Dwp examination

ATOS Trainee Observations

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MadMickey 109′s comment on the welcome page has made me think. How many claimants have been asked (at the last minute) if an ATOS Trainee ‘Doctor’ can attend their examination to observe and learn the humiliation processes involved.

DWP Trainee Doctor?

DWP Trainee Doctor?

Quite simply, if this were the case then surely you should be given advance notice of being asked if a trainee ‘Doctor’ can be present as an observer during your examination, and not, as the DWP see fit to do so just as you medical is about to start? The psychology behind this is intentional and is designed to catch you off guard, when you are at your weakest so you will put up less resistance to the request. Put simply, this is as daft as you asking what questions the alleged ‘Dpctor’ is going to ask you before you go in. What do you think they would say to that?

Just say "No"

Just say "No"

If I was asked I would answer with a firm “No” immediately. Yes, they are petty enough to let this affect their professional judgement and the outcome of their interrogation ‘examination’ report to the ‘Decision maker’, and will do their level best to rob you of your benefits as a punishment. Don’t panic though, whenif they do stop your benefits (which is their aim anyway) it’s great ammunition for your appeal, I know I would feel that this was the case if the above happened to me.

Wolf in Sheeps' clothing!

Wolf in Sheeps' clothing!

Anyway, why on earth would we want to be responsible for contributing to the possible release of yet another Wolf in Sheep’s clothingATOS Healtcare Professional, with a licence to stop our benefits? They must think we are mad? If these fools think we are going to assist them in training their alleged ‘Doctors’ so they can inflict stress and mental anguish on innocent claimants, then they have another thing coming!

This begs another question? If their alleged ‘Doctors’ are ‘registered Medical Practitioners’ then why on earth do they require training? Surely any Doctor worth his/her salt can carry out a simple examination, especially as all the questions and answers are predetermined? Or (and this is a more disturbing thought) is it training in choosing the most appropriately ‘negative’ answer to enable the ‘Decision maker’ to stop your benefits? I suspect this is the case dear readers, this is clearly a case of providing the alleged ‘Doctor’ and ‘Decision maker’ with what the Americans refer to as a “Plausible Deniability” option.

So what can we do?

The answer is simple, prepare yourself to be asked. Practice saying “No thank you Doctor, I think I am stressed enough as it is”. If the alleged ‘Doctor’ persists, ask him/her “If they did not understand your answer to their question” politely of course. They cant force you to agree to have a Wolf in Sheeps’ clothing trainee present during your examination.

If you go into the examination room and there already is another alleged ‘Doctor’ in there, ask why they are there? This is where carrying a well concealed Dictaphone ((remember you may be required to remove some of your clothing, so conceal it well) comes in handy, I got mine from a well known catalogue shop, and yes, I have it with me whenever I come into contact with the DWP or any of their minions.

I’ll be back


  1. Is anyone doing anything to stop what is going on…my Labour MP ha seen first hand what happens when a HCP from ATOS does not do a true and just assessment…..it results in your benefir being stopped-your sick and need help and head for you local MP whose goverment is resposible for all this mess….What and where can anyone start to build an army of sick to fight these snippers!In saying this meaning putting people in touch with other people/ getting a help group together and have a paper work fight. We have trawled through loads of sites that say they help…..but dont deal with first hand advice WHATS THE POINT OF THEM THEN? anyway its happening all over the UK and people may die of a result of benefits being stopped I know I nearlly did and nearly left my home and children through the stress of it all and I was trying to recover from major sugery and with depression and what they did to me and are doing to me is enough to send anyone of in a rocket.

    Comment by Sandy — October 24, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

  2. as above please give me strength

    Comment by Sandy — October 24, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

  3. As I said, lets get together and use our vote in the best way we can. Check with your local MP’s, ask them where theyu stand re this treatment of sickness benefit claimants and if they waffle or try to fob you off tell them you will not be voting for them. If we take thier benefits away they may eventually learn who has the real power.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 24, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

  4. ? Pardon! this sort of thing cant be done over night, it takes time and people have to complain otherwise the Politicians wont know were pissed off. You and I are aware most politicians have selective memory and hearing, the ony way to get thier attention is to take away thier toys. Once these fools are out of a job they might just notice what we are saying.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 24, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

  5. Here here..lets make a start- I made a start some months ago everything goes to my MP and soon a letter asking what will be done about ATOS and their evil methods of desruction of peoples lifes.

