Another eye opening article by Amelia Gentleman of the Guardian 22/05/12
GPs call for work capability assessment to be scrapped
Doctors say method of determining who is eligible for sickness benefits should be replaced with more ‘rigorous and safe system’
GPs have voted unanimously in favour of scrapping the controversial work capability assessment, the test that determines who is eligible for sickness benefits, to prevent harming “some of the weakest and most vulnerable in society”.
At the annual GPs’ conference, doctors backed a motion stating that the computer-based assessments were “inadequate” and “have little regard to the nature or complexity of the needs of long-term sick and disabled persons”. They called for the tests to be replaced with a more “rigorous and safe system”.
The vote reflects rising concern within the medical profession over the government’s use of the work capability assessment (WCA) to reassess the recipients of the outgoing incapacity benefit to determine whether they should receive the replacement benefit, employment and support allowance (ESA).
Since the test was introduced in 2008, hundreds of thousands of people have gone to tribunal to appeal against decisions to refuse them the benefit; around 40% of appeals are successful. Large numbers of patients with terminal and incurable conditions have been found fit for work after undergoing a 30-minute assessment, carried out by a private company, Atos Healthcare.
Andrew Holden, a GP from Petersfield in Hampshire, said the system was not able to distinguish between patients who really needed help and those who did not.
“Since the system was introduced in 2008, people with terminal cancer have been found fit to work, people with mental health problems have complained their condition is not taken seriously and people with complex illnesses say that the tick-box system is not able to cope with the nuances of their problems,” he told the conference, proposing the motion.
“The computer-based assessments are carried out by a healthcare professional but one not necessarily trained in the field of the patient’s disability, which is particularly important when it comes to mental health issues.”
Laurence Buckman, chair of the BMA’s GPs’ committee, said: “When 40% of appeals against the assessments are successful at tribunal hearings, something is clearly very wrong with the system. Being in work is good for people’s overall health and wellbeing, but GPs are seeing too many patients who genuinely need to be on incapacity benefit coming in very concerned and confused by the system.
“The government needs to look again at the whole assessment process and replace it with one that is fit for purpose.”
Dean Marshall, chair of the Scottish general practitioners’ committee, which has already passed a similar motion, welcomed the vote. “These assessments can have a devastating effect on our patients’ mental and physical health. There has been a dramatic increase in the numbers being assessed as fit to work and a massive number of appeals have been made against these decisions. The frequency of successful appeals seems to us to demonstrate the mechanism’s shortcomings,” he said.
“Our patients are very concerned and confused about these assessments. Many are in fear of how they will cope with the removal of, or cuts to, their benefits. Evidence appears to suggest that people with serious health conditions are sometimes being declared fit for work.”
Labour MP Tom Greatrex, who has raised a number of concerns about the WCA, said: “The government should not dismiss the strength of feeling being expressed by the medical profession in this motion – the very people the DWP are reliant on to carry out the assessment.
“As the motion reflects, assessing whether people are able to work is right in principle, but in so many respects the practice has been appalling. Thousands of people have suffered because of the decisions Atos get wrong time and again, costing the public purse millions.”
A spokesperson for the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) said improvements were being made to the system. “We’re absolutely committed to the reassessment of people on incapacity benefit and helping those who are fit to move back into work. Under the old system too many lives were written off.
“The work capability assessment introduced in 2008 was not fit for purpose, which is why we are implementing all the recommendations made by our independent reviewer to make this a better and fairer process. We want to keep improving the WCA,” the department wrote in an emailed statement.
The vote means that calling for the WCA to be scrapped is now the policy of the BMA GPs’ committee, which represents 44,000 family doctors across the UK, and the committee will attempt to make its views clear to the DWP.
Link http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/may/23/gps-work-capability-assessment-scrapped
Gosh it is good to know that the BMA committee feel the need to get involved. Hopefully we will eventually see a fairer system in place. Please can we see dates on more articles and comments such as the one above. Thanks
Comment by Casimira — May 24, 2012 @ 6:31 am
Sorry just noticed the date!!!
Comment by Casimira — May 24, 2012 @ 7:44 am
At least the GPs are seeing what a nonsense these so called assessments are, all people are asking for is to be assessed fairly and for medical reasons not for private company profit – Ideological reasons.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/may/23/gps-work-capability-assessment-scrapped
Comment by dwpexamination — May 24, 2012 @ 8:39 am
Yes thank goodness. One day ATOS will be a thing of the past and ATOS employees can have a taste of their own medicine by having to then sign on jobseekers!!!HAHA!!! when they lose their jobs when hopefully this highly uncompassionate, money making organization who does not care how destructive they are being by their totally inept, unfair and higly discriminating examinations process. How can a nurse who has just met a patient have the cheek to assess someone over the patients doctor who is more qualified and who has probably known their patients often for many years. It is absolutely absurd Alos does ATOS and the DWP not realise that they are quickly contributing to eroding a welfare system which would have helped their children and grandchildren in times of ill health!!!?
Comment by Casimira — May 24, 2012 @ 11:44 am
Its OK I put it there in answer to your request.
Comment by dwpexamination — May 25, 2012 @ 5:57 am
Actually it is not just the fact of going on job seekers allowance but also the stress of being made to look for a job when you know perfectly well that because of ill health you can not work and then the loss of self dignity and self pride when and if you manage to actually get a job and can not cope in the job and of course the embarrassment of not functioning properly in the job and having to face an employer who will simply end up getting rid of you and all this you knew would happen in the first place.!!!!
Comment by Casimira — May 25, 2012 @ 9:33 am
do you think we will have a benefit system thats fit for purpose not yet as this lot does not do compassion , we still need the gmc word on this matter are they still with the dwp on this or going with the bmc not fit for purpose.all mps where new about this when it started way back with unum and then atos so they not complacesent in any of it but show whot they can do now and put right whot tony and camaroon have done to the sick and disabled of this once proud land and make a future wher we can see ourself atleast with some dignity and benefits where we dont have to fight for them so that we get on with our illnesses and disabiltys in peace jeff3
Comment by jeffery davies — May 25, 2012 @ 9:56 am
hethe sooner these so called assessments are scrapped the better it will be for all concerned as gps have always been resposible for patients health and determinig their illness;not a bunch of hungry people who are making a mokery out of genuine cases who seem to think that if someone can make a cup of tea ,or no other dependants,then their capable of work.how ludicrous can all these silly games as compared with disability and mentsal health issues that none of them have a clue or dismiss them as irrelevant and liars ect. the sooner atos is removed there senseless scaremongering tatics are beyond anyones comprehension .we need far more communication and proper counselling services,the nhs. is going downhill -does it need to go any further before real action is taken..thank-you gps for expressing the need to renforce the work that you do in treating others illnesses.. and not allow these people to prevail over sickand vulnerable people…loretta vettraino..
Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2012 @ 7:48 pm
Can I ask for a Dr who is an expert in the field of my debilitating illness. I had a positive response to my DLA appeal, & the Judge made the recomandation indefinite. The Judge’s decision came the next day, But at the same time, exactly, came the letter informing me that I was to receive an assessment for WCA,& that I may have to attend a face to face exam. It seemed as if one hand gave, & another took it away.
My DLA representative had not mentioned many of my problems at the appeal. I was left to give all the answers, & they were accepted with no further delving. But of course, I also forgot things, but I was virtually alone. I wited a year for the appeal, & I do not know who works for who here. How do I get a companion for the next trial? Help!
Comment by Richard — June 8, 2012 @ 12:19 am
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Sorry I posted on the wrong forum.
The mentally ill will and are suffering so much under this governments new ‘regime’.
I have my medical on 26th June..Got the dreaded letter 2 days ago! I have to prepare myself and it’s proving difficult…
I cannot even attend the WRAG interviews, I have to do this by phone (didn’t the DWP note this on my last phone interview?) wtf..They are either thick or ignorant,or both.
I am biopolar and also suffer from agraphobia and panic attacks. I have suffered from this condition since the aged of 14years old…Well, this is when I remember my first outing to the psychiatric unit .Was prescribed Haliperidol..Mind blowing stuff :-0 I was a promising athelete but because of my condition and more to the point, off the pills,I could run the legs off Linford Chritie.
The pills turned me into a zombie…I coudn’t get my eyes down from my head at one stage….Just so glad medicine has advanced. My current shrink tells me that he would ‘never’ ‘supply’ ;-/ children with such a drug. Anyway…Going off on one there,just a bit………….
Last year I got the dreaded ATOS letter,but on the stroke of midnight they cancelled it! The DWP sent me a letter,informing me that I had been put into the WRAG group and would have to attend at least six ‘back to work’ interviews.
I have managed to go to just one of those and I say that they are a complete and utter total waste of tax-payers hard earned money! Makes me sooo mad that does.
I asked the interviewer ‘what job does she think I could do part time’ (as she suggested I work on my ‘efforts’ to get into work slowly) I nearly fell on the floor laughing when she suggested ‘dinner lady’ OMG..I had visions of myself running around the field with the year 6′s, forcing them into submission for the ball..This of course being my ‘manic’ day. I reckon the kids would see me as a rather strange OTT character..One of them really. Ok in the world in my head,but not so good in a ‘proffessional sense’ LOLS.
I did say to the interviwer that this would not be possible,as although I have no crim record,I would have to put down why I have had to refrain from work and that biopolar would not gain me any brownie points with the head. I guess she was just clutching at straws.
What a bloddy mishmash the whole of the DWP is!Not her fault,just working to put food on her table,but my God,how do they train these workers? They don’t I guess.
I have my WRAG phone interview next Wednesday,I might just sing all the way through it.
Strak raving bonkers the hole DWP,ATOS set up.
Thanks for reading my mad storyx
PS I spoke to my doctor (on the phone) today and said that I thought ATOS used any Dom Dick or Harry to perform the Assessment and that they were known to lie about you. She actually agreed and said that there should be something put in place of ATOS..One up there then!
Comment by Juliette — June 15, 2012 @ 4:34 am
Hello Juliette.
It’s all a scam, and the GPs all know it’s a scam, in fact just recently the GPs of Britain voted overwhelmingly to get rid of ATOS, but the Government as usual aren’t listening..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — June 15, 2012 @ 5:06 am
As I have said elsewhere on this site.
Its odd that the Government don’t allow GPs to do the medicals but will allow them to run The NHS!
Comment by Bruce — June 28, 2012 @ 4:51 pm
just received copy of my assesment by ATOS. Bearing in mind I can only walk with crutches following a serious spinal operation that has left me with rods in my back just to keep it straight, but have been left unable to bend/walk unaided/nerve damage/bowel & bladder incontinence. this “nurse” said I squatted down on the floor, bent right over(er..rods in back) she supposedly performed hip rotations(didn’t know nurses are qualified to do that!!even though she didn’t). asked if I do grocery shopping, I said know, online shopping done by my daughter, in her report I walk 200 metres to do shopping!!. many other lies in the report. I complained to DWP who told me to contact my MP who ignored me/wrote to ATOS who said don’t know why she wrote that. wrote to the right hon Mr Iain Duncan Smith who also ignored me. so appealed to DWP who promptly told me they are standing by ATOS. my daughter was a witness, but they don’t want to speak to her. Apart from going to the tabloids, what do I do??? this woman has made a false report, committed a crime as it is libel and lies, but she gets away with it. Why can’t we read through her report at the assessment once she has typed it up to say we accept it is factual. these people are playing with our lives. I get DLA and I could lose it now, even though I cannot dress/bathe/cook for myself.
Comment by sharon stephens — July 9, 2012 @ 12:31 am
Well Sharon, that’s why we are here, to try and help people and at the same time expose these scum, we have been highlighting the criminals at ATOS and the DWP for the last four years (They have been getting away with it for even longer than that) exposing them for the rats that they are, thousands and thousands of people are being assessed wrongly, and this is no accident, it’s a deliberate attempt to use any means possible to drive sick people in to their graves (By inducing serious stress) early to save them money and to improve their figures.
Google in Calums list or Peters list and you will learn about the suicides all over Britain that ATOS/DWP have managed to be directly and indirectly responsible for, the Government AND THEIR TOP LEVEL CIVIL SERVANTS know about this list and it frightens them, not because they have any kind of sympathy for the dead, but because they know that they are responsible and have been warned that they are going to have to take responsibility at any court cases brought against them in the future, saying they were just obeying orders is unacceptable and this has been pointed out to them that just like the Nazis at Nuremberg they cannot use that as a defense….THEY HAVE BEEN WARNED..!!
As I said they know about all this, but still the horror goes on, and still they are ignoring it, but not ignoring it completely because this criminal Government have instructed ATOS (Who are also information experts and in league with BT) and British telecom to block access to various websites who dare to speak out, sites like Black triangle and our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org they have also instructed the media to help them discredit us, people like Brendan O’Neill of the daily telegraph (Torygraph) a hypocrite of the first magnitude who spouts about freedom of speech for all but denounces Calums list as playing on the emotions of our great British public for political ends.
So don’t sit around everyone, help us to help you, and sign every petition you see, denounce these Brendan O’Neill’s by writing refutations to their newspapers, let them know we know all about them and how wrong they are, (write to your MPs), and don’t buy papers like the Sun, the Daily express, Daily Mail and the Telegraph.
Comment by dwpexamination — July 9, 2012 @ 6:12 am
thanks for your reply, but I have written to my MP – Jonathan Djangoly here in huntingdon to no effect. no reply what so ever. I have written to the mirror paper, and again, no reply. no one is interested. wouldn’t it be worth signing a petition again, an online petition and a paper one and deliver it in full view of the press and tv, and then perhaps something will be done. Does anyone know of one? I need real help now. I am going to write to the opposition (labour) and hope they will help but all parties seem concerened so much on the Banks, we will probably be ignored
Comment by Sharon Goodwin — July 10, 2012 @ 12:26 pm
just a thought- can’t we present signed letters of complaint to the police of fraud medical assessments made by ATOS. surely it is a criminal offence to lie, and to put their name to it too. It doesn’t take a genius to know that someone who walks with sticks or crutches cannot possibly squat on the floor.
