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Hello, back again with another page to the blog. I asked earlier on if anyone could send me details of the various ATOS medical assessment centres in their areas. I have received one to date and am posting today. I have the permission of the sender to post and have left the description as it was when I received it. Please note, if you send me something for publication I will remove any reference to your identity.

This ATOS medical assessment centre is in Manchester…

The building was on Bridge St in the centre of Manchester. It is a very large building also housing a job centre. The reception was on the  ground floor but the entrance was about a 100 mtrs away from the road entrance and with no parking for claimants. The parking would have been about 200 mtrs away. There were the black encasement’s for the CCTV, around 4 in the reception. Hard chairs with arms were provided. It was very busy on the day I attended but they hold different medicals for different benefits there. The examination room was probably about 10 mtrs from the seating with a heavy door to walk through. The examiner does not hold the door for you or help you as they are behind you so they can assess you walking I expect!

This ATOS medical assessment centre is in Sunderland…

Access to the building

My examination took place at a DWP office in Sunderland City Centre, I was given a map (Conveniently printed on the back of the appointment letter, which the DWP keep when you attend)  which indicated the nearest car park was well over 50M away from their location. Knowing Sunderland pretty well I was aware of limited disabled parking facilities on Union Street within 15 M of the building, Disabled parking the DWP conveniently neglected to mention in their letter giving directions. If you do not have a disabled badge, access is still available providing you can get someone to drop you off in Union St, that way you can actually get within 10M of the door. I asked a friend of mine to do this for me knowing the underhanded methods used by the DWP.

The Building

In this case, disabled access for those who are wheelchair users, Agoraphobic or Claustrophobic is not easy and I would like to take this opportunity to point out that you can have an examination at home, providing you have a legitimate medical reason for this, so, if you use a wheelchair, have been diagnosed as Agoraphobic or Claustrophobic this option may be open to you. The entrance to the DWP medical examination centre in Sunderland City Centre is located at 60 The Bridges and is opposite (slightly to the left as you come out of the station entrance) the Metro station. Entry is via a controlled security entry phone, placed low on the wall (where they assess your ability to bend) at the left of the entrance. Once inside the foyer you will see a lift immediately ahead of you, it is approximately 1.5M square and has a low ceiling, the door will barely accommodate a wheelchair. To your immediate left there is a narrow staircase which I could not investigate fully and would appreciate some details of i.e. does it go directly to the floor above, Does it turn back on itself, are there any landings, are the handrails any use, and fitted to both sides of the staircase, how many steps are there and is it well lit all the way up? Please feel free to answer these questions via the blog or email me at dwpexaminations@aol.com .

When you arrive at the first floor you enter a larger foyer where there are several toilets, these are not for your use so don’t bother asking for the key to the disabled toilet, you will be wasting your time. The toilets you have access to are in the waiting room and are very small and enclosed. The receptionist will take your letter, ask you to sign and date a declaration form, and if you want to claim expenses, Note: this is all part of the game and is an assessment of your ability to follow instructions, read, write and to see how long they can keep you standing there. Plus if you claim parking expenses they assume you were able to walk to their office from whichever car park your ticket comes from. Staff will report your performance to the Doctor.

The seats provided in the waiting area are low and uncomfortable to sit on, they have no arms and you are forced to twist to your left or right to get any support by using the back of the chairas you sit or when rising from them.

This ATOS medical assessment centre is in Birmingham

the office in b,ham is on the 5 ways.again has no parking except in a shopping centere up the road.questions by your examining atos healthcare professional will include how did you get here?2 steps outside with cameras watching.assorted numpties to delay you and fill in paperwork.lift approx 125 yards inside door .must wait standing for lift person.through double doors.no person to open door as they can observe you.some more paperwork filling standing up.seated at uncomfortable seats.atos healthcare will count the steps you take to get to their scruffy offices.interview chairs have no arms must use back of chairs to get back up.atos healthcare will observe what you are carrying and watch you from behind as you leave.also when you disagree the decision as you will plainly see that it is a biased decision.on appealing the healthcare professional will be allowed to add other things about you which will in no doubt tell you that your evry move was recorded.also only white pple interviewed on day i was there.and your evry second that you are there will be counted.and observations written about you that could not possibly be noted by the interviever.

This ATOS medical assessment centre is in  Worcester.

The centre is part of the DWP building known as Vine House which is situated in Farrier street behind the cinema and right next to the railway viaduct. In fairness it is only a short walk from the local train and bus stations and parking is quite nearby too. (though this is an accident of city planning more than consideration on thier part) Wheelchair access would not present too much of a problem but there are other issues.

The actual centre is situated at the back left hand corner of the building, through what could only be described as a ‘tradesmans entrance’, as if the centre was added to the building as an afterthought and they decided to use some back offices that would otherwise been storage rooms or some such.

The initial door is situated in a small alcove which might prove problematic to a claustrophobic, as would the intial entrance area/hallway which is maybe eight feet wide and some ~30 feet long?

The check in desk is a small table on you immediate right as you enter the door, invariably staffed by a little hitler who will eye you with suspicion then bark “letter” at you or greet you warmly and politely, depnding on what mood they got up in that morning.

There are, from what i recall, four (possibly five? two on the right along with the waiting room, maybe three on the left? not sure) examination rooms, only two of which i have been inside of. Each of these rooms is approximately ten feet wide by about 15-20 feet deep. The two i have been inside were set out in exactly the same layout, i can only presume that the others are the same, but being on the inside (left of the corridor) they may or may not have windows. The ones on the right (the two i have knowledge of) have a window at the far end which may or may not be open, i say open when in fact none of the windows in the building which included the local DWP office/frontline (which may have now been moved to the local jobcentreplus?) open more than a few swivelled inches! ( yes, they call the bulletproof glass interview windows with bolted to the floor seats the ‘frontline’, i have heard it with my own ears while talking to an employee of the now closed kidderminster DWP office about why they had decided not to move to the jobcentreplus to work when they closed thier doors later that very same day! )

As you enter the room, you will find that the examiners desk is situated on your immediate right, taking up almost half the width of the room. You will sit facing the door, the examiner will sit facing you with thier back to the door, presumably to psychologically block any thoughts of escape you may harbor! /sarcasm

At the far end of the roof on the left side will be the examination bed, all very professional, proper doctors bed complete with the rollout disposable paper bedsheet thingy and a cursory screen which will be folded up and tucked away presumably unless you are asked to strip to your undies, in which case i would hope it would be put between you and the window that looks out onto the car park!

Against the back right hand wall there was a cabinet of some sort or was it a medical type bin bag holder? i forget, and an additional chair, along with, rather bizarrely, in one of the rooms i visited, one of those devices for measuring you’re hieght?

When the friend or representative that you take along moves this chair right up to the desk the examiner will not take kindly to it, but they have no right to object, even if it does then make them feel trapped between your entourage and the door! ;p

The waiting room is not much bigger than the examination rooms, being the same depth and again some ten, maybe 12 feet wide. It was, the last i was there, lined down both sides with rows of chairs salvaged from a 1970s teachers lounge and had a small coffee table in the centre that bore a selection of mind numbing out of date magazines that makes my GPs surgery’s selection look like the library of congress!

Of course, the whole place is carpeted out with nylon cord carpet which seems specifically patterned to play havoc with anyone prone to mild hallucination, that carpet swims I tell ya! If you stare at it for too long, such as when waiting on a crisis loan payment, it can send you into such a trance that you don’t hear your name called over the tannoy!

The walls were painted the obligatory two tone ‘psych ward green and buff’ the last time i was there, i wonder if they have redecorated in the last three years?

I will update this page as more information arrives. Keep sending me details of ATOS medical assessment centres, its more useful than you think

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  1. the office in b,ham is on the 5 ways.again has no parking except in a shopping centere up the road.questions by your examining atos healthcare professional will include how did you get here?2 steps outside with cameras watching.assorted numpties to delay you and fill in paperwork.lift approx 125 yards inside door .must wait standing for lift person.through double doors.no person to open door as they can observe you.some more paperwork filling standing up.seated at uncomfortable seats.atos healthcare will count the steps you take to get to their scruffy offices.interview chairs have no arms must use back of chairs to get back up.atos healthcare will observe what you are carrying and watch you from behind as you leave.also when you disagree the decision as you will plainly see that it is a biased decision.on appealing the healthcare professional will be allowed to add other things about you which will in no doubt tell you that your evry move was recorded.also only white pple interviewed on day i was there.and your evry second that you are there will be counted.and observations written about you that could not possibly be noted by the interviever.

    Comment by bill — July 11, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

  2. Thanks B I’ll add this to the other descriptions I have, lets keep this going, soon we will have descriptions of every one of these places which will no doubt prove useful to other readers. http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 12, 2009 @ 8:25 am

  3. I find myself compelled now to read and comment on the whole of this web page, it has been several years since i last visited my local interrogation centre so some of this description may be out of date, but if i am still online after my appointment (i may shortly be becoming homeless) then i will post an update.

    Things that will not have changed…

    Examination centre – Worcester.

    The centre is part of the DWP building known as Vine House which is situated in Farrier street behind the cinema and right next to the railway viaduct. In fairness it is only a short walk from the local train and bus stations and parking is quite nearby too. (though this is an accident of city planning more than consideration on thier part) Wheelchair access would not present too much of a problem but there are other issues.

    The actual centre is situated at the back left hand corner of the building, through what could only be described as a ‘tradesmans entrance’, as if the centre was added to the building as an afterthought and they decided to use some back offices that would otherwise been storage rooms or some such.

    The initial door is situated in a small alcove which might prove problematic to a claustrophobic, as would the intial entrance area/hallway which is maybe eight feet wide and some ~30 feet long?

    The check in desk is a small table on you immediate right as you enter the door, invariably staffed by a little hitler who will eye you with suspicion then bark “letter” at you or greet you warmly and politely, depnding on what mood they got up in that morning.

    There are, from what i recall, four (possibly five? two on the right along with the waiting room, maybe three on the left? not sure) examination rooms, only two of which i have been inside of. Each of these rooms is approximately ten feet wide by about 15-20 feet deep. The two i have been inside were set out in exactly the same layout, i can only presume that the others are the same, but being on the inside (left of the corridor) they may or may not have windows. The ones on the right (the two i have knowledge of) have a window at the far end which may or may not be open, i say open when in fact none of the windows in the building which included the local DWP office/frontline (which may have now been moved to the local jobcentreplus?) open more than a few swivelled inches!
    ( yes, they call the bulletproof glass interview windows with bolted to the floor seats the ‘frontline’, i have heard it with my own ears while talking to an employee of the now closed kidderminster DWP office about why they had decided not to move to the jobcentreplus to work when they closed thier doors later that very same day! )

    As you enter the room, you will find that the examiners desk is situated on your immediate right, taking up almost half the width of the room. You will sit facing the door, the examiner will sit facing you with thier back to the door, presumably to psychologically block any thoughts of escape you may harbor! /sarcasm :)

    At the far end of the roof on the left side will be the examination bed, all very professional, proper doctors bed complete with the rollout disposable paper bedsheet thingy and a cursory screen which will be folded up and tucked away presumably unless you are asked to strip to your undies, in which case i would hope it would be put between you and the window that looks out onto the car park! :D

    Against the back right hand wall there was a cabinet of some sort or was it a medical type bin bag holder? i forget, and an additional chair, along with, rather bizarrely, in one of the rooms i visited, one of those devices for measuring you’re hieght?

    When the friend or representative that you take along moves this chair right up to the desk the examiner will not take kindly to it, but they have no right to object, even if it does then make them feel trapped between your entourage and the door! ;p

    The waiting room is not much bigger than the examination rooms, being the same depth and again some ten, maybe 12 feet wide. It was, the last i was there, lined down both sides with rows of chairs salvaged from a 1970s teachers lounge and had a small coffee table in the centre that bore a selection of mind numbing out of date magazines that makes my GPs surgery’s selection look like the library of congress!

    Of course, the whole place is carpeted out with nylon cord carpet which seems specifically patterned to play havoc with anyone prone to mild hallucination, that carpet swims I tell ya! If you stare at it for too long, such as when waiting on a crisis loan payment, it can send you into such a trance that you don’t hear your name called over the tannoy! ;)

    The walls were painted the obligatory two tone ‘psych ward green and buff’ the last time i was there, i wonder if they have redecorated in the last three years?

    That’s about all i can recall at the moment, bearing in mind that i had not slept for 38 hours when i last visited there may be some discrepancy, as i say, home and PC stil being present after my next visit i will post an update if i can.

    Stewart.

    Comment by Stewart — July 22, 2009 @ 9:13 am

  4. Thanks for that S, I will add this description to the ATOS medical cantre page, it will no doubt help others in a similar situation. I have noticed one recurring theme throughout my life, that is the more prepared you are for something, the less of an obstacle it becomes. As far asI am concerned, knowledge is power and we should fight ATOS and the fools who put them in thier ivory tower with every available piece of information we have. http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 22, 2009 @ 12:54 pm

  5. my medical was at Arden House,Gosfoth,Tyne&Wear.When I arrived,there was a lady in the waiting room reading a newspaper.When I left 45 minutes later she was still there,obviously part of the assesment

    Comment by kenny ord — December 23, 2009 @ 1:00 pm

  6. I wouldnt put it past them???????

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 24, 2009 @ 9:03 am

  7. This is Brighton Examination Centre.
    The centre in Brighton is on the outskirts of town on an incredibly steep hill with no parking whatsoever. The only public car parks are in the centre of town which would necessitate a long walk uphill. There is a bus service for those able to climb into one.
    There are no directions on the building main doors, but I was directed to a small side door which is in fact a fire escape at basement level. There were two steps down with a handrail one side, no ramp. There is a bell and a member of staff appears to open the fire escape door. When this access was queried, we were told that wheelchair users could use the staff entrance around the other side of the building – no sign posts at all.
    A short, very narrow corridor leads to a low ceilinged room which has been divided in half – one side for ‘clients’, the other for staff. There are no windows in the client half, there are perspex panels between the two halves and all the windows are on the staff side. The lighting is very poor. On the day I went the temperature was well over 30 degrees, as the air conditioning was broken and had been for some time according to the receptionist. There was one small fan provided facing only one bank of seats and a water cooler for drinks.
    There were toilets at the end of the room, but these were out of order and again we were told they had been for some time. On request (after 1 1/2 hrs wait), we were escorted to facilities via the corridor where the examination rooms were situated – strangely all doors open and rooms unoccupied, to staff bathrooms upstairs, I was able to use a lift.
    The only seating provided were two banks of metal chairs, similar to ones found in stations and bus shelters, which were bolted to the floor. There were small tables at the end, with a few tatty magazines, on which I had to perch initially as all the seats were taken.
    The receptionist was at first helpful and courteous and informed clients of the initial time delay – 40 mins by 10.30 am, but her goodwill evaporated 2 hrs later when questioned about the delay and lack of doctors seen to be working. The reply was they had to visit the bathroom sometime, and my acerbic reply of ‘What, all together?’ was not well-received!
    The examiners call you across the room and then walk ahead of you into their room, then you are seated on a hard chair facing them. I did ask how long it would take as I was in a lot of pain by then and was told about 40 mins. Mine faced her computer or allegedly referred to my form throughout the interview – hard for someone like me who relies in part on lip-reading. Her accent was also hard for me to understand at times and I had to ask her to repeat things a few times – this was not noted on my report.
    I was told she needed to examine me, but was not allowed to cause any pain, which made it impossible for her to assess me as I was in considerable pain by then, due to the 2 hr+ wait. I was asked to go up two steps to the examination couch and I should have queried this, but she did say it was broken (if only I had found this forum earlier). She did offer her arm to help.
    My whole session lasted less than 15 minutes, and as I had been told by another lady waiting that they would finish by 1 o’clock for their lunch break, I was not surprised.
    I left the building by the same route and struggled to get up the two stairs outside. I did not notice any cameras, it never occurred to me that they would have them, which I cannot believe is not in contravention of our rights as I did not give them permission to film me, so cannot confirm if they were used. If they were they would have seen me boobing up and down like a yoyo as my condition worsened!

    Comment by Lynne — March 14, 2010 @ 1:22 pm

  8. I took some advice from the HSE today, they do not enforce Fire Regulations, this is the duty of the local Fire Authority who I advise you to contact in respect to the possible misuse of a Fire Escape. My worry here is that you could have been seriously injured if there had been someone on the other side of the Fire exit door and leaving in a huurry, particularly as all Fire exits are supposed to be esaily accessible and open from the insIde.

    Secondly contact the local Health aNd Safety Executive regarding the unhealthy conditions, poor lighting, non existant ventilation and toilet facilities which were not in working order.

    There are specific Regulations dealing with these issues which if applied may well result in this centre being closed if you make a complaint.

    Keep in touch and let us know if you decide to go ahead. I am due to have a medical soon and will be assessing the performance of ATOS using the form I have reproduced on the Assessing ATOS page.

    Good luck and thanks for bringing this to my attention. I wonder if anyone else in Brighton has had a similar experience.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 15, 2010 @ 9:02 am

  9. So this is how sick people are treated these days, my son has just got over cancer, and ATOS are wanting to interview him…….Dont think so, I will get a second job rather than put him through this CRAP

    Comment by Elaine — April 22, 2010 @ 8:35 pm

  10. Thats what they want you to do! They are using thier reputation to terrorise people into not bothering to claim as they will eventually fall into the hands of ATOS. Your Son is ill, he has every right to claim sickness benefits whilst he recovers and you should not be forced into the position of placing yourself under further stress. I understand your situation and as a parent I too have the same urges to protect my family, but this is wrong, they are denying your Son his human rights, can I suggest you contact your Local Authority Welfare Rights Officer and seek thier guidance. If they are not available try the CAB should do an equally excellent job, and remember, your Son has more strength of character in his little finger than ATOS have in the whole organisation. I wish you well and whatever you do, keep us posted on your progress. http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 23, 2010 @ 6:34 am

  11. ATOS need the tables turning on them they make out they are putting you at ease at the assessment lulling you into a false sense of security. IMHO all parts of the claim for ESA should be treated as hostile right from the form filling to the tribunal, if you need to go that far. As that is how I was treated in my MEDICAL in York in 2008 if I didn’t give the answer they wanted to hear they would rephrase the question until they did get the answer they wanted usually YES ATOS are target obsessed and bonus driven. How can you set targets for illness & disability? YOU CANNOT, ATOS will make the report in favour of its paymaster, the government, meet the target get a bonus. Just imagine if the assessor was paid a set fee and ATOS a set fee NO BONUSES, would the amount of people seen rise or fall? I think it would rise drastically as assessors would want to see as many as possible to make as much money as possible. I have also read on-line that the assessor can legally change your answer to their interpretation of your answer and if the DWP decision maker can do the same then the claimant may hold no chance of getting ESA. ATOS should not be allowed to interpret (DELETE PART OF A CLAIMANTS REPLY). How long before things turn the other way ad assessors are interpreting the answer so people get ESA so the government can say LOOK we are bringing unemployment down?

    Comment by Dean — April 25, 2010 @ 6:35 pm

  12. A very good point, very well put. It sums up the need to bin ATOS as quickly as possible and find a system which assesses the level of disability in relation to what the person cant do, not guessing at what they can do?

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 26, 2010 @ 6:21 am

  13. Newcastle upon Tyne, Arden House

    First thing I noticed was the reception desk faces you as soon as you walk in, the receptionist was very young and pleasant enough. There is an eye on the ceiling if you look to your left when you go in, its in a place where it can view anyone who enters or leaves the building, and its in a position so that it also has full view of the waiting room, which is to the left when you go in the building. The HCP comes to the waiting room and calls out your name. I noticed they stood watching the person rise from the chair and walk towards them and sometimes pointed the person in the direction of the room and walked behind them, obviously so they could observe a bit more how the person walked. The waiting room has lots of magazines scattered around and leaflets for you to read, some are placed conveniently on racks that you need to reach up to. The examination rooms are quite a distance from the waiting room, and the HCP I saw was a nurse (she said) although she seemed to have no idea what I was talking about when I was explaining my condition. The examination bed was high, my examination was painful and humiliating and I am looking to complain to someone as I now can hardly move. I am in so much pain because of this so called medical assessment.

    Comment by Sick of it all — May 14, 2010 @ 9:57 pm

  14. Get your copy of the medical report first, ring your local Jobcentre and ask them to post a copy out to you as soon as possible (they can not refuse). They will try to fob you off by saying they may not have it yet or it may take several days t reach them, this is rubbish, the reports are emailed on the same day. The key word here is may, the person you are speaking to will probably not have access to your report but it will be there unless there has been some kind of breakdoiwn in communications, so when they say it may not be on the system yet” ask them to check if it is then. Once you have this you will be abe to see how many points they have awarded you and if you have failed or passed. Note, if you pass they do not tell you how many points you actually scored. If you feel the need to complain about the “Doctor” or the medical you must complain to the centre manager, who should instigate an investigation. If they find in the “Doctors” favour, complain again untill you reach the chief executive. These people appear to be immune from action due to complaints, this is not the case, its surprising how many people do not complain about these cardboard cut outs ands thier dubious methods, so if we dont complain, they get away with it and it just gets worse for the next person. Keep us posted

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 16, 2010 @ 7:57 am

  15. Thank you for the reply. I cant believe what that nurse made me do, I know its probably her job but I had to squat and pretend to pick something up off the floor, I nearly fell over! Then I had to lie on the bed, bring each leg up and drop it to the outside, a bit personal and embarrassing, not to mention painful when you have arthritis of the hips. What the hell has letting your legs drop to the side got to do with work????! I told her it was going to hurt me and she replied “do what you can” and stood waiting. You have to try I know that or they mark you down as non compliant. Ive been for one of these assessments before and the doctors English was diabolical, I thought that was the reason there was so many discrepancies in the report when I saw it but now I know thats not the case, he just lied through his teeth!! Well this time my daughter was with me and took notes, she didnt seem happy and gave her a statement saying her notes wouldnt be taken as evidence. When it came to the physical my daughter left the room, I didnt see any reason for her to be present for the physical and the nurse said she was finished with the questions, but funny enough she started asking me more questions once my daughter left, and was typing away still (another strange thing as I thought they just ticked boxes?) Everything I said she tried to contradict and tried to find a way to get me to say I have some sort of routine.
    She asked me how often I have reviews (epilepsy) I told her I dont have them, she asked how often I see the GP for my fits I said I dont. This will no doubt go against me somehow as she seemed quite pleased when I said this and typed something down.
    Im going to see my doctor and tell them about this, and I will also tell them I am not going to see a physio, as when I had to do these tests I told the nurse Im being referred to a physio and I said I hope they dont make me do this and she said they probably will.
    Im so angry at this and this time Im not going away if anyone lies about me. last time I didnt have the strength to argue, I did send the DWP a letter disputing the report and they put me on reduced benefit I was getting something like £30 a week – in the winter! Not good when you have gas and electric meters so I just gave it up and went onto JS. I will contact a solicitor or something if that nurse lies and I am definitely going to complain. My medical was just on Friday and the docs was shut on Saturday, so I will ring tomorrow and ask for Codeine and an appointment. I will keep you updated.

    Comment by Sick of it all — May 16, 2010 @ 9:25 am

  16. Just as a PS – Which centre manager do I complain to? Do I complain to the DWP manager or Atos? Can I do it by email? I want to be sure they get it and I want to be sure of proof of correspondence. I have a feeling they will make things awkward for me if I do for them, Ive heard of this happening…
    Thanks again.

    Comment by Sick of it all — May 16, 2010 @ 9:45 am

  17. I would complain to both the DWP and ATOS. One thing I wouldn’t have done is have the person with me leave the room unless I was leaving with them. I have become more like when I was 14 again I do as I want not what others tell me. In the leaflet they send you with your appointment it says and I QUOTE “AND THE HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL WILL NOT ASK YOU MAKE ANY MOVEMENTS THAT CAUSE YOU DISCOMFORT”. According to a question I asked on the woks & pensions site they can make you do things as it an act of parliament, so basically they can torture the ill & disabled but not a POW or terrorist. I too have epilepsy and used to only go to the surgery to pick up the tablets, now they are delivered weekly in a packet with the correct tablets for a period of the day, but as I spend most of the time in bed they get taken as and when I remember. In my opinion ATOS see someone who does not have regular visits to a GP or hospital as not as ill as they are making out.

    The system ATOS use is an American system called LiMA they click on a box that they think resembles the answer you give and at the end of a set of questions the program will suggest a sentence or paragraph that it thinks should be added as the answer for the boxes ticked but the interrogator (well they have no concerns for your health only the money they can make) can alter this if they wish, I will use an example of my last engagement with ATOS, I was asked what I found heavy to lift, my answer was 2.5kg bag of potato’s caused me extreme pain to lift. what was put on the report was that I could lift a SACK of potato’s, there was alterations like this all through the report.

    I intend to use my mobile to record my interrogation as well as one daughter take written notes, I believe when they say the notes cannot be used as evidence they are trying to refer to evidence at a tribunal, this will be my reply SO YOU HAVE ALREADY DECIDED TO WRITE AN UNFAVOURABLE REPORT REGARDLESS OF WHAT I SAY, PLUS THAT SHOULD MEAN ANY NOTES YOU ADD TO THE REPORT CANNOT BE USED EITHER.

    Some of the nurses & doctors think they are dealing with idiots and they can put what they want on the reports as you won’t know what you were asked or the reply you gave if you ask for a copy of the report.
    If you want to go straight to the top then their registered office can be found at this address

    Name & Registered Office:
    ATOS ORIGIN UK LIMITED
    NO 4 TRITON SQUARE
    REGENTS PLACE
    LONDON
    NW1 3HG
    Company No. 02479330

    It can be found on the bottom of the appointment letter they send you and so conveniently keep when you arrive and hand it over.

    Comment by Dean — May 16, 2010 @ 11:55 pm

  18. The fact that they tell you your notes will not be accepted as evidence in itself is arguable, any good lawyer worth his salt would dismiss that. How can they predict what a tribunal will accept as evidence? Just take a closer look at the type of language they use when speaking to you! its unbelievably vague and enables them to be equally unbelievably vague when interpreting your answers! How on earth did she know that your Physio would ask you to do the same exercises? the fact is your own physio would be sure to treat you with respect and extreme care when asking what you can and can not do, oh and note this, the real physio will ask you what your limitations are before beginning any physical assessment. Complain and take this to the highest level you can, and next time, let your daughter stay for the physical. Keep us informed of your progress. http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 17, 2010 @ 7:43 am

  19. If you are going to complain make sure you do it by letter and send that by recorded delivery. Write to the manager of the centre where you had your “medical” and he should reply to you directly. Keep records of any communications you have with ATOS or the DWP during this process, use the form on the assessing ATOS page, print some contact forms off and put them by your phone, when you call or they call you ask themnm to speak slowly as you are taking notes. Let them know you have them under scrutiny, they dont like that at all. Its in thier interest to handle your complaint with care as any reprecussions of your actions will reflect badly upon them. They have to record complaints and the more we make the better off we are, besided, compl;aining costs them money and any little bite of thier profit margin is going to hurt them. Good luck and keep us posted

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 17, 2010 @ 7:49 am

  20. Hear, hear. Dont forget to check out the “Doctor” on the GMC website to make sure they are qualified too. Its interesting to see you have questioned thier rights to use notes they make in thier report! I wonder if they are governed by thier own rules? Are there any lawyers out there who can give us that answer? In response to your last sentence, do they also conveniently forget to tell you about nearby disabled parking as they do in Sunderland? I also keep copies of everything they send me, is costs a bob or two in printer ink, but is worth doing.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 17, 2010 @ 7:55 am

  21. Thanks again for the replies and advice its very helpful to know others understand. And thanks for the address to write to them. I wish now Id had my daughter stay with me for the physical, but in all honestly I doubt it would make much difference if we are all being stitched up and witnesses or notes wont be accepted as evidence. The argument they will use concerning their own notes is that they are a qualified HCP, so of course it will bear more weight than us lowly claimants do :(
    Its a bit awkward for me writing letters, the post office is quite a distance from me and it means copying all my letters by hand as I dont have a scanner or printer so Emails would have been a lot easier.
    The nurse only introduced herself by her first name so it looks like I will have to wait for the report to get her full name, I was nervous and very tired the day of the assessment if Id had my wits about me I would have asked for her full name and REG number.
    Surely when they get the assessors report they must wonder why they write things like “Can lift a sack of potatoes” ?? Its ridiculous. Im so worried, I think they will say if I see the neurologist about my epilepsy then I will be fit for work, the nurse looked positively triumphant when I said I dont see anyone about it. :( I know what brings the fits on, its when Im tired and stressed, I am ok when Im neither of these but the arthritis and psoriasis has me awake through the night. What if they say I need to see the neuro and change or take more meds? I hate the thought of more meds, travelling miles and sitting for hours for a 5 minute appointment.
    I want to ask my doc for a report on my conditions but theyre so busy, I feel such a nuisance, I only got diagnosed with the arthritis in April and psoriasis last week, its going to look like Im laying it on with just being diagnosed. Does anyone know if they contact anyone about my condition will it be just my GP or will they contact the rhuemy? The reason I ask this is I get a copy of the letters, and havent got anything in writing since being told I have psoriatic arthritis so I dont think any sort of report about what I have has been sent to my GP. Im confused.

    I remember on the letter (Im sure it was on the back) it said if you need to park you have to get a pass (from reception i think)as there is no public parking on the site, I dont know if its free or not?

    You know what? No offence to addicts but if I was a street junkie I would be treated with more respect and compassion. If I robbed a bank I would go to jail and be able to have a decent meal and be warm in the Winter. If I hurt someones child I would be given the funds to move away with a new ID. The system is all cockeyed, we are the ones being punished and persecuted just for being ill.
    Sorry about the rant, maybe I will write to my MP with this :)

    Comment by Sick of it all — May 17, 2010 @ 10:06 am

  22. I have just been informed, a 17 year old who is a friend of a relative has passed his assessment, he has ADHD. BUT – his doctor has been contacted by someone and instructed to give him medication in the hope it will enable him to be fit for work! He has a review in August to check if the meds are working!! I am absolutely stunned I didnt know they could do this???

    Comment by Sick of it all — May 17, 2010 @ 10:29 am

  23. I know exactly how you feel, I am always looking at how these alleged “Doctors” ask questions, one of thier favourites is to ask if you are seeing a specialist. I dont want to be alarmist, but my feeling on this is if you say you have a recognised condition/illness/disability etc and they ask this question, when you answer no, they see this as an opportunity to ignore anything you (as an unqualified HCP) say. However, my argumant against this is, unless they are recognised specialists in this field, how can they dismiss what you are saying as not being factual? This is why I suggest everyone coming into contact with these fools take any supporting evidence they can with them otherwise thier word will not be accepted. My advice is simple, see your G.P. ask him/her to refer you to a specialist ASAP and make sure you keep every bit of evidence they provide you with. When you come into contact with any ATOS cardboard cut out they should always introduce themselves by thier full name, give thier title i.e. “Dr” etc if they dont, complain to the centre manager. As for asking your G.P. for a report on your condition, feel free, thats what we pay them for, and dont take the stance that he/she is so busy. Its nice to think of others, but you must think of yourself for once, you must put yourself at the front of the quque. Your G.P. will get his pay at the end of this month, will you get your benefits? Good luck, and think of yourself for once, it’s hard at first, but you soon get the hang of it. As for addicts? Hmmm its difficult not to be judgemental given thier situation is self inflicted. The system is truly flawed, however, that means it can be reformed all we have to do is to stand up to the treatment we are recieving. Remember the school bully? well just think of ATOS and the DWP in the same frame of mind and you get the picture.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 18, 2010 @ 7:03 am

  24. Never heard of that before, but I wouldnt put it past them. I try to ignore information like this unless I see evidence of it first hand. As for writing to a G.P. to tell him how to treat his own patients? Hmmm I wonder if any Government official would take responsibility for that one, and besides, any self respecting G.P. would make his own decisions when it comes to his own patients otherwise it begs the question ” why do we have G.P.’s at all if ATOS or the DWP can dictate treatment?

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 18, 2010 @ 7:07 am

  25. I dont know the full story yet, just my relation has been keeping me up to date with the progress because I know what these people are like, I see him quite often so I will get the full story, all I know for now is he received a letter from his own GP saying he had to come into the surgery for medication as he had been contacted (not sure yet if by ATOS or DWP) and he is to start on medication and have a review by ATOS in August (probably another “medical”) to see if the meds are working.
    The person with ADHD has had it since being a child and had meds but they never had any effect, hes not taking anything at the moment. Im starting to worry, maybe they do have the ability to make suggestions or whatever to doctors, they could be sending letters saying the claimant would be able to work and would benefit if given such and such a therapy. The person who did my assessment took great interest and was typing away excitedly when I said I dont see anyone about my Epilepsy, this could be why. I will soon find out…

    Comment by Anonymous — May 18, 2010 @ 7:48 am

  26. I just cant see how the opinion of an alleged “Doctor” who has known the claimant for less than 30 minutes can be considered to be more authoratitive than the persons own G.P. who has known them far longer? I also think it might be worth checking thiis “Doctor” out on the gmc web site to see if he is a specialist or even a practicing G.P.? This practice (if what you believe is true) is dangerous, especially if any suggwested medication has side effects or makes the pationts condition worse? keep us posted, the outcome of this one will be well worth hearing about.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 19, 2010 @ 6:26 am

  27. I saw one of the specialists that looked after me when I had the brain op and near the end I managed to get his opinion on whether I should be declared fit for work, is immediate reply was NO! and he said get them to contact the head surgeons and gave the hospital address and where in the hospital any letter should be sent. I doubt very much that ATOS will pass the address on, even though I intend to.
    Anonymous I reckon that where a claimant has an illness that shows no effects at all, in the majority of cases, or where the meds don’t work are in the same boat according to ATOS, the ATOS HCP thinks they are lying, by either disposing of the medication on a daily basis in the case of a claimant saying the meds are not working, of course they will not put this in the report, they may put that the claimant may not be taking the meds as prescribed. In an illness that shows no effects at all in the majority of cases, with those who do show signs have symptoms from mild to severe, as in my case, I think that the HCP thinks you have the condition but only with no effects as in the majority of cases and anything else you say or do that show signs of having the more severe symptoms are put on by the claimant and may put something like, it is his opinion that although showing some effects that could/maybe related to the condition the HCP does not think the conditions affect the claimant as bad as they are saying they do.

    Surgeons will stop seeing patients when they have not had a fit for a while, saying something like phone my secretary to make an appointment if you do have another fit, this is what the neurosurgeon told me after I had been fit free for a while.
    If a HCP is sending letters about your condition with info that relates to your abilities then even if this is on nothing more than a blank piece of A4 then it is covered by the data protection act, even if the HCP makes a note about you in a notebook that is covered by the data protection act.

    dwp I feel that if you know your condition is rare and only has a few specialists that know about the illness spread around the country, then it may be worth asking as soon as you can and before the HCP has a chance to ask more than what your condition(s) are what they know about the condition, this could be done by listing all the other conditions that could be related to the rare condition first then end with the rare condition asking the HCP and tell me what do you know about this condition and conditions related to it. If the HCP does not answer then telling them that you assume they know nothing about the condition and conditions related to it and it is your opinion that you do not think they are fit to give an opinion on your condition. Why should the HCP have things easy and make the claimant feel uneasy

    Comment by Dean — May 19, 2010 @ 11:49 am

  28. I have sent a complaint to the DWP, Atos and I have copied them to my MP and complained to him. I have the doctors tomorrow as Im still in pain with my back after the assessment and I let them all know it.
    Regarding my fits, I went years without one then lost my dad four years ago, (massive brain haemmorhage, they insisted he had a simple hangover at the hospital because hed had a couple of pints and a game of bingo the night before – even though he was fine all the next day, by the time they scanned him the following afternoon he was to put it bluntly – finished) I thought I was going to die with grief and thats when all the symptoms started..Inverse (Genital) Psoriasis started, the psoriatic arthritis kicked in and the fits came back with a vengence. I think the grief was the trigger. The fits come about when Im tired, stressed and have had no sleep with pain. What might go in my favour was telling the nurse the doctors witnessed me have a fit in the surgery and had me carted me off to hospital, but this was when they very first started. I also told her that I asked for a brain scan and had one but nothing showed, I asked for an op to stop the fits, but because nothing showed on the brain scan, like scars or anything they said they couldnt operate. Even if I didnt have epilepsy I have this bloody arthritis and psoriasis, if its not one thing its another. Its getting me down you would think at least one recognised condition would be enough to keep them off your back.

    Comment by sick of it all — May 19, 2010 @ 6:49 pm

  29. Something else Im wondering, if the HCP receives complaints about the way they do the medical, does it go against their name on the doctors and nurses register? Does it prevent them working in hospitals? I would hope so, When they lie on their reports and are complained about enough surely theyre not to be trusted? Ive never met anyone in the health service so intimidating as that nurse.

    Comment by sick of it all — May 19, 2010 @ 7:08 pm

  30. This is where I have grave concerns relating to the ATOS HCP’s ability and knowledge and thus the cavalier way they deal with claimants and thier illness/disability. As I have said befre, this system is biased, these people are employed by a private company which is paid for out of the public purse and they need to be challenged. Mr Camaron and his conjoined twin Mr Clegg intend to have everyone on IB re assessed, think of the cost of this bogus exercise. I also think that our human rights are being abused here as we are being singled out for special treatment by our Government, as we are in a minority group do you think this will stand up in court?

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 20, 2010 @ 7:05 am

  31. I am afraid we are nothing but a target now, we need to act quickly and prepare to defend ourselves from the Tory onslaught which is about to be unleashed.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 20, 2010 @ 7:07 am

  32. This is unlikely as ATOS (apear to) employ retired hasbeens who do it for the money, those who have resigned from the NHS (maybe under a cloud) and those who have had thier authorisation to practice removed. I have been seen many times now and have never once been seen by a G.P. who is registered as being an active on the GMC web site. Remember, though they (ATOS) are a private company they are still bound by the laws which Govern the rest of us, they are not above the law and if they do anything wrong they can be prosecuted. http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 20, 2010 @ 7:12 am

  33. Next Tuesday if I ask for the so called doctors GMC number and he blanks out the question or tells me that they do not have to give me that or even has to leave the room saying he is going to get the GMC number (this I would be suspicious about this as he could return with any number)but the GMC site lets you search by name only. The GP I am registered with at my local surgery went onto the GMC register in 1996 and they are around 40 years old so I would be weary of a registration showing around mid to early 60’s or into the 50’s as this would make the GP at least 70 years old, and the GP who first assessed me for DLA in the late 90’s looked in his 70’s back then I didn’t know if you could get a copy of the report, my claim was turned down and I just left it not bothering appealing as I received no info saying you could appeal the decision.

    Comment by Dean — May 20, 2010 @ 8:56 am

  34. Ok, just got a letter from ATOS and they sent me the persons name who did the assessment. I did ask for her name and qualifications, and all theyve sent me is the initial of the first name and the surname, without any mention of qualifications. Surprise surprise! Good job I remembered the first name eh! I found the person on the NMC and yes the person is on there but I dont really understand what this means – Registered Nurse – Adult. Registered Nurse – Adult (Level 2) and underneath is ” No Recordable Qualifications found ”
    Any ideas anyone please?

    Dean when did you get turned down?

    Comment by Anonymous — May 20, 2010 @ 12:56 pm

  35. My last attempt to claim what was when it was IB in 2008 even the appeals panel were like Gestapo but my first attempt for DLA was around 1997, I think, I now have HR mobility and MR care.

    Comment by Dean — May 20, 2010 @ 1:46 pm

  36. Same here I got turned down in 2008 but the doctor lying through his teeth didnt help, nor did the fact his English was atrocious! I didnt even appeal I thought I had no chance, sent off asking them for a reconsideration but gave up waiting after 2 months of living on just over £30 a week-in Winter with gas and electric meters, and £10 a week rent arrears to pay.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 20, 2010 @ 1:57 pm

  37. They are good at lying (altering words or missing out some of what is said)or using the words that in their opinion because those 3 words IN THEIR OPINION means they are not wrong because an opinion is never wrong. That is why I am thinking that if anyone can find out about what the interrogator knows about any rare condition & related conditions a claimant has before they have answered any questions apart from naming their conditions, if the interrogator says they no very little or nothing about a claimants rare condition then if the claimant has to appeal then they may be able to use that against the report that if the HCP knew little or nothing how were they in a position to comment on your illness, especially if they have an audio recording.

    Comment by Dean — May 20, 2010 @ 2:48 pm

  38. What is interesting is what we put on our ESA form we most likely repeat at the assessment. So when the assessor writes the opposite to what we say, and we appeal, surely the courts must think to themselves why would a claimant write all that on a form, then go back on themselves at the assessment, and THEN go back on themselves again to appeal? It should be obvious theyre lying when our forms say one thing, the assessor says we said something else when being assessed, then we go to appeal with whats said on the form, it stinks to high heaven they should be banned from this country! Why are the courts allowing them to keep on practising when its blatant they lie!
    We need more voices, everyone talks all over the net about standing up to these people but very rarely do anything about it. People in numbers is what we need but its just not happening.
    Ive complained to everyone and I went to my GP today, I emailed my rhuemy as well and told him all about it, also said I dont want physio thanks as the nurse has put me off..

    Comment by Anonymous — May 20, 2010 @ 5:40 pm

  39. To me the HCP are trying to find those with poor memory who turn up by themselves because they have no one to go with them, then they expect the claimant to do the talking when they probably have no idea what another person who filled the form in for them has put never mind if they had filled it in themselves. If a person with poor memory goes to appeal then if they went alone then they may have no idea what they said to the HCP so have no chance of knowing what to call into question on the report. If the decision to get people of disability benefits runs all through the system from the government down then starting with people who have memory problems makes them an easy target because if they have poor memory how can they call into question any part of the report?

    Comment by Dean — May 20, 2010 @ 9:29 pm

  40. Well, you know you can get a copy of our report now, and you can appeal. Best thing to do is to challenge everything they (ATOS) and the DWP say. I wouldnt bother to ask for the “Doctors” GMC number, this will only antagonise him/her and will likely as not end in your benefits being stopped. Its just as well checking them out on the GMC site and taking a guess that when they qualified they were around 21 years old.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 21, 2010 @ 6:10 am

  41. Exactly. This alone is enough to prove that people with memory problems and MH issues should not even find themselves having to go through an appeal.
    I love how they tell you at the assessment that they have no decision on whether you get benefit or not, funny enough the nurse didnt say that to me or I would have asked “so are you not writing your own report”?
    the letter I received from ATOS was from the manager and he says theyre investigating my complaint, although he gave me the HCP surname he didnt give me the name and qualifications of the person who reviewed my ESA form and decided I had to go for an assessment and perform the tests, can I demand that information as FOI?

    Comment by Anonymous — May 21, 2010 @ 6:17 am

  42. Another victory, well done.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 21, 2010 @ 6:23 am

  43. This is a prime example of the knock on effects of losing benefits after a bad decision by a bogus “Doctor”. ATOS are nothing but a money making machine and wont rest untill they have achieved thier target.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 21, 2010 @ 6:24 am

  44. This is one f the biggest bones of contention readers have with ATOS. My G.P. said his knowledge of my condition was limited to what he has seen in other patients and as a result sent me to see a specialist. I cant ask for more than honesty and quick action, and it is bacause of his quick action I am now on the way to getting the treatment I need. So, if the average G.P. needs the opinion of a specialist, then surely the same applies to the super doctors the DWP employ. If you think thier opinion is wrong or they have lied about you in thier report tehn challenge it and appeal. If yu think the “Doctor” was wrong or there was a problem with the “Doctors” actions or behaviour during your “Examination” then write to the centre manager and complain.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 21, 2010 @ 6:38 am

  45. The DWP employ ATOS as an agent, ATOS carry out an agreed procedure to establish a persons capability for work. ATOS have been doing this for years now and as a result have become complacent and since so many people just accept what thier (ATOS) “Doctor” says in his report and never appeal, they assume thay they are right. The result of this complacency is that ATOS now tar every sick and disabled person with the same brush, they have become a law unto themselves and this is why we should appeal. I agree it takes number to fight back, but it also takes time to generate the necessary numbers in order to retaliate successfully. All I can say is spread the good word, encourage as many people you can to appeal against any negative decision, complain about any strange behaviour or bad practice by ATOS “Doctors” and to read this and any similar blog which are bringing the plight of the disabled into the light of day.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 21, 2010 @ 6:45 am

  46. I already asked for a copy of my report. I told them I also wanted the report from the one I had last year (I did have it but cant find it) Lady said they would be with me “within the week” I sent in my complaint three days after the assessment so the nurse would probably have already done her report. I dont care if shes antaganised, they shouldnt be allowed to do this to people, not only is it painful and stressful making people perform like monkeys, it could be dangerous when they have skeletal conditions. And then they have the audacity to lie about what we say?? Not this one! Any untruth I find in my report I will challenge, whether I pass or fail. I dont think its a victory yet, Ive heard they investigate then find no “wrong doing” end of story, but if I can make any of them think twice before they treat people like mugs again its worth it.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 21, 2010 @ 6:48 am

  47. Anyone attending these bogus “examinations” on thier own is fair game, anyone with a poor memory is fair game, we are all fair game due to the fact that what we put on our IB50 or EMA form is simply our opinion and as such can be dismissed as and unsupported claim to illness or disability by the so called HCP. To ensure we are heard we must

    (a) Stick to the facts when completing our form
    (b) Complete the form as if it were our worst day
    (c) Never give the impression we are any better on the day of the examination
    (d) Provide supporting evidence of what we are saying i.e. reports from G.P, specialist etc
    (e) Ensure we are accompanied by a companion who will take notes during the examination
    (g) Complain if there is any evidence of bad practice, lies or assumptions by the ATOS “Doctor”
    (e) Appeal immediately against any negative decision

    If we do this as the minimum then we are on a better footing, if you cant find anyone to accompany you seek help from your Local Authority Wefare Rights Officer or the CAB. We must remember ATOS will always try to give you an appointment as early as possible, this is deliberate as it reduces the chances of you being accompanied by a representative from the above. The best thing I can suggest is that we start thinking of a way around this now, its no good waiting untill tomorrow or the next day, before you know it the dreaded brown envelope is on the door mat and its too late. So start now, think of who you can ask to attend with you, then think about a reserve person in case the first cant make it. Tell them we will give them as much notice as poissible of the date and thats the hardest part done with. Use the form on the assessing ATOS pages to help you remember the events of the day, print off some of the contact forms and keep them by the phone in case they ring you or you have to contact them, lets take the battle to them.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 21, 2010 @ 7:03 am

  48. For my interrogation that ATOS cancelled on the 6/5/10 I had both daughters going with me, but they cancelled a few hours before the appointment until the 25/5/10 I know the HCP interrogator would have refused to allow both daughters in with me but the way I see it is 1 or 100 accompanying you to the medical what is the difference? The best thing I could imagine happening on the 6/5/10 is turning up the HCP interrogator only allowing 1 daughter to accompany me then asking if some trainees can observe I would tell the HCP NO!! and tell him why, hopefully, in front of the trainees, and refuse to back down if the HCP said they would allowed the other daughter into the room. In my opinion ATOS rely on subtle intimidation, enough so you feel it but not enough for someone been interrogated to notice if they were shown a video afterwards.

    As the human rights act, section 3, I think, says it is illegal to torture someone either physically or mentally unless at war so maybe the sick and disabled should declare war on ATOS and torture the HCP by whenever answering questions answer then with a question? I know this may be risky but it may show that the claimant is not afraid to be there and the HCP holds no power over them, question do not have to be anything more than clarifying in your mind exactly what they are asking, this may be enough for the HCP to want to cut the interrogation short as I believe they do not like to answer any questions

    Comment by Dean — May 21, 2010 @ 11:03 am

  49. You have the right to be accompanied, the person with you has the right to take notes, you have the right to refuse to have another ATOS “Doctor” or thier representative in the room and as for your last statement on asking the “Doctors” questions, they are trained to say save your questions untill the end and then usually dismiss you, so dont get sucked in by that crap. Keep us posted on yur progress

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 21, 2010 @ 4:34 pm

  50. Don’t worry dwp I am one stubborn BAR STEWARD when I want to be, if I want an answer when I ask a question I either get it or ignore any further questions asked and being told they will answer questions at the end could end up with me either ignoring their questions or saying “unless any question is answered to my satisfaction when asked I will not answer your questions” but my favourite reply has always been “what have you got to hide, what are you afraid of?” When they reply “nothing” then demand they answer the question now, by answering “nothing” they have fallen into a well planned trap. After all your GP will answer your questions as & when you ask them.

    I do intend to pass my mobile to my daughter after showing her how to record audio and before we get out of the car as I do not want them to see I have a mobile as I know they like to assume things and I will never answer anything they ask with the words YES or NO, instead making the answer as long as possible, just to see how much they type.

    Yesterday I received a letter I asked for from the consultant stating, in my words, that given my underlying condition hereditary haemorrhagic telangiectasia I WILL HAVE RESIDUAL LESIONS, the letter goes on to say that they will PROBABLY not require further treatment but nowhere in the letter does it say and lesions will not cause problems.
    I bet the interrogator skips the word PROBABLY and see only THEY WILL NOT.

    I will keep you updated, if my daughter does the recording on my phone it may take a while to get it onto somewhere like youtube after making both sides audible, no point having just the interrogator or just me being picked up by the mic. but daughter is going to take a load of copy paper with us, I know as it will be me that gives her the paper and pens.

    Comment by Dean — May 22, 2010 @ 12:09 am

  51. I found this last night its very interesting have a read, it explains how LIMA works and theres lots of other interesting stuff.

    http://brightonbenefitscampaign.wordpress.com/2010/05/08/employment-and-support-allowance-a-new-harsher-test/#more-29

    Notice this bit as well-

    “Last but not least: the issue of compulsory medical treatment
    Originally, ‘work-focused activity’ could include compulsory medical treatment. However, on 22 June 2009 an amendment of the section 14 of the Welfare Reform Act 2007 was presented to the House of Commons, which excluded medical treatment [Hansard, 22 June 2009]. However, we still need to be alert. Although accepting medical treatment is not explicitly part of a ‘work-focused activity’, it can still be a condition for entitlement to ESA, as it has been in the past for Incapacity benefit and Disability Living Allowance – with the approval of Social Security judges”

    So it looks like someone somewhere has the power to order medical treatment, I have heard of ATOS or the DWP stating people are under medicated but who has the power to instruct anyones GP to prescribe meds? What are they saying to our doctors? It sounds like someone with some sort of hold or power over GPs could “advise” GPs to “medicate correctly”
    Something is going on.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 22, 2010 @ 7:39 am

  52. Anonymous that is very interesting after my last failure to claim what was the IB, then claiming JSA on a number of occasions when asked at the DWP what jobs I had applied for, you could have heard a pin drop, when I said NONE because I am not wasting an employers or my time & money trying to go somewhere that is just for show.

    I FOUND THIS A JOKE
    No, it is not. For many years, sick claimants have been able to receive free personalised help to make themselves more employable, find suitable training and courses and even find a job. ESA has only introduced a factor of compulsion.

    First you need to be able to get out of your home, having someone take you to hospital appointments or the interrogation ALL OF WHICH CAN BE CHANGED TO SUIT THE PERSON TAKING YOU is not the same as having to be at a job for a set time either full or part-time, that’s if someone will employ the person.

    ANOTHER JOKE
    CAB: a claimant was found ‘fit to work’ because he attended a compulsory ‘Work Focused Interview’! The automated medical report said: ‘the client is actively seeking work through Jobcentre Plus’ [CAB, 2010, p. 19].

    They threaten to stop your benefits if you do not attend, I assume they meant the pathways to work interview, I got a letter saying to attend a JC+ the day after my interrogation I got it changed to the first Monday in June, I would have expected the interview to be at the JC+ I had to sign on at, but no! it has to be somewhere different, somewhere I have no idea where it is.

    Comment by Dean — May 22, 2010 @ 12:15 pm

  53. Why not take the form on the assessing ATOS page? it might help. They do look at letters from specialists etc but only briefly and they will home in on the definate rather than the maybe, be careful thats all. Keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 23, 2010 @ 9:02 am

  54. Big brother is watching, lets wait untill the conjoined twins tweedle de and tweedle dumb do to us over the next 5 years, thats if they last that long.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 23, 2010 @ 9:06 am

  55. Yes, this is all too common, if you make a fuss they dont like it at all and tend to make your life as difficult as they can.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 23, 2010 @ 9:08 am

  56. I think youre right… theyve sent me a letter saying theyre going to take an extra tenner a week off me for a loan (On top of £23 a fortnight they already take!) :(
    I heard from the manager of Atos, hes said there will be an investigation into my complaint, no doubt he will find in the nurses favour, Ive been looking on the ATOS website and it says there the assessor will not ask you to do anything that causes you undue discomfort, what a load of bulls**t! Im contacting the GMC tomorrow. I want to know if those leg lifts and other things I had to do are legal when its a nurse instructing you to do them when you have Psoriatic arthritis. My back is still hurting I want to sue them for assault!!
    Ive not heard a dickybird back from my MP, when I get the results of my medical Im going to try again.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 24, 2010 @ 5:47 pm

  57. If it was a nurse who you saw then maybe, you should be reporting them to here
    http://www.nmc-uk.org/General-public/Reporting-a-nurse-or-midwife-to-the-NMC/
    This is the nursing and midwife council site

    Comment by Dean — May 24, 2010 @ 6:16 pm

  58. Thank you for that Dean I appreciate it. What I need to find out is if what she did was legal knowing it was causing me pain.

    Ive been reading the ATOSsers site and the DWP, and it says they will perform a physical if they decide at the assessment one is needed. Which means that nurse didnt even have orders from higher up – she decided herself to put me through that.
    This is some of what I had to do…Bend as if to pick something up off the floor, bending my back, which I am sure is against Health and Safety regulations. I nearly fell over and she said “oh be careful”
    I had to squat, and then I had to climb up onto a high bed. I had to hold both legs up off the bed and try to force them down while she put her hands underneath my ankles to try to stop me putting them down. I then had to try to force my legs up while she had her hands over the top of my shins to try and stop me.
    Then I had to bring each leg up and try to force it to the side with my knee bent.
    Really I am so angry! I have epilepsy and have fits regularly with double incontinence (Sorry) Doesnt that alone give me enough points? Why the need for a painful set of tasks as well? I just dont get it.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 24, 2010 @ 6:57 pm

  59. personally I would say YES!! but with ATOS if you can turn up for an interrogation then they see you as fit for work. Many of those declared fit for work wouldn’t be touched with a barge pole by most employers, unless they are offered incentives to take them on, which employers are, then after 12 weeks the employer claims somewhere between £150 & £500 they then dump that person and get another ill or disabled person in and repeats the process, I know this because my DISABILITY EMPLOYMENT ADVISOR at the DWP gave me a form to hand to an employer that took me on

    Comment by Dean — May 24, 2010 @ 10:12 pm

  60. Keep on at the pair of them, make your M.P. earn thier wages and remember, like it says on thier web site “They work for you”. If ATOS follow thier usual route of subdefuge he will write to you again in 20 days saying he is waiting for a report from the nurse in question and will get back to you. This is rubbish, write back and demand he press the “Nurse” for her report, 20 days is more than enough for an ATOS cardboard cut out to find the right colour creyon and scribble a response to your allegation. Keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 25, 2010 @ 6:50 am

  61. I bet you had to climb a step or two to get onto the bed! This unfair and unnecessary practice should be banned as it is not standard practice in the NHS to ask patients to climb steps to get onto a bed, next time you fill in your IB50 or ESA form ask for the steps to be removed as a condition of being able to get onto an examination bed, give a fair reason for asking. If they dont, just refuse on the grounds that (a) yau asked for this concession on your form and (b) tell them you cant do it, asking them insted to lower the bed. If they say they cant then you cant get up there, if they say its stuck or broken then its a Health and Safety issue.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 25, 2010 @ 6:56 am

  62. It did say in the letter the investigation might take 20 days and he will keep me updated if its going to take longer :S
    My complaint wasnt even the nurse at the time as I thought she was just following orders. It seems they decide there and then whether to do a physical. When I went to get down off the bed she told me to take my time, and she asked me if I had back trouble as she could see the pain I was in. I told her yes and she asked if my neck hurt when I had to do the tests with it so hopefully she`ll have noted it, strange thing to ask if she was going to ignore it.

    I did have to climb onto the bed using a step, when I went to get down I commented on how high it was and the nurse said they dont have the electric NHS ones. Funny enough its not the getting on the bed I had no problems with that it was just the tasks.
    Even if this practice is legal it certainly isnt moral. I wonder if I could get a report under FOI how many people have reported this nurse? Or how many have been found to be fit for work because of her reports?

