Dwp examination

An account of my DWP medical

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I have recently fallen under the scrutiny of the DWP and fully expect my benefits to be stopped at any moment. So to set the ball rolling, here is my story.


My story began when I found out by accident that I may be entitled to something called Incapacity Benefit (I.B.) A friend of mine who works part time for the CAB drew my attention to this fact and advised me to contact my local Jobcentre. I did, completed the necessary paperwork over the telephone, waited best part of 2 weeks for the hard copy to arrive, then promptly signed and returned it by hand (they have an awful habit of going astray in the post) to my local Jobcentre. Within 6 weeks I had received my first payment and to my surprise was able backdate my claim by 3 months.


Within 2 weeks of this I was then asked to attend a “Pathways to work interview” where I would be advised of any other benefits I could claim, training I could access and would be offered guidance and assistance in searching for work.


My first interview was a very uncomfortable one hour long during which I was clearly nothing but a number/statistic to the person who was allegedly my advisor. My advisors sole aim was to have me off his/her books, and the sooner the better. No matter what I said I was contradicted, even when I suggested I may be able to return to full time work sooner than he/she thought? I realised within five minutes I wasn’t going to win so I stopped trying and reduced my replies to monosyllable answers wherever I could. This was where I found out I may be required to attend a medical examination, it was expertly slipped into the conversation and was followed up with a reassuring “but I’ve never heard of any of my clients losing their benefits”. Is this just unprofessional or did my advisor feel the need to say this to avoid any awkward questions the subject of a medical, or loss of benefits might raise in the clients mind?


Sure enough, the next week (week 8 from the first day of my claim) I received the not unexpected IB50 form and accompanying letter threatening me with loss of benefits if I failed to complete and return it by a specified date. I duly completed the form and  whilst waiting until 5 working days before the deadline to post it, I received a reminder containing the obligatory threat of lost benefits, note, I had 20 days to complete the form, hadn’t even posted it and they were threatening me? I couldn’t believe it. So I rang them (on the premium rate number they gave me) and explained that I would be posting it shortly and well within their recommended time scale. I was advised that the letter I received was a “courteous reminder” aimed at reducing the danger of a client losing their benefits! A likely story.


I had made the fatal mistake of giving my home telephone number on my application and received a call one Saturday morning to inform me that an appointment had been made for my medical examination which would take place 3 weeks from the time of the call. A letter confirming this would be sent out by way of official confirmation.


This is a breakdown of the events on that day


Access to the building


My examination took place at a DWP office in Sunderland City Centre, I was given a map (Conveniently printed on the back of the appointment letter, which the DWP keep when you attend) which indicated the nearest car park was well over 50M away from their location. Knowing Sunderland pretty well I was aware of limited disabled parking facilities on Union Street within 15 M of the building, Disabled parking the DWP conveniently neglected to mention in their letter giving directions. If you do not have a disabled badge, access is still available providing you can get someone to drop you off in Union St, that way you can actually get within 10M of the door. I asked a friend of mine to do this for me knowing the underhanded methods used by the DWP.


The Building


In this case, disabled access for those who are wheelchair users, Agoraphobic or Claustrophobic is not easy and I would like to take this opportunity to point out that you can have an examination at home, providing you have a legitimate medical reason for this, so, if you use a wheelchair, have been diagnosed as Agoraphobic or Claustrophobic this option may be open to you. The entrance to the DWP medical examination centre in Sunderland City Centre is located at 60 The Bridges and is opposite (slightly to the left as you come out of the station entrance) the Metro station. Entry is via a controlled security entry phone, placed low on the wall (where they assess your ability to bend) at the left of the entrance. Once inside the foyer you will see a lift immediately ahead of you, it is approximately 1.5M square and has a low ceiling, the door will barely accommodate a wheelchair. To your immediate left there is a narrow staircase which I could not investigate fully and would appreciate some details of i.e. does it go directly to the floor above, Does it turn back on itself, are there any landings, are the handrails any use, and fitted to both sides of the staircase, how many steps are there and is it well lit all the way up? Please feel free to answer these questions via the blog or the forum  http://www.dwpexamination.org


When you arrive at the first floor you enter a larger foyer where there are several toilets, these are not for your use so don’t bother asking for the key to the disabled toilet, you will be wasting your time. The toilets you have access to are in the waiting room and are very small and enclosed. The receptionist will take your letter, ask you to sign and date a declaration form, and if you want to claim expenses, Note: this is all part of the game and is an assessment of your ability to follow instructions, read, write and to see how long they can keep you standing there. Plus if you claim parking expenses they assume you were able to walk to their office from whichever car park your ticket comes from. Staff will report your performance to the Doctor.


The seats provided in the waiting area are low and uncomfortable to sit on, they have no arms and you are forced to twist to your left or right to get any support by using the back of the chair as you sit or when rising from them.


The examination


The (alleged) “Doctor” will usually call your name, he will watch you rise from your seat and walk into his examination room (this distance is measured and will appear on your medical report), where you will be offered the lowest possible seat he can find, usually without arms. Once inside the room he will attempt to put you at ease and off your guard by telling you how he will proceed. During the examination you will be asked questions about your health, home life, mental well being and whatever else he chooses. Some of these questions are at best dubious IE “what kind of car do you have”, “Who do you do your shopping with?”. I asked what that had to do with my physical examination, he didn’t reply. Once your interrogation is over he will then examine you physically, Note: he must ask if he can examine you. He will make you do things which may seem pointless to you but are designed to prove you have the necessary level of movement/mobility he requires to stop your benefit claim. If you try to speak you will be interrupted, when he asks you questions he will ignore your answers, and by the time the examination is over he will dismiss you like a naughty child.


So what is going on here? And more to the point what can you do?


First, be absolutely sure you are able to attend the medical examination on the day and at the time they require. If you cant you are within your rights to ask for an alternative date and time however, you will be required to provide this information. You are also entitled to ask for a Doctor of the same sex as yourself for example, you may be a Muslim Woman and being examined by a man would be inappropriate.


Note: the DWP say, and I quote;


 “Please note it (Note: they dont even use the term medical examination)is different from a normal medical examination-it is not to diagnose or discuss treatment of your medical condition”. Why on earth do they call it a medical then? And more interestingly what is its purpose other than to make a liar of you and stop your benefits?


“You may be asked to remove some items of your clothing?”


“Your time with the Health Care ‘Professional’ is usually between 20 and 60 minutes”.


The Health Care ‘Professional’ will want to know;

·         how your medical condition and/or mental health affects you in doing every day tasks.

·         If your illness or disability varies?


The report he/she completes will be forwarded to the office dealing with your claim or entitlement, where a ‘decision maker’ will use the medical report  (ESA85) as the one (and only) source of information in deciding your entitlement. They will also consider (Ignore) all other evidence available to them, including your own statement and any reports provided by others such as your G.P. You can provide additional evidence to the decision maker dealing with your entitlement.


Second, you are entitled to have a representative with you during the examination; this can be anyone you like. The DWP will provide someone to be present if you so wish?


Ideally this person should be someone who has medical experience and appropriate qualifications, a union representative, Care officer, social worker or any other suitably qualified person. They should have with them the following items if possible


Pen /pencil and note paper/book (So notes can be made during the examination If they tell you note taking during a medical examination is illegal take a look at this site http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/content/view/110/94/ ) or better still, look here http://edinburghagainstpoverty.org.uk/node/5

Watch (To time the medical examination)

Your companion should object/intercede if you suffer any ill effects as a result of the examination, you are entitled to take time to recover.

It may be worth asking your companion to take a mobile phone or camera (Switched off until required of course) with them, they may have to use it to take pictures if you have an accident or become ill as a result of your examination.

Take a Dictaphone with you and ask the Doctor if you can record the examination? He may not object.


Once the examination is complete ring the office dealing with your claim and ask for a copy of the medical report, they can not refuse.


Here are some useful tips for those attending DWP medical examinations, they aren’t official and were generated by me after my recent degradation session oops! Medical examination with the DWP.


  1. You are under observation from the moment you come within sight of the building and remain so until you leave sight of the building.
  2. Once in the building your movements and voice are under observation, yes folks, they can hear every word you say when you are on their premises.
  3. Nothing is “Off the record”.
  4. Copy everything they send or give you, ask for a copy of anything you sign or are asked to read on the day.
  5. Keep accurate records of any correspondence or phone calls, I use something I call a contact sheet which I keep by the phone.
  6. Make notes during and after your examination
  7. Everything you say is taken into account.
  8. Insist the Doctor listens when you explain the nature of your disability, remember, he has no idea at all of your medical history and will not know how your disability affects you.
  9. Every action from entering the building to leaving is taken into account and is to be considered part of the examination.
  10. Allways assume that reception staff will report on your use of mobile phones, ipod, radio, movement/mobility, removing your jacket etc whilst you are in the waiting area.
  11. You will be given the lowest chair (without arms) they can provide during your examination unless you make prior arrangements, even then make sure it meets your needs during the examination.
  12. They will try to outwit you by asking the same question several times in different ways.
  13. They will not listen to a word you say.
  14. You are entitled to ask the Doctor to read his notes back to you and to challenge anything you think is not a true representation of the facts. Do this and you will find glaring inconsistencies.
  15. Do not volunteer any information except when it is to your benefit to do otherwise.*(see note below)
  16. Ask your companion to help you rise or sit or help you to remove or put on your clothing.
  17. Think before you move.
  18. Think before you answer any questions as they will be coming thick and fast.
  19. Tell the Doctor if you are in pain during the examination.
  20. Do not hesitate to complain if you think the information in the medical report is wrong, inaccurate or as in my case assumed and made up.

 *Note: I answered Yes when asked “Do you like watching television”? The answer on my medical form reads “Likes to watch television every day. Generally prefers to watch the news and documentaries” This infers I can sit for long periods watching TV, He did not ask if I “sat” watching TV and obviously took no notice at all when I said I usually watch TV in the bedroom where I can lie on the bed?

In closing, if you can provide me with any details of any medical examination centre, photographs both inside and out, details of bad practice etc please don’t hesitate to contact me via the blog or the forum  http://www.dwpexamination.org


Let’s protect our rights, benefits, families and ourselves by working together to expose bad practice.


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  1. Letters do go missing with the DWP/Jobcenter etc.

    One went ‘missing’ even though it was signed for by them….

    They ‘open’ the post at one place, and repost it to the correct department/place/person etc.

    So even special delivery, signed for letters can go missing, and they dont care that it is their fault, you still have to resubmit the letter, they wont find it….

    Comment by thinkpad — June 19, 2009 @ 11:18 pm

  2. Lots of other people have problems with ATOS medicals, see benefitsandwork.co.uk/forum as well as googling the subject, lots of people with their story to tell….

    Comment by thinkpad — June 19, 2009 @ 11:20 pm

  3. Been there, yes you are right. That site has generated several visits to this one too. Have you noticed there seems to be more negative experiences than positive?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 20, 2009 @ 8:55 am

  4. I dont know enough of that particular system, however, it wouldnt surprise me at all. Try handing your communications in and getting a reciept, keep copies so thatwhen your letter sicknote etc falls into the black hole you have back up immediately available.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 20, 2009 @ 8:57 am

  5. Qoute “Been there, yes you are right. That site has generated several visits to this one too. Have you noticed there seems to be more negative experiences than positive?”

    Im still trying to find positive comments from people who have been to these medicals.

    The only positive things I can find are official press-releases etc, which are bound to show bias.

    Comment by thinkpad — June 22, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

  6. Mmmmm, My reference was a general one, I have seen positive comments on forums but have never given thought to challenging them. Maybe there are people out there who do have positive experiences of ATOS? I doubt it though, so I simply kept my mouth shut and assumed it was an ATOS employee on obvertime. To date, I have not recieved one single positive comment about ATOS, the DWP or thier minions. If anyone has a genuine positive comment I welcome those too and will willingly post them.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 22, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

  7. Hi there

    I read your page

    what was your outcome? did your benefits get stopped?

    I too have been for a medical two weeks ago and due to get paid on fridy so half expecting that not too be in bank either

    I suffer from Liver Disease which is life threatening – but its the side-effects from the chemo-like treatment which lasts for 1 year
    that prevent me from working – I also have Panic Disorder caused from stress of the illness but mainly its the side effects which
    like cancer chemo are real nasty , make you ill , Anemic, nuetropenia – i get over 40 side effects, I have injections every week
    and tablets every day and hospital visits every few weeks

    Im worried sick that my money is going to be stopped – this gestapo action on legitimate claimants is just wrong!

    my nurse says that lots of her patients on same treatment have had benefits stopped (but all appealed with letter from hospital and won)

    people that have life threatening illnesses and on chemotherapy treatment with severe side-effects are being thrown to the gutter
    everyday by the DWP/ATOS – I peruse a support forum for this illness and everyday more and more are being pulled of ESA immediatley
    after their medicals – one guys report said that cos he was able to just turn up to the interview and sit through a medical of questions
    meant that he could work….. another persons letter ended with …”..and you dont have any life threatening illnesses …” this is a person
    with severe liver disease and cirrhosis of the liver – on his way to getting liver cancer and possible death

    Now while im prepared for it all to happen and im going to claim JSA while I appeal (if my benefits get stopped which is likely) and im likely
    to win my appeal its the principle here and also stress form it all – shoudl also note that I got a letter from Hospital that I gave to ATOS saying
    just how bad the chemo is and how bad my particular case was and that stress worsens the side-effects but also risks making the treatment
    innefective in return risking my own mortality – the fact that the DWP know this and choose to stop my benefits means they know Iam in this
    situation and that theyre stress may cause me to lose my battle with liver disease then die as a concequence…


    me and others on the support forum are already writing letters to the local MP’s and House Of Commons about it

    Hope your well

    Comment by paul — July 8, 2009 @ 8:19 am

  8. Thanks for that P, In answer to your first question, Yes my benefits were stopped. However, I must stress thet I claimed after I had had majory surgery and it was a temporary measure to help me through the year long recovery. I was not eligible for any other benefits as my partner works and we needed all the financial support we could get. So dont panic, your case is far more life threatening and very very different to my own, bear in mind each case is different. I have appealed and have recieved a date for my tribunal which I will write about win, lose or draw, so keep watching.

    Thank you for sharing your story with us, I am sure everyone following this blog will sympathise with you. I know it is difficult and you will be forced to claim JSA but to me, this is all part of thier plan. How are we supposed to live if we have no money? By claiming JSA are we deemed to be admitting we are actually fit for work and are therefor making illegal fraudulant claims, which have been uncovered by ATOS’ dilligent doctors? One wonders?

    I have a plan of action and am sticking to it rigidly, I am not prepared to say what my plans are yet, but they will be revealed as my case progresses. It is a good idea to write to your MP and the House, dont forget to write to the prime minister too, remember, politicians are blind to this unless we tell them.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 8, 2009 @ 9:30 am

  9. hi again

    Can i just ask? – what were you getting at when you said ..”and you will be forced to claim JSA but to me, this is all part of thier plan. How are we supposed to live if we have no money? By claiming JSA are we deemed to be admitting we are actually fit for work and are therefor making illegal fraudulant claims, which have been uncovered by ATOS’ dilligent doctors?”

    ..”which have been uncovered by their dilligent doctors..”

    -sorry for sounding dumb

    Comment by paul — July 8, 2009 @ 12:10 pm

  10. Thanks for that P, OK, Point taken. I was being sarcastic, I dont believe for one single moment that there is one “dilligent” or competent ATOS alleged “Doctor” anywhere in the world , never mind the UK. Please accept my apologies if it sounded otherwise, but, by thier actions we are “forced” to claim JSA because of the alleged ATOS “doctors” decision to stop our benefits, once we do that (more out of necessity than anyting) ATOS then take the view they were right in the first place! As for it being “Part of thier plan” They know we have little or no chance of finding employment instantly, and also know we have living expenses to meet i.e. rent, gas, electricity. council tax etc and must therefore claim another form of benefit or face poverty, homlessness or court for non payment of council tax and other essential houshold bills. They also tell you thast your benefits have been suspended as late in the day as possible, blaming communication difficulties. This usually ends up with an over payment of IB or ESA, which we then have to sort out. This has to stop, we are human beings who have claimed a benefit in a time of great need, we dont do this for kicks, we do it because we have to. In most cases it is a temporary step untill claimants are fit enough to return to work. Hope this makes my statement a bit clearer

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 9, 2009 @ 7:15 am

  11. Hi Paul, just read your comments, I sympathise with your situation, and wish you the best of luck.

    One point, Im not sure what benefits you are currently getting, or how long you have been getting them, but I recommend you do see a welfare rights advisor, they are free, and should be one in your local area.

    The reason is, its not only JSA that you are able to claim, you may be able to claim a reduced rate of income support instead (which means you are not stating your fit for work) – Income support is not available for new claims, but I believe it is still available for people in the ‘transitionary’ period who were on a existing claim for something like incapacity benefit or SDA. Im not a welfare rights advisor though, so you should check with one to find out exactly what your rights are. The jobcenter may try to fob you off, or give you innaccurate advise (its happened to me before.)

    Comment by ukbix — July 9, 2009 @ 8:49 am

  12. Hi,

    I read your account with interest and a not insignificant portion of rage and disgust! I have had dealings with medical examinations a few times over the years (i suffer from lifelong mental health issues) and have been screwed over by these people a few years back, resulting in my benefits being stopped and a whole host of knock on effects which i wont go into.

    When my claim was terminated I telephoned the DWP to ask for advice regarding appealing the decision, I was told rather candidly by a DWP employee that there wasn’t much point in appealing because most appeals are refused anyway, i’m not sure if the person was being truthful or just trying to discourage me from making the appeal :/

    I have a medical interrogation in 8 days and i have been anxious, tense and depressed since the letter first arrived, even though i already knew it would be coming :(

    You are spot on that these people are there only to expose you as the liar that you must surely be until you can prove otherwise. Something to note is that being able to hold an intelligent discussion and express yourself clearly and concisely will go against you when being assessed for a mental health condition, apparently intelligent and erudite people are not allowed to have severe psychological issues. This is confirmed by my own experience and that of a friend who was actually told this by the examiner, something along the lines of “i have read the form that you filled in and the fact that you filled it in properly and clearly has actually put marks against you”!!!!
    I made sure to include a note in the additional info section at the back of my form that my intelligence is not in question and has no bearing upon my state of mind or ability to carry out full time employment, I will be making the same statement when i attend the interrogation.

    When my last claim was stopped i requested a copy of the report, indeed the ‘doctor’ that made this report had noted down answers to questions that had not even been asked, and written answers contrary to those i had given for questions that had been asked. Not only that, but this particular individual had actually lied to me about the answers that he was writing down when i asked what he was writing!

    I swear to god that if i see the same ‘doctor’ this time round it will take all of my self control to not launch myself across the room and beat him to death with his keyboard!

    I did not realise that my actions were being scrutinised from the moment i walked in the door, thank you for that little gem of information, i shall make sure to appear sullen and withdrawn when i attend this time!
    The basic upshot of my last claim termination is summed up by this sentence…I happened to be feeling quite chipper and talkative on that particular day, big mistake!

    I came across this page while looking for the descriptor points calculator, i know it’s online somewhere, but i’m buggered if i can find it! If anyone knows where it’s located then please post here, i have email notifications of follow up comments enabled.

    Oh, and finally, if you are going in expecting to be interrogated for a mental health issue, then for gods sake don’t mention that you have a bit of a bad back, this will result in a small amount of points (or even just one point)being added to the physical capability descriptor section, if it’s purely mental health you need ten points, if it’s physical or a combination then you need fifteen points, meaning that you could well score 10 points on mental health, but the one point that will be noted down for having a twinge in your lower back will leave you with a score of eleven…well short of the fifteen needed for the combination mental/physical descriptors, one of the many ways these F***ers use to catch you out and get you off the sick books.

    7:21 and i still can’t sleep, but they don’t care how much hell they put you through :(


    Comment by Stewart — July 22, 2009 @ 6:27 am

  13. Thanks for that S, Please give me a description of your local interrogation office for my ATOS medical centre page, I am sure it will help other readers. Please take a representative with you, ask them to take notes throughout the examination and if possible get them to carry a concealed digital or tape recorder. Be as precise as you can with your answers as the alleged Doctor has only a few possible answers he can insert. Above all make a not of what happened during your alleghed examination when you get home, if your benefits are stopped then you will need as mush detail as possible when you appeal. He will ask his questions in any way he sees fit and will not stick to the script if he thinkls he can catch you out. As for descriptor points take a look at my page entitled points make benefits, I listed those points I know there. Oh and by the way, ask the fool to read his findings back to you so you can correct any inconsistancies, he wont like that and will refuse, make a note of his reason for refusing. Good luck and let me know how you get on.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 22, 2009 @ 7:25 am

  14. Hello dwpexamination and fellow suffers.

    I would like to ask a few questions in a simplistic form.

    1.Having photocopied my IB50 would it be worthwhile giving a copy to the Atos doctor?

    2.Can I ask for a copy of the report generated by my medical?

    3.Can I refuse any physical examination or movement,that may worsen my

    4.Is there a time limit to how long you can be expect to wait before being called by the doctor? I’ve heard people have waited four hours plus!

    5.Would excessive waiting time in reception by a reasonable excuse for leaving the building.Without seening the doctor.

    6.I believe you can take a recording device into the examination,but do you have to tell or ask the doctor?

    7. I believe you can make a transcript of your recording,but not play the original recording without the express permission of the doctor concerned?

    8. Would it be worthwhile hiring a proffesionsl doctor or lawyer for my medical examination?

    9.Which option would you chose?

    I0.What would be the quickest route to appeal, against a negative decision.
    ie providing expanded and amended notes to your Atos medical report this being sent directly to the DWP for a DECISION MAKER to decide? rather than going through the whole appeals system

    11.Some of the Atos medical examiners are not doctors but,have attended a three day course to qualify as a examiner?

    12. I am very very worried,Best Wishes everyone.

    Comment by JET — September 5, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

  15. Hi Jet,

    Very interesting, I will tell you happened to me in answer to some of your questions.

    1 The alleged “health care Professional” will have a copy of your IB 50/ESA 50 and should have read it before your examination.
    2 Yes, I did. You must request this from the jobcentre dealing with your claim, I requested mine within 24 hours of the alleged medical and received a copy within 2 days of the request.
    3 I refused to do one aspect of the examination on the grounds that it was not physically possible to do what was asked of me. The Alleged “Doctor” should tell you this before the examination.
    4 I do not know the answer to this one, I have heard so many horror stories relating to several hours of waiting before being seen. I would seek advice on this as your disability may be aggravated by prolonged sitting or standing. I suggest you seek legal advice from council or the C.A.B.
    5 In truth I don’t know! Given ATOS’ god like opinion of themselves I would imagine you would be counted as absent by their administrative system and thus automatically have your benefit withdrawn. Seek legal advice on this one.
    6 I believe you cant, I have no further comment on this save to say it is personal choice. I would take a friend or relative with you who can take accurate notes, a tape recorder would be better of course but if you are accompanied its 2 against one if you need to go to a tribunal. I believe they can not prevent your representative from taking notes.
    7 I have no idea?
    8 If you can afford it I would say it could only benefit your case if they stop your benefits. Representation by the legal or medical profession may well carry more clout than a layman.
    9 I couldn’t afford it, either way. If I could I would take a lawyer with medical experience.
    10 You must follow the set procedure I’m afraid, long winded though it is. For example: Examination January, benefits stopped March, Tribunal September. That’s the biz kiddo.
    11 I believe the Government are not that stupid, and that all ATOS alleged “Doctors” must be qualified to examine you. The upshot of this not being the case could potentially result in the local greengrocer becoming an ATOS health care professional!
    12 Don’t be, take someone you can trust with you, get them to take extensive notes of the proceedings, politely tell the Doctor if you can not perform the tasks he asks you to do so during the medical and give specific and detailed reasons as to why you are refusing. Answer all of the Doctors questions with full detail, if he interrupts ask to be heard after all he is not fully aware of the effects of your disability and does not know your full medical history so you need to give him as much information as you can. Ask your companion to help you with your coat or clothing if the Doctor asks you to remove clothing so he can examine you. Do not be intimidated and ask the Doctor if he can read his findings back to you so you can correct any inconsistencies, when he refuses ask him for a reason and get your companion to note it. Good luck, let me know how you get on and above all, do not be afraid, that’s what they want. They want you to answer questions as quickly as possible so they can justify their multiple choice answers. Take a look at points make benefits on this blog to see how you are scored.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 6, 2009 @ 10:50 am

  16. Dear dwpexaminations

    Thank you for your quick respones,My last medical for Incapacity was Longlands Road in Middlesbourgh,I wonder if this will be used by a Atos?
    Disabled people are being used as comodities,by companies like Atos,E4A and the Shaw Trust.
    One of A4e’s consultants is David Blunkett, a former work and pensions secretary who advocated private involvement in welfare reform. Blunkett, now a backbench MP, is paid up to £30,000 a year by A4e, which is based in his Sheffield constituency. http://forums.liverpoolecho.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=880794
    Blunkett was the main architect of this British Welfare to Work system,a conflict of interests methinks? Once again, Thank You.

    Comment by JET — September 6, 2009 @ 11:50 am

  17. You dont say where or when your madical will take place. Can you do me a favour and provide a description of the medical centre? I would like to know about parking and distance from the centre, nearby access where you could be dropped off to reduce the walk, the centre itself cameras etc, treatment by staff and above all a description of your medical if you can. Good luck

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 6, 2009 @ 12:10 pm

  18. It was over four years ago,was not very well,but the taxi pulled right outside,even the doctor asked why was I sent to him. The decision took less than five minutes.Would Atos been involved then? Sorry

    Comment by JET — September 6, 2009 @ 12:37 pm

  19. 4.Is there a time limit to how long you can be expect to wait before being called by the doctor? I’ve heard people have waited four hours plus!

    Im pretty sure the guidance (from memory) is if your not seen after 20 minutes the delay should be explained to you, if not you can put in a complaint.

    5.Would excessive waiting time in reception by a reasonable excuse for leaving the building.Without seening the doctor.
    Do not do that without GETTING IT IN WRITING FROM ATOS that another appointment has or will been scheduled, and that they agree you are not refusing to be assessed, and have given you permission to go, without any risk to benefits etc..

    6.I believe you can take a recording device into the examination,but do you have to tell or ask the doctor?
    Do NOT tell the doctor (unless you comply with the DWP rules, twin deck machine, calibrated immediately before the start of recording by a qaulified sound engineer, twin simultaneous copies made, agreed in advance etc etc) – if you tell the doctor and want to record with a standard tape recorder they will refuse to assess you, and you will lose your benefits if you keep insisting on recording.

    However, their is no law that I am aware of, that stops you from secretly recording the medical, without their knowledge, but be aware you may have to remove some items of clothing, so hide the recorder well.

    7. I believe you can make a transcript of your recording,but not play the original recording without the express permission of the doctor concerned?
    Dont do anything silly with a recording made, ie dont go putting it on youtube identify the doc – as for playing it, you can ask for it to be used as evidence at a tribunal, and it is up to the tribunal if it is accepted as evidence. The doctor cannot stop the tribunal from playing it if they accept it as evidence.

    I0.What would be the quickest route to appeal, against a negative decision.
    ie providing expanded and amended notes to your Atos medical report this being sent directly to the DWP for a DECISION MAKER to decide? rather than going through the whole appeals system

    I would say go the appeal route, you can ask for a ‘reconsideration only’ but if you go the appeal route your case is automatically re-assessed for reconsideration before the appeal.

    11.Some of the Atos medical examiners are not doctors but,have attended a three day course to qualify as a examiner?
    Physical exams are done by doctors, however nurses can do mental health exams.
    None have to be specialists, only Nurse or GP (some sort of therapist is also allowed, but I cant remember the wording for the name)
    who have their normal qualifications, membership of GMC or nursing and midwifery council, and of course, a short few day course as you say.

    Some of the doctors (only a small number less than 10) have had their approval revoked, yet still do medicals…
    Some have either resigned or retired, or are from overseas.

    Comment by ukbix — September 6, 2009 @ 1:35 pm

  20. Thank you ukbix

    Dear all as you know,everyone now on incapacity benefit will be examined by an Atos doctor cira 2010 rest assured dwpexamination any information I can find out about Atos medicals in Teeside will be fully reported. You have my word on that. Best wishes to everyone.

    Comment by JET — September 6, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

  21. Hi all,

    I posted a while ago about my examination that was due, to put it simply, they have screwed me over again and there isn’t a damn thing I can do about it.

    This time round my examiner was a male nurse, and judging by the outcome of this farce a nurse who knows nothing about mental health conditions.

    I wont go into too much detail because frankly i’m right on the edge at the moment, i’ve already used up my months supply of tranquilisers and to explain it all again would cause mee too much distress.

    Basically, the examination lasted all of 20 minutes, during which time said nurse became redder and redder as if in some way massively uncomfortable.
    The interview was terminated with the phrase, “ok, I think i’ve got enough here to fill in the rest of this myself, you can go now”

    I have a copy of the descriptors here, and even thier oversimplified scoring system has contradicted itself. Not to mention that I am missing points in descriptors that I should clearly have had them in.

    Oh, it was very nice of them to send out a letter on the 28th of last month informing me that my benefits have been stopped as of the 13th of last month, thier efficiency astounds me.

    Anyway, I can’t think about this anymore, i’m threatened with eviction now and up to my eyeballs in debt. Only the good grace of my friends is going to bring me through this without losing my home (it’s in thier interest too mind you as it’s also thier home).

    I now have lots of arkward letters to write, a housing association to grovel and ass kiss to and a claim for JSA to make so that I can be forced into work that I am clearly not capable of, thanks ATOS, thanks a bunch.

    I’m going to have to unsubscribe from this blog now, I wish I could be more help to others, but really it’s all I can do to not fall apart right now.

    I wish you all the best of luck in whatever trials and tribulations life throws at you, and I also sincerely wish for ATOS and all thier inhuman cronies to burn in the fiery pit of hades.


    Comment by Stewart — September 6, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

  22. well just too let you know my outcome was successfull – I was put in the SUPPORT GROUP for my illness, the female GP I seen was very sympathetic and seemed understanding (wolf in sheeps clothing?)- it took 5 weeks for the decision to come back – it was a very stressfull time the whole thing frpom getting the letter to going then getting the result – I wonder had I not kicked up a fuss with ATOS before I even went to the medical (which I did) if my outcome would have been the same…

    I had a sports bag FULL to top of medication and got upset on 3 occasions as I had to dig up the past

    Comment by paul — September 6, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

  23. dwpexamination

    As promised Longlands Road Middlesbourough has closed,had easy access. Hope this helps will investigate regards


    and this http://www.redcar-cleveland.gov.uk/PressRel.nsf/Published/410CF37DDD88C33380257051003C611F

    and this http://www.townliar.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=17369

    Comment by JET — September 7, 2009 @ 1:29 am

  24. Well done and thanks for the info.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 7, 2009 @ 10:00 am

  25. Well done P, Your case is an inspiration to everyone here. I recently had a Tribunal victory where I was awarded ten times the points allocated by the ATOS “Health care Professional”. Its good to here that some cases do get past the dreaded “examination” which is not like a normal examination……

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 7, 2009 @ 10:06 am

  26. Morning S, sorry to here your circumstances. I hope you will seek assistance and appeal against the decision, bear in mind, claiming JSA is not an admission that ATOS or the decision maker are right, it is simply a method by which you can continue to claim benefits and any housing benefits you recieve. Do this as quickly as possible to avoid any unnecessary stress as it is obvious from your missive that you are indeed under great strain. I wish you well my friend and hope you can continue to comment on this blog whenever you feel up to it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 7, 2009 @ 10:11 am

  27. Excellent, this is what I want to here, the more this is brought out into the open the better off genuinely disabled people will be.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 7, 2009 @ 10:12 am

  28. Thanks Ukbix, where do I stand of I want to publish my story including the name of the alleged Doctor concerned?

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 7, 2009 @ 10:13 am


    Comment by David — September 21, 2009 @ 10:59 am

  30. Thanks for that David, just remember, you are not alone! there are many, many people out there with similar issues. All I want to do is to draw attention to the plight suffered by those of us with a disability however that manifasts itself, and the effects these so called Doctors are having on our lives by giving an unqualified “decision maker” enough “vague” information and amunition to suspend our benefits. I might add, these are benefits for which we have paid for in advance via our NI contributions. I wish you well.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 21, 2009 @ 1:20 pm

  31. I’m another victim of ATOS Healthcare’s so called “Medical Assessments”. As I have chronic fatigue, I really don’t have the energy to fight against the decision that deemed me “capable of work”, but I’m damn well going to do it.
    I’ve written to my MP, and I suggest anyone else in the same position does the same, complaining that this private American company is taking hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayers’ money to get people off sickness benefits. NOT to give them a fair assessment. Google “ATOS” and you won’t find a good word said about them, there are even cases of their own employees taking them to tribunals as they’re all under pressure to get people off benefits. Their process of assessing, and the criteria they use, are designed by them in order to bias all assessments against their victims.
    Reading the copy of the report that they sent me, it seems like their assessors (I won’t insult the medical profession by calling these corporate shills “doctors”) only note anything they can use against you and ignore anything you say which could help your case. Utterly dishonest, even down to claiming that I “sat comfortably for 30 minutes” – no one asked me if I felt comfortable!!!
    I’ve paid tax and NI for 20 years, foolishly thinking that if I was ever unable to work that the system I’d paid into would be there to support me, but even a Labour government would rather treat me like a malingerer or a criminal. This demonisation of ill people has to stop! Let your MP know that you will not vote for a government which treats you like this.

    Apparently, if you appeal & take them to tribunal you have a 60% chance of success, which increases to 70% if you take someone from Citizens Advice or Welfare Rights with you. So, if you’re at all able to, DO IT!
    I’ve been told that Citizens Advice are struggling to keep up with the amount of help they’re being asked to provide for people for appeals, which tells you a lot.
    I also found a lot of useful advice at http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk , unfortunately you have to pay a fee to access the really useful info (no, I don’t work for them! I paid up, but only because I’m desperate).
    See this link for a news item regarding “Tribunal chief slams ‘absurdity’ of computerised incapacity medicals”: http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/news-archive/140-tribunal-chief-slams-absurdity-of-computerised-incapacity-medicals

    Good luck with your cases, everyone!

    Comment by Mike — October 26, 2009 @ 12:48 pm

  32. I agree, always appeal, no matter what they have said to stop your benefits.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 27, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

  33. Hi, What excellent information i have read so far!… so i thought i’d ask for your advice, im due to have my dwp medical an Saturday 7th November and to be quite honest i am absolutely terrified!!i have been on long term sick for 10months,(ambulance driver)i have excruiating back, neck, hip pain, muscle spasms/weakness fatigue nunbness in left foot ..the list is endless hence now under a neurologist and still undergoing various tests, 1 of the MRI test results has shown i have DDD at c3/4 c5/6. at c5/6 there is osteophtyes narrowing the intervertebral foramina. There is a prolapsed disc at T9/10. on my last visit to A&E…. couldnt stand the pain! i was told that a prolasped disc in the Thoracic is very rare( 1 in a million)so heres my question Would it be a resonable, given the size of the city i come from to ask how many patients they had actually seen with the same complaint as me or would i just be wasting my time??? HELP scared shitless!!!! thanks Ruth

    Comment by Ruth — November 3, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

  34. Thanks for that R, First may I suggest you take someone with you to take notes, and to assist you in dressing and undressing (even taking you coat off)second make sure the “examination” does not cause you unnecessary pain or make your condition worse, next when it is over ask to go through your responses to check for inconsistancies. When the alleged “Doctor” refuses get your companion to note thier reason. This will be useful if you have to go to a Tribunal later. Also provide as much evidence to support your condition as you possibly can, though bear in mind if you flick through the pages of the documents you produce the alleged “Doctor” will make a note of this and consider the fact you could do that as part of thier examination. Dont be afraid, maintain your dignity, try not to panic and remember they need all of the information you can give them on your condition as they do not know you or your medical history as well as your G.P. In reply to your question you could ask for this information under the Freedom of Information Act but you must have a valid reason for requesting it, so can I suggest you wait to see what happens, request a copy of the report from your local JC+ ASAP and await thier decision. If thay stop your benefite, appeal as a matter of course and then make your FOA request giving your forthcoming tribunal as the reason for requesting the info Good luck and dont forget to tell us how you get on

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2009 @ 9:55 am

  35. Hi. thankyou so much for your advice, i will keep everything you said in mind for my impending Dwp “Medical”, i honestly feel as though im been sent to the Gallows!!. Incidently why do these “HUMANS” treat eveyone as though their liars and scroungers…… i had a fantastic job with a good salary… would i really want to put myself through all this for the sake of £64.30 esa if i was capable of doing a job that i loved???? I THINK NOT !. I will definately let you know how it all went and the decision thats made in due course. Thanks again Ruth

    Comment by Ruth — November 5, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

  36. You may be interested in my experience which I have published on a web page http://www.whywaitforever.com/dwpatos.html.

    There is a parliamentary inquiry underway. I submitted written evidence. http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmworpen.htm . I recommend reading the written evidence submitted by the Parlimentary and Health Service Ombudsman.

    Jonathan Shaw, the Minister for Disabled People has written me to confirm that “…assessment looks at what an individual can do, rather than simply making a diagnosis of their medical condition…”.
    I will be writing to him pointing out the legal case involving the United States of America, State of California, Department of Insurance and their 2005 settlement with the UnumProvident Corporation.
    This agreement settles disputes over thousands of claims filed by California policyholders who were unfairly denied benefits by the insurance carrier during the time period between January 1, 1997 and September 30, 2005. I will ask him to review the medical assessments where people may have been unfairly denied benefits. I hope the DWP will hold an internal review and identify those people unfairly denied benefits. I hope the DWP will seek substantial financial recompense from Atos Healthcare and refund the tax payer. I hope the Attorney General does not need to go to the High Court seeking redress under Administrative Law for an abuse of process.

    I have written to the BMA and in their reply they state
    “…While we cannot comment on individual cases the BMA does have concerns regarding the use of non-doctors by the Department of Work and Pensions and Atos Healthcare to assess patients for benefits claims. We are seeking a meeting to discuss these issues with Atos….”

    I have complained to the Care Quality Commission. I was phoned saying they do not cover Atos Healthcare. I await their written reply.
    At the CQC suggestion I will be complaining to PALS but I believe they only cover Department of Health matters.

    I have formally reported David Wright, Chief Medical Officer Atos Healthcare to the GMC claiming that David Wright has been negligent, neglectful or incompetent in that he has failed to ensure appropriate medical procedures have been implemented in my case and in the cases submitted as written evidence to the Parliamentary Committee.

    I recommend you email or write to your MP, complain about your treatment, ask for redress and ask that your complaint be forwarded for action by the Secretary of State for the Department for Work and Pensions. It is a duty of state to care for the dying, the sick, the disabled and their carers.

    Comment by MikeBach — November 8, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

  37. Thanks for that M, very, very interesting reading. I am sure that if enough people got togther and complained to the powers that be about the system and ATOS things would change, however, the disabled are under attack at present by Gordon Brown and the Labour party and will be under a further, sustained and escalated attack by the Conservative Party if they gain power. We are in a no win situation at the present time, but, if we can somehow come together at a fixed point, assemble ourselves into a recognised group, fund legal representation then we may have a chance. There are 1.6 million of us out there according to Government figures, so one can safely assume that that figure is substantially higher given the numbers ATOS are removing from the system. We put these thieving fools into positions of power, we can also remove them……..

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 9, 2009 @ 8:44 am

  38. Hi guys, just thought i’d update you so far on my DWP “medical experience”. On Friday night my husband received a phone call from one of his mates stating that he had just read the daily medical lists (he’s head of security at the city’s DWP) and did i know that i was due to attend the next morning?. On confirming this, he asked for a lift to work on our way there….”dont be to early tho,that Doctor is always late” he said!!!.We parked in the Staff carpark and was taken via lifts to the right department 10 minutes early as was expressed in the letter, No one was there, 5 minutes later a receptionist appeared and told me “the Doctor” would call me shortly,10 minutes later he turned up with his coat on and bag on his shoulder , he had just arrived!!,another 10minutes later he called me in,by this time i was already stood up against a wall as the pain was unbearable.The Doctor then dissapeared to fetch his cup of coffee! I was asked about 5 questions, Where have you parked being 1 of them! I was asked to raise my arms, but refused due to the pain………… That was it!! To be perfectly honest i thought it was total bolloxs, cant wait to see the “report” and how my answers and actions were perceived! Im not holding my breath and dont have much hope! P.S I was told by hubbys mate that i would be 20 mins at the most as the Doctor liked to be home for 3pm to watch the Football on sky!!!!. All i want is to get back to normality and the job i love, but until that can be acheived , i just want to be treat fairly. I’ll let you know the outcome a.s.a.p ,Ruth

    Comment by Ruth — November 9, 2009 @ 10:22 pm

  39. My husband has been driven half crazy by the DWP. He has a severe leg disability due to an accident, and has been off work sick most of this year.Whilst off work sick[he has worked continuously since he was fifteen] his firm closed up, and he was made redundant. He went to the doctor and asked if he could sign on as a jobseeker but our GP said there wasno way that he would sign him as fit for work, so he claimed Employment and Support Allowance, He was awarded this and was then commanded to attend an ATOS medical examinattion at Cambridge, or forfeit his benefit, There was a phone number to ring if there were special needs to be taken into account, so I rang it [my husband is quite deaf] three times and was cut off after 31minutes each time. We went to this examination and very difficult we found it as the front door opened outward, the lift was miniscule, and the inner door also opened outward. As soon as we gained entry I told the receptionist that the place was very wheelchair unfriendly, and we were immediately told to leave, as there was a health and safety issue with wheelchairs. We were given £10 expenses and packed off home. After about 2-3 weeks an appointment was made for a home visit, which was cancelled on the day due to the doctor being off sick! He finally had a so-called examination at home nearly a month ago, and today received a letter stating that he had been placed in tha Work Related Activity Group and would have a personal advisor. Great stuff eh!
    The letter then goes on that as he has now reached retirement age -65years- his benefit will stop anyway! They knew how old he was when he put in his claim! Also it wasn’t my husband declaring himself unfit for work, it was our GP so they should have taken it up with him if they thought my husband was a liar.
    The DWP have wasted money hand over fist and the whole thing would be farcical if the reults weren’t so serious. How the hell do they think a man with severe mobility problems, a weak arm, hearing problems and such severe emotional problems that he had to attend a therapist, with three months left before retirement would get a job. It must have cost a fortune to send a doctor from about 26 miles away to do a medical and write a report, which incidentally we have not seen, despite requesting a copy the day following the medical. I hope the doctor enjoys his £25 bonus.
    The DWP have squandered tax payer’s money, caused my husband more stress than £64 a week is worth, and we wish he had never claimed for anything. They have “lost” personal documents that were sent recorded delivery and sent a letter with all our personal information to a neighbour, and the entire epartment is a mess.
    We have only had to deal with the DWP in the last few years, and have found it unfair entirely inefficient and underhand. People who have worked hard all their lives, often at great cost to their health, end up being treated like criminals.
    Thank God we are now retired, we could not deal with this department again.

    Comment by Grace — November 12, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

  40. Thanks for that G, I agree, the whole episode is farcical. The Government want to cut back on disability benefits paid to claimants they consider fit fir work and yet they themselves throw our hard earned cash around like it was confetti just to meet thier academic standards. These standards are just part of the problem and as you have experienced the alleged “examination” by a so called “Doctor” which focusses on what you can do rather than what you cant do. This allows these fools to ignore obvious disabuilities and send a report to yet another fool who has never (and is never likely to have) met you so they can in turn justify cutting off your benefits and your lifeline. As I have said before, it is time for the disabled people of the UK claimants or not to unite and show our strength at the next General election. One point six million people turning thier backs on the the present Government and the Tory party (REMEMBER THEY WANT TO BE EVEN HARDER ON US) can and will make a difference. Anyone interested? please let me know .

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 13, 2009 @ 8:58 am

  41. Going mad waiting on medical examination results. Does anyone know how soon the decision maker gets the info from atos and how long he takes to decide?. The atos medical examiner i saw yesterday was a nurse (HITLERS wife) & was so cheeky and asked me to decribe how I would kill myself as I suffer mental health problems and have thoughts of suicide. She was Patronizing/Nippy & Unsympathetic.

    Comment by queens — November 13, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

  42. From what I have heard it can vary between 2 weeks to 3 months, they do this delibertely to leave as mich time as possible between your “examination” and the decision. They (because of the stress of the wait )know you will be demoralised and less likely to appeal. Take my advice, if they stop your benefits, appeal as a matter of course. The purpose is of course to increase the number of overturned decisions and put ATOS deeper in the s**t. Good luck and keep us posted

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 16, 2009 @ 9:38 am

  43. In my November 8 comment (see above), I mentioned I have published my experience on my web page:-

    I have added a new page which contains all the correspondence I have had to date with the DWP, Atos and JobCentrePlus etc. For people new to dealing with these brutes, it may help to see the time scales and effort involved.

    The thirty day time limit is important. After the medical examination, it is important to write as soon as possible to the DWP insisting that the allowance be paid and that the start of the time period to decide whether an appeal should be made should be deferred until:-
    1. you have received the medical report.
    2. you have received the names and qualifications of the healthcare professionals who reviewed the information you supplied prior to the face to face meeting and the person who undertook the examination, if one occurred.Point out you may wish to check with the GMC that
    the individuals were qualified to advise on your medical condition.
    3. you have received under the Freedom of Information Act a copy of the contract between the DWP and Atos Healthcare. You suspect that your medical condition might be listed and as such the medical examination was invalid.
    Until you have the above you and your legal and medical advisors cannot
    decide whether to appeal.
    Let the DWP know you are emailing your MP to request the Minister to review your case. Once Parliament is involved in your case you will no longer be treated so badly.

    Maybe this web site can put together better pro forma templates for letters and emails than the ones I produced. I am happy for anyone to copy, edit, use and publish the DWP ATOS content on my web site.

    I realise how hard it is for patients and carers. There is no easy solution. History shows injustice eventually results in change. I will, likely as not, be dead before this happens. If I can, I promise to haunt Mark Bounds Atos Healthcare Managing Director and David Wright Atos Healthcare Chief Medical Officer. I wish that there will be a trial like the Nurnberg Doctors trial with these two and others in the dock for crimes to the dying, the sick, the disabled and
    their carers.

    Comment by MikeBach — November 25, 2009 @ 12:29 pm

  44. Bravo “M”, Bravo.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 25, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

  45. Just received the orignal written response of the Dr to my complaint,which I requested under the data protection act. Her written resoponse was used to make up and letter to respond to my complaint?
    I also got copies of the emails between the Dr and the customer relations manager, low and behold the Dr is taking my private information from the ESA50 and making a sniping remark about me to the CRM.I guess the Dr thought i would not see those!
    Anyway do ask for copies of all info kept on you and the origanal response of the Dr when you get a letter back of ATOS from your complaint, you may be suprised at what you see.

    Comment by Sandy — December 7, 2009 @ 2:54 am

  46. good idea, the more we make these fools work the better AI say, lets keep them occupied defending thier own actions and make them work for this 30 pieces of silver.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 7, 2009 @ 7:53 am

  47. I was sent away from the examination centre because the ATOS ‘Doctor’ didn’t have time to see me, my appointment was for 4pm and I was sent away at about 4.50 pm.

    My husband told the receptionist that he would be unable to bring me again as he works in a school and is not allowed time off during term. The appointment they sent me home from was on the last but one day of term, so they agreed he could go early. He requested a home visit and the receptionist said yes that would be fine. I can’t drive much due to arthritis in my hands. They gave us nothing in writting, which is now worrying me.

    Also, the building had a shallow step which I failed to see and I was on my own as my husband had gone to park. I tripped over the step and nearly fell down a flight of 4 tiled steps. The hand rail was not within reach of the door, but I managed to stop regain my balance and walk to the hand rail about 4 metres away. The ‘trip’ just shook me up and made my leg joints sore for a few days. Stupidlly, I falled to report this!
    Sue Boniwell

    Comment by Susan Boniwell — December 13, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

  48. Thanks for that Sue, I sympathise with you. If you have any kind of accident or “near miss” in a Government building you should report it, there are several reasons for this the main one being if someone else falls after it has been highlighted the Government leave themselves open for legal action. All chances to get our own back should be taken at every opportunity, these fools wouldnt miss a trick with you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 24, 2009 @ 9:02 am

  49. Thank you so much for your website. I am due for my medical on Thurs and I am so glad I found this in time.

    Last year I couldn’t answer the questions properly because my memory is so poor and because I had to wait an hour and a half and was climbing the walls by the time it was my turn. I became quite distressed and was very ashamed of my inability to cope.

    This time I decided to get it right so where they ask on the form if there’s anything they can do to make things easier for you I requested a list of questions that I would be asked so that I could give them honest answers.

    They didn’t even acknowledge my request, but now I see that it’s better to just be myself and get upset – which I surely will.

    Thank you for giving me that insight.

    Comment by Mary — January 3, 2010 @ 4:24 pm

  50. Good idea, I think I will ask for a set of questions in advance too, afterall, they do! Do yourself a favour and take someone you can trust with you, ask for an early appointment and then there is no excuse for the alleged “Doctor” being late for your appointment. Also inform your MP of your impending “medicak” by email and highlight your fears therein. I guess its a pretty safe bet for most disabed folk that thier nbenefits will be stopped by these chancers anyway. They think we are too stupid to appeal, and naturally think by giving the decision maker the vaguest information possible that they can justify thier own existance and earn thier 30 pieces of silver. Good luck and let us know how you get on.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 4, 2010 @ 9:10 am

  51. At the moment I seem to have a little more faith in human nature than you do, but we’ll see……

    A list of questions is a bad idea for me. (I don’t think they’d give them out anyway, they asked me to request whatever I needed to make the visit easier for me and then they ignored that request.) It’s best if I get upset trying to work out the answers as my memory is one of my worst problems. I have made a list of my symptoms though as I’m always forgetting them and wasn’t taken seriously for years because I was always in denial and trying to make the best of things.

    I don’t have anyone to take.

    I was going to try and drive there but I think the bus is the best bet because driving would be an effort and I get confused in car parks so I was going to park the car on the road some distance away and walk. If I tell them I’ve done that they’ll think I’m a fitness freak. I feel they are making me give up on myself and I hate that. I find the best way to cope is to be positive and put on a brave face but that’s not the way to get benefit, is it?

    I’ve heard that if they stop and restart your benefit you don’t get the bit you missed paid back to you. Is that true?


    Comment by Mary — January 4, 2010 @ 10:03 am

  52. Hi M, these fools stopped my benefits, after they did so I did not claim JSA as I felt I would be committing fraud by signing a statement saying I was fit fir work when I obviously wasnt. I waited around 6 months for a tribunal and won a massive vistory. My benefits were completely restored and backdated to the date I was robbed of them by the quack who declared me fit for work. I strongly advise you to take someone with you, try contacting your local CAB or local authority social services dept, it will only take a couple of calls and may save you a lot of hearache. I wouldnt trust these people an inch………….Anyway, take a taxi, get a reciept from the driver and claim the money back from ATOS, I’m told it takes ages for them to repay you and many claims are mysteriously lost in the post so take copies and send by recorded delivery.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 4, 2010 @ 11:32 pm

  53. Hi everyone
    Just a quick word to say that on Thursday I went to the first Tier Tribunal
    (to appeal against the ATOS decision )and am glad to report that the panel consisted of a real non ATOS Doctor and an independent solicitor who acts as the tribunal judge.
    They found that the pretend Doctor from ATOS had got her points calculations wrong. So I would say to anyone attending one of ATOS,s so called assessments, even if you are wrongly assessed on the first attendance there is hope when you appeal.
    What I need to know is, after nearly 12 months of HELL from the DWP and ATOS, suffering the stress (and often wondering if was worth the stress I was putting my family and friends through)if is it possible to find a solicitor willing to take on a case of harassment, stress and total incompetence on a no win no fee basis as i am sure there has got to be thousands of people who have suffered under this stupid (and probably against the famous Human Rights Act) policy of allowing a private company to have overall control of a benefits system that is funded by tax payers.
    So if there are any Lawyers willing to take on this EVIL draconian system,let me know as I would love to see ATOS and DWP get their just deserves

    Regards and good luck with your claims

    Comment by alan clouds — January 16, 2010 @ 12:48 pm

  54. Well done and thanks for sharing your victory with us Alan. Just goes to show, you can win when appealing against an ATOS decision. Another one bites the dust……..

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 17, 2010 @ 12:12 am

  55. Just to let you know that I had my medical last week and it was a much less unpleasant experience than last time.

    The receptionist told me that they were running behind and that I would have to wait about ten minutes, also that I would be next in. She organised my travel expenses for me, without any fuss. The chairs had arms and were not too uncomfortable and there was water to drink, and toilets well signed although I didn’t use them.

    The doctor was a real gentleman, he shook my hand and used my title and surname rather than my Christian name. He was kindly but efficient and listened patiently to all I had to say.

    I was careful not to give one word answers, and to explain my symptoms and their effects on me as fully as possible. I was satisfied that I gave a true account of my problems, but took your advice and thought very carefully before giving my answers.

    I am pleased to report that I had my letter in just over a week and that my benefit continues for another three years before I have to go through it all again.

    Thanks for you advice and support.

    Comment by Mary — January 28, 2010 @ 9:18 pm

  56. Thanks for that M, sounds like you could be the exception to the rule? we may have evidence here that there are success stories too, though it is unusual for anything to go well where ATOS and the pretend Doctors are concerned. Any chance of a bit of detail about the centre you went to then?

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 29, 2010 @ 1:48 am

  57. What would you like to know?

    The centre I attended was in Ipswich.

    I am pretty sure that my doctor was genuine.

    I am also fairly sure that if I hadn’t been warned to think about each question carefully before answering I may well have failed the test. I told only the truth but made sure that it was the whole truth and your input was invaluable.

    Thanks again,


    Comment by Mary — January 29, 2010 @ 10:49 pm

  58. Thanks M, I am looking for information which describes the proximity of public parking, general access to the building i.e. are there steps to climb etc, once inside do you need to climb stairs, use a lift, were there the customery “security cameras” from which waiting claimants can be observed by the pretend “Doctors” etc, its all useful in our fight against discrimination by these monsters.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 30, 2010 @ 9:10 am

  59. I don’t know about parking but I went in by bus and it was only a short walk. No steps to climb or stairs inside. I didn’t notice cameras but you had to buzz to get in so security was obviously an issue. The reception area was very open, you could see in through the side of the receptionist’s door on your way to and from the examination rooms and there was no evidence of a screen showing what was happening elsewhere in the building.

    I don’t believe they were pretend doctors and everyone who turned up was informed of exactly how many people were in front of them and how long before they would be seen. The information was offered, we didn’t have to ask. One woman said she’d go out again and they took her mobile number so they could advise her when to return – their idea, not hers. One person asked to be fitted in as their appointment was not on that day, and the doctor agreed to do that. We all had our expenses dealt with as a matter of course and were not expected to fill in forms and I felt that we were treated extremely well. Perhaps it’s more civilised in Ipswich than wherever you are.

    I didn’t like the form I had to fill in. It asked what would make my visit easier, then ignored my requests, they didn’t even bother commenting on them or explaining why they’d turned them down.

    I really can’t fault the staff at the examination centre but I think that the system they have to follow might not allow for shades of grey. I find it hard to describe my problems, not the least because they involve confusion and a grotty memory, and I am likely to minimise them, which I had to try very hard not to do during my appointment.

    Perhaps the moral of the story is that you should move to this area? It’s less crowded and maybe we have more time for each other.


    Comment by Mary — January 30, 2010 @ 12:49 pm

  60. Interesting, I wonder if there are any more ATOS clients out there who can provide further evidence of good practice.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 30, 2010 @ 10:21 pm

  61. I attended one of these interviews in 2008 at Thornaby (Teesside). I attended on my own (mistake!).

    The reception was on the 1st floor, and the public lift was out of order (the doctor informed me that it had been o.o.o. for 6 weeks).

    I struggled upstairs to reception. The chairs were armless and uncomfortable.

    The doctor bombarded me with questions, some of which appeared to be irrelevant. I felt as though I was being ignored (confirmed later!). A few weeks later I received a letter from the DWP informing me that I did not meet the points criteria, and that my benefits would cease. I was advised to register as unemployed.

    I appealed (and won). When I read the doctor’s score sheet, I thought I must have been at a different medical. He had ignored most of my answers and substituted his own. It was a disgrace.

    The whole process is a sham. They are simply trying to put you on other benefits to save a few quid. Payments made to this private organisation probably far exceed the ‘savings’ made.

    I have received a new questionnaire, and no doubt I shall be summoned to attend anothere of these charades shortly.

    It is Kafka with knobs on.


    Comment by george — February 9, 2010 @ 3:15 pm

  62. Thanks for that G, the Government itself has recommended changes be implimented to the system which they freely admit has what they laughingly refer to as “Teething problems”. The DWP are under fire re the “poor decision making” and “stress and suffering” caused by the denial or cessation of benefit to clalaimants, the whole thing needs to be reviewed and a new “fair” system introduced. I think the problem is that the DWP are tarring everyone with the same brush and any assessment of a claim is based upon the assumption that it is potentially fraudulent, and not the opposite. If you watch politicians squirmoing on TV at the moment when under investigation about thier expenses claims, you will see they are using the same saying (tarred with the same brush) which is often in the same sentence as the words “witch hunt”. I hope they are getting the message? as thats how genuine benefit claimants are made to feel daily. Take my advice and go to the next “sham” accompanied, take notes and get your companion to carry a concealed recording device, an accurate account at your tribunal is essential if you want to win. lease let us know how you progress and give a description of the “medical” centre, its location, accessibility etc. It can only help others in our position.

    I’ll be back

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 10, 2010 @ 8:29 am

  63. atos are the best you guys get off your bloddy high horses and get a job!!!!!

