Dwp examination

Are they really Doctors?

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Rumor has it that the DWP use retired or semi retired hasbeensDoctors from any section of medicine they can find, when they cant manage that they trawl for the dregs of Europe and the eastern world. This makes matters worse, as the European, Asian, oriental (other) Doctors (who may have English as their second language) who wont cant find employment in their own country (strangely) have difficulty in communicating with claimants particularly where local dialects are broad and thus may be misunderstood by the alleged Doctor.

Presumably the reason for the DWP /ATOS Healthcares’ inability to recruit outside of the range of retired/foreign ‘Doctors’ is that any self respecting good Doctor would not touch the DWP with a ten foot barge pole and risk damage to their credibility so early in their career. However, once past the NHS training stage, many ‘Doctors’ work within the NHS, then gravitate either to specialising or private practice, from which they retire early with a lump sum and pension. It is no surprise then that the DWP tempt the most narcissistic of these with the prospect of £1,500 per week, on top of their pensions, with protection for prosecution from malpractice and a position of extreme power!

One must ask the question, “are they really Doctors”. When I say this I mean if a Doctor has specialised in, lets say neurology and has spent the majority of his career treating neurological problems, is he considered capable of examining claimants with many differing ailments and disability? I suppose what I am trying to say is if a neurologist had a claimant in front of him /her with, lets say severe psychiatric issues, would he be sufficiently experienced and qualified to comment on the precise current state of their mental health with sufficiently acurate information in his/her report to the decision maker, so they could make an appropriate decision?

What happens if a claimant, in trying to make him/herself understood to a foreign Doctor is accused of racism?

Worse still, what if the Doctor is not capable of making him/herself understood when interrogating the claimant? The list is endless.

My (alleged) contact in the DWP says all DWP (ATOS Healthcare) Doctors undergo training in the methods to be used during an DWP ’examination’ and in the interest of fairness and academic accuracy all claimants are asked exactly the same set of questions, although the order will vary as will the number of,  and questions used with each particular ailment or disability. Let me give you an example.

If Mr A is asked questions relating to his Asthma, Panic attacks and Lower back pain.

Then Mr B is asked questions on his Anxiety attacks, Asthma and Chest pain.

Both men will be asked different questions on two of the above conditions (as they differ), but, should be asked exactly the same set of questions in relation to asthma (which they both have).

The DWP gamble on us (the disabled) being so shocked and frightened by the whole process of the interrogation  ’examination’, and know we will leave their premises as quickly as possible and are unlikely ever to meet other victims claimants or discus our examinations in public!

I would like to build up a data base of questions asked by DWP lackeys alleged ‘Healthcare Professionals’ to see if this is the case? as I am not 100% convinced we are all being asked the same questions. I am also interested in finding out if my suspicions relating to retired and foreign Doctors are well founded?

UPDATE:Why not try to check out your alleged Doctors credentials on the Internet? you will find their name on the medical report which you can obtain from the office dealing with your claim. By the way, they can not refuse to give you a copy. I checked mine out, and sure enough, there it was, plain as day. I even got information on my alleged ‘Doctors’ background.

I’ll be back

175 Comments »

  1. Had ESA medical waiting spinal fusion operation (now had it ) HCP was a “doctor” Hermann…
    Never worked in this country and only registered with GMC in jan 2008 Guess what …ZERO points
    Had medical for ind inj benefit this time “doctor Bullock qualified in 1959! my surgeon said “why on earth is any doctor working at his age ” !
    Surgeon estimated this Atos HCP must be 72+ years old !
    They dont give A TOS oops did i put a space in there ?

    Comment by darrel — March 2, 2010 @ 2:44 am

  2. Need I say more, the dregs of Europe and a hasbeen, hard lines my friend I hope you are appealing.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 2, 2010 @ 8:14 am

  3. Oh You bet i am ,got my ESA appeal on 30th april,took them 31 weeks to
    assess me so i asked if they had a typo when they say you will be in the
    assessment phase for 13 weeks …they didnt even reply . got some brilliant
    evidence from my medical records and surgeon but it seems as far as any
    benefit claim is concerened even if you showed them a smoking gun they still
    just tell you you can appeal if you dont agree !
    I complained to ATOS about medical and they just send out rubbish replys
    that dont address the issues in your complaint it is just a PR exercise for
    them and they just whitewash over your complaint.
    The GMC dont want to get involved either unless you have been medicaly
    damaged by a doctor so basically theres no way to get the ATOS doctors
    ethics looked into or to question his integrity as a supposed “independant”
    assessor.

    Comment by darrel — March 2, 2010 @ 9:02 am

  4. Can you do me a favour and provide the address for complaimts to ATOS, maybe we can all complain and then compare answers? that would be interesting as they are all likely to be the same. I wish you luck with the appeal, be honest, come over as a credible witness and I am sure you will do alright. Please let us know the outcome, Its always noce to see justice done.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 2, 2010 @ 3:31 pm

  5. Hi
    Had my appeal on 16th april didnt even have to go …they rang me on the morning of my appeal and told me the appeal was allowed …I had won and they gave me 15 points for not being able to bend/squat.
    to be honest i feel a bit let down as i had loads of med evidence ,i had also recieved the Atos 1st tier complaint investigation which found Dr Hermann had not carried out the medical properly and they also noted he had a higher than was normal complaints against him !
    of course buggerall will done about him although they say he has been reported to the Atos medical manager but they wont tell me what happens about this Polish QUACK.
    Oh well now its on with my DLA appeal and my Industrial Injuries Compensation appeal,
    It really makes you feel good that the DWP are there for you when you are in medical need after paying into the system for 33 years!

    Comment by darrel — April 26, 2010 @ 11:46 pm

  6. Well done, I am always pleased to hear that some of us are winning. Its interesting to note that you recieved a call telling you not to turn up? Does this mean that the Tribunals are now so over burdened that they are making decisions “off plan”? You sound as though you were well prepared too, this is essential in appeals, its also worthwhile being equally prepared on the day of your medical as they will ask if there is anything you want to ask them or add at the end. Thats when you get the opportunity to show your evidence, so its well worth taking what you have with you. When you say you recieved the 1st tier complaint investigation, did they send you a full report on thier findings? I am interested as I have heard of “Doctors” behaving strangely during “examinations” and wondered what people are doing about it when they feel thay have been mistreated? Also you are at liberty to check out the “Doctors” you see on the GMC web site, where information on thier current status is freely available. You can also complain via this site too.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 27, 2010 @ 6:30 am

  7. Hi
    Yes the Atos 1st tier complaint convenor sent the full two part report they partially upheld my complaint on the handling of my complaint (they sent me letters stating that my complaint had been investigated by an “independant” HA! doctor when in actual fact the 1st tier found they had not and they miss represented what the “independant” doctor had said .
    The other part was on the actual medical and they could not understand how DR Hermann could say i had a problem sitting but then say i had no problems bending/squating,also they found he did not justify any of his statements regarding my capabilities and when he said a return to work within 3 months is expected they said this was not reasoned at all considering DR Hermann had reported i told him i had appointment for my spinal fusion operation and the recovery time expected after op was 6 to 12 months!
    Funny thing is i won the tribunal without the tribunal having seen this report as i got it the day before the tribunal.
    the GMC is a waste of time as they only investigate if you can prove the doctor caused you hurt or damage during the medical ,they are not interested in wether or not he carried it out properly or ethicaly.
    If anyone else has one of these SHAM medicals ALWAYS put in your complaint to ATOS and the GMC anyway as the more complaints they recieve the more likely they cannot ignore whats happening with this despicable company ATOS taking OUR money to carry (your tax and NI )out this fraud against us when we in fact are genuine and in need of help .

    Comment by darrel — April 27, 2010 @ 10:34 am

  8. Its nice to see that someone has had justice.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 28, 2010 @ 6:56 am

  9. It cant be a coincidence,everybody seems to have the same poor opinion of atos.I took a refferal letter about aspergers and they ignored it

    Comment by troutmask — May 20, 2010 @ 2:32 pm

  10. If you have aspergers and it has been diagnosed you probably shouldnt have been called in for a medical, isnt this in the rules somewhere? Challenge this in your letter to ATOS.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 21, 2010 @ 6:33 am

  11. A lot of people have problems understanding accents, mine, listed as easiest to understand first, are London (cockney), Scottish (the broad dialects) and Liverpudlian (scousers) but as for foreign accents then Indian or Asian are my worst 2 and these areas are were ATOS will pick up a doctor from when they need someone and I bet few if any are registered with the GMC

    Comment by Dean — May 22, 2010 @ 12:36 am

  12. Need I say more?

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 23, 2010 @ 9:03 am

  13. Regarding the use of retired or semi-retired doctors, you might find this link from the BMA interesting (if you have not already seen it).
    http://www.bma.org.uk/employmentandcontracts/fees/medicalservicesdoctors.jsp
    I’m not sure of the exact date of this but it is after September 2005.
    Under section 5: Advice to Members, I quote: ‘The Association recognises that this work can provide an important source of income for doctors in portfolio careers and doctors who are partly retired’.
    So it seems ‘partly retired’ doctors do work for ATOS.
    I do know that at one of my PCA ‘examinations’ a few years ago, I was assessed by a doctor who told me that he was a retired GP and did the work for the extra cash. This was when, I believe, the service was carried out by Schlumberger-sema (subsequently aquired by Atos Origin), personally i would assume the practice hasn’t changed, but that’s only an assumption.
    Slightly off topic, (but you’ve mentioned this before vide complaining to the BMA), if you look at Section 4: Vexatious Complaints, it seems to me you get an idea of how the BMA, as trade union for its members, views benefit claimants who compalin or appeal against decisions their members have made. They bemoan what they see as a ‘compaints culture’, and say: ‘Doctors providing medical services to the DWP are frequently subject to what may be considered ‘vexatious’ complaints, following consultations where the doctor has provided a professional opinion which has financial implications for the patient. As a result, doctors may feel vulnerable and be increasingly reluctant to undertake this essential area of work’.
    Extraordinary attitude really. The so called ‘financial implications’ for the patient is the loss of benefit with all of the attendant stress and anguish, and potential hardship that that entails, and this is no trivial matter! Appealing or calling into question such a crucially important decision is a right when somoeone believes the doctor has NOT been factually accurate, or professional and so on.
    The BMA should be more concerned about the ridiculous LiMA system, amongst other things!
    The fact that they see people who complain as being ‘vexatious’ speaks volumes for their attitude towards benefit claimants, they are more concerned that their members get their share of the pie in terms of financial remuneration.
    Sorry, bit off topic. I only found your great site yesterday and would like to say what a terrific service and resource it is!

    Comment by Vic — June 2, 2010 @ 10:00 am

  14. Hi
    I read that on the BMA site also when researching Atos complaints …the BMA have nothing to do with Atos as Atos only use GMC registered doctors,in fact the BMA are not happy with the Atos contracts with the doctors they employ .Dont expect ANY help from GMC and BMA as they will only get involved if you can prove you have been injured by an Atos doctor or you can prove the doctor acted unethically… coming to a conclusion that is against all your other medical evidence and at odds with your own doctor/surgeon/Physio does not seem to be unethical in the GMC’s eyes .ITS DOWN TO US TO KEEP COMPLAINING AND MAKING OUR VOICES HEARD WHEN THIS FRAUD BY ATOS IS BEING CARRIED OUT EVERY DAY.
    Rant over cheers.

    Comment by darrel — June 2, 2010 @ 9:08 pm

  15. Thanks for that “V”, I wonder if the BMA take the same view of what I would term “vexatious decisions” by “Doctors” who are more concerned about thier financial reward for doing so? Is this not the same as the “Vexatious complaint”/ Also tarring everyone with the “Vexatious complaint” brush without full investigation sends all the wrong messages to those wishing to make a complaint in the first place, thus reducing the liklihood of this happening” Its a vicious circle and thanks for bringing that to our attention.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 3, 2010 @ 7:16 am

  16. Youre welcome and youre right, Nuff said.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 3, 2010 @ 7:17 am

  17. Hello All

    I would like to pick your brains.

