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An Interesting news article

http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

I have recently discovered this news article I have reproduced it here as I think it has great bearing on our situation.

Acknowledgement;

The article below is taken from the Mailonline website

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1021686/How-doctors-like-punished-exposing-sicknote-scroungers-whistleblower.html

How doctors like me are punished for exposing sicknote

scroungers, by a whistleblower

By Dr Jakes Branton
Last updated at 10:31 PM on 24th May 2008

Barely able to walk, the 55-year-old man entered my examination room clutching a walking stick and leaning on a friend for support. I was told I couldn’t touch him because he was in so much pain. ‘What’s wrong?’ I asked him. ‘I’ve got chronic fatigue syndrome, doctor,’ he wheezed. ‘I’m in agony. If someone so much as touches me I get a searing pain through my body. I’m not sure I can bear much more of this.’ My job was to assess whether the patient, a former factory worker, qualified for incapacity benefit.  

On the face of it, this looked like an open-and-shut case – but then I peered a little closer. For a man who didn’t get out much my patient had a surprisingly good tan. He also had calloused hands and broken nails which indicated recent manual work. A few standard questions revealed he managed to do his own shopping, take the rubbish out and still had the energy to drive a car. Within five minutes, I realised this man was faking it – trying to avoid work and secure himself £87.50 a week in benefits.

There are many others like him and there is even a comedy character based on the most extreme examples: millions of TV viewers are familiar with Little Britain’s Andy, who pretends he is wheelchair-bound but who walks around freely the moment his carer Lou’s back is turned.

The right thing to have done, of course, was to file a report stating my findings. But nothing is that simple in the weird world of incapacity benefit. In fact, incredible as it sounds, doctors who report false claims are actually punished and risk losing their jobs. As a result, every year more than 70,000 people fit enough to work are given the go-ahead to claim benefits – saddling the taxpayer with an annual bill in excess of £300million. I should know. For blowing the whistle on this ridiculous state of affairs I was suspended by my company, Atos Origin. I later left and I am now taking the company to an employment tribunal.

A French conglomerate, Atos has a £500million contract with the Department of Work and Pensions to carry out checks on patients claiming incapacity benefit. Currently, people are entitled to statutory sick pay for up to 28 weeks. All they require to claim this is a certificate from their GP. After this period, the DWP sends a file to Atos. Up to 60 per cent of people are weeded out immediately as having clear disabilities and are automatically awarded benefits. But the remaining cases, which are regarded as borderline, are referred to Atos examination centres so that doctors like me can assess them.

In total, around 30,000 patients are seen every month. But there are two main problems. The first is a lack of information. Despite the patient’s GPs in theory being obliged to supply notes about their case, doctors like me often receive little more than a two-word assessment such as ‘back pain’ and frequently nothing at all. What’s more, Atos actively discourages its doctors from calling GPs and requesting more information because it believes this takes up too much time. This wouldn’t matter so much if we were allowed time to conduct a thorough examination. But unfortunately most of each 25-minute appointment is taken up with a questionnaire from Atos, leaving little more than a couple of minutes for physical checks in most cases. This is simply not enough time to verify a patient’s claim.

Even in those cases when it’s obvious that a patient is lying, doctors find themselves compromised. The reason? Government targets. Under the contract drawn up between the DWP and Atos, there are a large number of financial incentives for meeting targets across a broad range of measures. One of these targets concerns the number of complaints from patients. If the company keeps the complaints from claimants below a certain level then it makes more money.Conversely, if the complaints rise, it loses money. There is, therefore, an in-built incentive to avoid aggravating the patients.

Doctors soon find out that if they give a claimant low scores and the claimant is denied benefits, they are more likely to find themselves the subject of a complaint. These patients, after all, are not visiting examination centres to be given medicine or treatment – they are there to get money. If they don’t get the money they’re not going to be happy. And if a doctor at Atos racks up more than three complaints in three months, he is disciplined. First, he is warned by his supervisor. If the problems persist he is given, in effect, a final warning that his work will be cut or that his registration to work will be revoked.

Against that kind of backdrop, Atos doctors soon work out that low scores mean trouble. What’s more, they have their own incomes to consider. When I was there I was paid £40 per appointment. If I worked hard, I could earn £4,500 a week. Some of my colleagues pulled in as much as £5,000. They weren’t keen to upset the apple cart and I don’t blame them. Even the civil servants at the DWP were complicit. They wanted to avoid complaints clogging up the system and, when I was at Atos, I was often called by the DWP and asked to bump up a patient’s score. I was never asked to downgrade a score.

When Atos won a new contract from the DWP in 2005, my colleagues and I were told that management was going to have a ‘zero-tolerance’ approach to meeting targets. Sadly, they didn’t mean they were targeting bogus or mistaken claimants – no, they were more concerned with the doctors who wanted to weed those kind of claimants out of the system. That year I received my most serious complaint after failing someone who was taking double the required dose of his medicine and mixing it with whisky. The medication was not meant to be mixed with alcohol and I reported this back to his doctor. But saving patients from killing themselves, apparently, was not my job. The patient complained, the company investigated and, amazingly, found in his favour.

This helped crystallise concerns in my own mind and I went to my supervisor, Dr Gail Young. She took me seriously and agreed to investigate. Her subsequent analysis of the statistics showed a clear correlation between claimants who were denied benefits and complaints made. But, even with this evidence, the Atos management did not want to know.