    Comment by adam smith — February 12, 2010 @ 4:45 pm

  64. get bloody job all of you scroungers

    Comment by adam smith — February 12, 2010 @ 4:45 pm

  65. you all wanna easy life and dont wanna work just so u can drive posh cars all day and sleep it off whilst everyone works. i am on incapaicit yas i am genuine depression patient

    Comment by adam smith — February 12, 2010 @ 4:46 pm

  66. to Adam Smith
    After reading your comments I am sorry to see that your medication seems to be a waste of tax payers money
    If you cant say anything constructive why dont you go and lie down in the corner and wait for the men in white coats.The only thing depressing about you are your stupid misinformed comments

    Comment by alan clouds — February 12, 2010 @ 9:15 pm

  67. Thanks for that Adam, just so you are aware, the benefits we receive are taxed and as such that makes us tax payers too. I appreciate what you are saying, and all comments are welcome here (I do not operate comment moderation) so if you have a gripe, please feel free to get it off your chest. Maybe we can answer some of your concerns and shed a bit more light on why we bother to jump through the myriad of hoops we have to just to claim a benefit. Yes, there are people abusing the system , and we want them jailed if possible for fraud, but equally there are more (in this case the vast majority) of genuine claimants who are being treated as potential scroungers, because of the actions of the few. All we want is a fair hearing and this blog provides massive evidence that the system is wrong, thus indicating the need for change. So come on, tell us whats on your mind and enter the debate rather than heckling form the side lines.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 14, 2010 @ 9:19 am

  68. Hitler looked great to, till you got to the nitty gritty of it all. Research and comment Adam.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 14, 2010 @ 9:20 am

  69. Many disabled people do, unfortunately some dont, not because they dont want to, rather, because they physically cant.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 14, 2010 @ 9:21 am

  70. i have recd form to complete which i did and immediately {2 days later have instructed me 2 phone for medical appt with atos.i suffer from clinical depression which makes it hard for me to leave the house.i have never been unemployed but after a vicious attack;;;the loss of my father within a 3 week period forced me to go off work ill and as a consequence lost the job i loved after eleven years service. i went to an atos medical which gave me zero points i appealed and in aug.2009 won my appeal on mental illness with 18 points on 3 desciptors.now 5 months later they are asking me to attend another atos medical.i feel i cant face this and does anyone know if this is the norm. to have another medical so soon.i would appreciate any feedback. thanks…pat

    Comment by pat — February 15, 2010 @ 11:14 pm

  71. They instructed you to phone for a medical/ mmmmm thats unusual, can you tell us a bit more?

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 20, 2010 @ 9:42 pm

  72. Hi Folks.
    My current position is that I failed my first,so called Medical in March 2009 and this matter is currently in the hands of the Upper Tier tribunal, should thisd not resolve matters on my eligibility to ESA I shall seek leave to appeal to the High Court and House of Lords should this be required and even the European Court of Human Rights.To date I have managed matters with the assistance of my support network of various professions including Counsel.my affairs have now been placed with solicitors, as protocol dictates that Counsel by enlarge can only be briefed by a solicitor.
    I have recently been subjected to a second experience of Atos and it’s so called Medical Professional, on this occasion a Dr, which begs the question of what such a highly qualified person should choose this practise to work within,unless they are less than competent in the more diagnostic and curative theatres of practise. What has become abundantly clear to me is that Atos assessors and Decision Makers suffer from advanced delusions of grandeur due to the position of power in which they find themselves.I have given due consideration to the production of effergies of these people to sell on Sundays, but am assured by the hierachy of more traditional faiths that the market would be limited to those who wish to buy one to place on their desks dispite their personal pious view that they are better placed than ones GP to diagnose your health status.
    Any person who fails this so called Medical is allowed to continue to claim ESA as long as your Dr keeps giving you Medical Certificates until such time as you lose your First Tier appeal.
    With the benefit of hindsight I would have sough legal representation immediately as one is clearly involved in a complex legal process and they are better equiped to perform in such an environment, This should be available via the legal aid scheme.
    I am in a more fortunate position than most in that due to educational and professional background I am well aquainted with emminent professionals relevant to my claim and whilst to date I have not used them,I most certainly will do at my next First Tier hearing, which is likely to be lengthy.
    I have also lobbied my MP, who has been supportive of my position.In addition i have written to the Secretary of State, GMC and the Bar Society and currently await their reply.
    Should I be able to support any person in a simular situation as that of myself please feel free to seek access to my contact details from the reciever of this mail.
    I hereby give my position for my Email addy to be given to any person known to this site who requires support/advice and I consequently absolve the site from their responsibilities as laid down in the Data Protection Act

    Comment by J.Neville Topham — February 22, 2010 @ 7:43 am

  73. Cant wait to see the outcome, Keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 22, 2010 @ 8:10 am

  74. Re the comments of Adam Smith.
    From your views on the current situation it is reasonable to assume you are not in bad health and were obviously a person who is not blessed with any compassion for those less fortunate.Whilst not wishing you any harm,my concerns rest more with the bus should you have the misfortue to be knocked down by one.You are entitled to your opinion ” Opinions are like arseholes everyone has one but sadly not two are the same”.It is my opinion that your are a person who believes that you will not fall foul of illness,I also suggest that due to your lack of presenting your views in a verbose rational manner, you are most definitely not blessed with adequate education to enable you to do so.
    It is furthermore reasonable to conclude you may well be a person who believes in euthonasia for all to be carried out on the day before you reach pensionable age,without realising that all would include yourself.
    In my opinion the sooner you have a period of benefit dependancy the better,then perhaps you would be in a position to make better qualified statements on people less fortunate then yourself and if you would like to post in who’s employ you are,I should be most interested in assisting you in that matter,in the interest of educating you to the situations faced by others on a regular basis.
    My I also recommend that you graduate from reading newpapers in which Page 3 would seem the only content worthy of viewing,if your literacy skills are sufficient to allow understanding of the better quality press

    Comment by J.Neville Topham — February 22, 2010 @ 10:45 am

  75. RE Alan Clouds comment.
    Perhaps you may wish to consider contacting the Equality and Human Rights Commission and if they see your claim worthy of action they will act on your behalf irrespective of the outcome for free

    Comment by J.Neville Topham — February 22, 2010 @ 10:58 am

  76. I recieve comments from people in all walks of life, regretfully some are not what I or my readers want to hear, however, there is some value in knowing how those who percieve disability benefit claimants as spongers, lazy or other and more interestingly, where they actually get this perception from? As you quite rightly observe J perhaps the author is in good health, he doesnt say, on the other hand it is quite clear that Adam has a one sided view of disability claimants. Maybe he is “confused” and is relying upon programmes like the BBC’s “On the fiddle” which identifies those illegally claiming benefits and glorifies the actions of DWP investigators. There are no doubt many such cases and I wish the DWP well in thier efforts to apprehend these illegal claimants, and hopefully the law will be changed to ensure all those who are “fiddling” the system A) Pay every penny back B) Spend some time in prison regardless of the amount they stole and C) Thier cases are broadcasted in the press and on TV as a matter of course, just like the court round up in the local press. Methods like these will help to deter illegal claims and fraudsters whilst helping to put the minds of the tax paying public at rest. Of course, it would also mean changes within the existing system, ie the DWP would have to give respect back to GP.’s opinions on the health of thier patients and accept that as the basis of awarding benefits in stead of starting at the current point where every claim is trerated as potentially fraudulent untill proved otherwise.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 23, 2010 @ 8:29 am

  77. hi i have today lost my appeal in crown court , i was given dla high rate and the low care rate back in 92 after i had my left leg shot ,!!!i had a medical in 2001 and another in 2003 that was the last i heard from dwp untill december 2007 where i got a letter telling me to go to the local job centre plus for a meeting with the benifit fraud team ??? i was told id need legal advice , i went with my legal rep he told me to make no comment as this was a witch hunt , 3 years later i find myself sad and now looking to repay 12,000 pounds back dla was never means tested yet because i pushed my self further and further and i got my hgv , i now find that all that ive done is given our so called legal system my name to add to its fraud records , why oh why do we bother , i have only tried to better myself and not live on benifits yet im a fraudster ??? please if any one else has been mistreated by our wonderful legal system please get in touch i want to fight for our rights to be able to work and better ourselfs without fear !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by keairn — March 10, 2010 @ 1:24 am

  78. Yet another sad example of the DWP attacking the weak. Pitiful isnt it, any chance of the full story or have they gagged you? Take my advice and think carefully about where you put your cross at the next local and upcoming general election, both the prresent Government and the Tories have plans to attack the disabled and remove thier benefits at all costs. Vote for the party you think puts your rights as a disabled person first.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 10, 2010 @ 8:38 am

  79. i attended my medical today, 6 months later than i should of because the dwp failed to tell me i should have got one after 13 weeks, i only found out because a friend told me i wasnt getting paid the right ammount of money.i suffered an assault last june and suffered a fractured skull which left me paralised on one side of my face, loss of most of the use in my leg, unable to sleep, constant short term memory loss, deafness in one ear, loss of balance and constant headaches and after the way i was assesed today and the ignorance of the “doctor” i am now scared that they are going to put me on jsa, i want to go back to work but i am just not ready, the whole thing is just a joke.

    Comment by jonathan — March 12, 2010 @ 1:30 am

  80. OK J, Lets not jump the gun, although you and I know on average it is likely your benefits may be suspended. If this is the case you must appeal, first to the decision maker at your local Jobcentreplus. Remember these people are in a very difficult position as they are employed by an organisation which has a culture of bullying and are often fed misleading information from the cardboard cutout “Doctor”. Ring the local JC+ and ask for a copy of the “Doctors ” report immediately, you need to see what he has written about you at the earliest possible opportunity. With this in mind you should gather as much supporting evidence as you can from your G.P., specialists dealing with your case and any other official body or person you have come into contact with. Get in touch with and ask for advice from your local CAB, social services or Local Authority Welfare Rights Office. Next, in preparation for your appeal go through the “Doctors” report and challenge everything you consider to be untrue, assumed, downright lies etc. do this carefully and write an individual response to each of thier comments. I have produced an assessment form which I will be using as an aid memoir at my next “medical”, It may be of use to you in remembering things that happend during the “examination”. You can see it on the Assessing ATOS page of this blog. Good luck, I wish you well and please let us know of any future developments.

    As I have said previously. It is my intention to put both organisations under as much pressure as I possibly can in the fight for fairness and justice. With that in mind I am urging all readers to vote with thier feet at the next Local and the upcoming General Election and put their cross next to the party which is putting the rights of the disabled first, remember, both the present Government and the Tories have plans to make life harder for the disabled by attacking thier rights to benefits. We are clearly being sent a message that there will be no quarter given, I say letrs return the compliment and elect someone who cares about us.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 12, 2010 @ 8:40 am

  81. I came across the site today and after reading the comments etc was appalled and saddened to find so many cases and experiences similar my own. Tomorrow I go to my tribunal for ESA after a year and 4 mths of fighting a)to get it and b) to get it back. My experience with Athol Medical Services in Brighton was simply appalling. I was made to wait 2 hrs and 11 minutes past my appointment time suffering with severe back pain, inability to sit or stand for long periods to then spending less than 15 mins with the so called doctor and later finding her to have falsified the time I left. Luckily I called my husband on his mobile the minute I left and we still have that call log time. The, I am reluctant to call it an examination – I was certainly not told I could take a friend, representative etc – was cursory, lacking in expertise – unfortunately for the ‘doctor’ I worked as a nurse in the field of my disability and know the correct examination techniques – and at times irrelevant. I was asked totally inappropriate questions and despite not being able to hear a lot of what she said, it was reported that I do not have hearing problems, which will be a surprise to my ENT Consultant! The last thing she said to me was that I was entitled to appeal against the decision to be made from her report. She must have known at this point that my claim for continued ESA was going to fail and in my opinion, admitting that she was working to an agenda. This system appears to be criminally inefficient in the extreme and if I was being paranoid – completely corrupt.

    Comment by Lynne — March 14, 2010 @ 10:12 am

  82. HI ALL…Just having a look through the site and noticed the comments by an individual called Adam Smith,this is a wind up,he claims to be on IB as well,JEEEEEZ coming away with nonsense like that,absolutley nothing better to do with his time,wouldn’t be surprised if he actually worked for ATOS/DWP,AND A BNP voter,what a fucking waste of oxygen,would dearly love to meet this guy,he would recieve IB no problem after i had finished with him..!!!! DAVID…Bash the greedy,help the needy.

    Comment by David — March 21, 2010 @ 12:00 am

  83. hi guys, i have a medical in Thornaby next week and i am petrified. I suffer from depression anxiety and arthritis. I had a medical 3yrs ago and was accompanied by my cpn. This time i am seeing a psychology wellbeing practitioner appointed by the primary care mental health team. Unfortunately he cant come with me but my husband is going to accompany me and wondered if i had a letter from my pwp would it help me

    Comment by julie — March 23, 2010 @ 11:24 am

  84. First, dont panic. I know its a daunting situation but please try to remain calm. This is your best option because if you are strong, you will give the best answer to thier questions. Please find someone to accompany you, this will boost your confidence and tip the balance to your favour as you should feel less intimidated by the cardboard cut out (Who doesnt like it when people are accompanied, especially if they take notes). Take every bit of evidence you can with you and get your companion to show it to the cardboard cut out, that way he cant use the fact that you “handled paperwork without problems” or “Held paperwork in right hand” etc. Oh and yes, they do this, I can prove it. If they choose to ignore the evidence you provide and stop your benefits then you have some great amunition for your appeal, if it continues to be ignored then the Tribunal. I urge you to appeal, appeal, appeal if you need to, its the only way to get them to accept you are genuinely ill. If you dont appeal they win and you will become a statistic in thier favour. The DWP and thier enforcement arm ATOS have become a law unto themselves and are tarring everyone with the same brush, lets return the favour. I have designed an assessmnet form for our use when attending medicals, it helps you to record your visit and keeps the information fresh if you want to identify any descrepancies in the “Doctrors” report, or any Health and Safety issues you may have with the “Examination Centre” you can find it on the assessing ATOS page along with a contacts form in case you have to talk to them on the phone. The next thing I am urging people to do is to think carefully where they put thier x at the next General Election, I ask you not to vote Labour or Tory as thes fools have us and our right to benefits in thier sights, find the party you think has your interests at heart and vote for them whoever they may be. Good luck and keep us posted, if you can a good description of the medical centre would be good too.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 24, 2010 @ 8:04 am

  85. hi Jonathan…I noticed when reading the above,that you were assesed by the ATOS so called proffesional,and you believe you may fail their CWA,deduced by intuition,by observing doctors body language et al.If this is indeed the case and you dont score the required number of points,of course you will appeal to the tribunal…there is a way to present the tibunal with an eight point start ( You need fifteen in total) You say you are deaf in one ear,well according to their ( ie ATOS ) descriptors,if you can’t hear someone talking in a busy street,thats eight points at the tribunal on the spot,if you can prove it,and you can do this by arranging a hearing test at the hospital,and make sure you recieve from the nurse a GRAPH of your hearing test,it helped me enormously at the tribunal,gaining those vital points,the other points i gained on walking,less than so many metres, before needing to stop for a rest,which was another ten points in total,making eighten descriptor points in all,so those eight points were inperative,hope this helps a bit. BEST OF LUCK DAVID.

    Comment by Anonymous — March 27, 2010 @ 12:57 pm

  86. hi just to update you on my situation. just received a letter today to say my medical later this week has been cancelled and my file returned to my local dwp offices. Any ideas ????

    Comment by julie — March 30, 2010 @ 12:00 pm

  87. Maybe they cant find any reason to debunk what you have provided?

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 31, 2010 @ 6:28 am

  88. hi all well after waiting on legal advice im back to ask all the folks out there to help me and most of all help others to come , i need to find as many people as i can to back me up with my next appeal , i have been to hell and back though our legal system , i had a gun shot wound to my leg back in 91 it was rebuilt by st james hospital leeds and other work done by lgi leeds , after about a year i was fitted with a caliper and was left to sit at home a claim benifits for the rest of my life ………… but i was not the type of person to sit on my bum and let the benifit system keep me sat in a chair on the bread line,so with alot of self punishment and pushing myself further and further i managed to gain my hgv i have driven a truck now for about eight years , alone came dwp and now all what i have done has been used against me and now im looking at a 12k bill and a conviction for fraud , this is where i need the help of anyone that knows anyone that has or is in the same posion as myself , as i am now looking for anyone who has a leg injury or that kind of disability, that has gone on to better themselfs , as i now have had two court hearings and both judges have said that thay both feel that i have lied from day one , as its impossable for a disabled person to have a job like mine as its impossable for a disabled person to drive trucks this i find to be total rubbish and im now appealing to the high court and i want as much info as i can get to support my case as i feel i am being used as a escape goat for dwp, i have more pride than the muppets that sit behinds desks and judge us sure i have a disability but im not dead !!!!!!!!! i have the human right to work and feed my family and not live in a concil house , i didnt want this i wanted more and i pushed and pushed myself sometime to i was bleeding , but our court say i lie !!!! even though ive got a 30 page medical report supporting what ive said !!!!!!!! please please , HELP ME AND IN TURN HELP OTHERS LIKE OURSELFS , I will not back off i will fight to the very end , i have had two court hearings and my next is the appeal courts london after that its the human rights courts >>>>>>>i will be willing to supply my phone numbers or email i hope a few of you can help me out !!!!!!!!

    Comment by keairn — March 31, 2010 @ 4:49 pm

  89. I sympathise with you and hope the readers will respond in kind, however, there are other ways of demonstrating that disabled people, even those who have lost limbs can lead the life of a fully abled person, providing they are willing to push themselves as you have done. Just take a look at those disabled athletes who have recently competed in the Olympic Winter Games? I was astonished to see amputees sking in the slalom? unbelievable. Please be aware, I would prefer it if you did not give out your email or number, please also be aware I do not, will not use comment moderation, and if you do give personal details, they will appear automatically.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 31, 2010 @ 10:58 pm

  90. thank you for your remarks i wish our legal system would have a open mind like yourself and think of things like the olympics , but what the court have said is that because of my illness i cannot be a truck driver and be disabled ??????????? thats the issue that i need help with the fact that we can still do a job !!

    Comment by keairn — March 31, 2010 @ 11:25 pm

  91. maybe someone could give me a web address of a sight where i might find others in my situation many thanks keairn

    Comment by keairn — March 31, 2010 @ 11:30 pm

  92. Had a look at what kearin said, and im a little confused, you say you have a job as a truck driver, in that case obviously you cant claim benefit, and i have to assume your not claiming benefit, if thats the case what your working as, is absolutley none of the DWPs business.

    Is it possible you could clarify the situation some more, would be interesting to see how you got on kearin.

    Thanks from DAVID.

    Comment by David — April 17, 2010 @ 11:38 am

  93. Hello everyone,

    I got an Incapacity for work questionaire back in January.My daughter filled it in and returned it.I also got a g.p.’s letter of support and included that as well.Because i have severe anxiety and ocd.The letter basically said that when my anxiety is severe i cannot leave my house.I’ve just received a letter from DWP,it says that i don’t have to have a medical.I was going insane with worry over the last two months making everyone’s life intolerable.My advise is get a doctor’s letter of support and also press for a home visit.Make them come to you rather than the other way round!If you walk in to any one of their examination centers your fit for work.I’ve been told that DWP welcome letters from G.P’s and psychiatrists as a back up. I hope you are all ok and get the good news you deserve. David

    Comment by David — April 19, 2010 @ 10:13 am

  94. hi everyone, just came across this site and thought i would describe the abomanation of of a medical i had. my medical took place in pontllanfraith, blackwood, gwent, south wales. i was told by the receptionist that because i was there about a spinal problem that i would have to see 2 doctors and coul take up to 2 hours to finish my exam. within 30 minutes i was out of my examination and told by the examiner ( dr raluca capatana who i couldnt really understand her due to being of mexican or spanish origin ) that i didnt need to see another docter. during the exam she was fixated to the computer screen. i was asked about 4 or 5 questions and all other answers were taken from my esa50 booklet and then was asked to do the physical. i was asked to bend over in which i replied i cant and she replied just see how far u can bend which i replied back i cant. i was then asked to get on the bed which was easy as because im tall i was basicaly sitting on it anyway. i lead down with great difficulty and struggled to move my legs. i then struggled to get back up. i was then told my medical was over.
    i received a letter stating that i made 0 points and was fit for work, but when i asked for a copy of the report they refused. a few days later i asked to appeal against decision and was told there was no point as i probably wouldn’t get accepted. i phoned up again next day and found there is at least 1 decent person that works there as she said there was no reason why i couldn’t be accepted for my appeal due to my circumstances.

    a few months later i moved homes and changed my address with all the usual, when i asked the social for number for the tribuneral service the told me that it would automatical be changed over. I sent a letter to the social asking for information on when my tribuneral would be and received no reply. after about 20 calls and 7 months of waiting managed to talk to the same angel as before and was told to contact tribunal service to investigate and was given number. tribunal service said that because i had changed address the paper work was sent to old address and i should have informed them regardless of what the social had said.

    the tribunal service sent me letter through stating that if i wanted to include any other evidence in the case i would have to send it to them as i should already have a copy of my submission papers from the social. suprise suprise that the social sent those to the wrong address even after i informed them of moving house. when i received the papers at new house noticed that only two of my letters were attatched to the paperwork and everything else was missing. i had sent originals off to them first but after a while sent copies as the same had happened to my partner at her appeal.

    can anyone advise me any further actions before i go to my tribuneral? thanks for reading
    karl hodder

    Comment by karl hodder — May 13, 2010 @ 8:31 pm

  95. As I understand it you are allowed to appeal, you are entitled to a copy of your medical report and ATOS or the Jobcentre can not refuse you access to it. The next point I want to address is that of you being told not to bother appealing as you would not be accepted? do you have a record of the conversation you had? or the name of the person who said this? They should not be telling you your appeal would not be accepted as (a) thay are not psychic and can not predict the outcome of any appeal and (b) have no legal right to say this to anyone? Use the contact form I have posted on the assessing ATOS page, make a record of the time, date, number and name of the people you talk to when calling or taking calls from the DWP. In future, you must tell everyone you need to of your change of address, its important to remember that nothing happens automatically! someone or something must happen to trigger the change and I would never trust the likes of ATOS or the DWP in matters of this nature, they will use any excuse to cloud the situation. Finally try to arrange some sort of advocate to attend with you, contact your local CAB or local authority welfare rights officer, it is always wise to be represented at tribunals. Make sure you have all of the evidence you can get to support what you say, make sure everything is in date order to make it easier for you to find and keep to the facts. Good luck and keep us posted

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 13, 2010 @ 10:54 pm

  96. Seems there’s a running theme here with ATOS… my wife has been a recipient of IB since 2002 and has gone through 3 of their medicals with no problems. However late last year we moved to Herts (From Bristol) and she was called in for a medical last November. They awarded her 10 points (requires 15), so we requested a reexamination which was upheld… so it’s now gone to tribunal.

    I’ve contacted a local solicitor who’s reviewed our case and has submitted evidence to the DWP that from their own ATOS medical notes she should have been awarded 62 points(!). No sign of the tribunal date yet though. The exam was early November, the benefits were stopped in December and the appeal was acknowledged in March.

    How long is the typical delay between the tribunal being recognised and it actually taking place?

    Comment by Tony P — May 23, 2010 @ 6:13 pm

  97. hi tony, i ve enquired a lot about this and it keeps coming up 4 – 6 months, if you hve moved make sure you have informed the tribuneral service yourself as i was told it was done automatically but this delayed my waiting period

    Comment by karl hodder — May 24, 2010 @ 3:47 am

  98. With me it was 3 months for the Decision Maker to reply and a further 6 months before the tribunal, though if your case is going toTribunal you should recieve notice pretty quickly. One thing I will say is do not tick the box which asks if you are prepared to accept a short notice Tribunal as these can often be sprung upon you at very short notice and it is often difficult to get your representative to turn up as they are sometimes busy. Next if your solicitor cant attand as your rep, contact your Local Authority Welfare Rgights Officer or the CAB to provide representation which you should have at any Tribunal. Good luck and keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 24, 2010 @ 7:59 am

  99. Yes, I too have been told this doesnt happen automatically and neither ATOS or the DWP are likely to do it for you as it woul dbe against thier advantage to do so. Give them a call directly, its quicker and more reliable than the post.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 24, 2010 @ 8:00 am

  100. Hi guys,

    We’ve already sent the form back with the short-notice box checked actually, but never mind. Our solicitor is confident that we could win our case without any formal representation, with just myself attending as my wife’s support figure. She said she’d be more than happy to attend but she would have to charge for her time (understandable), which would be about £200. Having read some of the replies on here and that if we won they would have to back-pay almost a year’s worth of IB I’m wondering if I should go back to her and sign up…

    I’ll let you know how it goes :)

    Comment by Tony P — May 24, 2010 @ 8:22 am

  101. I just found this on my search through the net http://welfarewatch.myfineforum.org/ftopic26-0.php

    These tips or points as you may want to call them may be of benefit to people

    1. Walk slowly to the exam room
    2. Do not make eye contact
    3. Do not dress smartly
    4. Take a friend
    5. Get your friend to take notes and if possible record the session on a tape recorder
    6. Do not sit in the chair for more than 10 minutes
    7. Complain all the time of feeling nervous and unwell
    8. Regardless of what the doctor asks you, tell your entire story to him/her
    9. Take as long as you want and do not let the doctor end the exam until you are sure that you have explained everything that is wrong with you

    If you allow the doctor to control the exam and throw you out after about 15 minutes…..YOU WILL FAIL

    Comment by Dean — May 24, 2010 @ 10:46 pm

  102. I would always have representation with some experience of dealing with tribunals if possible.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 25, 2010 @ 6:31 am

  103. Right on, it is essential you take control of the situation, not only is it good for your own self esteem, it also makes it difficult for the ATOS puppet to dismiss what you are saying.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 25, 2010 @ 7:03 am

  104. Exactly dwp I took control of mine not by choice but because the medication side effects were there to see, but I wouldn’t put it past ATOS to say either I refused or was faking the side effects yet every site about the side effects lists sleepiness or tiredness as a side effect of just about all the medication & speech problems with 1 tablet.
    Monday I will have to be dragged out of bed by my daughter to take me to the pathways to work interrogation, so that is more time wasted sat there virtually in a zombie state or slowly falling asleep like at the ATOS centre. This company running the pathways to work programme will make sure that you get though all 6 of the visits required so they are paid even if you are not awarded ESA, The pathways to work programme should not start until you are granted the ESA allowing them to do it before then paying them should be banned or they should only pay for those who are granted ESA, that would stop them wanting to push people through the pathways to work programme.

    Comment by Dean — June 4, 2010 @ 10:17 pm

  105. I think it shouldnt start untill you are actually ready to return to work? what other point can these “visits” have other than to allow the DWP to flex thier muscles?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 5, 2010 @ 5:05 pm

  106. The system used for assessments was designed by an American Insurance company – Unum Provident. It is based on the bio-psychosocial model a theory that has been around, and disputed, for 50 years. The system was adopted by the DWP, at that time the chief medical/science adviser was Dr Mansel Aylward. Now a Professor he is head of the UNUM faculty at Cardiff university. This faculty supplies ‘evidence’ to the DWP to justify continued use of the bio-psychosocial model. Unum were fined $23million in California for failing to pay out benefits to policyholders. They used the bio-psychosocial model to justify this. Under this model and according to Prof. Aylward pain, breathlessness and fatigue can be ignored in “the vast majority of cases because they are psychsomatic”. Note that the DWP is aware of this and turns a blind eye for which it has been crticised by the select committee for work & pensions on many occasions. Atos are under no illusions as to the unspoken terms of their £50million contract. Both the DWP and Atos have sent me letters stating they are under “no obligation” to seek, consult or consider a claimant’s medical records. In law the words examination and assessment have a meaning. Examination is to establish fact, assessment is an estimate. Providing no deliberate intention to deceive can be shown an assessment need not be accurate. However if they ‘misrecord’ your statements either by omitting them or changing them and you can prove it (witness, recording) you might be able to pursue an action under the Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981. This makes it an offence to produce or proffer an instrument knowing it to be false. Use your mobile phone to send a text to a witness when entering Atos buildings and again when leaving – this gives an independent to the second record of time taken which can be used to dispute accuracy of the medical report. You have a legal right to make an ‘aide memoire’ of the assessment a secret recording can be made provided you do not share the recording with anybody else. You can then complain with a written, verbatim statement of what was/was not said. Should the case ever come to court a judge can order that the recording be played as evidence.

    Comment by Heartstopper — June 10, 2010 @ 7:41 am

  107. hi, just thought that i would let u know how my tribunal went. i represented myself but had my partner with me to help me walk. after pointing out a few facts that my medical was just a complete and utter shambles, the doctor reveiwing me saw this and laughed and dismissed the report from atos. after being scored 0 points at my medical the doctor was discusted and made the decision to score me 18 points. i will point out that when you receive your medical report ready for the tribunal makesure you read it from cover to cover and make sure that there are no mistakes as 1 mistake could make the report void, i found 27 mistakes with mine the main one stating that i was unable to bend but could still bend to put my shoes and socks on.

    i phoned the job centre recently as i have not heared from them and was told that i was still in the work related group as i didnt have a serious enough injury to stop me working (bear in mind i cant walk without help and im unable to move or lift things without severe pain). so if you win your tribunal be prepaired as it seams like they dont want to leave people in peace and now i have to go back to work related groups. I have been doing computer courses and aparently this isnt good enough.
    so its possible to win your tribunal if you use your head stay calm and explain your cercumstances to the tribunal, good luck to all and hope you get the result your looking for

    Comment by karl hodder — June 17, 2010 @ 11:35 am

  108. Hi Karl.

    Great news and good work, how about this for a mistake on my ESA 85 report, it seems that Apparently ( I can use an alarm clock, with the help of another person ) of course i pointed this out on my GL 24 form with the statement : While flipping through my ESA 85, the first comment that caught my eye et al was page 5 where it says ( I can use an alarm clock with the help of another person ) Since i’m not claiming to be brain dead, i will let that comment amongst others go, and truthfully mention the descriptors that are relevant and do affect my health, severely reducing my capacity for work.

    That was a month ago, and i’m still waiting the decision makers reply.

    Dont forget the brown envelope’s coming back in a couple of months with the news of a fresh assessment, there’s going to be no let up.

    Comment by David — June 20, 2010 @ 3:29 pm

  109. Still waiting on a tribunal date here, but we had similar issues with our ATOS medical report. In it they claimed that my wife could stand with no problems for 30+ minutes, however their own report states that the medical lasted for 28 minutes, 10 of those minutes were spent in a standing position doing the stretching/bending “tests”…

    Comment by TonyP — June 20, 2010 @ 4:19 pm

  110. Technically, ATOS aren’t examining, they’re following a script aimed at assessing… but not very well!

    Comment by TonyP — June 24, 2010 @ 8:30 pm

  111. If you atend your medical at the first attemp, they use it aganist you at a later tribunal, they said to me you managed to get to your 6 appointments 1 every month for ESA, and the ATOS medical apointment with out missing any, so phone up and say your sick ect, so at least miss some.
    Also a nurse saw me but I had a new medical problem so she said she must go upstairs and get a DR to see me as I had not told them of my new problem, remember they are not your frend and our only their to get you off the sick.

    Comment by David — August 27, 2010 @ 11:35 am

  112. If you attend your medical – and collapse… they dismiss it, and order you to to attend another… till they can carry out some sort of examination, and then lie about the facts.
    I’ve had 3 medical examinations, not one says I’m fit for work, but not one says I’m entitled to DLA.
    My tribunal date isn’t due till the year 2011… I can waut!
    Till then, they can whistle for anything else that entitles me to ESA – all of £50+ per week with the extras they’re taking off me for an overpayment that they mistakingly overlooked!
    I live beneath the poverty line and want my appeal to justify every which way and fact that the DWP expect me to live on.
    If I could find an employer to employ me, I’d be laughing.
    I can’t even think, let alone organise my daily routines… and thanks to ATOS I looked alright, therefore I am…
    I demand what’s due to me and will pursue this case to the end.
    ATOS are a bunch of wanking could-have-been doctors… that’s all!

    Comment by Franka — August 28, 2010 @ 3:35 am

  113. Hi

    Been reading your experiences and would like to add my own.

    My wife who is disabled with arthritis all over her body ranging from mild to Severe, she also suffers with secondary Fybromayalgia, Depression, Tinitus.

    She applied for Disability recently and was refused, on appeal the DWP sent a so called Independant Health care Professional from ATOS to assess her, it was a farce from start to finish, he was at our house for 40 minutes, he wasn’t interested in anything she had to say even her telling him that she was going to have two total knee replacements (she had 1 one them approx 4.5 months after he visited), his examination was laughable, he got her to walk approx 3 metres, he talked to her, that was it, with this he said she can walk 100 metres without pain or discomfort in 1 minute 20 and then she would only have to stop for 5 to 10 seconds, she can cook a meal, wash, go up and down stairs, well basically everything a non disabled person can do. He even got her to take her prescribed wrist braces off so he could put down on the report that she didn’t use any aids(she has bad arthritis in her fingers and wrists by the way, she has crutches and a Zimmer frame for when she gets bad, we have had the Social Services fitting hand rails everywhere, they are going to put in a walk in shower, my wife has a Disability Blue Badge for the car, he wasn’t interested in any of this and none of it went on his report.

    Most of his report was fabricated with things he couldn’t possibly know and not a medical fact in sight, he even insinuated in his report that he thinks she was over exagerating her condition. The report was a disgrace

    For anybody that reads this, if you have to have a Health Care Professional visit, they are not independant even though they try and tell you they are, they tell the DWP exactly what they want to hear to refuse you. They use NO factual medical evidence whatsover. I have made a short complaint to ATOS at the moment, and if they don’t respond, I’m reporting this particular so called Health Care Professional to the General Medical Council as my wife’s depression has got a lot worse because of his report full of fairy tales.

    Comment by Gerry Edson — September 1, 2010 @ 7:50 pm

  114. P.S Here are some interesting links, there is a load of stuff on them but it’s worth going through, I found out some very interesting things, for example, to be classified as virtually unable to walk DO NOT say that you are in severe pain when you walk as they don’t count severe pain as a physical problem, they look for the words SEVERE DISCOMFORT. Also beware that you might not be able to get DLA if you use walking aids, like crutches etc. you can even be refused if you are in a wheelchair or the weirdest one of all is if you have no feet but have prosthetics(artificial ones) then you can walk and you don’t qualify for Mobility. It’s a riveting read.




    Comment by Gerry Edson — September 1, 2010 @ 8:03 pm

  115. If you have not, you must ring your local Jobcentre and request a copy of your medical report. They will try to fob you off by saying they have no access to the reports, this is true as you are likely to be dealing with a front line operative, be persistent and firm without being rude or shouting, insist you are put through to someone who does have access to medical reports and demand a copy be sent to you. It is your right to have this and they can not deny you access to it. Once you have the report you should go through it with a fine tooth comb and highlight any inconsistencies, assumptions, fabrications and lies in that order. Take your time, do this over a number of days, if you get frustrated stop and come back to it later, more importantly, get in touch with your local Authority Welfare Rights Officer or the C.A.B. Either will assist you but you must decide which organization you want to work with. Wait for the DM to give you thier opinion and if it is a denial of benefits then follow the appeals process, request a gl24 or the ESA equivalent and write out your appeal. Remember you must only focus on the facts and when challenging the ATOS cardboard cut outs report you must have evidence to support what you are saying. Tribunals do not accept evidence from friends, families etc your evidence must be from your own GP or specialist. You can complain to ATOS about the “Doctor” or the examination. ATOS must investigate your complaint and will reply informing you it will take at least 20 days to do so. Do not give all of your reasons for complaining in the first letter, this will no doubt be ignored by ATOS, keep the pressure on by going into detail with your second letter, remember keep the pressure on both the DWP and ATOS. Check out the assessing atos page on this blog for an assessment form and above all a contact form. It is essential that you keep accurate details of any contact with the DWP or ATOS for your tribunal. Visit our sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org where you will also find like minded people you can discuss your issues with and some useful letter templates. Good luck and keep us

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 2, 2010 @ 8:17 am

  116. Ive just found this informative website and I am going for my first ATOS medical in 2 weeks time in Guldford, Surrey, taking along with me my son. I have 6 stents, Lupius SLE for 17 years, had 2 heart attacks, COPD and cannot have anesetetic as my COPD levels are so low. I also broke my ankle 2 years ago (all 3 bones went) and endured a 5 hour op via epidural with 2 plates and 11 pins fitted. I will be taking all my Consultants and GP letters, medication etc with me when I go. I also have a copy of my oiriginal ESA50 form and may sit there and go through that with them at the time. I have only been claiming benefit for the last 2 months and have been working full time all my life up untul Feb this year when they wanted me to undergo a triple bypass but I couldnt have it done. I just hope that I have enough ammo to sustain my benefit payments!

    Comment by Jo — September 2, 2010 @ 12:28 pm

  117. Keep us posted, check out our sister forum at http://www.dwpexamination.org where you will meet other like minded individuals and find a mine of information. Also check out the assessing atos page on this blog where I have posted an assessment tool and contact sheet. You need to make notes of every contact you have with the DWP or ATOS from now on, they will be invaluable at appeal later if they stop your benefits.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 2, 2010 @ 6:56 pm

  118. Jo, Please don’t be worried by this but you must understand the Atos HCP will not sit and discuss anything with you,they have a set routine which they will stick to regardless of what you wish to say or do.
    By all means take a list of your medication but you will find they will give scant regard to your Doctors or Consultants reports.These reports should be sent to your local JCP with a letter asking them to be scrutinised by the Decision Maker dealing with your case.The only way to beat these scum is to go prepared.You will be questioned on various things that you do at home,things you think are immaterial but your answers can condemn you,such as “can you make a cup of tea” if you answer yes you most likely will be found fit for work.
    Your answer must always be NO my husband/daughter/son/a friend does it for me.Do not think of this as lying they have made the WCA a trap which everyone falls into.You can only fight fire with fire.
    You must,when asked how far you can walk 50m-100m-200m “I am in chronic pain and severe discomfort from the first step to the last”
    Severe discomfort and chronic pain at all times must be stated for any other physical movement,try to keep your answers short if you try to embellish you will fall into a trap,if bending etc causes pain decline to do it saying it will undoubtedly cause me severe discomfort.
    When asked to do the physical arm movements take it slow they try to rush you into doing things fast ,another trap,ask them to show you again what to do.Do them slowly if you can.
    When sat down you must stand up every few minutes 5mins at the most ,when stood up you must sit down after a few minutes 2mins at the most.Fidget all the time.
    Act slightly daft,do not go well dress but do not go scruffy,miss your morning meds appearing tired or in pain is a help.
    Do not open any doors wait for the HCP to open them ,do not pull out the chair let your companion do it,do not bend to pick anything up if it happens to fall on the floor.
    When asked to get on the couch First ask if it can be lowered .It can’t,there is a box to step on ignore it at first go to the side of the box place your bottom against the couch ,holding on to the couch carefully step side ways onto the box one foot at a time,you should now be sat on the couch pain showing and out of breath.
    Remember you are not at Hospital ,these people are not there to help you.The above is a small guide you must be aware at all times they are looking to trap you,from approaching the centre until you are out of site of the centre you are at risk.

    Comment by ESA veteran — September 7, 2010 @ 4:32 pm

  119. Gerry go through the medical report over and over again things often are missed the first time round,look for facts you can prove.Example Is the HCP making a statement of fact when saying your wife sat for 30mins.If it is then you can fight it but if it is an opinion they are allowed to make it,the wording of it is important.
    IE. “client was obseved sat in chair for 30mins” is a statement of fact,if the assessment lasted less than 30 mins then ALL other observations or statements are contradictory and thus open to challenge.
    My WCA lasted 27mins and this 30min statement of fact was made in my report,I complained both to Atos and the DWP and won in both cases but it takes many letters and a long time.
    They will first argue that the statement is your wife could be expected to sit for 30+ if you can prove it is a statement of fact they will eventually give in Expect to have to fight for 6 to 9 months if you win you will get small compensation and another WCA (I did) you will then be well prepared for this.
    Alternately you could enter a new claim on the grounds your wifes condition has deteriorated due to the stree anxiety etc.
    there are more than one way to skin a cat see above post to Jo

    Comment by ESA veteran — September 7, 2010 @ 4:49 pm

  120. Some great advice from ESA veteran.
    I attended a medical earlier this year and could not believe what was in my report!
    I wore a shawl, and when I had to be examined on the couch, I let it slip off me… but the ATOS examiner wrote that I had no problems removing my jacket… and did it without any help.
    I had help to get onto the couch… yet it states I did it by myself and without any difficulty or help!
    I’m thankful my daughter was with me… taking notes.
    It’s so wrong and inhumane!!!
    But never give up the fight, because that’s exactly what they expect you to do.

    Comment by Franka — September 8, 2010 @ 7:37 am

  121. Franka, tell them you want a copy of the CCTV evidence of when you were in the building as they have made a false allegation not only about you having no problems removing your jacket but even what you were wearing. Ive told them I want a copy of the CCTV as they said my examination took an hour and fifteen minutes!

    Comment by Anonymous — September 8, 2010 @ 12:33 pm

  122. Thanks for the good advice, I went through the report again and found a couple more errors
    How he worded most of it was using terms like ‘in all probability’ and ‘clinical findings’
    In one early part of the report he mentions my wife’s Tinitus then later on in it he states that she hasn’t got a hearing impairment
    In the box stating ‘would the claimant have difficulty walking out of doors’, he ticked YES, but the only thing he put in the box regarding it was ‘claimant walked indoors’. He also said my wife can put on socks, she has never worn socks since she left school.
    Another thing he refers to, is a hedge across the road from our house, He said my wife said that she could walk to it(she never said it by the way, she told him she couldn’t)and he puts it’s distance at 25 to 30 metres, it’s only approx 10 metres, so obviously he hasn’t got a good sense of distance, I might be able to use that one because if he can’t judge 25-30 metres in distance how can he judge 100 metres
    Even though he uses clinical findings, there is a part on the report where it says he has to have medical evidence to support his clinical findings.
    It’s amazing what you find when you read it over and over again, I think that when you read it the first time you are so shocked at what they have said that you don’t look at the small details, I shall read it a few more times before our next appeal

    Comment by gerry edson — September 8, 2010 @ 3:41 pm

  123. Disability is not a joke, we dont treat it as such and as genuinely disabled people we know the system is seriously flawed. I assume you have no real disability and are committing fraud, and therefor are probably the reason genuinely disabled people are tarred with the same brush as fraudsters like you. I hope you get caught and sent to jail.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 22, 2010 @ 7:15 am

  124. I think you will find if you look back on all the comments on this site and others that ‘YOU PEOPLE’ as you like to call them are not complaining or making a big story about being disabled, but as you fine well know are making a big story about ATOS/DWP corruption.
    So dont try and be the smartass you certainly are not.

    Ok then tusker78 who hasn’t got the guts to at least give us a real name, lets just analyse what you have written.
    You say you sent in a written note and i’d won my appeal, and the medical is a breeze, so if you have been for a medical with ATOS, then how come you are the only person in the whole of the UK who thinks it’s all a BREEZE.
    And another thing, the tribunals dont just accept notes, what do you mean a note ?
    And what’s this… YOU PEOPLE… tusker ? doesn’t sound like your one of us.
    And could you please explain what you won ? tell us then… you won what ?
    The truth is you didn’t send in any note to a tribunal, or will be elegible for any medical or have had any dealings with ATOS/DWP because you are not ill or disabled.

    Have you a relative who works for ATOS/DWP… tusker or whatever your name is, and you are worried about all this bad publicity and how it’s going to affect their job in the future, what with all the cuts an all, because in your heart tusker you know ATOS/DWP are corrupt and are going to be exposed sooner or later, and thats whats really worrying you isn’t it tusker.

    Since you obviously haven’t got a clue about ATOS medicals, or has a clue what it’s really like to have to jump through every hoop going just to survive (You just sent in a note, who are you trying to kidd) and hasn’t got a clue about the whole rotten system, so then tusker why dont you just sit down in a little corner somewhere and shut up..!!

    Oh and by the way tusker…GOOD LUCK.

    Comment by David — September 22, 2010 @ 7:58 am

  125. Well obviously Tusker has never had any dealings with the Tribunal Service or the DWP as he clearly doesn’t know their rules, I have my wife has been to two in person and has been refused on both occasions even though they could clearly see she had genuine disabilities

    As for a NOTE to the Tribunal, our experience is the Tribunal Service doesn’t even want to accept factual medical evidence from your own personal doctors/consultants and will try and find any loophole they can where they don’t have to accept it. Some factual stats, if you don’t attend the hearing you only stand a 25% chance of winning it, if you attend on your own it’s only 45% and lastly, you only stand a 65% chance even if you are represented

    So Tusker, grow up

    Comment by gerry edson — September 22, 2010 @ 10:47 am

  126. Guys, stop feeding the trolls :)

    Still nothing to report on my wife’s claim really, we’re still waiting for the tribunal date. The request went in at the end of March so we’re now 6 months and counting. I rang them a few weeks ago and was “promised” it’d be within a month… I’m not holding my breath!

    Comment by Tony P — September 22, 2010 @ 10:59 am

  127. Tony P

    Have you visited this site, if not I would advise you do before you attend the Tribunal hearing


    Comment by gerry edson — September 22, 2010 @ 11:14 am

  128. just updating everyone. i too failed my medical due to the examiner twisting my answers and putting in false information she even refused to use any of my medical information from doctors and specialists i was score 0 points. when i received my notes for the tribunal i read through the medical part to find out there were over 30 mistakes and lies. the report said i was in there for 45 mins when actually i was inthere for just under 15. when i attended the tribunal and showed them my findings they laughed at them and wanted to know how the examiner had come to this conclusion, they then scored me 18 points on their behalf.
    all i can sugest is when you receive your paperwork for your tribunal is to read through it cafully and slowly and ask someone like citizens advice for their opinion, make sure there are no mistakes and if there are it can cause the whole report to be biased and unreliable. anyway good luck to all going

    Comment by karl — September 22, 2010 @ 11:45 am

  129. Attending an Appeals Tribunal is daunting,people think they can go and explain how they are and how Atos cheated them,this is not the case.
    The main aim of going to appeal is to show the descriptors you believe you should have been awarded points on and to prove the reasons you believe this to be the case.
    Understanding the descriptors is imperative,your written evidence must be factual and to the point.
    The Tribunal will not be judging Atos,if you think items in your medical report are wrong ,you must offer facts to prove this.
    The Tribunal will accept the Atos HCP’s opinion,your differing opinion is not accepted,facts will always beat opinions.Case Law is very helpful quoting case law can win you appeals(see dwp examination, what can we do,for examples of these).Points of law are the only things the Upper Tribunal deal with, to go to them you must get professional advice.
    Being represented is very important.
    Write notes to read from but have I have said Facts not rants.
    Do not forget winning an appeal is not the end,you will be called for further WCA’s as and when the DWP see fit,this could be directly after winning an appeal, if it has taken a long time to get to appeal.
    All dealings with the DWP, Atos and Tribunals cause masive amounts of paper work,everything must be copied and kept for future reference.
    Good Luck to all

    Comment by ESA veteran — September 23, 2010 @ 7:51 pm

  130. Hi,
    maybe your trying too hard mate.

    I only related my experience as i saw it.did not submit any medical evidence to the tribunal just sent the appeal copy of my medical back to them stating ‘i will just be brief’ and saying that nothing changed since the medical and the doctor was incorrect in what he heard(about 15 lines of info) me say…no ‘war and peace’ story’s.

    I had 9 points to start with mind you and they made it upto 15…success..don’t know why,there’s nothing wrong with me…lucky day.

    Comment by john harrison — September 24, 2010 @ 2:39 pm

  131. Yes sure John that’s very funny, no wonder genuine claimants are having a hard time, when there’s scroats like you around, actually boasting about cheating the taxpayer as well, thats sickening John, and god knows how you can get your head down at night.
    Cheers John and thanks for that, Britains proud of you..!!

    (PS) Perhaps the administrator will pass your internet protocol address on to the relevant fraud authority, let us know if your still laughing then..!!

    Comment by David — September 24, 2010 @ 3:04 pm

  132. I knew you were an asshole tusker, let me see now, let me just guess, you have a pitbull dont you tusker, and loads of tattoos, and a blow up doll with a Union Jack all over your lard ass.

    Tusker i really dont mean you any harm, i actually believe you are mentally ill, and deserve to be in the support group.
    Thanks for your compassionate support mate..!!

    Comment by David — September 24, 2010 @ 3:14 pm

  133. That’s great tusker cheers mate, it’s good to see someones getting some enjoyment and happiness when their ill..!!

    I wish you the best of luck.

    Comment by David — September 24, 2010 @ 3:41 pm

  134. Life’s a bitch and then you die!!!

    incapacity and other benefits were not supposed to be for life there here to help genuinely sick people there not a lifestyle alternative to work,which they have become overthe last 30 years or so.
    Now things have gotta change just like pensions or the raising of the age to claim them.
    Many people come to this country looking for economic advantage and can’t be arsed to work knowing full well that there own people live in poverty.go to africa and see how real peoplesurvive and are happy to live a productive life,satisfied with there lot.
    nobody in this country can ever know what surviving really means as they have a place to sleep and food to eat and widescreen to watch and they only have to sign a paper…not very taxing.If you get £65 a week and a house thats all you need to eat…mobility cars and scooters are utter nonsense and should be banned.personal resposibility is the key.Things are a changing and the time has come for each person to act on there own and stop bleeding the system.

    Comment by troll-87 — September 24, 2010 @ 5:40 pm

  135. People shouldn’t rise to these idiots slagging off the sick and vulnerable, just think one day they or a member of their family (unless they are orphans) might fall seriously ill and the last laugh will be on them, they will be eating their words when they try and claim sickness benefits and see just how corrupt the whole system is becoming, and just how difficult it is to claim

    Obviously they have no idea of what’s going on in this country at the moment

    Comment by gerry edson — September 24, 2010 @ 7:14 pm

  136. The type of people (To quote Eminem) who laugh at people who die in plane crashes etc, as long as it’s not happening to them !!
    It’s just unfortunate for the country that people like John Harrison, Tusker, Tuskey, who i believe is the same person, are/is almost certainly breeding and diluting the gene pool with their/his pond life spawn !!

    Comment by David — September 24, 2010 @ 7:40 pm

  137. Nobody’s slagging anyone off but the systen has corrupted itself and is inherant.Things need to change and the only way is to reform, without this those who really need help will suffer more.The only way is to weed out the cancer and get people who can do something back to work.You have to be cruel to be kind.The next generation will not have these dependancy problems.Long live ‘The Coalition’

    Comment by troll-87 — September 24, 2010 @ 7:43 pm

  138. Listen Troll-87, the government has employed an American private company called ATOS to get sick people back to work and this company being private are in it to make a huge profit and it seems they don’t care whether true and genuine sick people get hurt in the process.
    Most long term disabled don’t choose it as a lifestyle, nearly all would love to be able to do what fit and healthy people can do, but sadly they can’t
    Fair enough there are fraudsters in the system, but why isn’t the Government/DWP sorting this out themselves, why have they got a profit making private company in to do it?
    IMO, as usual in this country money and profits are more important than people
    Don’t believe the Government propaganda, the majority of sick and disabled are not scroungers, most have worked for decades but because of serious illnesses/disabilities had to stop working.
    The government should be targeting the benefit fraudsters not tar every disabled person with the same brush, how it’s happening at the moment, you are guilty until you prove your innocence, our democracy wasn’t built on that it’s supposed to be the other way round

    Comment by gerry edson — September 24, 2010 @ 8:07 pm

  139. Oh David,
    lets face reality..things can’t go on the way they are!people will always try to keep what they have and are hurt when change threatens there ‘Lifestyle’ but theres no such thing as a free ‘meal-ticket’ handouts are for the destitute..we need to encourage people to be self reliant.to think for themselves and be responsible for there actions…community spirit and help from our neighbours is the order of the day.

    I know your feeling threatened but calling people spawn and low life won’t change the situation…change has to happen whether now or in one year or ten years for the well being of all taxpayers and our communities.

    At the moment I’m fine and don’t need any help, probably never will, and if I ever did need help ? well rather than sponging of the Government I will just get by on my savings, that’s the problem with you people, you are all the same..whine whine whine, the world owes me a living, don’t put anything by for a rainy day, just spend spend spend and rely on the public teat.

    If you have a real disability not a physco symatic one you will get help to get around it in the form of therapy. everyone is able to contritbute something.

    We should have a final solution to the disabled problem as soon as possible, you should all be taken outside your houses, put up against the nearest wall and shot.

    Comment by trucker....76 — September 24, 2010 @ 8:08 pm

  140. For years GP’S were under pressure by there patients to hand out sick notes like sweeties and now the government realized this is not the way.ATOS has been employed to be independant and transparent and obviously has to deliver, they are professionals in this field thats why they are so effective in the states.
    For 30 years benefit has been based on your disability and that was a mistake for most people,now its based on what you can do and obviously more of us fall into the ‘can do’ catergory and will be redirected into work based activities probably part-time to give them a sense of well-being and usefulness.surely thats the right direction.

    Its not what you do its the way that you do it!!!

    Comment by trucker....76 — September 24, 2010 @ 8:27 pm

  141. Ok first of all, could you give us a name, is it trucker, tuskey, tusker or whatever, secondly lets get down to the nitty gritty.
    The Government promised to help people who are disabled back in to work, which i agree with, but they broke that promise ok, you got that.
    Next, and just in case you dont know, but the Governments enforcement arm, known as ATOS healthcare are totally corrupt, and are abusing disabled people for profit, and i for one will not stand for it, you got that as well.

    Now if you think that abusing disabled people is the way to go, if you think and really believe that the Government have your best interests at heart, then you are an uneducated fool, look at all the web-sites that are trying to tell the truth about ATOS corruption, and there’s plenty of them, and then go figure, have you got that too.

    You mention change, i actually agree with that, yes change, but not your kind of change trucker or whatever your name is, i dont want to live in your Nazified world, i want to live in a country thats fair and treats people with some dignity, that doesn’t have idiotic trident, that doesn’t make John Prescot a Lord, because he knows a little secret, and you better make me a big important man or else, i dont want a country that gives ten Billion pounds in taxpayers money in foreign aid, whilst pissing all over our own folk.

    And as for this work the Government promised, where is it trucker ?, because i dont see it, i want you to tell me where it is, and i want you to tell me how if we are all in it together, and we are all going to suffer together, then why is Cam and Clegg and that low grade moron Gideon Osbourne not suffering, i dont see them experiencing any hardship.
    You also mention if you have a real disability you can get therapy, aye thats a good one, therapy while you starve.

    NO Trucker i dont want your world !!

    Comment by David — September 24, 2010 @ 8:46 pm

  142. ATOS were effective in the states were they ?, well i have news for you trucker ATOS were not effective in the States… quite the opposite, they were found guilty in the California courts for corruption and banned, it’s all over the internet, but dont take my word for it, why dont you go check it out for yourself, then get right back here and apologise.
    They, that is ATOS then brought their slimy hands over here to carry out their dreadful work , falsifying medical reports, lying and cheating, pissing all over disabled people, all in the name of profit.
    You really dont have a clue do you trucker, go educate yourself first before spouting crap like that.

    Look………. im sorry, i cant be mean to you trucker, i reallly cant, but quite frankly i know i could never get through to you, i would be as well talking to this wall over there, you read and believe everything in the daily mail dont you ? ah i thought so !!

    Comment by David — September 24, 2010 @ 9:06 pm

  143. Helpgoing back to work is a collaboration not a one way process and the government will help people back to work by deciding who can and who cannot.the ‘can’s’ will be offered some job to get them motivated as part of a daily routine.

    Allsystems in the world have an element of corruption thats the nature of humans unfortunately but that does’nt prevent the world from working.

    Abusing disabled people is not whats really happening but abusing the system is also corrupt i can understand your frustration at the change’s that are happening but thats part of normal life we need to change or we vegetate.

    we live in a democratic and fair society go to another country and see how undemocratic and intolerable it is to live there any tnird world country of your choice and first world saudia arabia.

    I agree trident(soon to be postponed) does seem ridiculous and john prescott will die a lord but life goes on ,the benefit sytem will outlive us allbut only if its changed were living healthier longer lives and it can’t be sustained unless its rationed.

    Atos are doing the work they were contracted to do by the government who you voted for and not dreadful or abusing or pissing over anyone…just cos you can’t get your way your using them as a scapegoat.

    Just wait till the bring in the Work Program starts next month i think you will be able to offer yourself up for the first job hey give you…don’t worry you won’t starve they will give you your £91.40 plus housing benefi t what more can you expect in return for a community based job and you can meet more people and have a sense of purpose…and its theraputic also known as excercise..remember that?

    No i’m not a Nazi far from it and entitled to manipulate the legal system like everyone else but when you’be had a good run accept its over and move on..thats life..nothings forever…

    As for education i just rely on commonsense and logic and try to differenciate between truth and propaganda.

    OR as a Buddhist..the ‘Middle Way’

    Comment by Margaret trucker....76 — September 24, 2010 @ 10:07 pm

  144. PS.. apologies for the typo’s i’m not well at the moment…gotta headache…is there an allowance i can claim for that….lol

    Comment by Margaret trucker....76 — September 24, 2010 @ 10:12 pm

  145. The Pond life has a strange smell to-night!!

    Comment by ESA veteran — September 24, 2010 @ 10:44 pm

  146. yes, but the ‘pussy’ tastes better!!!!

    Comment by trump...1 — September 24, 2010 @ 10:57 pm

  147. Ok you say help getting back to work is a collaboration, what work have the Government created then ?, name one single building project ?, in fact name one single meaningful project ?, go on name them, you cant can you, because they have created nothing, so how in the hell can anybody collaborate with them.
    And dont give me that crap about the Government shouldn’t have to create any work for anybody, they should because they have a responsibility to the people of this country to at least make an attempt to create work.