    Comment by Anonymous — May 25, 2010 @ 8:17 am

  63. I have a medical, or should I say interrogation at Birmingham next week, I have a rare lung disease, I was in intensive care for a week because of a chest infection, my respiratory consultant said that the results of my biopsy and scans show I have severely damaged lungs and he knows little about my disease due to the rarity of it so I doubt ATOS will know anything nor bother to try and find anything out about it, my condition is worsened by physical activity as the blood oxygen levels drop rapidly which in turn causes chest tightening as the heart has to work harder, my concern is that these people will see me when I’ve been sat for a while and I’m breathing okay but “overlook” how quickly I get out of breath and how weak I become from it, I’ve already spoken to the CAB who advised me not to speak about anything that I used to do before I became ill as they twist this and use it against you, I’ve worked all my life, never claimed a thing and now I’m ill I feel like I’m being hounded back to work before I have seen any improvement in my condition let alone recovered from it, people with genuine illnesses are being put under added stress and forced to put themselves at risk, how can this be legal? Can I answer their questions about what I used to enjoy doing or wha job I did with comments like “I’m here for a medical assessment, that question is not relevant to why I’m here”

    Any advice/knowledge before my interrogation would be most helpful

    Comment by Anonymous — May 25, 2010 @ 3:13 pm

  64. I have just got back from the interrogation in Pontefract, on Liquorice way, the sign that says it is the ATOS interrogation camp is a greyish colour, more noticeable is the job centre plus in its usual colours. Outside there is parking for 3 holders of a blue badge, they mention 2 car parks been on the same road but nothing about there been three spaces right outside the doors for blue badge holders.
    On approaching the doors they open automatically for you, my daughter took the appointment letter to the desk while I grabbed the only chair that had arms, not very good ones at that either, all the chairs were low for people who would be applying for any sort of disability benefits, they asked my daughter if I had ID and she turned to ask me I just shook my head.
    We had been sat no more than a few minutes when the alleged doctor called us in, the doctor was oriental and female, I didn’t catch her name and my daughter cannot remember it.
    Her 1st question was the usual wanting to know what my conditions are after struggling to try and get 1 word out my daughter took over and this was partly at the request of the alleged doctor after which I spent most of the interrogation either moaning in pain, shuffling about the chair, rocking backwards and forwards while eyes if they were open looking at the carpet or asleep. The doctor did a lot of double clicking, don’t know whether that is bad or good, and typing. I made very little eye contact with the doctor all through the interrogation, she was not happy at having to make repeated requests just to get me to respond and when I responded to the question where are you after looking around without really lifting I head up I just said “room”, I know I answered or tried to answer at least 1 more question but cannot remember what it was.
    The doctor wanted me on the so called bed but I just looked at it with a blank stare before she said she would do it where I was but needed to move the chair back, the examination was no more than listening to my chest and the alleged doctor lifting my leg a bit and rotating it a bit, after which she said to my daughter my problems seem mentally related rather than anything physical, well does someone with a mental condition walk with a stick? Maybe this was a trick to make me say something. I picked up on her asking my daughter if I had a mobile, I forget the exact answer she gave but it was along the lines of, that I sometimes answer but normally don’t so she send texts.
    My interpretation of the interrogation was that she was not trying to find out what my problems were but how she could make me at worst be put in the work related group or better still be turned down for ESA, something is just telling me that the report will be a pack of lies unless just ticking boxes means a fail and loads of typing means the oposite.

    I am waiting until Thursday until my daughter requests a copy of the report if they want to speak to me they will have a problem as when you have problems talking it is a bit difficult to say you gave permission over the phone.

    The doctor did virtually no examination to, in my opinion, say I had no physical disabilities, I am not bothered as I believe this may be in my favour at a tribunal if they use the medical to remove my DLA

    I have read somewhere that people haven’t even received the copy of the interrogation and they find their ESA has been stopped when they check their bank account and find it hasn’t been put in.

    Comment by Dean — May 25, 2010 @ 3:32 pm

  65. Sorry meant to add or a letter from the DWP informing them of the decision

    Comment by Dean — May 25, 2010 @ 3:37 pm

  66. Any attempt to avoid answering queStions is usually met with silence and the usual “client declined” trotted out on the report. All you will be doing is cutting your nose off to spite your face. Best advice is be truthful and during your answers state you can not see how events in the past can bear any significance on your medical condition today. We all start to deteriorate as we age, even the ATOS cardboard Cut outs know this, they prefer to hide behind the academic process which is allegedly there to standardise the test though. I would tell it like it was your worst day if they get a sniff that you are feeling at all well or better than you were after your last attack they will mark you low. Take someone with you, get them to take notes, ignore the “Doctor” when he tells you thay cant be submitted as evidence at Tribunal or court. Use the forms on the Assessing ATOS page to help you remember what happens on the day and the contacts form to make a note of any conversations you have on the phone with ATOS or the DWP. Good luck and keep us posted

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 25, 2010 @ 5:27 pm

  67. The lack of mentioning nearby disabled parking is common throughout the country, I know of one reader who is taking the matter up with ATOS directly and promises to report back. Look out for the comment ” uses a mobile phone to text friends and make arrangements” or words to that effect, its thier way of debunking some mental and some physical issues. Demand a copy of the report, it will be available today at your local Jobcentreplus, they will try to put you off but insist politely that your call is passed on to someone who can provide you with a copy. The last Jobcentreplus Medical Centre person I spoke to said the same to me, I simply asked her name, the name of her line manager and thier contact address and told her I was going to complain. The report was on my doormat within 24 hours. Good luck and keep us posted. Oh and I still complained.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 25, 2010 @ 5:36 pm

  68. dwp it wasn’t that I didn’t want to say anything it was that I opened my mouth and the words wouldn’t come out, the more I tried the harder it was to get the words out

    Comment by Dean — May 25, 2010 @ 6:56 pm

  69. Hi dwpexamination
    (Still not heard yet from my MP) I know you dont reply to emails, but if I email what I sent to my MP to your mail address you have on here will you tell me what you think of it please on here?
    I still dont understand why they ask you about the work you used to do when youre there for an assessment for them to decide what work youre “able to do”
    My medical was 2 weeks ago, I rang the DWP after four days and requested a copy of the report. The woman on the phone said it wasnt there yet, so I said I was told it was sent on the same day. She said no its not we do not have it yet its not even on our system. I asked her for the report from the medical I had last year also (I had it but cant find it) she said they would be with me in the week. Theyre not here a week later. My pathways to work advisor is lovely even she was going mad about ATOS and told me I did the right thing complaining. When I told her what I had to do at the assessment she said “OMG even I couldnt do that!!” She looked on her system for me and there were no notes about whether Id passed or failed the assessment, I have a feeling instead of the girocheque coming through the door when I get paid its going to be the “You have failed the medical and ESA is stopped”

    Comment by Anonymous — May 25, 2010 @ 7:01 pm

  70. Having complained to atos about my report, i recieved a reply stating that the report was not conducted in accordance with atos healthcare’s Professional Standards and the information contained in the report is not medically reasonable and appropriately justified. Complaining works you just have to keep complaining and ASK for copies of everything cause they won’t send it if you don’t ask. I eventuallly recieved the comments of the doc that did my medical, said he had done nothing wrong. I also recieved a copy of the investigation into my report. I am continuing my complaint as i have not yet been given a reason for atos healthcare’s incompetence. Looks like i’m in for a long fight.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 25, 2010 @ 9:33 pm

  71. Did the doctor lie in his report? How did you go about getting them to admit the report was a dud? And did you request copies of everything mentioning FOI or is it subject access?
    Only thing about them finding the assessment unsound is they might call you back for another. On another site a man has been given compensation for the shoddy way they dealt with him so yes complaining does work. Keep up the fight, it gives me strength to know Im not alone taking these morons on. They made a mug of me and screwed me once they WONT be doing it again.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 25, 2010 @ 10:22 pm

  72. Oh, now I get your meaning. Mmmm, thats a difficult positrion to be in, particularly if you have an impatient “Doctor” who is in a hurry.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 26, 2010 @ 6:24 am

  73. Never give in, you are on the right track and it looks like they are running for cover. Be prepared for a long and drawn out battle, re,member they will try to brush this under the carpetand put you off by waiting as long as possible to reply to you and when they do they will apply the caviat of 20 days to look at your complaint. Be patient, you have nothing to lose, they have, your actions are eating away at the profit they made from your examination. Lets take the battle to them, make them pay as much as they have made you suffer. Keep in touch.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 26, 2010 @ 6:31 am

  74. I agree, no quarter asked, none given.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 26, 2010 @ 6:33 am

  75. Yes, send it to dwpexamination@aol.com and I will comment via the blog.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 26, 2010 @ 6:43 am

  76. The documents from atos were sent out under the data protection act although i did not request them quoting any specific act. i believe the law allows you to see any documents they hold regarding your case.
    Yes i believe the doctor lied as he failed to include information relevant to my case even though this was included in my case and was included in my IB50.
    When complaining try and stick to what you can prove, this is where it pays to ensure you include everything on your IB50 or EAS50. I overloaded them with information on mine. Don’t get drawn in to arguments where it is your word against his as doctors never LIE!
    Have had my benefit re-instated and have now asked DWP to investigate atos as well as their role in my case. I think this will all end up at the chief executives office. It also helps if you can get help from a welfare rights officer, mine was fantastic.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 26, 2010 @ 7:20 am

  77. Ok I have sent it, thank you.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 26, 2010 @ 8:24 am

  78. Emailed my MP again and still no reply. Im sure hed of been quick enough to reply before the elections though! Looks like Im on my own with this I told my specialist all about it in an email and got no reply from him either, it seems nobody wants to know.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 26, 2010 @ 7:41 pm

  79. Dont give up, your MP may be under pressure at the present, they have just had a break for the election and he/she may well have piles of unopend snail mail as well as thousands of emails to get through.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 27, 2010 @ 6:20 am

  80. Well done. I have read both letters, they are just the sort of thing an MP might actually take the time to read. Its best to keep any communications with MP’s to the minimum whilst sticking to the facts. I think you made your point and asked the right questions, its good to see that some thought went into your communications as more often than not we tend to write what we feel rather than what we want to say. In this case I expect it will generate a reply from both parties. Whenever we come into contact with ATOS or the DWP it is often wise to retreat with dignity and think carefully before acting, rather than throwing everything we have at them in one go, thus running out if amunition and eventually grinding to a halt, exahusted from the experience.

    I too could not see the point of asking what you used to do in the past, untill I realised they just wat to rule you rprevious roll out as an avenue you can return to work by. They know the majority of people will think that because they cant do thier usual job, they are safe, wrong. The plan here is to assess your capability for “any” kind of work.

    You are entitled to a copy of the report, it is sent the same day by email, the JC+ front line operative is telling you the truth when they say they dont have it, however, the decision makers do. Ask to be put through to someone who can give you a copy, you will have to wait for someone to call you back who will say something like “we dont usually do this but I will send it to you this time” which is bollocks. If they didnt have to sentd it they wouldnt so why lie?

    Keep us posted

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 27, 2010 @ 7:25 am

  81. It has been denied these individuals working for Atos receive bonuses or are paid for finding people fit for work. lies – or they just tell the truth in their reports.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 28, 2010 @ 9:16 am

  82. Sorry that should have been:
    It has been denied these individuals working for Atos receive bonuses or are paid for finding people fit for work. lies – or they WOULD just tell the truth in their reports.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 28, 2010 @ 9:17 am

  83. How about the alleged doctor or whatever been able to use their interpretation of your answer and not what you actually said? Are the police allowed to use this method? I think not because it is classed as FALSIFYING EVIDENCE, but it is perfectly fine for ATOS to do this because the government say they can

    Comment by Dean — May 28, 2010 @ 1:21 pm

  84. One rule for them, a different set for us. Need I say more.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 29, 2010 @ 8:02 am

  85. Still no reply from my MP, I even resent the mail, not even received an acknowledgement or kiss my arse or anything and still no copy of my report either, every single one of them has ignored me Im fuming.
    I cant even ring as no credit on mobile and no landline (my internet is run off a dongle) No wonder people give up.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 3, 2010 @ 9:30 am

  86. OMG! Just got a letter off the DWP, just to say they are stopping the deductions theyre taking from me as “YOU WILL NO LONGER GET EMPLOYMENT AND SUPPORT ALLOWANCE” !!!!
    No mention of my medical assessment whether I passed or failed but obviously I failed!!!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 3, 2010 @ 10:15 am

  87. I have a quick question, how long after an assessment do you normally hear from the DWP about the decision?

    Comment by Anonymous — June 3, 2010 @ 7:18 pm

  88. Was seven weeks for me, and suppose it just depends on how busy they are, recived notice i only got six points and no longer entitled to ESA, but nothing regarding money, checked my account and no captain cash.
    So expect a letter with the bad news shortly..!!

    Comment by David — June 3, 2010 @ 8:25 pm

  89. Im livid, theyre obviously going to spring the bad news on me when Im expecting to be paid, they have been clever with the letter they sent me they put the sentence “you will no longer get ESA” in the middle of all the waffle about my deductions – when they started, how much they take off me, when they will stop etc. I missed the part about not getting esa at first. So either theyre playing games because Ive antagonised them by complaining, or theyre thick and sent the letter out before letting me know the decision about my medical assessment by mistake.
    I recieved word from my MP, apologising for the delay in replying and saying they will contact ATOS on my behalf, so I sent an email telling them about this letter, got a reply straight back from the manager of the office urging me to appeal and to contact citizens advice for assistance.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 3, 2010 @ 9:57 pm

  90. And dont forget to inform your nearest welfare rights office, when i phoned my local office, all i said to them was ATOS…assessment…and that was as far as i got, the reply was, we can send you a form to fill in and post along with your GL 24, and do you require any help in filling out the appeal papers etc,( they will provide an officer to represent you at the tribunal appeal ) and you will… get ESA, albeit at a reduced rate, provided your GP supplies these so called fit notes.

    And if you win your appeal at the tribunal, all surplus money they owe is backdated.

    And talking about fit notes, my own doctor showed me a pad, and said… there a joke, and as far as i’m concerned they are still sick notes he says.

    Comment by David — June 4, 2010 @ 8:27 am

  91. If your not happy with the medical report when you finally get it complain to Atos. The address for Atos is
    Customer Relations Manager
    Atos Healthcare
    Block 1 Wing G
    Government Buildings
    Otley Road
    Lawnswood
    Leeds
    LS16 5PU

    Also send a copy of your complaint to the jobcentre dealing with your claim and ask for their comments.
    Don’t let them fob you of keep pressing them for answers. I’m currently on my fifth letter to Atos, despite admitting to an unproffessional report they seem to find it difficult to give straight answers. Next letter will go to the Chief Executives office not Atos

    Comment by Anonymous — June 4, 2010 @ 2:36 pm

  92. Theres already a complaint in about the pain I suffered at and after the medical, as soon as I get that report Im going to complain again because I know before I even see it its going to be full of shit. Ive emailed a complaint to the DWP as well because I know theyre being funny, they managed to send me a letter saying my deductions will finish cos I wont be getting ESA, but they cant manage to send the reports I asked for, or even notification that I failed the assessment!! How incompetent is that-they sent that letter before even telling me of their decision, I know for a fact Ill get the notification sprung on me the day Im supposed to be paid!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 4, 2010 @ 3:18 pm

  93. Hello anon.

    Thanks for that address, and by the sounds of things, i believe you are going to win your appeal, dont get angry get even.

    Now for the real good news, iv’e just recieved a reply from the scottish liberal mp Hugh O’Donnel, it’s a response to my e-mail regarding ” SCOTTISH CAB, ESA REPORT UNFIT FOR PURPOSE ” He has tabled a motion regarding this ESA nonsense, as well as writing to IAN DUNCAN SMITH pointing out the Scottish citizens advice, ESA not fit for purpose report.

    You can google in ”scottish parliament debate (theyworkforyou.com)” Then scroll down to Employment and support allowance 6 speeches. And read on.

    What you read there, will help lift your spirits..!!

    Comment by David — June 4, 2010 @ 3:47 pm

  94. Does this apply to the whole of the UK or just Scotland?

    Comment by Anonymous — June 4, 2010 @ 5:06 pm

  95. Does this apply to the whole of the UK or just Scotland? I cant see it anywhere not even on the site….

    Comment by Anonymous — June 4, 2010 @ 5:13 pm

  96. Can you post the link please

    Comment by Anonymous — June 4, 2010 @ 5:15 pm

  97. Why do you think they have 0845 numbers?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 4, 2010 @ 5:52 pm

  98. It varies some here in weeks some in months?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 4, 2010 @ 5:53 pm

  99. Strike one for the psychological warfare team! The delay is deliberate, it means you have to wait longer and are more easily “persuaded” onto other benefits.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 4, 2010 @ 5:54 pm

  100. Thats the norm I’m afraid. The longer we let them get away with it etc. etc. etc

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 4, 2010 @ 5:56 pm

  101. They got no chance with me I`ll fight tooth and nail against these arseholes

    Comment by Anonymous — June 4, 2010 @ 6:04 pm

  102. Hello anon.

    Ok anon and i see your problem in trying to find it, sorry about that, put this in ”27th may 2010, scottish parliament debate (theyworkforyou.com) ” and then scroll to the very bottom of the page, you will see it says employment and support allowance 6 speeches.

    At the moment it’s being talked about in the scottish parliament, and wont be long till it filters to the rest of the UK.

    Comment by David — June 4, 2010 @ 6:29 pm

  103. And you will notice the speech by ANDY KERR SCOTTISH LABOUR MP, who must have been shaking like a leaf before he gave his utterance, because he had a serious problem to solve first, which was seeing that he was part of the Government that knew about ATOS lies and corruption, was told repeatedly by letters and e-mails for over a year at least, and still said nothing, and still he allowed the horror to go on, watch the slimeball cleverly slither his way out.

    Comment by David — June 4, 2010 @ 7:00 pm

  104. Thank you so much for that, much appreciated, do you think anything will be done then or are they talking out of their backsides? Iain Duncan Smith seems a decent bloke will he be speaking for the whole of the UK? We need someone like him!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 4, 2010 @ 7:16 pm

  105. Yeah youre right David, and he still cant shut up about people working, he doesnt seem to want to accept some people just cant work full stop what a little hitler.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 4, 2010 @ 7:19 pm

  106. Well you can appreciate the situation he was in on that day, but the rest of the MPs aren’t fools and know what he’s all about.

    Im not a liberal myself, but if i was a lib-dem spindoctor, my advice would be, now is the time to crush new-liebour completely, and set in motion a ruthless propoganda machine with spin, and believe me i would wipe them of the scottish political map totally.

    And as for what they say and are saying in the scottish parliament, well it sometimes holds sway in westminster, so will/should not be long now before changes are implemented all over the UK. Dont forget westminster makes the desicions..!!

    I believe the new assessment test will be fairer, with probably the same kind of set up as in work related and support group with some minor changes.
    What those changes will be, nobody can tell as yet, but at least ATOS/DWP wont be allowed to lie and cheat, well we can at least hope, it cant be worse can it ?.

    I wrote on another page on this blog, a tsunami has started on the 27 may, and coming your way soon.
    So things are looking better as each week passes, contrast now to a couple of months ago.

    Comment by David — June 4, 2010 @ 8:08 pm

  107. Yes things are certainly looking better now that they all recognise something needs to be done. Question is when will they see it rectified? How long will it take to reform this crazy system? And the contract with ATOS-can they get round changing it?
    I HOPE ATOS`S DAYS ARE NUMBERED!!!!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 4, 2010 @ 9:12 pm

  108. If customers, that is what ATOS prefer claimants to be called, complained about a company in droves then if this was in the private sector that company would be dumped as it was putting the reputation of the other company who hired it at risk, but the government or DWP obviously don’t care about reputation only in saving money.

    Comment by Dean — June 4, 2010 @ 9:50 pm

  109. The problem this new coalition Government have, regarding ATOS and what to do about them is this, THEY, THAT IS ATOS ”HAVE A LEGAL CONTRACT” and for the government to release ATOS from that legaly binding agreement, not only will it be a bureaucratic nightmare, and cost an absolute fortune, you can be rest assured the ATOS lawyer machine will swing in to action with every trick in the book.

    So then… suppose you are David Cameron and company, what do you do ?

    There’s only one way that makes sense, retain ATOS, but come to an understanding with them, what i mean by that is, First of all get rid of LIMA, scrap the conflict of interest bonus system, and offer a salary.
    GPs and Consultants reports will be fully taken in to consideration at the assesment, with proper doctors assesing patients.
    Nurses not allowed to carry out assesments, unless they are specialists in a particular field, phsyciatric nurses etc.

    I had a fucken midwife telling me i was fit for work for instance, there will be none of that nonsense.

    Its a big new contract, and would have to be thoroughly worked out.

    Im sure some of the readers can think of ideas to stick in there, anybody got a better solution ?

    Comment by David — June 4, 2010 @ 10:40 pm

  110. Forgot to mention dean, my last ESA assessment i was a customer, funny i dont recall seeing anything there for sale, but this time i was a client, seems i got promoted, just didn’t get extra money.

    Apparently… I was told claimants have rights, whilst customers and clients dont, at least when one is dealing with the ATOS/DWP.

    Comment by David — June 4, 2010 @ 10:59 pm

  111. You said IAIN DUNCAN SMITH seems like a decent bloke, please dont be under any illusions, he has a good education, and could probably pull out degrees and titles that would dazzle and bamboozle us.

    But if you ever meet these people, and i can assure you iv’e met plenty of people with fancy titles and honours degrees etc, and it didn’t take me long to work out, that a good proportion of them coudn’t ”FIT A NUT ON A FUCKEN HALLOWEEN CAKE” Its just unfortunate for us we have to rely on this guy to be our guiding light.

    Comment by David — June 5, 2010 @ 10:21 am

  112. Like any skilled narcisist would!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 5, 2010 @ 5:00 pm

  113. Theres nothing decent about any of them, trust them not.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 5, 2010 @ 5:01 pm

  114. I hope your right “D”, I hope your right.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 5, 2010 @ 5:03 pm

  115. Also what effect will this have on the proposed re assessments?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 5, 2010 @ 5:03 pm

  116. Ive a feeling not much will change if they dont get rid of ATOS, changing the tests is all very well but theres no mention of the way those scummy ATOS f***ers lie through their teeth so even if they do change the tests whats to say ATOS will be honest? I hate those people with a passion.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 5, 2010 @ 7:04 pm

  117. Howdy.

    Well the above is self explanatory, and if the assessments are carried out fairly, the effect will be negligible, inasmuch as very little movement in to job seekers allowance, because i dont believe there can be any false claimants left, having been all rooted out over the last eighteen months, and are already on jobseekers.
    Which brings me to the next point, all claimants that have been refused ESA and forced into JCB over the last couple of years, should all be fairly reassesed and if found unfit moved back up to one of the two ESA groups, and any money that was illegally deducted from them, should be re-inbursed in to their accounts with immediate effect.

    An end to lies, an end to fabricated medical assesments, an end to ATOS conflict of interst, an end to threats and petty sanctions; an end to penny pinching, and if you feel better and would like to look for work, a complete removal of the fear of losing your benefits because you admitted to some insignificant little official you would love a job.

    Comment by David — June 5, 2010 @ 7:27 pm

  118. Hello anon.

    And i recognise your fears, but any MP that stands up in the house of commons and says ATOS their medical assessments are not fit for purpose, these are fabricated medical reports etc.

    Believe me, thats diplomatic right honourable parliament speak for…ATOS have been lying through their teeth.

    Comment by David — June 5, 2010 @ 7:36 pm

  119. Anon i hate them too, but removing their conflict of interest bonus system, and giving them a salary should help remove incentive to lie.
    Dont forget the Government cant afford a lenghthly protracted battle through the courts, so if my guess is correct, then were stuck with them.

    But i’m only surmising, the above is only what i would do..!!

    It will be interesting to see what happens over the next few months.

    Comment by David — June 5, 2010 @ 7:49 pm

  120. My ways are not their ways, neither are their ways my ways.

    Comment by David — June 5, 2010 @ 8:16 pm

  121. Could be theyre realising the costs of all the appeals? and the way everyone is kicking off doesnt make them look good…this turnaround could be just another way of saving them money that they know is going to waste

    Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2010 @ 9:51 am

  122. That’s right, and saving money is logical, but not at our expense, ATOS have been abusing patients and their rights for too long.

    Apparently in scotland alone, there’s 8,000 appeals every month with a success rate of 70% in favour of the appellant. With one citizens advice officer stating in the ”unfit for purpose report” ”Iv’e had 110 in so far, and won 85 i think or 86” and that figures in at a 94% triumph for that particular officer.

    But since the biggest majority of appeals are genuine, and the doctors and lawyers on these tribunals are not fools, it wont be long before the success rate in favour of the appellant approaches 100%.

    Obviously this is long past totally unacceptable, are you aware, that DWP decision makers dont even know how many of their erroneous decisions going to appeal have been upheld in favour of the appellant, it’s absolutely shocking, ATOS/DWP have carte-blanche to do what they like without any kind of transparency.

    No wonder there’s complete disorder and confusion, and we should DEMAND and not ask, that this, we dont care bear, lack of transparency, unaccountability, we can do what we like, as in forge and rework medical reports, outright lying on medical reports, along with nonsense like ”Client can operate an alarm clock, with the help of another person” on medical reports when is it all going to end.

    Comment by David — June 6, 2010 @ 11:24 am

  123. Can someone help me with this? I sent ATOS an Email asking for the name and qualifications of the HCP who did my medical and also the same of the decision maker who reviewed my ESA form and decided I had to have the medical.
    I got a reply saying they have passed my mail over to the “Department for Work and Pensions Medical Services Contract Management Team as they are responsible for dealing with such requests” And that the DWP will contact me in due course.
    Are they fobbing me off? I would have thought ATOS would have that information? Especially the info on the nurse who did my medical?
    Please if anyone knows advise me because Im very confused

    Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2010 @ 11:51 am

  124. Hi anon.

    The short answer to your question is YES they’re fobbing you off, and because you have the temerity to complain, like myself, you will be marked down in a little black book somewhere, something along the lines of ( Customer impudent, malcontent, not toeing the line, needs special handling ) NOTICE to all personnel : Please be careful in further dealings with Customer x either by letter or e-mail, or any other correspondence. ”CUSTOMER X IS ON TO US”

    Comment by David — June 6, 2010 @ 2:28 pm

  125. They can mark me down as much as they like for being whatever they like theyre not screwing me again and getting away with it, im going to use everything I can to throw at them. So they do have the information I asked for? Im complaining left right and centre I hope it costs them and gives them stress when people do this?

    Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2010 @ 4:40 pm

  126. A lot of information you request from Atos will be sent out from DWP medical services, i think they are based at Blackpool. When i complained and asked to see a copy of the doctors comments and the review of my medical report this was sent out by medical services not Atos. I think it is to do with the various data protection laws. If you don’t hear send another request, just don’t give in thats what they want.

    Comment by A.J. — June 6, 2010 @ 4:42 pm

  127. Did anyone realise that when ATOS are recruiting nurses for mental health assessments, they do not invite mental health nurses to apply. They specify that general/adult registered nurses should apply for these posts.
    I think that this is an abuse of peoples rights as they are not being assessed by the nurses with the most knowledge in this very complex area and could possibly be a factor in such a high volume of people being denied the benefits they are entitled to until they win their appeal.
    I am a nurse with many years of experience and I can say with confidence that mental health registered nurses are by far better equipped to carry out mental health assessments than adult nurses.

    Comment by PMD — June 6, 2010 @ 5:42 pm

  128. Hi

    Yes it’s been noted, i was assessed by a midwife, since ATOS are concerned with profits not health, they dont need specialist nurses, have a look at comment 110 above..!!

    Comment by David — June 6, 2010 @ 6:18 pm

  129. Hello PMD thank you for that comment, would depression need to be assessed by a mental health nurse also? Can they not use the argument that it is not the actual nurse doing the assessment but the software?

    Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2010 @ 7:08 am

  130. Hello,

    According to atos recruitment a general nurse is best able to to assess all conditions.
    But it is obvious that a mental health nurse would be most useful to assess conditions such as depression.
    The argument about the software doing the assessment must hold up in court but is ludicrous as they still must employ people who are registered with the BMA and NMC in order to work the soft ware.
    They also make subjective observations about mental health which a computer cannot do regarding body language speech etc and provide a narrative of the assessment.
    A mental health nurse with many years of experience is going to be able to provide a much more comprehensive picture than a general nurse. but ATOS does not invite mental health nurses to apply for these posts. I will post a link of the ATOS vacancy if that is possible. http://nursingjobs.nursingtimes.net/ general Nurses who trained in the 1980’s and 90’s have recieved only 2 weeks theory and about 4 weeks practical in mental health and have never been theoretically assessed in the area of mental health. I am not sure about the training structure just now but again. Who could argue that mental health nurses are being excluded by Atos from providing clear assessments on behalf of their “clients”.

    Comment by PMD — June 7, 2010 @ 11:08 am

  131. Thanks again PMD, when the nurse asked me if the anti-depressants I take help she seemed really pleased when I said “if it wasnt for them I wouldnt be here” She wrote something on the computer, probably she wrote they have cured my depression.
    When you go to the register site what does it mean when it says next to the nurses name
    ” Registered Nurse – Adult (Level 2)
    No Recordable Qualifications found ”

    Ive tried everywhere to find out what this means and nobody knows, Im hoping the “no recordable qualifications found” means shes not qualified or trained to do Atos assessments.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2010 @ 11:31 am

  132. Wiki is your friend, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_nurse

    Second level nurses
    Main article: State Enrolled Nurse

    Second level nurse training is no longer provided, however they are still legally able to practice in the United Kingdom as a nurse. Many have now either retired or undertaken conversion courses to become first level nurses.

    Maybe they couldn’t pass any course if they needed to to become first class nurses so opted for ATOS who will scrape through the bottom of the barrel to find anyone.

    HOLD ON IS THE CONVERSION COURSE A JOB DOING ATOS ASSESSMENTS :-)

    Comment by Dean — June 7, 2010 @ 1:54 pm

  133. reading further down the link I found this piece interesting

    As of 2013, the Nursing and Midwifery Council will require all nurses in England to hold a degree qualification.

    Wonder how many of the lying nurses it will get rid of as ATOS more than likely has a clause in the renewing of the contract something along the lines of they have to be offered the new contract first and only if they refuse it can the contract be offered to other company’s

    Comment by Dean — June 7, 2010 @ 2:01 pm

  134. Hello Anon,

    Adult level 2 means second level nurse, basically they have completed half the training of a first level nurse.
    So a second level nurse is qualified to assess peoples mental health and a first level mental health nurse is not. I have written to Atos asking why first level mental health nurses are not invited to apply for assessor posts and Atos has replied asking me for my National insurance number before they can give me an answer.I am just a concerned member of the public making a valid enquiry surely this is quite extreme. If i was to ask tescos about there recruiting policy they would not ask for my national insurance number.

    Comment by PMD — June 7, 2010 @ 2:27 pm

  135. P.S regarding no recordable qualification this just means that they haven’t gone on to do any further qualifications that are valid for the N.M.C register. These would be other nursing qualifications such as midwifery or sick children’s certificates community health or clinical teacher.

    Comment by PMD — June 7, 2010 @ 2:38 pm

  136. Youre right, the Government is unlikely to get rid of ATOS A.S.A.P. because of the contract. That would also mean they admit that a serious mistake has been made and thus open the flood gates for all who have been fleeced by the Government, the DWP and ATOS to press for damages. I think it is more likely that ATOS will be “instructed” by an amendment to contract then dumped when appropriate, thats if Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumd have the balls. More interestingly, what is going to happen if this is thrown to the public to decide? Given the biased TV and press coverage the disabled have had over the years it does not bode well for us ? http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 8, 2010 @ 6:19 am

  137. The turn around at appeal only makes the DWP look bad, ATOS tend to be mentioned kless and keep thier heads down to avoid flak.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 8, 2010 @ 6:20 am

  138. This is standard practice, they try to hide in the fog created by the DWP and ATOS. This is one of thier main tools in thier battle for unaccountability, stay with it, follow the trail and when you have been led astray for a few weeks contact your MP, give full details of the run around you have had, back that up with copies of all corespondence and see what happens. Do not be taken in by these fools, someone is accountable.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 8, 2010 @ 6:24 am

  139. Yes. and when you call, listen carefully for the pregnant pause whilst they read the warning which appears on thier screen in red??????

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 8, 2010 @ 6:24 am

  140. Its the persons title that ATOS want, not thier level of knowledge. Thay like to use the vauge term of “Healthcare Professional” in thier reports, it helps with the fog.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 8, 2010 @ 6:26 am

  141. Thats unusual, take that up with the legal profession, I dont think they have the right to ask you for that level of detail when replying to a request for information?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 8, 2010 @ 6:30 am

  142. No Im sure they dont have the right to ask that, why would they need a NI number to answer a question? could be they want to store the NI number for future reference, a warning to them that you asked questions, a black mark in case you ever apply for a position with them…the question you asked PMD has obviously made someone uncomfortable, and anyway isnt excluding nurses with the right qualifications for the job some sort of deliberate discrimination?

    Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2010 @ 8:29 am

  143. Looking through the service standards leaflet from the jobcentre i came across a section on special payments which states, “we run a discretionary special-payment scheme. It aims to help put people back to the financial position they would have been in if we had not made a mistake. More information is given in the guide Financial redress for injustice resulting from maladministration. You can see a copy of this guide in your jobcentre or on the internet at http://www.dwp.gov.uk

    Has anyone tried to claim this after having their benefit reinstated by a tribunal. When i hear back from the jobcentre regarding my complaint about Atos i think i wil try for this. On the website it says you can also get payments for stress caused by maladminstration. Perhaps we should all try and claim this after the tribunals overturn their decisions. If the dwp has to pay out for every wrong decision they will soon dump Atos.

    Comment by A.J. — June 8, 2010 @ 10:28 am

  144. The turn around at appeal only makes the DWP look bad

    That is because I believe many people may miss read the reports if they send for them, believing what they said was in fact what the so called health care professional typed into the report. I have very poor memory and couldn’t tell you what I said 5 minutes ago let alone weeks or months earlier, but sometimes I can read what it was I was supposed to have said and then know what I said word for word. When ATOS first got the contract I believe they tried to see how far they could stretch telling the truth in a report and in the beginning very few appealed the decision so they carried on, I also believe that when governments want people off the disability benefits the appeals tribunals will help keep people off the benefits.

    When, or should that be if, people receive a copy of their report, after reading it and getting angry because they know it has been totally altered, try reading it as you are reading a report on someone you are never going to meet, the only info you have is that report and you have no reason to doubt what it says, unless the DWP decision makers are been told to refuse as many as they can and hope that many of those refused the benefit jump straight on to JSA

    THIS IS MY TAKE ON HOW IT IS DONE WHEN GOVERNMENT WANT TO KEEP CLAIMANTS OFF DISABILITY BENEFITS

    1. Government gives ATOS HCP permission to use their interpretation of what you say in their report
    2. HCP will use certain words that the decision maker maybe told to look out for (this could simply be you saying something of a light weight causes severe pain)
    3. At a tribunal you made be talked over when trying to get your point across by them constantly saying “can you do it” trying to force that YES answer out of you
    4. When tribunal get YES answer out of you take little or no notice of anything else you try and get across
    5. They find you fit for work, YOU HAVE BEEN TOTALLY SHAFTED

    Comment by Dean — June 8, 2010 @ 11:25 am

  145. Some news regarding my Atos complaints. I sent copies of my complaint about Atos to the manager of the jobcentre dealing with my claim and asked for their comments on the matter. Just heard from their customer services department that these complaints have been forwarded to Medical Services Contract Team apparantly they manage the contract between thje DWP and Atos and i should hear from them shortly.
    Customer services at my local jobcentre are now looking into my complaint about the decision maker and his role in stopping my benefit. Yes i complained about that nameless individual who has the power to stop your benefit. They state on the form telling you that you are no longer entitled to benefit that the information they use is taken from your assesment and the form yopu filled in. Well in my case everything i said has been ignored, i have asked for an explanation as to why this happened.
    Now the good news my six months backdated incapacity benefit should be in my account by the end of the week.

    Comment by A.J. — June 8, 2010 @ 4:21 pm

  146. Hey good for you A.J well done! How did you complain about the decision maker? Who did you complain to?

    A Mr Hampshire (Atos manager?) is at the minute investigating my complaint about my medical, the tasks I had to do and the pain it caused me, he requested a copy of my report from the DWP. Im not sure if they notrmally do that but he seems to be looking into it, and he must be taking my complaint seriously, either that or hes going to cover for the nurse. Probably a lot of it will depend on what the nurse has said in her report and God knows what that is so I dont know where this is heading really.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2010 @ 7:47 pm

  147. Ask for the name of the DM, you have a right to know who was responsible for stopping your benefits, especially if you intend to follow it up with a further complaint. Dont let them get away with anonimity, if we wrot e to them and didntt say who we were they would take no notice and bin the letter as unsigned.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 9, 2010 @ 6:31 am

  148. Sounds like a cover up in the making to me!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 9, 2010 @ 6:32 am

  149. Well hopefully he will see the nurse hets her hand slapped at the very least, especially if she lied in her report and said I had no problems doing what she told me to do. Saying that – when they say no problems, officially does that mean without pain?

    Comment by Anonymous — June 9, 2010 @ 6:58 am

  150. Hi anon
    I sent my complaint about the decision maker to the manager of the jobcentre dealing with my claim, their address is on all the letters they send you. It will then get passed onto customer services. I will post their response on this website when i get a response.

    Regarding complaints to Atos in my case the medical report was reviwed by another doctor who then reported on this. Atos then tried to fob me off. But i sent another letter to them telling them i wasn’t happy with their reply they then admitted the report was not of a professional standard, i still have not had proper abswers to my questions from Atos and my complaint is now being reviewed by a senior medical advisor (no profit left from my assessment). Don’t accept their first answers, keep complaining until you get satisfactory answers. So far i have sent five letters to Atos if i am not happy with their next reply i will take my complaint to the next level.

    Also send copies of your complaint about Atos to the jobcentre and ask for them to investigate this as this then lets them know how upset we are with Atos. The more complaints the jobcentre get the more likely they are to do something about Atos.

    I may only be a small thorn in the side of Atos and the DWP but i intend to be an extremely painfull thorn to remove as this is now twice i have had my benefit wrongly stopped.

    Comment by A.J. — June 9, 2010 @ 7:23 am

  151. ATOS dont appear to slap the hands of thier “Healthcare Professionals” though! I think they keep thier enquiries into thier own behaviour very closely to themselves, thats why its also worth complaining to JC+ too then its on your file for good. http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 10, 2010 @ 7:29 am

  152. I agtree, and though you are just one thorn in thier side, there are many others learning the process of complaining from this and other blogs like it. You can imagine the discomfort one would feel from a single thorn, now try to imagine what it would be like to fall into the whole bush? Thats what is now happening, as ATOS and the DWP get more and more complaints about the shoddy behaviour if the charlitans they (ATOS) employ it becomes harder for them to defend thier actions. Keep u the good work and remember, no retreat, no surrender……..

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 10, 2010 @ 7:34 am

  153. I would imagine though if they overstep the mark the managers would have a word? They dont want the contract they have with the DWP put at risk do they, there must be a line they really arent allowed to cross. I told them that the medical caused me so much pain I had to visit my GP (I was the one who copied you the mail I sent) Surely theres some negligence or assault there? It has to cross the managers mind what the nurse made me do was unreasonable if I ended up at the docs after the assessment?

    Comment by Anonymous — June 10, 2010 @ 8:37 am

  154. Atos have to release all documents regarding your complaint BUT only if you request them. The only thing they are not obliged to tell you is the action they take against the HCP, in my case all they will tell me is “appropriate managment action will be taken” ie we will do nothing.

    One other point Atos and the DWP like to keep quiet is, at any future assessment the customer has the right to refuse to be seen by any HCP the customer has had problems with in the past. Just inform them of this when making your appointment. The next HCP you see will be no better than the first one but it is another way of showing our displeasure.

    Comment by A.J. — June 10, 2010 @ 8:37 am

  155. Well the postmans been and they havent sent my payment. My money has been stopped without a single word from them. And still no word as to the outcome of my medical – the only notice I had was that letter from the deductions team saying my deductions will stop as I will no longer get ESA. Two days ago I rang the DWP about this letter and the guy said there was nothing on the system to say my payments had been suspended, failed the medical or anything else. I am so livid and theres nothing I can do today Im at the dentist in a bit for sedation.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 10, 2010 @ 10:10 am

  156. One thought I had after my visit to the DWP on Monday was are they trying to hold our reports from us until after the decision maker has make their initial decision leaving claimants less time to gather evidence that may help them have the decision overturned at appeal. Been told again they have nothing on file about my report and that it could take 6 to 8 weeks I thought was a total load of BS

    Comment by Dean — June 10, 2010 @ 10:28 am

  157. Hi Dean
    I was told it usually takes two weeks to send out medical reports. After 4 weeks i still hadn’t recieved mine so i sent a letter of complaint to my local jobcentre manager, a week later it arrived with an apology.
    I think they are just trying to fob you off so get writing.

    Comment by A.J. — June 10, 2010 @ 12:54 pm

  158. Hi anon
    Sorry you didn’t get your money. Write to the manager of the jobcentre dealing with your claim and ask for an explanation as to why you didn’t get your money or a letter telling you your benefit has been stopped. Don’t waste time phoning as you only get fobbed off.

    Comment by A.J. — June 10, 2010 @ 1:00 pm

  159. I rang them before I went to the dentist, all this snotty abrupt woman would do was offer to send a note somewhere to ask why my payment wasnt sent out as there was nothing on the system to say why my payment hadnt been triggered, and said I would get a call back tomorrow. This has happened months ago and the lady I spoke to then was lovely, she said she would get it straight out or I could go to the jobcentre and pick it up that day. I asked the woman today was there nobody else I could speak to as someone somewhere should know why my payment wasnt sent and she said no.
    So I have to ring them tomorrow to find out if they have received word as to why it wasnt sent. Or wait for them to ring me which will probably be about 5pm. IF they ring!
    I think Im being fobbed off about the report, she said it had been sent out in May, I said no it hasnt, and she realised it had been sent to ATOS manager, so then I said Ive asked for the report a couple of times now and she said “We dont have it!”

    Comment by Anonymous — June 10, 2010 @ 6:26 pm

  160. It depends how far you are willing to take the matter, the harder you push the more likely they are to get worried. Keep on at them, your persistance will probably pay off in the end.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 11, 2010 @ 6:07 am

  161. You can get the report within 24 hours, just depends how persistant and calm you are on the phone untill you reach the right person. Bear in mind, these reports are emailed within an hour of being completed, they are on JC+ system the same day regardless of what they say. Its probably true when the front line operative says they have no access to the system, this is all part of the deceptive line JC+ take on matters like these, so you have to persist. Ask to be put through to csomeone who can authorise a copy, tell them to speak slowly as you are making notes, ask thier name and contact number. In a word, put them under pressure, you will see how they dont like it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 11, 2010 @ 6:15 am

  162. Lies, lies, lies. These fools will tell you anything. They should call you back within 3 hours of your call being passed on. The lie about the report is unacceptable too, thay wouldnt accept that sort of crap from you, would they? You are being lied to and fobbed off, make a note of the name and contact details of the person you spoke to, ask for the nale odf thier line manager and complain ti them about the shpddy treatment you have recieved at thier hands. This is a bloody disgrace.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 11, 2010 @ 6:20 am

  163. I did ask the woman if there was another number I could ring or someone else I could speak to that would know whats going on, because all I got from her was “I dont know” and “You will have to wait for a call back, that is the process” When I was trying to explain stuff to her she kept talking over me, repeating herself but louder with proper attitude, it was like she enjoyed having the upper hand. I got her first name and her tone changed, I wish Id got more details, Im going to ask if they leave footprints in their system when theyve taken a call. The last time this happened the girl I spoke to was lovely, she didnt care about reasons why my payment hadnt been triggered, she got it sorted for me there and then.
    So today Im still sat here with no money, gas and electric meters (no gas left and I have arthritis) and God knows when Im going to hear from them. I think Im being singled out, its all to much of a coincidence, first the medical and I complain, then that letter from the deductions team saying Im not getting ESA so wont have any more deductions, no reports sent, no word about the outcome of my medical and now no payment and nobody knows why! I complained weeks ago by email to the top boss of the DWP – no reply, I complained by email to customer services at the DWP – no reply. Im not going to waste my time with letters.
    I get no reply by email, and on the phone Im told “We dont know” Im at a loss now Maybe I should go to Citizens Advice?

    Comment by Anonymous — June 11, 2010 @ 6:55 am

  164. PS.
    Should have said, my MP is even on their case and its made no difference whatsoever, to be honest its made things even worse!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 11, 2010 @ 7:35 am

  165. We all feel the same way, it looks to us that we are all being singled out because we are isolated from other people in the same situation. The DWP know this and revel in sending out this image, first you have got to try and think positively, you are not alone, you are not being singled out for special treatment and whats worse, they can prove that because thier system will back them up by demonstrating they treat every case the same. The best thing to do is to get help from the CAB or your Local Authority Welfare Rights Officer, contact both and work woth the first one who can give you an appointment. You need to do this as soon as possible otherwise you will suffer especially if you lose light and heat. Next time you have any contact with the DWP or ATOS make notes about your conversation, tell them you are making notes and get thoer details, this way you guarantee a paper trail when things they promise do not happen. Remember, once they have sent you thier decision, they have no further interest untill you contact them. The call back system is supposed to have someone contact you within 3 hours of your initial enquiry, if they dont you need to make a further complaint to thier manager. I dont understand why you were told you had to wait a day for someone to call you back? if they are overburdened with calls thats thier problem, they should employ more staff to prevent this disgrace happening again. Good luck and please keep us updated with your progress.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 11, 2010 @ 9:03 am

  166. Even if your complaint made it into the national media, ATOS would either have no response or call it an isolated incident.

    Maybe been fobbed off with the 6 -8 weeks would stop if they received all the requests for a copy of the report in writing which under the DPA/SAR (data protection act/ subject access request) allows them no more than 40 days to send you a copy of the report, so maybe it is time the DWP started receiving a large number of standardised requests in writing from people who want a copy of their report. You can find the form on the DWP site here

    http://search2.openobjects.com/kbroker/dwp/dwp/search/search.lsim?qt=subject+access+request&sr=0&nh=10&cs=ISO-8859-1&sb=0&hs=0&sc=dwp&oq=suject+access+request&sf=&ha=1092&mt=1

    just fill in your and in the other information at the bottom that you require a copy of your ATOS medical report done @ on and post it on the way to your medical as then it is highly unlikely your appointment will be cancelled especially if your mobile, if you have one is on silent :-) , make sure you make it clear that you require both computerised and clerical records.

    Comment by Dean — June 11, 2010 @ 9:40 am

  167. I had the dentist yesterday, I was having treatment under sedation and told the woman but she kept on repeating herself saying I would get a call back in the afternoon, I said to her at the finish “Ive repeatedly told you I will be under sedation this afternoon at the dentist, can you PLEASE give me a number I can call or let me speak to someone who does know whats going on” So I have to wait for them to call me today, the postmans been and still no payment. Ive no landline, the internet is a dongle that my daughter pays for in her phone contract, no credit to ring them (Even for the freephone number you need to have credit)
    Im devastated by all this, its miles to walk to the office I wouldnt make it. Im completely at their mercy. Never again will I question anything or complain, at the end of the day it makes things worse where the DWP are concerned.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 11, 2010 @ 9:50 am

  168. Hello Dean,

    Hang in mate these situations can be so bad that finding the vocabulary to describe them becomes a job.
    I am convinced that the greatest orators that have ever lived would be going off their nuts and ranting down the line to vivaldi’s 4 seasons DWP pipe music.
    I have been in a similar situation a few years ago and thought I was never coming back from a really dark place. I had my primary illness to deal with and the whistles and bells that came from the Atos DWP buisness.
    I went to my Mp a few times and the secretary was very effective in speedily getting results.It can help so much knowing that someone with a bit of clout is helping. Best wishes.

    Comment by PMD — June 11, 2010 @ 10:51 am

  169. Not all MP’s are as helpful though, I contacted my local MP (Conservative party, who is now one of Cameron’s Cabinet Minsters) I advised him of my situation, about my illness, the trouble I was having with the DWP and getting ES&A from then, that I was having my home repossessed because I lost my job through my illness and that no housing authority would accept any application for housing until my home had been taken.

    His reply was “sorry to hear you’re ill, there are currently 2.5 million people claiming IB in Britain, the Conservatives feel this is an untapped skills resource and under a Conservative Government you will be encouraged to find work instead of claiming benefits, once you are in employment you will be in a position to find privately rented accommodation”

    The lack of understanding and interest infuriated me, so much so I forwarded his reply to the now Prime Minister and am waiting on any form of acknowledgement from them, there was no advice on what I should do about the situations I find myself in, still receiving treatment for my condition, in the process now of a possession order being issued with no housing association accepting my families situation as an issue, what bothers me the most is none of the above, it’s the fact there are genuinely ill people out there that are being bullied into to work before they should be, whilst there’s a small percentage of others out there that could easily do a job who have milked the system dry and continue to do so without any questions, I know this to be true as I know one, no job for 5 years, gets every benefit known to man and thinks it’s something to be proud of that she doesn’t have to work as all she tells the DWP and her GP is that she needs alcohol, no assessments, straight on to IB, I have a disease that I got because I inhaled a toxic dust at some point in my working life, I’ve worked full time from 16, I lost my job a while ago but didn’t claim for a bit because I thought I would’ve been able to go back to work now my GP and Consultant say it’s not safe yet as they haven’t managed to slow down the progression of my condition but the DWP refuse to accept their opinion, they sent me for an ATOS assessment, what a joke!!, the DR in all fairness was good, well seemed it, recorded everything I said on LIMA, details of my medication, I showed them all the hospital letters, the DR had the PC monitor turned so I could see what was being entered, then came the assessment side, now because of my condition I can’t walk further than 50 metres without getting seriously out of breath and have chest pains, I can’t open jars, bottles, can’t lift more than 2 – 3Kgs, can’t stand for long nor sit for long, my medication is an immune suppressant so I am at risk of infections, all of which the DR acknowledged and even knew of my medication when I showed them, despite all this the assessment was to raise my hands above my head, put my hands behind my neck and to straighten out my legs one by one whilst sitting and that was that, I even asked what that had to do with my condition, they said to see if I had any “Bone pain” I have Interstitial Lung Disease??? I told the DR that it was a flawed assessment, they never asked how far I can walk, sit for, stand for or anything, the reply to that was “I can see you have a genuine illness and you shouldn’t be working, I see people daily who have nothing wrong with them but claim to be unable to work, but I can’t put this in the report, I have to follow the legislation and guidelines set to me by the government and DWP and I can’t deviate from the questions set out by the system all I can do is enter as much information from you as possible, the decision is down to someone else”

    I’m now waiting for the letter from DWP saying I have failed to score enough for ESA and I have to look for work, I know it’s coming.

    I know my thread is more of a rant than anything but it infuriates me, someone should do a survey of how many peoples conditions have been made worse or even something even worse as a result of being forced into work too soon, there are may people out there that should hang their heads in shame at living off genuinely ill and disabled people who have been bullied in to work.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 11, 2010 @ 11:36 am

  170. Thanks for the support its keeping me going. And thanks for the link to the FOI thing, I have no printer though so will have to leave that for now.
    The reason I think things have got worse is because I involved my MP, even before the payment wasnt sent. things just seem to be getting worse and I cant get any answers. I just rang them again my daughter brought her phone, the person I spoke to said my payment was sent yesterday, and the delay is because theyve been “doing maintanance work on my claim” I dont believe that for a minute. I asked about the report, even he said its been sent out and I had to explain again it was sent to the ATOS manager – not me! He said he would send off a notice to have it sent, I laughed and said yes I hear that everytime, and when I ring up nobody can tell me why it hasnt been sent. I said why doesnt someone just send it? by law its meant to be sent, His reply to that was “OK” Then silence. Theyre holding onto that report for a reason. I think I failed that medical and thats why I got the letter off the deductions team about no longer getting ESA, and when Atos manager has asked for a copy of the report, and they had contact from the MP theyve realised someone is digging and for now have taken the details of me failing off the system. And I think theyre holding onto everything until the digging is done. I asked the person I spoke to today for a copy of the ESA form I filled in, he said why would you be wanting that? I said in case it goes to tribunal, he said well if it goes to tribunal then you will get a copy of it.
    My MPs secetary has contacted them, sometime last week that was, I told her how worried i was about not getting my payment and low and behold Im still being messed about and no payment.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 11, 2010 @ 11:39 am

  171. Keep going we are all behind you. You don’t need a special form to request documents under the DPA/SAR just put in a letter that you wish to see copies of your medical report and your ESA50 that you filled in.

    Comment by A.J. — June 11, 2010 @ 1:29 pm

  172. Having just had my medical by a Dr Ranjan Chowdhary and scored ZERO Points
    including Zero for Fits seizures and blackouts
    I have Epilepsy as a result of a fall in 1981 and have suffered epilepsy since then
    I have 2 – 7 full seizures a week but can go for 2 weeks without a full blown seizure, however I still get many away seizures in a day resulting in short term memory loss.
    I also suffer from the side effects of long term use of anti convulsants
    I take 700mg 3 x day of Gabapentin
    leaving me with the following conditions on top of my epilepsy
    Ataxia
    Arthritis
    Amnesia
    other medication is 30/500mg cocodamol taken 4 times a day
    and 90mg arcoxia taken once a day

    In my away seizures I am unaware of my surroundings and unaware of any dangers
    as a result of this I have a carer and also get DLA with care component and Mobility component
    (at least I used to and now they have stopped my ESA)
    The doctor LIED blatently on the report he said i only suffer MINOR Injuries from my falls(note he admits I have falls and blackouts here) my minor injuries in the past 3- 4 years include broken ribs three times/broken nose/broken fingers/numerous gashes to my head and kness from falls
    my right knee is a mess and painful to ben ALL THE TIM not to mention the anoying click it gives
    due to ataxia my fingers get a loss of sensation and arthritis gives great pain in my hands.
    yet somehow the doctor failed to put any of this in his report He claimed he did a full examination of my spine neck shoulderblades etc (He never even looked or touched them) and I remained fully clothed at all times
    He said I tied my shoe laces (I wore sandles as I have done for the past 7 years due to my fingers not working as well as they should and the pain in bending to do them (I dont wear socks either for a combination of reasons first pain in bending second it not too cool man to wear socks with sandles.)
    In short the doctor LIED in his report and I ended up with ZERO points…….even with Epileptic seizures…..
    I have reported him to ATOS (we will see if they do anything) but just to be sure I have reported him to the GMC and also written to My MP in the Houses Of Parliament.
    I have contacted the DWP for an appeal and I am writing to BBC’s Panorama.
    I will kep folks here updated
    Take care and be lucky

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 11, 2010 @ 4:21 pm

  173. Hello kenn.

    Your dreadfull experience is normal with ATOS health uncare, and one only has to look at the internet to see how prevelant these poor medical assesments are, and how it’s affecting people.
    With the symtoms you’ve just described, and with some help from a local welfare rights officer, winning an appeal would be childs play, the big downside is the assesment phase untill you win that appeal.

    First of all let me explain something Kenn, these so called HCPs are told to lie on their medical assesments in return for a bonus, because it’s well known, at least in the last few months, they dont recieve a salary, and the decision makers pay is performance related, the lack of accountability and transparecy to push as hard as they can/like is a guarantee from the Government, this whole charade is all pre-planned, and can i point you to a good explanation of how they are going to do it all, [THE UNDESERVING ILL-A WARNING ] ( M.E.& THE NAZI LEGACY) you can read or download for free, and it’s brief with only six pages, The author John Sayer has got it all worked out, and his insight is spot on.

    Apologys on behalf of your fellow man kenn, and hope things turn out for the best in the end.

    Comment by David — June 11, 2010 @ 5:11 pm

  174. Well I figure if there are around 2million folks who are unfit for work (thats us lot I think) thats 2 million voters and if 2 million folks wrote a letter then something would have to change ATOS made 5.1 billion yes thats right BILLION last year thts more than the NHS Budget!!!!!
    write to Panorama let them know your horror stories they have the resourses to expose ATOS for what it is (skuse my spelling my mind does not always work well and I cant be arsed to use a spool checker)

    Comment by Kenn — June 11, 2010 @ 5:35 pm

  175. Hi Kenn, sorry about your ordeal your story is similar to mine, I have epilepsy and arthritis, the DWP and Atos between them have made my life a living hell, they wont send me the examiners report, cant tell me the decision of my medical (which seems to have been reached on or before may 26) I was due a payment yesterday and its not been sent, I got a letter from the deductions dept saying they were stopping the deductions as I will no longer be getting ESA and nobody can give me an explanation as to what the hell is going on.
    If the Doctor has lied about you in his report see a no win no fee solicitor, its the first thing Im going to do if that nurse lied about me and I will take it as far as I can, oh and Im STILL waiting for the nurses full name and qualifications which I requested weeks ago!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 11, 2010 @ 8:37 pm

  176. OK Write to the DWP Freedom Of Imformation act or even better get the CAB to contact them YOU WILL GET THE REPORT

    Comment by Kenn — June 12, 2010 @ 8:02 am

  177. Write to your MP at the
    “Your MP”
    House Of Commons
    London
    SW1A 0AA

    Atos Customer Relations
    ATOS Healthcare
    Wing G
    Block 1
    Government Buildings
    Otley Road
    Lawnswood
    Leeds
    LS16 5PU
    (best part now a real phone number) USE IT flood the line
    01132912603 (2 million phone calls should do it :))

    Also try a charity called DIAL they can help you and be there for you in an appeal

    Comment by Kenn — June 12, 2010 @ 8:11 am

  178. Thanks Ken. I think Im going to go to CAB, theres so many different things going on now its too much for me to deal with on my own. I think theyre holding on to the report until they can get the decision out, someone from the DWP was meant to ring me yesterday regarding it and they didnt.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 12, 2010 @ 8:13 am

  179. Hi again Ken, my MP is already involved, it seems even that hasnt helped in fact things got worse after I involved my MP :(

    Comment by Anonymous — June 12, 2010 @ 8:15 am

  180. PS
    I complained to atos about the medical and the manager is “investigating”…

    Comment by Anonymous — June 12, 2010 @ 8:16 am

  181. OK they will take up to 20 days you dont have to agree with their result pass it on to the ombusman

    Comment by Kenn — June 12, 2010 @ 8:28 am

  182. Sorry to sound thick whats the Ombudsman? If its something else I can use against these morons I`ll do it.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 12, 2010 @ 8:41 am

  183. Contact the CAB they will fix you up with the ombudsman its is an indendent investigation they will look at the opperating practices and make sure that the investigation was done fairly

    Comment by Kenn — June 12, 2010 @ 8:47 am

  184. BTW has anyone else come across Dr Ranjan Chowdhray

    Comment by Kenn — June 12, 2010 @ 8:47 am

  185. I dont know but the last medical I had it was done by a foreign man, cant remember his name but his English wasnt good and he lied through his teeth!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 12, 2010 @ 9:48 am

  186. Well I got my payment and with it instead of the usual “this is for ESA from x until x” it says –

    “If you want to know more about this payment get in touch with us”
    “jobcentreplus work to offer a complete service through your jobcentre. If you have an enquiry about your claim for Employment and Support allowance you will be referred to the Decision maker or appeals section”

    ????????