The reason was obvious: if they acknowledged the problem – and, worse, if it became public – it would endanger their contract with the DWP. By March 2007, both Dr Young and I realised we had a duty to the taxpayer to blow the whistle on this sham. Dr Young was already on sick leave because of stress when I had my final meeting with local managers. They refused to commission an independent investigation. A couple of days later we sent letters to the then Prime Minister, Tony Blair, David Cameron, the DWP and senior Atos management. We were both suspended and Dr Young later resigned.

An Atos investigation flatly denied our allegations even though an independent statistician who was called into assess the investigation suggested there was a relationship between complaints and unfavourable reports from doctors. Atos maintained doctors did not alter their scores.

Both Dr Young and I are now confronting the company before an employment tribunal. She is claiming constructive dismissal and I am claiming for loss of earnings. But there is much more at stake here than our careers.

Not only is the system wasting a huge amount of taxpayers’ money, it’s also encouraging a culture of dependency and all the evidence shows that people placed wrongly on benefits become unemployable, depressed and subject to many real health problems.

If we succeed in changing this culture, then we feel our decision to speak out will have been worth it.

• Last night the DWP said: ‘This matter is between Atos and the tribunal, not DWP. Our target is to get a million more people off incapacity benefits by 2015 with tests and back-towork support focused on what people can do, not what they can’t. Last year 31,000 more people came off incapacity benefits and got into work.’

 

 

53 Comments »

  1. What happened to this?

    Personally,I would imagine ATOS settling out of court (in fact, it may all have been an act to get people to think ATOS is not kicking people off the sick who should be on it….)

    Did the tribunal reach a decision, or did it mysteriously disapear, with some sort of out of court type payment from ATOS… Make your own mind up if this was a publicity stunt, or not, after finding out what happened to the tribunal.. I cant seem to find out…

    Comment by Anonymous — June 11, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

  2. Thanks for that Anonymous. I’m glad someone else is looking too, I cant find it either. I suspect if ATOS did settle on the steps, the liklihood of it reaching the press would be minimal. One woiuld imagine that there would also have been some sort of gagging clause or payment, maybe even a combination of both, I dont know. The Government certainly dont want too much attention to this in the press, thats why I started this blog. Thanks for bringing it to my attention though, I’ll keep plugging away at it and may even make a freedom of information request for the result, I might even contact the paper to see if they know anything. The upshot is that publicity linked to ATOS and our present Government is not good news for them. ATOS know thier “clients” do not have contact outside thier influence and prefer to keep it that way, I’m sure this blog is a right pain in thier arses, but I am not going to stop trying to expose these fools for what they are, nothing but paid Government lackeys selling themselves down the river for money. What happened to the Hypocratical Oath for gods sake?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 12, 2009 @ 7:11 am

  3. I want to know how long you have to complain about what is in a medical report. In 2003 a doctor’ said he could find no evidence to support my claim and he even stated I was attractive – VERY unproffessional and HIGHLY irrelevant ! I only found out recently but I am so angry and distressed at this I want to know if there is anything I can do about it. Any advice would be appreciated.

    Comment by Missy — June 16, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

  4. Shocking, The general advice given is to register your complaint at the earliest possible opportunity. In my case I did so as soon as the “decision maker” informed me my benifits were suspended. I am no legal expert and have never claimed to be, and as such cannot give accurate advice on your personal circumstances, however, it may be worth you while approaching your local advice centre in the first place, they are fwr more qualified than I am. Secondly, if they feel your case is worth pursuing, then your next step would be to seek council from a solicitor. Good luck.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 17, 2009 @ 7:07 am

  5. Thank you for such a fast response. I did continue to receive benefits and still do to date so clearly the decision maker was entirely convinced – thankfully. I am just so shocked at some of the things stated in past reports that I only found out recently after requesting copies of all the old medical reports that may be available for the last ten years. I advise anyone I know and on forums to get copies now as I don’t think it is widely known. I have a medical again soon so I will definitely be asking for a copy as soon as the interview is over this time. Once again thanks and keep up the good work with the site especially now that the whole IB system is under such radical and threatening review. We need all the help we can get and forewarned is forearmed :)

    Comment by Missy — June 17, 2009 @ 1:11 pm

  6. Youre welcome, next time you have a medical, take a trusted friend along with you. Get them to make notes including the start and end time of your examination. At the end of your examination ask the alleged “Doctor” to read back thier findings so you can correct any inconsistancies. When they refuse, ask your friend to make a note of thier excuse. Do not antagonise them, answer thier questions as fully as you can and if you are interrupted, remind them it is thier duty to hear you out. As for sexual harrasment, dont tolerate it, leave immediately, make it known to the receptionist why you are leaving and embarras them as mush as the do you. Then report it to the police.Good luck, spread the good word and thanks for your comments.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 17, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

  7. Its anonymous again ;)

    I found out a little about the result of the tribunal, they failed.

    They may face record costs, highest ever….

    “the doctors were found in a 60 page judgement to have ‘repeatedly lied to the employment tribunal, to have made some of their allegations in bad-faith and to have made complaints, some of which were absurd’.”

    What is interesting, as I never believed a word they said (as I have never had results back yet from a ATOS medical that went in my favour, and they all were the opposite of what these doctors were saying,ie not trying to get me on the sick, rather kick me off instead) is what they did after the tribunal.