    Why dont you google in ”Evidence shows that privatising welfare actually wastes money” an article by Don Paskini, a person who actually knows what he’s talking about, yes go in there and find out about A4E and these other corrupt companies and see what they are really all about.

    And as for £91.40 plus housing benefit, what about zero and no housing benefit, yes thats what i get !!
    But it’s not all about me is it, does it have to be about me before i make an attempt to tell the world the truth ?.
    Also let me tell you and make this the last time, ATOS are not carrying out the work they were contracted to do, and i did not vote for this corrupt Government, and they ARE, did you see that… ARE abusing disabled people, ARE pissing on them.

    Go Google it, how about ”why wait forever.com” ”benefits and work” ”DWP corruption” are they all liars, you wont bother to investigate it will you trucker ? why ? because your mind is already made up
    Like those twits four hundred years ago that insisted the world was flat, the earth is the centre of the universe, absolutley oblivious to all reason and proof because they had already decided and closed their minds..!!

    A community based job trucker ? is that the best you can come up with, thats meaningful work is it, thats very therapeutic, sure it is, by the way whats your job ? whats your contribution then ? DWP ? ATOS ? go on what do you contribute to this wonderful freedom of speech society you think so highly of.

    Comment by David — September 24, 2010 @ 10:57 pm

  148. the pond life lackig a brain spouts mouth farts and giggles at the smell,what fun he has hidden by the sludge.Enjoy your small triumph, being a fountain of knowledge and yet still be an idiot must hurt.

    Comment by ESA veteran — September 25, 2010 @ 2:18 am

  149. Whoever this trucker or whatever his name is, talks a load of tosh, he hasn’t got a clue, Some facts and questions for him
    There are NOT enough jobs for fit and healthy people let alone the Disabled.
    An Employer who takes disabled people on will have his insurance premiums increased.
    What employer will take on a disabled person that has to be supervised all day?
    Could a disabled person take their Carer to work with them, I think not.
    If an employer had a choice of a fit and healthy person or a disabled person to do a job who would he automatically choose? well that’s a no brainer answer.
    Most disabled people have their condition for LIFE, it’s not temporary.
    There are quite a few forms of disability, some minor, some severe.
    ATOS are in it for the money, do some research about them and you will soon find that out.
    Some of the so called Health Care Professionals ATOS use are not even qualified doctors/specialists.
    Most disabled people have to take vast amounts of medication just to function, but this same medication affects their abilities to be fit and healthy, it’s called side effects.

    So before you come on a site like this spouting your government propaganda like a sheep following his shepherd, go and do some proper research on the subject.

    Comment by gerry edson — September 25, 2010 @ 9:26 am

  150. Thanks for your profound knowledge and profanities…

    Why don’t you claim JSA if you have no income and HB?

    The government already play there part they pay you JSA,ESA,DLA if you need it to live …your part is to accept a vacancy thats available or retraining,of course £6 an hour,40 hr week is not alot to live on.

    Well from my experience ATOS have served me well and i got my £91.40 plus.I think the only people who complain about ATOS are the one’s on this blog who’s claim was rejected.

    I’m gonna start a blog right now about people who were satisfied with there dealings with ATOS and had a successful claim.

    As for the government being corrupt all governments are corrupt including new labour who buried there head in the sand and gave out universal benefits to all and sundry who landed on these fine shores…now we are left up shit creek without a paddle …contact mr t blair.

    Meaningful work is community based…help your neighbour,sharing like they did in the second world war…remember that? people just expect, expect ,expect nowadays but are unwilling in anyway possible to contribute to society unless theres not something in it for them.

    We live in troubled times and its going to get tougher before it gets better..The British Empire has long gone and dried up,put on your rose tinted spectacles..your gonna need em.

    The King size prawn..

    Comment by trump...1 — September 25, 2010 @ 9:36 am

  151. i know its a silly question but has to be asked…jusy how disabled are you????

    are you wheelchair bound with no arms or legs then you will pass the atos medical or are you able to walk the high street with walking sticks and a bag of shopping before driving home in your mobility mobile then you will fail the atos medical.

    please advise…….I know you’re all fakers and scroungers, this blog is a scroungers charter…so go get job, and stop complaining, if you can push a button then as far as I’m concerned your fit for work, just because you’ve only got six months to live doesn’t mean you can’t work until you drop.
    Iain Duncan Smith is a good man and doing gods good work, and is onto you.

    Comment by trump...1 — September 25, 2010 @ 10:25 am

  152. Ok listen up Buck Rogers, ATOS and the Government might have you fooled, but they dont fool me for one minute, so im not going to try and persuade you how wrong you are, because after reading what you have to say it’s obvious you are totally incorrigible and a deluded fool.

    But i do wish you every success in your new blog, and every success to genuine claimants in their experience with ATOS healthcare..!!

    Cheers Mate.

    Comment by David — September 25, 2010 @ 10:31 am

  153. Your question (154) came in before my last reply, and it shows your real character, slagging of the disabled behind the secrecy of your nice comfortable home, the type of person who cant stand the thought of any kind of physical or mental pain, but loves to inflict it upon others.
    An easily controlled Government drone, who loves to…………….look al tell you what, why dont you start your new blog, because i cant be bothered with the drivel you talk..!!

    Ok Good luck then byeeee.

    Comment by David — September 25, 2010 @ 10:45 am

  154. At least your thinking positively now!!!

    Hope you get your benefits soon the ones your entitled to claim at least!!!!

    I’m happy with my lot.

    When your depressed think of all the starving kids in africa then you will realize how good you got it here…

    Comment by trump...1 — September 25, 2010 @ 10:46 am

  155. Guys, stop feeding the bluddy troll. I subscribed to this blob to prepare my wife and I for her tribunal case, the amount of spam that’s been arriving in my inbox over the last few days means I’m thinking of unsubscribing.

    He’s clearly just baiting people into arguing, feeding his ego and making him feel important in some deluded way. Just ignore him, I hope the moderator(s) can clean up this blog…

    Comment by TonyP — September 25, 2010 @ 10:50 am

  156. Maybe your deluded and feeding your own ego as you set up the story to start with…

    Maybe you will find the medical will be OK this time..i hope its successful on appeal…

    Make sure the wife takes her high heels off before going into the tribunal…

    Keep me posted i wanna hear another success story..

    This world is filled with doom and gloom…

    Ticketee boo…

    Comment by trump...1 — September 25, 2010 @ 11:03 am

  157. I hope he does start a blog with HAPPY ATOS people on it, he will be waiting a long time to talk to anybody
    But remember people he is an ‘I’m all right Jack’ kind of person, he supposedly got his and thinks sod all the others that are having difficulties (nice person, NOT)

    He will be crying when later on down the line he will be reassessed and refused, wonder how much he will love the Government and ATOS then

    Comment by gerry edson — September 25, 2010 @ 12:28 pm

  158. See your running out of amunition (the word variety)now,i’m not an ‘i’m alright jack person’, I do my 15 hours(permitted)work a week in the community.Go to http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk there are many satisfied punters who successfully claimed there rightful benefits after ATOS did there medical..maybe your not ill enough and could get out there and do a little something for your benefits.If your content claiming you should be content when asked to participate.

    Your right when my claim comes up for renewal i hope i will be better then..if it fails i will try my damdest to do what i can to gain employment of some variety through JSA.

    Life goes on…..

    Comment by trump...1 — September 25, 2010 @ 3:25 pm

  159. trump you spout an amazing amount of rubbish
    Lets get a few things straight, I to get DLA, I to sometimes do voluntary conservation work for the community as therapy, but then I suffer with mental health problems so I’m physically fit
    My wife on the other hand has a lot of physical disabilities, enough to warrant vast amounts of medication and also warrants her to have numerous operations and other treatments, she has just recently been turned down for DLA (any component, because her refusal was based on an unqualified corrupt EMP from ATOS who lied through his teeth in his report)
    Her doctors and specialists has told her and put in medical reports that she is unfit for work, these reports have also been ignored by the system so she gets bugger all help, I have to care for her even though I’m ill myself. You come on here rallying to the system that has given you benefits and by your own post you HOPE TO GET BETTER in the future and YOU CAN WORK 15 HOURS, my wife will never get better she will only get worse, and on her bad days which is a lot she can hardly move let alone work, (even for a couple of hours). My personal condition does not get better either it is for life, my medication just stabilises me and allows me to function to a certain extent. So bully for you that you might get better and you can work, maybe you should look at what you are saying and think yourself very lucky to have had such a cushy time of it. There are a lot of genuine disabled people that are going through hell at the moment with a lot worse medical conditions than you I would suspect
    By the way the site you refer to IMO is probably a government propaganda site with a name like that it is very suspicious, and if you look there are a lot more sites with people having problems with ATOS and the DWP and there is more and more appearing all the time.

    Comment by gerry edson — September 25, 2010 @ 4:18 pm

  160. is she bed ridden? is she capable of using this website?can you go down the shops? when was the last time you went abroad? what exsctly is wrong with you both?

    Comment by trump...1 — September 25, 2010 @ 4:49 pm

  161. No she isn’t bed ridden, but her condition means that she cannot walk properly she cannot even get comfortable sitting down, or in bed, she has multiple problems throughout her whole body, just for your info she has to take 22 tablets a day the majority are pain killers and anti inflammatory, she also has pain relief patches and cream. Most of her medication on the high doses she takes gives her side effects, including dizziness, nausea, they can also make her very lethargic, they have already damaged her stomach so she has to take other meds for that
    And yes she could use this website but only for very short periods because if she sits in one place for any length of time she gets pain, she does not go down the shops unless I am with her as most of the time she has to use crutches she couldn’t carry shopping etc. anyway because of the problems with her hands and fingers so it’s not just her legs.
    We have never been abroad and the last time we went on holiday in this country was about 4 years ago.
    As for your last question, all I will say is that I am also on high doses of strong medication one possible side effect with one of my meds is that it can cause liver damage so I have to have regular blood tests to make sure it hasn’t. I know we are both more ill/disabled than you anyway and that’s all you need to know
    Good enough for you

    Comment by gerry edson — September 25, 2010 @ 5:27 pm

  162. 2.5
    Ready for Work
    Individuals who are not entitled to ESA following assessment are considered capable of looking for work at that time. Nearly one in five people of working age (6.9 million, or 19%) in Great Britain are disabled.5 Identifying an individual as fit for work does not necessarily mean that they have no health condition or disability, but recognises that they are capable of work in spite of it. It also doesn’t mean that they are necessarily able to return to their previous employment, but that they are functionally capable of some work. The medical assessment identifies individuals on the basis of their functional capability, not their skill set, as different jobs require individuals to have different skills.


    Comment by trump...1 — September 25, 2010 @ 5:53 pm

  163. P.S. trump what about you, answer your own questions, are you bed ridden? are you capable of using this website?can you go down the shops? when was the last time you went abroad? what exactly is wrong with you?

    I’ll answer them for you, NO, YES, YES, don’t know that one, maybe you should rephrase it to when was the last time you went on any sort of holiday including a long weekend, you haven’t told us the answer to the last question yourself

    You have already told that me you are not that bad by being able to work 15 hours, and that hopefully you will get better.

    Do you still think your lovely corrupt system gives you more right to benefits than my wife, you probably do being the ‘I’m all right Jack’ kind of person you are

    Comment by gerry edson — September 25, 2010 @ 5:54 pm

  164. What is the diagnosis for your illness’s?

    Comment by trump...1 — September 25, 2010 @ 5:58 pm

  165. Whats causing you to take so many pain killers are you addicted…is that the problem?

    Comment by trump...1 — September 25, 2010 @ 6:03 pm

  166. Obviously you can’t read, I didn’t say I was taking the pain killers I said my wife was

    And you haven’t answered my question, do you think you have more right to benefit than my wife? now that I have told you how bad she is compared to you

    Obviously you must think this is a tough question

    P.S. quoting DWP propaganda is such a childish thing to do on this blog, because according to your quotation you are eligible for work yourself so you must have gained sickness benefits illegally

    Comment by gerry edson — September 25, 2010 @ 6:10 pm

  167. I wouldn’t be surprised if this twit was in the beast wing in broadmoor, in a straight jacket with just enough room to stretch his finger bitten digits out to operate his toy plastic keyboard !!
    Dreaming about diluting the gene pool when he’s finaly let loose on the unsuspecting public !!

    Mr Harrison were on to you, through your IP number and we know you dont claim benefits, get back in to your taxi John and scram..!!

    Comment by David — September 25, 2010 @ 6:28 pm

  168. yes i have copd..and asthma..serve dinner in an old folks lunch club 15 hrs, i’m not a dustbin man.

    you can’t get benefits illegally the procedure is watertight.I got sick notes for 8 months from the consultant.

    the ATOS medical is just a confirmation of your illness and that you might in the near future be able to involve yourself in some sort of work..i don’t mean laying tracks for british rail. could’nt do that anymore anyway..the excertion would probably finish me off.

    By the way whats you and your good lady wifes condition?I’ve told you mine.

    Comment by trump...1 — September 25, 2010 @ 6:37 pm

  169. Your comments dont make any sense John, you keep contradicting yourself, first you say it’s to easy to get benefits, and to easy to pass an ATOS medical, then you say ”you cant get benefits illegaly, the procedure is watertight” are you deranged John.

    Look just go away and start your new blog in Dartmoor John !!

    Cheers for your constructive imput.

    Comment by David — September 25, 2010 @ 6:50 pm

  170. yes its easy if your ill and incapable of work not if your not!! you have’nt answered my question as to your condition and your wifes condition.whats wrong with you both medically aprt from addiction to pain killers?

    Comment by trump...1 — September 25, 2010 @ 7:10 pm

  171. if theres anything worse than people being ill its being ill an taking up fulltime employment whilst claiming benefits..this is a disgrace and can’t be condoned..if the DWP find out they should throw you to the dogs and you should be made to pay every penny back as our benefits are being reduced cos of scum like you..Kearin !!

    Comment by trump...1 — September 25, 2010 @ 7:34 pm

  172. Basically trump (I’m all right jack) your not even worth talking to. For some reason you choose to ignore arguments that make you look the fool that you are
    And you still will not answer my question, DO YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE MORE ENTITLED TO BENEFITS THAN MY WIFE in your perfect system that never can go wrong?
    I have already told you a couple of times it is NOT me that has to take pain killers and anti inflammatory medication it is my wife, and she doesn’t take them because she is addicted she takes them because if she didn’t she would be BED RIDDEN. Yet your perfect system because of one corrupt EMP says that she is not entitled to benefits even though every other disabled organisation(Social Services, Local Council and the NHS says she is)
    I have mental health problems and bad asthma, and my mental health problems are worse than yours. I suffer with Bi-Polar, Severe Anxiety, a Personality Disorder and because of them I also have OCD’s, but then I get benefits and DLA so the problem isn’t with me, except in sense that I am wife wife’s CARER even though I am ill myself and because she doesn’t get the benefits because of this corrupt EMP, I cannot get any financial support for her, our only income is my benefits this combined with my mental health issues puts a greater strain on me and makes my condition worse, which in turn makes her depression worse (I forget to tell you she suffers with depression because of the conditions she has as well).
    Obviously you have learning difficulties as you do not seem understand what you are saying or any question that you are being asked, but your illness is not serious enough for you to be able to come onto a blog and spout your propaganda rubbish and go to work 2 days a week.

    Comment by gerry edson — September 26, 2010 @ 9:54 am

  173. sweethoneycum if that’s not you trump

    look at what you just said

    SHE COPED SO WELL WITH HER DEPRESSION SHE COMMITTED SUICIDE and it wasn’t the first time she tried it either

    Obviously this is a piss take

    Comment by gerry edson — September 26, 2010 @ 12:02 pm

  174. Oh by the way (I’m all right jack)trump

    I forgot to mention, I also have high blood pressure, and I am awaiting an appointment to see if I have Functioning Aspergers as well

    Comment by gerry edson — September 26, 2010 @ 12:06 pm

  175. Whoever you really are, you must be a really sad person to want to come on a blog use false names and pick on genuine disabled people that are having trouble with the system. Were you one of those children that used to torture poor defenceless animals for fun. You hide behind aliases. You make claims you can’t back up, YOU DON’T READ PROPERLY, what a fool and a pathetic person you really are.
    If anybody is a waste of space it’s a poor excuse of a human being like you, I have more right to claim benefits than you and so does my wife, you defrauder, as I have more things wrong with me than you, I actually am under a Mental Health Team, I have a Therapist, a Psychiatrist, Councillors and just recently I was an outpatient at a Mental Hospital, what about you saddo
    P.S. You just described a lot of my symptoms, thanks, I’ll know what to say now when I have to make a fresh claim you knob

    Comment by gerry edson — September 26, 2010 @ 4:16 pm

  176. No I don’t know you, and I’m glad I don’t. You seem to have quite a few brain cells missing, I have already told you, I ALREADY GET INCAPACITY BENEFIT AND DISABILITY LIVING ALLOWANCE, understand you moron, it’s my WIFE that got refused even though ALL her specialists and doctors have said she is UNFIT FOR WORK, she is only being refused by the corrupt system that you love so much at the moment because they don’t want her to get all the arrears they owe her, they date back to last June and it will cost them a few thousand. This is your lovely system that you support so much, they want to take money from a disabled person that is fully entitled to it. If she stopped appealing now and reapplied she would get it hands down, but then they will save all the arrears they owe her.
    You are an unbelievable arsehole, and an absolute fool if you think you are safe now because you ain’t, they are talking about reassessing people every 6 months at least maybe less, and they have given ATOS and their quacks a new contract to do it, and they are even going look into the people that work even though it is for therapy. You believe too much of the propaganda even the new leader of the Labour has said that it’s only a small minority that defraud the system
    Maybe you are hiding your identity because you might need people like us genuine disabled to help you with advice in the future.
    P.S. Are you the type of person that robs old ladies of their pension to buy your drugs?

    Comment by gerry edson — September 26, 2010 @ 6:08 pm

  177. Obviously you don’t understand the system I was already assessed a few years ago to go on incapacity, I have gotten worse since, and my mental health conditions have now been diagnosed by a psychiatric specialist and a psychiatrist at our main Mental Health Hospital, remember I have already mentioned that that I have Bi-Polar, Anxiety, a Personality Disorder and OCD’s. I have to have a Therapist at the local Mental Health Team who I see regularly who already has said I’m unfit for work, a Psychiatrist I have to see every couple of months who said I am unfit for work and I also have long term Councilling. My wife also gets a carer support worker from the local mental health team to help her with me and I am on high doses of Powerful Medication. Apart from that I also suffer with bad Asthma and high blood pressure, and as I said my Therapist is trying to get me an appointment to see if I have functioning Aspergers as well. And another thing my Mental Health Team over ride the GP so the DWP go to them for a report and not my GP
    Lets see an ATOS unqualified quack get around that.
    I only think you might do the things to old ladies because you seem to think it’s fun to come onto a blog with disabled people on and stir up trouble, so you must be warped in some way
    And I have already told you this as well, my wife CANNOT go on holiday she is too ill.
    I don’t have a worst nightmare, I’m living in it already

    Comment by gerry edson — September 26, 2010 @ 7:00 pm

  178. OK TUSKER, you have my attention. What exactly do you want?

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 27, 2010 @ 7:30 am

  179. I think the whole system is corupt.My mam just had her moneystoped last week after she seen this so called doctor shes bad with pains in her hands and feet and cnat walk verry far. bastards still stoped her money though.

    Comment by Ciro — September 27, 2010 @ 9:01 am

  180. dwpexamination

    He is just one of those sad people that thinks it would be a bit of fun taking the micky out of vulnerable people less fortunate than himself

    P.S. Sorry for taking over your blog a bit too much, but mindless idiots like him really get to me

    Comment by gerry edson — September 27, 2010 @ 5:50 pm

  181. Those like yourself, with something constructive to say are always welcome here, thats what this blog is for. No sweat.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 28, 2010 @ 6:37 am

  182. Thanks, there is a lot of sick/disabled people out there that need help at the moment because of what is going on with the corrupt system, myself included, I’m gaining a lot of experience and information about it, so any help I can give, I will

    Comment by gerry edson — September 28, 2010 @ 9:40 am

  183. The more first hand evidence and infromation we have the better, anything you can tell us helps and will be welcome here.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 28, 2010 @ 4:29 pm

  184. dwpexamination, what’s happened to the sister site???

    Comment by gerry edson — October 18, 2010 @ 12:38 pm

  185. Its still there, had a bit of a glitch this morning but it seems OK now. Try http://www.dwpexamination.org if it doesn’t work send me another email

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 18, 2010 @ 4:23 pm

  186. hi,i cant believe some of the horror stories but i too suffered at the card boards hands.i scored nil point after the foreign “doctor” asked me to lift both of my arms up in the air.at the time i had a frozen shoulder and the pain reduced me to tears.he stopped the “medical” there and then along with my benefits.after an appeal lodged with the wirral rights who were brilliant,my lifeline was reinstated.i now am awaiting an appointment through the post for another “medical”.my physical conditions havent changed so why??? i suffer with myasthena and take meds every 4hrs and thats for life.this condition is also for life and doesnt get better.i will keep you posted on how i get on but hope the outcome is good.if not i will again appeal.thanks for youre help for all the real people out there pam x

    Comment by pam taaffe — October 20, 2010 @ 12:09 am

  187. We are fighting for fairness take a look at the stories of other people who have supported and contributed to this blog and our sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org. All we want is a fair deal, we are not getting this at present and are being railroaded by a private sector company who are banned from practicing in America. Help us to continue the good fight by contributing (not financially but buy your comments I hasten to add) to the blog and forum.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 20, 2010 @ 6:48 am

  188. i most certainly will.

    Comment by pam taaffe — October 20, 2010 @ 4:46 pm

  189. hi can anyone help ive been badgered by dwp ( atos ) to have a medical my doctor faxed them twice told them im in no way capable to attend so now they have sent me home visit for monday 29th this is all causing me untold stress and anxiety i am agoraphobic and have regular psychiatrist help am also a victim of severe domestic violence and have several agencys caring for me in 1 way or another i had my back broken 2 years ago and other injurys 2 many to say i have a friend who will be here on the visit what can i expect i had 2 visits in 1 week 2 years ago but things have changed now with governments etc im terrified my money will stop this is driving me insane cant even afford to heat the house like many other people .
    so basically has anyone else had home visit recently what happened what did they say or make you do last time they measured my legs for muscle wastage and checked my fridge so i felt so invaded please HELP !!! k

    Comment by k — November 27, 2010 @ 11:22 pm

  190. To be honest all you can do given the time before your home visit is to ask someone you know to attend the medical and take notes, it is advisable to have representation from someone who is used to dealing with ATOS i.e. from your Local Welfare Rights Office or the C.A.B. Check out our sister forum at http://www.dwpexamination.myfreeforum.org where you will find other people in a similar situation to yourself. Please keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 28, 2010 @ 2:31 pm

  191. update i passed my medical on severe mental health the visiting gp made a phone call and been signed off about time this has caused me untold stress and i feel so sorry for anyone else going through this its just so unfair .

    Comment by k — November 29, 2010 @ 5:58 pm

  192. [...] An account of my DWP medical February 2009 191 comments 3 [...]

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  193. I’m sure a lot of the posters on this site are by people who qualify for benefit, but some of you people are nuts. One person complains that because their benefit has been stopped they may loose their home. I’ve worked 2 jobs most of my life just to cover my rent, and will never EVER be able to afford my own property. Get a sense or perspective. Life is hard for everyone.

    Comment by Jammerdoo — February 10, 2011 @ 11:47 am

  194. I lost my home you asshole, when my benefits were illegally witheld from me for nearly four months, who in the hell are you to come on here telling folk who are disabled to get a sense of perspective.
    Are you disabled ? what do you know ? work for the DWP do you ? Life is hard for everyone is it ?, why should we make it harder then ? you seem to have plenty of time on your hands considering you have two jobs, your life must be very attractive if your only interest is trawling through the forums commenting on subjects you haven’t a clue about.

    So just shut up and sit down.

    Comment by David — February 10, 2011 @ 1:45 pm

  195. Can you people in all honesty say that you are entirely incapable of any work what so ever??? even if you are able to work a few hours a week…if you can sit for hours typing this crap you can work..stop whining as you will be the losers in the end…need i say more.

    Comment by nick — February 11, 2011 @ 11:56 am

  196. They have lifts in offices and call centres nowadays…should’nt stop you working…..if you can trawl the high streets with a walking stick and 2 bags of shopping you can work..pathetic lot.

    Comment by nick — February 11, 2011 @ 12:01 pm

  197. The reason your being ‘scrutinized’ is cos your not really ill enough not to work and have been bucking the system far too long…reviews,reviews,reviews are the order of the day if its not to much trouble to tear yourself away from the pub..too mant ‘chav’s’ in this country!!!

    Comment by nick — February 11, 2011 @ 12:06 pm

  198. Oh David you must have been swinging the lead for a few years then…the reason you lost your home is that you were’nt working and it was probably beyond your means anyway..so no job would have been able to pay the rent.so as soon as your benefits stopped (legally as you were ripping the system ilegally) you were up for a fall!!!obviously you are able to do some sort of work..on a computer in an office or callcentre maybe.theres nothing for free..someone has to pay…there called taxpayers…ho hum.

    Comment by nick — February 11, 2011 @ 6:16 pm

  199. Hello Tusker, I see youve stopped wanking long enough to type then.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 11, 2011 @ 6:20 pm

  200. hi all, its been about 6 months since my last post when i appealed against my medical. i was scored 0 points in my medical and 18 in my tribunal and after this i thought i would be left alone for a while until i received a letter through the door a few days after christmas asking me to attend another medical. is it common to be receiving another medical so soon? dont get me wrong but running back and fore for treatment and taking medication really messes me up and when you phone to rearrange an apointment you get talked to like crap and told if you refuse appointments you’ll lose your benefits, but its alright for them to phone you up half an hour before your appointment and ask you to rebook because they have overbooked. is it just me or does anyone else think the more numbers seen means the more money earned?

    Comment by karl — February 12, 2011 @ 10:15 pm

  201. and before someone jumps in and starts slagging me off for being a scrounger i worked 3 jobs most of my life and even with a degeneritive back problem until basically my back gave in causing me to not walk without being dosed up to my eyeballs i dont have a social life no more. i went back to work on medication and was told to finish as i couldnt keep up to standards of health and safety. i still get classed as a scrounger but i suppose even terminal people get tarred with the same brush.

    Comment by karl — February 12, 2011 @ 10:28 pm

  202. No your not a scrounger Karl just somebody who along with thousands and thousands of disabled and ill people all over Britain and through no fault of their own are paying the price for this Government and the last lot’s bowing and scraping to the banks and big business.
    You ask if they will leave you alone Karl, i’m sorry they are not going to leave any of us alone, and the sooner we wake up to this ATOS/DWP nightmare and their dirty tricks the better.

    That’s the bad news, what’s the good news then, well not a lot other than get youself a GL 24 form along with your ESA 85 or IB 85 medical report depending what allowance you receive and do what you did before, appeal and win again, and dont ever give in to these bastards.

    If you need help we are here to help the best we can, and dont forget they are doing this to everyone so dont take it personally, by the way if you look at the daily mirror on line you will see an article giving us some support, please try and make an anti-ATOS/DWP comment.

    Before I go, there’s a piece of SCUM coming on this forum, using different names like Tusker, Jammerdoo, Nick, if you go up the page you will see his deranged comments, he’s a troll and a very sad person without a life, so dont rise to his bait, just fucken ignore him..!!

    Comment by David — February 12, 2011 @ 11:33 pm

  203. Hey guys,

    Just thought I’d post a followup to me and my wife’s story with the DWP/ATOS since my last post.

    Tribunal went ahead 1 year to the day that the DWP pulled her benefits (coincidence?) only for the tribunal to adjourn until the end of this month because the DWP had not submitted copies of her previous medical reports.

    Given that I’ve not received any copies from the tribunal copy service I’m assuming they’ve still not supplied them, so I’m hoping the tribunal will go on the evidence we’ve provided instead. Fingers crossed :)


    Comment by Tony P — February 13, 2011 @ 9:41 am

  204. had my medical wednesday just gone and to my suprise 6pm the same night i had a phhone call from one of these indian call centres telling me they were contacking me on behalf of the medical centre, they had described what i had told the doctor in my medical even down to the approx dates and after throwing compliments at me decided to start telling me different types of natural remedies i could be using, ok i thought this is nice to know someone trying to help untill 30 minutes later tried to sell me some of these tablets at a discount price. i told them not to bother and in the next few days received numerous pestering phone calls which finally stop when i mentioned harassment and solicitor. has anyone else had this problem? like i said the only person i discussed these details with was the examiner and now some outsider has my personal information within hours. id apreciate any help on this before i start screaming at someone from atos.

    Comment by Anonymous — February 19, 2011 @ 4:18 am

  205. If you could prove it, you would be in a position to give ATOS slimecare serious problems.
    Which means a recording of the conversation, if you have that-you are the master/mistress ? And they ATOS are your little pets.
    I personally have never heard of ATOS doing that, but dont get me wrong, I wouldn’t put it past them !!

    ATOS healthcare as far as I know, record all coversations for training purposes, since they are not going to turn the recording of the conversation over to you, then perhaps the next best thing is to settle for a laugh, phone them up and ask to speak to the lovely lady/gent that promised to get those tablets for you, tell them it sounded like a good deal.And since there is no way they will release the conversation under any circumstances, then you can go the whole hog and rip the arse out of it and ask about their generous HASHISH PACKAGE they promised, and at the same time make sure they understand that you didn’t realise that it was now legal, make sure they get the message that there is ‘CASH WAITING’

    Comment by David — February 19, 2011 @ 9:10 am

  206. Can you tell me,I have been waiting for a date for a tribunial for six months,I now have a medical form to fill in so I will have to attend ATOS again,can they do this.

    Comment by John — February 23, 2011 @ 4:47 pm

  207. I was on ESA from June 2009 until April 2010, I failed the ATOS medical in November and appealed to get my ESA reinstated, which it was, then it was again refused on appeal to DWP in March, again I appealed and went to tribunal meantime I was able to return to work following a 2nd operation in April and signed off, but continued to appeal to tribunal as I felt I was unfairly treated at medical assessment and wanted to prove I wasn’t scrounging. My tribunal was held 8th February 2011 (I strongly suspect that they it wasn’t heard any earlier as I returned to work and notified them that I had, but was being bloody minded proving that I was unfit for work during that period due to 2 shoulder operations and I wanted payment of the extra allowance backdated while I was claiming) and I did not attend due to work commitments, I was successful this time and I have been told that when they get the papers from the Tribunal I will receive 29 weeks back pay of £25.95 which I should have received from the 14th week of my claim even though I now have returned to work, has anyone else received the additional element of ESA backdated, after returning to work? I claim no other benefits.

    Comment by Liz — February 23, 2011 @ 6:31 pm

  208. Dont understand? if your case is going before a Tribunal how can you be called for a medical again? More detail would be helpful

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 24, 2011 @ 8:43 pm

  209. In answer to your question,more information.
    I went for my medical in July 2010,was told that I was fit for work,appealed against that with my G.Ps blessing (who thinks I should not contemplate working},That was overturned in September 2010 to the work component (is that what it is called)Sppealled against that & now going to a tribunal.To top it off the advice center that were dealing with this have now cried off due to lack of funds.
    Hope this is enough information

    Comment by John — March 2, 2011 @ 5:31 pm

  210. Another round of incompetence, this time by the tribunal service. 3 months after requesting copies of medical reports from the DWP and 10 minutes before the adjourned tribunal hearing was to happen they inform us that they’ve lost the papers and they are adjourning again for another 3 months. That would mean 18 months since the last incap payment was made… always a pleasure(!)

    Comment by Tony P — March 2, 2011 @ 6:00 pm

  211. Dont forget Tony, the tribunal service who are supposed to be impartial are allowing ATOS/DWP officials through the back door to tamper with claimants appeals, apparently the reason is (well so they claim) that it helps speed up appeals.

    But I personally dont believe their motives are altruistic, I believe the reason is more sinister.
    And that reason is to influence the tribunal Judge in situ or a back room even, away out of the road of prying eyes, (they are not supposed to speak to each other) by by looking at it again and still allowing your appeal through to be heard, giving the tacit impression to the Judge that sure enough we have looked at it afresh and do your civic duty and dont award points.

    Is it possible the reason they are supposed to be lost is that they (ATOS/DWP) have been messing around with them ?, who knows…took them away to be re-worked and can’t find them ? And you must ask yourself why the Government are sending in these task forces ? Anybody with any brains can see they dont give a toss about the claimant. Of course the reason is simple, the Government are highly embarrassed with the appeals success, which at the last count was running at 40% with some sources quoting 70% if the claimant is represented.

    Comment by David — March 3, 2011 @ 8:04 pm

  212. When is everyone going to wake up and smell the sh-1t beneath their chins? The Conservatives are in power.

    These are the worst kind of b786756s a person can meet. Their agenda is simple – the rich and fat are given more, the poor and misfortunate are kept underfoot. ATOS (a law enforcer) is here to punish the most vulnerable for the greed and sodomy of the bankers, chief executives and share holders. F****g c**** don’t care about all the hardship you have to go through! They’ll even kick you while you down. Don’t expect any help from your govt, they know who their masters are.

    Things are going to get a lot worse for the poorest in society under the Tory scum. Mark my words. In time something will have to give of course…

    A revolution is going to be needed to overcome the massive inequality between the super rich
    and the down trodden poor. Then it really will be ‘Off with their heads.’

    Ps Dont let the b******s grind you down

    Comment by Ian Duncan Smith — March 4, 2011 @ 4:59 pm

  213. I can feel your frustration there, Its the first time I have had to edit a comment for content. Please feel free to comment here but do as we all do and try to self moderate when possible. We are feeling the pressure and sometimes the steam finds a way through, but we must fight on. They cant marginalise 3 million unemployed, 2.5 mollion sick, students, the motorist etc without jeapoardising thier tenuous grip on power. Free speech rules, as long as you can keep the swears down.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 4, 2011 @ 6:12 pm

  214. hi
    i guess my turn to moan, i was recently diagnosed with sever coronary heart disease, and the grim results were nothing they could do for me, no by passes, no stents, nothing, so next step i guess is death, but at my recent so called medical with atos, i was told i scored no points and was capable of work, well i wish i was, my doctor had gave me a fitness form, stating of work for another year, for witch they never even took notice of, i have enough problems now dealing with my illness, i want whats left of my life to be stress free, not told by idiots what i can do and not do, i asked my consultant what i could do, because i still wanted to work, his reply was, have you ever thought of a desk job licking stamps, i guess thats about all im fit for doing, and after a year now, i have found out that yes, thats about all i can do, i have nearly 3 times now caused myself seriouse injury were i still will not except my not being able to work, yet this lot (atos) seems to think i am better of dead than to drain there precious moneys wasted on so called benefit cheats, i think this is shamefull, makes you think what a world we live in, so one assesment done, now waiting for another as i appealed, told it could be 6-7 months, so all the time i am waiting i am getting 25 pounds a week less till the appeal, add all these peaple up who are getting the same results and thats a big savings for this lot, or the goverments, is his right to play with peoples health ???, sorry for spelling, had small stroke and effects my spelling

    Comment by norman — April 15, 2011 @ 8:04 pm

  215. Well Norman as you have worked out for yourself, it’s just a con, a scam to get everyone to appeal or drop out, and a desperate attempt to deprive you of £25 a week.
    Glad to see your not a rabbit and is going to appeal, of course you will win the appeal no problem, just have to live on reduced income for 7 or 8 months.
    What a horrible company, couldn’t give a toss if we lived or died, that’s what we are fighting against every day on our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org click on and get valuable free information on how to deal with these charlatans.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 15, 2011 @ 9:28 pm

  216. Please subscribe me

    Comment by Rachel Hubbard — June 15, 2011 @ 11:55 am

  217. ITS not all over after the tribunal i waited 11 months to get to tribunal got no points at medical came out of the tribunal with 28 points and a three year open sick note 4 mounths later get sent on another medical got no points now have to wait seven months to get back to tribunal with less pay. The medical is a joke

    Comment by Anonymous — June 15, 2011 @ 12:17 pm

  218. A Conservative MP has suggested that people with disabilities wanting to get on to the job ladder should be able to offer themselves for work at below the minimum wage.

    Philip Davies claimed “vulnerable” people were disadvantaged in the workplace because they had to compete with able-bodied candidates for jobs, but could not offer to accept lower wages.

    The MP for Shipley told the Commons during the second reading of the Employment Opportunities Bill: “The people who are most disadvantaged by the national minimum wage are the most vulnerable in society.

    “My concern about it is it prevents those people from being given the opportunity to get the first rung on the employment ladder.”

    Mr Davies said he had spoken to people with mental health problems during a visit to the charity Mind and found they were “quite accepting” of the fact they would be overlooked.

    “They were absolutely up front with me and they said that when they went for a job and they came across a situation where there were other people who had applied for that job, they’ve got mental health problems, other people haven’t, they said to me ‘Who would you take on?’,” he told MPs.

    Senior Tory Edward Leigh challenged Mr Davies, saying: “Forget the fact there’s a minimum wage for a moment. Why actually should a disabled person work for less than £5.93 an hour? It’s not a lot of money, is it?”

    Mr Davies told him: “If an employer is looking at two candidates, one who has got disabilities and one who hasn’t, and they have got to pay them both the same rate, I invite you to guess which one the employer is more likely to take on.

    “Whether that is right or wrong, whether you would do that or wouldn’t do, that to me is just the real world that we operate in.”

    He added that the people being penalised were “those people with those disabilities who are desperate to make a contribution to society, want to actually start getting on the employment ladder and find time and time again that the door is being closed in their face”.

    Speaking outside the Commons, Dame Anne Begg, who chairs the Work and Pensions Select Committee, said the comments were “utterly outrageous and unacceptable”.

    “To suggest disabled people should be treated as second-class citizens is shocking and shows just what a warped world some Tories demonstrate they inhabit,” she added.

    Sophie Corlett, director of external relations for Mind, described the suggestion as “preposterous”.

    “People with mental health problems should not be considered a source of cheap labour and should be paid appropriately for the jobs they do,” she added.

    “We should be trying be educate employers and challenge negative attitudes towards mental health problems rather than forcing people with mental health problems to undercut their way in to the workforce.”

    Comment by Anonymous — June 17, 2011 @ 3:46 pm

  219. Hi I have got a medical monday i suffer from depression and feel so down so close to the edge if a fail i feel my life will be over

    Comment by Anonymous — June 26, 2011 @ 9:53 am

  220. Hello Anon.

    Your life will not be over, go to the assessment and take what’s coming to you, we are all in the same boat and you are not alone, click on here and get free expert advice http://www.dwpexamination.org the worst that can happen is you have to appeal and accept the assessment rate (same as job seekers allowance) , you still get a rent rebate, and council tax rebate etc as well.
    So all is not lost, so don’t give in, that’s what they want you to do, join us to fight this scourge.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 26, 2011 @ 1:39 pm

  221. hi i have just come back from my tribunal for esa, and found the doctor and the solicitor very helpful.i had no medical evidence with me as was told by dwp they would collect relivent information from hospital records and my doctor on my behalf, this was not done, i also never received the first report from medical ,but when the solicotor showed me hers i was so shocked by what the doctor wrote i nearly died on the spot ,none of the statements were true,he stated that the medical lasted 45mins when infact iwas in there for 10 mins, he also stated that ineeded no help to stand ,which was false as he helped me himself .there were other statements that were false,so the solicotor and docter agreed that my tribunal should be continued in approx 6 weeks to allow me to get my evidence from hospital and doctors.they also told me to send photo copies not originals, but to bring originals along when i next appear. i so hope that i see these two at my next hearing as they seemed totaly shocked by my treatment,they also allowed my daughter to come in when she was not even put on the papers to attend.

    Comment by angela valentine — July 26, 2011 @ 1:35 pm

  222. Apparently its gonna get harder every year until no one with sticks will be walking the streets, we need to take direct action and get rid of this dreadful company ATOS….It beggars belief that they can operate in a civilised society.

    Comment by Anonymous — July 27, 2011 @ 10:15 am

  223. Trouble is people are trying to be independant and wish to get off benefit, instead of receiving help as promised by this Government, they are being screwed over, lied too, pissed on, and thrown on the scrap heap in the most appaling poverty… this has to change, this Government and their hangers on must somehow be destroyed root and branch, just the other day I was treated badly by one of these people in Sheffield, when I tried to get help to find work, the advisor, A Mr (well I won’t say his name,) but I can say he was extremely abusive, and started banging on about disabled people and how they are the cause of all the countries problems, I left the building in tears.
    If this is Camerons idea of helping us get help back to work then god help us all !!

    Comment by Anonymous — July 27, 2011 @ 10:25 am

  224. Hello All,

    Recently I had a fall at work and injured my neck, I spent the first few months virtually unable to move with sever neck pain. I was (and still am)ll forced to sleep lying flat on the floor as it was the only way I can get anywhere near comfortable.
    In the day time I was taking diazipam plus numerous other painkillers to help relive the pain. Shortly after as I was unable to continue my original job (wleder) and was made redundent so signed up with “Job Center Plus”. The guy I spoke to told me that I was entitled to incapacity benifit and I started the claim.

    Currently I am still undergoing treatment and still suffer severe spasms where all of my neck muscles tighten up resulting in me having to lie down flat on the floor (in pain) for hours / days or until it has subsided.

    Recently I recieved a letter and questionaire from ATOS to attend a medical examination.
    To me the questionaire dosent seem at all relevent to anyone with a neck injury, I can walk, I can generally raise my arms although but I couldnt lift somthing heavy above my head or even to head height without severe agrivation. I can not turn my neck left or right up or down, so have very little spatial awareness which meens I bump into my surroundings and often other people if i don’t know they are beside me (most embarissing). Due to this I no longer drive as I don’t consider it to be safe to do so.

    Some days can be o’k and I’ll have little or no pain other days i’ll be lay on the floor in agony, the symptoms can be triggered by somthing as simple as moving too quickly, or even just having my neck in the wrong posistion.
    Two weeks ago I recieved a letter from the DWP telling me that they are stopping my benefits as I haven’t scored highly enough on their system, I was amazed and pretty upset it felt like i was being told that there was nothing wrong with me.
    I have phoned the DWP to explain my situation and told them that I am signed off work as my doctor and the specialist dealing with my case don’t consider I am fit for work, and lifting or doing anything that may agrivate tha condition could make things worse than they allready are.

    I was totally dumbfounded by the DWP representitives resonse, they told me that despite the doctor and specialist signing me “Unfit for work” they can overide the doctors decision! Surely this cannot be the case?
    Surely DWP cannot overide a doctor and say that you are fit for work when your doctor says you are not?

    I would love to here any feedback.

    Comment by Mark Hansen — August 4, 2011 @ 11:10 am

  225. Hello Mark.

    Yes they can overide your Dr, Consultant, Specialist in fact they can overide anyone they like, AMAZING isn’t it ?.
    Bet you would never have believed it in a million years, unless you go through it and experience it for yourself, which you have done.
    Try and explain to your friends or family, they will say…GET OFF they can’t do that, they must have some kind of decorum, your talking rubbish, they must stay within the law.

    And you try and explain it to the general public, they just will not believe it either, and here lies the problem Mark, the DWP and ATOS are getting away with it because they can…get away with it. And have… been getting away with it for over two years now.
    Does it make you angry ?, does it not make you want to fight them with every last ounce of your energy ?. Does it not make you want to do something to help us fight them.
    You can help here at our forum http://www.dwpexamination.org or you can do what thousands of others are doing, just curl up in a ball and die. I knew which one I wanted to do.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 4, 2011 @ 1:45 pm

  226. Hello, this comment is for Mark Hansen. Mark get in touch with your MP. Write to Anne Begg MP, she is the Chair of the DWP select committee, they are aware of how Atos operates. Get advice from the Citizens Advice people. What has happened to you and many others is a disgrace and an outrage. I know that all this takes time and effort but it is the only way to get your voice heard. Be tenacious and please do not give up. If we all target our MPs etc., sooner or later the penny will drop that Atos is only fit for one purpose and that is certainly not fairly assessing people but making PROFIT. Good luck. Eileen

    Comment by Eileen Carroll — September 2, 2011 @ 9:53 pm

  227. Hi,

    I won my first tier tribunal 19 August 2011 after 14 months of battling and stress.

    I suffer PTSD after being raped in my 20’s by my Father and I have had to re-live the whole ordeal over and over. I have just moved out of my partners home due to a breakdown in the relationship, aggrevated by the continuous stress caused by the assessment process.

    I am still awaiting my extra component to be restated and the 14 months of back pay that I am awed, the DWP still say they haven’t been notified of the outcome by ATOS and NOT to ring back until the end of September.

    I applied for a CCG on the 22.08.2011 and have received a letter on Saturday (3.9.2011) stating I am not on ESA!!!!! So don’t qualify for a CCG.

    I have spent the entire weekend distressed as I am now unsure if my benefits have been suspended in full, upset by the telephone questions asked at the assessment for my CCG, and am also worried that if they have suspended my ESA without informing me, that my Housing Benefit and Council Tax will also be effected, so as I am a new tenant then I am extremely worried they will evict me without notice, as I am only 3 weeks into my tenancy – and have no items other than my clothes to my name.

    I daren’t ring back about ESA as I was told specifically NOT to call back until the end of September.

    Does anyone know why / how this could be happening as I am totally confused and cannot make sense of it, the additional Stress is seriously effecting my ability to function with day to day tasks. Any information / advice would be greatly appreciated as I feel lost and completely alone and isolated.

    Thank you in advance.

    Comment by Anonymous — September 4, 2011 @ 11:41 am

  228. You say you just won your tribunal just recently (19 August) and unsure of when you will receive all backdated money.
    I can tell you that when you win an appeal they are not in a great hurry to reimburse you, but they will do eventually (mine was 6 weeks), on the other hand if you lose an appeal you would know all about it within a week.

    Ok your worried about your rent etc, which leads me to the question ”DID YOU ASK THE DWP TO BE PAID AT THE ASSESSMENT RATE WHILST WAITING FOR YOUR APPEAL TO BE HEARD ?” Notice how I say did you ask ? because they don’t tell you that you are entitled to the assessment rate, you have to ask THEM. you can see what they are trying to do then cant you.

    The reason they are telling you that you are not on ESA is because as far as they are concerned you haven’t won your tribunal yet, do you follow what they are trying to do ?. It’s all deceit, it’s all smoke and mirrors and hiding in the dark.
    And as far as I’m concerned it’s all a disgrace, something should be done about these people, and fight them here at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Because if we don’t fight them now, as WINSTON CHURCHILL SAID.

    “Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves. ”

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 4, 2011 @ 12:17 pm

  229. My medical examinaton was by a registered nurse, no doctor present. My appeal was upheld and this was by a telephone call only

    Comment by Keith Stoddart — September 10, 2011 @ 7:23 pm

  230. Hi Keith.

    Congratulations, but I’m not too sure what you mean, did you wait for an appeal with a tribunal and they upheld it and informed you by phone or did the DWP call you by phone after the DWP decision maker reconsidered and found in your favour.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 11, 2011 @ 9:02 am

  231. I recently failed an ESA medical, scored 0 points. I have a Shoulder injury from a serious Car accident 2 years ago, I have had in total 3 major operations to try and fix it, anyway I was due my third operation 1 week after my recent medical took place (Took letter evidence with me), still failed, I obviously appealed and included a full detailed report from my surgeon, listing all the procedures he did during the 5 hour operation, I then ended my appeal with a statement for the tribunal to look at the procedures underttok, and to then research what kind of life I was living before the sugery.
    Two weeks later, I received another ESA 50 form, I rang the DWP to ask if this was a joke, they said that “I have to fill in the ESA 50, and it says on her computer that I will be required to attend another medical because my condition has worsened, I explained that I am in an Orthopaedic sling and will be for the next 3 months, she then said “Well then, you will prob receive the full 15 points and pass your medical, your appeal will then end in your favour, and you will then continue on ESA, and receive backdated ESA for the reduction”, This is wrong surely, I want to have my day in court because I know they should not have failed my first medical.
    “What can I do”????

    Comment by Anonymous — September 18, 2011 @ 10:37 pm

  232. Hello Anon.

    Of course it’s wrong and they are messing you around, and that’s because you are uneducated in their ways, so get yourself educated, and that applies to everybody, get switched on and do something about it, how can you do this ?.

    Well you can visit this forum and get expert free advice http://www.dwpexamination.org that’s the first thing you should do, the second thing you should do is recognise this is all a scam, and if you don’t want to be their slave, then start thinking about what you are going to do about it, therefore visiting the above site will kill two birds with one stone.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 19, 2011 @ 3:46 am

  233. i had my medical examination total farce i failed under threat of no money to live on .

    i have had major spinal surgery causing probs with my legs.

    major stomach surgery

    heart attack cardiac arrest arterial stents now causing me to be breathless and basicaly feeling ill .

    reports are untruthful as i was waiting over an hour for examination and they were running late.

    as i cant sit still for too long as pain level build up i scored zero by time i went in for examination i had change seating position god know how many times and was in agony .

    every body will fail this examination unless you have an oscar in acting and can lie through your teeth you got no chance .

    these examination are purely to stop goverment paying you end of story

    Comment by john — September 23, 2011 @ 2:41 pm

  234. Yes John you have found out the truth for yourself, and you see that we weren’t lying, it’s all a con to stop your money, nothing less than a con and we are trying to do something here at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org it’s an absolute disgrace this Government and their lackeys are allowed to get away with this.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 23, 2011 @ 4:19 pm

  235. I am facing the Gestapo today 7th October 2011.

    Wish me luck.

    After reading all the comments on here I think I’m gonna need it.

    Ihave never been so nervous in all my life !!!

    Comment by Christine — October 7, 2011 @ 10:43 am

  236. You don’t need to be nervous today Christine, wait until you see your ESA 85 medical report first then get advice on what to do next, here at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 7, 2011 @ 12:10 pm

  237. Thank you.
    I have just tried to register on the forum but messed the validation code up twice.

    I blame the nerves of meeting the Gestapo lol.

    Comment by Christine — October 7, 2011 @ 12:48 pm

  238. Well would you believe it !!!! I was just leaving my house for my appointment and I get a phone call to say that they are running an hour late !!!!!

    I had the option of either still attending today or rearranging ,so as my daughter was taking time off work to take me and had to be back at work by 5.30pm I opted for a rearranged appointment.

    Comment by Christine — October 7, 2011 @ 2:05 pm

  239. Keep the appointment off for as long as possible, the longer the better.
    (PS) Welcome to the forum…LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 7, 2011 @ 3:06 pm

  240. I have now had 4 medicals & now have just been sent another form to fill in. I am still waiting for an appeal hearing from September 2010 when they said I was fit for work, I then asked for a reconsideration then placed on work related activity, on the advice of my GP appealed for the care component, &and still waiting. Had another medical 6 months later, placed on the work related activity, also appealed that decision then placed on the care component. And now another medical, they know that I have serious lung function , mobility, and other problems. I have sent letters from my consultants stating that it would be dangerous for me to work because of picking up serious infections that could put my life in danger, and that it is a life long condition. Do they try to ware you down hoping that you will not continue with the claim. I am growing weary of all the hassle. Only 7 years before I retire.

    Comment by John — October 7, 2011 @ 5:53 pm

  241. That’s it John, sadly they are trying to wear us all down, don’t get worn down though, keep appealing and fighting, you can get loads of help here at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org plus links to lots of other sites, as well as plenty of advice on your next steps etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 7, 2011 @ 8:34 pm

  242. I failed my medical and had to goto a tribunal today, happy to say that i passed on section 29(2)(B)
    The reason for this is that i am in full time employment but they don’t have any light duties that i could carry out as it all involves heavy lifting.
    But 4 people before me that looked worse for wear than i did all failed

    Comment by Davie — October 18, 2011 @ 9:37 pm

  243. Sorry Davie I’m not being funny but I’m struggling to understand part of your post, appealing and in full time employment and it’s all heavy lifting with no light duties but the appeal panel allowed your appeal ?.
    Four people who went in before you looked worse than yourself but their appeals failed ? well I can understand that, because some of the appeal panel members are biased as well, look at the figures, 70% win their appeals if they have professional assistance ? I reckon it should be 99% winning their appeals with professional help.
    70% winning their appeals is a joke not a victory, because remember that’s only 70% of a third because around 60 odd % don’t even bother for various reasons to appeal, in other words only around 30 odd % even bother to appeal.
    So out of the 60 odd % who don’t bother to appeal will number the shirkers, as well as the people who are so ill they don’t even know where they are never mind knowing they have a right to an appeal, then there is the people who just can’t be bothered because of all the hassle it entails, then the others who due to where they live just cannot get any help, and don’t forget the ones who don’t know there rights and didn’t know they could appeal, there is other reasons as well.
    As I said above 70% of 33% is a joke not a victory, and is one of the main reasons for the DWP encouragement of these cynical and draconian decisions as well as the refusal to give help to genuine claimants.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 19, 2011 @ 10:46 am

  244. Ok this is my story.I ripped all my tendons in my shoulder, ripped the muscle and dislocated my shoulder and am in the healing process yet Atos said i was fit for work,
    So tried to go back to work even when my doctor and surgeon said no. My work refused and i told the dss this and they still said no and sent me for the tribunal. And at the tribunal the doctor agreed with everything i said and passed me unfit under section 29,2,b….what i was saying is the fact that the four before me looked worse yet failed had left me with no confidence of winning and had shocked me that they had failed. I agree that its not a a way of helping people back to work or to help them get more out of life. Its a way to get them off payments and try save the money and make Atos some money at the same time at the expense of the poor ill health people of the UK.

    Comment by Davie — October 19, 2011 @ 10:49 pm

  245. I would also like to say that if i had failed my appeal then i could not sign on for payments because i had full time employment,but could not go back to work due to my injury and health and safety reasons at work. so in a nut shell i would have been left with no money then made homeless and then living under a bridge. Or i could have gave up my job then get nanned from the dss for giving up employment that are not paying me and still been left without a penny and homeless. so by no means take my post as smug or anything. i was in a very desperate situation and was only showing my joy that i had passed the so called test and would not be left without a penny and homeless. and now i can have the proper time to heal and then get back to my job and start making a wage again.

    Comment by Davie — October 19, 2011 @ 10:54 pm

  246. I understand now Davie, and I agree that what they are doing to people like yourself is a disgrace, it’s about time they were outed, about time the people (sheeple) of this country realised what kind of scumbag Government this is, this Government are well aware of what ATOS/DWP are doing but still they allow them to carry on.
    God knows when it will end, God knows if it will ever end.
    You say four people went in before you and failed, it’s terrible that you can have health problems and because the poxy decision maker says you don’t deserve 15 points then that’s it if the panel agree, you sign on or starve.
    And this is the Governments idea of justice and Chris Graylings idea of helping people in to work !!
    Anyway get well soon Davie and good luck.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 20, 2011 @ 1:13 am

  247. Hello, I claim IS for myself and my partner, I have bipolar effective disorder 1 and my partner has chronic pain syndrome, my partner has had her form, I filled it in as she can not and she has been for her interview with Atos, 9 weeks on she has not had a decision regarding her interview, this is the first part of our problem, the second part is 8 weeks ago the DWP phoned me to check my details, my name, NI number, and informed me that they would send a form out for me to fill myself, on Friday just gone I received the form from Atos, now here is the issue, I changed my name by change of name deed over three years ago, changed all my benefits over to my current name, passport, driving licence, disability, everything like the deed by law states I sent the DWP my change of name deed 3 years ago because it states on there that I have to use my new name in all corresponding public and private in any paperwork, they changed all my benefits over to my assumed name to which all my letters for the last three years have been in that name, my benefit claim is in my deed name, the letter the DWP sent me saying they were contacting me about the change in benefits was sent to my correct name, the letter Atos sent me with the form to fill in was in my previous name asking for that name to provide details on my disability, I do not receive any NHS treatment or benefits under the name atos have asked for, and my deed says I am not legally obliged to answer the DWP or anyone working for the DWP because of the deed, in my previous name at all, I am very confused and do not know who to contact, what do I do i could lose my benefits because of this massive mistake by them?

    Comment by jamesfinch01 — October 30, 2011 @ 7:31 am

  248. Hi James.

    It’s totally mystifying to me how ATOS who are also a multi-national IT company should have any information about you in your old name at all, and I can understand your dilemma, these fools at ATOS are liable to try and blame you, it might seem you have a choice like don’t say anything to ATOS as in acknowledging their letter and hope they will go away, or contacting the DWP by letter and explaining the situation and at the same time requesting a signed return letter from the DWP that they have all your correct details and have passed all those correct deatails to ATOS.
    I can tell you that the first option is not recommended because ATOS will not go away, I believe ATOS must still have your old details and are using your old details, for some reason they haven’t been updated by them from the DWP, so the second choice is the only real alternative, which is to contact the DWP and inform them that ATOS still have and are using your old details, because if you don’t and just ignore it all you are only storing up trouble for yourself in the future.
    That’s what I would do, but if it doesn’t suit you to discuss your old name with the DWP or anyone else then I can suggest you speak to your nearest welfare rights or CAB for the best way forward that doesn’t expose you to unnecessary dangers. You can also log in to the forum below, perhaps some of our experienced readers can advise further.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 30, 2011 @ 8:33 am

  249. ATOS are acting as the proxy of the state power. The agenda is to get as many people off the higher payment of IB onto lower JSA or ESA. To save money to transfer it to the coffers of finance capitalists for lending money to bail out the banks. They know there is no work even if you look for it or even if you are capable of doing it. The overriding drive is hand out less money to live on. They are not concerned whether you are genuinely incapacitated or faking it. If you are wheeled into the exam room on an iron lung they will still fabricate a report to find you fit for work. You are being confronted and spotballed by the alien state power through their agency. It doesn’t really matter how you handle the so-called medical assessment. My medical is due soon. I will appeal against the inevitable and hope that I win it. If not, I understand that after 6 months you can re-apply for ESA. My hatred for them and their system is unadulterated and deeper than the deepest depth of any ocean. They are playing a game once you are in the exam room. You have to learn to be a game player. If you have a pulse and you can say “yes” or “no” you are considered fit for work. The so-called Medical professionals who prostitute themselves to do this work fall into the category of “sub-humans”. Fullstop. Speaking politically, my experiences of this system have turned me into a Marxist, into a revolutionary. Full throttle forward to war and revolution.
    Best Wishes

    Comment by Spartacus — November 5, 2011 @ 8:31 pm

  250. You bet Spartacus, I’m struggling to find something to disagree with your line of thought, and can’t find anything…except I don’t like the sound of that iron lung though, gives me the creeps just thinking about it……LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 5, 2011 @ 10:08 pm

  251. Really enjoyed reading all the info on here, really helpful…or @least i hope it will be. I am a fellow mental health sufferer and hate admitting this, also I suffer bad Ibs, which is humiliating to say the least. At times I so hate my life but as a mum of three I go on. I am a single mam and so it adds to the pressure but not single by choice. I have had several medicals in the past and found them to be ok but this one is stressing me out so much after hearing all the negative reports about it. I have decided that if its a fight they want then they shall get it, I am genuine so I will go and be as I was before ..open and honest with truthful answers but this time i will take a friend to take notes for me to support me in the event I fail due to their poor ability to tick the correct boxes and bad hearing problems they appear to have. thanks

    Comment by cam — November 9, 2011 @ 3:45 pm

  252. Hello Cam.

    There’s plenty of more information on the forum, and plenty of help as well, all you need to do is ask http://www.dwpexamination.org you will see we are fighting these cruel reforms and getting noticed too..!!