    Comment by Anonymous — June 12, 2010 @ 9:58 am

  187. Hi Kenn
    Keep on complaining with Atos as it took me a couple of letters to get an admission that their report was unprofessional and that the medical advice was not reasonable or appropriately justified (i think they mean we lied). Also send a copy of your complaint about Atos to the manager of your local jobcentre and ask them to investigate as this will show the DWP how upset with Atos we are.
    Good luck with your complaint and appeal, make sure you get help from CAB or a local welfare rights officer as more appeals are succesful when you are represented.

    Comment by A.J. — June 12, 2010 @ 10:48 am

  188. Its allright, we want to hear how you feel, we also want the rest of the readers of this blog to know how you feel, so go ahead, cut loose. If doing so helps you release the dury you feel then that is fine. Like yourself, many seriously ill people have fallen victim of the ATOS assessment system, there is clearly no place for it in assessing your condition. ATOS and the DDWP will hide behind the system hoping you will go away. Wait for the letter to arrive, that will confirm or put to rest any fears you have, do not make youraself ill thinking the worst. Keep your chin up and keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 12, 2010 @ 2:48 pm

  189. You are entitled to have a copy of your medical report, they can not deny you this. Please contact the CAB or your Local Authority Welfare Rights Officer. I can not believe they are treating you like this

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 12, 2010 @ 2:50 pm

  190. Well done Kenn, How was his English? I dont want to be distrespectful but if someone has a poor understanding of the English language, both written and oral then there is a danger the alleged “Doctor” actually did not know what he was entering ito the system? Do you have a copy of the report?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 12, 2010 @ 2:54 pm

  191. My thoughts exactly, 2 million votes could throw this lot out.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 12, 2010 @ 2:54 pm

  192. yes I do have a copy all 31 pages which he claims only took him 18mins to complete…………….
    jesus it took me longer than that to read it

    Comment by Kenn — June 12, 2010 @ 3:00 pm

  193. Well my first lenthy post was removed because i broke a regulation here and for that I am sorry but I am not sorry for its content which was 100% truthful and honest in every line

    Comment by Kenn — June 13, 2010 @ 6:34 am

  194. ooops wrong message board it was the BBC that dropped my post not this one

    Comment by Kenn — June 13, 2010 @ 7:17 am

  195. No it wasnt? I have never once removed a post from this site. You must be mistaken Kenn, I just wouldnt stoop to that. This blog is all about the rights of people to speak freely and anonimously if they wish to do so. I do not and will never operate comment moderation and although some comments do get caught in the spam filter, and are consequently delayed , they all make it to the site.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 13, 2010 @ 7:22 am

  196. Thats more like it Kenn, we welcome your comments, keep posting. Typical BBC though, they like to hide behind impartiality and political correctness, unless they are making a programme about disability fraud that is.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 13, 2010 @ 7:24 am

  197. I still think we should all write to Panorama and force them to expose what is happening to genuine disbled folks like ourselfs
    Having looked over Dr Chowdhray’s full 31 page book on my health status and fitness to work I can see how he managed to write it all in just 18mins he has cut and pasted throughout the entire doccument.
    And due to the fact that I have ZERO points on my scoresheet I must assume that some Admin assistant in the DWP has also been reticent in their tasks as for a epileptic to score ZERO on blackouts and fits is a Joke in extreme bad taste.
    Be not downheatened I keep telling myself the appeal will show the truth (Do I really believe that, Nope) What I would like to know is WHO has told ATOS to fail so many of us disabled folks.
    Yes I am sure that there are indeed malingerers who have been scamming the system for years (The Windasses of society) And even if the Appeal is unsuccessful show me an employer that will give me a job? Apart from the ovious due to my epilepsy I could fall and hurt myself or perhaps hurt another, I have amesia and keep forgetting the tasks that I am doing (trust me that is not fun, and for those of you who dont have amnesia let me explain a little. “We have met yes I have met all of you, except I have not. you know I have and you think I am joking when I say I dont rember, the joke becomes an argument, which cecomes heated and I am left feeling like you are all taking the piss. I have no memory of it at all It did NOT exist”” Short term memory loss causes rifts between me and my devoted partner and I have lost many friends due to it.
    My dexterity is rubbish due to arthritis and ataxia not to mention loss of sensation in my fingertips (which has gotten worse over the years (yes I can type but jesus it is labourious) but you would never read my handwriting (I cant even read it myself) I have away seizures on a daily basis. So long and short here is due to my conditions not to mention my medications I cant Drive or use machinery, I cant be trusted to complete simple tasks, I require my carer with me when I go out (to keep me safe and try to protect me when i fall (not to mention protect me from well meaning but stupid individuals who have tried to shove all sorts of things into my mouth when I am having seizures) And my carer is there for me when I come too (which is scarey for as I am utterly confused at that moment and it can take 20mins for me to get my bearings again.)) OK appart from that I am (Well I like to think so an inteligent and articulate individual).
    So as an employer would you give me a job?????? If I were an employer I have to say honestly NO i would not employ me
    would any of you out there if so, Give us a job please…………….

    Comment by Kenn — June 13, 2010 @ 7:53 am

  198. Hi Kenn
    you probably don’t remember me but i have a job for you, post the details for contacting panorama on this site please.

    Comment by A.J. — June 13, 2010 @ 10:37 am

  199. What chance do I have?????

    The woman making the appointment said I would not be seen by a doctor? when asked she didn’t know if they have DEALT with people like me before? What does that mean?

    I have Asperger’s Syndrome/ High Functioning Autism Spectrum Disorder, Re-constructed right hip (re-built for 11.5 stone woman) with re-occurent fractures due weight increase from Poly Cycistic Ovary Syndrome (now 18 stone, currently losing 2lbs a week and consuming less than 1200 calories per day). NHS will not replace until I’m 55, regarless of hip deteriation. All of my health issues are being managed by NHS doctors or specialists. I have been on our local ocupational waiting list for over 2 and half years.

    I fall all the time, suffer with panic, anxiety, IBS…have a low immune system with repeated episodes of MRSA infections and diabetes. My days have to be planned minute by minute.

    I lose jobs due to communication breakdowns, agoraphobia, falls and lack of retention. I cannot tolerate new places, people or unknown situations…and usually act out or cannot speak. I’m a 39 …I can’t walk more than 25 yards without pain. Stairs are a nightmare.

    Employers discard me on interview.

    My appointment is next Saturday 19th in Norwich (only 70 miles, round trip), none of my support are available on Saturday.

    The parking is 500m away from building in a busy city doing the assessment …not a place I visit for any reason. I have no money and transport. I cannot use public transport.

    Any suggestions or advice?

    Comment by Claire — June 13, 2010 @ 10:41 am

  200. Hi Claire
    Ask your doctor for a letter stating you cannot possibly get to the assessment due to your conditions, they will then have to visit you and do the assessment at your home.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 13, 2010 @ 11:09 am

  201. Hi Claire
    Demand a home visit. If you attend the medical they will then use this to say you have no problem with agoraphobia or problems with new places, people and unknown situations. Don’t let them bully you hold out for a home visit insist you are unable to use public transport. Best of luck.

    Comment by A.J. — June 13, 2010 @ 3:01 pm

  202. A J tell me more about the job And I wished I did remember you ok as far as Panorama I just went to their website and emailed them

    Comment by Kenn — June 13, 2010 @ 9:03 pm

  203. Claire ask for Home visit or get your GP to demand it
    also as you have asbergers get your carer to be present (I am asumong that you have one) if not GET ONE fast.

    Comment by Kenn — June 13, 2010 @ 9:06 pm

  204. panorama.reply@bbc.co.uk
    all write please

    Comment by Kenn — June 13, 2010 @ 9:07 pm

  205. OAKY DOAK.

    And sent my e-mail in to the panorama team, got the automated reply, and if enough e-mails flood in, they wont have time to read anything else tamurra. HA HA.

    I’m not sure why the BBC Scotland, ( ATOS ”unfit for purpose report” ) hasn’t been shown in the rest of the UK yet, i’m starting to wonder if there’s some kind of conspiracy going on..!!

    Comment by David — June 13, 2010 @ 10:00 pm

  206. I managed to watch it on Iplayer, what a programme, they did a job on ATOS alright. I am emailing Panorama too. No retreat, no surrender…

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 14, 2010 @ 4:01 am

  207. I the words of
    William Wallace “saorsa” (Freedom)
    Bobby Sands “We must see our present fight right through to the end”
    Winston Churchill “A man does what he must – in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures – and that is the basis of all human morality”
    Margaret Thatcher “I usually make up my mind about a man in ten seconds, and I very rarely change it”

    It is easy to get quotes and say c’mon lads lets fight em The truth however is a different fish and I know and understand how soul destroying and draining fighting the system can be but really and i say it with all honesty of belief of conviction is we all stick together on this one we should win hands down and get what are our legal rights look at the reality of this why the F*** would I want to fight for £53(ESA) instead of £79(JSA) what is wrong with the DWP that they cant see the simple mathematics, what is wrong with the Government are they also blind and David Cameron most of all should know the Dangers of Epilepsy and he had 24/7 care for his young boy Wake up David and sort out this mess that you have created and left the disabled to battle on their own. what kind of man would pick on the week and defenceless what kind of politician would look for accolades from winning over those who are least able to protect themselfs and what nation would think itself great for creating its own 3rd world ecconnomy for a single class within its society (thats us by the way)
    Gimme a Job please
    Kenn Gordon
    well at least you can do is VOTE FOR me:)

    Comment by Kenn — June 14, 2010 @ 7:27 am

  208. please can someone send a link for “unfit for purpose report” so I can watch it

    Comment by Kenn — June 14, 2010 @ 7:33 am

  209. And dont forget Oscar Wilde, who was a hundred years before his time, he was up against the same mentality, and if he were alive today, he might have said, ( The fucking unspeakable, in full pursuit of the untreatable )

    Comment by David — June 14, 2010 @ 7:38 am

  210. BTW where is my Job AJ I want a job if any one will take me on so long as they treat me with respect and allow for my conditions then I will work long hours and work hard
    Gimme a Job
    BUT UNTIL THEN Gimme what is mine and dont mock the less able (not you AJ) the dwp and atos

    Comment by Kenn — June 14, 2010 @ 7:41 am

  211. You know what I like? The way the nurses ears pricked up when my dog was mentioned. Ive had my dog for five years, before I was ill. Does having a dog mean youre not too ill to work? Am I supposed to dispose of/rehome my dog to prove I am too ill to work? What happens if youre ill and have kids? Kids take more looking after than a dog so are you supposed to dispose of your kids? No. My dog is part of the family. I cant believe they can use this against you the sick F***s!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 14, 2010 @ 7:51 am

  212. Someone here said something that we should all look at GET A Lawyer surely there is some legal boff out there that wants to amke a neme for him/herself
    fight for dissiblity rights we could really use your help…!

    Comment by Kenn — June 14, 2010 @ 8:09 am

  213. The programme is called (Whoes cheating who ?) and was aired on 10-45pm of the 26th may a discussion of ATOS origin/Healthcare malpractice, Based around the Scottish Citizens advice Bureaux report ”ATOS unfit for purpose”
    Sorry cant provide a link, perhaps deedubyaex can direct you there, when he/she comes back on line later on.
    The CABS ( ATOS unfit for purpose ) report is available and can be read on the net.

    Cheers David.

    Comment by David — June 14, 2010 @ 8:22 am

  214. Hi anon.

    It just shows ATOS will clutch at any straws to deprive you of your Legal Rights, obviously according to their twisted logic, anyone having a dog, must take it for a walk ergo must be fit for work.

    They like to play HARDBALL, So the moral is… give them no information that can help them fuck you over, because they use every trick in the book, and use your own honesty against you, so my advice to anybody who has to deal with these twisted liars is tell them what you want them to know and no more.

    It never occurs to these idiots that having a dog is great therapeutic value, and for a person who is ill, great company, therfore helping to prevent one descending in to madness.

    Comment by David — June 14, 2010 @ 8:44 am

  215. Yes youre right. Sometimes having a pet is the only thing that keeps people going. There is only me and him here, hes a good watch dog so being female and living on my own he makes me feel safe. It was my daughter who mentioned the dog but she told the nurse she walks him. Now when shes not here to walk him Im frightened if I have a good day and walk him theyll be watching me. The amount of complaints Ive put in and the games theyre playing with me I wouldnt be surprised! (Im the one whos complained about the medical, rang them consstantly, got my MP involved and they didnt send my payment, and had strange letters from the deductions dept saying Im not getting ESA anymore though Ive had no word about the outcome of the assessment)

    Comment by Anonymous — June 14, 2010 @ 8:56 am

  216. Just wondered – do physiotherapists write reports for ESA?

    Comment by Anonymous — June 14, 2010 @ 8:57 am

  217. Midwifes work for ATOS, telling people their fit for meaningful work, they have to scrape the bottom of the barrel, because they’re struggling to get proper doctors.

    Dont get me wrong midwifes have their place, but not for ”fit for work assesments” unless specialists in a particular field, and assesing that particular field only.

    So the short answer is, they will take almost anybody..!!

    In october 2008 the Government changed the word doctor, nurse etc to ”Health care professional” to accomodate ATOS.

    Comment by David — June 14, 2010 @ 9:37 am

  218. Sorry I didnt explain, just wonderting if the physio Im seeing would do a report for me in regards to my ESA or appeal

    Comment by Anonymous — June 14, 2010 @ 10:06 am

  219. Just had the DWP on the phone apologising for the trouble ive had with them she was really nice. shes asked for a copy of the report of Atos and theyre faxing it and she said I should get it tomorrow. Shes told me the doctors have said I failed the medical. I knew it was coming really but I cant stop crying, the woman I spoke to said herself its ridiculous. I told her if the nurse has lied about me Im going to see a solicitor. Im devastated its the hassle of getting sick notes and stuff and appealing its a right f**k on when youre not well.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 14, 2010 @ 11:17 am

  220. Yes any health worker could in theory, although they usually ask their own boss first, if they have one to ask that is, so GPs and Consultants or nurses and i’m sure even your carer if they have medical experience, if he/she is with the local health authority.

    writing a report wouldn’t be a problem, and the more reports the better, NO… the problem is, can you pay ?

    If you have less than £6,000 capital, not to sure on that figure though, and you need to check that, you could qualify for legal aid, and get all the reports in one fell swoop.

    Comment by David — June 14, 2010 @ 12:39 pm

  221. Show them you are not dead just disabled Complain Complain and then complain they must not be allowed to play GOD Apparently after having epilepsy for 30 years Dr Ranjan Chowdhary (ATOS) thinks I dont have epilepsy (the next guy in the waiting room is some bloke (I think he is a eastern european Migrent worker) called Lazerus or something like that)

    Comment by Kenn — June 14, 2010 @ 12:44 pm

  222. I dont have a tenner never mind 6 grand. Its a nightmare even if I got an appointment it would be miles to walk, at least 6, at most 26. Im snookered.

    Kenn do you take meds for your epilepsy? How can he say you dont have it? what did he say you have? Im sure theyre not supposed to diagnose.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 14, 2010 @ 2:03 pm

  223. All ATOS “processionals” are the same, money hungry, just the same as any other person that can write their own wage slips with performance related pay, give them a basic salary without incentives for signing people fit for work and see how their opinions would change to honest ones….they think they’re untouchable at the moment because the government and DWP back them, the one I saw came across okay, but according to the opinion given (said it to my face too, I might add) my consultants diagnoses of lung disease that has been confirmed by CT scans, open lung biopsy’s and numerous rare disease specialist, is nothing more than a “chest infection”, know anyone else who has to take steroids and is on chemo for a chest infection? I don’t.

    As with anything, we need to band together and complain to anyone that will listen, one voice will go unnoticed, complain to the BBC, your local news channels, local papers, Radio….anything, the more we can get out there the better, if the owner of this site doesn’t mind add this site address into any letters we send to the media groups, they themselves can look at what we have to go through.

    I had none of this to get awarded my DLA, both at higher rate and together they add up to more financially per week than E&SA, they contacted my GP and Consultant and that was enough for them to accept my condition does affect my everyday life.

    None of us just woke up one morning and thought “you know what, I don’t want to work, I want to claim”

    I don’t know about the rest, but I’m fed up of being treated like I’m making a fraudulent claiming, I worked and paid into it so I am entitled to it.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 14, 2010 @ 3:21 pm

  224. My sentiment precisely
    Why would i fight for £53 when I can get £79 without a fight?
    Its not that I dont want to work I have trouble remembering things and that pisses employers off
    not to mention my partner

    Comment by Kenn — June 14, 2010 @ 3:52 pm

  225. I want to work, but not at the jeopardy of my health, I have two small children to think of, I’m already losing my property through not being able to work so my condition has cost me their future security, I’m sure they’d rather that than me get worse though, once the Dr’s have my condition under control and they tell me I’m fine to work, I will look for work, they’ve already said my physical strength may not return as lung damage is sometimes not reversible, I enrolled on to a college course to retrain in a field that I could do so I can get a job only to find that if I do that then I may lose benefits??? what kind of messed up system penalises the sick and disabled and those that want to train to get a job and off benefits and rewards and protects those that want to sit on benefits.

    I’m not having a dig at anyone who has a genuine reason for not working, it’s the few that play the system I dig at, I personally know of them and I have a few heated words with one because she can’t see the problem with ill people working to pay taxes for her to stay at home, she openly admits that she’ll never work again because she doesn’t like it and she’s better off claiming, free prescriptions, dentist, housing, council tax and thinks anyone that works is a fool.

    As for my future job prospects, what employer is going to look at someone with an on going condition at the moment, time off for hospital appointments, doctors, blood test plus days when I just wouldn’t be able to do it. Some days I have are good, I can walk about 50 metres before having to stop, other’s are not so good I can walk about 4 metres before I get dizzy and I’m gasping for breath, not to mention the restrictions I have at the moment, avoid dust, avoid any signs of infection, avoid any physical exertion, can’t work alone as I have about 3 episodes per day when I start to choke for no reason, my consultant said this is down to any sputum there might be may enter the lung and because of the damage in my lungs it blocks them as there is no room so to speak, where as a healthy lung has plenty of room to accommodate.

    Why is it that no one who claims before Oct 2008 is being assessed?, I read on a site that the DWP “plan to get round to these claimants around 2012″, I was claiming for 7 weeks before I got my letter

    Comment by Anonymous — June 14, 2010 @ 4:21 pm

  226. Wow a whole 7 weeks I was on income support and dla I was advised by the Jobcentre that I should apply for ESA as I had been signed off sick I got one week of ESA and then an appointment We too are losing our house. Due to being unfit to work
    and that exasebated things as it causes more worry and then more stress. and that leads to more seizures.
    I too know someone She has two kids gets FIS or whatever it is called these days free this free that she has just bought a new car with cash she has stashed away she gets her rent paid in full she gets Working Tax Credits and still works 20 hours a week she lives like a feking queen not to mention two hols abroa every year.
    I was told today that I should go down to the Jobcentre and ask for a “Crisis Loan” I dont want a fucking LOAN I want what is mine and I should not have to beg for it next to all the Druggies and Alkies

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 14, 2010 @ 4:57 pm

  227. couldn’t agree more, sometimes I think I should have said I like to drink and take drugs instead of proving that I was genuinely ill, probably would’ve got more support and treated better.

    My partner and I applied for a housing association (a little off topic I know), provided all the documents about possession order etc, proof of medical condition, everything, we got turned down as “we are not classed as a priority case” we appealed then we got turned down as “they have no properties available” then I find out the same association gave a 20 year old girl a two bedroomed house two weeks after her first application, 5 weeks after my first application, because she was 6 weeks pregnant, she got pregnant because she was being hassled to get a job, my mom knows her, I went mad, called up the association had a go on the phone, got no where but I needed to do it, asked them how a single girl who hasn’t had a baby yet is more of a priority than someone with a serious illness who is being made homeless and has two children now, their reply….”we cannot go into another persons application with you”

    get this too, my mom is disabled, she can just about walk with sticks, she got one of them purpose built properties for people with physical disabilities as her old property wasn’t suitable, kept falling down stairs etc, she asked for a grant or loan to carpet her new property when she moved in, they said no to both, then she found out that same girl who got the house got a £2500 “community care grant” so now my mom’s feeling it too, she couldn’t quite believe what I was having to do to get what I’m entitled too but now she can.

    The world’s a mad place, well, Britain is anyway!!!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 14, 2010 @ 5:15 pm

  228. Here is a little legale thing I found whilst searching the net “Hurt Feelings” can be deemed to be a Injury ie becuse you may have been treated unfairly and thus caused anguish you may be entitles to sue ATOS / DWP for personal injury http://www.thompsons.law.co.uk/ltext/l0200004.htm
    whilst this was used in an employment tribunal and also again in a case against East Yorkshire constablary (in a case of wrongful arrest) it does give a prima fase whereby it is proven that feeling can be hurt and thus the person suffers a personal Injury
    I will be looking in to this some more and keep you all posted.

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 14, 2010 @ 5:17 pm

  229. PS skuz the typos in most of my posts my finger dont always do as I ask them too

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 14, 2010 @ 5:18 pm

  230. Ken Ive said it before, we would be treated better if we were a street junkies or alcoholics.

    Now a question regarding the phone call off the DWP, I hope somepone can advise. The womans exact words were – “the decision maker has not made a decision” Then less than a minute later she said “The doctors have failed you”
    What does she mean? Im worried she means my own doctors!!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 14, 2010 @ 5:40 pm

  231. I once had an assessment by an alleged Doctor who failed me before the decision maker had a chance. The DM simply agreed with the alleged Doctor whos decision was overturned at tribunal months later and they had to pay me loads back. This puts the “I dont make the decision on your benefits, Thats down to the decision maker” statement to bed doesnt it! I am sick to death of hearing that one trotted out, it just goes to show that these people are lying to us through thier teethand just prolong our agony by retrospectively stopping our benefits and putting us in a position where we have no other option than to claim another type of pittance forom the state. Tha mind boggles, anyway on to your statement. Do you have the name of the person you spoke to? what right has she to discuss your report with you over the telephone? do you even have a copy of the report to dispute?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 14, 2010 @ 5:51 pm

  232. Aye they failed us all by the sound of it Have you contacted ATOS?
    If not that might be a good start
    Also the imformation you want is this
    First The Doctor/Nurses Name and Registration Details
    Second you want a copy of the report that Atos have sent to the DWP
    Third a copy of the DWP Fitness for work scoresheet
    after you have all that then you can move on with you complaint and appeal
    BTW to AJ where is my job and where do I know you from?

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 14, 2010 @ 5:54 pm

  233. I dont have the report yet, Ive been pestering them for a while for it and she rang today to say she had asked atos to fax it and she would post it to me. I assume shes a supervisor cos she rang specifically to apologise about the whole thing, she mentioned the email complaint I sent in to them about the medical and the fact Id been waiting for my report. I didnt get her name I was too upset I never thought. I was reading a site earlier Ill see if I can find it again it tells you about the atos examiner advising the DWP…
    Im worried now about this, it was a nurse who did my assessment not a doctor so how can the doctors fail me?

    Comment by Anonymous — June 14, 2010 @ 6:04 pm

  234. OK anonymous, you have my attention. You have a god point there, one that has been said many times in the past, I too think it is time for us to stand up and be counted. Here’s a challenge then, why dont you write a standard letter we can all use to send to our M.P.’s, T.V companies, news channels, radio talk/phone in shows etc. Make it short and straight to the point, mention this site if you like and send it to me. I will post it and if anyone has any suggestions which may add to its missive they can comment. Once we have the template we can all print it off and post it that should make life a lot simpler for those of us who have difficulty in expressing themselves by, writing, typing or otherwise. Give it a go and we will see where it leads. I throw down my gauntlet, dare you pick it up?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 14, 2010 @ 6:04 pm

  235. Which anon lol theres a few of us

    Comment by Anonymous — June 14, 2010 @ 6:07 pm

  236. Your Name
    First Line Of Address
    Town
    County
    Postcode
    Telephone Number
    Email

    To whom it may concern
    I am a disabled person living in the UK I have a continual condition that makes me unfit for work, and has done so since 00/00/0000. My condition is……………………….
    Which affects me in the following ways…………………………………………………………………………….
    I am also on the following medication……………………………………………………………………………….
    In my effort to make a legitimate claim for ESA, I underwent a Fitness for Work Medical.
    This was conducted by (doctor/nurses name) who is employed by ATOS Medical Services.
    At (the name and address of the examination centre you attended)
    The examination was both flawed in its accuracy and in the way that it was carried out. I am happy to have my GP/Specialist contacted to verify my statement. And it is that light that I wish to challenge the findings of the ATOS medical report, produced for and on behalf of the DWP.
    Further to the medical I challenge specifically the finding that have removed from me the right to receive ESA (Next list all the parts of the ATOS Medical report that you disagree with)

    The incorrect findings of this medical have caused me both genuine hardship and have left me feeling like a third class citizen. And has also left me feeling deeply distress and this has had a direct bearing on my life, leaving me an emotional wreck

    I ask you to look into this matter with the most urgency so as to at the very least allow me as a disabled person to have what remains of personal dignity as seems to be afforded to the able bodied

    Your Name

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 14, 2010 @ 6:28 pm

  237. lol, ok, I’ll pick up the gauntlet you’ve so kindly thrown down at me, it may take me a couple of days though as I have a few hospital appointments this week, but I will do it, I’m not that much of an academic but I’ll give it a go.

    To remain not so anonymous, I’ll call myself J.R. to break the informalities so to speak, so hello dwp.

    Here’s some interesting reading for those that haven’t read it yet: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/joepublic/2010/mar/23/employment-support-allowance-incapacity-benefit

    it also contains a point of contact for someone at a national newspaper

    Comment by J.R. — June 14, 2010 @ 6:40 pm

  238. ****I’ve just done this very quick as I may not be able to do any more for a couple of days, so just wanted some feed back as to how you think it reads and any other constructive comments..

    *************************************************************************************************************

    RE: UNFAIR MEDICAL ASSESSMENTS BY ATOS HEALTHCARE ON BEHALF OF D.W.P

    Dear sir/madam,

    I write to you to highlight the unfair/unfit medical assessments that I and many other genuinely

    ill and disabled people are having to endure to “prove” we have medical reasons for not being able to work.

    The assessments are carried out by what ATOS and the D.W.P reffer to as “Healthcare Proffesionals” this terminology loophole is allowing a company to get away with using staff that are not medically trained in certain fields to carry out assessments, i.e. Midwives assessing people with Mental Health issues, Physiotherapist assessing other illnesses like organ disease etc, a persons own G.P or Consultants opinions or diagnosis is hardly ever sort after and when it is they are authorised by the government to disagree with the qualified persons opinions and rule the opposite.

    As a result of these assessments 69% of assessments find the person being assessed as “fit for work”, more times than not the persons limitations are not taken into consideration or even looked into, the assessments are carried out in a way to trip up the person making the claim, answers to questions asked are dismissed or interpreted to suit the assessors required result which is ultimately to deem the person as fit for work regardless of their predicament.

    These assessments are adding untold amounts of stress on people who are already in situations that weigh heavily on their shoulders, instead of offering support to these people, which the state benefit system was designed for by Churchill, it is penalising people whos situations have come about through no fault of their own.

    Please visit the blogs that can be found at http://www.dwpexamination.wordpress.com to see more of the experiences people are having at the hands of these draconian assessments/assessors

    Comment by J.R. — June 14, 2010 @ 7:17 pm

  239. Can we not create a forum on here? Would be easier than having to go right down the page and everything would be easier to find :)

    Comment by Anonymous — June 14, 2010 @ 7:39 pm

  240. Thats great JR, only thing Im not sure about it the tripping up part, they might think if theres nothing to be tripped up with it cant be done… please dont think im disagreeing with it as I know exactly what youre saying, what Im doing is trying to look at it from an outsiders view, someone who hasnt had the experience of these idiots… what about “trick questions”? or something along those lines?

    Comment by Anonymous — June 14, 2010 @ 7:48 pm

  241. Thats a great start JR, whilst having no desire to enter in to any kind of polemics regarding OLD WINNIE BOY, how about sticking in designed by ”ANEURIN BEVAN” who was new minister for health in 1945, under clement attlee’s labour Government.

    PS…Churchill didn’t give a toss about a welfare state or whether one was ill or not, thats the real reason he lost the election, he even left the sick and ill on the beaches of Dunkirk.

    Comment by David — June 14, 2010 @ 8:11 pm

  242. Thanks for the comment, I will amend the letter a little more and put it up again, as I said, all comments and additional info would be great, we’ve all had our own experiences of these people so between us have the greater power

    Comment by J.R. — June 14, 2010 @ 9:45 pm

  243. I was reading a site earlier Ill see if I can find it again it tells you about the atos examiner advising the DWP…

    Isn’t the HCP there to write a report and not advise? They do not do the assessment to diagnose or treat your illness, so the booklet AL1C says on page 2, so if they are openly saying to the decision maker that someone is fit for work then shouldn’t this be included in the medical report or do they conveniently remove that from the printed copy? In my opinion 1 thing the HCP should not be allowed to do is add to the report their opinions persuading decision makers to come to a decision that some one is fit for work by flicking through for notes added by the HCP these nots could simply be something like saying the customer (or whatever they want to call us now) shows no signs of back pain. If you sleep through just about the whole interrogation, like I did :-) then how would they tell if someone was in pain.

    I have sometimes thought of grabbing the couple of bottles of whiskey and the few other bottles of spirits, which I have had for over 2 years and just knocking them back then turning up at a tribunal totally drunk if they say I am fit for work, it was less than 10 years ago that I used to do just that regularly and could knock back 3 bottles of spirits (just over 2 litres) and not feel drunk, did I claim NO! because I had to care for someone in a wheelchair at the time. The more I feel like I am trapped in the flat the more it makes me want to go on-line and order a load of decent whiskey and just do it.

    It also seems that it isn’t a clear head you need to beat ATOS but a body full of alcohol and being nearly unable to walk because of the alcohol is more use than been nearly unable to walk because of an illness.

    Comment by Dean — June 14, 2010 @ 9:53 pm

  244. This carry on is enough to drive you to drink Dean!

    Ive a feeling Im being lied to the more i think about it the weirder it sounds,
    I told the lady who rang me today about the letter from the deductions team, and I said someone somewhere has made the decision and nobody will tell me whats going on. She said the decision maker hadnt made a decision, then seconds later said the “doctors have failed you”
    If thats true then how did the deductions team find out about it to send me that letter? The doctors wouldnt send the information of their decision to the deductions team and nobody else!
    I think its a cover up, they cocked up, that letter from the deductions team got to me before the decision has, nobody would tell me anything when I rang and they only rang me with an apology cos Ive been digging. Would I be doing the right thing ringing tomorrow and asking for what was said to be sent in writing? What do I do now? Does it sound like a cover up?

    Comment by Anonymous — June 14, 2010 @ 10:40 pm

  245. Hello anon.

    The reason they know the doctor has failed you is because the report is e-mailed over from ATOS virtually on the spot and they can see it on the screen, but the DM hasn’t had time to look at it, thats why they cant send the report, because they dont have it on paper yet, well thats a supposition, and god only knows how their minds work, but since its going to be a crock of…well refuting it will be easy.

    I refuted my medical report on the GL 24 form, and for the DM to allow an appeal to the tribunal will be laughable, i’m still waiting for an answer, it’s been three weeks now, and will be interesting to see what their next move is.

    Anyway i have been a busy beaver the last hour, and come up with a template letter myself, not perfect and can be improved with some suggestions, left it on my office.org and can type it out here tomorrow when i have a spare half hour if anyones interested in having a look.

    Comment by David — June 14, 2010 @ 11:49 pm

  246. I too am awaiting the deccission of The DM as I have appealed on GL24 and on the phone yesterday the lady from the DWP said “it does seem rather odd that an epileptic has scored nothing under fits and blackouts sevtion” No shit man!!! odd its a fecking joke

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 15, 2010 @ 5:02 am

  247. Bravo, give it a whirl, I am sure the challenge will also be taken up by others. I will publish attempts by anyone actually, that will make it more interesting and give us a wider selection to choose form. Who knows, maybe we could have our own little version of ATOS factor. Thanks.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 15, 2010 @ 7:43 am

  248. The anonymous who recieved my reply via thier in tray lol!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 15, 2010 @ 7:44 am

  249. An excellent offering, anyone else like to comment or make additions subtractions? It all helps.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 15, 2010 @ 7:46 am

  250. Good idea, wish I had the technical knowhow, I have never thought of it that way. Any ideas where I can get a free forum page from?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 15, 2010 @ 7:47 am

  251. This is what we want.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 15, 2010 @ 7:47 am

  252. I feel your frustration there my friend, if you have beaten the bottle, please dont nbe tempted to go back.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 15, 2010 @ 7:50 am

  253. Have you been keeping notes of your contact with the DWP and ATOS?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 15, 2010 @ 7:55 am

  254. Im not very technical but dwpexamination but these are easy and free

    http://www.myfreeforum.org/

    Comment by Anonymous — June 15, 2010 @ 7:56 am

  255. I am, please post it

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 15, 2010 @ 7:56 am

  256. Unbvelievable, isnt it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 15, 2010 @ 7:59 am

  257. Do you want me to create a forum and maybe a couple of you can be mods? Or does someone want to create one?

    Comment by Anonymous — June 15, 2010 @ 8:00 am

  258. Hi Kenn, do you want me to publish your PM re the template?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 15, 2010 @ 8:00 am

  259. (dwp im the one who sent you the mail that I sent to my MP and cpomplained about the medical) Ive not made notes of my communication with them but I should have the dates and times I rang them from my daughters phone, Im going to ring them again this morning when she comes down and ask for what the lady told me yesterday in writing (about the doctors failing me) It was a nurse who did my assessment so how could it be the doctors that failed me? Unless doctors look at the report after the assessment? Let me know about that forum, this one is great but it would also be nice to have somewhere compact for messages :)

    Comment by Anonymous — June 15, 2010 @ 8:08 am

  260. PS
    I still have the formal complaint I sent by email, that was why they rang me yesterday, how convenient to reply by phone!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 15, 2010 @ 8:10 am

  261. Oh and guess what! I just remembered my daughter took my photo outside the assessment center and I still had my pyjama top on that Id slept in and a pair of old tracky bottoms! Let them say I was dressed smart!! Im going to use everything Ive got and if they try and say the photo could have been taken at any time Ill tell them to check the CCTV!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 15, 2010 @ 8:26 am

  262. Hi there yes you can publish any document is send to you or post here I know everything I stated here is 100% truthfull unlike the Atos Dr

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 15, 2010 @ 9:15 am

  263. Changed a couple of things and added some, anyone else gonna post any letters they have used

    *************************************************************************************************************

    RE: UNFAIR MEDICAL ASSESSMENTS BY ATOS HEALTHCARE ON BEHALF OF D.W.P

    Dear sir/madam,

    I write to you to highlight the unfair/unfit medical assessments that I and many other genuinely ill and disabled people have to endure to “prove” we have medical reasons for not being able to work.

    The assessments are carried out by what ATOS and the D.W.P refer to as “Healthcare Professionals” this terminology loophole is allowing a company to get away with using staff that are not medically trained in certain fields to carry out assessments, i.e. Midwives assessing people with Mental Health issues, Physiotherapist assessing other illnesses like organ disease etc, a person’s own G.P or Consultants opinions or diagnosis is hardly ever sort after and when it is they are authorised by the government to disagree with the qualified persons opinions and rule the opposite.

    As a result of these assessments 69% of assessments find the person being assessed as “fit for work”, more times than not a persons limitations are not taken into consideration or even looked into, the assessments are carried out in such a way that they do not accommodate or cover the persons ailment, answers to questions asked are dismissed or interpreted to suit the assessors required result which is ultimately to deem the person as fit for work regardless of their predicament.

    People who suffer from Epilepsy, who suffer regular seizures are often deemed as having no altered state of consciousness and are therefore found “fit for work” the list of examples is endless, many of the people affected have already been registered as Disabled by the D.W.P, there is no assessment of a person’s abilities to qualify for Disability Living Allowance, the D.W.P contact the persons G.P or Consultant for their opinion and then award from that, this benefit coupled with Mobility Allowance can often mean more financially than Employment and Support Allowance yet the ill and disabled are forced to fight to get what we are entitled to.

    These assessments are adding untold amounts of stress on people who are already in situations that weigh heavily on their shoulders, instead of offering support to these people, which the state benefit system was originally introduced for, it is penalising people whose situations have come about through no fault of their own.

    I encourage you to view the many blogs regarding these assessments; they can be found at http://www.dwpexamination.wordpress.com.

    Comment by J.R. — June 15, 2010 @ 12:30 pm

  264. I love it! A huge pat on the back for you! I will post something myself later on, just need to edit it a bit.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 15, 2010 @ 12:44 pm

  265. Regarding ATOS assessment reports. (Unfit for purpose) DRAFT.

    Dear Sir/Madam.

    In 2005, ATOS origin, formally SEMA, now called ATOS healthcare, won the contract from the department of work and pensions, to carry out medical assessments on anyone who is in receipt of disability benefits, this is a contract worth £500 million of taxpayers money spread over seven years, the deal will expire in 2012.

    The supposed purpose of the deal between ATOS and the DWP was to ensure people who are ill or disabled receive all the support they need to help them in to work, via the new benefit called employment and support allowance, which most disabled people welcomed, provided the assessments were carried out fairly and without discrimination.

    Sadly this has not been the case, and due to lack of publicity and weak opposition, plus lack of foresight, the ATOS MALPRACTICE wasn’t obvious at first, but it became apparent within a month or two at least from October 2008 right up to the present date, that fabricated and misleading reports have been the order of the day, and it seems there is now overwhelming evidence that ATOS have seriously abused their contract with the DWP.
    Regarding said contract as a money making scheme with a mandate to exploit people with major health problems, with the full wholehearted approval of the previous Government.

    And exploiting it they are, ruthlessly and without mercy, using false and fabricated medical reports which they pass to the DWP decision makers, and it seems on the basis of that one concocted medical assessment report from ATOS a seriously ill persons life hangs in the balance, any patients consultants or GPs reports are paid lip service too, then disgarded.

    Disabled and seriously ill people through no fault of their own are being thrown on to Job seekers allowance, or even worse forced and/or bullied in to dropping out of the system with no means of subsistence for the sake of Government targets and figure manipulation, with the added small bonus of saving a paltry dollar.

    This is causing unacceptable suffering for thousands and thousands of seriously ill people the length and breadth of Britain, whose only recourse is a tribunal appeal which can take as much as six months or more to be heard, and while waiting for the appeal having to live on severly reduced benefits.

    Time after time these poor medical assessments carried out by ATOS are being overturned at the appeal tribunal in favour of the appellent, and costing the taxpayer an absolute fortune.

    But you may ask, where is the actual proof ? where is the evidence ?. I can tell you, i speak from personal experience, but dont take my word for it, ask any citizens advice officer, any benefits welfare rights officer, and they will supply you with all the horror storys your stomach can take.

    And if that doesn’t satisfy, then there’s the thousands of complaints, each with their own nightmare horror story to tell, at the hands of ATOS that have, and are, flooding in to the internet on websites like (welcome to my DWP examination) (Ukbix) (whywaitforever.com) (benefits and work) and dozens of others.

    After looking at these sites over the last couple of months or so, i can honestly say iv’e never seen so many adverse comments regarding any nominal professional organisation in my life, it’s absolutley shocking.
    According to the recently published Scottish citizens advice ”Atos assessment unfit for purpose report”.
    They truly are unfit for purpose.

    Thought i would bring this criminal system to your attention, and end with a paraphrased quote from NYE BEVAN ”No society can call itself civilised if a sick person is denied aid because of lack of means”

    Yours Faithfully Joe Bloggs and co.

    Comment by David — June 15, 2010 @ 1:12 pm

  266. As you can see, its difficult to keep it short, because there is so much to say, all constructive critisism is welcome, anyway my backs flipping killing me now, and i’m off for a cup o tea.

    Cheers all from Joe Bloggs.

    Comment by David — June 15, 2010 @ 1:21 pm

  267. That’s a piece of art David…..you sure you’re not David Cameron, you do realise we can’t approve your expenses claims with that don’t ya?….lol

    Comment by J.R. — June 15, 2010 @ 1:23 pm

  268. Hey am JOE BLOGGS from now on, i do not wish to be identified….HA HA HA.

    Comment by David — June 15, 2010 @ 1:37 pm

  269. Hey JB if you can make yourself a cuppa why arent you working fourty hours a week??

    Excellent work, and more polite than I would have written it.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 15, 2010 @ 2:13 pm

  270. HI EVERYONE.

    And have some great news to report, firstly an hour ago i recieved an e-mail from the benefits and works website, informing all recipients that the DWP are being investigated by the EQUALITIES AND HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION (EHRC) If you wish to e-mail them at disabilityharrasmentfi@equalityhumanrights.com ( YES THERE IS AN fi IN THERE) and complain about DWP harrasment, then feel free to do so, i have just done so with a dig at ATOS complicity in there as well.

    Secondly the DWP are in turmoil at the moment in regard to the new fit notes, GPs are not playing ball, and complying with DWP wishes, apparently this is causing the DWP all sorts of problems.

    Well what do they expect, they can stick their flipping sick notes..!!

    Comment by David — June 15, 2010 @ 10:16 pm

  271. That is the best news I have had all month David, as since my daughter filled in the forms for ESA and put both my home and mobile number in the phone contact boxes, since the interrogation I have had phone calls to the home phone where the number is displayed the first time the last one today is from NORWICH followed by calls either saying unavailable (for the number) or INTERNATIONAL, I have no intention of answering them as I know all the numbers of people I would wish to speak on the phone to, if the medication allows it, which it normally doesn’t.

    Maybe it is time to put extra pressure on the DWP by asking for our ATOS interrogation in writing that gives them 40 days as it will be a subject access request. I asked my daughter to post one for me but she refused as she has already phoned them on my behalf :-(

    Comment by Dean — June 15, 2010 @ 10:40 pm

  272. Hi Dean.

    NAH dont answer them, and make them sweat for their blood money.

    I hope the others come on line soon and get e-mailing that address with strong complaints to the equalities commission, the DWP mob along with their partners in crime ATOS have ridden roughshod over people for long enough, time it was put to the sword.

    By the way i now wish to be addressed by my new name of JOE BLOGS, someone called JR is getting me mixed up with that twit David Cameron and i found it very hurtful. HA HA HA.

    Comment by David — June 15, 2010 @ 11:03 pm

  273. Well done, making records of conversations should now be your standard method of operation with the DWP and ATOS. Go to the assessing ATOS page and print off the contact sheet at the end of the article. You will start to feel better and like you are fighting back when you hear the audible gulp as you tell them you are making notes. Keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 16, 2010 @ 7:36 am

  274. Its thier S.O.P. tell them to speak slowly as you are making notes, ask for thoier name etc. You can almost here them cringe.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 16, 2010 @ 7:37 am

  275. Thats the game.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 16, 2010 @ 7:37 am

  276. It was the letter you wrote to ATOS /DWP Kenn, you know the template. Its a really good job and I think the more templates we have the better. It means we have a choice of basic letter of complaint and dont have to overcome the barriers writing back to ATOS or the DWP presents, especially when we are on the back foot after one of thier assaults. Thanks again

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 16, 2010 @ 7:39 am

  277. Now were cooking with gas, well done.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 16, 2010 @ 7:41 am

  278. I agree

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 16, 2010 @ 7:41 am

  279. Bravo “D” Bravo, I knew you would rise to the challenge.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 16, 2010 @ 7:44 am

  280. Its short enough, and to the point

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 16, 2010 @ 7:45 am

  281. Morning Joe.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 16, 2010 @ 7:49 am

  282. Hi all.

    Was just reading an article in the (benefits and works website) concerning decision makers procedures et al, and it seems there is a mole in the DWP feeding information to the above site, going by the handle ”Deep Throat” (sic) Says ESA is nonsense but they can’t speak out for fear of the sack.

    Cheers Joe Blogs.

    Comment by David — June 16, 2010 @ 7:49 am

  283. Glad my template was of some use to you all
    we cound do with some help from the “Mole” inside the DWP
    get them to tell us how they work out the score sheets and use that against them

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 16, 2010 @ 8:01 am

  284. Hi Kenn
    Sorry i did’nt get back to you computers been playing up. The job for you was to let me know how to contact panorama as i was having problems accessing some websites. (Hope my attempt at humour did not offend you)

    As to the comment that people who claimed before 2008 don’t get assessed i have been claiming since 2003 and have been assessed regularly, at first assessments were carried out at jobcentres and doctors listened to what you said, no trick questions. In 2008 i first encountered Atos failed with 0 points, awarded 23 points at tribunal. Wish i had complained then, but i was just relieved at getting benefit reinstated.

    Just had a phone call from customer services at DWP who are handling my complaint. they admitted that the decision maker only uses the evidence from Atos to decide on your entitlement to benefit, i have asked for written conformation of this. If this is the case why bother wasting time filling in IB50 or ESA50 forms.

    Comment by A.J. — June 16, 2010 @ 8:10 am

  285. I am on it now, my Son in law says its a doddle, whilst trying to stifle a laugh. Makes me feel a right prat that does. But never mind I can always put it down to being old. Its a work on progress anon but thank you anyway.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 16, 2010 @ 8:11 am

  286. Copy of email sent to

    Dear Sir/Madam

    I have had epilepsy for almost 30 years as a result of a fall.
    I was recently asked to attend a Fitness for work Medical Examination, carried out by
    Dr Ranjan Chowdhary.
    Firstly he never carried out a full examination as he claimed to have done.
    Secondly He has lied continually in his report
    He did not even know what my medication was or what it was for
    He did not know Gabapentin was for my epilepsy
    He did not know what Arcoxia was or what it was for
    He did not know what the normal dosage for CoCodamol was or for that matter what the maximum dosage was
    His medical report was flawed from start to finish.
    I am unfortunate enough to suffer from the following conditions
    Epilepsy
    Arthritis
    Ataxia
    Amnesia
    In his report to the DWP he has stated my conditions as Epilepsy, Osteoarthritis.
    Even that is wrong I have Rheumatoid Arthritis
    I continually suffer from “Away Seizures” and also have full blown epileptic seizures this is well documented in my medical notes.
    Even with his flawed report which states that I have memory loss and blackouts
    on the final score sheet that the DWP use I have still managed to score ZERO under fits blackouts and dizzy spells and also Zero under memory and concentration.
    Not to mention Zero under EVERY section on this Fitness to work score card.
    I believe that this is some form of cynical move between the DWP and ATOS Medical to achieve targeted results in a Lazarus syndrome by a laying on of hands and miraculously healing the sick and dead.
    for my part I have a Carer due to my condition (If as they claim I am fit for work does my carer then have to be working alongside me? this is wrong)
    I have been left feeling degraded and upset and many times now whilst talking to the DWP left crying during and at the end of the conversation, which usually goes something like this.
    “Hi my name is Kenn Gordon and I would like to know how the decision over my ability to work has been reached by your assessor”
    We then go through the lengthy security checks to make sure I am who I say I am.
    Their reply “I am sorry I can’t give you that information”
    “Why not”
    “I don’t have that information” come their reply
    “Who does then?”
    “The decision maker does”
    Can you put me through to them please?”
    (Lengthy pause)
    “I am sorry I can’t do that if you put your concerns in writing we will look at it”
    “Why can’t I complain over the phone you know who I am as you have just done a security check?”
    That is not our policy

    All this is so stressful and makes me feel sick and degraded so I hang up the phone and when I feel well enough I write a letter and wait for it to filter its way to some department or other.
    A week has passed and not even a phone call from the DWP
    As a disabled person I seem to be treated with less respect than an able bodied person by the DWP and ATOS and surely the rewording of the contract between the DWP and ATOS from Doctor to Medical Professional who can then over rule any medical decision by even senior consultant neurologists ( that is unreal that is like saying a Tea boy in a Lawyer’s office can overrule a decision by the Law courts) This would not happen to any other section of our society ergo “We the sick and disabled are being discriminated against”

    copy of letter sent to human rights folks

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 16, 2010 @ 8:42 am

  287. OK Just recieved a response from the GMC regarding Dr Ranjan Chowdhary they say that unless the Doctor has “Unreasonably or Improperly in preparing a medical report”
    then they dont see a problem
    and they see no grounds to take any forther action……………
    What a crock of shit
    (lets all close ranks) the GMC are a toothless tiger)
    My reply is below sent just now
    Ok thank you for your reply

    You say you cant act unless the Doctor has acted “Unreasonably or his fitness to practice might be impared”

    The doctor has indeed acted unreasonably

    First He never carried out the full examination that he claimed to have done

    Second he did not even know the basic medications that i was on or for that matter the dossage

    Second he has deliberatly lied on a Medical doccument which in turn is used to make a judgement on my income from the DWP to lie on this doccument is ilegal and imoral

    This is just what this doctor has done and according to his medical report

    I NO LONGER HAVE epileptic seizures

    I no longer have Ataxia

    I no Longer have Amnesia

    I no longer have pain n my joints

    I have had epilepsy for some 30 years and by some Lazarus effect I am now cured and fit for work?????

    He has overruled not one but TWO consultan Neurologists and my family doctors for 30 years in a Flawed and incomplete examination

    HOW dare you state that he has not acted improperly

    HE LIED Repeatedly in his report

    There is Video eviance from the front Foyer which will clearly show I was wearing Sandles without socks (yet according to his report I had no problem in tying my SHOELACES)

    I had a spinal injury 30 years ago and he claimed to have checked my spine and neck (HE DID NOT)

    He claimed to have checked lots of things he did not MY CARER WAS IN THE ROOM she can and will give evidence.

    “when a Dr KNOWINGLY Gives false imformation on a legal document he is GUILTY of Malpractice

    Please can you send me a copy of your investigation into this matter

    including copies of all evidance provided by either Dr Chowdhary or the GMC that shows that my claim against this man is either false in any way or inaccurate

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 16, 2010 @ 9:08 am

  288. Thats a great personal letter kenn and anyone reading it, who doesn’t get it’s message is seriously short of brain cells to rub together.

    As for the mole stuff, well it’s sad but that person is never going to come out and unmask themself, its instant sacking on the spot.

    The DWP is a yes sir no sir environment, with a nasty bullying culture, where fear and intimadation is endemic, most DWP workers are not made of the ”RIGHT STUFF” i’m afraid to say.

    Cheers from Joe Blogs.

    (PS) Hey you dont suppose the DWP/ATOS mob will be reading my comments do you ? i’m awfa scared and I fear they may cut my money from zero back to zero. HA HA HA HA.

    Comment by David — June 16, 2010 @ 9:23 am

  289. Just called DWP and asked for all the doccumentation as to how they reached their decission
    I also asked for the Video taken from the Reception camera which will show that I wore sandles and not shoes with laces (he claimes that I was able to tie my shoelaces up during the medical
    I also asked for a copy to be sent to my local MP at the House of Commons
    They have reinstated my ESA as of this morning
    and say “We are looking into how the deccision was reached by the DM”
    I also stated that my Dr and my consultant will both be writing letters to them stating my conditions
    and that they are both amazed by the fact that suddenly during the ATOS medical I was CURED of having fits and seizures

    I will keep you all posted on any further developments

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 16, 2010 @ 9:48 am

  290. I got my report. And the DM letter.
    Epilepsy, psoriatic arthritis, genital psoriasis, depression, hypothyroidism = 0 points

    Comment by Anonymous — June 16, 2010 @ 10:11 am

  291. Great stuff kenn, the pressure at the top echelons of the DWP at the moment must be at least approaching unbearable, as each and every website, newspaper, MP, welfare rights officer are becoming more and more aware of this ATOS/DWP malpractice with each passing day.

    It wont be long now, and perhaps a modern ”nurenberg” can be set up, to bring these crimanals to justice.

    Regards from Joe Blogs.

    Comment by David — June 16, 2010 @ 10:21 am

  292. All we need now is a Human wrights layer with some BALLS
    I am not racist by any stretch of the imagination but here is a simple and honest way for the system to work and not run out of funds
    No person unless a british citizen should be allowed to claim benifit for which he she and from whatever country they come from unless he/she has worked for at least 2 years in this country therby paying N.I. contributions
    They Idea that someone can come to this country and take benifits for which they have not paid for is abhorant to me
    lets face it NI contribututions are exactly that National INSURANCE and if you dont pay into insurance then you cant claim it
    That is like driving a car without insurance having a smash and expecting others to pay to get it fixed. No other insurance compamy would do it so why does the DWP
    It is a ridiculas flaw in the system which the government shouyld Fix before attacking the less fortunate people of its own society.
    Simple rule like in Australia
    You dont have a job to go to you cant live in the country living of its benifits
    To gain benifits you must work at least 2 years
    You must NOt get priorty over other unemployed UK Nationals in Housing
    This would save the country Millions and also would give UK National a better chance at any employment that is out there
    WHERE there is a SKILL shortage in this country then Forign nationals should be encouraged to fill those positions and help shopuld be given to them in finding suitable housing etc

    Previously I used to work as a Dental Laboratory Manager and I can tell you that there is a shortage of UK Dental Technicians and Dentists
    I worked very happily with Dentists from Romaina, India, Pakistan, Iran, Hungary Palestine, and England
    I worked with and have made many freinds in the dental Lab who were from Czech Republic, Romainia, Portugal, Brazil, South Africa and England.
    They are all good friends to me and I value thier friendship and they also agree that the way the system is at the moment there is no way that the Ecconnomy can support such a large drain on its Benifit resourses not to ment Medical and Dental resourses.

    So DWP Look at where the money has gone in the last 10 – 20 years

    When I last visited the Jobcentre here in boston more than half the people claiming benifits there were eastern european

    Do these comments make me racist If so then iI am sorry for any offence but I am just stating facts without malice.

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 16, 2010 @ 10:38 am

  293. You raised some salient points, most of these immigrants are allowed in as cheap labour though, one could euphemisticaly call them unfortunates, the others are getting jobs with ATOS, and if coming here is so important to them, GOD only knows what it must be like back in their own country.

    But i’m not under any illusions, this country is absolutely swimming with money, and held by around ten% of the populace, so my solution would be a ruthless weeding out of the parasitic bastards that use loopholes to dodge tax, if this was carried out properly, the last figure i heard quoted was a return of £100 billion.
    That would help the country enormously.

    Regards from Joe Blogs.

    Comment by David — June 16, 2010 @ 12:48 pm

  294. Well if they stopped using ATOs that would save £5billion on its own

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 16, 2010 @ 12:52 pm

  295. #

    Well done, making records of conversations should now be your standard method of operation with the DWP and ATOS. Go to the assessing ATOS page and print off the contact sheet at the end of the article. You will start to feel better and like you are fighting back when you hear the audible gulp as you tell them you are making notes. Keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 16, 2010 @ 7:36 am

    Or you could only give your mobile as a contact number if it has the ability to record calls and when the person on the other end hears a beep every 5 seconds and asks what the sound is, I bet you will hear a pin drop when you say you are recording the call as you do with all incoming calls from numbers that you don’t know or are withheld or don’t show for some reason. I bet they either disconnect the call or ask you to stop recording the call.

    Comment by Dean — June 16, 2010 @ 1:48 pm

  296. When dealing with DWP/Atos ask for everything in writing, then you have everything on paper. The DWP have to do this if you request it.

    Comment by A.J. — June 16, 2010 @ 4:49 pm

  297. OAKY DOAK FOLKS.

    Got some more good news, if you want to shop up the DWP and give evidence in confidence, you can now do it…Google in ( EQUALITY AND HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION ) ( Commission call in evidence on disability-related harassment in Britain ) e-mail addresses and phone numbers seem to be available, the (EHRC) are investigating all government bodies who are not discharging their duties, and that includes the DWP.

    Criminal proceedings may follow, if found to be harassed by these people..!! they are looking for evidence now.

    Comment by David — June 16, 2010 @ 5:10 pm

  298. FROM the EHRC TERMS OF REFERENCE

    Examples of disability-related harassment, including bullying and hate crime

    The following are some examples of disability-related harassment, bullying and hate crime. This is not an exhaustive list and there may be other examples.

    * derogatory, demeaning or humiliating remarks
    * name-calling or ridicule
    * offensive or patronising language
    * insults
    * threats and intimidation
    * invasion of personal space
    * unnecessary touching
    *
    * intrusive questioning about disability
    * offensive jokes, banter
    * abusive verbal or written comments related to disability
    * offensive emails
    * cyberbullying, using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones to threaten, bully or intimidate
    * offensive graffiti
    * financial exploitation of a disabled person including taking their benefits money
    * deliberately putting aids and adaptations out of reach
    * damage to a disabled person’s property, including aids and adaptations
    * sexual abuse, rape and sexual assault
    * physical assault, ranging from lower level assaults up to murder

    At my medical interrogation the HCP, as I remember, remarked to my daughter that “it is all in his mind?” I don’t know if the HCP was referring to my back problem but if the HCP was then surely the ATOS HCP is guilty of unwanted comments about appearance or disability

    Comment by Dean — June 16, 2010 @ 7:50 pm

  299. Thank you see … line 200

    I have been to see my doctor who’s surgery is 0.4 miles from my home.

    He is disgusted with ATOS, and has written a letter my Husband/Carer is collecting today.

    ATOS are still refusing to re-schedule my appointment?

    Saying if I don’t show…my benefit ONLY ESA…DLA application pending

    Comment by Claire — June 17, 2010 @ 6:51 am

  300. will be stopped

    Comment by Claire — June 17, 2010 @ 6:52 am

  301. Hi Claire
    Don’t give in. I don’t think Atos have the right to refuse to re-schedule your appointment. Have you tried complaining about this to your local jobcentre. You have the right to have your carer attend the assessment with you, if your carear cannot attend they must re-schedule your appointment to suit both you and your carer.

    Comment by A.J. — June 17, 2010 @ 7:58 am

  302. Hi Blogers.

    A woman whose husband was so ill he couldn’t get off the floor to crawl to the phone and ask for a crisis loan, and a man whos benefits were illegally held back for months on end, and asked if they could see their way to sending on a tenner for a bite to eat.

    These are just a couple of people whose barmy requests for help DWP staff have had to deal with in the past.