    Comment by Sandy — December 12, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

  6. I am also experiencing similar problems with the DWP following a so called ‘Medical Assessment/Work Capability Assessment’ by an ATOS so called ‘Healthcare Professional’. I have checked his status with the General Medical Council and I have made a complaint against him. I would advise people to read the GMC ‘Fitness to Practice’ guidance and the Hippocratic Oath. Not all doctor’s are required to sign the Hippocratic Oath but in my opinion the ideals of the Hippicratic Oath should still apply, for instance a doctor’s first duty should be to the patient and not to his or her employer.
    I also sent in my GL24 appeal and made a complaint to ATOS themselves. I went to see my MP who approached the District Manager for my area Jobcentre Plus. My MP has retired now and I have just received a reply from the Jobcentre Manager via my MP’s office which coinsides with my MP’s retirement. The reply I have received is totally inacurate and unacceptably. I therefore intend to take matters further to the Chief Executive.
    I am sure if we all got together and made our voices heard we could take this matter to the European Court of Human Rights and get this ludicrous system changed for good. I am up for it if anyone wants to join me in trying.

    There is a General Election looming this is the time to start fighting!!!!!

    In almost fifty years the Court has delivered more
    than 10,000 judgments. These are binding on the
    countries concerned and have led governments to
    alter their legislation and administrative practice in
    a wide range of areas. The Court’s case-law makes
    the Convention a powerful living instrument for
    meeting new challenges and consolidating the rule
    of law and democracy in Europe.

    Comment by Kate Rowe — April 19, 2010 @ 12:13 pm

  7. I agree, we should stand together and wherever possible, fight with the same methods and vigour. This barbaric and unfair practice needs to be stopped, so dont vote tory or labour at the next election, unless you want things to get worse that is…….

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 20, 2010 @ 7:09 am

  8. Got your email K, I am sorry to say at the present time I am not responding to personal emails. My reason is simple, I want to preserve my anonymity so I can continue to fight the good fight. It must be driving the alleged “Doctors” mad down in Sunderland as they dont know when they will be facing scrutiny by DWPexamination or my members. This in itself will be putting them on thier guard and under extreme pressure, and will be making them stressed as we are on the day of our medicals. Feel free to continue with your valuable input though and I am more than willing to reply via the blog.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2010 @ 6:33 am

  9. hi i have been refused dla after 2 years of claiming it. i saw a medical dr dwp he filled in the form with nil answeres to questions he never asked he told me to shush 2 times when i treied to speak. I suffer with inflammatory polyarthritis and fibromyalgia severe. I am exempt from work under one of the 4 criterias for dla. but i chose to work part time. I was not assessed on several of the questions he said i was fit for . i have appealed to the dla and made a complaint to the customer relations department about the doctor.

    I am not just doing this for the money it is the priciple that I am geniely ill. I thought this new arrangement was to get people back to work not discriminate against people in work, saying they are not disabled because they work . so if this is the case that if you are fit for work you are not disabled, then how can they say people who are disabled should go back to work.

    Comment by YVONNE MARIE MILLS — December 9, 2010 @ 1:58 pm

  10. This is what the General public are not hearing or reading in the press. This is why blogs like this one exist in the first place. Disabled people are being treated abysmally by the Government and unless we act now, we will lose our right to Benefits and this will have a knmock on effect down through the next generation or two to a point where there will be no Benefits. Please fight back, by doing so you do not contribute to the case the Government have to continue employing fraudulent organisations like ATOS Healthcare. Please feel free to join our sister forum at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/index.php where you will find many other people in a similar situation to yourself.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 10, 2010 @ 9:28 am

  11. I am very concerned about Atos. I had an interview with them for a post as Disability Analyst, and was appallled to learn that I would be required to assess claimants’ mental health status, which, even after their training, I would not have felt qualified to do. My interviewers did not seem to know what job I did and assured me they never read any anti-Atos press articles, and that, ‘after a while, you learn to ignore those (laughing)’. I did not get the job as I was assessed to be, ‘insufficiently commercially aware’. How sad, that in wanting to use my healthcare skills for the benefit of people, I was, in fact, assessed, albeit incorrectly, on my business accumen. I run a successful business.

    Comment by Christine Larkin — December 19, 2011 @ 2:39 pm

  12. Hello Christine.

    You have every right to be concerned about ATOS because your healthcare skills will/would not be used for the benefit of people, well at least not for the benefit of the claimants, that’s the whole point, your healthcare skills will be used to deny genuine disabled and ill people their lawful rights to benefits, and because you are not a criminal with sinister thoughts they can see you don’t fit the bill as a candidate for entry in to their evil organisation.

