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ATOS Checklist

The forum has now moved to www.dwpexamination.org

It is a well established fact that the DWP Personal Capability Assessment is difficult to pass. This is because the DWP and ATOS Healthcare have conspired against the sick and disabled and have deliberately designed the assessment to benefit the DWP and not, as it is reported to to help the claimant back to work. This biased assessment is little more than an official method of denying you benefits you may be legally entitled to. There is an appeals procedure, however it is a very long and drawn out process which can take up to a year to resolve so be prepared for a siege. Based upon evidence and case studies provided by P.C.A. veterans I have put together a check list you may wish to run through before you go to your appointment.

An assessment sheet and contact form can be found on this blog on the assessing ATOS page and in the useful templates section on our sister forum   http://www.dwpexamination.org

On receiving communication to attend from ATOS contact your local authority welfare rights officer or CAB IMMEDIATELY  for assistance in completing the ESA 85 or IB50 form.

It is imperative you read these  three Manuals to understand the ESA WCA with a view to gaining enough points to pass.
You must be aware ATOS HEALTHCARE will use any excuse to deny you benefit.     (NB) They do not have compassion or sympathy, and don’t listen to sob stories.
Google ESA WCA Descriptors click on ESA work capability descriptors.
Google LiMA V3 technical manual med IBPW001e
Google ESA Handbook 1 Finalmed-esahb-01
Use the wording in the descriptors to explain your condition

Be prepared to make extensive notes including name of caller etc of any calls to or from the DWP or ATOS after receiving the form. Record these if possible

When completing the form make sure you stick to facts you can prove, do not embellish your symptoms, be precise in your use of medical terms.

Make a full copy of the ESA85 or IB50 form BEFORE YOU POST IT.

Do not include any copies medical reports  or additional information as this will be ignored by the ATOS HCP, this information should be handed in by appointment to the Decision Maker when you start the appeals process.

Make arrangements to be accompanied on the day of the examination, make arrangements for a stand in, in case your first choice can not go on the day.

Make a list of any medication you are taking.

Make an accurate list (times and dates) of any Doctors appointments, specialists appointments Hospital visits, doctors visits, hospitalisation in relation to your claim etc

Always attend accompanied

Record your arrival time

Record waiting time

Record time examination starts

Do not be afraid to decline physical movements if they would cause you pain.

Record HCP name

Record HCP Title & or qualifications

Get your companion to make notes during the examination.

Record time examination ends

Record the time you leave

Check the credentials of your HCP with the BMA or GMC.

Call your local JC+ within 24 Hours requesting a copy of the HCP report.

Do not take any further action until you have the Decision Makers report.

If you have been passed fit for work you must act immediately to appeal, you have one month from the date of the letter to do so.

Under new rules the appeals process requires you to appeal directly to the Decision Maker first, this has always been the case, but the difference between the new rules and the old rules is they do not need to pay you the assessment rate while they are considering, and now if your appeal is considered or reconsidered and disallowed you have to appeal the the first tier tribunal on your own, the DWP will no longer do it for you. Be prepared to wait this can take a while.

Whilst waiting:-

Make a F.O.I. request for any information ATOS Origin hold on you

Make a FOI request for a copy of the video footage of you entering and leaving the building.

Make a FOI request for any audio recordings ATOS may have made during the time of your visit (even if they are for training purposes).



  1. Hi,
    Regarding the above infomation. I am awaiting a Home Visit.Are there any tips and Infomation for a Home Visit,and one burning question I have is, as it will take place in my own Home,can I record the Visit,as I was grossly “mis quoted” after the last home visit which was my first,which was less than one year ago.I am fearing this 2nd home visit will be even worse !
    I see I can decline physical movements,which is really helpful,as the first time I was pressed to attempt them,even attempting them gave me pain.

    Thankyou !

    Comment by Gabby Hassan — September 21, 2010 @ 4:57 pm

  2. If you do record the session and you tell the ATOS HCP you are doing so they will object and probably decline to examine you, thats 3 points in thier eyes and your benefits will probably be stopped. I can only say thet personally I would do it covertly and not tell them, I know its not admissable at Tribunal but its a great aid to your memory. I believe that ATOS record all medicals held at thier offices and I think I can prove it, thier excuse is it is for training purposes. Make sure you are not alone during this “examination” and are accompanied by someone, preferably not a family member who will take copious notes throughout. If you have a dog, cat or any other pet make sure they are not within sight or hearing of the HCP, they assum if you can look after a pet you are fit enough for work. Make use of the contact form to keep a record of any conversations with ATOS or the DWP and also the assessment sheet on the assessing ATOS page 0f this blog. Remember, they will put on a friendly face and try to lull you into a false sense of security, dont be sucked in by it, its just a ploy and part of thier training. Good luck and keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 22, 2010 @ 7:09 am

  3. Thankyou for your above advice. I would never have thought anything about Pets ! as it happens I do have Pets but my Husband looks after their needs,I just get the nice Cuddles from my Kittys.But I will do my best to extract them before my visit.
    I wonder if you could tell me what the “contact form ” is that you mention above is ? Yes,the last Dr I had seemed very nice and as you say did exactly that,lulled me into a false sense of security,suggesting I would be fit to work within 6 months,whilst I am under my GP and a Sonsultant,and my Consultant has told me straight that I will never work again because of my conditions and should remove such thoughts from my head.
    So many thanks,if you could just advise me as to what exactly this Contact form is,because I dont think I have one?

    Comment by Gabby Hassan — September 22, 2010 @ 10:04 pm

  4. P.S…Sorry I have just found the form you are referring to but I’m slightly confused now.Am I meant to fill this in about the Dr who is going to visit me? and if so,how does this help me?
    Sorry if I appear to be bewildered,but thats exactly how I feel.My conditions give me many problems,and cognitive disfuntion is one of them.I just find all of this throughly draining :(

    Comment by Gabby Hassan — September 22, 2010 @ 10:11 pm

  5. OK “G”, No problem, the contact form is designed to help you to record any telephone conversations you have with the DWP or thier enforcement arm ATOS. All you need to do is to print a few off and keep them by the phone, the form will prompt you to extract information from the person you are calling or the caller. It helps you focus, get thier name and nuimber, record the date and time of the call and notes of what was said These notes can come in useful as a reninder in any later dispute. The DWP and ATOS hate it when we ask for names etc, they dont like giving out information as they refer to live in the shadowy world of disinformation.

    The assessment form is designed to be completed by the person accompanying you to a medical at one of thier Medical centres or during a home visit. It reduces the need to take notes whilst recording the performance of the HCP, assessing thier building etc.. Best thing to do is to ask someone you trust to have a lok at the forms. If they dont understand them get them to comment on the blog and I will be happy to help.

    Good luck and keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 23, 2010 @ 8:17 am

  6. When you send your IB50/ESA50 I have found this looked at by JCP first, then sent to ATOS to call a client in for an assessment. Anyway I would send all my hospital letters/fit note etc and list these in the IB50/ESA50 form as sent with this form. They will not have any other option other than to consider this as eveidence(which they do not want to do see thats why they tell you not to send them with the form!) I know they say not to send them with the form but that is ATOS pulling the wool over the claimants eyes. You do have a right to send all your paper work and they must look at them, aslo send them to where you claim your benefit from also and make sure you get a reponse that the JCP have recieved these letters,make sure you do this weeks before your assessment, when you send your letters write a seperate letter saying “Im sending you letters dated XXX from XXX stating about my blah blah etc as long as you have another letter listing all the letters you have sent this is evidence that you sent them and all you have to do is get a letter back from them saying they recieved them! as they(JCP) are sneaky and say “Nope we did not get them” this would be after they stop you benefits after the ATOS HCP fails you for your assessment.
    Also when you have sent your IB50/ESA50 off email ATOS and ask have they recived you form and then send a copy by email to them this a sure thing that they got your form….your motto do not take chances with ATOS/JCP cover your back at every turn they are out to stop your benefits and do not care about your health! Good luck x

    Comment by sandy — March 5, 2011 @ 8:20 pm

  7. PS- Also send copies of your hopsital letters by email to ATOS stating these are to go with your ESA50/IB50 from then keep a copy of every email you send and copies of repsonses. If you do not get a reponse keep reseding the email they will answer you eventually

    Comment by sandy — March 5, 2011 @ 8:24 pm

  8. OOO and OOO ask for identificaion of the HCP you are asked for yours at the assesment and ask what thier occuption is I mean you do not want to be seen by a midwife when you have heart problems a midwife would not know about this!If your pregnant and you go into labour she may be able to help…. do not smile too much you won’t be given brownie points for smileing, they will put you as “The claiment was cheerfull/happy” when really you felt like sxxt.

    Comment by sandy — March 5, 2011 @ 8:35 pm

  9. Taken from handout I was given at (Durham) assessment yesterday, because my ‘witness’ took notes. Said from ESA handbook: MED-EASHB-001
    The DWP never requires that a medical assessment for the purpose of advising on entitlement to state sickness or disability benefits can be recorded on audio or videotape. (Well of course they wouldn’t).
    Such a claimant request can only be agreed with the prior consent of the examining practitioner, and then only if stringent safeguards are in place to ensure that the recording is complete, accurate, and that the facility is available for simultaneous copies to be made by a professional operator, on equipment of a high standard, properly calibrated by a qualified engineer immediately prior to the recording being made.( There is a bit more but struggling to type, but basically no way you going to get permission.)
    Next bit about taking notes:
    Persons who are entitled to be in attendance are always entitled to take notes. This is because it is for their own purposes and not an official record of the process. To attempt to deny is likely to be contrary to Human Rights legislation. To request a copy of the notes is unlikely to be helpful it will place you in the position where you will be obliged to review the notes and comment on their reliability. However you should record in the medical report, the fact that notes were being taken. The following warning should also be given and the fact documented in the report. LiMA will offer phrases as an optional addition. For any handwritten report, on the rare occasions when this is necessary, the report should be annotated on the front cover.
    The form of words you should use has been clarified on legal advice. Please replace any copies of existing desk aids you hold with the one incorporating the following form of words:
    “Where notes are taken by, we consider it of assistance to both myself, as the examining practitioner, (slip- should have been consistent and called themselves health professionals),and yourself to point out the following:
    1. It is your right to take notes for your own use and benefit.
    2. The notes will not be included in the report I make, save for the fact that notes were taken and further, they are not accepted by myself or the DWP as an official record of this examination.
    3. If the notes are subsequently produced at anytime for any purpose, such as part of an appeal process, I the Examining Practitioner, my employer and the DWP reserve all rights to challenge anything in the notes in the event we are asked to comment on the notes at a future time. ( do your worst- bring it on. It works both ways!)
    4. You are free to use your notes as you choose but if you choose to publicise the notes (other than in connection with correspondence with the DWP or under any appeal procedure) I would ask ( what no threats? Does this mean they cannot force us to comply?) that you do not publicise my name.”

    Comment by rebelliousstreak — May 10, 2011 @ 4:14 pm

  10. The Practitioner refused point blank to give me details about her qualification, and nursing no(it will be on register anyway if she is a nurse), and asked about her specialist knowledge, informing her I was aware that the contract between DWP and Atos states they should have specialist knowledge pertinent to my conditions. She gave me the vague stuff ……We are all have broad based training etc, so I said fine, but with no evidence she could not examine me, because she couldnt prove she was a nurse and because of the run around they gave me for 2+ hours in the waiting room, causing me stress and discomfort, and the assessment took 2 hrs too. She said she would have to report it and I said fine I will also be doing so. At the beginning (after a retreat to her colleagues because she was not liking my requests)she came back and accused us of interrogating HER. LOL I pointed out if she can question me, according to the contract she is under, I can question her. They dont like it when you quote them verse and chapter makes them Very uneasy. Had same with their security guard/messenger. They are giving me the runaround over getting a copy of my report too. So I said my doctor wants one too and I will ask him to get one, as Atos claim under DWP literature,they send him one, and he said he has never had one for me! Let us keep at them, and make them squirm.

    Comment by rebelliousstreak — May 10, 2011 @ 4:33 pm

  11. God this sounds bad ive got appointment in july Brighton . But going to request home visit as driving journeys hurt im a good hour away plus im on morphine for pain . Sounds like its a forgone conculsion that ill have to appeal i awaiting prob another op on back fushion , god i hate all this and the daily pain im in , do they relieze the worry and stress they cause us honest sufferers of life disabling conditions. Any help and thank you for making people aware that atos are devils in dark clothing. Regards Mr .

    Comment by Mr worried. — June 26, 2011 @ 1:46 am

  12. Hi MR.

    They don’t want to carry out home visits, mainly because it cost’s extra money and eats in to their slimy profits, they have another problem with home visits which is, they are worried they visit some bampot with a grudge against ATOS/DWP and decides to hand out his own brand of justice.

    Well if you worked for the DWP or ATOS, involved in the illegal business of stopping genuine people with health problems from attaining their very means of existence, would you be happy visiting them at their home. NEITHER WOULD I. it’s only a matter of time before someone kicks one of them all the way from their door down the street, and all the way back again.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 26, 2011 @ 6:44 am

  13. Many thanks dwpexamination for prompt reply.
    Do you think i should push for the home visit and stick by it , regardless of the negative responces im getting.
    I cannot believe the amount of problems genuine disabled people are having with nasty , uncaring, sneaky and sly Atos and Dwp . I really cant believe some of the stories ive read on a simply search of Google, plus your great page , ive learnt alot from just your page i just wished id read it sooner as we sent of our esa form without a copy ,god knows what they will try and pick holes in .
    You stated you can refuse movements that may cause me pain am i within my rights to refuse,plus my wife is my carer,she will be with me do we have to inform them my wife will be taking notes for our records ?
    Plus when do i contact the C A B i guess soon as desision is made , like you have stated 99% will be found fit for work .
    Is there an insentive at Atos for them to deem all claimants fit then ? Any pointers eg how long am i expected to wait and interview time , like the other person wrote sitting and standing for longtimes causes unwanted further pain . Would i be able to call a halt to interview if pain becomes to much and what would be the outcome or is that a silly question . Many thanks again.

    Comment by Mr worried. — June 26, 2011 @ 12:19 pm

  14. Hi Mr Worried.

    You don’t have to carry out any activity that causes pain, just explain the situation, any attempt to force you is totally illegal, if you are found fit for work, then that’s the time to contact the CAB or Welfare rights.
    If you push for a home visit they resist your request as far as they can, it’s up to you if you want to jump through all the hoops and hassle they create.
    I suppose it all depends if you can make it to the ATOS assessment centre, if not then you don’t have much choice. so click on here and get that extra advice. http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/
    Make it to the centre and you are fit for work and have to appeal, don’t make it to the centre, then you lose your benefits because you refused to attend the medical assessment.


    Comment by dwpexamination — June 26, 2011 @ 1:32 pm

  15. Dear Mr Worried,
    I had both my WCA’s at home.All I did was ask my Dr to write a letter to say he supported my request for a home visit.It was quite simple in my case,as sitting for any period of time is very painful for me.But you can only try.The 2nd WCA I had they sent the usual letter and appointment,I rang because someone had told me that if you have had 1 home WCA then the 2nd should automatically be at home,but being ATOS and being as they are they said they still needed another letter ! which I asked for from my Dr again.The good thing is if you have an understanding GP they are getting quite wise to ATOS and know they are so unfair and relentless. But do ask your Doctor.
    Dont do anything they ask if you know it will give you pain,say so to the Dr who preforms your WCA,just say I wont attempt that as I know it will cause me great pain.
    With regard to the message above,even thoe I did’nt attend the medical centre and it was done at home I got awarded zero points,had 21 points in my 1st home WCA. I had to appeal and go to Tribunal,but was awarded 15 points back.I have heard that when the Tribunal reach 15 points they just stop anyway? but I have also complained about my medical,am in the process of taking it to the independant tier and have been compensated by ATOS for all the mistakes made by the Dr in my 2nd home WCA. His medical was unfit for purpose,I brought up lots of errors and mistakes. We can make a difference we just have to be dogged and do it through the right channel’s .
    Good Luck Mr Worried

    Comment by Gabby Liza Maria — June 28, 2011 @ 9:55 pm

  16. HI i’v just got my letter 4 my medical i.v been out of work 4 a long time due to illness and now reading this site i’m really scared that i will have to go to work i really am incapable if i appeal will i lose benefits if i have to take it further will i have to pay for it. What should I look out for in the assessment. Help i’m having a panic attack now and i only got the letter today. Has anyone get access to ATOS , DWP HCP forms that they use on the assessments can I ask to see my assessment on the day so i am happy with their answers. WIll I be penalised because I dont look Ill (FMS & depression dont show) Can someone please help I am so worried now.

    Comment by HJACKSON — June 30, 2011 @ 7:29 pm

  17. Hello H.

    If you are found fit for work, you will lose all right to sickness benefits, but you can appeal and you will get the assessment rate while waiting for the appeal to be heard, the only other option is to sign on for jobseekers allowance. And since you are ill signing on is ohttp://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/index.phpbviously not an option, so an appeal is all there is left, this is the whole point in finding us fit for work which is to make life as unbearable as possible so we give up. click on here to the forum and get expert advice

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 30, 2011 @ 10:32 pm

  18. Hi I had a home visit in april for my esa benifit,i am a double amputee and had an op on my right knee,the asseser or who ever they are asked me loads of questions about my disability,next thing she asked me to show her my prosthetic legs then take them off to prove to her I had no legs then she started prodding and poking my stumps,i felt so humiliated and after she left I burst into tears.they dont seem to care about the disabled persons feelings.they are now starting on my husband who is disabled,he has heredatary spastic paraplygia.he carnt move one leg infront of the other and I have to help him with most of his daily tasks,they have refused him a home visit.do non of these dwp workers or the goverment have a heart.

    Comment by Sharon — July 24, 2011 @ 4:05 pm

  19. Hello Sharon.

    The answer is NO, they are totally heartless, and this abuse will never end, pass one test and then it’s time for another, it just goes on and on like some nightmarish merrygoround, we are fighting these people here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ so join us and help us beat them.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 24, 2011 @ 5:27 pm

  20. This site has been fantastic, thank you. My husband has been sick for a long time (blood condition, knee problems, heart issues, and mental health problems caused by all of the above). Recently we recieved the 20 page questionaire to fill in (which I photocopied every page of after it was filled in) and not only were the questions on that so badly worded it was almost laughable, but when I sent it in, I discovered that they hadn’t bothered to read any of it. I specifically said on the form (as I had to fill it in as my husband is unable to) that he would need a home visit. He suffers for agoraphobie, heart palpatations when leaving the house, and extreme stress at being forced to deal with people. This was all explained in detail on the form, and when we got the letter saying he had to go down to their assesment centre (along with laughable directions on how to get there on the bus), I called them up to ask about the home visit.

    The lady I spoke to informed me (after taking all my husband’s details, and without confirming with him that it was all right for me to speak on his behalf) that they do not take into consideration ANYTHING when making the assesment appointments. So, what was the point in filling out a 20 page questionaire? None really.

    She did, however, inform me that I could get a letter from his doctor stating the reasons for needing a home visit, which I did (He isn’t so bad at going to the doctors these days, but that’s a once every two month visit to the same doctor where he sits in the far corner away from everyone until his appointment time and then sees the same person he’s seen time and time again). So I told her that was fine and what to do, and at the end of it, she informed me that even when sending the letter to them (by fax only, might I add) that they can STILL refuse to organise a home vist.

    How they can do this is beyond me. Unless they have medical experience with mental health issues, and access to a person’s medical records, what gives them the expertiese to say whether a person is or is not fit for visiting them at their centre?

    His appointment is supposed to be next week (we were only given 2 weeks notice for the thing), and as yet I haven’t heard back to say if we got the home visit. If they do deny it, however, then I am going to go down on his behalf, with the letter from his doctor, and wait for the appointment and then explain it all to them and take my chances with the appeals process.

    However, I have to admit, the whole thing is scaring me stupid. And I’m not the one who’s ill.

    Comment by Michelle Birbeck — September 10, 2011 @ 6:20 pm

  21. Michelle…… your story regarding your husband is not unusual, in fact it’s par for the course, what’s happening to our country is beyond belief, these people like ATOS and the DWP decison makers are getting away with murder, we are fighting them here at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ everyone who can must join us and expose this ruthless cruelty.

    On the above forum we provide information on how to appeal, who you need to see, what to do next, what benefits you can apply for whilst waiting for the appeal to be heard, the DWP do not provide this information, you have to find out for yourself.
    But have no fear because we have done the breaking to save you the aching, Pick a username and log in and find out what this Government has in store for us with regard to welfare reform and the NHS, and help us do something about it…!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 11, 2011 @ 8:42 am

  22. Iain Duncan Smith on the Andrew Marr show this morning foaming at the mouth, and banging on about people not being able to go to work because they can’t afford it, his solution is to reduce the welfare benefits and starve them to work rather than provide work and increase wages.
    In other words the carrot and the stick, which really means a rather large stick and no carrots, he was just out of church this morning probably preaching and singing hyms of ‘love thy neighbour’ and ‘how great thou art’, this man is nothing but a hypocrite and a charlatan.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 11, 2011 @ 8:57 am

  23. hey just thought i would let you know i failed my medical at atos and am going to appeal as i looked at the points awarded by the WCA and i scored myself 93 points!!!!!!!! my answers to the so called examiner were on the most part clear cut and even if they did misenterpret some of it on the questions i know could not have been misinterpreted i would have scored at least 50 points. I seriously regret not taking someone with me as i live 5 minutes away from the examination center. the state of my mental health means that i get very uncomfortable around certain people have no organisational skills cant make my way to anywhere i am not VERY familiar with feel sick on public transport dont pay attention to risks and have possibly the most irregular and uncontrolable sleep pattern ever, (I will sleep for anything up to 24 hours and will not be able to sleep for a further 24-36 hours afterwards until i am exausted, when i am asleep i am almost impossible to wake and if woken will be asleep again after 5 minutes.) ATOS believe i am fit to work just wondering what any of you think about this as i would find it laughable if not for the fact that my benefits have been stopped

    Comment by Anonymous — September 28, 2011 @ 1:33 pm

  24. how long are you expected to wait for a medical assessment? I claimed ESA in May 2011 and have yet to be given a date for face to face examination. Having suffered a subarachnoid haemorrhage I not that I should only tentatively be offered a face to face and yet I have waited 23 weeks so far for a decision to be made

    Comment by Anonymous — October 16, 2011 @ 10:27 am

  25. well, after a good few months of waiting and worrying and planning for the worst, I’m happy to say the worst didn’t happen. We had the at home examination, which left me feeling even worse (and I’m not the one who is ill), because the guy turned up 15 minutes early and then was only here for 15 minutes. I then spent the last two weeks wondering when we would get the decision, and planned for the worst. I mean, how can someone make a decision in just 15 minutes? Especially when the person who is ill has such a complex illness that it takes me more than that to explain it and its side effects to someone.
    However, having said that, we did get the decision letter yesterday (on a Saturday, so we wouldn’t have been able to do anything about it until Monday had it not been a good decision). I have to admit that I was nervous when I was opening the letter, and already planning out my appeal letter and how much of a bollocking I was going to give them. But when i opened it, I was highly surprised to find that they had ruled in favour of my husband, but not only that, they have said that he is ill enough to not need to do any work focused activity. On top of that they are actually giving us more money.

    So although ATOS are still some of the most horrible people imaginable, and exceptionally unfriendly, there is hope. It might take a while to get there, but there is hope.

    Comment by Michelle Birbeck — October 16, 2011 @ 11:56 am

  26. ATOS usually contact claimants within 13 weeks of signing on, youre lucky to have waited so long for a contact. why not sign up to our sister forum at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and post the question. I must say, it unusualk to be left alone for such a long time.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 16, 2011 @ 3:37 pm

  27. Well done, its always good news to hear one of our members or commentastors has had a good outcome to an assessment. Why not sign up to our sister forum, its free and there are many other like minded people there with stories to tell. I think yours will raise the spirits of our members. You can sign up at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 16, 2011 @ 3:39 pm


    Hi guys, sorry to hear about the nightmare stories, but never fear Blazin Storm is here.

    I went for an assessment (Wolverhampton), and informed the ‘nurse’ that i was going to use my phone to record the assessment. she said i couldn’t as they had a policy on recording,As state in the above post. i agreed to the conditions of recording and with professional equipment, but stated that i was not going to cover the cost of the recording as it was their policy, so they would have to cover the costs. They agreed unwillingly, but said that they did not have the equipment and would have to loan it from the DWP. they sent me. i was sent another appointment. (this is against the LAW (Equality act 2010)).

    I attended the appointment and was given a CONSENT form to sign.(consenting to the recording). I read the form and it gave the usual information about how long they would keep the recording, where it would be stored, etc. Paragraph 5 of the CONSENT form stated that they had the right to give a copy of the recording to the DWP if they requested it.( that is no problem, but it means that they can give their copy of the recording to a third party). The 6th paragraph stated that:

    ” the recording that you have is to be used solely for the purposes of your benefit claim and cannot be published or reproduced”

    I said that i was not agreeing to that so i crossed out paragraph 6, initialed it and signed the rest of the consent form. The receptionist came back about 15 minutes later with another form and said that the manager would not accept that i crossed out the paragraph and wanted me to sign another copy, which i refused on the grounds that by putting a condition in the consent form, it turns the consent form into a contract. They refused to give me an assessment, so i went straight to the job center and complained that ATOS had refused me an assessment on 2 occasions.

    I was telephoned later by the DWP and i told them that they could not force me into a contract with ATOS and i would not sign anything that had stipulations in it. The woman said that she would ask ATOS to change their CONSENT form. She phone later and said that they wouldn’t change it so she would contact the Contracts manager of the DWP. I was called on the next day by a DWP rep who agreed that i didn’t have to sign a contract with ATOS, but that i may be ;liable to prosecution if i used the recording inappropriately (Empty Threat). I told her that as the recording contained my own personal information i could hang it off of the top of Big Ben if i wanted and there is nothing they could do about it. I also told her that i was willing to undergo any assessment but if there were any stipulations that implied any kind of contract with ATOS i would not sign it and if ATOS refused me another assessment, for any reason i would expect my full benefits,while ATOS and the DWP sort out their contract with each other.

    ATOS sent me another appointment for the 2nd NOV. 2011. Watch this space!!!!

    I can beat these idiots at their own game and so can YOU!!!. I’ve only come into contact with them twice an MADE them change their policies twice. I already told them that they would wish they never met me and once i beat them i will tell everybody how to beat them. i cannot expose my plan at the moment but i will within the next few weeks, but until then remember

    You DO have the right to have your assessment recorded (Audio or Video). when you receive the appointment, inform them straight away that you want to have the assessment recorded as set out in their own policy. Under the Equality act 2010, they must have provisions in place for disabled people.
    Do not sign ANYTHING that stipulates what you can do with your copy of the recording. (under the Data Protection Act) you can request a copy of the recording and then are free what you want with your own personal information jf you have already been duped by this stipulation).

    The law states that you must attend the assessment.in order to get your benefits, and the government employ ATOS to conduct these assessments. The contract that ATOS have with the DWP means that if they refuse you an assessment after you have made all reasonable attempts to undergo an assessment, they are breaking the law and denying you the right to your benefits.

    The reason that ATOS and the DWP are getting away with these injustices is mainly because WE, the people, are letting them get away with it. The more we do this, the more untouchable they will feel that they are. We can beat them if we unite and stick together. The protests that we see going on around the country are not effective but i am planning a protest that will cause major disruption to ATOS and the DWP and will be in touch with the moderators of this site an many of the other sites in due course, Until then keep checking these sites for more information.

    Don’t get worried, and don’t get Mad. GET EVEN

    Blazin Storm

    Comment by Blazin Storm — October 27, 2011 @ 6:27 pm

  29. Hi Blazin storm.

    I like your style. you have the passion that whips the blood, and we need more folk of your calibre, could you do me a big favour because this needs to be better known, and stick this post in the forum, here at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ this will be lapped up like whipped cream.

    Good work Blazin storm.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 27, 2011 @ 6:54 pm

  30. Blazin Storm. Please post this story in General Discussions on the forum, well done again?

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 28, 2011 @ 2:46 pm

  31. Hi. Great site. My home medical couple of days and scared stiff. Need some advice plz. I live wit heart probs, brittle asthma of which landed me in hospital 22 times admitted. Even more trips to casualty and 4O or more ambulances over the years. Also suffer wit migraines, anxiety, agoraphobia. At least on the day they come ill be very wheezy, breathless, odd heart beats wit nerves adding to stiff neck and shoulder blades. What r atos playin at treating others in a manner they would hate.

    Comment by Anonymous — October 31, 2011 @ 3:24 pm

  32. I appreciate many have one health problem that they suffer with terribly and that will affect their everyday lives. but given the health of me- no 32, wat job wil jcp offer someone like me? By health problems above how many points do you think ill get in my 1st assessment? Atos- (the slimy gits), wont tell anyone where the points lie. Someone please help!! Please!!

    Comment by Anonymous — October 31, 2011 @ 3:51 pm

  33. What are they playing at ? well to be honest they are making money for themselves and it’s no game I can assure you, they get a bonus for every claimant they find fit for work, it’s not about helping you it’s about helping themselves, and that’s why they must be stopped, we are doing that here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ if things go badly for you and you need to appeal or need other advice then free expert help is available at the above forum

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 31, 2011 @ 6:58 pm

  34. Many thanks for yr reply. Yr right about atos being out for themselves. If things go really badly then the interview wil be stopped by mum, (my carer) and an ambulance will have to be called. I am scared my benefits would be stopped then based on not being able to completed medical. Nice to find advice on my phone though. Im sure many people with good health who manage to work and complain about people on benefits dont have a clue. I would swap with them anyday. Will keep my eyes on this site for any other helpful hints or info. Many thanks.

    Comment by Anonymous — October 31, 2011 @ 11:24 pm

  35. Don’t worry whether you think your benefits may or may not be stopped that’s something you have no control over, if the worst comes to the worst you can still receive benefits, we can show you how at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ amongst other things, so just pick a user name and log in when you feel ready.
    By the way ATOS will almost certainly have notices on their walls saying something like ”we are not responsible for your benefits, see the DWP etc” the truth is halfway, they are both responsible, ATOS make up the lies and the DWP mindless decision maker/s (who has no medical knowledge) rubber stamps everything in sight.
    Anyway as I said that is something you can’t control, nobody can, so don’t worry about something you have no control over, and appeal and still get benefits if you believe their decision is wrong.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 1, 2011 @ 6:29 am

  36. Thanks. Noticed that some were examined by nurse. Was also told i would be seen by a health care professional. I rang atos straight away askin what the qualifications were. Atos told me it would be a nurse or doctor. I told em i did not wish to be seen by a nurse (no harm ment to nurses) wen i am under 3 different teams of consultants. I have a HCP M comin out. Not sure if we can name these on site? And do your own review? My wish of a doc was met. I may do the recording on my mob. Its in my home, and not tell them. At the end of the day they will not know, may have some of blazin storms fight in me yet. Would ask for you to advertise this website but anyone in the frame of mind like us will soon find it.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 1, 2011 @ 7:58 am

  37. Hello. How do i pick a user name and go onto the forum please? May seem daft but Only got my phone internet to look at info and have no access to e mail or have a clue how to set it up.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 1, 2011 @ 8:43 am

  38. Evening all. My brother P went through the medical ok. Thankfully his health condition has since improved enough for him to go back to work. He has been working again now for 2 months. He had a phone call from Atos yesterday asking him to come in for an assessment- what a joke! P has some advice : – 1) atos will talk fast trying to get you to contradict yourself. If they do this ask them to slow down, if they do not then ask them to repeat their last question. They soon get fustrated and slow down. Usually they get annoyed with this and you sit there nice and calm- revenge is sweet! 2) if you secretly record the interview and then have to go to tribunal you have evidence of their lies, possibly in front of a judge- again revenge is sweet! 3) if the assessment goes on for a very long time act uninterested, shows your lack of concentration and that you can get tired quickly. 4) remember Atos use underhand tactics, the more helpful tips for worried people the better disabled and unwell people can reassured.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 1, 2011 @ 9:48 pm

  39. That’s great his health has improved and can get himself away from the hell that is ATOS, yes you are right ATOS and the DWP decision makers use underhand tactics alright, they will try any trick to deprive genuine folk from receiving their benefits. What a sad sad company, they can’t get their results fair and square and have to stoop to lies and dirty tricks.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 1, 2011 @ 10:15 pm

  40. Morning, I have my medical this morning. Given the bad reputation of Atos I am concerned. I fear meeting new people and am dreading the fact I could be placed in a work related activity group as I know I could not cope with this. Going to use some of P advice. Gonna fight to a tribunal if I have to. If I can fight to breath and live Atos and tribunal should be easy. Watch this space and I will let you know how I get on.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 2, 2011 @ 9:38 am

  41. Cheers Anon.

    And good luck this morning, let us know in the future what the result was, and don’t forget the future help at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 2, 2011 @ 12:28 pm

  42. Hi. My home Medical now done. Not sure wat the outcome will be. Not gonna panic now based on some of the docs words. ” once on esa claiments will have to go through these assessments every so often and in my case he thinks it will be once at year”. Does that mean he thinks i have gained enough points or indirectly the doc telling me there points are high and i have got esa?? I was not lulled in by their nice manner or quick questions. They say when a claim form comes they will contact my consultants. Watch this space.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 2, 2011 @ 12:56 pm

  43. Hi Anon.

    It does sound positive, but you never know with ATOS healthscare, anyway if the worst does come to the worst then as I said you can get plenty of advice on the forum.

    Cheers and good luck.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 2, 2011 @ 4:23 pm

  44. Does anyone know how long after the medical its will take to get my results or esa outcome please? Is it weeks or months? Will my benefits still be paid meanwhile?

    Comment by Anonymous — November 2, 2011 @ 5:13 pm

  45. Hello Anon.

    It could take a week to in some cases over 7 weeks to find out if you are fit or unfit for work, it just varies, my last result was 3 weeks and the time before that was 6 weeks, as I have indicated it just depends.
    If the worst comes to the worst and you are found fit for work then you will find that your benefits cease straight away and on the spot, no messing whatsoever, of course you must appeal immediately, and we can show the whole procedure on the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and also what to do about rent and council tax rebates and what to do about money while waiting for the appeal to be heard etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 2, 2011 @ 7:16 pm

  46. Hi. This is comical! Seen a recruitments website for atos. They are looking for highly trained doctors, nurses, and physio’s. Atos offer further training to their employees to a higher level with further training. What Atos really mean its that they want people with the above qualifications to work for them, (as if they are not already highly qualified and skilled enough in their own right), get further training- (what an insult already to highly trained medical people.) I would love to know what the extra training is to these future, already highly trained and qualified employees- learn to be judgemental, cold hearted, shut off from emotions, pass the buck, selective hearing and unemotional personel but dont worry, your puppet strings come free!!

    Comment by Anonymous — November 3, 2011 @ 12:25 pm

  47. ATOS don’t have highly trained and highly qualified people working for them, all ATOS have are the dross, because no decent Dr or nurse would work for them and that’s the reason why they scour the dregs of Europe looking for what they can get.
    If ATOS were a highly reputable company, they wouldn’t need to advertise at all, decent staff would beat a path to their door through word and mouth alone, therefore there would be no need to even announce vacancies publicly.
    The so called extra training is an indoctrination course, just in case anyone who joins their scummy company hasn’t got the message (unlikely but just in case) or fully understand whats expected of them..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 3, 2011 @ 1:49 pm

  48. Hey hey, dont forget I am on your side- yr having a pop at the wrong person. Any doctor would have to have several years of medical training under their belt if trainin in this country. Outside of this country can often be bad training. I dont diss the doctors or qualifications of doctors trained in this country as some have saved my life. I was simply taking the mick firstly out of the Atos website and secondly out of the further training!!

    Comment by Anonymous — November 3, 2011 @ 2:24 pm

  49. My doctors seemed like a retired Gp. Very professional. Moaned about the fact that her employer was not keen to pay their very own staff and as her face dropped and her story went on she then changed her conversation on to the matter in hand. I truly believe that any company have a couple that do have a reasonable side to them. Perhaps I was very lucky on that occasion?

    Comment by Mary — November 3, 2011 @ 3:05 pm

  50. Ok Anon, sorry and point taken.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 3, 2011 @ 3:52 pm

  51. Not particularly informative folks. You will never take this company down until the governments falls on its backside. Having a page helping joe public get through a medical interview gives loonies a chance of getting their hands on benefits that they should not have. If this information is easily handed out then genuine poorly people have a hard time gaining life saving benefits!

    Comment by Anonymous — November 3, 2011 @ 4:09 pm

  52. And why shouldn’t Joe public have the right to know the truth, that’s the point, and because they are being denied the correct information ATOS/DWP are running amok and doing as they please, with the result genuine poorly people are having a hard time gaining life saving benefits because of a lack of advice in the public domain, these loonies as you call them don’t need to come on forums and blogs for advice because just like you…they know it all and don’t need anyone’s advice.
    Now…have you got anything particularly informative to tell us ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 3, 2011 @ 6:49 pm

  53. Nothing useful- you are fighting a loosing battle though.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 3, 2011 @ 8:14 pm

  54. YOU ? obviously that doesn’t mean YOU then ? since YOU are not one of us then why do YOU bother visiting this blog then ?.
    I have already gave you free advice below and not a word of thanks, there’s benefits and work why don’t you join up with them, they only charge around £20 for their advice, maybe YOU are one of them.
    Goodbye and good luck.
    (PS) The word is losing.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 3, 2011 @ 9:32 pm

  55. If You Fight and lose you have done your best ,best to fight and loose than not to fight at all.The poster is probably one of those what trots out what can I do.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 11, 2011 @ 2:22 pm

  56. You can only do your best. 52 has a good thought regarding the Government. In the next election any Parliamentary group in favour to help the disabled will have my vote! Perhaps Black Triangle Campaign would stand in Parliament for election???………………. :)

    Comment by Sarah jane lewis — November 19, 2011 @ 2:41 pm

  57. They would get my vote as well..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 19, 2011 @ 6:23 pm

  58. Hello there, i have an ATOS “Doctor” coming to do a home medical/assesment tomorrow morning as i appled for DLA 3 months ago. I suffer from Osteogenesis Imperfecta which means my bones break easily and i have lax muscles, low muscle tone and it has caused deafness in my left ear due to inner ear bones crumbling so i also have to wear a hearing aid. I suffered many breaks as a child and up to the age of around 15. I had a relatively dry run in my 20’s only suffered approx 4 breaks from 2001 until 2010 and held down a full time job for 9 years, Then last Feb i slipped and smashed my femur and knee requiring surgery and lots of metal work, then in sept whilst still recovering from this injury i broke a bone in my foot, i had metal work from knee removed in feb 2011 and I was then told i will need a full knee replacement but bcos im only 30 they would try to avoid it for as long as i can get away with it but then in sept this year i slipped again and totally shattered the knee that needs replacing and my right arm. Both requiring surgery and more metal work. So when i got out of hosp i thought bugger it and applied for DLA as my sister with OI recieves this benefit. Just to mention i was made redundant whilst on sick with my femur injury but didnt claim anything then, i just relied on the hubby. Anyway, i still have a brace on my leg and splint on my arm. I asked my surgeon why all of a sudden ive started breaking again and he said its an age thing it tends to happen more so in women with OI and after a scan they found i also have Osteopenia (thinning of the bones), which will most likely lead to Osteoperosis. I’m absolutely terrified of this doc coming as its the same one that failed my brother a few months back saying they couldnt pay him a benefit for an event that was unlikely to happen…ie break a bone…hes broken at least one bone every year of his life!! Should i mention that he failed my brother as he said that this so called Doc had very little knowledge of OI. I wonder wether i should hand him some print outs from the Brittle Bone Society or would that be classed as rude??? Any advice would be much appreciated. Thank you in advance.

    Comment by WorredSick — December 18, 2011 @ 11:22 pm

  59. Hello Worried sick.

    So this so called Dr is a soothsayer as well as a charlatan ?.

    If I were you I would say nothing just let him carry on with his bogus assessment, ironically enough that suits you because you can appeal against any adverse decision he makes and when you see the ESA 85 report he has to send to the DWP and yourself if you request it then the mistakes on there will not only be seen by you but the appeal tribunal as well, in other words the more tripe he puts on there the better it is for you at the appeal hearing, we can help with that appeal here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ so relax, let him do his worst and if you do not get your legal entitlement then appeal with our help, win the appeal and get all the money they owe you backdated.
    Also if they find you fit for work then do not delay, apply for the assessment rate, this will get your rent rebate, council tax rebate, and some weakly money to live on while you wait for the appeal hearing.

    REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELAX, and let ATOS and the DWP worry about their statistics, just don’t become one yourself..!!

    Merry Xmas.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 19, 2011 @ 2:23 pm

  60. Does anyone possibly know how long it may take to get an answer. Had my assessment 7-8 weeks ago and when I ring the ” joke shop” I keep being told its still in a pile waiting to be looked at. By the time I get an answer I will probably be due another visit. Thankyou for your time. Best regards, sicknote.

    Comment by Anonymous — December 27, 2011 @ 11:10 pm

  61. Hello Anon.

    Amazingly enough they are probably telling the truth for once, it’s still to be looked at, if it was me waiting for an answer they can take all the time they like just in case it’s bad news, and if it’s good news well then I’m no worse off..

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 28, 2011 @ 9:53 am

  62. My other half refused to go for a medical before Christmas and this week we recieved a phone call to say they will be doing a home visit this week.

    Any pointers?

    Other half is on DLA and InCap. I’m on Carers for them too.

    Comment by GeeDee — January 2, 2012 @ 5:35 pm

  63. Hello GeeDee.

    Just understand it is not a medical but a functional assessment, the whole idea of the test is to see what she is capable of doing not what she is not capable of doing, being able to walk around the house and up and down stairs (will not meet the walking descriptor) and is a sure fire way of demonstrating to them she is fit for work.
    Remember the whole point of the assessment is to get her of sickness benefits and on to Job seekers allowance and whether she is ill or not means not one bit of difference to them, so the descriptors with there associated points are an indication of where you must look, if the worst happens then an appeal is at her disposal and again the descriptors is the way forward with help here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and the local welfare rights office or citizens advice bureau.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 2, 2012 @ 6:48 pm

  64. Hi. Just an update. Me no 32. Just ad my results- 12 point. On to esa wil wil be going to wra groups. Lost my dad last week. Now stressed.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 3, 2012 @ 2:17 pm

  65. Im going for an assessment on Thursday and am so scared. My husband who is my carer is taking me. I suffer with severe anxiety and panic attacks. I hyperventilate when im stressed and can’t deal with unfamiliar situations. I have a long term menal health problem. When i spoke to the DWP I was struggling to get my breathe and my husband took over speaking to them. Because im not totally housebound im not entitled to a home visit. My doctor is going to prescribe me medication to get me to the assessment. I can’t go in the lift and have requested an assessment on the ground floor of the building. Im told that this probably won’t be available.When i rang ATOS and asked if people could help me if i hyperventilate i was told they would call an ambulance. My psychologist and gp say im not fit to work and are angry that im being put through this. I can’t even walk along a busy street so how do they think i can work? Any advice on dealing with my forthcoming assessment would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

    Comment by EJ — January 8, 2012 @ 3:55 pm

  66. Hello EJ.

    The actual assessment itself is not something to worry about because you will find that the HCP (Health care professional) is extremely friendly and accommodating, of course it’s all an act to give us a false sense of security, but the bottom line is they want you in and out as fast as possible (That’s usually around twenty minutes) and the best way they have found to do that is to be overly nice, false perhaps but effective and I suppose since we know what their game is then it suits us, because that’s what we want, in and out of their farce of an assessment as quickly as possible.
    And we can then get down to preparing ourselves for the inevitable being told we are found fit for work then the reading of the fabricated assessment report, then the appeal to the first tier tribunal, any help you may need to prepare for the future tribunal can be found here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ you can also get help from your local welfare rights office.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 8, 2012 @ 7:00 pm

  67. hi i have an atos medical for dla, i actually requested this for my ill sister, she has a number of health issues, i look after her daily to manage her basic tasks. She presently receives lower care/mobility dla, i applealed this with the request that i would like a home visit so they can see for themselves, but having read this blog im wondering did i do the right thing? please help…

    Comment by Anonymous — January 19, 2012 @ 1:48 pm

  68. Hello Anon.

    It all depends on how bad your sister is healthwise, be aware that a domiciliary visit from ATOS costs them money and that is why they try and fob you off, plus they are all scared of being bashed, you can visit here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and get all the help you need on any other questions you may have.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 19, 2012 @ 2:30 pm

  69. How can we deal with this? When being transfered to Esa I have been told I have to attend the job centre for interviews with a disability advisor. Been under them before, they cant spell your illnesses let alone know how they affect your daily life. Can a letter from your Gp help? I suffer with agrophobia and claustraphobia- (My spellings and probably just as bad). The idea of sitting in a small office with people I do not know and leaving my home is something I fear weeks in advance of knowing. I cannot cope with this anymore. I fear leaving the job centre in an ambulance or panic attacks. Can a letter from my Gp get me away from these interviews? Ttfn.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 22, 2012 @ 7:49 am

  70. Hello Anon.

    Were you transfered to ESA without having to attend an assessment ? if that’s true then the DWP must already know your health condition precludes you from attending anywhere because they have acknowledged this by not insisting you have an assessment.
    If you were forced to have an assessment on the other hand, did you visit them ? or did they visit you ? you can see what I’m getting at ? if they visited you and you were transferred on to ESA then they obviously cannot expect you to leave your home. And yes I’m sure a letter or confirmation from your GP would help, but like everything to do with the DWP don’t take it for granted.
    But if you made the mistake of visiting ATOS health care for an assessment instead of demanding a domiciliary visit from them then you may be on sticky wicket.
    I sincerely hope it’s one of the former and not the latter. I would be interested in how you get on please let us know.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 22, 2012 @ 8:07 am

  71. Your advice is wonderful, yes to assessment and it being done at my home. My Gps letter carried enough weight to have my assessment carried out at home due to agrophobia. I found that uncomfortable as meeting new people is an anxious time for me. Now sat at home not only suffering with the anxiety of it all but an irregular heart beat. Am due at my surgery next week for Ecg of heart and to see my lung nurse and Gp. Will take parents with me for both. Thankfully my surgery is 3 minutes from home but still dreading it. Am considering writting a will next week as I reach the age of 31. If my heart and lung disease does not kill me soon the dwp will. If the government does not cure me then they will certainly kill me. Bloody idiots! Sorry- just so angry. If I write to the coalition will they respond?

    Comment by Anonymous — January 22, 2012 @ 10:14 am

  72. Hello Anon.

    You got a domiciliary visit by ATOS and the conceded ? that’s good, see your GP ask for a short (Can’t expect a long drawn out affair) getting to the point letter and send it on to the DWP, better if someone hands it in on your behalf, the DWP have got a habit of claiming that old chestnut it was lost in the post (Keep the original and hand a photocopy in for the same reason, GPs receptionist can do it for you if you ask) then wait for the DWP answer.
    As for writing to the coalition ? yes that would be a good idea to highlight the difficulties people with your health conditions experience, but expect a templated reply along the lines off : We are moving people with health problems in to work and we have found that work focused interviews is necessary to help motivate and save people from being dumped on benefits for life etc etc etc.
    It won’t say exactly that beacuse I just made it up, but take it from me, it will be something along those lines. But please do send your MP a letter if he/she is coalition because the more letters of complaint the more they will feel it, and if your MP is not coalition you can still send a letter asking why it hasn’t occurred to these numpties that someone with agoraphobia etc have difficulties with the DWP amongst other things, and is there an alternative to demanding that they attend the unattendable. Again expect a template letter, but as I said the more letters of complaint highlighting the stupidity of the welfare reforms the better, you might not know it but these MPs pace up and down worried that they may lose their precious jobs, some letters of complaint help to concentrate their minds on the work they are being very well paid for.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 22, 2012 @ 11:17 am

  73. I’ve had to finish work after 40 years with several health problems, signed on for JSA not able to do jobs offered moved onto ESA then attended medical then received the letter telling me I had scored O points so benefit stopped and told to go back on JSA. WHat really annoys me is they hadn’t even contacted my Consultant or GP about my medical problems, just made some judgments on my answers eg I was able to walk from car park, could fill in my own form, able to operate a mobile phone?? didn’t smell of alcohol?? (don’t even drink) didn’t seem on drugs(never took one in my life!) looked kempt and well!! How do they know how I feel inside. Luckily Welfare Rights helped me get my money reinstated and now I wait for my appeal all this has made my depression worse than ever and I am dreading going to appeal but if that’s what it takes but what happens if I lose do I go back on JSA I can’t look for full time work as I’m not capable so where do I go?

    Comment by Jinxy — January 22, 2012 @ 8:14 pm

  74. Hello Jinxy.

    That’s a good question and is actually a very common one, if you do lose your appeal and let’s hope you don’t, then you can just reapply for Employment and support allowance again, there’s three stipulations though, at least six months have to pass before you can reapply, and you must be able to supply the DWP with a sick note.

    Since you are appealing it’s highly likely more than six months will have passed before you attend your appeal, this means you can reapply if you lose, and since you are ill then getting a sick line (sometimes called a fit note) should not be a problem. The other stipulation is a worsening of your condition or a new condition, when I reapplied I stated pain in my hip that I never had before, in your case since these people have driven you round the bend, only you can tell if it worsened your depressive condition..!!

    By the way let me explain something and this goes for anyone else who is reading this, the DWP and ATOS are in the business of depriving you/us of our benefits they are not part of some kind of altruistic/benevolent society and interested in our well being (have you got enough cash there lads ?/how about smokes ?/we could put you up in a nice hotel tonight lads while we wait for your medical report), so since for them to start contacting your/our GPs or Consultant will almost certainly return a report they will not care for, then it stands to reason why they don’t bother to contact them.
    Of course if they thought for even one micro second you/we were not genuine then you can bet your bottom dollar requests for reports would be flying in left right and centre and the Government will make sure they all are free as well and part of the GPs new contract.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 22, 2012 @ 8:48 pm

  75. Good evening. Had a typical letter explaining that I was now on esa, work related activity group. I am about to start the appeals process. Any help? Rang the jcp, asked for a copy of my assessment report, quizzing why I may have to attend a job centre with agoraphobia, (Confirmed by my Gp), with an advisor who can advice me on how to manage my illness or disabilities, (the only accept advice on my health from my teams of hospital consultants). Is there anything else I can put in my letter of appeal? Perhaps I should be sending letters to my consultants instead thanking them for all their hard work and effort but instead of them treating me there was a jcp advisor who thinks they are qualified. Our doctors and consultants should be writing to them to thanking the dwp decision makers and atos for adding to their work load and patients worstening health problems. I am sure atos really stands for- atrocious troubled obstructive shits. What next from dwp? The big ben clock is starting to lean with cracks in the walls and a man said on the news that he wonders if its was a signs of the state of this country. Think he may be right. Ttfn.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 23, 2012 @ 10:22 pm

  76. Hello Anon.

    You can get all the help you need to appeal to the support group here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ just think up a username (not anonymous) and log in, then go to the General discussion page and ask any questions you like, they will help you get it going.
    As for big ben ? well the houses of parliament as well as big ben are sinking in to the mud of the river Thames it seems.
    By the way once your appeal is in motion you will not be required to attend work focused interviews, after you win your appeal though you will receive a letter saying you have been placed in the support group and can attend work focused interviews if you wish, that of course means you are not obliged to attend.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 23, 2012 @ 11:28 pm

  77. Hope I have done the right thing- sending an 11 page appeals letter. This morning I recieved a copy of my medical report. Many boxes ticked were that none of the about applies and yet on the next page there are some notes, (with limited information) reasons to tick different boxes from above. I think the decision maker did not read the information but just the boxes the atos hcp ticked. Further more I find that there are pure lies and health problems underestimated. So glad I had someone else in with me for my assessment. On my limited movement the doctor says I have normal movement yet during the assessment my right arm could not go above shoulder height. The doctor did not examine my neck or shoulder. There is a part on the form about incontinance. The box ticked was none of the above applies again. Yes his notes explain that I wear a pad and dont always get to the wc in time and suffer with incontinance. I wish the hcp would make his mind up. Either I have a problem or not. The good thing is that anyone with half a brain cell will soon see that the hcp has contradicted them selves to the point I have make 23 points in my letter of appeal of adding the info the hcp failed to write down and where he has contradicted themself. Take care.