    I have my medical soon with Atos soon, and I am worried sick.

    I have had 3 discectomies. In 1992, 2006 and 2009. Some days I am ok, but most days
    I even struggle to go to the bathroom or even get out of bed.

    I am concerned that when I see the Atos Doctor, that he will say I am ok, as I know
    people who suffer with back problems have a difficult time.

    I have spoken to so many incompetent people regarding my problems, and even though
    I know they are only doing their job – it makes me mad that I have worked since I was 15,
    and I could do a better job than many of the people I talk to!

    Any assistance you have regarding my meeting, would be very much appreciated.

    Best regards

    Dawn Goodson (age 44)

    Comment by Dawn — June 16, 2010 @ 11:00 am

  18. Hi Dawn
    First thing assuming you are well enough to travel to the assessment centre is to make sure you take someone with you to witness the medical.

    ALLWAYS remember they are watching you from the moment you arrive in the car park(no i am not being paranoid)
    If you have to wait for your appointment and you need to sit try and choose one of the high back chairs with arms and if like me you cant sit for long due to the pain then get up and stand if you have to.
    The HCP (health care professional) will watch how you get out of the chair and walk to the assessment room.
    Again REMEMBER allways answer the questions on your capabilities on you BAD days and dont mention the few good days you may have ,if you say sometimes i can walk to the shop 50 yards away from my front door the HCP will record “Goes shopping regularly” Always tell the truth but remember ONLY answer how you are on your bad days .
    If you have difficulty carrying out a task they ask you about DO NOT TRY TO CARRY OUT THE TASK (ie bend forward) Even if you can only do this once and then spend the rest of the day in agony if you attempt to bend at the assessment the HCP will say you bent to the knees with no problems !
    If ANYTHING the HCP asks you to do causes you pain TELL THEM dont hold it in and dont do it if it hurts.
    I have had two medicals and they use the same old tricks so dont be fooled by the HCP they are there to get you off benefits you are entitled to claim.
    Take your medical evidence with you (scans ,surgeons letters ,doctors letters) the HCP will probably not bother looking at it but tell him you have brought it along and if you have to later appeal you can tell the tribunal the HCP had your records but ignored medical evidence.
    Bit long winded but if you have more questions and i can help just email me .
    Cheers.

    Comment by darrel — June 16, 2010 @ 6:40 pm

  19. Hi

    ATOS………. the mere mention oif their name gives me a near heart attack! Thanks to them not sending an appointment letter, I have now got to appeal for the reinstatement of my Incapacity Benefits. I am having to make phone calls everyday in order to get answers and get stonewalled at every turn from these people……THEY DO NOT CARE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WHAT HAPPENS TO ANYONE!

    I had to telephone them to ask when my appointment had been rearranged for, the previosu one being cancelled buy me due a tooth extraction under general anaesthesia. I was informed that I was due at the medical centre in ten minutes………. some 16 miles from my house…….told them that it was impossible for me to attend at such short notice, explained that no appointment letter had arrived through the post, and the onus has now been placed on me to prove it had not arrived……….so now left with no income having to rely on the generousity of my family to sget me through each day and my mental health has taken a nose dive again thanks to this lot………..the sooner they are sacked the better.

    Comment by christine dickinson — June 17, 2010 @ 3:48 pm

  20. As I always say, take someone with you, ask them to take notes, the cardboard cut out wont like it but it is your right to do so. Next take a look at the assessing ATOS page, there is an assessment sheet which you can print off to help you remember your “examination”, there is also a contact form which I urge you to print off and keep near the phone, when you are talking to anyone from the DWP or ATOS take thier contact details name etc, make a note of the time of the call, its all on the top of the sheet and tell them you are taking notes. Once you have completed the examination ask the “Doctor” if you can go through what he/she has written, they will refuse and tell you , you can get a copy of the report from your local JC+. This is true, your report will be emailed the same day, it will be in the in tray of the local JC+ within hours of your examination. Call them the following day and ask for a copy of your report, you will have to be persistant as they will try to put you off, but stay with it, again its your right to have a copy of the report. If you pass the “Examination” and your benefits are suspended go direvtly to your Local Authority Welfare Rights Officer and seek thier assistance in appealing. Also contact the local CAB, you will find it may take some time to get to see someone and you must only work with one organisation. They will appoint a representative who will help you as far as they can. Good luck and keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 17, 2010 @ 5:43 pm

  21. Take notes too.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 17, 2010 @ 5:46 pm

  22. The government has decided that working is essential to well being and assumes this is the same for the entire unemployed population including disabled people and also those with terminal and life threatening illnesses, unfortunately in my case it would be the complete opposite as I would spend every waking hour working with any free time taken up with doing normal household chores, coupled with the fact that my illness is not survivable so therefore I cannot get a loan, mortgage, save for the future or have any long term goals I would spend what little of my life I have left working and exhausted with no free time, I am never going to retire (government can save a few quid) to be honest and very blunt death would be a merciful release.
    I did not chose to become ill and disabled why are genuinely disabled and very ill people being targeted and denied what little dignity they have left by the DWP.

    Comment by Matt Winter — July 2, 2010 @ 7:16 pm

  23. Cant wait to be found fit for work

    Comment by Matt Winter — July 2, 2010 @ 7:18 pm

  24. Check out our new forum at http://dwpexamination.myfreeforum.org where you will be able to read about others in similar situations and what they did to fight back. There are loads of disabled people in the same position, its time to unite and defend our rights to benefits before they are completely taken away.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 3, 2010 @ 12:31 am

  25. Here I am again!

    Atos have yet again changed my appointment!

    I feel like not going. It is obvious from all that I have read, that they are going to fail
    me anyway – so why put myself through all of this?

    I am very fed up and frustrated.

    I keep trying to arrange a break with some friends. And every time I do – Atos change my appointment.

    I dont want to tell them that I want a break – as they will tell me that if I am fit enough
    to go on a break etc……….

    The whole episode is getting me down

    Comment by goody — July 21, 2010 @ 9:33 pm

  26. Goody you are allowed by law to have a break of at least two weeks without being penalised for it…………. tell them it is beneficial to your long term mental and physical well being that you have a break, that you are going with someone to take care of you and if necessary do what I did get a drs letter telling them in no uncertain terms that a holiday is needed to take away the wtress yoiu are suffering from………. my dr was livid when I told him what they were up to complaining I needed a hooiday……….. never heard another thing about it!

    Comment by christine dickinson — July 21, 2010 @ 11:04 pm

  27. Hiya Christine

    Thank you for your comment.

    The whole bloody thing is making more ill than I was in the first place!

    Comment by goody — July 22, 2010 @ 7:38 am

  28. Well, I have just spen the last 2 and half hours trying to get through to Atos again, regarding the so called home
    visit they were arranging for me – only to be finally told that my medical information and G.P letter did not
    give sufficient evidence regarding my condition!

    I spoke to two women in Leeds. The first one was reluctant to give me her name, and the second (a manager), started to get
    tetchy. I told her she was tetchy, and then she just started saying to me over and over ‘I was not rude, I was not rude’ – she repeated this about ten times – and I could not get a word in!! Until I said ‘I hope you are recording this conversation, and you will see how rude you have been’. She then said ‘you didnt tell me you were recording the conversation’ and put the phone down!!

    Comment by Anon — July 22, 2010 @ 10:33 am

  29. ok people got some numbers for you

    Atos Healthcare customer relations telephone number 0113 230 9175
    email at customer-relations@atoshealthcare.com

    or you can write to them at
    Atos Healthcare
    4 Triton Square
    Regent’s Place
    London
    NW1 3HG

    DWP enquiries 0113 230 9175 same as customer relations
    hope the info helps!

    Comment by christine dickinson — July 22, 2010 @ 10:58 am

  30. follow up to previous post

    if you want a copy of your report you can request it the day after as just confirmed with Atos that they are emailed through on the day of examination. If on ESA (Employment Support Alowance) then you request a copy of the ESA 85 if on Incapacity Benefit then IB 85

    Also if the English of the dr who examines you is not up to ‘conversational’ standards (Their words not mine) then you can ring Atos and complain and back it up in writing, plus you can demand to be re-examined by an English Dr……….. again thats from Atos themselves!

    Comment by christine dickinson — July 22, 2010 @ 11:04 am

  31. The woman I spoke to just now was on the number you have given me.

    I dont want to to the appointment now – they can stick their money where the sun doesnt shine!!!

    Comment by Anon — July 22, 2010 @ 11:10 am

  32. Speaks volumes doesnt it, well done anon, you have them on thier back foot.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 23, 2010 @ 7:26 am

  33. Its obvious that they know and are admitting they have serious staff problems. As for english not being up to conversational level, remember that case with the German Doctor who killed his patient? Raises serious concerns in my view. Excellent info, keep up the good work, the more amunition we have to fight back with the better.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 23, 2010 @ 7:29 am

  34. Anon, thats what they want you to do, they will now assume thet they were right and you were making a bogus claim. Its better to go ahead and be turned down by them than to admit defeat. Please dont give in, I know its difficult but dont let them get the upper hand.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 23, 2010 @ 7:30 am

  35. How weird.

    I sent email stating that I am still not happy that they have ignored my requests for a home visit. And I copied in MPs’, and press etc – and today I have a cancellation letter from ATOS, with no follow up date.

    What are they up to now?

    Comment by Anon — July 24, 2010 @ 10:36 am

  36. You took the initiative anon, they know they are in jeopardy already with so many appeals being won by the appelant. You are now in the driving seat by the look of things and mentioning your MP may have been the straw that broke the camels back. Well done.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 24, 2010 @ 11:50 am

  37. Thank you for that – but does that mean that they will automatically cancel my money?

    Comment by Anon — July 24, 2010 @ 11:57 am

  38. Havnt read your letter, but last time they cancelled an appointment with me they didnt stop my money.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 26, 2010 @ 1:13 pm

  39. Do you think they will rebook again? They have re-booked 3 times, and now this cancellation.

    What are they playing at?

    Comment by Anon — July 26, 2010 @ 2:18 pm

  40. I think they probably will, they are running a business and we are the product they have to work with so sit back and wait for the brown envelope. No doubt they will probably still want to see you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 28, 2010 @ 8:47 am

  41. Aha – they sent me a letter yesterday, informing me that they are looking into my complaint, and will hopefully
    have an answer for me in 4 weeks.

    What I find strange is, when I talked to a lady at the DWP wiht my complaint, and she said, that she understood
    as many people had complained about ATOS – I said to her ‘well you employed them’ – she replied that they didnt, and that
    ATOS were on contract. Well, doesnt that mean that the DWP employed them?

    Comment by Anon — July 28, 2010 @ 8:50 am

  42. Do you think they are treating my complaint as an appeal?

    I am getting very confused

    Comment by Anon — August 1, 2010 @ 1:05 pm

  43. Anon, from what you said previously they are “looking into” your complaint. Try not to read too much into that and just ait for thier next communication. They do this all the time, they prefer to leave a very foggy trail behind them because they themselves are bullied and abused by thier own management. They prefer confusion as it is easy to say thet thier message was “misunderstood” at a later date if they get caught out.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 1, 2010 @ 1:13 pm

  44. Update

    Now finally, after 3 cancellations and a complaint – have my home visit booked for next week.

    I know I will fail, but I will go along with their little scheme

    Comment by Anon — August 4, 2010 @ 8:29 am

  45. Thats the spirit Anon, go in with your eyes open and expect no quarter to be given. Just remember, when you appeal (should you need to) give them as good as they have given you. Dont give in…

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 4, 2010 @ 4:52 pm

  46. Ive been to 2 of these medicals so far and just cancelled the one they had me booked in for today.
    Im currently on appeal but the DWP has taken it upon thereselves to send me back to ATOS for some unknown reason?

    What a waste of taxpayers money!!!

    I recieved 0 points from my last “examination” in my appeal to the decission makers i questioned my ATOS “Doctors” qualifications. At this point i hadnt checked him out on the GMC.

    The decission maker wrote in his report that i had questioned the “Doctors” credentials and assured me he was qualified.