    Other oddball requests for bogus help include a man whos GIRO was stolen by a corrupt DWP manager.

    A Department of Work and Pensions spokesman told the Daily Blog this morning, you continually hear these mad stories all the time, you wouldn’t believe what our staff have to put up with.
    For instance i can remember getting a time wasting call pleading for help not long ago, from some wacko whos GL 24 appeal was unfairly turned down by one of our double dealing, jive talking Decision Makers.

    It’s absolutely outrageous where do these people come from, i mean you just couldn’t make it up.

    But the spokesman added, it’s not all doom and gloom, there are inevitably times when the DWP receive some very disconcerting calls from people in genuine need, for instace i can tell you, i got a call last month from an able bodied man in the prime of his life, who wasted all his cash on the horses, it resulted in his electricity being cut off, just in the middle of watching coronation street, it was absolutely heartbreaking, not to mention extremely distressing.

    He went on,it was so disturbing and sad, some of the staff had to take the rest of the week off, one staff member is receiving counceling, another female staff member continually breaks down in tears, and one even went as far as to apply for Employment and Support Allowance.

    Just then a menacing looking senior member of security appeared and ordered us from taking any further notes.

    Your Avid Reporter Joe Blogs.

    Comment by David — June 17, 2010 @ 2:48 pm

  303. On the phone again now, Dr sent letter to both Norwich Medical Assessment Centre & Nottingham Summit House addresses. 42 mins on the re-arrangement appointments line?

    Any suggestions on who else can help me get a home assessment? See no. 200 here

    Comment by Claire — June 17, 2010 @ 3:31 pm

  304. No joy…they won’t change my appointment to home assessment.

    Comment by Claire — June 17, 2010 @ 4:39 pm

  305. The outcome of that one is going to be interesting Kenn!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 17, 2010 @ 5:23 pm

  306. Somebodys watching youuuuuuuuuu! Its true about the bullying culture in JC+ Just ask my mate Jimmy.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 17, 2010 @ 5:25 pm

  307. Looks like “Doctor” Chowdry will be seeking employment elsewhere eh?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 17, 2010 @ 5:26 pm

  308. I think it should be 5 years before you can claim, you must have a job and a sponser who is prepared to keep you if the job you came here to do ends. When the job ends the clock starts ticking and the unemployed time is not taken into account for claiming benefits, i.e. you must be employed for 5 working years.As for National Insurance dont our eurpoean neighbours drive without it anyway? Ive never met one yet but have seen loads on those awful; police programmes on TV. British citizens should have priority over foreign immigrants, I suppose by talking common sense we are all racist, except common sense isnt racism!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 17, 2010 @ 5:33 pm

  309. And they say only the decision makers have the power to stop your benefits?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 17, 2010 @ 5:47 pm

  310. I can only hope that Dr Chowdhary goes back to his other profession as an Artist

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 17, 2010 @ 6:07 pm

  311. Unfortunate is the word, many immigrants are ruthlessly exploited whilst working here. Sometimes by thier own kind, sometimes by unscrupulous employers. Youre right on the tax thing too, there are too many cases of tax fraud going unchallenged or investigated, its time the givernment attacked them and the banks.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 18, 2010 @ 6:18 am

  312. right on

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 18, 2010 @ 6:18 am

  313. Thats a good one too.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 18, 2010 @ 6:20 am

  314. I fully endorse this statement. It puts them on the back foot.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 18, 2010 @ 6:21 am

  315. Get stuck in everyone, I am.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 18, 2010 @ 6:21 am

  316. Howdy Dee Dub.

    And talking about tax we can start with the Ruperts of the world, an Australian, doesn’t live here, doesn’t pay any tax here, but this individual owns a massive media empire, one word from him dictates Britains foreign and domestic policy, and is one of the people who decided that disabled and ill people are scroungers.

    Any resistance is ruthlessly squashed a Flashman if ever there was one.

    And Blair, Brown, Cameron and co suck up to him like he was some kind of king or suzerain.

    Comment by David — June 18, 2010 @ 8:10 am

  317. Was on the phone on hold waiting for someone to answer the re-arrangement of appointment line….never got to speak to anyone. Never got to re-schedule my appointment at 14.00hrs in Norwich tomorrow the 19th June 2010?

    My Dr wrote to them on Thursday 17th?

    I have not heard a thing, now freaking.

    I have Asperger’s syndrome and not handling any of this well. I don’t go out and I have just my poor hubby to defend me… I cannot even go to my daughter’s 18th Birthday tomorrow night :(, I cannot cope with crowds, loud environments and get so upset when I am shocked into those type of situations.

    A smell, look, sound or even bad/poor weather drives me spare …. anything unpredictable.

    I don’t stand a chance.

    HELP!!!

    Comment by Claire — June 18, 2010 @ 8:07 pm

  318. I feel so sorry for you claire and even feel a bit of a fake next to you
    TRY THIS
    if you trust your doctor and get on well with him/her ask them if they will accompany you
    I went and saw my doctor today and told him what happened to me with atos
    he has said that he will come to my appeal and represent me he is also writing a letter to the DWP on my behalf (he said I should come in and help him write the letter :) Just so as they get all the facts and we dont miss anything out (NICE Dr my doctor)

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 19, 2010 @ 6:35 am

  319. Well I got my appeal in for the zero points they gave me. You might remember I complained about the medical and Atos manager is investigating, and I asked for the examiners qualifications, and the name and qualifications of who decided I had to go for the medical. (Still not got that info a month later) You might also remember I was having trouble getting the report and getting the decision after I got the letter from the deductions team saying I will no longer get ESA…and they then held onto my payment for two days.

    Well I got the report and I want to complain about what shes said, her assumptions of my conditions not being serious as I do not have much GP intervention, dont see a specialist for fits and dont have a review of my arthritis until October, and dont see my GP about my depression. And there are loads of inconsistencies in the report.
    Shes recommended a return to work within 3 months, despite me having epilepsy, depression, inverse psoriasis, psoriatic arthritis and hypothyroidism.
    Would I be best off complaining now or waiting until they have investigated my medical then putting the complaint in and saying I want to take it further?

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 6:55 am

  320. Re the above post,
    Just got the reply to my FOI request, they gave me the nurses details, and the details of the person who reviewed my ESA50 and decided I had to go for a medical – she is also a nurse.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 8:48 am

  321. Anonymous like you I also don’t have much GP, or medical, intervention although I see a specialist about epilepsy about every 6 months and the specialist who treated my AVM in bout 11 months time plus the sleep specialist I have just seen says I stop breathing around 15 to 20 times a night and am waiting to get a machine to see if that helps with the problem. How many people that go to their GP are told that they cannot have a tablet for one condition because it will counteract another tablet that the GP thinks is more important i.e. epilepsy.

    Don’t ATOS realise that if someone has the choice to make where money is concerned a visit to the doctors may be low on the list, even a telephone conversation with a GP may be just as low as if the GP says he will write a prescription you may have to either say to the GP “don’t bother I cannot get to the surgery to pick it up” or spend money that you desperately need for other things like gas, electric, food getting to the surgery to pick up the prescription.

    ATOS HCPs have a habit of putting things down using the term, “IT IS THEIR OPINION” I remember this been used a lot by the idiot who did my medical in 2008, especially where she wanted to draw doubt into anything I said. I was later told by someone who works for REMPLOY that an opinion is NEVER wrong, so by putting that, it is their (THE HCPs) opinion, they are then putting it on the decision maker to either agree or disagree with them and this can make a big difference to whether you get ESA or DLA
    You can bet as much as you like that the decision maker, in the majority of cases, will just agree with the report and if that means the claimant doesn’t get enough points then it is appeal or give up and claim JSA.

    If you are getting the basic ESA which is less than JSA then paying for access to medical records or X-rays will cost at least one weeks money :-0 the problem with X-rays is that, and I am not 100% certain on this, is that when the hospital thinks the X-ray is of no more use they dispose of it, so 15 years down the line when you may need it as ultimate proof of what you are saying all you may get is 2 lines written by the specialist

    Comment by Dean — June 19, 2010 @ 8:54 am

  322. Two people employed by ATOS no doubt? One says someone has to go for a medical and they assign it to a nurse then that nurse also looks at the forms of people to decide if someone should go for a medical and each are given the person the other has decided needs a medical.

    P.S

    DOES IT SHOW I DON@T LIKE OR TRUST ATOS IN THE SLIGHTEST? :-)

    Comment by Dean — June 19, 2010 @ 9:20 am

  323. Any advice? Is it worth me complaining before the outcome of the medical complaint or better to wait and take it further? Is is worth me asking under FOI for the amount of complaints made about the nurse who did my assessment? And can I request a copy of the contract? Thanks.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 9:35 am

  324. If you have a complaint about what is in the interrogation, I MEAN REPORT, then don’t wait for one complaint to run its course complain immediately about the other as well, that is my opinion

    Comment by Dean — June 19, 2010 @ 10:59 am

  325. As readers to this will note like the person previous I too have epilepsy and also get night seizures where I stop breathing for short periods of time and Like a LOT of other epileptics suffer from adverse reactions to anti convulsant medication the commonest symptoms being Psoriasis,Joint and Musle pain, Ataxia, and amnesia. I too was given ZERO points even zero points for “Fits Seizures and Blackouts” I have complained and have had my ESA reinstated pending the outcome of my appeal (Note those of us who do this now also have to nip on down to the Doctors and get another sick note as the DWP cancles the origiNAL SICK NOTE WHEN THEY STATE YOU “Fit for work” they being ATOS.
    Well my stepson recieved his Call Up papers today from ATOS. so I phoned them (yes they are there on Saturdays and Sundays (money grabbing bastards)I explained my sons condition to the muppet on the other end of the phon even though I am my sons “Appointed Person” as he (my Son) has Cerabella Ataxia. This being a Progressive and Degenerative condition that affects the central nervous system. It severly affects his motor movement, speach and learning ability. (he has moderate learning difficulties and has problems walking,talking and most other things.) There is no known cure for ATAXIA and the condition only gets worse never better. There is no medication that he can take that will slow it down or aleviate the effects of this condition.
    On the phone this morning the muppets asked to talk to my son (remember my son has a sever speach defect) When I pointed out that I was his DWP Appointee ATOS stated they had no record of this so would have to talk to my son. or they would put his appointment down as a refusal to attend and his ESA would be stopped immediatly.
    I demanded to talk to a supervisor. They called back about 30 mins later and agreed to talk to me.
    I have demanded that both his mother and myself be present at his medical and have requested that I also bring and Independant Medical Professional with me (that will be a Doctor who is my friend but not our family GP)
    They have agreed in principle to this.
    and have also stated that WE WILL BE ANSWERING ALL THE QUESTIONS PUT TO MY SON
    I will also record the whole interview (I am hoping that a “PENCAM” I have ordered from EBAY will be here in time (I too can be a sneeky bastard when I have to play with sneeky bastards….)
    It is capable of cathing hi res video for 2-4 hours with HQ audio.
    (I might rent it out after ………….apply here )
    keep you all posted

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 19, 2010 @ 12:35 pm

  326. Hi All.

    And what iv’e been reading here and other sites in the last couple of months is sickening, just came of a site called benefits and work ( Was trying to find out the identity of the MP who doesn’t like being treated like a benefit claimant) and was reading the comments there too, and complaints about ATOS/DWP it seams are widespread all over the UK.

    If you want to do something more to help sick and disabled people with a elecronically signed protest, then sign the new petition against the new welfare reforms, the e-mail address is as follows : http://www.petitiononline.com/12buckle/petition.html

    It’s just started and well over 200 signatures already, i dont need to impress upon you, how important this is.

    PS: There’s a comment box too. Cheers all Joe Blogs.

    Comment by David — June 19, 2010 @ 1:46 pm

  327. Just called the number on the back of my appointment form (directions only) and spoke to NITA who has a masters in History???? While house phone (on speakerphone) was in a queue waiting for the fictional persons who could assist in re-arranging my appointment.

    I was not seeing a certified Doctor…just one of 4 qualified healthcare professionals

    She refused to cancel my appointment as they had no evidence of further information on my condition from my Doctor. So I was told my missing my appointment will be put down as FAILED attendance.

    I have spent 7 hours 49 minutes and 17 seconds on hold awaiting assistance over the past 3 days in re-arranging my appointment today at 14:00hrs. When my phone would die I’d have to wait for it to re-charge before being able to make any more calls.

    I am housebound, Agraphobic, and cannot even attend my daughters 18th Birthday today due to my condition ASPERGER’S syndrome.

    How do I complain and does anyone have Prime Minister Cameron’s contact details to file a complaint there too. I am so angry, that morons like ATOS can make decisions about conditions they have never heard of.

    So angry, upset that my household and I will suffer because ATOS have the power to stop my benefit.

    Contacted local media and had Hubby speak to them…. they’re interested, but want a reporter and people to visit me??? Need to absorb it and make a plan to do it when I can cope.

    Comment by Claire — June 19, 2010 @ 1:55 pm

  328. Now totally beside myself, shaking and frustrated

    I told hubby to take daughter to her 18th party as I will not ruin it for her.

    …..and I’m here alone until tomorrow.

    I have had all the tranquilizers I am allowed for today.

    My Mum (60 miles away) will be calling soon to check up on me.

    But Asperger’s Syndrome is truely an embarrassing lonely mis-understood illness WITHOUT a cure.

    39 years old and trapped

    Comment by Claire — June 19, 2010 @ 2:04 pm

  329. found ATOS on You Tube…been looking for Who’s Cheating Who…. investigating ATOS

    Comment by Claire — June 19, 2010 @ 2:13 pm

  330. Have you tried to contact your Local Authority Welfare Rights Officer? or the CAB/ If not I suggest you do, one of them will help you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 19, 2010 @ 2:28 pm

  331. Are you in possession of a letter from tyour local JC= stating they have suspended your benefits?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 19, 2010 @ 2:31 pm

  332. Cant wait.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 19, 2010 @ 2:35 pm

  333. Hi Claire.

    What your experiencing is a disgrace, but these are uncivilised bastards we are dealing with and you are not alone, i too have had no money for the last five weeks, even although they conceded i should be on the assessment rate due to appealing, but i wont bore you with the details, suffice to say, these sadists are doing this to everyone.

    Now first of all you need to try and stay calm, the absolute worse thats going to happen is an appeal which you will win easily, have a cup of tea sit down and relax, and think on your next move.

    Secondly if the reporter turns up, let him/her know your full condition regarding your health, also the fact you have a legal right to a home assessment, which ATOS are deliberately ignoring, and refer to all the complaints on various websites like ( benefits and work ) (whywaitforever.com) (ukbix) this site and all the others like the scottish citizens advice bureaux (ATOS unfit for purpose report) which is available for free to download on the net, dont forget this is probably going to be a new experience for the reporter, and also dont be surprised if he/she had never heard of ATOS, so the reporter might be starting from scratch.

    You can help him/her by refering to comment 266 above, to get the reporter going with some clues on how to start, dont worry they will figure out the rest.
    You can also sign the petition e-mail address on comment 227 above regarding the protest against the new welfare reforms.

    Hope this has been some help, Cheers from Joe Blogs,

    Comment by David — June 19, 2010 @ 2:39 pm

  334. Try writind to your Local JC= let them know you are being threatened with benefit suspension by ATOS, htey might not like thier power being flaunted by thier enforcement arm.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 19, 2010 @ 2:40 pm

  335. Part 2

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 3:34 pm

  336. Part 3

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 19, 2010 @ 3:35 pm

  337. The CAB have made me an appointment, but due to their insurance they cannot visit me at home. So the advice so far has been by phone…. and without being able to successfully contact ATOS on their re-arrangement line…. over 7 hours of waiting for them to answer??

    Norfolk Disability Rights and Asperger’s East Anglia are writing letters of support…but that will take time.

    Soo far letters to ATOS have not responded to the Dr’s letter or mine.

    The woman I spoke with today at the Assessment centre NITA with a Master’s in History, Norwich 01603 667890 said my benefits would be stopped as she had no evidence to support my claims.

    So the anticipation of the letter from the JC shutting down my benefits is imminent.

    I am very distressed and NOW have to suffered additional stress, anxiety and discomfort until Monday or beyond…the not understanding or knowing what happens next is making me ill. So much for making me do stuff that upsets my conditions.

    LOTS of bad days to come

    which include NOT being able to eat, sleep or concentrate, with angry outbursts and meltdowns. I get a bad taste in my mouth and my stomach will not keep even little sips of water or small bland foods in. I worry and fall more often.

    So I don’t move and can’t go upstairs …. so I stay where I am… soon in the dark…soon very alone.

    I have lost so much…my previous husband, my home and my three sons in the USA. I was not diagnosed until 39 with Asperger’s. My Ex use to beat me as he did not have the patience or emotional inteligence to cope with me. He divorced me in 1998, after accusing me of an affair….back then I was also housebound, ostrisized and badly beaten most of the time. Then I was even deported after 14 years there, when 911 happened, as ‘NON-Essential personnel’… a Mother of 3 USA sons, self employed tax paying resident alien. I fought for 2 years to stay, but lost as my money ran out. No money no value, no sponsor and no ties to the country… I was escorted onto a plane in San Fransico 7th January 2003 with the clothes on my back.

    My children were kidnapped by my Ex, taken to Oregon. I last saw them Sunday 19th August 2001 at 14:00hrs. After years of looking finding, websites, supplying evidence to schools doctors that they were my biological children and then they would disappear again….My oldest contacted me thru a social networking sight in April last year… we’ve been in contact since.

    He leaves for Afganistan this weekend as a US Marine a Door Gunner (on a helicopter with a really big gun).

    I tried to go and see him Graduate his Marine training, with over a years worth of work, 110,000 airmiles donated by my Dad a US Naturalized resident in Texas and support workers, mostly my husband… WE got on a plane to the US. It was truely terrifying. When arriving in the US Houston Border Patrol, denied me entry…because of my deportation and forced me back onto a plane on 14th April… in mid flight over Canada the plane was turned around and returned to Houston.. (due to the Icelandic Volcano errupting)….where I was arrested and detained while my husband was left in the airport not knowing what to do for 5 days. I cannot remember most of it. I just remember how I couldn’t shower or wash, I didn’t eat and was kept in a cage at night from Midnight to 5am without a blanket or a toilet, So didn’t sleep.

    The CBP officers would show concern but they could not help. When a flight was available my husband and I flew out to Newark NY, then onto Madrid, Spain…where Continental Airlines dumps us refusing to help us get back to Heathrow London.

    3 more days of being stranded…we found the UK Embassy and were put on a bus 22hrs to Calais onto a ferry, trains, underground to get our car.

    Thru the nine days I never saw my son and had many outbursts just from the confusion, chaos and sureal treatment.

    My husband took me to my Mum’s and said he wanted a divorce… I was there for 11 days, not leaving the house and afraid of everything. I lost a 14lbs and became very ill.

    I went into a total melt/breakdown and haven’t been able to leave my home for any continous length of time. I am told until I can resolve my mental state I could experience PTSD for years…because of my Asperger’s Syndrome.

    My husband needed a break, and he again supports and cares for me, but there are different rules…like the birthday party today.

    I have food, drink a blanket and pillow…’til he gets back tomorrow. I cannot go upstairs because of my re-constructed hip and fear of falling.

    I will not leave the room, or answer the door.

    I have my laptop as company and hope I can find the answers to my questions in the www.

    Why can others have such an impact on my quality of life without even visiting me to see how I survive day to day?

    How can we be recognised as needing support when ATOS/DWP/JC won’t look thru their bogus assessments/satistics, reports at the real problems we disabled, sick or terminally ill face without having to jump thru hoops for them?

    I am not an animal, I’ve worked, paid my stamp…and watched my life dwindle to a room 15 x 11 ft… with no forseable support.

    I have a recognised disability, impairment… feels like the victorian times where people like me were locked up and forgotten. I am not someone physically/mentally able to con the system….I can’t get anyone to listen.

    NOT even my disabilty adviser will return my calls??

    Comment by Claire — June 19, 2010 @ 3:49 pm

  338. Hubby has scheduled a call back to the reporter on Wednesday, as my conditions only allows me to absorb and deal with emotions, happenings quite slowly… you can scare me by accident and I will experience it again tomorrow and again the next day.

    I will re-live today and ALL its emotions for at least 4 days…so I will get angry/upset/depressed over this and everything else upsetting in my life repeatedly, it happens during my sleep or while I am awake…it is very disturbing to any on looker.

    Comment by Claire — June 19, 2010 @ 4:03 pm

  339. Thank you for the links.

    Comment by Claire — June 19, 2010 @ 5:55 pm

  340. Oooooooh! This report says I sat in the chair comfortably for 45 minutes and the interview and assessment finished at 11.15am. Funny, my daughter took a pic of me with her phone about ten mins after we left the centre, THE TIME OF THE PIC WAS 11AM!!!!!!!!!
    I am so going to use this!!!!!!!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 8:38 pm

  341. How many other people are they doing this to without them even realising, I got that pic taken as I knew they would say I was dressed ok, and she did, she said I was neatly dressed and well kempt even though she readily admits elsewhere I was still in my pyjama top. I knew I hadnt sat for that length of time, shes stitched me up saying the assessment ended later than it did so she could say I sat for 45 mins!! It must have ended at least 20 mins before she said it did, if this pic on the phone can be disputed, the cctv cant! Has she committed a crime??

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 9:28 pm

  342. ofcourse,but nobody cares

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 9:34 pm

  343. well I care. Its resulted in my ESA being stopped and shes probably doing the same to others.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 9:35 pm

  344. look, they (few priveleged doctors by the system) train other doctors or related professionals to medically assess people, more or less within predefined time limits (more cases in a day equals productivity hence money for the company) and the last they care is your talk time or whether the report describes you or the moon…It`s a factory…

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 9:51 pm

  345. Well the tribunal will care, and as for your welfare rights officer, he/she will be rubbing their hands in glee.

    Well done… i wish i had thought of that, but i will in my next assessment.

    Cheers from Joe Blogs.

    Comment by David — June 19, 2010 @ 9:56 pm

  346. correct-but you cannot prove it as the system is closing its own eyes…

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 9:58 pm

  347. joe what a case you had…..?no comments

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 10:05 pm

  348. This is going to appeal, probably tribunal. Part of my problem is that I cannot sit for long, that nurse has faked the time of the assessment and said it was longer. Maybe Atos or the DWP dont care but someone will, this isnt just talk or my word against hers. Im sure someone will be interested.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 10:14 pm

  349. ANON
    The tribunal system is more fair than Atos and the DWP. I think I have something useful here and intend to use it. And if it stops this nurse or makes her think twice about doing this to someone else then its worth it. Despite what you think Im sure people do care.
    Thanks the rest of you for the support :)

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 10:20 pm

  350. Hi anon’

    I made the assumption the picture is dated..!!

    Comment by David — June 19, 2010 @ 10:27 pm

  351. The picture was taken outside the medical centre, five minutes after the assessment finished.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 10:33 pm

  352. Maybe even ten minutes, by the time I got out of there and asked for my fares to be refundrd, then I sat to make a cigarette and was smoking it when the pic was taken.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 10:35 pm

  353. Yes the pic has the date and time on. Like I say, if this goes further then Im sure the CCTV will be evidence enough.
    It makes me wonder just how much of this is going on.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 10:42 pm

  354. Anon.

    I also have to assume, you recieved some sort of physical examination, which means you would have to have stood up at least once.
    So it’s difficult to see how she knows you can sit for 45 minutes if you rose from the chair at some point.

    Comment by David — June 19, 2010 @ 10:51 pm

  355. They will destroy the cctv image rather than show it, so dont rely on it, were dealing with criminals here, with no scruples whatsoever.

    The ATOS doctor did the same to me, added 15 or 16 minutes on.
    Hey dont forget, remember camera times can bechanged etc.

    Comment by David — June 19, 2010 @ 11:01 pm

  356. David she said I rose three times, which is more lies oh and she said I stood for one minute, it doesnt make sense??

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 11:10 pm

  357. Sorry yes I did have the physical stand up once, it was for the squatting and stuff and then I had to get on the couch straight after that, then I left the room the assessment was finished after that.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 11:12 pm

  358. Sorry yes I did have the physical and stood up once, it was for the squatting and stuff and then I had to get on the couch straight after that, then I left the room the assessment was finished after that.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 11:13 pm

  359. Were you asked to bend to touch your knees ? and if so, did you manage to do it ?

    Comment by David — June 19, 2010 @ 11:18 pm

  360. She made me go to half way down my shins, I did do it but it hurt, and I nearly fell over when she told me to squat (she panicked and said be careful!) I ended up at the docs after the assessment she had me doing allkinds of stuff with my legs (leg raises and power testing, hip and knee rotations and stuff – not good with arthritis!) my back was killing me I was really upset. The atos manager is investigating it, Im sure those sort of tests cant be right, and I told the nurse it would hurt. Ive not much faith with the atos investigation but and at least its on record.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2010 @ 11:29 pm

  361. Well if you can’t bend your back to touch your knees, but had to bend your knees to touch your knees, according to Commissioner williams (CIB/15262/1996) that should be 15 points.

    Comment by David — June 19, 2010 @ 11:40 pm

  362. Maybe something arund falsifying Government documentation?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 20, 2010 @ 7:32 am

  363. Hi all.

    Was just reading the daily mail, and George Osbourne will be taking the axe to benefits, as predicted earlier by most of our readers and commenters even before the election.

    He didn’t say what the cuts will be, but my personal prediction will be a 20% cut all across the board.

    Had a look at their comments page, and most people are agreeing with Georgie boy, but then they would wouldn’t they,

    There was one disabled person (well so he claims) who says, ” We are all in this together, and i agree with the cuts to benefits” It’s hard to believe this idiot has the right to free speech, he’s actually on his knees, screaming for it in the balls. Asking for it, is an understatment.

    My advice to this TWIT would be, get your LIDL carrier bag, go sit in the corner, exhale as much breath as you can, tie said bag over your head, and breath in and out with great gusto.

    Sorry to everyone for the bad news.

    Cheers from Joe Blogs.

    Comment by David — June 20, 2010 @ 7:57 am

  364. Yes DWP, Im sure if this goes to tribunal they will wonder what reason the nurse would have for doing this…not just that, its probably irrevalant but she also gave the wrong time for when the report was completed, it says on the front the report was completed at 12.19, there are timestamps on each page of this report and it goes up to 12.23.
    Not much I know, but its still another indescrepancy.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 20, 2010 @ 8:13 am

  365. Hi All.

    And just reading the scottish sunday post, one of the main headlines, terminal cancer patients told to find a job etc, a spokesman for the DWP said, it’s not true, cancer patients are not forced in for face to face job assesments.

    Well Sir thats actually true, but you conviently forgot to tell the sunday post reporter, if they dont attend, there benefits will be cut… YOU FUCKER..!!

    Comment by David — June 20, 2010 @ 10:29 am

  366. I hope someone goes to the paper and tells them the truth!!!!!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 20, 2010 @ 1:10 pm

  367. We should all go to the newspapers and point them to this site

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 20, 2010 @ 1:29 pm

  368. And one that should be clearly pointed out too.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 21, 2010 @ 6:08 am

  369. OK Guys this is it you want to know how your points are worked out
    Have this ready for your appeals

    Employment And Support Allowance
    ESA214 – The Work Capability Assessment
    18
    Limited Capability for Work
    Descriptors and scores for each physical activity
    Activities

    1. Walking with a walking stick or other aid if such aid is normally used
    Descriptor Points
    a) Cannot walk at all 15
    b) Cannot walk more than 50 metres on level ground without repeatedly 15
    stopping or severe discomfort
    c) Cannot walk up or down two steps even with the support of a handrail 15
    d) Cannot walk more than 100 metres on level ground without stopping 9
    or severe discomfort
    e) Cannot walk more than 200 metres on level ground without stopping 6
    or severe discomfort
    f) None of the above apply 0

    2. Standing and sitting
    Descriptor Points
    a) Cannot stand for more than 10 minutes, unassisted by another 15
    person, even if free to move around, before needing to sit down
    b) Cannot sit in a chair with a high back and no arms for more than 15
    10 minutes before needing to move from the chair because the degree
    of discomfort experienced makes it impossible to continue sitting
    c) Cannot rise to standing from sitting in an upright chair without 15
    physical assistance from another person
    d) Cannot move between one seated position and another seated 15
    position located next to one another without receiving physical assistance
    from another person
    e) Cannot stand for more than 30 minutes, even if free to move around, 6
    before needing to sit down
    f) Cannot sit in a chair with a high back and no arms for more than 6
    30 minutes without needing to move from the chair because the degree
    of discomfort experienced makes it impossible to continue sitting
    g) None of the above apply 0

    3. Bending or kneeling
    Descriptor Points
    a) Cannot bend to touch knees and straighten up again 15
    b) Cannot bend, kneel or squat, as if to pick up a light object, such as a 9
    piece of paper, situated 15cm from the floor on a low shelf, to move
    it and straighten up again without the help of another person
    c) Cannot bend, kneel or squat, as if to pick up a light object off the floor 6
    and straighten up again without the help of another person
    Employment And Support Allowance
    ESA214 – The Work Capability Assessment
    19
    d) None of the above apply 0

    4. Reaching
    Descriptor Points
    a) Cannot raise either arm as if to put something in top pocket of a 15
    coat or jacket
    b) Cannot put either arm behind back as if to put on a coat or jacket 15
    c) Cannot raise either arm to top of head as if to put on a hat 9
    d) Cannot raise either arm above head height as if to reach for 6
    something
    e) None of the above apply 0

    5. Picking up and moving or transferring by the use of the upper body and arms (excluding all other activities specified)
    Descriptor Points
    a) Cannot pick up and move a 0.5 litre carton full of liquid with either 15
    hand
    b) Cannot pick up and move a one litre carton full of liquid with either 9
    hand
    c) Cannot pick up and move a light but bulky object such as an empty 6
    cardboard box, requiring the use of both hands together
    d) None of the above apply 0

    6. Manual dexterity
    Descriptor Points
    a) Cannot turn a ‘star-headed’ sink tap with either hand 15
    b) Cannot pick up a £1 coin or equivalent with either hand 15
    c) Cannot turn the pages of a book with either hand 15
    d) Cannot physically use a pen or pencil 9
    e) Cannot physically use a conventional keyboard or mouse 9
    f) Cannot do up/ undo small buttons, such as shirt or blouse buttons 9
    g) Cannot turn a ‘star-headed’ sink tap with one hand but can with the 6
    other
    h) Cannot pick up a £1 coin or equivalent with one hand but can with 6
    the other
    i) Cannot pour from an open 0.5 litre carton full of liquid 6
    j) None of the above apply 0

    7. Speech
    Descriptor Points
    a) Cannot speak at all 15
    b) Speech cannot be understood by strangers 15
    c) Strangers have great difficulty understanding speech 9
    d) Strangers have some difficulty understanding speech 6
    e) None of the above apply 0

    Employment And Support Allowance
    ESA214 – The Work Capability Assessment
    20
    8. Hearing with a hearing aid or other aid if normally worn
    Descriptor Points
    a) Cannot hear at all 15
    b) Cannot hear well enough to be able to hear someone talking in a 15
    loud voice in a quiet room, sufficiently clearly to distinguish the words
    being spoken
    c) Cannot hear someone talking in a normal voice in a quiet room, 9
    sufficiently clearly to distinguish the words being spoken
    d) Cannot hear someone talking in a loud voice in a busy street, 6
    sufficiently clearly to distinguish the words being spoken
    e) None of the above apply 0

    9. Vision including visual activity and visual fields, in normal daylight or bright electric light, with glasses or other aid to vision if such aid is normally worn
    Descriptor Points
    a) Cannot see at all 15
    b) Cannot see well enough to read 16 point print at a distance of 15
    greater than 20 cm
    c) Has 50% or greater reduction of visual fields 15
    d) Cannot see well enough to recognise a friend at a distance of at 9
    least 5 metres
    e) Has 25% or more but less than 50% reduction of visual fields 6
    f) Cannot see well enough to recognise a friend at a distance of at 6
    least 15 metres
    g) None of the above apply 0

    10 (a) Continence other than enuresis (bed wetting) where the customer does not have an artificial stoma or urinary collecting device
    Descriptor Points
    a)(i) Has no voluntary control over the evacuation of the bowel 15
    a)(ii) Has no voluntary control over the voiding of the bladder 15
    a)(iii) At least once a month loses control of bowels so that the customer 15
    cannot control the full evacuation of the bowel
    a)(iv) At least once a week, loses control of bladder so that the customer 15
    cannot control the full voiding of the bladder
    a)(v) Occasionally loses control of bowels so that the customer cannot 9
    control the full evacuation of the bowel
    a)(vi) At least once a month loses control of bladder so that the customer 6
    cannot control the full voiding of the bladder
    a)(vii) Risks losing control of bowels or bladder so that the customer 6
    cannot control the full evacuation of the bowel or the full voiding of the
    bladder if not able to reach a toilet quickly
    a)(viii) None of the above apply 0

    Employment And Support Allowance
    ESA214 – The Work Capability Assessment
    21
    10 (b) Continence where the customer uses a urinary collecting device, worn for the majority of the time including an indwelling urethral or suprapubic catheter
    Descriptor Points
    b)(i) Is unable to affix, remove or empty the catheter bag or other device 15
    without receiving physical assistance from another person
    b)(ii) Is unable to affix, remove or empty the catheter bag or other 15
    collecting device without causing leakage of contents
    b)(iii) Has no voluntary control over the evacuation of the bowel 15
    b)(iv) At least once a month, loses control of bowels so that the customer 15
    cannot control the full evacuation of the bowel
    b)(v) Occasionally loses control of bowels so that the customer cannot 9
    control the full evacuation of the bowel
    b)(vi) Risks losing control of the bowels so that the customer cannot 6
    control the full evacuation of the bowel if not able to reach a toilet quickly
    b)(vii) None of the above apply 0

    10 (c) Continence other than enuresis (bed wetting) where the customer has an artificial stoma
    Descriptor Points
    c)(i) Is unable to affix, remove or empty stoma appliance without 15
    receiving physical assistance from another person
    c)(ii) Is unable to affix, remove or empty stoma appliance without 15
    causing leakage of contents
    c)(iii) Where the customer’s artificial stoma relates solely to the evacuation 15
    of the bowel, at least once a week, loses control of bladder so that the
    customer cannot control the full voiding of the bladder
    c)(iv) Where the customer’s artificial stoma relates solely to the evacuation 9
    of the bowel, at least once a month, loses control of bladder so that the
    customer cannot control the full voiding of bladder
    c)(v) Where the customer’s artificial stoma relates solely to the evacuation 6
    of the bowel, risks losing control of the bladder so that the customer
    cannot control the full voiding of the bladder if not able to reach a toilet
    quickly
    c)(vi) None of the above apply 0

    11. Remaining conscious during waking moments
    Descriptors Points
    a) At least once a week, has an involuntary episode of lost or altered 15
    consciousness, resulting in significantly disrupted awareness or
    concentration
    b) At least once a month, has an involuntary episode of lost or altered 9
    consciousness, resulting in significantly disrupted awareness or
    concentration
    c) At least twice in six months immediately preceding the assessment, 6
    has had an involuntary episode of lost or altered consciousness,
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    resulting in significantly disrupted awareness or concentration
    d) None of the above apply 0

    Descriptors and scores for each mental, cognitive and intellectual function assessment
    12. Learning or comprehension in completion of tasks
    Descriptors Points
    a) Cannot learn or understand how to successfully complete a simple 15
    task, such as setting an alarm clock, at all
    b) Needs to witness a demonstration, given more than once on the 15
    same occasion, of how to carry out a simple task before the customer is
    able to learn or understand how to complete the task successfully, but
    would be unable to successfully complete the task the following day
    without receiving a further demonstration of how to complete it
    c) Needs to witness a demonstration of how to carry out a simple task, 9
    before the customer is able to learn or understand how to complete the
    task successfully, but would be unable to successfully complete the task
    the following day without receiving a verbal prompt from another person
    d) Needs to witness a demonstration of how to carry out a moderately 9
    complex task, such as the steps involved in operating a washing
    machine to correctly clean clothes, before the customer is able to learn
    or understand how to complete the task successfully, but would be
    unable to successfully complete the task the following day without
    receiving a verbal prompt from another person
    e) Needs verbal instructions as to how to carry out a simple task before 6
    the customer is able to learn or understand how to complete the task
    successfully, but would be unable, within a period of less than one week,
    to successfully complete the task the following day without receiving a
    verbal prompt from another person
    f) None of the above apply 0

    13. Awareness of hazards
    Descriptors Points
    a) Reduced awareness of the risks of everyday hazards (such as 15
    boiling water or sharp objects) would lead to daily instances of or
    to near-avoidance of:
    (i) injury to self or others; or
    (ii) significant damage to property or possessions,
    to such an extent that overall day to day life cannot successfully be
    managed
    b) Reduced awareness of the risks of everyday hazards would lead 9
    for the majority of the time to instances of or to near-avoidance of:
    (i) injury to self and others; or
    (ii) significant damage to property or possessions,
    to such an extent that overall day to day life cannot successfully be
    managed without supervision from another person
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    c) Reduced awareness of the risks of everyday hazards has led or 6
    would lead to frequent instances of or to near-avoidance of:
    (i) injury to self or others; or
    (ii) significant damage to property or possessions,
    but not to such an extent that overall day to day life cannot be managed
    when such incidents occur
    d) None of the above apply 0

    14. Memory and concentration
    Descriptors Points
    a) On a daily basis, forgets or loses concentration to such an extent that 15
    overall day to day life cannot be successfully managed without receiving
    verbal prompting, given by someone else in the customer’s presence
    b) For the majority of the time, forgets or loses concentration to such an 9
    extent that overall day to day life cannot be successfully managed
    without receiving verbal prompting, given by someone else in the
    customer’s presence
    c) Frequently forgets or loses concentration to such an extent that overall 6
    day to day life can only be successfully managed with pre-planning, such
    as making a daily written list of all tasks forming part of daily life that are
    to be completed
    d) None of the above apply 0
    15. Execution of tasks
    Descriptors Points
    a) Is unable to successfully complete any everyday task 15
    b) Takes more than twice the length of time it would take a person 15
    without any form of mental disablement, to successfully complete an
    everyday task with which the customer is familiar
    c) Takes more than one and a half times but no more than twice the 9
    length of time it would take a person without any form of mental
    disablement to successfully complete an everyday task with which the
    customer is familiar
    d) Takes one and a half times the length of time it would take a person 6
    without any form of mental disablement to successfully complete an
    everyday task with which the customer is familiar
    e) None of the above apply 0

    16. Initiating and sustaining personal action
    Descriptors Points
    a) Cannot, due to cognitive impairment or a severe disorder of mood 15
    or behaviour, initiate or sustain any personal action (which means
    planning, organisation, problem solving, prioritising or switching tasks)
    b) Cannot, due to cognitive impairment or a severe disorder of mood 15
    or behaviour, initiate or sustain personal action without requiring
    verbal prompting given by another person in the customer’s presence
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    for the majority of the time
    c) Cannot, due to cognitive impairment or a severe disorder of mood 9
    or behaviour, initiate or sustain personal action without requiring verbal
    prompting given by another person in the customer’s presence for the
    majority of the time
    d) Cannot, due to cognitive impairment or a severe disorder of mood 6
    or behaviour, initiate or sustain personal action without requiring
    frequent verbal prompting given by another person in the customer’s
    presence
    e) None of the above apply 0

    17. Coping with change
    Descriptors Points
    a) Cannot cope with very minor, expected changes in routine, to the 15
    extent that overall day to day life cannot be managed
    b) Cannot cope with expected changes in routine (such as a 9
    pre-arranged permanent change to the routine time scheduled for a
    lunch break), to the extent that overall day to day life is made
    significantly more difficult
    c) Cannot cope with minor, unforeseen changes in routine (such as an 6
    unexpected change of the timing of an appointment on the day it is due
    to occur), to the extent that overall, day to day life is made significantly
    more difficult
    d) None of the above apply 0

    18. Getting about
    Descriptors Points
    a) Cannot get to any specified place with which the customer is, or 15
    would be, familiar
    b) Is unable to get to a specified place with which the customer is 15
    familiar, without being accompanied by another person on each occasion
    c) For the majority of the time is unable to get to a specified place with 9
    which the customer is familiar without being accompanied by another
    person
    d) Is frequently unable to get to a specified place with which the 6
    customer is familiar without being accompanied by another person
    e) None of the above apply 0

    19. Coping with social situations
    Descriptors Points
    a) Normal activities, for example, visiting new places or engaging in 15
    social contact, are precluded because of overwhelming fear or anxiety
    b) Normal activities, for example, visiting new places or engaging in 9
    social contact, are precluded for the majority of the time due to
    overwhelming fear or anxiety
    c) Normal activities, for example, visiting new places or engaging in 6
    Employment And Support Allowance
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    social contact, are frequently precluded, due to overwhelming fear
    or anxiety
    d) None of the above apply 0

    20. Propriety of behaviour with other people
    Descriptors Points
    a) Has unpredictable outbursts of aggressive, disinhibited, or 15
    bizarre behaviour, being either:
    (i) sufficient to cause disruption to others on a daily basis; or
    (ii) of such severity that although occurring less frequently than
    on a daily basis, no reasonable person would be expected to
    tolerate them
    b) Has a completely disproportionate reaction to minor events or to 15
    criticism to the extent that the customer has an extreme violent outburst
    leading to threatening behaviour or actual physical violence
    c) Has unpredictable outbursts of aggressive, disinhibited or bizarre 9
    behaviour, sufficient in severity and frequency to cause disruption for
    the majority of the time
    d) Has a strongly disproportionate reaction to minor events or to criticism, 9
    to the extent that the customer cannot manage overall day to day life when
    such events or criticism occur
    e) Has unpredictable outbursts of aggressive, disinhibited or bizarre 6
    behaviour, sufficient to cause frequent disruption
    f) Frequently demonstrates a moderately disproportionate reaction to 6
    minor events or to criticism but not to such an extent that the customer
    cannot manage overall day to day life when such events or criticism occur
    g) None of the above apply 0

    21. Dealing with other people
    Descriptors Points
    a) Is unaware of impact of own behaviour to the extent that: 15
    (i) has difficulty relating to others even for brief periods, such as a
    few hours; or
    (ii) causes distress to others on a daily basis
    b) The customer misinterprets verbal or non-verbal communication to the 15
    extent of causing himself or herself significant distress on a daily basis
    c) Is unaware of impact of own behaviour to the extent that: 9
    (i) has difficulty relating to others for longer periods, such as a day
    or two; or
    (ii) causes distress to others for the majority of the time
    d) The customer misinterprets verbal or non-verbal communication to the 9
    extent of causing himself or herself significant distress to himself for the
    majority of the time
    e) Is unaware of impact of own behaviour to the extent that: 6
    (i) has difficulty relating to others for prolonged periods, such
    as a week; or
    (ii) frequently causes distress to others
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    f) The customer misinterprets verbal or non-verbal communication to the 6
    extent of causing himself or herself significant distress on a frequent basis
    g) None of the above apply 0
    I hope this helps you guys

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 21, 2010 @ 6:21 am

  370. This is what we want, well done agent K

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 21, 2010 @ 6:29 am

  371. According to that I scored 36 points
    yet got zero

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 21, 2010 @ 6:31 am

  372. Yep. I have:

    Epilepsy
    Depression
    Inverse Psoriasis
    Psoriatis Arthritis
    Hypothyroidism

    And I got 0 points for the lot.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 21, 2010 @ 6:31 am

  373. So as you can clearly see they dont even follow thier own guidelines
    and that has to be a plus for ANY appeal

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 21, 2010 @ 9:34 am

  374. Im just going through the report now and marking the indiscrepancies, you dont realise how many “errors” are in it until you go through it to mark them off.
    Sent a complaint Email to Atos, and told them Im waiting for a copy of the contract (Ive asked DWP for it) and told them Im going to seek legal advice regarding the whole situation, I mentioned the fact the examiner took great interest in the fact I have a dog, and I have asked them does the fact that people do not dispose of their dogs make the fit for work? I told them my dog is a family member, my companion and not something to be “disposed” of just because I am suddenly unable to work. I also said anyone with any knowledge of mental health problems would know that pets are beneficial to health, and they may be all a person has in their dark days so this should not be used against them.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 21, 2010 @ 12:46 pm

  375. http://www.speakingup.org/
    you might want to try these folks they are great people and are helping me out with the things I need to get in place for an appeal
    They are honest and helpful
    They came to my house and had a look at all the things I have done so far and advised me on what else I might have to get in place prior to my appeal

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — June 21, 2010 @ 3:33 pm

  376. Thanks for that Kenn
    Just spotted another interesting thing on my report
    “Client stated she had hip and back pain during straight leg raise and external hip rotation, of both limbs”

    If theyre not meant to do anything that causes you pain how come I had to do it? Shes gave herself away, it proves she had me carry on, doing the whole lot knowing I was in pain.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 21, 2010 @ 4:24 pm

  377. And theres also the complaint I put in just after the medical about the pain I was in. Im sure this will go down well at a tribunal.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 21, 2010 @ 4:27 pm

  378. well just read the budjet FUCK
    it just keeps getting worse for folks like us
    Todau I got a letter from the mortgage company Today we have lost our house.
    Full story
    as readers will know previously (2 years ago I was made redundant along with my partner and carer.We had a reasonable income of around £1800pm plus my DLA at middle rate and mobility at lower rate (no tax credits) this gave us a total income of around £2000pm less tax /ni around a take home of £430pw since then MY epilepsy and associated conditions have got worse to the point where in truth I was having severseizures a week. I went on to joint Income support with my partner giving us £106p/w plus my dla £75 plus £35 pw towards our Mortge a fraction of what we were paying. My partner now works P/T and earns £90 (we have been waiting for 3 months for tax credits) I get £62 ESA (pending appeal) and my dla £75 total with £35 towards Housing £172 so we are not living of the fat of the land. We have lost our house and The Budget has put a cap on Housing benifit of £400PCM when rents in this region are between £500 and £600pcm How can we afford to live anywhere (I know housing is Cheap here GOD Help the folks in london)
    Also there is to be a new Medical for DLA and no doubt run by ATOS so most of us will lose our IB/ESA/DLA/MA and no doubt our Carers Allowence..
    This budget was surely target at those who need the most help those of us who are genuine and require that extra help. Where are we the disabled and sick to go “On the streets and perrish away” thereby saving the goverment more money.
    I can see our income droping back down to £106 pw but with no home and never again being able to afford even rented accomadation.
    While the goverment can afford to pay now almost DOUBLE to ATOS The budget says that the new measures in Benifits will save the country 11 billion but they will be baying ATOS almost 10 billion.

    What am I to do should I leave my partner as she will have a better chance in life without me stuck around her neck. I am genuinly terrified of what will happen over the coming months.
    God help us all…..

    Comment by Kenn — June 23, 2010 @ 7:38 am

  379. Hi Kenn
    And things will only get worse when the welfare review is published in September.

    Comment by A.J. — June 23, 2010 @ 8:22 am

  380. How many of us will top ourselfs before then???

    Comment by Kenn — June 23, 2010 @ 8:48 am

  381. Hi All.

    Can i refer everyone to the new forum.

    http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Thanks Joe Blogs.

    Comment by David — June 23, 2010 @ 10:32 pm

  382. Sorry to hear that Kenn, its sad to say it but if you were an immigrant or asylum seeker you would have more rights to housing. I too am astonished at the cavalier way in which our Government is openly singling out the sick and disabled for such selective treatment. I wish I could afford the slicitors fees, I would have a go at the Chancellor for rounding on those on benefits and calling everyone welfare benefit scroungers. But because I have worked hard for 95% of my adult working life, paid my taxes on time without question, contributed to society for the greater good and haver not been a burden to society i.e. by commiting crimes or living off the state for long periods, like you, I am nothing. This has to change, I bet you wouldnt have lost your house if you were relared to an MP. or a banker?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 24, 2010 @ 7:17 am

  383. OK spoke to ATOS today they acknowlege reciept of my request for a copy of the video footage taken in the reception area of the Medical centre HOEVER they state that they dont own the video that it is the property of the dwp. Do i called them and spoke to them THEY say that they dont own it that it belongs to the owner of the building that they lease it from. They could not tell me who that was and even if they could they could not let me have a copy of it as there would be other people on it who would have to be contacted to give their permission for me to have a copy……
    Trouble is there is a 28 day rule on keeping video and after 28 days they can destroy it…….
    This is nothing more than BULLSHIT….
    I have to accompany my son to his medical on the 12 july and i will be videoing the medical (For training purposes) copies avail after the medical (to ANYone who wishes it) i will Mask the identity of the examiner but NOT the voice so those of you who have not had your medical yet can see what you are about to face…..

    Comment by kenn. However they state that they dont — June 24, 2010 @ 4:13 pm

  384. My further evidence was received by atos from my dr requesting a home visit….and guess what?

    yep….they have re-scheduled me an appointment at the NORWICH assessment centre????

    DWP/Fennela my disability adviser has also scheduled a focus back to work appointment on the same day at the same time at the local jobcentre…this is the woman who refuses to return any of my calls???? 30 miles away? I don’t do public transport (plus there isn’t any from where I live) and I can’t stand busy places or noise.

    Left doesn’t know right is doing and ATOS just don’t give a S***!!!! regardless if you are housebound and agrophobic with Asperger’s Syndrome and have a Dr’s recommendation to have a home assessment. So what next?

    No response from complaint filed with ATOS, DWP or PM Cameron, but based on the budget announcements this week they don’t care about spending more money on ATOS and its criminal and anti-humane treatment of disabled people.

    So what can I do now??

    Comment by Claire — June 24, 2010 @ 5:03 pm

  385. have you tried to contact ATOS customer services
    if not do you want thier number

    Comment by kenn. — June 24, 2010 @ 5:26 pm

  386. Oh yes… now have accumilated over 12 hours of wait time…waiting for someone to answer??????????????

    Anyone else had this problem?

    I can safely put my phone on speakerphone and wait until the battery runs out… once I was on hold for more than 3 hours?

    I have emailed them directly thru their website and even had my dr, my disabilities advocat and now my mental health nurse write them.

    I have mobility issues with a re-constructed right hip (with re-occurent fractures and dislocation) I’m 39 have PCOS and Asperger’s.

    See 200 & 300 or there abouts

    Comment by Claire — June 24, 2010 @ 5:57 pm

  387. Like I said, the moment you put them under pressure, the smoke and mirrors team come out to play. This is all part of thier pre planned defence system, I would take a guess that the video belongs to whoever requested its installation. Keep pushing Kenn, they want you to give up seek guidance quickly from the CAB on this Im sure they are trying to misdirect you. This may also be an opportunity for us to have these cameras removed, afterall, I dont want video footage of me in the habds of some unknown building owner.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 25, 2010 @ 7:19 am

  388. The name of the guy who handle the ATOS Medical services for the DWP is John Coates
    his telephone number is 01523 611556
    If you have a complaint and wish to get your video he is the man to write too and then request all info under the freedom of imformation act
    you can also contact him via Email
    DWP.medicalservicescorrespondence@dwp.gsi.gov.uk
    you should all write to him and he has no choice but to provide the imformation.

    Comment by Kenn — June 25, 2010 @ 10:13 am

  389. BTW PenCam arrived today great quality Video

    Comment by Anonymous — June 25, 2010 @ 2:12 pm

  390. Whats the sound like Anon? Any good?

    Comment by Anonymous — June 25, 2010 @ 3:10 pm

  391. I can understand it and I am a bit deaf
    I would say vid 10/10 audio 7/10

    Comment by Kenn — June 25, 2010 @ 3:56 pm

  392. Is it like a pen? might be a bit obvious if you put a pen down facing the assailant ooops assessor!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 25, 2010 @ 5:01 pm

  393. wear it in the brest pocket its just looks like a pen no wires or lights that show :)
    email me for more info

    Comment by Kenn — June 25, 2010 @ 5:06 pm

  394. Just had a look on Ebay they look great. Expensive though for me. I hope if youre lucky with this youll get reimbursed :) Will we get to see the results? Are you a member of the new site? If not join, we can open a private bit for members only.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 25, 2010 @ 5:15 pm

  395. new site?

    Comment by Kenn — June 26, 2010 @ 6:45 am

  396. Can you post that on the useful templates page of the forum Kenn? it would help if you could provide the template letter too. The forum address is http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 26, 2010 @ 10:01 am

  397. Excellent, can you post the address of the supplier on the forum please? The forum address is http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 26, 2010 @ 10:02 am

  398. Our new forum is now up and running, and can be found at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 26, 2010 @ 10:02 am

  399. why do you need registered users in your new forum? maybe trying to control something?

    Comment by Anonymous — June 27, 2010 @ 3:53 pm

  400. Having to register means the once you register you have that sign in name and keep it some forums allow the same email address to be used for multiple login names while others don’t the ADMIN will be able to see your email address but they should only use that to inform users of important issues or never in most cases and the email address should be set to not show another members email address when 1 member sends an email to another member or this leaves members open to receiving junk mail from someone who may join a forum to harvest email addresses to sell on.
    Basically forums are safe, GOOGLE probably picks up more info from places than you think even from sites like this

    Comment by Dean — June 27, 2010 @ 4:51 pm

  401. Mmmmm, not too sure what you mean? I have no wish to control anyone or anything, you choose to comment or you dont. If you are worried about what may happen to the details you provide, then do not register, Its your choice. I am simply trying to provide a platform from which commentators can make themselves heard without censorship.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 30, 2010 @ 6:43 am

  402. OK we have some movement on my complaints against both the ATOS Healthcare and the DWP
    My MP has been in touch with both and the Video that was taken by ATOS in the waiting roon has been found and I have a DO NOT DESTROY NOTICE on it so they cant loose or delete it (make sure that when you apply for this that you do so at the earlist moment as building used by the DWP and ATOS only have to keep video for 28 day under the imaginatice law called the 28 day rule!!!!)
    and they have 40 days with which to supply me a copy.
    The video is owned by the owner of the building which in this case is Neither the DWP or ATOS but the people who lease the building to the DWP however it is Used by ATOS and you Have to apply to the DWP Medical Management Team who in turn are legaly bound to track it down and put the other companies on Notice under the “28 day rule” Make sure that when you ask for it that you explain that “It MAY BE REQUIRES FOR A TRIBUNAL APPEAL” As once you have done this, if they do not supply it the tribunal would assume that they have destroyed evidence and ergo they would start believing you rather than ATOS/DWP. Also request ALL documentation about or concerning both YOU and ANY COMPLAINTS that you have made to ATOS/DWP This include all minutes of meetings and all documents concerning your complaints about ATOS healthcare and their own interal investigation into the person you have complained about. Also you should ask that they send a COPY of EVERYTHING to your MP.
    I will keep you all posted on any further outcomes

    Comment by Kenn — June 30, 2010 @ 6:58 am

  403. Here are some more useful names and contact numbers for you all
    BRIAN PEPPER – National Customer Relations Manager (no number for him BUT when you call atos as to speak to him (he will be in a meeting but ask to be called back))
    This guy is as far up the ATOS monkey tree as you can get)

    Rhian Davies – Customer Relations Manager
    Pat Burns – Customer Relations Manager 0113 291 2603

    Christine Hughes – Customer Relations Manager TEAM LEADER same number as above
    Mrs Grundy – Overall Team Leader – 0113 267 1831 / 0113 267 1832 (she is the one who FINALISES your complaint so in truth makes a decission on it.

    at some point they may say to you we dont know who owns the building so we dont know who owns the video when DWP buildings are not owned by the DWP most are leased by TRILLION MANAGEMENT so you can always tell them this

    John Coates Medical Services Manager for the DWP you can and should complain to him about ATOS his telephone number is 01253 611556
    here you go with a great little email addy this is for John Coates
    DWP.medicalservicescorrespondence@DWP.gsi.gov.uk

    make sure you put in the header for the ATTN of John Coates

    Comment by Kenn — June 30, 2010 @ 7:13 am

  404. Outstanding Kenn, can you post this information on the forum too? http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 30, 2010 @ 7:56 am

  405. Thats put the cat among the pigeons eh? Can you post this on the forum too? Fits nicely in the useful templates section http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 30, 2010 @ 7:58 am

  406. just copy and paste what you see here

    Comment by Kenn — June 30, 2010 @ 9:27 am

  407. Hi All
    Just an update on my complaint against the decision maker.
    My complaint has been passed from the jobcentre manager to the district manager who informs me that it will take three weeks to retrieve the papers relating to my claim from remote storage.
    My reply to this is surely if the jobcentre manager has been investigating my complaint all paperwork should be at hand. I wait to see what they have to say about this. I have also set a deadline with both the dwp and atos to resolve my complaint before i send my complaint to the chief executives office.

    Comment by A.J. — June 30, 2010 @ 11:39 am

  408. Hi folks here is my update of my complaint against both ATOS and against the DM at the DWP
    Fisrt my complaint against Dr Ranjan Chowdhary of ATOS
    Atos state that “We can comfirm that the Medical Report prepared by Dr Chowdhary has been found to contain “”Areas”” which do not meet our professional standards”.
    Dr Kaiper-Holmes (Consumer Relations Medical Advisor) “Also notes that Dr Chowdhary has nor recorded information on the type of seizure you have(which takes into account your “Away” siezures) How long it takes you come round after etc
    they continue
    “Please accept my sincerest apologies for the inconvience caused. I can assure you that we have advised the DWP office dealing with your claim of our findings”
    Next the DWP they have “Reviewd thier decission and have reversed thier findings that I scored ZERO Points and now find that I have scored 25 points and have increased my ESA from £65.45 pw to £91.40 pw
    I have asked them to send me the new score sheet

    My advice to any other suffer from epilepsy FIGHT and then Keep fighting and use your MP and any voluntary Organisation you can get to help you
    C.A.B
    Epilepsy Action
    SpeakingUp.org
    and if you want extra help call me on 07828129957

    you can fight the bastards and win
    Nil Iligitmum Non Carborundium
    Ta ar la anois

    Comment by Kenn Gordon — July 16, 2010 @ 12:24 pm

  409. You the man Kenn, you the man. This snippet of good news is inspirational and well worth reading. Congratulations on your success which proves persistance pays.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 17, 2010 @ 10:44 pm

  410. Is there anyone out there who has actually passed a medical???

    I had a medical last year and failed, I appealed and won the case in March of this year. Got money backdated. I have now been sent an appointment for another assessment, only 5 months after I won the appeal. This is the complaint I made: I waited over 2 hours to be seen-very limited seats available. No explanation or apology for being kept waiting. I found some of the questions humiliating and pointless. Hardly any reference was made to my condition. IN the past I have had a Heart attack and now have ischaemic heart disease, I was undergoing tests for peripheral neuropathy which has now been confirmed, also tests for blackouts and spinal & shoulder problems. Blackouts still under investigation and further investigations at the heart centre. Lets see what happens at the assessment this time. I will definately be taking someone with me as they blatently lied on the report last year.