    Comment by Kimbely — January 25, 2012 @ 4:52 pm

  78. Hello Kimberley.

    The tribunal will see through the ATOS lies alright don’t worry about that, it’s what you say when questioned on your functional ability on the day at the tribunal that will count the most. Contend the descriptors is the way to go..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 25, 2012 @ 5:34 pm

  79. Thank you for your thoughts. I cannot cope with attending a tribunal so hoping for one without me. Hoping for a re-assessment without me but think my long winded letter will wake the decision makers up a bit. They need to look at the info in my original claim form, see the evidence from Atos and not just to look at the boxes at the hcps tick. Good news on the upcoming blog on name and shame the atos staff. Its will be great.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 25, 2012 @ 7:41 pm

  80. Hello Kimberley.

    If you do have to attend the tribunal then don’t worry because the questions are what you would expect and are all pertinent to your condition so if you answer honestly and stay cool then you should be ok.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 25, 2012 @ 8:17 pm

  81. Thats ok thanks. To go to a tribunal means having my Gp give me some form of calmer eg diazepam or some other form of sedation which would help to get me there and prove the level of stress this is causing. The other choice is to try and attend it without and let them see me in a panic with tachycardia. The hcp that examined me now has a massive complaint against him. Hope he is not at the tribunal- think my carer and family are ready to knock him out.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 25, 2012 @ 8:37 pm

  82. Hi Kim.

    Which one you choose is up to you, I would suggest trying to get by without it, and just be yourself.
    There is no way the HCP who examined you will be there at the tribunal, more likely to be at the ATOS assessment centre stuffing over as many folk as possible to earn as much blood money as he can get.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 25, 2012 @ 9:10 pm

  83. Atos seem to have canisters of air freshners up their asses. When you are still in their room and they talk its seems nice (false) but when you get the medical report it seems they lie still talking out their asses but it stinks.

    Comment by Kim — January 28, 2012 @ 9:36 pm

  84. Kim…They have been getting away with it for so long, it’s hard to believe !! Not one single person has ever written in and said their assessment report at ATOS was spot on, not one, but plenty have written in saying they are nothing but liers…and no one with any kind of authority takes any notice..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 28, 2012 @ 9:54 pm

  85. That is so true. If you refuse the assessment I presume they can stop your benefits just like that. Any idea what happened to the 12 atos staff under investigation? I think it was on the news but I have heard of no outcome. I think it may have all been swept under the carpet, (possibly by this government as they are doing all their dirty work). Think the gmc may be involved.

    Comment by Kim — January 28, 2012 @ 10:18 pm

  86. Just one last thought. I know you will be taking this fight to the news papers ect but please accept my idea of the red button on the news channel. There is a choice on ‘whats affecting your community’. Often news on charity events ect but these benefit assessment being unfit for purpose has been mentioned on the the heath section but perhaps free publicity for this and its sister blogs? Just a thought. I am only thinking small time and am sure you will probably be frying this fish higher up with more publicity. I was thinking of writing in myself but did not wish to bring any reprisal or jepordise anything you were are already doing. Take care for now.

    Comment by Kim — January 28, 2012 @ 10:38 pm

  87. Refuse the assessment and they shop you up to the DWP and they stop your money, so attending is forced or starve.
    It’s difficult to get any news on what’s happened to the ATOS Drs they don’t exactly advertise anything that’s going to show them in a bad light, so as you say it all get’s swept under the carpet.

    There is a rumour going around that the DRs were taken claimants away on a train to a place in Eastern Poland called Sobibor, somebody is spreading lies telling anyone who will listen that it is a death camp, absolute nonsense and don’t believe a word of it because I was reading the Daily mail this morning and I have full confidence in them when they say it’s just not true and is enemy propaganda. Cameron wouldn’t do that ? well…would he ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 29, 2012 @ 8:54 am

  88. Some relief. Seen my gp today. Told him everything regards recent health and he wants me on antidepressants and councilling. I have of course said no and explained most of the anxiety caused by atos. He said to go and see him when i get any further news from atos. Surely our Gp’s and consultants letters can carry some extra weight in our fight?

    Comment by Kimberly — February 2, 2012 @ 6:23 pm

  89. Hello Kimberley.

    Since you are appealing the DWPs decision that finds you fit for work then ATOS will not be contacting you, why would they ? your fight is now against the DWP and their erroneous decision.
    And if the DWP get back to you after they have reconsidered and inform you that your appeal has been denied, do not believe a word of it, because this is a trick they try on everyone, the hope is that you are persuaded that your appeal has been heard and failed when in fact it was only a decision makers reconsideration.
    If you or anyone who reads this gets one of those letters then contact them and make sure you get it across politely that you are disappointed but would still like to carry on with the appeal to the first tier tribunal.
    And don’t forget if you haven’t already done it to tell them that while you wait for the appeal to be heard you would like to be put on the assessment rate, because they have a habit of conveniently forgetting to mention it, but strangely enough they always remember to tell us we can sign on for Job seekers allowance…by the way your own Drs letters and medical reports do carry some weight at the tribunal but not with ATOS.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 2, 2012 @ 7:00 pm

  90. Thank you again. Was never told about the assessment rate. I was told I would go from incapasity to esa via my joke of a medical. I have also been told that the rate of benefit would not change while my claim was going through the tribunal stage (at least 6 months) but assessment rate never mentioned. Just hoping my dla is not stopped by the joke of dwp ect saying fit to go into the wrag. They are making fools of us by failing to inform us of important options. Thank you once again.

    Comment by Kimberly — February 2, 2012 @ 7:52 pm

  91. I’ve discovered they never contacted either my GP or my consultant before I went for my medical with Atos Obviouslly I’ve been turned down and told I’m fit enough to work all this decided on a medical lasting 40 minutes with no knowledge of my medical history-it’s disgusting. My GP informed me that they have wrote to him to say I will be fit enough to return to work within the next few months,perhaps they know something I don’t and I will be miracously cured!! All I can do is wait for my appeal and see what happens.

    Comment by Jinxy — February 2, 2012 @ 10:47 pm

  92. Kimberley…If you are going from IB to ESA and you are found unfit for work and hence entitled to ESA the rate does not change but if you fail to gain ESA your money will drop drastically , in fact if you are told you are fit for work you will receive nothing and have to appeal so the assessment rate is the rate you are paid when you have to appeal if you cannot sign on for work.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 3, 2012 @ 1:46 am

  93. Hello Jinxy.

    They never contact your GP unless it helps them, if you have to appeal then we can help, also don’t forget to contact your local welfare rights for advice.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 3, 2012 @ 1:58 am

  94. Is heating a can of beans or soup, or adding boiling water to Pot Noodle really ‘preparing’ food ? I was bullied into agreeing with the ‘nurse’ who tested me to-day that the above mentioned procedures constitute cooking and food prep; I think Jamie Oliver would beg to differ !
    It’s pretty obvious the examiner was trying to deliberately low score me ……even though I tried to get it home to Her that I don’t cook .

    Also, how do they think a nurse can ‘examine’ someone suffering from long-term anxiety and depression ?

    Comment by Anonymous — February 6, 2012 @ 3:17 pm

  95. Hello Anonymous.

    It’s not what you say to the nurse that counts, it’s what you say to the appeal panel that determines if you receive ESA.
    According to the DWP and ATOS if you can be bothered to enquire they will tell you that the nurse has been specially trained in functional health assessment and because it is not a medical then a nurse or physiotherapist assessing us for work is legitimate.

    If you ask why we need medical reports since it is not a medical assessment, then their prearranged answer is because it is a functional assessment with a medical component in there.


    Comment by dwpexamination — February 6, 2012 @ 3:45 pm

  96. I wish to get a copy of the report made by the nurse at my ATOS assessment interview. How do I go about that?

    Comment by ria — March 1, 2012 @ 11:26 am

  97. Hello ria.

    To get a copy of the ATOS assessment report phone the DWP and ask them to send you a copy, they may ask you why you want it ? do you wish to appeal ?.
    Sometimes when you phone they do not send you it, this is because they do not want you to see it, but they must supply it (LAW) if you ask, trouble is when you phone them, they can say they have never received a call from you, even though their calls are recorded, they can still deny it, if this happens then send them a letter explaining you need it for such and such, by the way if you are appealing a decision you don’t like then ask for the appeal form as well (GL 24) if you don’t ask these people they will not help you.

    If you have any ATOS/DWP problems ria then log in to the forum for help http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 1, 2012 @ 11:46 am

  98. Can someone advise if transferring from ESA to JSA is seamless i.e. there is no period when benefits are stopped?

    I have been on ESA for a few months. Bizarrely (perhaps), I did not request to go on ESA, I was put on ESA. Here is my story.

    I have worked all my adult life but suffered a serious injury a few years ago which left me ‘mobility impaired’ – (personally I consider the word ‘disability’ to apply more appropriately to the act of discrimination; it is a social construct i.e. if someone treats you unfairly because you are ‘impaired’, then you are rendered ‘disabled’ and yes prejudice and discrimination happen more often than equality and fairness do in terms of systems accommodating people with illnesses, including mobility impairments or mental health problems for example). Anyway, my injures mean that I have part of my spine missing, I have permanent nerve damage in my legs and I have been in constant pain as well as restricted mobility ever since my accident. Through discrimination and unfair treatment in many parts of the society, not least by previous employer, I started to suffer anxiety, stress and bouts of depression. Ultimately I lost my job; not because I lacked the skills to do it but because no ‘reasonable adjustments’ were made by my employer to accommodate my physical limitations post accident.

    I left work and signed on JSA. Though I tried very hard to get work, providing evidence fortnightly regarding the number of jobs I was applying for, the Job Centre Plus were unable to reconcile my qualifications and skills with my lack of success in finding a job (this, despite the evident economic climate in the U.K and lack of available jobs as a result, in addition to my total unsuitability for many of the available jobs I was offered).

    This led to an increasingly aggressive, hostile and ignorant approach toward me personally by my ‘case worker’. I began to feel increasingly persecuted for the economic troubles of the U.K and my health condition, as I could not find suitable work. My stress and anxiety levels increased – I was repeatedly asked to apply for work which was wholly inappropriate for my physical condition. My health deteriorated and I ended up suffering a heart attack. Following my heart attack, I called the Job Centre to advise them that I could not make my ‘signing on’ appointment as I had been admitted to hospital and was advised to rest by a medical expert (my signing on appointment was due 2 days after my heart attack occurred). The Job Centre were OK with me and said, ‘you need to be transferred to ESA if you are too ill to sign on’. At the time I had no idea what ESA was! So, I followed their instructions and transferred to ESA. I was contacted and asked for medical certificates to certify that I was not fit for work. I just thought this was silly bureaucracy but obtained my medical certificates anyway as my GP advised that I was not fit for work (heart attack, mobility problems inc permanent nerve damage, constant pain, anxiety and stress, plus all the associated problems people will be familiar with who suffer similar conditions, such as interrupted sleep or sometimes no sleep, tiredeness, lapses in concentration due to heavy doses of medication etc etc). I did exactly as I was advised to do by both the DWP and the medical profession.

    I have now been asked to go to an ATOS assessment. I was curious to know what to expect, so came to the world of the internet to do some reading. From reading this blog and others, I have concluded that attending this assessment would be a waste of my time. I am confident they would find me ‘fit for work’. My primary concern now, is not why or how this could happened (it is irrational), but instead to find the best possible solution to meet my personal needs. For me, as long as I continue to receive benefits until my circumstances change, that is all that interests me. I shall deal with the inevitable persecution at the Job Centre in due course and doubtless have another heart attack and simply go on ESA again when that happens until the ‘assessment’ cycle starts again.

    So, I believe my best option is to transfer back on to JSA before my ATOS assessment (and circumvent the inevitable) and go back into the JSA system. My question is, will any benefits be stopped whilst this request to ‘transfer’ happens? All I want is for them to continue paying my council tax and my mortgage relief as well as the ‘allowance’ during the ‘transfer process’.

    I would like to add, that I totally understand that there are many many people who are far worse off than me and I think it is disgusting the way the Gov is treating people through its policies. I would be happy to work but this does not mean that I am totally ‘fit for work’ or that it is appropriate for me to be placed in ‘any’ type of work situation. It is in the lack of understanding for ‘individual’ circumstances of claimants that the system fails. As I don’t believe this will be changed in the period between now and my ATOS assessment, it is the most sensible option for me to protect my benefits by whatever means necessary (and legally). Can anyone advise?

    Comment by Tom — March 1, 2012 @ 9:53 pm

  99. Hello Tom.

    The way I’m reading this is that it’s all about money rather than all about your health Tom, if all you care about is a seamless transfer from one benefit to another then the best option for you is to sign on for JSA again, the transaction will be the smoothest possible I can assure you, you will be treated as a new claim and the most you will have to wait for money is a few weeks probably, bear in mind that the DWP are the most ruthless Government organisation ever and like the wolves that they are they might see you staggering in there, know what your plan is and decide to make an example of you.

    So if you do decide to follow that course then you will have to sign a form stating that you are fit for work, this is to absolve them not you of any responsibility just in case anything happens to you, because the truth is Tom they couldn’t give a rats ass if you died.

    Of course there is an alternative which is already in your hands and it’s to go for the fixed assessment, accept that you will probably be found fit for work and appeal, there will be a delay in your benefits of course this way, probably around six weeks, but that’s one of the reasons why they do it Tom because they know that people don’t want to wait for their money, and they take advantage of it.

    Personally I wouldn’t give these bastards the satisfaction of seeing me cowering like a small frightened rabbit for any amount of delay in what’s rightfully mine, but then again I’m not you, so whatever you do Tom, I wish you the very best of luck and good health.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 1, 2012 @ 11:05 pm

  100. dwpexamination – I can only assume that anyone who can wait 6 weeks for a benefit has access to funds. I have no money other than my ESA allowance. I have no access to support either i.e. loans, gift aids, a treasure map! So, my reality is that without ‘money’ I can not eat.

    Anyway, thanks for answering the question – looks like JSA is for me (because I am sensible).

    Comment by Tom — March 2, 2012 @ 12:25 am

  101. Hello Tom.

    You asked a straightforward honest question Tom, I gave an honest straightforward answer, I’m not here to BS people, sorry if it wasn’t the answer you were looking for, but at the end of the day Tom we are all adults and evaluate a life threatening situation for ourselves and we decide what suits us and do what suits us anyway no matter what I or anyone else says..!!

    Well Tom you may wait three weeks for a benefit (JSA) so if a person can wait three weeks without funds, they can wait six weeks without funds, I waited three and a half months without funds and I’m still here JUST..!!I suspect your question was rhetorical.

    As I said Tom, take care of your health, because if you lose it, funds will be the last thing on your mind…

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 2, 2012 @ 5:59 am

  102. i to fail foul of atos i now await the transcribed phone evidence but i think it will be conveniently lost

    Comment by peter vincent — March 6, 2012 @ 5:55 am

  103. Hello Peter.

    Do you mean you were found fit for work and are going to appeal ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 6, 2012 @ 7:13 am

  104. filling in my husbands pink form now. We are even more confused as we recieved a letter the other day saying our income support was going up in April?? So even more confused why we are having to fill in the ATOS forms if we have recieved a letter saying this….very worried, very confused, and panicking slightly – and I’m not even the one whos ill!!

    Comment by Mel — March 6, 2012 @ 11:22 am

  105. Hello Mel.

    The ESA 50 is from ATOS and the other letter mentioning increased Income support is from the DWP.
    ATOS ESA 50s are computer generated and sent out as they come, it’s your husbands turn to fill one in, sooner or later everyone who receives any kind of sickness related benefit has to fill one in. The other letter in a brown envelope from the DWP is also computer generated and is sent to everyone to inform them of the rise regardless, as long as they are still claiming it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 6, 2012 @ 12:20 pm

  106. Hi all. Been meaning to update for a while. I commented a few months back as i suffer from osteogenesis imperfecta, have suffered many many broken bones throughout my life but it petered out for a few yrs and i worked for many yrs without problems. Anyway, i then suffered 5 breaks in an 18 month period so i decided to apply for dla after smashing my knee and wrist the day i got out of hospital (my sister also gets it), i was then faced with Atos coming to give me a home medical whilst i was lying on sofa with my knee still splinted etc. Well, i got accepted for Higher rate mobility and i think the middle for the other component but…i only got accepted for a period of 11.5 months and i shall be getting reviewed in september. I think this is ridiculous as it seems they’ve based my award on the fact i had a broken arm and knee at the time, not the fact that i will always have brittle bones, so does this mean when i’m reviewed, if i havent broken anything since i wont get it renewed??? I mean my bones heal but i’ve still got brittle bones and always will, i’m getting worse with age, not better and i still need a knee replacement!!! As it happens, i was in casualty again last night after slipping in my kitchen, thankfully i didnt break anything it but i have snapped the ligaments in my already severely damaged knee and broke 3 toes. So, i’m now back on my crutches after just managing to get around indoors without them, i also am on waiting list to have support wires removed from the knee as they’ve both snapped. I doubt i will have DLA renewed but i just think being accepted because i had actual broken bones at the time must mean any one with broken bones can apply and then have it taken off them once healed. Quite bizarre really. I’ll keep you posted what happens in Septemeber…OH AND JUST TO SAY, because i was only awarded for 11.5 months, i was able to apply for the car as you have to be awarded it for 12 months or more…VERY CUNNING EH??!!

    Comment by Anon — March 6, 2012 @ 3:16 pm

  107. Hello Anon.

    Congratulations on not having to go through the hell in losing your DLA, yes you will find a white envelope on your doormat some day before the years is out, they will demand another assessment, of course if you have broken bones in the meantime then the same applies you will get DLA again, if you haven’t damaged anything they will almost certainly find you fit. Your right only awarding eleven and a half months is a crafty dodge, and I didn’t know they did that (Not that I’m surprised) just that we learn something new every day.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 6, 2012 @ 3:51 pm

  108. im a double amputee and when i first claimed dla i was awarded it for 3 years even though it took them 8 months to decide wether i was entitled to it.i asked them why i had to reclaim in 3 years and they said your disability might change,i was gob smacked and i said to them what do you expect me to do wake up one morning and have grown legs and feet.The system is stupied.

    Comment by sharon — March 7, 2012 @ 5:28 pm

  109. Well I’m not trying to be funny Sharon but these fools actually think your limbs will grow back in, Your disability might change ? there having some kind of morbid laugh. it’s a nightmare..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 7, 2012 @ 6:16 pm

  110. Readers…Do you care about your National health service, if so please sign Eoin Clarke’s petition (Will not vote for Lib-Dems again if they allow this Bill through), it’s on the right hand side of the page, and only takes a minute to sign and click your e-mail return as confirmation..


    Comment by dwpexamination — March 10, 2012 @ 3:55 pm

  111. I had my Atos medical on Friday 9th March.
    I managed to take my Sister with me to take notes, on mentioning that we were going to take notes, the HCP looked intimidated and called for the receptionist for advise, we were told that any notes taken would not be taken as legal, as in evidence to support my cause in appeal or tribunal.
    I have just checked the HCP name against the NMC, which astonishingly doesn’t show up, there may be a possibility that the name was written down wrongly,but her name badge was handed over to prevent the former from happening.
    I will post more when i have details, will telephone the NMC tomorrow.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — March 11, 2012 @ 5:09 pm

  112. How did the HCP know you might be going to a tribunal if she hadn’t even assessed you yet ? sounds as if she had already made up her mind.
    And if notes can’t be used at a tribunal then why did she bother telling you then ?.

    There is a legal adviser can’t remember the name ? who won some appeals for his client based on the evidence that the HCP wasn’t registered to practice in Britain.
    Remember…ATOS cannot get qualified staff here they are really struggling, that’s why they are scouring the dregs of Europe for help. It seems that the name ATOS on a Curriculum vitae now doesn’t look good at an interview for a future job in healthcare.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 11, 2012 @ 6:00 pm

  113. My husband had ESA assessment , deemed fit for work 0 points went to appeal placed on support group, refuse
    D dla appealed, Atos home visit found to be highest rate mobility middle rate care in December. Received call for non appearance at job interviews(from letters we never receive, as they were sent to previous address. ) received another call for wife to attend work( who is 60) and cannot walk without 2 sticks attending Hydropool and has had cancer !!! Just received another form for ESA reassessments . This is relentless! Worrying stressful and causing vulnerable people no end of misery. Why when they know the conditions are chronic ,can they not leave us in peace

    Comment by Kay — March 13, 2012 @ 2:17 pm

  114. Hi everyone

    Here is a few links my son has supplied me with that could prove useful. The first is on how the LiMA software works and how an incorrect input on just one of the descriptors could impact the whole outcome of your Medical Assessment.


    The next is an ESA Case Law Summaries which gives some invaluable links for:

    Limited Capability for Work Activities
    Limited capability for work related activity tests
    Tribunal procedure
    Youth esa

    and it also gives a good look at what the law states that tribunals must look for. The link is:


    I hope that this proves useful.

    Comment by Tony — March 16, 2012 @ 9:29 am

  115. I have just been telephoned today by ATOS and been given a medical assessment appointment for 2 days time (7th April). I have never received or completed an ESA50 and they are still going ahead with this without any information on my current medical condition which has changed radically since my last medical! Can they do this – how will they do the “assesment” with no details? Surely this can’t be right. Any advice please?

    Comment by Gail — April 5, 2012 @ 5:37 pm

  116. This is not really a medical.I asked for as copy of my report and it was a personal assessment of my supposed fitness for work but with a lot of highly judgemental stuff by someone who knew nothing about my condition. They didn’t check with my doctors, although they said they had. There was a lot of stuff about how I looked, including the clothes i wore and the ‘way’ I answered questions. A camera had obviously watched my arrival.the interview was full of strange questions about my lifestyle and when I didn’t reply in the way that was obviously wanted i was asked the same question in a number of different ways until my answer ‘fitted’ into what was on the computer. I got the distinct impression that there was a definate hidden agenda behind the entire process.

    Comment by ria — April 6, 2012 @ 9:14 am

  117. That’s exactly the same experience as me, I was horrified when I read the report as to what the doctor had written in his report about me eg I didn’t smell of alcohol, or appear to be on drugs, wasn’t rocking in my chair, I was clean well kempt the list goes on and on nothing relating to my medical condition and the same as you my GP,or,consultant had not been approached. What annoys me is Welfare rights have more or less told me I probably won’t win my appeal as I ‘do not fit the points system’ as required even though I have a list of illness’s as long as my arm and definitely not fit for work, who would employ me with my medical history!! I’ve had to finish work after forty years give up a well paid job and I never realised it would be so difficult to get sixty odd pounds week benefit.

    Comment by Anonymous — April 6, 2012 @ 10:00 am

  118. Hello Anonymous.

    I don’t know what your health issues are because you haven’t mentioned any, is it possible you can be eligible for one or more of the ”NON FUNCTIONAL DESCRIPTORS” if so then you could fall in to the special circumstances rule, either 29(2)(b) or 35(2)(b) but as I said you haven’t mentioned your health issues to me but the welfare rights have all your information, and are experts on these descriptors and what they mean, but even experts make mistakes and I see no reason why you can’t at least ask why you don’t qualify for one of the Non functional descriptors.
    Of course the welfare rights can only work within the law, and can only work with the descriptors that are a part of that law, but you can at least ask why you are not getting the Non functional.

    The Government have created a mess, it’s all a sham, people with serious health issues are being told they don’t fit in with some idiots (Pigeon holed and tabulated) (Probably Prof Mansel Aylward) version of what is an illness and what isn’t.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 6, 2012 @ 10:59 am

  119. Thank you for that information I will enquire when I next speak to them, they have given me a letter for my GP to write a report about my medical conditions which without going into too much detail are history of stokes, Tias lifelong medication at risk of another left with memory problems, severe osteoarthritis of the spine but I am able to walk and do enjoy walking butnnot long distances, obviously this all went against me at my medical, high blood pressure, depression and several other conditions but as I can work a computer, a telephonenetc and on medication they have awarded me 0 points and found me fit for work the whole thing is a farce and although I am not looking forward to the appeal I will fight it all the way. Many thanks

    Comment by Anonymous — April 6, 2012 @ 11:26 am

  120. Hello Ria.

    There is no hidden agenda, it’s really quite open and frank, they want us off any kind of sickness benefits, that’s dead or alive, preferably dead..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 6, 2012 @ 6:21 pm

  121. Hi all. There are some horror stories on here, no wonder ppl are scared, confused & worried.I have long medical problems relating from a bad car accident. Over the years athritis have affected most of my joints.I had an assessment years ago before we had all these new changes & the employment of ATOS. I was then told i am not fit to do any kind of work, and for few years didn’t have any problems.Until the last coulple of years i started to get the hassle. I was sent for an assessment & they knew that i was going in hospital within a few days to have main joint removed from my right big toe & i was going to be in plaster for 6 weeks. With all my other medical problems i did not expect to get kicked off & have to go on job seekers. (Didnt have a clue how all this worked then) I was on that for a year but my health has gone down hill, with 2 strokes, athritis in lower spine, neck, hip, knee & in a few of my toes also under soles of both feet.My GP said i was not fit to work. I have been on ESA & received a letter saying i had to have a medical after 13 weeks & to fill in the form on illness. All done & posted. I waited 6 months after the 13 weeks for my medical. It arrived at the same time i was going into hospital to have another joint out one of my toes & pins out of another one.I could not attend the assessment. I was told to get my gp to fax them saying i was not fit to travel & that i request a home visit. I was granted one which has just been done. My daughter who is my carer was with me at my home while the doctor (or who ever he was) was doing the assessment. I was surprised that he didnt know about certain drugs i took & i had to explain to him. He acted friendly (but i’m not silly) He was only here about 20 min. He asked me to do certain tasks, i told him no as i was not prepared to put myself through so much pain. He did say that was ok. He agreed that i cannot sit to long or stand. etc etc.. So now the big wait for a decision. I already have the CAB on my case as i have been waiting so long for my assessment. They will be helping me if it goes the wrong way. I have been so stressed what with my op on both feet & all this i’m not sleeping eating. Why should we be put through all this.

    Comment by Jean 56 — April 14, 2012 @ 3:37 pm

  122. Because the Tories and their Lib Dem glove puppets think we are all scroungers. Think about it, they are time limiting benefits, taking away our rights to Legal aid and removing vast sums of funding from the CAB and welfare rights. Its an obvious attack on the weakest in society. Keep us posted and why not join our forum at dwpexamination.org and help us to fight the good fight.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 14, 2012 @ 6:48 pm

  123. Yes i agree totally. The 80s comes to mind which i remember to well.Both the Tories & Lib Dems are hell bent on doing the cleansing programme with getting everyone onto a work programme and are not concerned how it affects, as you said the weakest in society. I am now waiting with anticipation on my medical results, which i will not hold my breath on. I will join your forum to help fight this the good fight.

    Comment by Jean 56 — April 15, 2012 @ 11:22 am

  124. The Work Programme is all part of the big society Cameron wants to force upon us. Did you know that between June and October 2011 370,000 people “took part” in the Work Programme? If all of those people worked a 37 hour week at the £6.08p per hour minimum wage then the total saved by the private sector in wages (For one week mind you) is over £83 million pounds. The companies involved do not pay tax, n.i. or holiday pay and can use the “Workers” for whatever purpose they see fit. Thanks for joining the forum

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 15, 2012 @ 12:10 pm

  125. The figures are staggering & beyond belief. I had no idea how bad it was and in such a short space of time, but not surprised.I often think what the hell, come off the sick & go back on the unemployment to spare me all the aggravation & distress.No one would employ me with a CV that says Medically retired.This is really only the start of all the aggro we are going to get if have a disability. Perhaps Cameron would love to put us all in work houses until we drop. Well that would save him a lot more more money …..

    Comment by Jean 56 — April 15, 2012 @ 10:45 pm

  126. Thats the general idea, were all scroungers in his eyes

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 16, 2012 @ 12:02 am

  127. i have been waiting 15weeks after filling out an atos assesment form was told i cannot claim job seekers whilst waiting but to try for a crisis loan i have problems with walking haveosteoarthritis in both knees have a lung disease am tachocardic andsuffer depression ive phoned the medical board every week since to be told my forms arewith the decision maker andthat they dont kno yet if i will be sent for a medical can you advise me please on anything you think could help me from jane 49

    Comment by jane hammett — April 16, 2012 @ 11:20 pm

  128. Sorry Jane but i need more info and a time line of events can you give me some more detail please? were you on IB themn migrated to esa for example, there are reasons for asking and I want to make sure I give you the correct information.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 17, 2012 @ 7:33 am

  129. Ive just recieved the decision of my medical which i had done at home as im house bound,im a double amputee and unable to wear my prosthetic legs due to having operations on both knees which where not succesfull,i have tendernightuss in my right knee too.im in constant pain so have to take tramadol,gaberpentin,morphine tablets,oramorph and naproxin,all these tablets make me feel sleepy,nausea,hallucinate,i sleep on and off all day.i have to get around the house on my bottom,im unable to get upstairs,i have to use a commode downstairs,most things i have problems doing.i also suffer with severe back pain.The decision they have come to is that i am fit for work.How can they say im fit for work when im house bound and that i sleep on and off all day due to medication etc,ive done nothing but cry since recieving the letter,im so frustrated as there are people out there that have nothing wrong with them and are able to work but are told they are unfit.i spoke to the social about it and asked how they came to this decision but they wernt able to tell me.Ive told them i want to appeal and i want a copy of my medical report.Can anyone give my advice on appealing please.Sharon

    Comment by sharon — April 20, 2012 @ 11:07 am

  130. Hello Sharon.

    Pick a username and Log in here http://www.dwpexamination.org you will get all the advice you need on how to deal with the DWP and ATOS healthcare.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 20, 2012 @ 12:50 pm

  131. ‘What’ the hell are they? no genuine Doc or nurse that ‘believes’ in their profession would be so thoughtless and cruel…would they?
    Why do they not take our own doctors and surgeon’s word about us. Would save more money that way would it not…? How can they get people back into work, disabled or not, when they themselves are cutting jobs etc
    I have an assessment next week and I am very nervous about it. I have lots of different things wrong and one thing I don’t want to even talk about never mind be examined. It took me a couple of weeks to do my ‘form’ as I had no idea how to word it and can only write/type for a short while, will the time in returning be held against me? I wonder if anyone has done a follow up on suicides of people having attended these assessments?? sad thing to say but….
    I wish the honest people out there best of luck with assessments and/or appeals.
    All take care x

    Comment by Sandra Brown — April 27, 2012 @ 1:15 am

  132. Hello Sandra.

    It’s all a con to get one million genuine sickness benefit recipients off ESA and in to the Job centre, if you want to know why ATOS are lying and cheating to help the Government do that then the best people to ask is the Government either Iain Duncan Smith or his sidekick Chris Grayling, you will get as we all have in the past a standard response ”We are helping people in to work rather than seeing them languishing on benefits” in other words WE DON’T GIVE A TOSS IF YOU ARE ILL we are going to make your lives a misery until you bend to our will and do as we say and get to F**K of benefits, take the hint will you, seems to be the Government/s message.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 27, 2012 @ 6:54 am

  133. Sandi it even went against me because I filled in my own form!! I was seen as capable of fiiling in a form as well as being able to answer a phone and go on a computer but does that make me eligible for work? I don’t think so.

    Comment by Anonymous — April 27, 2012 @ 9:35 am

  134. I had my assessment at home on friday 13th. How long do i have to wait for my results.? This is making me so ill & getting so stressed out now. I am due my sick pay this monday are they gonna do what they did last time to me & just stop it before i got a letter of results. Hence no money to live on and was forced back onto the unemployment. The doctor or supposed one, could see i had 2 operations on my feet, one still had a K wire sticking out top of my toe. And with all the other medical problems i have i cannot work full stop!!!! Had emergency appointment with surgeon on tuesday as i had the wire took out now my toe has swelled up & very painful. Now i am back on the crutches & got to stay of my foot for 2 weeks & back to see surgeon in september as thats how long its gonna take to heal.So when i do receive my assessment & it says i am fit for work i am gonna be one very angry lady so will my GP.But after reading the nightmare stories on here i dont hold up much hope.But then i may be lucky so fingers crossed. If it goes t….s up i will find someway of getting to no 10 Downing street & shove my crutches where the sun don’t shine.For all you that have posted such awful horror stories i sincerely hope that you get justice & peace.

    Comment by Jean 56 — April 27, 2012 @ 12:36 pm

  135. Hello Jean.

    It can take any amount of time before they release you from your misery, with me the last time it was ten days and I was told I was fit for work, the time before was three weeks, and the time before that it was seven weeks, so it all depends on whether the DWP decision maker got out of bed on the right hand side or the left hand side on the day he/she looks at your case file.
    Let us know what happens, please log in to the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org as well, we all need to fight them together.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 27, 2012 @ 2:09 pm

  136. Hi jean,im a double amputee and ive had 2 big operations on both my knees consisting of patial knee replacements and both my knee caps realighned.I had this done last year so im still getting over the ops,unfortunatly the ops did not go as well as hoped,im unable to wear my prosthetic legs due to my stumps swelling and still being in lots of pain in the knees.Im on lots of medication consisting of morphine tablets,morphine oral solution,tramadol,gaberpentin and naproxin,these cause me to have side affects of nausea,hallucinations,drowsiness,lack of concentration etc.I have to go around the house on my bottom im unable to get outside also i wont go out in public as i get embarresed and i feel that people are staring at me and laughing due to my disability,so im housebound,anyway i had my medical done at home and guess what they have found me fit for work.They have put me in the work related activity group.I am going to appeal against their decision.My money has stopped at the moment as ive been in the contribution side of esa for a year,My husband is disabled too and he has got to claim for me and we have been told that we will be £240 a month worse off.Im like you if i could get to downing street i would love to shove my fist in his mouth give him a piece of my mind and shove something where the sun dont shine.I do apologise about my spelling.

    Comment by sharon — April 27, 2012 @ 4:47 pm

  137. I will let you know the outcome of my results. I have been through this 3 times now & even took it to an appeal court once. That experience i will never forget. They were rude, arrogant & very abrupt with my social worker that came with me, they told her to get out and would call if they needed to. I thought i was allowed to have some with me, but they still told her to wait outside. When they did call her in they pumped so many questions at her saying that she could not know my problems to much as she only see’s me occasionly. Which was awful as she knew all my case history. Well better than they obviously did. Well i got so upset with them i got up and left half way through. I felt like i was treated like a criminal. My social worker said she didn’t blame me for leaving as it was like a kangeroo court & she felt awful that she could not help me more. I hope they have changed for the better now. But i would be so scared to have to go to one again. Left a nasty bad memory. I have heard that i do not need to attend an appeal, not sure about that though, perhaps someone could enlighten me please. But hey never know i may not have to get that far. I already have the CAB on my case before my medical.

    Comment by Jean 56 — April 27, 2012 @ 5:32 pm

  138. I hope they arnt expecting me to go to the appeal as im housebound and carnt get out.

    Comment by sharon — April 27, 2012 @ 5:39 pm

  139. Hi Sharon. I did read your post on what happened to you. I am flabberghasted at the outcome of your medical. You poor woman how can you be treated like that is beyond me.It is not enough that you have to go through so much pain & embarrassment of not being able to wear your prosthetic legs, but they also strip you off your pride & dignity. Are these people for real or what. How on earth are you going to work with the amount of drugs you have to take each day, let alone the pain. And taking into consideration that you cannot go out…Its about time someone stepped in and showed these hard callous people that this is the real world & that we are not all as fortunate as them. And that many DO have severe medical problems which stops them from having a normal day let alone go to work. Oh !!!! sorry did i just call them people, well in my view they do not deserve the title of being a human person.Let me know the outcome of your appeal, do hope it’s not to long to wait.

    Comment by Jean 56 — April 27, 2012 @ 5:48 pm

  140. Hello Sharon.

    I don’t know what to say honestly, I thought I had heard it all, could you visit the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org and tell them about this because it just beggars belief.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 27, 2012 @ 5:57 pm

  141. Hello Jean.

    When you got up and left I assume your appeal was upheld ? they don’t expect us to get up and leave, they expect us to just accept the crap some of them come away with, getting up and leaving doesn’t show them in a good light because they have to explain why you felt so bad you were prepared to just give them a one fingered salute.

    Some of them can be right arrogant cheeky bastards, I know this because I have experienced it myself, I will not be experiencing it again because I’m going to do something about it next time, they are in for one hell of a shock.

    I don’t know enough about you Jean to form an opinion whether you are to appeal or not, but the CAB (Who do some excellent work) will be able to tell you on the spot.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 27, 2012 @ 6:15 pm

  142. They didn’t uphold my appeal. I received a letter saying that my appeal was turned down. With it came a very long letter on why. It said that i left the appeal court & also said i got up & walked out of the room ok.I was fuming because i had to be helped out of the chair & i was crying & in a right state on how they treated me. But i was so naive then & didn’t know who to turn to for help. I have not received my assessment yet that i had on the 13th March, hope its not long to wait. I know its silly but i am getting so worked up after reading so many horror stories. What do these so called medics define as not fit for work, is it just a torso sitting in a chair !!!! Sorry about the term of phrase i used but i cannot think of anything else.
    I hope you give them what for next time Kick as much ass as you can.

    Comment by Jean 56 — April 27, 2012 @ 6:43 pm

  143. Hi Sharon.

    They can’t expect you to attend an appeal, not with your health problems so it will have to be a paper hearing, it’s not as if you have a choice is it ? your representative will arrange all that for you of course..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 27, 2012 @ 6:55 pm

  144. I am really confused with all the changes that have been made with sickness etc. I was on Job seekers but only needed to work up to 16 hours which was decided by the last medical assessment i had. After a year i was told that C tech would be in charge of finding me a job as i had been on unemployment for a year.My GP then told me i was unfit to do any form of of work as i was getting worse so i was put on ESA and still C tech phoned me every month to see how i was getting on & that they were still to find me work even though i was unfit according to my GP. The woman i must say was nice, so generally only gave me a courtesy call. Now this is where i get confused with all the changes. I am not thick but naive. If my latest assessment says i am fit for work i gather i go back on ESA or obviously appeal. But if i am found unfit for work what happens then ? I have read posts saying what grade you go in. This is what i do not understand. I am 60 this year & should have been retiring, but now it is 2015. I am not up to date on all the changes as didnt think i would need to be. Could someone please explain to me before i lose the will to live.

    Comment by Jean 56 — April 27, 2012 @ 7:23 pm

  145. Hello Jean.

    If you are found unfit for work you go on ESA either the Work related group or the support group, either way (Support group help is optional) they can offer you help and support to try and get you in to work, well so they claim.

    On the other hand if you are found fit for work then you have two choices, you can appeal against their decision to find you fit for work, if you win then as above you go in to ESA either the Work related group or the Support group.

    The other choice if you are found fit for work is to accept their decision and sign on for Job seekers allowance.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 27, 2012 @ 8:21 pm

  146. Thanks so much for explaining that to me.

    Comment by Jean 56 — April 27, 2012 @ 8:39 pm

  147. Hello Jean.

    I bet you wish you had that time back again, wouldn’t it be wonderful to just belt one of them ? ok that won’t help your appeal but by god think how great you would feel going to sleep that night..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 27, 2012 @ 9:11 pm

  148. Yes most definately lol!!!

    Comment by Jean 56 — April 27, 2012 @ 9:18 pm

  149. hi my partner has epilepsy and has just had his assesment he has been told he will be moved onto esa for 12 months only and this has got him worried that after this time period he will be left without money at all,so much so his fits are getting worse because the more stressed he gets the more he seems to get .he has worked from a young age and only got this condition 8 years ago it kills him that he cant work but it is too dangerous for him to work,can someone please tell me what happens after the twelve months of the esa does he have to be reassed or is he just left without money at all. thnx jo.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 1, 2012 @ 8:39 am

  150. Hello Anonymous.

    Your partner is obviously receiving what’s called contributory ESA the Work related group (Please correct me if I’m wrong ?) after the twelve months is up (It’s retrospective as well) he will lose all right to sickness benefits and will receive nothing, the DWP will advise him to sign on for work if he wants to get any kind of money to live on.

    Obviously your partner cannot do that, he cannot sign on because he is not work fit, the DWP show no compassion, they don’t care if he starves because they have been instructed to show no pity, and show no compassion, and they have all been persuaded to do this because it is the law, and you must obey the law.

    But there is a small light at the end of the tunnel which is to appeal to get in the support group of ESA, because this new law doesn’t apply to those in the support group, for those in the support group cannot be touched by that law, as long as they stay in the support group.

    If you wish to know what to do next (Assuming he wants to appeal) then I can guide you through the stages, let me know what your partner decides ?. And I will help as best as I can.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 1, 2012 @ 10:27 am

  151. Found it difficult to locate Version 3 of LiMA V3 technical manual med IBPW001e via Google, lots of version 2. Eventually foound a link on a convo saying they couldn’t find it either. Some lovely person left this link to it, so sharing :)


    Comment by Lizzie — May 4, 2012 @ 9:36 am

  152. Thanks Lizzie.

    Will stick it in the useful links section of the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 4, 2012 @ 10:01 am

  153. you’re welcome…. just failed my ATOS last week… 6 points for physical things that I don’t find problematic, big fat zero for mental health issues [am recovering from a breakdown]… benefit stopped, help with appeal from charitable organisation 2 weeks away, (least there is one left to help, so many have gone round here) and massive health deterioration due to the stress since. Just back from GP, they are horrified and can’t understand why ATOS did what they did and I’m now on more medication to cope… so the fight goes on. Got to apply for crisis loans to live on and possibility of a food parcel from a charity at a drop in next Thursday. And I’ve paid 27 years worth of taxes for this? Emailing MP next week to protest about the system… good MP, so want them to know whats happening to people like me who don’t have measurable physical issues… inhumane!!

    Comment by Lizzie — May 4, 2012 @ 11:58 am

  154. Lizzie…I know it’s no consolation but at least you know you are not alone, thousands are going through this hell, some are being told they cannot get ESA again because their on contributory ESA and now it’s time limited to a year, that’s as inhumane as it gets..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 4, 2012 @ 12:32 pm

  155. I have prepared my case for my appeal got letters fro medics GP etc and got the backing of welfare rights but still not got date I have been waiting three months. Today I have received a letter fro DWP saying my contribution bases ESA will be stopped next month due to claiming it for 365 days and I can apply for for income related ESA but my partner works full time and is having to pay most of the bills anyway , although he has investments over the limit but they are his not mine. What do I do now as there’s no point in stressing myself any more about the appeal as my money will be stopped anyway so what’s the point of going also can I go back on job seekers although there no way I will get or can do a job with my health problems that’s why I had to leave mym previous well paid job. What do I do now please?

    Comment by Anonymous — May 5, 2012 @ 9:40 am

  156. Hello Anonymous.

    This Government have made it impossible for people like your self to get help, if you apply for ESA income related then they will refuse you because your partner is working full time (Providing he earns over £149 a week) and they will recognise any investments as yours because you are a couple. As for signing on they will almost certainly demand you are fit to work, and since you are appealing to get in the support group then it’s difficult to see how you can justify presenting yourself as work fit.
    The only thing you can do is carry on with the appeal, you have nothing to lose, if you win then you get the support group and all the money they owe backdated, if you lose then you owe them nothing.

    This is what the numpties of Britain voted for unfortunately..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 5, 2012 @ 11:56 am

  157. Please may I ask for some input into my situation?

    I left work years ago on the advice of my doctor (lived on savings) who said my bowel, back, headache problems were stress. I was eventually diagnosed with chronic daily headache; AS; adhesion surgery and irritable bowel. I also have depression and panic attacks.

    I was refused a home visit and don’t have much support from my new doctor (my old of many years suddenly retired). The letter written by the doctor was incomplete and consisted of ‘Mo said this, Mo said that’.

    I wrote explaining my problems again but have received no acknowledgement and could not attend due to bowel and panic (second floor and I get panic attacks in lifts) so say nothing of the appalling pain sitting in upright chairs.

    Are they really allowed to ignore everything I said on my EA50 form?

    The metal health assessor said I need an advocate but I have been completely unable to get through to CAB (people queue from 7:30 a.m. and they close the door when they have enough to cope with and I can’t get there to do that because of the health problems).

    Are there any other advocacy services for me?

    I am writing this to try to ease the pain in my chest from stress and any pointers really will be most gratefully received.

    Comment by Mo — May 5, 2012 @ 3:26 pm

  158. Hello Mo.

    Your mental health assessor said you need an advocate ? I can tell you that your mental health assessor is living in cloud cuckoo land.

    If you have to deal with ATOS and or the DWP then your local welfare rights office or CAB is the place/s to go, I appreciate that your local CAB is chocked to the gunwales, that’s because there’s literally thousands upon thousands of people in your situation. So getting help from the professionals is becoming more difficult as each day goes by.

    Your first problem is dealing with ATOS, and without support from your GP or a consultant then your chances of a home visit are virtually nil, there is no way round this unfortunately, ATOS/DWP will just totally ignore you if you don’t have that GPs support, it’s hard enough getting a home visit even if you do have a GPs support, you only have two choices now, either you insist that ATOS pay you the visit and they will resist that means your benefits will be stopped, if you keep on at them long enough while they have stopped your benefits then maybe just maybe they will concede but between you and I, don’t bank on it.

    Or you think the unthinkable and attend their assessment and then wait to see if you have passed or failed, and if failed then take the appropriate action with our help and the help of our forum http://www.dwpexamination.org you can appeal and win.

    You next order of business is to sack your GP and go to another surgery, don’t fool around with someone like that, if it’s going to be hard work just getting some kind of support then it’s about time you got in touch with another surgery, and you can start again.

    If I were you I would get in contact also with a legal advice centre, they are in every big city and available in the phone book, just ring them and ask if you could get legal aid to get help you to get a medical report either from your GP or your mental health assesor, if you meet the criteria to get legal aid (skint) then they will send a letter on your behalf requesting a written assessment on your health, you will get a copy and will be very useful to send to ATOS and also for any possible appeals you may have to deal with in the future.

    Last but not least have you considered the organisation called MIND they have been very helpful helping people like yourself, I have heard of at least one person who couldn’t leave the house because of agoraphobia, and MIND paid a visit and gave help with their letters and appeals.

    Let us know what you decide in the future and take care.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 5, 2012 @ 5:05 pm

  159. Thank you for your reply. First I appreciate that you are not my personal advisor and so I will only bother you with a couple more questions before I try to put some of your advice into practice.

    I think the mental health assessor said I needed an advocate as in someone to speak for me. PALS and CAB was suggested but i have not been able to get through to either. I will write to the CAB office local to me.

    I could try another doctor in the surgery. The one I have been seeing (not about the long term health problems but the usual stuff people suffer from) said she knew nothing about benefits and that it was nothing to do with her. She had no idea that a doctor’s letter was needed to ask for a home visit. She did write me a letter but it was useless (Mo said this, Mo said that).

    The problem with attending is that the Romford office is a long drive (very painful), has no parking near enough, and is on the second floor serviced by a lift. I have panic attacks in lifts and digestive problems keep me confined in doors for much of each day (and then I only travel short hops to where I know toilets are – i have become somewhat phobic about it).

    Could I get a copy of the report (recent) being sent by the metal health assessor referring me to a psychiatrist and psychologist? Would that be the report you mean?

    As I missed the appointment today due to digestion and panic what is the procedure? Will they send me another appointment? My mum will write (I read a paper trail is very important).

    If they did and I attended then what would be the procedure with regard to getting upstairs? Can they force me to try to climb to the second floor even though I am unsafe?

    Thank you again. I hope my questions can help other’s in distress over ATOS.

    Comment by Mo — May 5, 2012 @ 5:57 pm

  160. Hello Mo.

    Writing to them would be better than visiting, I’ve e-mailed the CAB before and they didn’t even reply so that’s not looking very good so writing would be best, stick a stamp addressed envelope in as well that will make them more receptive, they never have enough funds, remember the majority of them are volunteers and just try to help, the last CAB advisor I spoke too asked me for my free DWP envelopes, I had three and he took them all.

    If you decide to attend then you can ask them to assess you on the ground floor, as far as I know they usually acquiesce after all you have made a concession on attending so they should grant you quid pro quo and at least give something back.

    Are you saying you missed the ATOS appointment ? what they usually do is send the DWP a direction that you did not attend the assessment, they don’t even care if you are lying in the hospital on a drip they are not interested in excuses, their instructions are to inform the DWP immediately and that means at the end of that day, you will receive a letter soon from the DWP saying you did not attend and so on.
    You contact them immediately and explain what happened and (Its up to you) if you want to continue to demand a domiciliary visit or concede and ask if they can assess on the ground floor etc.

    By the way, it’s better to get a lift to Romford because you will be asked how you arrived there in fact that’s usually their first question, so saying you had to get a lift there because of the severe discomfort is strongly in your favour.

    Last but not least this DRs business and getting a medical report on your health, the problem is payment, they want to be paid for writing out the report, and that is why you need to contact some kind of legal centre which specialises in that kind of work, they will pay the GP his/her fee for giving you a medical examination and assessment and the legal centre will be paid by the legal aid board, no one is doing something for nothing these days except the CAB and us at http://www.dwpexamination.org. Everyone else and their dog wants wants wants because it’s I’m alright jack.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 5, 2012 @ 6:30 pm

  161. Can you shed some light on my situation? My GP sent ATOS a faxed letter last week outlining the reasons why I’m unable to attend an examination centre for the WCA, and requesting a home visit instead. I received a letter from ATOS today saying that I’m “no longer required to be examined for my claim for ESA because there was enough medical evidence in my GP’s letter explaining my condition, and that my file has now been returned to the DWP”. The letter even apologises for any inconvenience caused! Does this mean I’m not now required to endure a home visit from an ATOS ‘doctor’? If this is the case, this would seem to be unprecedented given the content of the posts above! And how will it be decided whether to place me in the WRAG or the Support Group?

    Will be grateful for some input on this? Thanks.


    Comment by Anonymous — May 5, 2012 @ 8:11 pm

  162. Hello Ann.

    Yes it means you will not be examined and they have made a decision whether you get the support group or the WRAG and are tacitly telling you that the DWP will decide whether you are entitled to benefits or not and so whether they agree with ATOS it will in my opinion be yes, you will get ESA but because the DWP always agree with the opinion of the ATOS assessor then lets hope ATOS said the support group.

    The GPs letter was convincing enough, and your right it is unprecedented and shows your GP has written an exemplary letter on your behalf.
    What will happen now is the DWP will send you a letter and inform you that you are entitled to ESA and the group, just depends on what ATOS advised, what ATOS says goes, the DWP never disagree.
    There’s one possible problem if you are on contributory ESA at the moment and the DWP put you in the WRAG then be aware that it is time limited to a year (And retrospective) if you are in the WRAG, but not time limited if you are in the support group, if this happens to you (The WRAG) then let us know.

    Don’t forget, ATOS take the view that a person may/could get better, that’s any person and almost any condition, even cancer victims can get better in their opinion so this means they will be back, could be three months or six months or more but one day they will be back.
    So get to know your rights now at http://www.dwpexamination.org because this Government are changing the goalposts constantly and it’s best if you know your rights for the future.
    Take care.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 5, 2012 @ 8:50 pm

  163. Thank you for this, I’m so relieved I don’t have to endure the ordeal of a home visit. Notwithstanding the stress and anxiety of such a ruthless and hostile exercise as the WCA, I simply don’t want those people in my home! So, even though they will be back as you say, at least I have time to concentrate on getting better and may be well enough to attend the examination centre when next contacted by these bullies. My GP has been so supportive – and while ATOS want all the authority but none of the accountability, it’s reassuring to know a GP can still ‘put their foot down’ and be listened to when necessary. Fortunately I’m on income-based ESA so the potential problem you point to above won’t be an issue.

    Will be subscribing to your website. Thanks again for your advice.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 6, 2012 @ 2:36 pm

  164. If you do not include medical paper work with your ESA50 your likely to be failed. ATOS are now saying to include medical information to back up what your saying in your ESA50. I sent my first with no hospital or medical papers i failed . On the second one I sent every medical paper work even going back years i was passed.
    ATOS say 3 months have you attended hospital etc. I think medical information from past and past the 3 months is important it shows you have a conditiion that has been more than 3/6 months. Anayway from my experience and my compliants send all the information in the first place then ATOS or DWP have no excuse to why they failed you if they knew about you and your health more so when you make complaints.
    Just make sure you have recorded with them they recieved all the correspondence you sent to them.

    Comment by Shandy — May 9, 2012 @ 9:25 am

  165. Remember that DWP are based in ATOS offices under ‘Medical Services’ what ATOS get the DWP get thats what i have been told anyway

    Comment by Shandy — May 9, 2012 @ 9:27 am

  166. Good advice Shandy…cheers.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 9, 2012 @ 11:17 am

  167. Hi , im a recovering alcoholic and drug addict been clean and sober for over ten years , go to AA/NA meetings , should i mention this? if i do they might not see the difference between a sober alcoholic and a drunk one.

    Comment by stephen — May 9, 2012 @ 1:36 pm

  168. Hi Stephen.

    That won’t be the reason why you are going to be assessed surely ?, if that’s the reason that you used to be a drug addict and alcoholic and recovered and have no other health issues then you will be found fit for work, an appeal on those grounds alone will also fail.
    If on the other hand you have other issues, then mentioning at the assessment that you have made a sterling effort to come off these substances, then I cannot see any advantage in not mentioning it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 9, 2012 @ 4:34 pm

  169. HI
    I asked my Gp for medical report but he said it is very expensive & he didn’t like ripping patients of. (very good of him really) But he did say send the completed ESA50 into him and he would sign and stamp the back of the form ageeing to what medical problems i have.They still wanted me to have a medical which i had done on the 13th April and still waiting for my results. I cannot afford up to £80 for medical reports as that is what i would have been charged. So do hope as doctor did what he did it may be enough.