Comment by Sharon Goodwin — July 10, 2012 @ 12:37 pm
Give him a choice, either he listens to what you say and take what you say on board and answers your e-mails personally or you will stand outside his constituency office every day with a placard denouncing him as a fraud.
Of course you have to mean it, if he thought you were serious you would get his attention quick enough because he wants a quite life, be doesn’t want troublemakers at his door and he doesn’t want everyone who happens to pass by his office to see your placard.
I can guarantee you, Djangoly is a coward, the mere thought of anyone exposing him for what he is will terrify him, do you know he laughs at asbestos victims, he wants to take away their right to legal aid to fight their case http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=jonathan%20djanogly%20laughing&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CE8QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mirror.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-news%2Ftory-minister-smirked-and-giggled-during-799060&ei=ojj8T5fQGoX28gPv1b2ZBw&usg=AFQjCNHgLCDGhi-QbFzH8jxlk089v5myIQ&cad=rja but the thought of any kind of close up personal confrontations is his weakness and you should exploit it, personally I wouldn’t get tired kicking that little rat like face of his.
Comment by dwpexamination — July 10, 2012 @ 2:17 pm
TRIBUNAL ,GOT THE DREADED TIME TODAY HAS ANYONE WON THEIR CASE OR ARE WE WWASTING OURTIME ECT.ONPUTTING OUR APPEALS FORWARD MY HOUSING OFFICER TO ACT AS REP.BUT DID NOT SEEM BOTHERED THAT I WAS UP TO HIGH DOH.IT SEEMS OR WOULD SEEM HARDER IF SUFFERING FROM MENTAL -HEALTH PROBLEMS-PHYSICAL ILLNESS ARENT ALWAYS VISIBLE -IN EFFECT WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY THAT THE STRESS ECT.AND TO BE TOLD AT THE END OF IT TO GET A JOB-ITS LIKE DEADLOCKCAN ANY ONE ADVISE OR GIVESOME POSITIVE SUPPORT/FEEDBACK MP LABOUR SAID WAIT UNTIL AFTER TRIBUNAL LORETTA.
Comment by Anonymous — July 12, 2012 @ 7:32 pm
Hello Anonymous.
Your housing officer acting as your rep ? why not the CAB or your local welfare rights ?
Ok I’m assuming you are appealing and waiting for the appeal hearing ? do you have any medical reports ? from your GP or hospital that can help support your appeal ?.
Comment by dwpexamination — July 12, 2012 @ 7:55 pm
hello dwp.no ,w.officer said from the beginning she would be my freinds rep.as of course she wants the rent paid and her colleagues had.heard on tape verbal abuseect.she has mental health issues and ,of course was told that she would help as shed been to tribunals before,in my freinds naivety she had no reason to doubt her,but the tribunals 3 weeks away and that does conern me as she doesn t know her like i do nor does she seem to understand the problems and added stress because of it…has anyone had bad experience after tribunal.loretta.
Comment by loretta vettraino — July 18, 2012 @ 8:35 pm
The tribunal mostly ask the appellant most of the questions anyway, there’s no point in asking questions of the representative about the appellants health since they want to know what the person who has the problems has to say.
So all questions will be directed at the appellant, if the rep is asked any I would be surprised.
Comment by dwpexamination — July 18, 2012 @ 8:48 pm
hello,whats the purpose of having a rep.especially when the appellent in this case cannot respond to questions asked due to total fear and inability to respond other than monosyllables.mental health issus are not always apparent,whereas physical can at least indicate the source of their problems even if their not beleived…..
Comment by loretta vettraino — July 20, 2012 @ 9:37 pm
Hello Loretta.
The main purpose of having a representative at the appeal hearing is to forward the panel in advance with a written submission first, the rep then speaks first and explains what descriptors you are contending, and then the panel ask the appellant questions on their health and functional ability.
If a person cannot speak for themselves because of the nature of their illness, then the panel will take this in to consideration, and may ask the rep some questions based on the written report from your GP or Consultant.
It’s best to have a representative present for other reasons, for instance the panel are less likely to ask illegal questions, mess you around or try to trick you in to saying something that could compromise your chances, because the representative is a witness and can challenge any adverse decisions to the upper tier on a point of law.
Best to have someone present with you at an appeal hearing, just in case.
Comment by dwpexamination — July 20, 2012 @ 10:10 pm
hello again,i thought that was the case;does the writtensubmissionneed to be in 2weeks before tribunal,and must it be from a gp. as the appellent visits surgery a lot due to health anxiety among other fears,any other information about her mental status,issuesect.her gp is uncooperative and doesnt seem to know about issues that she hasi.im preparing a written account of the apppellent.as i too had a lot of identical personality type which stopped me leading a normal life ,if that makes sense,so it becomes more problematic because of this.loretta
Comment by loretta vettraino — July 21, 2012 @ 11:28 am
You can submit anything that’s relevant to the appeal service, I once handed over a GPs report 15 minutes before I went in.
If you are going to represent her then it’s best if you can get some sort of report from the hospital or GP, yes I know some GPs are uncooperative, that’s because he/she can’t be bothered writing a medical report, or even a letter of support as a bare minimum.
I can’t tell you what to do in that situation, I can only tell you what I did, which was I wrote a letter of complaint to the surgery’s head GP and explained that my present GP was not taking my request for a medical report seriously and even refused to examine me for the purpose of a report, therefore was compromising my health even further with his intransigence and visiting him from now on is totally unacceptable.
I asked for an appointment with the head GP, and walked in sat down and handed him the letter on the spot, I had already planned, if he doesn’t do something about this and do it now…I will be asking for a release slip and just visit another surgery.
He read it, and agreed my treatment was unacceptable and offered to write the report instead, which was accepted, he also said he would have a word with the other GP about this.
From then on I didn’t get any more problems. Sometimes we need to take drastic action to get people to sit up and take us seriously. One word of warning, it’s all very well writing strong (polite) letters, that’s acceptable, but always always be polite face to face, being cheeky or rude is unacceptable (Not saying you will), therefore they can never use that as an excuse and throw you out the office on that basis, so they need to find another way, and since they are wrong and you are right, finding another way is often impossible and since the uncomfortable feeling they will experience will be excruciating, along with the thought that you might complain to the General medical council as well as leave the surgery to another one and possibly bad mouth them, they have to accede to your demands.
Anyway, you/she can leave the surgery as a last resort, there’s no law that says you need to stay in that particular surgery, and there’s no law that says you need to explain why you are leaving, the decision is yours, but I’m trying to point out that attending an appeal hearing without a written report or a letter of some kind of support or sympathy from your GP or consultant is not very helpful.