    After entering my “doctors” name in the gmc website i found the guy was BARELY qualified to be a GP let alone assess mental capability. He qualified from the University of Nigeria in 1979 with a MBBS which is the most basic qualification going!

    Since learning this information i did write it in my Tribunal appeal thing. I pointed out that with no qualification in mental health he was not qualified to come to such a decission.

    I have been on appeal for nearly 9 months. The Tribunal people started the whole tribunal thing about 6 months ago but no hearing has been had yet!

    These doctors are useless. Mine was rude and i could barely understand him. He fabricated a report of lies and inacurracies. The next medical assessment i go to i will be secretly recording. I am not going to be had by some underqualified doctor again!!

    Im pretty sure all the atos docs will have bare minimum qualifications….MBBS is entry level. Batchelor of Medicine Batchelor of Surgery. This means they have NO specialization, they have a rudementry understanding of human biology and medical apllications. This qualification in no way means they can accuratly determine the effects of any medically specialized ailment or illness.

    These doctors are under qualified for the important job that they do.
    How can you accuratly determine the work capability of someone if you have no medical knowledge about there condition? They take you on face value….on the day of the appointment. They dont look at the DWP form you fill out before this examination…they just ask you some fixed questions that seem to have little relevence to most conditions.

    I continuosly told him that i had taken 10mg Diazapam to actually get there that day and that my father drove me for obvious reasons. This was never mentioned in the report the doc wrote up. He tapped my leg, made me bend my arms and head and a few other motor function tests. He asked me about my normal day. He asked me about shopping and TV, he asked about ironing and making meals. What has that got to do with working?? I can watch tv for 2 hours sitting so that makes me capable of work?

    Theres serious problems with ATOS….im sure the DWP is paying them a huge amount of money to get people off IB, ESA, DLA etc. The Atos building i went to was very nice, must cost a few quid to have such a nice office. How can a goverment agency pay the company thats assessing you to assess you….they HAVE to be biased as DWP pay their wages.

    Its like the whole Judge and state thing….theres no such thing as a fair trial when the claimant is the state. Speeding tickets for example…the judge works for the state as do the police…how can the judge be fair and impartial??

    Why have ATOS decided that they need to see me again before me hearing at the Tribunal Service?? Who runs the Tribunal service…is it a state run thing??
    Why are their underqualified doctors getting away with this???

    I cancelled my appointment today as i didnt feel well enough to go. I was told that because i had rebooked the appointment before i had to fill in a form which they were going to send me. They guy took pleasure in telling me my benefit would probably be stopped as a result of failure to attend and that the DWP would get a decission maker to look at my “excuse” for not attending this VERY imprtant medical assessment.

    This is a total SCAM….lots of people are making lots of money from this little escapade. Wonder how much a specialist doctor would charge to accuratly assess a patient? I wonder if this is even possible in under 20 mins???

    Comment by Rob From Essex — August 12, 2010 @ 10:24 am

  47. Welcome to our rapidly growing community of ATOS victims, If you take a look at the other pages on the blog you will see you are not alone, this is the most important thing to remember. Atos and the DWP are not attacking you, though thats whet they want you to think, they tar everyone with the same brush. Next time you have an appointment with ATOS, take someone with you, someone you can trust. Ask them to take notes of the proceedings, the ATOS cardboard cut out will not like it and will try to put you off by saying you cant use your notes at any tribunal or in any court. Dont worry, just carry on regardless, its your right to take notes, take a close look at the alleged “Doctor” though, those little tell tale beads of sweat on his upper lip and his figiting will conform you have hit a major nerve. They hate it when you have a witness who is taking notes. To make your life a little easier I have produced an assessment form on the assessing ATOS page, this form will allow your companion to score the building, “Doctor” receptionist, parking etc and will serve as an aid to your memory when you are writing out your appeal. The DWP usually wait a month or so before they stop your benefits and the letter usually arrives the day beforee or on the day your benefits are due, for maximum impact. This is a terror tactic they use, they know that the majority of benefit claimants rely on thier payments being in the bank or on thier doorstep on time, they also know that the worry of not being able to pay rent, council tax and to buy food is a great motivator to get you to reclaim on jobseekerrs allowance. On the assessing ATOS page you will also find a useful contact form, print some of these off and keep them near the phone. It is essential that you gather the information the form asks you to and that you make a written record of your conversation, it helps throw them if you tell them you will be making a record of the conversation, thay hate that. No doubt you are aware of the help available from your Local Authority Welfare Rights Office and the C.A.B. It is essential that you seek assistance from one or the other and particularly as a representative at your tribunal. ATOS and the DWP see themselves as judge, jury and exicutioner untill you take the upper hand. Fight them all the way, when you are at your tribunal come across as a credible witness, dont shout, swear or act agressivly toward them, they are in a position to help you. Why not register with our sister forum, its free and is available to you at http://dwpexamination.myfreeforum.org where you will find loads of people in the same boat, loads of good advice and support and above all a feeling of belonging, rather than that the DWP try to create.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 12, 2010 @ 5:30 pm

  48. Welll I had my ‘assessment’ last week…………. rang them to get a copy fo the report and have just finished a 13 page letter back to DWP listing every single anomaly in it!

    Questions not asked, things said to have been carried out and not carried out…………..daughter was with me taking notes and recording the conversation, and yes he did NOT like it at all! In fact the dr (such as he was) got quite shirty about the whole thing, especially when I told him it was for my reference if needed!

    Got a phone call yesterday from the DWP asking why I had taken my own notes and recorded the conversation……….told the person on the other end of the phone probably a very good job I did as there were several glaring mistakes in the report and I would be contesting them…….it seems we are not supposed to think and act for ourselves we are just supposed to go along with what the drs say ‘as they are the qualified ones and they know best’………..told them it was load of crap as the dr had quite clearly stated I can bedn down and pick something off the floor……….erm he didn’t ask me to do this and would have told him that there was no way I could have done it anyway! Also the ‘eyesight test’ what a joke, asked to read the chart WITH MY GLASSES ON……… a myopic wombat could have read that chart with glasses, I refused as the test was not conducted properly.
    According to the dr that ‘examined’ me I was taking a ‘mild painkiller’……. now 2×500 grammes of Co-Drydamol every 6 hours is not to me a ‘mild painkiller’ neither is it to my GP to whom I showed the report yesterday………….he has picked holes in most of it as well, and he has also offered to write me a letter (free of charge I might add)telling the DWP what he thinks of the ‘examination’…….. in his words ‘a first year medical student could have done better’

    So the letter has left this morning, by guaranteed delivery (they have to sign for it and I can track it) expensive but worth it, and see hwat happens next.

    Comment by christine dickinson — August 18, 2010 @ 9:22 am

  49. Thats the spirit, they dont like it when we fight back eh? I wish I had been a fly on the wall and seen the alleged “Doctor” turn green when you told him it was for your own reference, now they cant say you have used it in your defence as it is clearly a simple reminder of the days events to which you can refer if your memory of events fade. Marvelous, well done and keep up the excellent work, you are an example to all of us.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 18, 2010 @ 1:28 pm

  50. Atos – have no medical experience, I saw them first 3 years ago and they were horrific. The report bore no resemblance to what I said or did, the “Medic/Healthcare Professional” told me he didn’t understand my condition only an expert could, his words not mine and yet nothing on the report said that even though I had the proof. My case still went to appeal and after 2 hours, the Chair of the Appeal decided that I should have been awarded something and he said that nothing relating to my actual condition was on the report. So now 3 years later we have been asked to see the Gestapo Police again even though the condition has worsened greatly.
    We should petition Downing Street.

    Comment by Ellie — September 4, 2010 @ 3:17 pm

  51. Its being tried right now, but they wont listen. What we need to do is vote with our feet at the next Local and GGeneral elections and sack the present Government. Keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 4, 2010 @ 5:13 pm

  52. Well we have developments! You recal I sent in a letter (well mini novel really) listing every single anomaly int he drs report. Gt a letter back from ATOS Friday morning saying that ‘we have decided that the assessment was NOT carreid out to ur high standards and we have therefore asked the DWP to rescind their previous decison (not entitled to ESA on the evidence from the report) to be set aside and anew assessment booked at your convenence with a different healthcare professional. I can name the date time and place plus I can have my own GP there as well………..also informed the DWP that if they don’t play ball and scrap the decison then I take them to Court and sue the pants off them……….. solicitor all lined up and ready to go………..will keep you informed of developments

    Comment by christine — September 25, 2010 @ 8:38 pm

  53. sorry for spelling mistakes in the above got a migraine from hell right now

    Comment by christine — September 25, 2010 @ 8:39 pm

  54. Well done, at least you have proved the first “assessment” was of suffucuent poor quality that the DWP and thier enforcement arm ATOS have decided to withdraw thier claim that you are fit for work. This sort of thing is hapening all the time, genuinely sick and disabled people are having thier wrk capability poorly assessed and as a result lose thier Benefits to which they are legally entitled and are made to suffer serious stress whilst waiting for a Tribunal to correct Poor performance by ATOS. It will be interesting to see if they actually allow your GP to attend, they will probably object as they dont want to be exposed to the public ridicule a real Doctors report upon the performance of an alleged Healthcar Professional would surely bring. Keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 26, 2010 @ 7:19 am

  55. All doctors must be registered with the General Medical Council http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/register/LRMP.asp
    and as such are subject to the GMC code of practice http://www.gmc-uk.org/guidance/good_medical_practice.asp
    One of the principle responsibilities that a medical practitioner has in these circumstances is to write a fair and balanced report
    Quote:
    “In paragraphs 63-67 of Good Medical Practice we say
    o You must be honest and trustworthy when writing reports and when completing or signing forms, reports and other documents.
    o You must always be honest about your experience, qualifications and position, particularly when applying for posts.
    o You must do your best to make sure that any documents you write or sign are not false or misleading. This means that you must take reasonable steps to verify the information in the documents, and that you must not deliberately leave out relevant information.
    o If you have agreed to prepare a report, complete or sign a document or provide evidence, you must do so without unreasonable delay.
    o If you are asked to give evidence or act as a witness in litigation or formal inquiries, you must be honest in all your spoken and written statements. You must make clear the limits of your knowledge or competence.”

    If the doctor who assesses you doesn’t comply with the GMC code then you can make a formal complaint to the GMC. I sense that not enough complaints are being made.
    When I went through my own medical assessment,comparing it with the GMC code, I came up 12 complaints against the doctor concerned and will therefore be lodging a complaint with the GMC.

    Comment by Dionysus — October 10, 2010 @ 4:43 pm

  56. How did you get on then?

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 11, 2010 @ 6:55 am

  57. Awaiting tribunal and complaint to GMC is ongoing.

    Comment by Dionysus — October 11, 2010 @ 7:33 am

  58. Can you keep us posted please?

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 12, 2010 @ 6:48 am

  59. This Government crackdown is a worry.

    I have – to my surprise – just passed my examination with ATOS – does this all mean that I have to have another one?

    Comment by goody66 — October 12, 2010 @ 7:50 am

  60. Hi, first, well done. Next, I dont know how or when they are going to call people back in for reassessment, your guess is as good as mine.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 12, 2010 @ 11:59 am

  61. I had my so-called medical with ATOS on the 5th October and waiting to see what the DWP’s decision is. Having read through things on here I phoned the office dealing with my claim and asked for a copy of my medical report. I was told that they would send my request to ATOS as they personally could not send it out…lol. I think it will make interesting reading as I do love a good work of fiction…
    My experiences with ATOS have, so far, not been the best. When it came to making an appiontment I was sent a letter telling me I MUST phone them within 2 days to make an appointment or my benefit would be stopped…on principle I left it for a week…they said nothing. I asked for directions to their office (Reading) and waas told it would be included in the confirmation letter. I asked about parking and was told the same. When I received the confirmation letter it included basic directions…walk to bus stop, 10 minutes, take bus to train station, 10 minutes, walk to assessment centre. No map, no directions, no indication of how long it might take to walk from the train station, no details about parking…helpful eh? I only knew where to go because my friend had had a medical (which she failed) a few weeks previously.
    During the medical I was told that I wouldn’t be asked to do anything I found painful. That was obviously a joke as I was asked to do several things I had already explained caused me intense pain, and when I failed to carry out these tests to her (the HCP) satisfaction she encouraged me to try again, but harder this time…I refused to attempt anything more than once and she didn’t look happy. Oh well, shit happens. I was criticised for not having a copy of the referral letter from my GP to the spinal unit at the hospital…I had only been referred the day before…and it was implied that I was lying about it. Very caring. The list of minor insults goes on, and on.
    Can anybody give me an idea how long it takes for the DWP to actually make a decision after you’ve had your medical?