    Good luck.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 9, 2011 @ 4:01 pm

  253. anyone explain this in plain english, I am reading to much now and confused sorry………..If the information supplied on a customer’s medical questionnaire (ESA50) suggests that the customer may be eligible for the Support Group (and for IB reassessment customers, the Work Related Activity Group), we may request further medical evidence from their GP or other medical specialist without inviting them in for a face to face assessment.
    We and the Department for Work and Pensions encourage customers to submit any additional medical evidence that may be appropriate for consideration of their claim throughout the process.

    Also i forgot to mention in my last message my ex sis in law works for dss who make decisions and i am wondering if i can make sure she has no part in decision making on my assesment claim, i had only just told my solicitor that she had threatened me she would see i loose everything. I know I am genuine but she has probs more clout than me . . cheers

    Comment by Anonymous — November 9, 2011 @ 4:03 pm

  254. I will join the campaign.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 9, 2011 @ 4:04 pm

  255. Hello Anon.

    It just means that when you send in your ESA 50 you can send in medical evidence from your Doctor or Consultant and they claim they will look at it when they receive the report from ATOS in regard to your fitness for work, it also means they will if they so desire write to your GP or Consultant and ask for medical evidence, the truth is they never do that unless they think it would be in their favour, don’t forget they want you off sickness benefits and a good report in your favour is not going to help their cause.
    As for your bette noir in the DWP decision making process, it would be extreme bad luck if that particular person got a hold of your case, and if she did then you will soon find out because the decision maker has to sign their name to any decisions addressed to you, and if you see the name that swore to make trouble for you then you can use that at your appeal, just to be on the safe side though check that out with welfare rights on the best course of action if it turns out that is the case.
    Don’t forget to pop in to the forum for help in the future http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 9, 2011 @ 8:47 pm

  256. I am so scared about my medical, 6 year ago I was sexually assaulted, I had counseling and was on anti depressant tablets as well as sleeping tablets, within a year I was going to the local shop only ever with my mother, or to doctors and dentist appointments with my mother, she is a godsend my mum she does everything for me, I was put on I.B and three year later I was given a date for a medical, my mum phoned and told them it had to be with a woman as I panic around men, their reply was they had no women working there, asked me a few questions via my mum on the phone (as she makes all my calls) and the passed me and give me 3 year I.B how ever a year later while out visiting my dentist we noticed my attacker moving in round the corner, ever since that day I have never left the house, wont go to the doctors, the dentist no-where, and in time my fear has become worse, I feel physically sick at the thought of going out, I panic when theres a knock at the door and my mum has just popped out, I have put on so much weight cause I don’t do anything I lay in my room and god bless my little sister she comes in my room most nights talking to me keeping me company, well I am due another medical but I can’t go out the house to go their so I had to get my mum to ring my doctor and get him to fax over a medical note to say I need a home visit, he has done this, how long do you think it will take to receive a date? I struggle talking to new people I always get upset and start crying so I’m going to look so stupid, I don’t know what to expect or anything.

    Comment by Distressed — November 18, 2011 @ 10:19 pm

  257. Hello Distressed.

    How long to receive a date ? how longs a piece of string, you could receive a date anytime, and the HCP will not be there long so I wouldn’t worry about it. So if you feel like bursting in to tears then just do it, never mind if it makes you look stupid or embarrassed, they are the ones who should feel embarrassed…doing a dreadful job like that…!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 19, 2011 @ 5:58 am

  258. Hi everyone

    My brother, who suffers with Bipolar, had his medical assessment in September. He received the outcome last week – 0 points.

    His appointment had to be re-scheduled 3 times due to ATOS cancelling but failing to notify in good time (we attended twice only to have to leave and re-schedule again). On the second attempt I requested the receptionist re-schedule the appointment there and then. She called the appointment line and told the person my brother was to be booked in with a doctor.

    On the day he was actually seen by a nurse. I sat down next to my brother with my notepad and pen and was promtly told notes were not allowed without prior permission… her questioning was speedy and abrupt which caused my brother to get in a real fluster (I complained to her several times and requested she explain the question and slowly). She quizzed him about accidents he had years ago (he cannot fully remember the details of these as he had a sever drug addiction at the time) then, later when asking other questions, my brother included events from the past in his answer only to be told she was not interested in anything connected with the past only the last year! arrrghhhhhhhhh.

    If these people could see how he lives, how he avoids conversations with strangers, how paranoid he is and tried to spend more than an hour straight with him I am sure they would realise he couldnt possibly work. I am his sister and I struggle to spend more than an hour in his sole company, poor bugger.

    Anyhow, I am going to respond, on his behalf.

    I am a little confused whether I should be, first, requesting they reconsider their decision or going straight to appeal – can anyone help with that?

    I have prepared a letter of authorisation to enable me deal with this process on his behalf and have also requested a copy of the assessment notes taken during the assessment.

    Thanks in advance

    Comment by lou — November 22, 2011 @ 7:13 pm

  259. it will go to appeal dwp not interested in how ill you are purely to get you on job seekers to cut your benefits pure and simple .
    my benefits stopped .now going to tribunal
    on my assesment to tribunal the dwp asked that their descision was not overturned .
    and should remain as they decided waiting on my appeal at hm courts and appeals .

    if their as bent as dwp don’t hold out much hope .

    will be expected to go on job seeker without a hope in hell off anyone employing me .

    but they will have succeeded in cutting my benefits to the bare minimum .

    I only have damaged heart muscle and valve with arteries still blocked they cant clear .

    major spinal surgery plus major surgery to my stomach that was supposed to be keyhole and ended up on life support with 37 steel staples in my guts .

    so that qualify me fit to work scored big zero in their assesment by atos health care.
    so we are all basicaly fit for work according to them unless your dead .


    Comment by john r — November 22, 2011 @ 7:58 pm

  260. Hi Lou.

    I hope you have applied for the appeal form it’s called GL 24, and the other thing you need is the HCPs assessment report that’s called the ESA 85, look at the descriptors and see which ones apply to your brother, and compare with what the ATOS HCP has said on his report you will notice plenty of mistakes, compose the appeal and send it off.
    If they (DWP) are going to reconsider they will do so and inform you that your appeal has failed, as you can see that’s just a con to gain time and hope you are put off and give up, of course you are not going to give up, just send them a short letter (or even a phone call) and let them know you wish to carry on with the appeal. Sometimes they don’t bother to tell you they have reconsidered and just get on with sending on the appeal to the tribunal.
    If you need any help just log in to the forum and all the help you need is available on there from real people some of them with the same experiences as your brother.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 22, 2011 @ 8:21 pm

  261. Hello John.

    With your health conditions winning an appeal will be no problem, you don’t need to sign on while waiting for the appeal hearing, you can get the assessment rate which is the same deal as job seekers anyway so there’s no point in signing on.
    You can also get help and support on the forum if you need it http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 22, 2011 @ 9:42 pm

  262. Hi dwpexamination

    Thank you so much for your speedy reply.

    I have, today, re-done the letter and included everything you advised.

    I am so glad I found this website!

    Will keep everyone posted via the forum with progress…

    Comment by lou — November 23, 2011 @ 2:16 pm

  263. Hi Lou.

    Cheers…And do keep in touch with the forum because it’s a mine of information on there covering this Governments evil intentions towards us as well as the latest relevant news on the DWP and UNUM/ATOS etc etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 23, 2011 @ 3:50 pm

  264. It is indeed pity itself reading all the storeys of claimants being wronged in some way by Atos but many malingerers have been on state hound outs for years and years and it is indeed time to stop the leeching.
    One is currently involved with Atos and one needs to mention our core values and our main objective.
    We are under contract and we intend to save the Government £30 for every £5 invested into the contract term.
    The only real disability is a person who has lost all limbs and even then they can be re trained to write with the use of the mouth.
    You may if you so wish call Atos evil yet we are proving to the tax paying public that most disabled people are simply defrauding the UK taxpayers.
    We treat all people with the utmost respect and even many claims are stopped in due course the claimants are quite happy that we have done our role and are sending them out to seek gainfull employment.
    Quentin James Sanderson

    Comment by Quentin James Sanderson — November 25, 2011 @ 1:27 am

  265. just proves my point atos don’t give a crap it all about saving goverment money.

    hope you or your family suffer horrendously like some other benefits claimant
    we are all treaded like crooks.
    to understand any ailments or disability truely you have to experience them first hand

    i have been at deaths door twice not a nice experience .

    have scar from my butt 8 inches up my back after some rather brutal surgery back 1977 causes me all sort of grief .
    i have scar from rib cage to below my navel keyhole surgery wife phoned hospital to find out how i was i was on life support .

    Had heart attack spent most of the day in falkirk hospital under observation
    50clock rushed through to hosital in edinburgh observed again cardiac arrest insued doctor had to be called in 3am
    to fit arterial stents to save my life .

    all these thing happeneded to me and i still have issues with them all

    pain from both operations after all these years . heart condition worst of them all totaly knackered up my health breathing problems angina

    and fell bloody awful at times . some morning i wish ihad never woken up .

    i was a very active guy before the stomach and heart attack . worked with back pain since 1976 till 2000. dwp declare me unfit for work not me .

    now im going trhough all the crap of a tick box medical .

    and they have not a clue how these thing affect my day to day life and frankly they don’t care .

    I could be telly lies about operation as the don’t consult any one although you give them permission to do so .

    up to you to supply evidence they wont go looking for it .

    tribunial here we come for more crap to deny me my benefits stress and heartache and probably more angina attacks

    Comment by john r — November 25, 2011 @ 9:12 am

  266. addition info to above post found with no disabilities basicaly benefit stopped . sign on for job seeker go get a job .

    if there is work out there that could manage certainly no help given as to what i could possibly do

    according to their report i’m fully fit and have no limitation as to what jobs i could do .

    so road digger heavy engineering would be easy suitable airline pilot .

    brain surgeon ye that would be good . a politician ye lie through yer teeth get away with defraud expenses ye that fine

    Comment by john r — November 25, 2011 @ 9:19 am

  267. Well said John, Well said..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 25, 2011 @ 9:30 am

  268. now in process of getting the assistance of a welfare officer to represent me at my case at the tribunal .

    think it’s unwise for anyone to try and take on these tribunals by themselves they will chew you up and spit you out .

    please get help don,t think for one minute you can take them on yourself .

    welfare services citizens advice . if any one can add more please do we need all the help we can get .

    Comment by john r — November 25, 2011 @ 9:42 am

  269. Hey John R, I think Quentin is being humorously ironic. It’s a send up of ATOS. He’s mocking them. He can’t possibly be serious, can he? Even the name – Quentin James Sanderson – sounds like one of Python’s upper class twits

    Best wishes

    Comment by spartacus — November 25, 2011 @ 3:18 pm

  270. Addendum

    Hey “Quentin”, you mischievous little imp! Come clean and admit it’s a humourous prod!! Otherwise we will send your details to ATOS stating that you know how to use a computer and therefore you are fit for work!!

    Kirk Douglas

    Comment by spartacus — November 25, 2011 @ 3:25 pm

  271. Another addendum

    Actually, (and ironically) these ATOS staff really aren’t fit for work, or rather aren’t fit for any other kind of work which involves forming humanistic relations with others. Sociopathic Personality Disorder must be a requirement of the post at the top of the job specification sheet. If you are not a congenital misanthrop and you cannot persecute people then don’t apply for the job. The concentration camp guards in Nazi Germany thought they were “normal”


    Comment by spartacus — November 25, 2011 @ 3:46 pm

  272. atos so called medical examinations are a farce. they would be funny if the outcome of them was not so serious

    causing serious misery for all genuine claimants .

    Comment by john r — November 26, 2011 @ 9:23 am

  273. My uncle has just been to Thornaby for a medical, he had an accident and lost part of his leg and they failed him.
    These people are a joke

    Comment by peedoff — November 26, 2011 @ 7:56 pm

  274. People with lung cancer and brain tumours are being failed at their assessment. It’s a national disgrace and has been going on for far to long, it’s about time it ended and a fair non conflict of interest system installed. We are exposing them here http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Thornaby ? that’s where Debbie Carr worked as a nurse for ATOS, she had a facebook page and described disabled and ill people from that area as down and outs etc.
    Word got around and loads of complaints went in to the DWP and ATOS about her, we waited with baited breath to learn her fate, and guess what ? was she sacked for bringing ATOS into disrepute ? Nope, she was allowed to resign to carry on her career elsewhere, absolutely scandalous.
    Everyone from that area who has had an assessment with her had no chance because she is completely biased, therefore they should all complain to ATOS/DWP and demand a new assessment.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 26, 2011 @ 8:17 pm

  275. i had phone call this afternoon asking me to attend 5 ways medicle office in birmingham,my friend has offerd to take me,as i can hardly walk as i have gout in both feet and can hardly stand at all,only to be pushed for the earleyist date available,so he put me down for to mozz,can i phone them back in the morning stateing that with out transport and help it will only cause more stress,would my money be stoped if i asked for a home vizit,allso if this agencey is so corrupt and leaving people well below the standard living can anyone tell me y this is going on,y arnt they being investigated,y havnt m.p.s brought this to the house of commons,because if this is the case there are going to be alot of family break ups due to financial pressure,crime rate will go back up,prisons are full at it is,chidren placements in homes as pearants will be deemed as not being able to look provide and care for,so is this matter going to be addressed,do you have any information that you have obtained or could share with any official that could act apon any-information gaind or recived by any one person,any groups of people or hundreds of complaints?

    Comment by lance — November 30, 2011 @ 6:16 pm

  276. Hello Lance.

    Where have YOU been hiding the last three years ? are you just finding out about this just now ?
    Yes people have complained to their MPs but nothing so far is being done, what does that suggest ?.
    Correct…they are all in on it, and don’t give a monkeys, you say…if this agency is so corrupt ? as if you had doubts, as if all those thousands and thousands of people who have been stitched up by ATOS and coming on to forums and blogs are somehow lying.
    Well phone them (ATOS) tomorrow and see what happens ? and when you don’t appear for your assessment, watch your money stopping, perhaps then you will stop having doubts…OK.

    Three years we have been battling these people fighting for peoples rights, and you are just becoming aware NOW…unbelievable..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 30, 2011 @ 7:12 pm

  277. Well…. I had issues with this “formation” of a joke we call ESA… I am 26 years old, worked from 15 years old and only claimed from any help on the Jan 09 from JSA, they informed me to be put on ESA at the end of July due to issues etc..I had my medical with them over 6 weeks now… the female doctor I saw, was rude and tried to make out that I was saying things and not even taking the medications that I brought in including prescriptive . Dating from when I was on JSA. I informed them that I only go out less then twice a week due to my depression and also with other medical problems, my day to day live is badly effected.. I also informed them that I am going to be referred to hospital due to pains with in the left side of my face and my left eye.. Even went as far as offered them my doctors number as the letters has not came back… Funny thing is, they have all that details of your GP on file.. they never use them. I got two letters , one on monday and one on Tuesday, telling me that I scored 0 and then the other one saying I will be have any income dated from the 18th of November this year… I filled a form to appeal but , I am also classed as homeless for over a year… How, in the heck, am I going to live off no money? The BNB I am still in , has the rent paid.. So, thanks to them and their “skillful” workers, I am in a worse pit of depression then before due to their stupidness and brainless actions that a monkey on a keys could do better… why could they not even bother to inform me BEFORE the week I get paid rather then just throw it.. The GP I see, has still signed me off.. So, ESA , ATSO, have messed my recovery over..

    Comment by Kaze — December 1, 2011 @ 2:09 am

  278. Kaze.

    This is not something that’s just came along last month, this has been going on for three years at least (0ctober 2008) people out there contact us as if this is just happening to them, we have been warning people for years what is going to happen to them, we have been telling everyone exactly what is going to happen to them with no bullshit. I want to ask you and all the others a question, you must have read the newspapers ? you must have at least heard the rumours ? you must have known this has been going on, why haven’t you joined us at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org or at least some other forum and helped out ?. Do you realise how frustrating it is to only hear from folk when it’s time to go for their assessment or have just failed their assessment ? are you people out there catching my drift ?.

    Kaze…you will not be living without money, you can claim the assessment rate while you wait for your appeal to be heard (It’s the same as Job seekers allowance) you will also get your rent paid etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 1, 2011 @ 9:40 am

  279. Hi everyone

    I just wanted to make you all aware that when I called the Jobcentre today (to ask where the hell my brother’s paperwork is) I asked if he will receive any money whilst going through the appeal process. They said he will IF he gets a sick note from his GP starting from the date they made their decision….

    I have until 14th December to appeal (wrote to them on 22nd November asking for report etc). They advised that I send in the appeal now (very difficult without their report to respond to). The woman who I spoke to was so rude and spoke to me like I was some down and out. I explained to her that I work 7 days a week and am appealing on behalf of my brother who can’t do it himself as he suffers from mental illness so I was ringing to chase the papers which would assist me or I would be ;eft to guess at why they refused him which will result in me typing pages and pages and pages in order to cover all angles… her reply ‘well you’ll just have to type pages and pages and pages then’… what a cow!

    Comment by lou — December 5, 2011 @ 7:04 pm

  280. We are not surprised Lou, this is the typical DWP attitude, they just don’t give a toss, glad to see you are helping your brother to appeal, he will need all the help he can get.
    Yes once he puts a line in, he will receive the assessment rate, it’s the same as job seekers etc.
    By the way, when you appeal, just be aware that they try to trick people by sending you a letter back saying your appeal has been considered and refused (Known as a reconsideration) it is not the appeal, it’s a DWP decision maker consideration and every single time they come away with this crap, trying to persuade you that your appeal has been heard and refused, so don’t fall for it, when you receive that notification, send them a letter outlining that you still wish to go forward with the appeal to the first tier tribunal. They will see you are not a mug and from then on the problems you experience will be almost zero.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 5, 2011 @ 9:26 pm

  281. i was refused DLA and i suffer with arthritis to right shoulder joints
    torn roto cuff muscles to both shoulders and tendonitis to both arms
    this week i have found that i also suffer via mri scan arthritis to lumber region loss of fluid to bottom 5 disc,s with a tear on one side and a bulge on right side pressing on nerve that has made left leg numb for the last ten years
    obvious DLA are only paid to dead bodies

    Comment by john ashwell — December 6, 2011 @ 7:57 pm

  282. Hi John.

    Well everyone was warned what was going to happen, and warned long ago, and it’s going to get worse if we don’t make an attempt to stop them, up to now we have been giving this Government a hard time and we are going to give them an even harder time here at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 7, 2011 @ 12:20 pm

  283. What i got to say is that apart form them ailments i am also insulin dependent so there so there is no surgery as my sugars are over twenty regards john

    Comment by john ashwell — December 7, 2011 @ 1:13 pm

  284. Hey dwpexamination

    Thanks again for the valuable advice.

    I spoke to my brother’s doctor regarding the sick note and his words were music to my ears…

    ‘Your brother is one of the genuine cases and I would love to hear what kind of work they think he can do. Those assessments are not geared for anyone suffering with mental health problems, they just want to know if you can touch your toes’

    He is going to supply the sick note and comment on it why, in his professional opinion (and having treated my brother for years), my brother is not fit for work… such a relief to know I have his full backing.

    I WILL fight this until my brother gets back what he is entitled to.

    Comment by lou — December 7, 2011 @ 7:02 pm

  285. the thing that sickens me is statement from dwp to tribunal not to overturn their descision .
    though tribunal was supposed to be independent .

    how can i possibly score big ZERO on my assessment with ischaemic heart desease angina surgery to my spine the old method before keyhole surgery .
    major stomach surgery 9inch scar down my spine causing me pain at all times gets worse the more activity i do then the opposite scale cant sit still to long either as it agravates the pain . stomach operation was brutal to say the least keyhole surgery my ass 37 staples to close keyhole bloody big keyhole on life support after the operation . cardiac arrest 2 years later jump started taken to surgery to unblock a major artery 2 stents fitted .

    all the above still effect me today in one way or another dead heart muscle whoopee thats fun .

    still don’t hold out much hope of winning when it eventualy goes to tribunal .
    from attitude so far they don’t give a toss they are only interested it cutting benefits .
    my house is bloody freezing cant afford to heat it due to benefit be stopped and now got doctors line in paid barely enough to pay food and bills

    country is in such a state the need to recoupe some money pick on the weak and disabled.

    this country is totaly screwed last person to leave please turn the lights off .

    will post again after tribunal win or loose .

    that my rant for today
    good luck to all who have to go through all this .

    Comment by john r — December 8, 2011 @ 9:33 am

  286. John…I agree its a farce and I have been through it four times, but judging by your description of your health conditions you can win at the appeal.
    As long as you understand what they are looking for, which is whether you can meet their descriptors, for instance I personally doubt (due to your health conditions) if you can stand for any decent length of time even if free to move around (I was 10 minutes and got the 9 points), if this is true and you can convince the panel then that is 9 points alone, then there is walking for 100 Metres and 200 Metres, if you can’t walk say 200 Metres then thats more points, then there is sitting, raising your arm and can’t bend and so on, they all add up to the points you are looking for.
    If the tribunal is truly impartial then you will win, if the tribunal are not impartial (And there is some) then no matter what you say they will find a way to deny you, let’s hope your panel sees sense and allows your appeal.
    Since you are going for your appeal shortly then you must be under the old descriptors and you can win.
    If it’s the new descriptors then obviously it’s much harder but for you it can be done.
    By the way the DWP always write on their submission to the appeal tribunal to ”Not overturn their decision” annoying but not unusual, an impartial tribunal will not even look at it..!!
    Have a look at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org and see discussions between like minded people as ourselves.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 8, 2011 @ 10:12 am

  287. Hi John
    on this independence thing of the appeal tribunal. Here is a little fable for you to consider.

    There was once a man who was in dispute with his neighbour about the height of his privat hedge blocking out all the light to his property. A mediator was appointed to arbitrate on the dispute. The man found out that his neighbour appointed the arbitrator and was paying the arbitrator for his decision. The man started to think that his so-called independence was in doubt and was not surprised to find out that he found in favour of his neighbour.
    The moral of this tale: whoever pays the piper calls the tune. The appeals panel is appointed by and paid by the same people who pay the DWP and ATOS their salaries
    Best Wishes

    Comment by Spartacus — December 10, 2011 @ 6:18 pm

  288. Hi everyone

    Just wondering if everyone has had the same problem with receiving money while appealing.

    I sent a doctor’s sick/fit note in for my brother so he could claim the reduced rate while we appeal – this was done 5 days ago (before the deadline).

    His Incapacity/Income Support Benefit ceased on 5th December. He received his last payment on 2nd December (normal amount)

    He has today told me he had been paid nothing!

    Surely he should have been paid at least 3 days at normal rate (3rd, 4th and 5th December).

    Does anyone know how long the turnaround time is for them to organise the reduced rate while appealing?

    Obviously I am going to ring them on Monday but just wanted to see if anyone knew the answer in the meantime as it would be good to be able to tell my brother something in order to calm him down :-(

    Thanks in advance

    Comment by lou — December 17, 2011 @ 6:08 pm

  289. Hello Lou.

    They try to spin it out for as long as possible, it all depends into whose hands it falls too on the day.
    I had to wait three weeks for mine, others report ten days, there’s no option but to be patient and try and ride it out.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 18, 2011 @ 12:10 am

  290. Thanks for your reply… much appreciated as always…

    I need to ring the council on Monday too in order to establish what happens with his rent and council tax… neverending this nightmare… I feel for everyone going through this and hope you all manage to have some kind of happiness over Christmas even with this stress lurking in the background

    Comment by lou — December 18, 2011 @ 2:03 pm

  291. hello all
    I am on the TV tonight (Xmas Eve), the late film at 2.10am on ITV1. Fighting an army of ATOS drones!! KILL! KILL! KILL! ARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!

    Comment by Anonymous — December 24, 2011 @ 4:43 pm

  292. I’m Spartacus!

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 24, 2011 @ 5:18 pm

  293. hi,
    my brother is awaiting an appointment foe examination thet recieved his form 3 weeks ago how long does it take to get appointment date .kind regards kazbo

    Comment by stephen macauley — December 29, 2011 @ 3:36 pm

  294. Hello Kazbo.

    It can take anything from a week to six weeks thereabouts, the longer he waits the better..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 29, 2011 @ 4:04 pm

  295. The “HCP” said in her report on my assessment Quote:-
    My claim of fatigue did not correspond with my answers due to Attending Hospital Appointments MYSELF.
    I have those appointments every three months to have blood samples taken and to pick up my 3 monthly supply as Retro-Viral Medication ( im HIV+ )
    So the blood that NEEDS TESTING IS MY OWN, What Planet are these people on?
    Its my blood that’s infected so its ME that has to go!!!

    Comment by Brian J — January 2, 2012 @ 1:33 pm

  296. Hello Brian.

    I hope you are going to appeal, because the appeal panel will not take a blind bit of notice of rubbish like that, they can think for themselves.
    If you need help with the appeal you can get it here at our sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org you can also get some help from your local welfare rights or the CAB, maybe even the welfare rights can represent you at the tribunal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 2, 2012 @ 2:09 pm

  297. i did appeal and they upheld her finding,
    Atos even ignore CD4 information which for people with HIV is an important factor.
    Im seeing the welfare Rights people on Wednesday the 3rd , the person i spoke to said being that my medical was Last January i can now reapply with a change in circumstance the facts i gave them originally did state HIV tho now my CD4 is below 200 i technically have AIDS.
    oh and at the next so called medical i will be recording the whole thing along with asking if the “HCP” or “health don’t care professional” has any qualifications in the field of genitourinary medicine and HIV/AIDS all of which i know ATOS totally ignore

    Comment by Brian J — January 2, 2012 @ 5:23 pm

  298. keep your chin up were all in the same boat our kid

    Comment by Anonymous — January 5, 2012 @ 12:26 pm

  299. woohoo finally my pain in the rear attitude has paid off.
    Atos and the DWP got a outside Doctor to look at my whole case and has answered their question in this:-

    Q Is the information contained with in the report entirely medically reasonable,e and appropriately justified?

    A, The justification does not take account of his (MY) fatigue or variability, nor does the justification for “risk and harm” support group take account of his level of immunity.
    The continence descriptor has not been properly addressed in the light of the side effects of his medication.

    Q, Was the medical examination and interview process conducted in accordance with Atos Healthcare`s Professional standards?

    A. NO, see the above comments.

    So now Atos the DWP , welfare rights and myself have written evidence that proves THEY WHERE WRONG.

    My next step (which is in progress ) is to have a judge over turn their finding without the need for yet another medical,
    Oh and 12 mouths back pay @ £30 a week to be payed to myself.

    i think this just proves that if you keep on at them there is always some light at the end of the tunnel.

    Comment by Brian j — January 5, 2012 @ 2:40 pm

  300. hi, this is all really confusing for me. I’m on highest care disabililty due to a severe anxiety disorder and agrophobia. i’m on income support with a covering of Incapacity benefit. Got a call the other day saying everyone on IS or IB are being switched to ESA and have to fill in forms and have interviews. Besides the fact I cannot leave the house and haven’t for years how do i go to an interview but also more importantly as i get income support every 2 weeks with severe disability premiums etc will i still get that while the ESA is worked out? Nobodys told me my income supports stopping. its really worrying me as i have children

    Comment by laura jones — January 5, 2012 @ 8:59 pm

  301. Hello Laura.

    You can’t go for an interview because you have a severe anxiety disorder and agoraphobia but they will try and force you to attend an interview by threatening to withdraw your benefits if you do not attend. Yes it’s cruel but that’s what they are doing to people and have been doing it for the last three years, of course if you do attend then according to them you do not have a health problem and therefore fit for work and all benefits will cease anyway, you can see it’s a catch twenty two.
    So what can you do ? the only way forward for you is to request a home visit citing your health problems as the reason, they will automatically deny you a home visit and insist you attend a face to face interview, you must resist and request again that you need a home visit etc, only this way will you get by the first part of their test, if after the assessment test at your home they inform you that you are fit for work then you must appeal, because the only other alternative is to concede that they have cured you and sign on.
    As far as your payments are concerned since you have children then things become more complicated and the best thing to do is contact your nearest CAB or Welfare rights office for their advice on where you stand financially. You can also visit our sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org where there are people in the same circumstances as yourself and can help you if you just ask them.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 5, 2012 @ 10:49 pm

  302. Government induced suicides have now unfortunately reached 1,600. When will this Government stop hounding disabled and ill people to their deaths.


    Comment by dwpexamination — January 6, 2012 @ 6:29 am

  303. Hello all.

    Former long term claimant of Incapacity benefit with Autism(Official diagnosis from doctors) went to an Atos medical last october, was failed with 12 points and should of scored more with the points we spoke about(She gave 0 for stuff I have evidence from doctors for) anyway, I lost my money late December, am appealing and am on Assessment rate ESA(135 pounds, was on 215 before failing).

    Found out that the woman from Atos who did my *Assessment* was a Physio with no mental health experience or qualifications.

    Feels like I’ve been cheated out of money I fully deserve.

    I am still utterly confused how a Physio can properly assess someone with mental health problems. But alas this is Atos, just so damn unfair that mental health claimants are being failed by people who aren’t even qualified in what you’re claiming in.


    Comment by Matthew — January 8, 2012 @ 8:16 pm

  304. Hello Mathew.

    Yes it is confusing but according to them it’s a functional assessment and not a medical assessment and all about what you can do rather than what you cannot do. And also according to them they are specially trained Health care professionals. Stop laughing.
    Anyway, take some medical evidence to the tribunal anyway and win your appeal and get that money these robbers owe you all backdated to the date they erroneously found you fit for work.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 8, 2012 @ 10:21 pm

  305. I had a medial appointment at thornaby but i haven’t left the house in 7 year, i tried getting a home appointment but there was a problem with the dr sending the fax over in time so the women from the medical center rang me and said the appointment at the center still had to made, but obviously I couldn’t go so she said not to worry the DWP will send you a form out asking for a good reason as to why you haven’t been, so they could put me through for a new appointment, I have regular counseling, I don’t go out the house, I can’t be around men due to the past (which is a reason i don’t go out become so scared) but now I’f just had a letter off the DWP saying a man named paul from the DPW is coming out to my house to talk about the consequence of not going I am so confused my mam is ringing up tomorrow to request a female comes out, but has anyone had this before?? Do you know what it is and what it’s for?? I was told I would be sent a form out, see I get nervous around new people I have panic attacks and they know that so thought it must be serious?? Help

    Comment by confused — January 9, 2012 @ 12:39 am

  306. Hello confused.

    No I have never heard of it before, your ma is doing the right thing though which is just phone them and explain the situation again, you do not wish a man to attend your house to give you an assessment or to talk about anything so could you please send a female…Thank you.

    Nothing can be more clearer than that, and if they insist in defying your wishes then just don’t open the door, and phone them again to explain your previous request.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 9, 2012 @ 7:41 am

  307. @Dwpexamination

    Thankyou for your support but I’m wondering, how long does it take to get the atos report? We only recieved the failure notice with a list of what I got points for before christmas, so we basically appealed on the grounds of areas that were missed by the person with what I deserved points on, pending the Atos report arriving, I sent in a week before christmas, and 3-4 weeks later still no Atos report so assuming I was right not to wait

    It said on the paper that they didnt contact my GP or doctors so im on half money till the tribunal date, just wondering why its taking so long for them to give us the required paperwork, assuming because as they told us, they’re being over run with appeals to the point of collapse.

    I hate this whole thing, I don’t like thinking of being disabled because its depressing, like the times ive overdosed due to depression and stuff like that, Autism aside, ive been a lot of work to people, including the people making reports on my condition.

    Wish the goverment would leave the disabled alone, there are almost 3 million unemployed people out there, why target the most vulnerable? Its sick really, these work programs dont work for the disabled, very very very few according to reports return to work, the rest appeal, its madness as disabled people have no chance against fully abled people, I myself have no qualifications, and left school at 15, more like 14 considering the time off i had due to issues.

    Comment by Matthew — January 10, 2012 @ 8:20 am

  308. Hello Mathew.

    The ATOS report otherwise known as the ESA 85 should be sent to you within the week, I received mine next day after I was phoned by a decision maker. But it usually takes a week for them to get round to it, didn’t you know that the DWP monsters are run of their feet ? poor things, who gives a toss right ?.
    Good that you have appealed Mathew, you can see now why they delay sending the report, besides the fact they are chocked to the gunwales with work (That’s good the more work the bastards get the better) it’s so you are forced to appeal without seeing the lies that ATOS healthcare have said about you, now that your appeal is in you should demand your ESA 85 and sit down before you read it mate because you are in for one fucking shock, these reports are so bad people actually think they were written for someone else and somehow they were mixed up.
    Some disabled activists have compiled their own report and no surprise there it is totally different from anything the Government have published, you can download it here folks.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 10, 2012 @ 11:42 am

  309. Just recieved papers confirming my appeal, and stating tribunal information should follow later, good to have confirmation that things are moving ahead, hopefully they’l have the atos stuff here soon and we can get to work on a detailed appeal and gives me time to gather more evidence to back up my points which works too. Although the whole situation sucks, I’ve taken heart in the fact the ball is finally rolling.

    Comment by Matthew — January 10, 2012 @ 11:43 am

  310. I have been awarded a 60% War Disablement Pension due to my injuries while serving in the Army and am unable to work. I have not received Incapacity Benefit or any payment in over two years as I get my benefits via my pension and I cannot be paid twice. I have now been informed by DWP that I must attend a ESA medical to keep my benefit. I have told them that I received nothing from them and it would be pointless, pass or fail I will still receive nothing from them. I have informed my Veterans Welfare Department and have been told that DWP cannot ask me to attend a medical, but DWP say they can, even as I receive no payment I get pension credit towards my state pension and again I have told DWP I have reached over the 30 year period to get my basic state pension and because I get certain extra payments in my War Disablement Pension I cannot have my State Pension. So why are the DWP doing this to me and 1000’s of disabled servicemen, so much for Queen and country.

    Comment by Trevor — January 11, 2012 @ 2:40 pm

  311. Hello Trevor.

    Our so called Department of work and pensions seem to be a law unto themselves, and it’s amazing how uninformed they are about what they can do and cannot do, if I were you I would contact the nearest Welfare rights office or Citizens advice bureau just to make sure 100% that you and the VWD are correct, if so then you are free to ignore them.
    Check it out first, do not hope the gunpowder is and will stay dry…

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 11, 2012 @ 2:50 pm

  312. Trevor sadly you’re just another victim of many of this cost cutting excercise at the expense of the disabled/vulnerable in society, as we can’t fight back they keep doing this, it’s clear by the fact they want you in to *Assess* you that they want to try and take some of your money off you, wherever or not they can is anyones guess, just realise these people arent even qualified to assess you, as said above i have mental health issues amongst others, with well documented proof at hospitals etc but all it took is one Atos *Healthcare professional* who was actually a Physio(confirmed by DWP) to remove my money, now on assessment rate. Clearly Atos and those associated with them were Nazis in their past lives, with the way they lack morales and are treating disabled/vulnerable people with contempt.

    Comment by Matthew — January 12, 2012 @ 10:00 am

  313. you be ok kid chin up

    Comment by kazbo — January 13, 2012 @ 12:05 am

  314. my brother is awaiting an apppointment they recieved his form on 6th december who should i ring to complain about the wait my brother suffers with paranoia and heres voices from the television,and believes he is watched by the fbi and inspector morse i need this to come to an end as i cant cope anylonger

    Comment by kazbo — January 13, 2012 @ 12:20 am

  315. Hello Kazbo.

    As far as I’m concerned trying to ring up and complain to ATOS is fruitless and the DWP ditto, I would suggest a short straight to the point letter or e-mail to your/his local Member of parliament (MP) and mention the fact that your brother has been contacted by ATOS and since he has a serious illness that isn’t helped by ATOS/DWP messing him around and dragging their heals, could he/she contact ATOS on his/your behalf and help bring your suffering to an end.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 13, 2012 @ 7:00 am

  316. hi again,thank you for your advice would you know how long the process should take is there a time limit that atos has and will this affect my brothers dla middle rate of care component and lower rate for mobility thankyou

    Comment by kazbo — January 13, 2012 @ 8:15 am

  317. Not sure I understand, what process do you mean ? do you mean the wait for the appointment for the assessment, or the wait after the assessment to find out if one is found fit or unfit for work.
    If you mean the wait for the appointment then that is usually a couple of weeks but sometimes longer, if you mean the wait to find out if one is fit or unfit then that can be the same, a couple of weeks, but sometimes longer, in my case I’ve had two weeks and also I’ve another time it was six weeks.
    When it comes to the DWP/ATOS it seems there is no rhyme or reason..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 13, 2012 @ 9:30 am

  318. thank you for your advice you never said if this process affects my brothers dla he gets the middle rate care lower rate mobility also regards a future atos medical my bro needs to supervised while out for the safety of himself and others as he believes he is being followed and watched as he believes there is a conspiracy against him will they visit him at home as he is always confronting people on the outside.he takes 3 different types of drugs for his paranoia and is an out patient at the hospital thank you so much i also could do with help can atos arrange respite for me as his carer

    Comment by kazbo — January 13, 2012 @ 9:47 am

  319. Hello Kazbo.

    Anyone who goes to an ATOS assesment centre and who has mental health issues or any kind of health issues will as far as I can see from the information I am receiving will automatically be found fit for work by reason of the fact that they managed to turn up at the assessment and that affects DLA as well, their twisted logic runs like this, can turn up here then fit to work.
    So you must ask/request a domicallary visit from ATOS, you can state the obvious reasons, also walking around strange places with strange people around is not good for your brothers health either, ATOS will inform you that they cannot do a home visit and your brothers benefits will be affected if he does not attend their assessment centre, this is a form of blackmail and is normal for ATOS healthcare, do not fall for it, request a home visit again and make it clear to them the reason/s why.
    Also ATOS will arrange nothing for you, anything you do you have to do yourself, they are in the business of taking not giving, once you realise this then it just becomes a matter of acceptance then an appeal to get his benefits back, we will help you if you need help composing an appeal, so dont worry just get that home visit, that’s a good way to start.

    If you do appeal then contact us or your nearest welfare rights or CAB or all three and get help, don’t try and go it alone, there are new rules coming in on the sneak and one of them is ”If the decision maker is told on the phone by the client that they no longer wish to appeal then that’s it, your appeal doesn’t even get to the tribunal” this is important to know because it’s not generally known and of course you can see the problems it is going to lead too, unscrupulous decision makers (and how many have scruples ?) will phone up behind our backs and lie to the tribunal service that we/you called them and said you no longer wish to appeal.
    I’m working on a way to combat that, and of course will have to be done in writing along with the actual appeal itself, so you can see that if the worst comes to the worst and you have to appeal to the first tier tribunal then it would be a good idea to request the GL 24 appeal form and the ATOS report in writing, I think the days of talking to the DWP on the phone while arranging an appeal is over.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 13, 2012 @ 10:53 am

  320. thank you very much is the benefits affected include dla or is it just incapacity

    Comment by kazbo — January 13, 2012 @ 12:12 pm

  321. That’s all benefits related to disability or illness, since JSA is not a sickness benefit then we are free according to the fixed ATOS assessment to sign on for work.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 13, 2012 @ 1:53 pm

  322. hi thank you again for your help i have called atos and dwp they have informed that my bro has missed his appointment they claim they called the contact numbers and sent appointment letter before xmas and he is to be penalised benefits they say they do not keep records of calls made i have been in contact with orange to see if the call was made and bt will this make a difference if i can prove these calls werent made if so shall i give the evidence to you how long will it take before benefits are stoppped they are claiming his dla will not be affected as this is given for set amount of time are they lying to me?

    Comment by kazbo — January 13, 2012 @ 2:26 pm

  323. Kazbo.

    I have to assume your brother didn’t receive any appointment letter ? you can contact them again and explain your brother has serious mental health issues and did not request an assessment at their office but is requesting a home visit, so could you respect my wishes and concede a visit by one of your HCPs to come to his home.
    If they do not grant you this concession then immediately appeal. Anyway since he hasn’t even been for an assessment yet it’s difficult to see how A non assessment can affect DLA.
    I have to tell you that these HCPs who work for ATOS do not like to visit the clients home, and one reason besides the obvious cost to them is because of a perceived threat rightly or wrongly of violence.
    Well that’s just to bad, that’s the job they picked, and tough luck for them, part of the contract etc etc etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 13, 2012 @ 3:51 pm

  324. thank you i have been told my brother will recieve no benefits if i appeal for him as he never attended the appointment but he still can appeal this is a nightmare i think it might be best to get him sectioned again

    Comment by kazbo — January 13, 2012 @ 4:07 pm

  325. Now you can see what bastards they are and why this Blog and the sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org was started, we have been battling these monsters for years and we will keep fighting them.
    If your brother is seriously ill they wouldn’t even let him sign on just to get money because they will say he is to ill to work.

    There is a charity called MIND and they help people with mental health issues, can you contact them ? they may be able to help in some way.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 13, 2012 @ 4:15 pm

  326. I am at a loss and don’t know where to go next.

    I have been waiting nearly two years for a tribunal hearing into my claim for mobility and disability living allowance. When I recently went to court the doctor, judge and DLA representative knew nothing about injections or operations that I had endured due to my problems. It was at this point that it was decided to postpone the hearing (trial) and have a doctor visit me for the DLA medical examination.

    On 21/12/2011 I was visited at home by a doctor. I was asked some questions and if I could perform some basic tasks, some of which I could not.

    On 07/01/2012 I received a copy of the medical examination. The first thing that stands out more than anything is how illegible large portions of the document are given that this is a professional document. Then reading through what could be made out had me sitting with my jaw wide open. Most of the questions that the doctor ticked ok to I was never consulted about. He used his own opinion on how far I could walk and what I could do and then his conclusions where nothing but total lies. He had chosen what information he wanted to put in the document and left most of the relevant items out.

    I have sent a letter to the doctor who performed the examination to ask why he put what he did in the report and asking him for a face to face meeting. I have also sent a strong letter of complaint about the doctor to Atos, recorded delivery. I know there have been other complaints regarding this doctors use of untruths in medical examinations.

    I have seen my own doctor today he was totally disgusted at what he read but he was unwilling to put this in writing for me (all pals together).

    What if anything can I do about this? With this damming report there is no point what so ever in turning up at the next tribunal hearing, I have already been judged and lost

    I would like to point out that I have served in the army, worked and paid taxes all my life up on till two years ago when my illness became too severe. I have had my heavy goods and public service vehicle licenses taken from me through my ill health and I am little more than a physical and mental wreck.

    Comment by Kevin Horne — January 13, 2012 @ 5:34 pm

  327. Hello Kevin.

    I hope you didn’t attend a tribunal on your own ? if so then it might not be too late to contact your local welfare rights office and ask for their help, the Citizens advice bureau is also available in most places.
    With a representative you can still win because the appeal panel don’t automatically consider or believe everything the ATOS Dr says, especially if the ATOS Drs lies are obvious.
    If the worst comes to the worst, then you can re-apply for DLA and any other benefits you have lost, you need to apply for something because Job seekers allowance is out of the question as far as you are concerned.
    It may also be time to change your GP because if he is not prepared to back you then there isn’t any point in being a patient in that surgery, you will just run in to the same problems in the future.
    Get help, try not to attend the tribunal alone…!! But if you are forced due to time pressure to go there alone then without slagging of the ATOS Dr try and refute his report by using logic etc like contradictions either in the report or what they can see with their own eyes.
    Let us know how you get on…

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 13, 2012 @ 6:15 pm

  328. Hi and thanks for your suggestions. I have had help from my local councils welfare rights since day one, the Citizens advice have not been taking on new clients for two years now as they are overwhelmed and as you know underfunded.

    With regard to my doctor well quite frankly he is the best doctor I have ever had, the points he makes are valid and as my welfare rights representative suggested to me, doctors are unwilling to go against each other, this after me pointing out to my doctor that the doctors from Atos are making a mockery of the profession and undermining him.

    The point about the tribunal. I have not finished mine yet I still have to go back now that this damming examination report, two years overdue is completed. That said my welfare rights representative pointed out to me after I said the doctor at the tribunal was horrible, that she is also known as having a bad reputation. Do you get the exact same panel as before if your hearing was adjourned?

    Comment by Kev — January 14, 2012 @ 10:18 am

  329. Hello Kev.

    That’s a very good question Kev regarding tribunal panels, it’s been my experience after a couple of postponements for a medical report that every time I went back it was a different tribunal panel. That’s good news Kev because you will not get that dreadful woman again, and even if a million to one chance you did, then before you go in you could ask for a different panel.
    I can tell you that I have been up against six different panels, 2 of them were adjournments, and never seen any of them again.

    I had a dreadful woman at one of mine, her name was Mcneil and had already made her mind up before I went in that I was going to lose, please don’t tell me her name was Mcneil or Mcneill ?, can’t remember which, because if I never see her again it would be too soon.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 14, 2012 @ 10:57 am

  330. what happens if you have assesment within the 3 month period od questionair

    Comment by kazbo — January 19, 2012 @ 12:18 am

  331. sorry i meant if they fail to give assesment in the 3 month period

    Comment by kazbo — January 19, 2012 @ 12:19 am

  332. Hello Kazbo.

    After you fill in an ESA 50 they can call you in any time for an assessment, but after 3 months since it’s possible a persons condition can change for better or worse then a new ESA 50 would be logical but there is no rhyme nor reason to these people and no logic either.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 19, 2012 @ 5:44 am

  333. hi again dwp and the doctors have agreed they made an error and have accepted my brother has not been made an appointment this is now approacing the 3 month period since we filled in the form,which it asked was we free for an appointment in the said 3 months my brother has became worse in that time and his medication has been upped would i be able to ask for the process to start again as his needs have changed they are claiming that the backlog in the north west is now out of control at the dwp but that is not my brothers fault surely it cant be right to assess my brother after the 3 months period as his illness has already been accepted by the dla medical team to be progessive im becoming ill with this myself have been to welfare rights and cab and all they can say the system is at breaking point and cant continue as it is but the government dont care or seem to want to listen there is no facilities for mentally ill people as the day centre and mental health team have been closed down to save money i just am fed up any advice welcome

    Comment by kazbo — January 19, 2012 @ 10:11 am

  334. Hello kazbo.

    That’s good that they have agreed they have made the error, it’s not unknown for them to deny all knowledge and try and pin the blame elsewhere.
    As I said kazbo they can call him in any time, but you do have a point regarding your brothers worsening condition and you can try and use it but don’t bank on it.
    The welfare rights and CAB are correct the system all over Britain is approaching meltdown with no sign of abatement, paradoxically this may work in your brothers favour, seeing that they are so tied up dealing with all the new claimants and having to deal with their own faulty decisions.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 19, 2012 @ 11:18 am

  335. I got a call from Coatbridge Benefit Centre in Glasgow today, which was in response to a call I made to their ‘call centre’ earlier on in connection with my appeal for the reinstatement of my IB. And what this caller told me, in this dispassionate, sinister, calculating, tough Glaswegian accent, which was also intended to convey an element of ill-disguised contempt, so completely took my breath away that I was stunned for hours afterwards. The phone call was such a devastating epiphany for me, that I was suddenly afforded this stomach-churning insight into what Mary Stuart must have felt when she was delivered her death warrant; or some poor innocent man when sentenced to the gallows for a crime he didn’t commit. You see, I had just had it confirmed to me, by this awful specimen of a subhuman, this wicked piece of neo-nazi vermin, that I had been identified as a candidate for elimination by the social-cleansing wing of Fuhrer Cameron’s Ministry for Eugenic Operations and Advancement; and there was nothing to be gained from further resistance, as they had all avenues of escape well and truly sealed off; and I must appreciate that Oberfuhrer Duncan-Smith had been formulating his programme for the annihilation of social undesirables over a period of many years in opposition, and that this set of measures has been so meticulously detailed and comprehensively considered that only the most pathetically handicapped or incapacitated of the undesirables could escape its clutches ( and even they, the weakest of the weak, will in due course be eliminated once the party has firmly established a culture of total intolerance and indifference to all those deemed worthless and a burden on the taxpayer and state resources). In short, the bitch blatantly lied to me. And the lie was delivered with such cynical calculation and faultless self-possession, in that ugly coarse accent of hers, that I would not have had any difficulty in believing that she was the secret hatechild of those two evil psychopaths, Hindley and Brady; or doubted for a nanosecond that she had in her wicked psychology the capacity to carry out the most inhumane attrocities within the context of one of Fuhrer Cameron’s future concentration camps. In order to contextualise the shameless deceit of this creature, I need to provide the background details that led to its culmination.

    15th Dec 2011: Received letter from above Coatbridge office advising me I am no longer entitled to ESA. It also explains that if I wish to challenge the decision, I must do so within one month of the date on this letter otherwise “we may not be able to help you”; and a form, GL24, is provided for me to make this appeal.

    19th Dec 2011: I post my completed GL24 form in a stamp-addressed envelope provided.

    9th Jan 2012: Concerned I still have not received acknowledgement of my appeal form, notwithstanding the inactive holiday period which is included of course in my 4-week deadline. I phone the contact number at the
    top of their letter (0845 608 8645) and after several vain attempts to get through, amounting to over an hour, I eventually manage to speak to someone. She is vague and tells me someone will phone me from above office before 4.45pm. Nobody does.

    10h Jan 2012: Phone contact number again and eventually, after more problems, speak to somebody. She tells me that my GL24 form was received on 23rd Dec 2011, but there should have been a doctor’s certificate to accompany it. I explain that nowhere in their letter am I instructed to send such a certificate. She concedes that the request is not made clear, but says nevertheless I need to get one from my doctor ASAP. She assures me that she will get someone from above office to phone me before 4.45pm to explain the situation. I immediately phone my doctor’s surgery to make urgent appointment for the next day, and am given one with a young locum at 11.40am (my own doctor is off sick). I spend the rest of the day waiting for this DWP office to phone. When nobody does before 4pm I decide to phone this contact number again. I speak to another woman who once again tries to reassure me that they got my appeal on 23rd Dec and everything will be fine when I get my doctor’s certificate.

    11th Jan 1012: Receive phone call from a very nice woman with a sympathetic voice. She apologises for the fact that it was not plain I should send a doctor’s certificate and reassures me that she has my appeal which they got 23rd Dec. When I get my certificate that morning I should send it straight away to above office, which I duly did around 1pm.

    19th Jan 2012 Concerned I still haven’t received written confirmation that my appeal and Dr’s Cert have been received at DWP office and that my assessment rate was being processed. I phone contact number and told that they have both items and that somebody from the DWP office would phone me before 4.45pm that day. And it was around 3am, whilst listening to Richard Bacon on 5Live interviewing some chef, that I got the devastating call.

    “Yes, Mr X, I’m calling from….. Just to say we do NOT have your appeal form. There is no evidence we ever received it, and I’ve made all appropriate enquiries…. Well, the people on our contact line should not have told you they had your form since they are not privy to that information…. Somebody from this office phoned and told you we had your form? Well, unless you can provide me with that person’s name, I’m afraid there’s nothing I can do… No, there’s nothing for it, Mr X, but to get another form from your local dole office, fill it in, and return it to said office who can in turn fax it to us. Saving that, you can just phone us in two days (Fri) and see what happens…”

    But of course my deadline to appeal elapsed 6 days ago. I now have to go find myself another GL24 form, in
    the vain hope that they won’t reject it as my appeal period has now expired. It looks as if I’ve been caught in the trap, and the only way out is the one that was marked out for me from the beginning of the process to eliminate me from any benefit support.

    to get a hold of another GL24

    Comment by vivelafrance — January 20, 2012 @ 6:48 am

  336. Hello vivlafrance.

    At the moment you are at the lowest or one of the lowest points in your life, I know because I have been where you are and I know how you feel, the frustration in dealing with these people is enough to drive one round the twist, no wonder Broadmoor and Carstairs just up the road from you is packed to the gunwales.
    So let’s start from the beginning and see how you can get your way out of this mess they have caused, it seems to me that another appeal submission and sick note is the only way to go, they will not do it for you, you must try your best to stop feeling angry (easier said than done I know) and send a letter along with the note and appeal submission saying that unfortunately somewhere along the line the appeal has been lost possibly at the post office (Glasgow posting office at Baird street is one of the most useless POs in Scotland) do it this way, try and be patient and I think you will find a positive result.
    Remember the person with the tough Glaswegian accent doesn’t know you ? we are just numbers to them, they have dozens of these calls to make every day, you and I are just another day at the office, so try not to take it personally because unlike Chris Grayling and Iain Duncan Spliff, we are truly in it together.
    In time you will look back, perhaps even at this post and realise you were only getting yourself upset through no fault of your own, so for your own mental well being try and be cool and remember it’s a waiting game.
    Please let us know how you get on..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 20, 2012 @ 12:16 pm

  337. noticed some mention of Cameron`s Brown shirt “Chris Grayling”

    I got a letter off both, how can they have the nerve to hold the titles they do when they reply with crap like this and i Quote:-
    We have NO SAY and CAN NOT comment on the Decisions made by the D.W.P.
    Hang on isn’t Grayling supposed to be “The Mister for Works and Pensions” ?????

    Seens to be a case of “Oh i like that title cant be assed doing the job”

    Comment by Brian j — January 20, 2012 @ 2:41 pm

  338. Hello Brian.

    When the decision maker makes a decision they are acting on behalf of the secretary of state, this means the buck stops with him, they mess up then he carries the can, but that doesn’t seem to be the way it works does it ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 20, 2012 @ 3:06 pm

  339. not as tall as i told then im my reply, they also said that my quotes from the the DWP DLA handbook didnt count as the book had been changed, to which my reply was “WHAT I QUOTED AS CORRECT AT THE TIME THIS FARCE WAS STARTED AND SO IS THE VERSION WE WILL BE STICKING TO. YOU CANT CHANGE THE RULES HALFWAY THROUGH THE GAME TO SUIT YOUR NEEDS.
    Needless to say the relented , so I won the little battle.


    I did say in my first letter to Atos, and the Government if they think Mr Peter Tatchelle was a pain their really going to hate me ..

    P.S. My appeal to the upper tribunal is being heard on the 28th Feb

    Comment by Brian j — January 20, 2012 @ 7:53 pm

  340. Thanks so much for your kind words. Once I went over my comment, I did feel it was a bit over the top and felt some level of embarrassment. Yet, as you rightly pointed out, they have to be read in the context of where I was emotionally. As for an update….

    Went to the jobcentre this morning and got another GL24 form. I explained to the lady who gave it to me at reception that this was my second form as the first had gone missing. She took the form from me and wrote on it “Duplicate”, and then for good measure, as if annoyed at the thought they might reject it because my time limit to appeal had expired, added “Original posted 19/12/11 — no trace at BDC”. She told me to make sure I attach a note to the appeal form explaining this is a duplicate and give reasons for it. She and the lady next to her then smiled and I was told to “stand firm”.

    Well, I’m going to spend the weekend carefully filling it in. Just hope I make a good show of it.

    Before I go, there are a few things I omitted to tell you yesterday — mainly because the comments box started playing up, which is why there is a stray part of a sentence at the end of the comment, and why some paragraphs are incongruously broken up. When I was talking to the Glaswegian, I got the distinct impression she had read my appeal; which by implication of course means she deliberately ‘lost’ it. Why? Well, there’s my natural intuition of course, which has proven so accurate throughout my life that it would be impossible just to ignore. Then, there was that particular tone in her voice. ‘Contemptuous’ wasn’t really the right word to describe it. It was more like a forced patronising tone, done as if in reciprocation to being patronised or slighted in some way herself. It occurred to me that in my appeal I had made a negative comment about a particular type of west-coast Scot whom I found a bit intimidating and scary, and who was in part responsible for aspects of my mental condition. Is it possible that she took this comment as a reference to people like her? I was also aware that my appeal contained what she might have considered a threat; though it was far from an idle one. Is it possible, in her judgemental, blinkered and self-righteous mind, she just interpreted that as a shameless attempt to hold the taxpayer up to ransom? A moral blackmail she was determined to circumvent by means of her own guile and the guidelines which are in place to deal with any potential problem or difficulty? Was I being forced to rewrite my appeal in the hope that the second would be markedly different from the first, in that they might even contradict each other, or the second toned down or less effective, better still containing no threat? Remember, when they receive my second appeal, if it is in their interests to do so, they could just make the first appeal reappear from its perceived hiding place.

    Am I being a bit paranoid? I suppose only time will tell. And I’ll certainly tell you whenever anything significant develops. Thanks again.