    Comment by Frankie — August 4, 2010 @ 2:28 pm

  411. Yes there’s Bill, he passed a medical assessment with ATOS healthcare, go to the ” For whom the poll tells” page on the right hand side at the top and click.

    Read all about it on comment 262, it’s fascinating stuff, Bill wants to know what ”YOU PEOPLE” are complaining about, Bill had a lovely experience at the ATOS healthcare clinic, and Bill just happened to notice everything by the way, Bill noticed there was disabled parking, and the lovely decor, and they made him feel very welcome.
    And within a month the DWP informed him he is entitled to full benefits.

    I dont want to read it again, i’m just about to have my tea for gods sake.

    Comment by David — August 4, 2010 @ 4:09 pm

  412. OOPS just checked the right hand side and leads to a blank page.

    Dont worry if you want to read about Bills wonderful experience with ATOS healthcare then Google in ”For whom the poll tells” And click on DWP examination may 1st 2010, then scroll to the very bottom and click 272 comments.
    Do it later on tonight when your stomach settles..!!

    Comment by David — August 4, 2010 @ 4:22 pm

  413. I would, make sure they take notes and dont do anything which will make your conditionworse or cause you pain. If you do decline give the cardboard cut out your reasons for doing so. Good luck

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 4, 2010 @ 4:54 pm

  414. My stepson who has cerabela ataxia passed first time and the interviw/medical took just 10 minutes
    I was amazed after all my own trials and tribulations

    Comment by Kenn — August 5, 2010 @ 9:38 am

  415. Hi Kenn.

    Thats great news and saves your stepson a lot of hassle, IMHO it’s a disgrace your stepson should even be considered for a so called medical assessment, if he has already been diagnosed by a specialist, and his/her prognosis was cerebeller ataxia..!!

    Good luck in the future for your stepson, perhaps ATOS/DWP are reading sites like this and who knows maybe they are starting to get the message.

    Comment by David — August 5, 2010 @ 10:02 am

  416. Received my appointment today. I rang to request permission to film and record the assessment, after being put in touch with several people at different levels I was then given a “special telephone number” which is not normally given out, to put me in contact with the higher management(012 133 50 712)this number is for greater manchester. When I explained my request they seemed to go into total meltdown.They said that I may not be permitted to carry out filming / recording the assessment as it would require the Doctors consent on the day. I requested that they turn off their cameras, as I have not given consent to be filmed. I am awaiting a response from my request. They ended the conversation by saying that they needed to obtain legal advice and would get back to me within 24 hours. Will keep you posted.

    Comment by Frankie — August 5, 2010 @ 4:09 pm

  417. Thats interesting, when they get back to you ask them if they mind switching thier recording equipment in the waiting room and the examination room too. Dont be surprised if they say they are recording for “training purposes” if they do perhaps suggesting you are looking to use your recordings for “training purposes” may elicit further comments from them. Keep us in the picture.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 6, 2010 @ 2:02 am

  418. I have been told that any notes taken by me or someone who accompanies me can not be used for an appeal. Anyone know if this is correct?

    Comment by Frankie — August 8, 2010 @ 5:07 pm

  419. Doesn’t that make any notes OR WHATEVER THEY WISH TO CALL WHAT THEIR EMPLOYEE WRITES IN THE REPORT, also unusable? After all if notes done by the claimant cannot be used then then wouldn’t that make the LiMA report a waste of time because after all it is just a collection of notes, some computerised and some HCP added in a so called report. Also a police officer will make notes in a notebook and refer to them in a court case he has to give evidence in court, the court, as far as I am aware, always allows the officer to refer to his notes.
    I would just either take the notes on the day or tell them you will be using a mobile phone, digital recording machine and will forward a copy to the decision maker when you have got home and had a chance to TRANSFER A COPY TO CD or just tell them you are only prepared to have the medical as a home visit I believe that doesn’t go down well, and as they are on your property you should be free to record as you wish

    Comment by Dean — August 8, 2010 @ 11:42 pm

  420. They say this t everyone as a matter of course, take all the notes you like, afterall you are only trying to make a record of the roceedings. These notes serve as an aid to your memory and ATOS dont like it. I used my notes to help me make complaints against ATOS and the DWP. They cant tell you what you can and can not use your notes for, just dont take them into the tribunal marked ATOS examination notes in red ink. Liek I said they are simply there to help you remember what hapened during your examination, I have produced an assessment form and contact form on the assessing ATOS page, lots of people are using it and have said it has helped them to remember things which would have ordinarily been forgotten.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 9, 2010 @ 9:57 am

  421. Dont take any notice, you can take notes if you like, its your right, they just dont like it and do this to put you off. Use the form i have produced on the assessing ATOS page, loads of other people have used it and said it did help them to remember things which would have been easily forgotten. Use your notes to fill out any appeal form or to act as an aid to your memory. Check out our sister forum at hppt;//dwpexamination.myfreeforum.org for other horror stories and people in a similar situation.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 9, 2010 @ 10:00 am

  422. Makes you think doesnt it? use the form on the assessing ATOS page to help you remember the events during your “medical”. You can use these later to fill in your appeal and to check the ATOS official version when you complain about them. Check out our sister forum at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ for other stories and people in similar situations.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 9, 2010 @ 10:03 am

  423. Hi there chilblains…..:) I just thought I would check in and see how things were progressing since I was last here (back in early August) I wanted to say to any newbies here if you are having trouble with your Medical assesment or awaiting your ESA Medical or DLA Medical if you have a genuine condition dont worry if your ESA Medical gives the wrong conclusion APPEAL your genuine condition will ne in your medical notes held by your GP and or including Hospital records, On appeal you will most certainly win. I know that it is Bloody awful having to fight for what is ours by right. But you have to realise it is because of the F**King malingerers and fakers who have put us all in this position. The people who have milked a back pain for years and then go and work on the side lifting heavy gear all over the place or the likes of that. These are the people who have STOLEN our money from us and forced the Government into a situation whereby we end up with less money.
    I have never been much of one for GRASSING folks up to the SS in fact I really hate those that did this sort of thing. But in reality after the fight I had to get what was rightfully mine and again for my stepson. I now dispise these Benifit scroungers that force me by thier actions to beg for my benifits.
    The DWP are insensitive, ATOS are unprofessional and ill equipt to understand many conditions set before them. and the Government are misguided in attacking the poorest and most vunerable in the community.
    Attack benifit thieves and Take away all thier fancy goods that they have from stealing yours and my benifits or better still give it to US after all we really do need a bit of cheering up
    Nuff Said.
    Take care all
    Slan go foil………….

    Comment by kenn gordon — September 12, 2010 @ 9:09 am

  424. If you have a genuine condition, almost certainly winning is not good enough, and almost certainly winning is totally unaceptable, the point is… genuine claimants should not be put in this position in the first place, and their conditions shouldn’t be made worse with all the extra stress and uncertainty.
    Some of the Doctors sitting in these first tier tribunal are involved in private health, and anything but impartial, i know because they screwed me over and i had to go through the whole horror story again, without any income at all by the way.
    So i fought the second round and won, but i didn’t just disappear thinking i was safe, because i know they will be back, and back and back.
    And thats just one reason why i keep making comments on these sites, and always will, until ATOS are defeated.
    Because it’s not just all about me and my condition you know..!!

    Comment by David — September 12, 2010 @ 10:34 am

  425. ATOS & the DWP need to learn that when people are given medication they may suffer side effects, my epilepsy medication make me fall asleep and I can & do spend large amounts of the days & nights asleep often falling asleep in front of the TV or PC or sleep through the alarm until well past mid day, missed the F1 today :(
    ATOS & the DWP have set up the medical so that with some conditions it is almost impossible to get the points you should unless you can afford to pay out for copies of x-rays and your medical records at either your GP’s surgery or the hospital and then the HCP may not look at them.
    The specialist at the hospital told me that I shouldn’t be looking for work for at least 12 months, but to me if the meds are making me sleep all the time plus affecting my speech then unless this improves I cannot see myself been fit for work no matter what ATOS & the DWP say.
    As soon as I became single and registered with another GP they sent me to see the same specialist who didn’t want to operate on me 6 to 8 years ago but thought I should have the surgery done ASAP if a lung test proved OK.
    I don’t care how often I have to visit the Gestapo HQ as they will be informed that all verbal communication will be recorded, they may not like this but if it on record that the HCP saying that if the recording device is not turned off they will end the interview, then IMHO they are going to alter the report as they see fit, some HCPs may be better at altering reports, so that even a tribunal believes they are true to the medical, than other HCPs.
    I would then ask, while the device was recording, to show where and why someone cannot verbally record twisting what the HCP said so they eventually said it is in the TERMS & CONDITIONS of the medical then I would quote that it was unfair T&C’s
    If ATOS want people to not record and ask, NO TELL!! people who try to record with either a mobile phone or Dictaphone that they will stop the medical if they don’t stop recording should IMO say that if the HCP wants the recording stopped then YOU (the person called in for the medical) are of the opinion that the medical report may be falsified. Don’t forget the word opinion as an opinion is never wrong and if you look through medical reports then I believe the HCPs use this word when they want to discount what someone is saying or shows evidence to back their claims that what they are telling the HCP is true.

    Comment by Dean — September 12, 2010 @ 3:38 pm

  426. Back again….I joined here at comment 200.

    My home visit is today…. 1500-1600 hrs

    My DLA ATOS home visit was last Wednesday… DR Gareh …from Wales to visit 5 of us in East Anglia? No news on that one.

    Any tips on my visit with DR. Valado? Are they a Dr at all or just a glorified health care professional??? what does that mean?

    Comment by Claire — September 13, 2010 @ 6:52 am

  427. Have a witness, record the entire “examination” preferably with video if possible, dont tell the “HCP” that you are recording as he will run a mile and stop your benefits. The rfact you have a witness taking notes as the !exmination” proceeds should be enough for him/her to be put on thier guard. They hate it when we do stuff like this as it makes thier decision/opinion harder to maintain at the tribunal. Go to the assessing ATOS page of this blog where you will find an assessment form which your witness can complete, it should serve as an aid to your memory when you challenge thier report. Keep us posted and make noted of any phone calls you may recieve from ATOS or the DWP by printing the contact form on the same page. Good luck

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 13, 2010 @ 7:21 am

  428. Thought I would update you, since my joining these comments in early August. I went for my medical, my wife came with me and made notes. I did not hear anything so rang to find out what the outcome was. I was told that I had scored 21 points and that I would probably be recalled in 6 months time. I requested a copy of the report (still found some of the Drs comments untrue. So for now all is ok. Anyone konw for how long are you in the recall system? My problems will not improve , they will only get worse.

    Please note that if you are going for a medical the examination couch foot stool was actualy hidden under the Dr’s desk and not readily available to use, to help you get onto the couch.

    Comment by Frankie — September 15, 2010 @ 1:40 pm

  429. the step next to the couch at my medical in Pontefract was at least 12″ high and as I had to be woken to be asked if I would get on the couch, by the way I had no intention of getting on it before I even got there,I just looked slowly across the floor to the couch then at the step and put my head down as if to say I am off back to sleep. The examination the HCP carried out in no way needed me to be on the couch, lifting my trouser leg to see the definition and tone of the muscle, twisting the leg outwards while raising it about 2″ off the floor, then getting me to stand, aided by my daughter, while the HCP relieved me of the walking stick, to inspect the rubber and no doubt see how long I stood without it. As I am in severe pain whether I am stood sat or walking I decided to sit back down after around 20 second, this according to my daughter is when the HCP said my back problem was all in my mind, but not according to the back specialist who gave me 3 epidural’s in the 90’s before an x-ray showed that I had fused discs in the lower back, had I heard the HCP say that my back problem was all in the mind I would have hit her, or him it it had been a male HCP.
    When all the recent reports are that the government want the to reduce the number of people claiming ESA or DLA to me all the government are saying is WHICH SECTION OF THE DISABLED AND/OR ILL SHALL WE TARGET NOW? WHO IS LEAST LIKELY TO RESIST?

    Comment by Dean — September 15, 2010 @ 2:58 pm

  430. Back again….claire from line 200, 300, 330 and 428. Asperger’s Syndrome, Right Hip Reconstruction, Ataxia, IBS, Stress, Depression and diabilitating Anxiety on top of Agoraphobia

    Found out at 16.48hrs Monday 13th September 2010 that Atos Healthcare cancelled my appointment on the 17th August 2010 without notification?

    Even though I called on Wednesday 8th September and confirmed my HOME VISIT with Atos Rep Jennifer…Thank you Jennifer.

    So I now have to start again, new form, wait 3 months for another HOME VISIT and probably won’t get any back pay if I am scored or win the tribunal.

    They messed up and I pay…another 5 months of ESA without an ATOS score????????????? Having Social fund extract payments of £12 per week from my £65.45 contribution based ESA.

    The council do not consider the actual amount you receive and reduced my housing benefit so have to pay £50 per week from £98.00 total household income as hubby on JSA too. Hubby is my carer and I need to have someone with me at all times.

    I was so upset the anxiety, stress etc…it has caused ulcers?(NHS tests in progress) and gastrointestinal bleeding (so much blood,it looked like a scene from Carrie)for two days so far, stablized and back home now.

    I’m signed off for another 3 months, more meds and my Dr, Autism Agencies are livid, but ATOS are a law to themselves and will not listen to any of the specialists in charge of my care??

    Any suggestions?

    Comment by Claire — September 15, 2010 @ 5:50 pm

  431. He inspected the rubber on your stick to check the wear pattern, imagine if you had the tip replaced redently/ he would have taken this as evidence that you were faking it. He is not paid to examine walking sticks, he is paid to examine you, raise this with your representitive if you go to tribunal. This proves they are looking at every possible method of getting people off benefits.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 16, 2010 @ 6:49 am

  432. Contact your MP, these people are messing you about, maybe they think you will give up. Put them under pressure to meet thier commitments, they hate that, especially if they have to respond to an MP request. Also write to the manager of the local ATOS examination centre and complain about the way you have been treated, demand an investigation and an explination. Make them work, make them spend money, eat into the profit they are making from you as much as you possibly can

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 16, 2010 @ 6:53 am

  433. Maybe hiding the footstool is a new ploy in response to advice given on this and other blogs. I hope it was because it means we are getting to them. They hate blogs and forums like this as people who comment give information which is not readily available to thier “clients”. This advance warning system must be a real pain in the R S for ATOS.Keep up the good work.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 16, 2010 @ 6:56 am

  434. He inspected the rubber on your stick to check the wear pattern, imagine if you had the tip replaced redently/ he would have taken this as evidence that you were faking it. He is not paid to examine walking sticks, he is paid to examine you, raise this with your representitive if you go to tribunal. This proves they are looking at every possible method of getting people off benefits.

    dwp I got awarded ESA but for how long I don’t know the letter just said the money had increased from a certain date, my daughter put a request in for me on the 1st June and another in the middle of August for a copy of the medical report should they not send the report I am going to send in a SAR for all the info the DWP hold on me, both digital and paper, on every benefit I am or have applied to claim since I left school, and that will be one large pile of documents they will have to send, stretching back over 30 years from when I was a carer for over 25 years to my present situation, then wait for the DWP to screw up later on saying something along the lines of they are going on previous info they have about me, but by doing the SAR asking for all the info they hold on me I should also have the info and if I don’t then they are in breech of the DPA if they have withheld the info from me when first asked.

    Comment by Dean — September 16, 2010 @ 12:05 pm

  435. Make them work for the profit they are making from you, this will reduce thier income substantially if we all do this as a matter of course.Keep the pressure on them

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 16, 2010 @ 2:55 pm

  436. Dean Usually the length of the esa award is same as the recomendation the HCP puts on the medical report
    as you have not got the report you could send a FOI for the date the award is up to they sent me my date which was 6 months to the day of my WCA,exactly the same as the HCP’s recomendation even though my condition will not improve.

    Comment by ESA veteran — September 17, 2010 @ 10:46 pm

  437. When people pass the WCA or win on appeal they tend to think it is all over,this is not the case the DWP will require claimants to fill in a new esa50 when the recommended time scale set by the Atos HCP is up they will then determine if you should have another medical,it goes on and on an endless charade to remove you from benefits.
    Everyone who is lucky enough to pass or win on appeal should ask for a copy of their esa 50 and the medical report.If you fill in the esa50 word for word with the previous form and take the medical report with you to the new wca they will have a job denying benefit.
    Until of course they make the test stricter,in which case we will have the same battle over and over again.
    A sad but true senario.

    Comment by ESA veteran — September 17, 2010 @ 10:59 pm

  438. ESA veteran my daughter has put in 2 requests for a copy of the report after I have struggled to give basic details, answer questions, about myself over the phone, the answers to which my daughter could have answered. The time they give for the report to be sent was 6 – 8 weeks again so if I don’t have the report by the first week October then they are going to have to go through a lot of paperwork and computer files as I am going to request every bit of evidence they hold on me since I left school, over 30 years ago, then use it against them when they say they are using info from previous reports, as they won’t know what as hit them if they have withheld anything.

    Comment by Dean — September 18, 2010 @ 10:51 am

  439. to ESA Vet
    As you say SOME people will have to undergo repeat medicals to see if any temporary condition they may have improves. That said and done Folks like myself who have life long conditions (I have Atonic Epilepsy, Ataxia, and Arthritis)These conditions will not improve. My arthritis will get worse and Ataxia is progressive and degenerative. So unless they move the goalpoast (which is entirely possible looking at what the government is doing at the moment)Any future medical by todays standards I should theoreticaly fly through.
    On a comical note my partner was off work with a back injury for a short period of time (7 weeks) and during that time she applied for ESA due to the fact that she did not qualify at her work for SSP. ATOS inthier infinit wisdom along with the DWP arranged a medical for her (even though she was back at work by this time.
    Her appointment was on Wed at 3.45pm. At 3.00pm they called and cancled and said that they would rearage her appointment. We told them again that she was back at work. They said because she works 16 hours a week or less she still must have the medical for NI contributions…..
    OK well on saturday a letter from the DWP lands on the doorstep stating “Since you failed to attend your appointment on Wed…. Unless you can give good reasons we may stop your NI conts….
    As readers here will know I have fought both ATOS and the DWP and I won on both those counts.
    I tried to call the DWP dept but there was no one there on saturday
    so I called ATOS (armed with all the facts and due to previous battles the names of all the top brass at ATOS)
    So on behalf of my partner I laid into them asking how dare they cause my partner such stress and anxity. By failing to imform the DWP when THEY had cancled the appointment.
    I have demanded a FULL written appology from the person responsible and an explination of why once again ATOS Healthcare put peoples Health in jepordy….
    will keep you all up to date on any progress….

    Comment by kenn — September 19, 2010 @ 9:06 am

  440. Is it right ATOS are making 72 Million per year from this government program???

    How is that saving the government money?

    I have contacted my MP and hope it has an effect on ATOS.

    I requested a copy of my ES50, but DWP say its not available?

    Onwards thru another week, still recovering from the stress created by ATOS at least I have stopped heamorraging, blood tests, hospitals and panic….. five days on.

    Good luck to all

    Comment by Claire — September 20, 2010 @ 7:22 am

  441. As they got a 7 year contract worth £500 million then that is correct.
    I think that the DWP may be ignoring requests for forms that have been filled in especially if the request is made over the phone. I am on my second request for my recent medical report, done over the phone, and if I don’t receive it then I intend to fill in the subject access request form http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/request-for-personal-information.rtf print it out and sign it then send it to them in one of their pre paid envelopes, not only will it request a copy of the recent report but all the info they have on my claims since I left school both paper and computer, that would give them 40 days from when they receive it, roughly 43 days from posting as the prepaid envelope is first class and goes to an office that has no public access, it is also where the MED cert. was sent and they never said they didn’t receive them. So if they deny receiving an SAR in their own prepaid envelope then to me it seems they are selecting what they want to ignore, misplace, lose, erase evidence of, TAKE YOUR PICK OF THE OPTIONS

    Comment by Dean — September 20, 2010 @ 7:56 am

  442. They should be able to give you a copy of your esa 50 try a foi request to both ATOS and the DWP.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 20, 2010 @ 8:16 am

  443. I wonder how many med certs and complaints etc they “conveniently” lose eh? I bet that would make interesting reading?
    ?

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 20, 2010 @ 8:20 am

  444. I am now 60 years old & still on incapacity benefit – but thankfully I don’t seem to be called in for assessment these days (or will I be under Tory ‘reforms’?)
    I logged into this site to see if Atos were still conducting these examinations under contract from govt DWP…….I’m appalled/disheartened in our system to see from your contacts postings, that this is still the case.
    I was examined by them variously at Mansfield & Chesterfield over the years for genuine disability, and only once had my claim refuted – resulting in the long and stressful process of taking my case to appeal (6 months). Though I won my appeal, my research into the practices of ATOS & DWP assisted by CAB and my local MP revealed to me a frightening system that few believe operates within our country.
    The “benefits scrounger society” that is now as ever prevalent in our media headlines similarly concerns me.
    I am at least relieved to discover that your site offers help to those who genuinely have health conditions preventing them from temporary or long term work absence – affirmed by GP’s & hospital consultants, but dismissed by the stroke of a pen by a suspicious ATOS examination.
    Good luck to all who have a genuine reason to fight this disgusting method of assessment by non-NHS medics.

    Comment by Paul O'Donovan — September 20, 2010 @ 1:21 pm

  445. Thank you for your positive comments, why not check out our sister forum at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ where you may be able to help or comment on other peopl in a similar situation.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 20, 2010 @ 1:24 pm

  446. Any refusal of a copy of your medical report or ESA 50 within a reasonable timescale is libel to a complaint of maladministration which the DWP are legally bound to investigate,the excuse of these documents not being available or lost is no defence.The medical report is electronically sent from Atos to the DWP office dealing with your case therefore printing off a copy is simple.It goes without saying if they cannot supply a copy of the medical report the decision made on it cannot stand.
    Even if you pass the wca you should ask for a copy of both documents for future reference,one would presume if you get an ESA50 to fill in in the future filling it in exactly the same as the first one should result in the same outcome.
    Giving up on a claim should not be an option for any claimant,complaints eventually end up on the desk of people more knowledgeable of the ESA regulations,who are aware of the failings of Atos.You may feel you are getting nowhere with the front line staff but by being persistant it often pays off.
    Certainly the First thing to do when receiving an ESA 50 is to fill it in completely explaining your condition in full and at length adding all your other conditions even if they are not being treated by your GP.Print off a copy of the descriptors and use the wording in them to explain your condition,for physical claims you must use “severe discomfort” and chronic pain in your wording.Remember this ESA WCA is Flawed at this point in time using any means to get 15 points is the aim,if they eventually bring in a fair and reasonable assessment then is the time to follow the rules.

    Comment by ESA veteran — September 20, 2010 @ 7:01 pm

  447. To me it seems that the DWP will use anything to avoid sending a copy of requested info and if the DWP want to play it that way then if you know you have been on benefits for a long time then it would serve them right if people started sending in subject access requests for all the info the DWP hold on the claimant on every benefit they are claiming, if this is 30 to 40 years of paperwork it serves them right when if only if only they had sent that one report that was requested

    Comment by Dean — September 20, 2010 @ 9:28 pm

  448. Always challenge anything you think is remotely wrong in the examination, report or the alleged “Doctors” attitude, always appeal, always demand information the DWP and ATOS hold on you. Hit them where it hurts, right in the profit margin. Remember, you are a crucial part of thier business, you are a source of income, the more you cost them, the less profit they make from you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 21, 2010 @ 6:43 am

  449. Unemployment,Pensions Sickness and Disability are an Industry do not think anyone has any intention of changing this to any great extent.Look how many people are employed in this industry just to administer it,what would happen to them if there was full employment,private pensions,private health insurance.Add to this number such as Atos,A4e and all the other company’s supposedly finding work for people ,all making a fortune for doing nothing worthwhile.The DWP is paid for out of NI Contributions You pay their wages do not be afraid to make a request for Subject Access or a maladministration complaint,If they are not doing their job right let them know.
    The ESA WCA is not a legitimate test and everyone who is mistreated by Atos and the DWP should complain if they are able,some poor souls are unable to do this and it is our duty to fight for their rights.Every complaint counts the flood them out until they see sense.

    Comment by ESA veteran — September 21, 2010 @ 1:37 pm

  450. Just applied and worried about the medical.

    Been ill with ME for 14yrs but housebound for last yr. Not even able to get to have my Blue Badge renewed – also a yr out of date.

    How do I get on about a medical? If I can’t make it to the centre am I automatically refused benefit?

    Comment by welshbabe — September 27, 2010 @ 9:53 pm

  451. When they send you the letter tell them you want a home visit and don’t settle for anything less

    Comment by Dean — September 27, 2010 @ 11:34 pm

  452. Hi, you may well be entitled to a home visit, though this is dependant upon your condition meeting the ATOS requirements for a home visit. Try contacting the CAB or your Local Authority Welfare Rights officer for advice on the procedure. http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 28, 2010 @ 6:38 am

  453. I hate to say this to you my friend ME is a real difficult one there are some Doctors who are of the opinion that ME is just a PUT ON condition of those that dont want to work You might get lucky and get a Doctor who recognises your symptoms as genuine and in which case you will likely be fine for another year but be prepared for them to give you ZERO points and get ready for a protracted fight. This comment is not ment to upset you but to make you aware of the hell that is ATOS
    Good Luck to you

    Comment by kenn — September 28, 2010 @ 7:12 am

  454. Yes, forwarned is forarmed. Treat these people with caution, take notes of any conversations you have with them and if you do have to endure an “examination” take someone with you who can take notes. Good luck and keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 28, 2010 @ 9:34 am

  455. Thanks – no not upset – its just realistic – I know if someone is sceptical about ME you’ve had it – after all its always just your word against theirs.

    Didn’t realise they would do home visits.

    On a slightly off topic comment – did try to get my Civil Service pension and lump sum paid early (as you can through illness) – got Fr to visit house with nurse – then once he knew I’d not been on antidepressant said I’d not been actively seeking treatment – although my Dr never wanted me on them anyway as it knew it wasn’t depression! Seems they have a set idea in your head and they won’t shift.

    Comment by welshbabe — September 28, 2010 @ 12:43 pm

  456. ME is always difficult to diagnose let alone prove, doesnt mean to say it doesnt exist though. Some Doctors, mine included are reluctant to hand out anti depressants as they know the dangers associated with them. Its a bit odd that a Dr would form his opinion of your condition and say you were not actively seeking treatment based on the fact you are not taking anti depressants? Does he work for ATOS?

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 28, 2010 @ 4:34 pm

  457. Unfair too I might add.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 28, 2010 @ 4:35 pm

  458. No not ATOS -can’t recall who he was with now – done a few yrs ago. I was going to appeal and did write and complain but I’d have had to pay for a revisit which would have been £100s – so I just left it.

    Must have been his pet theory. My Dr won’t dish out antidepressants if you’re not depressed!

    Comment by welshbabe — September 28, 2010 @ 8:03 pm

  459. They are there to stop most tossers like me from exploiting the system from being “severe” for a short period during the exammination and walking round the corner to be fine. other small signs give the liars like me away,
    Its my tax what pays them benefits!!!

    Comment by Anonymous — September 29, 2010 @ 7:34 pm

  460. Your point being?

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 30, 2010 @ 6:40 am

  461. I have worked since I was 13 I am now 55 I got epilepsy from a Fall whilst serving my country (9 years in the military)I had my fall in 1981 when I was 27 I continued working til i was 53 (thats when I found my epilepsy was causing too many problems for me. So apart from having Paid my Taxes and fought for my country (3 war Zones) I still had to grovel and beg for what was mine by right. So dont try tarring us all with one brush. Instead try showing some support to those who have genuine conditions. WHY should we have to be turned down at the first hurdle and then go through humiliating processes and suffer severe poverty to get what we should have been given at the first point.
    They should read our medical notes and take it as read when a specialist gives a diagnosis.
    We have a strange situation here where a Nidwife,Physiotherapist,Nurse and Junior Doctors, can over-rule a Consultant Neurologist who has been treating a patient for many years. Its madness it is like a driving instructer handing out piolets licences.
    I agree there are malingerers stealing from the system. That is why they should use medical notes and iff in doubt get a second opinion from an independent specialist in the field of whatever the person is suffering from.

    Comment by kenn — September 30, 2010 @ 7:11 am

  462. KennI too have worked all my life 44years as you will well know working practices in our day were much harder than they are now.It doesn’t take a genius to see that the aged worker will have severe conditions due to their hard work.We have paid our dues and demands in full over the years and now we are treated like shit.
    The problem is people like Mansell Aylward and private insurance company’s such as Unum have for years been concocting the ESA WCA and creating the wording of it which is difficult to challenge,they have stock answers to everything IE it is not a normal medical therefore………. It is to see what you can do ……… Atos do not know the result of the assessment……..
    It is all smoke and mirrors meant to convince people who do not really come into close contact with the system.
    The training given to the HCP’s of all types must be some kind of mind control for I honestly cannot see how a true Doctor could carry out their instructions to lie.
    Also I cannot understand why the Medical proffession is not up in arms as it is their competence that is in question,I think there must be some directive from the Government/DWP to silence the GP’s and Consultants.
    There is no easy way to deal with either Atos or the DWP but we all must fight on,I will have to face my next interrogation in December and am already preparing I will never roll over to these people.
    As for the DWP they by law should immplement Government policy not form their own,I am convinced in some areas they are exceeding their remit,The Decision Maker failing to take ALL evidence into account before making a decision is one.
    I can only offer you my best wishes and support from afar Good Luck ESA Vet

    Comment by ESA veteran — October 4, 2010 @ 10:32 pm

  463. Having all the same problems as everyone on here , a fabricated report on my clinical condtion by a ” Dr ” employed by ATOS in Sunderland. just recovering from operation on My back, I am bloody angry at the report its complete lies.
    I intend to make a formal complaint and seek as much help as I can from my MP my Doctor who is first class and My legal adviser. anyone on here who can help it will be most welcome, I am disgusted at how I have been treated by ATOS and the DWP

    Comment by Macbadger — October 6, 2010 @ 7:49 am

  464. If you read thrugh the blog and our sister forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ you will find lots of useful information on the underhanded tactics used by the DWP and thier enforcement arm ATOS. Befre you do that let me welcome you to our world, its a world bereft of compassion, fraught with pitfalls and danger and completely unethical. You will find lots of useful information on the underhanded tactrics of the DWP and thier enforcement arm ATOS. We cant wave the magic wand and make everything allright, but we can offer the experiences and intellegence gathered by others in a similar situation as yourself. What you decide to do after reading what we have here is entirely up to you. If you read the blog you will find examples of the manner in which the sick and disabled are being discriminated against and the corruption which is endemic in ATOS and the DWP, who clearly collude to achieve one aim and thats to get you off Benefits.

    What do you do then? From now on keep records of every conversation or written communication you have with ATOS or the DWP, there are templates available on the Assessing ATOS page which will help you do this. Get help from your Local Authority Welfare Rights Officer or the CAB. Read the “Doctors” report and highlight any inconsistancies, lies and assumptions, take your time when you do this, you must challenge every point you feel is remotely untrue. Your advisor will help you with your appeal which you must make within one month of recieving the Decision Makers reply to you. Do not let them get you down, you will find support from like minded people here and on our sister forum, having fallen foul of ATOS you must now learn how to deal with them carefully and how to win at your Tribunal. Good luck and keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 6, 2010 @ 8:13 am

  465. Well ATOS have done it again…. Made me wait for a home visit, sent someone who never arrived…we called ATOS and I was told ATOS had CANCELLED my appointment with DR VALADO…no known person according to GMC website.

    I was asked to start again and complete another ESA50…got everyone to help again…Disabilities Rights Norfolk, My GP, MY Specialists, the link nurses and the Occupational Therapist…sent in the new ESA50…waited a few weeks and called to get an update.

    I found out the DR?? sent to visit claimed no one was at home? WE called from our home twice…once for confirmation of the appointment on 13/09/10 between 15-16hr, then at 16.50hrs as no one showed…my hubby even waited outside the property and questions a woman at 15.10hrs as she looked lost …she was looking for our neighbours address.

    ATOS sent my file back and claimed i’d failed??? NATALIE from ATOS said they had made a mistake and she would request my file back…so now my ESA claim has been open since 6 May 2010 it took 5 months for the home visit to be arranged and now it looks like it will be another 5 months.

    Any suggestions???

    I score over 210 on the ESA Test on http://www.benifitsand work.co.uk

    Comment by Claire71uk — October 9, 2010 @ 3:19 pm

  466. You were at home, your husband was looking otu for the “Doctor”, you called ATOS twice whilst waiting and they say you have failed because the “Doctor” claimed he/she could not gain access to your house? Unbelievable, they are saying that thier representative is telling the truth and you are lying. Talk about a Law unto themselves. I hope you kept a record of this cherade and persue the matter with the DWP and ATOS. wHATS MORE LIKELY IS THAT THE “Doctor” couldnt read or write English and got lost.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 10, 2010 @ 2:29 pm

  467. I attended Marylebone assessment centre. London, NW1 on Thursday for my esa medical.

    My GP requested a home visit but this was refused but a request to be seen on the ground floor because I am visually impaired and using walking sticks was granted.

    The center is in a busy road and the taxi I used had to double park away from the kerb. Local buses are about 5 minutes walk away but you need to cross the road.

    The entrance has a ramp or three narrow steps to the door which slides open automatically. A security officer station is directly ahead of you when you enter the reception area. The SO will point to the reception desk which is located on your left. The receptionists were pleasant in a functional way. You are asked for your appointment letter(which is returned to you), asked to sign a form for attendance and the one to claim fares back then told to wait in a very brightly lit waiting area. There are a few hard 70’s style office chairs but it is mainly low settees. There is a water fountain in the corner and a disabled locked toilet, the main toilets are upstairs. No drinks are allowed in the waiting area nor are mobile phones allowed and security will tell you off if you eat, drink or phone whilst waiting. There is no public address system and you are called and told where to go by receptionist. The main consulting rooms are on the first floor and this is reached by a lift. The receptionists will tell you the name of the person doing the assessment when you are called. Dr Morgan was doing some of the first floor assessments this week. There are cctv cams at regular intervals in the ceiling and all areas in the waiting area would be visible to the operator. Everybody attending between 1.10 and 1.56 pm was told there was 45-60 minute delay in being seen. No explanation was offered for delay that made sense. I was told that because I was being seen downstairs and there was only one assessor there would be delay but if I had been seen on first floor I would have had the same long wait! The scottish receptionist did ring the assessor and ask how much longer I would have to wait when I asked her for this info at the 45 minute mark.

    The Assessor called me in 55 minutes late. He held the door for me both when I went in and came out. The main part of assessment was questions about the info on ES50 form as expected. He typed away as I answered. The questions were about day to day things like using a knife and fork, having a bath, doing cleaning etc and how disabilities affect these. The medical included a eye test and testing on my legs. I was unable to get onto the couch which is way too high for me being only 5ft tall and on sticks, he did not suggest I try to use any steps to get on it. I suggested he lift me up to sit on it and he asked me to sit back on the chair and tested my legs and arms there. He informed me that the decision maker at DWP decides and I should hear within 2-3 weeks. I did ask him what his occupation was, he is an ex GP.
    He suggested I asked the receptionist to phone for a cab and although surprised that I asked her, she did do this but I couldn’t give the taxi firm my mobile number because clients are not allowed to use mobile phones in the waiting area.
    Again the cab had to double park. Traffic wardens were patrolling when I was struggling to get into the taxi

    I also noticed large boards advertising Jobcentre plus so this might be a shared building for interviews and things not just ATOS.

    Comment by JPowell — November 19, 2010 @ 11:16 pm

  468. Thanks for that, would you mind posting your description on our sister forum under the ATOS assessments forum? Can you keep us posted re your progress please? If you find you have been declared fit for work are you appealing thier decision?

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 20, 2010 @ 2:43 pm

  469. I am hoping that anyone going to this particular center for assessment is given a little info in readiness by my post. Perhaps you could add a link for my post above about Tresco house if you think it useful, on the other forum. I just stumbled on this page.

    I am not at all confident of getting points and was left feeling really demoralised by the assessment but will let you know the outcome

    Comment by JPowell — November 20, 2010 @ 6:41 pm

  470. Dont worry I’ll post it for you. The more informationwe have, the better.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 22, 2010 @ 8:06 am

  471. Back again….Claire from line 200, 300, 330 and 428 etc

    It has been a long, frustrating and terrifying haul…but we got there with this forums help…. Thank you

    I finally qualified for ESA with Support component and my DLA with Higher rate for both Mobility and Care … ALL backdated.

    My advice is go to your Dr immediately when you receive the ESA50 form and insist on the DR requesting a home visit due to Stress and anxiety…explain if it is the case that DWP are causing phsycal, mental hardship.

    Even though I qualified… I impressed at every step to anyone who would listen…that the DWP ESA/DLA and ATOS process was hindering/undermining my current, future treatment plans and exacerbating symptoms (DWP/Atos do not like to be mentioned/named and shamed in the reports, and from what I can tell they haven’t taken my complaints to my care team any further). This was repeatedly mentioned in my reports from my Dr and Occupational Therapist.

    My Dr, Carer/Husband, Link nurse, Disabilities adviser (good one to get on your side) and QUALIFIED consultants all agreed…when approached it even said that in their reports… I requested copies of everything .. they arrived yesterday. It is all very interesting to read. ATOS and lots of she can do things…but rebutted by Dr, senior consultants and specialists saying differently in my favour.

    Anyone approached is asked to complete a 7 box questionaire…very impersonal…no room for explanations or evidence.

    Main questions:

    1. Diagnosis of the disabling conditions (do not include minor transient conditions).

    2. Please give brief details of history of condition(s) stating whether they are mild, moderate, or severe, in your answer. Include details of any relevant special investigations.

    3. Day to day variations in the condition(s)(if any) including frequency and duration of exacerbations.

    4. Relevant clinical findings – for example, visual acuities, hearing, auscultatory findings, peak flow, range of joint movement, muscle wasting, SLR, reflexes, extent of breathlessnenss.

    5. Treatment – current treatment including medication and dosage, response to treatment including control of condition and prognosis.

    6. Please give details IF KNOWN, of affectsof the disabling condition(s)on day to day life:

    a) Self care – for example, washing, dressing, feeding, using toilet, continence. ability to rise from chair and ability to communicate.

    b) Insight and awareness of danger

    c) Ability to get around including pain, gait, balance, breathlessness, visual loss and communication difficulties

    7. Please add any further details you think would be helpful to the department when deciding on this claim

    *****************************************************

    The statement they sign is worded as follows:

    Thank you

    Now please sign and date your report

    I understandthat, in certain circumstances, this report will be released to my patient, their legal representative and any authourity deciding an appeal in relation to their entitlement to benefit. I also understand that only information that can be witheld is medical evidence that would be harmful to the person’s health

    ***********************************************

    I feel incredibly luck to have suceeded…although not out of the woods yet…with the insight here and being able to view peoples experiences I was able to get all on board and face TWO seperate home visits with TWO differnet HCP’s (only one was a practicing DR, the other a GP from Malta).

    Get help early on and NEVER attend a Medical Assessment Centre…as you seem to fail instantly…regardless of who attends with you.

    ….and the other ACE up the sleeve was the threat of media interest…spoke to the local news station and local paper got a name or two so my contact was verifiable. ATOS jumped to when they heard this.

    NOTE: Home visits can take 3-4 months to schedule (I kept calling until I received a date), but you remain on standard ESA and anything you awarded will be backdated.

    Once you have completed your home visit, request immediately a copy of everything using this form

    ************************************************

    How to request a copy of information held about you

    If you would like a copy of personal information held about you by DWP, please send or take your request in writing to your nearest DWP office (usually a Jobcentre Plus office). Please do not send your request by email.

    * Use the request for personal information form (61KB) RTF … http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/request-for-personal-information.rtf

    Or write and tell us your:

    * Full name
    * Full address
    * Date of birth
    * National Insurance Number
    * A description of the information you require (for example Jobseekers Allowance records).

    You will not be charged for this service.

    *******************************************************

    It’s a terrible system and I hope it is gone soon.

    SO until next time … GOOD LUCK TO ALL

    Claire

    Comment by Claire — November 22, 2010 @ 11:17 am

  472. That is the same form I sent to my local DWP BDC after 2 calls failed to produce the report, after sending that after the 19th week I received the same form back filled in with 1 paragraph, I complained the the DWP and got all the info they had on me EXCEPT the interrogation report, the score-sheet was there but not the report.
    After going through the papers several times I emailed the BDC again their reply was to ask for all my details expressly asking for a telephone number, I haven’t answered the phone in 8 months, so told them all contact should be by E-MAIL or LETTER, I bet they don’t like that.

    Comment by Dean — November 22, 2010 @ 11:48 am

  473. Well done claire, thanks for your support and you kind comments. I only hope the information provided by pur readers and commentators continues to help other disabled people fight back. Are you a member of our sister forum at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ if not, why not join and post your success story there too? it will serve as an insiration to other readers.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 22, 2010 @ 11:54 pm

  474. They wont, they want a phone number so there is no paper trail. Keep at it, you will win in the end.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 22, 2010 @ 11:55 pm

  475. Hi again,
    I did the review of Marylebone Assessment Centre where I had my ESA medical last Thursday. Today, I received the decision and I have been put in the WRAG. I am now awaitig details of the points I have been awarded. The assesssment was on the 18th Nov, the letter is dated 19th Nov, not the 2-3 week wait expected.

    The letter did not say how long ESA is awarded, so I rang Belfast and they said six months. ESA is reassessed on a six monthly basis. Then a form and new medical will have to be done.

    Today, on the news, the government have announced there will be changes to the assessment process. I can only hope it will be fairer and less harrowing for everyone.

    Comment by J Powell — November 23, 2010 @ 2:59 pm

  476. Thanks for that, I fear the changes will be those the Government intended to make anyway, I do not expect ATOS or thier methods to change at all except to get harder.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 24, 2010 @ 7:48 am

  477. Yes, I agree things will get tougher but we can all live in hope. Until politicians and the people who do the assessing appreciate there is more to disability and ill health to tick boxes on a form there is little hope of understanding.
    After reading the experiences of others applying for either dla or esa on various forums. I went to my medical pessimistic and expecting nil points, so relaxed a little whilst waiting and made sure I said want was important about ‘my’ disability. (After all I live with it, the assessor doesn’t). I know some doctors and even pathways advisors really don’t give you a chance to speak or listen to what you say when you do.(my pathways advisor is useless). That needs to change if disabled clients are to be treated fairly or helped into training and jobs if able to do either.
    I would go back to residential training tomorrow if I could walk and travel and get the adjustments assessed as required for visual sensory impairments. Instead I am stuck in my home with the walls for company. personal pain control being my main occupation, and I don’t even get paid for that.
    I wish all going through the assessment process the very best of luck and please don’t give up, distressing as all this is.

    Comment by J Powell — November 24, 2010 @ 3:57 pm

  478. I had a few medicals and appeals all failed, even one when id been out of hospital for a few weeks after having a spinal disc removed, one doctor even kicked my crutches away and shouted down my ear that i was anuther one of those scroungers, i was so scared i just sat there and let him carry on with the medical which i failed, i complained to my mp but she just didnt even bother getting back to me, my last medical i passed and the reason being was that there computers were down first of all , secondly i had a decent honest doctor, i explained to him this was a joke and i know i cant pass, he went on to explain that the medical exam is design to so it is impossible to pass it, because 90% of the applicants are fraudsters the 10% who are genuine get punished, he went on to say he was leaving his job because he couldn’t take it any more and some one should go to the press and expose this system ,he also said he could see i was genuine and that because the computers were down he would hand write my report and suggest that i am unable to work, what a stroke of luck ey? i then went on to receive full ESA. Then 6 months later i received a letter saying I’m due for a medical assessment haha there’s no escaping this crap :/

    Comment by mr invisible — January 4, 2011 @ 3:36 pm

  479. You are not alone, there are millions of disabled people out there in the UK who are having thier rights taken away from them by our own Government and thier enforcement arm ATOS Healthcare. check out our sister forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/index.php and you will find many people in a similar situation to yourself. We need your support to change the system.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 5, 2011 @ 5:50 pm

  480. This is happening daily now, the general public do not know what is going on and usually do not find out untill someone they are related to or know gets the trewatment. All we can do is raise the issue untill it becomes common knowledge, fight back by appealing and sending FOI requests to ATOS. Hit them where it hurts, in the profit margin. check out our sister forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and you will find many people in a similar situation to yourself. We need your support to change the system

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 5, 2011 @ 5:53 pm

  481. Anyone who has previously passed a WCA and is required to take another 6 months later must insist on a copy of their first ESA50 form and a new ESA50 form for the new WCA.
    Fill in the new form word for word the same as the first form with the addition………
    “An indication of the severity and function loss of my ongoing condition can be acquired from the xx points I was awarded in my previous WCA on (date),my condition has since become worse because of the stress caused by the unremitting need to prove my condition to Atos Healthcare and the DWP”

    Comment by esa veteran — January 12, 2011 @ 5:37 pm

  482. I will just do what I did with my previous visit, which won’t be difficult, I just went to sleep, I do most of the time anyway so why should I fight it to answer their questions plus one of the meds make it difficult for me to speak, I found this out after my daughter asked me a question one day and I suddenly found I couldn’t get the words out, sometimes just one word in the middle or end of a sentence but often at the beginning. I don’t think the ATOS HCP was too happy that she had to direct the questions at my daugher who accompanied me. The interrogation report stated both that there was no reason why I shouldn’t be fit for work then later that a return to work in the longer term is unlikely.
    ATOS & the DWP are like the school bully they will pick on those they see as weak and won’t fight back they will use any tactics they can from lying on the report to not sending out a report when you phone to request a copy of the report, this backfired on them when they didn’t send me a copy of the interrogation report after 2 phone requests, which is how most people request the copy f the report, I sent in a subject access request for all the information on all the benefits I had claimed since I left school, I know some f this may have been destroyed but the way I see it is if they then use information they haven’t sent to me that is covered within that period they have breached the data protection act.
    Also in the bundle of papers I received the DWP still left out my recent interrogation report so I informed the DWP BDC it was missing and if it wasn’t delivered within the 40 days from the date they acknowledged receipt of the request I would follow through with the action I said I would take in my original email, less than a week later I had the report and from a quick scan through I began to suspect why they didn’t want me to have the report.

    Comment by Dean — January 13, 2011 @ 1:06 pm

  483. My name is Michelle Stedman and I am part of a group doing an investigation into the reassessment of people for employment support allowance. We are postgraduate journalism students from City University London. We are looking specifically at how the ATOS tests are unsuitable for people with autism. The reality for people with autism is that the assessment seems not to be assessing ‘limited capability for work’ but rather, assessing only ‘capability for work.’Therefore applicants are scoring zero a lot of the time and being deemed ‘fit for work’ and loosing their benefits. We are looking for people in the London area with autism who would be available to tell us their story.

    Comment by Michelle Stedman — January 13, 2011 @ 4:20 pm

  484. Why not check out our sister forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 14, 2011 @ 10:36 am

  485. Thats the spirit, hit them where it hurts, in the profit margin.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 14, 2011 @ 10:37 am

  486. The only reason we are asked to attenfd another assessment is so they can exert thier power over us. Of course it is always wise to be as prepared as possible for the event.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 14, 2011 @ 10:38 am

  487. Since both my Atos health examinations at home and my DWP complaint regarding Atos, I have had failed benefit payments, DWP Customer Compliance visits (fraud squad) visit me at home with less than 12 hrs or no notice … should I be concerned? I have nothing to hide…just feel violated for claiming what I am entitled to…my ESA is contribution based.

    My ESA Atos visit by DR Valado…not even a gp in this country….managed to visit my home, claim I was not there and write a full report stating she had not seen any problems in my mobility…and closed my case…with much evidence and numerous phone calls a second home visit was arranged and Dr Larenti… Non UK practicing GP from Cyprus visited and according to that visit I was awarded ESA with support component.

    I will be due for another visit by Atos for a 6 month review, according to her reports?

    I did after much stress, letter writing and DR/Consultant reports, plus agency support… score enough to received ESA with support component and DLA with higher rates.

    I have completed a new esa50 word for word, as I requested my original directly from DWP call and ask or request a SAR via the DWP http://www.dwp.gov.uk/freedom-of-information/#how-do-i & http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/foi-req-form-feb09.rtf.

    Any advice anyone?

    Comment by Claire — January 14, 2011 @ 11:18 am

  488. I just had mine. The map/suggested route began with me having a 35 minute walk to the next village that has a bus service. Even though I have limited mobility. The total journey was estimated at less than 1.30 but was well over 2 hours. I found out there I should not have been expected to travel more than 90 minutes. They started the medical fairly on time. They seemed totally un-interested that I had a major operation less than 4 days from the medical that would leave me in a cast which I cannot weight bare on for 3 months.

    I took letters from my consultant, letters from the doctor and previous operation details. All of which they were uninterested in. Instead they proceeded to interrogate me about my personal and social life. These questions were nothing to do with mobility but more to do with my communication with others, relationships and how often I speak to my family. I was totally disgusted I am a fully qualified lecturer, I think I am able to communicate my point. The questions became so personal at some points I could feel tears welling up in my eyes. Then I was questioned about self harm and suicide. Up to this point in my life I had never contemplated it but felt closer to than any point in my life after this.

    The physical examination took less than two minutes and to be honest was ridiculous. To top it off they say if I am still offered ESA I will be expected to attend another interrogation whilst still in my cast. I have no idea how they expect me to get there.

    I expect to lose my ESA after that so there is no way I can go ahead with my operation next week as I might find myself left with nothing to live on during the recover period.

    Comment by Luke — January 29, 2011 @ 12:08 pm

  489. Hello Luke.

    First of all Luke, i know it takes a superhuman effort, but you should try not to look at this problem emotionally.
    This nonsense you have to go through is happening to thousands and thousands of ill people all over Britain, and is not a new Government directive or policy. No Luke this has been going on far too long, and we are all going to help each other put an end to it.

    Let’s look at it logically, the Government want the sickness benefit figures down, they dont care how they do it, they dont do compassion, they dont care how you or I feel, it’s not even about saving money, because if it was about saving money, they wouldn’t be giving their friends in ATOS healthcare millions and millions of pounds, when they could get the NHS to carry out the same work for a nominal fee. No Luke they are going to spend some money now and save some money in the future, for the moment, the figures are everything !!

    So as you can see Luke, their aim is to strip the benefit recipients down to the bare bone first, then privatise the GPs, then privatise the NHS, and they are doing it right under everyones nose.
    They dont even care if we know about it, they only care if we do something about it.

    And that’s what to do, do something about it, dont become a victim, and dont become a figure, fight them all the way, write letters to MPs and newspapers indicating you are on to them.
    Fight ATOS healthcare all the way, yes comply with their idiotic requests, but let them away with nothing, you say you might be in hospital and end up with no money coming in ?.
    Well i can tell you, and so will hundreds of others on this forum as well as other forums, that is just one of ATOS/DWPs dirty tricks.
    You can see it now cant you ? they are trying to sicken you in to bending to their will, which is to sign on for Job seekers allowance.
    Luke…dont worry about things you have no personal power to change, join us and fight ATOS, and let them do the worrying.

    I for one… decided i would rather starve to death first then let these bastards beat me.
    Whatever you decide to do Luke, i wish you all the best.
    And take care of yourself. http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by David — January 29, 2011 @ 12:50 pm

  490. Dont give in Luke, whatever you do you must appeal if they decide to stop your benefits. If you do find yourself in this position there is plenty of information here and at our sister forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and loads of people who will share thier knowledge with you. We cant guarantee success but we can tell you first hand what worked for us. If you do have to appeal I would like you to make several freedom of information requests too, especially to ATOS, this costs them money and eats into thier profits. They hate it when we complain about thier HCP’s too so if you feel you were treated badly in any way, get your letter of complaint off to your medical centre manager immediately, he has to carry out an investigation. Make thier lives as awkward and stressful as they make ours.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 29, 2011 @ 7:08 pm

  491. I’m self -employed in an ironing business of my own that I have run for nearly 5 years now. On 17 December I broke my leg by slipping in the icy weather and, as I pay self employed NI contributions I tried to find out if I could claim benefit for just teh 6-8 weeks I was off my feet. I have been given ESA and I have given myself a date to start back to work of 28th Feb (the monday after my final fracture clinic appointment). I know I’m going back to work, I just need a bit of financial help over this period of not-working. I can’t iron my clients stuff to a professional and commercially viable level whilst propping myself up with a crutch. I’ve been called for an ATOS medical and I’m fairly certain now – having read lots of the above comments – that my benefit will stop. It’s so unfair as I’ve been working since I was 18. I’m not trying to claim long-term, I just need a little short-term help.

    Comment by Amanda Causer — February 1, 2011 @ 11:18 pm

  492. Further to the above, I’ve been called to the Chatham centre. I asked how I was supposed to get there because it is some distance from where we live. I was told to use public transport. With a broken leg I am expected to hobble to the station, take 3 trains and cross 2 footbridges and hobble 15 mins in Chatham and then do the return journey – all in the space of time my kids are out at school adn be home in time for another parent at the school to drop them off to me. Luckily for me my appt has come through on a day that my hubby is off work and he is going to take me. Perhaps this is the wrong thing to do!! If I can get myself to the centre I can clearly be fit for work!! I probably could do a desk job but MY job is ironing and that is what I want to get back to.

    Comment by Amanda Causer — February 1, 2011 @ 11:23 pm

  493. Hi Amanda.

    First of all don’t panic, you say you have an appointment for a medical assessment, but haven’t mentioned the date of the appointment.
    So let’s assume it’s for the 14th of this month, then you only need two weeks from the medical for your start back date on the 28th.
    I’m also assuming you have been recieving ESA without problems up until now, if that’s the case if i were you i would attend the assessment and explain you are starting back at work on a certain date.
    You will be assessed BY ATOS and the DWP will be informed etc, and by the time the DWP barr you from ESA at least two weeks will have passed. (It was two months before the DWP barred myself from ESA)

    So you should be able to make it by the skin of your teeth (still get your ESA for a couple of more weeks i mean) without any problems, when you go to the assesment then, make sure you get that lift from your husband, on no account risk your health by hobbling all the way over there. They don’t care if you break your leg on the way there, they dont do excuses of any sort.

    It’s a catch twenty two Amanda, if you get the bus to the assessment you are fit for work, and if you dont turn up for the assessment you get barred on the spot for not appearing for your appointment.
    You are fortunate that you feel you can start back soon, make sure you explain all that at the medical assessment, and hope the DWP dont stop your money on say the 14th of February, leaving you short of a couple of weeks.
    Make it crystal sparkling clear that you are starting back at work as soon as possible and in my opinion you should be ok.
    If you can get an appointment with the Citizens advice they can help with more information, but i think you will find they will just tell you all this anyway.

    Anyway take care of that leg, and dont do anything daft like walking over there.
    And let us all know how you get on !!

    Regards.

    Comment by David — February 2, 2011 @ 8:46 am

  494. Joes right Amanda, dont panic. Tell you what though, a description of the centre would be useful especially if you can tell us about the nearest parking facility. Be under no illusions when you go in, get your husband to help you by opening doors and when sitting or rising, remember you are under observation from the moment you come within sight of the building. If you are interested I have produced an assessment form you can use to remind you of the events of the day, its available on the assessing atos page. The alleged doctor will try to tell its no use taking notes as they cant be used at a tribunal, its utter bollocks and anyway they are to help you recall the events on the day. Gwet your husband to fill it in, word is they are terrified of it. Also if you think your doctor has not got a reasonable level of english or you cant understand him her we would like to know about that too, if they try to bully you in any way, become agressive, or you feel thier attitude was unusual then make a complaint about the doctor. ATOS hate complaints as they have to investigate them, it costs them money and keeps thier admin staff busy thus hits thier prfit margin. We need to hit them where it hurts as they dont care a toss about us.

    Good luck, keep us posted and a full report would be greatly apreciated. You can post it os send it to me privately at dwpexamination@aol.com I will post a sanitised version minus any personal details. Also you can join our forum at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ its free and you will find many people like yourself there.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 2, 2011 @ 10:42 am

  495. Thank you for your advice and comments. I saw my GP today and she gave me a Sick Note dated to 28th February which is my Back-to-Work start date. Note sure if this carries any weight with the Benefit people. My ATOS assessment is next Weds, 9th. I feel lucky that I am not long-term sick and don’t need long term help like many others on this forum. I don’t think ESA is the right benefit for my needs but there doesn’t seem to be anything else available on the DWP website and this is the benefit that the Jobcentre Plus awarded me when I contacted them. I’ll let you know how I got on.

    Comment by Amanda Causer — February 2, 2011 @ 11:09 pm

  496. I hope you do, we need to bring this to the attention of the public. We are reliant upon the working population to support us in our time of need and have the greatest respect for them, its the government and the press who are psinting a grim picture of us. People must begin to understand we are protectingthier future entitlement to benefits and that f thier children, if we give it away now, what are they going to do when they become sick and old themselves. Please help us to spread the word it would be a great boost to us to have a workingerson on our side. Good luck, keep us posted and a full report would be greatly apreciated, also you can join our sister forum at http://www.dwpexamination.myfreeforum.org its free and you will find many people like yourself there.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 3, 2011 @ 9:55 am

  497. Further to my above posts about going back to work soon yet still being called for a ‘medical’, I am relieved to inform you that ATOS saw sense yesterday and have postponed my ‘interview’ until after my start-back-to-work date. When this new date comes through I am allowed to ignore it, if I am working. So, sorry you guys, no report on the Chatham centre. I am mighty relieved and hadn’t realised – until it was postponed – just how much it was weighing on my shoulders. I’m really sorry to hear/read all your appalling stories and I plan to contact my MP once I’m properly driving etc and can get to her surgery to let her know how the system works in reality. Thanks to you all for your supportive comments.