    Comment by dawn hill — October 27, 2010 @ 6:54 pm

  62. Hi Dawn hill, welcome to our growing comunity. Unless they have changed thier procedures it is your right to have a copy of hte “Doctors” report. Your local JC+ should supply this on request, beware, they will try to put you off but be patient and polite but firm. Ask the name of the person you are talking to, make a note of it, ask them to put you through to someone who can help. I have produced a contact form on the assessing ATOS page of this blog and on the useful templates page of our sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.myfreeforum.org Print a few of these off and keep them by the phone it is essential that you keep a record of every conversation you have from now on with the DWP or ATOS. I assure you it will come in handy if you find yourself in an appeal situation. It is also your right to decline any exercise the ATOS HCP asks you to do if it causes you pain or severe discomfort, they are not there to press you into doing something that will hurt you. ATOS never give enough information on parking, its endemic from the evidence provided by readers, they do make assumptions, make unusual comments in thier reports and will usually ignore any supporting evidence you provide them with. The Decision Maker will have many similar cases to deal with and it can take a while to get a reply, I have evidence to support every option from one week to never recieving it. Eithere way if you find yourself in a position where you have to appeal please do so, never give in, challenge every decision you feel is wrong, assumed or downright lies. Read some of the horror stories onthe blog and the forum. Keep us posted and good luck

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 28, 2010 @ 10:28 am

  63. Thanks…I received my medical report today….only 2 days after I requested it…I am surprised…I’m going through it now. Being honest, it seems relatively accurate. There are a couple of glaring errors tho. How could one be said to have ‘walked normally’ when I have a severe limp? She also said I can ‘crouch to the floor and stand up again’…I managed to get down into a squat but was then unable to rise without falling over…I did get up eventually but with much difficulty. It also says that ‘none of the above apply’ in the category bending and kneeling, yet later in the report says I cannot bend to reach my knees. that has confused me a bit, either I can bend, or I cant. I know I cant, but anybody reading the report would think I can. Also said in the category of reaching that none of the above apply, when I cant raise my arms above shoulder level. This was noted in the next section tho…again I’m confused. She states that visual field testing is normal in both eyes….this is true, but as a visual field test was not carried out…how would she know? Other than these (quite serious) lies, sorry, errors, I find the rest of the report fairly accurate. She is not english and, although she did have good spoken english, it shows in her spelling…she stated, and I quote, ‘mucsle weakness-mainly on the tights’. At least it made me laugh…
    Having read the report tho, I think I will be needing to appeal. Not impresssed. Will keep you posted.

    Comment by dawn hill — October 29, 2010 @ 11:14 am

  64. Having read through my medical report thoroughly I have now found some more errors…when describing relevant features of physical exam for upper limbs…she states I have restricted movement of upper arms and neck…but that my forearm functions are normal…this is true…but in her summary she states that I have a mild disability due to impairment of the forearms and hands. Good eh? In her medical examination findings she states that forward flexion in my lower back is ‘above knees’ which is true. As I noted before she said ‘none of the above apply’ in the category of bending and kneeling. The descriptors on the diability alliances’ (factsheet 33} website state ‘cannot bend to touch the knees and straighten up again 15pts’. Is it me or is she contradicting herself in such a manner as to deliberately give wrong or misleading information? Does anybody know if the DWPs DMs actually read the whole of the report or just the sections where the HCP has made their conclusions relating to each activity?

    Comment by dawn hill — October 29, 2010 @ 5:24 pm

  65. These glaring innacuracies need to be identified and a challenge made on each descriptor. As you say, you eather can or cant perform the “tasks”. Eye tests, well if you werent informed one was being carried out, then how can you participate to a point where the HCP can have or form an opinion. Before you appeal make sure you go through the report with a fime toothed comb and identify statements which are untrue, fabrications and lies, once you have the reply from your local DM and feel you need to go further enlist the help of your Local Authority Welfare Rights Officer or the CAB, these are good people who will help you with your appeal. Keep us posted

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 30, 2010 @ 10:36 am

  66. Now youre cooking.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 30, 2010 @ 10:37 am

  67. i have just had my second medical and failed i was given 14 points on my first medical and awarded 1 point at my appeal ive been awarded 0 points at my second medical with exactly the same condition which makes me wonder what the hell is going on, ive read on medical websites of doctors being offered cash to not give out sick notes and also my own gp had a friend who worked for atos and left as there was massive corruption and also the guidelines they went by classed us all as scum and wasters it sickens me that when i was able to work i paid my taxes so people who were ill got help now that im in the same boat i get nothing i know it sounds bitter but we know the system is now flawed .

    Comment by Anonymous — November 2, 2010 @ 1:31 am

  68. But the Government are trying to prove the opposite to the general public by thier manipulation of the media. Are you going to appeal? it will be interesting to see how that turned out. lease keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 2, 2010 @ 7:37 am

  69. Here we go again!!

    Passed my bloody Atos Medical – and now the Job Centre want to see me – to see if they can help me in anyway!!!!!

    Do I have to go?

    Comment by goody66 — November 4, 2010 @ 2:18 pm

  70. Have you seen the HCP’s report?

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2010 @ 2:20 pm

  71. No – I have not :(

    Comment by goody66 — November 4, 2010 @ 2:25 pm

  72. Can I suggest you call your local JC+ and demand a copy of your report, its your right to have it. Go through it and identify any inconsistancies and appeal via the JC+GL24 form. You muist act quockly as you only have one month from the date of the letter informing you of your benefit termination to apply. Keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2010 @ 2:30 pm

  73. Apparantly I am on the Work Related Activity Support – I dont know how this is – because most days I cannot even go to the toilet unaided!!!

    Comment by goody66 — November 4, 2010 @ 3:15 pm

  74. Start the appeal process before its too late, otherwise you will just become another statistic and ATOS will think they have got it right?

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2010 @ 6:37 pm

  75. The job centre had put off my meeting for now – and Belfast are sending me an appeals form.

    It must be the same for all of us genuine ones – as soon as you think you are sorted – another silly letter arrives!

    It afffects my problem more. I become tense and stressed – and feel worse than I did before!

    Comment by goody66 — November 4, 2010 @ 6:53 pm

  76. Its all part of thier plan, Joe Bloggs started the alarm bels ringing months ago when he warned all of our readers not to become complacent. Dont worry, its not just you, though thats what they want you to think. We are all going to get it soon. Keep on your present track and appeal, check out the useful templates page on our sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.myfreeforum.org , you may find some useful basic letters there which you can alter to meet your own needs. Keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 5, 2010 @ 7:58 am

  77. my wife fell over in feb2009 smashed her skull had a major brain bleed died twice on way to hospital transfered toQ E birmingham for emergency surgerin may 2009 following a medical (south african doctor) atos say she is fit for work so we appeal (on the grounds that the doctor is unqualified and a disgrace to his proffesionand win this took 11 months then she is called for a atos assesment (june2010) in oct she is called for another medical on arrival this cancelled because my wife (SHE WEARS 2 HEARING AIDS) cannot understand the rumanian doctor a month later next appt guess what same rumanian doctor now they want us to go worcester for this which is 45 miles away we live near Hereford Its very sad my wife thinks it would easier if she had died that day

    Comment by chris woodward — November 6, 2010 @ 12:57 am

  78. Woodward, I am sorry to hear of all your troubles. The system is so hung up on saving money, that they are ignorning the
    people with real problems!!

    Why dont the MP’s etc stop having their ‘expensive business lunches’ – that would save money!

    I am being sent an appeals form now – I hope my money is not stopped whilst this happens.

    My money has been stopped 3 times this year – due to questions, and I have had to borrow from family and friends. It is all more worry

    Comment by goody66 — November 8, 2010 @ 11:05 am

  79. perhaps the gvt should hold the medicals on the same basis as a court hearing
    including the swearing of the oath, at the end of the day we as claimants would
    gladly swear on oath to the condition we are in we just want to be recognised
    and i wonder just how comfy atos would be to swear they are being truthful after all in a court of law they would perjure themselves

    Comment by Anonymous — November 9, 2010 @ 8:56 pm

  80. very helpfull thanks. ive got a doc coming tomorrow and its stressing me…

    Comment by andy — November 9, 2010 @ 9:43 pm

  81. Welcome to our world “A”, I assume you mean an ATOS “Doctor” and you are having a home visit. First try to get someone to witness your medical, if not, try to record it. I have produced a form on the assessing ATOS page of this blog to help you to remember what happend during your medical. Make sure you keep some kind of record of the events today, it is essential you do so as you may need it later if you find yourself in an appeal situation. Keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 10, 2010 @ 9:44 am

  82. Here we go again!!!
    Just had a letter from Reed Employment – wanting me to attend an interview, to help me back to work.

    I now feel that I am (like most of you), being bullied!

    I am fed up with phoning and writing letters to all of these people.

    I have just sent a letter to Belfast regarding Work Related Benefits. What don’t these people understand????????

    Comment by goody66 — January 15, 2011 @ 1:45 pm

  83. Can anybody help with my post above – regarding my ‘summons’ to Reed Employment please

    Comment by goody66 — January 17, 2011 @ 12:15 pm

  84. Please check out our sister forum at http://www.dwpexamination.myfreeforum.org where this subject has been previously commented on

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 17, 2011 @ 5:23 pm

  85. Hi i wondered if they are investigators that will take on these claims that the medical examinations are bogus, i have a congenital birth defect in my spine i have been in chronic pain for 10 years i’m 36 i have problems sitting stand and laying, i have secondary conditions caused my the first illness of disc degeneration disease, a prolapsed disc, femorral syndrome, carpal tunnel and undiagonosed pain in left hip and knee, also have just been given a prelimanary diagnosis of ME. My dispute with disability has been going on for almost 4 years, culminating in me given up on the 2nd pier of my appeal because they could’nt even read the facts in my case correctly they based their assumption on my consultant writing i was ‘very active’ and underneath wrote he had never met me!?! That was based on me complaining that i was a very active youngster and teenager and could’nt believe i had this condition since birth, and that i wanted to do yoga because it was shown to reduce some of the symptons and could they advise me if this would make my condition worse, i was penalised for this. My gp signed me off with a sick note however DWP just sent me on another and declared i have failed although my neighbour just received it because she is a heroine addict!!! I’m so tired of this situation because i cannot claim benefits i do not qualify for any services that could help me and my children, adult social services came and assessed me and provided me with home aids and class me as disabled, all other institutes class me as disabled apart from DWP, they canceled my claim told me i cannot re-claim for 6 months and that i should have income support, spoke to them and was advised my claim was active and to see their advisor done this 3 weeks ago and still have not recieved any money, phoned them today and was told my claim was cancelled because i refused to go through their appeal process because its flawed and one-sided, i would prefer to appeal in belgium in the human rights courts because the quality of my life is poor and they are trying to force me to work when i have trouble taking my children to school.

    Comment by Anonymous — February 3, 2011 @ 5:22 pm

  86. You should always appeal, never gove in, dont let them fob you off with excuses.Contact your local CAB or Welfare rights officer. It will take you years to get your case in front of the human rights courts. Dont punish yourself, ask for help and take the fight to them

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 4, 2011 @ 12:52 pm

  87. I recieve D.L.A and incomesupport/incapacity/ssevere disablement allowance for a anxiety/mental health problem.I don’t know what i am going to be asked or how and i am panicking!