    It is very revealing, for 2 doctors that think people its wrong people were staying on benefits, why on earth would they set up a company offering paid advice to claimaints to help them pass!

    65 quid a shot for advice to help people pass the medical system? When they claimed ATOS was passing to many people and they said it was wrong, its not making sense their actions is it…

    more info at
    http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/latest-news/1080-former-atos-doctors-face-record-costs-for-failed-tribunal-

    Comment by thinkpad — June 20, 2009 @ 9:10 am

  8. Mmmm, interesting, makes you think doesnt it. I wonder if this is (has already been suggested) a put up job by ATOS? Oooops, better slap that paranpoia down before all hell breaks loose. It will be worth watching though. Thanks for the link Anonymous, keep up the good work…..

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 20, 2009 @ 9:23 am

  9. back again..

    A little more news found on the net.
    ATOS is even being mentioned by the powers that be, in the welfare reform debate it was stated

    watch it, 54 minutes in, at http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=4302

    “May I remind the Noble Barroness of the letter I read out to Lord McKenzie last time we were sitting, and can I say that since I read that letter out I have had numerous emails from people not just with ME but with all sorts of conditions who have been roughly treated by ATOS. Im extremely unhappy about it.. and in fact while Im on my feet may I ask the Noble Baroness if she will arrange for us to have a meeting again with ATOS to find out exactly what their up to.
    Because were getting very very bad reports, and not just one or two – there are numerous bad reports about how ATOS is treating their claimaints.”"

    Comment by anonymous — June 30, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

  10. Thanks again Anonymous, well done and keep up the good work. The more we complain about these fools the more likely it is that something will be done about thier callous methods of operation.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 1, 2009 @ 7:36 am

  11. MMnn was reading the above,may i remind the noble barroness,and lets have a meeting and pow wow with ATOS etc,that sounds positive,for a change,well that was over 9 months ago,and since then things have got worse,yes worse,sounds to me,all talk and no action…or they had a meeting and believed everything the ATOS liers told them…was citizens advice,various social work departments,disability alliance,et al,where they invited to this nominal meeting…I can tell you no,thats to much like hard work,HEY they might ask awkward questions old boy…another thing that gets right up my nose,is the STATEMENT we have a million targets etc,there shoudn’t be any targets,a person is either fit for work,or not fit for work…the very fact this lot are spouting about targets,shows it all up for what it is…A SHAM AND A JOKE,they would sell their FUCKEN GRANNIES and they dont fool us for one minute…CHEERS DAVID.

    Comment by David — March 21, 2010 @ 12:37 pm

  12. This article has really confused me.

    Is it really from an ex ‘doctor’ of ATOS,or is it from the Government?

    I ask this becasuse, after lots of research, and reading different people’s stories,
    on many forums – they all seem to get low points, and are rejected. And yet, this
    ‘doctor’ claims that they are told to pass people.

    Is this a mole?

    Comment by goody66 — June 20, 2010 @ 2:49 pm

  13. Hello Goody66.

    Well you can be rest assured this pair are liars, i can refer you to their subsequent behaviour, this pair of miscreants started up a website on how to pass the ATOS assessment, cant remember what they charged, something like £60 or £70 or even more.

    So what does that tell you about their integrity..!!

    Comment by David — June 20, 2010 @ 3:58 pm

  14. Thank you for your reply

    It had too many inconsistencies, to be a true article

    How pathetic!!!!!

    Comment by goody66 — June 20, 2010 @ 5:16 pm

  15. Hi

    If you want to make a comment to our minister for health, you can sign the petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/12buckle/petition.html and let them know what you think of their new welfare reformd.

    CHEERS DAVID.

    Comment by David — June 20, 2010 @ 5:45 pm

  16. Thank you for that – I will

    I have alos written to DWP – and cc’d ATOS, Minister of Health, David Cameron, and my local MP

    I am so angry that I have to have a medical to prove I have problems

    Below is a copy of my letter:

    Dear Sir/Madam

    Ref: ***********

    Please find enclosed a copy of a letter from my GP, regarding my attendance for a medical.

    I am surprised that you do not seem to have a copy of the letter I have already sent to you at your request.
    It was sent to Belfast, who assured me that you, ATOS would have it in your records.

    It concerns me that the examiner carrying out my assessment will not have total knowledge of my day to day problems and issues with my health.

    I understand that I need to have a meeting to confirm my circumstances, but with the witness testimonies from both my surgeon and GP, I am confused as to why an outside body such as ATOS, has been requested to assess my condition, when it is all ready on record with two professional medical advisors, who are fully aware, and can furnish who is employing ATOS with any assessments regarding my condition.

    I will expect to see evidence of the examiners competence and have proof of their skills relating to back trauma and pain control.

    I would like to make you aware, that you have a duty of care towards me, and not only am I facing a lifetime of chronic back pain, and career problems, which has resulted in a loss of earnings, and a lower standard of living, but I am struggling to come to terms with high levels of stress, which are only compounded by being requested to attend assessments like this and continually troubled by lack of payments, after I have paid into the system all of my working life.

    A brief history of medical problems:
    July 1992 – Discectomy
    July 2006 – Discetomy
    May 2007 – Laparoscopy
    January 2008 – Tonsillectomy
    January 2009 – Total Hysterectomy
    August 2009 – Discectomy

    As you will be sending a qualified doctor in the back problems field, they will no doubt have requested all of my medical records from my surgeon and GP, so that we can discuss them at length at the meeting.