    Comment by Amanda Causer — February 8, 2011 @ 3:02 pm

  498. This is why we are here, to constantly challenge the present system regardless of the Government supporting it and to bring our situation to the attention of the working population. The present Tory led sham and the press have painted a pretty grim picture of the sick and disabled in the UK. The General Public remain unaware of our plight untill they come into contact with the system personally and find themselves being treated the same way. Please support us by putting a protest poster in your house or business window, help us bring this terrible situation to the attention of the general public by telling your friends and family about the way you were treated. We are trying to protect the Welfare rights and Benefits of our children, if things continue the way they are, there will be nothing to support our kids when they become to old, sIck or disabled to work, what happens to them then, the work house?

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 9, 2011 @ 8:40 am

  499. Thers alot of non-sensical scenarios and mis-information on this blog..They don’t give a monkeys at ATOS how you arrive or the cctv coverage but once they examine you in the room they are only interested in depriving you of your benefits not your ‘Disability’ and on this basis they figure out which part of ESA you’ll not recieve..WRAG OR DISABILITY it is all a con..its as simple as that!!!! anything else is just dreamt up by bloggers to justify there reasons for being turned down, plain and simple.Basically if you can use a computer(email blink etc) you can work.Its not complicated.

    Comment by Dick — February 16, 2011 @ 12:39 pm

  500. Oh and by the way you don’t have to visit an ATOS medical centre they will visit you in your own home if you request this…..no other story’s neccasary!!!!

    Comment by Dick — February 16, 2011 @ 12:53 pm

  501. How do you know ? what do you know about ATOS ? Have you been for an ATOS test ?, because if you have why are you working ? and if you haven’t then why are you commenting on things you know fuck all about ? Let me put you in the picture DICK (Your aptly named by the way) they dont figure out how to put you on the WRAG,they figure out how to put you on JSA, where you need to be 100% fit for work.You seem to have plenty of time at your work DICK, plenty of time to go trawling through the net, SPREADING DIS-INFORMATION.

    Perhaps your not doing very well in your line of business DICK, hence your free time, I just hope you dont fall seriously ill, because when you go for your ATOS test and they find you 100% fit for work, which they will do, unless your a head on a cushion, or totally brain dead that is.
    And you have to sign on for JSA (or starve) only to be told you are to ill for JSA could you please apply for ESA.
    If that ever happens to you DICK, then get right back on this fucken blog and apologise to the people who are relating their true experiences at the hands of ATOS slimecare, get back on here and apologise for insulting them.

    Comment by David — February 16, 2011 @ 1:09 pm

  502. Why dont you go back to surfing kiddie porn sites Tusker, I am sure you will find them far more interesting than this one.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 16, 2011 @ 4:52 pm

  503. I work for ATOS and i can tell you i was on ESA wrag and found a job with them….I’m in a wheelchair and in constant pain every day, ok I admit the Doctor lied on the ESA 85 and I got zero points, but hey each man to himself as long as i’m alright, i dont care about other peoples problems, i’m only interested in myself, but am able to work part-time in there Admin section…i was lucky i found a job. So don’t start spouting your half-truths to me, please.The test is about ‘capability’ not ‘disability’,If you can blink then your capable of some sort of work then you go on WRAG if not they sign you onto disabilty but if you are perfectly able to work you go on JSA. Lets get that one straight,read the statement in the ESA guide book.As for ‘kiddie porn’ i read it every day, but if thats what turns me on i will carry on,i have other things to do as well even though i’m disabled. Look for a job you might enjoy it..worked wonders for me and a better social life now.Stop ‘making a mountain out of a mole hill’,eh.

    Comment by nick — February 16, 2011 @ 5:31 pm

  504. Ah… so that’s what has your back up, you know we are telling the truth, and are worried ATOS are exposed (and it will be exposed sooner or later) as the criminal organisation that it is.
    And therefore you will lose your tea boy job, dear o dear that’s sad, so very sad. You say you dont care about other peoples problems well that just about sums you up doesn’t it ?
    No you dont work in admin tusker, nick, dick or whatever it is you call yourself, I know this because you can’t spell, and your sentence construction is extremely poor, moreover you use a small i when on it’s own.

    Now please go away and raffle yourself, because quite frankly you are extremely boring and I have a life to lead.

    Comment by David — February 16, 2011 @ 5:48 pm

  505. How petty you are.Apologies for not using spell checker..So thats your problem your an Antagonist.Times have to change and dinosaurs are extinct..so get used to it,kind sir.If you don’t make an effort now you will be sweeping the streets for your benefits,real die-hard..eh. If you spent less time talking out of it as you do sitting on it your life would be a whole lot easier.’Go with the flow stop pushing against the tide’..Benefits are not for life just to help get you into the next phase of employment.I’m happy doing my ‘teaboy job’ as you call it…Atos are just an agency of the Government..’you have to be cruel to be kind’ theres nothing criminal about it…the only crime is letting people ‘fester away’ with no social responsibility and playing there part in society.Have a nice day.

    Comment by nick — February 16, 2011 @ 6:22 pm

  506. Yes i have been on an ATOS test…seems straight forward..they ask you few questions check your reactions to limb movements and send you on your way..20 mins..then i was awarded o points and told to find a job. Whats so complicated about that?? horrible doctor too,very obnoxious and unobliging. I’m sick with worry and all this ATOS nonsense is just driving me round the twist, sorry dont mean to rant, I just feel I can’t take anymore…Those who are really disabled have a lot to worry about….the DWP stopped my money as well, the DM phoned me up and said we know how to deal with your type and slammed the phone down…my rent has stopped and i’m being made homeless as well. So much for Camerons britain and we are in it together.

    Comment by nick — February 16, 2011 @ 6:31 pm

  507. Get behind thee Nick, spawn o satan, for thy is an abomination to thee, the lord will smite you with his rod !! Ha Ha Ha.

    (PS) I don’t need a spell checker, neither should you, drongo breath.

    Now I will not tell you again, buzz of, or you’ll feel the back o me hand.

    Comment by David — February 16, 2011 @ 6:32 pm

  508. You brute..like to slap people around a bit eh,maybe you can work the health specialist over at your next visit..get a spell inside and still get your benefits credited to our account….lol..god bless you.

    Comment by nick — February 16, 2011 @ 6:40 pm

  509. By God when I find out who you are, you can be rest assured, I will horse whip you Sir…LOL.

    Comment by David — February 16, 2011 @ 6:45 pm

  510. David I’m so sorry for my abusive comments, your absolutely correct in everything you have said so far, I’ve no excuse for this disabled bashing, good god David I must be out of my mind……….sorry.

    Comment by nick — February 16, 2011 @ 6:51 pm

  511. It’s two eggs up on whisky toast, french fries on the side, you wash it down with ATOS Nick’s coffee that burns up your inside.

    Comment by David — February 17, 2011 @ 7:40 am

  512. A poet and he did’nt know it!!!!! Trebles all round at the pub tonight.

    Comment by nick — February 17, 2011 @ 10:10 am

  513. A life on benefits will no longer be an option for people after a shake-up of the welfare system, Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith has said today.

    He said job vacancies will no longer be filled by “foreign workers” while “millions” of Britons stay on benefits because radical welfare reforms due to be unveiled by the Government will not provide financial incentives.

    Mr Duncan Smith is to launch the Welfare Reform Bill at an event in London with his boyfriend Prime Minister David Cameron.

    The proposals include replacing most existing benefits with a universal credit – designed to ensure people are never better off when they are employed, and close the loophole where some couples receive more living apart.

    Those who refuse to take up job offers face losing their handouts for up to three years, and there will be tougher sanctions for fraud. It’s every man jack for themseleves now, but i’ll be all right because i’ve got a job, The Prime Minister will also announce moves to tackle the UK’s “sicknote culture”, pointing out that 300,000 people leave work and claim sickness benefits every year.

    Mr Cameron says he doesn’t give a monkeys for the disabled and ill, and warns that people can no longer be trusted to claim only the benefits they need, saying a “standardised” system of sickness and unemployment handouts was sustainable after the war because people felt “shame” when they abused it.

    According to Mr Duncan Smith, the new benefits system will be simplified and result in nearly a million people being “thrown in to poverty” and around a million of the poorest Britons seeing decreases of £25 a week as they return to work.

    “A life on benefits will no longer be an option for somebody. After all, right now there are huge numbers of people sitting on benefits, sometimes in rented accommodation that people who are working could never dream of affording,” he said.

    “That system has got to change. Fairness to the taxpayer as well.”

    Mr Duncan Smith also announced that controversial proposals to cut Housing Benefit by 40% for anyone on Jobseeker’s Allowance for more than a year would be increased to 60%o from 2012.

    Comment by nick — February 17, 2011 @ 10:24 am

  514. I have to confess Nick, it’s not entirely original. It’s from Jerry Jeff Walker and the Gonzo Survivors-Navajo Rug-live 1991.

    Available to watch and enjoy on you-tube.

    You will notice a stupid looking bastard playing a guitar on the left hand side of the film.
    He has a suit on and a cowboy hat, and the trousers (GET THIS) are tucked in to the cowboy boots.
    Just kinda reminded me of you bud.

    CHEERS.

    Comment by David — February 17, 2011 @ 10:28 am

  515. I just watched it, and it’s absolutely fantastic, thanks for that.
    Hey your right how did you know that guy with the cowboy hat looked like me ?

    Comment by nick — February 17, 2011 @ 10:36 am

  516. Mr Ian Done-in Smiff better watch out then, he may be done for racism.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 17, 2011 @ 10:48 am

  517. It is! its Tusker, if you look close his zips down too.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 17, 2011 @ 10:49 am

  518. Ive sent his IP address and statement re working for them to thier head office today, I wonder what they think of this comment?. Let scum deal with scum.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 17, 2011 @ 10:58 am

  519. Don’t be silly this is my real name and the email is not a redirection. The I.P address can be traced as i’m using the ‘Tory’ Browser program…please don’t report my IP number to the DWP fraud squad, I wont annoy you all again…I promise…!! Please al be good.

    Comment by nick — February 17, 2011 @ 11:15 am

  520. They’ll probably have a good laugh at DWP,liven up there dull days in the Admin section……80.237.155.110 ‘Tor’ lol

    Comment by mick — February 17, 2011 @ 11:29 am

  521. Must be handy that mind, especially when you are watching kiddie porn.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 17, 2011 @ 1:28 pm

  522. This man Nick, Dick or whatever his name is should be stopped, this criminal is the lowest type of pond life imaginable, you know what they do to his type when they get them in to prison !!

    Comment by David — February 17, 2011 @ 2:03 pm

  523. Very kind of a receptionist to school us :P lucky he has a visible disibility/illness! I wonder if ATOS would give me a job considering I can’t leave the house. (Maybe I could write angry blog comments on their behalf as that seems doable.)

    In fact, I’m tempted to apply and see what they say!

    Comment by Anonymous — February 18, 2011 @ 2:17 am

  524. Can’t leave the house or won’t leave the house?? we can send a pick-up for you to ferry you to an office or call centre ..your skills on the computer are quite satisfactory…you passed the ATOS test…welcome to your 16 hours contract.

    Comment by mick(paddy) — February 18, 2011 @ 10:02 am

  525. It’s nice to know that working at Atos doesn’t affect your prejudices. :) Or maybe they are required for the role.

    Comment by Anonymous — February 18, 2011 @ 4:51 pm

  526. Regarding comments 525 and 527.

    I see your sentence construal, your grammer, spelling and basic all round construction of the English language has improved immeasurably over the last twenty four hours Nick.
    Take a pat on the back, you have even used a capital I whilst being used on it’s own.

    I believe it’s about time you extricated youself from that tea boy job with ATOS healthcare, and set your sights a little higher, and I recommend that administration position with the company you have always dreamed.

    I believe they pay the basic wage, which is less than £6 per hour, a fourty hour week will almost certainly be offered, but all overtime will be on an unpaid volunteer basis. Incidentally a refusal to work extra hours will not be an option. They have excellent canteen facilities at the nearest working mans hut to the building, as well as a water cooler, were you can stand around spouting the crap you talk to all your stupid friends.

    (PS) If your a good boy, and work hard, the manager may even give you a little pat on the bottom.

    Regards.
    David.

    Comment by David — February 18, 2011 @ 5:51 pm

  527. I am not ‘nick’ :/ I was just being sarcastic in his direction. :(

    Comment by Anonymous — February 18, 2011 @ 9:16 pm

  528. Apoligies, I thought it was Nick back on after some lessons in spelling etc..!! Cheers LOL.

    He claimed he works for ATOS in admin, but you will notice he can’t even string a sentence together, somehow I don’t think so.

    Comment by David — February 18, 2011 @ 9:52 pm

  529. No probs! :D

    Ah this Atos stuff has been bugging me past couple of days though. Reading all the stories in comments here worries and frustrates me! I had a medical a few months ago and was deemed fit to work even though the report I got back didn’t really resemble anything I said, and the Atos ‘doctor’ (I have no clue of their qualifications) asked questions in a vague and misleading way. I think there were a total of two questions about my anxiety, and it was as if she ignored the stupid form I had to write!

    Problem is :( that I don’t want to be on benefits forever. I loathe this idea put forth by the press and the likes of ‘nick’ that people are scrounging – sick people don’t deserve that treatment, many paid taxes and all that stuff. But I’ve had agoraphobia/anxiety/depression on and off, well, forever, without any help for it! I even tried to get counselling when I was younger and on Incapacity Benefit, and got refused! (“Sucking it up” and “getting over it” don’t work – I’ve ended up in a worse position than I was before I got a job.) Stupidly, having to appeal against Atos makes me so anxious it becomes harder for me to GET help I need to get better and get a job again! Have only just started getting assessed for counselling, even though I’ve been trying since April last year. Ironically, Atos are keeping me on benefits longer by causing my anxiety to worsen (to the point where I went back to being suicidal again for a few weeks, and couldn’t bear to open the front door. Try getting to the counsellor when you’re stuck).

    The entire time I’m on benefits I feel like some second-class citizen! Will I be judged as a scrounger if I get a haircut, or buy a second-hand videogame, or a book? Meanwhile Atos staff are whining that £14,000 a year is not enough for them to live on (and the fat ones who decide people don’t need benefits are getting £60,000 according to their job adverts.)

    It’s annoying because my problems aren’t as bad as a lot of people (and I will be able to go back to work eventually) and yet I still feel completely powerless and lost! I really wished I had looked into the medicals more before I attended mine, but I’d assumed it would be like the previous one I had to get onto Incapacity Benefit years ago (in 2003 it would have been) in which I was able to describe my problems in my own words, and it was nice and simple. Hey, it lasted less time than this Atos one, but the doctor did a better job in assessing me simply because I could describe why I couldn’t work. (I wasn’t asked any questions about depression or self-injury or anything like that by Atos.)

    And URGH don’t get me started on how stupid it is to judge someone by how they are dressed. :/ I am neurotic enough that I HAVE to dress well and shower, :D else I can’t stand the thought that anyone would have to look at me!

    (Note: it is very easy for me to sound confident when writing :D but in person, I get so anxious sometimes that I can’t even speak to my housemates! Yes, I have to e-mail my housemate to ask him for things when I can’t speak. :D I hate it – it’s not as if I choose this! I feel like a faker because it’s a mental health issue, but there’s nothing I can do to stop it. I’ve worked and it was awesome! I miss it so much, so why on earth would I want to be stuck in my house living on this pittance the government may or may not give me if I had any choice?)

    Comment by Anonymous — February 19, 2011 @ 1:48 am

  530. Iv’e took on board what your saying, all I can say is this, first of all, the people who comment on here and the sister forum (you will find it on the top right hand side, just click on and start reading) are all in the same boat, we have all been lied too and cheated by ATOS slimecare.
    Since everyone has been getting a raw deal with ATOS, and virtually no one has had an assessment and passed, unless your brain dead and put in to the support group.
    Then it strongly suggests a policy of figure manipulation, and since ATOS healthcare are being paid around 100 million pounds a year, then logic tells you it can’t be about money.
    Yes it’s true ATOS are telling lies about you for remuneration, but the Government dont care about the money, but they care about the high volume of sickness benefit recipients. A case of you scratch my back and we will scratch yours.
    This was all planned years ago (1996)by representatives from the Blair new labour outfit, and the tories (Dont let anyone kid you, New labour=Tory) and was to be put in to operation in 1997 by whoever won the election that year.
    But a spanner was thrown in to the works, Blair got cold feet (realised it was a vote loser) and decided to postpone it, and introduce the policy gradually. but only when he had milked the country for as much cash as possible before he went.
    That’s the reason the year 2008 was picked to start instructing the ATOS/DWP to get the figures down by any means possible, (when he was on his way out, and brown was on his way in) lie, cheat and fabricate medical assessments, just do what it takes and get those figures down, dont worry about the legal implications, we will protect you with the help of the press was the tacit message.
    There then is the reason why ATOS can lie and betray the medical profession, as well as the people of this country, they have no fear of prosecution.

    Go to the sister site and learn all about it, and dont forget this vilification isn’t personal it’s business, and an ideological crusade against the poor and unemployed.

    There’s not a lot we can do about that at the moment (perhaps we can cause the Government problems in march, leading up to may) so protect yourself and take the advice of people with experience in ATOS slimecares methods.

    This piece of trash NICK, DICK, TUSKER, OR whatever he calls himself is a selfish idiot, who decided to come on the blog/forum to spread dis-information, a low-life with no past, present or future.
    Probably was on the sick and lost his appeal because the panel realised he was a faker, hence the reason he’s on here spouting rubbish. I believe scum like this should always be challenged, we must never allow his type to spread lies about us.
    The sad thing about this guy is he’s too stupid to see we are fighting for his rights too (The Government are talking to him as well) but all he can do is come on here and have a laugh, dont get me wrong I like a laugh too, but not this way, not Nick’s way.

    He knows about ATOS slimecares methods, he knows about the stupid points descriptor system, and he knows what ATOS are all about, which strongly suggests to me that he’s been through the ATOS process as a customer and was found out for the piece of scum that he is, it’s the Nick’s of the world who got us in this position in the first place.
    That’s why we must always challenge these people, never allow them to spread their filthy lies, he’s on other pages as well, look at the way he expresses himself, on one page he said something like this, littered with spelling mistakes ” The docter was very oblaging and nice, he fuond me in fit fur work, and now im receevin a good benefits”- This man is a criminal lunatic, and should be in a padded cell for his own safety, as well as the safety of the public.
    Anyway take care, and dont forget to go on the forum (where Nick is banned, by the way) dwpexamination. myfreeforum.org Cheers David.

    Comment by David — February 19, 2011 @ 8:07 am

  531. Well i have checked my commants again on this blog,you say that i mis-spelt certain words…incorrect they are spelt correctly maybe you need your eyes retesting!! as for grammar i know i am not perfect but i know what i want to say and am able to articulate eloqoently.I am not a criminal or a lunatic and the only padded garment i possess is a duck down jacket…sorry to disappoint!!Intelligent people would take note of the comments and not try and barage me off the site just coz they don’t like whats being said..thats what Mubarak did and look where he is now…times are changing and you will have to change too.Benefits are for hardship not for life,you gotta fill in the gaps to help yourself.

    Comment by mick — February 19, 2011 @ 10:44 am

  532. Go back up and recheck, and you will notice some basic mistakes in your so called articulation.
    Let’s see, what have we got ? It should be misspelt not mis-spelt, it should be I not i, comments not commants and the word is barrage not barage, and what else is there ? it should be that’s not thats, and because not coz, and you even spelt eloquent incorrectly… you moron.

    There’s more in there, but I can’t be bothered trying to get through to retards, with no past, no present and no future. It would be acceptable if like myself you were ill. And to make matters worse, you have nothing whatsoever to contribute to society.
    Your so stupid, you didn’t even notice my deliberate spelling mistake on my comment 528.

    Should have gone to spec-savers…ASSHOLE.

    Comment by David — February 19, 2011 @ 11:59 am

  533. I attended for an Atos examination at their Bangor, Gwynedd office in Wales. The offices are located in the old DWP building. I’m not sure parking facilities but inside there was the obligatory cctv camera watching attendees.
    I appealed against the decision to stop my IB and the low number of points awarded to me. I did not recognize the description of me given by the foreign doctor who interviewed me. He described me in the report as “enjoys gardening” – I have 2 TINY concrete yards, I DONT HAVE A GARDEN !
    Thankfully I received advice from Citizen’s Advice and the panel at the Tribunal I attended found in favour of my appeal.

    Comment by Anthony — February 19, 2011 @ 5:54 pm

  534. Well been a few weeks since I posted my experience with the ATOS examination. I have struggled to get to a computer and complete my update but here it goes. Just to outline briefly I was called in a week before a major operation. This has now taken place and there have been a few complications so I am still in hospital. ATOS had all the information about my operation and the 9 month recovery/rehabilitation.

    Guess what, ATOS have found me fit enough to attend a Work related activity despite being in hospital. They have very generously given me more money on one hand, but threatened I will lose everything if I don’t attend!!!

    What the hell I haven’t even been discharged yet and will be in a wheel chair for the next 5 months!!

    Comment by luke — February 19, 2011 @ 6:48 pm

  535. RE: 536 Have someone call them and you can request your dr’s make your excuse. Provide a letter of authourization if needed.

    Claire from posts 200, 300 and many others

    I have just come out of hospital and have found a 6 month review request, luckily I have been consistant in requesting home visits from everyone. I have received a home visit from a Compliance officer, who said they felt it was a petty effort to find me in good health … ha!

    I can breathe for the moment, but can never rely on payments of ESA with support component as they regularly forget to process them??

    At the moment in a heated battle with local council social services for care and direct payments.

    My diagnosis has been updated as I have had a few more assessments. I do not have Asperger’s Syndrome, but am Autistic-NOS. I have Uraemia – kidney failure and I have spondylosis with spinal stenosis. I was hospitalized for discitus – infection of discs in spine

    The local PCT have opened an investigation with my complaint regarding lack care from CMHT and mis-diagnosis/harmful un-necessary treatment including excessive benzodazipines was addicted.

    I feel I am a great example of unlucky when it comes to government systems.. they always lose my paperwork, forget to process it or process it wrongly. As I am not visually disabled if I am sitting on a chair or in a car, but I am a human being with rights and a brain.

    I wish the folks here and going thru the assessment phase the best of luck, and check back here regularly as there are valid insights and experiences often, many with solutions to frequently asked questions.

    It’s good to know you are not alone in the DWP’s percecution of Disabled and Sick, and there is light at the end of the tunnel.

    Comment by Claire — February 19, 2011 @ 10:07 pm

  536. Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002177166941

    After Atos is a site given over to collecting the true facts, statistics and experience of disabled people going through and being assessed by Atos Healthcare through their ESA Medical Assessments.

    Many facts and stories appear everyday about the Atos assessment and whether it is helping people back to work and off benefits or whether it is causing undue distress and harm to disabled people and people with long term disabilities and even terminal illness.

    The fact is, that no one know the facts. Despite nurmerous attempts by both professionals, concerned MPs and various members of the public and charitable and care support bodies no one in government or at Atos is willing to give the facts about how many and what type of disabilities are being assessed by Atos, what type of disabilities are being assessed as fit for work. how many of these assessed for work have gross, complex, permanent and even terminal illnesses or what effects these assessments and their results are having on people’s lives, their carers and their families. No one has got or been able to supply the most important facts. The facts of whether it is doing harm or doing good.

    After Atos Assessment has devised an on-line survey for those who have gone through the Atos ESA Medical Assessment to complete. It is confidential and all personal information shall be kept private. But the information will be used to provide facts and statistics and give personal witness accounts of the Atos assessment on its customers whose welfare it says it is there to support and promote the most.

    FILL IN THE AFTER ATOS ASSESSMENT here and help by passing on to others who have gone through the Atos Medical and want their experiences and witness to be recorded so it cannot be avoid and canot be denied:

    Comment by After Atos Assessment — March 24, 2011 @ 2:56 pm

  537. Excellent site this, really does highlight the trikery being used.Today 4-4-11 the radio, papers,tv is all on about what a bunch of scroungers most of us are and letters are being sent out to all.My advise is learn all you can about this assessment’Don’t be tricked and don’t try to do anything your not up to.Take someone with you!! Get a cab right up to the front door as it sounds like most entrances are deliberately positioned for deliberate awkwardness.

    I shall follow this site from now on.

    To the site owner… well done my friend.

    Peter

    Comment by peter — April 4, 2011 @ 7:52 am

  538. Hi Peter cheers, have you seen the Guardian article, dated 1/04/2011, a whistleblower has confessed that the DWP really do trick people out of their rights to benefits.
    Most commentors are appaled, but there is one or two members of the public reading the Guardian still in denial !!
    Dont forget to check out the new forum below.

    http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 4, 2011 @ 10:33 am

  539. Hi Thanks dwp

    I have joined the forum and had confirmation of my password and username but when I try it…says incorrect ???? Or does it take a while to activate? It was in the last hour or so I hit the link to say confirmed.

    strange

    Comment by peter — April 4, 2011 @ 11:31 am

  540. You have came up on the forum as a member Peter, try and post a comment on there and see what happens ?

    You confirmed your password through your e-mail and you are definetely showing on the forum you seem to be doing everything correctly so it’s difficult to see how you may have problems.

    As I said give a post a go !!!!!

    There’s no hurry we will get it sorted in time.

    Cheers.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 4, 2011 @ 11:40 am

  541. sorry dwp, correction.just reread the email confirmation and saw I had to click on the link again to trigger it.Goes to show being on some medications causes blurred vision hahah.Its a brilliant forum and I have a hunch yah gonna get very busy on it.Yes I did see that guardian article/vid.My family keep saying to me you have nothing to worry about because of your condition.They and most just don’t see whats going on…unbelievable.I guess I will get a call up soon.Had one many years ago and the doctor asked why I put down a certain answer to a question and I said because thats what my specialist told me!!I told him look if you don’t think I’m ill then stuff it!! As they take tax off my occupational pension so I don’t actually get that much.As I left he went to shake my hand to see what my grip was like and said oh and how did you get here.I was ready for that.I said a kind neighbor drove me.I was awarded the inc ben on an indefinite period so don’t reckon that means much now.I also get Full mob and med care dla.The press and media has stigmatised being ill or unemployed.We know exactly what this Atos is really about.

    See yah on the forum

    peter

    Comment by peter — April 4, 2011 @ 11:51 am

  542. Yes I’ve made that mistake myself, forgot to go back to my e-mail and click on. LOL.

    Many years ago it was different at a Government medical assessment, but as you probably know things changed in Nov 2008, that’s when the lies started, that’s when ATOS were given a mandate from New Labour to invest in the business of corruption.

    And that’s when the real bogus assessment reports got going, and they haven’t stopped since.
    These people are not being held to account for their lies, there’s no transparency, and no accountability and we must get this through the skulls of the general public.
    There can be no let up in the battle agaiinst ATOS and the DWP it’s up to us to speak out, because the various charities and and MPs are doing nothing, even though they know ATOS are criminals, they do nothing.

    I just recieved a letter from the house of commons thanking me for reminding him (My local MP) that the welfare reforms are draconian etc, and I can be rest assured that he has signed the early day motion as instructed.
    First time he’s ever answered an e-mail, and the reply is in a letter too, with a lovely house of commons envelope, wouldn’t be anything to do with the election coming up in MAY would it ?

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 4, 2011 @ 3:22 pm

  543. Thank goodness that I have found this web site – so much valuable information. I’m on IB/IS and DLA high mobility & middle rate care.

    I’m freaked out to say the least just waiting for the brown envelope to drop on the mat – this will be a “migration” to ESA. I can’t believe some of the stories on this site but so glad to have found it. A question if I may – how important is it to submit a Request for Personal Information (Subject Access Request) to the DWP even before I have been called for a medical. Is it better to wait until the brown envelope arrives or indeed to do it now just to have the current information to hand.

    Thanks for any info anyone can provide

    Andy

    Comment by Andy — April 7, 2011 @ 5:23 pm

  544. Absolutely not! Get the information ASAP they will take about 47 days to get it to you they will not rush, although they have 40 days to send you what you request they seem to take a week to acknowledge the request, then there is the time you will need to read through it and should it come to it complain about missing paperwork like previous interrogation reports. In my opinion they think you will not go through the paperwork because it will bore you or you won’t understand it. It may also be a good idea that you specifically mention that you want the score-sheets from previous interrogations as they will show where you scored points on previous interrogations, sometimes the points are score where you least expect them

    Comment by Dean — April 8, 2011 @ 7:22 am

  545. Thanks to Dean for the advice – the letter will be in the post (recorded delivery of course) first thing Monday morning – thanks also for reminding me to ask about specific information.

    Thanks also to all the many folk who post on this site with their own personal experiences that are so enlightening and also so frightening.

    I’m also interested in knowing anything about the Aberdeen interrogation venue?

    I’ll keep in touch on this site and update as and when I have anything useful to add.

    Grateful thanks

    Andy

    Comment by Andy — April 8, 2011 @ 6:30 pm

  546. Atos centre in Romford.
    We were told there was no parking when we asked-we had a cab that was going to wait for us but there was nowhere legal to do so.
    Centre is on the 2nd floor-you have to ring the bell and it is NOT clearly signposted-anyone with visual impairments would probably have difficulties finding their way.
    When you get in, there are the standard-issue blue chairs. When we got into the examination room, there was only a swivel chair with no arms. We asked for a non-swivel chair with arms as that’s what my partner needs. The assessor sighed and said we were “asking for too much now”. This is very ironic given that one of the descriptors is about the type of chair you need, so they should know some disabled people need different chairs.

    Comment by Jane — April 9, 2011 @ 4:34 pm

  547. Yes the whole idea in only providing chairs with no arms in the interogation room is a cynical ploy, they hope you can arise from the chair without the need for support.
    Of course if you do this, and can arise without the need for arms for support (even if you use the desk for support), then in their twisted logic it means you are 100% fit to work.
    This second floor, and can’t park anywhere nonsense is as you have probably worked out for yourself is another stunt to try and trip you up.

    You made it upstairs without help Sir/Madam all the way to the second floor, by god your fit for work.
    No parking ? at some centres the nearest place you can legally park is 3 or 4 hundred metres away, in some centres even it’s so far that by the time you have parked and got to their centre, even with someone to physicaly help you, then the fact that you arrived by car and walked the rest of the way there means zero points.

    Of course they dont mention on the medical report the you had physical help to get there.

    Well at least you are under no illusions about them.

    http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 9, 2011 @ 4:59 pm

  548. I feel I must point out that the Pontefract interrogation centre is the Jobcentre plus building/DWP (green and yellow signage) the fact it is the ATOS interrogation building is on a sign at the other end of the building next to a door you cannot enter by and although there are ramps, and I do mean ramps, for wheelchair users there is a shorter way in and that is by a series of two steps for each ramp, do not be fooled into taking the steps use the wheelchair ramps I used the ramps. IMHO I felt that I was being watched by someone as I walked, shuffled, down the street from the car park to the building as there is, what at first glance appears to look like a street light but could easily be dome shaped glass with a camera inside and as there is, if I remember rightly a nightclub over the road from the interrogation centre. There is also 3 bays for blue badge holders right outside the door meaning a walk of less than 50 feet to get inside the building.

    Comment by Dean — April 9, 2011 @ 11:53 pm

  549. This is very ironic given that one of the descriptors is about the type of chair you need, so they should know some disabled people need different chairs.,/b>

    I agree because when at home although I sit in a computer chair that freely swivels if I want to get out of it, and it is always at the maximum height, then I move it so that it is against a wall or solid object meaning that I have a chair that I can raise from even it it causes severe pain and difficulty which when at the interrogation centre I had to get help of the person with me to get out of their very low chairs, even the ones with arms

    Comment by Dean — April 10, 2011 @ 12:03 am

  550. I had an extremely stressful experience at my medical assessment at the Atos Healthcare(how do they get away with calling themselves ‘healthcare’, surely this misleading title is false advertising?) medical services in Hallgarth Street Durham, last year. This resulted in my being subjected to a horrendous ordeal of having questions thrown at me at the speed of light followed by a physical exercise demonstration rushed so much it left me dizzy and totally confused, so much so I could not find my bus ticket home and had to walk nearly 4 miles home, in the rain. I virtually collapsed on arrival, was ill for days and endured extreme pain and discomfort with my osteoarthrits (affects all my body), I was borderline suicidal. Too make matters worse after hassling Atos and then DWP 5 times for my copy of report I got it 6 weeks later, too late to take to my CAB appointment to discuss my possibility of an appeal.
    Whe I read it OMG what a total fabrication of lies and manipulation of the medical evidence I was presenting. I complained to ATOs, DWP and my Mp who gave me the usual whitewash and I had to go back on JSA because I got 0 points. To make matters worse I had to suppress all this, causing depression to get worse, impacting on my existing health probs and since January have developed serious disabling physical symptoms, including many episodes of RAPID ONSET, including,temporary paralysis(lasting up to 2hrs+),my blood pressure has always been a bit low yet is now high, I have balance probs, and diminishing cognition probs which affect my speech and ability to think. Sometimes I cant remember how to dress or use my microwave and I lose my bearings in familiar areas. I rarely go out and have some support from carers. I am back on ESA, ( I cannot claim JSA because it would be fraudulent as I am not fit for work) and due to go to another Atos assessment this month. Already I am being given the run around by requesting home visit on health grounds, and they are being deliberately obtructive, so a new complaint is starting. I have just been to an urgent Neurology appointment and the initial diagnosis may be that it is stress causing my latest, serious, physical symptoms which are causing great concern. I am blaming last years disgraceful treatment by Atos, DWP and have just recently found out (didn’t have internet access last year), that I could have complained about the nurse to the Nursing and Midwifery council, which I have just done. The bottom line is this I hold the aforementioned people entirely responsible for the serious deterioration in my health and want them to pay for it. The govts propaganda to encite hatred for all claimants needs balancing out.
    The government appear to be trying to create an elitist society whereby people who are unproductive will be wiped out, either by their own hand or by their circumstances. An undercover investigation into Atos’s unorthodox practises, is long overdue. I am determined to get justice and encourage everyone else who has been aggrieved, to do the same and expose these people for the charlatans they are. They are feeding off the suffering of many.
    All spongers and people who are guilty of fraud should be more severely punished and instead of paying private companies like Atos £80m per year to reduce the benefit bill by resorting to unscrupulous methods, and the job centres, who also do not do the job they are supposed to do, the money would be better placed with employers to encourage them to take on extra people with varying health needs,and create new jobs and apprenticeships for the rest.

    Comment by Pamela Wilkinson — April 11, 2011 @ 6:45 pm

  551. Pamela, we have all been there, the stress these monsters are causing people is excrutiating, you have to experience it for yourself to feel what it’s like. These people have got the cheek to put care in to their name. Are you aware they are setting up a stall in Liverpool shortly with the intention of conning the public in to thinking they are nice people and another alternative to the NHS, also in there plying their wares for all they are worth.
    A bunch of folks from the disability group Black triangle et al are going down there to heckle them.
    Join our sister site, and help us defeat these horrible people http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/index.php Click on and pick a non de plume for yourself and get some more education (not that you need educating now ) regarding the biggest load of charlatans that ever walked the planet earth.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 11, 2011 @ 9:05 pm

  552. Hi, I took your advice and registered with the sister site which I came across recently and was inspired by you and others, to bring down Atos and its supporters. I have signed petitions, and posted comments on other sites to counteract some of the misguided people, who see everything as black and white e.g. those from the “get a job, I have” brigade. I am writing this in reply to yours and will post any future appropriate comment on the other site.
    I would like to shake your hand ‘sir’, and that of anyone else who is standing up for the ‘underdog’, we have been trampled on for way too long. I am so glad I came across your web pages, they have truly lifted my spirits to help me fight my own case, and I will offer support to any one else who needs it.
    Great stuff!

    Comment by Anonymous — April 12, 2011 @ 6:14 am

  553. The government can fork out a third of a BILLION pound for that descredited ATOS group. Their job is to cull the vulnerable, disabled, terminally ill.

    The scroungers get through the system and the honest lose their life line. This is worse than the Victorian Workhouse and much more dishonest.

    There will be a real explosion as the bodies of those starved to death become more common.

    Hitting the vulnerable to cushion the rich and powerful.

    Definition of Politics: “The art of lying.”
    See your local MP:-
    Perhaps we should sit outside their expensive second homes and beg bread?

    “Don’t be surprised if you see a poor person being oppressed by the powerful and if justice is being miscarried throughout the land. For every official is under orders from higher up, and matters of justice get lost in red tape and bureaucracy.”
    The Bible Ecc 5:8 NLT

    Comment by Mike Wallace — May 10, 2011 @ 3:15 pm

  554. http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1003729_900_patients_to_be_recalled_for_scans
    Have got my GP recording the stress Atos/DWP causing which impacts on other health problems, and have shown him printouts from above webpage, of government wasting money on Atos’s incompetence (2007). We had good discussion, and have made him aware of this and Whywaitforever website to highlight the plight of the scandalous suffering; people are being caused. There are some very nice GPs and other genuine Health care professionals who could be asked to come on board, who are just as concerned as us about the atrocities which are taking place, not to mention the money creamed off by a private company and its undeserving health care impersonators.
    Please excuse my grammar etc, have cognitive probs.

    Comment by rebelliousstreak — May 13, 2011 @ 8:14 pm

  555. Hi RS.

    Most GPs wouldn’t believe it if you told them what ATOS are doing, because it’s unbelievable and is reminiscent of Mengale and the Nazis, the next step is marking with a red cross then taken away for that jag in the paw.
    I can’t say I blame them (The GPs) for their incredulity, I can hardly believe it’s happening myself.
    My own GP hasen’t a clue, and would never in a million years believe that other Doctors could be so callous, it’s a waste of time trying to explain it to him, his mind is closed, set in stone so to speak.
    We should never forget what these ATOS/DWP miscreants have done to us, we don’t want vengeance, we want justice, and one day we will get that justice I promise you.
    Of course when the day comes, just like the Nazis at nuremburg they will claim they were only following orders, it wasn’t me, they told me to do it or I would get the sack, or they would make my life difficult if I didn’t obey them are not excuses, they signed the contract with ATOS, they knew what was required to fulfill the contract, therefore they all must pay the price when the time comes. No excuses and no exceptions each and every one of them who participated must be brought to justice.

    We will have our day it will happen and ATOS will be no more.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 13, 2011 @ 9:28 pm

  556. Hi Guys , I’m with you all, just got a negative response to my medical exam by ATOS ,Piccadilly, York ( 26th April’2011 ): I would like to know how as an IBS sufferer with spastic colon (severe symptoms) at 55 years, + mental health issues can qualify me for JSA/A work related interview whilst going through t appeal process… I rely on Mind Advocacy to support and to witness. As far as I am concerned my 1st meeting was a ducking stool affair…, my assessor saying that he’s a psychologist (When I suspect he probably isn’t).. My GP wasn’t surprised that I got 0 outta 15: Last night I dialled 999,because I got a sudden sharp 8/10 pain up t left side of my chest…,I’m not eating much as a bloated tum brings it all on even worse and I expect t extra stress bought on t attack. I can never get out during t cold months. Any IBS-C sufferer will tell you ,it’s worse in t winter time…,logic tells me not to panic,and just dont go out, dont show up at none of their work related interviews (Showing up would be deemed as an admission of guilt).So I’ll keep in touch with my GP/ and MIND and is there anyone else I should get in contact with/ like an independant body of some sort. as I dont expect an easy ride on my appeal either. Where is t logic in me being stuck in a factory loo for most of t day, and getting a taxi home after falling out with some dis-gruntled floor manager/team-leader ? More to t point where is t respect ? Most certainly not coming from t Atos,who are dangerous and are actually succeeding in killing people off , and If anyone has seen or read “Logans Runs” it is what our gov’t are trying to do, like as if to say there are too many of us growing old and living longer..and they are saying let’s hire Atos to kill as many as they can in their 40s/50s.

    Comment by benjamin — May 16, 2011 @ 7:07 am

  557. Hello Benjamin.

    I hope your ”I would like to know” Question is rhetorical, as you can see on this Blog and the forum at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ thousands of folk all over the length and breadth of Britain are being stitched up by ATOS healthcare, it’s good to see you have appealed, and also good to see that your GP is not a fool and knows enough about ATOS healthcare to understand that even the dead can get zero points at an ATOS healthcare functional assessment.

    It’s a disgrace what this dreadful so called healthcare company are doing to the sick and disabled, and we are going to do everything we can to do something about it, you can help as well by clicking on to the above forum, you could also send your story to John Domokos of the Guardian newspaper who is currently investigating these people. You can find his details below.

    Hello,
    I am a video journalist at the Guardian, and am looking for case studies to follow through the process of WCA testing.
    I have recently done a number of articles and films around the practice of targets and benefit ‘sanctioning’ on Jobseekers Allowance, and want to broaden this to look at this assessment process. I am interested in all stories, but hidden disabilities are one area I am particularly looking at.

    Please feel free to contact me in confidence if you are due to go through a test, or want to talk about your experience already.

    Many thanks,
    John Domokos
    07798 717775

    john.domokos@guardian.co.uk

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 16, 2011 @ 9:49 am

  558. Thanks John, yes, I’ve texted u a message and left you with my e-mail address.Mobiles dont make great conversation pieces. How far from York are you and can we meet in person, say like at my pad on Gillygate. I am seeing my advocaat next monday and she has already got on to welfare support/ and cab may be involved too. and that is when I will be sending off my appeal and try and get my benefits back again. ? I will be looking up yer links in the process. ps. my front room looks like a workshop/art gallery.and I’m fairly central to york. thanks you too Benjamin or Ben

    Comment by benjamin — May 16, 2011 @ 1:10 pm

  559. I represent people at Tribunals and I am well aware of the way that ATOS conduct these medicals. I find it absolutely disgusting that a nurse can conduct a medical which determines how a person can be taken off benefit and put onto Job Seekers Allowance. Some of the medical reports that we receive as part of the bundle which the DWP will be reliant upon are an absolute joke. The ATOS staff have more interest in looking at the computer screens and answering the questions than listening to the client. Because of the Incompetence of ATOS and the way that they conduct these medicals refusals of benefit are easily overturned at Tribunal.
    Liam

    Comment by Liam — June 19, 2011 @ 7:01 pm

  560. Agreed Liam, these corrupt so called medical assessments carried out by ATOS have been on the go for the last few years, the tribunal system are well aware as well that they are a joke, but they all look at these medical reports and give them creedence as if they had some kind of legitimacy. And encouraging the whole charade in the first place, the tribunal system is a fucken joke as well, and you shouldn’t have to represent anyone against ATOSDWP decisons at a tribunal in the first place.

    It’s an absolute fucken disgrace that a Judge on these tribunals with no medical knowledge whatsoever can overule and so outvote the Doctor on the tribunal (because they are on an ideological mission or some other personal reason) and deny a person with health problems the right to a chance for help to get back to work, with the only recourse being an appeal to some bent Judge like Commissioner MAY, the fact that only 40% are winning their appeals is not a success as far as I’m concerned but a failure of the tribunal system, because 60% must be losing their appeals and therefore these bent ATOS reports are not being easily overturned.

    And since ATOS and the DWP decision makers are corrupt (on first name ass patting terms with each other even) then all medical assessments from ATOS should be thrown in the bin, no tribunal member should even look at an ATOS assessment in the first place and thererfore no one should lose an appeal, because ATOS are proven liars (that’s not just my opinion but a FACT) and their medical assessmnet reports are truly NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE.
    We are fighting these unscrupulous bastards here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and exposing the truth about this whole corrupt system.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 20, 2011 @ 4:19 am

  561. As the rules change you can bet that more people will lose their appeal at tribunal so they have to reapply under the new rules, just wait until PIP is close to roll out they will be more than the normal number of failed appeals for the DLA. Just like I believe I failed my first appeal in 2008 because IB was changing to ESA within a few months and I would have being on that without being reassessed for longer than the ESA I am on now.

    When people, as DWP call it, PASS THE ASSESSMENT, they won’t make a fuss about any inconsistencies in the report because if they then are told the report is not fit for purpose they know they will be put through the interrogation again, I wouldn’t be surprised if a person passed the assessment and then complained about errors in their report that it wasn’t then flagged up with ATOS who then called them back for another interrogation. IMO the time to complain about the quality of reports is after a failed assessment and references to errors in previous reports could also be made to show that in your case it isn’t a one off error they are constantly saying your condition isn’t as bad as it is and could be happening to others with the same.
    I say the time to complain is after failing the assessment because then you have nothing to lose unlike someone who has passed and could be put through the while charade again just because a jumped up glorified clerk was made to look a fool by rubber stamping the ATOS report.

    Comment by Terminator — June 20, 2011 @ 6:48 am

  562. As the rules change more people will lose their appeals at tribunals, I have to agree with that, the criteria is being tightened closer and closer, the refusal appeal rate will go up gradually from 40% to 50% then 60% and so on people will hardly notice, until it will be almost impossible to win an appeal, unless your brain dead. (I apoligise to anyone with that condition).

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 25, 2011 @ 2:15 pm

  563. Erm, can’t you do what other minorities seem to be doing??? The European Court of human rights? I have read enough about what you are going through. A money making system like this is disgraceful, playing with people’s health. Human rights are being breached and suggest lawyers to take this further and to end such Nazi style torchure of diabled people. If this is allowed to carry on, what next??? Euthnaisa? Fight.

    Comment by A — September 13, 2011 @ 3:43 pm

  564. Hi,

    Back again, Fourth ATOS assessment within 12 months…because according to the last I should have improved or recovered from my Autism and many other life long medical conditions.

    I have been here following this since about comment 200..then again about 300 and so on from there.

    I had a letter out of the blue saying they had not received my ESA50 form – Work Capability Assessment back? by 18th August 2011.

    I contacted them and was told to get a form from DWP as they have nothing to do with these forms? The one actually sent was received 18 aug 2011.

    Luckily have extra copies, so submitted this with 11 pages of medical reports, Lists of medication including Oral Morphene, MST and a letter from my GP, requesting any assessment be made by a Qualified GMC/NHS recognised Medical Professional with Autistic Spectrum Experience at my home, to prevent Exacerbation of my medical conditions, Anxiety etc.

    Also on every page of my ESA50 I wrote the same. But they ignored everything and have written to my GP and requested FME – Further Medical Evidence. They state it is there usual practice.

    Now I do email them every other week to gain an update with my Advocate.

    I only now feel supported. My needs were finally assessed by Local Council Social Care team, after three years and funding towards social inclusion has been awarded and I can have a personal assistant, for respite opportunities for my Husband /Carer which is ironically advertised with the Job Centre Plus at the moment.

    My MPs have been involved, My medical team have over 100 years medical experience collectively. I should be in a hospital receiving care, but now receive this at my home…as Agoraphobic and I wasn’t able to cope.

    Together with this site, my advocates, Gps, Medical Experts and social care support, I have been able to get my head around this again. 75% of them wish to attend my assessment.

    So, Gp has prescribed sedation medication to try and avoid the massive levels of anxiety, pain and fear of dying. We are prepared, these monsters will not win..

    Comment by Claire Will — September 13, 2011 @ 6:26 pm

  565. Hi Claire.

    The brutal truth is, they are going to keep coming back and assessing you, and back and back and back, sorry that’s what they’re doing to everybody, it’s just a racket to take money from us and give it to them, £100 million a year they get, and that’s our money these scumbags are taking.
    So you can either help us fight them here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ or be their slave for the rest of your life.
    Someone asked about the European court of human rights, that’s an idea, and a possibility, only problem is that one has to exhaust every procedure here first, we haven’t got that time, people are being damaged now, people are committing suicide now, the powers that be know about the suicides, but they don’t care, they don’t care if we all commit suicide, our only hope is to get rid of them before they drive us all to our deaths.
    So go here everyone and help, even if it’s just in a small way http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 13, 2011 @ 10:57 pm

  566. Hi, thanks for this incredibly useful site. I have Chronic fatigue syndrome and am often unable to leave the house. In the past i have had medical assesments in my home. Is this still possible under the new system? The fact is I simply won’t be able to get to an assessment centre on most days. Thanks

    Comment by Rosa — September 29, 2011 @ 7:41 pm

  567. Hello Rosa.
    Yes it’s possible to get a home visit under the new system, BUT ATOS are putting a lot of barriers in peoples way, one reason we are finding out the hard way (people getting refused with a threat of benefit withdrawal if you don’t turn up at their place for the assessment) is because it costs them money, and they don’t want to conceed a home visit because it makes it more likely you will be found unfit for work, and this means the ATOS Dr doesn’t get their bonus.
    For real expert advice from people who have been in your position pick a user name and log in here and ask away. http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 29, 2011 @ 8:27 pm

  568. Thought you may be interested in what I found on the net. Thlink is for the Handbook that Atos work to,takes awhile to download but worth the wait.

    http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/pdfs/ESA_handbook_v1_Final.doc

    The foloowing is a list of contact numbers that Atos do not want you to know.

    Edinburgh MSC
    Silvan House
    231 Corstorphine Road
    Edinburgh
    EH12 7AT
    0121 335 7601
    Albert Bridge House (East)
    Bridge Street
    Manchester
    M60 9DA
    0121 335 0720
    Birmingham MSC
    Five Ways House
    Islington Row
    Edgbaston
    Birmingham
    B15 1SL
    0121 626 2941
    Glasgow MSC
    Corunna House
    29 Cadogan Street
    Glasgow
    G2 7RD
    0141 249 3616
    Bootle MSC
    St Martins House
    Stanley Precinct
    Bootle
    Merseyside
    L69 8BN
    0151 934 6070
    Nottingham MSC
    Summit House
    Nottingham Business Park
    Nottingham
    NG8 6PX
    0115 975 8362
    Newcastle MSC
    Arden House
    Regent Centre
    Gosforth
    Newcastle
    NE3 3JN
    01264 837 789
    Leeds MSC
    Government Buildings
    Otley Road
    Lawnswood
    Leeds
    LS16 5PU
    0113 230 9068
    Cardiff MSC
    Block 1
    Government Buildings
    Gabalfa
    Cardiff
    CF4 4YF
    029 2058 6750
    Bristol MSC
    Government Buildings
    Flowers Hill
    Bristol
    BS4 6LA
    0117 971 8382
    Wembley MSC
    1 Olympic House
    Olympic Way
    Wembley
    Middlesex
    HA9 0DL
    0208 795 8772
    Croydon MSC
    1st Floor
    Stephenson House
    2 Cherry Orchard Road
    Croydon
    Surrey
    CR0 6BA
    0208 633 1324
    Please do not give these numbers to patients
    23 August 2011

    Comment by Juliet Leech — October 11, 2011 @ 11:25 am

  569. Thanks Juliet…Will post that link on the ”useful links” page on the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 11, 2011 @ 1:23 pm

  570. ATOS are a sham. I am attending a tribunal with my Mother on Friday to contest a nil points outcome. She is disabled with compressed discs and neck fracture and they gave her nil points. I wrote them a scathing letter and have since been piling up medical evidence to present. We have been waiting since 27th November LAST YEAR, as the tribunals service is so backed up… After a meeting with Tom Kenny who Runs Hammersmith And Fulham Action Disablity (HAFAD) I heard horror stories of people whose evidence in favour was so overwhelming, yet they still got nil points… ATOS serves not to weed out the fakes, but to throw needy people, both mentally and physically, to the DOGS. I feel for the people who dont have help. My Mum has me, I am very stubborn and a good talker, and I dont back down.

    Comment by Kyle — November 2, 2011 @ 7:11 pm

  571. Hi Kyle.

    It’s not just ATOS who are a sham, so is the DWP, they know fine well that this is all nonsense, it’s all planned, the DWP decision makers don’t even look at any possible medical evidence, they just rubber stamp everything that comes from ATOS, rubber stamp everything like mindless morons, they question nothing and then they go home and sleep like a log, when the time comes in the future I will be demanding they are all brought to book and made to pay for their crimes to the disabled and ill of this country.
    We are fighting these people continually here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ let us know how your mother gets on at the tribunal on Friday, and good luck.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 2, 2011 @ 8:55 pm

  572. I wonder what anonymous thinks about Atos

    Comment by Anonymous — November 9, 2011 @ 10:04 pm

  573. Wonder no more because he thinks they are all greedy, self serving shitty arsed narcissistic pieces of scum with serious dandruff problems and halitosis, that’s what Anonymous thinks of ATOS, and moreover Anonymous also informs me (in an e-mail) that he would love to see them all totally broke and homeless (just like Dan Ackroyd in trading places) each one a total broken down pariah to society with absolutely no hope or future.

    Why do you wish to know that Mr Duncan Smith ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 9, 2011 @ 10:52 pm

  574. Just read most of these posts from the top got about halfway down I have just been filling in my form leading up to my second assessment.
    It does say in the form you might get an assessment but I am yet to hear of anyone filling in a form and not getting one.
    I actually won at my tribunal when I appealed my first decision which I was pretty shocked about but I did highlight the fact that my assessment notes were completely padded out with lies … for example she asked if I was able to get to the assessment without any issues with public transport etc I explained that I cannot use public transport at all and I had to have someone I trust who could pick me up and wait while I have the assessment and take me home (should add I have Anxiety resulting in bad panic attacks) but in the notes it said ‘Had no problem getting to his assessment’ she also asked if I could use public transport and I told her that I could for extremely short distances but only accompanied with someone who I trust in the notes ‘has no problem using public transport’ it really is a complete twist on words which basically makes you feel undeserving of the help you’re meant to be entitled too.
    I have actually had so much bother with ESA that my condition has got drastically worse because in the last year I have probably only had about 2 months of constant financial support …. I was put into the support group which I felt the benefits of for about 2 months basically if people don’t know this means you don’t need to visit your doctor, actively seek work and you also get a little bit extra financial help. So I fought all this time to get to this position and now with my second assessment undoubtedly on the door step looks like I could be making my way all the way back to step one.
    I honestly wish I could just not be receiving this help I think they seem to think we’re taking it as an easy ride but it’s far from that it’s constant pressure and stress I’m only 22 and I most definitely don’t want to be relying on benefits at my age but at the same time I need to pay bills just like everyone else no matter what age and I wish there was another way I could support myself but working until I am better or at least stable just isn’t possible.
    A lot of people I have seen say they will take notes which is a great idea unfortunately I can’t do that as under pressure I can’t write or type because of shakes but I think I will see if I can somehow record the meeting because just like everyone else above it’s incredibly hurtful when you’re made to feel like you’re basically talking a load of rubbish and making stuff up when really it’s the assessor who does that.
    One thing which will be interesting for me is I have requested a home visit because it’s not possible for me to make the journey to the assessment centre the last time I filled in the form and it asks do you have a problem using public transport and I replied I cannot use public transport .,,, following that I received my reply letter with a booked appointment and details of how I should get there using public transport etc so it shows the disregard I believe they probably just look at your name and book you in without even reading the attached booklet.
    Oh another thing that was annoying which they put on my notes was they said that I hadn’t cancelled any appointments which was a lie also because I rebooked my appointment so that it could be at a time when someone could take me to and from the assessment and also I didn’t want to go at all and was sick on the morning but at the same time I need my benefit money so I can survive and it clearly says on the letter if you don’t go to your appointment your benefits may be stopped .., so I don’t understand how they can hold that against you after putting the fear of your money being stopped in you.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 21, 2011 @ 12:20 pm

  575. Just about everyone who fills in the ESA 50 has to see the ATOS HCP there’s no way round it I’m afraid, and yes you are correct they just lie and lie and lie, that’s why there is so many appeals, actually the appeals system is fast approaching meltdown, and won’t be long until it implodes.
    Of course you will appeal if it comes to it and you can get help here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 21, 2011 @ 2:53 pm

  576. and when you send back your esa50 get any specialist input that shows your capability. Not your GP as their focus is seen as being upon treatment and so doesn’t have much bearing. ATOS are also trying to get law changes that would see even more people found fit. Unfortunately for them the decision makers are going against ATOS assessments in numbers which worry them – and possibly the government

    Comment by Anonymous — November 24, 2011 @ 12:20 am

  577. Your right and it’s a mystery why welfare rights keep banging on about getting a medical report from your GP, I suppose the reason is that some of them haven’t caught on yet that since Harringtons report the Government have realised their mistake and now the Government have changed the goal posts by announcing that it’s not a medical you know, it’s a functional assessment.
    If that’s the case and it’s not a medical then why do they need Doctors ? why not a hairy arsed plasterer or Brickie, because any one of them can get a few days training and do the job via LIMA just as well, some would say even better and more efficiently.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 24, 2011 @ 4:53 am

  578. my daughter has just received her first medical appointment for 15th she is probably on autistic spectrum, also extremely anxious and sensitive, she can;t cope with public transport, or talking to ATOS on phone. i laid all this out on form but her appointment is 30 miles away and two long bus rides, we can’t get taxi and don’t know anyone with a car. they won’t speak to me on the phone. who do i turn to now?