I’m sorry for the long winded explanation, but it’s absolutely imperative that you understand this.
Comment by dwpexamination — July 21, 2012 @ 1:06 pm
yes ,thanks for the information;i uderstand fully why it is important ,but its trying to get the appelant to realise she has the right to stand up to a gp.and to explain why its essential to get them to comment on her case history,i suspect the gp,who shed been seeing most of doesnt understand her fears and anieties about life in general-she cant affor proper counselling and so it goes.deep down i know shed rather hide /not attend,hoever imseeing her rep.on monday with a written letter -it seems that my freind would rather ask the reps opinion,than stand up to her gp.hope you can understand what im trying to say.its not an easy one and im quite annoyed at my freind for not trusting me enough….i dont know why i bother loretta
Comment by loretta vettraino — July 21, 2012 @ 8:28 pm
Yes I can see your problem, maybe you could just carry on and write all that in your submission to the panel, an explanation like that will help.
As for GPs, it’s been my experience that most of them couldn’t fit a nut on to a Halloween cake, and are in the job for the money, after all what do they do, write some scripts and sicklines, and the odd report when they can be bothered, £65,000 to £100,000 a year for that.
There’s another way to get a report without asking your GP, which is to contact your/her nearest legal services (In the phone book) and explain that she is going to face an appeal panel and since she is eligible for legal aid then could they contact the GP on her behalf ?.
If she is eligible for legal aid then they will write a letter to the GP and ask for a written report on her health, the GP sends the report to them and they send her a copy, the GP claims his fee from them and they claim it back of the legal aid board.
Give it a go, there’s nothing to lose. You could get a decent report out of it, if the report isn’t very supportive then there’s no law that says you need to show it to the appeal panel.
Comment by dwpexamination — July 21, 2012 @ 10:02 pm
yes,that does sound like a very good idea,i did phone a legal aid last week,but we didnt realise that they could contact the gp.your absolutely right they seem to do less and less,but want more money,even taken strike action recently,its only when faced with this type of beaurocracy,that you realise whose on the winning end..when i attended a psychiatrist ,2 years ago as she couldnt go into something like that alone.she was told by the gp. that she had a condition.shes had 2 break downs in the past 8 years. and counselling services a whole list of them,about2 were on sliding scale ,she doesnt even run her financial affaires-shes just over 40,ive had to deal with ,outbursts of uncontrolled rage ,verbal abuse,then calms down and apologises among other things and being veg,is limited what she eats…i can and do know her a lot better that shes aware of herself .her behaviour would be unacceptable in any type of work.but she can control it up until someone starts being nasty or making a fool out of her naivety.would the tribunal understand that -very much doubtit. as long as you can move about climb a few stairs thhen there deemed fit….thank you so much for yoyur support.its helped tremendously.loretta
Comment by loretta vettraino — July 22, 2012 @ 11:34 am
hello,thought id mention the fact that the appellants rep.wants me to write up something for the tribunal-i thought it was appropriate to say about the condition-she was said to have by psychiatrist -i was present-as it fits into a category that i know quite a lot about-having been told i had its a type of personality disorder-but all she wants me to talk about is how the appellent appears on daily basis..but the annoying thing is i dont just want to talk about ,hhow moody and irrational she is,its impotant to give an overall opinion of what i know.the doctor who did the assessment began by sticking her hand from behind the door and saying i am the doctor you can look at me -but i wont be looking at you,and proceeded to click away on the mouse whilst appearing to look at computer.also she said in the notes that the appellant made adequate eye contact and there was no indication that she was in an anxious state no rocking back and forthect.hope you get my drift…ive spent hours trying to limit the amount of information and sticking to relevantpoints.
Comment by loretta vettraino — July 23, 2012 @ 3:36 pm
Hello Loretta.
Didn’t know there was a rep, anyway the tribunal will not be interested in whether they had eye contact or who looked at who, what they want to know is does her health problems preclude her from working ? for instance if you or rep can convince the panel that she would be a danger either to herself or another person in a work environment then that’s possible good grounds for the exceptional circumstances rules, and there is 29(2)(b) and 35 (2)(b) and depending on how serious they believe her illness is then they could decide on the 29 (2)(b) WRAG or 35 (2)(b) the support group.
So in her daily living if she has frequent bouts of anger, banging on tables, issuing threats, always under the influence of psychosomatic drugs etc, can’t cook for herself, doesn’t bother washing and so on, these are just some of the indications that this is a person who in their own best interests as well as the interests of others shouldn’t be allowed loose in a work environment.
The panel will have to weigh all that up and make a decision, as I said in a previous post some written support from another Doctor or consultant would help convince them.
Comment by dwpexamination — July 23, 2012 @ 4:30 pm
thanks for clarifying the situation;no,the appellant hasnt got a psychosis;a personality disorder,so it seems pretty bleak that that would be sufficient to win,this disorder does prevent her from ,having a social life -doesnt drink,smoke or do ilegal drugs but she does flare up and have emotional outbursts and uses foul language,in saying that,underneath this bravado emotional immature ,has her parents and aged uncle,never been in a relationshipand myself.i think the psychiatrist should have explained what type of condition shes got.what a waste of time going to seehim in the first. place and the gp no better..socio phobia and a lot of hatred towards people.the rep.just wants me to say how she behaves on a daily basis;appellents mother also contributed.thanks-dont know what to put down,other thanmoodiness annd suspicious of otherrs.
Comment by loretta vettraino — July 23, 2012 @ 5:56 pm
I would urge anyone who is genuinely too ill to work and who has been found fit for work thanks to the unfair and often totally inaccurate assessments carried out by an atos doctor or nurse to write and make a complaint to the General Medical council or to the Nursing and Midwifery council and make a complaint against the doctor or nurse who examined them. I have now received paperwork from the Nursing and Midwifery council asking me to sign a consent form giving permission to confront the said nurse who will now have to give a statement to the NMC. If more of us take this action then this will put pressure on ATOS and and Doctors and nurses working for ATOS. This will eventually disempower them as I am sure no nurse of doctor wants to have complaints made against them from the GMC or NMC on their records
Comment by anonymous — July 25, 2012 @ 9:42 pm
how long did you have to wait for their response gmc. or nmc. as the tribunals next month and time is running ot. did you get,any decent back up from your gps.i would be very pleased to receive any tips ect.
Comment by loretta vettraino — July 26, 2012 @ 5:12 pm
I can only tell you that I got a written honest report from my GP, not the best report in the world (I didn’t ask him for any favours) but good enough to help me win at the last tribunal, it cost the taxpayer £150, and he did one the year before so I presume that cost the taxpayer the same, so if it was really all about saving money then how come these GPs are getting all this money in extra fees for written reports that should be part of their job description anyway.