    That’s not a bad thing, in my opinion a good thing, but in their eyes well I don’t have to spell it out to you. Take it from me, failure will not be tolerated in their organisation.
    And just as well you have caught on, I wonder how many other decent people have said no…I’m not going to sign their contract, because quite frankly I don’t like what I see.
    As for ”They don’t pay attention to Blogs and forums” let me ask you this, why did their (ATOS) lawyer try desperately to shut the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ down with a lawyers letter ?.
    Correct, they don’t like the truth to be told, so ”They who don’t pay attention to forums etc, and just laugh it of” well I can assure you that they are crapping themselves, because they know it’s only a matter of time, but we will have the last laugh.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 19, 2011 @ 3:11 pm

  13. sorry this need to go to the STREETS,,let them responsible feel our anger,,

    Comment by takenocrap — January 10, 2012 @ 11:05 pm

  14. There was a disabled march (went to the streets) not that long ago, those responsible weren’t fazed, in fact they were laughing their heads off, they wouldn’t be laughing so much if a couple of hundred bricks went through the houses of parliament windows, propaganda by deed because marches go nowhere.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 11, 2012 @ 6:22 am

  15. i have just had my benefits stopped due to the covert group called atos never heard of them until last year,but by god heard of them now. my medical condition has not been good after two ops on knee after accident at work ,and if physio does not work a possible third, the funny thing is i saw a orthopaedic surgeon via dwp for a indusrtrial injury claim and was diagnosed 25 % disabled,two weeks later saw atos so called medical professional ( what a joke) and my benefits were stopped. these people are so generic in every way , very clone like. from what i can see you dont need a human to do this job because there is nothing human abut it , how they sleep at night is beyond me.

    Comment by Anonymous — February 7, 2012 @ 10:41 am

  16. Hello Anonymous.

    You don’t need to tell me about ATOS, I know all there is to know about them LOL.
    What you need to do is send the DWP a letter and inform them you wish to appeal against their decision to find you fit for work, and therefore could you please send me on the ATOS ESA 85 Report and a GL 24 Form, meanwhile could you pay me the assessment rate while I compose my appeal and wait for the panels decision.
    When you receive the the ESA 85 look through it carefully and you will see that it is packed to the brim with mistakes, highlight these mistakes on your GL 24 appeal form, also use extra A4 paper to expand, because they only give you a little box on the GL 24 to compose the appeal.

    If you are not sure of something then ask the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ they will help you the best they can..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 7, 2012 @ 11:35 am

  17. i have learned today that i have scored 0 points even though the atos dr cut the medical short because she could see i was suffering……i am now twice as worried and in a panic incase they stop my income support………

    Comment by ian crabb — March 6, 2012 @ 4:24 pm

  18. Hello Ian.

    Everyone is getting zero points so you are not alone, you must appeal, think of a username and log in to the forum and find out how to appeal, how to claim money while you wait for the appeal to be heard, and other important information.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 6, 2012 @ 7:21 pm

  19. i’m at dundee for a medical on 26 mar 12. its now a yr since i last worked.neuro probs, worn knees ,tingling fingers,tennis elbow,back pain,due an op at ninewells in may to remove a disc in my neck,lets hope that ATOS are a wee bit careing??

    Comment by Colin — March 25, 2012 @ 6:58 pm

  20. Colin…we can live in hope..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 25, 2012 @ 11:07 pm

  21. Hi there, i am still looking for a Dr Ian Wilson who is an Atos professional medical practitioner, i have searched all over and cannot seem to find any information on this man who assessed my husband as medically fit to work, even though we have a letter from a lung specialist and our own GP stating my husband was not fit work, the DWP did not pay any money to him until after he sadly passed away. I want to find out what qualifications he has got to allow him to act like a God and to mess about with peoples lives. My husband was seriously ill, and he sadly died, so this professional medical practitioner who i cannot find, got it very wrong, and therefore i feel he should pay the price for this big mistake.

    Comment by Mrs J Simpson — March 27, 2012 @ 12:31 am

  22. Contact the DWP and ask them for the medical number of this Dr Wilson, you need the reg Number to get started and the DWP will know it, and if you ask them they must tell you.
    Once you have the number then you can seek Professional legal advice, because ATOS are sometimes employing people who are not licensed to practice in Britain. Don’t forget this Ian Wilson might be South African, Australian, New Zealand etc even Jamaica, can be from anywhere.
    ATOS think because they have the blessing of the British Government to ruin lives then they can do as they please and are unaccountable.