    Comment by vivelafrance — January 21, 2012 @ 5:00 am

  341. Morning vivlafrance.

    Great to see your feeling at least a little better, it’s all right to be angry I’m angry too and I can guarantee you so are thousands upon thousands of others, but not angry at any particular individual (except that nurse who told lies at my first assessment LOL) , just angry at this whole stinking system and the Iain Duncan Smith/s of the world, these hypocrites that have never known what it feels like to be hungry, never known what it feels like to be homeless, never known what it feels like to be totally broke, but they have the cheek…the audacity to tell people who are ill or unemployed through no fault of their own they are going to make work pay by depriving them of their very means of existence.

    That’s why he went to north east Glasgow, and he went to spy and gloat not with any intention of helping people, I know this because I can guarantee you that Easterhouse will still look exactly the same as the day he left it, in other words he did nothing for them even though they have a group of volunteers up there who are trying their best to stop crime and youth gangs and help eradicate poverty and do it for no pay and at great risk to themselves, but that was his intention all along, just another publicity stunt like Frankie Vaughans 1960s publicity gimmick.

    Anyway you have to appeal again and it’s ironic but you make a good point your original appeal will probably turn up some time in the future probably found at the bottom of some muppets desk LOL.
    When your appeal and sicknote are finally in then it’s just a waiting game living on the assessment rate until you attend the tribunal which I’m sure you will win, the tribunals are all catching on they know that ATOS are lying because they are seeing the most ridiculous ESA 85 reports like folk with brain tumours and lung cancer are fit for work and they must be thinking that’s absurd that’s absolutely ridiculous, no wonder then that around 70% are winning their appeals with a representative from the CAB or Welfare rights to help them.

    You can get all the help you need from people who have already been were you are and are trying to help you beat these charlatans at their own game and inform us all what this Government has in store for us in the future, but not by lying and cheating like ATOS and the decision makers and Iain Duncan Smith and that crowd, but by telling the truth and making us all aware of our rights and that’s here at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Good luck and let us know how you get on and as I said stay cool.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 21, 2012 @ 8:56 am

  342. (PS)

    I forgot to mention, remember that your appeal is going to people who are not connected to the DWP and if they see threats it might not look too good on the day you have to appear before them, think carefully before you write the appeal, since the first appeal could turn up at any time and be maliciously sent on to discredit you then a possible solution is to demonstrate in your re-write that you were emotionally upset at the time of the DWPs decision but realise now that you had taken things out of context and glad you had some time to calm down. You will obviously have your own way of explaining it.
    Showing you can be humble will help you win an appeal, any kind of arrogance can help you lose it, and your intention is to win at all costs, I don’t know what you wrote on there, but tone down any threats or try and get rid of them, if not them use euphemism to get out of it, and then go and win that appeal by demonstrating that your ability to work is limited because you cannot do such and such a thing, for instance I explained at my tribunal that I had difficulty walking 200 metres, they gave me points for 100 metres and I explained I had problems bending and standing, I didn’t get points for the bending but points for the standing (but explaining about the bending definitely helped) and points for other things as well, so you see it’s the descriptors that count and whether they affect your ability to work and not anything else. Issuing people with threats never works and can even backfire badly take it from me.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 21, 2012 @ 9:20 am

  343. Hi, is it normal to recieve a second confirmation letter of my appeal? Strange because today I recieved a letter saying they will look at my case again, and if they can reverse the decision in my favour(As in reinstate my money and entitlement) then they will do so, if they cant they will pass my case to the tribunal service along with a list of reasons of refusal etc

    It seems so odd, anyway as I recently had a letter within the past few weeks saying this very same thing but also mentioning my assessment rate monies that will be paid from x date(Currently on this no issues there).

    Seems the DWP like repeating themselves lol. Only been like 30 days since they recieved my appeal, what a slow system

    Comment by Matthew — January 23, 2012 @ 10:08 pm

  344. Hello Mathew.

    Well once you get to understand that the DWP follow no logic or any kind of rhyme or reason then you will realise there is nothing odd about it, and is just the way they work, duplication even triplicating is the order of the day at Job centre plus part of the Department of work and pensions.
    I once received three letters on the same day telling me the same thing that we have deposited such and such an amount in to your bank account, and for safety reasons etc etc. No wonder the benefits bill is so high, they are massively contributing to it by triplicating their work.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 23, 2012 @ 11:16 pm

  345. hi, my brother is still awaiting a appointment and 3 months has elapsed,but today he recieved a form a review form for income support to referred to the gms team the form is a gms/is1c001/bic3 have you heard of this form i have no idea what the dwp are doing they are supposed to be migrating my brother to esa from income support

    Comment by kazbo — January 25, 2012 @ 5:46 pm

  346. Hello Kazbo.

    They will call him in their own good time, there is no way to speed up the process. This form you are referring too, could you quote it exactly because I have never heard of it..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 25, 2012 @ 8:06 pm

  347. Thanks for explaining.

    By the way, Wednesdays Sun newspaper had some anti disability propaganda in it, with yet more drivel about how apparently 80 percent of claimants can work, nothing about the hundreds of thosands of appeals, nothing about how the test is unfit for purpose, nothing about the work people are doing to help disabled claimants(See Sue Marsh), just spin about how we’re all trying it on.

    Comment by Matthew — January 25, 2012 @ 11:40 pm

  348. Susan pick another username and log in to the forum instead, http://www.dwpexamination.org I will delete these posts and you can start again.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 26, 2012 @ 8:57 am

  349. Hello Mathew.

    Well they are desperate what do you expect, their Tory masters are losing left right and centre in the Lords, desperate times desperate measures, they know they are wrong but still they insist in printing garbage, don’t blame them blame their idiotic readers for buying their paper in the first place.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 26, 2012 @ 9:04 am

  350. hi again,i called the dwp yesterday relating to brothers assesment and his medical,they told me that from the 24 febuary he will be going on esa he has had no medical how can this be fair how will this affect the money he recieves as he currently reciceves incapacity dla and income support my friend says he will on get £67 per week is that correct.

    Comment by kazbo — February 3, 2012 @ 7:01 am

  351. oh i forgot to say they say he will recieve a lettet sometime in the future to explain

    Comment by kazbo — February 3, 2012 @ 7:02 am

  352. Hello Kazbo.

    He is going on ESA ? which one because there is two, there is the Support group and the Work related activity group (WRAG) there is also Contributory ESA and Income related ESA.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 3, 2012 @ 2:15 pm

  353. why has he no examination???????

    Comment by kazbo — February 3, 2012 @ 10:04 pm

  354. Hello Kazbo.

    The reason he hasn’t had an examination is PROBABLY because after reading his ESA 50 they have decided that he is genuinely unfit for work, and because they are trying to cut down the number of successful appeals they have made the decision to chance their arm and put him on the WRAG (Work related activity group) rather than fail him (fit for work) then he appeals and wins with the appeal panel putting him in to the support group rather than the WRAG, once the appeal panel puts him in the support group the DWP and ATOS have little control over him other than sending him for an test which they are going to do anyway some time in the future whether he is on the support group or WRAG.
    You haven’t gave me enough information to answer your questions Kazbo even though I have asked, so I will ask again, do you know what group he has been put on to the support group or WRAG I have just presumed it’s the wrag, also is he eligible for contributory ESA ? or is he on the Income related ESA ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 3, 2012 @ 11:07 pm

  355. i dont know they told me to wait for a letter i am completely in the dark they said i have to wait for letter when i recievwe it i will let you know why do they insist on being so clandestine

    Comment by kazbo — February 4, 2012 @ 1:12 am

  356. Hello Kazbo.

    Because time means something to you/us, it means absolutely nothing to them, they also know that keeping us in limbo is bad for our morale and saps our strength and will to fight.
    You can look on the bright side though, he doesn’t need to report for a sham medical only to receive zero points with his money, rent rebate et al stopped immediately, have patience wait for the letter see what it says and then take any action that you feel is necessary.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 4, 2012 @ 10:53 am

  357. hi i have recieved the letter he has been placed in wrag as u said he is enttled to both income related and contribution based esa what happens now he cant go to these appointments hes no well enough he has a social worker now from the mental health hospital coming to se him tomorrow maybe theycan help,if u could give any advice on what the future holds and what we can do next we have 1 month to ask for a review of the decsion ,a written statement of reasonsask to to look at decision again to see it if it can be changed,or appeal or all of he above is it true that after 12 months he will go on jobseekers im at a lss he gets dla as he is a potential risk to himself and others it so contrdictory

    Comment by kazbo — February 7, 2012 @ 7:56 am

  358. Hello Kazbo.

    He can’t be entitled to Income related ESA and Contributory ESA at the same time so do you mean Income support and Contributory ESA ?.
    Since he has been placed in the WRAG how bad do you think your brothers health issues are ? do you believe he should be in the support group ? If you really believe he should be in the support group then you have to appeal against that decision, I can tell you that the DWP are denying people who should really be in the support group by placing them in the WRAG and hope they do not appeal.

    You mentioned contributory ESA ? if your brother receives that then it might be better to appeal against the WRAG decision because his Contributory ESA will stop after a year beginning this April and is retrospectively backdated so if he has been on Contributory for a while say, he may find his year is up and he receives NOTHING. But it doesn’t affect anyone on the support group, they still recieve Contributory ESA.
    If I remember correctly your brother did not get a medical so it was the DWP who placed him in the WRAG and not an appeal panel, this means that ATOS have advised the DWP that he was not fit for work and didn’t need to see him but just looked at his medical records.
    So how badly does he want to go on the support group and remember you need to justify it to an appeal panel to win ?.

    So your choices are to ask for a written statement of reasons and appeal to be put in the support group and hope to win, or accept the WRAG and since he is on Contributory ESA it will stop after he has been on it for a year, retrospectively backdated.
    Do not ask for a reconsideration or a review because it is a waste of time, they do not reconsider anything, you will find you get a letter in a month or so saying we have reconsidered and we cannot change our decision, and you find another month has went by and you are no further on.

    Is there no welfare rights office around your way ? what help have you had ? are you doing this alone ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 7, 2012 @ 9:59 am

  359. hi again ,the letter he recieved states you are entitled to both contribution based,and income related employment and support allowance if he appeals will he lose money while the appeal is going on also after the 12 months is up what happens if has still not been assesed by a doctor it seems strange to say someone is fit for work if they have not been medically assesessed to confirm this.i will visit the local cab and c wat they say but if atos are saying my brothers unfit for work and after the 12 months he will have to be assessed by some one

    Comment by kazbo — February 7, 2012 @ 10:45 am

  360. Kazbo.

    I have to ask you again, which form of ESA is your brother on ?, is he on Contributory based ESA ? or is he on Income related ESA ? as I said he cannot be on both, he can only be on one or the other, please read the DWPs letter again.
    It’s important you get this right because which one it is will influence a decision whether to appeal or not to get your brother in to the support group.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 7, 2012 @ 11:26 am

  361. this is exactly as it reads you are entitled to both contribution based and income related employment support allowance this assesment is based on how much the law says you are entitled to live on and your national insurance contribution record you will get 151.65 pw

    Comment by kazbo — February 7, 2012 @ 1:43 pm

  362. hi again my brother was income support for severe dissability which has also been moved to esa does that help to explain im teally confused i will try to get into the cab asap

    Comment by kazbo — February 7, 2012 @ 1:48 pm

  363. Hello Kazbo.

    Since it’s impossible to get Contributory ESA and Income related ESA at the same time then the possibilities are Contributory ESA with income support or income related ESA with some sort of income support.
    The CAB will advise when you show them the details, take everything you have, every detail is important, what I can say is if your brother is receiving Contributory ESA and on the WRAG then an appeal to get in to the support group would be something to consider because Contributory ESA is going to end this April except for those on the support group, speak to the advisor at the CAB about that.
    On the other hand if he is on the Income related ESA then an appeal for the ESA support group is not so fruitful, and only worth pursuing if you are sure he will win, again the CAB can advise here.
    Seeing the DWP correspondence makes a world of difference when you come to make an important decision like you are faced with.

    And yes I agree it is confusing, I suppose it’s meant to be to try and put people off claiming benefits, they just want us all to go away and get a job………Well that’s not on if we are ill, it’s not the persons fault, it’s their idiotic system that’s at fault.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 7, 2012 @ 2:35 pm

  364. hi again ive been trying to get to the bottom of this and it appears in special circumstances you can recieve both contribution and work related and you can be put in wrag covered by the exceptional circumstances rule if they are a danger to themselves or other people if they were not placed in wrag i will let you know if this is the case apparently you can get both as a top up as you get less in the wrag i will let you know but this is what dwp is saying he is on both

    Comment by kazbo — February 7, 2012 @ 3:26 pm

  365. You are certainly confused Kazbo, I didn’t say receive both Contributory ESA and work related ESA, if you look you will see that I said Contributory ESA or Income related ESA, he cannot get both at the same time, both are different. And let’s see why they are different.

    If you have enough stamps and have 16’000 pounds in the bank, or you have a partner who earns £149 or more a week you cannot claim Income related ESA, but can claim Contributory ESA, if like me you are a muppet with no cash in the bank, do not have a partner who earns £149 or more, does not have at least £16,000 in the bank then will be eligible for what’s called Income related ESA.

    You cannot get both……………!!

    You are confused with the WRAG (Work related activity group) and Income related ESA.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 7, 2012 @ 7:31 pm

  366. hi it appears you are correct the dwp have made a mistake he is on income related esa what does this entail will he come off after 12 months to jobseekers if he appeals will he lose money ?

    Comment by kazbo — February 10, 2012 @ 3:31 pm

  367. Hello Kazbo.

    No probs we realise it’s confusing, it’s meant to be, it was designed that way deliberately.
    He’s on the WRAG and he is on Income related ESA ? now that we have got that clear I can tell you NO he will not lose ESA after a year, losing ESA after a year applies to Contributory ESA WRAG, so this means your brother has a choice, he can appeal to be in the support group or he can just leave it as it is and stay on the WRAG, and as I said in an earlier post it all depends on how badly your brother wants to get in the support group.
    The support group has extra money, but not much, normal would be £5 odds extra, your brother may or may not get more because he is special circumstances, I don’t know you would have to check to see if he will get more, and the support group do not have to attend Work focused interviews.
    On the other hand, the WRAG means the Fiver less and has to attend WFIs if asked, he is not forced or obliged to take a job though, the purpose of the WFIs is to prepare for work in the future, but again since your brother is a danger to himself and others in a possible work place which remember was conceded by the DWP themselves then one work focused 20 minute interview is usually enough to convince the Work focused advisor that preparing your brother for work is not going to be fruitful.
    With an appeal, there is usually a reduction in benefit because you are appealing, again check this out before you decide what to do, but if you win the appeal then anything they owe will be backdated, trying to get in to the support group is difficult indeed so I have to say again seek advice from a professional in the CAB or Welfare rights.
    So there you have it ? is it worth the hassle of an appeal to get in the Support group only you and your brother can decide.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 10, 2012 @ 4:09 pm

  368. hi again thank you for your help and advice i dont no if the system is as corrupt as you fear but you have spot on with all your advice and have a great help thank you from me and my brother and all the best to you in the future.x

    Comment by kazbo — February 10, 2012 @ 8:52 pm

  369. Hello Kazbo.

    Don’t forget, and I don’t mean to scare you but remember the DWP and ATOS will be back, it could be a couple of months (even though they said 18 months) or a year, or two years but believe me one day a Brown envelope will appear on your brothers doorstep with the ESA 50 to fill in, now that your knowledge and experience of ATOS is greatly increased you can fill in that ESA 50 with great care, reminding them of the Exceptional circumstances rule etc (remember you have a month) amd with luck he will not have to go through their dreadful assessment.


    Comment by dwpexamination — February 10, 2012 @ 9:51 pm

  370. Actually it’s a white envelope from ATOS, and one has just dropped on my doormat, even though I have just been granted ESA three weeks ago..!!

    AH well as Joe Walsh says on his excellent album Barnstorm : HERE WE GO.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 11, 2012 @ 12:55 pm

  371. @dwpexamination

    Speaking of Atos, I’ve been waiting many weeks for a ‘medical’ report from them, still nothing. Not holding my breath for an appeal date either, that said family have been good with helping me out financially in the mean time as £130 is a pitance to live on every 2 weeks. Thinking about it, by the time my appeal is heard, the back dated money owed to me will be mind boggling.

    As I’ve been disabled all my life, like most people here I’ve never had more than a thosand in the bank, except when I was first awarded incapacity benefit, as a kid when my mother applied for me, it took a while for everything to go through, needless to say I ended up with over 2 grand in the bank lol.. and at 16 that was kinda ridiculus.

    In the downtime, I’m just wondering what to speand my OWED money on, a bit of positivity in anticipation of winning ones appeal doesn’t hurt lol

    Comment by Matthew — February 13, 2012 @ 7:56 pm

  372. Hello Mathew.

    We always suggest an appeal for genuine claimants like yourself, and can be a gruesome wait, but the main thing is not the money they owe you but the satisfaction of proving them wrong, that was always my own personal motivation TO PROVE TO THEM THAT MY HEALTH PROBLEMS WERE GENUINE and they were nothing but lying cheating bastards, being able one day to give them a two fingered salute did wonders for my sleep that night.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 13, 2012 @ 9:04 pm

  373. @dwpexamination

    I know how you feel about the wait, already at like 2 months now and it feels like an eternity. Fortunatly my GP has been fantastic, my parents arrange my sick notes and get them sent in, my GP is very supportive.

    Thing is, my sicknote thing is up for renewal soon, they wanted it by the 17th as dated on the letter, I only recieved yesterday the 14th, my mother went down and arranged a sick note which will be done for thursday, it’s cutting it a little close, I’m just worried they’l mess me around again.

    That said, the letter was dated the 9th, and I’m like, why has it taken 5 days to get a letter to me from the DWP which has a deadline of the 17th? They did say they will give a few days leeway, so hopefully it’l arrive on time.

    To be honest I feel nervous about the upcoming appeal, even though they haven’t given me a date. Fortunatly I have a family that can give evidence on my case, and of course I will have to talk and answer questions too, we feel like we have a strong case. Whatever happens it to me is just a goal of getting what I deserve back and just trying to surive.

    By the way good luck on your ESA stuff Dwpexamination, I’m sure Atos will find some way to mess you around too.

    Comment by Matthew — February 15, 2012 @ 1:48 am

  374. Hello Mathew.

    When you receive the reminder, a good tip is to definitely use the return address and open windowed return envelope they provide, they don’t seem to get lost so much as the other ways of sending, well that has been my experience maybe other people have been different.
    Anyway a couple of days shouldn’t matter to the DWP who are as slow as a pot of mince anyway, so there is no excuse for a delay in your benefits.

    Cheers Mathew.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 15, 2012 @ 10:18 am

  375. They stopped my money, what a bunch of scumbags, I didnt get their letter until the 14th, the GP could only get a sicknote done by the 16th, deadline was today, was sent on the 16th by first class recorded. The whole thing just stinks, its like they deliberately insured the letter would arrive late so we couldnt get a new note in time.. FFS

    Comment by Matthew — February 17, 2012 @ 7:03 pm

  376. Hello Mathew.

    An excuse to delay your money is what it is, you will get it eventually though, but what a pain, and I’ve been through it a few times myself.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 18, 2012 @ 12:26 am

  377. Hello everyone, I have made comments on this site in the past and was myself very close to giving up but I have to stress more than ever now that everyone stick with it.

    I have now been waiting for my appeal for very close to two years and it is still on going. I was only given a medical in December and the report was a disgrace bordering on being a total lie.

    I complained to Atos for which I was convinced that I would be fobbed off. Instead My medical was passed to the another Doctor who has more or less dismissed the medical as a sham and agreed that I have legitimate grounds for my complaint. I am now pretty sure that I will have to endure another medical which I hope will be a true and fair examination of my problems and not another greed induced sham.

    The more people who complain to Atos the bigger the chance of the shameful activities being exposed and a fairer system being introduced. Genuine people with health problems should not be discriminated against because there is a generation of families abusing the system. It is the abusers who should be hounded and not honest, past hardworking taxpayers.

    Comment by Kev — February 18, 2012 @ 10:45 am

  378. Hi Kev.

    That’s what we have been saying for years, don’t give up, ATOS are now very sensitive to criticism and are now recanting, our Blog and forum amongst others on the net along with that recent Spartacus report in particular has put the wind up them, they are now trying to limit the damage, I think it’s too late, they should have limited the damage three years ago.

    ATOS must go and as soon as possible, NOW WOULD BE A GOOD TIME..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 18, 2012 @ 12:12 pm

  379. @dwpexamination

    Will I get the money back when they recieve the sicknote or does someone need to ring? Sorry all this stuff is very new to me. We’ve never been in this situation before, so my mother will be ringing on monday as she’s my apointee(Or however its spealt).

    Thanks for the advice given

    Comment by Matthew — February 18, 2012 @ 10:41 pm

  380. Hello Mathew.

    When the DWP are in receipt of your sick note and the decision maker has finished his coffee he may or may not decide to get round to getting his finger out his ass and forwarding your money in to your account, we are at the whim of power mad megalomaniacs here..!!

    Sooner or later you will receive the money and backdated, let’s hope it’s sooner Mathew, by the way if you phone the DWP you have to understand that the person you talk to will be a minimum wage bozo and couldn’t give a rats ass if you got your money or not, do not under any circumstances expect them to pass on any messages on your behalf, sometimes they do and sometimes they don’t..!! Again it depends on what side of the bed he rolled out of that morning.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 18, 2012 @ 11:26 pm

  381. Hi, my husband went for his Atos medical on 14th February. He suffers with siezures, blackouts, memory loss etc. I went with him and sat there the entire time whilst telling the woman (who seemed like a doctor because she was acting like my husbands doctor) about his daily activities, which is very limited.
    I’m fully expecting the letter to come back saying that he’s been passed as fit.
    We’ve already made the decision to appeal even before the letter arrives. I’m trying to get everything in place so we can tackle it head on when the time comes. When we send the appeal form in, do we have to call DWP and tell them we are appealing and carry on sending in sicknotes? Our doctor signs my husband off in 3 month bursts and he’s already told my husband that he’ll never get better. He sufferes from a very rare illness that only affects 2 percent of the population.
    So on the day the letter arrives, should we call DWP tell them about appealing and go from there? I’m not bothered about the money, we’re used to surviving on very little money, it’s more the priniple of it.
    What got me, we arrived for his appointment at 11am, sat in the waiting room while several people came and went before they called my husband in at 12.15. The woman was very sympathetic and didn’t want to cause my husband any discomfort and was very understanding, but I’m not going to be fooled into thinking for one minute that they will rule in his favour. The funny thing is though, when we first went in, she had his form open on the tabe, no doctors letter, even though he wrote one, and she said she was just going to be doing his assessment, not to decided what level of benefit he was going to get. We were in there for around an hour and half.
    Any advice would be welcomed because I’m just dreading that letter coming through the door. Is there a time limit on how long it usually takes from the medical to the letter arriving? Thanks in advance

    Comment by Amanda — February 19, 2012 @ 9:30 pm

  382. Hello Amanda.

    First of all it’s good to see that you are under no illusions regarding ATOS healthcare, and you fear the worst to avoid that dreadful feeling of disappointment, nothing wrong with that and is normal, just don’t worry about something that may never happen or more importantly is outside your control.
    So let’s say that the worst does/has happened and you receive the brown envelope, you open it and what you read is a complete absence of delight.

    Then we work in stages to keep it simple.

    The first stage is to call the DWP and tell them you (husband) are appealing and ask for the GL24 appeal form and at the same time ask for the HCPs assessment report the ESA 85. Also inform them that since you are appealing you would like to be paid at the assessment rate while you are waiting for the appeal to be heard, you need the ESA 85 to see what you are appealing against.

    Next stage is to compose the appeal after scrutinising the ESA 85, you will notice that on the GL24 appeal form there is only a little box to write your appeal, this is a DWP ploy to try and convince you to limit the information you give them, you do not have to comply because you can use that box as your basic introduction saying I wish to appeal against your decision to find me fit for work, I believe my capability for work is severely limited because of etc etc etc and add on at the bottom the reminder ”I ALSO WISH TO BE PAID THE ASSESSMENT RATE WHILST WAITING FOR THE APPEAL TO BE HEARD’, and follow on with as many A4 papers as you like, 2, 3, 4 A4 papers, as many as it takes, just make sure the National insurance number is on each page and they are all numbered and in order, you will also see a box to tick asking if you have representation for the coming appeal, if you have a local welfare rights office or CAB and they can represent you then tick that box and all correspondence will be sent to them, since you have a month to complete the appeal form that will give you time to check if you can get representation.

    Next stage you wait..!! while you are waiting it would be a good idea to get any DRs reports to show the tribunal, it can be a long wait and you have to send them sick notes (3 month notes are acceptable) but other than that you just wait for the letter from the tribunal service informing you of the appeal date. The assessment rate (which is the same deal as JSA) will be backdated in to your account, could take a month or two though.

    If it happens and you do need to appeal then contact us in the future and we can help with the type of questions they ask at appeals, the does and dont’s etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 19, 2012 @ 10:56 pm

  383. Thank you. That is really helpful. I’ve noted everything down and I’ll let you know what happens.

    Comment by Amanda — February 19, 2012 @ 11:43 pm

  384. Hi everyone

    I have read all the posts on here with great interest and I thought I was in a bit of a pickle when I applied and was awarded the higher rate of DLA for mobility and care. I am in heart failure and have a pacemaker installed in me, also type 2 Diabetes, Hypothyroidism and Retinopathy in the right eye, as well as Sleep Apnea, Osteoarthritis in my left knee, Clinical Depression and the onset of Kidney Failure. This leaves me totally exhausted and Im virtually housebound and cannot due any kind of physical exertion whatsoever and my legs swell up occassionally substantially, like Elephants legs (that is no exaggeration) and due to this and the amount of medication I need to be on to exist. I have been warned not to get stressed about anything as this could bring on another major heart attack (Ive already had 2 major heart attacks and there is a family history of heart disease on both my father and mother’s side of the family). My husband and son are and have been a fantastic source of support. The problem is my husband who following an Industrial Accident at Work in 2000 fractured the bones in 3 places in his lower left leg and in 2 places in his left ankle. He had to have a metal plate inserted into his left leg with metal screws, that hold together his lower leg bone and his ankle. Those will be there for the rest of his life. He applied for and was given Incapacity Benefit. He was then unable to work as a Metal Polisher, because of his disability and he was made redundant. About 4 years ago, he had another accident during January and slipped on some black ice. This time he did virtually the same thing to his right leg as he had done to his left leg. Again, he had to have a metal plate and metal screws inserted this time into his right leg. About 2 years ago he was once again admitted into hospital with Cirossis of the liver. He is on medication for his Cirossis, and for pain, as Osteoarthritis is now setting into his left leg. So now my husband was getting Incapacity Benefit and Industrial Injuries Benefit and I was getting Disability Living Allowance. However, in November 2011, he received an ESA50 Questionnaire, to be completed and to be received by the address given at the top of the Questionnaire, which was and ATOS Medical Centre, by 21st December 2011. I filled in the form for my husband and told them in the Questionnaire. It took me to the 15 December 2011 to complete and even I found it difficult, even though I have a Degree !! But not just because of that, Iam constantly exhausted and I can drop asleep at the drop of a hat. So completing the form took up just about every waking minute during that period. My son photocopied the ESA50, sent the original by Royal Mail Recorded Delivery on Friday 16 December 2011 and got the official Royal Mail receipt with the tracking number on it. So I thought nothing else about it, as we knew that it had to be signed for and th at it had to be delivered by the next working day, which was Monday 20 December 2011. On Friday 17 December 2011, he received a letter (dated 12 December 2011) reminding him to send in the ESA50 by the 21 December 2011. We ignored that letter as we knew that his ESA50 had been sent in the day before. So, at the beginning of this month February 2012, my husband received a letter from the DWP saying that they hadn’t received his ESA50 on time. So I went onto the Royal Mail website and found out that it had been delivered on Monday 20 December 2011. Immediately phoned the number on the offending letter and was transferred to the Jobcentre Plus at Bradford (who seems to be dealing with all the transitionary benefits going onto ESA), who told me over the phone, that as from today 22 February 2012, he would no longer be receiving Incapacity Benefit, as the Decision Maker had decided to stop it for 6 weeks (in other words he had been given a 6 week sanction by the DWP for ATOS’s administrative incompetence), because they had not received it on time, without good reason, I asked him what my husband and I would do financially, if this decision was not reversed by the time the next payment was due and his reply was “I don’t know” . I informed them that this was a mistake by the Decision Maker as I could provide documentary proof, that it had been received by ATOS (which was the Medical Centre they told my husband to return the ESA50). He then asked me to compose a letter, giving the reasons and stating the conversation that I had with him, and providing the evidence, and ask for the decision to be reconsidered by the Decision Maker. This I did the day after, and enclosing a photocopy of the Royal Mail receipt with the tracking number on it. Yesterday 21 February, I called back and was put through to Jobcentre Plus at Bradford, who then put me through to the Decision Makers Office. I went through the whole occurence yet again and was told, that they weren’t the Decision Makers, but there was a good chance that the decision would be reversed, but it would take another 2 weeks. Now my husband gets his Incapacity Benefit every 2 weeks. So both my husband and myself are in a dilemma. Do wait the 2 weeks and wait, or contact them next week and see if a decision has been made? and could you please suggest what I should do if the decision is not reversed? This stress and strain is having a serious detrimental effect on my health and that of my husband. But I have to carry on. Please keep up the excellent work, disabled people need a voice. I then saw a film ‘Damaged Care’ – about Dr Linda Peeno, whose work was very similar to that of an ATOS “HCP”, and I also saw a documentary by Michael Moore called ‘Sicko’. Please take a look at these, it will open your eyes to just what ATOS’s motivation is.

    Comment by amberprise — February 22, 2012 @ 7:58 am

  385. Hello Amberprise.

    First of all I have to be honest with you and explain why the DWP would even attempt to come away with crap like that, there’s a couple of reasons the first reason is the wish to terrorise it’s as if they get a kick out of it, see the 1971 Stanford experiment ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbax9v9N_bU for an example of what I mean.

    These people virtually have the power of life and death over us (No money = Death) and like the Gestapo the excercise it because they can, there is no transparency or accountability and as long as people say nothing they will carry on acting like sadists.

    You have demonstrated clear proof that you sent the ESA 50 in more than enough time, but still they refuse to concede, I suspect that common sense will prevail in time (After they have tortured you and your husband for a little while of course) and like a cat playing with a mouse will tire of their little game and eventually concede, they are sending you/us a message which is ”When we say send it by a certain date we mean immediately” we don’t actually have a big stick to beat with, but we have other ways of dealing with the likes of you.

    And since they can do as they like with no comebacks (Or so they have persuaded themselves to think) then you have to consider the unlikely but possible scenario that they do not concede see sense and give you your legal right to benefit/s.

    If this happens then you have a resource, which is, contact your local member of parliament and ask if it is normal for the DWP to withhold or sanction your husbands benefits for not sending a form in on time, when you have shown them clear proof via the Post office tracking system that you have sent it in on time.
    Obviously you will have your own way of explaining it, but get it across to your MP politely that you have shown the proof and don’t feel your husband needs this extra stress etc etc.

    The DWP are obliged by law to answer any correspondence from an MP in a certain time, usually the MP gets an e-mail or a phone call saying there was a mistake and it will be rectified immediately.
    That and an appeal against their decision to sanction is all there is, both will succeed since you have the evidence but the quickest is the MP route.

    A lawyers letter would help but that costs money, the DWP know this and they are rarely threatened by lawyers because we do not have the money for lawyers letters and legal aid will not be granted either, JUSTICE IT SEEMS IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO THE RICH
    And it’s going to get worse because this Government (The worst in living memory) are going to choke of all legal aid help to the great unwashed ie US.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 22, 2012 @ 9:51 am

  386. I’ve just had my interrogation, which lasted a surprisingly short amount of time. I was in a mess with depression, both physically and mentally, he asked the stupid questions about shopping hobbies etc. I told him I had no hobbies, didn’t go out etc. He then asked me if I “fancied” doing some exercises I told him “no chance, I was in pain for weeks afterward the last time and I’m not a performing seal” I was in and out in less than 20mins. Just waiting for the turf off letter now, going to appeal this time. I’m just not well enough to be hassled

    Comment by Claire Todds — February 22, 2012 @ 12:17 pm

  387. Hello Claire.

    I know how you feel, I can’t be bothered either, I just want to get on with my life, trouble is they are not going to let me get on with anything, they are going to keep hounding me until the day I die, in fact they would rather I just died to save them money and stroke of another figure from their list.
    Well I’m just not going to let them win, if they think that hounding and bullying me is going to work then they can think again, all they are doing is forcing me to hate and fight them, and that is what I’m going to do..!!
    If you need to appeal or need help then pick a user name and log in here to the fighters http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 22, 2012 @ 1:57 pm

  388. I copied and pasted the following article from the socialist worker, just in case there is anyone out there who have any doubts regarding the intentions of ATOS HEALTHCARE.

    The ruthless Tory drive to remove thousands of seriously ill and disabled people from benefits was exposed this week as a nurse employed to assess them spoke out to Socialist Worker.

    Jean, a former employee of Atos Healthcare in Scotland, exposed a process she described as a “sham”. Atos is a multinational firm contracted by the Department for Work and Pensions to screen patients.

    “I worked for Atos as a ‘disability analyst’ thinking I would be helping vulnerable people to access their benefits,” she said.

    “I soon discovered that nothing could be further from the truth. The rules laid down by the bosses are designed to catch people out.”

    Jean says that anyone deemed capable of looking after themselves or a child, however difficult they find it, is judged to be capable of work and taken off benefits.

    “If you turn up to your claimant interview in nice clothes, you’ve failed,” she says.

    “If you turn up washed and with your hair neat, you’ve failed.

    “And, if you turn up with your kids, you’ve failed.”

    She described the way that claimants with serious lung ­diseases were regularly assessed as capable of work because they could sit in front of a computer and type.

    “We’re not supposed to ask about how they would get to a workplace, or whether they have special medical equipment that would make daily travel difficult.”

    Bosses are so keen to process claimants quickly that staff are given just 45 minutes to assess people and write up a report about them, says Jean.


    “While training, we worked with actors who pretended to have just one serious illness. We then had to assess and report on them.

    “But in real life, people often have multiple health problems.

    “How are you supposed to assess all of them, and the impact they have on a person, and then write up a full report in just 45 minutes? You can’t.

    “And, because it is not done properly, thousands of people are losing the benefits they are entitled to.”

    After more than 20 years in the NHS caring for patients, Jean says she could not carry on working for Atos and left shortly after she started.

    “The job was making me sick,” she said. “It’s against my principles to treat people with long term illnesses in such a disgusting way, so I had to give it up.

    “People go into those interviews and talk openly to you because you are a nurse and they trust you.

    “Then your skills are used against them, to take away their benefits and destroy their lives.

    “I can’t be a part of that.”

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 22, 2012 @ 2:12 pm

  389. Thank god for people like you ,I thought I was alone in this this my account of what I have been throe,
    Thank Gerard

    When I was 16 I started feeling very weak and Chronically exhausted it was very freighting and I didn’t no what was happing to me over a period of twenty six years I went backwards and forwards to my doctors complaining of a intolerable weakness and Chronic exhaustion they did things like blood test and that was it,
    they said that there was nothing ronge with me and said I should take antidepressants,
    I disagreed, I felt like I was suffering from some sort of physical, problem and not a mental one but took them any way they had no effect and the Chronic exhaustion was continuous.
    It was hard to stand it was hard to move my arms and my lags I could not cope with normal every day things like walking going upstairs anything like that was hard it made me very weak and depressed basically my live was over all I could do was survive and hope that one day I would find out what was ronge with me.
    When I was 33 I was working for a food company, and could no longer put up with the physical and mental exhaustion I was going through .
    I went to see my Doctor and relayed this to him and on how I was filling he put me on the sick and I went on to incapacity benefit ,
    After about two years on incapacity benefit, it was suggested that I tried getting back in to work part time still having the support of incapacity benefit on a new scheme.
    So I joined a job agency’s and started part time work
    I managed to keep this up but the Chronic exhaustion was still there,
    the job agency found me a part time jobs soon this led to working with a company Loomis cash management,
    But the agency had made a mistake and I was put on a five day week instead of a two day weak.
    I went to my doctors and told him what had happened, he suggested I try the five days and see how I got on
    I managed to cope but it was hard I was proud of my self and did the best I could,
    unfortunately some days I just could not cope and rang in sick.
    In march 2007 at the age of 41 I was getting ready for work as normal for some reason I started getting server stabbing panes in my lower abdomen I thought it was food poisoning I induced vomiting and thru- up but the pane got worse I started vomiting black vial the pane became unbearable so I called for a ambulance
    I was rushed in to hospital for emergency surgery to remove two ft, of my small bowel the surging said that it was a bit of a mess in there, he said I had an Intussusception which caused a necrosis this led to having a resection he said that this was caused by a berth defect, and that I was born with it .
    After 7 weeks off work I went back and I hoped I would make a full recovery .
    about 6 -8 months’ after the surgery the Chronic exhaustion started to subside and for the first time in twenty six years I did not have to put up with the exhaustion that I have been caring around with me for all these years
    I am pursuing a case of clinical negligence against the NHS for this and what I have been thorough.
    I still fill Exhausted due to 26 years of exhaustion and surgery that I’ve had but am doing my best.
    I was still working for Loomis cash management and was transferred to a new part of the company
    my new mangier started an Investigation, in to the days I was having off ,
    and asked for my medical records, he all so suggested that I was not fit enough for work
    I was getting fed up with this my last mangier did the same thing,
    I did my best to explain what was happing to me I even got my doctor to right a letter to him
    Some months later I was made redundant. I decided to talk to my Doctor, I said I don’t fill fit or well enough to work full time, because of what I have bin through and my on going condition
    he said I should sine on first ! this did not make sense to me ?
    I did not have time for this and survived on my redundancy money and made an appointment to see my doctor later.
    Now I have started getting complications from the surgery
    I now have a condition called (stretch bow syndrome-bow adjustment ) which is causing, a condition could ileus, which has increase adhesion formation, because intestinal segments of my bowel have more prolonged contact, allowing fibrous adhesions to form, this caused frequent mid bowel blockages, causing pan and discomfort, and a distended bowel black stool and bleeding .
    I related this to my doctor at the time he did not diagnose
    (stretch bow syndrome-bow adjustment) even thou I have had parts of my bowel removed ! he did not prescribe any medication for this condition, even though i was in agony,
    He kept me waiting for over 3 to 4 hours at time for my appointments and after an examination of my rectum said he could not see any black stool
    as it happens I have been passing black stool quite frequently I found out that he could have prescribed Omeprazole 20 mg which reduces the acid in your stomach, and bowel and helps stops the sores bleeding and burning sensation that you get when passing stool which was very painful and uncomfortable the Omeprazole worked wonders, needless to say I changed my doctor and I am now pursuing a complaints procedure against him.
    I explained to my new doctor how I felt, she gave me a sick not and suggested taking a laxative,Lactulose Solution I take this together with The Omeprazole 20mg, the black stools and bleeding and discomfort have subsided and my bowel has had time to recoup and improve,
    I have bin for Barium x-ray, and am awaiting results
    unfortunately my bowel as started to get blocked and distended again and I am passing black Stool with bloody fibrous tissues, and getting belts of feverishness and exhaustion it looks like I mite be having more surgery to correct this.
    Despite this I am still trying to get back in to part time work,
    I was sent a form to fill in from the department of work and pensions to assess my ability to work in relation to my claim for support and allowance benefit
    I would like to point out that I am dyslexic and form filling is not my best ability
    I should have filled the form in properly, but I rushed through it and did not fill it in properly
    However I did right on the form that I was still suffering from exhaustion and have a condition could stretch bowel syndrome hoping that this would be enough,
    I explained this to the medical assessment nurse at the time,
    Consequently I have been deemed fit for fulltime work,
    and I would like to appeal against this decision based on the information I have given in this letter Thanks

    G Kemp

    Comment by gerardkemp — February 22, 2012 @ 10:15 pm

  390. Hello Gerrard.

    No Gerrard you are not alone, there are thousands and thousands of people of all over Britain having to endure this nightmare called an ATOS assessment, found fit for work then their benefits stopped.
    For the last three years it has been censored in the press by papers like the Daily mail and the Sun etc, the only paper anywhere near the truth is the Guardian and some articles in the Daily mirror.

    You have every right to appeal against their decision to find you fit for work, you can get plenty of help here at the sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org and on there you will see that you are definitely not alone.

    I wonder Gerrard about this constant exhaustion ? is it possible you could have ME/CFS ? As I said I was just wondering ? because lately the Government have been trying to persuade people that ME/CFS is all in the mind, their justification for coming away with nonsense like this is this Biopsychosocial model rubbish, this is a school of thought that says illness and that’s any illness is all in the mind, trouble with this crackpot theory is that a lot of people (Mansel Aylward who influences Government health policy is one) are listening to it.

    I noticed in the newspapers that there is a certain Dr who doesn’t subscribe to this nonsense, Dr Raymond Perrin, he believes that ME/CFS is a breakdown in the immune system Dr Raymond Perrin’s research at the University of Salford in conjunction with the University of Manchester has provided strong evidence that an Prof. Jim Richards & Dr. Ray Perrin using Electromyography and isometric dynamometry of the subject’s right quadriceps at Salford University.important component of CFS/ME involves a disturbance of lymphatic drainage of the brain and muscles. http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=raymond%20perrin%20chronic%20fatigue%20syndrome&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CFcQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.forme-cfs.co.uk%2Fclinic.html&ei=UmtFT4zMCMSmhAfYv-z9AQ&usg=AFQjCNE4rojXTVnODpJZ9K98Y3aua78v8Q&cad=rja anyway as I said, you should appeal and you would do well to tune in to the forum quoted and get as much information as you can get regarding this Governments evil intentions towards us..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 22, 2012 @ 10:48 pm

  391. Letter sent to Stephen Williams MP, before meting .

    Hello sorry to take time in sending information, as discussed in phone call with sectary,
    I am in situation were I have been deemed fit for full time work , when I am not fit or well enough
    To do so,
    I am on my second appal my first appal was turned down with the statement I have sent you,
    I find this hard to say but I am being forced to look for full time work and say I am well and fit enough for full time work when I am not,
    I have a solicitor from, DHA Community legal advice serves , helping me with the case
    I am at a loss,
    I have never been forced to work when I am not fit enough,
    if my appal is trend down I am considering going on a controlled Unger strike, no one should be forced to work when they are not well or fit enough, my last employers made me redundant because I had to keep having days off sick ,
    on job seekers assisted allowance, I was permitted to do part time work ,so I found a part time job working with Home Fundraising for Cancer Research UK ,I did my training, and started 15,houers a week door knocking,
    I put my heart and soul in to this job I believed in it and did my very best ,
    It can be very soul destroying knocking on door after door, and not getting any where,
    but soon the penny dropped, and the training and support I was giving paid of ,and I started to get people to sine the Direct Debit forms, unfortunately I did not no ,that with all the travelling and the hours that went in to this job, that it would tern out to be 25,28 hour 3,day week it soon came around that I cloud not keep this up,
    on the second week I had become so exhausted that I could no longer cope,
    I was upset with my self but I had no choice but to give the job up
    even my doctors say I am suffering from chronic fatigue and sine my medical certificate saying this ! i am taking 4,difrant types medication, to keep my condition stabile .
    Can you help me on this matter yours,

    Gerard B Kemp
    ps, sorry for spelling as I am Dyslexic

    Comment by gerardkemp — February 22, 2012 @ 10:58 pm

  392. My second appeal was turned down
    and its only because the DHSS manager agreed to put me on minimum of 16 hours a week, it’s the only reason I am not going on a Unger strike,
    It makes me sick that I have to, still say I am fit for full time work, (ok its 16 hours but it still applies,)and sine on and fill a work search form and make sure I apply for jobs and be there to sine on
    some times I have not enough energy to move
    ,but I have been playing them just to get buy,
    Now the dhss have brought out a new fortnight form to fill in and its imposable to get a way with playing it this way ,
    so I am considering Unger strike, again ,
    Gerard ,

    Comment by gerardkemp — February 22, 2012 @ 11:00 pm

  393. Thanks for reply I am to exhausted to say any moor at moment will right tomorrow,
    Gerard .

    Comment by gerardkemp — February 22, 2012 @ 11:06 pm

  394. Cheers…For anyone who hasn’t signed the Sack ATOS healthcare now petition http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/sack-atos-healthcare.html please sign it only takes a couple of minutes..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 22, 2012 @ 11:21 pm

  395. Hi, well my husband recieved his letter from the medical this morning and it’s not as bad as I was thinking it would be. He’s been placed in a work related activity group. What exactly does that entail, does anyone know? How frequent are they and stuff like that?
    At least it wasn’t exactly a ‘you’re fit to work’ letter, but he’s still stressing about it because he doesn’t know what it is.
    Thanks in advance

    Comment by Amanda — February 23, 2012 @ 12:00 pm

  396. Hello Amanda.

    It’s about the best the majority of us can get, the other group (Support group) means that there is no possibility of working whatsoever, The WRAG ? it basically means that the DWP will call you/us to the Job centre and discuss how they can help you/us get back in to work, since there isn’t any work then of course you can see it’s all a sham, I was called a couple of weeks ago, interview lasted around 20 minutes and asked me what work I had done before etc.

    They cannot force you to take a job though, they can only advise what work you may be able to do, by the way because he is on the WRAG work related activity group he will not have to send in sick lines.
    I don’t wish to scare you but be prepared for another letter from ATOS in a month or two to attend another assessment, it’s computer generated by the way..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 23, 2012 @ 1:53 pm

  397. Thank you for the information. He’s happier now it’s just an interview, he thought it meant he would have to go to one of these group meetings.
    I was prepared to do battle this time around if we had to appeal, so if they call him again for another medical we’ll face that one just like this. Thank you for all of your help, I think I’ll probably get a decent nights sleep tonight now!

    Comment by Amanda — February 23, 2012 @ 2:08 pm

  398. Hi Dwpexamination

    DWP are messing me around, my mother keeps ringing and being told different dates when my money will be paid to me after they stopped due to the sick note running out and us having to send a new one, we assume they’ve recieved but still haven’t paid?

    Basically they swear blindly to my mother that my money was paid in on Wednesday but as of Thursday night nothing is in my bank account.

    What can we do, if anything? It shouldn’t take 48 hours to pay money in, I’m now owed 3 weeks of back dated assessment rate money and with each passing day the amount owed goes up, I just want the money paid to be honest but again all we can do is keep phoning right?

    I guess its common to be messed around by the DWP *Shrug*

    Comment by Matthew — February 23, 2012 @ 8:17 pm

  399. Hello Mathew.

    I had the same problem and had to wait ages, the DWP do nothing to suit you/us, everything they do is to suit them, once you understand that then it becomes a little easier to tolerate them.
    Don’t forget that when your mother phones the DWP and asks why your money is not forthcoming because after all you have conceded to their every demand and have nothing more to give, then you have to understand she is talking to a muppet who couldn’t care less whether you sent your sick line in or not, and couldn’t care less if you got your money or not, I don’t say this to upset you but to make you aware that when you call these people then this is the mentality we are up against, it’s an absolute disgrace and something should be done about these nincompoops.

    A letter is better than a call, and probably best if you prepare and send one, but even then it’s all to slow because you want your money NOWwhy can’t they bloody well not understand this, I know how you feel because I’ve been there, the only thing I can suggest is to try and be patient, you will get there.

    Yes Mathew it’s common to be messed around by the DWP, that’s the way their whole bureaucratic system is designed…CHAOS.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 23, 2012 @ 9:13 pm

  400. I’ve read through some of the forum posts here and would like to thank people for taking the time to share their experiences

    I also had a medical exam a while ago which I appealed and later won where the “non medics” answers read like it was a totally different persons answers and almost everything I said had been omitted and replaced by a different answer

    One of the more memorable ones was when he asked me about my reading habits

    I replied that before my depression I loved reading and got through 2 or more books a week, but since my illness started I now struggle to retain the information I read to such an extent I cant read a single page of A4 in one go as I have forgotten the facts in the first half by the time I am reading the last half

    The form they submitted said “The subject enjoys reading books and newspapers”

    On the other side of the fence though, I was an IT manager prior to my illness and miss working, the interaction, the thrill of achievement etc etc and ofcourse the money.

    But I currently cant control my sleeping, struggle to retain or mentally organise information, I forget things randomly no matter how important they are to me or how imperative it is they get done and get extremely stressed and anxious around strangers or in groups of people to name just a few of the more pertinent aspects of my condition

    So at the moment I am pretty much resigned to ending up homeless as I have heard about the new telephone lie detector test and I get anxious as hell and being honestly slightly paranoid when answering any type of questions even those silly online quizzes so I will almost definitely seem like I am lying even though I am not.

    Which will then lead to the witch hunt process that I am not sure I have the stregnth to fight my way through again

    And to top it all off, I dislike and despise myself for being in this position and NOT working and supporting myself like I used to be too, which only serves to detract from my ability to fight something like this as part of me almost feels that any misfortune that befalls me “serves me right” for ending up like I am

    My only real animosity is due to being left on DLA and a regime of pills when I am sure that there must be some forms of therapy, counselling of CBT that could have gotten me back to something like I was before my illness started and therefore back to work rather than facing ending up homeless

    Comment by Mike — February 26, 2012 @ 12:21 pm

  401. Hello Mike.

    First of all don’t blame yourself for being depressed it’s a common illness and have had it myself in the past, I found a way to combat it, and now I’m fine, one day you will wake up feeling better, that grey feeling that descends and torments will not be there, when that happens then that’s your cue to take action and do something about it.

    I understand when you say you miss work, the camaraderie, the being part of something, doing a job well done and gaining satisfaction, and the money ? we don’t forget that.

    Now you mentioned this telephone lie business, as far as I know it was a trial and found wanting, the result was they dropped it, results were sporadic and unreliable, and no one is going to be judged on what they say in a telephone call. I have no evidence it has been re-introduced, and if anyone can confirm it has been re-introduced then please let us know about it.

    There is no need for you to be homeless ? I’m wondering why you think that ? perhaps you have a good reason ? would be interesting if you let me know the reason and we may be able to work a way round it ?.

    Remember when you appeal, you will be entitled to the assessment rate, it’s not much but you will not be any worse of financially than a person who is signing on for work, it’s a real pain that we have to accept the assessment rate rather than the full ESA rate, but the reduction is designed to punish us for having the cheek to be ill.
    It could be worse, we could be living in a mud hut somewhere with nothing but a loin cloth…at the moment our Government are making folks life a misery, but it’s all designed that way to grind us all down and make us unhappy.

    Maybe Cameron and his crew are depressed and unhappy, they certainly don’t look and act as if they are happy, remember these people are worth millions, but still feel the need to torture people to get some kind of cheap thrill, I ask you ? would you like to be like them, unable to function unless your making other peoples lives a misery…!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 26, 2012 @ 1:19 pm

  402. I had heard that the telephone lie detector thing had been scrapped. But a friend who works for sandwell council in the IT department said an outside company is being used to conduct telephone interviews and to verify claimants details

    Although the government itself has said it has stopped using the voice analyser software he said theres some fairly reliable rumours floating around that the outside company is using the software themselves so they can meet the targets that came with the contract for conducting the telephone interviews

    He did try to find out whether this was more than just a rumour but got questioned by his manager about why he was interested and was advised that it wouldnt be in his best interests to ask questions that didnt related directly to his job. But apparently as its a third party company that “could” be using them the government doesnt have to admit to even knowing its in use. But “allegedly” the reintroduction of the lie detector software via a third party is why they have been trying to do as much as possible over the phone rather than by post

    As for the homeless thing I have some rent arrears I am in the process of paying off for quite a while now, and every time I have any new arrears on my rent account the council instantly start eviction proceedings.

    Both times so far its been due to delays by the DWP processing changes in my claim, once due to my son graduating and moving out and the other time was due to my appeal. But even though the council knew the rebate thing was being sorted and the new arrears would be sorted they tried to rush an eviction through on the basis of the existing previous arrears that I am paying off.

    So with the sound of what things are like now it would seem delays are likely to be more likely and longer lasting. And then theres the new bedroom tax thing. And as theres no properties around here that I could downsize into anyway it just feels like a matter of time one way or another

    As for cameron et al. As much as I hate to sound sympathetic to them I will be honest and say that until 10 years ago I honestly thought depression was nothing more than lazy people being medicalised by a labour government to keep voters dependant on the welfare system etc etc, And that rather than an actual medical condition it was just an attitude problem

    To someone who has (had) never suffered from depression and who was up beat almost to the point of being annoying at times the concepts and mindsets of depression are practically unimaginable and are so alien you cant even comprehend someone feeling or thinking that way. So to people who have pretty much been born into money, have in most cases never really done any proper work and who have been well educated career politicians they would probably have more trouble trying to understand or even believe in the existence of depression than me as I came from a single parent family, had a secondary school education and started working at 16

    So it was kind of ironic and a bit of a karma thing really that after my 16 year relationship ended, my mother died and I lost my job as an IT manager just before the IT job market crashed after 9/11 putting me out of work for the first time ever in my life within a 3 month period that I ended up becoming one of “those” people I had thought were all lazy skliving scroungers

    Comment by Mike — February 27, 2012 @ 12:27 am

  403. Hello Mike.

    As you can see, I’m not a lazy scrounger who stays in bed all day with the curtains closed, I actually get out of my bed make some breakfast and get on the computer to try and make a difference, I/we try and help people like yourself who through no fault of their own have been thrown on the scrapheap get what they are legally entitled too, my co-editor and I do not get paid and do not wish to be paid, neither does the couple of dozen people on our sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org get any kind of payment and neither do they wish any, in fact Mike it costs us money because the sites have to be rented, when we send letters to MPs the ink has to be paid for and so on, these are people who don’t have two halfpennies to rub together, not like this Government and the last lot, who wont lift a finger to help anyone unless there is something in it for them.

    As for the lie detector business ? well you may be on to something there, probably new software and sophisticated too and we are the guinea pigs to be experimented on, because you know Mike this Government and the last are tyrants they respect no laws because this is a Dictatorship, this is and has been since at least 1997 a Country ruled by tyrants who wish to disguise their activities as a Democracy, one in ten people voted for this present bunch, they have no mandate to dismantle the NHS for instance, but still they carry on even though 90% of Health workers, and 90% of the people have said no, still the horror goes on and it will go on, because they just don’t care what you and I think, this is just one of the things I’m getting out of bed at 6 in the morning to try and fight against.

    Anyway Mike, I have been where you are, I’ve been homeless through no fault of my own, I’ve suffered DWP/ATOS cruelty, depredation and being spoken down too, and I’ve seen how corrupt they all are, up until 1997 I wasn’t interested in politics, I was willing to let them get on with it, willing to let politicians do what they are supposed to do best which is run the Country, if they and the DWP had just left me alone, if they had just respected my rights, if they had just tried to help me back in to work as they and their masters have promised, then I would have left them alone, but now they have pissed me off, they don’t realise that no matter how long it takes I’m going to do everything in my power…because I’ve made it my life’s ambition to smash them in to little pieces and I’m willing to take the jail in return.

    I won’t go on about it, because I don’t want to bore you or any other readers, and anyway I have a life to lead as well, I have hobbies and interests and to be quite frank with you, I wish the DWP and the powers that be, would just leave the likes of you an I to get on with our lives without constant interference, if they had done that in the first place then maybe I would not be here..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 27, 2012 @ 7:33 am

  404. Hello, I just found you yesterday. I received a phone call from somebody who said they were from a company named Atos yesterday (Sunday 26/2/12). I have never heard of them before so i wouldn’t give them any information about myself. After i hung up the phone, i did a little research and was horrified to find that they were a genuine company contracted by the government. The woman on the phone told me in rather a rude manner that if i wouldn’t talk to her she would just write to me instead. I have suffered from serever depression and anxiety for 12 years and am scared to go out of the house on my own. I was just wondering if anyone else had recieved a phone call from these people and if so what was the outcome. I would be most grateful to hear any feedback. Thank you in anticipation.


    Comment by Karen McDonald — February 27, 2012 @ 9:20 am

  405. I wasnt actually suggesting anyone was lazy or a scrounger, but used the terms in reference to how it can and infact does “seem” to people who have had no experience of depression and as a result cant imagine how somebody could have that kind of outlook so I apologise if that wasnt clear

    On the topic of governments. The idea that the aims of left or right wing governments would be different is well past its sell by date as much of the funding for anyone with any chance of gaining power comes from the same sources albeit through different groups of companies that they own.

    Infact for any large political change you do infact need both political extremes to work together and for niether to reverse things the previous one has done. With the NHS you did need the socialist practise of turning things into a money pit to set the stage for the tories to step in and “save” us from the crippling debts with sweeping cuts and all the changes claimed to be needed to facilitate those cuts in all areas (except MPs and Councillors expenses)

    And as the US has shown the health industry is one of the biggest cash cows in a country but isnt as easy to sell off as the electric, gas, water and BT were. But the same approach is still being used as the country fell for it time after time which is to allow it to run badly, cost a fortune and provide poor service then offer privatisaton as the “answer” which with the NHS is just being done in baby steps. But I would bet that within 2 decades we will have a private healthcare system or at the very least a hybrid one where its all run privately but the government pays for it in the same way a medical insurer would in the US and I believe the process has already been in progress for 20 years or more setting the stage for it to be possible

    So if this government collapsed tomorrow and labour got in they would carry on doing the exact same things, infact many of the things the tories are doing now were already planned and put in place by the last government anyway. So the idea that theres two sides to government is out of date as both sides are already bought and paid for by the same people and therefore work towards the same agendas

    And most privatisations and outsourcing schemes tend to provide fewer services and cost more rather than less long term, but the most important difference is that unlike public service organisations a percentage of the tax payers money can then be siphoned off directly into shareholders or company owners pockets which would be classed as embezzlement whilst the service was being done by a public organisation

    This was perfectly highlighted by the A4E scandal where 11 million out of 180 million had been siphoned off by a company with one or more of camerons close friends on the board. And where his response was that this kind of thing was to be expected and wasnt a big deal basically

    Its not a big deal because the ability to make huge profits from what was previously a public service is the main reason for outsourcing, it providing a better service isnt and never has been the main driving force behind it and isnt afterwards either it would seem in most cases

    Comment by Mike — February 27, 2012 @ 9:30 am

  406. Hello Mike.

    Just before the election our new ReichsFuhrer Herr Cameron and his new Nazi party acolytes said and I paraphrase ”I’m going to put an end to the something for nothing culture” when I go round and talk to my constituents they are telling me that when they go to work in the morning at 7 o clock their neighbors are lying snoozing away with the curtains drawn, while we are out struggling to do an honest days work.
    Of course he is talking to you and I as well, people who are ill, and that is what I was referring too, my mistake because I thought it was common knowledge.
    Let’s look at some of the derogatory terms they and their supporters use to describe people with illnesses : Scroungers, languishing on benefits, handouts, living high on the hog, living the life of riley, Anally fissured Parasitical wankers, the flat screen tv brigade, Andy Capps, and for people who are just unemployed through no fault of their own and stole something to eat : A bed and breakfast course in crime.
    That is what they really think of us, make no mistake.