It’s all a scam, they are taking the money from the poor and giving it to their rich friends, it’s criminal..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — July 26, 2012 @ 5:28 pm
Hi Loretta, I wrote to my MP first of all (conservative) but he did respond within 2 minutes of my email and despite his government causing all this we corresponded about 10 times and he gave me lots of advice ie get a specialist report, which initially my Gp was not keen to do as I had had some much help in the past but when I showed her the letter from my MP she responded straight away and now I am off to see what the specialist will say and I will send that report to the tribunal. I am in the initial stages of instigating my complaint against the said nurse with the nmc as I wrote to the GMC and also complianed about the doctor who looked at the report the nurse had done but they all stick together so no joy there as the gmc said that he only kept my records but I then wrote back and said actually he did more than that he looked at my assessment again but I wanted to make the GMC more aware of what is happening so even if there is no immediate outcome at least they know what we are going through. I expect the said nurse will give her side of the story and that will be the end of the matter but I certainly do not think that my writing to both the GMC and the NMC was in vain. We all need to persevere and change can take time so we must not lose faith though obviously in the mean time it is extremely stressful and worrying for many who are ill wondering where the next penny will come from. My Mp also said that if my condition worsened which obviously it has with all this stress then I could start a new claim at any time for ESA, though of course we all know ATOS is always around the corner ready to reexamine us within months of a new claim ugh!
Comment by anonymous — July 26, 2012 @ 8:06 pm
hallo anonymous,yes i beleive in fighting for what is our right,your mp. seemed very obliging;i dont know the nature of your illness,but i am aiding someone whose problem is mainly mental health,and because she has not tried to get support for the ongoing tribunalvia the gp.for fear of reprisals,her mental stats was said to be a condition by a psychiatrist 2 years ago,i was present.he was late and gave a lame excuse for that.of course shes had in the past some form of counselling by psychologist and cprn.-but nothing else was explained by gp.i have insight into her alleged condition,but thats it her rep.is the housing welfare officer,who has tapes of her etreme temper outbursts and have been awaing my account asi see her on a daily basis.i dont think she will pass/win as she clams up when confronted by this type of set up or even wth strangers……and the mp wants to know what he can do after the tribunal.my freinds always stressed and this is going to push her over the top..i cant see atos being there for much longer as they have had such an outrageous effect on everyone -bar the goverment.they should be held responsible for peoples despair at the hands of a firm that are treating others like robots-their crowd are the robots by using computer-based assignments.keep strong.loretta.
Comment by loretta vettraino — July 27, 2012 @ 12:05 pm
I Loretta, I too suffer from severe anxiety, stress panic attacks etc so it has been very hard as I am on my own fighting this but do have welfare rights supporting me but I have had to write all my letters on my own and fight my own battles but luckily I have friends and family in the background and am very resourceful. If I am found fit for work I have decided that I will turn up to the job centre and show them that I am applying for jobs but will show them a letter that I will include when looking for work and the letter will be something like this. Dear Sir/ Madam, I feel I ought to inform you that I suffer from severe mental health issues and feel that after an hour or two in a job I start to feel like I will crash out mentally, loose control, go all dizzy etc and suffer severe panic attacks and back pain, stabbing pains in my feet etc but if you would like to give me a job and allow me to rest regularily through out the day then feel free to offer me a job!!! so if the benefit office ask me if I am looking for work I will say yes and show them the letter I feel I have to send to future employers and I will say I do not want to mislead employers etc but no doubt this girl you are looking after does not have the ability to do that but it has taken me about 4 months to now calm down because I felt so overwhelmed and anxious for the first three months and extremely angry and distressed but now I will play them at their own game but hopefully I will win my trbunal as I think that they are not against us in quite the same way ATOS is it is in ATOS’s interest to get us back to work but if any nurse of doctor had any dignity or genuine care for their patients they would not be doing that job.
Comment by anonymous — July 27, 2012 @ 5:17 pm
Hi again Loretta why is this girl/ woman afraid to go to her GP for fear of reprisals, the GP is there to help her so she absolutely should go and if she does not get the help she needs from her GP please contact MIND who will give you advice about an organisation called Pals which is an organisation which is a local primary care organisation which will mediate with her GP if her GP does not give her the right sort of help. You can contact PALs on this number 0800 05260088 or you could contact MIND first and they may also suggest you speak to an Advocate. I hope that helps
Comment by anonymous — July 27, 2012 @ 5:32 pm
hello, thanks for describing your menal health problems,,;mind is a mental health society for england,but ill try that number for pals,thanks.yes,its not good that your would be employer ,wouldnt entertain your type of problem or someone with severe physical problemsi.the whole matter is that atos gets as many back to work as possible and they are the oneswho profit not the patient/client.regardless of there disability.im acting on behalf of my freind ,shes emotionally immature part of her make-up early 40slooks and acts 20 years younger.her mothers put her out of the house according to the mother -shes a drama queen.but she doesnt realise that shes not acting -she does have severe anxiety(and is so afraid of the world)and how the past 10 years has been some of the most terrifying of her life and she latched onto me as a neighbour i could see how she coud scream and shout at the injustice of how some of the neighbours were ,but theres 96 flats here and i could identify in some respects her plight,though its been absolut hell to begin with-4 years on its not quite so bad-she trusts me now..and shes pleased to have me as a friend though ive often wondered -but im going off the beaten track2 gps have said they cant help her and shes afraid ti-o take it further.the cab.were choc o block and so our housing officer is officiall her representative…..it is extremely stressful ,but as you said the tribunals remain impartial and hopefully not there to trick you.i do have a lot of insight as both myself and sister have had personality disorder ,its more of a handicap in life…..i know its more difficult to express mental health issues,but mabe if they provided cheaper counselling services and no waiting lists there would be a healthier environment to work in eg.employers should have those type of backup support in the workplace.thanks again.
Comment by loretta vettraino — July 27, 2012 @ 8:12 pm
You are welcome and you sound like a very caring patient person to be so involved with your neighbour because it can not be easy for you either
Comment by anonymous — July 27, 2012 @ 10:40 pm
hi,just a few words of what the hell im i doing trying to wrack my brains for someone else,who has prior to her atos assessment hasnt really been a freind,i feel im just a convenience .,a soundboard for her to go off on one and today-i went off on my own to be greeted by her wondering why i was down-well i just feel like screaming her lack of real feeling and patronising attitude is beyond me-im sick of being responsible .and caring i just wish she can understand that im up in years(past retiring age )and i can do without her making me feel worse—–and shes hinted that the rep.is going to say shes bipolar-a ploy worked out by her mother and someone who barely knows her.i feel like packing my bags and retreating to some sunny island.ive dedicated the best part of 4 years for her to come out with my sisters in dundee upset me-it doesnt occur to her that im at my wits end-and ill end up regretting my actions,such sometimes is the provocation.my oldest sister would say i told you so….sorry but i truly feel misunderstood and feel such a fool.theres no doubt she s a pathetic soul but i will never be able to change that-she hasnt got a life and im sure she would be n-more than envious when i do.