    Yours faithfully

    *************

    Cc. David Cameron – Prime Minister
    John McDonnell – Hayes and Harlington MP
    Andrew Lansley – Secretary of State for Health
    Belfast Benefit Delivery Centre (Jobcentre Plus)

    Comment by goody66 — June 20, 2010 @ 5:50 pm

  17. Hello Goody66

    Yes and your not the only one thats angry, if you look through the different pages in this site, you can see your not alone, so dont be surprised if you fail the assessment test, people with terminal cancer, brain tumours, going in for major heart surgery are being told they are fit for active duties, if this happens to you, then just appeal and take the assessment rate till the tribunal date.

    Dont get upset about it, and dont take it personally, everybody knows it’s a sham even the tribunal judges, so if the worse comes to the worse, and you get the bad news from the decision maker, phone up the job centre that deals with your claim, and get whats called a GL 24 form and at the same time the ESA 85 ATOS Doctors report, look through it and you will see mistake after mistake, the reason for the mistakes, well they are on a bonus system, and have to bash out the report as fast as they can, to make as much money as they can, that believe it or not helps you, and now you can start the appeal.

    Ok thats out the way, next thing to tell you, when you go for the assessment, and show the ATOS HCP your GPs report, he/she will photocopy it, just make sure you get it back, they will ask you to sign for it showing you recieved it back and thats fine

    Next thing i have to tell you is they dont even look at it, and they dont send it on to the DWP decision maker either, because it’s all a con.

    When you appeal and recieve your ATOS report ESA 85, you will see a box of evidence that you are supposed to have provided , your GPs report will almost certainly not be ticked on one of the boxes, trying to make out you did not provide enough evidence.
    Of course you will mention you did provide extra evidence at the assessment and why was the box not ticked, basicaly what i’m saying is play along with their sad little game, dont argue with them, their minds are closed, as i said it’s all a sham, and it feels like some kind of twisted logic, anyway thats how i started my appeal on the GL 24 form, thats the form that goe’s to the DM by the way.

    If you need advice in the future, there are plenty of people on this site with plenty of experience of these sadists, for instance i can provide some help in fillig out the GL 24 appeal form in the future if you need it.

    So make a coffee, sit down and watch the film on the tele, and dont bother yourself with letters to David Cameron and co, who are not/isn’t even going to read it.

    One last thing, are you aware of the EQUALITY and HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION, they are at this moment investigating various Government Departments for any malpractice towards the disabled and ill, you can Google in to ( EQUALITY and HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION commission call in evidence on disability-related harassment in Britain) and you will see their petition etc.

    (PS) Please excuse any spelling mistakes, because i bashed this out in 15 minutes flat. HA HA.

    Comment by David — June 20, 2010 @ 7:32 pm

  18. If you “pass” your PCA your benefits are stopped? passing the PCA means you are fit for work. To retain your rights to benefits and thus payments you must “fail”.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 21, 2010 @ 6:12 am

  19. OOPS.

    Sorry but i have to disagree with you dee dudya, and yes it’s very confusing..!!

    Comment by David — June 21, 2010 @ 7:44 am

  20. I may aswell not go to the medical if they are going to fail me anyway!

    But I know that will not help.

    I will however, say to my medical examiner ‘I do not see the point of this, because it
    has come to my attention through various websites, articles and investigations – that you
    will fail me anyway’

    Comment by goody66 — June 21, 2010 @ 8:00 am

  21. Morning Goody66.

    I can only tell you how i handled it, when i recieved my ESA 50, and you will notice as well on there, that it asks about your behaviour and how you react to strangers etc.

    I put on the form that i dont like people telling lies about me, meaning them of course, and letting ATOS know, albeit ambiguously that i’m on to them.

    Now first of all, you have to understand their twisted logic : To these people that is not a critisism of them. NO they can’t see it that way, they actually believe i’m talking about people in general, do you follow me here, these folk are living in cloud cuckoo land.

    So when i made the above remarks on my ESA 50, the doctor reads it and at the interview, asks questions in an underhand manner, to see what my problem is, because it never occurs to them, it could actually be them that’s the problem.

    And because the doctor thinks he’s smarter than me, he decides to ask me slyly worded questions to try and trick me, ok well thats fine, but he still hasn’t got a clue i’m on to him.

    I can give you an example to help clarify what i mean.
    He asked do you have any hobbies ? Now one has to be very careful how that question is answered, because answer it wrong, and i’m ready for active duties.

    Since i want to be truthful at the interview, and unlike them not tell lies, i answered it this way : I like playing chess, which i used to do a lot, but not for the last couple of years, due to my poor concentration.

    Thats fine he can except that, but here’s where he gets cute, he asked, have you tried playing on the internet ? in an offhand manner, like he was my pal.

    Mmmm…I thought, he really does believe i came down the thames in a banana boat..!!

    MY answer was, OH i cant play games on the internet, i’m sure it would be very demanding due to my concentration being so poor dont you agree doctor ? yes he says quite. (As he crushed his pencil)

    And i won that round.So my advice to anyone is this, go along to their sad little medical, play their sad little game, and dont give them an excuse to make you another statistic.

    And if you do fail the assessment, phone up your local welfare rights office, inform them you failed the test, and they will tell you just appeal, we will help, and win.

    Comment by David — June 21, 2010 @ 9:22 am

  22. Thank you David for all of your help so far.

    I am not so much worried about the medical – but more peeed off.