    Only this morning Sir Stuart Rose said that gaining work experience is a good thing, 40 years ago when he was a young lad he stacked shelves and swept floors you know, and if he was a parent he would say to his child get out there and get it lad.
    Well he forgot to mention that he was on a management course and stacking shelves just for one day at the time, and he was getting a living wage as well.

    Gaining work experience in my opinion is a good thing, but not unpaid work experience with no chance of a job at the end of it, that’s just soul destroying and Sir Stuart Rose knows it, this man is a selfish idiot, and is one of the parasites I’m fighting against.

    I must say I agree with all your comments..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 27, 2012 @ 10:11 am

  407. Hello Karen.

    Yes ATOS it’s a so called health company who are contracted by the Government to assess everyone who is on sickness benefits.

    They are evil cruel people who get a bonus for every claimant they find fit for work, at first three years ago when they started to persecute the sick and disabled no one knew how bad they would be, no one could even imagine in their wildest dreams how cruel and heartless they would quickly become, that’s why all these forums and Blogs were set up over the last couple of years on the internet.

    We have one as well, a forum, and if you want to know your rights and protect yourself you would do well to pick a username and log in here http://www.dwpexamination.org so when they send you the letter demanding you attend their fit for work assessment or your benefits may be affected then at least you will have support and help as well as some clues what to do next..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 27, 2012 @ 10:22 am

  408. @dwpexamination

    Thank you so much for your help. Now I know what to do to proceed. I have two questions for you. When this first happened, I was having to go to the local Homeless Shelter-type Medical place, to see a GP and get my 8-weeks duration Doctor’s Sick Note. But then the last time I went there, the doctor there told me that they couldnt continue issuing me these sick notes (this was only my second one) unless I got a new Medical Examination and asked me if I wanted them to recommend me a Doctor. This was a different doctor than the first one, and she went telling me to remove my sock from my foot and twisted it all around… like as if she were doing some sort of mobility test, which is just ridiculous. My foot hurt me for days afterwards, in fact, I believe its what caused that vein to pop out to where I ended up having to see that last Doctor who then gave me a 6-months duration sick note. The whole thing made no sense, really.

    My first question is, since I only have a month to make this Appeal, should I go actually see a Orthopedic Doctor and have him give me a whole new report than the one I got from my doctor in America? I mean, it took me 6 doctors I had to go through till they even finally did the proper tests on me to find out what was really wrong with me. And I am worried about getting these people to recommend a doctor for me, you know what I mean? What if they purposely recommend a doctor that they know will claim there isnt anything wrong with me… because it seems awfully strange that this doctor at the Homeless Shelter medical place was trying to say I couldnt get any more sick notes unless I got a whole new doctor’s report about my condition… yet the next GP here in town goes and gives me a 6-month duration sick note? Another thing is because I had all those back injections when I was in the States, I am worried that the nerve test readings will make it seem as if nothing is wrong with me since the injections they gave me were anti-inflammatory drugs. So I dont know what to do now? Plus only 1 month for this Appeal anyway.

    My other question is, even if I win this Appeal, does this mean that if I do get on Housing, it will be that they will just continually try and make me keep on getting these Medical Assesments and doing this same thing to me? I am worried about actually getting on Housing, and being disabled, and being out on my own, and the Medical Assessment place doing this to me and me not being able to pay my Utility Bills like Gas, Electric, and Grocery Bills also.

    Comment by Claudia — March 11, 2012 @ 1:14 pm

  409. @dwpexamination

    I just wanted to ask you one more thing, now that I have read and re-read what you said to me…. You said:

    “There’s some good news on the horizon which is when you win your appeal and you will do, then all money the DWP owe you will be backdated, this could be up to a thousand pounds so you see since you are no doubt going to win it is worth the short time hassle for the long time gain. Do not sign on, but make sure you get it through to them that you are appealing and by law you are entitled to the assessment rate.”

    …when you say “Do not sign on”, what do you mean by that exactly?

    Comment by Claudia — March 11, 2012 @ 1:31 pm

  410. @dwpexamination

    I should also explain that the reason this one doctor at the Homeless Shelter-type medical place told me they wouldnt continue to issue me these doctors sick notes unless I go to a doctor to get an up to date report on my medical condition, is because when I got this entire nerve test thing done it was back in 2007 in the United States. I have been trying my best to avoid going to the doctor since I got here to England, because I dont want to keep getting back injections for the reasons I stated in my above post. I had been doing my best to just sort of not go anywhere and stay at my house, so that I wouldnt aggravate my back and feet any. I guess you could call it almost completely house bound. The only time I went to the doctor was when I first got here and I got a refill on one of the anti-inflammatory pills that was prescribed by the doctor in the USA. The foot doctor told me if at all possible I should try to get off the pills because of side effects.

    But anyway to me it seems entirely ridiculous for me to have to get another doctor to do these nerve tests all over again… if thats what they are wanting me to do, because with my condition, there is no way it would get better on it’s own… only worse. Because I was supposed to have an operation on both my back and feet and didnt.

    Comment by Claudia — March 11, 2012 @ 1:40 pm

  411. Hello Claudia.

    Where to start…Ok let’s start with a Dr, everyone in the United Kingdom is entitled to have what’s called a General Practitioner (GP) this is not the STADOS UNIDOS we don’t demand to see a credit card here for medical treatment or to see a Dr, medical treatment is free and paid for by the taxpayer, so what to do is pick a GPs surgery nearest you and ask them to take you on as a patient and also ask if you can have an appointment for a medical examination, they will not give you injections or torture you, you will receive a full medical examination, that’s everything. blood pressure, heart rate the lot, the GP is part of the NHS and is not privatised, unlike ATOS flippen healthcare who carry out the assessments for our corrupt Government.

    The Dr you saw at the homeless shelter is telling you to see a GP because he is not your GP, he is telling you to get your own GP, so take his advice and get a GP as soon as possible, the GP will also give you a sick line for the DWP, sometimes for six months and sometimes for three months, when it expires you just keep going back and get another one.

    If the GP assesses you and thinks your medical problem is serious enough he may refer you to the hospital with your permission, you do not have to go it’s up to you, most people go because it is in their own best interests, however if you do not want to attend then that is your prerogative.

    When I said do not sign on I meant do not sign on for JOB SEEKERS ALLOWANCE rather than appeal, you can appeal and sign on it’s true, but remember if you do this they will think you are fit for work, so what I mean by this that to be eligible for Job Seekers allowance you have to go to the Job centre and sign a piece of paper saying you are fit and you are looking for work, since the DWP do not tell anyone that they are entitled to the assessment rate if they are appealing then people think they cannot get money and feel they need to sign on to get some income, you do not have to do this because you are appealing an unfit for work decision by the DWP.
    It’s amazing the amount of people in this Country who do not know their basic rights.

    Your other question regarding housing ? it doesn’t matter how many times you are assessed as long as you appeal and receive the assessment rate you will get your rent paid and council tax paid as well, and some money to live on.
    You mentioned you stay with your brother in law at the moment ? then be careful and check first because the DWP do not give a rent rebate if you are staying with family ?. Your brother in law I’m sure will be considered as family so as I said check that first before you apply for any kind of rebate, I once stayed with my brother and they wouldn’t give me a penny towards rent because he was family, but if I rented privately they would have given me a rent rebate…HOW DOES THAT SAVE THEM MONEY ? MAD ISN’T IT..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 11, 2012 @ 2:40 pm

  412. i now find myself in limbo as regards benefits my mri scan has shown multi level disc degeneration foraminal stenosis spondylosis nerve impingement multi level
    and been deemed inoperable by spinal neurosurgeon who stated will never work again had esa stopped but have reduced rate whilst waiting appeal the esa test had nothing to do with my injuries sustained through years of long hours at work had a smart arse kid tell me on phone you have failed our test you will have to go on jobseekers but can’t work because of spine applied for dla but they used esa medical to refuse dla even with all the medical proof of condition if you can lift empty cardboard box you are fit for work i say if the dwp say you are fit for work they should sign letter to state they are liable for any further damage to you physical or mental and are responsible to look after you for the rest of your crippled life after all there assessments adhere to the highest medical code of ethics possible so atos dwp and government put your money were your mouth is and insure the sick and injured who you deem fit for work even thought mri scans and consultant spinal neurosurgeons have stated it would be dangerous to do so

    Comment by cliff — March 11, 2012 @ 5:46 pm

  413. Hello Cliff.

    You are wrong you are not in limbo as far as benefits are concerned, if you want to know anything about benefits and what your rights are concerning benefits do not ask the DWP ask here instead http://www.dwpexamination.org because the DWP are bullshitting you.
    This smart assed kid who phoned you up isn’t so smart, for a start his job is operating a phone, yes that’s his job no skill whatsoever and moreover he gave you the wrong information when he told you that you need to sign on, how smart is that, cant even do his pathetic phone job correctly.

    This phone call you received is a standard call to newbies, what happens is when you appeal the appeal goes to the DWP first and they do what’s called a reconsideration, yes that’s right a reconsideration, but the truth is they do not reconsider anything, instead they call you and give you the bad news first to see what you will do, amazingly enough sometimes it works and the poor claimant who has appealed thinks they have to go and sign on. you were conned Cliff, but you can do something about it.

    And this is what to do, send them a letter and say on there that you received the call informing you that your appeal was reconsidered but would like to continue on with the appeal anyway, and moreover you would like to be paid the assessment rate while you are waiting for the appeal to be heard.

    And if you ever want to know anything regarding your rights to benefits do not ask these people at the DWP anything they are nothing but liars, go to the forum instead and get the truth.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 11, 2012 @ 7:51 pm

  414. ATOS Healthcare are a waste of space! After failing my medical examination, despite being on prescribed (and potentially dangerous) medication for depression, anxiety, mental anguish, etc I had my claim for ESA suspended and was made homeless at exactly the same time.

    It’s now been a month, I am waiting for CAB to deal with my appeal except they need me to get sick notes from my doctor which I cannot get in time to put the appeal through (you only get 30 days) and I have therefore been left homeless with no income and with mentall illness for a month now.

    Homeless hostels, solas, local council and bond schemes have all turned me down and sent me away. I cannot find accommodation in the private rented sector because I have no way of paying the bond and even if I did, the recent cuts in housing benefit means I would have to pay extra towards the rent myself which I cannot do because they have suspended all of my income.

    I am now homeless, incomeless, mentally ill and there’s nothing I can do about. Thanks ATOS Healthcare, it’s good to know your putting mentally ill people out on the streets only to be turned down by their local council when they seek help.

    The entire system is nothing more than a sick depraved joke.

    Comment by LloydyBoy — March 12, 2012 @ 11:17 am

  415. Hello Loydyboy.

    You can still appeal and send it on, then send on the sick note when you get it, there is no law that says you cannot appeal without sending in a sicknote, if you signed on for instance you can still appeal and you don’t need a sicknote, but since you want the assessment rate rather than signing on, then they will not pay you until you produce the sicknote. There is an organisation called mind I’ve been told they are quite helpful, can you find out your nearest office and contact them, who knows it just might pay you, it’s about time you got some luck.

    ATOS healthcare and the DWP are bastards there’s no doubt about that, they don’t care, I was in your position once, homeless and no income etc so I have an idea how you feel, the DWP/ATOS ? they are nothing but rats..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 12, 2012 @ 2:08 pm

  416. I got my assessment rate money back recently(Yay), they paid me the £135 one week, and £135 the next to cover the missing weeks, and have gone back to fortnightly payments. Which is good I guess.

    Still no Atos medical form thing has been recieved yet, is that a good or a bad thing? I mentioned a while back on here it has been requested, just the DWP don’t seem to want to give up the report on me.

    Perhaps the Physio has been proven so completely and utterly wrong giving up such a document could prove what frauds they are. :)(Not that it needs proving, Atos are frauds regardless)

    Comment by Matthew — March 14, 2012 @ 1:39 am

  417. @LloydyBoy

    Is there no family you can rely on? Sorry to hear about your situation.. In a time of need, family is the only thing that can keep us disabled alive whilst we appeal lol

    I was failed back in December, by a Physio no less lol. It’s laughable, they don’t want to give up the Atos report on me for some reason, despite it being requested, I’ve been on the appeal rate for months now. Just to give you some idea how slow the DWP are.

    Comment by Matthew — March 14, 2012 @ 1:42 am

  418. Hi Matthew.

    Sometimes they delay the report, I suppose they hope you will give up, of course you will do no such thing, so a short letter nothing fancy, just a short letter explaining that you would like the report you requested on such and such a date, could you please forward to me as soon as possible.

    They must send you it Matthew, if they don’t send you that report they are breaking the law, they should have sent it immediately when you requested it, by the way when you see the report, depending on how bad it is then you can make a complaint, if the report is really bad sometimes they offer compensation (someone was offered £100) if you complain loud enough..!!
    Of course they say on the compensation letter this is not an admission of guilt etc…Jokers eh.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2012 @ 5:31 am

  419. Thankyou for the advice, I will suggest this to my parents who are acting on my behalf.

    And yes, I will never give up. Technically the only way I will give up is when I’m dead, and ironically enough the whole thing is depressing but knowing you are fighting for your own life/future, gives you strength at least. For me anyway I see the whole thing as one huge battle, as anyone else who disabled does facing these frauds called Atos, we all draw our lines in the sand and refuse to budge.

    Like how it should be. We will win this.

    Comment by Matthew — March 14, 2012 @ 9:30 pm

  420. @dwpexamination Thank you for your answer, Ive jotted it down for the future :)

    Now just one more question and I know this will seem silly but… What happens if I DO by any chance win an appeal? Does that mean I just am exempt from having to go through all of this process over and over again? or does it mean also that I would receive more money or what?

    Throughout this whole thing, I havent had anybody to sit down and just discuss all of this with and Ive been left to just figure it all out on my own. So thats why I might seem really ignorant… its because, basically I AM (LOL! -not even funny, really)

    And so as long as I just keep this entire Appeal thing going, and even if I fail each time, I just can keep re-appealing and they then cannot take my Employer’s Allowance from me, right? And so if the Housing ever does lift the suspension thing, and I get on Housing, I really dont have to worry that I will be stuck out on a limb with 4 walls and a floor and a roof over my head but no way to pay for my groceries or for my gas and electricity, right? (Just making sure before I do it)

    I called the Welfare Rights place the other day and told them about this, and they sent me out a packet to send to the Job Centre and also to my GP to get him to fill out everything. Basically it seems silly to me because why would he as just a GP be able to fill out this thing, answering all those questions about me… it makes no sense at all. But anyway I will just do as told on that I suppose.

    The Welfare Rights people told me I would have a difficult case because since being in the UK, I hadnt really gone to the doctors. So I guess that supposedly makes it look like I am not really disabled? But anyway, (and this may sound silly too but here goes…) Before I left the USA, I went to the dentist and his assistant told me to make sure I had everything of a medical nature, including dental work, done before leaving America, because the healthcare in the UK isnt as good as it is in America. And me being ignorant of all of this just believed them, and thinking of having some doctor who might not know what he is doing stick a needle in my back to put a year or more’s worth of steroid stuff in my back to keep the inflammation down didnt seem like a good idea to me. So I got my last back injection just before coming here which was about 4 years ago. It has lasted because I have been trying not to over-exert myself and keep the inflammation down, which has been working pretty well till now, since Im having to climb up and down the stairs and going to the nearby store to get things. it is nearly causing everything to go back to the point of where it all started before I had ever gotten any injections. And that was, my foot turning purple, and so on.

    This whole thing, in my opinion, is just absolutely ridiculous. I had even told the Medical Assessment GP and written a letter as well, that yeah ok I CAN walk so and so distance but if I do my big toe in my left foot will cramp up and make it were I am in severe pain and have to lie down till it subsides. I can hardly do that in the middle of town, you know? So far Ive been lucky. Well anyway, I could go on and on all day about the absurdity of all of this so I will stop.

    I think its that they view human beings a nothing more than a “biological resource”. And there is no such thing as private property, not even your body, and if they deem it that you ought to work, even though it will further harm your body, they just couldnt care less… work, work work… so that you will produce for them. Thats the picture Im getting.And if it ends up making you completely cripped, what is that to them? Nothing. its not so much a case of people trying to rip off the Government and get on Benefits if they dont need them, its also the Government trying to rip off the taxpayers, and take away the money that belongs to the disabled- that the taxpayers are led to believe are going to people like me.

    Comment by Claudia — March 16, 2012 @ 2:09 pm

  421. @dwpexamination One more question for you. Now that you mentioned about not signing on for Job Seekers Allowance, I noticed in this letter they sent to me, notifiying me of me having my benefits withdrawn… that they say I can appeal, then they say:

    1. You will need to supply us with a medical statement while appealing.

    2. You may also be required to participate in Work Focused interviews.

    — when they say I will need to supply then with a medical statement, is that just another one of those GP doctor sick notes? I had just a couple of weeks ago given them a 6 months duration sick note from my GP here that I recently registered with. They dont explain what they mean by “doctor’s statement” … what do they mean? The Welfare Rights people said include a 3 month sick note, a new one, because they dont like 6 month long ones LOL. Just ridiculous.

    –and when they say that I may also be required to participate in Work Focused interviews, is this where the not signing on for Job Seekers Allowance comes in? What all is involved in this interview? And is there anything that I should know about it beforehand?

    Comment by Claudia — March 16, 2012 @ 2:40 pm

  422. If it is like it is appearing to be, then perhaps these people are like a Paper Tiger. And if you keep on persevering and become a real pain in the neck to them, they might decide you are too much trouble and finally just give you what you have been entitled to all along.

    Comment by Claudia — March 16, 2012 @ 2:52 pm

  423. i filled out form for esa and on the 17th feb i received letter from dwp stateing i have been put in the work related group. I dont quite
    know how it works but how can they put me in the work related group when i havent had a medical with atos, or am i being incredibly

    Comment by christine — March 17, 2012 @ 11:17 am

  424. Hello Christine.

    No you are not thick, the DWP reforms are not so simple to understand, can I ask you a question first : Do you receive Contributory ESA ? or do you receive Income related ESA ? And also how long have you been in reciept of ESA ?. No names or personal details, just which one do you receive ?, and how long ?.

    How I answer your first question depends on what you say next ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 17, 2012 @ 2:37 pm

  425. Dear Bruvs and Sists,

    ATOS test : It is a work CAPABILITY test. The emphasis is on the word CAPABILITY. Listen very carefully to the question. TAKE YOUR TIME! AS LONG AS YOU LIKE! DON’T BE HURRIED BY THE SHITS! and think what answer they want you to give so they can write a report which gives the DWP the excuse to cut your benefits by one third and stick you on JSA. Always give an answer which emphasises your incapacity. BEWARE! THEY ARE VERY CRAFTY! They find a chink in your armour and they are in like the plague in a village of inbreds

    For example, you may be unfit for work and yet you go out to get your shopping from a local supermarket and cook for yourself. The casual manner in which they ask the questions: Where do you do your shopping? and Do you cook everyday? It sounds so innocuous and friendly like chatting to your favourite Granny. If you answer honestly and say yes to both questions, then you are fit for work. YOU HAVE FAILED! This is their mentality. They asked me these questions. My answer? I don’t shop or cook meals. The next question : how do you eat then? I order take away meals by phone to be brought into the house. The next rhetorical question by the astonished fucker interrogating me; You are saying that all your meals are takeaway meals? My answer : YES! Next question : How are they delivered? MY response : I thought I had made myself perfectly clear on that question…etc..

    More on this later. I’ll compose a longer account


    The state power of capital must be destroyed so humanity can go beyond the age of capital.

    Comment by Anonymous — March 17, 2012 @ 7:40 pm

  426. PS This state power of capital has declared economic warfare on the people of this land in order to maintain the interests of the capitalist class of parasites, moneygrubbers and money-shuffling thieves in the city. We have to use all our guile, craft and intelligence as individuals and as a class to oppose this war against us. You either fight back – fight fire with fire – or you submit, crawl away and die. The work of ATOS is an intrinsic part of this economic warfare against us. It is just another ‘front’ opened up to defend the capitalist order. To keep it alive despite the historical truth that it is struggling for breath in its decay and crisis and way past its sell by date.


    Comment by Anonymous — March 17, 2012 @ 8:00 pm

  427. @Claudia

    I’ve been on the assessment rate for months and haven’t been called to an *Interview* and will decline any such request for one on the grounds that I am not assigned to any group and am appealing against the decision made by Atos.


    To be fair, It’s not so much a work capability test, its more a get you off your benefits test, the real test is having to endure the kind of nonsense they ask you. I see no reason why what I do during the day(I do nothing at all in all honesty, no social life amongst other things) has anything to do with anything, and asking me if im feeling suicidal is just wrong in all honesty. They don’t care about your answers anyway.

    A test would imply one has a chance of passing, but clearly as these tests are carried out by Goverment supported fraudsters we disabled can’t pass them even if we wanted too.

    In the future when I have to go back to Atos, I’m going to ask for two things. 1, An appeal form, and 2. if they will actually give me an honest assessment.

    Point 2 won’t happen but Point 1 will save me some printer ink lol. My parents printed the appeal form off the last time.

    Comment by Matthew — March 18, 2012 @ 11:11 pm

  428. By the way, good speech there Anonymous, use a name though. We’re all in the same boat here, nothing to hide.

    Comment by Matthew — March 18, 2012 @ 11:13 pm

  429. How I prepared for the ATOS Interrogation

    Their basic task is to identify any form of activity which suggests or implies that you are capable of working. Hence you must always give them the distinct impression that you are NOT capable of working by NOT showing that you engage in particular activities which imply that you can work. Deceiving them is par for the course. They have no scruples about deceiving us. They give the impression that they are all ‘honest Johns’ but they are really part and parcel of the state machinery to save money by cutting your benefits. It does not matter to them if you are genuinely ill or not. Their agenda is that your income must be reduced to help bridge the fiscal gap just as the NHS must be sold off to private capital within the same rationale. Simply looking at the range of sick and disabled people who have been found ‘fit for work’ demonstrates this basic truth. YOU are paying for the crisis of THEIR capitalist order. And THEIR state power is the mechanism for driving through this injustice.
    If their system was not in the quagmire of an economic crisis, would they be adopting the same methods of persecuting the sick, disabled and unemployed? It is a war against us. We have to adopt the approach of warriors. Use every trick in the book to make sure that your benefit is not reduced by one third because that is approximately what happens when you come off IB/ESA onto JSA. When Thatcher and the state power destroyed the mining communities in the 1980s, they encouraged or turned a blind eye to people claiming sickness benefit in these areas of the country because it enabled them to manipulate the jobless figures. Now the economic crisis is the driver which is moving them to withdraw all these benefits. There is undoubtedly more harsh measures in the pipeline. We ain’t seen nothing yet.

    One must treat the ATOS grilling like a police interrogation. They are a ‘work police'; a ‘work Gestapo’. Think very carefully about your answers to their questions. If a simple yes or no is sufficient then so be it. Keep answers to a bare minimum. Take your time before answering any question. All the time you need. All questions are ‘trick’ questions. It is not simply a misperception on your part and you are not paranoid. They really are ‘trick’ questions. And you know this because at the start of the interrogation they often state that ‘there are no trick questions’ which means they are all trick. These ATOS prostitutes of the state power are ‘turning a trick’. They are conducting a CAPACITY interrogation by deploying underhand chicanery and deception. They are asking you questions in order to note any activity whatsoever which implies the slightest capacity to work in some soul-destroying, monotonous drudgery of a job. The answers which they receive from you gives them the opportunity to state that X is actually or possibly capable of doing A, B or C, etc. Some people – those usually who hate their jobs – are hostile to the sick and disabled claiming benefits. Often it is because, as Bob Dylan wrote in one of his songs, they ‘want to drag you down into the hole they’re in’. That’s their problem. Your problem is how to keep your benefits.

    Each question is posed in such a way as to elicit an answer which provides EVIDENCE of any ACTIVITY whatsoever or to open up a chink in your armour in order to probe further for evidence of activity. And, for them, evidence of activity implies work capability. Do you brush your teeth in a morning? Yes. Then [1] You can use your hands [2] you can stand balanced in front of a mirror for 5 minutes [3] your hand-eye co-ordination is fine [4] You pay attention to your personal hygiene, etc, etc. This is the mindset of these bastards. They are literally like a Gestapo. Do you rub a cream into your muscles to relieve pain? Yes. Then [1] you can use your hands [2] …etc…

    Say as little as possible. Do not offer them the courtesy of a hello, thank you or goodbye. And never volunteer information. Treat them as the scum that they really are. Never give an answer which actually or possibly implies that you are capable of work. This is why you have to stay calm and think before you speak. In fact, always give answers which imply work incapacity. ATOS is the proxy of the state power. That individual who is interrogating you may well be a pleasant person in their private life. However, as they stand in their ATOS role, they personify the power of the state against you. They represent a cut in your benefit of 30%. You are NOT GUILTY. You are UNFIT FOR WORK. Do not fall into their trap by giving answers that imply that you are capable of work. Remember it is a CAPACITY interrogation. You are not ‘chewing the fat’ with your favourite neighbour. YOU ARE BEING INTERROGATED!!

    They want to see if you can ‘cope’ with ‘everyday experiences’ and perform ‘everyday tasks and activities’. If you tell them that you can, then these shits will compile a report which gives the DWP ammunition to kick you off IB/ESA and stick you onto JSA. It’s that simple. They do this by noting behaviour, responses and your appearance throughout the interrogation. It is NOT an INTER-view. That is something completely different. It is a police-style interrogation and you should treat it as such. It is as if you have been arrested as a suspect in a crime and must now go through a police interrogation. You are not guilty. You are innocent. They are the guilty ones. They are the inhuman. They would not pass an assessment : Are you human?


    On a historical note, we must never forget that the capitalist ruling class and its state power throughout its entire history [from the 16th century onwards in England when they allied and ingratiated themselves with the Tudor monarchy] has always used lies, deceit, trickery, coercion, violence, murder and oppression not only to win power from the feudal and Church overlords which preceded it but also to maintain its power throughout these 500 years.

    Here are some specific examples. ATOS will draw their conclusions [in brackets] if you state that you engage in this or that activity, hobby, etc.

    State that….

    1. You travel everywhere by taxi. You never walk or drive or get on the bus. [e.g. if you walk, etc, then you can get about, organise your time, etc]
    2. You never use money. You only use the telephone when you have to. Get a VDU on your phone and get the ATOS number. Never answer it. Let them write to you. Always use a card for payments [e.g. if you use money and the phone regularly then you are socially interactive with others, you shop, buy, etc]
    3. All days are bad days. You sleep 16 hours a day or are a chronic insomniac. You order your food, sit about doing nothing for hours and then return to bed after taking any medication. [e.g. if you keep normal times, do your shopping outside, are busy and active and have a normal sleep routine then you are already routinised for work]
    4. You rarely dress (dressing gown) and order all your food from takeaways. [e.g. if you dress, then you can do it in the morning, are motivated and can dress for work, etc. If you cook then this implies a range of skills which prepares you for work]
    5. All medicines are brought in by van delivery. You order by phone [e.g. if you visit the Pharmacy then it implies goal positing, task orientation, etc ]. You do not use the internet. [If you state that you do, then you are capable of typing and doing an office job, etc, even if you are wheelchair bound]
    6. You do not watch TV (you don’t have a TV) or listen to the Radio or read or write. [e.g. if you watch tv, read, etc then you are intellectually active and mentally capable. If you say that you read novels the next question is usually what sort - pulp or high-brow, etc, in order to gauge your concentration, etc] You have memory problems. Never take an ID to the interrogation. They will assume your memory is OK and they will make note of it. [If they think your memory is OK then there is no problem in sequencing and remembering work tasks, etc]
    7. You have no friends or family and you get no exercise. [if you exercise regularly then you are physically fit for work; if you visit family or friends then you have the basic social skills to do a day's work]
    8. You rarely wash and, if male, rarely shave. The hairdresser visits your home once a year, etc. [if you keep yourself clean and pay attention to personal hygiene then you are self-respecting and not 'letting yourself go', etc and therefore ready to go to work in this bourgeois world of hideous conformity]
    9. Do not mention other illnesses if it implies that your are active in treating them. [For example, if you massage parts of your body to treat an illness then that implies that you can use your hands and muscles, etc, and so are capable of work. It is a type of activity. Likewise if you exercise]
    10. At the interrogation, turn the chair around and turn your back on them. The conditions of the interrogation are created by the state power and are intended to disorientate and dehumanise you. They don’t deserve any attempt on your part to humanise it. Wear sunglasses. No eye contact. If they ask, say that you suffer cluster migraines, etc. Stay calm. Maintain focus and psychological orientation. Be very deliberate in everything you say and do.

    We have to battle these bastards. We have to cultivate a healthy hatred of them and their iniquitous system. We don’t have the legal departments of trade unions or the CBI to fight for us. The unions have basically abandoned anyone who isn’t a fee-paying member. All the major trade unions currently have financial interests and investments in the capitalist order. As bureaucracies, they are part of it. They have stocks, shares, ISAs, bonds, pension funds, etc, many of which are invested by their finance capitalist agents in the superexploitation of the peoples of Asia, Africa and South America. This is where the funds of the trade unions ‘get bigger’ and are augmented through this exploitation of their destitute ‘brothers and sisters’ in these parts of the globe. If the TUs rock the boat too much, they shake the ground on which they stand or rather start to sink the boat in which they sit. They bleat & blabber and blow lots of hot air but not much else. It’s a toothless bark. They are run by self-interested bureaucrats who are well-paid careerists with fat pensions to look forward to when they retire.
    We have to use our own wits and intelligence. I was speaking to the head of a local charity that ‘represents’ the disabled and they told me the best policy is to tell the truth at an ATOS grilling. And these naive arses are representing the disabled!! Thousands of disabled people have been gullible and naive enough to do just that (tell all!) and now they find themselves shifted onto JSA. They struggle every day just to perform the most basic tasks and yet these bastards find them fit for work. The fact of the matter is that when the state power is a corrupt, degenerate organ of deception, oppression and pocketfillers, – and it has its media to back it up, etc, – you have to employ any methods at all which defend your interests. Machiavellian perhaps but the only way to proceed with this state power and its proxy ATOS.

    with Best Wishes,


    The state power of capital must be destroyed if humanity is to go beyond the age of capital.

    Comment by Anonymous — March 21, 2012 @ 7:47 pm

  430. Hello Anonymous.

    You seem to have it all worked out, an ATOS HCPs living nightmare, when this is all over I’m looking forward with great interest to buying and reading your book about the downfall of ATOS which I’m sure you’ll one day be writing..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 21, 2012 @ 8:29 pm

  431. Hate to dispute your comments Anonymous but

    Point 1: No one can get everywhere by Taxi on the amount of money ESA/Incapacity benefit provides, and still have the money to live on.
    Point 2: That doesn’t make much sense as using card payments you have to understand how it works and use your pin too, it takes longer than giving money.
    Point 3: If you order all your food, you’d be fat, you can still be disabled and walk around, even if its to the shop and buy food. With mental illnesses, you are still able to buy food like anyone else. In most cases, same with most physical ailments. Most people have someone there to cook food etc for them anyway, I do.
    Point 4: Saying you’re unable to dress would be fraud, most people with mental illnesses and most physical ailments can dress, you’d have to have the brain capacity of a vegetable or be seriously ill to be unable to dress. Again saying you eat nothing but takeaways would be fraud as if you’re slim, they’d wonder why you’re not fat if you get no excercise and eat crap all day.
    Point 5: Most disabled people use the internet, it doesnt mean anything about capacity, as physically disabled people who cant go out will need an outlet to see the world, and mentally disabled people with no social life(Like me) would need an outlet to well interact with people in safety.
    Point 6: Unsure how this affects things, I have a weird sleeping pattern and watch tv mostly during the night and was found fit for work wrongly by Atos.
    Point 7: The DWP will know if you have friends or families, saying you have no relatives would be ridiculus and fraudulant, most people can visit families with illnesses. This doesnt mean anything in the long run, but I agree can be used against you.
    Point 8: Again most disabled people can wash saying otherwise would be fraud

    Infact stopping here. Most of your suggestions are you telling people to try and defraud the fraudsters(Atos) and lie on these ridiculus tests. The best thing people can do is not listen to you and just tell the truth, this is how you win appeals and how you get back what you deserve and is how I plan to get back my full rate of money again.

    Comment by Matthew — March 25, 2012 @ 9:35 pm

  432. My wife passed on your info to contact our local MP about the sanctions from the DWP Decision Maker. When she got involved, the DWP Decision Maker reversed her decision and my IB was reinstated to the rate that it was before they were going to sanction me and I was told that the ESA 50 would be reconsidered. Now it’s just a matter of playing the waiting game. But is that legal? Are you not suppose to be put on the ‘Assessment Rate’ whilst the ESA50 is being investigated/considered? I read somewhere that when considering an ESA50 from someone that has to be transfered from IB to ESA that they would have to pay you the Assessment Rate plus the premiums (but not the addition for LCW or LCWRA) and that if you was on IB the DWP had to top up the rate if it was less than the ESA Assessment Rate. Also, since that decision was made and I never received that decision in writing from either the DWP or JobCentreplus. However, this DWP/JC+ action/inaction has had a knock-on effect. When I realised initially that my IB was to be sanctioned, I applied and was accepted for Carers Allowance for my wife. When they reinstated my IB, I informed the DWP immediately, and the 2 weeks Carers Allowance that I received was immediately clawed back by the DWP and taken off my next IB payment (it was a good job that I kept it in the bank and not withdrawn it).

    However, now it emerges that the DWP has not updated my case on their computer system. It still states on their system that IB has been cancelled and that he still receives Carers Allowance. I know this as my wife and I received a letter informing us that we owed the local council nearly £20 as they say an overpayment of Housing Benefit/Council Tax Benefit has been made and we have to repay that. I have wrote to the Council included the appropriate evidence, and relaying the whole incident and now I’m just awaiting their decision.

    So what do you suggest I do? This additional stress is not just causing my health to deteriorate, but also that of my wife, who is getting more frequent chest pains due to the stress and I’m afraid, as is she, of having another major heart attack. Should I call the DWP and ask them what the progress is on the ESA50, as it has now been over 14 weeks since I first sent in that form.

    Please advise me…….


    Comment by Tony — March 27, 2012 @ 10:36 am

  433. Hello Matthew
    The whole point about my post is how to deceive the deceivers as you clearly recognise. And why? Because any indication of activity whatsoever implies capacity to work. If you speak truth to fraudsters, they are more likely, not less likely, to defraud you. To pass these tests, you need to be on your back, paralysed, catatonic, on a respirator, etc. These interrogations are an exercise in chicanery by a proxy of the state power. If you are perfectly honest with them, you will in the vast majority of cases fail and be found guilty even if you are not. From what you have said, if you tell the appeal panel that you engage in all these activities, your appeal will be rejected. My perception is that you are mobile, shop, interact with people, you dress, use the internet, watch TV, etc. From what you have said, these activities would cover most of the assessment descriptors and thus you are, in their eyes, fit for work. And, yes, I should have said that you do not visit family rather than saying you have no family. People in wheelchairs and on crutches have been found fit for work.

    Comment by Anonymous — March 27, 2012 @ 11:25 am

  434. Hello Tony.

    If they are still considering your decision to grant you ESA and you haven’t heard from them in 14 weeks then it looks as if they have granted you ESA but are stalling, god knows why Tony, no one can work out how their twisted logic runs.

    You don’t get the assessment rate when they are looking at your original ESA 50 you should get the full rate, you get the assessment rate if you are informed by the DWP that you are fit for work and then you decide to appeal.

    You should be getting the full rate then ? (Although I wouldn’t be surprised if you weren’t) , so you have a decision to make which is should I let sleeping dogs lie and get the full rate or stir their curiosity and put ideas in to their heads (send you a fit for work notice) by phoning them up ?.

    If it was me, I would avoid that stress and get it sorted once and for all, any problems like not being given the benefits you are entitled to then you can immediately appeal and at least you know then where you stand..!!

    Could you let us know how you get on Tony ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 27, 2012 @ 12:02 pm

  435. @Anonymous

    And anyone who lies and cheats their way through the system will eventually get found out. I myself am unable to work, I have several statements from each respective person that has dealt with my condition saying this, Atos ignored a few areas I should of scored points on that we discussed and thus they failed me. Like most people I was treated out of my benefit but I was honest at the interview and scored 12 points.

    I just not one for lying. People say its because of my mental illness just I don’t honestly lie to people lol

    ALL those legitimate claimaints who are honest in every respect will get their money back at appeal and I plan to be amongst those who get their money back.

    I’m currentlty 420 pounds down if you count the weeks I’ve been on £135. And will be asking for every penny backpaid too when I get my money back.

    Comment by Matthew — March 27, 2012 @ 8:56 pm

  436. *I was cheated out my benefit

    But I think people will agree honesty is the best approach, those who are honest will always win in the end.

    Comment by Matthew — March 27, 2012 @ 8:57 pm

  437. Hello Mathew.

    If you were cheated out of your benefit then obviously honesty isn’t your strong point mate..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 27, 2012 @ 9:03 pm

  438. @dwpexamination

    How so? Cheated out of my benefit accurately describes what Atos have done to me. Missing out sections I clearly deserve points on.

    Being honest clearly went against me, it won’t make me lie. Genuine claimants have nothing to fear when being honest, even though they failed me I will get back my money at appeal.

    Comment by Matthew — March 29, 2012 @ 2:25 am

  439. Hello Mathew.

    Good luck at the appeal, I just wish I had your confidence in the appeal system,..!!
    Is this your first appeal ?, have you been before ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 29, 2012 @ 6:35 am

  440. i had my appeal hearing to the upper tribunal yesterday 28/03/2012.

    I wonder if Mr D, Littlewood who hosts a show called saints and scroungers would do a piece on ATOS and the DWP for benefit Cheating and Robbing those who are entitled to benefit being denied it???


    Comment by Brian J — March 29, 2012 @ 9:28 am

  441. Hi Brian.

    I assume you mean the first tier tribunal (The upper is the second tier) that’s great news and another arrow in the black heart of ATOS.
    The forum http://www.dwpexamination.org members have already bombarded the Saints and sinners show with e-mails asking why they don’t do a piece on ATOS and the DWP, the answer was the usual tripe about exposing the (0.3%) cheats but we do highlight the good work some members of the community do etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 29, 2012 @ 9:56 am

  442. Hello matthew
    we are not going to agree on strategy on how to approach the enemy. Better to agree to disagree and leave it at that. People will always do what they think is best for them after they have read other people’s accounts, etc. Just one final word if I may. When the state shifts you from IB onto JSA they save about £30 per week on each claimant which is about £1500 per annum per individual. I understand there are about 2.5 million people on IB. If they get a 40% success rate at shifting people that is a saving of about £1.5 billion per annum. Now that’s a lot of cash to fill the coffers of the financiers (principal plus interest) from whom the govt has borrowed the money on the global capital markets to prop up the banks. In fact, it is about £16 billion over a decade. And that is just from cutting IB. I hope you pass your appeal and your line of approach works for you
    Best Wishes

    Comment by Anonymous — March 29, 2012 @ 12:57 pm

  443. no i meant “The upper or the second tier”

    I got Atos to admit they got it wrong in writing though constantly emailing them directly , addressing my emails to “Tracey Reyner (Customer relations Manager ATOS Healthcare)”

    its more fun that way and cuts out the middle man.

    Comment by Brian j — March 29, 2012 @ 3:36 pm

  444. Hello Brian.

    They better watch out in the future when your around…LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 29, 2012 @ 4:32 pm

  445. The dept of work and pensions I.E Satan’s headquarters for downtrodding people and liars, have not only kept an incorrect record of my address, they have NOT changed it despite me ringing them numerous times to do so! As a result they say they sent me letters regarding my medical, when I hadn’t received them, when they were arriving still with the wrong address, they had made appointments which I had to change, as it wasn’t suitable, (an example of not regarding our busy lives or convenience) then when I had it, I heard nothing, only found out my esa was stopped when I had a housing benefit letter saying my payments had been suspended. I rang the DWP, who denied not sending any letter, saying they had, I never received one! to top it off, was told to appeal, then when I rang HB, they said that I had to borrow off a relative till my appeal goes through! I rang Atos and was told that nothing could be done about the address issue which was their fault! Cnuts!

    I’ve been off with depression and was slowly getting back into work, was all for getting training for a new career, I was about to find out about funding for a course I am interested in, am doing voluntary work, have rent due and now this has happened!

    Comment by Helen — March 29, 2012 @ 6:42 pm

  446. Hello Helen.

    It’s just hopeless dealing with the DWP and ATOS, whether one gets any headway with them or not is all down to luck.
    It’s even worse sending them letters and documents and sick lines etc, the DWP especially are losing them left right and centre, and they never take any kind of responsibility either, absolute chaos.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 29, 2012 @ 7:36 pm

  447. Hi dwpexamination- Just to update, I spent all yesterday working out how to write my appeal statement, an OT at the Buckland Centre ( a back to work assessment centre for those with disabilities and mental health issues based in Boscome, Bournemouth, Dorset), helped me.

    They don’t take people who are never going to work again, just those who are able in spite of. They couldn’t of been more helpful. They let me use the phone to ring shelter who are brilliant at helping people who have been screwed around by Landlords, DWP, and Benefits dept.

    Shelter have helped me finish off my appeal form, rang them and found out that when I rang Thursday the bloke I spoke to to change my address had not, even though he said he had, the woman who we spoke to made sure it was changed, we or Shelter worker made sure it had been, asked her to send a new letter regarding my Medical failure, and requested my money to be paid on appeal status, which is all you can do, and she put on the system that there had been failure to amend my address! Yeah! Shelter also told me to go to the HB dept and get the money paid again to me on a non income basis, which it will. She sent off my appeal first class, and I will be hearing from the cretins within a month.

    I will fight tooth and nail and if it ever gets to court, I will say my piece, and make a point of saying it was all done on purpose just to try and get me off ESA onto JSA without bothering to know anything about my condition, showed gross lack of understanding, and AIMED to induce emotional distress. AIMED to fail me from the start, so there was no actual assessment just a show ! Have little regard for the physically disabled and mentally ill. I might also threaten to get the local paper involved!

    Comment by Helen — March 31, 2012 @ 4:54 pm

  448. Hi Helen.

    Three cheers for the Buckland centre and shelter, unfortunately there’s not enough of them to go round which means a lot of people are not getting the help they could be getting.
    The appeal will take a while, but at least in the meantime you have some money to try and get by on, and you will get the rest back when you win at the appeal.
    Thanks for the update Helen and don’t forget to tune in to the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org and find out what’s going down.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 31, 2012 @ 6:35 pm

  449. Thanks for your reply, just got back from seeing family,
    I tuned into the forum but it has closed, they moved it to another link, which is linked on the web page. Just tom let you know. Tomorrow I ring the HB and ask what is taking them to pay my HB, and also I am watching the DWP, they still haven’t sent my letter I was supposed to of got informing me of my medical failure. I am thankful at least shelter are on my case. I suspect the DWP are playing games, I had my GP send a letter supporting me. So all in all I have now is faith and enough comebacks in my head to keep me amused!

    It is disgusting there is not enough help out there for the helpless. My thoughts and prayers are with them!

    Comment by Helen — April 10, 2012 @ 8:53 pm

  450. I went to my medical 3 days ago and had the worst experience! The ‘Doctor’ was a complete witch! I suffer from serious panic attacks, social anxiety (sweating, blushing), anxiety and stress (which I can barely leave the house for and everyday tasks are a struggle). I take two kinds of medication and I see a mental health practioner every two weeks. She was typing most stuff on the computer and other stuff I was describing in detail she was just staring at me and not typing it down. I was honestly made to feel like a “scrounger” and that I was “Crazy”… I felt very interrogated! she was asking questions like “how did you get here today” “who came with you” “what time did you wake up?” “do you eat much?” “do you have friends?” “how do you keep it touch with them?”

    Beware of these people when going!!! They’re are out to get you off benefits even when you’re claiming legitimately!!

    I will let people know of my decision… Reading stuff on here, I fully expected to be taken off ESA.

    Comment by Jamie — April 13, 2012 @ 4:27 pm

  451. Then you should appeal and we can help you with this. Join our sister forum at dwpexamination.org where you will meet other people in a similar situation

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 13, 2012 @ 8:01 pm

  452. Thanks… Could you tell me how I request a copy of the medical they done to be sent to me?

    Comment by Jamie — April 14, 2012 @ 1:23 pm

  453. Jamie, you must call your local jobcentre and demand a copy. Be polite but firm as you will likely be dealing with a front line drone who will not have access to your report. They usually try to fob you off, this is a delaying tactic as you only have a month from their contact telling you your benefits have stopped. Ask to be put through to someone who can access your report and send you a copy.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 14, 2012 @ 6:35 pm

  454. PLEASE HELP.. I was asked to attend a tribunal hearing but because of my progressed disability, i tried to get evidence from my doctor to help with the tribunal hearing so i asked my dr akbar to arrange for me to have a physical examination by the rhumtology experts. Dr Akbar said that i have a rhumatologist appointment soon, so you’ll get get one then, but each time i went to the rhumatolgist, they said it was up to my doctor to arrange and organisation an examination. I then sacked dr akbar and saw another doctor who was in the same building (probably friends) so i asked dr Lechi or dr leki to please arrange for me to be examined and i went back again to find out when the examination was to notify the tribunal of when i could attend as it was adjourned because of this and Dr Lecki replied QUOTE.. “I’ts not for you to ask for an examination it’s for the tribunal to request one”! UNQUOTE:. I then explained i have been trying to be examined for the last 6-9 months and explained to him what the rhumatologist said and he told me QUOTE: “please do not tell me how to do my job” UNQUOTE.
    I would LOVE to know who is actually responsible to help/arrange for me have a full physical examination, just like one i had about 4 years ago which i did not even ask for!!?

    my reviews for dr leki/lechi and dr akbar. DON’T ever use these doctors who are based in the bedford hill practice in balham because they will make your health worse!.

    Comment by Tony — April 15, 2012 @ 10:20 am

  455. Its a scam the Drs know well, If the Courts request a medical they do one and charge for it. Its disgraceful. Do you have any other previous information or communications you can show the tribunal? if not then it looks like you may have to go in without it. If you dio it is essential you tell the tribunal what your Dr said as they may well adjourn your hearing untill they have a medical report. Its not the best result but may be the only one open to you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 15, 2012 @ 12:04 pm

  456. hi, had my assessment on monday and was just wondering how long it takes for you to beable to have the assessment report ready to be posted to me. i rang yesterday but they told me it wasnt on there system yet and to call back next week. was this a fob off or do they really not have it to send yet? also i really dont think i have passed the assessment even tho ive had 3 before but with the old incapicity medical. because i suffer from my lower back and siatica in both legs and she never questioned me about how far i can walk or sitting down. i wish i had of found this site before my assessment because i left my girlfriend in the waiting room and have now found out that it would have been a hell of alot better if she came in with me.

    Comment by burt — April 19, 2012 @ 8:14 pm

  457. Hello Burt.

    They will have the ESA assessment report no doubt about that, but on computer not on paper, they hope you won’t ask for it.
    Probably best to wait for the result, and whether you have passed or failed (Especially if you have failed) then write to them and insist they send it to you as soon as possible along with a GL 24 appeal form.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 19, 2012 @ 8:56 pm

  458. thank you dwpexamination, ill come back and tell you more when ive received the results. thanks again.

    Comment by burt — April 19, 2012 @ 9:21 pm

  459. I was just thinking, i have not had my work related interview yet even though from 30th April 20121 my contribution based esa will stop, not entitled to income based esa has my husband is working,so f they try to palm me off on a work placement for 8 weeks talk about slavery i wont even be getting any benefit for doing it, so i will just go back to work a few hours at my job that they are keeping open for me.
    If i do not got for the work related interview the only sanction that they can present me with it to stop paying my national insurance stamps,as i will be receiving no benefit for them stop.
    I scored 18 points at the atos medical, and could be faced with forced labor,with no provided benefit,SOMETHING RESEMBLING HITLERS GERMANY.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 22, 2012 @ 11:01 am

  460. j i was made fit for work by atos at croydon appealed went to tribunal lost my temper at remarks made by dr there tried to punch mouthy git in mouth was sent out of room ,called back declared
    unfit for work on mental health grounds dr said i was a psychopath justice at last

    Comment by Anonymous — April 27, 2012 @ 1:55 pm

  461. Hello Anonymous.

    That will teach him some humility, he won’t be so smart the next person he speaks too.
    Take care..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 27, 2012 @ 3:19 pm

  462. it is clear the object of the exercise is to reduce sickness payments , matter less to what effect this may have to the individual , l. this is a pure e xercise in state bully boy tactics, under the guise of reform, the fact is currently the organizations who would normally champion the cause of the people being subjected to the abuse of the state ,, are overwhelmed, by the shear volume of the situation , citizen advice centres cannot give the assistance required to people with complex medical conditions, in the cases which are so often passed over by the esa depriveing those of an aided responce to the findings of these so called review boards, the absurd thinking of this present thinking is to return people to employment, which is a joke, many of these people will never work again not by choice but because no employer would employ them , as the present useing administration, have no empathy with the strata of people who cannot deliver taxes . knowing the easy target they pose the y attack, the sick pay for the excess of the government, the same government who said the country is in safe hands what a joke

    Comment by Anonymous — April 30, 2012 @ 7:40 pm

  463. Hi DWPExamination, got my brown envelope this morning and it contained GOOD news. They awarded me ESA in the Support Group, for my mental health issues that are well documented, take no pleasure in being mentally disabled, as it has been the cause of many issues in my life, but as my parents put forth a fantastic case with fantastic evidence, they awarded me the status, and I don’t have to worry about losing it for now.

    The letter states it was heard by an independant appeals service or tribunal forgot which, letter is downstairs.

    They are paying me over £700 in back payments too.

    Thanks for the advice over the months dude, you helped make a tough period bearable. Now I can rest easy for now, until Atos summon me back =/

    Good luck with your ESA stuff

    As said over a month ago, honesty wins out in the end :)

    Comment by Matthew — May 2, 2012 @ 11:15 am

  464. Hello Mathew.

    It looks like the DWP forwarded your case to the appeal tribunal and because you were not able to attend they held a paper hearing in your favour, and kudos to your parents for all their help.
    Thanks for the recognition dude…LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 2, 2012 @ 12:10 pm

  465. @dwpexamination

    Nope, we hadn’t heard anything from a tribunal service prior to today. But the letter states.

    ‘Your appeal has been heard by an independant appeal tribunal. The tribunal has decided that you are entitled to Employment and Support Allowance.

    Needless to say its a 4 page letter that highlights how much I’m owed, some facts and what not.

    We would of gone to a tribunal if requested, there was no contact from the DWP for ages, we hadn’t even recieved a copy of the Atos report, just a list of areas which I scored points in(When they failed me back in December), which we used as a basis of appealing + Medical evidence.

    Comment by Matthew — May 2, 2012 @ 12:47 pm

  466. How lovely, just telephoned my line manager at work, not worked for a year because of long term medical problems, but she has told me that she is unsure whether i have a job to go back to and that she would have to arrange for a meeting with HR myself and her.
    GREAT HOW TO KICK A LAME HORSE WHEN I AM DOWN ALREADY. as my contribution based esa has stopped on 30th April, rang DWP at least my appeal has now been put on computer, to go into support group.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — May 2, 2012 @ 1:13 pm

  467. Hello Mathew.

    An independent tribunal is the first tier, and they haven’t requested you attend ? and you haven’t even had the chance to look at your ESA 85 ?.
    Sounds strange to me, well at least you have what you want, next step is to request your ESA 85 anyway, it can be important for the next time they find you fit for work, my guess is the ESA 85 is favourable to you and they don’t want you to see it, it’s just a guess though.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 2, 2012 @ 2:39 pm

  468. Hello Alison.

    One lot are forcing you to work and the other lot are forcing you not to work, what a nightmare eh, just shows it’s all a sham..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 2, 2012 @ 2:47 pm

  469. Hello

    I had my 2nd atos medical last week. Except I didn’t because as I swore 3 times at the hcp, she got up wedged open the door and I was greeted by 4 security gaurds and asked to leave.

    One of the gaurds even offered me a cigarette which he rolled for me and stood outside the building while I smoked some of it. He even said quite a few bad things about atos.

    5 days later, I recieved a letter stating ‘ We recently asked you to attend a medical assessment at 4pm friday 27th April. This was in relation to your benefit claim’

    We have now recieved more information and we no longer need you to come to this assessment. Please do not come to the medical examination centre as this appointment has been cancelled.

    If you want to discuss your claim to benefit, or if you would like more information about why you no longer need this medical assessment please contact the jobcentre plus office that deals with your claim.

    I no I shouldn’t have swore, but due to my medical conditions and the medication I am taking they would have understood this.

    I also covertly audio recorded the whole thing from walking into the building and walking out with the security gaurds and having a smoke with one of them, and also his not so nice comments, oh and also another gaurd telling me that they will write with another appointment and what time would I prefer after going back into the building to get me this info.

    I appealed my first failed medical and won.

    I guess now this means I will be fit for work and all benefits stopped? What’s the most likely outcome?

    Comment by TCM — May 2, 2012 @ 3:01 pm

  470. It has made me feel so ill, i completely give up with this life.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — May 2, 2012 @ 3:36 pm

  471. Hello TCM.

    What the most likely outcome ? there’s one sure fire way of finding out and that’s phone them and ask them.
    There can only be two outcomes, they find you fit for work and you appeal stating your health issues as the reason for appealing.
    Or they say that you are unfit for work probably special circumstances rule/s.
    My guess would be the first, but as I said, the sooner you ask the sooner you will find out and the sooner you can take the appropriate action in your own best interests.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 2, 2012 @ 3:39 pm

  472. Hello Alison.

    It’s going to get worse for folk who appeal in the future, the Government at this moment are discussing whether to stop the assessment rate for people who appeal being found fit for work, they want this to happen by April 2013 one year from now. http://unemploymentmovement.com/forum/benefit/2434-changes-to-appeal-system-for-esa-as-of-april-2013
    People ask, what do they do for money ? and the answer is they will have to sign on or go without benefits until their appeal is heard.

    Is this the worst British Government ever ? or what ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 2, 2012 @ 3:45 pm

  473. @dwpexamination

    Thanks for your comment. I did call the dwp and the drone on the other end said no details are on the system and can take up to 2 weeks to appear.

    So I guess it’s the waiting game. But, like you, I believe I will be found fit for work and the whole process starts all over again.

    Comment by TCM — May 2, 2012 @ 6:36 pm

  474. Hi TCM.

    If the newspapers keep printing stories like this enough then it will be all over for ATOS.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 2, 2012 @ 8:39 pm

  475. @dwpexamination

    Yeah, not sure what to say, just happy this huge issue is over for now, I can finally rest easy until Atos call me up to fail me again and the cycle repeats itself. This whole thing has caused untold stress but there is a light at the end of the tunnel, I have faith in this flawed system that I will eventually get what I deserve when it happens again.

    Anyways money was in my account today, bought myself a new laptop as mine was getting on a bit.

    Happy to have back what I deserve. As stated many months back, this is my first experience with appeals and things like that. Always was awarded my benefit based on my medical evidence alone before the Atos stuff came along.

    But to recap events a little

    Sept 2011(I think, forgot lol): Attended Atos Interview with parents.
    December 2011: Failed with 12 points
    Mid December: Sent off Appeal
    Jan – March – Letters acknowledging appeal.
    Today: Good news, awarded Support Group status

    Nothing about tribunals was ever sent to me before today, no requests to attend, nothing. This is why I’m so happy right now, things have worked out in the end. My dad sent off everything in Mid December in like a folder, properly presented, like a book lol. Can’t thank my parents enough.

    The ESA Support Group is £108 a week now. My backpayment was from Dec 24th to April 27th.

    Comment by Matthew — May 2, 2012 @ 9:17 pm

  476. Hello Mathew.

    So you bought a lap-top did you ? I need a new lap-top are you trying to make me jealous ? LOL.
    Ok you need to tell me, is it one of those slim ones I’ve been looking at ? but can’t afford ?.