    Comment by Jean 56 — May 9, 2012 @ 9:33 pm

  170. Hello Jean.

    You can get a medical assessment from your own DR, if you contact your nearest legal help centre (In the phone book) and just ask them, welfare rights or the CAB can tell you who to contact for legal help. The new law stopping legal aid for benefits hasn’t kicked in yet.
    If you are granted legal help (Legal aid) then they will send a letter on your behalf to your GP requesting he assesses you and write a report on your health, the GP claims the fee from them via the legal aid board and the legal centre claims their fee from the legal aid board and so on.
    Everything is about money, everyone wants it, and this quest for money is going to get worse and worse, we are descending as a country into the abyss.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 10, 2012 @ 3:36 am

  171. Hi
    Thanks i didn’t know about this before i had my medical. But i will know for future reference.Its so very difficult when people are naive in these situations :( I thought the country was already in an abyss. It certainly looks like it now. Why should we all have to put up such a fight to get what we deserve. Everything seems like a battle now. No wonder so many are suffering from depression.And while this goverment is still in power the battle will go on & on.

    Comment by Jean 56 — May 10, 2012 @ 9:47 am

  172. Hi. Have read everything on this site and found it to be very useful. Had my first medical at Atos centre 2.5 years ago and scored 3 points in total. Appealed and got 22 points for physical alone. The stress was unbareable. I have chronic bronchitis, M.E. and depression. The nurse obviously had no clue how to deal with the M.E. element as was seen in the report. I also have a frozen shoulder that they have tried to fix and failed. Another site has said it is a good idea to record the interview – the writer was a DWP employee who is now a claimant herself – and ask for a home visit if you can’t guarantee getting to the medical centre. I cannot guarantee getting out of bed on any day. Each day has to be taken one at a time. I am not lazy, just exceedingly tired through poor sleeping patterns etc. I was retired from my company due to ill health and have a 26 page medical report written by an M.E. consultant which states I am unlikely to ever work again full time due to my condition. This was totally disregarded by Atos and theDWP last time. Does the fact I have 1appeal won on file from 2 yrs+ ago mean they will still try to fail me again this time? Can I still attach the medical info sent last time this time if nothing has changed? Can I record interview on my dictaphone if i tell them I am doing it? M.E. is covered by the Disability Discrimination Act so can I ask for a home visit on those grounds or will I still need a GP’s letter? Sorry about all these questions but I have just received a letter from DWP saying they are looking to change me from Incap Ben to ESA and I am already worried after all the sham answers on their report from last time. I can’t remember how many times they said I could load the washing machine! Every box referred back to that, even tho’ I had said my partner had to do it and unload it 99% of the time. Thank you for any help and advice. I did my own appeal last time and won. I dictated it all to my other half and he typed as I spoke. I was told I could not get help from CAB or any other agencies as I have a doctorate in English and can string a sentence together. They said they were only there for people who REALLY needed them! I said my degree didn’t cover coping with the idiots at Atos and the DWP, but that didn’t bother them so I was left to put my case together on my own. Want to be more organised this time as I cannot cope with the stress at all. Good luck to everyone in the same boat.

    Comment by Jenny Reid — May 10, 2012 @ 9:21 pm

  173. Hello Jenny.

    First of all everyone is being transferred from IB to ESA there’s nothing anyone can do about that, when you were last assessed recording an ATOS assessment was forbidden, but Chris Grayling was cornered by someone who demanded their assessment be recorded and why can’t I get my assessment recorded even criminals have the right to be recorded etc, Grayling replied that people were asked and he found they didn’t want their assessment recorded (What a joker) but if you want your assessment recorded then so be it.

    This means you have a legal right to have your assessment recorded, that’s a face to face or at a domiciliary visit by ATOS, either way ATOS supply the equipment and after the assessment they have to give you a copy, asking for a recording can take a while to be arranged (apparently they only have 11 machines for the whole Country) and this can delay the assessment in your favour for a couple of weeks.

    The appeal you won means nothing to them Jenny, but a new GPs report would be a very good idea, if you can get it then showing the appeal panel two reports running consecutively will be very much in your favour, if you don’t have money then it may be possible to get legal help.

    There’s no point in worrying about something outside your control, if you are assessed and found fit for work then you appeal and win again, and get all the money they owe you backdated.

    Be aware that ATOS do not like home visits, in fact they are trying to convince the Government to support them in a ban, they obviously don’t like visiting peoples homes to assess claimants with mental issues who are already angry that these fools at ATOS are putting them through this nonsense again, not only that but there’s the little matter of the cost, every home visit eats into their profits and costs them time as well as having to drag recording equipment there and back, well that’s just too bad in my opinion, if you want a home visit then a letter or fax from your GP will do the trick, they will still moan, but they will concede eventually.

    We have a sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org a visit there doesn’t offend us, but offends ATOS because their lawyer didn’t like what we were saying, and tried to shut us down, it didn’t work, because we just went to a server in Iceland where the British Government has no control.

    Take care Jenny, and if the worst comes to the worst just win that appeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 11, 2012 @ 7:04 am

  174. Thanks for your reply. Just had a call from JSP. Explained letter and told me they would be sending out form for me to fill in within next 2 weeks. Then I have 4 weeks to get the forms back to them. I told them I would want home visit this time due to my illness and he said as long as doc sent letter that would be fine………we’ll see! I also said that based on the load of tosh the ATOS rep put on my last report I wanted it recorded and wanted a rep who understood M.E. He said to fill in the form and they would see if it needed to go further. For it not to go further a big pink pig should have just flown over my house and all I can see are grey clouds – literally. Thanks again. X

    Comment by Jenny — May 11, 2012 @ 10:05 am

  175. Can I actually use my own dictaphone to record the interview as long as I tell them I am doing it? Don’t mind them using their equipment as long as I can use mine. Other sites say you can use your own but bit confused now. Would not do it in secret – don’t see the point as it’s illegal to record without informing other parties.

    Comment by Jenny — May 11, 2012 @ 10:09 am

  176. Hello Jenny.

    I think you will find if you tell them you are recording the assessment they will stop right then and there, inform you that you have no right to record and maybe even panic and leave, if that happened you can bet your bottom dollar that within a matter of days a letter would arrive from the DWP saying that your benefits have stopped for non compliance.
    By the way it’s been reported that the HCP speaks quietly while the recording and assessment is in process, tell the HCP to speak up I CAN’T HEAR YOU.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 11, 2012 @ 12:16 pm

  177. Great!!! Nothing like having the visit weighted against you before you start!!! But who am I to teach everyone to suck eggs!? Downloaded the 3 docs listed at top of page. When I am up to it I will read them thoroughly. Concentration crap these days. Can’t believe I used to manage a staff of 52 – can’t organise me these days. The V3 doc took a bit of finding but it is there if you look. Don’t give up looking for it. By the way – ‘non compliance’ – where are the compliance rules listed? I was governed by compliance in previous jobs but did not expect my clients to know them. Have the DWP sent us all info re not recording them? Or are we all using the forever cloudy crystal ball, as ATOS are using, these days?

    Comment by Jenny — May 11, 2012 @ 2:25 pm

  178. Hello Jenny.

    Non compliance is basically what they say and whenever it suits them, and we get to know about the non compliance rules because that’s what they write to the unfortunates who fall foul of this rule, and there’s been thousands, for instance if a claimant on the work related form of ESA is directed by the DWP to attend a Work focused interview and can’t or won’t turn up then to save them hassle they just send a brown one informing you that your benefits have ceased from such and such a date, the reason NON COMPLIANCE.
    It’s up to the claimant to explain why he/she didn’t turn up, if they accept your explanation (On a drip in hospital) then they re-instate (With a struggle) your benefits, if they don’t agree (Missed the bus) then you have to appeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 11, 2012 @ 4:06 pm

  179. Jesus!!! What a mess!!! Shame we can’t all get together and take ATOS to the European Court of Appeal for fraud! Not filling in forms correctly, non impartiality etc etc etc!!! I’ll stop typing now and let you help others. Great site. Will keep it updated. Not holding my breath and already getting appeal sorted. Thank you for your help so far. X

    Comment by Jenny — May 11, 2012 @ 5:31 pm

  180. Cheers Jenny…Don’t forget to visit our wonderful forum http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 11, 2012 @ 6:52 pm

  181. Cheers to you too. Have a good weekend everyone. Thinking of you all. Take care. XX

    Comment by Jenny — May 11, 2012 @ 7:26 pm

  182. Hi all just found this wonderful site,I was at a tribunal in Feb2012 i was asked to adjorn for a home medical for dla so agreed then in Mar had home vist Thank God my sister was there to take notes got the report just last week May and what lies are in it she put nothing down that she was told well we have reported her to GMC ATOS DLA and now we discover she has just a medical quallafaction from QUB but it is a standard study coarse and she has no special health studys what a shamples sorry about my spelling head foggy today

    Comment by williej — May 13, 2012 @ 11:13 am

  183. Hello Willie.

    The tribunal adjourned to direct a corrupt healthcare company to assess you for DLA ? and your life stands or falls on what they say ?

    It just shows how out of touch these tribunals are, let’s hope the tribunal judge sees sense and can think for him/herself, it might not be the same tribunal by the way, it depends on what part of the Country you live in.

    Do you have someone there like welfare rights or the CAB to represent you ?.

    In future, now that you have learned your lesson, make sure you demand that your next assessment is recorded, that way there will be a copy of the assessment in oral form, they have to abide by your request and they have to give you a copy of the recording.

    Log in to the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org and learn your rights for the future.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 13, 2012 @ 11:55 am

  184. Hi i received my medical results today. They have put me in the work related activity group. I have requested my medical results. I also phoned them to ask what happens now and how could i possibly work while still recovering from surgery on both feet & still not able to walk without crutches along side other long term medical problems. The lady explained to me that i will not be forced into work but that they look towards finding me work in the future.I do not have to send anymore medical certificates in. She also said that i do not have a review for 2 yrs, which will not be far off my retirement.Could you tell me if i should take it to the tribunal or because the next review is not for 2yrs should i leave well alone ?

    Comment by Jean 56 — May 16, 2012 @ 12:09 pm

  185. Hello Jean.

    Just because they say you will not be reviewed for two years doesn’t mean that’s what will happen, you can get another ESA 50 and an assessment anytime.
    So it’s up to you if you feel so bad that you should be in the support group and appeal, you can get advice and help to do this from your local welfare rights or CAB, you have nothing to lose by just asking.

    Personally speaking if you can get the WRAG and stay in it then going for the support group isn’t worth the hassle, it would only be worth it on two conditions, first condition you are seriously seriously ill, or you are on contributory ESA, if you meet any of those two conditions then appealing in my opinion is a definite. Remember contributory ESA of the work related variety is time limited to one year and is also retrospective, but if you are on the support group of ESA it is not time limited.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 16, 2012 @ 1:32 pm

  186. Hi
    Thanks for your reply. I have the CAB on my case already they was waiting for my results first. They are making an appointment to see me so i can go through it all with them, and then decide what is the best action to take with their back up this time. I will let you know what happens. Thanks again.

    Comment by Jean 56 — May 16, 2012 @ 1:55 pm

  187. Hi, I have my first assessment in a few weeks and i am really worried about it after reading all of the comments above. I never go anywhere without someone so my brother is coming with me. Should he come in to the room with me or wait outside? Also, he is worried about being asked lots of questions by the Doctor…will he be asked anything, and if yes what kind of questions?

    Thanks for your help.


    Comment by steven — May 28, 2012 @ 9:47 pm

  188. Hello Steven.

    He can go into the room with you, they will not ask him any questions because the assessment is about you and your functional ability to work.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 29, 2012 @ 4:37 am

  189. Hi
    Am a 57 yr old male retired on a partial pension by Tesco ( £45 a week after they asked my dr for a report which stated ” mr p has a progressive degenerative disease however i feel he might return to work in six months time ” after 18 yrs in 2004 my last year i was putting in a 80 to 90 hour week paid for 36 1/2 as a stock controller in order to make the days easier

    I was refused a new hip because ” i was too young” ( i wouldn’t have one now after reading up on it and principles}
    i have a deformed hip
    2 of my lower spinal vertebra fused inoperable
    arthritic knees and cartilage problems

    apart from having a cartilage operation on one knee (was supposed to be both but after the operation asked why they hadn’t done both was told it was my hip causing my knees to lock up so they hadn’t bothered )
    i haven’t seen a doctor since mid 2003 i stopped taking any medication then and manage
    by not doing anything unless forced that affects my well being i tell myself pain is my friend it lets me know ime alive

    i do not go out of the house as walking gets progressively harder and anything i do today i pay for tomorrow

    however this leaves me very little evidence if ever i need to go to a tribunal when Atos fail me as they undoubtedly will which is a terrifying thought

    Comment by les — June 2, 2012 @ 12:06 pm

  190. Hello Les.

    Are you saying your own GP gave you a medical report which said you could return to work within six months time ?.
    If that’s the case, and you feel he/she is wrong then you ought to get to another surgery/practice and get yourself another GP and a full examination and another medical report, your present GP sounds as if they are in bed with Cameron and co..!!

    It’s highly possible that ATOS will fail you, but as you say, if it comes to a tribunal you can forget it with a report like that..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 2, 2012 @ 5:32 pm

  191. At the age of 13 I was in a serious rta almst dead major head injurys inc los of memory.spinal fluid leakin frm ear unconcious for 4wksand multipul breaks fractures all ova my body.coming threw this was hell,and always had pain and swollen ness in the old broken areas.2yrsago I visitd my motha who noticd I was limping.went to gp got sent to hos xrays,physio to find my then broken tybia and fibular was set incorectley.my bones over lap.ive shortening in me leg.my hips r owt of line and my posture is fuckd.went to c orthotics for build up whick made pain worse.ive also been diagnosed wiv arthrious in my facet joints and awaiting result frm blood test as mite have rhumatoid arthrious all ova.2 years I have been fighting for dla.social care say I need a carer as mst normal daily things r 2much 4me.i have to use a mob scooter.bath hoist and o.t said I needed stair lift. Im on fentanyl and gabapentin frm pain consultant as every min of every day is hell and full of pain.im appentley inoperable and my meds im immune too dnt help me in any way.ive got meeting at my house thiswk.and am bricking it.as had me for emplyment support n doc total ignored every thing I said n done. So wat can I do to help myself if disability dnt give a shit! Im on anti depressants where im that run down and sick of the constant battleing I have,and getin no where. Im 35 nw just.and a life of pain is killin me x please help sum how x

    Comment by Sabrina — June 5, 2012 @ 11:01 am

  192. Hello Sabrina.

    If the worst comes to the worst then you will have to appeal, they are failing people deliberately hoping they will just give up, so wait and see what happens, just take one thing at a time, if you have to appeal then go here and get great help http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 5, 2012 @ 2:16 pm

  193. Hi
    I am so annoyed. I phoned to have a copy of my medical report 3 weeks ago. Phoned again last week and they said be patient coz it goes out 2nd class post. Well today i thought i know our royal mail is sometimes slow but not 3 weeks. A bloke on phone told me he could not find any record of me requesting one. So here am i waiting on a report thats not even been sent out. Really angry now. Hopefully i will get one now as it HAS been requested from me again :(

    Comment by Jean 56 — June 7, 2012 @ 2:04 pm

  194. Hello Jean.

    You need to write to them, and even then it’s an ordeal trying to get it, they are deliberately holding back the ESA 85s so you aren’t in a position to compose a proper appeal, by the way when you talk to the DWP drones on the phone, just forget it, they couldn’t give a toss, and any requests go in one ear and out the other..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 7, 2012 @ 8:09 pm

  195. Hi
    Yes i agree with all you say. I am going to hound them to i get it. I sent of my form to the appeal against their decision. The CAB advised me to do it straight away as i only had til the 14th of june. I also put that my representative was unknown at this time but will inform them when i know who the person will be. Once i do get my copy of the medical report i will be arranging to meet someone from the CAB to go through it with me and advise on what i need to do in the way of doctors reports etc.

    Comment by Jean 56 — June 7, 2012 @ 8:19 pm

  196. This is for all you poor souls. Since I am new to this forum it has taken me a couple of hours to get a general feel for what I am seeing you all write.It is a horror, and not a story. I had a fairly minor ailment in 2005. It was ignored. Some Hospital practitioners call this “Watchful Waiting”. They let me down on the ‘watchful’ part, but they honoured the ‘Waiting’ part. I waited. I begged, I waited, begged with tears running down my face; for help before a major organ died. The Organ died. I nearly died of blood poisoning as a result of all this waiting. So many of you have similar & worse problems. I am not responsible for the cost that the treatment I will have to have lifelong. And nor are you. It has always been said that it is better to catch it early, to avoid complications. And I have to go,repeatedly, on trial to defend myself for becoming ill.
    The European Court of Human Rights seems to be our best hope. We must stagger them with the amount of us who are in such dreadful situations.7 years of my life, I am now 50, have gone never to return. Most of them have been increasingly alone.What say you? Do we fight?
    I say; aye. ATOS is a sick animal, it would be an act of mercy to abolish it. Bless you all.

    Comment by Richard — June 8, 2012 @ 1:11 am

  197. That’s the best way forward Jean, and is what I did, if you wait until after the monthly deadline then they can if they wish give you serious problems for not sending your appeal in on time, NOW EVERYONE…CAN YOU SEE WHAT WE ARE UP AGAINST ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 8, 2012 @ 5:42 am

  198. Hello Richard.

    We are trying to get rid of ATOS. go here http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 8, 2012 @ 5:54 am

  199. Ive just been sent an appointment to attend an ATOS examination on 20th june,my doctor sent them a letter explaiining why i couldnt attend a previous exam’ in April which i thought they’d accepted and either they’d give me a home visit or assess me again in 2 years(or whatever),i rang ATOS saying that my doctor had wrote to them explaining why i couldnt attend but they said they’d had a second look at it and reassessed it and they request my attendance,they said i could ring my doctor and ask him to contact them again but i dont know what he can say that he hasnt already said.
    I’ll ring the doctor this morning(just to be able to say ive rang him)but even if he writes to them again i dont see what he can add to his last letter.
    All i can see from here is just waiting for the appointment to pass(not attending)and then appealing,thinking of writing to my MP,any thought ideas on this would be most appreciated.

    Comment by C m — June 8, 2012 @ 6:02 am

  200. Hello C.
    You can only ask your DR to send the same message, only an updated version, ATOS don’t want to do home visits it seems..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 8, 2012 @ 1:42 pm

  201. Hi. Back again. Sorry! Got my medical questionnaire to fill in for ATOS. Phoned CAB for some advice as there is big gap between walking 50m and 200m. They have told me to tick the no box for the 50m and then fill in box saying that occasionally I can do more, as I should fill in whole thing based on the worse case scenario. I thought I should tick the ‘it varies’ box and then fill in box underneath. Would this be marked as well as the CAB’s version? I can sometimes not even get upstairs and have to slep downstairs, as my legs won’t get in to gear – M.E. leaves me absolutely shattered a lot of the time. Some days I look fine and can do things – not up to pre M.E. par but better than other days. I fall both upstairs and down as my legs won’t work. At the weekend I fell down a path on my knees as legs didn’t want to go any further.

    They also told me the blackout question didn’t include falling asleep at drop of hat which I also do during day as my sleep patterens are dire during night, but I should tick the no probs box and then fill in box telling them sleep probs. If it is based on tick box will the notes underneath be taken in to account? When I rang ATOS to ask if I could have an extension to fill in form so I could get some prof help filling it in this time I was told no but because I was a ‘mental case’ (!) – I also have depression – I could send it in late and it would not be a prob. If that is the case how can I be considered for work? Can just see a boss saying ‘It’s ok. You’re a mental case. Take as long as you like to finish work you have been given!’ Just seen some pigs flying over o I fill in form on worse case scenario and fill in extra facts in box or say it varies and fill in box? Thank you. XX

    Comment by Jenny. — June 11, 2012 @ 9:37 am

  202. Hello Jenny.

    It varies can be construed as being able to do it, so that’s why the CAB have advised you fill everything as your worse day, it can make the difference when it comes to totting up the points..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 11, 2012 @ 12:42 pm

  203. So it doesn’t matter if I can do it some days. Just say ‘no’, not ‘it varies’. Regarding the blackouts bit. Should I tick ‘no problem’ but fill in box with fact I fall asleep in day. Would you advise filling in all blank boxes with something or leave them blank if answer self explanatory? Will still be asking for home visit as cannot guarantee getting to place of appt if not. Also asking for interview tobe recorded. After last time seems to be best idea. Last ATOS report would have made a good work of fiction! Thank you for your help. By the way where is the best place to look on line for help filling in blank boxes on form (if there is such a place). JXXX

    Comment by Jenny. — June 11, 2012 @ 2:16 pm

  204. Hi
    I have just received a letter back from Job centre plus. Saying will look at the decision that i have appealed against and if appropriate they will revise the decision in my favour. If i have any further evidence which supports my appeal then to send to them. I have to take this letter to my GP as i need to send in medical cerificates again pending the appeal. Do i have to send them in while they are looking at the decision again or if it goes to the appeal ? Bit of a quandry this

    Comment by Anonymous — June 11, 2012 @ 3:13 pm

  205. Hello Jenny.

    It’s best to fill in as much as possible, as I said always put down your worst days.
    By the way you can get all the help you need here at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org just think up a username and log in..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 11, 2012 @ 10:45 pm

  206. Hello Anonymous.

    The chances of a re-consideration are slim, but there’s nothing to lose by sending a copy of any evidence you have, make sure you send them a sicknote just in case.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 11, 2012 @ 10:48 pm

  207. Thankyou, i thought the same after all the horror stories on here. But can only try.

    Comment by Jean 56 — June 12, 2012 @ 7:26 am

  208. Hi, I have just recieved a letter stating that I need to be reassed from incapacity benefit to esa, someone will ph me from my local jc, then will be sent the esa50 form to complete. I have had deppression/anxiety ongoing since 2003 (this was the last time I worked) but it has affected me throughout my life. 3 mths ago have devloped bladder problems (severe pain, frequency/urgency) my gp thinks it might be IC (interstital cystitis) its a chronic bladder pain condition, with no cure at the moment, can be controled with painmanagent, diet and other meds, but it depends on person to person, not had any succus with it so far, and its a fluctuating illness which is not well known! he has refeered me to a uro which is not until 19 July. So a dianosis (baring anyother conditions ruled out) will be a long way off! How do I explain this in the form, and the following assement? and how will it affect the outcome if I wont know anything more until I get into the system and future tests? Thanks for any advice you can give me.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 12, 2012 @ 4:08 pm

  209. Explain it to match the descriptors, for instance does the condition you suffer affect your walking ? standing ? sitting ?.
    It’s your functional ability to work that will be taken in to account, not your illness or how much pain it causes, you see ? it’s how it will affect your function at the workplace.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 12, 2012 @ 9:14 pm

  210. Right im with you! Thanks for your help! Having trouble getting onto you main webpage….clicking on the link, but keeps saying page not loading…timed out? Would really like to join.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 12, 2012 @ 10:03 pm

  211. Hello Anonymous.

    I don’t have an explanation for that, I’ve just clicked it and there’s no problem getting on… http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 13, 2012 @ 1:53 am

  212. must be somthing my end then hun…have tried link on google as well still not! Ill keep trying anyway.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 14, 2012 @ 12:19 pm

  213. if you have been turned down for the esa support group and been put in the work related group. go to your doctors or phone them and ask for a copy of the ESA113 form. this is the form the doctor will list your illnesses on and send to atos healthcare. if you are not happy with what doctor has put on form or if they have missed anything out. then go back and see the doctor and ask for a supporting letter explaining what you feel was overlooked in the original ESA113 form. send this evidence to the dwp when you ask them to look at the decision again before the appeal, which you have a right to do. they will look at this evidence before taking the appeal further. if you tick one of the 13 boxes in the ESA113 form then you should be put in the support group. this evidence from your doctor should be all it takes. but the more evidence of illnesses from health proffesionals you include the better.
    if you have a mental illness, get in touch with m.i.n.d, as they will help you with appealling, acting as a go between. they are very helpful.
    lastly do not despair if atos have ignored every thing you wrote in your original medical form and then say you are fit for work. they are using PPI tactics, turn everyone down, and hopefully a certain amount will give up.
    they will do this to almost everyone. its wrong, but follow the above and you have a very good chance of winning before appeal, almost certainly at appeal. good luck.

    Comment by john scott — June 16, 2012 @ 2:04 pm

  214. Hi All As you know I have M.E. amongst other things. I also have a driving license. I am not dangerous or incapable of driving. If I feel tired I do not drive and if I get tired when out (I only go within 2 miles of home) I park the car up safely, get a taxi home and then my other half gets a taxi to my car and drives it home for me. Can ATOS report me to the DVLA, as the CAB has told me to answer all the questions in the ESA50 03.11 based on worse case scenario?! It’s taken me 3 days to get to Q13 and if I was a horse I’d have been shot by now. The DVLA are aware I am a tablet only diabetic and my doc does not consider me a danger on the road as she knows I do not drive if I am tired, and I am not tired 100% of the time. Thought it worth checking with you as I have been told to emphasise the tiredness – which doesn’t need much emphasis to be honest. As ever, thank you. X

    Comment by Jenny. — June 17, 2012 @ 7:04 pm

  215. Hello Jenny.

    The whole purpose of the existence of ATOS is to deprive you/us of your/our benefits, and whether they report you or not is irrelevant, it’s your own Dr who decides whether you are fit to drive, anyone with a driving licence and feels they are a danger on the road when they drive then that person has a responsibility and duty to refrain from driving until they stop being a danger, at the very least, remember it’s not just your neck if you fall asleep on the motorway.
    And the way I look at it is this, anyone climbing in to a car and attempting to drive when not in full control of their faculty’s induced whether through drink, legal or illegal drugs or any kind of extreme tiredness has got a cheek and shouldn’t even have a driving licence in the first place.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 18, 2012 @ 5:28 am

  216. My doctor and my consultant have both said I am fit to and not a danger on the road, so thank you for your reply.

    Comment by Jenny. — June 18, 2012 @ 8:06 am

  217. Funny how the Government doesn’t trust GPs to go medicals for ESA and DLA.

    Yet the Governement will trust GPs to run the NHS!

    Comment by Bruce — June 18, 2012 @ 1:57 pm

  218. Good comment Bruce. Just to reiterate. I have been told I am fine to drive, tho’ I do not drive very far. 600 miles in 2.5 years! If I am tired I leave car at home and get taxi if the appointment is urgent, or cancel appt altogether. If I get tired when I am out, I leave car, get taxi home and my car is collected and brought home by fiance. I only go out in it if I am feeling ok at the time, which can happen with M.E. You have good and bad days. So I hope no one thinks it is a cheek that the driving license I have held CLEANLY for 25 years is as bad as last but one entry states. I never get in a car if I am tired. I know what I can and cannot do and if I am unsure I err on the side of caution every time. I have the ok from a M.E. consultant up here and my GP. I was simply asking if ATOS has ever reported someone to the DVLA when a person’s GP has not seen the need to do so. I did not expect the personal attack at the end of the reply, especially when a family member was killed by a hit and run drunk driver some years ago. I have far too much regard for myself, and as importantly, others out there. Sorry for this but I have been feeling very upset about the reply since I read it this morning and took it very personally.

    Comment by Jenny. — June 18, 2012 @ 2:11 pm

  219. A good comment Bruce.

    Comment by Jean 56 — June 18, 2012 @ 8:15 pm

  220. I was made unfit for work in 2008 after trying for a long time I had a lot of health issues in 2008 after appealing I got the dwp to get a doctor of there choice to Come and assess me in the home he did and he did a report and subsequently I was awarded DLA high mobility mid care also awarded SDA and I get IS sickness premium , I know I’m going to get called in for one of the new WCA medicals but all of a sudden my own GP seems to be working with the DWP the last doctors appointment I had she started to question me about what I did all day did I watch DVDs , then she said (you won’t believe this but it’s true) she said “you’ve got a beautiful face and lovely hair we need to get you back in work” ????? If this is my own GP saying this why? When I’m genuinely unfit for work I take 26 tablets a day just so I can get out of bed , what can I do ? I don’t stand a cat in bells chance at my next medical without the confidence of my own GP…………Does anyone know if the DWP are working with the GPs on some kind of incentive scheme to get people back to work ????

    Comment by Carole worthington — June 18, 2012 @ 11:59 pm

  221. Hello Carole.

    It’s more likely that your GP is on an Iain Duncan Smith inspired ideological mission to get folk back to work rather than a conspiracy with the DWP. So on your next visit why don’t you ask the GP how you can arrange with her how she can get you back in to work without ruining your life.
    Make it clear that any positive help will be appreciated, but also make it clear that if helping you back in to work means you are going to be punished for trying then you are not going to find that very attractive.
    So if you don’t like what you hear, what can you do ? well an alternative is to change your GP, there’s no law that says you have to stay with that GP, you can go to another practice even, and you don’t need to give a reason.
    Listen to what she has to say first, see if you can get help rather than looking at it negatively, as I said then you can find out where she is coming from and take action on what message/s you are getting.
    It’s a terrible situation we are all in Carole, try and be positive and we are punished by these idiots that Govern us, not making an effort is punished as well, better to make an effort and show that you are at least trying.
    If you need help with coping with the future assessment and any possible appeals then you can do yourself a favour and think up a username and log in to the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org thay are in the same boat as you and can give lot’s of help.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 19, 2012 @ 4:40 am

  222. Hi I had my atos ‘medical’ yesterday what a total joke ten minutes in and out I currently get DLA but still work 20 hrs a week. I had a very bad car crash 3 years ago which has now put me in a wheelchair luckly I own my business and work with my sister who is a saint and gets me on and off toilet at work and helps me when i need it. This dr actually did a home visit my sister was with me. I was gob smacked when he said oh so you can walk with sticks for 10 to 15 minutes I actually laughed at him and said are you having a laugh less than a minute if you are lucky. My sister told him i wobble all over the place and fall frequently. I also showed him that local authority are build a downstairs bedroom as i cant use stairs and access to work are paying for a wheelchair so that i can continue working. so i guess i am asking would any of this additional paperwork help? Oh and he didnt ask me about my care needs i had to turn round to him and say are you not going to ask about cooking and personal care?

    Comment by Sarah76 — June 21, 2012 @ 7:30 am

  223. Hello Sarah.

    Any kind of written support will help, wait and see what it says on your assessment report and then take it from there.
    One thing it will not say is that he was there for ten minutes and out, it will say something like the assessment lasted for 40 minutes or thereabouts. He didn’t ask you because he has already made up his mind regarding your care needs etc.
    Yes you will be surprised when you see your report, so whether they grant DLA or not, insist you get a copy of that report.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 21, 2012 @ 11:12 am

  224. Is there a time limit when Atos do medical? as Its not long ago I saw a Dr who then phoned wife later in evening saying ” you should of been with your husband as he was very very much Time Consuming 1 hour” Im Acquired Totally Deaf not long ago, and have ear canals sealed up, Obviously ive only just gone inot what I call insanity(Depression) no its not funny at all. I have no sign language, not good lip reader, balance problem, I had cochlear implants that were Extracted they didnt work, but we knew it might not it was a gamble..Now Im Waiting for minor op on L eye as I suffer bells palsy, and sever muscle spasms etc etc etc, main question is there a time limit ?

    Comment by SJ — June 21, 2012 @ 12:11 pm

  225. Hello SG.

    There doesn’t seem to be a time limit before they contact you again, you might not hear from them for months then without warning a letter arrives from ATOS demanding you attend another assessment, so the way to look at it is NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS.
    It’s a kind of catch 22, you want to know the result and they are not telling you directly, you just keep getting your money, on the other hand if you contact them to find out what’s happening then that could put negative ideas in to their heads and inspire them to dig your file out to check up on you.

    If they didn’t contact me ever again I would be over the moon, so if it was me I would resist temptation and just let them contact me when they are ready, of course if you want to put those kind of ideas in to their heads well…GO AHEAD AND CONTACT THEM AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 21, 2012 @ 2:16 pm

  226. Hi
    I have spoke to you a few times, but need some advise please.
    I as you know am appealing about the decision to place me on work placement. I still have not received a copy of my medical report that i first asked for May 16th. Have phoned them 4 times now and each time they say we will apply for it again. How can i appeal against something when i have no evidence on what is written in that stupid Atos report.

    I received a letter from Ceetec to go for an interview to help me find work. I phoned them and explained i am appealing the decision. The lady said the work placement i am on i don’t need to attend but the letter said i had to go or lose benifits. She told me not to bother with interview as they cant force me back to work. So now i am totally confused because one is saying one thing and another saying something else.

    I have now received a letter from job centre to attend an interview there on the 4th July to see a personal advisor.
    They all know i recently had 2 operations on both feet and still pre op. How on earth am i to get there when i cannot drive & the building is over 9 miles away :( So another phone call to them monday to explain

    Do they know what they are doing.Coz i am sure i don’t.

    One says to send in medical certificates another says i don’t need to coz i am appealing the decision ??

    I went to my GP on friday i have a bad chest & ear infection and now on strong antibiotics also put on steroids Prednisolone 6 in one go daily. Also my back has flared up & i am in so much pain. I have athritis in both soles of my feet and can hardly walk without getting bad cramps & pain.
    I am sure its all the stress of this thats causing bad health.

    I asked my GP for a medical report and i would pay the £80 but he said he will not do it as its a rip off and in his opinion they do not take any notice of him so would be a waste of time & my money. He said to do my own report and he will stamp & sign it. As i have already done this when filled in the first form they did not take that into account so would be a waste of time.

    I am waiting for the CAB to get in touch for an appointment but they are so busy. But time is getting on for a chance of them revise their decision (as said in letter.) And without any medical eveidence from GP i dont hold up much chance of winning.

    I am at the end of my tether now and so stressed out & ill, I am now thinking is this going to get any better & so give up as i cannot get any lower than i already am.

    Comment by Jean 56 — June 24, 2012 @ 1:44 pm

  227. Hello Jean.

    First of all, you don’t actually need to be in possession of your ESA 85 to appeal, you can give the DWP notice by letter that you intend to appeal, you can add on there that you will forward the main part of your appeal when the DWP send you the ESA 85 assessment report, if you attache a sicknote and also mention that you would like to be paid the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard, then you will receive a letter saying that your appeal has been accepted and you will be paid the assessment rate starting from such and such a date.

    As far as I can see this is the only way round it if you want to get a move on and be paid.

    So then, you’ve started your appeal, they have sent you a letter confirming this, that’s when you send another letter asking if they would send you on the ESA 85 in order for you to compose the rest of your appeal.

    By the way, in order for you to appeal an unfit for work decision you do need to send the DWP a sicknote, and in order for you to be eligible for the assessment rate, you need to attend work focused interviews if asked, I’ve heard that some seriously ill people have been interviewed on the phone rather than having to attend in person.

    Check out http://www.dwpexamination.org and learn what the Tories have in store for us, and learn how to combat ATOS and the DWP.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 24, 2012 @ 2:37 pm

  228. Thankyou for your quick response. I will phone the jobseekers tomoorow and explain my illness and cannot attend. will see what they say and as you say may interview over the phone.

    I will proceed to get a letter drafted up for DWP telling them that i will forward more information when i have received my ESA 85 assessment report and any further information i get.

    Hopefully the lady that is taking on my case at the CAB will be in touch on tuesday when she is back to work, but i do understand that they are so busy.

    Thankyou i really appreciate your sound advise, it gives me some hope in all this.

    Comment by Jean 56 — June 24, 2012 @ 3:06 pm

  229. hi i could do with some advice help or encouragement, 2 years ago i was finished from royal mail after 30yrs on ill health grounds by their atos “drs” i have been unable to work since due to incontinence, i had 40% of my prostate removed, all the medications known as alpha blockers have not helped and i have suffered most the side affects they have.i have been receiving benefit during that time since and seemed to have been moved through various incarnations of esa, which seemed to have me finally in a work group, my g.p. had to provide fit notes for a while but was then told i didnt need too, as £30 of the money i received for disability would now be for life, in may this year i went for another of atos medicals which i seemed to have to go to somthing like every 6 months, i passed all the previous and as my condition is getting worse slowly with the only options from this point being extreme such as bladder removal etc, however i have failed the more recent one with only 6 points, i guess i was just managing for a while but had to go to the drs for anti depressants as i was suddenly so low i was beginning to feel suicidal, i told my g.p the reason and asked for a letter for my appeal on my condition, he also suggested asking for a letter from the urologist i am under which i have written asking for help in the last few days. previously about a week and half back i had received a phone call from my local job centre telling me my esa would be stopping and they wanted to move me onto the job seekers thing i said no have i the right of appeal they then said yes, but had no forms, i said i wanted the forms right away, today 27th june a letter came saying my money had stopped from the 20th a breif report about how i can see and walk straight and talk to folk, and how because i wear pads i would have no problem working despite the fact i would probably wet then quite a few times if i didnt reach a toilet,that part was all very vague on the report compered to what information i actually gave them, the last 6 months of my 30 years had been indoor due to my incontinence, at 57 and with this condition i doubt anyone would look at me anyways so its obviously a cost cutting exercise, i am sorry if this is vague or all jumbled but the damn anti depressants are making it hard to see or think properly, only had them since monday..hopefully i will get a sensible letter from my gp and if the urologist sends one i may have then intime before the month runs out from the 20th is there any more that can be done by me i.e when i fill the appeal in etc..cheers derek..

    Comment by derek — June 27, 2012 @ 12:45 pm

  230. Hello Derek.

    You can only fill in the appeal form as best as you can by explaining how your health problems prevent you from working, it’s your functional ability in the workplace that’s important and not the illness a person has.

    Make sure you get your ESA 85 if you already don’t have it, you will need it, because you need to see what you are appealing against.
    We have found that the DWP are not sending the ESA 85s to people who are appealing because it is making an appeal easier at the tribunal, so they are holding them back until you actually send them the GL 24 appeal form.

    Don’t let that put you of though, you can still send the GL 24 form and write on there that you wish to appeal against their decision to find you fit for work, and when you receive the ESA 85 assessment report then you will forward them the rest of your appeal.
    Don’t forget to attach a sicknote and also don’t forget to ask them for the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard.

    By the way, anything you send the DWP like DRs reports, make sure you send them a copy and not the original, originals go missing for some strange reason at the DWP office/s.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 27, 2012 @ 1:00 pm

  231. hi thankyou for your prompt reply, sorry if i sound a bit thick as i said the anti depressants are clouding me a bit, the esa 85 that i need they will send me that when i appeal and send copys of letters or letter i get in time from drs, with the appeal. thank you again derek..

    Comment by derek — June 27, 2012 @ 1:13 pm

  232. Ive a home visit in 7 days(which i’m dreading),only notified of this yesterday,isnt this short notice?can i get legal aid and have legal advice with me when this happens?

    Comment by c — June 29, 2012 @ 7:28 am

  233. Hello C.

    Legal help at the home visit ? there’s no chance of that I’m afraid, but you can get the assessment recorded by ATOS themselves, you have to give them some notice though, I would say that a week is enough, why not ask them to record it when they assess you ?. They will almost certainly refuse, and state some BS reason why they can’t, reasons they have given so far have been ”We haven’t got enough recording machines sorry” ”We don’t do recordings at home visits, why do you want it recorded anyway ?” ”Who told you that rubbish that you can get your assessment recorded ?” ”Sorry Sir but if you wanted your assessment recorded then you should have told us sooner, now it’s to late sorry” what excuse they use depends on the person you speak too, because they all have a different excuse to why you can’t have it recorded.

    You CAN get your assessment recorded, on our forum http://www.dwpexamination.org one of our members got a home visit and got the assessment recorded, and a copy of the recording in a plastic sleeve immediately after the assessment finished. Also another member has a letter from Chris Grayling saying that all claimants have a right to have their assessment recorded if they wish, as long as ATOS carry out the recording.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 29, 2012 @ 8:36 am

  234. Hi
    I am still waiting for my copy of my assessment. After 4 phone calls now they say because it was a home visit and it was written down it does not go straight on the system it has to be emailed to them. But someone from benifits department has now emailed them to send a copy to them & hopefully i will get one sent to me. What a system we have in place i thought it was my right to ask for a copy its just been one after another excuse with them :( I also went to CAB yesterday for advise. They are going to send me an appointment now as i only saw an advisor yesterday so hopefully they will help me sort all this out they seem keen to help me. They advised me to go to the interview i have with job seekers although i am still unfit for work according to my surgeon for at least another 2 months besides other medical problems. They say any excuse they will stop my money. I have been told to get in touch with DLA to get my carers moved up from low to middle but CAB advised me to leave well alone because of all what is going on with so many changes. So perhaps i should for a while. Really don’t want to rock the boat. What do you think any advise will help. Thankyou

    Comment by Jean 56 — June 29, 2012 @ 9:34 am

  235. They (DWP) don’t want anyone to see their assessment reports, that’s the reason for the delay, they hope you give up and leave them alone, I can suggest you don’t leave them alone, just keep hammering away until you get it. As for the CAB ? well any advice they give you then you should take it..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 29, 2012 @ 12:37 pm

  236. Thanks for reply. And yes i am phoning them from now on every 2 days until they get the message.Hopefully CAB can help me through all this worry.

    Comment by Jean 56 — June 29, 2012 @ 2:15 pm

  237. Hi
    I am having to type this with one finger so taking a long time :( I fell last night (yet again) and badly bruised my right elbow. Not broken thank goodness. Doctor sending me for xray on right hip as really playing me up now and leg giving away. I heard from the job centre, they are putting my appeal through for the ESA after placing me on work related group. The lady asked if i understood what the work placement was all about. I asked her to enlighten me as i am not fit to work. She said that they would find me some kind of work that i could do with my disibilities like therapy work etc. I was asked if i use a walking stick/wheelchair. I told her the walking stick but do not walk to far as my legs give way and its so painful to walk. but do use a wheel chair if l am having a bad day or going on a trip and too far to walk. She went on to explain that if i could walk with stick then i could be offered a frame to keep me more steady on my feet so as help me do some kind of job. I was totally flabberghasted and was imagining people struggling with a frame in a work place.She went on to surprise me by saying she understands that i have been asking for a copy of my ATOS medical report. I told her yes since May with no luck. She said she had a written & typed one and would send both copies. How annoying is that they i could have been sent it earlier :( The CAB have been in touch and i have an appointment on 6th August they are going through everything with me. But i understand that it will be ages before i go to the tribulnal court as such a long waiting list. But i feel happier that i am finally getting help.

    Comment by Jean 56 — July 6, 2012 @ 1:30 pm

  238. I’ve had the dreaded phone call telling me that the questionair is on the way. The questions and answers on this site has thrown some light on what i might expect, and will be a lot of help in this very worrying time. Very helpfull thanks, no doubt you will be hearing from me in the very near future.

    Comment by Terry — July 6, 2012 @ 10:41 pm

  239. Hi Jean.

    When you finally get to the tribunal and win, you will find within a couple of months at the most another white envelope will arrive from ATOS demanding you attend another assessment, and the whole nightmare thing will start again.
    So the longer you wait for the appeal to be heard the better, it’s ironic I know, but true. The person you spoke to is a muppet, a controlled drone totally incapable of any kind of meaningful independent thought who actually believes the Government inspired drivel that’s been rammed in to her skull.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 7, 2012 @ 7:10 am

  240. Had my home examination yesterday and looking back on it i’m sure the hcp will enter me for the olympics…..what i want to know is what happens now?do i just wait till they notify me of their decision…sorry to be such a simpleton but i’d just like it clear…..just to say a big thank you for all the help so far.

    Comment by Anonymous — July 7, 2012 @ 8:13 am

  241. Hello Anonymous.

    Yes you just wait until they contact you, then you can decide what to do next that suits you.
    If you are not happy with any decisions they make then you have a right to an appeal and paid the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard. By the way, you can get excellent help here at our sister site, just think up a username and log in http://www.dwpexamination.org the server is based in Iceland and is subject to a more favourable Icelandic internet freedom of expression law/s, in other words is outside the jurisdiction of the British Government.
    At the moment though we believe that anyone with a BT account is being blocked deliberately from accessing the site, because BT and ATOS are in cahoots with each other, strangely enough the majority of BT workers are totally clueless into who ATOS are, and therefore clueless into their criminal activities, this means if one checks with BT themselves they will tell you that everything is in order, and from their prospective maybe it is, but let’s not forget ATOS are experts in Information Technology and to hoodwink BT workers would be easy enough.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 7, 2012 @ 9:39 am

  242. Thank you dwp….so not to wait a few working days and ask them for a copy of the hcp report?wait till a decision is made?

    Comment by C m — July 7, 2012 @ 10:28 am

  243. I have heard that there is a long waiting list for the tribunal court. Why does that not surprise me with the amount of sick & disabled they are persecuting. The nightmare will continue up to i can retire in 2015. which should have been this october when i am 60yrs old. A drone/muppet yes well put coz thats what they are. Atos well no words from me can describe them :( Still another day goes past when my copy of Atos medical report has not turned up. After yet again promising it is in the post. How can i put my case across with the tribunal, with the help from the CAB if i do not have anything to work on from the report. I am just lost what to do now as i have tried 5 times to get my rightful copy. Its getting so frustrating and stressful.

    Comment by Jean 56 — July 7, 2012 @ 11:19 am

  244. Hello Cm.

    You could ask them for the report immediately there’s nothing to stop you from doing that, but since a decision is still pending on whether you are entitled to ESA or not then we have found if you ask for the ESA 85 report before the decision is made then their reply is what do you want that for ?.
    It may even give them ideas like finding you fit for work out of malice, CYNICAL ? yes I suppose it is, but then when you have nearly four years of experience of DWP corruption then one becomes Cynical.
    You need to understand the reason why they don’t send the ESA 85 assessment reports, which is, when you read it upfront and see the lies the so called Health care Professional has said about you then it’s much easier to compose and submit a proper appeal, since the DWP don’t want you to win an appeal then it stands to reason the delay in sending you the ESA 85 can only hinder you from mounting a proper appeal and therefore winning, you see, far to many people have been winning their appeals and the Government have told the DWP to find ways (by hook or by crook) to stop them…This means the DWP have targets, and this is just one of these targets, they are victims themselves (Although they can’t see it) because if they don’t toe the line and produce results then they experience unpleasant problems at work, this is every day of their working lives, it’s never ending.
    So instead of hating the very people who bully them, they choose to bully and intimidate the very people who are (In their minds) the cause of their problems, which is the sick and disabled, the unemployed, the dispossessed etc, anyone in fact but the true Bullies like their managers, and the Iain Duncan Smith/Chris Grayling crowd.

    That doesn’t mean we don’t stand up to these Bullies, it just means we are a little more canny in how we deal with them, so wait for the decision then ask for the ESA 85 whether we are appealing or not, because even people who are being found unfit for work are seeing serious lies about their health on these ESA 85s, this is important in the future when you are eventually found fit for work by these criminal charlatans.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 7, 2012 @ 12:31 pm

  245. Hi Jean.

    I can refer you to the answer I gave to Cm, and explains the reason why they delay the ESA 85 assessment report.
    2015 ? well by that time the Tories and their partners in crime will be ousted legally, and they will never be elected again, they know this, that is why they are pursuing their dreadful policies which they had no mandate with great gusto, they know the next Government whether it’s New labour or Ukip or a confederation of different parties will find great difficulty in finding a way to reverse these dreadful unjust NHS and Welfare reform decisions without ruining the Country completely.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 7, 2012 @ 12:39 pm

  246. Thankyou i just read your answer to CM. With all that is going on no wonder we are getting very cynical. There is still a long time to go before this goverment is thrown out on their backsides. But before that untold damage will be done. I can only say THANK GOD i never voted the tories in and never will. I remember very well the devastation they caused before. I agree totally with your last statement. It is going to be very difficult for the next goverment to reverse the welfare reforms. But in the mean time we all have to suffer :(

    Comment by Jean 56 — July 7, 2012 @ 1:16 pm

  247. http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2012-03-15/the-disabled-to-be-used-for-slave-labor-uk-government-plan/
    read this on what awaits us with disabilities this is the new welafare plan…

    Comment by derek — July 8, 2012 @ 8:15 pm

  248. Hi
    I finally received my copy of the Atos report. I was not happy with it as you can guess going by other stories. My daughter was with me during this so called assesment at my home and she has read the report and is going to go through it and correct a lot of things the doctor has said. He put that i can walk from the doctors car park with help. But we told him my doctors surgery does not have a car park it is on a main road and we can park outside so only a few feet to walk in the surgery door with help. He put that he could not carry on with a medical as i was in pain so marked me that i could lift my arms above my head with no problem. I cannot lift my arms above my head. My daughter held me up as at the time i had a k-wire sticking out top of my toe afer an operation so balance was bad as had to stand on my heal and not my toe. It was a bit akward trying to stand let alone lift my arms. He has put that i can transfer from one chair to another. Which i cannot without help. He never asked me to do that during the assesment. He also said i have no problems with steps. I live on first floor flat. My daughter explained that 2 bannisters have been put in to help me. And that i still have to have help to get up stairs. Also that i do not go out unless i have to because i am struggling with the stairs. I cannot afford to move out and rent a ground floor flat. and getting no help from anyone to move me to somewhere with disibilities. There is no mention of equipment i have to help me such as bath chair he just put that i sit on toilet to wash. No mention of bed rail to help myself up on a good day. My daughter told him i was suffering from verigo. The doctor said he would write that down. But there is no mention in report. My daughter was trying to explain my medical condition. The doctor replied that he was not interested in my medical history he was only there to see how i was coping at home. But there was no mention in report how i was coping. He has put in report that i was unable to resume work for 2 years. Well that takes me close to retiring.He did put that i suffer from depression and during his so called medical i was in pain and very uncomfortable sitting for a long spell during his assesment.Roll on 6th August when i have an appointment with the CAB. My daughter is going to take me and go through the whole assessment with them. Now i am getting phonecalls from C-tec who i have been placed with for work activity. Also from Job seekers for interviews. I have had a bad fall in the week landing on my right elbow luckily not broke but very bruised & swollen. Also hurting my right hip which has flared up so awaiting a scan date to come through. But they want me to get to an akward place with lots of walking for interviews. Threating that my benifits will stop if i do no go.Now my depression has got worse, can’t stop crying. And in a very lonely place at the moment.

    Comment by Jean 56 — July 13, 2012 @ 1:52 pm

  249. I have just got a letter from ATOS giving me an appointment date for my medical. The CAB helped me fill in my original medical questionaire and said I had way over the points necessary but would not be surprised if I was still required to go for a medical. I have telephoned the appts team at ATOS and put in a request for a home visit and for the visit to be recorded. I was told that they do not allow recordings at a home visit. You have to attend one of their centres. Is this correct? I was going to phone the DWP and ask why, with such a comprehensively filled in questionaire they still want me to have an TOS check but don’t think there is much point! They have their own agenda and we all know what that is! Does my IB stop until the home visit etc is sorted out datewise as they have canx the orig appt date of 2/8 due to my 2 requests. Thank you for your help.

    Comment by Jen — July 19, 2012 @ 1:25 pm

  250. Hello Jen.

    They have done recordings at home visits as well as at their centres, trouble is the don’t want to do either, and are looking for excuses to avoid doing them, the proof is on our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org ask them if they don’t do home visit recordings and they will tell you it’s not true, because some of our memebers have had home recordings by ATOS.
    If they have cancelled the home visit then that shouldn’t affect your benefits, your IB will be paid until the DWP themselves say you are fit to work, when you receive that letter then that’s the time to appeal.
    If ATOS threaten you with withdrawal of benefits if you do not accede to their request for an assessment without recording it, then you should immediately contact your Chris Grayling through your Member of parliament (hope it’s not a Tory) and explain that you are not refusing to be assessed for work, all you want is it to be recorded.

    Beware…ATOS sometimes use the ”REFUSED TO BE ASSESSED” ploy, and that is good enough for the DWP to refuse you benefits, this is important when you come to an appeal, because the first thing the appeal panel will look at is ”DID SHE OR DID SHE NOT SAY THAT SHE REFUSED TO BE ASSESSED ON HER FUNCTIONAL ABILITY TO WORK” you want to be able to answer ”AT NO TIME EVER DID I SAY I DID NOT WANT TO BE, OR EVER REFUSED TO BE ASSESSED ON MY FUNCTIONAL ABILITY TO WORK” It’s important to understand the difference and it’s important to understand the play on words tricks they use.
    That is one of the reasons why we advocate that if ATOS demand you attend an assessment (Provided one is bodily able) then you should go, because not attending can be very hazardous to the health of your bank account.
    But if you have already asked for a recording and they can’t provide the equipment then when the claimant gets there and the assessment is about to start without them recording, then it’s within your rights to say ”I have complied with your demands, I have presented myself for an assessment, you have failed to provide the equipment, it’s for ATOS to provide the recording device etc (As Chris Grayling promised in Parliament) and therefore you have no right to assess me without supplying me with a copy of the recording of this assessment.
    Same goes for a home visit, you have the right to have the assessment recorded..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 19, 2012 @ 2:06 pm

  251. Thank you for all this. The guy at ATOS said I knew more than he did when I told him I was entitled to have the home visit recorded!!! Worrying. That’s why I wrote to you. They’ll prob try turning down request for home visit now and say my doc’s reasons do not fit their criteria for home visit. I am so sceptical!!!I am sure I have read somewhere on this Blog that I can ask to claim something if it all goes wrong, until I get an appeal up and running. Have just rung CAB and talked to guy who helped me fill in form. Says he cannot believe I am being called up for medical based on details sent to ATOS. Is it worth phoning DWP and asking them why they have insisted on medical or just go with flow and wait and see what haps? haven’t really got energy to fight the good fight at moment.