    I also am not sure who to have with me. I have a friend who can come, but not sure they are the best person.

    Anyway – it is on the 30th June – so have over a week to get my head around it.

    I expect they will only see me as a person ‘with a bad back’, and not somebody who has had 3 discectomies.

    Don’t get me wrong – I know there are worse people off than me – but it does all get me down.

    I have read on another forum – that my own GP could have put a stop to this if he had wanted to, because
    he receives a form from DWP/ATOS to stop issuing certs – is this true?

    Thank you again in advance

    Comment by goody66 — June 21, 2010 @ 9:29 am

  23. Hi goody66.

    I’m just back from my excercises in my local pool, you should try it, it,s great for your back, and you will be asked at the assessment what you do to help your backpain.

    Ok the answer to your question regarding your GP, he/she has no power to stop an ATOS capability assessment, but can advise you are fit for work, but if you have genuine back problems, that would be highly unlikely.

    I learned through the benefits and work website, ( It’s a fee paying site unfortunately )(But there’s some free info in there, if you want to have a look) that GPs all over Britain are sick fed up with the DWP and their idiotic demands, so some of them have decided not to comply with DWP wishes and fill in the forms correctly, i’m sure you can figure the reason why.

    You have just stated you have back problems, since i dont know you, it’s difficult to give you advice that you could use at the assessment.

    But what i can tell you, is this, you will be asked to bend your back to touch your knees, but if it’s the case that your back pain is so bad, that you have to bend your knees to touch your knees, then according to Commissioner Williams CIB/15262/1996 thats strong support for 15 points, also if your back pain is so bad that when rising from sitting, you have to hold on to the chair for support, then according to Commissioner Jacobs 9R (IB) 2/03 (CIB/1664/2002 can only rise by holding on to the chair etc which counts as holding on to something, then according to commissioner Jacobs then, rising and having to hold on to something is ultra vires, and thats support for 9 points. and may i remind you, that you must always be honest, that way you dont need a good memory, and you can keep your conscience clear.

    This is information they do not want you to have, but at the same time it’s public knowledge and is available on the internet.

    Rather reminds me of the beautiful song by the ( ozark mountain daredevils ) called ”It’s how you think” from the album ”men from earth” the words and i paraphrase from memory : ”There are people preaching their gods to me, yet… they give me books to read”
    also on the net.

    Anyway hope the above case law helps at any possible tribunal.

    Comment by David — June 21, 2010 @ 12:49 pm

  24. Hello again David

    I had a discectomy in 1992, one in 2006, and another one last year.

    Most days I can barely move about, and sorry to be so explicit – even struggle to get off the loo.
    I have to kneel to load the washing machine, getting up from a seat is not easy, getting out of bed is like
    a struggling tortoise and getting dressed with the aid of a coathanger. I can no longer cut my own toenails, and have
    started to put things in higher cupboards to save me trying to get them

    I have pain continually in my legs and lower back, but I have tried not taking as many painkillers as they were
    really affecting me.

    On the odd day, and I mean very odd day – I can get about a little better, but this far from means that
    I am pain free or tasks are that much easier

    Comment by goody66 — June 21, 2010 @ 1:05 pm

  25. Hi Goody twa six.

    OK Discectomy, removal of herniating disc etc, then you have absolutley no chance of bending your back to touch your knees, so if the worst comes to the worst, on the appeal papers you will be quaoting the above case law, and should win an appeal no problem.
    And all monies owed back-dated.

    Anyway with the symtoms you have described, they would have a cheek to find you fit for work, and they are very cheeky, they must, absolutley must get that £50 bonus at all costs.

    And i have to tell you this site was set up by DEE DUB YA EXAM who deserves a lot of credit because he’s not well himself, but made the effort to help others, so this site and the comments you may see is not meant to scare anyone, but rather to inform people with serious health problems, do not have any illusions regarding ATOS/DWP intentions.

    Comment by David — June 21, 2010 @ 1:33 pm

  26. Shhh dont let the cat out og the bag!!!!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 21, 2010 @ 1:51 pm

  27. Hi Goody twa six.

    I Was flicking through the other pages on this site, and Kenn has left a good e-mail address to contact for help, i had a look and it was English addresses, looks like a good site to contact, for support. http://www.speakingup.org/

    No good to me, i’m up in Scotland.

    Comment by David — June 21, 2010 @ 3:51 pm

  28. Well, I am now going in with the mind that I will fail.

    It has had me in knots for a whole week – and now I feel that it can’t take over
    my life anymore.

    So, David and all of you other lovely people on here – I need to pick your brains again
    if you do not mind

    So, waht happens when I fail. I know that I can appeal – but how do I survive financially in
    the meantime?

    Also, when my medical is over and done with – I am going to stay with a friend for a while,
    who is great support, and the change of scenery will do me good. Will staying in a different area
    for a while hurt my claims?

    Thank you all in advance

    Comment by goody66 — June 22, 2010 @ 8:30 am

  29. Howdy goody twa6.

    Ok assuming you fail, you have a choice, sign on for job seekers allowance, which obviously you cannot do, or appeal, which means you have to ask to be put on the assessment rate because you are appealing at being found fit for work.

    Both JCB, and the assessment rate are the same money, so it doesn’t take a veritable Einstein to work out what they are trying to do.

    As for staying with a friend for a little holiday, thats your business and nothing to do with them or anyone else, after all you are not leaving your address are you ?.