    Your question on what to do if you cannot get information can be directed to the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ there are people on there who have been in a similar situation to yourself and can help you with the benefit of their experience.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 27, 2012 @ 8:15 am

  23. I was going to ask you if you could start a new page with a list of ATOS “Doctors” names. as i would like to add the name of the “Doctor” who i saw to the list. Firstly to name and shame them and secondly to see if any one can help to check out what they are. i didnt know if its legal to name them.
    I feel so sory for Mrs Simpson. i do hope she can nail this quack.
    from Clive

    Comment by Clive — March 29, 2012 @ 3:28 pm

  24. Hello Clive.

    Some have already done so on the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ if you would like to think up a username and log in Clive..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 29, 2012 @ 4:30 pm

  25. Hello Clive and dwpexamination,

    Thank you for your response, I will get to work and contact the DWP department on Tuesday 10th April to ask them for the medical number and registration number of this Doctor. I have discussed certain things with my own Doctor, he has read the report and said quite angrily that there are several details listed on my husbands report that are totally incorrect. This Atos medical report had a huge impact on our lives, as you can imagine, but the thing that angers me most of all is, this medical practitioner has stated my husband will improve over time with the right medication and treatment. Well I am no Doctor, but I know there is no right medication or treatment for the disease my husband had got, in fact there is no cure for this disease called Sarcoidosis. The only medication my husband was given was a high dose of steroids to help make him feel a little better, this does not cure the disease. Anyone who looks up on the computer about this disease will see, the prognosis for Pulmonary Sarcoidosis is 2 to 3 years, which is exactly what my husband had before passing away at the age of 53. So would you agree with me in thinking that a professional medical practitioner should have known this?. This is the reason why I want to find out what qualifications he has got to assess someone so wrong, so thank you for the information you have given to me. I will keep you informed of my progress.

    Mrs J Simpson.

    Comment by Mrs J Simpson — April 8, 2012 @ 12:50 pm

  26. My brother faild medical examination yet he type1 diabetic chronic asthma high blood presure schizoprenia in a wheel chair he has full time care because of neuropathy and atrophy of legs due to such ill health and diabetic complications he finds it hard to write cant pick up small objects. He was taken to apointment by a registered carer from a pro carer trust he canot get dressed wash or go toilet unaided he can walk about six ft aided he wets self several times daily and has to be supervised all the time we top up his carer payments as it expensive yet they stopped all his money so like today he not out of bed till i finish work as no carers sitting in wet pad all day unable to self medicate or eat how do they expect him to work

    Comment by jon — May 12, 2012 @ 10:42 am

  27. Hello Jon.

    They don’t expect him to work, they expect him to appeal against their decision to find him fit for work, as you can see and we have been pointing out for over three years, it’s all a con to force us to appeal, and make our lives as difficult as possible.
    Because to appeal as you know now they stop your money first so then you have to get a DRs sicknote and fill in a GL 24 appeal form and ask them to send on the ATOS ESA 85 assessment report, and also ask them to place you on the assessment rate while you are waiting for your appeal to be heard.
    All this takes time and a lot of effort, they know this and they are taking advantage of it.
    But there’s no choice, we must play their game and just appeal, your brother can get help from the welfare rights and or the CAB to be a guiding light on the best way forward.

    Once the general public really find out the truth on what ATOS and their sidekicks at the DWP are doing, they will be for it, maybe even prosecutions, it’s getting so bad and ATOS are so paranoid that the British public will find out that they have taken the momentous decision to force their HCPs to sign a mock official secrets act to gag them into spilling the beans any time in the future, but if you scroll down (In the link below) and look at their pathetic secrets act document it’s not difficult to work out that it isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.

    See the Liberal conspiracy link below.


    Comment by dwpexamination — May 12, 2012 @ 10:57 am

  28. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/188/746/268/uk-dont-abandon-the-disabled
    Another Lady dies due to the Decisions made by the DWP and ATOS.my heart goes out to her family, GOD BLESS.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — June 30, 2012 @ 1:42 pm

  29. Just signed the petition, the whole Country should, they would if they only knew the truth about ATOS and this dreadful Government.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 30, 2012 @ 7:00 pm

  30. morning all just a quick update ..i complained to atos and here is some comments from the letter i have rec from them today that im confused about so i would like some help if poss what action i should now take..ie how ever the crma noted the problems that you have sciatica and tia in your esa50 questioner and that these were not addressed by the nurse in the esa85 ..your history of tia proves you should of been seen by a doctor and not a nurse ???this was noted at the pre-board check or by the nurse on the day ..i can assure you that the regional clinical manger has been made aware of the situation..what we cannot reconcile however .is whether or not the above would have any bearing on the outcome of the nurses choice of descriptor..however the decision maker has been made aware of the details of your case. im really confused …..i still got no points awarded im still zero ?

    Comment by dwpajoke — July 8, 2012 @ 5:58 am

  31. Hello dwpjoke.

    Well it just proves this whole ATOS assessment nonsense is grossly unfair.
    ATOS claim they have informed the DWP decision maker that your assessment was erroneous but still you find they pass the buck to the DWP.
    Why don’t you send the DWP a letter and explain the assessment carried out was unfit for purpose by the very admission of ATOS themselves, and to any right thinking person this means that the assessment was null and void, and therefore your benefits should not have stopped and should continue until you are at least assessed properly and fairly.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 9, 2012 @ 10:52 am

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