    Comment by grace — December 2, 2011 @ 6:08 pm

  579. Hello Grace.

    The truth is you only have two choices and it looks as if one of them is unacceptable, the other choice is to ask for a home visit, your nearest welfare rights or Citizens advice office may help here.
    You must bear in mind that ATOS do not want to participate in home visits, it costs them money, and this is the main reason why they insist on you going to them, now you know the reason why they are avoiding you on the phone.
    Why not send them (DWP) a letter and outline the problem, they may still refuse so it’s up to you if you want to stick to your guns and fight, we can help with appeals etc here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ if the worst comes to the worst.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 2, 2011 @ 7:07 pm

  580. Hi, My friend has her appeal on Tuesday 13th of December (oops what a date) And to say she is nervous would be a understatement. I am going with her to give her support and have gone through her forms with a fine toothbrush. The first thing that i noticed was that it was a basic nurse who did the assessment but im going to undermine her but to me a nurse is not really a qualified doctor.so in reading her notes it did not come to as a shock the lies she told about my friend. I will not bore you with all the details but what i can tell you she got nil points. Even after all the medical evidence she gave., but they all fell on deaf ears. As ive said ive gone through her points section and i can at least qualifies her for 27 and i am not a doctor as the same as the nurse and she gave her nil.
    Am i right in saying that only evidence of the assessment will be considered at the tribunal or as my friend has bombarded them with loads of evidence since the assessment i know it sounds confusing but it is something we need to know. Since the assessment my friend has got worse with her condition will this help in the tribunal or will the condition she was in at the assessment be the only evidence they consider. one more question sorry. It is something that is bugging me if a GP and a consultant is not evidence enough to say that a patient is not fit for work, how can a nurse say a patient is fit for work
    Waiting your helpful reply Diamond

    Comment by Diamond — December 8, 2011 @ 8:58 pm

  581. Hello Diamond.

    I’m going to help you from reinventing the wheel, it’s irrelevant to them (tribunal panel) if it was a nurse who carried out the assessment, they don’t care, what they want to know is, does your friend meet those descriptors, is your friend limited in her capacity to work and can show this by using the medical evidence from her GP or Consultant from then to now that her capacity for work is truly limited.
    For instance in my last tribunal which was held on the 25th of November (was shocked to discover it was the American black Friday) I informed the panel that I was contending the descriptor such and such a number, which was standing for up to half an hour, I maintained I could only stand for up to ten minutes, I backed this up with a report from my GP which said I had difficulty in standing for any length of time, therefore the panel agreed and gave me the points, I also stated to the panel that I had difficulty in walking up to 200 metres, again the GPs report said I had difficulty walking any kind of distance, so I got points there as well, I also got 5 points because I demonstrated I couldn’t hear in a busy street, GPs report helped again, I got 5 points there, it all added up tp 18 points and since only 15 points is needed then they declared I was entitled to ESA.

    Diamond…take my word for it, don’t waste yourself trying to prove to the panel that the cardboard cutout nurse is all wrong, they already know that, they don’t need you or I to insult their intelligence, just get to the point and start the hearing by saying that she is contending descriptor such and such, she is also contending such and such a descriptor, and could the panel take in to consideration such and such.
    Your friend will be asked questions on those descriptors, how do you feel when you are trying to walk or whatever, they won’t be wasting any time talking about anything else.
    Your last point, how can a nurse override what your consultant or GP is saying, the answer is they can’t, but because they (the panel) are obliged to take in to consideration all evidence, then even the nurse who wrote the ESA 85 has to be taken in to consideration, you just have to prove using any medical evidence you have that she is wrong, and not by trying to prove she is inferior qualified compared to the consultant or GP.

    You follow ?…the descriptors are everything, concentrate there, that is the way forward to gaining the necessary points.

    You can get further help here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ if needed, good luck at the tribunal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 9, 2011 @ 2:11 am

  582. Hi Im pleased to announce they mty friend won her appeal today and i must be honest the people there were very nice and they listened to what my friend had to say which was different to the assessment nurse the evidence that my friend had was really to over powering to swing in their favor. Just to let you know the venue it was at Kidderminster. May i take this opportunity in thanking you very much for the advice that you given me i took it all on board and it helped, also may i let others know, do not think its the end of the road if you get nil points its a scam you will win once again thank you.
    Regards Diamond

    Comment by Diamond — December 13, 2011 @ 7:19 pm

  583. Hello Diamond.

    Of course the tribunals know its all a scam, we just have to play along and try and find ways to give them what they want, which is information regarding the descriptors etc.
    Good to see your friend has won her appeal, beware though and do not rest on your laurels because ATOS will be back, they and the DWP do not like people winning appeals it makes them look incompetent…LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 13, 2011 @ 7:57 pm

  584. Hello, I had my first ever medical assesment last tuesday (finally in week 27 of my claim!!) I had already had my MP contact the DWP as I had had numerous missed payments and had been messed about no end, I was even offered £25 compensation from the DWP!! So anyway, i had no idea what to expect and thought i would check out info online, i came accross this site and a few others like it and i read the reviews with interest. There were not many with any good news, which to be fair, made me more anxious about my own medical. I had already rung my doctor and he had supplied me with a letter explaining my conditions and the fact that there was no way i could be expected to work. I suffer with severe clinical depression, anxiety and ME. So needless to say i was pretty much terrified of what was going to happen. I arrived early at the York office and was let into the building. I had taken my mum with me for support and also as my memory is so bad, she can recall things i no longer can. I was called through to the ‘doctors’ room and as i was walking to it, i switched my phone on to record the meeting, this was mainly so that i could remember exactly what had been said and i had also been advised to do so. I left my phone in my bag on the floor so that it was out of sight, I am aware that this would probably not be able to be used in evidence if i needed it, but was made aware it is perfectly legal to record the meeting as I am an active party in said meeting. The HP asked me questions about what i could do and couldnt do, and i just answered truthfully, he did make me feel alittle bit useless when he kept stating ‘so you do nothing? you just lay on the setee all day?’ it did make me want to think of something to say to prove i wasnt lazy, i just physically cannot do anything on my worst days (which is becoming more frequent) :( He asked if i washed up, which i said i have tried but my head feels like it wants to explode when i stand, he did try to reword it saying ‘so you can wash up then?’ i had to be totally clear that NO i could not wash up. They do seem to change what you say, but i just stuck to my guns, although i sepnt the majority of the 1/2 hour meeting crying (im not very good at talking about my condition) he did ask me to couch down and then stand back up but that was the only physical test he did. He did seem semi understanding, and was fairly pleasant tbh. I had rung the job centre that morning to check my rights, and you are totally within your rights to ask to see what the HP has written about you. Make sure you advise them that you want to see what they have written before he submits it though!! It is not been agressive towards them, you only have to say that you want to refresh yourself with what you have said incase you have missed something. I did take a note of the lady i spoke to at the JC and her number incase the HP became difficult about this. But it was fine. Because of the previous problems i had had, i was told by a JC manager that my claim would be rushed through. I held little hope for any good news and was prepared to go to appeal should i need to. I rang the JC every day only to be told everyday, they had not had a report from Atos yet ring later, eventually i rang Atos directly and they checked and assured me the report had been emailed to the JC the day after my assesment, I rang the JC back (11am) to be told I would recieve a call back by 5pm that day. low and behold they didnt call back, so the next day i rang back again, and was promised a 1hour call back, oh my god they actually rang back!!!, she explained that there was no report and i would be contacted asap, i explained that i had spoken to Atos and they had sent it the week before, so she said, ‘oh ok i’ll check another screen’ and guess what, there was the report, and even better i had passed!!!!!! I had to check that i had definalty passed as i couldnt believe it after everything i had heard. All i can advise is make sure you have a letter frfom your doctor, you may have to pay for it, but it is worth it if it helps you avoid appeal, just be honest but listen carefully to each question and answer carefully, they will try to trip you up, def take someone for support and get them to take notes!! (they can be used in evidence!!!) I really hope this helps genuine people get what they are entitled to. I do know there are alot of people out there who are making false claims, but the genuinely ill people shouldnt have to be punished fpr that. Good luck and stick it out, it has to get better, surely? xx

    Comment by keekee — December 14, 2011 @ 11:02 am

  585. Hello Keekee.

    That was good news and great you passed, two years ago you would have been slung to the wolves, but things are getting better over the last few months, due to all the different forums and Blogs on the internet that have sprung up lately exposing ATOS and the DWP and their fabricated medical assessments. Thank god there was decent people way back then who decided to do something about it rather than look on with folded arms, that’s the reason why the DWP and ATOS are starting to baulk.
    We must keep up the pressure because ATOS are not going to go away, each of us will have to keep going back and back and back to their dreadful assessments and now that the new descriptors are here these assessments are going to be almost impossible to pass in the future.

    The forum is one place where genuine disabled and ill people are trying to make a difference http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ in fact they were such a thorn in the side of ATOS that they tried to shut the forum amongst others down, that can’t happen now and they fear the knowledge that is on there.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 14, 2011 @ 11:45 am

  586. Hi its me again i need to know if you can enlighten me on what was on my friends letter that was given to her at the tribunal. It read that she is entitled to E.S.A with work related activity component. Does this mean she has to go got the job centre and to meetings to discuss a back to work scheme. Im asking this question because if she does, does that mean her doctors note means nothing as her doctor has said she is not fit for work oh my god this is getting more confusing now sorry hope you can help

    Comment by Diamond — December 15, 2011 @ 6:43 pm

  587. Hello Diamond.

    Yes it means the Work related activity group, and in theory she has to report if called to discuss with a work focused advisor when she is ready to get back in to the work environment, but in practice if she does get called and they see how bad she is they don’t usually call back, there is only one other group she could have been put in and that was the support group but to be eligible for this group one has to be virtually brain dead. By the way, she will not have to produce a sick line as long as she is receiving ESA.
    You are beginning to see now what a shambles it all is, and that is the reason we need to get stuck in to these people because quite frankly they are taking the piss.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 15, 2011 @ 7:21 pm

  588. Once again my friend you have come up trumps with your information. I doubt it that she will be called back. But i wont get complacent i will make sure my friend has all the infoe before she goes thanks again for your help keep on the good work and i will certainly help others if i can merry christmas and a very good new year

    Comment by Diamond — December 16, 2011 @ 7:32 pm

  589. Cheers Diamond, glad we could help, even though in a small way.
    Merry Xmas and happy new year.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 16, 2011 @ 7:39 pm

  590. i today recieved a phone call to say i got nil points on my medical letters to confirm to follow ive been on incapacity for 3 years and i get low rate care component and high rate mobility on dla will this affect my dla? i have rhumatroid autheritus which is classed as cronic and active hencs the drug methatrecate which is chemotherepy to low my immune system at the medical i had wrote on the form i have mortens nuerma the women said that is just part of your rha oh my, so the nerves in my toes inflame and rub together but hey thats nothing it makes walking painful and uncomfortable i also have irritable bowel syndrome a prolapsed bladder and bowel and polycycistic ovaries when i left the examination i was in agony and had to get my eldest daughter to help me at home the women asked me about my 2 sons who are autistic and if i am capable of caring for them what this has to do with my illness i dont now basicaly because i care for them im able to work but when do i get to sleep at the moment catch up is in the day when boys are at school im on antideppresions as it it because of the stress im under the say i can sign on now wont that be fun as there are no toilets due to the druggies and alcholics so as my bladder is that weak i will pee my self or they say i can go back on carers which i lost when i went on incapacity under there advice as i was not fit to work in there words if your ill you cant have income support not what they said on the phone today that i will get it as i have to care for my boys i forgot to say that my dla was idefinate as i wll get worse not better +i was not in a flare up at the medical im so dam angry

    Comment by ange — December 30, 2011 @ 1:06 am

  591. Hello ange.

    You can’t sign on with your health conditions it’s impossible to expect you to work, you have to appeal that is your only option, and the first step after you receive an official letter confirming that the DWP have stated you are fit to work is to ask for a GL 24 appeal form and also ask for the ATOS DRs report the ESA 85 or in your case since you were on Incapacity benefit the IB/85 the DWP will send whatever one it is. You can expect your money to be stopped or drastically cut now that they have decided that you are miraculously cured, but don’t worry because you can apply for the assessment rate while waiting for the appeal to be heard, it’s not much it’s the same as Job seekers allowance and will help keep you going until the appeal is heard, by the way the appeal panel will not think you have been miraculously cured and you will win with all money owed backdated. You can get help here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and don’t forget also to contact your local welfare rights office or CAB.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 30, 2011 @ 10:29 am

  592. i will be appealing it, the person who rang me said we now you are ill but fit for work, where i come from ill means unfit not the opposite the dwp made me have an medical to go on long term incapacity by a qualified doctor he took 1 look at my meds and said im not going to put you through an exmination because of the pain i will cause you
    he said i would never work again and this was a doctor who worked for the dwp i have had 2 consultants and my own gp say the same dwp are ment to keep all records on people so i will be asking for them to back track to this doctors report paid for by them and if they say whoops its been deleted or disappeared the egg will be on them as i have it in black and white as i have allways kept letters from the dwp as with medical ones due to my untrusting ways which should pay dividens this time ive also read and printed of the discrimation act that they have to up hold and it states quiet clearly that my caring role cannot be used so they cannot say i care for my 2 sons so that makes me fit for work

    Comment by ange — December 30, 2011 @ 8:52 pm

  593. Hi ange.

    What a bunch of jokers, we know you are ill but fit for work ?, they are actually getting away with crap like that, they ought to get a reality check, it would be laughable if the consequences of spouting rubbish like that weren’t so serious.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 31, 2011 @ 6:40 am

  594. Hi. I received a letter today from the DWP stating that they are going to telephone me within 2weeks and they will send me a limited capability to work form to fill in.
    I will share my illnesses to ask if I should put all this on the form. I have read on here the horrors of ATOS and if I include all this info will it help me not go to ATOS
    I have HIV for 21 years
    Mild COPD often suffering with breathlessness and fatigue
    Pancreatic insufficiency which causes a lot of bowel problems and digestion often with severe diareah
    Osteoporosis and a history of foot fractures
    Freiburgs disease in foot
    Spondololysyhesis in lumbar spine causing numbness in legs when standing making walking difficult
    Neuropathy in hands and feet where feeling is disturbed and between numbness and the back problems am prone to fall
    High blood pressure
    I feel that ATOS would severly affect my health if they said I am fit for work. I don’t think I could even hold down a job with the constant pain breathlessness and fatigue I suffer let alone mobility. The pain affects my sleep and often am tired and unable to function.
    Can you advise me if it us right to include all this in form. I really don’t wNt this ATOS to get involved as talking about my HIV is embarrassing enough let alone the rest.
    HELP!!!!

    Comment by Al — December 31, 2011 @ 11:35 am

  595. Hello AL.

    When you receive the ESA 50 form from ATOS to fill in don’t worry just put everything on there which affects your health, put down everything and do not be embarrassed about your health conditions, don’t forget these people see all sorts of different health problems every day, and if you want to keep receiving benefits then unfortunately ATOS have to be involved.
    If they do call you for a functional assessment then you/we have to go because a refusal gives them an excuse to stop your benefits, and if the worst comes to the worst then you can appeal and win easily with all money they owe you backdated less any money they give you in the meantime, for instance money they have to give you to live on until the appeal is heard like the assessment rate will be deducted, you can get help with any appeal from your local welfare rights office or CAB, you can also get help and information by question and answer here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 31, 2011 @ 1:28 pm

  596. 596.

    Hi Al,

    After passing 4 x ATOS investigations in 12 months …… my next will be by 27th July 2012 (they expect 100% recovery by then?).

    Put everything that affects you on the form, if possible have someone fill the form in on your behalf, as someone who would not be able to hold a pen, it makes sense…it is really depressing to see it all, but it needs to be this way…if you have specialist reports, letters from dr’s make copies and add them too. Always mention if someone helps you do anything, if people do your shopping, help you wash…or you wake in the night and need help.

    HIGHLY RECOMMEND: If it will cause to much stress, request your dr send a letter direct to ATOS, recommending a home visit with friend or advocate present.

    TRY:… talking to the local jobcentre and their Disability Adviser, explain how much the process stresses you out….I had mixed results on this one.

    CHECK LOCAL SUPPORT GROUPS: Advocates can come to your home and help you complete forms. Sounds like you should be claiming other benefits…these too need lots of forms …some with 60 plus pages

    The buildings where assessments are held, are rarely accommodating to the needs of the disabled, let alone healthy people. Stairs, stiff doors, limited if any parking, staff who’s job it is to make your visit difficult.

    I too am auto-immune deficient, my days and nights are always different. This is incredibly upsetting. I have 24hr care..my husband.
    I fall all the time and suffer with constant fractures. Now on 120mg Morphine in 24hrs for pain, it is difficult for me to stay on track. I had a panic attack just yesterday, I thought it was Christmas eve and couldn’t find anything to wrap. I had a meltdown as I am AUTISTIC…..Try to think if an employer would have the time for any of your ailments.

    ALWAYS: get names and titles of people carrying out assessments, and check with General Medical Council online…if they are registered to practice in this country. also check their qualifications. If not request to see someone who specializes in your medical conditions, your human right…as you wouldn’t see a DR to get your car fixed.

    MAKE COPIES, and when the next request comes in just answer the questions exactly the same way, obviously update if things get worse.

    Complete your form and importantly make copies, for your records. If you have an assessment, you can request a copy of the HCP (non-drs) report. Remember to have someone with you at each appointment. I keep a journal, for questions…..with dates, times and costs (phone calls, postage etc) the jobcentre will reimburse most costs out of your control.

    Just be prepared to spend a lot of time waiting for answers. My last assessment was requested in June, and concluded in November/December.

    I wish you all the best….I could never have done it without this site.

    Kind regards

    Claire

    Comment by Claire - Autistic, Auto-immune compromised, Spondylosis, PCOS, Hip Recontruction, Kidney Failure, Pernicious Anemia, Ataxia and Dyspraxia, Diabetic, Agoraphobic, Depression, Stress and mental disorders. — December 31, 2011 @ 1:46 pm

  597. Hello,
    Ive been for yet another madical with the TOSSERS at DWP in Leeds ,They stopped my ESA before Christmas 2011 then two weeks payment went into My bank account then they sent Me my P45 and benefit has yet again been stopped on 30-12-11,they Noe say ive Not Made enough contributions to Get ESA Sickness benefit ,But Behined it all is My Former GP in Leeds Phillipa Ann CRINION along with the Police,they Are Behined my Benefit constantly Being stopped,so its now going to go to a solicitorSAAP.

    Comment by Mark Wouters — December 31, 2011 @ 2:38 pm

  598. Hello Mark.

    They also sent me the same letter informing me I wasn’t entitled to contributory ESA and in there was the P45 as well.
    I sent a letter back saying I am entitled to income related ESA and could they please look at my records again etc.
    Two weeks later a letter came back confirming my right to income related ESA etc.

    You can see it’s a con trick (They conveniently don’t mention income related ESA) and they ought to be ashamed of themselves trying to trick honest citizens like that, they are nothing but sly, disingenuous pieces of crap as far as I’m concerned, and anyone who writes a letter like that is a criminal.
    Appeal…and find out if you can get income related ESA, there are some conditions, one of them is you must have less than £16,000 in your bank account, if you have a partner who has an income it must be less than £124 weekly (check that though) there are one or two other minor conditions, as I said check it out because you may be eligible for income related.
    All this information is available on the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 31, 2011 @ 3:14 pm

  599. i got my medical report of atos today i had to laugh if not i would have gone down there and slapped them it was full of mistakes from start to finish getting angrier as i read through it my assesment was done by a physiotherpist. the only part of it i can say she got right was my standing she said i could only stand for 2 mins even though i got 0 points on this for some unknown reason my partner disappeared the only reference to him was “she lives with their 3 children it said i do all the cooking ext my partner does this not me it said i go with my daughter shopping my partner goes with me i dont think my daughter nows where asda is lol it mention my sons 3 times stating that i am fully capable of looking after them even though they are autistic my partner doesnt work as hes 1 of my sons full time carer and does everything in the house as some days i cant she went on to say that i attend parents evenings without a problem not been to 1 in 3 years where did this come from as my childrens schooling was not spoken about she said i can brush my teeth i have dentures it also i states i refused to have my right leg examined but the results of the exmination of my right leg was there which i never refused to be examined she asked when i got there was there any part of my body ididt want her to touch i said yes my foot but when i was on the couch she pushed the bottem of my foot causing me to sream the mistakes continued through the form but what gives the right to blatently lie about me feel like i had 0 points before entering there building ihave only mentioned a few of the mistakes but the 1 that sticks out is the care of my sons it says in there discrimation laws that my caring responsibilities cannot be used against me or does it mean if your ill you have to put your disabled kids in care doing more harm to my mental health at losing them and theres in turn. or do what i do fight my illness and go through the pain barrier to look after them some days crawling to do things for them all i can say is atos you are arseholes in the first degree see you at the appeal

    Comment by ange — January 6, 2012 @ 11:44 pm

  600. Hello Ange.

    If there was any doubt in your mind regarding ATOS healthcare, if there was any doubt at all then after seeing your ESA 85 those doubts have now been dispelled, that’s when you know that the thousands and thousands of people all over Britain weren’t lying, that’s when you finally get the message that they are all telling the truth, and that’s when you realise there is no hope unless we do something about it. There is hope because some people are doing something about it, the Spartacus report written by disabled campaigners is now available to download here http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/files/response_to_proposed_dla_reforms.pdf

    It’s hard to believe that this company can fabricate THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of assessment reports like that and get away with it, can operate with the full blessing of our Government and all their wrongdoing kept from the public’s ears with a silent media…..all I can say is, REMARKABLE.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 7, 2012 @ 4:12 am

  601. My local well more like 20 miles away as parents took me, atos center had a sign saying *Customer toilets* on the door. Found that insulting really as i would never do business with Atos ever, so to assume we’re customers is just wrong, we’re forced to attend these farcial *medicals*, its like the goverment has an invisable shotgun to the head of every person they send to these centres, and if you dont attend they essentially end your life, as most of us cant survive on the assessment rate when these clowns remove your money illegally, because lets be honest here, atos are frauds but the goverment dont care, because they pay these people to commit fraud, all well and good saying you’l uphold the law in the country but the fact Atos even exist says otherwise, the police should raid these atos centres and arrest the staff for fraud period.

    Not sure if its worth saying to be the dwp regarding ESA50 feedback that they may as well just change the forms to just 1 page with 1 question. That being.

    Breathing? If yes – FIT FOR WORK

    Comment by Matthew — January 10, 2012 @ 8:27 am

  602. Mathew…….Or have you a pulse ? does it beat ? YES ? Then go straight to job centre plus…LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 10, 2012 @ 12:25 pm

  603. Or perhaps they could make claimants health care *professionals* for Atos, as clearly you don’t need any experience to do it, as anyone and everyone regardless of your medical qualifications can be one lol

    Maybe then, everyone would get the money they’re entitled too as we’d have people on the inside :P

    Comment by Matthew — January 12, 2012 @ 9:54 am

  604. Hello, I have a question for the forum. I went to one of these sham ATOS Origin assessments and to make a long story short, they gave me a score of zero despite serious health problems well documented by the NHS. I then managed to get the help of an NHS Welfare Benefits Adviser, who was well aware of how dishonest the whole scheme was run. In the end my case went to appeal – as the DWP and ATOS refused all complaints against them…they just did nothing but ignore my numerous complaints. Just before the actual appeal hearing the DWP dropped its case, which was because they refused to surrender key docs as part of the bundle. I was told by the NHS Welfare Benefits Adviser that the DWP and ATOS never give up, and that they would try and say they accept I may be ill but will be able to get back to work. While I wish this was the case I know my health is deteriorating not improving. So recently I received a letter from ATOS instructing me to come to another assessment. This is despite them never addressing my complaints over the first one! So my question is what rights do I have here? Do I have the right not to attend stating that ATOS has repeatedly failed to address my complaints, as has the DWP? Further, I have also filed a complaint against the ATOS so-called ‘doctor’ with ATOS…with of course them taking no action whatsoever. My plan is to file a complaint against this joke of a person with the GMC to get them struck off, as this person has no business operating as a medical professional. Any suggestions on what to do with all this would be most appreciated?

    Rob

    Comment by Rob — January 19, 2012 @ 6:03 pm

  605. Hello Rob.

    If you want to complain then there is no law that says you can’t just keep moving up the slimy pole that’s the complaints system just keep complaining and asking why they are ignoring you, obviously they think you will just go away.

    They refused to surrender key documents ? you could submit a subject access request also known as a SAR, and ask for all information the DWP or ATOS have on you going all the way back to a date of your choosing, by law they must comply, I’m surprised welfare rights haven’t mentioned that.

    As for attending an ATOS assessment ? let’s look at it this way, no one needs to attend an ATOS assessment but you will not get any benefits whatsoever if you do not comply with their wishes, you see ? that’s their way of forcing you to attend, of course if you win the lottery tonight you can always phone them up tomorrow and with great gusto tell them ”WHY DON’T YOU JUST STICK IT UP YOUR JACKSIE”. Imagine how great you would feel…!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 19, 2012 @ 9:12 pm

  606. Hi, I had my ESA medical in pontefract on 22nd Dec 2011, on arrival i felt they were watching me. I had to show prove who i was etc and then they made me wait over an hour and half. Whilst waiting i was worried as i’ve read serveral reports about this atos, throwing people etc. To cut it short, here is what happened.
    I was called in by a nurse (Question), she asked me a couple of questions, she already knew what my medicla problems were, so she said i need to ring the local office and she left the room for a few minutes. When she came back she said ”I have enough information about your claim and you can go and not to worry.

    About a week and a half ago i received the dreaded letter from ESA, i didn’t want to open it at first but i did. I read it and the ESA Medical Nurse stated that i was unfit to work and i was placed in the Support Group, my claim was done under Mental Health. When i contacted ESA they stated that i scored really high, so people they do there job sometimes and i was lucky.

    Comment by michael park-delaney — January 23, 2012 @ 7:41 pm

  607. Hello Michael.

    Beside the fact you obviously should be in the support group, the reason for the nurses decision wasn’t down to luck but to the efforts of the various Blogs and Forums on the internet plus the recent spartacus report, which has put the Governments ugly welfare reform ideas to flight http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/responsiblereformDLA (The link to download) and has also given everyone who cared to read it a jolt, not only that but ATOS healthcare are on their last legs and they know it so well.

    Let’s go back in time, to at least two years ago, everyone and I mean just about everyone was walking in there and being found fit for work, lung cancer victims, folk with serious brain tumours, people walking in with crutches it didn’t matter what it was or who they were they had already made up their minds before we had even walked in the door that being found fit for work was already decided.

    Now ATOS health care have realised they have went too far, they have realised that 70% of their so called customers with representation have won appeals, and so has everyone else realised, the tick box one size fits all solution to functional assessments at ATOS healthcare has become unsustainable hence the reason you think you were lucky. There was no luck involved whatsoever, two years ago, even just a few months ago you would have been found fit for work and told to sign on.
    ATOS must go, and go as soon as possible, instructions from the Government to tone it down is unacceptable, far too many good and honest folk with serious illnesses have been fucked over by these people in the last three years for them to expect any forgiveness from us.

    Congratulations on your result and thanks for letting us know..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 23, 2012 @ 8:14 pm

  608. same s**t different day

    hi all new to here so be patient plz ..

    ”I suffer from spondolosis in my neck C5/5 and fibromyralgia and got attacked on 05-11-11 with broken ribs widespread head/neck/back bruising/a split vertebrae and also post traumatic stress disorder with great loss of concentration and memory” quoted from a letter from my doctor to atos /dwp

    went for a medical at ATOS in wolverhampton and was only asked 4 Q’s and then he asked me to take off my neck warmer to which i said well i can but it hurts …….so i got half way through and he said its ok i dont need you to as you in pain,i was sat in a low seated chair but did ask for a high one 2 wks prior to app,he then asked me to lift both my legs up so my legs were straight in a sitting position and after the neck thing tears were just rolling down my face (half pain half anger i think)then he said what do you sleep on …..to which i replied I AM HOMELESS and crash where i can, even outside on some nights .and do you still have numbness in your right arm to which i replied CAN I BORROW YOUR (BIC)-HE SAID YES AND I PROCEEDED TO SCRATCH MY ARM FROM ELBOW TO END OF FINGERS WHILE SAYING WELL DO YOU THINK ITS NUMB to which he replied i yes

    after that he said its ok give yourself a couple of mins and you can go as i was now crying due to the pain so i said plz can i have a tissue so i can keep my dignity on the way out so he gave me one and offered to open the door for me and walk me to reception as pains were really bad ….IS THIS NORMAL AS I NEVER EVEN GOT ON THE BED ????????? and can i ask before i get a decision through the post ??

    THANKYOU FOR LISTENING TO MY RANT BUT CANT HELP BUT WORRY

    Comment by the chosen one — January 24, 2012 @ 3:31 pm

  609. OH always ring the GMC to see if the person your seeing is registered too as 4 out of 6 nurses and two doc’s were not registered for nurses its the nursing midwifery council

    the chosen one

    Comment by the chosen one — January 24, 2012 @ 3:35 pm

  610. Hello Chosen one.

    You sound as if you should be if the support group ? but ATOS health scare rarely see it that way, so what can you expect ? well at the moment ATOS are conceding and are allowing some people their ESA, I strongly suspect they have been told by the Government to get the number of appeals down, and contrary to what a lot of people think, it is ATOS that decide what ESA you get or whether you are getting it at all, the decision maker is nothing of the sort but rather a pen pusher cooped up and caged in an office like a canary to be fed only when the master wishes and that’s ATOS, as for ATOS they also follow their masters blindly which is the Government, this means then you have a chance to get at least the WRAG, if not and you don’t get what you want then you will appeal with our help http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ if you need it, you can also get help from your welfare rights.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 24, 2012 @ 4:36 pm

  611. The Atos tests are discusting. I have been on incapcity for years as i have a condition called LMBBS which effects 1 in 100,000 people. I was born with extra toes at birth and had them reoved i also had to have several operations to release the tendons on one foot. I have kidney problems, i can only breathe through one side of my nose, i’ve had part of my intestine removed as it was twisted and also i’m registered blind and am severly sight impaired. My eye sight is probabily the worst as it effects me everytday I can only see finger counting in one eye and two lines down in my other eye on a eye chart and i have less than 10 degrees of field vision but yet i had to go to some where i have never been to have my test, saw some one that has no clue what its like to have my condition or to have sight loss, i told them i have a carer for 7 and a half hours per week and have been put in the support group. There is no justice they want to cut everyones benefits. I have been to the job centre as i was told i had to go because otherwise i would loose my ESA, went and was told if i didnt find work for atleast 16 hours i would loose my entilement in a years time.I was so upset i rung the job centre and was told thats not the case and that my benefit will stay the same althought i have to have reviews every 3 months. I Hopefully i wont have to go back but its stressful enough knowing that i will be reviewed every 3 months, honestly what job do they want me to do if sighted people cant get work..

    Comment by Anonymous — January 26, 2012 @ 10:44 pm

  612. Hello Anonymous.

    I really don’t know what to say, it’s not often I’m lost for words but Jesus Christ what kind of country have we become where severely handicapped people like yourself have to be continually harassed every few months just to try and save a couple of quid, bullied at Job centres, constant stress, god almighty.
    You don’t make it clear (when) if you are in the support group just that you are on ESA, if you are in the support group then you don’t need to go to the Job centre if requested, but if like myself if you are in the WRAG then yes you do have to go to WFIs if asked but I can tell you that losing your ESA because you will not accept working 16 hours a week is just not true and the person who told you that is clueless, in fact if you are offered a job and you are on ESA you do not have to accept it, the purpose of meeting a work focused advisor is to see what support etc they can offer you in the future to help you back to work.
    I can confirm that working up to 16 hours is up to the person concerned and their ESA still stays, I hope myself and they have settled your mind because I wouldn’t blame you if you refused to believe a word they said.
    Anyway it doesn’t matter whether there is work or not it’s totally irrelevant, what matters is are you or anyone for that matter capable of working ? and to any right thinking person in your case the answer is no.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 27, 2012 @ 4:34 am

  613. im in the support group, contribution based… its shocking but at least i’m not the only one.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 27, 2012 @ 11:20 pm

  614. Hello Anonymous.

    Well at least you have some money for the moment, most people have no money at all on ESA and are groveling from day to day..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 28, 2012 @ 12:38 am

  615. Still don’t understand the point of asking someone if they’ve had suicidal thoughts on these *tests*, thinking about it, I of course answered yes as its true, depression comes hand in hand when your life sucks, but nowhere did I ever see descriptors for wanting to kill ones self.. Even then with all the missed sections they gave 0 points for that I gave good answers for, I guess I’ll never know.

    Still waiting on my Atos report regardless.

    Just I’m not one to admit depression to others, which is what surprised me, I genuinelly made the effort at the Atos meeting but stood no chance regardless.

    Comment by Matthew — January 30, 2012 @ 3:52 pm

  616. Hello Mathew.

    They know fine well that people with depression do not like to admit it to others, it’s a fight inside ourselves, and everyone gets depressed now and then but sometimes life deals a cruel blow just at that point and the condition is exacerbated.
    This horrible parasitical company take advantage of this foible (not wanting to talk about it) of human nature and use the fact that your thoughts are private to declare you fit for work.
    That’s just one reason I advocate telling these people how you feel on your worst day as opposed to how you feel on your best day, because anything else will be looked upon as an excuse to stuff you over, so try and get rid of that inhibition and tell them how it is on your worst day.

    And don’t worry about only getting zero points I’ve had zero points before and so have thousands of others, it’s all a sham to persuade you to think that you have no chance if you appeal because that big important ATOS Dr said so and look you only got zero points so why don’t you reconsider Sir/Madam because quite frankly if we are honest with you everyone is appealing and quite a lot are winning and it’s making us look bad. So please be nice to us and drop your appeal.

    BOLLOCKS, I PERSONALLY DON’T GIVE A RATS ASS HOW STUPID OR INCOMPETENT THEY LOOK, I URGE EVERY GENUINE ILL PERSON TO APPEAL IF THEY DO NOT GET THE REQUIRED POINTS. And if help is needed in that appeal then go here and help yourself not them. http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 30, 2012 @ 5:35 pm

  617. hi all, this is to dwpexamination. i noticed the advice to request all of the info the dwp has on you.this is great advice and i have done it today by letter(recorded del. of course) thankyou. because of all the posts that are on here some people will not notice that post so how about repeating it now and again so maybe the data protection officer at your branch of dwp will have a nervous breakdown and join all of the scroungers that have genuine illnesses.

    Comment by tricky — February 1, 2012 @ 10:54 am

  618. Thanks tricky…We have been doing that here and on the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and your right it does have an effect, and your suggestion to re post is handy.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 1, 2012 @ 11:35 am

  619. Look at this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-16839985 even the blind are being told by ATOS/DWP they are fit for work, it beggars belief, I never thought I would see the day that a person with arthritis and blind will be assessed as work fit, it will be interesting to learn what work he will be capable off.

    When one gets lowered in to ones grave some bastard from ATOS/DWP will shout down Sir/Madam can you open the lid ? we would like to speak to you regarding your ability to work, you also owe us a couple of days we overpaid you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 2, 2012 @ 3:10 pm

  620. It’s a horrible situation I agree, but I’ve personally adopted the angry approach to this whole issue with Atos, instead of feeling depressed about being failed, I’m just itching to get into a tribunal and get the money I deserve back. Granted my life sucks, and yes thats depressing but this issue is a source of annoyance and nothing more to me.

    Best advice I would give to people is don’t let Atos get you down, get angry and fight all the way for what you deserve.

    Comment by Matthew — February 4, 2012 @ 9:00 pm

  621. Instead of getting angry better to get even, and win that appeal..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 4, 2012 @ 9:25 pm

  622. These ATOS/DWP decisions are affecting disabled peoples lives in other ways too.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/feb/05/benefit-cuts-fuelling-abuse-disabled-people

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 5, 2012 @ 9:39 pm

  623. That’s horrible that people have sunk as low as that to attack the physically disabled. Personally if I saw someone being cruel to someone in a wheelchair il’d kick up a fuss, cowards that do that stuff don’t want attention drawn to them.

    Comment by Matthew — February 6, 2012 @ 9:18 pm

  624. Has anyone had the Atos HCP refuse to do the physical part of the exam as she felt she had heard enough and that it would be too stressful/painful?

    Comment by MissRaa — February 6, 2012 @ 10:42 pm

  625. Hello MissRaa.

    It’s not unknown but rare, let’s just hope she sees sense and makes the correct decision regarding your benefits, if what you see on the decision makers letter is not to your taste then you can get help to appeal here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 6, 2012 @ 11:57 pm

  626. I’ll never be too hopeful where Atos are concerned or the DWP’s decision makers. For the mean time it’s out of my hands, just need to wait and see what she actually said in her report. I was really surprised that she declined to carry it out.

    Trying not to stress, but as we all know it’s not easy.

    Comment by MissRaa — February 7, 2012 @ 10:06 pm

  627. MissRaa.

    It’s a waiting game, keep us informed please..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 7, 2012 @ 10:10 pm

  628. im not the only one.three yrs ago after working for my firm for numerous yrs was asked for doctors paper saying i was fit for work no joy doctors would nt give one.so went on the sick 8wks later went to atos medical can you bend you legs can you bend your arms sit up sit down no points fit for work.so went to my local cab and was told to appeal on several visits to my cab office the person taking down my details noticed a change in me.but i didnt notice untill they said whot had happened to me blackedout they asked how many times do it happen to me i said could be once twice or even up to newmerous times as i didnt count them.well the appeal i won but a few months later another atos medical i had to go to lost that one and won my appeal again but now i got to go to another one but this time i had my diagnose of my symtems a pacemaker to be fitted well two wks before i went to atos meeting i had my op.two wks later go to my atos meeting went into the room with the women who called me thirty mnts late has i was sitting down next to my wife this person said to me that she had phoned neath hospital up but ended up phoning cardiff hospital up about me and she said the doctor had informed her i had been fitted with pacemaker and would be fit for work in short while i hit the roof i asked her was she a doctor and she replyed a nurse i asked for her to get a doctor into the room to replace her as she was not a doctor and the interview was not legal.she did go out of the room they then called my wife out and told me to go back to the main waiting room .after a while oap came out and informed me that they would send me a letter with next appointment on.well ive had two letters with new dates but each one cancelled onthe second one i did get out of the young person that the doctor had packed it up having enough.well ive got my third one appointment but have ended up back in hospital with having to have a three hr op again to replace my lead in device has it had come lose .had a word with the doctor and nurses who done the op about this atos cowboys company whot this atos had told me and thier very words were its worth more than their jobs worth to talk to anybody about my op so how did this company get info on me if the hospital wont talk to them fit for work jeff davies

    Comment by jeffrey davies — February 8, 2012 @ 8:02 pm

  629. also left emails for mps glegg and hain reply off hain but are they not the goverment who put this cowboy firm in and last night sent new one to them saying all mps should hang their heads inshame in whot they are doing to the sick people of this once glorious land jeff

    Comment by jeffrey davies — February 8, 2012 @ 8:06 pm

  630. Hi Jeff.

    Now you know what we are up against, your story can be repeated a million fold and is just par for the course at ATOS don’t care.
    I suppose if the worst comes to the worst it’s appeal time and of course you will win with all the money backdated and the world spins on.

    By the way it wasn’t this Government who gave the Contract to ATOS it was the last Government, but that doesn’t let this Government of the hook because they know about ATOS corruption and have known since day one, so in my opinion they are just as guilty as New Labour and should see sense and take responsibility and get rid of ATOS and introduce new fairer assessments without all the lies and corruption.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 8, 2012 @ 8:20 pm

  631. A QUESTION ABOUT DLA IF ESA IS REFUSED

    I have recently had my DLA renewed ( I have severe CFS). I had no medical assessment and the NHS gave up helping me years ago so I have no recent medical reports and medical evidence of CFS does not exist.. They renewed my DLA on the basis of a report from my GP which wasn’t that great as she’s pressed fro time and does the bare minimum. In the past my IB has automatically been renewed on tthe basis that I have severe mobility problems and need help with personal care so qualify for DLA. If I am turned down for ESA (and lets face it from the horror stories that could easily happen!) could my DLA be at risk? Could they say “you’ve been pronounced fit for work so you don’t need your DLA?” I’m wondering if the DWP couldn’t be bothered to do a medical assessment so thought they’d leave it to Atos?

    Thanks in advance for any help/advice

    Comment by redrosa — February 11, 2012 @ 5:48 pm

  632. Hello redrosa.

    There have been reports that being pronounced fit for work has resulted in the DWP having an excuse to stop DLA, obviously the idea is to hope one doesn’t appeal, and as for the genuine ? they have to go through the horrors of waiting for an appeal…IT’S INHUMAN.

    On the forum link below, there are quite a few people on DLA and can help you with any questions, just pick a user name, log in and go to the General questions page and ask any questions you like, you will get an honest answer very quickly.
    http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/index.php

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 11, 2012 @ 7:44 pm

  633. 2 YEARS RUNNING THESE ATOS PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED MY QUESTIONAIRE SO I SENT IT RECORDED DELIVERY THE SECOND TIME, I ALSO SENT IN LOTS OF SPECIALIST REPORTS REGARDING MY CONDITION THAT STATE MY LEG IS NO LONGER DESIGNED TO WALK ON YET THEY STILL WANT TO HAVE A MEDICAL SEE IF I AM ABLE TO WORK, HOW STUPID IS THIS?

    Comment by tony houlden — February 24, 2012 @ 4:08 pm

  634. I Take my dr and specialist reports with me to the ATOS Medical as I only send them COPIES
    that way I have the originals with me and I have covering notes from my specialists stating my LIMITATIONS

    Comment by Anonymous — February 24, 2012 @ 4:14 pm

  635. Hello Tony.

    Unless you send the ESA questionnaire in early they take umbridge, so this time I’m going to send mine in hand delivered a week before the final date.
    Even then I expect these incompetent fools to lose it, god the stress these people are causing..!!

    They are asking everyone to attend a medical, to try and stop their money, bloodsucking parasites is what they are..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 24, 2012 @ 4:36 pm

  636. HELLO DWPEXAMINATION, I SENT BOTH THE QUESTIONAIRES BACK THE SAME DAY AS I RECEIVED THEM, THE 1ST ONE WAS BACK IN THE POST WITHIN 3 HOURS OF RECEIVING IT ALL FILLED IN AND COMPLETED, THEY CLAIM THEY NEVER RECEIVED IT. IME NOT SURE HOW THEY GET PAID FROM THE GOVERNMENT, CAN SOMEONE ENLIGHTEN ME ON THAT POINT?, DO THEY GET PAID A FIGURE FOR EVERY LETTER THEY SEND?, DO THEY GET PAID A FIGURE FOR EVERY EXAMINATION THEY DO?,. AND WHO PAYS FOR THE APPEALS, THERE IS NO NEED FOR THEM TO SEE ME, ALL THE EVIDENCE I HAVE PRODUCED IS LESS THAN A YEAR OLD SO WHY DO I NEED AN EXAMINATION, AND ITS ONLY 8 MONTHS SINCE MY D.L.A. WAS REINSTATED DUE TO MY CONDITION, I HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM SINCE 2003. ANY COMMENTS WOULD BE APPRECIATED. REGARDS TONY

    Comment by tony houlden — February 25, 2012 @ 7:08 pm

  637. Hello Tony.

    I found out today in a comment in the Scottish Daily record, but still unsubstantiated and cannot be 100% confirmed, that ATOS Drs and Nurses get £55 for every DLA claimant they find fit for work, and £35 for every IB/ESA claimant they find fit for work.

    What the true bonus is I don’t know, but I do know they receive a bonus system, imagine that ? a bonus system on peoples misery, how can they sleep at night ?.

    The appeal system is costing the British taxpayer around £55 million a year and rising, it doesn’t affect ATOS they still get there bonus no matter how erroneous their decisions are, it’s a disgrace and when the public finally understand what this means there will be an outcry.

    This claiming that they never received it is another piece of nonsense, it’s strange how all their correspondence seems to reach us and never get lost, but half the stuff we send them is gone AWOL..!!

    I have just filled mine in and have scanned it, and I am going to hand it in personally at the ATOS centre, by the way you should always keep copies of anything you send these jokers just in case it comes to an appeal, anything you send can get lost and does get lost, they employ the cheapest staff they can get, you know the saying ”You pay peanuts you get monkeys”, ATOS healthcare ? what a joke they are just a bunch of clowns.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 25, 2012 @ 7:34 pm

  638. thanx for that info, i got a call on thurs asking me to attend an examination next thurs and got the paperwork thru this morning the appointment is for 10.30 am and they gave me a list of times of buses and trains of how to get there, this is amazing really as they know i cannot use public transport and can only walk a very short distance with the use of crutches the walk from the station is 15 mins for an able bodied person someone is not reading the hospital or doctors reports.

    regards tony

    Comment by tony houlden — February 25, 2012 @ 7:49 pm

  639. Tony…It’s all part of the smoke and mirrors, they want to make it as tough for you as possible because one of their questions is ”HOW DID YOU ARRIVE HERE ?” I always get a lift from my brother right outside the door, because if you make the mistake in saying that you walked there then that’s asking for it, so I just get the lift and that problem is solved, of course they have other ways of making you talk, and the questions are all designed to trip you up, but so obvious that they are laughable.
    Of course I can’t claim expenses since I’m getting a lift, but on the other hand I don’t want anything of them, just to flippen well piss of out of my life..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 25, 2012 @ 8:20 pm

  640. I HAVE READ A LOT OF THE REPORTS FROM VARIOUS PPL IN THIS SITE AND NO TRUER WORDS HAVE BEEN SPOKEN, TIMES, ALTERED REPORTS, MISLEADING QUESTIONS, AND WHAT OTHER EXCUSES THEY HAVE. we need to get together and fight these ppl

    Comment by disappointed — February 25, 2012 @ 11:14 pm

  641. Your right and we have been getting together on the forum our sister site.
    ATOS don’t want you to see what’s on there http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ or here, they know that knowledge is power, and even tried to get the sister forum shut down, it didn’t work because we flipped the bird at them and moved to Iceland..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 25, 2012 @ 11:52 pm

  642. Hi back again, and wanted to say ‘WHAT A FABULOUS JOB YOU’RE DOING’ DWPexamination…. I love hearing how you’ve been able to show ATOS who’s the boss. Keep it up.

    I arrived at comments 200, and now I am facing my 5th Assessment within 24 months, things haven’t improved and I am now involved in two clinical trials … found by myself… I have applied for funding from my PCT, but that was Sept 2011…still no word.

    First trial…is for CBT, panic, anxiety for people with AUTISM, thru’ UEA and Dr Peter Langdon, as my community mental health team are not commissioned to provide care for anyone with AUTISM. I have not been able to access any level of mental health support, despite all my specialists keep referring me for EMDR, CBT etc.

    The second trial is as a result of 100mg of Morphine in 24hrs, for chronic pain… I will be starting RESOLOR for stomach blockages/constipation… a 15 week trial. Found by talking to everyone at hospital, Dr’s etc …a empathetic nurse actually looked in to it for me…I have had endoscopy upper and lower, been hospitalized for major weight loss 4st in 6 weeks.

    I am allergic to anti -inflammatory medication, and am limited on pain treatments.

    I’ve also completed Expert Patient – Self Management of Long Term Health Conditions http://www.expertpatients.co.uk

    My last ATOS report stated I should be 100% improved within 3 months??? I still cannot walk properly, cook or clean for myself and still have Autism (haven’t grown out of it like DAILY MAIL reported last week?). So yippee….can’t wait for next HOME ASSESSMENT by ATOS. They will let me know by July 27th 2012.

    Have 5 advocates including GP attending.

    Good luck to all and thank you dwpexamination.wordpress.com

    Comment by Claire - Autistic (ASD), Auto-immune compromised, Spondylosis, PCOS, Hip Recontruction, Kidney Failure, Pernicious Anemia, Ataxia and Dyspraxia, Diabetic, Agoraphobic, Depression, Stress and mental disorders. — February 26, 2012 @ 4:07 pm

  643. Hello Clair.

    Thanks for the recognition, my compadre in arms will be glad to hear it. It’s not clear in your writing if you have just won your appeal, but since they are COMING TO GET YOU on the 27th of July then you must have won.

    Obviously with the health conditions you have just described then a visit from ATOS would be a complete waste of time on their part, you would think they would give up ?, but no, still they insist in wasting their money and chasing will o the wisps.

    Reminds me of the giant traffic sign I once seen up in Scotland, one of those rectangular GIVE WAY signs, someone came along with a paint spray and wrote underneath….”WHY DON’T YOU JUST GIVE UP” I would love to hack it down and plant it outside my local ATOS healthcare centre……LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 26, 2012 @ 4:44 pm

  644. Hi,

    LOL

    It’s only due to the insight, support and information obtained here on this site I have successfully passed 4 medical assessments. I have been badgered by ATOS since May 2010.

    There was a few threats of scoring me zero…my second assessor lied and completed a zero score report while claiming I was not at home. She stated she saw me walk and go up stairs?

    I have yet to receive the apology letter promised.

    So waiting for home visit to be set between now and 27th July 2012.

    Comment by Claire - Autistic (ASD), Auto-immune compromised, Spondylosis, PCOS, Hip Recontruction, Kidney Failure, Pernicious Anemia, Ataxia and Dyspraxia, Diabetic, Agoraphobic, Depression, Stress and mental disorders. — February 26, 2012 @ 6:28 pm

  645. Hi Clair.

    Your lucky they have been hounding me since the end of 2008 and haven’t stopped since, as for ATOS lies well everyone knows they are liars now, even when they tell the truth nobody will believe them.
    Talking about insight and support help, you can pick a username and log in to the forum, http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ INFORMATION is reliable and available 24/7.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 26, 2012 @ 6:42 pm

  646. listen to this today went guildford atos and reception area was on a confrence call that was hearable very clearly there where four or five other jsa medical centre people on the phone and they where all lol about people that had been in each ov there branches that have played up or somethink funny had happened in there branches saying peoples names what ever happened to private conferdentiality

    Comment by Anonymous — February 28, 2012 @ 10:03 pm

  647. Hello Anonymous.

    This is the DWP/ATOS organisation we are talking about ? didn’t you know they can do as they like ?, say what they want ?, piss over who they like with no transparency and no comebacks..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 28, 2012 @ 11:08 pm

  648. I thought I’d let you know, I just had a call from DWP, passed medical and have been put in WRAG for 6mths (or until I’m better). If I felt up to it I’d be doing a happy dance!

    If it wasn’t for this site and others like it that offer advice and support, I’d never have managed it. Thank you!

    Comment by MissRaa — March 6, 2012 @ 2:36 pm

  649. That’s great news MissRaa, remember they can come back any time, so be prepared, any problems then give us a shout or log in to the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ you can get all the help you need there.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 6, 2012 @ 3:45 pm

  650. I got a letter today March 8, saying send back the questionairre sent to me on Feb 13. I never recieved it.

    Now Im going to lose money. I phoned for a duplicate, kept me hanging on the telephone for ages, and giving me diff numbers. –

    Now Ive got to send it back same day, wthout any supporting evidence as there won’t be time.

    My office is in Wembley near the stadium I think.

    Comment by Mr — March 8, 2012 @ 5:40 pm

  651. Mr — March 8, 2012 @ 5:40 pm – comment 652.

    This is quite common, keep a record of your expenses and present/send them (keeping copies for your records). It took a few times, but after presenting my phone bills and receipts for postage -always recorded signed for…they paid up. MY reason for this is these requests are outside the Consumer Trigger Figures for someone entitled to and on benefits. i.e. not expected or included in cost of living, for a couple receiving 198.00 or less in benefits.

    My fight included priority bills and how they’d need to be offset by spreading expenses…e.g: going without food to afford postage, pen, phone calls, fuel or transport to post office and copies.

    We live to the penny, and have no savings or room to experience additional expenses not budgeted for. Especially, since DWP often forget to get payments out on time or at all. They also have the audacity to take £13.09 per week direct from source for Crisis Loans.

    They can be pedantic, so can I.

    If you have a copy of your last form ESA50, make another copy and send with cover letter, I would also send a copy of their last medical report with another letter from your GP (with the words STRESS & ANXIETY in it at least 6 times), explaining the missing form sent; request proof of postage from them and remember adjust the signed date.

    This puts the ball back in their court.

    I am now awaiting my 5th Medical Assessment to be scheduled by home visits.

    My advocates have also supplied copies of their invoices to ATOS, for time and admin (as they know they have 72Million in tax payers money).

    Comment by Claire - Autistic (ASD), Auto-immune compromised, Spondylosis, PCOS, Hip Recontruction, Kidney Failure, Pernicious Anemia, Ataxia and Dyspraxia, Diabetic, Agoraphobic, Depression, Stress and mental disorders. — March 8, 2012 @ 6:33 pm

  652. Hello Mr.

    This is all to common these days, ATOS and the DWP are claiming they have sent out certain documents and people are not receiving them, the reverse is happening too but in a worse scale, claiming they haven’t received sicklines, ESA 50s, letters etc, it’s an absolute scandal.
    I suppose the only thing you can do is fill it in and make a complaint to ATOS, but I must let you know that ATOS refuse to release the name of the so called impartial company who deals with the complaints against ATOS, the reason they give is ”It is not in the public interest to release this information” obviously they are the company and they (seemingly) investigate themselves. What a bunch of jokers..!!

    I handed my ESA 50 Questionnaire in to the ATOS office personally on the 29th of February I’m not joking but I expect a letter saying they never received it honestly I really do, that’s how low my confidence is with ATOS healthcare.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 8, 2012 @ 7:39 pm

  653. I AM ON THE CASE OF EVERYONE WHO HAS TAKEN THE TIME TO POST A NOTE ON THIS FORUM, WHAT I WOULD REQUEST FROM YOU ALL IS PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE WRITE TO YOUR LOCAL MP WITH YOUR EXPERIENCES OF ATOS, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE ANY COPIES OF EVIDENCE WITH YOUR LETTER IT WILL HELP OUR CAUSE TO RID THESE PEOPLE OF THEIR ACTIONS, I AM ASKING MY M.P. TO READ THIS FORUM TO CONFIRM THAT THIS SITE IS ALL GEN, PLEASE DO WRITE TO YOUR M.P LETS GET THIS SORTED, I SENT A LETTER TO THE OFFICE AT WIMBLEDON FROM MY DOCTOR STATING THAT I WAS UNABLE TO GET THERE ON PUBLIC TRANSPORT, IT WAS SENT ON 03/03/12 AND GUESS WHAT, THEY HAVE NO RECORD OF IT, OH DEAR ANOTHER LETTER GONE MISSING, VERY CONVENIENT FOR THEM MY SECOND APPOINTMENT IS DUE ON MONDAY BUT UNTIL THEY TRACE THIS RECORDED DELIVERY THEY WILL MAKE ME A NEW APPOINTMENT, THIS WILL BE THE 3RD 1 IN 14 DAYS, WRITE TO YOUR M.P. NOW, ITS A FREE COUNTRY AND WE HAVE THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH MAKE YOUR POINTS MADE, I CANNOT DO IT ON MY OWN, I NEED YOUR HELP, THANKS PEOPLE, GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL.

    Comment by disappointed — March 8, 2012 @ 8:31 pm

  654. Hello disappointed.

    As I said this has been going on too long, we at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ have been sending e-mails to our MPs for the last three years and these MPs have been doing nothing, they all know that ATOS and the DWP are corrupt but they don’t care, but don’t take my word for it, pick a username and log in to the above forum and ask them ?.

    By the way, the best time to send an e-mail to your local MP is round about just before the council elections this MAY, I can guarantee you will get an answer of the bastards then, the MPs of this country are nothing but self serving scum, there I’ve said it it’s true, this I know and this I believe, and any MP who wants to join battle with me on this Blog will be sorted good and proper, and I don’t give a rats ass who it is.

    As far as I’m concerned they are all the same, cowards, not one of them would have the guts to square up to me face to face, as I said, just self serving shitbags..!!

    Oh please don’t get me started on those bastards..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 8, 2012 @ 8:56 pm

  655. Arthritic, many operations, multi-medications every day, suicide attempts and because I donot do drugs,rob houses to buy drugs or drink myself into a stooper, but this may be the final answer ATOS feels I am fit for work!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of things I said was missed out on the report My GP and my consultant will write a report but the hard faced unfeeling so-called medics at ATOS will not write to ask their opinion!!!!!!!! maybe because theirs is actually a medical one. My family dont need this anymore they have suffered enough maybe its time to end the misery THANK YOU ATOS this will be another one off your list.

    Comment by Anonymous — March 9, 2012 @ 8:21 pm

  656. Well there’s no need to do anything daft Anon, everyone has been getting ESA 85 ATOS reports that are packed with lies, everyone knows they are liars yes even the appeal tribunals, so with your consultant and DRs report you will win your appeal no problem.
    If you haven’t already done so, get a GL 24 appeal form (can pick one up from the Job centre even) and explain on the appeal form and some A4 paper how your health issues interfere with your ability to work.
    For instance your arthritis may prevent you from walking up to say 100 Metres, or 200 Metres depending on which one applies to you then you are eligible for points, if you cannot stand for any length of time then again there’s points for that as well, all the points add up, and since you only need 15 points then I envisage a win for you at the tribunal.
    If you need any kind of help then pick a username and log in to the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ they can help with the appeal.
    Also don’t forget to contact your local welfare rights or Citizens advice bureau, they can help as well, remember you are not alone, thousands of people are in the same boat as you, and are having to go through this nonsense as well, I’m expecting to be called any day for my interrogation at ATOS and I expect zero points, I’m not wasting any time worrying about it..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 9, 2012 @ 10:24 pm

  657. Readers…Do you care about your National health service, if so please sign Eoin Clarke’s petition (Will not vote for Lib-Dems again if they allow this Bill through), it’s on the right hand side of the page, and only takes a minute to sign and click your e-mail return as confirmation..

    http://eoin-clarke.blogspot.com/2012/03/lansley-refuses-court-order-to-publish.html

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 10, 2012 @ 3:50 pm

  658. Hi all

    I am having my first ATOS exam in Exeter on Monday – I have read with horror some of the comments. My application was put in to DWP in June and it was only after I threatened to contact both my MP and relevant government minister that I got a phone call the following day (coincidence? Hardly!) offering me a medical. Thankfully I am only temporarily disabled due to a number of knee operations. If I fail the exam on Monday will the DWP admit that I was not fit to work some of the time – even with the best will in the world you can’t work while you are under an anaesthetic being operated on!

    Comment by margaret jenkins — March 11, 2012 @ 12:04 am

  659. Hello Margaret.

    Well you wanted a WCA and your going to get one, on Monday you will be unfairly assessed, the HCP will try and look for any excuse to find you fit for work, a report on your functional ability ESA 85 will be prepared the minute you have left the room, what it says on there you will never know until you ask them to send you a copy.
    If you receive a letter saying you are fit for work and you don’t agree then you have to appeal immediately, you can get help to appeal from your local welfare rights office or the CAB or here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ at the forum.