    Remember Mathew these people will be back some day so be ready for them, and don’t forget either this Government want to stop anyone from appealing so they are bringing in a new law http://unemploymentmovement.com/forum/benefit/2434-changes-to-appeal-system-for-esa-as-of-april-2013 to stop people from getting any kind of sickness benefit if they have the cheek to appeal.
    I’m going to make a start today in getting rid of them by voting against their Councillor colleagues so that means just about anyone will get my vote today except the co-coalition or any other right wing party.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 3, 2012 @ 5:22 am

  477. Anyone who thinks this is a right wing/left wing thing is sadly mistaken

    Both main parties are funded by the same deep pockets albeit via different paths. So its more like a good cop/bad cop scripted back and forth than two opposing sides

    The right wing NEED the left wing to do the groud work for them, if labour hadnt wanted the NHS, gas, water and electric to be privatised they could have made sure none would have ever happened but instead they got all of them into such a state of disrepair that there was barely any objection when the tories came along and offered privatisation as the “only” solution

    Has labour ever undone ANY tory policy they claimed they wouldnt have done or even where they specifically said they WOULD reverse it if elected?

    nope they havent

    If labour got elected again, or even got a large majority they wouldn’t reverse anything, infact they would probably claim they couldn’t stop the processes and changes that are already underway or that are tabled to commense in the near future

    Voting labour doesn’t halt the process and certainly doesn’t reverse it which is plain to see during the last few decades as the two main parties are both singing to the same song sheet.

    the only worthwhile vote is to elect anybody EXCEPT the main parties and hope enough of those have ordinary every day peoples best interests at heart rather than the best interests of the financial elite

    Comment by ubermik — May 3, 2012 @ 10:18 am

  478. Hello Ubermik.

    Who says New labour were left wing ? not me I can assure you, because I agree with you that they are two cheeks of the same bum, in other words they are both right wing.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 3, 2012 @ 12:35 pm

  479. Got my report, and to be honest I expected as much from the contents, whole areas missed out which apply, stuff altered to make me seem more capable with a rec that I return to work within 3 months, this from a woman who knows nothing about Mental health issues, and is a damn Physio.

    Bugs me that this woman screwed me out of my benefits for so long.. But oh well justice won in the end, I got my money back, and support group status, the people who know about my condition at the appeal panel which they didnt request I attend viewed the evidence sent as enough to over rule the BS Atos report.

    Comment by Matthew — May 3, 2012 @ 6:38 pm

  480. Hello Mathew.

    The DWP are desperate to stop people from winning their appeals, that’s one reason why they delay the ESA 85 report, if you can’t see the report then it’s very difficult to see what you are appealing against, in your case justice won through, but a lot of people are going to find they are not so lucky..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 3, 2012 @ 7:14 pm

  481. @dwpexamination

    Yeah I suppose you’re right. Good thing was, is that I had so much evidence that supports my condition and contradicts stuff that the Atos person said. Unsure why she felt the need to mark things that applied as *None of the above apply* how annoying. How would she know? Reading the stuff said makes me sick but as you and everyone else has pointed out here, there and everywhere, Atos are fraudulantly failing people deliberately so I expected lies on the report and I got it. Thankfully It was luck and justice was on my side.

    No doubt before Christmas, You’l see me posting on here about how I need to attend an Atos interview. lol I’m thinking the re assessments are every 6-12 months right? God this sucks, they need to leave us disabled alone.

    What helped my case no doubt are the mental health reports done by various doctors, even a professor in the field. You’d think I was crazy reading some of the stuff said by PROPER doctors lol.

    Looking back, it seems like these almost fornightly meetings years back with various doctors actually were helpful after all. I hated it to be honest, I didn’t like being disabled, having it thrown in my face all the time, how I have this wrong with me, have that wrong with me, how to help me, how to do this and that, messes with your head a bit.

    Now I just accept whats wrong with me and try and live my life the best I can, Atos dont make it easy.

    Anyway good luck with your ESA stuff, when you appeal, and I assume you are? Send stuff off in a proper presentation folder, it’l look better and helped me out anyway lol

    Comment by Matthew — May 3, 2012 @ 7:30 pm

  482. Hello Mathew.

    Three times I have asked them for the ESA 85 and so far three times they have denied me, in a weeks time if it doesn’t arrive then another demand will go out, and then another and another and I will keep sending them until they comply with the law, bunch of chiseling crooks.
    Then I might just send all those letters to the tribunal along with my appeal, that will show the panel the hassle we have to put up with just to get these criminals away from their relaxed attitude to the law.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 3, 2012 @ 8:05 pm

  483. I have been told that if you are in the WRAG group and put an appeal in to go into the support group, and if you are left wit no money because your contribution based has stopped, if you go onto to claim JSA to work a few hours because of lack of money any appeal will be stopped, does anybody know if this is true?, i was told this today via the DWP,
    Another brown letter day today, as a brown envelope came through the door for the second time, to rub it in, to state that my contribution based esa had stooped on 3oth April, as well as a P60 from work with 0 earned, as i have been off sick for a year.
    I am seriously thinking that i should pay my own national insurance stamp at £2,a week, i would get my husband to pay it for me, as he soon will be penniless, as he has now got to support me as well.
    Would this get them off my back, because they will be paying me nothing not even my stamp, so surely i wont be obligated to go on a work related interview on the 8th April.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — May 4, 2012 @ 7:19 pm

  484. A bad week i don’t know if work will have me back, because i have been off for a year my line manager has told me that she will have to arrange a meeting with myself and HR to see if they will have me back, no unison rep in site,i have been chasing them now for three days, ANOTHER INCOMPETENT OUTFIT WHO TAKE YOUR SUBSCRIPTIONS AND DO NOTHING ANOTHER FIRST LEVEL COMPLAINT ON ITS WAY.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — May 4, 2012 @ 7:24 pm

  485. @dwpexamination

    It’s a dodgy system, Atos are literally sponsered by the Goverment to commit fraud by lying on peoples reports. You won’t see one newspaper pointing out this fact, nor will you see newspapers mentioning in the same light how much these appeals are costing the taxpayer because of Atos.

    Although these reports are mostly false in most cases, its amazing how they can present them as some kind of proper report, I mean seriously, in my case a Physio lied and failed me, what would she know about mental health issues? Her opinion is as valid as someones off the street if they were recruited to assess people. I.e Worth nothing in reality but everything to the DWP trying to kick everyone off the benefit.

    Anyway today I recieved 2 letters from the DWP which could of just been put into one in all honesty, basically breaking down how much I’ve been paid so far and that the benefit may be taxable but not mentioning how much tax would be applied.

    Good luck with your appeal, absolutely push for Support Group status if you qualify, I don’t know whats wrong with you so I don’t know, you don’t need to tell me, you’ve been awesome to everyone including me, but yeah push for Support Group if you can. At least you won’t be kicked off the benefit after a year lol

    Comment by Matthew — May 4, 2012 @ 7:25 pm

  486. Hello Alison.

    If you sign on your appeal will stop ? not as far as I know, but I would get that checked with the CAB Alison, this Contributory nonsense has just started and you are going to appeal to get in to the support group where people are in a real bad way, most of us are appealing to just get ESA WRAG and so are allowed to sign on while waiting for the appeal to be heard, they might be reasoning that you can’t possibly work if you are appealing for the support group. Let me know because I would also like to know the answer.

    If you paid your own stamp then you wouldn’t have to do anything they say, but this appealing to get in to the support group keeps throwing a spanner in to the works, it’s as if your still beholden to them, and another question for the CAB, can I ignore the DWP if I pay my own stamp while I wait for an appeal to be heard.

    And your right about union reps, they take your money alright but when you need them they’re not around, not all but quite a lot of them..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 4, 2012 @ 9:37 pm

  487. Mathew…They could train a chimpanzee to type out these assessments, in fact if you put an untrained chimpanzee on to banging away at a typewriter for say a million years then sooner or later (Probably sooner) the chimp would produce a perfectly acceptable looking ATOS assessment report.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 4, 2012 @ 9:42 pm

  488. @Dwpexamination

    I agree, wish I could be more helpful regarding how I got into the Support Group, all we did was appeal with the relivant information and they decided to place me here.

    If I ever get a list of reasons why they decided to place me here I’ll be sure to post. I know its the right group for me anyways. Hope you get in too :)

    Comment by Matthew — May 5, 2012 @ 6:36 pm

  489. All information on how to deal with ATOS/DWP will be welcome Mathew…Thanks.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 5, 2012 @ 7:18 pm

  490. Any idea where I would find an advocate in the Newcastle/Gateshead area to go to a medical with my son?

    Comment by Anonymous — May 7, 2012 @ 8:17 pm

  491. Hello Anonymous.

    I think you will find it almost impossible to find an advocate to attend with your son, the reason is the various advocates like the CAB and welfare rights are choc a block at the moment trying to cope with appeals.
    Here is a link to welfare rights in Newcastle http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/benefits-and-council-tax/welfare-rights-and-money-advice/newcastle-welfare-rights-contact-us?opendocument= you can phone them and ask for help and advice on what to do next, here is the phone number they supply 0191 277 2633.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 7, 2012 @ 8:37 pm

  492. hi there, ive had my esa medical assessment and am now waiting for results. im just wondering if anyone else has had a phonecall from jobcentre plus asking me if i would beable to take a phone call next week by the dicision maker about my claim? just wondering if its to give me the results or ask further questions by the decision maker?

    Comment by Anonymous — May 8, 2012 @ 2:13 pm

  493. @post 492 anonymous theres a good chance that although the government has stopped using the lie detector software ATOS themselves are using it so the purpose of the call could depend on whether its actually the DWP calling you or an ATOS assessor

    Comment by ubermik — May 8, 2012 @ 2:48 pm

  494. Hello Anonymous.

    I’ve had a similar call from a decision maker, she tried to persuade me that the final decision has really been made (Even before the reconsideration stage) and implied there was no point in carrying on with the appeal, I replied that I didn’t agree with the decision maker and would like my appeal when you receive it forwarded to the first tier tribunal, but before I compose the appeal, would you please send me on the ESA 85 so that I know what I am appealing against ?.
    She said ok (I’m sure I heard her say under her breath, well if that’s the way you want to play it LOL) the phone went down and the very next day the ESA 85 arrived in the post.
    So then they have been instructed to phone people and try and imply their appeal is a waste of time, this is obviously to save only them time and money. As soon as you say anything that suggests you are not too sure what to do then that will be considered as wanting to withdraw, this is why you must be firm and polite, it will almost certainly be recorded, so insist that you definitely wish to carry on with that appeal, do not hesitate even for one second.
    As for the voice/lie recognition ? well they are supposed to have withdrawn it, stating the reason that it’s unreliable, but as ubermik says they could still be using it, considering what we know about the DWP it shouldn’t surprise us if they do use it secretly.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 8, 2012 @ 3:43 pm

  495. As I understand it the government said “they” wouldnt be continuing to use the software even though the results they claimed are very different to those achieved by insurance companies and other private sector businesses

    But ATOS arent the government, so similar to the US government getting private security firms to do their renditions, sanctioned kidnappings and even some of their interrogations so they (the government) could claim they didnt do them anymore

    So the government is only giving ATOS a task to complete, and dont meticulously define or micromanage how they achieve the task so it gives them a level of deniability if that makes sense

    It would also explain why this process seems so intent on telephone based communication with people as never ever before seen in any benefit based processes until this particular witch hunt began which I am sure others must also have thought seemed odd

    Comment by ubermik — May 8, 2012 @ 4:57 pm

  496. hi, its very strange that after my assessment and not even knowing what result they have come to that i take another phonecall to further talk about this with a decision maker. i will appeal if needed as i had to basically lie down for 4 days and not physically do alot to my body just so i could make the journey to have my medical. in the assessment i found it quiet weird to say the least. i was never asked some of the questions which i had answered in my questionaire. im not putting my hopes up at all as i feel they want everyone on jsa or assessment rate so they dont have to pay you any rebait for the first 13 weeks. you can times that by everyone on a higher benefit that will have to appeal and the government have already made millions. ill up you guys after i have the phone call just so other people can see what to expect. thanks alot for the help guyz!

    Comment by Anonymous — May 8, 2012 @ 11:38 pm

  497. Hello Anonymous.

    They do know what the result is, the result was decided when you left the ATOS building, and the DWP received a copy of the decision and the ESA by computer that very day. Why did you think they want to phone you to discuss it ? when did the DWP ever phone anyone up and congratulate them on failing their assessment, and we are pleased to tell you that you will be receiving benefits courtesy of Iain Duncan Smith, I don’t think so.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 9, 2012 @ 5:32 am

  498. @Anonymous

    If you are transfering from Incapacity benefit, and fail and move onto the assessment rate for x amount of time, you’l be backdated to the date you first started recieveing ESA assessment rate. I think the 13 week thing is for new claims only? At least in my case I was backdated to the date I started recieving ESA Assessment rate.


    Hey, how are you today? Just curious with your comment above stating the result is already decided before you leave, in my case why do you think they waited like 2 months if not longer to inform me I had failed in the past? Backlog? Seemed kinda dodgy as they left it till like 2 weeks before christmas, parents had to rush and get everything ready and sent within a few days, which worked as my appeal was successfully recieved in time and I began the assessment rate 2 weeks after my final ‘normal’ rate incapacity payment.

    Comment by Matthew — May 9, 2012 @ 6:46 pm

  499. Hello Mathew.

    When the DWP decision maker looks at her/his computer in the morning they don’t just see a few assessments from ATOS on there, they see row after row after row after row.

    They have to start somewhere, you could be at the end of the pile, and sooner or later they quickly see you have a good case, so the good cases get sent back to some other time then they move on to the next one, you know just like reading a newspaper, where you skip the dross and move to the interesting parts until your finished then you move back to the dross.

    The dross as far as they are concerned is the folks that they cannot pin anything on, in other words they are so ill and it’s obvious that they are ill because the evidence is so overwhelming that winning an appeal will be no problem, so there is no point in dealing with their cases immediately, don’t forget they are on a mission to carry out gods good work, and remember time means nothing to them, if a year went by and you still hadn’t received any money or got any kind of decision then do they care ? you can safely bet…not one iota.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 9, 2012 @ 7:17 pm

  500. hi again, i went into the assessment with enough evidence to prove that the problems im having are still under hospital pain clinic over 7 years. i want to still beleive that it will end and ill be pain free. ive had nerve blocks, an operation all unsuccessful basically because of the time i had to wait for the operation (around 18 months). if i had of gone under the knife in the first 6 months the operation would have a better percentage rate being cured but waiting lists stopped this. now im not operable becasue another operation will only make the matter worse (which the operation did). all being well ill pass but this phonecall i have to take has made me feel that all the proof (all letters of operation and nerve blocks, mri scans ive had before and after) still wont be good enough. id love to have a happy life and not have to rely on benefits. i was self employed and doing well for myself before my injury. im not happy now, dont leave the house because im scared that if i do i wont beable to make it back home and an amblance being called . im really scared about this bs, waiting for a yes or no. the system has made me this way and feel seriously depressed and not myself anymore. i dont sleep at all i only think about this constantly and its making the people that love me angry because i wont listen to them. im a 35 year old man crying right now and feel there will never be any end to this.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 10, 2012 @ 1:24 am

  501. Hello Anonymous.

    If your evidence is overwhelming sometimes they concede, it doesn’t happen often but it does happen, let’s hope you have given them enough to convince them, if not well you will appeal with our help, you will also get money and rent rebate etc while you wait for the appeal to be heard, so there is some light at the end of the tunnel.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 10, 2012 @ 3:27 am

  502. you have to keep fighting

    Comment by kazbo — May 10, 2012 @ 8:36 am

  503. labour will be in soon

    Comment by kazbo — May 10, 2012 @ 8:37 am

  504. and we can all get in the support group and live a more luxurious lifestyle why shoud we have to work bye the way do you know in ireland you get a slighty hire rate might be worth moving over there

    Comment by kazbo — May 10, 2012 @ 8:41 am

  505. For more off the same..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 10, 2012 @ 9:12 am

  506. Kazbo…I hope your post is a poor attempt at facetiousness, because I don’t know a single person or have heard of a single person who lives a more luxurious lifestyle in the support group.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 10, 2012 @ 9:16 am

  507. Hi all
    I’m trying to do my appeal as I got a 0 points score from Atos, they just forgot to give me the miraculous cure on my way out, but they say I’m fit for work. I am so scared I’ll do the form wrong. I have verbally told them I want to appeal but am not certain what to do now. They have stopped my ESA and other benefits so I won’t be able to pay my rent, I have a private landlord who won’t be very happy. I need them to reinstate my benefit at assessment level which is all I’ve ever had, if poss asap so I can get my housing money, yes, I know you’ll think I’m deluded even imagining such a thing could happen. The man who spoke to me told me I’d declared myself unfit for work. But I’m signed off by my GP till the middle of next month. This person also said I sould go sign on for Jobseekers but I cant because of the sick note. I asked for a copy of the Atos report not yet recieved it a week gone already. I got a copy of GL24 thing off the net. Any advice would be really appreciated. I’m going to CAB tomorrow for a drop in appointment to try to get some help. My pain levels have gone through the roof since all this started and the temptation is to give up, which is of course what they want. This whole thing feels like some kind of warped ethnic cleansing, like I’m being softened up for a one way ticket trip on a train with no buffet car and will arrive at a big place where smoke rises constantly and no birds sing.

    Comment by churchmouseinit — May 10, 2012 @ 2:32 pm

  508. Oh apologies I I sent the last message to the wrong section.

    Comment by churchmouseinit — May 10, 2012 @ 2:33 pm

  509. Hello churchmouseinit.

    At the CAB they will help you compose the appeal, at the same time you need to send the DWP a sicknote, they will pay you nothing until they get the appeal GL24 and the sicknote, also ask for your payments to be linked, in other words you have complied with their demands and have sent on the necessary GL24 and sicknote so there is no reason for them to break your payments.
    Go to the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org if you have any difficulties and they will help you as best as they can.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 10, 2012 @ 4:09 pm

  510. hi again, well i have had my results and even with all the evidence and the pain i am in constantly they have given me 0 points. i actually laughed when the women from jobcentre plus told me i scored zero because from reading on this site i knew what to expect. so i thank you for warning me. i have asked for the assessment report and the appeal form, have made an appointment with my gp in 2 weeks time for 3 month sick note. now its just the waiting game till i have the report and then making my way to c.a.b. im just wondering if there is anything else you advise me to do also?? thank you for being so helpful at least now i know where i stand and am ready for the fight!

    Comment by Anonymous — May 14, 2012 @ 11:03 am

  511. Hello Anonymous.

    They may try and send you am ESA 65 instead of an ESA 85, they are different, an ESA 65 is a condensed version of the ESA 85 and is basically a letter explaining why the HCP said you can’t have any points.
    Don’t fall for that, compose your appeal as normal and sent the sicknote that way you will get paid, but at the same time make sure you get it across to them that you want to know what you are appealing against and for that you need the ESA 85 assessment report which you will study in great detail and then compose the rest of your appeal etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 14, 2012 @ 2:00 pm

  512. thanks i see what they send me and know exactly what to do! again thanks alot for the help you are giving me and all the other people in the same boat. ive heard it will get worse with this new personal independence payment (pip) coming out next year.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 14, 2012 @ 9:46 pm

  513. Hi Anonymous.

    We just want people to have a fair crack at the whip, the odds are stacked in the DWPs favour, they have everything we have nothing, but this Blog and forums like our sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org are made up of people who have been through the system and have experienced the ruthlessness and cruelty of the DWP and their sidekicks at ATOS.
    One of the things that personally annoys me the most is that the majority of the DWP workers are working class people, and they sit their mindlessly taking orders from middle class and upper class twats, they know it’s all wrong but still they do nothing, just cowards as far as I’m concerned, gutless bastards that haven’t got the courage to do anything, they will get no succour from us, for the last three years they have been merciless and one day there will be a reckoning, and a settling of old scores.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 15, 2012 @ 6:30 am

  514. @Dwpexamination

    Thanks for explaining, that makes sense


    £216 a fortnight is hardly a luxurious lifestyle, this is what the Support Group pays. I would like to see someone who can live in comfort on £432 a month. Given the fact the cost of living has gone up in this country.

    Comment by Matthew — May 15, 2012 @ 6:58 pm

  515. hi again, ive had the esa 85 posted to me next day. i dont know where to start tbh. the things i told the nurse who assessed me has said that i function normally in every examination they did on me. pack of lies!!!! i say no i couldnt and they have written that i can, what a joke!!!!! im gonna fight this with everything i can give because this just isnt the way ill people are supposed to be treated!!!!

    Comment by Anonymous — May 15, 2012 @ 10:56 pm

  516. Hello Anonymous.

    They always do that, if you had no legs they would say that your legs were normal, it’s unbelievable what they get away with, of course as they say ”It’s an ill wind that doesn’t blow some good” and the good is, people don’t believe ATOS anymore, they have no integrity left, that’s if they ever had any integrity.
    So when you attend the appeal tribunal at least you don’t have to convince the panel that ATOS are liars, they already know they are liars, so this gets you a head start at the appeal hearing.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 16, 2012 @ 5:31 am

  517. hi again, yeah this assessment has really opened my eyes about this government. got no respect for the ill. its terrible how i feel right now. im wondering whats the best play in your eyes with this appeal without having anyone being with me in the assessment as proof of the lies. i have medical evidence about the pain im in but no evidence as its my word against theirs? i cant see a CAB till monday and will only have 3 weeks to complete my appeal.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 17, 2012 @ 12:28 am

  518. Hello Anonymous.

    You have plenty of time, wait until Monday and see the CAB, they will show you the best way forward, meanwhile make an appointment to see the GP and get a sickline, take the sickline plus your GL24 appeal form and your medical evidence to the CAB and they will help compose the appeal, you can ask for the assessment rate on the appeal as well and send the lot of in one envelope, this will make sure you get paid as soon as possible, because the DWP can’t pay you until they get the appeal and the sickline.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 17, 2012 @ 5:50 am

  519. Hi i have just received letter from DWP this morning after being send for medical as i have been on incapacity benefit for the last three years and been told according to them i am fit to work and my benefit will stop on 28th May. How do i go about making an appeal. i have never been on any kind of benefit until i had an accident four years ago. My mobility is not good and have to use a walking stick, i dont manage stairs and i am unable to walk for a great distance, even sitting is painfull and have to reposition myself constantly. Even to do simple tasks like getting my own shopping is out of the question or even putting my clothes on without sitting down. The list is endless, cant even cook myself a meal unless it’s a snack. I also got a score of 0 and some the questions supposedly asked of me werent. I feel like the person who conducted my interview wasn’t even listening to me and had made up her mind before i got through the door my benefit was stopping. According to the letter i can use my right hand therefore if i had to use a wheelchair i could wheel myself about (cant beleive they even put that in the letter). Any advice would be helpfull. I live on my own and have no near family and don’t know how i will pay my rent or bills

    Comment by chris — May 17, 2012 @ 6:53 pm

  520. It might be worth asking what the Job occupation the Atos assessor has that did your assessment, like if they were a Nurse, or a Physio or anything like that. You’l find that they aren’t qualified to really do these tests for your condition as with my case, and pointing this out in your appeal form will no doubt help.

    Anyway, in other news Soldiers that have lost limbs are being left alone by the Goverment according to the newspaper, shame about the rest of us hey? Makes me sick when I read the Sun and their anti disabled bs about people being scroungers who are found ‘fit for work’.

    Given how shocking their journalism is, many of us were failed by Atos but got our benefits back and Support Group status. So screw you Sun newspaper I’m not a scrounger, nor is anyone this goverment is victimising.

    Sun loves to say the word Scandal a lot, what’s truely a scandal is the blantant lies being spouted by this Goverment and their very own newspaper. I’m just shocked they don’t just rename The Sun.. The Tory Times. It suits them better. Or simply the Tory Newspaper. Simple but affective and describes the lies they print. When they aren’t hacking phones, they’re painting us disabled out to be evil scroungers.

    Comment by Matthew — May 17, 2012 @ 8:02 pm

  521. Hello Chris.

    The person who did your interview had made their mind up before you got in the door, the idea is to force you to appeal.
    So the first thing you do is send the DWP a letter and indicate your intention to appeal and could you have a GL24 form and the HCPs ESA 85 assessment report, it’s best to get the report to see what your appealing against.
    If you want to start the appeal as quickly as possible then you can get a GL24 appeal form at any Job centre plus, just walk in and ask for one.
    Next thing is to make an appointment to see your GP and get a sickline, you will need the sickline in order to get paid the assessment rate (You must ask the DWP for the assessment rate) with the assessment rate you get the usual rent and council tax rebate.
    Next thing to do is contact your local CAB office for some help, or the welfare rights, you can log in to the forum here http://www.dwpexamination.org and they will help you to word your appeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 17, 2012 @ 8:49 pm

  522. Don’t forget the Daily mail and the Express another shower of evil b’stards..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 17, 2012 @ 8:52 pm

  523. Hi again Mathew and dwpexamination, thanks for reply and information. Is very much appreciated. I Have made an appointedment for doc and cab beginning of next week. Think it;s shocking how this goverment is treating soldiers and other disabled people. Dont think they have any conscience but they can obviously sleep and night and not worry how their going to survive. talk about kicking you when your down.

    Comment by chris — May 17, 2012 @ 11:07 pm

  524. Had quite a funny letter today from the Job Centre Plus.

    Summed up as.

    Because of the result of my assessment I am in the Support Group I will not be required to attend Work Focused interviews. At the Work Focused interviews they want to help you into work, and although I don’t have to attend these, if I wish too I have to contact them by May 30th.

    It also goes on to say, if by the result of the next assessment I am moved out of the Support Group(Entirely likely as Atos don’t handle mental health cases well and lie through their teeth) they’l be intouch.

    The last part is what got me. They know full damn well Atos will fail me again and I’ll have to appeal, just felt insulting reading that.


    Comment by Matthew — May 18, 2012 @ 7:25 pm

  525. @chris

    Hate to state the obvious but the Goverment is only doing this because we disabled are easy targets, and society is too easily fooled by their lies.

    However the friends and families of disabled people won’t buy the rubbish they’re spouting and this will bite them in the arse next election. Fully expecting Labour to regain their seat in goverment, although they’re not much better, they don’t have Grayling/IDS working for them, 2 evil little men who dream up ways to demonise us disabled via their properganda newspapers.

    All I can really say is, keep fighting, don’t give up. No matter how badly you’re treated.

    Comment by Matthew — May 18, 2012 @ 7:28 pm

  526. Chris I hate to say this but I think you are wrong.

    The reason why genuine cases today are being treated like dirt is because of all the people who have been abusing the system over the last three generations.

    You only have to park opposite any disabled parking bays in any part of the country and you can openly observe people who have disabled badges park up and run in to a shop and back out again or listen to almost any neighbour or friend as we all seem to live near to or know someone who has been abusing the system.

    Comment by Kev — May 19, 2012 @ 5:25 am

  527. On another note I have this to report.

    I reported this week that I had seemingly won a two year battle with the DWP having been sent a letter telling me they had reversed their decision.

    Well it really does look as though the DWP do not know what they are doing.

    I called the DWP to go over some contradictions in the letter and they informed me that they have no record of this letter being sent to me or my advisor and was told I would get a call back. Several hours later I rang them back to find out that according to their systems I had been awarded a higher care component.

    I later this week received a letter asking me how long I had been in hospital, how long had I been out of the country (are they kidding on the money you get from incapacity benefit?) and my bank details.

    I have now had another letter telling me of the third court date for my appeal.

    Do they have any clue what they are doing?

    Comment by Kev — May 19, 2012 @ 5:34 am

  528. Kev

    I totaly agree with you. I see it everyday people abusing the system and makes me so mad to see them getting away with it.

    I do realise it’s because of the scammers genuine people are victamised.

    I have worked all my adult life nursing other people until now.

    Believe me if i could go back to my job i would but somehow i cant see any hospital employing me with dissability.

    From what i can see round about me there are a few never worked a day in there life and play the system and are getting away with it but i guess they know the system inside out and know how to do so but thats just my opinion.

    it’s well past the time these people were weedled out and genuine people were given the respect they deserve and not made to feel like a second class citizen.

    I Wish you all the best with your new court date.

    Comment by chris — May 19, 2012 @ 6:21 am

  529. Mathew

    It’s very ovbious we are an easy target.

    Think i’m still reeling from my letter telling me about their decision on me but i will fight them every way i can.

    I only came across this sight by accident because i was so frustated and did not know where to turn.

    It’s a small comfort to know i’m not the only one being victamised and there are lots of people in same situation as us.

    Thanks for your words of encouragement. Things can only get better i hope and hopefully they will for you as well.

    Comment by chris — May 19, 2012 @ 6:49 am

  530. @kev

    I disagree, we disabled are being treated like dirt because all this goverment is doing is cutting costs without caring the effect it will have on genuine cases, the fact they’ve announced they’re kicking off 500,000 people off DLA with their new PIP before the tests have began says it all.

    Although benefit fraud is common in this country for all kinds of benefits, its not as high as what this goverment is saying, the cheats make up a very small fraction, probably less than 2 percent of cases.

    The Goverment allows ATOS to routinely lie, and kick people off Incapacity Benefit/ESA fradulantly, with the costs of these appeals costing them 50+ million a year ontop of the 100 million they pay to ATOS, why do you think ATOS still do these tests, seriously?

    The fact is, due to this open door policy with immigration, we have hundreds of thosands coming into this country, taking jobs and bleeding the benefits system dry, this is why the welfare bill has shot up over the past few years, the Goverment has seen this and has chosen the benefits that they will least likely face backlash from. They don’t care. Simple as.

    As said above this is just a cost cutting measure, with no thought being put into the effect it will have on us disabled, they don’t care, it’s about the bottom line to them. This is why the Goverment needs to go next general election. I will be voting Labour, the lesser of two evils. We disabled can’t have the Torys in for another 4 years with Grayling at the helm, he will eventually abolish disability benefits altogether.

    Comment by Matthew — May 19, 2012 @ 6:59 pm

  531. @chris

    Hang in there buddy, lots of people in the same situation. Although the realisation has kicked in long ago that I will have to face these BS tests for the rest of my life, not allowing this fact to get to me helps. When they eventually call me back in to Atos to fail me again, we’re ready to appeal. Hoping I get at least a year in the Support Group before they harrass me again, probably won’t though =/

    If you have a ton of evidence, and people to fight your case, request support group status. Don’t settle for work related activity group.

    Comment by Matthew — May 19, 2012 @ 7:05 pm

  532. Mathew

    I have appointment with both doc and cab on tuesday and hopefully i will be able to send everything to DWP in the next couple of days.
    Gathering all the evidence i can get.

    I will take your advice and request support group status.

    Oh and by the way i think you maybe think i am a man, i’m female not that that makes any difference to my case.

    Hope all goes well for you and thanks again for your support and encouragement.

    Comment by chris — May 20, 2012 @ 6:31 am


    Comment by tony — May 23, 2012 @ 10:52 am

  534. chris, it dont matter what medical evidence u provide, atos dont use it and when they send it to the decsision maker he wont understant the jargon cause they have no medical experience

    Comment by tony — May 23, 2012 @ 10:54 am

  535. They hope you don’t get the backdate Tony and that would give them the excuse to dock you for a week.
    What they like ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 23, 2012 @ 11:23 am

  536. I would like to take a look at the blacktrianglecampaign website but never manage to log in to it. Is there a problem connecting to the website at the moment?

    Comment by Casimira — May 26, 2012 @ 6:53 am

  537. Ian Duncan Smith claims to be a Christian and goes to the Catholic church where my relatives go. Jesus would never have turned away a sick person. Ian Duncan Smith is nothing but a HYPOCRITE, How he can claim to be virtuous is beyond me!!!!!

    Comment by Casimira — May 26, 2012 @ 10:10 am

  538. Hello Casimira.

    Go to http://www.dwpexamination.org and think up a username and log in, they are not black triangle but are connected at least in spirit.

    And your right about the six months, it takes longer to have your appeal heard so that condition is easily met, of course if your appeal is heard say withing four months of being informed by the DWP that you are fit for work then that two months to make up can cause serious cash flow problems, so there is another incentive for us all to appeal and keep appealing.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 26, 2012 @ 10:16 am

  539. Yes thank you it is very difficult for those have no savings. I feel really sorry when I read some very very sad stories on here where some people do not even have family in the back ground they can turn to in emergencies. It makes me very very sad.

    Comment by Casimira — May 26, 2012 @ 10:32 am

  540. hi i had a my medical in november 2011 and 1 jan 2012 my benefit was due to stop.Panicked and tried to sign on for jobseekers.Was told by jobcentre to appeal as i was unfit for work and the manger wouldn,t even interview me as it was a waste of her time.I did this and the decision was overturned 4th April.Three weeks later i then received the EI50 form to fill in again.I have just received a letter for yet another examination at the same place where i presume the same decision will be reached as last time and i will have to go through the same process all over again.The previous process was stressful enough and to have to go through it all again makes you wonder if life is worth actually living.Or perhaps that would suit them.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 18, 2012 @ 8:26 am

  541. I am finding it totally impossible to access the website dwpexaminations.org and the blacktrianglel website. Has ATOS managed to close them down?

    Comment by Casimira — June 25, 2012 @ 8:30 am

  542. Hi Casimira.

    Nope, the sites haven’t been closed down, but I can tell you that there was some kind of problem with the Icelandic based server yesterday, nothing serious, just some people were having difficulty connecting, maintenance ? who knows.
    http://www.dwpexamination.org I’ve just tried it and it seems to be ok.
    Any serious problems like attempted close downs will be reported immediately on this blog.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 25, 2012 @ 9:06 am

  543. Hi thank you dwpexamination, maybe google chrome can not connect then or else something to do with cookies not sure but never can get on. I will try on internet explorer instead and see if I have any joy. Cheers Casimira

    Comment by Casimira — June 25, 2012 @ 10:39 am

  544. Hello,

    Well I had the “fortunate” experience of my “medical” for ESA recently at the Sunderland ATOS office in the Bridges. I call it “fortunate” because it was so unbelievable, such a farce and a comedy show it actually gave me the best laugh Id had in ages! And there was little “medical” in it!

    And yea, that was the first thing to put me at ease, seeing the cams watching me as I limped in with my dad into the disability non-compliant building!. Good job Im no longer using a wheelchair as it might have been a struggle getting in and out of that lift!

    When I got up to reception, noting the heavy door on the way, I was asked if I had some ID…. did I? Oooh cant remember… I think so… now where did I put it, Im so disorganised. Oh now, could I fill in my details on this sheet…… oh look I know my own name, date of birth and address and can write them. Wow!! Thats it, I can work!

    Ooops! Nobody asked me about travel expenses. And Im so forgetful, I forgot to ask!
    Great, I can cope with disappointment – get working!

    I was told, that the doctor was running late… it could be about 30-40 minutes or it could be more. How do I feel about that? Oh well Im not too happy about it to be honest, but Id rather get it over with, its bad for me nerves coming to things like this….. Oh look look, heres one that can cope with change! She’s out! Glee! *lol*

    Niiiiiiice waiting area…….. remember that song “Welcome to the cheap seats” (The Wonderstuff) ? I nearly started singing it. After only 5 minutes sitting on one of those chairs I felt like I had fire in my bottom, lower back and spine. “Oh in another world yea I could wear a dress”…. “but I cant because I have to wear ugly compression stockings…. ” ….”welcome to the cheap seats….” going round and round the cheap seats…. I had to keep getting up and taking short walks about every 10 minutes. I was in AGONY!

    Whilst waiting other claimants came in, some with mental health issues who had quite serious problems with a long wait…. and had already had appointments changed due to delays the last time. The f’n and blinding… wanting conversations with me in swear language…. f’n and blinding….. The waiting area is far too small to have lots of irritated angry people sitting there squashed together like that. I felt very uncomfortable and not what I wanted when I have my own problems. There was little to look at and little to do, and little space. No the wonder people lose it in there with the staff. While I was waiting certain staff behind reception kept staring over. Or was I just being paranoid??

    Somebody went to get a drink out of the water machine, apparently mineral water, but the water was brown :o(. Probably on purpose to see if we had it in us to complain…..

    In the end the wait was over 1 and 1/4 hours. And already a queue was building up behind me.

    I am a “doctor only case”. Thankfully did not get any of the nasty treatment others I know have had in there. Perhaps it was because of my own professional background, and they were watching themselves, I dont know. Anyway – the first part of the “meeting” was as it should be – asking me about the conditions I have, symptomology, where Im at with hospital appointments and treatment etc etc. Fair enough.

    However, then it moved onto the Stupid Questions Comedy Show. Also known as “Farce-ter mind”. “Oh now I have to ask you these questions, we have to ask them of everyone. You may think some of them are not relevant to you, but we have to ask everyone….. ” No, everything is relevant! Trick statement!

    Do I know my name? Where I live? My date of birth? What…… This is a meeting, not an attendance at a serious road traffic accident. Last time I checked I was still alive and in touch with myself!
    *doctor notes facial expression of astonishment*

    Then finds 3 items to put on the desk… “oh this is thingy x, thingy y, thingy z. Can you tell me what they are?” Huh????????
    ” Im going to take them away now. Can you remember what they were? ”
    Oh now, what does that remind me of …. anyone remember Playaway? or was it a game on Rainbow. I resisted the temptation to do a George impression….. eeewww… *lol*…..

    And the stupid questions continued, the ones I had expected like about having a mobile phone, do I watch tv, do I have any hobbies……. zzZZZzzzZZZ … oooh smile smile I can answer questions….. I can work!!

    And no doubt I will be penalised, because I got referred to the Exercise Referral Programme, as I have fibromyalgia, and the only real way to help your symptoms, is by doing exercise, albeit painfully! Oh how often do I go? I just said, Ive only just had my referral through. Great, Im fit for work then….. The doctors smile was getting further across his face…. kind of reminded me of Zippy….

    And then the physical stuff! Teeheehee….. I nearly bit through my lip trying not to laugh. Can I put my arms out… and turn my hands over…. can I turn my head….. whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat…… Im not paralysed! oh can I stand up….. can I pick up something off the floor….. actually not really without difficulty but no doubt that will just be ignored……

    Oh and I must “check your lungs”….. yes Im breathing….. without tubes….. Im alive…… Get a job!

    And the Farce-ter-mind part of the assessment had no focus on mental health issues like depression and anxiety.

    I really wanted to hop, skip and jump out of there like Morecombe and Wise did at the end of their comedy shows. Being an ATOS HCP certainly isnt a Mastermind job is it?

    Oh. And backlog of about 10 fed up claimants sitting on the cheap seats when I came out at nearly-home-time……..

    Comment by Shmooo — June 27, 2012 @ 10:52 am

  545. keep fighting

    Comment by Anonymous — June 27, 2012 @ 11:11 am

  546. i called at my local dwp requesting info relating to claiming more help with my bro its the ware and tear on my car, i had to listen to a diatribe of how i should be grateful that he gets all this help from taxpayers like her how she has to travel on public transport and pay rent and i should stop scrounging its not my fault my bro is not well i have complained im really upset

    Comment by Anonymous — June 27, 2012 @ 11:19 am

  547. Sounds as if she doesn’t earn enough money and that’s annoying her, well according to the DWP there’s lots of jobs out there perhaps she should relocate to another job that pays a decent wage.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 27, 2012 @ 1:02 pm

  548. Yes that sounds very much like an ATOS assessment, it’s unbelievable, but even more unbelievable is when you see your ESA 85 assessment report.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 27, 2012 @ 1:05 pm

  549. i was told today that its bout time david c attacked the sickness benefits as they lay on there backs all day,i asked them had they not heard of atos who are forcing people to take there own lives,and they actually found someone fit for work who was already dead.maybe they will attack the dead next as they lay on there backs all day and get people to tidy there pitchec for nothing.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 27, 2012 @ 9:41 pm

  550. They probably didn’t believe you, after all it has never said anything like that in the Daily mail so it can’t be true.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 28, 2012 @ 4:57 am

  551. June 13, 2012 | Peter Bradwell
    Update on reported BT block of Black Triangle campaign website
    Earlier this week TechWeekly reported the campaign group Black Triangle had complained that their site was being blocked by BT. From the TechWeekly piece:

    “…for almost six months now the website has been blocked by BT alongside extreme pornography and political extremism.

    The only way for BT customers to access the website is through TOR or proxy servers. The group claims this has been extremely damaging to its campaigning and fundraising efforts.”

    We asked BT about this and having looked into it, they have told us they can’t find any evidence of a block or issue. Here’s their statement:

    “BT has never placed any block on this site.

    In fact, when the issue was raised we found it difficult to find any BT customer that could not access it.

    After significant discussion with the Black Triangle Campaign’s representative and extensive technical analysis we have as yet been unable to find any technical issue on the BT network preventing access to this site.

    We have asked Black Triangle for permission to speak its site hosts in Iceland to establish the cause of this issue.”

    Comment by Casimira — June 29, 2012 @ 1:09 pm

  552. Hi dwpexamination please let me apologise for leaving so many comments on this website but I have now registered with MIND to campaign against this appauling treatment of people with Mental Health issues and of course all disabilities but as my experience is with mental health and the totally inadequate assessments regarding mental health i can only comment in this area. I have just rung bt to ask them why blacktriangle.org has been banned from their server and a helpful Asian bt rep informed me that the government has banned bt from allowing blacktriangle.org to be viewed through bt servers because of some of its contents no doubt I would imagine references to describing the government and atos as gestapos and nazi attitude. I find this incredible in our society that disabled people can not air their distress as they truly see it. I personally was so freaked out about not having enough money to live on and felt so stressed about having to go to jobcentre plus because I could mentally not cope with a job interview and was so worried about losing control in a job situation that has happened on so many occasions in the past whereby the last loss of control and panic attacks were so severe that I can mentally never cope with that again that I literally felt like I was being sent to a concentration camp. I apologise to the government if that sounds so extreme and puts this government and ATOS in a very bad light but that is how distressed I felt and I thought at the time I would not have enough money to feed myself because there was no way I was fit enough to sign on with jobcentre plus. it is sad that this country is no longer a democracy and that the disabled are being made to keep quiet because some of what they are saying sounds so ridiculous and extreme but sadly we are as human as any one else and we need to be treated with dignity and respect and it is sad that this so often at present is not happening so I urge others to register with MIND and campaign politely but firmly and tell your story so that the government will listen. I have been fortunate in having a Tory MP who has given lots of advise towards my tribunal and has been very attentive but I can not speak for other peoples experiences but I would suggest you do go to your MPs so that they are aware that we are genuine people and not scroungers as the newspapers like to portray us. Good luck everyone. My job as a campaigner carries on until we have a fairer system that assesses people fairly. MIND BELIEVE THAT THE WELFARE SYSTEM SHOULD SUPPORT EVERyONE-WITH DIGNITY- WHO IS UNABLE TO WORK OR REQUIRES ADDITIONAL SUPPORT BECAUSE OF A MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEM. IF PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO RETURN TO WORK, THERE SHOULD BE PERSONALISED ASSISTANCE AND SUPPORT TO DO SO, which at present is not being offered to myself and many many others despite the government promising that it would. If you are a bt user I was advised on the phone today by the bt rep to type in “How to open a site using a proxy server” Hopefully I will be able to now access blacktriangle.org this way.

    Comment by Casimira — June 30, 2012 @ 11:51 am

  553. Hi Casimira.

    We have known for a while that BT have been in cahoots with ATOS, don’t forget ATOS are the BTs IT comrades in arms, it would be child’s play for an ATOS employee to arrange a ban on any site they wish.
    Looks like Black triangle and the dwp examination forum are targets, I wonder if they have dared to try it on with Benefits and work members ?.
    Anyway we need proof, solid proof, then we can expose the hypocrisy and downright criminality of these people.

    Using a proxy server looks like the way to bypass their ban.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 30, 2012 @ 12:40 pm

  554. I am still not able to understand the proxy server thing. Will go round to a friends to ask advice and will keep you posted when I do manage to access blacktriangle.org

    Comment by Casimira — June 30, 2012 @ 12:52 pm

  555. Wait they’re blocking disabled websites because we’re speaking about Atos and our experiences?

    Ridiculus. Thank the lord for Virgin Media. If I wanted super slow internet I would stay with BT LOL.

    Anyway havent really got any news to report as of yet, been left alone for now by Atos. Shame theres no common sense, re read my Atos report recently and each time kinda laugh and feel disgusted when reading the womans name who did my assessment and her job title of Physio, DWP should disgard all reports by people with no experience with mental health issues.

    Because I’m a living example of a legitimate claimant with lifelong mental health problems that prevent me from working that was screwed by Atos but got Support Group status on appeal. There is justice in this world when people with common sense at these appeal tribunals have your evidence.

    Comment by Matthew — June 30, 2012 @ 8:47 pm

  556. I had a medical assessment around a year ago, the doctor, well, I thought he was one was so rude and caused such great upset that I had to go the doctors that afternoon with dangerously high blood pressure. A few hours after I was rushed to hospital with my heart condition that they could not control, in fact, it was my worse episode ever. I tried to find out if the person who dealt with me was in fact a real doctor and the office refused to tell me. He kept me waiting in the room whilst he finished his computer paperwork when I complained I was suffering from severe chest pain and needed to go. He had not read my notes, that was evident from the start and I felt insulted that this man tried to undermine me. I was asked the same question about the television, and when I said I don’t watch it I was told that I was lying and that they would find out, the same about going out in public. The understaind of mental health issues was disgusting, and I am not surprised to hear that some people have taken their lives after having such interviews, yes, there are people who take the mickey, but there are genuine people. There is no need for the behaviour that was demonstrated, in fact, I would as far to say that there were grounds for a public order complaint to the police as to how I was treated.

    Comment by Peter — July 2, 2012 @ 11:30 am

  557. I had a medical January 2011 i lost my benefits, took them to a tribunal and won my case in the July of 2011 benefits were reinstated and back pay was awarded. However, had another medical in January 2012 again benefits were stopped, i now have another tribunal in Sept 2012, its ironic my condition hasnt changed yet they still persist im capable of work, the interview in Jan 2012 was very traumatic, i broke down in tears and the Dr wasnt very sympathetic at all. Im not capable of work due to severe depression of marriage breakdown, been sexually abused at 18yrs old, and i have problems with my right leg which doesnt allow me to bend or stand for very long. I scored zero points!…

    You are treated with no compassion at all, Thankfully i have the C.A.B involved on my case and the guy who dealt with my case in 2011 is dealing with my case in 2012. Things need to be done regarding ATOS. i understand some people trying to cheat the system but those that have genuine reasons for being disabled through whatever reasons should be treated with more respect and more understanding. Its disgusting on how this cycle is being done.

    Comment by leepylee2001 — July 2, 2012 @ 1:35 pm

  558. No matter what happens keep on fighting, it got me down and very close to giving up but I fought and won.

    It took me two adjourned court hearings and twenty two months to get what I was entitled to.

    I also took on ATOS, and made them admit that the corrupt medical exam from the first doctor was wrong.

    Fight, fight, fight all the way the more people that do the more chance the whole corrupt system with come crashing down. The medical examinations and court hearings are costing the government more than they are saving by trying to deny legitimate claims for help and assistance by people with disabilities.

    Comment by Kev — July 2, 2012 @ 5:16 pm

  559. @ Kev i intend to fight, and i will fight all the way its pathetic…

    Comment by leepylee2001 — July 2, 2012 @ 5:27 pm

  560. Hi all im from liverpool and won a tribunal last week. Just wanted to say ATOS are a bunch of lying F***ers . After my medical last september i got the report 3 months later from said medical and it was basically just fabrications, lies etc! It said I used to be a labourer! Ive never been able to work due to my disability, and certainly could not be a labourer! It said I go do my own shopping every week! Ive not been in a supermarket for years! I use public transport regularly! My carer takes me to all my appointments and stuff via car, again not used public transport for years! These are just a few of the lies and things I never said in my medical that somehow ended up in the report!. ATOS have only 1 mission, and that is to get as many people off ESA, DLA etc as possible regardless of how ill/disabled they are. Also could anyone advise approximately how long it takes to receive backpay? Thanks.

    Comment by Darren — July 3, 2012 @ 6:25 pm

  561. Hello Darren.

    Your certainly right there, and your ESA 85 sounds familiar.
    It takes around seven weeks to receive your backpay, then a couple of weeks later a letter arrives from ATOS and the whole rigmarole starts again.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 3, 2012 @ 8:30 pm

  562. Cheers for replying, as you say even though I won my appeal only 1 week ago, Im expecting ANOTHER ATOS medical appointment some time soon!! Surely they are wasting more money by dragging us through the appeals process over and over again! It annoys me that I know of people who arent even deserving of ESA yet sail through there medicals with no problems easily getting 15 points, yet those of us genuinely ill/disabled are literally having to jump through hoops of fire to get it!! The whole system is a joke! Im just glad theres sites like this one where at least we can help/advise each other. Also just to add the ATOS medical place in liverpool (Mann Island) is surrounded by CCTV so they can see your every move from approx 300 metres before you enter the building!!

    Comment by Darren — July 3, 2012 @ 9:20 pm

  563. Please see the link below. This might turn out interesting. On the other hand, nothing might happen at all!


    Comment by Shmooo — July 3, 2012 @ 9:45 pm

  564. Very interesting article shmooo, hopefully something will come of it1 But im not holding my breath.

    Comment by Darren — July 3, 2012 @ 11:03 pm

  565. Darren…Check out our sister site, http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 4, 2012 @ 5:28 am

  566. This early day motion although not attracting much attention from our loving caring (All in it together members of parliament) is at least fostering debate, it’s scaring the Tories enough to instruct their lackies in the press to write articles that at first blush are very damaging to our cause, but when one looks further these very articles (Like this one) are in fact a godsend for us.
    This idiot Brendan O’Neill thought his article on Calums list would create a reaction in his favour, but when we read the comments we can see in fact it has backfired on him.


    Comment by dwpexamination — July 4, 2012 @ 5:47 am

  567. A different view from the new statesman.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 4, 2012 @ 7:59 pm

  568. atm im waiting for my appeal and the one thing that i can actually laugh about in my assessment report is the “nurse” at atos says that ill be ok in 3 months time. the assessment was in feb and im still having hospital treatment now and ill never be cured!!!!

    Comment by burt — July 13, 2012 @ 10:56 pm

  569. Well enough to work in three months time is the standard, and goes on just about every ESA 85. This applies no matter what the persons health problem is burt, one can have a brain tumour and paralysed and in their opinion ”Fit to work in three months”.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 15, 2012 @ 8:17 am

  570. ATOS assesses claimant as fit for work – able to sit for more than 10 minutes:


    Comment by Schmooo — July 15, 2012 @ 8:41 am

  571. I am waiting on getting two knees fitted,i cant get it done till i loose over three stone in weight,olso have a hernia,lump on right breast and eye problem,i am in severe pain after only a few steps,i was sent up for medical and scored no points,,where do i go now.we have no benefits ,do we need to go out and beg.

    Comment by geo — July 24, 2012 @ 9:58 pm

  572. Hello Geo.

    You can appeal and win, you can also get the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard. Go to our sister site visit the general discussion page et al and get the full details http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 24, 2012 @ 10:52 pm

  573. Looks like the anti DLA propaganda is starting in the Sun, talking about how apparently over 3 million people get the benefit, 70 percent arent seen face to face and how it apparently is an easy benefit to get. The Sun apparently thinks there isnt 3 million disabled in the country. Of course friend to all disabled(Sarcasm) Ian Duncan Smith has weighed in with his bile too.

    Funniest part of the article was the ‘Claimants will be seen by Doctors’ LOL… Surely they can’t be speaking about Atos?


    Article in todays paper, which is what I’m speaking about.

    Comment by Matthew — July 29, 2012 @ 8:12 pm

  574. Also, I think we were expecting this, when they’re not encouraging people to snitch on the disabled causing untold stress to others, and are reporting on the legitimate fakers, they’ve now turned their attention to all of us DLA claimants.

    I’m guessing we’re in for months of demonisation by the Sun and other Tory loving papers, whilst they try and kick half a million of us legitimate claimants off the benefit.

    Comment by Matthew — July 29, 2012 @ 8:17 pm

  575. Dont forget this quote:

    The findings from a Government research project show a high proportion of claimants who claim they are unfit for work appear to be fit enough to commit crime.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2176777/Sickness-benefits-Quarter-claiming-criminal-record-truly-alarming-discovery.html#ixzz222yqlrNr

    Comment by Schmooo — July 29, 2012 @ 8:54 pm

  576. Here’s more nonsense from the Daily mail (Directive ordered by the creatures) it’s no coincidence that it precedes the dispatches programme on CH 4 this evening.


    So far the Daily mail readers don’t agree, contrast to a couple of years ago when every Daily mail reader fawned, groveled and kowtowed to their every word.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 30, 2012 @ 6:34 am

  577. A million Mathew, a Million fit for work, that’s what Iain Duncan Smith and his sidekick Chris Grayling are saying, and that’s what they were saying before anyone was even assessed.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 30, 2012 @ 6:38 am

  578. It’s disgusting, we disabled will have to soon deal with Atos for our DLA claims too.

    What they fail to mention is DLA is actually a very difficult benefit to get, you need to send medical evidence and fill out the forms and stuff and actually prove you have what you have with the evidence.

    The way the Daily Mail/Sun make it out, its like DLA is a tick a few boxes and you get a few hundred quid a month. Thats not true.

    But as said, I believe we’re in for months of demonisation from the Goverment and their puppet newspapers, unplesant I know, makes you wonder where the justice is in the world, when a goverment and newspapers can attack the disabled like this.

    But sadly we’re stuck with this Tory regime for a few more years yet, they will get wiped out in the polls next general election, the millions of disabled theyve screwed over, come hell or high water will hit the polls. I know I will.

    Comment by Matthew — July 30, 2012 @ 5:11 pm

  579. Not only is Grayling a worm, his comment about judges was fucking ridiculus.

    Oh my god. This man, who is a lesser version of Hitler had no real answers, only lies and non answers and didnt like being put on the spot like that.

    I hate that the Olympics are on, this man was clearly shown for what he is, it should of been on BBC1 after Eastenders or something. Hope enough people saw it anyway.

    Comment by Matthew — July 30, 2012 @ 8:45 pm

  580. Yes it’s all the Tribunal Judges fault now…Grayling if your reading this then stop and read my lips ‘‘I hope someone sticks a rocket up your ass, you worthless piece of crap”

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 30, 2012 @ 10:08 pm

  581. @dwpexamination

    It makes me wonder why he even went with ESA, now that hes blaming the judges, he must somehow want everyone off disability benefits entirely? Surely?

    I mean, the Judges are using medical evidence and are making judgements in the boundarys created by the past 2 Goverments with ESA, and are awarded the benefit when people meet the criteria.

    Basically the Judges are acting within the rules created by the Goverment with ESA. So really, why’s he blaming them for awarded legitimate claimants with their money back?

    He should be blaming Atos for fraudulantly kicking almost everyone off ESA, and should blame them for the fact they have a target of 12 percent unfit for work, with their assessors.

    He should be reforming the system so its fair, and leave us disabled alone.

    He isnt, which to me suggests he doesnt want disabled on benefits to begin with, we’re a burden to him.

    Comment by Matthew — July 31, 2012 @ 6:13 pm

  582. My friend has just been just refused his benefit, they have taken no account of his mental illness and clinically diagnosed depression.
    I am seriously worried if he will be here tomorrow to even lodge an appeal. All for what £15 a day?, A life is worth than more than that. This government needs to be exposed for what they are.

    Comment by Anonymous — August 10, 2012 @ 5:16 pm

  583. Hello Anonymous.

    They don’t take account of anyone’s illness/s, your friend can appeal and win, all money owed will be backdated, do you know when you appeal you can apply for the assessment rate ?.

    By the way we are trying our best to expose this Government for what they are http://www.dwpexamination.org but not enough people are joining us.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 10, 2012 @ 6:02 pm

  584. I have received my letter telling me that i have been placed in the W.R.A.G. Having just been released from a 28 day program in The Priory Hospital due to alcoholism, should i appeal the decision as i was told by The Priory not to make any ‘Significant Changes’ in my life for 1 year due to the impact it could have on my recovery.


    Comment by Anonymous — August 17, 2012 @ 11:55 am

  585. Hello Anonymous.

    Are you receiving Contributory ESA ? or Income related ESA ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 17, 2012 @ 12:24 pm

  586. Hi DWPex. They are putting me on ContributoryESA.

    Comment by Anonymous — August 17, 2012 @ 12:51 pm

  587. Well I finally got my letter from the DWP saying that Im fit for work. Hey reading the decision made my day, it gave me a right good laugh. Im so looking forward to getting this appeal in. In addition to pulling their whole assessment process to bits, I thought I might send a couple of copies of the last weeks jobpages in the Newcastle Evening Chronicle. This week it was down to just over 2 pages of jobs for the whole of Tyne and Wear.

    Comment by Schmooo — August 17, 2012 @ 12:52 pm

  588. Hello Anonymous.

    Well you have to take in to consideration that Contributory ESA (WRAG) ends after a year, it doesn’t end after a year if you are in the support group though, so remember if you appeal for the support group then do it as soon as you can, leaving it until your Contributory ESA runs out will look suspicious. Get welfare rights or CAB advice on this as soon as you can.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 17, 2012 @ 2:20 pm

  589. We are all in the same boat Schmooo…dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 17, 2012 @ 2:21 pm

  590. Thanks DWPex. After reading the letter again, it says that i will be paid ‘Extra Money’ (£28.15) because i will be in the WRAG. Would i lose this money if i was succesful and moved to the Support Group?

    Appreciated DWPex.

    Comment by Anonymous — August 17, 2012 @ 3:13 pm

  591. Hello Anonymous.

    If you did appeal and were moved in to the support group then you would gain even more money, it’s not much more, but the main thing would be that you had more control of your life, you don’t need to attend compulsory Work focused interviews for instance, you could attend when you decide and not when they decide, and as I said before, you stay on Contributory as long as you stay in the support group.
    Do check it out first with professional advisors (NOT THE DWP) before you make the final decision.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 17, 2012 @ 3:34 pm

  592. @Schmooo

    Don’t take it personally, as long as you’re breathing, you’re fit for work in their eyes.

    I was failed too, by a Physio no less, and the report basically said I’m fit for work and can return to work anytime, which of course was not true, and the reasons given were bullshit. But with help, a decent appeal, with lots of evidence was sent in, and a few months wait and I recieved Support Group status and my money backdated.(I’m claiming on mental health grounds, with something I’ve had all my life, and have a lot of evidence to support).

    Atos are shit, don’t let it get you down, appeal and move on.