    So simply dont tell anyone, it’s no one elses concern.

    But if you are leaving your address that you provided to the DWP to live with someone (Which i presume you are not, (people do srange things when they are not thinking correctly) then obviously you have to provide that new address to the DWP ( I cant assume your intentions) so it stands to reason then, all rent and council tax rebates will stop at your last abode.

    DEE DUD YA has started a new forum under the name of nelson, he will anounce the details shortly, he’s tweeking it up at the moment, so watch this space for the details from nelson.

    Hope the above helped, so go away and relax, and let ATOS do the worrying.

    Comment by David — June 22, 2010 @ 9:01 am

  30. Hello again David

    You have become a good online friend.

    Nope – not planning to move. Maybe in the future when all is settled. But at the moment, fixed at my present abode.

    I owe you a drink lol

    Comment by goody66 — June 22, 2010 @ 9:06 am

  31. Hi Goody66.

    Just back from my pool excersises, and a little therapeutic swim.

    Watch out for Georgie Boy and his idiotic budget later on, nobody can predict what this twit is going to do next, was reading the Daily Mail online this morning, and i have to tell you first, the readership on there ( Most of them haven’t got a pot to piss in by the way ) were screaming for the torys to save them just before the election.

    And now that Georgie has anounced he’s going to swing his axe, the readership on the comments page are turning on each other, with comments like, See them about cuts, yes them over there, were not the problem they are, the immigrants, the crippled, the bankers, the unemployed, the middle classes, the upper classes, the work shy, anybody but me, because i’m special.

    THEY voted them in, and THEY have sown the wind, and now their going to reap the whirlwind.

    Comment by David — June 22, 2010 @ 11:48 am

  32. Am I allowed to contact you away from here?

    Comment by goody66 — June 22, 2010 @ 12:01 pm

  33. Forgot to mention, on the right hand side at the top of this page, you will notice ”ATOS medical assessment centres” click on that and see other comments on this site.

    In future i will be signing myself off as Joe Blogs, as have said on another page. ”I do not wish to be identified” Due to those bad people at the DWP. Ha Ha.

    Comment by David — June 22, 2010 @ 12:06 pm

  34. Hi Goody66

    The new forum will be starting soon, when dee dubya provides the details, you will be able to contact anyone who gives you an e-mail address, including myself, you must understand the DWP have a team who scour the inter-net looking for people to torment, thats why there is no e-mail addresses etc, for safety.

    Yours Faithfully your avid reporter Joe Blogs.

    Comment by David — June 22, 2010 @ 12:35 pm

  35. You need to speak to a Welfarw Rights Professional advisor to get your answers goody66.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 23, 2010 @ 6:10 am

  36. Well, I am going in now with the view that I am to fail.

    It really got to me – not just for me personally, but for all other genuine people too.

    I feel like saying to the examiner ‘do your worst – I know you will fail me, so lets get this over with asap’

    Comment by goody66 — June 23, 2010 @ 8:21 am

  37. Hi Goody66.

    I was where you are at, a year and a half ago, thats why i have the experience on their methods of operations, and can speak freely about them, the truth is i have taken everything they can throw at me, and there’s nothing left to throw.

    I have been there, i have seen the mountain, seen the promised land, i may not git there with ya etc. Ha Ha.

    Anyway you say your assessment is at the end of june, the doctor will tell you the DWP will let you know the result within a month, for me it was seven weeks, but some people have reported three months before they were informed of the result, so lets assume the worse then, thats at least five six weeks or more from now before your money is stopped, and you recieve the brown envelope, phone up immediately for the GL 24 form and as you are appealing, ask for the assessment rate, you will still get rent and council tax rebates paid as well etc.

    Cheers from Joe Blogs. (PS) New forum starting soon, details shortly.

    Comment by David — June 23, 2010 @ 10:02 am

  38. Goody twa 6.

    Forgot to say as dee dub has remarked above, you can’t beat professional advice from the welfare rights or the citizens advice, both these organisations are dealing with ATOS/DWP corruption day in day out, and have all the answers, well any answers that are possible to have.

    The people that are commenting on the web are just re-laying their experience with ATOS/DWP and trying to figure it all out, for instance when i was found fit for work by a midwife a year and a half ago, and read the ESA 85 medical report, i thought, she obviously got my report mixed up with someone else and the wrong name and national insurance number has been entered in.

    I found out that was not the case, but what shocked me the most was the laissez-faire thats just the way it is attitude everyone else had, as if lying on a medical report was somehow normal and we should all just put up with it.

    After all it’s happening to the other guy not me, it’s that guy with the mental problems, you know the no-hope guy, yes thats right him/her thats getting taken to the concentration camp not me, their the ones who are/thats going to get a wee jag in the paw, the best thing for him/her really, god forbid they might even start breeding alasdair old boy.

    Costing the country to much money old fruit.

    Cheers Joe Blogs.

    Comment by David — June 23, 2010 @ 10:30 am

  39. Hello Goody66.

    I can refer you to the new forum : Go to the top right hand side of this page where it says : DWPEXAMINATION forum now available and click, just follow the instructions to sign in.

    Cheers Joe Blogs.