    I have had my problems for 21 years and had only sporadic help from the N.H.S leaving me to the care of charities such as Mind.

    I never set out to get benefits for dishonest reasons-my life fell apart in my 20′s and i have had to live with it since then-WHY is the state of my health MY FAULT?

    Has anyone else out there been to a reassessment with similar conditions to mine?

    I realize they are taking physical problems into consideration so how do i stick to my guns with what is MY health codition-NOT what someone else decides what it is or isn’t?

    Please help!

    Comment by anonymously. — April 12, 2011 @ 5:04 pm

  88. Hello annonymous.

    Log on to our sister sitehttp://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/index.php and think up a username.
    There are people with your health conditions on there that can give good advice on what to do next, and how to handle what’s coming.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 13, 2011 @ 1:05 pm

  89. Help please!!

    I have an interrogation with ATOS “healthcare professional(!)” Dr Marion Minalcea. Does anyone know anything about this person – I have mental health problems and am struggling to cope with the thought of this.

    Comment by caz — July 11, 2011 @ 3:14 pm

  90. Hi caz.

    Click on to our forum, there’s people on there from all over Britain with your condition and they can help.

    Here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/index.php

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 11, 2011 @ 8:46 pm

  91. I was “examined by a “Registed Nurse”, I failed naturally, this was the second time I had been disallowed ESA, I won my first appeal within 30 seconds of sitting down at the tribunal, hope it will be the same this time, not quite so confident however as I am sure the “goal posts” have been shortened considerably recently.

    Comment by Anonymous — July 15, 2011 @ 10:59 am

  92. 30 seconds of sitting down ? just shows how ATOS are so wrong, would be interesting to see how you got on Anonymous.

    http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 25, 2011 @ 2:22 pm

  93. HI I HAD MINE IN JULY AND AM NOW FIGHTING AN APPEAL AFTER I WAS TOLD I HAD FAILED the way i was treatyed by the so called doctor was disgusting he told blatant lies dont think he realised my wife was sitting next to me listening to my answers he then tried to make me walk out side in the street in front of neigbours who all now know my buissiness he tried to force walk me i told him i cant do anymore and had to turn back he left at speed in his car dident leave me anything or say anything just a smirk on his face these people are a total disgrace if i fail my appeal they WILL be taken to tribunial and court…. after his so called medical i was in severe pain and cant sleepdue to worry.

    Comment by colin e w — October 4, 2011 @ 9:36 am

  94. It will be a few months yet before you are given a date for the tribunal appeal Colin, meanwhile read up on the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and get great advice on what you can do in the meantime, what are you doing for money for instance ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 4, 2011 @ 10:03 am

  95. Slipped disk in the lumbar region with associated sciatica. Rotator cuff syndrome of the right shoulder, torn cruciates and a cyst in the right knee. I had kidney disease and an operation to remove the offending article last year and a long standing issue with clinical depression. Because I can at least shuffle 200 yards and lift my arms to shoulder height. Nil points.
    The doctor (doctor indeed) could even hear the noises coming from my right knee when I was forced to do kneeling exercises.
    Maybe I am a hypochondriac, or maybe I have some very real emotional issues. It’s hard to tell isn’t it whether a person is actually capable of working.
    I’ve tried to work since getting cut off by the DWP early this year but I have to say. Not very successfully. Although reasonably intelligent, I don’t deal with paperwork very well. Especially this appeals business which took 6 months to be even looked at. They called me, I said I wasn’t sure whether to continue with it and had to think about it. I get a letter to sign to say I want to cancel the appeal. I don’t sign it. I get another letter saying my appeal has been cancelled anyway. What was was the point of the signature and the waste of paper in the first place.

    My situation is, absolutely flat broke, living with parents, suicidal and I feel close to being another statistic. My dying breath will be to curse a bunch of uncaring public schoolboys in government to feel the same emotional torment, poverty, hardship and physical pain as I have. Just so they bloody understand that I am not a lazy layabout.

    Comment by D Smith — October 31, 2011 @ 4:40 pm

  96. You had every right to appeal, what they want is for you to drop your appeal and this is what they do, just browbeat people in to submission with constant hassle and threats because appealing is bad for them and good for you especially judging by your condition a winning appeal would be no problem.
    Anyway, what you can do now is re-apply for ESA etc if six months have passed when you were informed by the DWP that you were fit for work, then if you have to appeal we can offer serious help on the forum here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ that’s help with paperwork and advice et al (plug and play) in to winning.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 31, 2011 @ 8:37 pm

  97. i have been told i have lost my verbal appeal and now have a written one sent away about a month ago i got a letter saying it could take up to another 11 weeks , i dident get a written report from the witch doctor who was supposed to know what he was doing and he told blatant lies so the next letter will be interesting if i lose this appeal they will be going to tribunial and court alredy seen about getting these fake corrupt people done, i will keep everyone informed fingers crossed , ps i still say thes ATOS doctors are fake and corrupt like the government who brought them in.

    Comment by colin e w — November 4, 2011 @ 12:30 pm

  98. Are you saying you applied for an ESA 85 and didn’t receive one ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2011 @ 1:02 pm

  99. hi is that the doctors report that i was supposed to be left with me after examination [yes thats what im saying]…thanks …col.

    Comment by colin e w — November 4, 2011 @ 2:27 pm

  100. Yes it’s called an EASA 85, they don’t actually give or leave it with you, you have to apply to the DWP for it, and most people don’t apply unless they are appealing, that’s when they see all the lies the ATOS Doctor/Nurse told the DWP about them.
    So if you are appealing, then it’s imperative you get that report from the DWP or you will not know which descriptors you are appealing against, of course it suits them if you don’t see it and that’s why they don’t automatically send a copy, as with just about everything with the DWP you have to ask..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2011 @ 3:21 pm

  101. hi many thanks for your speedy reply sir its very much appreciated,i have just phoned the DWP and requested this report, they did say i should get some kind of reply in the next 2 weeks regarding my written appeal and have forwarded my request for that report, as soon as i find out more i will get back to you once again many thanks….colin.

    Comment by colin e w — November 4, 2011 @ 3:44 pm

  102. You can get more advice here Colin for free at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ from people like you and I who have been through the mill and now help others with their experiences with ATOS/DWP.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2011 @ 4:59 pm

  103. My report was enough to have me erupt into a mental psyche out.
    I worsened a tryin to rip it up. Ended up attacking myself pretty bad over the whole thing, lies, pointless opinionised random comments that were only to put me in a bad light. Nothing explained my situation with the nhs, nothing about my mental state was added, i felt totally victimised by the words used, the lack of truth and facts, the nowhere to turn, just didnt know what to do.
    When mentally abused with chemical toxins via ‘medicinal’ healthcare goes wrong, its truly a time to lose it. When atos get involved? ….. Hell i would not express top anyone what my ideations became. Even scare myself at times. Its a time of which i wish never to repeat, i did go so down hill. Suicidal/homicidal twisted/bitter etc. Albeit the drug was in effect at a high dose still and withdrawal along with adversely reacting, symptomatically, i was a psychopathic, arthritic, confused headache.
    I say it were the drug, end o day, this drug enhances the initial reaction, anger turns to hate filled rage, stress becomes nervous agitational aggression, a feeling of no way out, becomes intentional fighting for survival (potential fatalities of myself and others)

    had this been a few years ago, the brutal truth woulda been a case for dismissal of a ‘dr’

    Comment by Sue E Sidal — December 16, 2011 @ 7:16 pm

  104. Hi, I have been declined my DLA and ESA for mental health problems. Last time my ESA was declined I requested an appeal and it was once when I called to say that I could not attend appointments one morning a week due to psychotherapy that I was informed my decision had been reversed a few weeks before. Now I have only discovered my decline since 5 December when I received a letter saying my “sick note” had run out.
    Is it policy not to tell the claimant about decisions?

    Comment by Anonymous — January 13, 2012 @ 5:18 pm

  105. No it is not policy to not tell you about decisions, they should tell you by letter that you have been refused benefits.
    If I were you I would contact my local welfare rights or the charity ‘MIND’ and find out with their help what is going on.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 13, 2012 @ 5:59 pm

  106. I have an ATOS exam tomorrow, I have had them in the past with no problems (not with atos) but it seems to me the government has hired a new band of mercenaries to lay waste to our ill and disabled! It clearly shows what this government thinks of our struggling under classes!!!
    I found your web site very informative and will take on board all the info I have gleaned, Thank you!

    Comment by Conrad McGarty — January 25, 2012 @ 7:18 pm

  107. Hello Conrad.

    The assessment in itself is not usually a problem, a normal examination is around 20 minutes and is just a bunch of questions basically with a short physical examination for appearances sake, the problems start when you are found fit for work and you decide to appeal and ask for the ESA 85 report, that’s when you see all the lies they tell about you to justify their decision that you are work fit.
    If this happens to you then don’t hesitate to contact us here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and we will try our best to help make your appeal a more pleasant experience than reading your ESA 85 assessment report.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 25, 2012 @ 8:12 pm

  108. Best of luck to you Conrad,

    Comment by Sue E Sidal — January 26, 2012 @ 12:50 am

  109. The exam seemed to go ok, though I did break down talking about my problems! It only took about 10 mins and I was out of there. I’ll just have to wait to see the outcome and hope it is in my favour. Thanks folks for all your support!!

    Comment by Conrad McGarty — January 26, 2012 @ 5:18 pm

  110. Here’s hoping it’s good news..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 26, 2012 @ 6:09 pm

  111. Obviously cannot know but seems a very quick ‘exam’, that can only be a good thing.
    Long drawn out ones tend to be the ‘trying hard to find a wayt to fail you’ or ‘pointless wastes of time’
    i respect the having broken down during the ordeal, its far too personal in all areas, unfair that you are co-ersed into an emotional state..
    My hope is with you, i truly hope all is good and you are given the fairness needed.

    Comment by Sue E Sidal — January 27, 2012 @ 1:04 pm

  112. Divorce, a brother committing suicide, another dying of ill health and recently losing my son aged 13 and my mum in close succession as well as other trauma, they would have to be insane to argue the fact that I’m depressed!! I think that is why the exam was so quick, the breakdown just underlined it! I think they will get off my case at least for a little while! Thanks again for your support.

    Comment by Conrad McGarty — January 27, 2012 @ 5:49 pm

  113. Conrad…No problems, that’s what we are here for, help and support.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 27, 2012 @ 5:57 pm

  114. hi every one i had an assement in august 2011 it was a nightmare over 2 hours i was there ( i have wrote about it on this blog if anyone wants to read it ) it is in the another horror story colum at the bottom of the page . i also failed and scored no points i got a copy of the medical i had and it was full of lies and inconsistences . i appealed through my local unemployed center i also got my doctor on board ANDDDDDDDD i wrote to my local MP .which i think helped me a great deal i won the appeal but the dwp did not inform me ohhhhhhhh no they informed my mp who then wrote to me telling me i had won and that i had been put into the support group .he also sent a copy of the letter that the dwp had sent to him ( not me ) they were not happy about me going through my MP and told my MP that there was a way to go about appeals . in other words i should not have gone through my MP the cheeky barstools .but i do believe that had i not gone through my MP it would still be on going now

    Comment by sheila — February 5, 2012 @ 8:39 am

  115. Hello Sheila.

    They sent it to your MP rather than you because they reckon if your MP wants to fight your battles then he/she can be your carer as well, as you can see it’s a form of insult and I’m sure the meaning of this DWP disrespect will not be lost on your MP either.
    These pen pushing civil servants at the DWP are getting far too big for their boots and something needs to be done about them, for far to long now they have been swaggering around boasting to each other and bullying their claimants and acting as if they are a law unto themselves, it’s about time they were brought down to earth.
    By the way you were quite right to get your MP involved, they don’t like it when the MPs are aware of what they are doing, but at the same time they are so arrogant and think they are special they still treat people like dirt whether the MPs know or not..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 5, 2012 @ 9:13 am

  116. There is only one way to stop the atos liars and that is to record your assessment. I will be up against them soon and they won’t be treating me like dirt as the whole matter will be recorded from being called. I don’t care if they refuse to medical me I will continue to demand a medical until they throw me out. There is a website called consumers defence league – check it out – most sick people have successfully attempted to record their medical and the atos ‘liar’ has refused to do it. Also on the website is a document to download of questions to ask the atos doctor – they won’t even answer the questions – get the feeling atos liars are running scared. Don’t be put off if they refuse to allow you to record – carry on as you set off and don’t give in. The reason they won’t want you to record is that action could be taken against them when you compare your assessment outcome with the recording on the day. Come on folks, buy yourselves dictaphones – reasonably cheap and lets stop the ‘liars’ of atos in their tracks.