    Comment by Jen — July 19, 2012 @ 3:12 pm

  252. Hello Jen.

    There’s no point in phoning the DWP or ATOS about anything – unless it’s the most basic stuff – better to write to them.

    To get a home visit you need some support from your GP or the Hospital, without that support they will not entertain you, a fax from your GP to ATOS usually works, but even then they sometimes refuse, the reason they do that is to see how far you are prepared to go to get a home visit before they give in.

    ATOS are riding a very fine line, one day someone is going to kill themselves trying to get to their centre after refusing a home visit, and the family of the claimant will be on them like a ton of bricks.
    It’s just a matter of time..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 19, 2012 @ 3:25 pm

  253. Thanks for your advice. Your last comment is just what my other half said last week. The CAB guy said we should all be taking our cases to the European Courts. Good idea but how do we all do that? Will see doc next week for her help re letter. Then will wait and see what haps. I can see another 7 months of waiting for an appeal to be heard coming on. At this rate all we’ll be fit for is joining a circus – jumpimg thro’ hoops being our speciality. How on earth do you know all this info? Thank goodness we have someone on the end of a blog to calm us down and help. X

    Comment by Jen — July 19, 2012 @ 5:07 pm

  254. Hi Jen.

    In 2008 I was migrated from IB to ESA and was summoned to an assessment, I didn’t think anything of it, I’d been to a couple before and was found unfit for work,
    But this time unknown to me, things were going to be different, I was going to be found fit for work deliberately and the only way they could do that was to lie through their teeth, when I seen my IB 85 report I was infuriated, it was nothing but a complete fabrication from start to finish and so I appealed, and while I waited for my appeal to be heard I applied for ESA, same thing found fit for work and another complete fabrication arrived in the form of an ESA 85, so I now have two appeals outstanding, the first appeal I lost, lost because I didn’t understand the system, I didn’t bother to educate myself because I trusted the appeal panel would see my GPs report and see sense, but no, they also found me fit for work, and that’s when I realised I had to learn my rights because they are not just going to give them to me, I had to demand them, and do everything possible to increase my chances at the ESA appeal which was coming shortly, this means I had to learn what they want, and learn I did, I found out about the corruption of New Labour, I found out about UNUM insurance and how they influenced the last Government for their own selfish ends, I found out about UNUMs connection with ATOS so called bloody healthcare and I got angrier and angrier as each day went by, I also found out about the American Wisconsin model (Google in Wisconsin model welfare reform) here’s one here http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=in%20wisconsin%20model%20welfare%20reform&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CHkQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2Fpolitics%2F2012%2Fjun%2F25%2Fwelfare-reform-cameron-wisconsin-model&ei=wEwIUKDBMdPY0QWK84DGBA&usg=AFQjCNGxT-56HhdkxBEvWD7_9uVmpffu5g&cad=rja I found out about Mansel Aylward and Dame Carol Black, I did all this long before anyone had even heard of the Wisconsin model, and therefore became one of the first persons in Britain to understand what was going on, this Government have just taken off where the last Government left off, they have been planning it all for years, they are all in it together, that’s why they are all in denial, they have almost full control of the media as well.

    Well there’s not a lot I personally can do about that, but myself and my compadre Nelson have decided that enough is enough, and we are going to throw a massive spammer in to the works, and do everything we can to help people get a head start on the right road, the more people who stand up for their selves the more difficult it will be for this poxy Government to carry out their plans to subjugate us.

    Anyway we don’t get paid for this, stuffing ATOS and the DWP and this awful dreadful Nazi Government every day is reward enough, by the way, armed with my new education I attended the ESA appeal and won, got 18 points and I gave a one fingered salute to the DWP sycophants who try to dumb us all down, before I went to the ESA appeal hearing the welfare rights said I had no chance because it’s harder to pass an ESA appeal than a IB appeal, just shows they have given up, they know the whole system is corrupt, but say nothing and do nothing.
    If welfare rights spoke out this thing would be over, but no…welfare rights still say nothing and do nothing, and they just don’t get it, they are next to get it in the neck, because they have shown how weak they are in the face of Government oppression, they are not standing up for their selves so they are going to lose their jobs shortly, one by one, then office by office…as I said they can do something but it has to be now, next year is to late.

    But the horror still goes on, there will be no let up until we get rid of this Government, so stand up for yourselves, they are cowards, they (ATOS/DWP) have to follow certain rules, if they don’t they can be held to account, this is what I mean by someone dying on there way to a forced ATOS assessment, if this happens and the family concerned are on the ball then ATOS are finished, as long as the family seek true justice and refuse to be bribed and paid off. Here’s the latest scandal, a man in Scotland is being hounded to death by the DWP http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2012/07/19/fife-man-in-death-protest-over-benefits/

    Learn your rights, and you would all do well to visit our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org, and learn the truth, if we are going to die at least let’s not die in flippen ignorance.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 19, 2012 @ 5:38 pm

  255. Thank god you’re on our side!!!!! I am reading up as much as I can but feel very tired sometimes so do it in shifts! Have a good rest of week. Will come back when I know any more. Thanks again. XXXXX

    Comment by Jen — July 19, 2012 @ 7:27 pm

  256. Hi, I have a home visit assesment on Wednesday, and am very worried. I am lucky that I work, even though i have mobility problems and I use my car to get me to and fro work. Reading the above posts I think i will lose my car and will find it very hard to get to work, as i cannot use buses. I now claim High Mobility allowance and low care allowance.
    I am going to the doctors tonight as I do not know what the examination will involve.

    Comment by Julie — July 26, 2012 @ 12:04 pm

  257. Hello Julie.

    Don’t be surprised if your Doctor doesn’t know what it involves either, if the worst comes to the worst with the ATOS assessment then you can appeal, the local CAB or welfare rights can help and so can we at the sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 26, 2012 @ 12:19 pm

  258. Hi

    I have completed the ESA50 assessment and have been placed in the work related activity group (contribution based). Obviously after 365 days I would no longer be entitled to benefits.

    As I intend to appeal I asked them to send me the ESA 85A. Received this and they stated I have met the criteria for having limited capacility for work, advised that a return to work is unlikely for at least 2 years and medical evidence indicates that I am unlikely to return to work in the longer term.

    I am appealing on the basis of the above that I should be placed in the Work Support Group.

    Do you think I should appeal now are wait until the 365 days have expired. I will be 59 this year.

    I cannot understand, as they agree I am unlikely to be able to return to work in the longer term how they have not put me in the support group – it is a contradition!!!!

    Any thoughts anyone.

    J Howe

    Comment by Anonymous — July 26, 2012 @ 5:50 pm

  259. Hello J.

    That’s a very good question, and puts you in a very difficult situation because you have to make a decision.

    First of all you need to ask yourself, should I be in the support group and have I got some decent written support from my own Doctor that can justify it if I go to appeal ? if the answer is yes, then you need to ask your self the next question, which is, if I don’t appeal now when I believe I’m entitled to it, but only appeal in the future then the appeal panel are going to ask you the obvious question, why didn’t you appeal when you believed you were first entitled to it ?.

    You can see what I mean ? it will look to them as if the only reason you are appealing to get in the support group is because your time has run out rather than because you believe you are really entitled.

    Take all that into consideration, but before you make the decision, can I suggest you contact the CAB or your local welfare rights and ask them first, they may be able to guide you to another alternative.

    But here’s what I can tell you, if you appeal now and win, you will have to appeal again, and again, so appealing nearer the time can only help if you have won previously, but as I said check it out first because the appeal panels are not as impartial as most people think, they do have the power to take away what has already been awarded.

    Seek professional advice then make your decision, just don’t delay, there are time limits for appeals.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 26, 2012 @ 7:31 pm

  260. Can I ask you something? How do I find out what qualifications the medical rep from ATOS has? Do you find this out before or after the visit? Don’t really know where to start. Thank you.

    Comment by Jen — August 1, 2012 @ 6:06 pm

  261. Try the GMC (General medical council website) Jen, but don’t be surprised if it’s not on there, ATOS workers don’t need to have qualifications to assess people in this Country.
    In fact to get a job with ATOS you only need one finger to operate the LIMA system.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 1, 2012 @ 7:15 pm

  262. or

    The Nursing & Midwifery Council @


    if you are “examined” by a nurse

    Comment by Bruce — August 1, 2012 @ 8:15 pm

  263. Presume this is after the ‘examination’? I won’t have the examiner’s name until I have seen them, or will I? Thanks both XX

    Comment by Jen — August 1, 2012 @ 9:20 pm

  264. Correct…they won’t tell you before the examination, they probably don’t even know themselves until the day.
    As in there’s your bundle for the day, carry on with Gods good work and just get on with it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 2, 2012 @ 5:50 am

  265. I was told in a letter on date of medical who my doctor was going to be. And it was the one they said

    Comment by Jean 56 — August 2, 2012 @ 10:33 am

  266. That’s the first time ever that I’ve heard that Jean, if anyone else has been told by ATOS upfront who the assessor is by name then we would like to know.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 2, 2012 @ 12:06 pm

  267. Hi, I’m a bit worried because I’ve just had a call from ATOS for my partner and, thinking they were a firm trying to sell private medical insurance I hung up on them. Will they communicate by letter as well?

    Comment by Anonymous — August 2, 2012 @ 12:44 pm

  268. Hi. Have just had a letter from ATOS turning down my doc’s request for a home visit. They have said they will org a taxi for me for whatever date they rearrange. I have said it doesn’t matter if they send a jumbo jet I still cannot guarantee getting to appointment as I have M.E. and cannot say that I will be well enough to attend, hence the req for home visit. I have phoned my doctor and had fax they sent read out to me and as receptionist said, the letter could not be any stronger asking for a home visit. I made it clear to the ATOS person I have just spoken to that I was not refusing to attend. Just that I needed a home visit. I have asked for it to be recorded as well and gather they do not like doing home, recorded visits! What can I do now to get home visit? If I turn down 2 appts I get my IB stopped and it will not be my fault. Thank you.

    Comment by Jen — August 2, 2012 @ 1:15 pm

  269. hi my esa was stopped on the 20th june, the letter dated the 23rd june said i had 1 month to appeal, i sent my appeal in on time with fit note from dr plus a personal letter from the dr on my health and why i was unable to work.. i also said i would send a letter from the consultant dealing with my case which i eventually got and posted yesterday 1/8..today 2/8 i received a clone of the letter sent to me originally saying my eas as stopped and i have 1 month to appeal, i have just phoned dwp and they say they see no record of my appeal, they are going to get the local job centre to phone me why i dont know all i was told is they might be able to help me..meanwhile i have been without benefit since the 20th june and nearly out of money. any advice would be helpful…

    Comment by derek — August 2, 2012 @ 1:26 pm

  270. Hello Anonymous.

    Yes…they will almost certainly contact him by letter, and demand he attends an examination at one of their centres.
    There is no escape from the clutches of ATOS healthcare.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 2, 2012 @ 1:28 pm

  271. Hello Jen.

    You can contact your MP by letter explain the situation and ask if he/she can help.

    If you can’t attend then you just can’t attend, but if you do decide to get in to their taxi, then make sure you inform them up front that if you fall ill because they have forced you to attend an assessment then they will be held responsible. And also inform them that…According to the European human rights act, forcing someone to do something against their will because of retribution (Loss of benefits) amounts to torture and is a violation of : ARTICLE 3

    No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.


    Make sure you get it across to them that they and they alone will be responsible in the future for any mishaps caused through forced attendance, and you are not refusing to be assessed, but attending here under strong protest and only because you were forced.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 2, 2012 @ 1:48 pm

  272. Don’t worry about putting the phone down to ATOS.

    I’ve even refused to speak to the DWP when they’ve phoned me.

    To be honest, how can you be sure that the person that phones you is from where they say they are?

    They’ll send you an appointment and they’ll be a phone number on the letter that you can ring if it’s not to your liking.

    Comment by Bruce — August 2, 2012 @ 8:18 pm

  273. Thank you. Will keep your reply open for when they call back. Was supposed to be this afternoon but no call. Written letter to my MP, who fortunately is Labour! Didn’t do much to help when he was in government and in the cabinet but he might have a bit more spare time now! Was thinking of sending him a copy of the ATOS questionnaire I filled in and my answers, plus copy of Dr’s fax asking for home visit. What do you think? Waste of time or worth a try? Thank you in advance. Going to bed. Night night.

    Comment by Jen — August 2, 2012 @ 8:35 pm

  274. Jen…Everything that you send to your MP is not a waste of time, Ok it might not help you personally right now, but don’t forget in the future if you have a serious serious serious problem with ATOS or the DWP then all your past correspondence to your MP will rear it’s head and maybe come to your rescue, so there’s nothing to lose by sending a letter, with a copy of your ESA 50 questionnaire and a copy of your DRs letter with an explanation of what is happening.
    It just might help you now, one things for sure though, not contacting your MP will definitely get you nowhere.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 2, 2012 @ 8:47 pm

  275. Hi there, I have been told on two occasions who my Doctor will be coming out to me. It just gives their surname so not very helpful if the doctor has a common surname but so far the doctors that have been allocated have had distinctive names. I think the reason my appointment letters have had the doctors name is because it is a home medical? But I maybe wrong. I haven’t yet had a medical take place.The first got cancelled by them as they told me they couldn’t record it nor could give me proper information regarding why it couldn’t. I will explain this further later.The second was meant to happen at home today but they didn’t show!! Rang atos and they told me they had tried to call me to tell me the doctor was sick!! This never happened. I was informed they couldn’t leave messages due to data protection but I have had voicemails from them before, as recent as two weeks ago.

    I am having problems at present getting them to record my home medical to the point of members of atos being unbelievably hostile with me. Their customer relations department leaves a lot to be desired. I know recordings have been done before but they are telling me the process has changed very recently. Obviously different people from atos are telling me this change is for different reasons! Half of them couldn’t even give me a reason! Few of them said because their machinery isn’t in consistent working order across the UK. But I have asked is this change is official, there should be written clarification of it available for us? But they haven’t got this, so not sure what to do. I am willing to record it without permission, I understand this can only be used for my own benefit, but it annoys me they are trying to fob me off with mis-information, I feel to have someone in my home and not have the security of it recorded puts me in a compromising and uncomfortable position and I have no-one else available to witness the medical.


    Comment by Anonymous — August 3, 2012 @ 6:15 pm

  276. And Jen I have ME too, it was a struggle to say the least to get a home medical but I think the main point with atos is to persist as I think they presume people will give up, which is understandable when we happen to be ill!! I to have days I cannot leave the house and days where getting out is more manageable but those days can never be predicted which is why having an appointment is so hard to stick to. My doctor had to fax a letter in saying I needed a home visit but this had to be done a few times and a few letters and phonecalls from me also

    Comment by Anonymous — August 3, 2012 @ 6:19 pm

  277. re post 276
    Decision should be *position!


    Comment by Sarah — August 3, 2012 @ 6:49 pm

  278. Can you remind me who it was, Chris G or Andrew L, who said we are entitled to a home visit or to be recorded. I’ve got very mixed up with who and in regard to what. I have tried reading the whole of this blog but it is taking me so long – 2.5 days so far. Sorry to be a nuisance. Thank you. X

    Comment by Jen — August 4, 2012 @ 9:50 pm

  279. Hello Jen.

    It was Minister for Employment Chris Grayling who said we are entitled to have our assessment/s recorded.
    Andrew Lansley is the health secretary and is not directly involved with the DWP, of course since he sits in judgement of others and is a fully fledged paid up member of this dreadful Government then he will be at least indirectly involved.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 4, 2012 @ 9:57 pm

  280. Thank you. Tried reading all 278 entries but brain wouldn’t do it. Not had a good week.

    Comment by Jen — August 5, 2012 @ 10:47 am

  281. Hi
    Did you watch Panorama on monday night about medicals with ATOS. I was shocked at some of the stories on it with people failing medicals etc.

    Comment by Anonymous — August 5, 2012 @ 12:02 pm

  282. Take your time, there’s no hurry, last time I checked ATOS were in no hurry to leave..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 5, 2012 @ 2:03 pm

  283. Yes I watched it, and I would have been shocked as well, but since I’ve known all about ATOS healthcares methods for at least three and a half years, I think through time I’ve been desensatised..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 5, 2012 @ 2:06 pm

  284. I have my date for appeal 3rd September. Which is very quick considering it only went to appeal court a few weeks ago. I have an appointment with the CAB tomorrow.The benifits lady will be going through all my paper work etc & hopefully take a lot of stress and pressure of me & help me win this battle.

    Comment by Jean 56 — August 5, 2012 @ 7:59 pm

  285. Good luck there Jean.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 5, 2012 @ 8:05 pm

  286. Thankyou :)

    Comment by Jean 56 — August 5, 2012 @ 8:07 pm

  287. Good luck Jean. Been keeping up with you. Will be thinking of you on the 3/9.

    Comment by Jen — August 9, 2012 @ 6:51 pm

  288. Thankyou Jen.
    The CAB did a lovely medical report for me & sent it to appeal court. Now have a battle with a new doctor as my one has retired. I am having trouble getting a medical report from any doctor because it is for Atos & they for some reason don’t like doing them :( But i have an appointment with new doc on monday his first day lol!! I am going to show him The CAB one then see if he is going to help me. If not the CAB are going to request one, but time is very limited now before my appeal. So now i am getting even more stressed & having more panick attacks. We certainly should not be going through all this. I should have been looking forward to my retirement in october when 60yrs old but now its been put to 2015 i am even more stressed :(

    Comment by Jean 56 — August 10, 2012 @ 11:01 am

  289. Silly question but you know me by now. I’m full of them! Has anyone on this site ever taken the DWP/ATOS to the European Court of Human Rights re Article 3 or the Equality 2010 Act? If so what happened? If not is there any hope of a group of us getting together to make a stand? There are so many people here who are genuinely ill and being put through hoops. We are all made to feel totally helpless and sterile by a load of people who have neither the qualifications or the interest in helping us/sorting wheat from chaff. I’ve still not heard from them after they wrote to me last week saying they had turned down my request for a home visit. They were going to call me back that day after looking at the doc’s fax again!

    Comment by Jen — August 10, 2012 @ 1:42 pm

  290. The last year has been hell for me because of the transition to ESA. I am sorry to hear that many others are in a similar boat. It all started last August when I recieved a form to fill in to be transferred from Incapacity benefit. I had been on this for 9 years since I was released from a lengthy stay in a psyc ward after my first psychotic breakdown. I have not sat on my behind during this time, and have done lots of things to help me return to health, but these things take time.

    To be honest, I was shocked at the questions they were asking. As someone with recurrent mental health problems including psychotic depression, anxiety disorders and seasonal affective disorder, there seemed to be very few questions that related to my issues. I also found the tick box options disturbing- for one question about going out alone to anywhere unfamiliar (which I can’t do) i had to draw another box, mark it ‘no’ and tick it as none of the options applied. I provided the contact details of my GP and consultant psychiatrist.

    Weeks later I recieved an envelope from the job centre that contained 3 copies of a P45 indicating that my IB had stopped. That was all- no covering letter or anything. Panic stricken, I did not know what to do. No communication from DWP has been clear since then! It turned out I had been placed in the WRAG, having had no medical, and my first work-focussed interview was the following week. After contacting my Psychiatrist for an emergency appointment, we (my moter and I, as by this point I was barely functioning at all) discovered that neither she nor my GP had been contacted about my condition.

    So, to be clear about this, a NURSE who I had never met decided I was fit for work related activity without a simple phone call or letter to a CONSULTANT PSYCHIATRIST who was managing my care.

    I went to the work focussed interview armed with a letter from my dr. saying that she had advised me not to attend, panicked in the waiting room and was told by the man in the jobcentre to appeal as I was clearly in the wrong group. How was I meant to do ‘work related activity’ if I couldn’t manage that meeting? I then went to the CAB who wrote my appeal letter for me and were extremely helpful. However, this specific department has since lost it’s funding, so will not be able to help other ESA victims.

    All the stress and change was too much. I had another breakdown. I now need further Psychiatric care (I see a support worker fortnightly), more medication. my mother has been registered as my carer and I now recieve increased DLA. After several confusing communications regarding medical reports etc, it took until feburary this year to hear that I had won my appeal and was in the suport group, and a further 3 months to sort out contribution/income based issues. I was never told about, nor attended a tribunal. Finally I thought it was all sorted and I could focus on improving my health.

    I was wrong. In July, I recieved a new form from Atos. The whole thing was starting again! I have had to pass all dealings with the ESA stuff to my mother, getting the forms sent to her address not mine. The ESA people have since said I need not complete the form until feburary, but I don’t believe a word they say any more so am terrified of my benefits being stopped.

    In the words of the CAB on my appeal letter ” As an example of how not to treat someone with significant mental health problems, this would rank high”.

    Comment by SaRahRah — August 21, 2012 @ 1:16 pm

  291. Dear forum,everyone has my sympathy here….I’ve been there!!! Briefly-i had an assessment done one day before a major operation. Needless to say, i was deemed fit for work scoring 0 points. I wish you all well in the future.

    Comment by Anonymous — August 26, 2012 @ 12:21 am

  292. I have been sent my new appointment date from ATOS, confirming that recording equipment will be there for it. Phoned the equipment centre up and spoke to a very nice guy who said to phone them if I could not make the appointment in town due to my conditions. Said to do this on the day. Got an appointment with my doc 2 days prior to this and going to ask her to resend req for home visit. I have been told to ask her to expand reasons for this request. Is there any point in sending a copy of my questionnaire and GP fax to ATOS head honcho or is there no point? I may or may not be able to get there on 5th. Can’t say. According to someone I know the ATOS medical building is in a very difficult place to get to a no parking outside and my other half will have to leave me and go and get a parking place. Has anyone else had trouble getting in to the Bradford medical centre? Have sent details to my MP but no rerply as yet.

    Comment by Jen — August 27, 2012 @ 2:32 pm

  293. not so sure whether writing to your m.p. will help i sent an email to the prime minister after a couple of weeks i got a letter to say they had sent it to dwp. last week i got a letter from dwp telling me how they was right and it was working fine (the system), meanwhile i my appeal i sent on the 22june as not been decided and i have had one letter to tell me this no other paper work, ..

    Comment by derek — August 27, 2012 @ 5:41 pm

  294. i am so very scared i dont know what to do and i sit here every day scared to open letters as i know even though i had fifteen points at my last dla test i know i wil get 0 points on PIP now as it is impossible to get thorugh and i know that i will fail esa as thatis also impossible itis makign me so ill worrrying abut all this inhumane treatment of peopel who are sick

    Comment by JustAnotherNobody — August 29, 2012 @ 6:53 am

  295. Silly question but you know me by now. I’m full of them! Has anyone on this site ever taken the DWP/ATOS to the European Court of Human Rights re Article 3 or the Equality 2010 Act? If so what happened?

    I would also like to know the answer to the above persons question

    Comment by JustAnotherNobody — August 29, 2012 @ 6:56 am

  296. Have you just started worrying ? your lucky I’ve been worrying for over three years.

    Let me tell you something about the European court of human rights, before anyone can get anywhere near it with a complaint you first have to exhaust every single domestic procedure first, what does that mean ? well suppose the ATOS DR composed a bent report concerning your health (Would be surprised if they didn’t write a bent report) and passed it on to the DWP, obviously you are not going to be happy about it and say for talking sake you complain to the General medical council (GMC) they will send you a letter back saying ”We are sorry your assessment was a dreadful experience, have you complained to ATOS management, here is their address etc.
    So you complain to ATOS management, and they send you a letter back saying ” We are sorry your assessment didn’t live up to your expectations, we at ATOS healthcare strive to give quality assessments on behalf of the Department of work and pensions, if you are not happy please contact Ms Twat at the Independent complaints executive” and then they (ICE) send you a letter back saying, we don’t see what it’s got to do with us, please contact your Member of Parliament, and he/she sends you back a letter saying ”I have contacted ATOS on your behalf and they have assured me that your assessment was fair, and the only reason you are complaining is because you are a troublemaker and well known for sending them vexatious letters of complaint, as far as they are concerned the matter has been dealt with by the GMC etc”.
    And so you go and see the welfare rights or CAB, and they send a letter to ATOS on your behalf and three months later you receive another letter via welfare rights saying ”We have already written to MR such and such and explained we are etc, so you send another letter to the European court of human rights and they send you a letter saying that all domestic complaints have to be completely exhausted before they can consider your complaint, have you informed your Prime minister etc.

    Now by this time, you are an old man/woman and really can’t be f****d anymore, SO NOW CAN YOU SEE WHY TONY BLAIR SIGNED THE EUROPEAN COURT of HUMAN RIGHTS ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 29, 2012 @ 8:15 am

  297. Bugger!!!! Got quite excited after comment 272!

    Comment by Jen — August 29, 2012 @ 1:14 pm

  298. The threat is stronger than the execution Jen. (Aron Nimzowitch)

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 29, 2012 @ 1:34 pm

  299. Very philosophical!!! I like it! Going to threaten them with Article 3 and the Equality Act 2010. Just got to be in contact with them to do it, which is a shame. Been told if I am not well enough to go to them next week, not to. That will be my 1st non show. Did anyone see the placards in Sheffield against ATOS? Their reply that they show as much compassion per individual case was laughable – in a hysterical sort of way. Absolute b******s!

    Comment by Jen — August 29, 2012 @ 3:00 pm

  300. Talk about a battle to get things done. My GP told me he never does medical reports for any tribunals as we don’t win them. Silly thing to say as you think they know all there is to know about your medical history. Well the tribunal court sent him a form asking for my medical history. I got a copy back from the court. My GP did not put anything down apart from athritis & i could go on a bus to the court. I was fuming when i found out he left the surgery a week later. I went straight to the medical centre clinical manager & complained. 3 days later i got a medical report from my new GP outlining all my mobility problems etc. Was i happy. yes!!!! Thats been sent off to the court with a statement from my daughter who was present at my home medical from Atos. She has corrected all the lies that he put and lack of important information he didnt put. The CAB have also sent them a statement.
    My medical is on monday so now i am scared witless & not getting any sleep.Think by the time monday arrives i won’t be fit for anything.

    Comment by Jean 56 — August 29, 2012 @ 3:02 pm

  301. Good work Jean…let us know how you got on..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 29, 2012 @ 3:42 pm

  302. Yes I seen that on the forum, ATOS really are delusional, it’s a wonder any of them are fit for work.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 29, 2012 @ 3:44 pm

  303. Thankyou & will certainly let you know how i get on. Thanks for your support through all this.

    Comment by Jean 56 — August 29, 2012 @ 3:46 pm

  304. Dont give up Jean, just before I went into the tribunal last week I was informed-much to my horror that my GP had not sent in a report I was really worried that I would not have enough evidence but to my surprise I won after telling the judge and doctor about my medical conditions so make sure you see it through.

    Comment by Jinxy — August 29, 2012 @ 10:26 pm

  305. Thanks Jinxy that has given me some hope. But suppose it depends on who the panel are. I have been to one before years ago, i lost my case even though i had untold medical evidence. So as you can imagine i am worried about monday :(

    Comment by Jean 56 — August 30, 2012 @ 10:50 am

  306. I was lucky as my panel were really nice, not like the horrible Atos doctor who said I was fit to work and wrote untrue things about me therefore I scored 0 points. Good luck Jean hope it goes well xx

    Comment by Jinxy — August 30, 2012 @ 6:14 pm

  307. Hi everyone,I have been a member here and read with interest all posts if I can,Well any way I had a home visit by a so called Doctor from Atos as you all say she was nice but when I got the copy of the report my sister was able to list 9 pages of which were untruths and a lot was just lies.I was so mad I reported her to the GMC and Atos well it has taken to last week for a Doctor and a rep from MSS to come out and go over all that happened back in March ( Thank God my sis was present ) on both occasions.

    I just thought I would tell you all about this and it has given me a new lease of life to fight for my rights I do get tired and exhausted for days after some things but by God it is worth it,I now do not care if they now have me flagged as a trouble maker or whatever but no one ever ever is going to treat me in this way,I did not ask for a lorry to fall on me at work 15yrs ago and make me unfit to work disability calmed me I did not ask for it.
    This is written in the hope anyone who reads it will fight no matter how down you are .
    Well this is all for now I wish you all Good Luck//////////

    Comment by williej — August 30, 2012 @ 9:40 pm

  308. Hello Williej.

    Don’t worry about being flagged as a troublemaker, in the past year ATOS and the DWP have had to contend with thousands upon thousands of so called troublemakers.
    And don’t worry about fighting either because we have been doing it for three years, in fact over three years, we aint going to give up until ATOS are finished, by the way our forum members are fighting these people every single day.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 30, 2012 @ 10:10 pm

  309. If they stop your benefit while you appeal, what is the benefit you can claim while waiting for appeal to go through? I am sure I have read it on this site somewhere but can’t find it. Sorry!

    Comment by Jen — August 30, 2012 @ 10:30 pm

  310. Hello Jen.

    The benefit you get while waiting for the appeal to be heard is called the assessment rate Jen, it’s ESA without the so called work component.
    For a single person over the age of 25 the rate is £71 as you can see it’s the same as Job seekers allowance and is basically the same deal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 31, 2012 @ 4:29 am

  311. Anyone knows what happens to me? My ESA was stopped in June as the DWP,informed me I was only entitled to it for 365 days and Atos deemed me fit for work but I won my appeal last week do I get any more money as Ive not got any money coming in and was told my partner has to keep me because he works!

    Comment by Jinxy — August 31, 2012 @ 8:10 am

  312. Thank you.XX

    Comment by Jen — August 31, 2012 @ 9:40 am

  313. Jinxy..When you won your appeal did they put you in the support group or the work related activity group ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 31, 2012 @ 11:53 am

  314. Just read about Cecilia Burns. So sad. ATOS should be ashamed of themselves. R.I.P.Cecilia.XXX

    Comment by Jen — August 31, 2012 @ 2:48 pm

  315. So sad to read of the death of Cecilia Burns but this is what we are going to see more and more of.Do you hear the government saying how wrong they were to employ ATOS No you do not because it is about money not at all about health they do not give a fiddlers f..k about any of us Anger has got the better of me now.

    Comment by williej — August 31, 2012 @ 3:31 pm

  316. Ditto williej.But so little we can do individually. Governments can only see £ signs, not real people with real problems. I know there are those out there who are not truly ill and they are making our genuine cases all the harder to win as we are all lumped into the same pot. I’ve my own battle to start fighting in next few weeks with my ATOS medical. But I will be thinking of you all this weekend as the prob never goes away. The stress alone for us all is ridiculous and enough to make us worse. Jean- try and relax this weekend. I know that is difficult and I have never met you but at the mo you are never far from my thoughts. I’m back in bed with stress of it all. My legs have stopped working properly and I’ve fallen a few times. However it’s you uppermost in my mind at mo. My probs are after yours, so one step at a time. Thinking of you petal. XXXXX

    Comment by Jen — August 31, 2012 @ 3:47 pm

  317. Thanks for your kind words Jen. I am trying to be positive & not worry, But now i have a bad chest infection and on steroids & antibiotics which is all i need now with monday tribunal dooming on me. I do hope everything calms down for you lovely lady. My thoughts are with you to xxx

    Comment by Anonymous — August 31, 2012 @ 11:11 pm

  318. Thank you Jean (hope this is Jean. You are anon at the mo!!!) We must be catching the same bugs! I have just started my 10th lot of steroids since Nov 2011. Had 9 lots of antibiotics, but nothing is working. Have chronic bronchitis (since May 2008) and diabetes, as well as everything else! My blood sugar is through the roof with all the steroids. My brother died 2 years ago aged 48 of a heart attack caused by too many steroids so hope they get this bug sorted soon. Been told to stay in bed and save my lungs – easier said than done. Going to sleep now. Take care and try and sleep well. The person advising us all is good. But we all feel very alone sometimes, don’t we? If it wasn’t for the likes of you, williej and the advisor I think I’d go mad. My poor other half is very worried about me nowady but he has his own probs. Might be being made redundant. When the shit hits the fan it really hits it! Night night. XXX

    Comment by Jen — August 31, 2012 @ 11:23 pm

  319. Hi, Just found this site :-) My Wife has just been invited for an assessment, and of course is now not sleeping worried sick etc,, now if she gets marked as fit for work, albeit not sure how they can do that, does she lose DLA too? she is ong term poorly, having fractured her back in 1975, suffered curvature if the spine, had a spinal fusion, pulmonary embolism 15 years ago, lost our 25 year old son 6 years ago. leaving us both de[ressed as you can imagine, suffers a balance problem, that can make her fall over and a couple of other things! Now most know she can’t work, but she is scared ATOS will say she is ‘fit’ and of course now we have the added worty of this looming, based on press and tv reports !

    Comment by Steve Williams — September 1, 2012 @ 8:06 am

  320. Yes its me Jean i didnt realise i was anonymous. You poor thing not having a good time of it plus all the extra worry with this cleansing of the sick & disabled. I hope your other half isn’t made redundant thats all you need on top of everything else.The advisor is certainly been helping me through all this as he does for so many others. Its nice that we can share our problems on here and vent our frustrations.To many steroids is not good.Thats an awful lot you have had to take. So sorry for the loss of your brother that is no age is it 48 how sad. No wonder you are scared taking to many steroids :( I do hope you are had a good nights sleep and feeling better soon.I just took 9 tablets so feeling a bit whoozy at moment & still in bed at 9.30am.I am always here as the advisor and others are, if you need to chat you are not on your own. xxx

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — September 1, 2012 @ 8:28 am

  321. Just an amusing anecdote AOL says David Blunkett was denied entry to opening ceremony of parolympics. Why? Because he took his guide dog and no animals are allowed in the stadium! Someone has written a comment underneath – ‘Who was on the gate – ATOS?’!!!!!!The uprising is starting to get vocal and out there! XXXXXX

    Comment by Jen — September 1, 2012 @ 4:02 pm

  322. have you noticed atos name spread around the stadium

    Comment by derek — September 1, 2012 @ 4:10 pm

  323. Yes. They are sponsering the games!!!!! You can guess the comments on line about that!!! The comment I ref to – think writer was being cynical! They are trying to get paralympians to come out against ATOS while they are there. Sit ins etc. Poss too little too late but it is a public start.

    Comment by Jen — September 1, 2012 @ 4:28 pm

  324. Hi Steve Williams. I thought i would comment on your post I had an assessment few years ago & i was then found fit for work & had to go on enemployment benefit. In there report after i went to the tribunal they put ” Cannot understand how i was getting DLA”. thankfully i never lost my DLA as they had previously found me genuine and entitled to high mobilty & low carer’s after a full medical. So your wife should not worry about losing it. But would like to add i heard that all on DLA are going to be pulled in for a medical eventually & most likely done by ATOS (but hope not as they are are useless and unfair) Now i have had another assessment and put on work related activity group. I have another tribunal on monday so here we go again.Wishing your wife luck with her assessment. And i am sad that she has to go through this after all thats happened with her health & losing your son.

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — September 1, 2012 @ 9:14 pm

  325. I dont rwally kniw which group i was put in as it was all rushed at the end my Welfare rights person sorted it out so I presume he willl get back to me and let me know. Whats the difference all this is new to me as i have worked for 40 yearscnon stop and never claimed a penny.

    Comment by Jinxy — September 1, 2012 @ 9:23 pm

  326. Hello Jinxy.

    You won your appeal and what happens next depends on whether you were put in to the WRAG or the Support group, if the appeal panel put you in to the Support group of ESA then your ESA does not expire after 365 days but continues on until at least the next fixed/farce assessment by ATOS.
    If the panel placed you in the Work related group of ESA then you are in the same position as before, you get nothing. Even though you may have won an appeal and be entitled to Employment and support allowance, if you are on Contributory, as you are, and it is the WRAG version then as I said you are entitled to nothing…I agree, it’s absolutely shocking.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 2, 2012 @ 2:26 am

  327. Hi Jean. Just a quick good luck for tomorrow. Will be thinking of you petal. Love JenXXXXXX

    Comment by Jen — September 2, 2012 @ 9:13 pm

  328. Hi Jen. Thanks so much them kind words. It mean a lot to me. Love
    Jean xxxx

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — September 3, 2012 @ 2:48 am

  329. hi all, i came to the site when looking for help too, and have seen what others have (haveing) gone though.
    on friday i got a letting asking me to contact them with a contact number as thay didnt have 1 (my number has been the same since the phone was put in about 20 years ago and thayve used it before), in the letter it stated i had 7 days to contact them, at reading it sent me into a panick as the letter was posted on the 23rd, i waited nearly 20mins to give them the number and was told someone would ring me next week sometime.
    since friday i havent been able to sleep, with it been on my mind and worryed what will happen, if i lose my benift well loose the house (i live with my partner and 2 sons, the home i had to fight for to stay in when my mother died as thay tryed to say i had no rights for sucsession, thankfuly i got a letter from my doctor which let us stay) feel sick to the stomic and carnt keep food down (also i now have dam flu), i feel depressed and this waiting is makeing it worse.
    i suffer from agraphobia and have for a long time, i try daily to go (alone) to the local shop which is at the top of the steet were i live(has to be quiet times as been stuck in a que or if there is groups there sets me to panic, thankfuly the shop know if i do leave in a hurry, someone would pick up my items later), when i go to my doctors my partner and son need to go with me, my doctors is at the very limit were i can travel too, without going into a full blown attack, (this walk would take 5 mins at a steady pace, i cannot travel in a car, or bus due to this dam problem), at the moment i feel so dam useless and wish i was in a bloody box sorry for the rant but any help would be of help or advice would help

    Comment by Anonymous — September 3, 2012 @ 3:59 pm

  330. Hi. I went to my tribunal today. There was only a judge (to make sure all was legal as they explained) And a doctor. So i could cope with just 2 people present. The doctor was very thorough but he was more interested in the car accident i had that has left me with all my problems. It was awful reliving it all again & my district nursing job i was medically retired from. I did get upset. He only then asked about do i drive. How many grandchildren i have & their ages. Do they visit me or do i go and see them.Do i go out socially when on medical report it states i do not do & lost many of my friends Only medical subject he asked was how i am coping after 2 operations on both feet at one time. How did i get about, and how long before i could walk after both my ops.Who cooks & cleans. They told my daughter that she would get a chance to speak at the end. When they finished with my daughter said can i put my mums case to you now. They said no need to do that, as she did a very thorough statement and they had all they wanted and been through it all. Well whole thing took 7 minutes and not the usual half hour. Could this be a good thing or not ? But now its all over perhaps a decent night sleep tonight. And just wait for the result.

    Comment by Jean 56 — September 3, 2012 @ 8:22 pm

  331. Well done Jean. At least it’s all over now. Been worried about you today. Have a good night’s sleep for once – nothing you can do now. I went back to doc today and asked her to redo fax to ATOS asking them to visit me at home. None of us holding our breath. Doc didn’t charge me for 2nd report, She dislikes the whole system. Can only try and do our best. Well done again, flower. Sleep well. Off to bed myself now. Night night. XXX

    Comment by Jen — September 3, 2012 @ 8:59 pm

  332. Hello Anonymous.

    You say you got a letter asking to contact them, can you tell us who THEM are please ? do you mean the DWP or ATOS ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 3, 2012 @ 9:17 pm

  333. hi it was from jobcenter plus for to ‘assess you for employment and support allowance’ sorry i forgot to say who (mind is a total mess )

    Comment by Anonymous — September 3, 2012 @ 9:26 pm

  334. Thanks Jen. I will be off to bed soon hopefully to sleep like a baby lol!!! I hope you get a result with the home visit. My Doctor refused to do me a medical report. He said that it got you no where so dont bother with it.Within a week he left the surgery so i had a new doctor.Just before he resigned though Atos sent him a form for him to put all my medical problems etc. He put nothing on the form only ticked i could get to tribunal in taxi or bus. I was fuming coz i do not go out on my own so would not get in a taxi and i am not allowed on public transport because of falls. I went to see practise manager and she got one done by my new doc. It was a great medical report & he did’n’t charge for it because i had complained.. I had to have a home visit coz i just had 2 ops on both feet & was not allowed out. Surprisingly enough they accepted it after my doc faxed them So hopefully your doc will send a good fax to them asking for one for you :) Let me know how you get on lovely lady. Have a good night sleep xxx

    Comment by Jean 56 — September 3, 2012 @ 10:12 pm

  335. Hello,I suppose you will need to face it and contact them, there’s no way round it, if they send you to ATOS to be assessed and the worst comes to the worst then you will have to appeal, you will get some benefits when you appeal, so it isn’t all doom and gloom, you can go here http://www.dwpexamination.org to the forum when you feel a little better and they will help you step by step to make it easier for you..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 3, 2012 @ 10:45 pm

  336. hi and thanks, i still havent had the phone call, to be honist i dont know what the phone call is for , will it be this test/ questionaire ? (i did tell them my phone number on the friday though, i didnt have a chose, even if it took all day i had to wait on hold, its part of my problem).
    last night i did have quite a rough night, this morning i had to contact the doctor for help.
    i explained the problems i had and the affect it was haveing, ive had to have meds incresed (this i didnt want, but guess it will be for the best), he also said he would right a report when needed for me too.
    many thanks for the link, i join the site last night but for some reason it keeps frezzeing when the chat box pops up ?

    Comment by Anonymous — September 4, 2012 @ 9:03 pm

  337. Mmm…Don’t know why the chat box keeps freezing. Anyway, you will find out what they want when you talk to them, they usually send an ESA 50 questionnaire if you are to be assessed.
    Everyone will be assessed sooner or later, I’ve been assessed five times so far, and doesn’t look as if there’s any end in sight if I keep getting ESA. The only other way out that I can see is if I die..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 4, 2012 @ 10:30 pm

  338. Hi I was wondering what you would do in this situation.
    I had an appointment to attend a mandatory work programme today.I phoned last friday explaining that i was feeling unwell because getting worked up about my trbunal case this monday. The lady said i had to attend because she wanted to meet me face to face.And if i did not attend my ESA would be stopped for 2 weeks. I started to feel poorly last night & today when i got up i was having awful dizzy spells, feeling sick & generally feeling very ill. I went to the interview with a member of my family. He practically carried me in as the dizziness was so bad, I was crying when had to go up in the lift. On arriving i was told they had no appointment for me. I was so upset. They found the lady eventually who was to interview me. When i got up to go to her desk i nearly collapsed everyone was staring at me, i was crying confused & scared. A receptionist took care of me held me to get into a chair got me a glass of water. The stupid lady went on with the interview regardless of how ill i was. I went through this interview for about twenty minutes. She then said what type of job do i think i could do. I told her the state i was in now. how could i think about that as i just wanted to go home to bed & die. After interview i was told by 3 independent workers that this could have been done over the phone. The whole thing was disgusting & no proper way to treat someone that was ill. She should have sent me straight home.On the way out in the corridor i had another bad wave of dizziness it took two people to hold me up to get me down stairs. I had emergency doctor when i got home. I have been diagnosed with Vertigo. stressed & exhausted from lack of sleep. I have the usual pills to stop dizziness.I am on complete bed rest not to get stressed. got to have blood tests as soon as i am able to get to surgery. My daughter is typing this for me while i dictate. My whole family are disgusted over all this & feel that i should put a formal complaint in. But to whom do i do this with. Any help be great.

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — September 5, 2012 @ 8:18 pm

  339. Oh Jean. I was so sorry to read this. They have no awareness of the word dignity. I’d have gone home but don’t know if that would have been the right thing to do. Our knowlegeable expert will be on to help you soon, I have no doubt, and thank goodness for him/her. Please settle down tonight and if you need to get doc out again, call them, please petal. I’m worried about you. I had to cancel my first interview at ATOS building today in Bradford. Felt very ill after being kept waiting for 1.5 hours at doc’s on Monday.My legs gave up working and could not get to loo. Doc has faxed another req for home visit, but won’t prob get one even tho’ I can’t get to them. Got mail from MP last night saying they were looking in to it for me but don’t expect any result from him either. Just felt better sendng it all to him!!. In bed and hope you are too. Shame I can’t e mail you but I’ll keep in touch via here. Lots of love and hugs. JenXXXX

    Comment by Jen — September 5, 2012 @ 8:30 pm

  340. aww!!! thanks Jen
    I am still very tearful. You would not treat a rabid dog like this. I just cannot get my head round it all. Anyone with common sense should have refused to interview me & sent me home. But i would have had my ESA stopped, as threatened so i was so scared. Never in all my nearly 60yrs of life have i been treated like this :(
    I hope you are feeling much better soon Jen. I really hope you get the home visit you deserve.Have a good night sleep.Love caring Jean xxx

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — September 5, 2012 @ 8:56 pm

  341. Hello Jean.

    The reason why the DWP do this is because they can, the woman who kept interviewing you was told do it or else they will be carpeted, they have also been instructed to do all this by their bosses, the message is ”WE DON’T DO SYMPATHY” and they have the full backing of the Government.

    There are some things you can do, not much I can tell you, but here goes, first of all you need to make a complaint in writing to the DWP office who deals with your claim, and don’t spare the horses either, politely give it to them straight, mention on there that someone in their office will have to take responsibility if anything happens to you, and also mention because of their coercion your health has got worse etc and it was a dreadful experience etc, make sure you get it across to them that someone there will take responsibility and not someone in the Government, and also write a letter of complaint to your MP with a copy of that letter attached.
    Make sure you let your GP know about this, because if your GP doesn’t know and is kept in the dark, he/she won’t have a clue what the DWP are talking about if they just happen to ask on your health out of the blue, (The DWP are notorious for only telling part of the story, in other words they only tell what suits them and if that means holding back vital information then that’s what they will do, if challenged at any time in the future their excuse is Oh there must have been a mistake sorry).

    Sometimes the DWP write to you demanding some kind of proof from your GP on your health that inhibits you from participating in work focused interviews, and if you have already discussed that awful experience with your Doctor then getting a fax sent over is much easier to arrange, if it’s a problem getting to the GP surgery then a full letter of explanation will help.

    It’s important that you let your MP know as well, attaching the letter you sent to the DWP is also a good idea, again you need to co-ordinate everything at the same time, the DWP have a duty to reply to any local member of parliament who asks them for information, and they have to do it in a certain time, they can’t ignore MP’s, if they try that they are for it, so a good explanation there will help as well.

    Now you may think, well what’s the point, nothing will happen, who cares etc…WRONG, after you have sent all those letters and something does (God forbid) happen to you they can never ever turn round and say well we didn’t know about it, no one told me/us, you see what I’m saying ? there are far to many people not complaining and that is just making things worse, it gives the DWP the extra incentive to mess you and everyone else around, don’t be a pushover, complain and make them understand there will be drastic consequences if anything happens to you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 6, 2012 @ 6:49 am

  342. Thanks for your response. My GP now knows what happened. He said straight away that he remembered me going to my tribunal hearing on monday He was the one that did my medical report 2 weeks ago.He said that the tribunal hearing and interview yesterday has contributed to my illness through stress. As soon as i am able to get out of my bed & feeling much better i will write the appropriate letters. Thankyou so much for your help.

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — September 6, 2012 @ 10:02 am

  343. Hi again. I have just received a letter from the tribunal court. They have passed me for ESA support group. Yay!!! am a happy bunny. But only for a few seconds because it went on to say they recommend that i be reassessed WITHIN 3 months. So now i have got to go through all the nightmare again. I do not think i can cope again. This last 5 months has worsened my health through so much stress.Just what the hell is going on. …Do they not care, have they no compassion at all. No obviously they have not. I wished to god i had trained in politics coz then with all the money & benefits you get i would not have to go through this. I am contacting my advisor at the CAB tomorrow to complain about my treatment yesterday and result of my appeal.

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — September 6, 2012 @ 12:20 pm

  344. Hello Jean…You may have to go through it again, but you will win again, and just keep winning until they get the message that you are not going to give up.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 6, 2012 @ 4:51 pm

  345. dwpexamination is spot on Jean. Good advice coming from that there person. So congrats to you.

    I think I upset ATOS today!!! They put the phone down on me instead of the other way round. Rang the local exam centre to find out what access is like as they may not allow me home visit. They said it is on the ground floor with ramp up to entrance. However it is in a pedestrianised area so my other half has to drop me 60 metres+ from door and then leave me to go and park the car. If my appt is before 10.30 a.m. there are bollards which are still down so can get me to door, but as I need a p.m. appt that’s out. I said could not walk 60 metres to door so they said they could help me get there and would do something to make sure I could get in door.

    I rang off and then had one of those light bulb moments. I rang her back and asked her to confirm that they could do things with the bollards after 10.30 in my case if nec and she said yes. I then said that if and when they assessed me fit for work as they were doing on a nationwide basis, even tho’ I was not deemed fit to work by consultants, GPs, mental health workers etc could she confirm that the companies I was expected to work for would also go to all this trouble for me alone so I could get in to their buildings? Her reply – ‘I think I shall terminate this call!’ Surprise surprise.

    Sorry, dwpexamination. I know you’ll tell me I shouldn’t rile the buggers but I did have a point, hence her ringing off. Fed up with it all now. Trying to think of something I can do from home that will bring in same money as IB but can be done in my time when I feel well. Can’t think of anything and feel I am letting myself down by feeling whacked by the whole experience so far.

    Comment by Jen — September 6, 2012 @ 6:10 pm

  346. Thankyou i do hope you are right.That i will pass again. Is just all the stress & agro that goes with it all.But with great back up from my family i know i will be.
    Jen good for you love it that you riled them up lol!! I cannot understand why they are refusing you a home visit under the circumstances with your health & not being able to walk far
    They are just so callious & brutal
    You mentioned work. The advisor asked me what type of work do i think i could , even though at the time i was so ill i actually laughedin her face and said what do you think. I have carers come in every day the cook clean & help with personal hygiene.I am not allowed to use the cooker & have to fill the kettle with just enough water to make a brew as i have burnt myself so many times. I told her i have a lot of falls & so far split my head open when went crasing into the corner of a brick wall. Fell on my left arm & fractured it just above the elbow. Had a bad fall recently and very nearly broke my other arm. I have continous bruises due to going into doors etc. I told her that no matter who employed me would they be responsible for my injuries as i would have to sue them as i would be on their premises. She actually went silent refused to answer me but just stared at me. That did make me feel a slight bit better with satisfaction.Do they really feel that we are all idiots. By thwe way i am taking the behaviour i got yesterday further.I have been told by several people today that what happened is illegal under some act or other. (I no nothing about the law) but some act of discrimination was mentioned with lots of numbers :) So here goes with a lovely battle against ATOS The ceetec department that i was placed on for work activity.
    Good luck Jen will be with you all the way xxx

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — September 6, 2012 @ 7:22 pm

  347. Am trying to see if there is anything I can do from home in my own time, in my own way. My other half fills the kettle for me or makes me up a flask when he goes to work, Makes me some meals etc. As a diabetic this is relly playing pot with my sugar levels. I can’t reach up to cupboards and like you have scalded myself lifting hot appliances. Got some wonderful cut marks on my arms and hands where I have cut myself when dropping mugs and glasses. Can’t dress myself as I have 2 frozen shoulders they have tried to fix and said only an op may cure (only gave me a 50/50 success rate, so holding off on those for now).

    Can’t see any employer taking me on if I list my illnesses, just like you. Have been told if ATOS and DWP push things I can go to a solicitor under the Equality Act 2010 as M.E. is covered under it. Just getting so tired with having to fight for something I know I have a right to claim for, having worked and paid taxes and N.I. since I graduated from uni. Not a scrounger, always lived here etc etc.

    Someone has suggested I could write for a living and put my degree to use. Could do that in times in week I feel ok – there aren’t many times in week I feel that good but there must be something I can do from home if it just gets you away from the merrygoround that is ATOS. The stress they give you, along with the DWP is ridiculous and complaining after the event is good but still knocks you out for days on end. I don’t know how many more days of my life I am willing to spend fighting the ATOS machine.