    Comment by Matthew — August 17, 2012 @ 8:55 pm

  593. Thanks Matthew, dont worry, Im not taking it personally. Although its going to take over my life for a little while. I couldnt sleep last night there was so much going round in my head, Ive some good ideas for the appeal. I forgot to mention, that I was judged fit for work also because I have to do exercises for physiotherapy and have to go to exercise referral, as I have fibromyalgia, even though I stated that it causes me pain to undertake exercise it is more or less mandatory. I cant believe they use your treatment as an excuse. Actually yes I can! Now they’ve stopped my money I have nothing to pay for the exercise referral, which means I will stiffen up and be even more in pain. Idiots.

    Comment by Schmooo — August 18, 2012 @ 6:06 am

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    Comment by Gabriela — September 3, 2012 @ 5:19 pm

  595. hello,
    i am glad that i am not alone in this fascist bullying by the government and asos, can anyone offer me advice i have been summoned for a medical but i am too disabled to go have many physical problems that i won’t go into, i have been appealing for a home visit but the review panel have turned me down again and again, my medical is 30 miles away it will take 2 trains and a 30 minute walk to get there i am physically incapable of getting to it, my doctor has written the letters has assessed me themselves to be physically disabled yet have still each time been turned down for a home visit and was also told off for not phoning them sooner to find out if i was allowed a home visit but couldn’t get to a phone because i couldn’t walk they have now told me my benefits will be stopped if i don’t go to the allotted medical(it is in canterbury near the law courts, and i live in sheerness miles away)is there any other thing i can do to get the home visit i am now suffering from severe panic attacks from the stress and worry of basically starving to death and being evicted as i have to pay money towards my rent/coucil tax which i wont be able to do if they stop the benefits please help!!!!!!eclair

    Comment by claire — September 10, 2012 @ 12:56 pm

  596. Hello Claire.

    The reason they are doing this is far to many people are asking for home visits and once they are told they will lose their benefits if they don’t turn up, they fold and just arrange to go, this let’s the DWP and ATOS point out Ah Ha another scrounger who claims they can’t attend an assessment.

    So it’s a battle of wits, if you can get support from your GP in the form of a fax explaining you just can’t go then they usually give in first and arrange a home visit, but first they make you suffer with demanding letters, it all depends then how determined you are, if you can’t go then you just can’t go.

    There are people on the forum who have been in your position and won, think up a username and log in and just ask them http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 10, 2012 @ 1:09 pm

  597. Hi.. Having had my medical yesterday, can anyone explain why, my arms were measured!!!? She took a tape measure, and measured from my wrist to about halfway up to my elbow, then took a measurement around that part of both my forearms!

    Comment by Caz — September 12, 2012 @ 6:34 pm

  598. You should have wrapped your forearms round her Caz and gave her a big hug……..A f****n big BEAR HUG.

    No idea why she would do that, measuring you up to see if you can propel a wheelchair perhaps, god knows what goes through their minds, there’s no rhyme or reason at ATOS healthcare.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 12, 2012 @ 7:46 pm

  599. update on my tribunal which was on the 10th Sept 2012 : in a word i failed! the doctor was a basically a very pompous git, the judge although sympathetic didnt listen at all. After been in the room that room reliving my events back in January 2012 it wasnt pleasant at all. I mentioned the fact i was sexually abused at 18yrs old (im now 40) and again this was disregarded again at the tribunal on monday, my leg is still giving me problems and i cant sit down for too long. The panel watched me half a dozen times stand and sit very uncomfortably and this was disregarded throughout the proceedings. Ive subsequently re-applied for ESA which thankfully im allowed to alas i have to submit a sick note again but this isnt a worry as i have my GP’s full support. Watch your backs people at these tribunal’s especially at mbro CNE. They asked you where you have parked and did u manage to walk ok to the CNE building…ATOS are corrupt they are continually failing people with genuine disabilities but they are targeting people like myself who suffer with depression. As far as i’m concerned i’m not ready to go back to work. I refuse to be pushed into something im not ready for. I will do it in my own time when i consider myself to be of use to an employer. At the moment im not ready I think i use whats called “Common Sense!” which ATOS obviously dont have or use!

    Comment by leepylee — September 14, 2012 @ 3:09 pm

  600. Leepylee…ATOS are corrupt and so are the tribunals, I’ve been up against them as well and I know what they are all about, do you know they get ? £300 a day for sitting in there kidding themselves on ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 14, 2012 @ 6:00 pm

  601. Hi Dwpexaminations, as you may recall I won my tribunal three weeks ago but I have not heard anything except this morning I got a letter for the jobcentreplus saying that my medical certificate had run out and I need to supply another but my welfare rights case worker wrote me a letter saying I need not send any more medical certificates so why am I being asked to send one?

    Comment by Casimira — September 15, 2012 @ 10:07 am

  602. It has occurred to me that as each nurse and doctor who works for ATOS has to sign a sworn code of conduct that they must always put the best interest of the patients first surely they must be breaking their terms with the General Medical Council and the Nursing and Midwifery Council time and time again as they ignore time and time again the evidence we give them at the assessments from GP,s consultants, voluntary organisations etc, and yet the GMC seem to either be powerless to stop it from happening or do not want to get involved which to my mind is also breaking the law, surely the GMC has enough power to bring ATOS to a halt?. I saw on TV the other day that several Christians who had been denied wearing crosses at work have now gone to the European Court of Human rights so perhaps we all need to stand united and do the same, after all it can not be ethical that a profit making organisation should be testing the disabled surely. It would make much more sense if they had our GP’s , consultants and perhaps another GP outside our practise doing it as probably the Government assume some people manipulate their GP’s and they may feel under pressure to give sick notes? so having an outside GP would back that up and would save the government a fortune perhaps
    Any way the Government are obviously on to a good thing bullying us because as only 40% appeal and then only 40% win on appeal they still despite paying ATOS must be saving money. It is a shame the other 60% are either too ill to appeal, too afraid or perhaps have partners so do not bother.If we all rightfully appealed then I think the government would have to think twice about this whole process

    Comment by Casimira — September 15, 2012 @ 11:04 am

  603. Hello Casimira.

    It’s true you don’t have to send a sickline in after winning an appeal, trouble is the person who sent you that directive doesn’t know you have won your appeal yet, even though the DWP themselves have been informed within a week, the reason I know this is because they inform us within a week if we have lost an appeal. and losing an appeal get’s top priority and goes to the top of the heap over a person who has won an appeal, so it stands to reason they are informed of all decisions within a week.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 15, 2012 @ 11:38 am

  604. Hello Casimira.

    They will tell you that you are not a patient, you are a customer or client.
    It’s no accident that the word patient has been dropped, it was carefully thought out first, they made that mistake in the beginning, quickly saw the problems it was going to cause and changed it, now you know the reason..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 15, 2012 @ 11:41 am

  605. Thanks DWpexaminations for that I suppose I had better send them a sick note otherwise they will cut off my benefits and it will then take a while to sort it out!! uhm interesting what you say about us being customers, well I am sure if the GMC wanted to they could have the power to sort this out fairly, after all customer, patient whatever at the end of the day we are PEOPLE! with health issues being examined by doctors working for ATOS who are putting many peoples health at severe risk so why oh why isn’t the GMC getting involved and STOPPING these inhumane assessments. WE ALL UNIVERSALLY FEEL THAT WE ARE BEING DRIVEN TO DISPAIR, WE ALL LIKEN IT TO THE NAZI REGIME TO A LESSER EXTENT,ok we are not being sent to concentration camps and not being physically tortured and there is at present a right to appeal BUT WE ARE BEING MENTALLY TORTURED and that simply is inhumane

    Comment by Casimira — September 15, 2012 @ 12:35 pm

  606. Hi everyone, i’ve been to my GP’s this morning and told my Dr about the event last Monday. To put in a word and i quote my Dr “Disgusted!” she has diagnosed me with “Post Traumatic Stress Disorder” here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posttraumatic_stress_disorder and for those who think they may have this syndrome here is a link for a self test to print off and give to your GP.. http://www.ptsd.ne.gov/pdfs/ptsd.pdf i answered in all honesty to 99% of these questions as a “Yes” barring one which is alcohol related..

    will keep following the blog. im still waiting for my ESA forms from the DWP..its now been 6days and still not received them..

    Also contacting my local MP for Middlesbrough about this..

    Comment by leepylee — September 17, 2012 @ 10:13 am

  607. Well get this for purposeful incompetency. I sent in my appeal letter and a new sick note about 2 weeks after I got my decision letter. I had also sent in a data protection request. Last week the data protection officer rang to see what documents I wanted and she said I can see you have an appeal in. My sick note was only for 2 weeks, so I got the usual letter the other day asking me to send a new sick note by Friday. I hadnt had my benefits reinstated, so I rang to the callcentre this morning to say the sicknote was on its way and to find out what was happening. Oh, you need to reapply, your claim was closed on Friday because no appeal had been received. Eh????? Needless to say I took his head off. They have had the letter. Now its got to be referred back to the local office – Gateshead – there was no record whatsoever to say about an appeal, he didnt know what the data protection officer was talking about. Why ask me for a new sick note then?? Whatever happens, this is going into a letter to my local MP and I will be making a complaint. I am sitting here with absolutely NO INCOME for the last month, thankfully I have a little bit to live off, what if I didnt?? Its just all ONE BIG CON TO SAVE MONEY, maybe even kill people off with the stress! I am so angry and stressed and upset my head is literally exploding. I just do not need this. ! Grrrrr !!!

    Comment by Shanmoo — September 17, 2012 @ 10:58 am

  608. Shanmoo.

    Now your getting it, that’s their plan, sicken you to death so that you either capitulate and do as they say or go crawl away and die somewhere, they don’t care which…!! Revolting bastards.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 17, 2012 @ 11:31 am

  609. Leeplee…A letter to your MP will definitely help, hey, a hope he’s not one of those Tory gits ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 17, 2012 @ 11:33 am

  610. UPDATE: funny the DWP “found” my letter yesterday….. eeeeh we are so sorry … started to say something about how it had “been misplaced”… then stopped herself before she shot herself in the foot. So anyway appeal is now lodged and benefits to be paid out. Then get a call a wee while after from another muppet who says “but we dont have a sick note….”… already had 3 conversations about that before he called… professional incompetence at its best. Thankfully 4 weeks benefit paid into bank account yesterday. Just wondering what the next drama will be. No doubt benefits stopped because the phone calls proved I could use a mobile and I must be lying!
    NOW I just found out some interesting info about an ATOS HCP Doctor who was employed despite having a criminal record including prosecution by the DWP, this is on the main forum and I will also put the info in the blog under “are they really doctors”… its SHOCKING

    Comment by shanmoo — September 18, 2012 @ 9:58 am

  611. Shanmoo.

    That’s interesting, an HCP with criminal convictions with the DWP is working for ATOS ?, could you put it on the general conversation page of the sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org
    Your Member of parliament and the opposition should both know about this, a letter of explanation to them would be a good idea.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 18, 2012 @ 10:48 am

  612. Yes indeed, Im also speaking with a journalist from the Guardian. It isnt clear whether he was employed by ATOS at the time of the decision to suspend him, he has been employed there previously, his last employment was said to be “assessing clients and writing medico-legal reports” which sounds like them but of course ATOS will never give out that info. The forum seems to be down at the minute but I have already started a thread. Its unfortunate that the GMC think that its ok a dishonest man with mental health issues and convictions is fit for work as a disability assessor. The suspension was only 12 months because he wasnt actually treating patients :o(

    Comment by shanmoo — September 18, 2012 @ 10:57 am

  613. Irony has slapped me in the face, I still havnt received my new claim pack for ESA this is 7days now, DWP deposited £67 in my account! Oh thanks thats going to go far! ive got nearly £100 to go out on the 1st Oct and the muppet on the end of the phone couldnt access my file due to system meltdown! Yeah Whatever! i explained to said muppet that how am i supposed to manage on £67 when ive got bills totalling more than that..”Well you can take a crisis loan out!”. Then let the DWP take 1/4 of my money no thanks! Also got told off a mate of mine who got kicked off ESA by ATOS back in August this year, he’s subsequently reapplied for ESA and ATOS have called him in within 1 mnth for a medical. Apparently they are rushing peoples tribunals through so you cant reclaim ESA again for another 6mnths! Whats this government coming too…

    Comment by leepylee — September 18, 2012 @ 11:30 am

  614. Leepylee.

    Your right, they are fast forwarding people through the tribunals, hoping they’ll lose the appeal and have to sign on or starve.
    I know because that’s what they tried with me, I had some luck though and got a postponement, apparently the DWP held back important information regarding a previous appeal win from the appeal panel. which my WRO spotted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 18, 2012 @ 2:44 pm

  615. Really thats interesting..most likely it will happen to me as well..My local labour MP has been informed of my situation his aid took the details and im waiting for a response from Mr Bell. i am hoping that i get backing off the MP i know i have full support from my GP,,,but thank you for the heads up!

    Comment by leepylee — September 18, 2012 @ 3:14 pm

  616. @Schmooo

    Hope things improve you soon, I had that whole sleepness night thing, and the depression that comes along with this whole thing, the whole feeling sick to your stomach and the feeling the world is against you, it’l fade in time, till all you’re left with is either anger at the situation you’re in, or acceptance of what is going on knowing you can’t change things and that all you can do is appeal and move on.

    That said, and this was the reason I can on here today, not aiming this part at you but in yesterdays ‘i’ Newspaper, an Atos HCP was commenting on how she joined Atos to help disabled people claim benefits and was essentially awarding benefits to those that were of course genuine in her eyes, she then got a warning from her bosses and was essentially told she had to manipulate the results because she was passing too many people fit for work. Long story short Atos say she wasn’t involved in the ESA tests(Which is bullshit and denied what she said) I think she quit on moral grounds.

    Her medical opinion on patients she passed as they were legitimate was called into question as essentially Atos wanted more people failed. Amazing how fraud of this level is allowed to continue in the United Kingdom, what Atos are doing is nothing more large scale fraud. Pity the police won’t arrest them, as its Goverment sponsered.

    Comment by Matthew — September 26, 2012 @ 3:02 am

  617. Lovely, the good people of Atos have sent me another questionare. Less than 6 months after winning my appeal and getting support group status. Looks like they want another go at failing me with their unqualified keyboard jockeys. Wonder if I’ll get the same Physio as before, maybe a midwife this time?

    Comment by Matthew — October 4, 2012 @ 2:29 pm

  618. I am due to go for a medical in 2 wks time and I have taken notes of all your points. I’ve been down this road before unfortunately about 5 yrs ago and I lost by half a point. (expected) I will have a pen and paper with me at my medical and i will ensure they read my answers back to me through the many questions I will be asked. Even though they will fire questions at me I will take my time to answer, I will NOT be hurried.
    Thanks again for the information.

    Comment by Anonymous — October 10, 2012 @ 3:56 pm

  619. Hello Anonymous.

    First of all you need to be aware that ATOS are past masters of subterfuge, creating confusion and chaos and playing on words, and the first answer you will get is this is not a medical !, and leave you to ask ‘Well what it is then ?’ for them to answer ‘It’s a functional assessment on your fitness to work’ One of many pre-proggrammed answers designed to create confusion and stop you from asking legitimate questions they don’t want to answer.

    They will also keep you occupied in an attempt to stop you from bothering them with questions of their own, one such question will almost certainly be ”Why are you taking notes ?” and maybe follow on with ”Have you asked and been given permission to take notes ?” you see, every question or non-committal answer stops you from asking them questions.

    So then, perhaps it’s best to get the first two out of the road and declare that ”At my functional assessment today I wish to take notes” The reason why I want to take notes is because I have a bad memory and taking notes will help me (Or whatever reason you wish)” That’s when you will get the permission nonsense, which you reply ”Ask your manager, and I think you will find there is nothing in the contract between ATOS and the DWP or common law that forbids taking notes at a functional assessment on a persons fitness to work” Then he/she may move on to the real reason why they don’t want you to take notes, which is ”You cannot use those notes at an appeal !!” And you be ready with your answer, something like ”What makes you think there will be an appeal ? you sound as if your minds made up already”

    So knowing in advance the kind of objections they raise on taking notes and recordings will help you prepare and be ready for them with at least an idea of the kind of rubbish they try to get away with.
    After that’s out the road then you can proceed with your original intentions rather than wasting half an hour being led a merry dance.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 10, 2012 @ 6:17 pm

  620. Another update from me, i had a call off ATOS yesterday teatime telling me an appointment had been made for me at Thornaby (Stockton on Tees) on the 31st Oct 2012, bare in mind i only filled in the form they sent me less than 2weeks ago. in that form i stated i wanted a home visit as my condition has worsened. They told me i need to get my GP to fax the details across with reasons i’m unable to attend this medical. Today i urgently rang my GP and explained to her what ATOS were doing AGAIN! She asked me what they wanted to know and i said “Everything Dr” to which she said contact ATOS AGAIN!! And tell them to fax the surgery with what they want to know. I rang ATOS AGAIN! to which this snotty CS Agent told me “ATOS do not contact your GP its your responsibility to do this on behalf of ATOS!”. If this is the case why do they ask your GP’s contact details? My GP is seriously thinking of doing something about ATOS and using my story (obviously changing names) as a true example of how this pathetic system is being run!…

    Updates soon :-)

    I Do like the comment above, i may use that myself!

    Comment by leepylee — October 11, 2012 @ 9:07 pm

  621. Hi Leepylee.

    Well you can see they will try any trick in the book to avoid a home visit, and so you should use every trick in the book to make sure they grant you a home visit.
    By the way they ask your DRs contact details to give the impression they are going to contact them and ask for your medical history, and also show you what nice people they are and really have your best interests at heart.

    I keep explaining to people (Not that you are under any illusions) and I’ve been explaining it for the last three years, ATOS are there to take our benefits away, not to help us get them.

    They all need putting up against a wall and shot..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 11, 2012 @ 9:45 pm

  622. Hi,
    I’ve got a Tribunal on the 18th October on Mental Health grounds, it’s the first tribunal I’ve been to and to say I’m extremely nervous is an understatement. Does anybody know how long they last? and what to expect?


    Comment by James — October 13, 2012 @ 5:24 pm

  623. Hi James good luck with the tribunal today. It will only take about 20 minutes, well that is how long mine took

    Comment by Casimira — October 18, 2012 @ 7:26 am

  624. though i would update you on my shenanigans with atos, kept getting me to send them letters from my docotr to say why i couldn’t go to a medical then turning me down on the grounds i am fit enough to travel i kept phoning them up to say i couldn’t go they kept making new appointments for me in the end just diodn’t turn up to the medical, next thing received a letter from dwp saying that atos had informed them i hadn’t bothered to turn up for the medical and hadn’t bothered to contact them to tell them why!so sent my reason in and am still waiting for atos to contact me again for the medical, ridiculous my advice stick to your guns if you can’t get to it get your doctoer to tell them this and keep demanding a home visit

    Comment by Anonymous — October 22, 2012 @ 12:23 pm

  625. Another update from myself, ive subsequently spoken to my GP last week again on the telephone and all i can do is praise my her for the help she did for me, I rang my GP last Thursday and mentioned the ATOS medical i had been booked in for on the 31st Oct 2012. She was very annoyed to say the least! She rang the ATOS themselves and in a few words she asked them “What the hell do they think they were doing?” ATOS passed the buck to Thornaby medical centre at which point my GP got through to the medical centre Dr. She gave him a right bollocking (excuse the french) for calling me in under the grounds of my mental health. She gave him the exact details of my condition and circumstances to why im “unfit for work” at which point the this GP at Thornaby said to my GP “There is no need for me to attend the medical on the 31st of Oct and my benefits will be re-instated as of last thursday!” he apologized to my GP for any distress that may have been caused to myself!..

    I Thought wow!!..Must admit my GP is excellent and she did say normally the practice doesnt ring ATOS at all, but under the circumstances of my case she had too. She is also considering going to the national papers with my case as she is disgusted on how the “ATOS’s Hitler regime” is able to do this to people!! all i can say is ATOS – 0 : Me 1 :-)

    Comment by leepylee2001 — October 28, 2012 @ 10:54 pm

  626. Well done your GP leepylee, wish more GPs were proactive like her.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 28, 2012 @ 11:00 pm

  627. Hiya
    dont expect much sympathy, just received a letter fromJobcenter plus, telling me they intend to phone me about reassesing my claim for Income support,

    i was violently raped in 1991, and suffer very badly with my nerves,

    I under went Gender reassigment a few years before i was raped, the two guys who raped me, didnt know,about my GRS, and neither did my partner,even after the rape,

    due to being stealth TS i couldnt bring a rape charge against the two guys, belive me i tried,the police were sympathetic until i revealed my legal staus
    at the time, women like me couldnt bring a rape charge,
    the police laughed at me
    even though i had been forcefully raped, both anally and vaginally, leaving me requiring major surgery, two different gynacologists tried to help but i am left with a prolapsy and severly incontinant . i have rarely go out in the last 19 years

    Dr Lynne jones MP brought my case to the attention of Tony Blair, in 1997 who didnt know women like me couldnt bring rape charges, , the Labour Gov rushed though legislation seven years later in 2004 only because they were forced to
    so i am not looking forward to reliving my rape 20 years on at my so called medical
    the benefits agency are required by law to restrict acces to all people like me , so our pasts are not revealed,

    before the rape i had a very good job,and nobody at work knew, now i am pathetic & suicidal , whilst i was first put on the sick 20 years ago, the benefits agency started sending me giro,s addresed to Mr …….
    when they fully well knew i had been raped,and they also knew i couldnt cash the Giro,s

    the manager at the benefits office was quite shocked, when i took the gio,s in to complain, she said i didnt look or sound like a Transsexual !
    i intend to make my will before the sham medical, citing the reason why i will have taken my own life
    hopefully taking my own life night help others

    Comment by Anonymous — November 2, 2012 @ 12:40 am

  628. Hello Anonymous.

    Your worrying about things that haven’t even happened yet, wait until you get assessed, then we will see what the DWP have to say regarding your claim.
    If you have to appeal then you can get help from welfare rights or the CAB, you can also get great help here at our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org
    So you see it’s not all doom and gloom.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 2, 2012 @ 12:58 am

  629. Turns out my Atos thing was a mistake, the DWP informed my dad I don’t have to be reassessed until the end of next year. Will be interesting to see how this turns out.

    Comment by Matthew — November 3, 2012 @ 9:20 am

  630. Is the initial assessment with the ATOS doctor recorded, i am now awaiting a tribunal date an the forms i have been sent are littered with lies. They also say any illness since that first assessment should be ignored but the information I have provided since the assessment ( over 14 months ago ) has just been the same illness getting worse and effecting more each day.

    Comment by neil — November 4, 2012 @ 4:11 pm

  631. You have to request a recording, no way on gods earth are they going to ask you if you would like a recording.
    Even after the assessment is recorded, and they know you have a copy of the recording, they will still lie through their teeth, so what does that tell you ?.

    Since your condition is the same, then obviously the panel can’t ignore it, even though the DWP would like them too, the DWP mean that if you develop any other health conditions over and above the present health condition then they are asking the panel to obey the law and ignore it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2012 @ 8:36 pm

  632. Hello people,yet another update from myself. I rang the DWP on Wednesday 7th November to clarify what category i will fall into under ESA, ironically the CSA didnt have a clue!. I mentioned my last claim of ESA and the fact i failed at the tribunal, and proceeded to tell the CS Agent how i passed the “Assessment” through the intervention of my GP, I asked would the monies owed from the last claim be taken into consideration she said she didnt know BUT! the claim’s assessor was looking at my claim/s past and present and there could be a 50/50 chance i may still get the £1000+ owed to me and my benefits back dated. Apparently i have to ring back in 2-3weeks but for now i have my full benefits re-instated :-)

    Comment by leepylee — November 10, 2012 @ 9:25 am

  633. Leepy.

    Keep hammering away at them, and get that money they owe you, get every penny, you are entitled to that money.
    Thanks for the update.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 10, 2012 @ 10:02 am

  634. Here’s a good story.

    As said on here, I’m in the Support Group after winning my appeal earlier this year. Anyway as said above I recently received a ESA50 form or whatever its called, the questionnaire. Anyway thinking it was a mistake we left it till closer to the deadline and of course received an Atos ‘threat’ letter saying if the form isn’t returned by x date my benefits will be affected. Parents of course posted along with my evidence and all was well, so we thought. After requesting my Dad rang up in the DWP and they told us I didn’t need another ‘medical’ until the end of next year, and so we thought that was that.

    A few days ago we received an Atos letter saying I had to attend a medical at the end of the month. This of course shocked/distressed me, but yesterday my Dad rang up the DWP who again confirmed it was a mistake and I wasn’t due a medical until the end of next year, they couldn’t tell us how this had happened, or why, but they apologised a lot and hoped it didn’t affect me too much, which my Dad said it did(Because it did..). Anyway my Dad had a call back a short while later from the DWP from a senior person in that office and apologised again and confirmed what we knew, and that the Atos appointment had been cancelled.

    Discussing this with my parents I said, I think Atos were trying to pull a fast one, to get me in and fail me before Christmas in the hope we wouldn’t ask questions prior.

    I’m actually shocked by this, mostly because my evidence was ignored by Atos but actual Doctors in the Appeal awarded me the Support Group status for pretty much 2 years(End of next year) my evidence is extensive and good, but Atos of course know better right? It’s disgusting really, if a court ordered me to remain in the support group for that amount of time, Atos shouldn’t be sending me forms and stuff..

    The whole thing seems dodgy to me, the DWPs reaction to me suggests that Atos were at fault. And it seems it doesn’t matter if you include medical evidence or not, they still want you in to fail you. Going through the motions per say. Atos shouldn’t be given that much power to try and act against what was decided by the Tribunal and force me into another medical. Thankfully the DWP for once saved the day.

    Comment by Matthew — November 15, 2012 @ 4:27 pm

  635. Hello Mathew.

    I don’t want to alarm you but ATOS can call you anytime they like, what the tribunal recommends or says is irrelevant, ATOS are a law unto themselves.

    Plenty of people have told me that this assessment business won’t affect them because they’re on sickness benefits for life.

    I reply, really, boy you’ve got a shock coming, but I won’t say I told you so, and if you refuse to go for the assessment because you think your exempt then watch as your bank account dwindles.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 15, 2012 @ 4:41 pm

  636. Just posted on here, I don’t have to go until the end of next year according to the DWP. Guessing I didn’t get that point accross clearly sorry.

    Anyway how have they got so much authority? Its clear that the Tribunal have said I’m on this rate until the end of next year and the DWP have abided by that. Atos however haven’t, and the DWP pretty much set the record straight.

    I know you agree but these tests in general are so unfair and are a total scam. You’ve failed before you’ve even set foot in their office. What is the point of them repeatedly calling people who have a lifelong illness in to fail them? It’s just an endless circle of failure, appeal, failure, appeal. At least I don’t have to worry about that till Christmas 2013 now, but christ, Its worrying, its so unfair, its cruel..

    Comment by Matthew — November 15, 2012 @ 6:22 pm

  637. Just received a letter today confirming the appointment had been cancelled because they had received ‘new information’ aka the DWP telling them I’m not due an appointment for a while.

    Incredible how Atos are now the ones who decide if you have to go in or not, when they have no one remotely qualified to assess mental health conditions.

    Comment by Matthew — November 16, 2012 @ 11:25 am

  638. Received another Atos questionare today. what the fuck? Harrassment much. Also received a DWP letter saying I’m entitled to the Support Group rate.

    Comment by Matthew — November 20, 2012 @ 10:34 am

  639. And… it was confirmed as an Atos mistake. I don’t have to fill another form in. By the way, DWPExamination guy, did I do something to piss you off dude? You were always helpful with advice, and now you’re kinda like ignoring me lol

    Comment by Matthew — November 21, 2012 @ 2:48 pm

  640. Hi Mathew.

    There’s no rhyme nor reason with the DWP or ATOS, they can tell you one thing and do another, don’t take my word for it, experience is the best teacher,so be prepared for anything.

    Pissed me off ? no not at all, I just have this whole Blog (This is only one page) and the forum to look after, sometimes I miss things.

    By the way, in case you don’t know, here’s the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 21, 2012 @ 3:31 pm

  641. Hi People, i’d like to ask a question to someone who may know, I rang the DWP regarding my last ESA claim which went to tribunal and it was still disallowed this was back in Sept this year, ive subsequently reapplied and ive been put in the group where i dont need to look for work. Question is the DWP said on the phone i wasnt able to do anything about the previous claim which the DWP owed me £1000+ as it went to tribunal and it still was denied! is this true or is there any information that says otherwise. This money was owed to me back in Sept 2012 and i feel that an injustice has been done by ATOS/DWP by denying me whats owed! Views or opinions please? is there anything besides a miracle that i can actually do to recover whats rightfully mine?

    Comment by leepylee — November 27, 2012 @ 12:12 pm

  642. Hello leepylee.

    If the tribunal disallowed your appeal then you will not be entitled to any money back, you have to win an appeal to get backdate money.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 27, 2012 @ 3:21 pm

  643. Well, I just want to say well done for keeping this blog going for so long. I cant believe that over 3 years later and I’m still hearing the same story’s from people about ATOS. Why have the DWP and the government not done anything about it yet? I wont be voting next time, im going to spoil it with an intelligent and well worded remark along the lines of “F*?K off the lot of you, were all sick of your lies and deceit”

    Ive been on ESA for nearly 4 months due to problems with me knees. So far from tests ive found out I am hyper mobile which means my ligaments are lax (what some people call double jointed but its nothing to do with joints) this means my kneecap has a habit of popping out, often without warning, at the slightest of twists. When it does, I feint if I dont lay down (I dont think its pain I think its a nerve thing, like hitting your funny bone on a door frame.) I also have early onset grade one wear on the back of my left kneecap (so far ive not had tests on the right but its gradually getting worse) and improper tracking of my kneecaps to the point where I can feel them jumping around almost popping out. Ive had problems with my knees since I was about 17 (I’m now 26) and up until recently I just got on with it, went to uni etc and came out 3 years ago with a useless 3rd in environmental biology. Since then Ive been a ranger and gardener, both made difficult with my knee problems. I was made redundant from gardening in May which was when the pain in my knees started to grow and became unbearable. After a couple of months of JSA I gave up and went onto ESA as as far as I was concerned I was not fit for work and at that point didn’t know what was going on inside my knees and if working would make it worse.

    Up until now its been relatively uneventful apart from not getting payed for 5 weeks as they didn’t ask for a new drs note, they just didn’t pay me. After a lot of phone calls and getting angry with people on the phone Ive finally managed to get a note sent off on Friday and I’m waiting to hear if its accepted.

    I got a call from ATOS last night saying they want to book me in for a “medical” and was asked if I had been before, I hadn’t so I said no, so she said she doesn’t have the appointments to see so she would have to call me back with one. im still puzzled as to why she called in the first place. Anyway I’m worried I will fail the “medical” and loose my only income. I’m already sitting here freezing cold with a blanket over me as what I do receive isn’t enough to cover the all bills, food, other living expenses and heating.

    I cant squat, kneel, lift, run, walk on uneven or slippery surfaces without risk of my kneecap popping out, sit/lay with my knee bent for long e.g at a desk, stand for long or walk very far without being in a lot of pain. I navigate stairs at home by using my hands on the steps above me to take some weight off my knees. I have no partner or carerer so I have to do everything for myself and support myself. I live with my sis and we share the costs such as rent and bills 50/50 but she supports me in no way other than her half. I’m having treatment from a physio which has so far only been 2 months and he says it could be 3-4 months before i even see any change if I see a change, which I might not, and 6-8 months for a significant improvement if I have one.

    I’m also dyslexic (apologies for grammar and spelling mistakes but spellchecker only goes so far) which means I have an appalling short and long term memory, I can’t remember most of what I did when I was a kid and struggle to retain things im supposed to remember. I cant spell very well and my handwriting is unreadable. I cant do mental arithmetic and I don’t know my times tables, no matter how hard I try to learn them.
    I am no good at doing office type jobs that require memory, maths or legible writing skills and sitting at a desk is painful.

    Ive not been officially diagnosed as the 5 doctors ive seen about it are all reluctant to but I managed to get “some sort of chronic fatigue event” out of the last one, from what must have been at a very young age as I cant remember ever not being tired. It means I have little energy, poor concentration and find it very difficult to motivated myself, made worse by the pain in my knees and stress when needing to use maths.

    Ive tried working in shops and I couldn’t handle the stress off having to count money, I can no longer do the physical jobs I resigned myself to having to do for the rest of my life and I’m generally fed up of being in pain all the time, not sleeping properly in months cos I cant get comfortable and being treated like im over reacting and scrounging off the state. several people have said to me I need to just get on with it and put up with being in constant agonizing pain. Who in their right mind would employ someone like me, yes there are laws out there to stop discrimination but it doesn’t stop them from doing it. Why would they employ me, who cant do anything useful when they can have someone else who can do everything. Sometimes I wonder what the point of it all is, ive often thought of getting life insurance for my family, living it up on overdrafts, credit cards and loans and then ending it. If im no use to society then whats the point of being in it?

    All the info on this site has been very useful, unfortunately I dont have anyone I can take with me and cant afford a lawyer etc but I will be taking a voice recorder in with me and making sure whatever they write is correct. I will sit in that room and refuse to leave until they show me what they have written, not just read it back.
    Im also concerned about how i am going to get there as its 2 buses which will take over an hour each way and I dont travel well on buses with my knees or a taxi which will cost me £12 each way, and i can not afford to have to wait months to claim it back, £24 is my food budget for a month or however much longer I can string it out.
    i shall try all the things that have been mentioned here and if I get treated like scum and patronized then that’s what there going to get back, if they want me to be grumpy and unhappy at everything then that’s what there gonna get, ive got quite good at that recently.

    Anyway its nice to see everyone pull together in one place and fight to get this injustice ended, even if it means lots of stress detrimental to many peoples health.

    Comment by Hayley — December 4, 2012 @ 4:41 pm

  644. Hi Hayley.

    Don’t let them know you have a voice recorder on you, because they will stop the assessment and inform the DWP you did not comply with their wishes and your benefits will stop.
    After the assessment, if the worst comes to the worst then you can read the ESA85 assessment report and any lies on there (And there will be, I can assure you) you can expose by saying HEY that’s not true because I recorded it etc…

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 4, 2012 @ 8:12 pm

  645. Hi, i dont intent to tell them I have a recorder on me, I have an app on my ipod that records when it hears something and its quite sencitive. I can put it on and they wont know its there. I think my phone has a voice recorder too, need to check that out. Technology these days eh? I will request all the paperwork after the assessment as advised here and request info on whO the “doctor” is before the appointment. Sometimes makeing it clear your not going to take any shit from them and that your going to fight to the death over it is enough to put them off bothering. Ive done it with broadband companies over cancelation fees and i will do it again any day.

    Comment by Hayleye — December 4, 2012 @ 8:36 pm

  646. Ah your switched on Hayley…lol.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 4, 2012 @ 11:36 pm

  647. Lol thanks. Ive also thought of a couple of other things like if there going to give me the most uncomphortable chair then im going to sit there and fidget the whole time, which i would probabbly naturaly do to some exent due to my knees and chronic pain in my coxix but i will exagurate it, maybe knock something off the desk, theres nothing more irritating than a fidget. Also if i think there not listening i will drop a few random words in like volcano and green jellybaby and see what reaction i get, if i get nothing i can then ask why there not listening when they ask a question. Ive then got ammo if they say they are listening. Ive decided that its more than likely to go to appeal so im gonna have a bit of fun and expose them for what they are. I really dont know what im going to do if it does go to apeal as i have no other income and no partner to support me like a lot of people do here. There must be something other than jsa i can claim as there now so fussy with it if you dont apply for 3 jobs in a week they “sanction” you which can now apparently last for up to 3 years, which is insane. How do they expect people to survive for 3 years on overdraft and loans alone. Im already living hand to mouth cos what i do get is bearly enough to cover the essentials so i have no savings at all. Its like they want us to live in poverty, under huge stress and then just stop money when they feel like it and send us out on the streets. I thought it was illigal for the government to make someone destitute.

    Comment by Hayleye — December 5, 2012 @ 7:15 am

  648. Hayleye I wish you all the luck. Just wait until you get the questions half way through asking you if you know what your name is and what day it is and where you live, to make sure you are alive and can breathe so you can work. Oh sorry even if you cant breathe you can stil work. About them making us destitute, someone from Canada I think it was reported certain Government Ministers to the International Criminal Court regarding the austerity measures. Theres some information about it somewhere on our forum. Unfortunately the way the world is going the governments dont want people who cant contribute financially to society and are instead seen as a drain, as you may know this happened under the Nazis.

    Comment by Shanmoo — December 5, 2012 @ 9:07 am

  649. Hello Hayley.

    If you have to appeal then you can still get the assessment rate of ESA, It’s ESA without the working component, so how much is that in monetary terms you may ask ? well it’s £71 a week, which is the same as dole money.

    But the DWP don’t tell people about the assessment rate, oh no they don’t even crack a light, because they want to force you to commit a fraudulent act and go and sign on out of pure desperation to get some money to live..!!

    Then they can produce a big giant list to show off in parliament, look how many scroungers we have caught.

    So if your ill and have to appeal, then don’t sign on, apply for the assessment rate.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 5, 2012 @ 9:34 am

  650. Thanks for the support guys. Ive been on £71 a week since i applied end of july anyway, i thought thats just what it was as thats what the governement have worked out thats what someone can live on. Although tell them to live on that, pay water, gass, electric, tv license, broadband, contents insurance, food and other essentials like toilet paper and im pretty sure they would struggle too. I dont even see heating, clothes and food other than value brands/beans, bread and pasta as essential anymore. Anything more than the basic stuff is a luxury. I dont drink, smoke, use drugs or even have a social life and im still eating the minimal, god knows how people smoke, drink and even buy clothes! Ive seen them in the job centre signing on with their river island carrier bags full of new clothes and brand new nikes on their feet. Im sat there in stained and ripped 6 year old jeans i got for xmas and worn out trainers i got on sale a Trago. How the hell do these people do it!

    Comment by Hayley — December 5, 2012 @ 11:25 am

  651. Wheeling and dealing Hayley, wheeling and dealing, there’s no other way.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 5, 2012 @ 1:20 pm

  652. Well after being told i will get a phone call to make an appointment ive just been sent a letter for an assessment on the 20th of december. Lovely bit of stress i need so close to xmas. They sent a leaflet with it which was full of lies about “treating customers fairly and equaly” and that i will be assessrd by a medical person who knows where there doing.
    At least the wait means ive got plenty of time to request the info before the date. It also says you can only claim expences For a taxi if its pre aranged and with a note from your doctor saying why you cant take the bus. Im not going to risk loosing £22 i dont have and will just have to endure the 4 buses and possible walk from the stop as i have no idea where it is.
    Im about to send an email off to them to find out which joker is going to fabricate my assessment.
    And so it begings!

    Comment by Hayley — December 6, 2012 @ 3:39 pm

  653. Hiya

    I have a assessment coming up next week how will the health care assessors view people that arrive by taxi on their own? the person that usually helps me around told me that they might not able able to go with me to my appointment and to try and find someone else, i have a social problem of going out and meeting strangers i contacted CAB they are trying to find me a representative to come along with me.

    But if i do go on my own will they see me as fit for work?


    Comment by Kazy — December 6, 2012 @ 4:40 pm

  654. Kazy.

    Almost everyone who walks in to an ATOS assessment centre is found fit for work, we just have to appeal against their decision.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 6, 2012 @ 6:53 pm

  655. I’m just so angry with the whole terrible situation and everyone going to these assessments are not really being assessed on their disabilities now thats a big clue?

    The people that work at these places do not have relevant medical knowledge on mental illness and are usually mid wife nurses? i just think its totally unjust how every sick person is being treated by this uncaring Government.

    Comment by Kazy — December 7, 2012 @ 10:49 am

  656. It’s all a con Kazy, just one big con.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 7, 2012 @ 4:27 pm

  657. Ive actualy had a reply from them saying they cant tell me who the assessor will be as they work on a pool system for whoever is free when you turn up. Im not sure if this is a lie so they dont have to tell me but they said info will be avaliable on the day if i want it, and told me some bs about them being medialy trained and having special training for atos, what they fail to mention is that trainig is just 3 days. Im not sure what to do now as i dont want to end up with some bloody midwife that has no idea about joints and ligaments.
    These people are scum, they really are. There only working for atos cos they cant get a job anywhere else cos there crap at it. The only reason why DWP have kept them is cos they cause so many people to give up trying even when there entitled to it. Im pretty sure all this is illgal in European law but after the police stop and search law being found illigal but there gonna keep doing it anyway it sonds like they dont care.

    Comment by Hayley — December 8, 2012 @ 6:55 am

  658. hello ty’
    i would suggest to you that yo should demand a home visit tell them you have problems with open spaces i have this and then get your doctor to write you a letter, i have the same problems can’t be around groups of people etc….just be adamant and ask for a home visit and keep appeal;ing the visit to the place, they will class you as capable otherwise anyway to get their extra bonus from vulnerable people nazi’s

    Comment by Anonymous — December 8, 2012 @ 1:12 pm

  659. I had asked for a home visit my Doctor even sent them a supportive letter about my condition but it all went on deaf ears? i was sent a letter from Atos saying i still needed to attend or my Benefits would be stopped? i was really up-set by their attitude and its NO wonder many sick people attending these assessments are coming on forums like this and telling everyone what ATOS are really like.

    I have a member of my family taking me to my appointment so they better watch out…

    Comment by Kazy — December 8, 2012 @ 2:57 pm

  660. If it said on the Doctors letter that you should get a home visit then personally I would not go, but insist again on a home visit.
    They always send letters like that to frighten people, but again the choice is yours, I’m just saying they wouldn’t intimidate me with threats.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 8, 2012 @ 3:27 pm

  661. Actually that may well be true Hayley, that they work on a pool system, the reason why they can do this is because they don’t read the GPs reports anyway, just a quick scan of the persons ESA50 Questionnaire.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 8, 2012 @ 3:29 pm

  662. Well had went to my assessment a few days ago and the male assessor was very strict with me, i had went on my own but wasn’t feeling very well and tired i just sat on the chair while he asked many questions, when i said i was unable to get up he insisted on moving me to the couch which had little steps but i had a feeling that this was another way of testing my ability of walking on ladder’s?

    All in all it went okay, but i had to wait an hour before being seen?

    Comment by Kazy — December 12, 2012 @ 1:35 pm

  663. hello,
    just letting you know i don’t know if this applies for all areas, after having atos pester me all aug/sept and me to trying to get a home visit and turning me down on the grounds i am physically capable of getting to the assessment centre, then having them lie to dwp which they denied the other day when i phoned saying it was dwp who had lied about me i received a letter to say i have to go for an assessment at their centre so told them i was unable to attend, they said that wasn’t for me to decide!!!!and have to get a letter from my doctor(de ja vu)i was told that their new rules now are that you can only have the assessment put back once now and if i don’t go they will inform dwp who will stop all benefits i don’t know why they ask for doctors letters regarding disabilities as they turned me down 3 times last time as i said the tribunal read the letter(s)had to send 3/4 from my doctor and still said i was fit enough to travel there why bother asking for a doctors letter?????are they trying to rack up profits for christmas maybe?does the head of atos need a new holiday home in the maldives perchance?so i am back to square one and now fretting about having money stopped in the new year, i did tell him that the only way i would be able to get there is if they fly me there he replied we don’t care how you get here so long as you turn up, why is this still going on? why are the newpapers spewing out all these negatives reports about x amount of people falsely claiming disability are the governmet falsely giving this information or is it atos so that is justifies the treatment of us all?why not go the whole hog ship us all off in cattle trains to the camps they wish they have had built! claire

    Comment by Anonymous — December 13, 2012 @ 2:05 pm

  664. Anonymous.

    The camps might be getting built at this moment for all we know..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 13, 2012 @ 5:17 pm

  665. Hi dwpexamination

    I have just had the recording back from my sister who came with me to my assessment, i had followed everything from your experience from entering the Atos building and being observed while in the waiting room. My sister had came in with me into the examination room the Dr seemed okay but i was always wary of his actions towards me.

    I had become breathless and had nearly passed out in the middle of the examination, the Dr had said i should go into Support Group even though i thought it was the DM that makes that decision No?

    Anyway that was clearly recorded so if i do need to challenge anything with an appeal, will i be able to use this recording to prove what the HCP had said?

    I’m still awaiting the results.

    Comment by Kazy — December 16, 2012 @ 1:24 pm

  666. Sorry if my other post was confusing 12 Dec comment?

    i meant to say i did not go in alone

    Comment by Kazy — December 16, 2012 @ 1:34 pm

  667. Hi Kazy.

    If the DWP find you fit for work and obviously you are going to appeal then mentioning that your recording of the assessment isn’t tallying with the decision makers decision to find you work fit.
    Since the DWP decision makers always reconsider whether you have asked for a reconsideration or not then a veiled threat in there will not harm your chances, if the worst comes to the worst then during an appeal hearing mentioning you have such and such recorded will not harm your chances either.
    By the way, it’s up to the tribunal whether they want to hear it or not, sometimes they do but most often decline.
    We have found that even if the ATOS HCP agrees with the claimant that they are to ill to work and informs the DWP, some over zealous decision makers still overrule them, it’s rare but has happened, it’s obvious that the decision maker is forcing the claimant to either accept what they say or insist on going on to an appeal hearing.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 16, 2012 @ 1:48 pm

  668. hello,
    an update for you on my ordeal, it took me 3 weeks to get an appointment with my doctor(which is an average for them)to get my note to ask for a home visit, it then took the doctors a week and a half to get it faxed through, by the time t=it had been sorted atos sent me a letter out the day before my allotted assessment i phoned them up to tell them i wouldn’t be able to get to the assessment, do they purposely hire rude assholes or are they trained prior to the job to be as rude as possible?as this bloke was incredibly rude to me whilst i spoke to him, are they hoping that if they are incredibly rude that if the person they are speaking to is emotionally vulnerable if they are incredibly rude to them is the hope they will just top themselves as it isn’t enough that your mad to feel inadequate as it is, i was turned down for a home visit and this twat said well if you can leave your home to phone here you are obviously capable of coming to an assessment, bearing in mind the phone is about 40 seconds away and the assessment centre is a 40 minute drive away, they told me they would pay for a taxi for me to get there and i said i cannot sit in a prone position for that length of time,then this asshole said our ‘doctors’have decided you are fit enough to sit that length of time without a problem, how the hell do they know how long i can or cannot sit for? he told me i was just being awkward on purposeand told me i shall have my benefits stopped now because i am being difficult on purpose. I am sick to death of being treated like i am faking my disabilities and should be showing complete gratitude to atos for allowing me to continue on my paultry allowance.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 5, 2013 @ 11:56 am

  669. Hello Anonymous.

    I suspect the person was rude because he/she can’t do the job in a civil manner because it’s impossible to do that kind of job in a civil manner, the chances are you were just another person in a long line of persons that week who are demanding their rights, and they don’t want to hear that, they want you to comply like sheep and do as your told.

    It used to be easy for them, just phone the claimant and tell them such and such IS THE WAY IT IS and you will jump when spoken too (Or you’ll lose your benefits) and the sheep would say ”HOW HIGH DO YOU WANT ME TO JUMP”
    That’s not possible any longer because everyone knows now they are being conned and these people are compulsive liars, dignity and self respect comes before money, there’s only so much browbeating a human being can take before they react.

    ATOS and the DWP are digging a big gigantic hole for themselves, and there’s no way back now, no one in the future will trust anything they say.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 5, 2013 @ 1:15 pm

  670. People don’t lose heart, fight fight fight.

    This is an example of how flawed and corrupt the system is.

    I having worked all my life had to fight for two years and two court appeal appearances before getting what I was entitled to. Less than three months later I am being assessed again.

    My wife who also worked full time on till injured at work and having to have an artificial disc placed in her back, was assessed and granted lower rate care and full mobility but less than two months later she was called in for assessment for incapacity benefit, awarded no points and taken off the benefit completely pending an appeal.

    The so called professionals who are being entrusted to perform these examinations are not interested in what is wrong with people, only in the bonuses and targets they are having to reach.

    Don’t lose hope keep fighting and justice should prevail.

    Comment by Kev — January 5, 2013 @ 2:46 pm

  671. The Tory lies and deception are being exposed every day Kev.


    Comment by dwpexamination — January 5, 2013 @ 8:09 pm

  672. hello,
    i don’t think it is getting through enough to people out there, society on the whole still have a negative perception of people on disabilities, i hear it when ever i go into shops and hear the staff slagging off people on disabilities to hear them talk, the disabled are swanning off every week on holiday to the bahamas on their 60 foot yachts payed for by the hard working cashiers of tesco’s and icelands, i get really peeved when i hear this, but there is no point trying to change their minds because what they read in the sun and the mail is gospel truth to them and wont have it any other way, i don’t know how other people on benefits can afford i phones and widescreen tv’s i can’t even afford to buy myself any new shoes, clothes or decent food, plus being on incapacity means you have to pay for your own dentist and prescriptions, so cannot go to the dentists as i can’t afford such luxuries as fillings and new teeth, when will they be bringing in the dodgy bloke with pliers in the town centres who for 2 groats will pull a tooth for you? claire

    Comment by Anonymous — January 6, 2013 @ 1:10 pm

  673. Claire.

    Anyone on benefits who can afford new shoes, clothes and wide screen TVs is not purchasing them with benefit money, which leads to only one other conclusion where they can possibly get the money from.

    They might well bring in the dodgy bloke with pliers to rip your teeth out for a couple of groats, I know a bloke up in Glasgow who will do it for a groat, hell some of these Tories would do it for nothing, just for the pleasure of hearing you squeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 6, 2013 @ 1:32 pm

  674. Come to liverpool i have a dentist who will do it for 2 shillings!!!

    Comment by Anonymous — January 6, 2013 @ 5:01 pm

  675. does the dentist in liverpool work in a dirty back alley?festooned with empty whisky bottles tinkling in the wind. ha ha, claire

    Comment by Anonymous — January 7, 2013 @ 1:09 pm

  676. Yea he does, i take it youve seen him already!! Ha ha

    Comment by Anonymous — January 7, 2013 @ 1:23 pm

  677. New year, same old crap, after a rotten Christmas and new year, due to my Mother in law being gravely ill, as well as my Father in law being diagnosed with lung cancer, and my rabbit being hospitalised, no surprise the letter of hell comes through the door, the dreaded LIMITED CAPABILITY FOR WORK Questionnaire.
    No job to even go back to as the hospital terminated my contract in July, after having two years off sick with crohns disease, and many other medical problems.
    I now have 25 years of hospital occupational health notes to add to appeal bundle that i will be sending in respect of this current ESA DISPUTE, i have been in the support group for 9 months, after they reconsidered my last WRAG group placement.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — January 10, 2013 @ 3:34 pm

  678. It’s a never ending nightmare for everyone, doesn’t matter what group we are in they will be back one day to haunt us..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 10, 2013 @ 4:39 pm

  679. 25 years of nurse occupational health files to send, how i have struggled with long term health problems, and struggled with my job, should be interesting with reference to getting the lot photo copied and sent.
    Who is going to employ me again nobody ever, i got 18 points with reference to the last lot, points were not even given to my long term medical problems.
    I AM GOING AHEAD OF MYSELF because the questionnaire has not got to be back until 8th February 2013, but we all know the events before they happen,

    Comment by alisonsgypt — January 10, 2013 @ 6:05 pm

  680. Drag your feet for as long as possible, that’s what they do, and when they phone to remind you to complete your form, you can answer what are you talking about it’s in the post, maybe it’s lost then could you send me a new form to fill in.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 10, 2013 @ 6:27 pm

  681. My sister had received her questionnaire in December, put her claim in at the end of October, she has still not been payed, they have told her it might take another 6 weeks before she gets paid.,

    Comment by alisonsgypt — January 10, 2013 @ 6:42 pm

  682. The phone will also be an issue, because i told them that when i am seriously depressed i just take the telephone of the hook for days, as i cant cope with talking to people, they probably tried to contact me by phone last time, but it was always off the hook, i disclosed this issue to the Nurse at my last medical, she said it was a big issue, and did write it in my medical report,

    Comment by alisonsgypt — January 10, 2013 @ 6:48 pm

  683. Well they drag it out for as long as possible, maybe hoping you’ll give up with frustration or the sheer stress of it all.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 10, 2013 @ 6:49 pm

  684. Just to give you an example of the lies and corruption you are up against.

    My wife was recently awarded mobility which as you all know means that when you are assessed for this benefit you have to be virtually unable to walk.

    Anyway my wife was sent the forms and on a medical at Warrington for the new employment support allowance. During the medical which my wife attended on crutches she sat in the chair, could not get on the raised bed that she was asked to do and the only thing that was done to her was a stress test by hand on her legs.

    Cut to three weeks later and my wife was informed in the letter by the dwp or whoever they are that she had been taken off the benefit, assessed fit for work and gained zero points at the medical examination.

    Amongst the lies that the nurse who had examined her had put on the form, my wife could happily walk for 200m around our garden, I wish we had a garden that big, try 30 meters at most but this is irrelevant as my wife was not asked such questions which were filled in by the nurse. Just to add to the total incompetence of these clowns all they had to do is cross reference with the mobility team which could have saved a lot of time and trouble.

    Needless to say my wife is appealing this decision and now awaiting a response from the cheats and liars who are acting as henchmen for the clowns in government.

    I need to point out my wife like me has worked hard all her life and paid reticula’s taxes forced upon us in this country and not a serial benefit cheat like many people who have never worked a day.

    Comment by Kev — January 11, 2013 @ 10:29 am

  685. Hello Kev.

    That example can be replicated thousands upon thousands of times all over Britain, almost every ESA85 report emanating from ATOS and heading over to the corrupt DWP decision maker to be rubber stamped is a complete fabrication, someone said a festival of lies.

    Everyone knows these reports are fabricated, people have lost appeal hearings because they didn’t understand what was happening to them, and when the appeal panel are asked for a statement of reasons on why the claimants benefits were disallowed a common answer is that they preferred the ATOS assessors version as opposed to the claimants GP or consultants version.

    To my mind that is a criminal act, because every single person be it Doctor or Judge who sits on these appeal panels day in day out have got the message a long time ago that ATOS are a criminal organisation and are deliberately fabricating ESA85 assessment reports to deny claimants lawful rights to benefits.

    So this means that the appeal panels are in on the scam as well, the fact that some peoples appeals are allowed is just a cover, because it wouldn’t look very good if every appeal was disallowed.

    The DWP themselves say that around 30% win their appeals and rising to 70% winning their appeals if represented by a trained welfare rights officer or CAB officer, this is a joke and has to end immediately, 99% of claimants should be winning their appeals for ESA because 99% of the ESA85 assessment reports from ATOS are fake and therefore illegal.

    Britain is a joke country with a joke Government aided and abetted by a couple of hundred thousand money grabbing sycophantic civil servants who are in up to their necks in corruption.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 11, 2013 @ 11:21 am

  686. I just finished the first draft of my appeal statement. Its currently standing at 20 pages. And thats without all the exhibits to add in, ie medical evidence, letters, info on medical conditions. And whatever other arguments I manage to find. They pulled me to bits in the assessment so Im pulling their assessment and process to bits. Of course all this time and money being spent on this ridiculous farce could be being put into the NHS instead of hospitals and specialist centres being closed all over the country making people who might have a chance of working again, having to wait longer on that possibility. It just all makes me so angry.

    Comment by Shanmoo — January 11, 2013 @ 10:38 pm

  687. Shanmoo.

    Your on the right road and giving yourself the best chance, yes it just makes us all so angry.
    What a bunch of criminals eh ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 12, 2013 @ 12:19 am

  688. i would like to know why it is that this is still going on, why is the media still listening to the crap from the government about dole scroungers and people falsely claiming disability why isn’t this corruption being given the attention of the media?claire

    Comment by Anonymous — January 13, 2013 @ 3:11 pm

  689. Hello Anonymous.

    That’s a good question, why would the Daily mail, the Express and the Sun newspapers aid and abet a criminal Government ? what’s in it for them ?.
    Well Mr Monbiot of the Guardian newspaper explains the Adams institute (Who are supposed to be impartial and non partisan but are anything but) why it was set up who really runs it and what they are doing.


    After reading that you will know why the Daily mail and these other papers swing the hammer with great gusto against welfare recipients and the NHS.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 13, 2013 @ 3:37 pm

  690. I complained about the nurse to the nursing and midwifery council, tried to complain to the general medical council but they said the doctor only kept the records so I needed to make a complaint against the nurse to the NMA so I did. After 6 months I got a letter saying that she had never had any complaints against her before and was backed by the doctor!!!Needless to say the case was closed but at the time I had won my tribunal, went into the wrag group and am got the support I needed from a very nice disability officer at the job centre plus and am now self employed( I could never cope with the stress of working for anyone) so I can work the hours I want when I want and am on working tax credit with disability so I have managed to get away from ATOS for the time being. It was all a vicious circle but at least I did it so whatever the outcome I got my views across and I am sure that if everyone did it they would eventually have to sit up and respond and who knows maybe in some way my complaint and others is slowly having an effect.SO COMPLAIN,COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN, I know it is almost impossible when you are so ill as I remember being in bed a lot of the time while appealing, still do have to rest often for half the day. ATOS , the government are bullies. It is sad we live in a society that does not care about those who are fragile. My friend is one of the lucky few who suffers type one bipolar and atos sent them a questionnaire and they got to keep all their ,many benefits, such an unfair system.It would appear that a few get many benefits while others who are very ill and being denied them.

    Comment by anonymous — January 16, 2013 @ 12:54 pm

  691. hello,
    can anyone offer me some advice, as i have said previously i have been hounded by atos to go to an assessment since september, i have sent countless doctors letters to say i cannot travel there(which have been ignored)(also my doctor now has got fed up with writing me letters and has become very unsympathetic to my physical problems and the fact that i cannot travel there)the last time they hassled me they told me i couldn’t get a home visit as it costs them too much money to send a “doctor” out to me, so have decided i can travel there by taxi this was their “doctors”decision, i have chronic arthritis, hip displacia, crumbling spine plus for the past 4 and a half years i have been a victim of abuse threats, death threats etc…by a neighbour which has left me with a phobia of people and going out i was sent a letter from dwp asking to