    Comment by M enson — February 6, 2012 @ 9:28 pm

  117. Your quite right M enson, they know what they are doing is just downright immoral and recording exposes them for what they are, liars and cheats, imagine doing a job like that ?, knowing you have to lie your head off every day to get a bonus..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 6, 2012 @ 10:24 pm

  118. Nice one, good to see spirited defiance is still rife.
    All the best to you.

    Comment by Sue E Sidal — February 7, 2012 @ 12:32 pm

  119. Hi folks, just had a phone call from DWP the have put me on income support allowance running from early march. That is a hell of a weight of my mind, they will reassess me in 18 months. Just thought i would let you know the outcome, thanks again!

    Comment by Conrad McGarty — February 7, 2012 @ 4:05 pm

  120. Hello Conrad.

    They put you on Employment support allowance that’s great news, you should get backdate money all the way back to last year as well..!!

    I suppose it’s the work related activity group then and not the support group ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 7, 2012 @ 4:58 pm

  121. Im pleased for u conrad. 18mnths is going to go quick in terms of ‘sudden creeping up on u’ so keep alert throughout to endure no hidden scams will creep up too.
    Youve had an ordeal of traumas to cope with and no one has a right to say how long or short recovery will be.
    Go at your own sanitys pace.
    All the best and well done

    Comment by Sue E Sidal — February 8, 2012 @ 2:33 am

  122. NEED HELP PLEASE I DO NOT HAVE AN APPOINTMENT AS YET WHEN TO ATTEND MEDICAL

    Someone reported me to the DWP for not being as disabled as I am claiming for, and now have to be told that I will have to go for a medical. I get high rate DLA on both catorgories and ICB I suffer with Rhumatoid and Osteoarthritus, in my back and all joints, Fibromayalgia of the shoulders, and Depression, I also have a heart problems and unstable angina (getting pains again thru stress that this is causing). I can hardly walk, only as far as my car using a stick which is on a driveway outside my door, when I go shopping for food I have to take someone with me so that they can lift my scooter or wheelchair out of the car, and also put my shopping in the car and take it into the house, also reach things off the supermarket shelves for me. I cannot shampoo or even brush my hair, I have to rely on friends or neighbours to come and wash and brush my hair and do my housework and sometimes even cook a dinner for me and my 15yr old autistic son, a lot of times we have take aways. I have spoken to my consultant rhumatologist and my GP, who are both willing to back me, but have been tod that the medical doctor can over ride their diagnosis.

    You all state that I should take someone with me to the Medical and also record this, but more often that not I am home alone till my son gets home from school.

    Please can anyone advise me

    Comment by cutekitty — February 8, 2012 @ 8:33 am

  123. Hello cutekitty.

    Apparently 90 % plus of these types of calls to the DWP are malicious and borne out of some kind of petty jealousy or revenge rather than fraudulent claims, the DWP already know all this, and are probably long fed up investigating people and finding out that they are not fraudulent.

    As for attending a functional assessment ? everyone who is in receipt of sickness benefit or DLA etc will be called for a functional assessment sooner or later it’s just a matter of time before every single person is called.

    Both your own DRs are willing to back you ? that’s great, the ATOS DRs over rule them all anyway, your DRs are just telling you why should they be any different. Wait and see when you get an attendance letter then take it from there..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 8, 2012 @ 9:27 am

  124. I would certainly buy a dictaphone to record your assessment (reasonably cheap) and go to the website http://www.consumer league defence and download a document which refers to questions you should ask the examining hcp before any assessment takes place. The administrator of the website has put all this together (Recording & questions to ask) and in using this method, atos have on 5 ocassions refused to assess him because of the legality that surrounds his right to record (this can be done as long as you are party to the conversation which you will be). It is always better to have a chaperone to the assessment – I use assessment as they do not take account of anyone’s disability and where medical evidence is available this will not be mentioned when you receive your verdict from the DWP hence the reason why everybody should record the assessment. Further to this, the recording (if the atos hcp allows) will not correspond with what the atos hcp has said. Given that most atos hcp refuse to continue with the assessment due to recording goes to show that they are nothing more than liars and to call themselves Gp’s, nurses etc is an insult to the real caring medical profession. There is a mass of detail on the above mentioned website so take time to check it out – it certainly makes you feel better when you know you have rights and don’t be afraid to fight back – its you or them. If the atos doctors continue to behave in the lying way they do then the oxford dictionary will have to change the meaning of doctor from ‘trained in healing arts’ to ‘persecutors of the sick’. I hope I have been able to help you move to your next plan of attack and the fightback to survival.

    Comment by M enson — February 8, 2012 @ 12:52 pm

  125. Can someone give me the address & telephone number to enable me to put in a complaint about the ‘Dr’ I saw for a so called ‘Medical’ for DLA. last week…..The whole thing was a complete ‘sham’ from start to finish, i honestly felt like i was being interviewed by the Police for some serious crime!!…..right from the beginning i knew i was wasting my time & decided to myself that he just didnt know what he was doing ….early into the ‘Medical’ when discussing health issues i had put on my claim form, i mentioned a cancer related condition to which he screwed up his face looked confused and asked what it was ….the main reason..I was actually there was regarding arthiritus in my knee and hip, ..the questions i was asked were ridiculous !!…ie how many times a day do i brush my teeth !!……the physical examination was pathetic i was asked to bend my knees roll up my trousers to enable him to see my knees then all he did was touch each knee…..he didnt even look at my hip ie check rotation mobility stiffness etc !!…..in the past i had arthiritus in my other hip which has now been replaced so i do know what an examination of the hip entails as ive had them many times over the last 10yrs……..fortunately my Son was with me so all this was witnessed, on leaving the examination he shook my Son’s hand thanked him for coming along and completely ignored me……What a nightmare the whole thing is, these so called Dr’s shouldnt be allowed to get away with treating human beings in this manner !!!……I left there feeling terrible, stressed and confused by it all…..

    Comment by confused — February 17, 2012 @ 1:50 pm

  126. Hi Confused………….. ATOS Hea;thcare Albert Bridge House Manchester, address should be at the top of your appoontment letter. Sned by guranteed delivery (expensive but worth it as you can track it progress) and also get your appeal in now…………. they have to pay you until the appeal is heard. List every single thing they asked or did not ask, tell them that you were treated with contempt (which you most certianly were) get you son as well to write and enclose his letter with yours…………. they should offer at least to re-examnie you BUT do NOT accept the same DR!

    Comment by Christine — February 17, 2012 @ 4:05 pm

  127. Hi Christine, thankyou…I completed my DLA reclaim form in Nov, i got a letter in early Jan telling me i was no longer entitled to DLA,apparently they had requested a report off my consultant which they didnt get, according to my consultants secreatry they never received a request for a report i sent the appeal form off and in the meantime i managed to get a written report off my orthopaedic consultant which i sent to them, then i got the appt for the sham medical, since writing my first blog earlier ive phoned dla for a copy of the ‘dr’s’ report to be told a decision was made yesterday that i am not entitled to dla, & that ill have to wait 2-3 wks for copies of all the paperwork for tribunal…..so my feelings about the ‘medical’ being a complete waste of time were right……cant wait to go through the report !!……..

    Comment by confused — February 17, 2012 @ 7:19 pm

  128. Thats rubbish! They have the report there or they wouldn’t have made the assessment……..keep harrying them to give that report to you! HAd the very same thing, when I threatened them with legal action they caved in……….. sometimes you have to be prepared to really threaten them to get a result. They turned down my DLA and then when I told them a solicitor was waiting to sue the pants off them then they reversed the decison, have been awarded it now for an indefintie period…Tell your MP dr, anyone who can help get this sorted, they really hate it when you fight back

    Comment by Christine — February 17, 2012 @ 8:12 pm

  129. Ill start harrassing them on Monday…..and threatening them……when you threatened them with legal action Christine were you at the stage waiting for a tribunal ?…..apparently when they didnt receive my consultants report they wrote to my gp, i got a copy of his report this morning and was shocked to see he had only put o/a in my knee and my other illness on his report, but had omitted o/a of my hip !!…when in fact its my hip that mostly causes me the mobility problems & his other mistake was that he put the date of my replacement op wrong he was 6mths out !!…when i mentioned this to dla earlier today they just didnt want to know….ive got an appt with my gp nxt fri when ill be confronting him and pointing out his mistakes ……

    Comment by confused — February 17, 2012 @ 11:05 pm

  130. Yes was waiting for a tribunal hearing, passed that with flying colours,was in for about 5 minutes and they gave the decision the day after as they had quite a few to get through. Sentthe copy of the judgement to the DlA lot and got it all reinstated straight away……….. they hate being wrong! Good idea as well to go see your gp…………. tell him to get the facts correct and inform DLA at once!

    Comment by Christine — February 18, 2012 @ 1:07 am

  131. I graduated in Medicine back in 1996 (MB, ChB Bristol) and currently work as a Locum SHO up North (not a particularly stellar career I must admit).

    Can tell you from the grapevine that no self-respecting British qualified Doctor with any credibility would touch ATOS with a bargepole.

    They employ those who simply cannot find work elsewhere.

    Comment by James — February 18, 2012 @ 9:01 pm

  132. Hello James.

    Thanks for the confirmation, we have known for a long time that ATOS healthcare have to scour the dregs of Europe for people to carry out their dreadful work.
    The Senior Nurse in my own GPs practice was offered a position as a Health care professional a few years back, she said at first blush the contract was very enticing, I asked her why didn’t she take the job ? she replied I continued to read the contract..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 18, 2012 @ 11:17 pm

  133. How on earth are they getting away with it !!….cant wait to get my report and google his name because im 100% sure he wont be qualified in orthopaedics…so therefore his report should not over-ride an orthopaedic surgeons report, i mean c’mon we want the organ grinder not the monkey…..i just wish i had read this page before i went then my medical would have gone completely different, i wouldve stopped the medical myself within the first 4mins & questioned him….i still cant believe this has happened, its a nightmare, to think hes sat there & read my consultants report & still not carried out the examination correctly ….its a joke, theyre the fraudsters & they have the cheek to make out its us !!….im so angry !!….Does anyone klnow what info the dla give these dr’s about us for the medical ???………last night a friend of mine got rushed into hospital, i couldnt use my car as its not taxed as from yesterday cos my dla has stopped, so i borrowed my son’s car went down to the hospital, couldnt park anywhere near the hospital as my blue badge is out of date now too, finally found a parking place but there was no way i couldve walked that far it was impossible..so had to go back home, & tomorrow ive got to go and queue up for god knows how long at the local dvla to tax my car….how damm inconvenient !!…..Ill be certainly phoning dla in the morning and giving them a piece of my mind and forwarding a complaint ……ive also got an appt with my gp on friday when ill be confronting him about his 2 mistakes he made on my dla report and ill certainly suggest to him that maybe he should think about working for ATOS !!!…..

    Comment by confused — February 19, 2012 @ 10:07 am

  134. Yes James, ATOS do you use doctors who can’t find work elsewhere which says a lot for those who atos employ – either total failures or are doctors for the sake of being a doctor and nothing more. If this behaviour continues by atos then the meaning of doctor will have to be changed from ‘the art of healing’ to ‘the persecution of the sick’. Thank goodness there are pro’s like yourself who know what the DWP and ATOS are doing and have walked away from the temptation of a nice weekly salary – don’t know how these doctors sleep in their beds at night. One thing I have learned is that the atos doctors (liars) are not to keen to continue with any assessment where the client chooses to record – I will be recording mine whether they like it or not and from there one is in a position to assess what is put in writing with what is recorded – I will be very happy to go to court should any irregularities be listed. At the end of the day this whole matter relates to money and nothing more and given the amount of money paid to the atos doctors on a weekly basis is probably the amount of money paid to 15 claimants per week so how on earth can anyone say a dwp claimant is a ‘scrounger’ and ‘fraudster’ – the real fleecers are those working in and for government.