    If you are reading this dwpex, thank you for your help and advice so far. It has been sound and to the point. Wish there were more like you. You’ve certainly helped Jean and me. XX

    Comment by Jen — September 6, 2012 @ 7:37 pm

  348. Good luck with the writing Jen.

    Meanwhile we at DWPEXAMINATION are trying our best to help anyone who asks, it’s an absolute scandal, we can’t do much, but between us and the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org we are giving these bastards (ATOS/DWP) a run for their money.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 6, 2012 @ 8:45 pm

  349. aw!!! Jen your having a rough time.You do get to the stage when you want to give up on it all. But we musn’t do that or they would have won. Something has got to break soon as this cannot go on. Its so sad that the sick & disabled are being persecuted because we are not fit to work. I WANT to work i have never been a sponger, when on benefits i have never commited fraud. We hear so many of these cases and its them that are making the innocent suffer.Do they really think that i want to be like this along with getting on in age & health going down hill. When i had my car accident things were so different. I had a proper medical by a trained doctor.A nurse was present throughout. You was really put through the mill then. But it never bothered me as i was not faking my disibility so had nothing to hide.We did not have to pay a fortune for medical reports from our doctors.Mine charge £80. It was a far more fairer system. Now look what we have got. I don’t need to repeat it as we all know.Apart from now the only time i had trouble was when this goverment were in power so basically it says it all.

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — September 6, 2012 @ 9:54 pm

  350. Thanks dwpexamination and Jean. I am not giving up; just trying to stop feeling as if my entire life is being spent fretting at ATOS and DWP. I thoroughly love this site because you get good advice, can have a rant but more importantly, can meet people, be it only on line, who help you to realise you are not the only person going through this crap! I have worked all my life since graduating. I got M.E. in 2005 and worked through it where poss, obv with time off here and there, until it got too much in 2008. Now I have a list of probs, like you Jean have never com fraud with benefits and lead a very narrow lifestyle now, compared to a few years ago. I absolutely hate injustice and see us all on this site as easy touches for ATOS. The real people they should be going after are nowhere in sight. Why not start with those on unemployment benefits, who have never worked, don’t want to work etc. Why not stop sending aid to countries who no longer need it? There are so many whys? and not enough action on these fronts.

    I had a very long examination in 2009 with a consultant at Leeds Gen Inf. He produced a 26 page report confirming that it was M.E. My company needed it before they would allow me to take early retirement. I never wanted to retire at 51. I loved my job and the people I worked with. Now I spend my time fighting incontinence, memory loss, aching limbs and muscles, fatigue, headaches. Not quite how I saw my life turning out. I fall up and down stairs because my legs stop working on a whim. Hence the request for a home visit. ATOS have been told of all these things via the returned questionnaire and my doc’s faxes asking for a home visit. This is why I get so fed up with what looks like unnecessary fighting for your rights. I’m already fatigued, then you have to keep fighting these idiots. We are all fighting but it seems to be on an individual basis. If only we could all get a legal case up and running it might get somewhere, but while we are all individuals, I can’t see an end to it all and that is a very depressing outlook.

    Stand by your computer dwpexam. There are loads of people who need you. I hope it doesn’t get too much for you, although at the mo the needs are trickling in at a copable rate. I shall need your help again soon when they send the next refusal for a medical at home. Think that’s my biggest bug bear sometimes. I used to be the one people would come to for help and advice. Now it’s a complete about turn! Great!!!

    Night night all. Night night JeanXXXXX

    Comment by Jen — September 6, 2012 @ 10:36 pm

  351. Just a quick update. Got a letter postmarked House of Commons this morning. Opened it to find 1st paragraph pointing out that anyone on IB should be prepared to go to a medical for ESA but….now the good bit! Gerry Sutcliffe, my MP, then said ‘however I have written to Jobcentre Plus in Bradford supportingyour request for a home visit.’ Only a small step forward but something I wasn’t expecting. So thank you dwpexamination for your advice to contact MP.

    Comment by Jen — September 8, 2012 @ 1:14 pm

  352. Gerry ? oh that’s all right, as long as it’s not Peter…LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 8, 2012 @ 2:31 pm

  353. Idiot! But I love you! LOL!! Glad to see you’ve a good sense of humour. I’d imagined it had been knocked out of you by all the entries on this site. Gerry…..Peter….hope I sent it to the right one! XXXX

    Comment by Jen — September 8, 2012 @ 5:57 pm

  354. That did make me giggle with the Gerry & Peter comment by our very own lovely dwpex. Jen So glad that you are being requested for a home visit.Bit of a relief for you.Its nice when we hear some good news as its always doom & gloom with everything that is going on. I have ad a lovely letter typed up on what happened at my mandatory interview with ceetec.I have also left a message for my CAB advisor to contact me urgently so she can sort out all legal stuff with me on how i stand with my complaint. Also i want to know why after such a battle to then pass for support group, i have to have another assessment within 3 months. I thought pressure was put on the goverment to stop this. And the health minister agreed that a longer time limit should be implicated between medical assessments.So how come it has not done. Just all verbal dribble then to shut us up. My family are gobsmacked that i have to go through all this again i such a short space of time and now fear for my health. asi have had two strokes already. Understandable that they are worried. I know that i should be chilling out & enjoying my 3 months of peace & quiet but i am already on edge worrying about filling in forms, medical assessment. etc.My son-in-law cheered me by saying 3 months is going to fly past as its nearer to christmas. No present for him now lol!!

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — September 8, 2012 @ 10:12 pm

  355. Jean and Jen, the people in this Country haven’t got a clue have they ? they don’t realise what’s going on, they are totally clueless to the fact that ATOS and the DWP are actually criminal organisations, lent a little bit of credibility because they are backed by the Government, now we know why the Germans were fooled by Hitler and Goebbels all the way until it was to late, people don’t realise something similar is happening now .
    It’s hard to believe but true.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 9, 2012 @ 3:03 am

  356. Spot on dwpex! Any chance of you standing for government…PM……Lord Mayor….Chief Aggro Sorter Outerer!!! Have a good Sunday everyone. By the way, do you ever sleep DWP? 3:03 am? I’m awake then but I’ve got an excuse!!!! Hi jean. Bye Jean.XXX

    Comment by Jen — September 9, 2012 @ 12:30 pm

  357. Yes..I would love full dictatorial powers, at a big oak desk like DR Goebbels, sitting there day and night as judge jury and executioner, carrying out gods good work.

    Iain Duncan Smith, you have been brought here under restraint after trying to flee the justice of the peoples court, I have looked at the evidence of all your crimes (Not that looking at them would make any difference), and I have long come to the conclusion that you are an enemy of the people, as well as a lying piece of scum.

    I hereby sentence you to a term of imprisonment for 50 years without parole in broadmoor sharing a cell with Peter Sutcliffe, guards take him away.
    Who’s next ? Cameron…excellent, bring him to me. LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 9, 2012 @ 12:57 pm

  358. Good God! I’ve unleashed someone after my own heart. You are forgiven for being nasty to me about my driving earlier in blog!!! I’m safe and after a quick cry from your rant at me, pulled myself together. Labour needs punishing as they are part of this nightmare!! Let me know where you are standing and when and we’ll all move there for long enough to vote you in!!! LOL XXXX

    Comment by Jen — September 9, 2012 @ 2:27 pm

  359. Hi
    I have spoke to the CAB and they advised me to write to my local Labour MP about my result from the tribunal & why i have to be reassessed within 3 months. Also telling them what happened when i went to the ceetec interview when i was taken ill. Only problem is i don’t know who to write to. The tories are in where i live. My local counilors are indepentent & lib dems. And i live in a small town so i know these people very well so would not be easy about discussing my personal business with them. Could you please advise who i can contact please.

    Comment by Jean 56 — September 10, 2012 @ 7:11 pm

  360. Hello Jean.

    Google in to your computer and find out the surgery address of your local Labour MP and who it is, and then send a letter or e-mail and explain the situation, you don’t need to explain all your health details, just enough to get across your point/s. And is there anything that can be done, they usually help.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 10, 2012 @ 9:20 pm

  361. Thankyou will do. And thankyou for you help :)

    Comment by Jean 56 — September 10, 2012 @ 9:22 pm

  362. Good advice dwpexam. Gerry Sutcliffe wasn’t too helpful when he was Sports MInister in Tony’s government. However since he is now in opposition he is being very helpful. I have told him quite a lot even though I know him from counting at elections – when I was well enough to do it. I need the help so let him see what people like Jean, myself and others on this site have to go through. We have someone round here who is on IB for bad breath!!!!! Been on it for 7 years. Then there are the likes of jean and myself, plus all the others too long a list to type who are really ill. I told you the other day – get yourself elected. Jean’s constituency obviously needs to turn back from the dark side and lose the Tory incomer!!!! Night all. XXXX

    Comment by Jen — September 10, 2012 @ 9:39 pm

  363. An early seventies song by Alice Cooper.

    I’m your top prime cut of meat, I’m your choice,
    I wanna be elected,
    I’m your yankee doodle dandy in a gold Rolls Royce,
    I wanna be elected,
    Kids want a saviour, don’t need a fake,
    I wanna be elected,
    We’re all gonna rock to the rules that I make,
    I wanna be elected, elected, elected.

    I never lied to you, I’ve always been cool,
    I wanna be elected,
    I gotta get the vote, and I told you ’bout school,
    I wanna be elected, elected, elected,
    Hallelujah, I wanna be selected.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 10, 2012 @ 10:26 pm

  364. Great choice of words. Love A C. Keep those thoughts channelled my friend. You are doing so much good. Not heard from DWP/ATOS with new appointment but saying that we’ve not had our post yet. There’s still time for the buggers to ruin my day….AGAIN! Going to get my head down – not much sleep last night. XX

    Comment by Jen — September 11, 2012 @ 10:01 am

  365. Hi i took your advise. I found my local Labour office and sent them an email. Hopefully will not take long for a response from them. I phoned the job centre to complain about my treatment at Ceetec after all the job centre employ them to find WRAGs work. So it is all down to them. When i briefly told him what happened. He replied ” So why are you phoning me then” I told him that because Ceetec was used by them then i had every right to complain. And also if i got the bad treatment then they could impose the same treatment on someone else. He just said “Ok i will log it on your notes” Not really the resonse i was looking for. But i have made a complaint to Ceetec’s manager and i am still waiting for them to get back to me. Its just a big roller coaster all this. I hope to see some light at end of tunnel sometime soon. By the way love the poem by Alice Cooper. A very good choice of words as was stated by Jen. You are doing a fantastic job on here. I don’t know what i would have done without your support & kind words from others. For the record i wish you would go into politics for LABOUR of course lol!! You would do an excellent job perhaps even the next prime minister lol!!. Keep up the great work

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — September 11, 2012 @ 12:21 pm

  366. How are you Jen. Hope your days have been a bit more bearable. xxx

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — September 11, 2012 @ 12:23 pm

  367. Cheers Jean…We are trying our best to help people, we have a forum as well with over a thousand Anti ATOS/DWP members.
    Think of a username and log in http://www.dwpexamination.org lot’s of information and help on there too.

    By the way, wouldn’t it be great to see Cameron on the streets without a penny to his name, no house, Job, car, nothing, just totally broke, and no one want’s to know him, just like that film with Dan Ackroyd ”TRADING PLACES”. Ha Ha.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 11, 2012 @ 12:53 pm

  368. Thankyou i will log into that. I and many others would love to see Cameron in the gutter. I am so surprised that he has no compassion. As he has had some very sad ttimes in his life. You would think that he would have learnt by it. But a cruel heartless person such as him never learns.The likes of him must get a great satisfaction on inflicting misery & heartbreak on others. Very sad. Hope the devils will be waiting for him. I loved that film “Trading Places” Perhaps you should send a DVD of the film to Cameron ha ha !!

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — September 11, 2012 @ 2:31 pm

  369. Jean…Or send him a picture of Dan Ackroyd, you know the one where he’s staring at all OF his ex friends in that window, all having a great time, and he’s broke as f**k.

    And write on there : Dear MR Cameron…. I WISH THIS WAS YOU..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 11, 2012 @ 3:24 pm

  370. Hi Jean. Just very very tired. Not sleeping well and too knackered to do anything. My house looks like…..well, I won’t say. Enough to say my once house proud character is slightly swamped by apathy at the mo. You and I could be dwpexam’s party officials. Have noticed we are becoming more personal now. I like it!!!! David Cameron on the streets – he wouldn’t stand a hope in hell. Good news. The new employers of L’s old company interviewed him for his job yesterday and he was told today that he and a n other have been kept on. Thank the lord. One prob down. 999 to go!!! Take care. BFN XX

    Comment by Jen — September 11, 2012 @ 5:59 pm

  371. lol!! love it. I am a coward but i dare you to send it to Cameron :)

    Comment by Jean 56 — September 11, 2012 @ 6:00 pm

  372. aw!! sorry to hear you unwell Jen. I know what you mean about the house proud stuff. My kids said i had a disease, I hate having to rely on people doing mine as they never do it like me :( So glad L has still got his job. What a big relief for you. I am up for being dwpexams official along side you . We certainly would do a better job. But i am afraid i would be the Robin Hood and would take off the rich to give to the poor.Think the country would be broke in a year though lol!! But i would have great satisfaction lol!!! Take good care of yourself Jen. xxx

    Comment by Jean 56 — September 11, 2012 @ 6:06 pm

  373. First law we could pass – ATOS back across the channel or make their lives as awful as they have made ours. Robin Hood sounds good – what are you like in green tights and a tunic? Can’t say they would do much for me but for you I’d make the effort!!!!! Going to bed. Bye petal.XXX

    Comment by Jen — September 11, 2012 @ 6:26 pm

  374. Jean.

    Am going to send Cameron a picture of Sutcliffe, and on it the words in the style of the old Canadian molson beer advert,


    Comment by dwpexamination — September 11, 2012 @ 7:35 pm

  375. lol!! dwpex you have just made my day day. Jen I think i would look just great in green tights & tunic as i am very small framed lol!! Hope you slept well & hope you have a better day xxx

    Comment by Jean 56 — September 12, 2012 @ 8:36 am

  376. Hi All. Have just got letter from ATOS. It says: ‘You have requested a home visit to be arranged for your claim to ESA. As a result of your req you no longer need to attend an examination at the moment. Therefore your case has been referred back to your local social security office.’ What will that mean short term and long term, as didn’t expect this reply!. Thank you. XXX

    Comment by Jen — September 12, 2012 @ 12:42 pm

  377. Hello Jen.

    Looks like good news for a change, a postponement, how long is anybody’s guess, but their off your back for now.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 12, 2012 @ 2:51 pm

  378. Does that mean they will continue to pay my IB or will I get put on to ESA (not able to work group). Thank you so much for your help over this. Suggesting I write to my MP probably did the trick, and I’d love to see the letter he wrote to them! Have you heard of them canx your medical before and if so how long before they heard from ATOS again? Presume I will just have to keep fighting via MP and doc next time as well. Hopefully I’m back at the bottom of the pile again, but knowing ATOS probably not. Again, thank you for your help and advice to date. XXXX

    Comment by Jen — September 12, 2012 @ 3:00 pm

  379. Hi Jen.

    Yes they have cancelled assessments before, and it all depends when they will call you, could be three months, could be six months, could be a year even, could be any time, just be ready for them.
    There was a time where they never cancelled appointments, but the pressure on ATOS lately has been so strong they are trying to allow certain folk through until the heat dies down, of course once they feel safe again then they will be back to their old ways.
    What they will keep you on is debatable, more likely fast track you through to ESA, but on the other hand they might wait with that for a while, you will soon find out one way or the other, the deal on IB OR ESA is the same anyway.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 12, 2012 @ 4:24 pm

  380. Thank you. Sorry haven’t a clue about all of this and am still in shock. Am trying to find something to do from home in my own time, when I feel up to it. I might be able to come off IB then and not be reliant on idiots at ATOS for my future. Won’t be able to do that now or soon, if ever but at least I am keeping my mind open. I feel so whacked out by this I am in bed. What a life. Thank you again. Am I ok to come back to you for help when they come back to me? XXX

    Comment by Jen — September 12, 2012 @ 4:30 pm

  381. Hi Jen…The Blog is always open for everyone and so is the sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org stay in touch, and keep up with knowing your rights, things change from week to week, month to month.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 12, 2012 @ 6:35 pm

  382. Thanks amigo/amiga. I’ll keep looking in on this site as you are so helpful when I get a panic on, and I am sure I won’t be let off the hook for too long by ATOS or DWP. Just to let you know Jean – I told my MP everything, even tho’ I know him. I listed all my probs and asked him if he would be willing to employ me if I sat in front of him at a job interview and said ‘Yes, I’d love the job. Just got to tell you………..might stop me arriving or carrying out my duties. Is that ok?’ That’s when he sent letter off to relev depts.I weighed up ego and pride against getting help and help won. I even sent him copy of ATOS questionnaire and said doc backed answers up 100%. I included her fax to ATOS req home visit and their turn down reply.

    Comment by Jen — September 12, 2012 @ 8:52 pm

  383. Hi Jen. When my ESA medical etc first started I had the same letter. I was asked to go for a medical but my GP faxed them saying as i had just had 2 operations on both feet i was unable to attend. They sent me a letter saying the same as yours. I got another one within 3 weeks telling me i had a home visit & the date. So i would say expect one soon with details of your home visit. Hopefully i could be wrong about you & you have a long wait. xxx

    Comment by Jean 56 — September 12, 2012 @ 9:11 pm

  384. I emailed my local Labour office explaining what has happened & could they put me in touch with my Labour MP, name etc. But still not heard from anyone.I am still at a total loss who to write to :(

    Comment by Jean 56 — September 12, 2012 @ 9:18 pm

  385. I have a home examination tommorow ,i wish i had seen this site earlier .I am worried sick . I am in pain throughout my body day in day out suffer severe mental and physical fatigue through fibnromyalgia , my knees swell and stiffen , my whole body is heavy and aching , i have no remission from severe brain fog , feelings of unreality ,vision is constantly blurred , anxiety running through my body ,inner tremouring , , dizziness , , I was hospitalized in 2000 in a psychiatric hospital for severe depression and attemping suicide , undergoing 12 sessions of electric shock therapy , but never recovering from the depression . I can think straight ,concentrate and my memory is very poor . pain and cramping in fingers ,weakness in wrists and pain . How can a dr from atos begin to understand these feelings of detatchment from my own self ,,detatched from the world outside . I may look ok on the outside ,but my life is a living hell . I have had years of visiting psychiatrists ,counselling ,psychologists ,years of different antidepressants , but nothing has worked . Would the examiner need to be qualified in the mental health field to carry out the examination ?

    Comment by nikki — September 12, 2012 @ 9:53 pm

  386. Oh dear. Is Jean right – I ciould still have a home medical in 3 weeks even tho they have turned me down once and my doc and MP have written requesting a home visit? Will DWP send req back to ATOS to do medical? My nerves will be shot at this rate. Thought I had seen them off for a few months. Doesn’t appear to be case if Jean right.

    Comment by Jen — September 12, 2012 @ 11:01 pm

  387. Jean…Why don’t you google your area and find out who the local MP is.

    As for the local Labour office, the best way to deal with them is to wait awhile and if you still get no reply then send them an e-mail or letter thanking them very much for their quick articulate reply to your e-mail dated such and such, it’s refreshing to know how much they care and when voting time comes you will be tripping over yourself to get to the polling station to vote for their candidate.

    You will get a reply then…GUARANTEED.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 13, 2012 @ 5:29 am

  388. Hello nikki.

    Did you see the dispatches programme ? ATOS said it themselves, if you can use your finger to press a button then your basically fit for some kind of work. So expect to be found fit for work, if that happens we will help you to appeal in painless stages to save you a lot of extra worry.
    Let us know what happens, and as I said we can help..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 13, 2012 @ 5:34 am

  389. No point in worrying about something that hasn’t even happened yet Jen, start worrying if it does happen, and if it does then we will help you the best way we can..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 13, 2012 @ 5:41 am

  390. Jen Didnt mean to worry you sorry. But thought i should tell you that you could still get another letter saying they agree to home visit on such & such a date. Please don’t worry as the home visit went in my favour to a certain extent. At least they didnt throw me off the ESA & back on unemployment benefit as they did before. They put me in the WRAG which as you know i appealed & won to go on the support. It seems never endin all this as i have to go through it all again within 3 months. As i said hopefully the letter from your MP has scared them off and they leave you alone. But even then for how long :( I was just wondering how they came up with the name Conservative as i can’t see anything conservative about them do you. Perhaps we should rename them. Any ideas on names lol!!! xxxx

    Comment by Jean 56 — September 13, 2012 @ 7:56 am

  391. Cannot find my local Labour MP when i googled it in. But i just sent an email to our ED Labour party leader explaining my situation briefly & asking for his help lol!! hopefully that might help.If not i will be voting the loony party in next lol!!

    Comment by Jean 56 — September 13, 2012 @ 8:18 am

  392. Yes I did see the dispatches programme an utter disgrace ,thank you very much will keep you informed

    Comment by nikki — September 13, 2012 @ 9:48 am

  393. Just got a letter from MP. It says ‘I have received a response from JCPlus to my recent enquiries on your behalf. They state that ATOS who undertake the WCAs have made the decision to consider your claim under ‘scrutiny’ which they state means it is highly unlikely that you will be asked to attend an assessment and they will make a decision based on your ESA50. You should receive notification shortly.’ Can’t say the guy hasn’t tried for me. No attending an assessment means home or medical centre it would seem. Postie must wonder what the heck I’m up to. Letters from No 10 and the House of Commons. Just want it to all die down and let me get on with trying to get better. XXX

    Comment by Jen — September 13, 2012 @ 12:33 pm

  394. please help i have been reading these posts for ages and my question is this i am an alcoholic which is in my medical records surely this alone will deem me unfit for work?also if they did say i was fit for work and i appealed what benefit would i be on while waiting for an appeal?im currently on incapacity benefit and have been for 15 years through alcoholism,depression and arthritis.please help

    Comment by ian james — September 13, 2012 @ 12:38 pm

  395. Hi Ian.

    No, that alone doesn’t necessarily preclude you from working or passing an assessment on your fitness to work, but being under the influence of alcohol at the assessment just might, not that I would recommend or condone anyone staggering around an ATOS centre drunk.
    I would recommend instead they turn up with a brand new suit, shirt and tie, shaved and bathed and explain all your health problems to the nice kind ATOS Doctor.

    If you are found fit for work, and you appeal asking for the assessment rate and also supplying a sickline from your GP or hospital then you will be paid the assessment rate of £142 per fortnight with rent and council tax rebate etc, it’s the same deal as Job seekers allowance.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 13, 2012 @ 1:28 pm

  396. Jen…Wait and see what it says on the decision makers notification first, then you can take it from there.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 13, 2012 @ 1:29 pm

  397. Cheers nikki.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 13, 2012 @ 1:33 pm

  398. hi ian, im a double amputee and unable to wear my prosthetic legs,ive had two big operations on both my knees which was not a success im on morhine tablets and the morphine solution,tramadol gaberpentin and these make me fall asleep etc,im vertualy house bound and i had a medical done at home which my doctor and i had to fight for,and guess what yep they said i was fit for work.

    Comment by sharon — September 13, 2012 @ 4:09 pm

  399. what an utter disgrace i feel for you i really do xx

    Comment by Anonymous — September 13, 2012 @ 4:41 pm

  400. i feel for you i really do xx

    Comment by ian james — September 13, 2012 @ 4:42 pm

  401. atos said i am fit for work even tho i am meds for depression because i have pets these animals are my only real company my family check every day i am still alive this company is a fukin joke they expect me to kill my pets because apperently im emionally disturbed so i got rid of my best freinds (i didnt kill them ) but this is what ATOS expect so basically they want claiments to murder thier pets just to claim whats rightfully theirs ….i say fucking bastards …..

    Comment by me — September 13, 2012 @ 5:04 pm

  402. Not surprised Sharon, if you had said they had found you unfit for work, then that would surprise me, I remember you, have they found you fit for work again ?.
    You know the score Sharon, it’s appeal time, get that GL24, ESA85 assessment report and appeal, they’re waiting at the DWP for your call.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 14, 2012 @ 6:14 am

  403. ive filled the form in for my appeal and sent reports from my doctor and the specialist that did my operations i even got in touch with the daily mirror and they did a small write up about what atos have done to me.i asked for the report from my medical and what a load of bull the doctor had wrote.i havnt slept properly for months because im worried about when my appeal will be.i worry about when the next letter will come through the door for my husband who is disabled too,he suffers with hereditary spastic quadraplegia,its got so bad i have days where i go to bed and i dont want to wake up ever again.

    Comment by sharon — September 14, 2012 @ 5:32 pm

  404. Hello Sharon.

    I do remember you, and I’m sure I mentioned they will be back, wait to see what happens and you can contact the Daily mirror again if things don’t go your way, it’s a continual battle against these people, one day we will beat them, but for now we have to battle them as best as we can..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 14, 2012 @ 6:05 pm

  405. off subject so please excuse me,im a council tenant,didnt the govt bring in a law that counclis can order people into smaller properties if theyve spare rooms,mum and dad are getting on now,must think about this,is it retrospective?been back here 5 years -on rent book,ty


    Comment by chris — September 15, 2012 @ 11:02 am

  406. Hello Chris.

    If you are on benefits and you have a spare room or more the Government have brought in a law saying for each spare room you will be deducted a certain amount from your benefits. The intention is to force people to starve or get a property with one bedroom…scandalous.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 15, 2012 @ 11:30 am

  407. dwpex how right you are its scandalous. What other nasty tricks have they got up their sleeves to exploit the needy, sick & disabled. My parents lived in a 7 roomed council house coz we was a very large family of 10 children. We all flew the nest. My mum died leaving my dad alone in it. He hated it and asked the council to move him to a smaller premises. They never bothered with him. He has now since passed away and the council got their house back only to be given to someone that was not on the council list. Need i say more !!!! There are a lot of people who live in premises that they cannot cope with & want to move. I say help them first before they put pressure on people because they claim benefits.

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — September 15, 2012 @ 11:43 am

  408. weve had a letter from our council and they are on about people on benifits that get there council tax paid ha ve got to pay so much towards their council tax too.

    Comment by sharon — September 16, 2012 @ 9:10 am

  409. Thank you dpw’,does anyone know the extent of the cuts to benefits and the increment of them?how large for one bedroom,bigger or smaller for a second bedroom etc,i’m in a 3bed house,dread to think about this honestly,thanks again dwp’ and all,help much appreciated and valued,have a lovely sunday.

    Comment by chris — September 16, 2012 @ 9:48 am

  410. Sharon, they are going to keep squeezing and squeezing until there’s nothing left to squeeze, that’s why we need to fight them now before it’s to late.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 16, 2012 @ 11:22 am

  411. I can’t understand it either, someone with a seven bedroom house on their own who wants to move and they won’t let him, everything is all crazy, no wonder there’s no cohesion, no rhyme or reason, no nothing just bedlam and chaos..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 16, 2012 @ 11:24 am

  412. Hi Chris.
    Where I live, if you have one spare bedroom, they will cut your housing benefit by 14%. If you have 2 or more spare bedrooms it will be 25%. These changes will be put in place in April 2013. Hope this info helps.

    Comment by SaRahRah — September 16, 2012 @ 12:49 pm

  413. Thank you Sarah,14 and 25% aint to be bleedin sniffed at,only one thing for it,rope bannister arf arf,joking of course,it just means ill have to win the lottery and we all know how easy that is,feeling better already.


    Comment by chris — September 16, 2012 @ 1:25 pm

  414. my husband and i live in a 3 bedroom house and we have to pay 80 pound a month,thats what we have been told.

    Comment by sharon — September 16, 2012 @ 7:01 pm

  415. I live in a one bedroom falt. The rent is very reasonable for the area i live in.Since August i am £50 per month down with my rent. This has to come out of my benefits. Correct me if i am wrong but when they send you a letter it states how much you will be getting a week. Also states”This is what the law says you have to live on” So if we have to pay more rent etc out of our benefits what happened to how much they say we have to live on. What the hell do we live on when we have to pay exrta to keep a roof over our head. I phoned & asked them why my rent was being cut.The council said its because they are not funded enough by the goverment and i could always move into a bedsit. I am 60 yrs old soon & i do not want to live in a bedsit & start sharing amenities with strangers. I am disabled & my flat has been adapted to help me. But i did ask if they had a one bedroom cardboard box. Didn’t impress them much lol!!!

    Comment by Jean 56 — September 16, 2012 @ 7:23 pm

  416. I’d like to know how they work how much a person needs to live on?

    Comment by Anonymous — September 16, 2012 @ 7:35 pm

  417. Hello Anonymous.

    Well I can tell you that Britain has the lowest payout in benefits compared to the average wage in the whole of Europe, even Ireland are above us, albeit slightly, so a look at the lowest figures in Europe and dock a few hundred per year making us the worst paid in benefits – and probably pensions – would be a good way to work it out, whether you starve to death month by month in the meantime trying to survive is irrelevant to them.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 17, 2012 @ 6:08 am

  418. Hello Jean.

    Did it really say that ? I haven’t actually seen that on any of my correspondence with the DWP lately, I know they used to write that on their letters but I thought they had dropped it, obviously because people were asking the same questions as you.
    Namely…I thought it said that was how much I needed to live on ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 17, 2012 @ 6:13 am

  419. Hi dwpex. Had it on couple of letters in the past. But just looked at my last one & it doesnt say anything. Must have changed the wording or took it off all together. So they can pay what they like lol!!. Ireland get more benefits i agree. The elderly are very much more looked after. Pity our goverment don’t help our elderly etc much more. As said they are bleeding us dry until we all starve or freeze to death.Going to be many more living on the streets. We still have this goverment in for another 2& half years. Dread to think what will happen in that time :(

    Comment by Jean 56 — September 17, 2012 @ 11:05 am

  420. Yes they stopped it Jean, they have looked at all their wording on all their correspondence and have had a re-think, for instance they used to say that you were a claimant, now it’s client or customer, and ATOS demand that you be called a client or customer as opposed to patient.

    You can see a massive shift in their way of thinking and how they present themselves, and it’s reflected in their wording on all their letters, never again will we see ”This is what the law says you need to live on etc” those days of treating us as human beings are over.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 17, 2012 @ 11:39 am

  421. Yes they also changed the wording on the DLA it used to say for life now it says indefinately. I still have the original letter. on it says have my DLA for life.They are very clever as they change it without us knowing at first.

    Comment by Jean 56 — September 17, 2012 @ 5:47 pm

  422. hi my husband is 61 and went on benefits a few weeks ago. He has stenosis of the spine and is in constant pain. The medical assessment centre is just a few streets away from us, and they sent out a letter to tell him to contact them and arrange an appointment. He did that and they asked him if there was a fire could he use the stairs, and he said no, so they’re sending him from Belfast to Portadown or Ballymena. I rang and said that is too far, they offered a taxi, but I would be unable to accompany him, so I rang them and said no, come out to our home. They said the doctor would have to approve this, but what if he doesn’t. We cannot afford a taxi that far, to claim the amount back afterwards, we simply haven’t got it, for a taxi journey of 21 miles…!!! What can we do?

    Comment by Jen. — September 19, 2012 @ 10:18 pm

  423. By the way that would be 21 miles there and 21 miles back….

    Comment by Jen. — September 19, 2012 @ 10:21 pm

  424. Hello Jen.

    The truth is you are in a sticky situation if your GP doesn’t approve a home visit from ATOS, you need to explain to him/her that some kind of support for a domiciliary visit in the form of a fax or letter to ATOS is imperative because ATOS don’t pay for transport expenses up front, in fact it can be months before expenses from ATOS are paid.
    I don’t know exactly how long because I personally have never claimed expenses from ATOS or the tribunal system, because I always get a lift.

    If you just can’t go then you just can’t go, but without that support from your GP or Hospital then you will find ATOS healthcare can be totally ruthless.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 20, 2012 @ 5:05 am

  425. Atos told the Huffington Post UK: “We understand that applying for benefits can be an emotional time which is why we work hard to make sure that the service we provide is as highly professional and compassionate as it can be.

    “We apply the DWP’s criteria and policy to all of the assessments we provide which is why they are in line with the final decisions made in the vast majority of cases.

    “The assessment carried out by our staff forms an important but single piece of information used by the DWP to make a decision on benefit entitlement.

    “Where the outcomes differ it does not necessarily mean that our assessment was inaccurate but instead the Department or Tribunal Service may have had access to further information that was not seen by Atos Healthcare.”

    Just read this in an article on AOL where the DWP state that 1 in 5 medicals are incorrectly assessed! I’d have thought it was more than that.

    This is interesting – Dame Anne Begg, Labour MP and chair of the Commons work and pensions select committee said: “This is evidence that whatever is happening, whether it is the contract between Atos and DWP that is at fault or indeed the way the assessment is being interpreted by Atos staff, they are getting it wrong in a very high proportion of cases. “And to find out that almost 14,000 people were found fully fit for work when they should have been in the support group… that is a lot of people.”

    Hello Jean and dwpexamon’t think I’ve stopped following you. Just waiting for DWP to drop next bombshell on me and I’ll be back in my usual panic! XX

    Comment by Jen — September 23, 2012 @ 1:03 pm

  426. Hi Jen. That was interesting reading. How can they get it so wrong with their figures. They are finding nearly everyone fit for work. As has been proven by so many many. Just wonder when all this is going to end and we get a much fairer system. How are you ? Hope you feeling much better than last time i messaged you. I do hope the bombshell misses you this time. Think you have been through enough torture. xx

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — September 23, 2012 @ 5:50 pm

  427. The whole article makes for very good reading!!!! Shows what a farce the whole system is. Wanted to get in touch with you but didn’t want to chock up this site with my personal messages to you in particular as not fair to others who need the benefit of dwpexam’s help. Keep checking in now and then to see if you are ok. Will obviously get in touch with dwpexam when I need more help which, no doubt, will be sooner rather than later. Not feeling too good if I am honest but trying to get on. Hope you are as well as can be expected in your circumstances. Thinking of you. Jen XXXX

    Comment by Jen — September 23, 2012 @ 7:20 pm

  428. Just read through all of this having just found the site.
    I have my assessment tomorrow. I’ve got the song ‘Th sword of Damacles is hanging over my head’ from Rocky horror show in my head…..

    Technically we pay the governments wages, therefore they are our employees, so can we not just fire the liers?

    The only way you can change the Gov is by becoming the new one. Maybe we should get Dwpex to head a new party. There would be SO many people would vote!!

    Comment by M.Mouse — September 25, 2012 @ 3:18 pm

  429. Jean and I have already put our names forward to be DWPexam’s groupies!!!! Told himhr he/she should stand for government earlier in blog. Keep pushing Dwpexam, M Mouse. We may get him/her into the House of Commons yet. Good luck for tomorrow. Will be thinking of you. XXX

    Comment by Jen — September 25, 2012 @ 4:06 pm

  430. Fantastic! A party with members of integrity, and empathy and sensible attitudes, and open eyes!

    Thankyou xxx

    Comment by M.Mouse — September 25, 2012 @ 4:18 pm

  431. Integrity? Empathy? Sensible? All words not associated with ATOS or any party I can think of!!! Will be great to be the first. Jean was going to give to the poor and take from the rich. Think I got her to agree to wear green tights!!! Seriously, we need a party that actually stands by its priciples – think there are enough on this site to start one up and we’ll soon enlist others. dwpexam for party leader, Jean for chancellor……and we’ll sort others later. Let us know how you do tomorrow. J XXX

    Comment by Jen — September 25, 2012 @ 4:49 pm

  432. Hehehe, yeah I know, it would be a refreshing change!!
    Oooh, plan! I’m an archer, so maybe I can shoot flaming arrows into any ridiculous policies they try and make!!
    I also have friends who are up for a new party! it’s a matter of publicity and votes :) (and a sensible, achievable and helpful campaign slogan!)

    Will do. it’s at 4pm. I’ve got 2 friends coming in with me, one to take notes, one to advise what I am (mostly not) allowed to do, as I tend to push myself too hard day by day anyhow.

    I didn’t realise I had to ask for it to be recorded, so I never asked. am slightly worried now. Should I secretly record it on my phone?!!

    Comment by M.Mouse — September 25, 2012 @ 4:57 pm

  433. M. Mouse good luck with your medical tomorrow. As your an archer it would be great if you lined all the goverment up with an apple on thier heads. Would love to see them quiver & drop like flies lol!!!. Jen Love the way you have sorted our new party out.And definately dwpexam up for the leader. Perhaps we should start by coming up with a name!!! xx

    Comment by Jean 56 — September 25, 2012 @ 5:09 pm

  434. “Us party. We may be missing bits, but not our integrity!”

    Thanks. We used to do a fruit shoot every halloween, it gets messy. XD

    Comment by M.Mouse — September 25, 2012 @ 5:12 pm

  435. lol!! fruit shoots bet it was a mess. Again best of luck for tomorrow x

    Comment by Jean 56 — September 25, 2012 @ 5:14 pm

  436. The DWP will find out who I am if I did that, and come and get me, they might even take me to a disused warehouse tie me to a chair and give me a proper assessment, so I hope you can understand I do not wish to be identified at the moment…LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 25, 2012 @ 5:53 pm

  437. HAHA we could use muppets in our visual campaigns!
    Nah, they couldn’t find beer in a pub, let along get organised enough for that!

    Thanks Jean :) they were indeed…but good fun.

    Comment by M.Mouse — September 25, 2012 @ 5:56 pm

  438. You can ask for it to be recorded if you want it to be. Thought it wasn’t recorded unless you asked for it to be – is that still the case Mr/Ms sitting in a barn tied to a chair?! Thought it wasn’t a good idea to secretly record either though sure some must have done it. dwpexam will put you right on that as well hopefully. By using muppets on visual campaign – I’d have thought using the present and past governments in our campaign would be a good move!!!!! Has M Mouse still got time to ask for assessment to be recorded if that’s what they want, dwpexam?XX

    Comment by Jen — September 25, 2012 @ 8:57 pm

  439. ‘Atos Nurse Joyce Drummond Apologises Over ‘Ridiculous’ Disability Benefits’.Long article on AOL under this headline. Too long to cut and paste but very interesting. ATOS refute all the allegations of course but if anyone can get on to AOL, read this article. She goes in to assessment criteria etc and how they have to tick the boxes on screen, dep on how you turn up, answer, dress and smile! Obviously don’t know how much is true but….. XX

    Comment by Jen — September 26, 2012 @ 10:09 am

  440. Jen…Here’s the latest in the Scottish Daily record.


    Comment by dwpexamination — September 26, 2012 @ 12:54 pm

  441. Unbelievable! Looks like there is a labour MP on side at last, however. Michael Meacher has taken on specific fights before and is not afreaid to be seen to be doing something. Need to get more MPs on side tho’ how I don’t know. Thanks for link dwpexam. I know having ME is difficult as it can’t be seen. Same as mental health probs. Talk later.XXX

    Comment by Jen — September 26, 2012 @ 5:20 pm

  442. Hi Jen i read that article early in the week.Was shocked to say the least but not really surprised. Its like can you lift an empty cardboard box. So glad she came forward & let the public know whats going on. xx

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — September 26, 2012 @ 10:48 pm

  443. But it’s all just stories, we are making it all up, well according to the Conservatives.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 27, 2012 @ 10:08 am

  444. Hey! It was…interesting!
    I had two friends come with me, Jim to make notes and Arwen to do language if mine failed (which it did)
    She answered all my fumbles at answering questions with medical terminology (mostly from their own site) and the ‘nurse’ got all nervy. He kept asking me the same q over and over again, and I kept saying same thing over and over. the heating was up full and that with the strip lights started messing with me, and after my hands and face went numb, apparently I looked like shit, so we never even got to the physical movements, cause I was on verge of passing out/throwing up, and he had A and J getting progressively irritated. He suggested that we carry on, as there wasn’t much left, and then I vaguely remember a set of comments about if I passed out he’d call an ambulance, and A saying if they tried to resuss they’d dislocate my ribs, and him saying that at least they’d take me to hospital, as calling an ambulance was their policy…

    I was dismissed without even doing the physical tests because I have a feeling A went all mummy bear!!! (she may be in a wheelchair, but you don’t want to irritate her!)

    She said it should have been a home visit, and the guy who wheeled her out of the centre agreed.
    Met up with friends after, who helped me re-balance.
    It’s was an odd day.
    Who knows how it will go!
    Now I have to pack, as am moving house tomorrow! (no rest for the wicked!)

    Comment by M.Mouse — September 27, 2012 @ 10:31 am

  445. My God, I wish I knew this site existed before I went through all this nonsense! I had pneumonia around this time last year and since then it’s led to all sorts of complications the main one is constrictive pericarditis. It’s a thickening of the pericardium accompanied by a build-up of fluid in my pericardium and often overflows into the lungs causing real problems with pumping blood and real problems trying to breathe especially when I exert myself in any way which leads to fainting spells and blackouts.

    Picture this. I’m a 45 stone bed-bound man whose knees can’t cope with the weight. In February this year I moved to my friend’s address because he lives in a ground floor flat and the first thing I did was notify the DWP and my GPs surgery of the change of address.. My conditions mean I can’t use staircases which I had in my flat. I can’t even walk 3 paces without crippling pain in my knees and chest. I take morphine and tramadol for the pain plus a smorgasbord or other tablets and potions just to keep me alive!

    I’ve been in and out of a&e with ward admissions over 17 times in the last 12 months and I reached a point where I jokingly told myself I might as well just move into a&e permanently!

    Just under a month ago my incapacity benefit (still haven’t been moved onto ESA!) was stopped because according to the DWP I didn’t attend my ATOS medical. I explained it was probably because I was in hospital at the time and offered to provide them with proof I was unable to attend for the reason of being in hospital and couldn’t have known anything about receiving any letters or ESA50s inviting me for a medical with a “Highly Qualified Health Care Professional”.

    When I rang the DWP in a blind panic I was told it was my fault for not attending the medicals and my money should have been stopped in March but they are unsure of why I kept getting paid until now. Perhaps they had a collective brain-fart because of the Olympics/Paralympics?

    The adjudication officer would re-examine my claim but couldn’t make any promises on the provision I supplied the DWP with a letter from my GP explaining my illness, my obesity, and my housebound life and also why I couldn’t attend a medical, also dates and times of hospital admission.

    I explained that if the DWP contacted my cardiology consultant and my GP I had given them permission to share my medical records but I was told in no-such terms that was “not good enough” and they wanted a letter from my doctor, so I did just that and the three senior partners in the practice helped. One wrote me an in-depth letter detailing my conditions with copies of hospital letters. Another partner declined to write a letter but put me back on Prozac and gave me a sick note with details of my ill health with emphasis on the constrictive pericarditis plus a full print-out of all my conditions, prescription medications, recent test results, and everything else going right the way back to 1979. The other partner in the surgery gave me a basic sick note with “constrictive pericarditis. Cannot work. Backdated for 3 months” or words to that effect. That doctor’s secretary politely informed me that the doctor was not a social worker and writing letters to that purpose was out of their remit and certainly not their responsibility. However, if I chose to pay the surgery £15 (which I just don’t have since my money was stopped the best part of a month ago) the doctor would be willing to send a letter.

    I’ve sent all the proof of health they have asked for, I’ve even asked the DWP to look into their records to see when the letters were sent to me, and to what address.

    Waiting for them to make their minds up about me, I’m so stressed and worried that my skin is starting to break down and the district nurses will have to come out every day. This is crazy. Can you think of anything I should do that can help me? Any words of advice and comfort are most welcome.

    Comment by Stressed Out Bear — September 27, 2012 @ 1:09 pm

  446. That’s awful :(
    These people are told they’re not there to be sympathetic, but to do their job. It’s heartless.
    Do you have a social worker and an occupational Therapist? if not get your doctor to refer you to one.
    I really hope things sort themselves out for you.
    Some Doctors have funds for alternative treatments, like massage and acupuncture amongst others, you may want to ask about that?

    Comment by M.Mouse — September 27, 2012 @ 1:18 pm

  447. Hello stressed out bear.

    It seems that you have done just about everything possible, you have nothing more to give.
    Just one thing though, by the sound of things there’s no way you should have to attend an assessment at an ATOS centre anyway, you should insist on a home visit, but in order for you to get a home visit you need help from your GP, anything like a letter or fax indicating you should be assessed at your home, and send it on to them.

    You will find they (ATOS) will resist, but only you can fight them by standing your ground, but wait until they concede first that you are cleared for another assessment, then that’s the time to demand a home visit.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 27, 2012 @ 3:31 pm

  448. Does anyone know how long from winning your appeal you have to wait before you get any money, I was told I would get some backdated money as I wasnt paid the full rate, a month now and havent received a penny any advice what to do next thank you.

    Comment by Jinxy — September 27, 2012 @ 3:43 pm

  449. Hello jinxy.

    It’s usual to wait around seven weeks after winning an appeal before you hear from the Department of work and pensions, if you had lost your appeal you would have heard from them within a week.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 27, 2012 @ 6:16 pm

  450. hello Jinxy. I won my appeal about the same time. I phoned to ask what was going on & why wasn’t my money put up to the full rate that i should be getting also my back pay from last october. I was told 4-6 weeks. I gave them my tribunal reference number they asked me for. They said they would make a note of it. But same as you not heard a thing. But if i was kicked off my money would have been stopped pronto.

    Comment by Jean 56 — September 27, 2012 @ 7:48 pm

  451. Sounds about right, quick enough to stop your money but not as quick to reinstate it, very diffficult living on fresh air! Thanks for info

    Comment by Jinxy — September 28, 2012 @ 7:11 am

  452. Hi, it’s 446 Stressed Out Bear again!

    I just wanted to run something past you. Do you recall I mentioned to change of address with DWP? As I said my benefit was stopped about a month ago and I’ve been ringing/faxing them with all possible details but I’ve not received ANYTHING from them in writing to even tell me my money has been stopped and why. Is this normal? I’ve got no evidence of anything if I have to go to tribunal and I would be entirely reliant on the DWP to provide proof of all communication and transactions.

    Anyone with any ideas?

    Comment by Stressed Out Bear — September 28, 2012 @ 4:54 pm

  453. Just under a month ago my incapacity benefit (still haven’t been moved onto ESA!) was stopped because according to the DWP I didn’t attend my ATOS medical. I explained it was probably because I was in hospital at the time and offered to provide them with proof I was unable to attend for the reason of being in hospital and couldn’t have known anything about receiving any letters or ESA50s inviting me for a medical with a “Highly Qualified Health Care Professional”.

    So you must have received a letter demanding you attend an assessment at your last address, perhaps they have informed you that your money has stopped by letter at your last address as well.
    Can you get to your last address and check it out ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 28, 2012 @ 7:09 pm

  454. I don’t know why they would have sent it there. I changed my details with them in February. I sent my dad to check the mail and there’s nothing from the dwp there. Millions of charity bags and takeaway leaflets but nothing else. The last time on their records they had correspondence with me was march asking why I didn’t attend a second assessment appointment. It’s very confusing for me because I’m just not mentally in the right place to fight the DWP.

    I will phone them Monday and find out if they accept my appeal but what do I do then? Do I ask for it in writing if they say no and how do I get details for tribunal and stuff?

    Comment by Stressed Out Bear — September 28, 2012 @ 7:17 pm

  455. You haven’t been notified in writing yet, maybe best to phone and ask for a confirmation by letter, phone calls notifications are no use.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 28, 2012 @ 11:21 pm

  456. had a atos medical 2 weeks ago, 15 to 20 mins just being asked questions
    did not get physical examination as previous years , found that strange.
    as i thought if you have a bad physical disability, as well as a mental disability
    a physical examination would be obvious.
    reading some of the comments, am now extremely worried.

    Comment by p.b — October 1, 2012 @ 10:23 am

  457. Hello p.b

    Our intention isn’t to worry you or anyone else, rather our intention is to save you from a world of hurt.
    Forewarned is forearmed, if the worst comes to the worst then you will be ready for them, and can take immediate steps to ensure you attain your rights and act in your own best interests.
    Let us know what happens and if you don’t like what you see then contact us and we will help.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 1, 2012 @ 10:32 am

  458. Following on from May 5th (above) ATOS wrote DWP and DWP asked why I had not attended. I wrote DWP with letter from parents on why I could not attend on the day,consultants letters, letters sent to ATOS,bits of the EA50 form to show medical history. I suddenly got a letter from ATOS for an a.m. appointment at Romford next week. They allowed me to move it a week to talk to my doctor and anyway I have an appointment with general surgery (maybe for a colonoscopy) on that day. Massive panic attack. I changed GP in the practice. GP wrote advising them of my depression, agoraphobia, panic attacks, toilet trouble, stair trouble, panic attacks in lifts; they already had letters from psychiatrist, rheumatology, neurology (old), eye people. gastrology (to confirm medical history). Anyway, today I got a letter advising I have insufficient medical evidence for a home visit and for a taxi.

    I am almost unable to look after myself; crying all the time; shaking and panic attacks at paperwork.

    I have chronic daily headache; chronic toilet trouble (maybe abdominal adhesions); chronic uveitis both eye – currently flaring; Ankylosing Spondylitis with peripherals affected (feet, shoulders, hips, hands); I am depressed, anxious, panic attacks, agoraphobia:- how can they say I don’t have enough medical evidence to warrent a home visit to somewhere with no disabled parking, on the second floor when I am unsafe on stairs and have panic attacks in lifts?

    What could be my next step? The chances of my being well enough to turn up if someone takes me is probably around 1/7 for an afternoon appointment and 1/30 for a morning

    If I miss again with letters stating why what is likely to happen?

    Comment by Mo — October 4, 2012 @ 3:24 pm

  459. Hello MO.

    What’s happening is they are trying to test your resolve, they bully people all the time, they don’t want to participate in home visits, it costs them money.
    You have a GPs letter saying you can’t make it, if you turn up there they will say ‘Ah another one that says they can’t make it, but is now here’ you can see they are bluffing, so if you don’t turn up they will send a letter to the DWP and tell them you refused to comply with their wishes and so please stop all benefits to teach her a lesson.
    The DWP will contact you by letter, it will say something like ”You refused to attend an assessment on your fitness to work etc therefore we have no alternative etc” so you must immediately send a letter to the DWP and explain why you can’t/couldn’t make the assessment, also mention that you are not happy with the way you are being treated considering you have support from your GP, and also mention that a copy of this letter will be going to my member of parliament to highlight this disgraceful treatment.

    We on this Blog and our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org have found that the DWP have backed down after some days have passed and informed ATOS to grant a domiciliary visit especially if a copy of the letter is being sent to your MP.

    Of course the choice is yours, stand up for your rights or be squashed or do as they say and just turn up.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 4, 2012 @ 6:40 pm

  460. Thank you for your reply.

    Everyone here knows how difficult and stressful it is to deal with multiple debilitating health conditions that dictate ones life.

    The unreasonableness of this ATOS/ESA thing undermines all the work of the GP, psychiatrist, hospital consultants, family, self (well it has for me).

    My optimistic part says I have a 1/7 chance of turning up accompanied; looking at my diary (getting ready for my next digestion consultation) says I have Bob Hope and No Hope of that. My physical reaction to these pieces of correspondence says otherwise.

    So further to your reply my Auntie is going to go through my papers for me (I feel physically sick with chest pain and shaking looking at my medical/ATOS stuff) and write to them summarising my problems requesting a home visit with recording again because of the unliklihood of my being able to attend.

    Should this be faxed to the number my doctor sent the fax to or post to Atos Wembley or Atos Assessment Centre in Romford? Should it be sent to the DWP as well? What do you think?

    If it is the DWP telling ATOS to reassess me and they had a copy of the psychiatrists letter stating depression and agoraphobia are they responsible for the no home visit no taxi letter or is it ATOS.

    I wish I was still in my well paid IT job so I could cheer myself up with a botle of perfume costing a week’s ESA money. Yes, we live on the price of a bottle of department store perfume, greedy, extravagent wretches that we are.

    Thank you for listening.

    Comment by Mo — October 4, 2012 @ 8:35 pm

  461. Ah no problem MO, I’ve found if you take one thing at a time it’s a little easier to handle the stress.

    Yes a fax to the number your Doctor sent would be a good start, also to be safe fax to the ATOS centre that deals with your case, whether that’s Romford or Wembley only you can know.

    Letters from ATOS always come in a white envelope, letters from the DWP always come in a brown envelope, so respond to the colour of the envelope/s.

    Not sure what is what ?, then send to both the DWP and ATOS. Hope you have a printer with ink in it, for all this copying.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 4, 2012 @ 9:04 pm

  462. had my atos medical, got reply today
    i am to continue to get E.S.A, its taxable,
    we get child tax credits, as we have custody of our 3ye old grandson (Well my wife does)
    i have been placed in a support group, and it says, i can seek to meet an adviser, if i wanted to.
    tha breakdown of payment they are giving me, does not include my wife.
    i do not recieve carers allowance,
    but my incapacity claim was as a couple.
    also theres a payment to be paid (top up payment) of £68:88 until 26th november
    i honestly cannot phathom out what all this ismeaning
    any help appreciated
    thank you

    Comment by pb — October 9, 2012 @ 10:39 am

  463. May I raise a point – the link to the sister site referenced in many of the early posts does not work – 500 internal server error message is returned.

    My experience with atos is one of disbelief. Got 0 points on initial WCA, appealed and won. 5 weeks later they kicked off the whole process again. Took over 6 months to do another WCA and now waiting for the result.

    Wrote to my MP (Havant) who got the local job centre to ring me and explain they didn’t have a clue how it works.