Comment by loretta vettraino — July 28, 2012 @ 7:51 pm
hello again,sory i went over the top,its just that we need back up support to win this case,and as you are aware every bit of evidence viagps,pschiatrist or in the medical feild,,to expose and counteract atos lies and insensitivity to others in this position.its totally unfair that genuine cases have to prove their that they are ,and its aggravating to know that gps want payment for there efforts.and that the representative in this case hasnt collaborated with me regarding the appellants everyday activity/or lack of it.i just feel out on a limb.but will contact.pals.thanks
Comment by loretta vettraino — July 29, 2012 @ 12:54 pm
good luck. I am sure things will sort themselves out eventually but it is a big fight and exhausting and mentally draining which is not right I know, I too am going through it all so i know what a fight it is
Comment by anonymous — July 29, 2012 @ 5:06 pm
Oh my God did you see Dispatches and Panorama, what a joke!! What planet is Chris Grayling on!!!A wolf in sheeps clothing, that is what he is. I can not believe he honestly thinks that those people being filmed were fit for work!!!
Comment by casimira — July 30, 2012 @ 8:34 pm
hello,just watched 2 seperate programmes on tv.panorama.both about atos assessments;i a few of the atos workers pointed out how difficult it was for the i-person,and its virtually seems impossible to win,the other pointed out how individuals had passed at the tribunal,but had to start again has anyone got any constructive criticicsm ,on any thing.it seems virtuall impossibe,i hope someone can chage my mind .it s absolutely shokingdwp,doesnt seem to care,will watch it again tomorrow on computer.cant beleive
Comment by loretta vettraino — July 30, 2012 @ 8:38 pm
My God it is heart breaking to see such sick people being put under such stress. What a sad country we are now living in. It is absolutely heartbreaking. How can we be proud of this country now. It made me sick to see the NHS being promoted and raised to such heights, something for us to be proud of at the Olympics when in actual fact bit by bit it is being stripped away and I wonder if in 10 years time it will even exist
Comment by casimira — July 30, 2012 @ 9:25 pm
The NHS will be finished in under three years, just in time for the next election, which these crackpots think they are going to win, yes that’s how delusional they are, they actually believe they are going to win power again.
GOD SAVE US.
Comment by dwpexamination — July 30, 2012 @ 10:11 pm
yes i totally agree,we were the one britain that is in the 1950s,but alas as they say in the song times are a changing-and certaily not for the better.the nhs cannot ever be the same unless they are given sufficient funds by the so called goverment-but today goverments are blaming previous gov.for something beyond our control.,its so sad that instead of blaming they start to put things right without the aid of foreign companies-how they must depise this goverment for stooping to such underhanded tactrics,and how can atos themselves feel about using such a despicable tatics-or are the majority just happy to get their payments out of such underhanded methods.
Comment by loretta vettraino — July 30, 2012 @ 10:27 pm
whats wrong with people if we have a forum,which i thought we had and there was 2 programmes on seperate channels-with very little response-well,i can tell you im mat the torys,im mad at the housing officer whom i sent a letter today regarding the appellants behhaviour and outlining my knowledge of her,with her responding with one sentence of my letter.plus the intro .statement for the tribunal-is she having a laugh,ive tried to outline hermental health problems-anyway id appreciate some feedback ,after watching 1 of the programmes panoramabbc2.i cant see any way out of this mess……..im truly frustrated.
Comment by loretta vettraino — July 31, 2012 @ 6:49 pm
One day in the future hopefully this period of time will be written in history books how sick people in English society were being bullied ,abused and dicriminated by the government, and by the media, how there was a firm called ATOS who used unscrupulous methods of assessing people to get people back into work which were deemed inhumane, how perhaps riots or strong campaigns started to emerge in Great Britain to fight back against these unfair tactics in the same way that black people have had to fight for their rights. David Cameron talks of tough love but this is not tough love this is cruelty and that is how he will be seen one day
Comment by casimira — August 1, 2012 @ 7:20 am
hello,2 weeks tomorrow andmy freind will be at the dreaded tribunal.i feel very sorry for her especially since i wrote a letter of evidence regarding her mental state to the would be representative ie herwefare housing officer,whom she seen twice,and after submitting a lengthy email,all she took was the first sentence ie how long id known my freind since coming to live alongside nme.and i described her mood swings.i feel as if id wasted time in preparing the letter,but also that what i stated was irrelevant!im still trying to feel les miffed and angry,we spoke over the phone.but if some one could comment.as its not the rep. who stands to lose its my freinds sanityas well as mineshould it fail .which seems more than likely as my freind will answer in monosyllables and no one wiil be any the wiser and she willl be mortified.
Comment by loretta vettraino — August 2, 2012 @ 3:04 pm
please come over to dwpexamination.org where we are on line and will meet new friiends who will help you through it so help yourself http://www.dwpexamination.org jeff3
Comment by jeffrey davies (@jeffrey33333) — August 17, 2012 @ 12:05 pm
hello jeffrey,thanks for the invitation ,and thanks to the anonymous dwp and others forv their help.my freinds tribunal would have been today at 3pm.but thankfully we learnt that she had won the tribunal.it was a week ago that we gave a huge sigh of releif.i would love to have joined you onnline,but this laptop is letting me down.but,im still keen to see where the goverments plans are going in the near future as i feel that atos has been an absolute disaster for everyone who had the misfortune to be at the hands of people who deserve better treatment under there regime ,as well as the goverments lack of concern
Comment by loretta vettraino — August 17, 2012 @ 1:33 pm
Hi DWP, I have my tribunal next Friday but I forgot to ask my welfare rights caseworker if she would be actually coming with me. I will ring her on Monday but is it normal for them to attend the tribunals?
Comment by Casimira — August 17, 2012 @ 7:34 pm
Sorry I meant dwpexamination, God forbid you should be the DWP, more like the Gastapos!!!!! or should I reserve that for ATOS!! Ha Ha!!!!
Comment by anonymous — August 17, 2012 @ 7:37 pm
hi, i think they should have stated whether they would be present or not,but phoning them would put that right;also as long as you have sufficient evidence to back up your case,as it will be you who they question.i wish you all the very best …
Comment by loretta vettraino — August 17, 2012 @ 8:24 pm
Thank you Loretta, certainly will phone her
Comment by anonymous — August 17, 2012 @ 8:34 pm
Hello Casimira.
Yes they usually do represent you at the appeal, but as loretta says best to phone and check just in case..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — August 17, 2012 @ 9:29 pm
Thank you
Comment by anonymous — August 17, 2012 @ 9:33 pm
Hi DWpexaminations, Thank you so much for your website. It has been a real support over the last few months for me. I can happily say that I won my tribunal on Friday and have been put in the wrag group which is such a relief but I am going to write to my MP again and thank him for all his help as he was there for me but I am going to say how sad I was to see such ill people at the tribunal, one woman sobbed and sobbed and sobbed and I was so glad they put her in the support group. I shall politely say to him surely there must be a more humane way of testing people like her who had half her colon missing due to cancer and a degenerative illness at a time when she need comfort and support instead she was confronted by an atos doctor who treated her with total contempt and wrongly assessed her fit for work, not only did it affect her but it also seriously affected her child.