    Comment by David — June 23, 2010 @ 10:43 pm

  40. Well, my appointment has been put back a week. And instead of it being local to me – I now have to travel to London!
    This is after I sent them a letter from my G.P asking to have the examination at home

    Comment by goody66 — July 2, 2010 @ 10:02 am

  41. They are going to force you to that assessment hook or by crook, and when you arrive thats zero points, because you got there by your own efforts, so you cant win.

    Turn up,and your fit for work and they cut your money, dont turn up and you didn’t comply with their instructions, and they cut your money.

    You just cant win..!!

    Comment by David — July 2, 2010 @ 1:14 pm

  42. And here’s the pair of lying charlatans.

    Their names are : Doctor James Branton and Doctor Gail Young. And their Company is IB Assist.

    A costly service supposed to help claimants successfully claim IB and ESA was set up by two former Atos doctors who lost their jobs after protesting that Atos was too soft on claimants. The company has since passed through several hands, including those of a burger van decontamination specialist.

    IB Assist home pageIB Assist is a web based company which advertises its services on Google. It claims to help claimants complete the ESA and IB questionnaires and prepare for a medical. People who pay the £65 fee are sent a detailed questionnaire by IB Assist to be completed before filling in the DWP questionnaire. On the basis of your answers, IB Assist doctors will:

    ‘provide a comprehensive report in which we will make recommendations on what we believe to be the important aspects of the case, and advise on the information that should be included in the questionnaire (IB 50 or ESA 50) and conveyed during the examination.’

    The company claims to use ‘doctors who have experience and knowledge of the Incapacity Benefit and Employment and Support Allowance systems’ and ‘have examined many thousands of claimants’.

    In other words, Atos, or former Atos, doctors

    IB Assist charge £65 for their help. If your claim is unsuccessful after appeal they will refund £45 of your fee.

    The website gives no indication at all about who is behind the company. However, Benefits and Work has discovered that two of the people who set it up in August 2008 were Dr James Branton and Dr Gail Young. These two doctors hit the headlines in May last year after taking Atos to an employment tribunal claiming they had been unfairly dismissed for wanting to find more claimants fit for work.

    According to the doctors, claimants who complained about their medicals were much more likely to be found incapable of work than those who did not. When Atos failed to respond to their concerns Branton and Young wrote to Tony Blair and were suspended.

    Branton later wrote an article for the Daily Mail headlined ‘How doctors like me are punished for exposing sicknote scroungers’, by a whistleblower’. In it, he claimed that 70,000 people a year – about a fifth of all those examined by Atos – are wrongly found incapable of work and given benefits.

    He also claimed to be paid £40 for each medical he carried out and said that he if he worked hard he could earn £4,500 a week. This amounts to around £200,000 a year and would require Branton to have carried out 112 medicals a week.

    The outcome of the case was never reported. It seems very likely that the parties reached an out-of-court settlement.

    It was not long after this that the two doctors set up IB Assist to help more claimants succeed in being found unfit for work.

    The third person involved in setting up IB Assist was Debra Ann Howard. Howard had already set up a company called UK IBC Ltd, though it is not clear whether this company is still trading. Claimants were invited to send their completed IB50 questionnaire to UK IBC, where doctors formerly ‘employed to score and scrutinise [incapacity benefit] applications on behalf of the DWP’ checked through the form ‘to assess how likely it is to succeed’.

    Following this check ‘Possible adjustments are discussed with the client and when the application is ready to be sent off it is then submitted directly to the DWP on the claimant’s behalf.’

    It is difficult to see how this practice could be lawful unless the form contained a declaration that it had been altered by someone other than the claimant after having been signed and dated.

    However, in July 2008 Howard resigned as a director of UK IBC Ltd and, in August of the same year, became a director of IB Assist.

    But not for long. In December 2008 Howard resigned as a director of IB Assist. In January 2009 Dr Branton and Dr Young also resigned as directors, having been replaced by Gary Heath and his wife Yvonne. Heath is also the director of HCS Ltd, a specialist cleaning company which uses revolutionary new ‘pro-biotic’ chemicals to decontaminate and remove germs, mould and fungi from catering premises including mobile burger vans

    Unfortunately, the Heath’s both resigned in March 2009, leaving the company trading without any directors, an offence which normally leads to a company being struck off the register at Companies House and losing its limited liability status.

    When we contacted Mr Heath he claimed that the company was still being run by Dr Branton who, he said, had resigned as a director due to ‘personal circumstances’.

    Dr Branton, however, claimed that he no longer had any connection with the company, which he asserted was now run by a Dr Wakeman and a Matthew Grinham for whom he had no contact details. He suggested we contact them via the email address on the IB Assist website.

    We did so and received an unsigned reply stating that IB Assist was in the process of appointing new directors. The email had the name Jakes Branton in the ‘from’ line.

    When we asked Dr Branton how it was he still had access to IB Assist’s confidential emails if he no longer had any connection with the company he responded ‘ I am no longer connected with the company and was only trying to be helpful.’ He referred us to a firm of accountants for any further information.

    We have since heard from the accountants that IB Assist now has one director, a Mr M Grinham, who lives in Birmingham. We have been unable to discover anything more about Grinham or his background.

    Dr Branton, meanwhile, is not the only former director who appears to have kept close connections with the company. Debra Howard lives in a farmhouse in Chard in deepest rural Somerset. The contact PO Box number on the IB Assist website leads to – the very same farmhouse in Chard.

    There is, then, a tangled web and considerable mystery connected with who runs IB Assist. We would advise our members to think very carefully before handing over money to a company set up by doctors who wanted to see more people thrown off their benefits and which has changed ownership so many times in such a brief period.