    Arbeite macht frei

    Comment by Phil — October 9, 2012 @ 11:17 am

  464. Try this link Phil http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 9, 2012 @ 3:17 pm

  465. Hello pb.

    No one can fathom out the minds of the DWP, least of all me, what I can say is you are in that support group which is good news, and you do not need to attend work focused interviews to help you find work, of course you still have the option to contact them and ask for help to get back to work if you so wish.
    As for payments regarding your wife ? this is where it gets complicated, you can contact the CAB or welfare rights and make an appointment to go over it with them, you will need to show them all your paper work, it’s impossible for them to help you without it, just be aware that the DWP are con artists par excellance and will have no qualms whatsoever in robbing you of any extra money you may be due.
    So just get it checked out and don’t trust the DWP for anything.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 9, 2012 @ 3:48 pm

  466. so there are now , no payments for married couples, as my wife is the carer, guardian , for our grandson
    hence, the child tax credit payments
    thank you

    Comment by p.b — October 9, 2012 @ 7:18 pm

  467. Hello pb.

    I’m not sure about that, but I do know the Government are stopping carers from being paid, it’s a scandal and reported in the Scottish daily record just the other day. Everything is being cut, thank god you have the support group for the moment, at least you’ll have some money coming in.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 9, 2012 @ 9:05 pm

  468. I AM SCARED STIFF! I have my medical at end of month i am epileptic type 2 diabetic and suffer from depression, i never know day by day how i am going to feel, i hear of people worse off medically being told they can work. i have been unable to work now for 17 years becaause of the epilepsy and depression recently gone back on meds for depression and only in last 2 years type 2 diabetes that wasnt added onto my benefits till i filled in the forms for this esa thing! id rather not be around if they stop my benefit only thing keeping me going is having my dog! :-(

    Comment by jeri austin — October 10, 2012 @ 11:34 am

  469. Hi jeri.

    You won’t lose your benefit, well you will lose the working component part when you appeal, but the main part is the assessment rate and will help you get by until the appeal is heard, remember you get a rent and council tax rebate as before, so it’s grim but enough to hang on.
    If you win the appeal then the working component that they hold back will be reimbursed.
    If you were unfortunate and lost the appeal then as long as six months have passed (And a worsening of your health condition or new condition) you will be eligible to re-apply for ESA again.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 10, 2012 @ 1:20 pm

  470. I just wanted to give you an update on my situation, my appeal was successful and I can finally put some money on the electricity meter and totally out of the blue this morning I got a letter from atos telling me they had reviewed my medical evidence and I wouldn’t need to go for a medical any time soon. Is this a good thing!? I hope it is but we all know what sneaky buggers they are!

    Comment by Stressed Out Bear — October 11, 2012 @ 12:41 pm

  471. Yes it’s a good thing and that’s what ATOS are doing now, they are under constant pressure to explain themselves, see the Scottish daily record online today regarding ATOS and read it, you will find it interesting.
    Congratulations on winning your appeal, and remember when the pressure is off ATOS, they will call you back, so help us keep the pressure on them, you can do this by visiting our sister site and logging in to learn your rights and keep up with all the latest news. http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 11, 2012 @ 1:14 pm

  472. Hi All. Got a call from DWP this morning to say I have been put in support group for ESA, She said I would not have to attend job interviews or advice/help groups as they deem me unfit for work at present. She is also sending out forms for Income Support as my other half has just be made redundant and thinks it might help until he finds another job. Thank you for all your help. It would seem a letter to DWP from my MP helped the most as I was totally honest with him and put pride on the back burner re the illnesses. J XXX

    Comment by Jen — October 15, 2012 @ 5:34 pm

  473. Congratulations Jen and thanks for that, remember they will be back some day so be prepared in advance..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 15, 2012 @ 6:47 pm

  474. Oh I know that! You warned me of that earlier in blog. Have told my MP to stay close as will need him again when they come back! Someone has said they may leave me alone for a bit as I have made waves, but can’t see that happening. What is the longest you’ve known them to wait before they attack again? Again – thanks for all your help dwpexam. Much appreciated, believe me. XXX

    Comment by Jen — October 15, 2012 @ 8:37 pm

  475. Hi Jen.

    It’s not so much the longest but the shortest, and the shortest I’ve ever heard was a guy who won a tribunal appeal, and before the DWP had even acknowledged and told him he was entitled to ESA (Which is usually around seven weeks) he received a white envelope (Envelope of doom) from ATOS demanding he attend one of their centres for an examination. His benefits (Which he hadn’t even received) may be affected if he didn’t attend.
    It’s a shambles, an absolute joke outfit..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 16, 2012 @ 4:13 am

  476. I am due to have an examination next week, I was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis in 1990 and had gave up work 10 years ago, the constant sitting and typing at a computer, my wrists, hands, shoulders, my whole body hurt, the pain was, and still is terrible. Thankfully I am not disabled, just feel very unable…..and on ‘good days’ I can walk at least half a mile, on ‘bad’ days I can barely get out of bed. I have a wonderful husband who helps me physically and mentally….for years my parents have suffered from many ailments and illnesses (not R.A.) This terrible stress of worrying about my father who is very ill in a nursing home, the doctor has said that his heart is failing, (Dad has dementia, diabetic neuropathy, double incontinence, and worrying about my mother who has lived on her own for nearly a year is awful.(Social Services have been useless, in helping Dad, the NHS not any better, leaving him a filthy mess night after night, )
    My doctor said that I will not be treated very well at the examination. After much discussion my husband has said that we will manage somehow……. just walk away, don’t go for the medical, get rid of some of the stress it’s not worth it, ‘they’ will cause you even more stress by failing you and trying to make you work, they won’t listen to your domestic circumstances, they are not interested, all they want to do is ‘save the government money’ if you try to change the appointment, it will just be a refusal (it has taken me an hour just to type this)

    Comment by enough to worry about at this time....... — October 16, 2012 @ 9:07 am

  477. Hi etwaatt.

    Demand a home visit, if you can get your GPs support in the form of a fax to ATOS, then they will have to concede, not without a bit of a struggle, but it can be done..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 16, 2012 @ 12:15 pm

  478. Thanks DWPExam. As didn’t go for ATOS medical (they caved in eventually, cancelled home visit and recording after fax number 2 from doc and letter from MP, and sent my papers back to DWP for a decision) plus therefore no appeal, the DWP have come to their decision very quickly and with no ATOS recommendations. A week free of worry would be good. A year brilliant and more…….now don’t be silly Jen!!!! I’ll just go and take my realistic pills. X

    Comment by Jen — October 16, 2012 @ 4:01 pm

  479. Jen,,,Stick to your guns, they always cave in first, it all depends on how determined you are to stick it out..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 16, 2012 @ 9:20 pm

  480. Always determined. Just too knackered to fight the good fight morning noon and night! Will keep fingers and toes crossed and see what happens. No doubt I’ll talk to you before Xmas. Carry on the good work DWPExam. How’s Jean? Not seen her on here much recently? Have a good week. Will keep you UTD as nec. XXXX

    Comment by Jen — October 16, 2012 @ 9:46 pm

  481. Hi dwpexam. Got my letter from DWP this morning laying out details of being put in Support Group. I have been told that it has been awarded for 18 months from 30/9/2012 and I will not have to go back until at least then. Should I put the flags out or get the boxing gloves out? Sounds good news for the first time in months. Hope you are well. XXX

    Comment by Jen — October 17, 2012 @ 6:43 pm

  482. Any good news is welcome where the DWP are concerned Jen, at the moment they are chock a block with all the assessments they have to do, once they start running out of victims the circus starts again, so just don’t get complacent and be ready, they can strike anytime.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 17, 2012 @ 11:14 pm

  483. Hi dwp. Got dates from DWP rep I talked to on phone when I rang up to query point in letter. Should i ring again and ask them to send 18 months info out in writing or should I just leave it for now? Never sure if by asking I do the wrong thing. Jen XXX

    Comment by Jen — October 18, 2012 @ 11:58 am

  484. Hello Jen.

    How did you know in the first place you were safe for 18 months ? it should be in writing, if someone told you on the phone then take that with a pinch of salt, it’s not worth the paper it isn’t written on.
    You need it in writing, if you don’t have it in writing then you have nothing, he said and she said is just not good enough.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 18, 2012 @ 1:41 pm

  485. I’ll ring and ask them to put it in writing. Thank you. X

    Comment by Jen — October 18, 2012 @ 5:36 pm

  486. Are they likely to turn down request for proof in writing of the 18 months they’ve told me on the phone I have been awarded support allowance for? Is it a legitimte request or are they more likely to say no? Thank you for your help. Night night. XXX

    Comment by Jen — October 18, 2012 @ 10:10 pm

  487. Hello Jen.

    Who is this person you were talking to on the phone ? did they identify them-self ? chances are you don’t even know the persons name, you could have been talking to the tea lady for all you know.
    All I’m saying is this, you have nothing if it’s not in writing, and even if it was in writing ATOS/DWP can and often do renege on everything they say and that’s reneging on what’s spoken or written.
    The DWP are a penny pinching joke outfit that have the authority from the Government to deny peoples rights and break the law whenever it suits them, some people in the DWP obey the law to the letter, but most don’t and are brainwashed and programmed to obey the will of the person above them in the pecking line, much like the Hitler youth in the 1930s Germany.

    So you have nothing to lose by asking in a letter how long you have been granted ESA, the worst that can happen is they write back and say ”We don’t know” with that at least you know where you stand.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 19, 2012 @ 8:04 am

  488. Got the name of the guy I spoke to on Tuesday. Phoned them this morning and they said they would send out a letter confirming the 18 months straightaway for me. Thank you for advice.X

    Comment by Jen — October 19, 2012 @ 1:07 pm

  489. Hi once again ,I commented on here on September 12, 2012 @ 9:53 pm .. Well today had my decision ,I have been refused both components ,so now gone from high rate both to nothing at all .I am in a state here ,crying depressed ,letter was dated for 11 october and my entitlement ended 11 october .Nothing I told the examiner who came to my home was taken into account as the decision contradicted everything I told him and everything I wrote on my claim form ,anmd certainly would not reflect upon my medical records had they requested them ,also in the mail today a letter off motability to arrange collection of the car in about 4 weeks time ,this is making me even more ill than ..Any advise please

    Comment by nikki — October 19, 2012 @ 11:36 pm

  490. Buy one share in atos- then you can look at their directors contracts and fuck them at a share holders AGM

    Comment by beresford smith — October 20, 2012 @ 12:01 am

  491. Hello nikki.

    You need to appeal immediately, send the DWP a letter (You can phone as well) and explain you wish to appeal and could they please send to you the relevant appeal form and ATOS assessment report.
    Also try and get help from welfare rights or the CAB, alternatively you can log in to our sister forum for excellent advice on what to do next etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 20, 2012 @ 8:45 am

  492. Thank you ,which is your sister site please ..Nikki

    Comment by nikki — October 20, 2012 @ 12:51 pm

  493. Sorry nikki…meant to stick it on there, so it’s http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 20, 2012 @ 3:01 pm

  494. My friend has been called for his medical and he doesn’t know what happens if he gets suspended? Does he still get Housing/council tax benefit when he is on the ESA assessment rate? I wasn’t too sure, felt it best to ask you!

    Comment by Stressed Out Bear — October 24, 2012 @ 3:41 pm

  495. hi dwp i could use some advice, 2 days ago i got a phone call from the dwp saying i have been placed in the suport group and the was a letter explaining this on the way.
    the letter came today but i dont understand it, on the how the employment and support allowance has been work out, at the end of it, it says the amounts on this page apply from 13 november 2012 to 26 november 2012 ?.
    dose this mean i dont recive it after then ?

    Comment by Anonymous — October 24, 2012 @ 4:25 pm

  496. does a list of questions that you wil be asked exist anywhere?

    Comment by Anonymous — October 24, 2012 @ 5:46 pm

  497. Stressed out bear…Yes he does, he will get what he was getting before as far as housing and council tax is concerned.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 24, 2012 @ 9:26 pm

  498. Hello Anonymous.

    There is no such a thing as a list of questions, every assessment is different and depends on your illness, but there is such a thing as patterns, so you can learn the typical patterns that ATOS use, that will save you wasting yourself banging your head of a brick wall trying to think up on possible question lists that don’t exist.

    Check in here to our sister site and they will help you with anything you need to ask http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 24, 2012 @ 9:32 pm

  499. I am dreading this i am waiting to be transferred over to the new system, my gp thinks it will be straight transfer, I dread the thought of having to have a tribunal, i have had one before, but i don’t really come under any specialist care, so my gp is the main one, I have an advocate and have found out that once i get support they would like to drop me, my gp thinks its good that i have one, but at the moment my advocate won’t come to a medical if i get called, wondering if i should left the heating of, i only heat one room as it is, i am terrified. My friend is trying to work out some one who would go with me, who would cope with it, and my history whos not going to freak out. Thanks for the info

    Comment by Anonymous — November 3, 2012 @ 8:58 am

  500. Hello Anonymous.

    It’s good to see your GP has full confidence in ATOS and their henchman at the DWP, since your GP knows you and therefore fully understands your health problems then if you are not transferred over smoothly then your GP should shut up and stop speaking rubbish about ATOS.DWP, most GPs I’ve heard about so far understand nothing about ATOS and the benefits system, they just sit there at their little tables spouting about this that and the next thing, and when you tell him/her that it didn’t go smoothly they look shocked.

    So let’s hope your GP isn’t just spouting.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 3, 2012 @ 9:22 am

  501. Hi Jen
    I have been reading all the posts on here. The list goes on & on with what ATOS are doing, its just dreadful that they are making the sick & disabled suffer so much. Hope everything works out ok for you real soon. I have just signed a petiotion & sent it to 50 freinds to sign as goverment are doing away with DLA in April next year. And handing over to ATOS to do medicals on everyone claiming DLA. Suppose we are all to chucked off that saving goverment more money. Wonder whats on the agenda after that :(
    Sorry not been on for a while but i was sixty in october & family thought i would be benifit from a 2 week holiday in Turkey where it was 30+ degrees. To help me destress after all the goings on with ATOS medicals etc. I ended up in a Turkish hospital for 2 & half days with food poisoning thought i wasnt going to survive as so ill. They let me fly home finally but i am still recovering from the ordeal. Hotel was dreadful (All inclusive) Turned into holiday from hell. Cant wait for this year to end & hopefully next one will be much brighter for everyone.I have been on the support group for a couple of months now, but still wait for the postman to bring me a white letter putting me all through it again. Its always in the back of your mind when is it going to happen. But for the time being i am enjoying the peace lol!!! Thankyou so much dwpexamination for all your help & very sound advise. You do a wonderful job on here. Your help & kindness is endless to so many of us. I still say you would make a great prime minister. :)

    Comment by Jean 56 — November 3, 2012 @ 6:06 pm

  502. Hey, I was just wondering. If my claim to ESA is suspended due to not passing the WCA, if I ring the DWP and are put on the assessment rate, how quickly is that done? Is it instant and I carry on getting paid fortnightly like normal until the DWP see sense?

    Comment by Justin — November 3, 2012 @ 9:49 pm

  503. Hi Justin.

    As soon as you send the DWP your GL24 appeal form and supply them with a sickline they usually get right on it quite quickly, there’s no guarantees though, everything is slow with the DWP Justin.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2012 @ 3:07 am

  504. Howdy Jean…Thanks for that, hope next year is a better one.
    When you finally do get the white envelope, remember to ask for the assessment to be recorded, that will gain you some time before you are assessed, the longer you wait to be assessed the longer you stay in that support group.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2012 @ 3:11 am

  505. @ Justin

    Trouble is you’ll only get £71 a week while you’re appeallng

    Comment by bruce — November 4, 2012 @ 6:26 pm

  506. my appeal as been going since june, i have written to the manager named on the letter and no reply..

    Comment by derek — November 4, 2012 @ 6:29 pm

  507. Derek…The appeal service will inform you around two weeks before they decide to fit you in to their busy schedule.
    Once the DWP hand over your appeal to the appeal service it’s out of their hands.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2012 @ 8:38 pm

  508. Jean! Jean! Jean! What are we going to do with you?! You can’t even go on a supposedly relaxing holiday without something medical happening to you! You wally. Seriously my friend, I hope you are back to good health, or at least how you were before you went away. I’ll have to get dwpexam to give you a good talking to. Missed you tho’. Dwpexam was right when he/she said that it would not be easy to get letter from DWP confirming I have been put in support group for 18 months. Like getting blood out of a stone. Going to give them til mid week then write to them. I have the 3 names of the people I have spoken to. The first 2 said it started 30/9/12 for 18 months and would write out to me. The 3rd who sounded a right doylam said it was from 11/9/12 for 18 months but I would’ have to wait until I had been notified of the award as I had not been awarded it yet! After I read him out the award letter I had in front of me he said he would get a letter of date confirmation out to me asap. Obviously his asap is not the same as mine….or yours!

    Please look after yourself and continue to get better. Hope you don’t mind me using theis site dwpex to contact Jean as I don’t have her e mail address and want to keep in touch. Carry on the good work and don’t forget, if you do take up the political baton, Jean and I are ready to be your groupies….subject to health of course….and jean getting herself some green tights!!!! Night everyone. Thinking of you. XXXXXXX

    Comment by Jen — November 4, 2012 @ 9:56 pm

  509. hi thanks for the reply, i suppose its in their interest to drag it out if they pay less while you wait, i may not have helped myself much by sending an email to the primeminister to complain :)

    Comment by derek — November 5, 2012 @ 7:08 am

  510. Hello Derek.

    Don’t worry about anything you send to the Prime Minister to complain, the asshole wont even have read it anyway.

    The way to look at it is this…It always baffles me when I read about people who complain that ATOS haven’t called for them to be assessed yet, it’s as if they think ATOS are going to make them an exception and find them unfit for work, it always shocks them when they find out the awful truth.

    I say…Why hurry to get on the train to Bergen Belsen.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 5, 2012 @ 8:02 am

  511. Hi Jen
    I got a letter from the appeal court within a week saying i won the appeal to go in the support group. But was to be revised within 3 months. Its been that now but not had a white letter yet. So thats good longer the better for me lol!! But even though i heard from the court saying i was in support group it took 6 weeks for DWP to contact me stating it & about how much money. Had all my money back dated which was a nice surprise & much needed after living on £67.50 for months & a few months of £71 when it went up. Hope you don’t have to wait to long before yours is sorted.
    My friends said same as you nothing goes right for me with health problems. Gonna wrap up in cotton wool lol!! I feel much stronger now & eating better. Just have to get some weight put back on before i fall down a drainhole :)

    I would love to be with you as groupie for dwpexamination. Him/her i am saving my pee green tights lol!!!

    Take good care

    Comment by Jean 56 — November 5, 2012 @ 6:06 pm

  512. dwpexamination
    Thanks for your advise. I will deffo ask for it to be recorded after the last fiasco with the Atos doctor. I know they hate us asking for it to be recorded & so many are demanding it now. It must really screw them up.

    I read that there is a bit of an outcry with the DLA And that Atos are going to be doing the medicals for DLA when it is abolished in April 2013 to be replaced by PIP. They say Atos has not got it but 4 other companies are in the running for it. But my guess is Atos has already got it. God help us all on DLA thats the next thing for us all to worry about as this goverment are having a right old hayday depriving us sick/ disabled of everything.

    I have signed the petition to stop the reform on DLA.Just hope with the thousands of signatures we can stop this goverment before they ruin many more lives with all the changes in such a short space of time..

    Comment by Jean 56 — November 5, 2012 @ 6:18 pm

  513. Jean.

    Requesting a recording not only puts them under pressure but ensures they know you are not a mug that doesn’t know her rights.

    Moreover a recording request can delay your assessment for an extra couple of weeks while they kid themselves on that they are trying to fit you in for a recorded assessment, the longer you stay on benefits the better it is for you..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 5, 2012 @ 7:24 pm

  514. Thanks for the advise. I will do anything to annoy the Atos idiots.I just wish i asked for it to be recorded on my last one. Then i may not have had to go through the ordeal of tribunal court.

    Comment by Jean 56 — November 5, 2012 @ 11:13 pm

  515. My mother put in a reassesment ESA50 form although she was not sent data by ATOS that this was a reassesment. ATOS conctact my mothers GP as she had informed ATOS and DWP the form would be delayed, this was told to her whilst she was complaining to JCP. JCP emailed her to say ATOS have contacted her GP. Short time later she was being called for a assessment 4th june 12, she asked for the assesment to be recorded. My in the meantime my mother did a foi request at her GP surgery to find out what her GP had written about her to ATOS to casue a medical assessment being made for a face to face as she was so ill. Also in the meantime emails were sent to ATOS about making sure they would do a recording and to verfiy this. In FOI paper work later it is seen in emails to each other all there quiptment is broken and will take 6 weeks to mend. Not telling my mother ATOS sent another appointment telling her appointment of 4/6/12 has been cancelled and put the appointment a day after my mothers birhtday, as her birthday is on a sunday they put it the next day. In 2009 they did this to her just to get at her and out it on her birthday so she would worry and be upset which they all know at ATOS it does. Anyway whilst all this was happening my mother and i went to the GP she saw the ESA113 and aksed for a copy which they gave her. On the way home as my mother was reading it she saw that the GP had made a serious mistake!
    She listed my mothers condtions servere reacurring depression, agrophobia and cannot go out without daughter. Also my mother incotincence. But on the next page it says list condtions that do not effect work(basically) and the GP listed her conditions in here(she had thought misread it meant NOT work with). This ESA113 was seen by a HCP in May and other HCP’s and did not see the mistake. It was evidencet alone the incotnicence was a support group anyway to the HCP’s. My mother who is not a Dr phoned the GP surgery and told them of the GP mistake the GP was so sorry what she had done she faxed a letter to ATOS pointing out her mistake and that my mother was not fit with her conditions.

    Atos wrote to my mother a horrible letter saying One of out full time MA has reviewed your case again and provided an opinion based upon the information in your file and on receipt of furhter medical evidence from you GP. On this occasion it is not necessery for you to have a medical assessment.

    I apolgise for the inconveience caused. You appointment has been cancelled.

    So all the HCP’s at ATOS who saw the ESA113 and the ESA50 could not tell the GP had made a mistake, what is that saying about HCP’s looking at correspondence.

    So anyway the Nurse passed my mother into a support group on 15th June 12 this was found out in a FOI request of May 12 which should not have effected the DM in June 12. Nurse put a return to work within 6 months although my mother has had mental health problems for about 30 years worsening in 2009 with an attempted suicide and full bladder loss daily due to ATOS and JCP stoppin her benefits weeks before major sugery also where she had a huge mass on her ovary that was twisted into her back nerves and bladder.

    31st August 12 JCP sent a letter to my mother saying she was in support group and would not be applied until 28th September 12.
    As she had an extra componant of £14.99 they said nothing about backdateing this either.
    When they stopped her IS/IB on 27th September her next payment was in two weeks, when she went to the bank there was no money.
    She came home and an email was sent to JCP, she had no answer next day she had enough and phoned district office and spoke to a staff memember she had been in correspondance for some years. He was nice and she said she did not want any lies or excuses she wants to know why her benefits were stopped, she was told he would find out and give her the truth of matters. He was good to his word, he found that JCP just did not apply the ESA payments after stopping the IB/IS and would bring this to the manger and overlook my mothers payments for some weeks so they are paid correctly. In all the 3 and half years of complaints with JCP which are all in London at mo with PHSO this was the first time JCP were honeset and my mother was happy with the outcome. JCP should act like this all time and then matters would not be taken to ICE and PHSO.

    Anyway, my mother emailed JCP to have the decsion looked at again to only pay her from 28th September 12. As she had been passed on 15th June 12, although ATOS had her assessment form in the May 12. She argued that if she had been found fit for work they would have stopped her benfits on the day the DM made their decsion. But it would seem the DM made a decsion on 31st Augsut 12 and then applied the ESA with extra benefit from 28th september 12.

    She was sent a letter and told as the conversion from IB to ESA the rules are different. We are required to set a future effective date, ensuring the claimant remains on their orignal benefit until that point. The effective date is never the date of the WCA Assessment, it is always the DM date which is covered by pay period plus another pay period, generally 3-6 weeks in the future of the decsion.

    Due to your request under data protection all paper work was sent to the data officer as another office. We were unable to make a decsion without it, although an electonic report(ESA65) was available. there were other pieces of evidence we needed to see. So to enable to make a fair decsion we needed to see other evidence. (ESA50 and ESA65 was all they needed and ATOS sent this back to them)
    When we recieved the file back on 31st August 12 we completed the decsion giving an effective date of 28th September 09.
    The effective date is a sectrary of state decsion and therefore has no right of appeal. (so why send me a notification with appeal rights?) if your benefit had been reduced or remained the same on ESA you would not wish for this to be backdated. All cases are treated equally so increases and reductions all share the same effective date calculation.
    In your case we recieved your file from ATOS on 26th June 12. (hold on dont ATOS send it eletroncially like this person stated in this letter and do not ATOS have send their decsion ESA65 or ESA85 within 24hrs as stated in DWP and ATOS contract?) and had a immedate request to send to data protection officer, at this point we had not looked at your file. I have made a request to our policy team to see if there is anywhere in the law to state we change our decsion date to 28th june 12 giving an effective date 13th July 12. This would be the erliest date possible. However, out team will need to tell me if this can be done and this could take a few weeks.

    Anyone would like to comment on what has happened as the letter confuses me.

    I am sure because she has complained she will be called earlier than when she should i am sure, she is now used to ATOS and JCP doing things to her she has 10 major complaints with the Ombudsman from 2009 and ATOS complaints with Ombudsman who will not investigate them, even though they know underhanded things were done.

    Comment by E-22 — November 11, 2012 @ 12:09 pm

  516. Hello E.22.

    Your right, the DWP receive the ESA report immediately by computer on the spot, as soon as the claimant leaves the building.

    Let me tell you something about ATOS and the DWP, they are nothing but compulsive liars and criminals, don’t even bother trying to figure it all out, believe me it will drive you round the twist.

    Just get your dates sorted and get the money they owe her, and forget about them until the next time, all you want is the money, the rest isn’t worth the aggravation.

    As for the ombudsman ? they are nothing but a joke, they have no powers, everything is outside their remit, they insist you jump through every hoop available, and after you’ve done that, they direct you to your MP, and after that, they say there’s nothing they can do, have you tried such and such ?, on and on it goes and by this time years are passing.

    It’s all a con, they’re all in on it, they all know what’s going on, so that’s the DWP and ATOS, the appeal service, the ombudsman, all the MPs, and the CAB and the welfare rights, the whole lot, it’s like some sick joke, and they’re all having a laugh.

    The appeal service even have ATOS and other private health DRs on the panels, and they don’t tell you either, what’s impartial about that ? looking at fabricated assessment reports and stroking their chins trying to give the impression they are considering your case, when all the time they know fine well the ESA85 assessment report is a festival of lies. Then have the cheek, the audacity to turn round and give you lectures on how it’s all your fault for being ill in the first place.

    Don’t get me started on these bastards, I know what they are all about, and they know I know, I’ve told them all often enough.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 11, 2012 @ 1:19 pm

  517. Have just received a letter from JWP saying they will ring me. The number they have will not reach me. Do I have to ring them? I am very worried. I do not now anyone who could accompany me to an assessment. What should I do?

    Comment by Anonymous — November 12, 2012 @ 12:29 am

  518. Ty, dwpexaminations, the thing is if appeal rights are sent to you it means you can appeal the decsion, full stop. This lady at JCP (not the DM) is saying my mother cannot appeal the decsion the pay her ESA at support rate from 28th September 12, altough my mother sent a letter she wished the decsion to be looked at again as she had been given her appeal rights of the decsion.
    PHSO are investigating already to why a DM refused my mother appeal rights over a claim in 2009. So DM’s do get it wrong, lot think., well a DM said must be right, no its not.

    Comment by E-22 — November 12, 2012 @ 8:09 am

  519. Hello Anonymous.

    If the number they have will not reach you, then they can’t phone you can they, so they will be forced to write to you.
    So it’s up to you whether you should ring them or not, if it was me I would just ring them and get it over with, unless you don’t want the DWP to have your number.
    If you feel so bad that you cannot attend an assessment, then an alternative is a home visit, so see your GP about recommending a home visit to ATOS on your behalf.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 12, 2012 @ 8:33 am

  520. Hello E-22.

    There seems to be some confusion on my part here, your mother was refused appeal rights in 2009 and it is being looked into.

    At the moment she has been granted the support group of ESA and she wishes to appeal against that decision ? am I reading this correctly ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 12, 2012 @ 8:40 am

  521. Hi everyone well just finished reading all the comments! I am so worried and crying all the time, I myself have been on incapacity and DLA since 1996 due to a car accident, injured back and neck… since then other problems occurred I have fibromialgia and severe depression at the moment going through cognative therapy awaiting another foot operation!
    I have to go for my first assesment on the 12th December feel quite sick to be honest, I was thinking of a home visit could I do this now?? only some days with the fibromialgia I just cant move the pain is so intense.
    If I get taken off my benefits and pushed to the work force I dont know how I would cope actually I know I couldnt
    Its good to see though that I am not alone

    Comment by Helen — December 1, 2012 @ 10:37 am

  522. Hi Helen. This site is brilliant & so is the dwpexamination he/she. We get great help from this person. I myself could not have got through the last few months without his advise. My heart goes out to you. I am in similar medical situation to you from car accident in 1991. Causing severe back & neck problems then athritis affecting the damaged joints. I have had problems with the NHS for years. But battled on & finally got put on the ESA support group. Don’t know how long for, as i am sure another white letter will drop on my doorstep very soon. And then it starts all over again. I asked for home visit. My GP faxed them and i got one, so ask your doctor to fax them.I wish you luck with your assessment. The dwpexamination person i am sure will take you through all you need to know & do. xx

    Comment by Anonymous — December 1, 2012 @ 1:59 pm

  523. Hi
    Thank you for the comment, am I able to do this now then even though its only two weeks away?

    Comment by Helen — December 1, 2012 @ 2:16 pm

  524. Yes Helen i did after i got a date for assessment. They phoned me and made another apointment for home visit. But remember not all areas are the same as some don’t bother to phone from what i hear from others but may write. But go to doctors ask him to fax a reason why you need a home visit. You will soon hear back if they agree to one.

    Comment by Jean — December 1, 2012 @ 2:32 pm

  525. Hi Jean I will go see the doctor and ask him to do that…. It just isnt fair is it? if I could work I would :0(

    Comment by Helen — December 1, 2012 @ 5:59 pm

  526. Hi Helen Hope the doctor sorts it out for you.I agree its not fair but this goverment is hell bent on getting the sick & disabled back to some sort of work & off benifits. And totally disregarding how stressfull this is to so many of us. As you say if you could work you would. I miss my job in nursing but they medically retired me after a bad car crash. I am 60yrs old now and they still hassle me even though i should have retired this october. Something else they took off me for another 3yrs. But for 3 months now they have left me alone (shush they may hear me lol!!) Good luck for monday let me know what your doctor says xx

    Comment by Jean — December 1, 2012 @ 6:12 pm

  527. Hi Jean I too worked in the hospital I was a radiographer, and yes medically retired I am 50 so guess they think I have plenty of years in me!!
    I miss working too, I would trade the pain day in day out for a normal life any day… Thank you for your help Jean dont feel quite so alone now xx fingers crossed xx

    Comment by Helen — December 1, 2012 @ 6:15 pm

  528. Your never alone on here Helen. My fingers are crossed for you to x

    Comment by Jean — December 1, 2012 @ 6:22 pm

  529. i can confirm you can put your recording letter in on the day just to put a spanner in there works
    also if you want to be as nasty and vindictive as atos just ask for a home visit thats recorded
    they cant do it so you have them over a barrol

    Comment by annon — December 2, 2012 @ 10:59 pm

  530. Hi Jean Ive seen the doctor, my daughter took me this morning! I was in a state when I get there to be honest, he copied my letter and told me to leave it with him hes contacting them and told me not to he would sort this! oh gosh I think I should contact them shouldnt I??? just to let them know I will be requesting a home visit….. or do I leave it to my GP?? help xx

    Comment by Helen — December 3, 2012 @ 10:40 am

  531. Hi Helen Personally i would leave it for a few days then phone them. Just in case your doctor faxes them. You still have to the 12th dec. As many have said on this site. When you get your home visit ask to have it recorded. It takes them longer to sort it out then. If they refuse tell them its your right. I wish i had asked for it. The doctor missed out the important bits & so many lies. Hence the tribunal i had to go through and WON. Have a nice rest rest this afternoon. Goodluck xx

    Comment by Jean — December 3, 2012 @ 12:40 pm

  532. Jean Ive just had a phone call off ATOS!!!! they say I dont have to attend as my GP has called them!!! omg what does this mean???

    Comment by Helen — December 3, 2012 @ 4:11 pm

  533. Atos have said I have to do nothing and await a letter from the DWP not sure if this is totally positive but just want you all to know there are so awsome GPs out there!!!

    Comment by Helen — December 3, 2012 @ 4:21 pm

  534. Hi Helen I do hope its great news for you. But i’m sure it will be. You obviously have a great Doctor. xx

    Comment by Jean — December 4, 2012 @ 12:39 pm

  535. Hi, I do indeed, hes looked after me from day 1 … Im still a little apprehensive though I dont know how long for or what the actual outcome is….The GP hasnt been in touch and I cannot imagine what was said to make ATOS call me to say I no need attend and await a letter from DWP we will see … Thank you for your help and will keep you posted

    Comment by Helen — December 4, 2012 @ 12:43 pm

  536. Hope the outcome you get is good news xx

    Comment by Jean — December 4, 2012 @ 4:05 pm

  537. dwpexamination person I hope you are well. As not seen you on here for a while.

    Comment by Jean — December 4, 2012 @ 4:07 pm

  538. Helen…sounds like good news.
    There’s no good news for these poor victims of ATOS http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/protesters-blast-tory-cuts-and-claim-1471720

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 4, 2012 @ 8:23 pm

  539. Cheers Jean…am struggling on. lol.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 4, 2012 @ 8:24 pm

  540. Hi…… Well I am hoping so…. will have to wait for the DWP and see what they say, I am on DLA as well so hoping that will continue as I need all the help I can get, I have read some horror stories on here and to be honest its scared the life out of me.
    It just seems so unfair and people judge you without really knowing the full story! I am so glad I came across this forum I really am…. its invaluable to us all thank you x

    Comment by Helen — December 4, 2012 @ 8:28 pm

  541. Hi Helen.

    Go over to our sister forum and get great help there too.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 4, 2012 @ 9:23 pm

  542. dwpexamination Glad to hear your ok :)

    Comment by Jean — December 5, 2012 @ 12:37 pm

  543. Cheers Jean….I want to stay alive long enough to see the ATOS scum descend into the fiery pit.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 5, 2012 @ 1:24 pm

  544. God willing so do i & others on here. And if Atos scum do descend into a fiery pit I will get totally blathered lol!! :)

    Comment by Jean — December 5, 2012 @ 1:54 pm

  545. Hello Im new here and really hope someone can help me. I have my Atos appeal this Friday coming ( Dec 7th ) Im absolutely dreading it,
    I have several illnesses that affect my mobility every day.
    I had to leave a good job because I could no longer work at my desk even on a part time basis. I tried for over a year and was in agony constantly.
    I went for my Atos medical last Nov (2011) before my diagnosis off my illness. At this point I was only on DLA Low care.. Since it has been upped to High mobility too as iv got considerably worse. I now have walking aids , rails in and out off my house ( Im only 36yrs old single mum to a teenager and a toddler ) .
    Everyday is a struggle physically and emotionally , The depression and anxiety is at a high and this appeal is making it worse.
    PLEASE can some give me pointers for my appeal on what I can/cant do and what to expect.
    A friend is coming with me who has known me before I got poorly .
    Any advice or info you can give me will be appreciated. Im not sleeping ,.
    Thank you in advance

    Comment by mummy76 — December 6, 2012 @ 12:05 am

  546. Mummy.

    You didn’t mention if you are appealing for ESA ?.
    The panel will want to know why you can’t work and will reference what you say with what you wrote on your ATOS questionnaire you filled in a while back, they will ask questions on your daily living and how your mobility affects you, for instance typical questions they ask is how far you can walk before you need to rest to seek relief, same with standing and sitting etc, and can you prepare meals, how do you manage stairs, how can you do your shopping, how can you look after the toddler if you cannot look after yourself ? so obviously you can answer that you are lucky because your elder child helps.
    They will not be asking your friend any questions regarding your ability to work.
    Can I ask, have you not got any representation like welfare rights or the CAB ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 6, 2012 @ 7:21 am

  547. Hi mummy76
    I am no expert but what I can say is that people on here are supportive and have some very good advice, I was told to get a home visit as arriving at the centre almost automatically deems you fit!
    Having children doesnt help either, as they will ask if you can prepare a meal and so on, they arent interested in the medical condition more of what you can do!
    I know how you feel I truly do…. im battling with the depression they dont care!
    See if you can get your GP to fax them and say you are unfit t attend, I had that valuable advise
    I wish you well and take care x

    Comment by Helen — December 6, 2012 @ 7:24 am

  548. Hi dwpexam. How are you? I did as you suggested on 18/10/12 and asked them to put 18 months award in writing. Have now been told by 6 DWP staff that it’s no prob…..still waiting. have also sent them req in a recorded delivery. Have been told they have sent 4 letters out to me. Funny…they have not arrived!!!

    Today I finally got what I thought was my letter confirming award period and it turned out to be a copy of a DWP sheet confirming that I have been put in Support group, not for how long!

    Should I write again, or leave it? Don’t want to draw attention to myself but being cynical would like to see 18 months in writing. Asked my solicitor and he says write again…and says I can mention I have spoken to him in the letter and give his address. Could the C.A.B. help? Or shall I just write out again? Thank you for your help. JXXX

    Comment by Jen — December 12, 2012 @ 6:00 pm

  549. Hi Jen.

    Best to get that confirmation in writing, anything else is not worth the paper it’s not written on.
    The CAB will certainly help you, they may even advise if the written confirmation from the DWP in their experience is worth bothering with.
    You have nothing to lose, they have granted the support group so they can’t really take it back can they ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 12, 2012 @ 9:32 pm

  550. I know they’ve given it to me for 18 months. You know they’ve given it to me for 18 months. My worry, being cynical, is that they will ‘forget’ they’ve given it to me for 18 months and come back next month…! Wonder whether to go back to my MP again as he seemed to help with the DWP last time. Don’t really want to bother him if I can help it. Will phone CAB tomorrow and see what they say. Want it in writing. 6 people have said it’s no prob and 6 people can’t get a letter out! Night dwpexam. Thank you. XXX

    Comment by Jen — December 12, 2012 @ 10:13 pm

  551. Hi I got my sick note today but I called the welfare rites up n he told me that I would not get any points for walking Evan tho I can’t walk much at all without bad pain ? Is this rite ? He said coz you can use a wheel chair ? Thank u

    Comment by Lee — December 13, 2012 @ 11:22 am

  552. Well that’s right, and it’s difficult to see a way round it, there’s nothing to lose by saying you cannot gather momentum in your back or wrists.
    But last week I spoke to a man just out the tribunal service and he was on crutches, he lost his ESA, and when I asked why that could be possible ? he replied because I didn’t have an effective answer to why I couldn’t propel a wheelchair.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 13, 2012 @ 5:15 pm

  553. Why am I not seeing any comments about steroid medications which actually make exisiting illnesses even worse with long term side effects such as Prednisone and its classical kidney toxicity and immune system dysfunction. For many also long term immune suppression medications can cause family members/ carers to be at risk of contracting infections. The NHS cannot afford to explore new safer treatment options and the government often remind us that our NHS is what makes this country the envy of others. I agree only that our emergency services are invaluable but the successful claims for negligence in general medicine were valued at around 300 million last year.

    Docs often use palliative treatments because their prime objective is to get people back to their jobs asap such as Multiple Sclerosis etc, but relapse will return faster as it is proven in peer reviewed literature. Medications roll off the prescription pad to the delight of government and drug companies.
    Some of our NHS standard practice is 50 years old!! If our government want us fit for work let them create a health service which reflects optimal function and up to date treatments particularly for inflammatory diseases which need special assessments.

    Stress increases disease processes. Learn how to measure this in the vulnerable ..as a community.

    Come on people, take charge of this matter as a community orientated towards solutions. Central government have no humanity if ATOS is executing its brief as it clealry appears. Your silence affects so many. No person should be afraid to leave on the heating in winter or fear dying when too ill to cook a meal or have their house taken from them by an outsider. Whom have you permitted to take over your country to this extent? Health is a vulnerable thing and can disappear overnight for any of us. Do we really approve of this kind of suffering in order to compensate for a deficit we have played no part in creating?

    Comment by emily hope — December 17, 2012 @ 4:33 am

  554. I have just attened an ATOS medical at Wingfield House Portsmouth in my wheelchair (I live in Havant) where I have been annually for medicals for my lung problem (I have an Industrial Injuries Benefit, ‘for life’ since turning 60) and was told that wheelchair people are now banned from the 2nd floor which I should have read in the ATOS letter. As I had been to this location many times I assumed it was just blurb, but it seems the building has a new ‘fire’ policy. I was told that I would recieve anothe appointment after Xmas and would have to go all the way to Southampton (ground floor apparantly). I have a letter stating my Industrial Injury Ben is ‘for life’ – I also recieved (after recent DWP form I had to fill in) a result of same stating that my DLA is being paid at the correct rare and there would be no change in the amount of money they pay me – this dated 5th November this year. Will I lose both of these benefits if ATOS say I can work ? It doesnt seem to make sense that the ATOS form demanding a medical arrives just days after this DWP decision ? Also, I have a Social Security Appeal Tribunal decision from 1995 stating I am incapable of work for life – does this now mean nothing ? Thanks for all your good work (If I lose my Motability car and my benefits I shall seriously consider ending it all. That way these ATOS problems will all dissapear !

    Comment by robert habens — December 20, 2012 @ 2:08 pm

  555. Hi Robert i can answer your question about DLA. I was found fit for work twice over the years & my benifits stopped.I then had to sign on as unemplyed. But i NEVER lost my DLA and they do not contact them.So do not worry about that. I was medically retired from any kind of work for life but that made no difference to ATOS. Good luck on your tribuna appeal.Have you thought of asking for a home visit. Tell them that you cannot get to Southampton because of your disabilities. Get your doctor to fax them asking for one. I am sure your doctor would with your disibilities. Also as been stated on here a few times. Ask to have your medical recorded. Wish i did as so many lies when i received a copy of my medical.I wish you well.x

    Comment by Jean — December 20, 2012 @ 3:02 pm

  556. Hi Jean, thank you for you prompt reply. At least I will keep my DLA — does anyone know if I will keep my Industrial Injuries Benefit ? (which isnt a great amount) and will they take these into account, reducing their derisory payments further because I get these other benefits ? Unfortunatly my doctor of many years has retired and moved away – his replacement is a young Chinese chap who knows nothing of my history. I don’t like the idea of a home visit as I would dread having these awfull people invading my home space !!!! Thanks again for your good work, Merry Christmas, Robert

    Comment by robert — December 21, 2012 @ 6:10 am

  557. Oh, and one other thing, I am 64 in April – would I be better off giving up all sickness claims and going on ‘pension credits’ ? If so, how do I go about it ? Robert

    Comment by robert — December 21, 2012 @ 3:48 pm

  558. Hi Robert You cannot claim pension credit early any more. You only get it when you actually retire if you are short in your pension benifit.

    Comment by Jean — December 21, 2012 @ 6:05 pm

  559. how can anyone receive no points at all, that alone should send up flares that there is something wrong with the present system.

    my wife has just received her next letter to go for assessment, in March this year she won her last assessment after Atos report gave her Zero points, now its all starting again.

    seems that despite the appeal panel (who are independantly appointed) reversing Atos decision and getting full refund with no improvemant to her condition they want to make her suffer through this again (mental health issues should be exempt from these people and only fully qualified experts should make decisions on these cases.

    Comment by Anonymous — December 22, 2012 @ 4:35 pm

  560. ATOS should be exempt and the problem is solved..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 22, 2012 @ 6:33 pm

  561. I’m surprised that MOTOBILITY is not kicking up a stink – they must be getting thousands of cars back before the 3 year contract is ended. I shall certainly miss mine when it goes back in a couple of weeks time. PS, can’t get on to your other site for some reason, regards, Robert

    Comment by robert — December 28, 2012 @ 2:18 pm

  562. i have just had a doctor in my house from atos to assess me for dla award, i currently get high rate mobility and middle rate care. i also have an assessment on the 3rd of jan from atos to see if i am to go on the support group. i cannot walk more than 20 yards as i broke my back.my esa stopped in april as they said my partner earns enough money for the both of us.£850 a month,and we have to pay rent out of that.if i lose my car,i will be totally stuck in my house, i do drive but find it near impossible to nowadays so luckily my partner passed her test this year and drives me places.i have had loads of tests this years and it looks like i have to have the metal plates and bolts taken out of my back and re done as they say i have too much nerve damage and scar tissue.im totally dreading going to the assessment as i still dont know how im getting to the assessment as i hve just read i cant go there in a wheelchair(on this site),i will ring them tomorrow and see what they can do. ps great site by the way

    Comment by mark — December 28, 2012 @ 6:48 pm

  563. Cheers Mark…You just might have to appeal so be ready for possible bad news.
    You can get help here too http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 29, 2012 @ 1:31 am

  564. To dwpexamination & everyone on this fantastic site. I hope you have all had a good christmas. I sincerely wish you all a better year for 2013 .xx

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — December 29, 2012 @ 10:40 am

  565. Thanks Jean…and happy new year to you too..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 29, 2012 @ 12:16 pm

  566. i was on esa last year because of difficult asthma, my asthma became controlled and i went back to work part time.in may. my esa stopped. my asthma did not really settle down long enough and because of it i lost my job at the end of october. i applied for esa again and was told i could not have any payments until i had a medical assessment. i am still waiting for the assessment and it is now january, still no payments. i have had benefits tell me to get medical certificate, which i did, the gp dated it from the 1st november to 1st february. benefits have got this certificate but still say i have to wait for assessment before they can make a payment. i have even had advice from benefits to go on jsa, which i cant because i have medical certificate saying im unfit for work. i am starting a trial drug with my consultant which is for 6 months to try and control my asthma as present drugs are not controlling it. dont get me wrong, i do have good days as well as bad, but i cant predict these, so how on earth am i supposed to hold a job down. how on earth am i supposed to survive without any money at all, because my daughter is on jsa and i have another daughter who fortunately started work in november. surely im entitled to some payment to get me by? if the assessment says i can go for jsa what about all the weeks ive had no money, am i entitled to anything?

    Comment by janice — January 2, 2013 @ 12:16 pm

  567. Janice.

    I’m not sure what’s happening in your particular case, every person who applies for ESA should get the assessment rtae of £71 a week until they are assessed by ATOS, this can supposedly last for at least 13 weeks, sometimes even longer, so I can suggest you contact the CAB or your local welfare rights office make an appointment and find out what’s going on.
    Don’t rely on anything the DWP tell you, we have found them to be compulsive liars, and on no account to be trusted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 2, 2013 @ 2:45 pm

  568. Thank you I will make an appointment. They are saying I cant have any payments until I have this assessment because I am applying for ESA again within 6 months of receiving my last payment for the same illness.

    Comment by janice — January 2, 2013 @ 4:32 pm

  569. But they can’t say that if your illness has worsened since the last time’ or you have another new illness.
    See what the welfare people think, it’s dreadful isn’t it, either a persons ill or they’re not.
    Why has everything got to be hard work and torture dealing with these people ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 2, 2013 @ 6:50 pm

  570. Hi all! Can someone please give me some advice! I had my medical on the 18th dec 2012! I had a home visit she came in sat down looked at me and sad aww your not well i can see that so im not going to stay long she asked me about 5 questions then left! I still havent heard back (how long does it usually take for the results?) she came out because i suffer with mental health issues! Dont know weather im coming or going! Its the waiting for the results i dont like! Its worse as i had it just before xmas! Its driving me insane with worry! :-(

    Comment by Mrs f — January 5, 2013 @ 2:27 pm

  571. Hello Mrs f.

    It can take any amount of time before the DWP get back to you with a decision, sometimes it’s a week and sometimes it’s a month or two.
    One things for sure they wont forget you, and no news is good news.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 5, 2013 @ 8:04 pm

  572. Thanks for your reply! Im just worried about the fact she didn’t carry out the full medical i must be honest i hadn’t slept for day’s as i worried sick about what was going to happen when the came to do the medical! What usually happen’s when then do a medical as i have no idea? Once again thank’s for your reply

    Comment by Mrs f — January 7, 2013 @ 2:57 am

  573. If Atos should find in my favour, will my ‘old’ benefit payments stop and the ‘new’ type replace them automatically ?

    Comment by robert — January 7, 2013 @ 11:06 am

  574. If ATOS instruct the DWP to find in your favour then yes you will go straight on to ESA, because IB is being phased out.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 7, 2013 @ 11:14 am

  575. Mrs f.

    First of all they don’t do a medical, they do what’s called a functional assessment on your ability to work.
    And that can take ten seconds or an hour, so don’t worry about any adverse results because the ATOS remit is to force you to appeal or get of sickness benefits anyway, as you can figure out for yourself it’s not just you, we are all in the same boat.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 7, 2013 @ 11:31 am

  576. Ok thanks for the reply! I’v just read so many horrible story’s about atos that when it came to the medical i was dreading what they was going to say and do to me! No wonder she left so quickly i was so scared and nervous that i probably came across like a fruitnut and she was probably worried that i might try and kill her or something i looked as if i had just escaped from a mental hospital! Even my husband said she looked freaked out because of the way i was! Im just waiting for the worse as i have read the most appaling story’s! I’d rather know if im not getting it than wait around waiting! At least then i can get on with finding out how to appeal! Thank’s again

    Comment by Mrs f — January 7, 2013 @ 12:10 pm

  577. I have been told I am capable to find work I am epileptic, type 2 diabetic, suffer depression and often in pain, I cant afford to appeal the decision yet after being ill 19 years who is gonna employ me?

    Comment by jeri austin — January 7, 2013 @ 12:38 pm

  578. jeri.

    What do you mean you cannot afford to appeal ? It costs nothing to appeal, just get a GL24 form and your ESA85 assessment report and compose an appeal.
    If you don’t the DWP will forget all about you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 7, 2013 @ 5:18 pm

  579. Because if I appeal my money will drop and if I dont win I’m out of pocket! So best live with what I am dealt even though I know no one would employ me and I know it will make me worse

    Comment by jeri austin — January 7, 2013 @ 7:00 pm

  580. jeri.

    So let me get this straight, you don’t want to appeal because your money will drop to £71 a week, and the alternative is to live on nothing.
    Therefore you would rather live on nothing ? well ok jeri, I wont argue with you, I’ll let you get on with it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 7, 2013 @ 7:18 pm

  581. its because on work esa i will have near what i get now and if i appeal it will drop to 71, even though i know im unable to work myself there is no guarentee i would win so i would rather stick with what they say than not know how i would survive on pratically nothing! dla next! bet i can guess what happens there! they punish us because we are disabled etc anyone would think we asked to be this way crazy huh x

    Comment by jeri austin — January 7, 2013 @ 7:56 pm

  582. that should be work based esa rather than support (which i genuinly do feel i should be on)

    Comment by jeri austin — January 7, 2013 @ 7:57 pm

  583. Well that’s up to you jeri, all I can say is if I thought I should be in the support group then they would have my appeal in the first instance, no hesitation, on the spot so to speak.
    Not appealing whenever you are in the right suggests to them that you are a soft touch to be messed around in the future when they feel like it.

    You could end up like the mythical bird in the gilded cage…to be fed whenever it’s master wished..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 7, 2013 @ 11:28 pm

  584. That’s very dramatic lol, I understand where jeri is coming from she needs the money as no other means to support herself ( partner, savings , etc ) but she needs some encouragement to appeal because in the long run its in her best interest , but don’t bite her head off after all she is just scared like the rest of us ,
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    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — January 8, 2013 @ 12:01 am

  585. Hi jeri. Were you put in the work related activity group or told you were entitled to nothing?

    I ask because I was initially put in the work related group when being transfered from incapacity benefit, and appealed successfully to get put in the support group. I remained on the incapacity rate until the appeal was over, and now get more money than before. My local CAB were very helpful.

    Whatever your situation, I know that this whole exercise is exhausting and stressful, but don’t let them cheat you out of money you are ENTITLED to.

    Comment by SaRahRah — January 8, 2013 @ 12:06 am

  586. hi i was put in the work related catagory, i am male 41yo suffer epilepsy, type 2 diabetes, depression and on cocodamol for pain. my worry is if i appeal my money drops to 71 a week which is a drop of 80 pound or something and theres no guarentee i would win my appeal so thats my reasoning for accepting the decision even though i never know when i will have a fit as its caused through stress! i dont sleep at night so next day i am drowsy etc until mid day, I hate to think i am unable to work but that realisation came almost 19 yr ago when i was diagnosed with the epilepsy and depression, in last few years my diabetes has set in so im actually health wise worse yet now able to work!