Comment by Casimira — August 27, 2012 @ 7:49 pm
hello casimira,im so happy that you won your tribunal.yes,it is a great pity ad shame that such genuinely ill people be put trough such a gruelling ,lengthy ordeal!but dont worry i did listen to a debate dated 14th june regarding atos and there ways of dealing with mental health ,that was this afternoon and i was hoping you would get back to this forum.and you did.the mps involved were understanding and basically against atos treatment of others,by saying there wasting our money by there ways of assessing people who are ill and dont make allowances it seems for any type of illness,or disability.so thanks again for that good information and sincerely hope that your mp. as well as others present will eventually campaign the end of their regime.. best wishes loretta
Comment by loretta vettraino — August 27, 2012 @ 8:20 pm
Thanks Loretta, that is very sweet of you. Of course these appeals only make our condition worse so it will take a few months to try and recover from the ordeal. Ridiculous isn’t it!!! I will not stop campaigning
Comment by Casimira — August 28, 2012 @ 6:28 am
hi im quite worried that my freind who won her appeal and i beleive is under the category of esa and was told that she would not need to worry about finding work ect for at least 17 months.has anybody having to wait for their moneyie new benefit its not quite a month yet.but housing association havent contacted her,and ive just been listening to others who have waited and the its time for them to be rasssessed.this is shocking ,im afraid totell my freind om findings -she will no doubt explode then delve into the pits of despair.please help.
Comment by loretta vettraino — September 6, 2012 @ 6:57 pm
I am awaiting confirmation that I have to go to an ATOS assessment. I am 63 years and 5 months old and have been off work for 15 years with a fairly severe case of CFS. I have 19 months until I retire. If I am judged fit for work, who in their right mind is going to employ me?
Comment by Brian Russell — September 24, 2012 @ 1:18 am
No one Brian, they are all in their right minds..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — September 24, 2012 @ 8:40 am
my sister got taken off esa in jan this year told she was fit for work after 9 operations on feet and knees. jobcentre told her to find a job in a care, home factory or animal refuge. Had a total knee replacement in october and got esa50 when she was in hospital. now going back to ATOS 5 weeks after operation. Response from ATOS was it comes from our resourse department. Sister now on anti depressants and has an infection in wound. My question is ‘why can’t people be left in peace to make a quick recovery from maior surgery ???
Comment by michael dixon — December 1, 2012 @ 7:37 pm
Michael.
The answer to your question ? god only knows.
Comment by dwpexamination — December 2, 2012 @ 1:36 am
Thank you dwpexamination
you have put my sisters mind at rest knowing she is not the only one being tortured by this stupid system which is costing the tax payer millions and putting a French IT company in a nice comfortable financial situation !!! I
Comment by michael dixon — December 2, 2012 @ 2:26 pm
In February 2010 I was sent the leaflet ESA AL1C 10/09 with my appointment letter for a medical examination/ WCA, when I attended the assessment I was informed by the doctor that this leaflet was out of date but I was sent exactly the same leaflet again in June 2010 with a second appointment. I see an updated version of this leaflet was printed in June 2012, can anyone tell me if there was an updated version printed between 10/09 and 06/12? I would be really interested to know as I no longer claim any benefits and therefore do not have any contact with the benefit centre any more.
Comment by Kate — December 27, 2012 @ 6:21 pm
Hi Kate.
I’m sure you could find the answer on our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org
just think up a username and log in and ask on the general discussion page.
Comment by dwpexamination — December 27, 2012 @ 9:07 pm
I think disability activists should try push for an investigation into manslaughter regarding deaths where a person is found ‘fit to work’ by the WCA.
I wrote to Rethink Mental Illness to ask if they would consider contacting the police on behalf of disabled people to request that an investigation be launched into possible crimes being committed. My email to them is below. There is also another site talking about possible Gross Negligence Manslaughter (link below). I also include a petition that calls for an investigation into manslaughter if anyone can please sign it, and the WOW petition link, which also calls for an investigation into the deaths. I hope one day someone is held responsible for all these terrible unnecessary deaths, and the possible hundreds or thousands still to come.
(my email to Rethink Mental Illness)
Please would your charity consider making a formal request to the police to open an investigation into serious criminal offences being possibly carried out against vulnerable disabled people. There is much evidence of this and I believe much more would come out if an investigation is initiated.
I believe that anyone can report a crime to the police even if they are not the victim, and your charity has special involvement in this area, such as commissioning the survey of GPs last year which I believe is a vital piece of evidence of these potential crimes.
There are good grounds for the police to launch a criminal investigation into possible harassment and manslaughter, which is ongoing still, and has been for possibly several years. I also believe that the police have an obligation to at least start an investigation, given the serious nature of the crimes.
The two criminal offences that I believe need to be urgently investigated are:
1) Ongoing and previous harassment of vulnerable people who have undergone or will soon undergo the WCA Fitness For Work assessment. I use the legal definition of harassment from the Protection from Harassment Act 1997: ‘to pursue a course of action which amounts to harassment of another individual’ (harassment is defined by the Act as ‘behaviour which causes alarm or distress’ . The Rethink Mental Illness GP survey shows possible evidence of this widespread distress and I believe more evidence can be obtained by many charities, such as CAB, who deal with a number of cases every day in helping prepare appeals.
2) Gross negligent manslaughter. Again, both ongoing and previous. The government have had evidence of the potential suicides that will occur as a result of the WCA, and while they have brought in many measures, they do not seem to be making enough impact and they should have halted tests until they were safe. Last year the three pieces of evidence below, which include evidence from the British Medical Association, plus a call to scrap the test by many MPs and the government’s own Committee of Public Accounts this year have still not made the government stop the tests. In fact they have done the opposite and made the test harder to pass, introducing changes to it in January 2013. I therefore believe that this reckless endangering of lives, past and present, and the neglecting of all this evidence of the serious harm that is occurring, could constitute gross negligent manslaughter.
The three sources of information that could be used immediately for initiating an investigation can be found online and are:
a) The Freedom of Information request of 2012 showing that 1,100 people died between January and August 2011, after the controversial WCA test found them ‘fit for work’. When this piece of information is added to the Rethink Mental Illness GP survey, which shows that the test is causing great distress, suicide attempts, even suicides, then there is grounds to investigate, in the public interest, whether any of these 1,100 people were also subject to this level of distress, and how may died or committed suicide as a result.
b) The Rethink survey of GPs, as mentioned in my last point, shows that the WCA has been a contributing factor in the distress and even the death of many people.
c) The British Medical Association’s call for the WCA test to be scrapped last year. This level of medical advice, along with the advice of an ever growing number of charities and individuals warning of the serious harm that is being caused, should not be ignored. As stated above the government has responded by making the test harder to pass as of January 2013, creating, I believe, more potential suicide victims.