    Comment by M enson — February 19, 2012 @ 3:07 pm

  135. any meetings one has with these people should be recorded – so buy yourself a dictaphone and demand it be recorded – at the end of the day its not illegal and your right given that you are party to the conversation. Visit consumer defence league website and download a document which relates to questions you should ask the doctor before any assessment takes place- it appears that the atos doctor will refuse to continue with the medical as he/she/they do not wish to find themselves wrapped up in a legal battle coupled with the fact that what is recorded will have to correspond with the written document.

    Comment by M enson — February 19, 2012 @ 3:15 pm

  136. hi all had an appointment with tribunal for dla appeal today at 1.20 pm , 10.35 am phone call appointment cancled they want a doctor to visit me at home . no surprize there ( only the timing ). will record the conversation as advised but not sure if i can record it with video , dont think so . but will post a new thread as to what questions he asks ,as i suffer with asthma arthritis of both knees and lower back ,also tendonitus of most joints , which i have medical proof to back this up.will get back as soon as he has left the house . another tactic by (twatoso) the way atos operate
    thanks terry

    Comment by terry lock — February 27, 2012 @ 12:52 pm

  137. I would certainly apply any means and where video is not permissable would continue with a recorded assessment – at the end of the day this is not illegal given that you are party to the conversation. One thing to bear in mind is that the hcp for atos will not be happy to have anything held on them and will do their upmost to resist such filming or recording – stand your ground and state the bogus medical will be recorded. Chances are they will refuse to carry out the assessment and leave. It might be wise for you to visit http://www.consumer defence league website – click on forums and enter atos recordings in the search area this will bring up some material for you to browse and there is a document within for you to download and read to the atos doc prior to any medical being carried out. Hope you get sorted with irrelevant info prior to the medical and wish you good luck. You must tell the atos hcp about any filming or recording and don’t let them fill your head with piffly crap that its not legal to do such – it is for the reason I stated above. We are all aware these bogus medicals result in false information for the purpose of benefit so by having recorded info will make your life easier when taking your claim further ie appeals etc should this be the case.

    Comment by Anonymous — February 27, 2012 @ 1:29 pm

  138. Cheers Terry.

    Would appreciate it if you went to the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and let them know as well, you can copy and paste it of course..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 27, 2012 @ 2:02 pm

  139. ok thanks for the advise by anonymous ,i think i can video it ,so i will use my webcam ,also will check the link out now thanks again for the advise

    Comment by terry lock — February 27, 2012 @ 3:49 pm

  140. My twin boys had a DLA Tribunal hearing in Dec, which were both adjourned as the Panel wanted more ” HMCTS to commission a report from a Healthcare professional relating to disability living allowance” (very hostile Judge and disabled rep). We had the Dr. come around a few weeks back, general banter I say ‘well you know whats it’s like in the NHS”! He replies clear as day, “actually NO I have never worked within the NHS”. This Dr. was definitely of English decent in his mid 60′s I would have thought. Anyway got reports back today, Headed Disability and Carer’s Service DLA Examination Report not quite the independent report I had been lead to believe it should have been given it was commissioned by the should be Independent Tribunal Service. Well fight is on know we know what we are up against!!

    Comment by Anonymous — March 2, 2012 @ 9:07 pm

  141. Hello Anoymous.

    It’s a myth that the tribunal service are independent from the DWP/ATOS they work in conjunction with each other, they’re not supposed to but they do, and will deny it if challenged…!! Why else would you get a hostile Judge and Disabled representative ?.
    It’s a scam, I lost an appeal last year around the time that the tribunal service were letting ATOS HCPs in the back door to re-examine appellants files, they stopped it when they were found out but that was to late for me, a couple of months later I went to an appeal with the exact same evidence and my appeal was allowed. Figure that one out ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 2, 2012 @ 10:13 pm

  142. in reply to your feed you have to fight on – get yourself a dictaphone and make the other party aware that you intend recording the meeting – take no crap or excuses from them that such cannot be done – it can as long as you are party to the conversation. Don’t deal via telephone – make sure you have a paper trail from the institutions – via phone they will deny anything said (in short unplug your phone between 8am & 8pm and tell your family to text you if you have a mobile and only connect your phone if you have to make a call). In relation to british gp’s working for atos, they are a disgrace and one will usually find they are bordering retirement, retired or struck off and I can’t wait for my time to come before them (I’m an injured NHS employee or just a number should I say) and the question i will ask is, bearing in mind we are con artists claiming benefit (so they think) ‘ you have been treating sick and disabled people for x number of years at the expense of the taxpayer yet all of a sudden your contract changes to atos and you are no longer involved the art of healing but more a persecutor of the sick – who’s the con artist now!!! This is about money and one keeping there heads above water – the atos lot get around £1200 + per week to deprive a sick person of approx £70.00 per week – disgrace – how do they sleep in their beds at night. Stick in their and fight every financial avenue. Me, they pay £5000 per year, I was earning that in 1984, to keep me in prison for a year would cost approx £45-50,000 per year + plus someone would be keeping check on my human rights which we do not have on the outside world + plus there are no places either ( its a luxury now to be in prison – have to go on the waiting list until an available place becomes vacant – it would solve my problems wondering if I could be homeless next week)!! FIGHT FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU ARE ENTITLED TO!!!

    Comment by Anonymous — March 2, 2012 @ 11:41 pm

  143. such as your case we find out who really sticks by who? I am waiting to face all these people and can’t wait. You say in these tribunals there are a judges etc and if i disagree with their with verdict will no doubt proceed to court. I recently had a court hearing whereby a judge agreed that my health problems would go against the respondent – so what is the difference against the dwp – I will fight every avenue – self represented as I no longer trust solicitors (I fought one of them in court over bad malpractice – beat that person as well – self represented as no other solicitor would take the case on)!! Fight on buddy – when you are on state benefit there is nothing left to lose – apart from a basic quality of life. Check out http://www.consumerdefenceleague – and go to forum and enter atos medicals or anything dwp related regarding esa etc and there is a wealth of info for you. Good luck to you – I went to work and ended up a ‘so called scrounger’ because of an employment injury’ – disgrace!! will keep the forum informed when my they call me in – god help them – as thatcher said (I’m not a thatcherite supporter or a tory) ‘the lady is not for turning!!!!!!!and this lady ain’t!!!!!

    Comment by Anonymous — March 3, 2012 @ 12:15 am

  144. Hello Anonymous.

    Thatcher was a saint compared to this lying madman we have at the helm (And I hate Thatcher) this guy listens to know one, respects no opinion, is a compulsive liar and is totally obsessed with giving as much of our money to slimy corporate companies as he can.
    After the next election the Conservatives will be finished probably for ever, and the Lib-dems too, can’t forget those pieces of trash.
    The worst British Government ever known..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 3, 2012 @ 4:15 am

  145. Re: 140. Can I ask if I am right on this please, A DLA Tribunal hearing is an open court is this so? If so would it be ok for me to invite some friends along to my son’s hearings, so that they can see what goes on at these things! Another point the dear Dr. that wrote the medical report has put; in the section, Summary of functional ability, Variability,
    “He plays many musical instruments” (yes my son plays Guitar, keyboard, electric drums) to me this comment is a tad discriminatory – You have a disability therefore no way can you play an instrument- Little info here! my son has a genetic disorder that has left him with a dysfunctional Autonomic nervous System all his bodily functions are effected, yes he can play instruments when felling ok, but in an adapted way, and for short periods of time. But this comment implies that he play an instrument thus he must feel/be ok enough to do everything else, at that time, this is not quite how it works in real life!!! Any way can I bring this up in view of explaining that the Dr. is a tad off course when it comes to disability in the real world.

    Comment by Anonymous — March 3, 2012 @ 8:05 am

  146. just a quick update had a letter today from atos doctor to say he will call on sunday 18 march between 11-2 pm. phoned to find out
    if he thought it was april 1st , he said no i will be there in the said time , i asked him if he has heard of mothers day, his reply was
    pardon , i said i thought so , he sounded about 65-75 years old and his of pakistan origin , so will have to have my recorder ready
    will make a note of all questions he asks and will update asap , many thanks

    Comment by terry — March 13, 2012 @ 10:55 pm

  147. Hello Terry.

    Never heard of mothers day ?, it’s because his mothers a bitch…LOL.
    Please update and keep us informed Terry, and good luck..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 13, 2012 @ 11:09 pm

  148. yes will do , kinda makes you think if atos celebrate xmas or anything , they prob celebrate when you lose your appeal for dla lol?.
    will be back in touch , thanks all

    Comment by terry — March 14, 2012 @ 10:29 am

  149. Hello Terry.

    Makes you wonder if they have time to spend the money they are constantly trying to earn, never got enough, wouldn’t matter how much they earned…LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2012 @ 4:11 pm

  150. Very glad i found this website,very informative.I myself have to go to a ATOS medical in 2 wks time,kinda know now what to expect!!!

    Comment by Colin — March 15, 2012 @ 4:49 pm

  151. Cheers Colin, and good luck..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 15, 2012 @ 6:29 pm

  152. well had my home visit from atos yesterday,the mechanic called about 11.45 i was in bed as i siffer with arthritis of the back knees and hands also depression ,asthma , gave me a 15 min oral exam and a 16 min physical examination, would not allow me to record it but was happy for my partner to take notes , asked me for a list of my medication which my partner gave to him and
    how long i had been suffering with arthritis and tendonitis ,told him three years , how long have i been suffering with depression i said 7 years
    ok i will ask you some basic questions do you know your name and date of birth (lol) i replied yes thank you , well can you tell me please
    so i told him ,then he asked me my age , i told him .he then noticed my 26 in tv on the wall and said do you watch a lot of tv , i replied no as i cannot concentrate on anything ( and that was my test for depression ). he then tried to give me a physical examination , asked me to bend my knees i told him i could not ,so he ended that . then asked me to get out of bed , which i replied i cannot without the help of my partner ,so he asked my partner if she could help me , so after a 3 min struggle i stood up on my cruches ,he then asked if i could walk the 4 metres to my bathroom . i gave it my best shot but could only manage 2 metres then almost fell OK thats enough you can get back in bed now thank you .
    asked me why i was sweating ,i replied its the oramoph along with the 200 mg of trazodone and the 10 mg patches of morphine i take also the pain killers ,oh ok he replied and that was more or less it . i did ask for his gmc number which he gave to me , i also asked for his field of expertise ,he replied geriatrics,i said wonderful just what i need ,he looked at me oddly. the total time was 31 mins, ps on the way back down the stairs my partner noticed him counting the steps ,so as he got halfway down she told him 12 and he replied ok thank you. ( but i had already told him i dont go downstairs unless i have an appointment with my gp or hospital ). asked if i could see his report but he refused and said i could obtain a copy from dwp in 2 days, i did not sign it which ticked him off ,i said im not signing anything i cant read . ok ok he replied . so now i have to wait for
    my tribunal hearing and of corse my report from dwp tomorrow ( should make for good reading) . ok i will update as soon as i have had my tribunal
    good luck all and thanks for reading

    Comment by terry — March 19, 2012 @ 3:28 pm

  153. Good Luck :)

    Comment by confused — March 19, 2012 @ 4:06 pm

  154. Cheers Terry.

    It’s an absolute nonsense that someone with your health problems have to go through that, and to think that people like yourself have been in the past told they are fit for work, and ATOS wonder why people hate them so much, they ought to be ashamed of themselves.
    At the moment ATOS are struggling to cope so they are allowing so many people through with ESA, but almost always the WRAG variety and hoping they won’t appeal, if you get the WRAG and want to appeal for the support group then let us know and we can help give you a start up the greasy appeal pole.
    On the other hand if they dare say you are fit for work, then of course you have no option but to appeal, welfare rights will help and so can we on the forum, up to a point http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/.