    Comment by jeri austin — January 8, 2013 @ 1:24 am

  587. Who bit her head off ? what are you talking about ? either a person wants to know the truth or they don’t ?. We tell it like it is, that’s why people come here, to learn the truth.
    If anyone wants to learn a lot of bull then don’t come on here, phone up the DWP and ask them instead.

    Listen up…I get 71 quid a week, we are all in the same boat, if it wasn’t for people like me having the guts to appeal (AND THERE’S THOUSANDS OF US) in the first place we would all be on nothing a week, so don’t come on here SPOUTING RUBBISH like that to us. OK ?. It’s an absolute insult to all the people who defied the DWP and put their selves at risk financially so that certain people can just be put in to the WRAG without a battle.

    How in the hell do you think the DWP are making these concessions in the first place ? answer me that ? why do you think the DWP are putting people in the WRAG without a fight whilst 2 years ago every single person was being assessed ?.
    Jeeeeeeeez…some people really wind me up.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 8, 2013 @ 6:08 am

  588. It just comes across a bit hostile sometimes :o) sorry if I offended I think you do a great job
    Sent from my BlackBerry smartphone from Virgin Media

    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — January 8, 2013 @ 7:43 am

  589. i have been waiting for my assessment to get my payment started from esa, i have a medical certificate from nov. 1st for 3 months, if atos say i have to go for jsa what happens about the 3 months that i have been waiting for payments? jsa only starts on the day that i sign on. i asked the esa department and they had no idea if i could get any payments from anywhere, this seems so wrong, surely im entitled to something ? does this medical ceritficate mean nothing? i lost my job because of my asthma.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 8, 2013 @ 9:04 am

  590. Hello Anonymous.

    Everyone who makes a claim for ESA should be paid the assessment rate of £71 a week from the date the claim was made, this is supposed to last for at least 13 weeks, but before the 13 weeks expired you will almost certainly receive a white envelope from ATOS healthcare – don’t laugh – demanding you attend a fabricated assessment at one of their torture centres, it will say on the letter refusal to attend may affect your benefits.
    So, since the DWP have conceded that you are going to be assessed by ATOS then that means you have been accepted for the assessment rate of ESA and they should give you that in writing, and means they owe you £71 a week from the date you were accepted.
    I don’t know what date you were accepted so if I were you I would contact either the CAB or welfare rights and they will help you find out, they will also help with any forms you may have to fill in.

    So one day you will receive the letter from ATOS to attend for a meeting with one of their sturmbannfuerers, who will advise the DWP via a fabricated functional assessment report that you are fit for work, the DWP decision maker will rubber stamp it with glee often without even looking at it and send you a brown colored envelope saying you are no longer entitled to ESA and all money regarding ESA has now ceased, you may even see a P45 in there too, that’s a subtle hint to go get job.

    That’s when you appeal against their decision to find you fit for work, and since you have already contacted the CAB or welfare rights then they will help you with the appeal as well.
    You can get help here at our sister site anytime as well http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 8, 2013 @ 11:37 am

  591. I know you don’t mean harm, but we have to get it across to everyone that this is a battle for not only our rights but our lives as well, we don’t have the luxury of throwing down our guns and running from the trench, we have to stay and fight them.
    We are gaining concessions all the time, they have gained no concessions from us yet because we don’t have anything to give, they must do the giving.
    Today the Government are going to hammer us again in parliament, people are voting against them though, but I suspect the Government will prevail, but each new mockery of a welfare reform law they bulldoze in makes them look like the cruel tyrants that they are.

    What’s the Scottish saying ” It’s an ill wind that doesn’t blow some good ” meaning each new welfare reform law they bring in through force get’s nearer to the realisation to the whole of Britain that this is a Government of bullies.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 8, 2013 @ 11:50 am

  592. Its a nightmare that’s what it is , I’m surprised that the court of human rights haven’t got involved its persecution of the sick and disabled . Drastic measures need to be taken .
    Sent from my BlackBerry smartphone from Virgin Media

    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — January 8, 2013 @ 11:57 am

  593. I am a bit confused at the advice here. When being transferred from incapacity to ESA, an appeal about the group you are in should not affect your money as they have already agreed you are entitled to the work related amount!

    So jeri, you shouldn’t worry about all this assessment rate stuff because it doesn’t apply to you. The worst they can say is ‘no, we made the right decision and you are to renmain in the work related group’.

    Comment by SaRahRah — January 8, 2013 @ 12:45 pm

  594. SaRahRah.

    We don’t give advice here, we provide intelligence and try and point people in the right direction, and the right direction is not the DWP or reading the Daily mail but the professionals like the welfare rights and the CAB.
    Of course you are free to give advice if you wish.
    Thank you for your input.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 8, 2013 @ 1:14 pm

  595. Hi dwpexam, jean et al. Happy New. Got to thank you for all the help and direction you have given me on this site over the past 12 months. I have finally got my letter from the DWP confirming I have been put in the Support group and it is for 18 months. They didn’t like confirmng the latter point, but 7 letters later and a letter of complaint has finally achieved what I thought was going to be the impossible. In the letter confirming I have been awarded it for the time they told me on the phone, the complaints manager said they don’t usually say how long the award has been given for (!) as they don’t want to upset us….!!?? Well I did what you said, contacted my C.A.B. and local advice centre and they confirmed what you had said. Wrote my 8th letter and sent it addressed to the Complaints Dept, DWP etc and got a letter back 4 days later – today. Sent it special delivery and asked for a reply by 14.01.13. Thank you once again. JXXXXX

    Comment by Jen — January 8, 2013 @ 1:50 pm

  596. Hi Jen. Happy new year to you and what a great way to start yours off. I am so pleased for you. I was told i had to be reveived within 3 months but so far its gone past that & i have no white letter come. But not holding my breath. Hopefully i have been lost in the thousands lol!!!. I wish you all the best for the future with health wealth & great happiness xxx

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — January 8, 2013 @ 2:13 pm

  597. Hi Jeri I would like to clarify your problem.If you appeal and lose going in the support group your money will not go down. It stays the same in the work related group. Obviously if you win your appeal your money will rise again & all will be back dated. Please do not be scared of appealing. I do know how stressful it is and i also worried about the money but the CAB assured me it would not go down if i lost my appeal I was over the moon when i won my appeal to go into the support group. So end of the day no pain no gain. Good luck on what ever you decide.

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — January 8, 2013 @ 2:19 pm

  598. Thanks Jen…You/we need to gather the energy and go do it ourselves, we can guide and help, sitting around doing nothing though will produce exactly that…nothing.
    There’s hope out there, not much hope but some, and the DWP just love people who don’t know or care about their rights, and just except what they say, they’re rubbing their hands in glee.

    We need to contest every adverse decision, contest everything we don’t agree with, if everyone did that then the DWP will give up treating us like dirt and start treating people more fairly.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 8, 2013 @ 4:57 pm

  599. Spot on dwpexam. I know you say it as it is, after all I was on the receiving end myself once when you had a go about me driving! I took it very personally, then realised you could only say it as you saw it. You didn’t know my full circs and the fact that my doc had said I was ok to drive as I know when I can’t. I actually hardly drive at all now. A pain but I know when I shouldn’t. I hope you are ok too as I read this site daily and had missed you, like Jean. She made a good deputy for you bless her – bless you Jean. I am going to frame a copy of the letter I got this morning and must make sure the original goes in a fire proof safe!!!!! Worth a lot to me. Been fighting for it for months. Are you ok by the way? is there anything I can do for you? You do heaps for us. XXXXX

    Jean – will keep in touch via this site. Ditto dwpexam. If I can help let me know. Can’t do much but just having support is a godsend. XXXXX

    Comment by Jen — January 8, 2013 @ 7:28 pm

  600. Hi Jen.

    We get enough lies and subterfuge from this Government, the DWP, the Sun and the Express, the Daily mail and those idiots at ATOS.
    People want the truth not a lot of bullshit in the style of the Daily mail.
    That’s why they’re here, because they know it will be the truth and nothing but.

    Everyone can help if they go to our sister site at http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 8, 2013 @ 8:03 pm

  601. Ok. Thought I’d offer. Best wishes. J

    Comment by Jen — January 8, 2013 @ 8:17 pm

  602. Jen…All help is welcome.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 8, 2013 @ 10:33 pm

  603. If i did pass my medical/assessment would i get any back payment of any type? It was my first assessment on the 18th dec 12 the 1st payment i had of esa was on the 29th july 12. Still haven’t had my results husband rang the esa 2day’s ago they said monday coming would be the earlist i would hear from them.

    Comment by Mrs f — January 10, 2013 @ 9:28 am

  604. Hello Mrs f.

    If you are assessed by ATOS and you are found unfit for work by the DWP then you will be paid all money the DWP owe you and backdated too, that’s the law, whether they decide to obey the law is another matter, they usually do when it comes to paying you after being found unfit for work, if they dare try it on then a letter from your Member of Parliament almost always gets a quick result in your favour.

    If you are found fit for work by the DWP and you appeal, and the appeal panel allow your appeal then again the DWP by law must pay you everything they owe you going all the way back to the date the decision maker informed you that you were fit for work.
    They can’t get out of that, but they can delay it to make you feel as uncomfortable as possible, it can take around seven or eight weeks or even longer to be told you are entitled to ESA and they owe you money, and a wait of that length can be excruciating, that’s the real reason why the DWP delay telling you that you have officially won your appeal.

    Because consider the opposite side of the coin, suppose you lose an appeal hearing ? guess what ? the DWP inform you officially by letter within a week that your appeal was disallowed you are and always were fit for work so here’s your P45 go get job. And they would gladly add in YOU SCROUNGER at the end if the Government told them too.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 10, 2013 @ 11:20 am

  605. Hi
    Wonder if you can help us. Our son had schizophrenia he believes he is being possessed by evil spirits and has been under the mental health team for the last twelve years. He has now been told to fill out an esa questionnaire. However he is paid a statutory sick pay from his employer and claims the rest through IB and under the Unum insurer. Every year they have written for medical reports and fit to work reports which he as from lots of different doctors.
    However if he goes into the ESA work group how can he go to work interviews when he is already technically still employed by his company.
    Also if they find him fit for work can atos over rule Unum and say he is fit for work even though Unum have never found him fit for work in the last twelve years.
    Any help would be greatly appreciated and thank you for all your good work you are doing to help people who are very vulnerable.

    Kind regards

    Comment by schizoboy — January 10, 2013 @ 11:19 pm

  606. Hi schizoboy.

    The first thing you should do is make an appointment with the CAB or your local welfare rights and get professional advice on this.
    Meanwhile here is what I can tell you, your son shouldn’t even need to have a face to face assessment with ATOS because he should be exempt from an assessment under regulation 35 http://blacktrianglecampaign.org/2012/12/03/guardian-sick-and-disabled-braced-for-enforced-work-for-benefits-programme-btc-says-please-use-our-regulations-29-35-campaign-materials/, schizophrenia is one of the serious health conditions that precludes an assessment, and if he has some kind of written report from a member of his mental health team that should satisfy ATOS.

    But ATOS are ATOS and there’s no telling what they will do next, it seems they have carte blanche to do as they please.

    So a well written letter with the ESA 50 explaining his health problem along with a written report and mentioning that he will not be and cannot be responsible for his actions will go a long way to persuade them.

    But as I said, please take professional advice first before you fill out the ESA50, you have a month by law before they demand you send it to them.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 11, 2013 @ 12:29 am

  607. Thank you so much for all your help.

    Comment by schizoboy — January 11, 2013 @ 11:54 am

  608. Ok thanks for your reply! Getting sick of waiting now to see what is happening weather i passed or not! Its flipping stressfull! How long back it the back payment? I think i read something about it being from 92days of claiming esa but im not sure if that’s just if your appealing and i dont even no how much more a week it is? Thanks again x

    Comment by Mrs f — January 12, 2013 @ 4:01 pm

  609. Your first payment was on the 29th of July ? surely that wasn’t your first and last payment, you should be paid all the way back to your last payment.
    At the moment you should be getting the assessment rate right up until you hear the result of your assessment.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 12, 2013 @ 5:49 pm

  610. Hi again everyone, I finally got the brown envelope saying ive been placed in support group because of my illness, just wondering is my disability living allowance affected at all is this seperate from the esa?? thank you in advance

    Comment by Helen — January 15, 2013 @ 12:22 pm

  611. Hi Helen. Well done on getting in the support group. I was put in that a while ago. And it does not affect your DLA

    Comment by Jean — January 15, 2013 @ 2:15 pm

  612. Just watched ‘Hitler found fit for work by ATOS’ on utube – made me laugh ! he got 14 points so is about to invade their headquarters in France ! Had my examination, by a young Asian girl. When I asked if she was a doctor she got a bit shirty and said she was a ‘healthcare specialist’ whatever that is. I arrived half an hour early, and went in half an hour early, which was a bonus. The inner and outer double doors were not automatic, heavy, and we struggled to get through them – we had help from the receptionist to get out again, who said the building was up for sale so no money was being spent on it. The examination lasted about three quarters of an hour, but went surprisingly quickly. She was not interested in a prior tribunal findings I had with me from some years ago that stated I was not fit for any work, and other paperwork – she said it would all be on my file – if so, why call me in for another grilling ? I found your attatched 3 ATOS manuals a great help and recomend everyone to read them all to the end. A lot of it will be superfluoes to you but some of it is very helpful !!! Waiting now for the brown envelope – fingers crossed everyone, I’ll keep you informed. Robert (no spellchecker on this is there ?) Good luck everyone

    Comment by robert — January 15, 2013 @ 5:02 pm

  613. Hi Robert.

    Prepare thee for an appeal, thou shalt have no mercy on thee Sir…Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaats ATOS for ya.
    We can help so don’t worry.
    We are all in it together, even Hitler’s heard of ATOS.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 15, 2013 @ 7:43 pm

  614. Hello everyone,
    It has took me a few day’s to read everything on the site …and my head is swimming ….my short story! i have been on DLA / IB/ IS since winning my tribunral ,,,, now atfer all this time i recieved my letters asking me to fill in new form for DLA and Income support on the 2 Dec 2012 ..i completed the forms to the best of my ability and returned them … i missed 2 phone calls 3rd and 7th Jan 2013 …. my post box in on the ground floor and i cannot get downstairs easy to get my post ..anyway i have been notified my IS will stay unchanged ..but i had letters from Atos saying they made an apointment for a hcp to visit me on the 21st jan 13 …i only got the letter this morning and called them straight away as i was going away for 2 weeks rest-bit to see family and it coincides with my farther mamorial service …i said i would not be available until the 31st and would like to make a new apointment ..the lady was very rude on the phone and then hung-up i don’t have her name or any details and was to upset to call them back … will they write to me offering me a new apointment in 2 weeks time? or will they just stop my DLA benifit?
    advise anyone else been in the position? why do i not get apointment to go see them everyone else seems to have i just got a letter telling me there coming to my home!

    neo x

    Comment by neo stone — January 17, 2013 @ 4:25 pm

  615. Hello neo.

    I would call ATOS again, with ATOS you cannot take anything for granted.
    And send a letter as well, mention that further to your phone call on such and such a date and at such and such a time you explained the dates for the home assessment were unfortunately unsuitable because of such and such, therefore can you please arrange another date after the 31st of January.
    Relying on phone calls to ATOS or the DWP is hopeless, better to follow a phone call with a letter.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 17, 2013 @ 5:45 pm

  616. Hi all just to let you know i phoned jobcentre today to see if they had recieved my new sick note then she said to me “you don’t need sick note’s anymore you have been placed in support group” so that was good new’s so glad to know i haven’t got to appeal as i don’t think i would be able to cope with the stress! So im sorry if i sound thick now but i don’t really know much about esa! So i had my first ever payment on the 29th july 2012 and then every two week’s afterward’s. Will i have any type of back payment or is just for people who had to appeal as they failed the assement? I had my first assement on the 18th december 2012 which is the one i have been placed in support group! I haven’t had a letter saying about any of it but we have really bad snow so can’t see us having any post for a few days. There was none today anyway! I just don’t understand what i read on other sites so i thought i just come here to see if you knew if i would get a back payment! Thanks again xx

    Comment by Mrs f — January 18, 2013 @ 4:21 pm

  617. Mrs F.

    Since you were assessed on the 18th of December and they haven’t stopped your ESA then it’s difficult to see how you can get a back payment. Unless they were paying you the lower WRAG rate, if that’s so then any payment will not amount to that much because the support group is only around five pounds more, anything they owe you will be paid, so wait, be patient and see what it says on the official letter they will undoubtedly send you.

    Congratulations on attaining the support group, remember they will be back some day for another go, so please log in to our sister site and learn your rights http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 18, 2013 @ 5:35 pm

  618. Thanks for your reply i was getting assesment rate! Im so confused as i have read some where else that i would get a extra 34 pound a week from 92days of claiming esa?

    Comment by Mrs f — January 18, 2013 @ 5:47 pm

  619. I misunderstood your question Mrs F, if you were on the assessment rate all the way back to June then you will indeed get backdated money, but at the end of the day you will get what’s coming to you, if you have suspicions that it’s not correct then you can query it, the DWP will always be there…LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 18, 2013 @ 6:48 pm

  620. LOL thanks for your reply! I got worried when you said no back payment lol i thought i’d read something wrong! I know i had my first payment on the 29th july 2012 it say’s that on my bank statement and thats a sunday so i was a bit confused but i can remember the date i made my claim i think it was a few days or about a week and half before that! I claim for my husband to as he had to quit his job for me then i made the claim! Do you know how far back i will be paid and how much a week it is? Once again that you for your help sorry to be a pain! X

    Comment by Mrs f — January 18, 2013 @ 9:01 pm

  621. Hi mrs F.

    If you applied back in July/August for ESA then that’s when you should receive back pay, the support group which you have been granted at long last is around £105 and the assessment rate is £71.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 19, 2013 @ 1:55 am

  622. AHA ! just read the Mrs F comment about ‘sick notes no longer needed’. Long before the days of ATOS I was sending in sick notes to the DHSS, and they told me as I was going on ‘long term’ sickness the sick notes would no longer be required. Long story short, I ended up taking them to an indipendant tribunal as they decided I could ‘address envelopes for a living ‘ !!!! and go back to work. At the tribunal, the DHSS woman’s last line was ‘anyway, you have lost your benefit as you stopped sending in sick notes’ (they told me not to bother anymore remember) to which I repiled ‘ check your records and you will find I have not stopped sending them to you and you recieved the last one 3 days ago’. She was stumped and I won my appeal. And the moral is Mrs F — it won’t hurt to keep sending them in and it may do you some good in the future ! Robert

    Comment by robert — January 19, 2013 @ 10:29 am

  623. Thanks for that Robert, better safe than sorry, what a mess eh ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 19, 2013 @ 1:11 pm

  624. hey thanks for your reply!! thanks robert for your advice i was thinking about carrying on sending sick note’s but dont know if the doctor would carry on giving me them if the dwp right to them.!! i swear i really am fed up with the way people get treated because of our illness’s!! do these people not see we dont chose to be ill? we get treated like dirt in our own country basically and it really annoys me! there quick enough to stop your benefit’s but not quick enough to pay you what they owe you. i can see it being along time until i get my money but i do know exactly how much im owed so they need not try ripping me off. i forgot to mention the other day my husband phoned before me and the women on the phone was so rude and said to my husband that she would not look to see if there had been a result put on the system about my medical assessment and said stop phoning back you will receive a letter when we have dealt with it lol the cheeky bitch she was lucky it was him on the other end of the phone not me cause i would of give her what for lol! they treat us like we are shit fare play. but karmas a bitch and her time will come every dog as its day! there so rude but then i rang back up to see if they had received my sick note which is when i’d found out i had been put in the support group. i did ask how long it would take for my back payment and she said it could take a few weeks as they need to find out how much i’am owed so i know i wont get it for about 3 months knowing the dwp lol plus i have read other forums were people have waited ages and ages after winning an appeal!! thanks again for your help

    Comment by mrs f — January 20, 2013 @ 2:27 pm

  625. Mrs F.

    Anyone on ESA whether the support group or the WRAG, are not required to supply the DWP with medical certificates.

    But appealing to get ESA which means receiving the assessment rate does mean a requirement by law to supply the DWP with medical certificates, or fit notes as they call them..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 20, 2013 @ 2:47 pm

  626. Hi as soon as i was put on ESA i did not have to send in any sick notes. I am in the support group now & still do not have send any. I have never been asked to. They were the ones that said i need not do any more…Reading how some people are treated when phoning the DHSS makes me so angry. I always say to myself that if it wasn’t for people being on any sort of benifit THEY WOULD NOT BE IN EMPLOYMENT.
    dwpexamination i hope you are well. Also my new friend Jen. Hope everything has settled down now & you are well and more happier.

    Comment by Jean — January 20, 2013 @ 3:30 pm

  627. Hi Jean.

    I’m fine, could be worse, thanks.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 20, 2013 @ 5:18 pm

  628. prior to putting my appeal in , in june last year i had been told by my gp they requested no more sick notes and that was the situation for the better part of a year, as for waiting, i have been waiting since june 20th 2012 for my appeal to be sorted, i have written to the local manager twice with no reply. cant see it being sorted any time soon…

    Comment by derek — January 20, 2013 @ 5:25 pm

  629. Hello Derek.

    Since when do GPs listen to the DWP when it comes to medical certificates ?, sounds to me like your GP is looking for an excuse not to give medical certificates, either he thinks your fit for work or he doesn’t think your fit for work.

    Refusing to hand out a medical certificate is in my humble opinion the same as saying you are fit for work.

    So here’s what I can tell you, if you believe you are unfit for work then get rid of this GP, because it is going to lead to trouble, get yourself another practice as soon as possible.

    Moreover, and I’m being straight with you here Derek, if the tribunal even get a whiff that your GP has refused to grant you a sicknote then your tribunal appeal is already lost.

    What written evidence do you have to present to the tribunal ? do you have a written report from your GP ? alternatively do you have a written report from the hospital or consultant ?, you need this kind of help, let’s hope the DWP don’t sneakily inform the tribunal service that your GP refused to supply you with a medical certificate ? but knowing the DWP as I do, I would be surprised if they didn’t..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 20, 2013 @ 6:21 pm

  630. no he showed me the email and corespondance at the time that they the dwp were saying no more sick notes were needed unless informed, then last june after A.tossers gave me a medical and supposedly found me fit for work i then put an appeal in, my gp provided a letter for that appeal showing my my disability and info to back it up, he also said in the letter in no way can this man be fit for work, i also sent a letter from my consultant with medical info and flow charts, i have permanent incontinence no medication or anything works the next step would be removal of bladder or similer operations, so i live wearing pads day and night until it becomes totally impossible to do so..since i put my appeal in my gp as provided sick notes and still does. it was the period before june last year he was asked not too…derek

    Comment by derek — January 20, 2013 @ 6:57 pm

  631. I have been on esa for nearly 2 years / switched straight on from incapacity benefit which I had been on since 1993. My 2 years will be up in May when I will be reassesed, will I have to go to an atos assesment I was never assesed in may 2011 so am unsure. I have multiple disabilities ranging from a bad knee to severe head injuries partial paralysis of right side and sever arthritus but am quite independent, Would going to my MP be of any benefit. Thanks

    Comment by David — January 20, 2013 @ 7:20 pm

  632. Well you should be OK then Derek, just a nervous wait for the appeal to be heard, some parts of the country it can take nine months or even a year.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 20, 2013 @ 7:24 pm

  633. a nice little saving in interest for the dwp the longer they drag it all out eh and of course they care little about the stress, i have read with interest for ages now and some folk are beside themselves with worry, the goverment are criminal for causing this, but then i never doubted they were criminals anyways..thank you for the reply my friend..

    Comment by derek — January 20, 2013 @ 7:34 pm

  634. Hello Derek.

    It will not be a nice little saving in the long run if you win your appeal because they will have to repay all the money they owe you in a backdate.
    Just give them the one fingered salute by winning that appeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 20, 2013 @ 8:26 pm

  635. Hello David.

    What would you say to your MP ? I mean would you say for instance that you don’t want to be assessed ?.
    And if he/she is a Tory then forget asking him/her anything to do with ATOS or benefits because they neither know nor care.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 20, 2013 @ 8:32 pm

  636. I was thinking of making him work for his money tell him how it is in the real world and suggest an NHS medical instead of private

    Comment by Anonymous — January 20, 2013 @ 8:50 pm

  637. makes me wonder how the goverment is getting away with denying the nhs much needed funds unyet paying out thousands to a french company to do examinations, the nhs themselves should be crying out about this…

    Comment by derek — January 20, 2013 @ 9:00 pm

  638. Yes you could tell him that, but the chances are he wouldn’t give a flying proverbial what you said or thought, especially if he was of the Tory persuasion.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 20, 2013 @ 9:43 pm

  639. Where you on SDA david ?
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    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — January 21, 2013 @ 12:32 am

  640. No i was on incapacity or invalidity I’m not sure but I do get DLA higher component and lower care component.

    This is a brilliant site

    Comment by david — January 21, 2013 @ 5:00 pm

  641. They must have contacted your doctor when you went straight from IB to ESA first time I’ve never heard of anyone just being moved over with no medical , they may do the same this time David try not to worry hun
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    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — January 21, 2013 @ 5:20 pm

  642. It’s possible to get transferred from Incapacity benefit to Employment and Support allowance without an assessment, it’s happened to a few people on our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org
    but the DWP always inform you by letter.
    Then if your not happy because they put you in the WRAG version of ESA you can appeal to get in to the Support group.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 21, 2013 @ 5:31 pm

  643. Never heard of anyone going straight to support group tho …..
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    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — January 21, 2013 @ 5:40 pm

  644. It has been known, we never hear about it because the person is incapable of telling us.
    But it’s usually the WRAG version, especially if the claimant is on contributory ESA.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 21, 2013 @ 5:54 pm

  645. Hi my husband went straight into the support group without a medical,i believe it was down to our gp that phoned atos and told them about my husbands condition.

    Comment by sharon — January 22, 2013 @ 12:21 pm

  646. Working hard to get into the support group with as much information as possible -And some assistance from a decent GP – can only help to get into the high group without needing an assessment.

    There was a time where everyone had to attend or else, but the power of the internet is putting that to flight.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 22, 2013 @ 4:01 pm

  647. Our doctor is fantastic,he helped me when i had to appeal against atos decision and i eventually got put in the support group.We carnt thank him enough,hes defo on our side and hes disgusted with the way the disabled are being treated.I wished all doctors were like him.I know that we will be needing his help again soon as my husband will soon be having to fill in on of those horrible forms again.Also i would like to say what a fantastic site this is and that you have helped many people including myself. Keep it up guys.

    Comment by sharon — January 22, 2013 @ 6:14 pm

  648. All GPs are not my doctor is a disgrace and a tory , shame because I live in a small village and she’s the only doctor
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    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — January 22, 2013 @ 6:33 pm

  649. Cheers Sharon…we will try and keep going until ATOS and their partners in crime the DWP are defeated.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 22, 2013 @ 7:10 pm

  650. Go to our sister site Carole http://www.dwpexamination.org and you will find Michael Meachers speech in Parliament, send it to this cretin you have of a GP, and demand an explanation why he knows that ATOS are crooks and ask why she doesn’t, insist on an answer or you will be down at her surgery to demand an answer.
    You will be surprised how quick her ass will drop when she sees you mean business, DON’T GET EVEN GET MAD AS WELL.
    These Tories are all the same, SELF PRESERVATIONISTS, me, myself and I.
    Once they know an angry patient is coming down to sort them out, watch how nice they can really be, on the other hand act like a wussy and she will treat you like one.


    Comment by dwpexamination — January 22, 2013 @ 7:25 pm

  651. You do a great and I will need your help soon keep up the good work
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    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — January 22, 2013 @ 8:07 pm

  652. I will do exactly that , I am a fighter and won’t give up , you people here are an inspiration
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    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — January 22, 2013 @ 8:09 pm

  653. I got turned down for DLA 5 times I later found out it was what my GP was writing so the last time I got turned down I asked for it to be looked at again I demanded a DWP appointed PROPER doctor came out to see me in my home to see how I was living he spent 2hrs with me did his report 1week later I got a new decision mid rate care high rate mobility that doctor sent me a copy of that report I still have it and ill use it , I am defiantly going to challenge my GP she DOESN’T have my best interest last time I visited her I was so poorly but she said and this is true “oh you have lovely hair you would make an excellent receptionist ” I walked out in a state of shock………..
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    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — January 22, 2013 @ 8:19 pm

  654. She sounds like she watches Jeremy Kyle, reads the Daily mail, and believes any old crap she reads.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 22, 2013 @ 9:17 pm

  655. A thought has occurred; if a person has part rent and council tax benefit and is found ‘fit for work’ and given a pittance to live on then that person would probably then get full rent and council tax benefit. If, then following a succesful tribunal and that person recieves all the missing back payment, then the council would probably also want all their back bayments out of those monies ? I wouldn’t to be too quick to run out (no pun inteneded !) and blow any back money you recieve without looking into this ! Robert

    Comment by robert — January 23, 2013 @ 11:23 am

  656. thanx for your comment dwpexamination ….. i followed it up via email to Atos …they replied within 1 hour saying they had passed on the email ….. lets see what happens next

    Comment by neo — January 23, 2013 @ 11:36 am

  657. Hi Robert.

    I paid the same rent and council tax when on the assessment rate and the full rate, if they want extra money then they can whistle for it, but so far I’ve heard nothing.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 23, 2013 @ 3:18 pm

  658. Hi all, just had the jobcentre plus letter – it didn’t take too long – despite being 64 years af age and having many ailments including a lung disease they have found me fit for work, I have been put on ESA and will have to attend ‘work focused interviews with a personal advisor to help me back to work !’ (attend or my pittance will be reduced) I will be put in a support group. They say I can ask them to look again at the decision or appeal, which is best please ?
    I suppose I will now lose my motobility car shortly, which will make it very difficult to attend these ‘work interviews’ and I will be pretty much left housebound without the car. The whole assesment was a farce, a waste of their time and mine. I went to the CAV today (in the next town as ours shut down ) but they are only open a couple of days a week, I will try them next week .Best Regards, ROBERT PS, anyone know if you still recieve the couple of hundred quid payment for returning a Motobility car in perfect condition, if it goes back early ? Ive had this one 2 & 1/2 years.

    Comment by robert — January 25, 2013 @ 1:43 pm

  659. Do you think its worth putting in a copy of the medical the Dwp appointed doctor did on me when I got awarded my DLA when they ask me for information ?

    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — January 25, 2013 @ 2:40 pm

  660. Hello Carole.

    They love to see a copy of the letter when it’s against you, but they aren’t so interested when it’s for you, but sending them a copy (Make sure it’s a copy) can do no harm.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 25, 2013 @ 3:09 pm

  661. Hello Robert.

    It’s best to just get on with it and state that you wish to go forward for a hearing to an independent appeal tribunal, do not even mention a reconsideration, because even if you say I do not wish a reconsideration they just go and do it anyway.

    These chancers might even send you a letter back saying your appeal was reconsidered (Trying to imply that the tribunal reconsidered) and you are not entitled to ESA etc.

    It’s our experience that they seldom reconsider anything because as you’ve probably worked out for yourself Robert it’s all a con, this reconsideration just gives them the opportunity to drag their feet as long as they want, and another excuse to send you more mind numbing letters.

    The car I can’t help you with, but I’m sure there is someone reading this who can, you can ask on our sister site where they have a lot of experience. http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 25, 2013 @ 3:24 pm

  662. Hi Robert. You was put on ESA work focused interviews. The DLA medical is something entirely different & nothing to do with job seekers.You will not lose your car.

    Comment by Jean — January 25, 2013 @ 3:58 pm

  663. Robert. You still get £200 if the car goes back in fair condition after the 3 yrs is up. As you will not lose your car you need not worry. You only have another 6 months to go so i would suggest you start looking around for good deals on Motobility soon.

    Comment by Jean — January 25, 2013 @ 4:03 pm

  664. Hi,

    I wrote earlier about awaiting an assessment with atos to claim esa. i have not had any payment from esa or jobseekers because of health issues. i was told as i have reapplied within 6 months they cannot pay me until i have the assessment. i was told to supply a medical certificate from my gp with i did, which was for 3 months whick ends on february 4th. they then said medical certificate which they have received does not change anything, still no payments. they have now suggested that if i get a letter from my consultant to say my pre existing has got worse it might help. i now have letter from consultant to state about my condition, i have made 2 copies, do i send one to benefits and one to atos, while i am waiting for appointment or not?


    Comment by Anonymous — January 25, 2013 @ 4:22 pm

  665. Hello Anonymous.

    Why not just send one to the DWP and advice them to forward to ATOS, if you personally send one to ATOS they don’t even bother looking at them anyway.

    It’s true though if you re-apply for ESA within six months of the decision maker informing you that you were fit for work then they will not pay you until that six months is up, apparently that’s the law.

    That’s why the DWP advised the tribunal service to speed up my appeal hearing inside the six months so that I couldn’t re-apply for ESA straight away (They’re out to get me, OOOOOH I’m scared), subsequently I received a notice to attend a hearing at the tribunal service within four months, but the DWP had made a mistake in their paperwork they forwarded to the tribunal, and at the hearing my welfare rights officer pointed out the discrepancy to the panel and asked for the hearing to be adjourned until the DWP sent them the correct paperwork, the panel agreed and I gained a further three months which took me over the six month deadline, it turned out that I didn’t need the extra time because I won the appeal anyway.

    And by the way, I didn’t even bother to write an appeal GL24 form (Just wrote them a letter saying I wished to appeal etc) and I didn’t even bother to send the DWP any evidence either, just took it to the tribunal hearing, because you see I know it’s all a con, they can only fool me once which they have done four years ago, I wont get fooled by these idiots ever again.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 25, 2013 @ 5:17 pm

  666. Thank you Jean for your prompt reply. I have flogged through all my paperwork and my Incapacity Benefit has changed to the new ESA, and a letter from Disability & Carers Service dated 5 Nov last states that after sending in their recent enquiry form my current DLA is at the correct rate. The confusion arose as rumours abound that if you fail the new assesment then ALL old benefits are defunct. If this was ‘duff jen’ as we used to say in the RAF, then it looks as if I am actually better off on ESA than I was on INCAPACITY !!!! (as long as I still get the DLA and my Industrial Injuries ben as well ) Perhaps I should not ‘poke the bear’ and leave things as they are as I have a bit more coming in ?? If I keep the car then I don’t mind attending their silly ‘work for all’ meetings, as they would quickly see that I am unemployable, which is what ATOS should have discovered. As stated earlier, its all rubber stamped in their camp. Many thanks for putting my mind at rest, I wish I could give you a bouquet for all your work here !! Robert

    Comment by robert — January 25, 2013 @ 5:26 pm

  667. thank you for your reply. the reason my esa stopped was because i started working as my health had improved, unfortunately it ddnt last long, i worked upto the end of october when i lost my job because my health wasnt upto it. i had a 3 month med certificate to the end of january 2013. but i reapplied for esa at the end of october and the last payment i had from them was the 19th july.. it got very confusing because they paid me esa even though i was working (i started work in may) at 12 hours a week. they made a payment to me in june 7th and told me that would be my last payment because of my job. i had atos appt sent for july 11th which i did not attend because i was no longer on esa and working, i did not receive any payments from esa and then in july 19th they started paying me again and stated they would not pay anymore because i did not attend atos, i tried telling them they did not pay me for 6 weeks so didnt see the point of going if i wasnt on esa anymore. but thank you, i will send the copy of letter from my consultant and will ask them to forward it to atos. could you tell me, if atos now say i can go back to work (regardless of my consultants letter) how do i get any payment for the last 3 months? especially what happens about payment for national insurance towards pension, (im 56 and i dont want to get behind on that).

    Comment by Anonymous — January 25, 2013 @ 6:26 pm

  668. Hi Robert Just to put your mind at rest. When i was first put on ESA work focused interviews.I also worried about my DLA. But i was informed by the CAB that it was nothing to do with jobseekers. They was right as i never heard from them and still received my DLA & kept my car.I am now in the support group after taking ATOS to the tribunal and won my case.I make you right about the silly interviews with so many out of work & being near to retirement age & failing health. There was not any work placement they could put me in. Just keep them sweet & tell them what they want to hear. You cannot be far from retiring yourself now and they know that .I love the saying “Treat them like a mushroom, keep them in the dark & feed them sh..t”. The money is a lot better than Incapacity Benefit i agree. Good luck to you for the future.Hope you don’t get anymore stress from THEM……. x Jean

    Comment by Jean — January 25, 2013 @ 8:22 pm

  669. Hey all just to let you know i have bee placed in support group for 18 months and had my back payment! thanks for all you help xx

    Comment by mrs f — January 29, 2013 @ 1:57 am

  670. Good work mrs f, if you don’t make an effort as you have done then they will walk all over you, remember it hasn’t finished, they will be back again in the future so get prepared now and learn your rights http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 29, 2013 @ 8:36 am

  671. Mrs F well pleased for you. Enjoy your 18 months of freedom lol!! x

    Comment by Jean — January 29, 2013 @ 12:26 pm

  672. Anyone see panorama on Monday night? Atos and other companies get £9100 for every job they get for anyone who is disabled

    Comment by Anonymous — January 29, 2013 @ 6:48 pm

  673. double post – sorry

    Comment by Anonymous — January 29, 2013 @ 6:49 pm

  674. Anonymous yes i watched it. Disgusting making money out of the sick & disabled. Does this surprise me. NO…. I took great offence to the term they use. LTB Lying thieving bastards.

    Comment by Jean Atkinson — January 30, 2013 @ 12:41 pm

  675. so, they would rather pay atos twice as much, rather than pay someone for being ill or disabled?!!!

    Comment by Anonymous — January 30, 2013 @ 4:59 pm

  676. The first day your name goes on their books – £600
    Should they get you a job full or part time – they get £3500
    Should you still be in employment after 6 months – they get £5000 bonus

    Comment by Anonymous — January 30, 2013 @ 5:31 pm

  677. Ridiculous should be a revolution to get this government out but who then takes over what’s the alternative labour no way , Ukip are just tories under another name and the Libdems should never get another vote again ……
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    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — January 30, 2013 @ 5:39 pm

  678. Sorry should qualify that. Atos are responsible for the medical assesments and then there are several other training companies who are responsible for getting people into work – among them G4S who did a really good job with the olympics, they trade under the name of ‘PERTEMPS’ and are paid on results. They work with the people in the wrag group, I had a telephone interview with pertemps and was asked about my disabilities – after explaining I was told by the person from G4S to go back to jcp and to say that ‘I don’t think it is suitable for me’.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 31, 2013 @ 7:22 pm

  679. Also they don’t want to deal with people who they can’t get work for because they don’t get much money – its called ‘cherry picking’

    Comment by Anonymous — January 31, 2013 @ 9:59 pm

  680. Having just recieved my call up for an assesment at Leeds some 25 miles away have just spent 25 mins getting it changed to keighley some
    7 miles ( why send you so far when theres one nearer ?)

    i now have to ring “malcom” a phone call i have to pay for to ask for the assesment to be recorded
    my question
    I believe i read somewhere but cant find it that as my conditions (plural) are musculoskeletal that on request ATOS have to provide an assesor who is qualified on the subject
    i would be gratefull if anybody could confirm and provide a link

    Comment by les — February 9, 2013 @ 1:04 pm

  681. Hello Les.

    Go to our sister site, think up a username and log in and ask any questions that you like, someone will have the link you want.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 9, 2013 @ 2:10 pm

  682. Has anyone ever asked if it is legal for the goverment to hand over private medical records to a privately run company who make a bonus on each person they sign off

    Comment by Anonymous — February 11, 2013 @ 2:53 am

  683. You sign its ok to see records I suppose if you didn’t they would threaten you with a benefit suspension
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    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — February 11, 2013 @ 8:08 am

  684. who says its ok the government has broken its own laws before ie blair going into Iraq , the use of torture on prisoners of war , the hand over of british citivens to the usa without trial so they could be sent to Guantanamo bay to name but a few it isn `t until someone asks the question that we realise it is wrong

    Comment by Anonymous — February 12, 2013 @ 12:30 am

  685. I have read most of the above comments and I know we are all in the same boat. It is ridiculous that the dwp can drag on an appeal so long even though I won my first appeal and got a lot of back pay from being on the £71 pw going upto over £100 pw which is still not a touch on when I was working but what can I do…
    Anyway so I went to my second atos assessment last August and low and behold got a call on 13th same more saying my payments will stop .I asked for the atos medical report and on that near the end said I may be fit for work in 3 months time ,so I find it disgusting that they stopped my payment straight away and reduced down to £71 ,obviously I have appealed and still waiting after 6 months.
    The fact my medical condition is for life and the atos medical report saying MAY be fit for work in 3 months makes me feel everyone is just in a raffle and you win or lose and the muppets at the dwp just have zero intelligence to read anybody’s reports.
    I do wish I had seen this website before and I hope everyone on here gets justice to what they are owed ,I would sue them for stress too if I could :((

    Comment by Roz — February 12, 2013 @ 9:06 pm

  686. Hi, got letter for Atos med exam in 3 weeks, this will be my fourth. No1, passed, No 2, failed, No 3 failed, won both appeals. Nothing much has changed about my condition apart from being put on extra med since diagnosed with other mental conditions. A set of circumstances led to me being involved in a domestic altercation and together with my sister – we were taken to court, sentenced. Tag and suspended. In part, we were lucky to not be jailed as mum terminally ill, and we had no previous for violence. Incidentally, we have both been victims of domestic violence and the assault was against mum’s toy boy of 13 years for his prolonged abuse of her and neglecting her when she was ill. All this is a bit personal and I after mum died in July I am trying to deal with the aftermath in my head. I am more isolated than ever, as now being on the suspended and feeling that i must protect myself from any triggers which may set me off. Could add more, but the point is I have not informed ESA of the court case etc as I have been on DLA and not fit to work etc…so did not feel it was relevant to them. However, do I have to mention the fact that I am on a suspended when questioned at my assessment – eg when the question comes up about socialising, how am I with people etc…..the fact that I will also have to do the performing seal tasks is already acting as a trigger. I have arthritis in my hands which I have prescribed painkillers for, and it was noted on my report that as I left the interview the last time “fastened handbag without difficulty”. I am not a bad person, I just got caught up in a bad situation, 13 years in themaking and was in the wrong place at the wrong time, as long as I protect myself and take my med and don’t drink or anything else, I know I will never be in court again, I could not put my family through that. But the danger to me is always there and I am down as danger to herself and others on my shrink report. Should I take my court shrink report with me to the assessment or is it histronic (last year) and immaterial? I hasten to add, I lead a quiet and respectable life now, I have bipolar and PTSD and possible (according to the shrink) a splintered personality. I look upon the forthcoming 4th medical as another form of abuse, it is humiliating, it takes away your dignity. I already have no confidence or self esteem and since the domestic violence now stutter when under pressure or out of my comfort zone or faced with a stranger who does not have my best interests at heart. I know exactly how the system works with Atos, I know that I am being watched the minute I am in their view, I know that the chances are I will be failed before I sit down, just because I am there in person. I have to say that at both my previous appeals, I was dealt with with respect and kindly. I think the panels at these appeals are becoming tired of the whole procedure with so many being forced to go to appeal. They know the score. And that score is 15 plus.I am paranoid that every site I go on I am being monitored, I even thought I had my letter through because I have been picked up on one of these sites…..who knows. But I have found great comfort in talking to people on these sites and others, including about the spare room tax. Another issue. I know that I must be prepared to put a little cash aside now because my money will stop without prior warning and I think my DLA will also stop even though it was set for 5 years at the last appeal. 3 to run, so that will be awful as it is a lifeline for me. Pleas don’t think I am a bad person because of the trouble I found myself in, I am 57 in March, and hardly a social misfit, like I said, it was all unplanned and I am sorry for what happened even though the person is a vile creature and a social misfit in his home town. Like I said, mum passed away in July and I have not been able to come to terms with that, I am grieving inside and have not yet cried. I won’t be telling the Atos this, as they could not give a flying you know what, they are only concerned about me on the day, and if they ask me if I have good days or bad days I will reply that every day is a bad day because I have to live with my condition and I have to live with the stuff in my head, it is always there. But that will also not matter as they will already have deemed I am fit for work because I am there! I would appreciate any comments and advice and thank you for this wonderfully useful and enlightening and supportive group. You must work very hard to collate all the info, thanks again.

    Comment by Lorraine — February 17, 2013 @ 8:14 pm

  687. PS: And why do they keep failing you, then you win your appeal and the whole process starts again…it is insane. At my last appeal, they said that I should not needed to be at one!

    Comment by Lorraine — February 17, 2013 @ 8:19 pm

  688. Hi Lorraine.

    If I had a written report saying I was a danger to myself and others then I would take it to the tribunal.
    But I can’t tell you what to do, you have to make up your own mind, I believe it would help your appeal, under ESA regs either 29(b) or 35(b) both of which the tribunal will be well aware off.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 17, 2013 @ 10:50 pm

  689. Because they want to grind you down Lorraine, so now you know what they’re trying to do then just refuse to be ground down.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 17, 2013 @ 10:52 pm

  690. Hi, not got to appeall stage yet, you never know, I may pass my Medical (!). But yes, thanks I will take with me. But how can they read the document and digest it in 20 mins to one hour!

    Comment by lorraine — February 18, 2013 @ 7:48 am

  691. are the tribunal panel Atos employees or independent

    Comment by lorraine — February 18, 2013 @ 7:51 am

  692. surely independent or nobody would win

    Comment by lorraine — February 18, 2013 @ 7:53 am

  693. I agree about the pets. I said I had a dog that family members walk and feed for me but obviously that turned into ‘I take the dog for a walk everyday’

    What exactly does atos have on their records? I made a complaint and asked for all paperwork they hold on me but they just sent a list of my previous appointments

    Comment by Char — February 18, 2013 @ 8:22 am

  694. Hello Lorraine.

    They are supposed to be impartial and independent, and most of them are, but we have found that some of them are not as independent as they are supposed to be, some are Tory inspired, some worked for or used to work for ATOS or the DWP, how can you be independent if you work for ATOS and are sitting on an appeal panel ?.

    There’s not many who sit on these panels work for ATOS but it has happened in the past, I remember three years ago when I was studying all this nonsense to try and make some sense of it when I read this story on a welfare rights website.

    A man went to the tribunal and thought he recognised the Doctor on the panel, he couldn’t quite place him, and wracked his brains trying to remember, anyway he lost his appeal, and when he got outside he remembered, it hit him like a ton of bricks, the Doctor on the panel had assessed him for Incapacity benefit some time before, in other words the Doctor had or was already working for ATOS, the claimant informed his welfare rights officer, and they were forced in to another appeal demanding to know how the ATOS Doctor could possibly be impartial etc.
    So these panels are in the main impartial, but some are not, and there’s various reasons why they are not.

    Ask yourself this question, since 99% of ATOS assessment reports are fabricated, and the panels all know they are fabricated then how are only 40% of claimants winning their appeals ? why are these panels even bothering to read these ATOS assessment report lies and taking on board anything ATOS say ? in a proper court of law they wouldn’t be allowed to be presented as evidence because they are well known liars, but in an appeal hearing for benefits they are allowed to present their rubbish assessment reports as evidence.

    After you’ve answered that question, and there can only be one answer then you have came to the same conclusion as I did all those years ago which is it’s all a scam, everything about the appeals system is a farce.

    And that’s something else we need to change, as well as ATOS corruption and DWP corruption we need to address the corruption in these so called courts of appeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 18, 2013 @ 9:04 am

  695. Thank you, that is what I sort of thought. I have just read a link saying that when you fail your med assessment, you cannot now appeal immediately from April? you prob already know this but I will get the link up if you like

    Comment by lorraine — February 18, 2013 @ 9:10 am

  696. Hi, this is what I found and read
    Changes to appealing ESA and DLA Decisons from April 2013

    Hope it is useful if you have not already seen it.

    Comment by Lorraine — February 18, 2013 @ 9:14 am

  697. I have to say, I find the Atos med a form of abuse, and it helps me to have found so many blogs and forums and information to make me feel less isolated about all this. I feel like asking when going into my interview, have you already failed me for being here, because if so, what is the point of wasting each others time. I will be taking my daughter with me and will be afraid to speak or make any facial expression at all as Iknow I will be filmed. I will be mentally scarred for life by the domestic violence I was in and this process is a form of mental abuse and since I had my letter, I can feel myself getting worked up as on of my ‘other personalities’ kicks in to protect the birth me. Yes, I know, mumble jumble but you may know what I mean. I will be upping my med to cope. I have to keep calm about it all and be resolved that my life and finances are about to undergo another major upheaval until the the new case is settled. Although getting to an appeal may also now involve further difficulties and complications if they have reviewed the whole appeal process to put people off. I won’t be.

    Comment by Lorraine — February 18, 2013 @ 9:21 am

  698. Hi, the ironic thing is, with my new criminal conviction which is going to follow me around like a bad smell, even though I have paid my debt to society, getting a job with this conviction would be nigh on impossible. Every form will no doubt ask about recent/current convictions, and one for assault with intent is not going to open doors for me is it. So when they inevitably mark me down as fit for work, who the hell would want to take me on!

    Comment by Lorraine — February 18, 2013 @ 9:26 am

  699. Thanks for that link Lorraine, terrible food for thought.
    These Tories really are dreadful horrible people..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 18, 2013 @ 10:47 am

  700. It’s a horrible situation to be in Lorraine, no one is going to get a job anyway so it’s not just you, and it’s going to get worse when Cameron opens the doors of Britain to millions of Indians and beggars from Bulgaria/Rumania then we can say goodbye to any kind of British civilisation.




    Comment by dwpexamination — February 18, 2013 @ 10:55 am

  701. Hi I have to pay the spare bedroom tax for my spare bedroom from April, although it is in regular use by the grandkids and my daughter. We are separated by 18 miles with no car, and no bus on a Sunday, so you can see it comes in useful. I will pay the tax for this purpose. I do question though, with the shortage of social housing and so many on the waiting list already, where the hell they plan to house the new influx of immigrants in 2014. It all seems a bit crazy to me.

    Comment by Lorraine — February 18, 2013 @ 1:33 pm

  702. That’s the point, they don’t care where they live, as you can see the Daily mail have strongly highlighted the influx of Indian students and beggars from Rumania and Bulgaria you will search in vain for any mention of where they will live or how they will get a job to support themselves, the message is then ‘OPEN UP THE DOORS AND LET THEM ALL IN’, not that we can take anything the Daily mail says as a fact, but food for thought..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 18, 2013 @ 1:51 pm

  703. There are all kinds of issues now aren’t there. I worry about the strain on our hospitals, our midwives (shortage of) can’t cope as it is. And the schools, as well as all the rest of the things that extra people coming to live here put a strain on. And yes, where will they live? I don’t see a building project like there was in the 1920/30’s taking place when there was a severe housing shortage and they needed to move people from the awful Victorian terraces that were basically slums. Rather, it looks like they want to return us to renting privately – or the Workhouse!

    Comment by Lorraine — February 18, 2013 @ 2:33 pm

  704. And not that it is relevant, but my great gran had to go to the workhouse with my nan and her sister. My gran was in Plymouth workhouse from age 7 until she was 18. Council housing and the Welfare system was brought in to do away with all that poverty and need. I rest my case.

    Comment by Lorraine — February 18, 2013 @ 2:35 pm

  705. Regarding Atos, I am put in mind of a subject I have read a great deal about, and in the late 70’s lived with survivors who had gone through what I was reading about in ttose books. I refer of course to Nazi Germany and their selection process used in concentration camps. Now whilst I would never dream of making light of that time in history or using it as a cheap comparison, I am put in mind of the selection process – able bodied and fit (or what the commandant deemed to be) left, those not fit, old, ill etc…right line. (or maybe the other way round), my point is, this is what it feels like to me. Abusive, demeaning, stripping you of any privacy, personal life, private life, no compassion, just contempt. And I have read some articles where ex employees of Atos have in their own defence said that they were “only following orders”…..need I say more.

    Comment by Lorraine — February 18, 2013 @ 2:50 pm

  706. I would like to make the point that Atos is a French company and of course, we all know that the French collaborated with zee Germans. Which is why Paris did not need rebuilding after the war, unlike the rest of the major cities in Britain, Europe etc.

    Comment by Lorraine — February 18, 2013 @ 2:54 pm

  707. Had doctors yesterday, asked if she had had my ESA form to fill in prior to my med assess, she said no, this was not common practice….she did however, when asked, say yes, she thought I should take my shrink report in, this is the one from my court case last year. However, I was under the impression that anything over 6 months old was considered histronic and therefore, not relevant to “my condition” on 4 March the day of my forthcoming assessment? Any comments at all would be appreciated thanks -

    Comment by Lorraine — February 21, 2013 @ 2:00 pm

  708. By ESA form I mean one that I thought they sent to your doctor so they have a doctor’s report on you?

    Comment by Lorraine — February 21, 2013 @ 2:01 pm

  709. Hello Lorraine.

    I took a GPs report to the tribunal that was two years old and I won the appeal, so you can take yours as well because you have an ongoing health condition don’t you ?.