I would be very grateful if Rethink will consider requesting that the police start an investigation into these potential crimes. The request would probably need to be made centrally, to the Metropolitan Police, due to the nationwide scale of the matter.
http://bethyngalw.tumblr.com/post/40832997316/my-country-is-murdering-its-most-vulnerable
bethyngalw:
of Gross Negligence Manslaughter is as follows;
…where the death is a result of a grossly negligent (though otherwise lawful) act or omission on the part of the defendant. The law in respect of this has been clarified to a four stage test (the Adomako Test) outlined by the House of Lords:
a) the existence of a duty of care to the deceased;
b) a breach of that duty of care which;
c) causes (or significantly contributes) to the death of the victim; and
d) the breach should be characterised as gross negligence, and therefore a crime.
Petition
To Investigate the DWP and connected MPs for corporate manslaughter. In relation to the WCA & Atos Healthcare
Responsible department: Department for Work and Pensions
To Investigate the DWP and connected MPs for corporate manslaughter.
We have seen deaths rise of people on sickness benefit from 310 in 2010. To 10,600 in 9 months of 2011.
In relation to the WCA & Atos Healthcare.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/41070
wow petition
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/43154
Comment by TR — March 24, 2013 @ 3:19 am
Hello TR.
Good letter TR, I’m sure there have been many similar letters over the last few years to various charities and stakeholder organisations and so far nothing has been done, members on our sister site have been particularly proactive over the last couple of years http://www.dwpexamination.org
Calums list emanated from there.
Comment by dwpexamination — March 24, 2013 @ 6:58 am
Infind it a source of constant amazement that politicians use terms like ‘difficult’ or ‘painful’ desisions when referring to life shattering changes in approach. Ones that ignore profession, analytical, and observed experience. When in truth they mean “It has caused us political discomfort, but we shall bravely soldier on through the pain barrier.”
Totally oblivious to the pain, humiliation, and real world suffering they cause. Which is so disproportionate as to be beyond their ability to fully comprehend.
Comment by Thorn da Costa — March 25, 2013 @ 11:47 am
The idea of causing more distress, pain and misery in order to help someone is illogical and unhelpful. It does not help anyone nor Government. It uses more money than it could possibly save.
Comment by Anonymous — March 25, 2013 @ 11:01 pm
It helps ATOS though and A4E and other dreadful corporate companies and it doesn’t cause them distress pain and misery, helping their rich friends, that’s what the Tories are all about.
Comment by dwpexamination — March 26, 2013 @ 7:32 am
Please sign and share
Atos to be removed from the DWP medical assessments
for NURSES not to be used in assessments
For ATOS to be investigated by an independent body for negligence and corruption
For ATOS to pay compensation to all those who have been physically and mentally affected by them if found they are at fault
If it is found ATOS they have been negligent in their duties we also ask that a independent investigation is carried out within the governments DWP office and of the MP who is responsible for overseeing this part of state as they will have failed to notice this injustice after 2 years in office.
For the DWP to be investigated for discrimination, neglect, misconduct not only with ESA but with JSA
sanctions , denials & appeals need to be looked into
for the DWP to provide detailed information on their statement “this is what the government says u need to live on” how is it broken down and how did the government come to this figure?
https://www.facebook.com/EPetitionToRemoveAtosFromDwpAssessments?fref=ts
Comment by Anonymous — March 28, 2013 @ 10:00 am
Please sign and share
Atos to be removed from the DWP medical assessments
for NURSES not to be used in assessments
For ATOS to be investigated by an independent body for negligence and corruption
For ATOS to pay compensation to all those who have been physically and mentally affected by them if found they are at fault
If it is found ATOS they have been negligent in their duties we also ask that a independent investigation is carried out within the governments DWP office and of the MP who is responsible for overseeing this part of state as they will have failed to notice this injustice after 2 years in office.
For the DWP to be investigated for discrimination, neglect, misconduct not only with ESA but with JSA
sanctions , denials & appeals need to be looked into
for the DWP to provide detailed information on their statement “this is what the government says u need to live on” how is it broken down and how did the government come to this figure?
https://www.facebook.com/EPetitionToRemoveAtosFromDwpAssessments?fref=ts
Comment by richard farrar — March 28, 2013 @ 10:01 am
I have just received my work assessment forms from ATOS.. I have been fighting cancer for the last 3yrs and have my next round of tests in 3wks with a follow-up appointment with my specialist 2 weeks after that which will determine if I need any further treatment…BUT there is no provision on the forms for me to tell ATOS any of that…which of course means I will be immediately assessed as fit for work when in actual fact I will not know if I am for another month!!! And I know of people with severe mental health conditions which are largely ignored by ATOS. One was told to go back to work – he used to drive large construction vehicles…but would you feel safe on a construction site with someone who could flip out at any time driving those huge machines around??? The whole system stinks!!!!
Comment by Bev Castle-Barnes — March 28, 2013 @ 10:06 am
As David Cameron seems to want THE SHIRT OFF OUR BACKS why don’t we oblige him on FRIDAY 31ST MAY.
All you need is a shirt freshly off your back
the cost of postage
a envelope
a pen
then write on the shirt
AS YOU SEEM TO WANT THE SHIRTS OFF OUR BACK HERE IT IS…
(WRITE A PERSONAL MESSAGE) keep it non threatening, non offensive, non abusive… just tell him what you think
then please add these to the bottom in big (but only the ones you agree with)
NO TO BEDROOM TAX
NO TO ATOS
NO TO PIP
NO TO PAYING FOR NHS MEALS
NO TO TARGETING THE DISABLED
NO…. (FEEL FREE TO ADD YOUR OWN)
Then anytime on FRIDAY 31ST MAY 2013 but before 4pm go to your local post office and send THE SHIRT OFF YOUR BACK TO:
David Cameron
10 Downing Street
London
SW1A 2AA
Write Post
Add Photo
event group on facebook please join and share:
http://www.facebook.com/events/285238571607625/?notif_t=plan_user_invited
Comment by richard farrar — March 28, 2013 @ 10:41 am
Just signed and clicked my e-mail, will post http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/47615 on links page on our sister site. http://www.dwpexamination.org
Comment by dwpexamination — March 28, 2013 @ 11:00 am
Hello Bev.
You could write explaining all your appointment and hospital dates on a separate piece of A4 paper and attache it to the ESA50.
Make sure it’s attached though, because they will say they never received it if you don’t.
Comment by dwpexamination — March 28, 2013 @ 11:05 am
The problem is, that whilst GP’s are realising how inadequate this is, my GP informed me that she has done them. So GP’s are [ rightly so] against the very thing what they are actively being asked to do. Julie
Comment by Julie BS — April 30, 2013 @ 6:26 pm