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    Comment by David — February 27, 2011 @ 10:49 pm

  43. In total, around 30,000 patients are seen every month. But there are two main problems. The first is a lack of information. Despite the patient’s GPs in theory being obliged to supply notes about their case, doctors like me often receive little more than a two-word assessment such as ‘back pain’ and frequently nothing at all. What’s more, Atos actively discourages its doctors from calling GPs and requesting more information because it believes this takes up too much time. This wouldn’t matter so much if we were allowed time to conduct a thorough examination. But unfortunately most of each 25-minute appointment is taken up with a questionnaire from Atos, leaving little more than a couple of minutes for physical checks in most cases. This is simply not enough time to verify a patient’s claim.

    Even in those cases when it’s obvious that a patient is lying, doctors find themselves compromised. The reason? Government targets. Under the contract drawn up between the DWP and Atos, there are a large number of financial incentives for meeting targets across a broad range of measures. One of these targets concerns the number of complaints from patients. If the company keeps the complaints from claimants below a certain level then it makes more money.Conversely, if the complaints rise, it loses money. There is, therefore, an in-built incentive to avoid aggravating the patients.

    Doctors soon find out that if they give a claimant low scores and the claimant is denied benefits, they are more likely to find themselves the subject of a complaint. These patients, after all, are not visiting examination centres to be given medicine or treatment – they are there to get money. If they don’t get the money they’re not going to be happy. And if a doctor at Atos racks up more than three complaints in three months, he is disciplined. First, he is warned by his supervisor. If the problems persist he is given, in effect, a final warning that his work will be cut or that his registration to work will be revoked.

    Against that kind of backdrop, Atos doctors soon work out that low scores mean trouble. What’s more, they have their own incomes to consider. When I was there I was paid £40 per appointment. If I worked hard, I could earn £4,500 a week. Some of my colleagues pulled in as much as £5,000. They weren’t keen to upset the apple cart and I don’t blame them. Even the civil servants at the DWP were complicit. They wanted to avoid complaints clogging up the system and, when I was at Atos, I was often called by the DWP and asked to bump up a patient’s score. I was never asked to downgrade a score.

    i THINK, AND NOTE I SAY I SAY THINK…THIS IS A SET UP FOR THE PRESS, ATOS HAVE BEEN EXPOSED FOR NOT PASSING SICK CLAIMANTS SO THEY PAY TWO SCAPEGOATS TO OPEN TO THE HAPPENINGS …HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT PASSED AND THERE ARE THOUSANDS WO ARE SICK LET ALONE THE ONES HE TALKS OF BEING FAKE AND HAVING TO PASS THEM! THIS WAS SET OUT SO ATOS COULD GET OUT OF THE REAL ISSUES SURROUNDING THEM THEY THEY DO NOT PASS PEOPLE AND SICK ONES A THAT. NOONE AT AT ATOS GETS SACKED OR DISAPLINED, THEY NEED ALL THEY CAN GET TO TO THE DIRTY WORK.
    THIS STORY FROM THESE EX WORKERS I THINK IS A RED HERRING.

    Comment by Sandy — August 25, 2011 @ 7:55 am

  44. Sandy thanks for taking the time to pass this on, but it’s very well known (see top of this page) and it’s shocking, your conclusion regarding two scapegoats is in my opinion spot on, and was my conclusion as well, you might not be aware though that these same two DRs went on to set up a web-site charging sick folk money on how to pass the ATOS test
    Anyway it’s refreshing to see someone like yourself who has the capability to work these things out for themself.

    On the top right hand side of this page you will see it says ”DWP examination now available” please click on and look at our forum for more information.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 25, 2011 @ 8:22 am

  45. mmm,m

    Comment by Anonymous — October 20, 2011 @ 4:46 pm

  46. Tried to register and join this forum, but keep getting the message “Sorry, but this board is currently unavailable. Please try again later.!

    Comment by Anonymous — October 20, 2011 @ 4:47 pm

  47. I have been trying to join this forum but keep getting the message “Sorry, but this board is currently unavailable. Please try again later.”

    Comment by Anonymous — October 20, 2011 @ 4:49 pm

  48. I will check every now and again and if you could leave a link for me to try and register that would be good.

    Comment by Anonymous — October 20, 2011 @ 4:56 pm

  49. Hello Anon.

    Sorry about that but we had a problem, ATOS forced the server to shut the forum down, apparently they don’t want folks to know the truth.
    Well that’s too bad for ATOS because we started up with a new server operating from ICELAND which values free internet speech and more importantly are outside the jurisdiction of British law.
    go here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 20, 2011 @ 6:12 pm

  50. I have tried again using the new link above but everytime I type in the confirmation code, it tells me I am wrong.

    Comment by Anonymous — October 20, 2011 @ 9:11 pm

  51. What name are you using ? some new names have appeared on the forum.
    Also when you log in did you check the return e-mail and clicked it, I forgot to do that to gain entry to a site myself once and couldn’t understand how I couldn’t get on until I seen my e-mail inbox. LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 20, 2011 @ 9:51 pm

  52. Hi, just to let you know i have managed to register on http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ , you will have seen you have a new member and I will advise my story as soon as I get a chance.

    Comment by Anonymous — October 21, 2011 @ 5:10 pm

  53. Cheers anon..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 21, 2011 @ 6:21 pm


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