    By the way, according to the DWP if you have Lung cancer,a Brain tumour, totally crippled and can hardly walk and yes under an anaesthetic and being operated on you can be found fit for work.
    But don’t take my word for it Margaret, I don’t want you to take my word for it, when you are under the anaesthetic and a DWP brown letter is placed in your hand all ready for you to wake up and read that according to the DWP decision maker you are capable of getting out of your sick bed and do a days work, that’s when you will realise what you/we are up against.

    Nothing beats hard experience..!!

    (PS) Read the following article this is the nonsense that people who receive sickness benefits are having to put up with every day. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113105/We-know-youre-dead-tell-circumstances-change-Bungling-councils-hugely-insensitive-benefits-letter-grieving-family-cancer-victim.html

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 11, 2012 @ 8:29 am

  660. thanks for the comments, they brightened my day! Forgot to mention I have been diagnosed with severe depression which is being managed with lots of medication, have adhesive capsulitis (frozen shoulder) in one arm and starting to develop in other, causes MAJOR pain which means difficult to walk on crutches, what else er oh yes diabetes. If they try and make me move bad leg or arms into positions they won’t go I will probably scream and burst into tears – will that help? Ex-husband will be there taking notes and it will all be recorded on camera phone. What is really funny though is that if the Government hadn’t raised retirement age I wouldn’t be going through this as I would be retired! Only 2 more years to go, wonder if this will be sorted out by then! I have got my GP, Hospital, Physiotherapy Dept and NHS counselling all lined up for appeal, and will also tackle MP who I voted for ha ha!

    You may be interested in the following. When my husband and I split up I had to come out of early retirement and go into the ‘system’. Unfortunately we were still living in the same house which we had divided into 2 separate living areas. I had to go for 2 ‘compliance interviews” and they make a complete cat’s breakfast of my claim and when I wrote to them outlining all the problems I not only got a very sympathetic phone call sorting it out but a one off payment of £50!

    I wish you all the very best of luck with ATOS and the DWP.

    Comment by margaret jenkins — March 11, 2012 @ 9:50 am

  661. Hello,

    At the end of September of last year, I asked a Christian Minister what I should do about my situation. I was in an abusive marriage. I came from the USA and married an English man and moved to England. My husband hit me and he screamed at me all the time. He and the landlord wouldnt fix anything at the “house” we were living in, an old broken down gatehouse inside of a Storage Unit facility. The roof started leaking so badly that the bedroom was full of mold, and no matter how much I would try to clean it up, it came right back, with black mold all over all the walls and white mold growing inside the bed drawers underneath, all in the closet etc. Even the bathroom at that end of the house was full of mold because neither of them would fix the plumbing system, the shower was leaking through to the bedroom wall, etc… where the electrical outlets were. The landlord was trying to hide the fact that we were living there by placing a huge storage unit on top of the front of our house and it was caving in the front door, and causing the rain to come in… the entire back half of the house was full of mold. I meanwhile for months was forced to sleep on the couch in the living room with a degenerated disc in my back, and a pinched nerve in my back, and also tarsal tunnel syndrome in my ankles.

    The nerves were pinched off so bad on my ankles that the Doctor in the United States who I finally got to do the proper tests on me, told the Orthopedic back doctor that he recommended surgery on both my back and my ankles. He told me personally that he couldnt see how they wouldnt operate on me, as low as my nerve readings were.

    Anyway this Christian Minister who I finally confided in about my abusive husband situation, told me contact Social Services. So I emailed them. The next day with no email from them, no phone call, no visit, no reply whatsoever, two policemen came to my house. They looked around and said I was in a dangerous place and asked if I would come with them to the station. Well the landlord was right beind them at the front door, but they asked him to leave so he did. The landlord owned that storage facility place, you see,and his office was right there. So then the police asked if I wanted to come back to my husband. Well what could I do? I was scared half to death that he would hit me or kick me out of the house, he had threatened to make me homeless more than once. Plus the landlord was right behind the police standing there and so he would be furious with me, thinking that I had called the police on him. I didnt want to live in that place, and had kept trying to get my husband to move out. So I went with the police and took my documents and my cat, and that was all, because they assured me that I could go back to get my belongings later. That turned out to be a lie, since they forgot to include the fact that they wouldnt give me a ride to my house… and I barely had any money at all with me. I told them that I refused to leave without my cat, because I love him, he was all I had during all of this abuse I’d been through.

    The “Council” put me into a hotel, the police said it would be only for one night, repeatedly. The hotel manager let me keep my cat, the the police said I could keep him,and I was worried I didnt have any more money for cat food and litter, etc. I also didnt have soap, shampoo, toothpaste, or anything else like laundry detergent to wash out my clothes and this supposed “one night stay” at the hotel was turning out to be 10 days… I met two guys downstairs at the hotel and they said they had been there a couple of months waiting to get on housing and benefits etc. I finally realized they had lied to me and that there was no telling how long I’d be there. All I had was like £65 or so, and no job, and I was disabled. They were giving me one meal a day, breakfast at 7:00 each morning and I was getting really hungry.

    I went to the nearby internet cafe and wrote an email to my husband to tell him what happened, he wouldnt even answer my email. Finally out of the blue, his son showed up at the hotel and brought me boxes of my belongings.

    Comment by Claudia — March 11, 2012 @ 10:53 am

  662. PART 2

    My son in law, who I barely even knew at that point, because I’d been keeping myself isolated because of the abuse I’d been suffering, after finding out what had happened to me, came back the next night and asked me if I’d stay with him and his girlfriend till it all got sorted out. Being that at that point I was scared out of my mind, because I had no family, friends, or money and cant work… I agreed to go with him. I have been here at their house stuck in a room upstairs for 5 months now waiting to get on Housing. They said my Housing application is suspended because they are checking on the police report,

    I have been receiving benefits money for the last couple of months or so from the Job Centre. Then they made me attend an Medical Examination. I told them everything. I gave them the Doctor’s test results and their recommendation that I have an operation etc. I had been getting back injections when I was in the United States once a year and it was causing my left hand to turn purple whenever I’d get too cold, My husband had been depriving me of heat at the house I had been in and it was making me so sick with a terrible cold that would never seem to go away. I was afraid to keep on having these injections, because of what it was doing to my body. I was scared to death of them trying to force me to go to work because I knew that if I did, my back and feet would only get worse and worse.

    I went to a doctor just a couple of weeks ago and he gave me a 6-months duration sick note because the vein on my left foot was popping out, and had a hard lump in it. I sent this to the Job Centre and they sent a message telling me they received it.

    Then yesterday I got two letters, one from the Medical Assessment place and one from the Job Centre telling me that my Benefits have been cut off effective March 7th, because I had zero points on my Medical Assessment.

    This is just absolutely wicked! After what they have done to me, practically yanking me out of my house and the police telling me they’d “get me a better place to live” and that “I shouldve called them sooner” when I didnt even call them AT ALL. I wasnt wanting them to do this to me in the first place, Im not crazy, I wouldnt go out on a limb like this… not knowing what would happen to me. All I asked them to do at Social Services is to secretly, if possible without my husband finding out about it, force the landlord to make us move out of that house. That way, I figured, I could at least be able to survive physically, and possibly get a normal bed to sleep in until I could figure out what I was going to do in my situation.

    To me it seems almost unbelievable what they have done to me and frankly I am in SHOCK right now. My son in law says he cant pay his mortgage and was wanting me to see if the housing place would just start paying him rent to keep me in the room upstairs, since I’d already been there 5 months with no end in sight. I wrote to the MP about all of this, and they were going to contact the housing department to see what they could do. Now this happened! I dont know how much longer my son in law will let me stay here. It seems like they keep trying to get me to go into a homeless shelter or womens shelter, and I dont know why. At this point, I dont trust anyone at all. I am worried that I will lose my Cat, I love him dearly. I am worried they will try and force me to get a job and I will end up permanently crippled for life. I just am in shock.

    Comment by Claudia — March 11, 2012 @ 11:09 am

  663. Hello margaret.

    Beware the camera phone, as soon as the DR (Well so called DR) sees that phone he/she will terminate the assessment immediately with a veiled threat in there that your benefits will be affected for not toeing the line, any kind of recording is disallowed, unless they give prior permission and only with professional recording equipment, so if you want to record then you must do it covertly, if you inform them upfront they will still find an excuse to deny you, obviously they have something to hide.

    Yes screaming and bursting in to tears will help them to get the message that you are in extreme pain and persuade him/her to stop torturing you, but don’t be surprised to see on your ESA 85 that it says ”Client responded well to the physical assessment. no sign of discomfort noticed” or something similar, all screams and tears will be ignored on the report, honestly you have to actually go through it to believe it Margaret.

    I know what you mean about the shared (Two seperate living areas) accommodation ? they don’t look at it that way, they just see man and wife and cut your money accordingly, any excuse to screw you for every penny they can get.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 11, 2012 @ 11:59 am

  664. Hello Claudia.

    I have read your story and it’s absolutely shocking.
    Is there a welfare rights office near you ? they can help with an appeal. So can http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ at the forum.

    You received zero points, I can tell you that is normal, their idea is to force you to appeal against the decision to find you fit for work, so that is what you must do appeal, don’t panic and take each step at a time (It’s easier to handle) first step is to ask the DWP to send you on a GL 24 appeal form and also since you want to know what you are appealing against then ask for the ESA 85 assessment report, that’s the ATOS report by the way.

    Compose the appeal, (you have a month to do so) you will notice a little box on there so just use that box as an introduction to your appeal, and explain all your health problems on a separate piece of A4 paper, as many A4s as you like. Don’t forget to put on the bottom of the appeal somewhere that you would like to be paid at the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard. That will ensure you receive some money while you wait for the appeal date.

    You could start of the appeal by writing on the little box on the GL 24 the following appeal introduction’

    Dear Sir/Madam.

    I wish to appeal against your decision to find me fit for work, I believe I have proved that my capability for work is seriously limited when I was examined by ATOS and also when I showed them my Doctors report and recommendations.

    I do not want a reconsideration, could you forward my appeal to the appeal tribunal service as soon as possible please.
    Please find attached the rest of my appeal explaining my health issues on separate sheets of A4 paper.

    And please note that in the meantime while I wait for the appeal date I wish to be paid the assessment rate.

    Thank you.

    Obviously you will have your own way of expressing your appeal, I’m giving a rough guide to the introduction and is similar to what I write.

    The reason you don’t ask for a reconsideration is because they don’t reconsider anything, it is just a ploy to gain them (not you) time.

    Meanwhile while you wait for the appeal date, contact your GP and ask if he/she can help with a written report to help support you at the tribunal.
    You will also be required to hand the DWP sick lines from your GP so keep in touch with them. There’s some good news on the horizon which is when you win your appeal and you will do, then all money the DWP owe you will be backdated, this could be up to a thousand pounds so you see since you are no doubt going to win it is worth the short time hassle for the long time gain.

    Do not sign on, but make sure you get it through to them that you are appealing and by law you are entitled to the assessment rate.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 11, 2012 @ 12:46 pm

  665. Thanks for the info regarding camera phones, I will certainly take your advice. It seems awful to have to think about an appeal before the ‘medical’.

    For information, in case anyone else is in this situation, it is possible for 2 people to be treated as single claimants that have previously had a relationship and are still living in the same house. However, it is not easy and you have to have what they call ‘compliance’ interviews. You also have to prove you have virtually 2 separate households ie own bedroom and lounge. You can share bathroom and kitchen but are expected to be self sufficient. It took me 5 months to get them to realise I wasn’t a fraudulent claimant (I think my age had something to do with it as I was 58 when the claim was sorted).

    Can anyone answer the following. If an ESA claim is refused, and tribunal also fail them, what happens at Job Centre if you turn up with a medical certificate for 2/3 months saying you are unfit for work? DWP one department say you can work, your medical professionals say you can’t. If you have failed the ESA route, can you put in a new claim and have to go through this again?

    Comment by margaret jenkins — March 11, 2012 @ 3:25 pm

  666. Thanks Margaret for the compliance information, one of the members on the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ had a similar problem, moving in with a friend and had to go through hell trying to prove they weren’t an item.

    Anyway your question regarding new claims, I can tell you this, suppose a person has failed the assessment and also their appeal was unfortunately disallowed by a tribunal, then the rule is if six months has passed since the date the DWP last informed you that you were fit for work and you have a worsening of your condition or a new health problem then that person is allowed to re-apply for Employment and support allowance.
    So the first part of that person who lost their appeal is met, because at the moment anyway it is taking at least nine or ten months for appeals to be heard, and the next part should be met easily as well because the stress an appeal induces is such that it on it’s own becomes a new health problem. So as long as you can meet these above requirements and can produce said sickline then you can start the whole rigmarole again.

    My friend lost an appeal handed in a sickline and re-applied stating a pain in her hip she never had before..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 11, 2012 @ 3:52 pm

  667. Sounds like typical Gov’t bureaucracy. Can we normally still get ESA while awaiting the tribunal? I’ve worked it out that by the time i get rejected, wait for a tribunal, then go through the whole process again due to another knee operation I will have reached retirement age …

    Comment by margaret — March 11, 2012 @ 5:09 pm

  668. Hello Margaret.

    You do get ESA during the tribunal, it’s the assessment rate ESA, that’s the basic rate without the work related component, the work related component is the part that’s backdated if you win your appeal.

    And you are correct, there is nothing to stop you even if you lose the tribunal appeal to keep re-applying for ESA until you retire, and of course the world spins on if you win the tribunal, remember if you win the appeal then within four to six months you will be recalled for another assessment..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 11, 2012 @ 6:06 pm

  669. Hi all again

    Thought you’d like to hear about my WCA yesterday in Exeter.
    The assessment centre was in a brand new purpose built building. Parking right outside including dedicated disabled parking. Only short distance through foyer to reception, all on ground floor. No doors to buzz through.

    Receptionist friendly and helpful, seating area clean and tidy, water dispenser available, receptionist by the way couldn’t see the area as it was round a corner. Variety of chairs, suitable heights for disabled, some chairs with arms, some without. Only negative so far – my friend asked at reception if I could have a wheelchair – answer was “sorry, we used to have them but we had to get rid of them for Health and Safety reasons”. Difficult to keep a straight face!!!

    Was called approx 15 minutes after appointment time. Was not followed by the way, assessor led the way, it was only a few yards.

    Was offered a choice of chairs to sit in. She was an English nurse practitioner, no communications problem. She said she didn’t mind my friend taking notes but read out some blurb from her DP/Atos ‘bible’ about not using the notes or if using the content of the notes at an appeal we musn’t mention her name.

    When i burst into tears after a few minutes due to high stress levels she offered me tissues, told me to take my time and asked if I wanted to leave the assessment for the day – I said no, as I didn’t want to come back.

    She asked a lot of questions, I gave suitable answers bearing in mind all the information I have obtained from this site and others, so spotted the ‘traps’ easily.

    She didn’t make me sit on the couch as my knee replacement was causing problems, she sat in a chair opposite me and asked me to copy her movements, and not to do anything that was difficult or painful. She did not touch any part of me at all.

    This took exactly one hour.

    Phoned DWP this morning and asked for copy of report and an appeal form to save me phoning again. I asked if she could answer questions about policy but she didn’t have a clue what I was talking about, so I put it in words of one syllable.
    I also asked what would happen if I failed medical, appeal and tribunal but my doctor still signed me off. She said I could appeal the tribunal and if I failed that my ESA claim would be closed and I would have to claim JSA. I then asked again what if I was signed off work and after a great deal of thought she said I would have to re-apply for ESA but it would have to be either a worsening of current condition or a new one. I reckon 2 ESA claims followed by appeals and tribunals should bring me nicely to retirement age. It’s not that I dont want to work but after working for 36 years without a break (I never got round to children) I need a rest.

    Sorry it’s a bit long, hope it’s of interest

    Comment by margaret — March 13, 2012 @ 9:57 am

  670. Hello Margaret.

    Thanks for taking the time to relate your ATOS experience to us.

    It’s interesting that the HCP said you cannot use those notes at an appeal and cannot mention her name ?

    Margaret…have you considered this ? suppose you receive the dreaded brown enveloped letter ? of course you are going to appeal and you already know what to do, in fact you have made preparations already just in case, but here’s my point, since anyone who has to appeal has the right to call a witness to the tribunal, what would happen if you called the HCP as a witness to your appeal tribunal ?.

    I suppose she can refuse, but i’m not 100% sure she can refuse to attend if called, this is something we are looking into, I have my assessment in a couple of weeks, and if given the go ahead by welfare rights, then I may present the ATOS assessor (after I have been assessed of course) with a statement of intention to call her/him as a witness at any future tribunal.

    I have an alternative, which is to allow the assessment and say nothing, wait for the brown one and then compose the appeal and state on there somewhere that I intend to call Dr such and such as a witness to my tribunal appeal, this will give the decision maker a serious problem to solve, will the decision maker say ”NO YOU MAY NOT CALL THE HCP AS A WITNESS” or fudge the issue by just ignoring the request that the HCP must attend my tribunal appeal.

    No ATOS HCP is going to want to waste their day attending an appeal, somehow the DWP are going to have to find a way round this, and I don’t know about you but I’m not seeing it, I can’t see a way they can allow the HCP to attend the appeal, so they either find in my favour and state I’m not fit for work, or refuse to allow the HCP to attend the appeal.
    A refusal to attend is not going to look good at an appeal is it ?.

    Anyway this is just one of the thoughts running through my skull these days, I will look into it and let you know what I intend to do.

    Nobody makes a fool out of JOE C BLOGS…LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 13, 2012 @ 10:28 am

  671. got to have an assessment at york on friday 16/3/2012 any tips regarding this process i am signed off till 22/04 i am going to struggle if what i have read on here is the norm would it be a good idea to have someone with me to help

    Comment by philip calvert — March 13, 2012 @ 2:11 pm

  672. I have an assesment next week at Preston, has anyone had experience of this centre?

    Comment by karen — March 13, 2012 @ 2:49 pm

  673. Hello Phillip.

    You will be asked basic questions at your assessment Phillip, things like how did you arrive there ? can you lift your arm to touch your head, what do you do with your spare time ? have you any hobbies ? all these questions are designed to catch you out and find you fit for work, I’m not trying to frighten you but rather tell you the truth so expect the most stupidest of questions you have ever heard in your life.
    It doesn’t usually last long they want you in and out as fast as possible, the more people they get through that day and find fit for work the more bonus they get so the real struggle starts with the letter from the DWP and depends on what it says on there determines what you are going to do next.
    If they give you any problems then go to the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ they can help you in a way you wouldn’t believe..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 13, 2012 @ 3:03 pm

  674. I had an ESA50 through the post and was due back by 13th Feb. I have chronic illnesses all back up by doctors. I sent it back eaqrly by a week and not heard anything yet. I still get my money through ok. How long does this take. ?

    Comment by Anonymous — March 13, 2012 @ 3:24 pm

  675. Can take any amount of time before you hear from them, could be a couple of weeks or even in some cases months.
    If they phone and ask if you would like an early appointment, do not accept, because it means they are trying to overbook, this means you have no proof other than a phone call, and can send you away without seeing you that day.
    So make sure you ask them if they call for any appointments that you wish the appointment in writing rather than just accepting dubious calls from them.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 13, 2012 @ 4:02 pm

  676. got to have an assessment at york on friday 16/3/2012 any tips regarding this process i am signed off till 22/04 i am going to struggle if what i have read on here is the norm would it be a good idea to have someone with me to help

    Comment by philip calvert — March 13, 2012 @ 2:11 pm

    I would certainly get someone to go with you, if you haven’t already ask for the interrogation to be recorded, they may then cancel the one on Friday and make a new appointment, just don’t say you want to cancel because you want it recorded tell them you would like the assessment on Friday recorded. Call them ASAP and tell them don’t turn up on Friday and tell them.

    Comment by Terminator — March 13, 2012 @ 10:36 pm

  677. As the so-called HCP are unqualified computer or/and IT operators and the technical/operational status of the equipment has not been approved by the claimant……..would it be possible to insist that the computer in the assessment office is checked by your own appointed computer systems analyst and if the HCP refuses, then insist that if your appointed and approved computer systems cannot check the functionality of their computer system, then the claimant is quite entitled for their companion to bring their laptop (to use that to take notes and record the full assessment process via ie WMA) unchecked by any Atos personnel or their subcontractors? Does it say anything in law or case law that a claimant’s companion cannot take a laptop and use it at an Assessment?

    …..and btw the Address you gave for the ATOS Customer Service Manager in Lawnswood, Leeds….use to be the government Medical Assessment Centre for Incapacity Benefit before ATOS was on the scene, as I have attended there on an annual basis to assess me for IB since 2000.

    Comment by Tony — March 14, 2012 @ 3:10 am

  678. Hello Tony.

    Many a person has sent in a FOI asking how the LIMA system works, the replies are all the same, none of your goddam business and we have weighed up the public’s right to know with the commercial sensitivity of the LIMA system which is owned by the DWP, and we have decided if the LIMA system was released to the public it would compromise the future hiring out of the LIMA system etc etc.

    It’s all bollocks and of course a desperate fob off, but you are welcome to give it a go Tony, if you take notes then that is allowed, they can’t stop you or your friend from taking notes, but they have a pre-arranged script which they read, something like ”You cannot use these notes for the purpose of an appeal, and if you do appeal then you must not mention my name” another load of nonsense, there’s nothing to stop you saying ‘Yes ok I will not mention your name etc’ since her/his name will be on the ESA 85 report anyway then it just shows how desperate they are to try and put you off, it also demonstrates they have something to hide. By the way as far as I know no one has replied ”The assessment hasn’t even started yet but your talking about appeals, sounds as if you have already made up your mind how this assessment is going to go” and it’s true, the HCP has already decided you have failed before the assessment has begun.

    Still an interesting proposal Tony, please let us know how you get on..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2012 @ 5:50 am

  679. Interesting point about having the HCP as a witness at a tribunal, but if the reason for the tribunal to take place is that the claimant believes that the report by the HCP is not accurate therefore giving a ‘false zero points’ then what is to stop the HCP from just repeating at the tribunal what they reported in the first place? The claimant is not allowed to produce notes so it may be difficult to prove you are right and they are wrong.

    Like many of you, I have been thinking long and hard about this and believe the only way this can be resolved is for every single claimant to insist upon having the WCA recorded officially. Not only will this take up a lot of time but should resolve the issue of false reports. Thoughts on this please

    In answer to the person who asked how long it takes to get a WCA it took me 6 months and they phoned up the day after I threatened to write to both my MP and the Health Minister. I asked at the meeting why it took so long and she said there were millions of people waiting and they are now assessing people who applied previous July. What on earth are they doing with all the £millions that the Govt is paying them if not to employ more people?

    Does anyone have recent experience of what actually happens at a tribunal? Is it just a rehash of the WCA?

    So far I’ve won every battle I’ve had with the DWP and as I said in an earlier post, even got financial compensation from them (is this a first?). So don’t give up anyone!!

    Comment by margaret — March 14, 2012 @ 8:27 am

  680. Hello Margaret.

    Who says you are not allowed to produce notes at a tribunal ? the HCP ? have you ever heard the old saying, he/she would say that ?.

    There is no law that says you cannot produce notes at a tribunal if it aids your appeal, don’t listen to nonsense like that, if it was true then why would the HCP even bother to tell you it was true.

    For the record you can produce notes at a tribunal if the appeal members ask, but you can’t force them to listen, they must ask, there is a subtle difference and ATOS know it, that is why they try and convince you that you can’t use notes at a tribunal.

    You say ”but if the reason for the tribunal to take place is that the claimant believes that the report by the HCP is not accurate therefore giving a ‘false zero points’ then what is to stop the HCP from just repeating at the tribunal what they reported in the first place?”

    There’s nothing to stop them, that’s the whole point ? but if an appellant has lung cancer for instance and HAS MEDICAL SUPPORT the HCP will have to demonstrate to the panel why he/she believes that person can possibly be fit for work, how can that person possibly FAIL TO meet the Government descriptors if he/she was/is wheezing after walking ten feet and coughing up blood, and that’s the whole point THEY CAN’T, and they are not going to sit there and lie through their back teeth to another Doctor and Judge.

    They may lie on a functional assessment report, that’s different because they aren’t asked by anyone in any kind of authority to justify it, but they won’t lie in a court of law, and the appeal tribunal is a court (Although minor) of law, the law has to be obeyed, you can’t just make up stories in there and get away with it, the ATOS Dr will come across as totally without any kind of credibility .

    So if the ATOS HCP is asked to attend as a witness, then that person is between a rock and a hard place, turn up and try and demonstrate to the panel that in their opinion that person with the crushed kneecaps is not eligible for Employment and support allowance in other words that person is not eligible to get help in getting back in to work or on the other hand admit he/she was wrong after all and the appellant is entitled to ESA.

    This is the whole POINT Margaret, the HCP cannot attend the tribunal (besides the fact it costs them money) because he/she would have to concede or make himself look like a Jackass in front of another Dr and Judge. And since they are not fools then it stands to reason they are going to refuse to turn up, somehow the DWP and ATOS will have to justify why they can’t attend, if they can pull some stunt and get away with it (which I’m sure they will do) that is find an excuse not to attend then as in any court of law, it doesn’t make their case viable if they don’t think it’s worth bothering enough to even turn up as a witness.

    They can send a presentation officer from the DWP, they sometimes do that anyway (Although it’s rare) but that is not the same because you are not calling that DWP case officer as a witness, you are calling the ATOS Dr/HCP as a witness, and you are calling that person by name and GMC registration number.

    The DWP and ATOS have got serious problems to solve if every single person informs the ATOS HCP they are required to attend a tribunal as a witness, they will not be able to sustain it, they will not be able to carry out their contract with the DWP because they will be tied up visiting appeal courts every day instead of doing what they are experts at which is fabricating functional assessments to present to the DWP.

    Which comes to my last and final point, we don’t expect them to turn up and try and justify their erroneous decisions, we expect them to refuse, so when the appellant sits down at the appeal tribunals table, and there is no ATOS HCP in sight, and remember the DR and the Judge have just read on your appeal that you called the HCP as a witness to support either your appeal or justify why he/she has found one fit for work, when one is on crutches and can barely walk or is coughing up blood with the cancer, then please explain to me how that ATOS Dr can have any kind of creditability whatsoever if they are not there to justify what they have written on an official document which can mean the difference of life or death to a person ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2012 @ 9:55 am

  681. Thanks very much for this – I had not realised exactly what a tribunal is, I thought it was just a glorified WCA. Hopefully your comments will help lots of others as well. I’ll try your method if I have to go to tribunal.

    Comment by margaret — March 14, 2012 @ 10:59 am

  682. For those of you who haven’t seen this I urge you to have a look. It is the Parliamentary Debate on WCA. I particularly liked the quote from one MP

    “Another problem is that information is unofficially gathered during the assessments. One of my constituents is deaf, but he was told that he could not possibly be deaf because he heard his name being called in the waiting room. Clearly, while he was waiting he was looking at the door in order to lip-read.”

    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2012-02-01b.267.0#g291.1

    Comment by margaret — March 14, 2012 @ 11:42 am

  683. Hello Margaret.

    I’m looking in to this and I will get back to you when I have more information, I want to see how the powers that be grovel out of this, they must have something surely ? it can’t be this easy ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2012 @ 3:42 pm

  684. I can tell you a better one than that, and was related to television viewers all over Britain by Danny Alexander (before he turned coat and went with the Tories) A man in his constituency had his ATOS assessment and the ATOS Dr didn’t even notice he had one leg !!.

    This is not fiction this is a fact, the ATOS bozo didn’t even notice he had only one leg. The worlds gone flippen mad..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2012 @ 3:46 pm

  685. Have insomnia, found this on internet.

    It’s the handbook assessors are given, some interesting bits but haven’t read it all as it’s 186 pages long and a bit turgid.

    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/wca-handbook.pdf

    Training & Development
    Revised WCA Handbook
    ESA (LCW/LCWRA) Amendment Regulations 2011

    Comment by margaret — March 15, 2012 @ 12:31 am

  686. Thanks Margaret, I will put it in the links section on the forum, It may be in there already but will stick it in again.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 15, 2012 @ 2:53 am

  687. Hi there its Tony again……I apologise if I didn’t make myself clear in my last post. I was not just referring to the LIMA system (which is the software run on the computer) but the actual computer terminal as well. My friend’s son is a Computer Systems Analyst and analyses both the software (the programs contained on a computer) and the hardware (the actual computer, keyboard, mouse, external modems etc) and he has agreed to accompany both myself and my companion to any medical assessment (my companion has studied Law at University when she took her Business Management degree).

    So my question is could my companion take in her laptop and record the notes of the Assessment on that? I have also been told legally that it is essential that you get the full name and the profession and their GMC/NMC etc number of the person examining you………and also, as ATOS are treating the patients that they are examining and referring to patients as customers, then before signing anything make sure that the letters E & O E are not included anywhere, (this terms means Errors and Omissions Excepted) as this is a legal term that tries to limit their liability if they make a fraudulent statement or assumption about you.

    As for the warning that any notes cannot be held up in a court of law (or tribunal) and not to mention them by name……..all you have to say to the HCP is ……….. are they qualified to make that legal statement, and if they are ask them to state what Act, Year, Paragraph, Section and Subsection and the legal case it refers to. If they refuse to answer or completely ignore you, then you can just say to the HCP………..I assume by your silence and you ignoring my question that you do not know and therefore I will not take your statement as legal fact.

    I have been told legally, that anyone can take their notes into any Court of Law (which includes Tribunals) if the notes are taken at the actual meeting, and present them as evidence (including naming the HCP).

    As a Tribunal is a Court of Law, you have the right to call any witnesses you see as relevant to your case (including a HCP), and to have a legal summons sent to the HCP. The HCP cannot refuse on the grounds that they are too busy working or that the HCP says that they are off work sick. As this has to be verified in writing by a fully qualified General Practioner, with whom the HCP attends as a domestic resident. If they still refuse to attend the Tribunal, you can request an adjourment and request the police bring the HCP to court, by showing them the legal summons and the HCPs failure to appear, as this is classed as Contempt of Court.

    So don’t take the verbal bullshit that the HCP tries to feed you.

    I’m sorry that I seem negative, however, as I was a Boy Scout in my younger days…. I believe in the motto…….BE PREPARED……..and when I’m summoned for the Medical Assessment, I will be.

    My companion has also agreed to do some research on Consumer Law (the provisions of Services), Fraudulent Misrepresentation, Criminal Liable and the admissability of CCTV footage, outside the building and inside the building, as your consent was not requested and you did not agree to it been filmed or used of you.

    I will let you know how my friend’s research comes along.

    ALL DISABLED PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HEARD
    NOT MISREPRESENTED
    OR DISCRIMINATED TO BY ANYONE IN ANY WAY.

    ALL DISABLED PEOPLE HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS IN LAW AS ABLE-BODIED PEOPLE.

    Comment by Tony — March 15, 2012 @ 5:53 am

  688. Hello Tony.

    Thanks Tony for explaining all that, it must have took you ages.
    Anyway…this taking a lap-top in by your friend to take notes ? I personally don’t see the difference between that and a notebook or a piece of paper, so I don’t believe they have any right whatsoever to stop your friend from taking notes on any kind of material she wishes.

    The HCP will not allow you anywhere near their computer though, if asked they will refuse point blank and probably threaten you with ”Your benefits may be affected if you insist on interfering with this computer and it leads me to call the assessment off” have you seen the state of their computers Tony ? old equipment that used to contain windows three and four, for an IT (well so called) company their system is an embarrassment, manky looking keyboards as well, you wouldn’t want to touch them just in case you catch something.

    ”As a Tribunal is a Court of Law, you have the right to call any witnesses you see as relevant to your case (including a HCP), and to have a legal summons sent to the HCP. The HCP cannot refuse on the grounds that they are too busy working or that the HCP says that they are off work sick. As this has to be verified in writing by a fully qualified General Practioner, with whom the HCP attends as a domestic resident. If they still refuse to attend the Tribunal, you can request an adjourment and request the police bring the HCP to court, by showing them the legal summons and the HCPs failure to appear, as this is classed as Contempt of Court.”

    As for calling an HCP to a tribunal ? I’m looking in to this, and I’m getting conflicting reports from different people so far, if what you say is true Tony then ATOS healthcare are finished, they cannot carry out their contract with the DWP and attend appeal courts at the same time it’s just impossible, ATOS can’t even cope with the workload they have at the moment.

    So I’m still definitely going to look in to this in case it’s something we can use, if what you have said is really true then as I said ATOS are up the creek without that paddle, as for all these conflicting reports I have been receiving the last two days ? in a couple of weeks I will copy and paste the lot on this Blog all in order (Without identifying names of course) and we can debate the different reasons why some people say they are forced to turn up as a witness to an appeal tribunal by law, and some people say they can refuse to turn up with no come backs or accountability.

    Personally my view is (and so far is just an opinion, I’m willing to change it) they can refuse to turn up because the tribunals will say something like he already is a witness because he/she has signed their name to the written assessment (ESA 85) therefore doesn’t need to turn up in person or something along those lines.
    I don’t believe the appeal service is as impartial as they make out, and in my opinion they tend to take the side of a professional over a layman every single time.
    But as I said it’s an interesting idea and I will work on it over the next few weeks, I’m also open to future suggestions from you or your friend or anyone who reads this.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 15, 2012 @ 9:01 am

  689. Reply to Question 674.

    Hello Karen.

    I apologise for not getting back to you sooner, I believe Annana on the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ just may know about Preston, If not ? there are people on the forum who live around that general area and can help you, just visit the general discussion page on the above forum and just ask, you will get an answer very quickly.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 15, 2012 @ 9:19 am

  690. If we can take anyone to act as witness as a tribunal, can we not use ourselves as ‘expert witnesses’ as presumably we have to be sworn in to tell the truth etc.

    I know myself and my capability of working better than anyone from Atos, DWP or NHS as I have been working for over 35 years without a break and know exactly what I am capable of doing, or not.

    Comment by margaret — March 15, 2012 @ 1:36 pm

  691. Hello Margaret.

    When we attend a tribunal we don’t get sworn in, it’s a Micky mouse court, but a very strong mouse though because these people are making decisions that affect your life, not their life, they honestly couldn’t give a rats ass about our lives basically.

    When we attend the tribunal, we do so in person (Unless we ask for a paper hearing) so this means we are our own witnesses.

    And are asked direct (sometimes very personal) questions on why we believe our capability to work is limited. How we answer can be the difference between getting the appeal allowed or disallowed.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 15, 2012 @ 1:57 pm

  692. why not go the whole hog and sub poena the DWP Minister to testify that the Atos system doesn’t work – he’s more or less admitted it in the parliamentry debate

    saffron

    Comment by SAFFRON — March 15, 2012 @ 11:17 pm

  693. Hello SAFFRON.

    Because I already know the ATOS assessment doesn’t work and so does everybody else, my intention was to ask the HCP (who found me fit for work and is a witness) how he can justify his decision to award me less than 15 points (therefore not entitled to help getting back in to work) at the tribunal, because it’s not the decision maker who decides whether you get help back in to work or not, it’s the ATOS Dr, the decision maker rubberstamps everything the ATOS Dr says, and can’t be a witness and couldn’t be a witness anyway, he/she wasn’t present at the assessment.

    So how could the DWP minister (or anyone else for that matter) be a witness if he wasn’t even there at the assessment ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 16, 2012 @ 1:37 am

  694. I would call him as an expert witness, to testify that the Atos assessment has flaws, he has admitted this already in the Parliamentary debate. Expert witnesses don’t need to be present at the assessment.

    Comment by SAFFRON — March 16, 2012 @ 8:17 am

  695. Hi SAFFRON.

    Of course he wont go, he would have to find a way to grovel out, ok good point, I’ll keep that in mind Saffron..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 16, 2012 @ 9:10 am

  696. MUST READ!!!!!

    If you recall, I had a WCA in Exeter last Monday. I have just checked my bank account and found a payment from DWP ESA of nearly £700. It means not only that I must have passed the WCA but they have already paid arrears.

    I was absolutely stunned. Money won’t clear until Monday – I’ll feel happier then.

    Not sure what I did right but many thanks to all of you who have offered help and advice and given me a better understanding of the system.

    Comment by margaret jenkins — March 17, 2012 @ 7:43 am

  697. Go on Margaret don’t be shop shy on Monday TREAT YOURSELF..!!

    Perhaps you frightened them at the WCA when you started talking about appeals etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 17, 2012 @ 8:09 am

  698. plan is to spend just over half on an i Pad as I can’t sit at the computer for long and squirrel the rest away in case I fail the next assessment. I’ll also be able to buy diabetes test stuff which NHS won’t fund!

    I have a long held belief that there is a huge variation in different parts of the country in how people are treated and I think that Devon must be one of the best. When I have signed on (last year) I was never kept waiting more than a few minutes and when I have gone to the council (usually to complain about my LHA being stopped) I have never had to wait more than 3 minutes. I know this is probably very unusual.

    I’m wondering if Atos have finally been told to stop failing everyone – what do you think?

    Comment by margaret jenkins — March 17, 2012 @ 8:37 am

  699. Hello Margaret, an i pad ? sounds good and very sensible, yes you are correct when you say that some parts of the Country are treated better, that’s probably more down to luck than anything else, but hey that’s not your fault is it ? so it’s a good idea to squirrel some Captain cash away because you never know when that dreadful letter will come through the door again.

    Good luck.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 17, 2012 @ 11:17 am

  700. had a atos medical at lancaster and what aload of bull on my report..ie i managed to carry 2 bags ..i managed to remove my coat and put back on managed to bend down.i managed to use a mobile phone.i top up my own gas and electric meters with keys .ie would you like to take your coat of you look very hot reply no thank you i have had a panic attack while waiting in the room.oh what brought that on reply as i was in the room with strangers.would you like to take your coat of i replied no as im not dressed i have my pyjama top on.oh why is that i replied i dont get any help till 10 my appointment at 9.10.do you have a mobile phone i replied yes could you not of contacted them to ask to call early as you was going out early.i replied i have hearing aids and don’t use the phone at all its in case of emergency and to put my mind at ease as i have a son who is a self harmer.she as stated i use my phone ..she as bloody lied all the way and scored me zero now im in the process of along awaited appeal..

    Comment by dwpajoke — March 20, 2012 @ 3:56 am

  701. Hello dwpajoke.

    Don’t forget to ask for help from the welfare rights or CAB ?, they will be extremely busy but will try their best to help, they know all about these fallacious assessments and are sickened by them as well, but unlike me they can’t just tell everyone the truth to their face because they have to have a professional approach to all their clients.
    So don’t delay, get their help and win that appeal, they can also advise on how you can get a GPs report for free, if you don’t already have one, you really need some written medical report that’s not from ATOS to help you at the appeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 20, 2012 @ 11:45 am

  702. Norwich Assessment center – now bans wheelchairs and their users.

    http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/protest_at_norwich_disability_centre_which_barred_wheelchair_user_1_1328358

    This was the center that caused me all my problems, I told them I would not be safe in June 2010, they only made home visit after providing evidence from GP.

    Comment by Claire - Autistic (ASD), Auto-immune compromised, Spondylosis, PCOS, Hip Reconstruction, Kidney Failure, Pernicious Anemia, Ataxia and Dyspraxia, Diabetic, Agoraphobic, Depression, Stress and mental disorders. — March 24, 2012 @ 3:26 pm

  703. Thanks Claire, I’ve left it on the new forum as well http://dwpexamination.org/

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 24, 2012 @ 4:36 pm

  704. Cheers Kev…It’s going in the new forum as well http://dwpexamination.org/

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 25, 2012 @ 7:23 am

  705. Have now got ipad – very useful as I can use it in a comfortable relaxed position with legs up etc.

    Have also got report from DWP. It is very long and very detailed. At my WCA I didn’t say ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to anything but gave long detailed account of my problems. I am pleased to report that the written assessment seemed very accurate, I couldn’t detect any mistakes. Only thing is Nurse Practitioner said I should be OK to work in 6 months. I think that is a medical decision and my orthopaedic surgeon said it would take a year until I was up and running. If I write to the DWP do you think they will let me know how many points I got – this wasn’t included in the report and I want to know this before attending another WCA.

    Comment by margaret jenkins — March 25, 2012 @ 9:32 pm

  706. Yes Margaret…It’s important that you write to the DWP and ask them to send you the score sheet.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 26, 2012 @ 4:22 am

  707. hello, would anyone happen to know where the Atos medical centre is in Aberystwyth, as i intend to go there in person now and ask what qualifications this Dr Ian Wilson has got professional medical practitioner is what was written on my husbands report. There is no information on the computer about him, so if i turn up in person like a bad penny, would they give me the information i require? he stated on the report that my husband would improve in health over time with the right treatment and medication. Well for his information, there is no treatment for a lung disease called sarcoidosis, infact there is no cure, they can only give you steroids to make you feel a little better which is what my husband was taking a high dose of, and yes sadly he died of his condition. This medical practitioner needs to learn a lot more about lung diseases before he can assess anyone fit for work. I intend to sniff him out like a rat, because in my opinion that is what he is. Many thanks for listening.
    Mrs J Simpson

    Comment by Mrs J Simpson — March 28, 2012 @ 9:35 am

  708. Going for a medical tomorrow. I’ve worked all my life until i lost my job in 2009. I started work aged 16 in 1974, and worked tirelessly for 35 years. I’m suffering from joint pain in my knees and the doctor told me I have possible Fybromyalgia in other parts of my body which causes me great pain and discomfort. Is is worth me telling the assessor of my long work record or will he/she find this irrelevant?. Also, if I fail to gain enough points is it better to accept their decision and go back onto Jobseekers (hopeless me finding suitable work!!), or should I appeal?

    Comment by Tom Horwat — April 1, 2012 @ 9:41 pm

  709. Hi Tom.

    The assessor will probably ask you what you have worked at before anyway, I had an assessment today and was asked that very question amongst others.
    If you fail the assessment then don’t worry, that’s normal these days, you can appeal it’s not a problem to arrange an appeal in fact it’s simple especially if you accept help to make it less wearisome, and you can get all the help you need here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ just think up a username and log in and ask any questions you like they are in the same boat as you and can be very helpful.
    If you appeal then you can concentrate on the walking and standing descriptors, those two alone will get you more than the necessary points at the tribunal, by the way if you go to appeal then a report from your GP or hospital Consultant would help, they (GPs) want paid and you can get legal aid for that, let me know and I will direct you to the correct path.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 1, 2012 @ 11:30 pm

  710. Thanks for your reply. I had the medical assessment this morning, to be fair to the assessor, she was quite friendly and “seemed” to be fairly sympathetic and understanding. But I’m not counting my chickens for a successful hearing, i think it’s probably 50/50. I will be quite shocked if I receive that dreaded “0” points.
    Thanks for the forum link, it sounds like a really good idea for those who have been unfairly treated. I was in the Jobcentre a few months ago and I was shocked by the number of people coming in who were clearly incapable of working, having to sign on. I’m on ESA and I’m still being asked to go in and speak to an advisor.

    Comment by Tom Horwat — April 2, 2012 @ 1:50 pm

  711. i was noted as carrying a small bag with both hands, do you want to know what i was carrying? a pair of gloves, my appointment letter and the back of my prescription because they wanted to see my meds and they are to heavy to carry.
    its corrupt – i told her that i couldnt sleep until 4am because i was in pain and that was ommitted from the letter they sent back – i suffer from inflamotory conditions where it is imperative that i rest when i have flare ups but according to them even though i’m in pain its not important.
    these swines are as evil Dr Mengle and his henchmen.
    they arent there to help the disabled – they are there to irraticate us.

    Comment by starman — April 5, 2012 @ 6:35 pm

  712. Hi Starman.

    Your right they have no interest whatsoever in listening to anything you have to say unless it suits their agenda..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 5, 2012 @ 9:51 pm

  713. I have my ATOS asessment 23 April. Mine is for DLA only. I was diagnosed with RA and Srogens in late 2005 and severe vitamin D defficiency in Jan 2012. I applied for DLA in November 2011 because GP suggested I might want to apply for medical retirement. Not a chance! I need my job to help support my daughter with even more serious autoimmune illnesses. She lives in US and is about to lose her job and medical insurance. I have to work. END OF!

    My condition worsening over last year, lot of pain, missed work (12 days sick due to disability only 3 not related to disability and 6 days working from home due to disability). I nearly lost my job in December (Councy Council cuts). GP then suggested I apply for DLA. So I did. Got several interim letters telling me they were requesting reports from RA consultant and then from GP. Please be patient there is a backlog yada yada yada. I know they were hanging on until the ATOS for DLA kicked in in April. Whatever.

    My husband (also working more than full time – college lecturer) provides some daily support with grooming, dressing, cooking and lots of transport to and from work. I am on my own for med appointments. Bus not doable anymore. Must taxi. Lots of appointments, blood work, pain clinic, RA clinic, dental hygenist for srogens, etc so forth. In last few months been applying (as I find out about them) for blue badge, bus pass, Access to Work etc and getting them. Very helpful.

    Shaking in my shoes about the ATOS assessment. I thought they were only to determine if you are fit to work. I have a job, so clearly I am working whether I am fit or not. So why do I need assessment to get DLA? I thought DLA was to help support you with your disability. I have taken the online PIP and might probably get full daily support which I don’t need as my husband helps me and zero mobility which I do need for taxi fares to numerous medical appointments. It is all bass ackwards as my Mamma would say.

    Comment by TamH — April 18, 2012 @ 2:23 pm

  714. Hello TamH.

    No they are assessing you for DLA to see if they can find a way to stop you getting it, that means assessing you to see if you are totally crippled or just crippled, if your just crippled then they will stop your DLA, the days of DLA being an out of work benefit are over.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 18, 2012 @ 3:11 pm

  715. I had my medical assessment back October last year. Got the ‘results’ back and it was nil points for me. I suffer with Fibromyalgia and most days are very hard to deal with (severe fatigue, lethargy, depression). Anyway, after 5 months I finally got a copy of the medical assessment through the door – and there are alot of discrepancies in there from the ‘NURSE’ who assessed me.

    The best one was: ‘Appeared to have no difficulty opening the door with right hand and pushing the pushchair’ – It was the nurse who opened the door for me! Yes I pushed a pushchair out the door, how else was I supposed to manage getting home, levitate?

    The next one that made me laugh was: ‘On the whole functions well on a typical day.’ – And how would THEY know how I function on a ‘typical’ day? They don’t. My days vary dramatically.

    Apart from opening to the first page of the form ,the NURSE not Doctor failed to do anything else. What I said was ignored or twisted, the examination completed in record time.

    There were a fair few others in there, but those were the best two so far. Do these people know anything? Are they all there? The woman from the DWP (who has NO medical know how what so ever) agreed with the nurse!

    I appealed and failed, so now gathering info to send forward to the tribunal. Which I have 2 weeks to do. They didn’t give me enough time to appeal first because I was on holiday when I got the letter explaining everything and that I have a month to reply for an appeal.

    I am going to fight this til the end and I am not backing down. Money or not, I want to prove a point.

    Comment by K.D — May 1, 2012 @ 12:12 pm

  716. Hello KD.

    They have been told (ordered ?) to write these reports that way, that’s the way the Government want them written, of course sooner or later it has to backfire because now the GPs, Consultants, Social workers, Welfare rights officers, Citizens advice and let’s not forget the first tier tribunals are all beginning to realise that people like you and I are not lying, it’s them who are lying.

    And that’s the problem if one is a compulsive liar, no one is going to believe a word you say, this ATOS (With the connivance of the DWP) practice of fabricating functional assessment reports has worked (Meeting their contract) for a while because it’s to fantastic to be credible, to fantastic to be believed by any right thinking person, now that’s over, people know the truth now (Or getting to know) and that’s ATOS problem they have shot themselves in the foot for ever, no one will ever believe and trust them again, the mere sight of ATOS on their future CVs will be repulsive to future employers, and any integrity they had is destroyed for ever.

    Well they asked for it and they are going to get it, I for one don’t give a rats ass about them do you ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 1, 2012 @ 1:35 pm

  717. Those who work for Atos are truly the lowest of the low. You have to be crawling on your belly scum of the earth to fabricate reports about the sick and disabled and claim they are fit for work when they aren’t. Anyone with any sort of conscience should resign from workng for Atos and blow the whistle. People out there are literally dying because of their vile practices. No doubt they claim they are “only following orders” (hmm who else claimed that!). They are relying on us not fighting back. It is hard to fight when you’re ill/disabled but we need to do all we can to put pressure on Atos workers, Atos and a Tory government worse than Thatcher! I have been giving them hell and they backed down over refusing me a home visit when i let them know I am very aware of how they operate and threatened to go public.

    Comment by redrosa — May 1, 2012 @ 3:59 pm

  718. I had a medical with ATOS nearly 2 weeks ago. I have multiple conditions. BUt my opinion on this is that it is a total waste of money. he government claims that the country is broke, well they can do without this shambolic compnay going through people’s illnesses and only ever met them the once. What are doctors for, we have a health system and the public sector could have done this for free as it’s not profit gained. I would think that a more honest outcome would come out of this but when you are dealing with a company that is profit run, they will do anything to make the last penny.
    Taxpayers need to find out what is really going on but too many people have been silenced. This seriously needs to stop and find a real way to fine the real fraudsters. People who went sick 15 years ago for an episode of diareah 15 years ago and still on IB and possibly working. People with real illnesses and disabilities are the ones really suffering here.

    Comment by A — May 1, 2012 @ 4:12 pm

  719. Hello A.

    Everyone will/is being called in for an ATOS assessment no matter who they are, it’s just a matter of time, we should concentrate our efforts in exposing these criminals..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 1, 2012 @ 5:11 pm

  720. Atos are actually committing fraud by deliberately forging medical assessment forms. They do not represent what the claimant says and in probably many cases have forged the answers. If a claimant fills in an ESA form fraudulently they would be prosecuted. Atos should be prosecuted for their fraud. By the way it’s not helpful to focus on benefit fraudsters. The percentage is tiny and this tiny minority are used to persecute the rest of us. Millions more is unclaimed in benefits than is defrauded. And lets never forget the billions in tax evasion by the rich. Benefit fraud is a drop in the ocean compared to the rich tax dodgers. The government are not doing this to save money. They have spent far more than they could ever save in appeals. They are doing it to whip up hatred against the sick and disabled and use us as scapegoats for the bankers mismanagement of the economy.

    Comment by redrosa — May 1, 2012 @ 9:04 pm

  721. Well my medical was recorded. My dictaphone was hidden in my coat pocket and the whole thing came out crystal clear. I have made a few copies. I will be interested to see what was typed by the nurse as she asked a question and began tpying ecven before I answered her. Well I will be very interested to see this report and if things were put down that differes to what was said(you can here her typing on tape before i began to answer) I will seek advice on this.

    Comment by A — May 1, 2012 @ 9:17 pm

  722. I have to agree with you 100 % redrosa, and I’m glad to see at least some people are getting the message, it’s not about saving money, it’s about taking that money from you and giving it to Camerons rich friends..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 1, 2012 @ 9:25 pm

  723. Hello A.

    That’s the best thing to do if the ESA 85 differs from what you said and what you recorded, get advice on how you can use it to your advantage.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 1, 2012 @ 9:39 pm

  724. The HCP’s report has the words CLAIMANT STATES: before what the HCP has typed in what they have supposed to have said I have said before that this IMHO is short for CLAIMANT STATEMENT: It is time to have a recording of all assessments only a fool wouldn’t want theirs recording, IMO. There is no reason why the claimant should be the one who speaks it isn’t the law why should they insist that the claimant answers, especially if they have poor memory and consentration.

    Comment by wildthing666 — May 1, 2012 @ 11:07 pm

  725. I am so pleased that i RECORDED MINE AND IT CAME OUT CRYSTAL CLEAR. This was 2 weeks ago and am still waiting or the reult of this shambolic so called medical interrogation. A medical that did not fit my conditions whatsoever. She fired questions at me and began typeing before I began to answer. The recording will not lie my words but if lies are inputted into their shambolic syatem, I have them by the balls. I am sure somebody will love to listen to it and read the lies. Any old lawyeres out there or people in the know of this??? Yes i will use it to my advantage and hopefully get attention to what is going on here.

    Comment by A — May 2, 2012 @ 11:52 am

  726. (Edited out by DWPex admin)

    My partner has PPMS and can hardly walk, memory, speech and cognitive and incontinence problems. He will have the medical assessment soon and we are arranging to have the atois representatives to have it done at our flat.

    Sometimes I become afraid but I have to remember that we will get what we need, so I shouldn’t be afraid.

    Comment by BTS — May 6, 2012 @ 11:24 pm

  727. Hello and welcome to the blog BTS. As you may have noticed I have edited your posts, the reason for this is we do not allow advertising of religious or other literature on this site or our sister forum dwpexamination.org we have had issues with this in the past and are nipping this in the bud before it becomes an issue. We are quite happy to allow posts on your contact with ATOS or the DWP, with which we will try our best to help you with. You are welcome to stay but please do not post any more adverts or we will have no option other than to spam your comments. This will benefit no one.

    Cheers

    Nelson

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 7, 2012 @ 12:19 pm

  728. Hi Nelson,
    I just wondered what has happened to DWPexaminations forum, for a few days i haven’t been able to get on to the forum. I hope the powers that be haven’t been able to shut you down. I’m hoping that it’s just my laptop.
    Will you email me to let me know what the situation is.

    Thanks Karen

    Comment by Karen McDonald — May 9, 2012 @ 8:42 am

  729. Hi Karen, the forum is still there, I have been on it the last few days and not noticed any problems.
    http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 9, 2012 @ 2:40 pm

  730. Thanks for your reply…. I was able to get on after i sent the email, it must have been my laptop but was unable to acess the forum since sunday. Anyway all is well now. Thanks again for your reply.

    Karen

    Comment by Karen McDonald — May 9, 2012 @ 4:28 pm

  731. I recently got molested at 5 ways in Erdington. I have Dilated CardioMyopathy and its complicated by Left Bundle Branch Block and Type 2 diabetes. A chief cardiologist, cardio vascular surgeon, cardio pharmasist and cardio resyncronisation team all agreed that I was not fit for work and never would be…even after the CRT pacemaker was fitted. I applied for ESA and DLA and got “invited” for an examination I had to drop my 8 year old daughter (which they knew about) off and rush to the bus stop to the train station then train hop to them for a ridiculously early appointment. All set up to make me run. I barely made it in time, I passed out in the waiting room and struggled to keep up with the…I cant call them anything medical as they are so incompetent.. I almost passed out in the room too. I was asked wht my condition was and when I told the idiot she gave me a blank look so I explained what I have got and what the problems are. My lower left ventrical of my heart is severley mishapen and the walls are dangerously thin. The nerves to it are dead and my CRT pacemaker is permanently on to keep my heart beating. She put Arythmia. My appeal against the decision was unsuccesful (I wonder if ATOS has their own people on the tribunal board) and My ESA was cancelled on May 17 2012 and I found out 3 weeks later. Now I claim JSA and cant find a job. My money for JSA has also been stopped as I go to the hospital to often and have been told to claim ESA. Catch 22 as you can tell. What I need now is advice as to employing someone with my condition because surely no company can get insurance to employ me

    Comment by Asmodeus — June 21, 2012 @ 3:59 pm

  732. Asmodeus…It’s all a con to get us all of sickness benefits, everyone is in on the con, the Government, ATOS, the DWP, and all those little twats who sit on tribunals judging people. It’s an absolute disgrace that these so called Judges can sit there making judgements on peoples lives on the basis of a bent medical report from ATOS. They all know that ATOS are corrupt but still they lend these so called functional assessment reports credence as if they could in any way possibly be true.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 21, 2012 @ 5:05 pm

  733. Thanks for your reply re:comment 736. Im collecting as much information together as possible ioncluding laws to see if I can start a legal action against the lot of them…so far its looking good

    Comment by Asmodeus — June 21, 2012 @ 5:38 pm

  734. Well, this gets better and better!. I received my letter on the Saturday of the Jubilee weekend which as many will know was a long weekend lasting over monday and tuesday with normal business hours resuming on the wednesday. The letter stated that my ESA was cancelled on the 17th May… the letter was dated 28th May and I got it on the 2nd of June, So nearly 3 weeks without knowing and no information for appealing. I found out today…after not receiving my JSA for the second time that the DWP ESA department are holding my claim open incase of appeal the window of opportunity of which is 4 weeks from the date of cancellation so obviously its too late but I had to threaten legal action for maladministration to unlock my JSA… Im now convinced that if enough of us prosecute the DWP and AToS that we can destroy them in court and cause a major reorginisation of the whole thing
    So far Im building a case for multiple cases of fraud, maladministration, malpractice, bias and predjudicial practices. Fingers crossed!

    Comment by Asmodeus — June 22, 2012 @ 1:58 pm

  735. Beware of the DWP Asmodeus, as I said they are crooks and charlatans, they should all be in jail.
    Their whole remit is to deny us our right to benefit/s, they don’t even bother to do it fairly anymore, every trick in the book is tried, they are taking the view that if they can’t get rid of us fairly then by hook or by crook is the way to go.

    I can sense people laughing as they read this, these incredulous people are in for a shock in the future when they find out the truth about the DWP and their henchmen at ATOS.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 22, 2012 @ 3:40 pm

  736. cant believe we cannot do something about these people at atos. i am waiting on a decision from dla and am dreading this carry on. i have worked since i was 16 am now 59 i did not want to get athrits it just arrived but i take it they wont look at it like that. we need to set up a fund or something so we could donate to it weekly/monthly so we could advertise on television. they do it for abused kids abused dogs even abused donkeys why not us because these people at atos and dwp need to be exposed

    Comment by Jim Paton — June 28, 2012 @ 1:40 pm

  737. Jim, on the letter it says you can bring someone along to help you… I say ask which ever doctor is a specialist for your arthritis so you can trump the RGN nurse that examines you…thats right, they are RGN nurses with around 1 years experience. This makes them underqualified

    Comment by Asmodeus — June 28, 2012 @ 7:17 pm

  738. thanks for that

    Comment by Jim Paton — June 29, 2012 @ 5:13 am