    There’s a myth going around and spreading like a disease that says that ATOS contact your GP and ask for medical reports on your health, now you have to ask yourself WHY ON EARTH WOULD THEY DO THAT ?.

    Why would ATOS be interested in requesting and reading a report from your GP if they are trying every trick in the book to get you off sicknesss benefits ?.

    If you want to get help in the form of a written medical report from your GP then take it from me you will be getting it yourself, ATOS will not be interested in the slightest in helping you to get one.

    They don’t even read the one that you will show them, showing ATOS a medical report is a formality, the medical report will be for the tribunal not to show to ATOS.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 21, 2013 @ 4:53 pm

  710. Wise words, and yes, you are right, what is the point of taking any supporting evidence of on-going health issues etc, when I will no doubt be marked fit for work for turning up for the med!! I have been failed twice before, passed once, so know what to expect now and will be at the ready to forward all docs to the tribunal appeal. I told my doctor yesterday it feels like abuse. She nodding in sympathy but made no comment.

    Comment by Lorraine — February 21, 2013 @ 6:06 pm

  711. Can you please let me know how to print off the form you suggest that is helpful to have near the phone when they call, I have tried your sister site for the template but can’t find it.

    Comment by Garry Maguire — February 22, 2013 @ 1:35 pm

  712. Go to the sister site and just ask them for the link Garry.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 22, 2013 @ 3:07 pm

  713. I have tried, even signed up with them, every template under the sun exept the one you recommend to record phonecalls from ATOS,I am not good enough with computers and I cannot get anywhere with your sister site, and I would realy like these forms soon, as they are going to contact us within the next two weeks, that could be as soon as Monday the 25th Feb, please HELP.

    Comment by Garry Maguire — February 22, 2013 @ 7:12 pm

  714. How does Joe Blogs check anyones cedentials with the BMA, IS THIS ALLOWED, WHAT ABOUT CONFIDENTUALITY LAWS?.If there is , please let me know how to do it, as I think I am going to need it.

    Comment by Garry Maguire — February 24, 2013 @ 10:21 am

  715. Garry…The BMA is the Doctors union, and ATOS workers don’t really need to be a member, maybe the General medical council (GMC) would be a good place to start, if you know the HCPs medical number then you can try it, I’ve provided the link below, and then click the ”List of medical practitioners’.


    Comment by dwpexamination — February 24, 2013 @ 12:57 pm

  716. Thank’s very much for your help, that is a great link you gave me, I would not have found it on my own.
    Than you again.

    Comment by Garry Maguire — February 25, 2013 @ 10:47 am

  717. Cheers Garry…I remember looking it up myself once..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 25, 2013 @ 3:25 pm

  718. Were you able to get the information you required?, and was it helpful in your case.Am I entitled to ask the assessor for their name an qualifications and what knowledge they have of my wife’s illnesses, or can they refuse to answer any of this type of question. Thank’s again for your help. Garry. Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:25:34 +0000 To: garrymaguire1@live.co.uk

    Comment by Garry Maguire — February 26, 2013 @ 5:03 pm

  719. Hello Gary.

    I only had the name of the Doctor who examined me at the time, I didn’t have his reg number, but the name was not particularly common, only three on there with that name and one of them was banned from practice, but no luck’ it wasn’t the one who examined me because it was a different middle (Initial) name.

    But the other two were proper Doctors and licenced to practice in this Country, so I couldn’t use that at my tribunal.

    Would have been wonderful though if the Doctor who was banned had examined me, that might sound impossible but some people have reported that when they checked up on the GMC website the Doctor who examined them was really banned, went to the tribunal and announced….”HEY WHAT IS THIS, NOW LOOK HERE, THIS GUY, THIS SO CALLED DOCTOR IS BANNED FROM PRACTICE, IS THIS SOME KIND OF CLUMSY ATTEMPT TO STITCH ME UP ?”.

    By the way, you have every right to ask for the HCPs qualifications, their reg number etc. Some have already done so, you can find out more and what happened on our sister site, there’s even a video of a guy in Glasgow surreptitiously filming his so called assessment at Cadogan street Glasgow asking the same type of questions.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 26, 2013 @ 10:10 pm

  720. Thank’s for that, is there a copy of what the assessor has in front of them, showing the list of questions that they ask, like the official form, or is that asking a bit too much, I’m sure they do not want us to have that sort of info.If it is available do you have a link to it?. Thank’ Garry. Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:10:44 +0000 To: garrymaguire1@live.co.uk

    Comment by Garry Maguire — February 27, 2013 @ 11:45 am

  721. The questions they ask are just basic, and vary from individual to individual.
    Stuff like : Can you do this that and the next thing, Can you lift your arm ?, how do you do your shopping ?, how did you get to the assessment centre ?, can you cook a meal ?, can you use a micro wave ?.

    And all asked in a monotone voice, like an automaton..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 27, 2013 @ 3:05 pm

  722. I got the phone call today at 12:30, some halfwit wanting to speak to my wife, I told him she was asleep and I would be acting on her behalf, he said it was only a courtesy call, basically the same as what the initial letter contained, with a few extra questions, I asked what these might be , he refused to say as I was not on their records as an appointee, I also asked politely if he could send the extra questions in writing, his answer” I don’t know what you are talking about”, and evert question I put to him after that, I got the same reply, “oh, I would have to ask my Supervisor about that, but he did not ask. He was so flustered by this time that he said,” I cannot continue with this call any longer, I have other people to ring, and hung up.They phoned again 13:11pm, but I was out at the shop, I tried to return the call, but they have some system in place that reads your phone number and you get an automated answer, The DSS tried to phone you, but could not make contact, if we need to, we will call again. I tried calling two more times with the same result, therefore barring me from making contact with them.I wanted to know how I become my wife’s appointee, but if they have barred me from contacting them, how am I supposed to achieve this.Has anyone else come up against this, any advice would be helpful. Good luck to everyone. Thank you for providing this site. Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:05:13 +0000 To: garrymaguire1@live.co.uk

    Comment by Garry Maguire — February 27, 2013 @ 5:26 pm

  723. Hi Garry.

    You could look at your wife’s correspondence and find out the number of the office that deals with her claim, phone them up and surprise them. You may have to answer a few security questions, but to be honest Garry I would be surprised if they don’t insist you write to them instead.
    Don’t forget to go to our sister site Garry, all you need to do is register and then log in, it’s a frre site like this one, we don’t charge people money to access our site/s.


    Comment by dwpexamination — February 27, 2013 @ 7:30 pm

  724. Thank’s Joe, but the phone number on the letter is the same as what came up on the caller ID.

    Comment by Garry Maguire — February 27, 2013 @ 7:43 pm

  725. I’ve found that talking to the DWP on the phone is usually hopeless, and I stopped years ago, now I only correspond by mail.
    Even asking for an appeal form is a monumental task on the phone sometimes, I just gave up and started lettering them..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 28, 2013 @ 12:48 am

  726. Hi Joe, the caller said he was from the DSS, is this the same as the DWP Branch?. and do you know if they can stop benefits because I did not let him ask his question.I am trying to find a different phone number to tell them that I wish to represent my wife’s case and how to go about doing this. Do I have the right to say I want no more correspondence from them until they recognise me as her appointed representative, maybe this will slow things down if as you say I should put it in a letter to them.I am very interested to find out what , ” just a few extra question were that he wanted to ask my wife, probably, can you attend an assessment tomorrow?, I am going to insist on a home visit anyway. Thank’s Garry. Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 00:49:19 +0000 To: garrymaguire1@live.co.uk

    Comment by Garry Maguire — February 28, 2013 @ 12:48 pm

  727. I thought you had to legally appointed to be an appointee , I may be wrong
    Sent from my BlackBerry smartphone from Virgin Media

    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — February 28, 2013 @ 12:50 pm

  728. Sent them the request through their contact us page, made a copy also a copy of their received answer, so I will wait and see what they say.


    Comment by Garry Maguire — February 28, 2013 @ 2:52 pm

  729. Hi Garry.

    No they can’t stop your wife’s benefits because you refused to answer a question.
    There is no DSS (Department of social security), it’s called the DWP now (Department of work and pensions), and has been called the DWP for a while now.
    If you insist on a home visit which is her right, then you will not be entertained unless you have some kind of written support from her GP.

    As I said, phone calls are hopeless, they can deny everything they say, better to write to them.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 28, 2013 @ 3:41 pm

  730. So, I cannot be an appointee for my wife as she is capable of talking, and has no mental problems, you have to fill in a form stating why you should be an appointee, then someone comes and assesses the claiment, just to make it as hard as possible, also I requested a home visit, this has to be backed up with a letter from your GP. I don’t think this will be a problem, as our GP. is very understanding, and knows all about my wife’s illnesses.Does anyone know how much the Benefit is if you fail the test and have a waiting period before appeal, I can’t remember the name of it.

    Comment by Garry Maguire — March 1, 2013 @ 7:58 pm

  731. I had to go through all that myself when my grandmother had Alziemers its a bit of a nightmare but once its done that’s it.
    At least you have a good GP my GP is a useless tory who won’t do anything for me and thinks because I’ve put weight on probably due to medications and not being able to be very mobile she makes me feel like a drain on society and I would be better of dead so when I get called for my assessment I don’t stand a chance . Good luck I would defo go for the appointee thing it was many years ago I was appointee for my Nan but it did make things a lot easier
    Sent from my BlackBerry smartphone from Virgin Media

    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — March 1, 2013 @ 8:16 pm

  732. I think its £71
    Sent from my BlackBerry smartphone from Virgin Media

    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — March 1, 2013 @ 8:17 pm

  733. it is £71 thats what i have been on since i launched my appeal last june, i have just found out i have lost my appeal because they have taken the report of a nurse over the letters from my gp and surgeon urologist, i have now sent of the letter saying i will go to tribunal…i also thought i might add this link for folks to read about worse to come…http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2013/02/27/member-of-fit-for-work-coalition-brought-in-to-scrutinise-atos/?replytocom=35576#respond

    Comment by derek — March 1, 2013 @ 9:05 pm

  734. It’s called the assessment rate, and I can confirm it’s £71.
    The assessment rate is ESA without the working component payment, the working component is all backdated into your account by the DWP if you win the appeal at the tribunal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 1, 2013 @ 11:13 pm

  735. Thank’s for the info on th £71 payment, I take it that it is paid on a monthly basis.

    Comment by Garry Maguire — March 2, 2013 @ 12:15 pm

  736. At the moment Garry it’s payable every two weeks, not sure if that will definitely change to monthly when the Universal credit kicks in though..!!
    And don’t forget you have the same rent and council tax rebate as well.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 2, 2013 @ 12:24 pm

  737. I think its fortnightly but I’m not 100% on that
    Sent from my BlackBerry smartphone from Virgin Media

    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — March 2, 2013 @ 2:26 pm

  738. Thank’s very much, Is anyone browsing this site, have: Sero Negative Inflamatory Rheumatoid Arthritis?, if so how were you treated by ATOS, my wife’s Consultant has previously written in a letter that: There is no known cure for this illness, which puts it in the Long Term Illness category, how do they view this, page 20 of the Equality Act 2012 makes interesting reading on this, covering Rheumatoid Arthritis, my wife’s condition is beyond that stage, she has to attend Hospital once a month every month, to receive an Infusion of what they call: Biologics. This takes 2-3 hrs to administer, with another hour’s recovery time before she is allowed home.I would welcome any advice from anybody with knowledge on this.

    Thank’s, for providing such a great site.


    Comment by Garry Maguire — March 2, 2013 @ 3:16 pm

  739. Garry…head over to our sister site, they may know something about it http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 2, 2013 @ 4:29 pm

  740. Can you please tell me where I would get the ESA113 Form?.

    Comment by Garry Maguire — March 3, 2013 @ 10:29 pm

  741. If the claimant fails the ATOS Test, should they fill in the ESA Claim forms, or simply go straight for appeal, however long it takes, and claim the £71 Assessment Rate, without filling out the form?.

    Thank’s, Garry.

    Comment by Garry Maguire — March 3, 2013 @ 11:18 pm

  742. Garry.

    If the claimant fails the ATOS assessment then you cannot claim ESA again for at least six months, and so you will have to fill in a GL24 form in order to appeal against the DWPs decision to find fit for work.
    You can get a GL24 form amongst other forms from the DWP office who deals with your claim.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 4, 2013 @ 7:19 am

  743. Hi, I have a question. If you applied for ESA within the 6 months of receiving it before, what happens when the 3month medical certificate runs out and then you are fit for work. I have had no money for the 3 months while I was waiting for ATOS assessment ( which I`m still waiting for) and its been 4 months now and I am now signed on at the jobcentre and will be receiving jsa soon. What happens about the 3 months where I got nothing, something seems wrong here, surely I should get some payment for that 3 month medical certificate?


    Comment by Anonymous — March 4, 2013 @ 8:46 am

  744. My wife is still receiving the Incapacity Benefit, so she has never had any ESA type payments, does this mean if she fails, she cannot apply for it again until six months have past?, this will be her first assessment under ATOS, so if she does fail, would it not be better just to go straight to the Appeal stage and claim the £71.00, and wait it out?.
    No info yet on my last question, where would I get the ESA113 Form, for the GP to fill out on all current medications.

    Thank you to all the people that have given me info.


    Comment by Garry Maguire — March 4, 2013 @ 12:26 pm

  745. Hello Janice.

    You should have been receiving the assessment rate for those three months.
    Because when you apply for ESA, the assessment rate is supposed to last a maximum of 13 weeks, with the assessment rate being paid until ATOS assess your fitness for work.
    You say you started work after the three months, then you should have been paid the assessment rate of £71 a week.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 4, 2013 @ 9:30 pm

  746. Hi Garry.

    As I understand it, the DWP used to send the old IB113 to the GP and the GP would fill it in, then the system changed to ESA at the end of 2008 and became the ESA113, and the DWP quickly found out they couldn’t cope with all the GPs returns so they will only send one to your GP if you request them to send one, but you are right to be confused because when you ask the DWP to send one they refer you to ATOS and when you ask ATOS to send one they refer you to the DWP.

    So you can see they are playing each other, it’s a disgrace, and I don’t see a way out of it other than to demand the DWP take responsibility and send your GP an ESA113 and if they refuse then ask what your options are, and please inform me by letter.

    When I was on IB I received zero points and appealed, so the DWP suggested I apply for ESA, which I did and was assessed again and failed again with zero points, so I had two appeals one after the other, an appeal for IB and an appeal for ESA.

    So if she fails the IB and she appeals, then she can just ask for the assessment rate while she waits for the IB appeal to be heard, since she is receiving the assessment rate she can wait and see if the assess her for ESA in the meantime.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 4, 2013 @ 9:48 pm

  747. hello,, thank you for your reply about my esa. i did not receive any money at all, they said because it was a pre existing condition and that i had claimed for it before within 6 months, they could not pay me anything until i had an assessment, not even the basic rate.


    Comment by Anonymous — March 5, 2013 @ 9:58 am

  748. There’s got to be – according to the powers that be – a six month period before you can re-apply for ESA after a refusal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 5, 2013 @ 10:17 am

  749. So what did you live on ? Would they not offer you crisis payments ?
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    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — March 5, 2013 @ 10:18 am

  750. They told me i could get a crisis loan for 2 weeks only , and a couple of advisers told me the only way i could get income was to lie and go on jobseekers until i went for my assessment. fortunately i had a daughter who is working so she supported us bless her. i am on a trial drug for my asthma for the next 33 weeks so hopefully i can find a job that wont mind me going to the hospital for an iv once a month, i do want to work, but it is very frustrating when you are ill that they cant help you, especially when its a lifelong problem.


    Comment by Anonymous — March 5, 2013 @ 11:14 am

  751. Oh what trial drug are you on ? I have chronic brittle asthma and spend my life on a nebuliser and oxygen I’m always interested in any news on new drugs , take care
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    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — March 5, 2013 @ 11:17 am

  752. Help please again
    I’ve gone over to ESA and in support group they just won’t leave you alone! I’ve now had a letter questioning my occupational pension saying that I may get it stopped as I get £239 a month pension is this right?
    Thank you

    Comment by Helen — March 8, 2013 @ 11:24 am

  753. hi carole,

    the drug is mepolizumab, i have it once a month, as an iv and also an injection. i believe only 550 on this drug tial wordwide, it wont be on the market for another 2 years or so.


    Comment by Anonymous — March 8, 2013 @ 12:58 pm

  754. Before you went on the trials where you on nebulized medication and theophyllin treatments ?
    I hope the trial helps you asthma is a dreadful illness its blighted my life since I was a little girl I blame my weight problem and the fact I’m racked with joint pain on the massive steroid use over the years . My doctors are useless all they seem to see me as is a drain on the NHS .
    Take care and good luck .
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    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — March 8, 2013 @ 1:39 pm

  755. Helen…Don’t mess around, we have experts on our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org head over there and get all the information you need.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 8, 2013 @ 2:09 pm

  756. Okay dont want to appear thick… but how do I leave a post on there cant see the wood for the trees so to speak, talk about stress :-( Thank you for your help though, you helped me before, its just an on going saga

    Comment by Helen — March 8, 2013 @ 2:29 pm

  757. Hello Helen.

    Your not thick, it’s like everything else that’s new, you just have to fiddle around with it.
    The first thing you do is think of a username and register, then log in, both those buttons are at the top right hand side.
    Then when you are in you will see right in front of you all the different forum pages, useful links, general discussion, political page etc, if you want to ask an ESA/DLA type question then pick the General discussion page and click on it, you will see the last page so enter a comment, click on there and enter your comment then scroll to the very bottom of the page and you will see the submit button, just click it and the message will send.
    You just need to take your time and fiddle around and it will all come to you, taking your time is the key.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 8, 2013 @ 2:53 pm

  758. Do you go to an asthma clinic at all? They did one at my local GP practice which I felf was a waste of time, but in the end they referred me to a consultant and I now got to the asthma clinic at the hospital where he is based, it made a big difference. He has done more for me in one year than the asthma clinic at my GPs has done in years. Like you, I have had asthma since I was a year old, and yes I am on several inhalers, plus 2 lots of pills and steroids, which cause alot of problems with weight, bone loss etc. At the moment I am on jsa as I cant get any esa payments because I claimed for this illness within 6 months of applying again, which as its a long term illness seems so wrong that they wont pay esa. I feel like I`m being punished for trying to work, it didnt work out and now they refuse to pay me because I had to stop work again.
    I hope you can get onto this treatment eventually because I think its going to help alot of people with difficult asthma. Take care, I do know exactly what you are going through.


    Comment by Anonymous — March 8, 2013 @ 4:42 pm

  759. I went to the asthma clinic they discharged me saying that there was nothing else they could do for me but left my file open in case my asthma went worse. That’s a disgrace that you can’t get ESA chronic asthma is a real debilitating illness and all the seconderys you get with it , I found it impossible to carry on working , I’m still on the old IB at some point soon ill be reassessed and probs end up having to fight my case like all the good people on this site , good luck janice I hope the treatment makes a difference to your life and I hope you get your money sorted soon .
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    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — March 8, 2013 @ 4:59 pm

  760. helen on the pension they wont stop it on that amount but will reduce it to fit are you paying tax on your pension, i pay tax on mine and before they put me on this esa they adjusted the amount they gave me, unless all the new guidlines coming in soon mean payment will be different,..

    Comment by derek — March 8, 2013 @ 10:31 pm

  761. Hi
    I pay tax on it and had it since 1996
    When I was on incapacity it didn’t effect it why does it now?
    Thank you for the reply how much are they going to take from it? Oh gosh this is just a living hell I really do find it so hard to cope

    Comment by Helen — March 8, 2013 @ 10:35 pm

  762. well i cant say as yours is different than mine but they still paid me about £80 or there abouts now i am on the esa £71 and the tax i pay through my pension takes that into account, i am going to tribunal when they get back to me so fingers crossed,what annoys me is they put us through all this messing when we have paid in all our lives and dont want to give back, but they have issued a leaflet saying comeing from abroad..how to claim your benefits…

    Comment by derek — March 8, 2013 @ 10:40 pm

  763. Hi Derek
    I know I got put into the support group had two letters saying that my money wouldn’t change then all of a sudden they spring this one! I wouldn’t mind but I didn’t ask to be put in this situation hate it they have us over a barrel good luck x

    Comment by Helen — March 8, 2013 @ 10:43 pm

  764. HELP!!!

    i reapplied for esa within 6 months with same illness, had no payments for esa as i have to wait for assessment, its now 4 months since i lost my job because of my asthma and still no assessment and no payments from esa.! i went onto jsa in February (i waited for my medical certificate to run out) and got my first payment for £142 just over a week ago for jsa, I now have just received a letter to state that they might be stopping my jsa because of the circumstances of losing my job back at the end of October. When I had my first interview at the jobcentre they checked about my esa it says its dormant! Does this mean because its waiting for assessment? If i lose my jsa I am going to have no income again. What can I do? If I apply again for esa after the 6 month period, which by my reckoning is in about 2 months, would I have the same problem because my record is showing dormant and still no assessment? Surely if its dormant and I have no appointment yet from atos wouldit be considered a new claim, because if it doesnt, how can I ever claim it again?


    Comment by Anonymous — March 9, 2013 @ 10:43 am

  765. Hello Anonymous.

    You should have asked for and been paid the assessment rate after being accepted for ESA, if you don’t ask them they don’t tell you and they will let it just lapse, you must also state either a worsening of your present health condition or a new health condition, applying for ESA on your old health condition might not be enough, especially if you were refused ESA in the past.
    You have to write the DWP a letter and ask for the assessment rate to be granted and also ask for it to be backdated, but you have complicated matters because you have signed on for work, this means in their eyes that you are fit to work.
    You need to get advice on this as soon as possible, do not ask the DWP for advice because they will deliberately misinform you.
    Instead seek advice from the CAB or the local welfare rights office.

    You can also get great advice on our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 9, 2013 @ 12:09 pm

  766. Thank you, but I did speak to several people who told me that because of legislation they could not pay me anything as i was reapplying within 6 months and would have to wait for assessment. I have sent them a letter from my consultant stating that my asthma was severe and was a lifelong illness, when I asked if they had received this letter, they said yes but it didnt change anything and I would have to wait for atos. I was also told by the esa dept. that alot of people go on jobseekers while they are waiting because it takes so long. It is so confusing, I have never been in a jobcentre until last month, as I have been employed just about all my life (I am 57). Now that I am having trouble with an illness that I have had all my life, I cannot get any help
    I will go to CAB this week and see if they can help me, thank you. I was wondering whether to get legal advice from a local solicitors as its free one evening a week in my hometown, but am not sure they would want to get involved in DWP stuff.


    Comment by Anonymous — March 9, 2013 @ 12:43 pm

  767. Anywhere you can get legal advice Janice, the CAB are the better bet though.
    Perhaps you didn’t apply until six months were expired ? if your even a day early in applying before the six months that could give the DWP the excuse to say you are not entitled to ESA, the DWP are not known for being truthful, they will not help you by saying please apply tomorrow or next week etc.
    Anyway your case is complicated and you should get that advice, better to take all your paperwork in as well, and a note of all your dates when you applied etc, just don’t ever take the DWPs word for anything.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 9, 2013 @ 1:46 pm

  768.   ESA help

    designed to make you fail The work capability assessment is the same one that was banned in the usa! It can not distinguish between someone with a splinter in their finger and someone with hours to live

    feb 2013 the government has announced regulators governing eligbility for benefits for disabled people will be changed, as a result, how and not just weather a claimant is able to accomplish tasks like walking and planning journeys. Will help determine the amount they are entitled to in benefits. Claiments who manage the tasks, but not reliably will get higher payments.

    important totally ignore a 4 page form titled ~ can I get disability living allowance ( the DLA adult checklist )~ This form is designed to make most people who will qulify for DLA look like they dont. Especially those with mental health problems. So follow my advice and chuck this form in the bin where it deserves to be. And go ahead with your claim for DLA.     WARNING. DO NOT TRUST THE DWP, THEY WILL LIE TO YOU. AND SET YOU UP TO FAIL BEING ENTITLED TO ESA BENIFIT.   And so it begins

    first you will get a brown envelope through the post with your ESA IB50 form enclosed. You will have to fill this in – first photocopy each and every page of this form then fill in the photocopyed form in great detail, do not leave anything out that benefits your claim and leave out anything that benefits them. Neveruse words like – sometimes, might, possibly, could – instead use words like always, non stop, can not, never – get the picture. Rememberit is not what you say thats important to Atos, it is how you say it. once you have filled in the photocopyed form, it is just a simple matter of copying what you have put in the photocopyed form onto the origiinal form. Alwaysinclude as much supporting eveidence from Doctors, Consultents, pysciatrists ext.

    once you have got every thing together, photocopy every page of the finished ESA IB50 form and every page of the supporting evidence ext. long winded I know. But this is absoulotly crucial when you appeal.

    Then it just a case of posting it off you must always send it by recorded delivery,this means they have to sign for it, so giving you proof that they received it.

    pc add on

    write out in great detail about your illness ext

    put a reference number on this pc add on

    print your pc add on and staple it to your ESA IB50 form

    write in the extra imformation section in the ESA IB50 form that you have included this extra supporting evidence and what the reference number is

    by doing this they can not say they did not receive it

    if you have not filled in the form with much information about your conditions ext, then you will proberly be asked to go to a medical examination. This could be at a local building or in your own home. I would never have this in your own home, you are simply asking for trouble. When you go for your medical assessment, always take some one with you. Be polite and honest, they will try to get you angry by talking insultingly at you. This is a ploy

    watching you turn up and leaving watching you in the reception dropping something on the floor

    Remember they are almost certainly going to turn you down even if you was bought in on a streatcher on a drip. This is part of the game. Do not worry. Why, because you have already won, if you have followed my instructions when filling in the ESA IB50 form.

    usually after a wait of about three months you will here back from Atos. You will receive a E.S.A 85A medical report from them, which will say an Atos employee usually a registered nurse! Has judged your case and has come to a decision. Almost always you will be turned down. Do not worry, this is normal – they are trying it on. You could be at deaths door and still be found fit to work – this is a scam similer to the banks use when people claim on their payment protection loan insurance. They turn everyone down, hoping that a certain percentage will not appeal and give up. So they do not then have to pay you what you are rightfully intitled to by law. Yes, it is our own polititions doing this to us.

    Appeal, Appeal, Appeal.And do it quick – you have 30 days from the date on the letter that states you have been turned down.

    this is not a problem, why? Because you have a photocopy of all the information you originally sent them. Just because they turned you down, dos not mean that you filled in the form wrong or did not send enough supporting evidence. Just photocopy it all again. Add a short letter saying you wish to appeal the decision as youknow it to be wrong, explaining why you know it to be wrong.

    There is onecrucial thingyou will have to do before sending off your appeal. Phone you Doctors reception and ask for a photocopy of the ESA113 form from your doctor. You should not have to pay for this

    What is an ESA113 form. It is the form Atos send your Doctor to get information on your illness. He will fill this in on both sides and send it back to Atos. And they will use this in assessing your claim for ESA if it is relevent to you being turned down and weather you are to be placed in the support group or not.

    do not bother going to see anyone else other then your doctor as atos will not have been in touch with them.

    Remember– to be placed in the support group you need at least oneof the descriptors boxes ticked off on the back of the ESA113 form from your doctor. If this is the case. You should be in the support group. You will win your appeal if you bring this to their attention.

    if you feel the Doctor has missed out or made a mistake on the ESA113, make an apointment to see them, explain the situation and ask for a supporting letter explaining why they think they should amend their original diagnosis of your condition ext. and what descriptors boxes should have been ticked.

    When you receive the ESA113 copy and if needed a supporting amendment letter of the original ESA113 form. send these, all the photocopys of what you sent first and your appeal letter. Again by recorded delivery. You can not sent to much. But you can sent to little.

    This time you will get a fair hearing. Before it gos to court where your case for ESA will be assessed independently, the DWP will first be able to look again at their decision and over turn their original decietful decision, and of course they will do this if the information they first received shows them for what we all know them to be.

    the first time you do this its a lot of greif, but next time will be a lot easier as you have photocopys of every thing you have used and sent this time.

    Do not worry the law is on your side And the final appeal is independent


    Comment by john scott — March 9, 2013 @ 4:23 pm

  769. Thankyou John For all this imformation. You really have done your homework. I won my appeal to go into the support group by doing a lot of what you put on here, with the great help of the CAB.It is so unfair what we all go through & i am positively sure it is all illegal. Why is nothing being done to stop this. There are so many petitions going about to stop the abolishment of DLA. The one i have signed has over 40,000 signatures already. But do you seriously think the goverment etc are going to act it on. NOOOOOOOOO. But we all live in hope that some day we will have changes that benefit the sick & disabled, so we can have some relief and comfort as we grow old.

    Comment by Jean — March 9, 2013 @ 5:22 pm

  770. What does the spelling matter, its just a site run by ordinary people to help the sick and disabled
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    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — March 15, 2013 @ 8:54 am

  771. I’m due a home visit on the Sabbath, which i thought strange and i too am petrified, it’s worrying me and i can’t sleep thinking about all of these horror stories. I was so stressed out over it, got into a state and fell down the stairs last night, in agony with sore ribs but won’t go to the hospital, i just want it all over with.
    How can our own Govt allow this to carry on, ATOS should be shut down pending a thorough enquiry but it doesn’t look as if they will ever have to pay for what they’ve done to vulnerable.
    I am 65 later on this year so legally retired but still disabled…can they force me back to work, it doesn’t seem right?
    I’ve no one to turn to so i’m thinking all sorts. If so many have died shouldn’t they be looking at a wrongful death Class Action lawsuit? The whole thing reads like a horror story and it’s making me agitated and stressed out.
    I will lose everything if they do this to me…what’s the point.

    What if i don’t consent to a French IT company assessing me on health issues, what will happen?

    Comment by Zordana — March 16, 2013 @ 12:31 am

  772. Sadly they will suspend your money
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    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — March 16, 2013 @ 12:41 am

  773. Zordana.

    First of all they will not force you back to work, especially at your age, so on that at least you are worrying about nothing.
    They will come to your home and assess you, it will not take long, just a few tick box questions because they can’t wait to get in and ask the questions and get out. So do not stop them and give them any excuses to inform the DWP that you did not comply with their wishes.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 16, 2013 @ 12:04 pm

  774. Hello

    I have a ATOS assessment next week and I am a bit nervousness about it.

    I broke my coccyx 15 years ago and have suffered (at times) excruciating lower back pain. I have recently had an X-ray (will get the results before the assessment) as I think I may have a slipped disc. I suffer sciatica at times. I am also severely Dyslexic. I currently study a Masters degree in Art History. I am also a single farther to a wonderful six year old daughter. Does anyone think I may pass the examination or can anyone offer any advice.

    Thanks, Edward.

    Comment by Edward — March 16, 2013 @ 2:18 pm

  775. Hello Edward.

    The whole point of the assessment is to deliberately fail you and force you to appeal, it’s not about helping you to pass but about hindering you to try and stop you from getting sickness benefits, don’t let them do that to you, fight back, get the assessment and if you are forced to appeal then so be it.
    You can get all the help you need to deal with ATOS and the DWP here at our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org
    That’s information on what to do next, what forms to get, how to write an appeal, how long an appeal takes etc, what to do for money and rent and council tax rebates etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 16, 2013 @ 9:53 pm

  776. Hello

    Thank you for your reply. It’s great to see humans show empathy and compassion. Can’t help thinking ATOS/DWP could learn a thing or two from some of the posts here.

    I may have to cancel my upcoming assessment. Does anyone know if I will be waiting long for a new appointment or is a new date given over the phone upon cancellation? This is my first cancelation; I understand you only get one and I just wondered if you are offered another date very soon or it goes back into the system and you wait another few months.


    Comment by Edward — March 20, 2013 @ 1:22 pm

  777. Edward.

    It all depends on why you need to cancel the assessment, once they are satisfied that you need to cancel and have dealt with the reason that precludes you from being assessed, then it can be a just a matter of weeks or even days before they phone you offering a date, by the way you don’t need to accept their exact offer if they phone, you can say well that day doesn’t suit me, what about such and such a date.
    And you can come to an agreement.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 20, 2013 @ 1:39 pm

  778. Just finished filling out the ESA 50 Form, to be returned by the 5th April, had to pay £6.49 to make it so that they have to sign for it, and it’s trackable as well, this was done from your advice, as I also included Medical letters and Medications list, also a copy of the last appeal which we won and as it had no end timescale should still be current, my wife was awarded 28 points at the Tribunal and was left alone for years, until this new ESA came out, I filled in the form and told them to contact me rather than my wife.
    I also asked for a home visit, they said they would send one of HCP people out to see if a home visit was warranted or not.
    So now it’s just a waiting game, my wife is disabled, but I am not and I will fight them tooth and nail, as my wife is everything to me and I will not let these idiots over-rule her GP and Consultant.

    Good luck to all those in the same position.

    Comment by Garry Maguire — March 30, 2013 @ 2:44 pm

  779. Cheers Garry and good luck to you too..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 30, 2013 @ 3:49 pm

  780. Good luck to you both don’t ever give in
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    Comment by carolecags44@aol.com — March 30, 2013 @ 3:53 pm

  781. Get everything you can on the nurse that assessed you, and don’t forget that even these nurses are not qualified to medically assess anyone without a professional GMC qualified medical practitioner present, and if there wasn’t one there while you were being assessed, throw their assessment in their faces! The only thing Atos professional assessors are qualified at is filling in boxes on a pc, they’re NOT professional medical practitioners and have no GMC certificates to medically assess anyone!

    Well, the fact is, Atos are illegally medically assessing people without GMC accreditation or qualifications to carry out such medical assessments on anyone, so if people were to force the Gvmnt & DWP to answer why they’ve employed Atos to carry out medical assessments for which they have no qualifications to do so, then the Gvmnt and DWP have to drop Atos like a bad habit, that’s why my tribunal was closed, because for the illegalities of Atos being exposed to the public!

    Comment by Anonymous — April 2, 2013 @ 8:35 pm

  782. Great info ANON, if this is really true why are local MP’s, especially Labour or UKIP not jumping on this, even if it is only for Brownie points come the next Election. Or if your Tribunal was closed why are the Tribunal Commission not doing something about it, as it is their time that’s being wasted too.
    If the illegalities are being exposed to the Public, who is likely to pick this up and run with it, is there any thing we can do?, or is to high up the ladder.

    Good luck to all.

    Comment by Garry Maguire — April 3, 2013 @ 1:35 pm

  783. http://www.change.org/en-GB/start-a-petition
    how about starting a pettition using this link, to try and start it?

    Comment by Anonymous — April 4, 2013 @ 10:43 am

  784. Could Anonymous 784. Posted 2nd April, please get back in touch with us all, as that info could help many people at their Tribunal, but you need to put a bit more meat on the bone.
    How did this come about?, did the Panel bring it up, did you, or your representative, how was it brought to their attention.
    You can stay anonymous, that’s no problem, but please log on again and give us more info on how this all came about, as nobody has mentioned this before we obviously did not know about it, so please help everyone out with a bit more info.
    Thank’s, and good luck to all.

    Great site, keep up the good work.


    Comment by Garry Maguire — April 5, 2013 @ 3:49 pm

  785. Hi Garry, I am replying to you as per your request, ANONYMOUS POST 784, I am Richard Tedeschi in Brighton. I have got this info from someone I speak with on youtube, they had a CLOSE tribunal case, this means he appealed an Atos medical assessment in tribunal and found out the nurse who assessed him had no GMC qualifications hence making this nurse not qualified to medically assess anyone and his assessment illegal. He said he was going to make this public in tribunal and they were so ashamed of Atos conduct that they immediately reversed Atos decision in tribunal without even calling him to attend. So what he says is get as much info on the nurse who assessed you.

    I called GMC and they told me they do not have info about nurses but only doctors, I called NMC-UK.ORG and they have info about nurses.

    I have found another piece of information from another youtube person I speak with:


    I called the police to investigate about Atos/DWP acting illegaly and they said this:

    Dear Mr Tedeschi,

    Thank you for contacting Sussex Police.

    In the first instance you would need to contact the General Medical Council (GMC) and make a complaint. Any criminal proceedings would come from their investigations.

    Unfortunately not as if what your saying is true then this would involve incidents outside of Sussex, so the GMC would need to collate all their evidence from around the country and present it to someone like Scotalnd Yard to investigate. So I urge you to contact the GMC.

    Comment by Richard Tedeschi — April 5, 2013 @ 4:03 pm

  786. I am new here though not new to the Atos/DWP scandal/fraud.

    To get the name of the nurse who assessed you and their geographical area of practise call or write to Atos on the contacts they have on their page. After you get the the nurse’s name and geographical location go to: NMC-UK.ORG to get more info on the nurse, or call NMC.

    If you want the full medical assessment report call the job centre and you can see everything that the Atos nurse/doctor interpreted of what you said at your examination, in other words all the lies that Atos wrote on your assessment.

    Why is Atos and DWP doing all of this? It is easy to pick on someone who cannot defend themselves=Sick Disabled, but mostly it is because the sick and disabled produce no economic value to the country hence they are of no importance, must not be helped or even worse they must be eliminated, this is called STATE PROTO-NAZISM, Hitler used to apply the same ideals and they used to do it exactly with the same procedure as Atos/DWP, someone assesses you medically and then the decision maker who hasn’t even ever seen you makes the final decision and cuts your benefits and forces you into work which could potentially deteriorate your health or even kill you, or commit suicide as some have done, when/if you complain about it these companies never take the blame as it is always someone else who made the decisions.

    Keep on protesting anywhere and as much as you can (Local MP’s, online, sign online petitions, protest in public and so on) as this is all we have left at the moment, hopefully this shameful system will change soon with not too much more bloodshed

    Remember not to vote conservatives next time as they are the one’s who created this and all the lies and more shame they showcase in parliament to cover it up, people like Mark Hoban, Ian Duncan Smith, David Cameron…

    Comment by Richard Tedeschi — April 5, 2013 @ 4:58 pm

  787. Hi Gary.This imformation is known to only a few of us. I won my tribunal case because of the lies ATOS put on my medical report. Thankyou for the information i did not know about especially section 458.I have kept notes on all this when i am sent for yet another assessment. They think being sick & disabled we are all thick. We are not just very vunerable. I feel for the mentally sick Their disablement does not always show visable impairment.I have never voted for the tories i saw, as we all did the distruction they caused in the 80’s. Liberals are just tory puppets & cannot think for themselves. I just hope the labour party get their act together before the next general election. I have had people that voted the tories have their assessments go against them & now are saying they will not vote for them again. My answer to them is “You get all you deserve for voting for them in the first place.” I have signed every petition that comes up and will carry on doing so. I have also said right from the start that this is like the STATE PROTO-NAZISM It is a cleansing of the sick & disabled.

    Comment by Jean — April 6, 2013 @ 1:07 pm

  788. Hi Jean, it was me Richard who posted the information you read. I am amazed that today only after one month I received the Atos outcome of my second medical assessment to which I appealed I have already won once again for the second time and not been called to tribunal, when they call me once again for the third time all of this is going to make my case even stronger as someone GENUINE (unlike Atos) who already won two appeals without even going to tribunal and Atos/DWP even more of a scam, they still don’t realise that the more they continue with this farce the more they become NOT credible and the more enemies they will make.

    I don’t know if I won my second case because in my appeal I said I could prove all the lies both Atos DWP and the politicians in parliament who support Atos are saying, or because it was so obvious that the medical assessment is another lie from Atos, or because they’re just so busy and it cost too much to go to tribunal that they dropped everything.

    Small victory today for me, I must say I am kinda disappointed I cannot go to tribunal and make them all look like the criminals they are and ridiculous because I can prove everything I say, I am like a rabid dog foaming at the mouth right now, I want to destroy these people as much as I can because I have the energies to do it.

    Then I am working on creating a home business which is right for the autonomy of standing walking I have (I got a total knee replacement) and then hopefully move back to southern Europe where I would like to live.

    Comment by Richard Tedeschi — April 6, 2013 @ 2:19 pm

  789. Hi Richard. Glad you don’t have to attend another appeal, but a shame for you being so eager to get stuck into them like you said, a rabid dog lol!!! When i won my appeal they stated that i had to be reviewed within 3 months. But its been well 6months now. Keeping fingers crossed they have lost my file somewhere & leave me alone.Good luck on your home business. I wish i was any where but here in what used to be ‘GOOD Old ENGLAND’ For the last 3 yrs it has been so stressful with medical assessments poorer health and off course getting older. I am riding the waves for just over 2yrs then i can retire & hopefully be more settled without all the hassle.

    Comment by Jean — April 6, 2013 @ 5:19 pm

  790. Hi Jean, I just wanted to get right to the end of this in tribunal and damage them and their already non-existent credibility as much as I can because thanks to them (Atos DWP) I now have ZERO respect for Atos DWP and all the politicians behind this who are giving the orders and I think they first should pay for what they’re doing and then they should all be sent home because in my opinion Atos is a dead company, in the sense that it is only maintained alive by themselves and the corrupt politics behind it.

    I have far too much proof they’re all corrupt, liars, spineless bigot cowards for attacking the most vulnerable in society who many times cannot even defend themselves and that is the truly and genuinely sick and disabled, so as far as I am concerned it is fight fire with fire.

    These are the same people that scored me zero disability points fit for any type of work when I was on crutches with a broken knee on a waiting list for total knee replacement, they’re criminals, so I have no shame at all in giving them the same payback as they gave me, twice!

    On another note I wish everyone here the best of luck, we’re all on the same boat, keep on protesting and making the Atos shame public as it damages them.

    I wonder how long before I get called back for my third Atos assessment, I always write to Atos and tell them all I know and think about them, they’re pathetic at their e-mails excuses/replies, actually I am surprised they always get back at me, so next Monday I am going to write to them again and tell them to treat me good at my next medical examination as I am a good customer, I already made them money twice with the extra bonuses they got paid for throwing me out of benefit twice.

    Comment by Richard Tedeschi — April 6, 2013 @ 6:46 pm

  791. Hi, Richard, thank’s for the info, I checked out the Nurses site you gave out, excellent.
    As you said the Tribunal did not accept the Nurses Report, does this mean that no Nurse of any Grade is qualified to do a Medical Assessment on anyone, unless there is a GMC Doctor present, or are there some who are qualified?.

    Thank’s, Garry.

    Comment by Garry Maguire — April 6, 2013 @ 7:23 pm

  792. You’re welcome Jerry,

    on the NMC-UK.ORG website where nurses are registered I already reported the Atos nurse who assessed me for medical malpractice, then today to reinforce what I told them when I reported a couple of days ago I sent the outcome of my appeal from one month ago which I received today with the outcome that they have reversed the decision in my favour. I told to check these nurses as they give the medical profession are very bad and unprofessional name as Atos?DWP is a scam and they (Atos doctors & nurses) have ZERO dignity for destroying all the ideals they have studied for because Atos/DWP are doing the exact opposite of what GP’s, doctors, nurses and hospitals are doing.

    I was very innocent the first time I appealed Atos decision, I just sent a letter with something like WTF is this all about? They reversed the decision because it was ridiculous what and how Atos assessed me.

    Now the second time I appealed and won again without having to appear in tribunal I know a lot more about Atos/DWP, I’m not sure why they reversed their decision so quickly, obviously my Atos assessment is all distorted and full of lies like anyone else’s, but who knows maybe they were afraid of what I was going to say in tribunal, I told them I was going to uncover all the lies they said in parliament and I can prove it, maybe they’re just too busy or appeals cost too much and they dropped everything, until they call me in again for a third assessment.

    All I can say is get as much info on the nurse who assessed you because as far as I know some of these don’t have the qualifications to medically assess anyone, you can even have Atos members arrested as I wrote before, but in both instances you better search well and get your facts straight before you proceed or you may have more trouble than it’s worth it…

    Comment by Richard Tedeschi — April 6, 2013 @ 8:35 pm

  793. Sorry Garry not Jerry :-)

    Comment by Richard Tedeschi — April 6, 2013 @ 8:35 pm

  794. Hi Richard I like your style, writing to Atos about being a good customer lol!!. They are making a big fat profit for everyone they get chucked off. I saw a recent programme about this & was sickened to the stomach. I have always argued that a nurse or physio Therapist is not qualified to do assessments. They certainly do not have the right medical knowledge to perform them. What the hell does a physio therapist know about mental illness.I luckily had a doctor at my last assessment, but then who knows if he was qualified.These people employed by ATOS are trained to just ask questions already written down for them & to tick boxes, Any monkey could do that.When i had my last assessment i asked for a home visit as i had just come out of hospital after having ops on both feet. The doctor turned up saw i had both feet heavily bandaged & raised high. I had instructions to rest & not to walk about for a week. If it was to go to the toilet i had to walk on my heels with crutches.This so called doctor told me to stand & do some bending etc & walk. My daughter went mad & said i was not allowed to. In my medical report he said i was fit for work. This is only one of my health problems i suffer. I filled in details for the tribunal & stated what happened after my op. The judge asked me for full details on what the doctor asked me to do at the assessment. No wonder they over turned ATOS decision. They are all CORRUPT. They should all be sent packing & should be replaced by a much fairer & caring team.I have been thrown of twice now & won my last tribunal. I am getting wiser by the the minute by all the imformation i get. If i am called in again for yet another assessment then ‘BRING IT ON ATOS’!!!!

    Comment by Jean — April 6, 2013 @ 9:20 pm

  795. Hi Jean,

    I’m glad you have more experience to defend yourself, I am not surprised about the treatment you received from Atos, probably only someone who is new or doesn’t know them would be surprised, this is why I personally have no respect in the way I treat them because I know it is all one big corrupt show they’ve put up, I actually still can’t believe this is happening in the UK a country which I reckon to be civilised. I’ve seen the TV programs you’re talking about, also the one about the support groups and the bonuses they make when putting people into work and the way they completely abandon the most difficult cases because they make no money off of them.

    I was born in the UK from English mother and Italian father and grew up in Rome Italy… yes Italy, one of the most corrupt countries in the world and for sure the most corrupt in Europe, I have seen corruption in all it’s forms and have very little tolerance for it, I know exactly how to deal with these type of people like Atos (DWP unfortunately) and the politicians behind all of this who are giving the orders.

    I wrote to Atos about 10 times this year after they assessed me, these type of corrupt people are ALWAYS the same, the always blame someone else, in fact when I told them what I thought they were blaming it on DWP, when they could not wriggle out of it anymore then they started hiding behind laws, I told them how can you send someone on crutches with a broken knee on a waiting list for total knee replacement to work and give them zero disability points? They said: “We measure mobility by looking at how much you can flex your leg, for how long you can stand (One minute standing in front of the nurse) and because you walked 10 metres from the front door to the appointment room”, I said: “Oh really? What about the other 4 – 8 hours I may have to stand daily if I had to do work”?

    I told them that if they have to lie so much they should at least learn how to do it properly and that I was going to win my second appeal, tomorrow I am going to write to them again and tell them: “Look, see that I was right?” and show them that their medical assessment has been overturned in my favour once again, because I already told them I was going to win this one and I did, they even call me by my full name when I don’t identify myself, they must know me quite well, I also told them that I have reported them anywhere I can think of, I always make THEM feel like criminals when I contact them, I always tell Atos that KNOWLEDGE IS POWER and we have resources to all the knowledge we need and want, when I start getting very heavy handed with them Atos then they don’t reply anymore hahahhh…

    I have reported Atos DWP anywhere I could think of, I reported the nurse who assessed me to NMC-UK.ORG for an investigation and gave them proof that he lied/medical malpractice and told them they should check these nurses working for Atos because they’re giving the medical a very bad name, they are nurses with no dignity who are destroying the ethics behind it and everything they have studied for, just like Atos is destroying the very idea of GP’s, real nurses and doctors and hospitals, I wrote on online article in Italian about this scam. Keep on protesting for this to change

    Comment by Richard Tedeschi — April 7, 2013 @ 6:12 am

  796. Good for you Richard. We should all take a leaf out of your book & fight back with vengence. I remember watching a programme not lomg ago where they interviewed a nurse. She said herself the mediclas were corrupt & stuck up for the disabled people. No wonder she lost her job with ATOS. We need more people employed by them to make a stand. But money talks doesn’t it. I cannot for the life of me understand why this is still going on. Why is no one taking the sick & disabled seriously and fighting our corner. There are so many petitions going about & small demonstrations. We need a massive one outside Downing street to let Cameron know that we are sick of all the corrupt dealings going on with their party & Atos, And we have had enough. Small demo’s will not do anything. They must be laughing at us. We need to get the public behind us. On the news this morning Cameron sticks to his guns saying ‘The public 2 out of 3 agree with the new welfare reforms changes’ I would like to know where they get their figures from. Certainly isn’t the sick & disabled :(

    Comment by Jean — April 7, 2013 @ 11:30 am

  797. Hi Jean,

    If there is a protest organised in London count me in, I am going to write to the few groups I know to see if one can be organised, I have protested on the streets in Brighton a couple of times. I guess signing online petitions which go directly to the government is of some use.

    I think all of us many times don’t act unless it touches us personally, the petition about Ian Duncan Smith living on £ 53 a week was signed by 400.000 people in three days I think…? Disabled petitions seem to be signed less that some for animal welfare, this is scary considering what is going on in the UK and especially considering that ANYONE can fall sick and disabled at any time and this is the treatment they can expect… Sometimes it takes just one second to change the rest of your life, like it happened with me fracturing my leg/knee in a road accident.

    Atos/DWP are not the oppressor because at least you can try to argue with an oppressor, they are truly one of the worst enemies of every single person living in the UK, because there is no reasoning with them, I was going to ask the tribunal why I have to go in tribunal and defend myself against a corrupt state, but I am not going to tribunal, as you already know, at least for the moment…

    Comment by Richard Tedeschi — April 7, 2013 @ 1:23 pm

  798. I have not heard yet about any protests in london. Which does surprise me. I was same as you. Mine started with a very bad car accident which damaged my lower spine & neck. Over the years athritis has set in causing lots of pain & distress. I am now 60yrs old should have retire last october but the goverment decided to make me wait another 3yrs. I would not have the stress of being chucked of ESA to find work every few months. Mind you no one is going to employ me now with health problems but the goverment think i will lol!! I’m just riding the waves until i am not classed as working age & then i can enjoy the rest of my days without all the hassle. Cannot wait to 26th may 2015 lol!! If a protest does come up in london i will be ther.

    Comment by Jean — April 7, 2013 @ 2:24 pm

  799. Hi Jean, well just a couple of years is not long… I would not be too stressed if I was you, with the current situation I would hypothetically have another 21 years to endure, but anyways we all take things differently and I hope to get out of all this situation the soonest possible, I don’t want to live on benefit but I am indeed glad it is here, I would get probably NOTHING at all if I was living in Italy where I lived 30 years…

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    Comment by richard farrar — April 9, 2013 @ 4:46 pm

  801. Hi

    I got my dreaded appointment today for 1st of May to be there at 9.20 am, somewhere so far from me.. I sent 3 reports from My Psychiatrist, Psychotherapist, and GP, all explaining my devastating condition with severe depression and anxiety, and 19 years old son’s recent diagnosis with Paranoid Schizophrenia, since October. So i am his full time carer too now. Can not leave him on his own, as he hears voices and has delusions. I have to lock the front door even when in. I have been divorced since he was 3, have not got any one to stay with him any way he suffers from extreme paranoia cant ask anyone to stay with him. I am going to write to my MP. Mr Cameron cant even comprehend what we have to go through not through our choice, but because of what has been thrown at us beyond our CONTROL. we don’t need any more punishment !!!!!!! I cant deal with all this stress, i cant concentrate, i have my son to deal with, don’t know what happens from one minute to another with him. I am ill and a carer, they know don’t just care.

    Comment by Dana — April 13, 2013 @ 4:56 pm

  802. Just a note , i just noticed typing error on my comment above, my apology, it was supposed to be my 19 years old son it reads my sons 19 old son’s. This is just typing mistake. Sorry everyone.

    Comment by Dana — April 13, 2013 @ 5:01 pm

  803. It’s now sorted Dana..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 14, 2013 @ 7:05 am

  804. Great site. Making people aware of what’s to come with ATOS.
    I’ve just recieved a letter from them asking why I haven’t sent the questionnaire back to them.
    I didn’t recieve it. They said they sent it to me on the 22nd mar 2013. The letter they sent to me was dated 15th April. Recieved it on 17th April. Tried ringing ATOS but could only get through, spoke to DWP. They said they would send me another questionnare out but still waiting.
    Worried as I have to complete it and return it by 24th April. Or as the letter states my benefits will be affected. I’m 50% disabled of upper and lower limbs. And take fentynl which has turned me into a opium dependent with all side effects. It’s really worrying me after what I’ve been reading about ATOS and there medical assessments. A friend of mine who is a double amputee recieved no points and was taken of benefits. He is appealing. Ill keep site informed how I go on and my experiances.
    Thanks for your site very helpful

    Comment by K Gallagher — April 18, 2013 @ 1:14 pm

  805. Hi K.

    If they don’t send