    Good luck.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 19, 2012 @ 4:08 pm

  155. Does anyone know what ‘Medical Practitioner’ actually means ?…….the ejit who did my medical just had his name followed by medical practitioner ….no Dr…..

    Comment by confused — March 19, 2012 @ 4:10 pm

  156. thank you all for your advise i have taken it onboard and will update asap thanks again

    Comment by terry — March 19, 2012 @ 5:51 pm

  157. Hi Confused.

    A medical Practioner according to ATOS don’tcare is someone trained (Couple of weeks) in disability analysis, also known as Health care professionals, this is a cover to cater for the various dross (Can’t get decent British DRs) they pick up from all over the world, some of whom are not even registered to practice in this Country.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 19, 2012 @ 8:17 pm

  158. if you have the idiots name and registration number then you can go to the GMC council website and enter his details to see if he is registered. I think medical praticitioners are as near as damn it doctors but he could also be a junior doctor – not too sure. Nevertheless none of them are qualified properly in disability. At the end of the day all they are in it for is the big wage at the end of the week. But hey, get us all back to work then they’ll be out of work as they won’t have anyone to medical!! if everyone keeps appealing, the whole system will collapse and hopefully take atos with it.

    Comment by Anonymous — March 19, 2012 @ 8:50 pm

  159. Hello Anonymous.

    The GMC site is good for letting you know if that health worker (lets call it that) is registered, but the GMC are totally useless if you have a complaint regarding a DRs malpractice. They can’t even stop these foreign DRs from practicing here, so says the Daily mail online this morning.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2116878/Danger-doctors-ignoring-sanctions-practising-powerless-GMC-fails-police-bans.html

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 19, 2012 @ 9:31 pm

  160. Thx dwpexamination & annon…..ill take a look at GMC, got his name but not his reg no, just been going through his ‘report’, nearly run out of highlighting pen .:)……seeing my Consultant on Fri going to get a report off him for my tribunal n looking fwd to seeing what he has to say about that idiots ‘report’…….im sure they make it this stressful in the hope that people will give up n not bother appealing….its absolutely disgusting !!!

    Comment by confused — March 19, 2012 @ 9:39 pm

  161. i am led to believe that all doctors etc have to register and be licensed to practice in this country – where they aren’t registered /licensed can be reported to gmc and be struck off. Check out an aticle sometime ago think it was called – atos doctors could be struck off (Newspaper) – just enter it into your comp and it should come up. I have a head to head with these numpty’s soon and i will be recording and have a witness to take minutes of the whole thing. will update this website when it happens.

    Comment by deleted — March 19, 2012 @ 9:41 pm

  162. Hello Deleted.

    i am led to believe that all doctors etc have to register and be licensed to practice in this country – where they aren’t registered /licensed can be reported to gmc and be struck off.

    Have a look at the following article in the Daily mail online and see if you still believe it ?. As I said the GMC are paper tigers.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2116878/Danger-doctors-ignoring-sanctions-practising-powerless-GMC-fails-police-bans.html

    Absolutely shocking isn’t it ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 19, 2012 @ 10:42 pm

  163. Hello Confused.

    You can get the details from the GMC site ok, but don’t expect anything from them, for the reason why ? please refer to the link I supplied in answer to Deleted/s post.

    Never mind here’s it’s here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2116878/Danger-doctors-ignoring-sanctions-practising-powerless-GMC-fails-police-bans.html

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 19, 2012 @ 10:49 pm

  164. You could look the following up:
    Training and Development Unit
    Guidance for Health Care Professionals undertaking Disability Living Allowance / Attendance Allowance Assessments
    Handbook MED/S2/HCPDLAAAASHB~0010
    Version: 11 Final 11th January 2012
    I found it so very informative! Does sort of explain about DR. HCP’s though.

    Comment by Anonymous — March 21, 2012 @ 11:44 am

  165. Can anybody please tell me if it is acceptable to have an ATOS medical carried out by a Nurse? My previous medicals were done by ATOS “doctors” and I wondered if there is a case for complaint as she failed me with 0 points and I have 2 complicated problems one being purely orthopaedic and the other neurosurgery..

    Comment by Gail — April 2, 2012 @ 1:38 pm

  166. Hello Gail.

    That’s a good question Gail and has been asked many times over the last three years, in fact that question bothered ATOS so much that they decided to stop playing Doctors and nurses, they now call themselves Disability analysts or Health care professionals, this is their way round it, and I think you will find that’s the answer they will give you if you ask them.
    They (ATOS) also stopped calling their assessments as medicals, that’s right they no longer call them medicals they are functional assessments and if you ask why they need DRs or nurses if they are not medicals ? then the answer is ”Well they have a medical component” it’s all mixed signals though because if you look at the booklet (WCA AL1C) that comes with the letter demanding you attend their assessment, then you will notice it says on there ”About your medical assessment” so between the DWP and ATOS they haven’t got a clue what they are doing.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 2, 2012 @ 2:03 pm

  167. i agree with you Gail as had one of these assessment recently had only just had stitches out of hand the day before but it was a nurse who scored me 0 points too although the condition i suffer from is incurable and i am certain she had idea of this condition and she has overridden a specialist who did the op
    off her own bat she has decided how long it will take my hand to heal in 6 to 8 weeks when it is 3 to 6 months to even see if the op has worked
    even if the op worked it will not cure me as it will keep recurring
    would not have minded so much if she had any knowledge of the condition as far as i could tell did not realise it involves nerve tissues and everything else

    Comment by june — April 2, 2012 @ 7:46 pm

  168. I wish I’d known about this forum before my ‘functional assessment’. I stupidly and naively went along with no clue what I was doing. I have been diagnosed with mental health problems, and am on medication. I was pleased that I turned up punctually at my appointment, because I have agarophobia, and there’s no knowing when I will be able to go outside – I have to wait and see. I even told the ‘nurse’ how pleased I was with myself. Today, I got a phone call from the ‘decision maker’ telling me that I will, from today, be ineligible for ESA – I never asked to go onto it in the first place, it was recommended to me by the job centre clerk. So what do the children and I do for income? I can’t apply for JSA because I’ve received ESA this calendar month (It’s precisely the same amount). Desperately frightened now. I don’t know where to turn.

    Comment by Migimoo — April 4, 2012 @ 2:38 pm

  169. Hello Migimoo.

    There is something you can do, first of all you don’t have to sign on, so what’s left ? you can appeal and get the assessment rate, it’s the same money anyway (Rent rebate etc) as Job seekers allowance and if you win your appeal then all the extra money they owe you is all backdated, if you were unfortunate and lost the appeal then you pay them nothing.

    So by appealing you have everything to gain and nothing to lose. You may ask how do I appeal ?.
    Well the first thing you do is ask the DWP for the ESA 85 ATOS report (That’s the report on your health and is what the DWP based their decision on) and also the score sheet, you also ask for a GL 24 appeal form.
    When they all arrive from the DWP you have a good look at the ESA 85 report and you will see all the lies the HCP told the DWP about you.

    Then you can start your appeal, it would probably be a good idea in the meantime to get in contact with welfare rights or the CAB because they can help you fill it all in and keep you on the right road.

    Almost everyone fails the assessment and most get zero points but thousands have went on to win their appeals, it’s all a scam, it’s a con, they hope you will give up and don’t bother them, so don’t fall for it, appeal and win, as I said you have absolutely nothing to lose if you appeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 4, 2012 @ 3:23 pm

  170. Hi
    Im worried sick about my medical.
    I suffer severe depression and anxiety i barely leave my home.
    My mother was seriously ill due to anorexia and alcohol issues in her younger years. Dhe also suffered anxiety n depression. My mum had this medical and was denied her benefit. A month later she gied at aged 39 due to sudden cardiac arrest. Bare in mind she had been in intensive care with phnumonia and a heart attack the year before. Anyway we finally recieved a new form to reapply after an appeal on the day of her funeral..
    I am now 21 & had to take on the family home and billd, funeral cost ect.
    I cannot loose this money i have nightmares worrying what will happen to me and my younger brotherif i was to loose my benefit. Our dad isnt around we have no one but eachother.
    My illnrs ruined my life i had to leave college because of it and pretty much lost all contact with friends because i cant go out because of this irrational fear of what could happen. My medcal is this week and i am really bad with my condition. My mums anniversary is coming up so its extremely hard and also i have noone to go with or transport.
    Im so worried i have anxiety attacks thinking about it.

    Comment by misso — April 17, 2012 @ 12:35 pm

  171. Hi Misso,

    You are not alone, you have found us and we will try help. It is not always easy to help and I often ask for further details so I can help you to decide a course of action.

    First please feel free to join our forum, you can sign up at dwpexamination.org and you will meet other people in a similar situation to your own.

    Next do not go to the assessment alone, try to get someone to go with you and take notes.

    Read the informatrion on this blog and the forum for guidance on what to do during your assessment.

    Good luck and keep us posted

    Nelson

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 17, 2012 @ 3:27 pm

  172. Had an ATOS’ medical’ in Feb, for my DLA…& lost it as ive posted previously,… anyway I went through the eejit’s report with a fine tooth comb, and after hours n hours i finally sent off 9 pages of submissions to the Tribunal Service…Ive been told its gonna be at least July till i get a date for my Tribunal……since then ive been struggling on income supoort emotionally and financially,…then low n behold this morning i got a ‘Limited Capability for Work Questionnaire’ from the lovely ATOS !!!……..so its sure a knocking bet that ill have to go through another pathetic ‘medical’ and be refused again…how pathetic is this system !!!!……cos i cant see one eejit from ATOS going against another ATOS eejit. in their decision….im just hoping n praying i dont get the same so called ‘medical practitioner’ that i had last time cos ill swing for him ……I really feel like just putting all my paperwork in the bin…..wtf are they trying to do to people !!!…this is all so annoying as its all due to my GP not putting my main condition on the form the DLA sent to him to complete, as the decision maker said she sent me for the ‘medical’ as my GP’s report was a bit sparse with info …ive mentioned this to my GP many times, each time he replies it wont have made any difference anyway, all the criteria has changed………i got DLA previously for o/a in my hip which i had replaced in 2009,when o/a started in my other hip…. so the only difference now is its in my right hip as opposed to my left hip …and also in my knee….im slowly but surely losing my patience with my GP now as hes had ample time to correct his mistake, and also on the same form he put my op date wrong he was 5 months out !!!……….think i should suggest to him he goes n works for ATOS !!…..

    Comment by confused — April 26, 2012 @ 2:04 pm

  173. For people on the edge and thinking about giving up.

    I have been fighting for help since October 2010, had two scam ATOS medicals and a real medical from a real none greedy none bribe-taking Doctor.
    As a result of my perseverance, as I too came very close to giving up, I have now had my decision reversed.

    I have been to court twice, making me feel like a criminal, (never been to court before), had both hearings adjourned, had a DWP representative present at both and was awaiting another court date when I received the letter this morning informing me I have the higher rate mobility indefinitely and the lower rate care, which I am not happy about as I had that already before they took it of me when I applied for mobility.

    I am now awaiting the back pay so that I can stock the cupboards and start living a sort of normal life having struggled on incapacity benefit for two years whilst having to pay for prescriptions, council tax and my mortgage without any help.

    Don’t give up, fight this unjust corrupt system.

    All these appeals are costing the government more than they are saving by denying people any resemblance of a normal life.

    Comment by Kev — May 14, 2012 @ 9:49 am

  174. Hello Kev.

    We urge everyone to appeal Kev, this system is corrupt to the core, we are up against serious criminals who want to deny us our rights and eventually take them all away from us.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 14, 2012 @ 10:59 am

  175. Do you agree or disagree that the disabled are bearing the brunt ?.
    Click on the link below and cast your vote.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9263453/500000-to-lose-disability-benefit.html#pd_a_6225639

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 14, 2012 @ 7:49 pm


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