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Dealing with an ATOS home visit

Dealing with an ATOS Home visit

Many of our readers have asked what to do in the event they are granted a home visit, here is some information on what you can do. 

Do not expect the HCP to behave in their usual manner, they dislike carrying out home visits as they have to enter your territory and therefore feel vulnerable.

They do not like to be in a situation where they have no power over you, can not control the situation, can be exposed as the charlatans they are and will want to get the “examination” over as quickly as possible.

Even in this “exposed” situation the HCP is likely to appear friendly and helpful, sometimes even suggesting answers to questions if you are “stuck”.

Lets look at it in sections:

 

Pre visit information

If you have any pets see if you can get a family member to look after them for the duration of the visit, ATOS HCP’s are known to make the assumption you can walk your pet dog, stand up long enough to clean out a bird cage, open cans of food for your dog, cat etc, etc.

If you intend to covertly record the visit secure your tape recorder where it can not be seen but can pick up all sound in the room, the same applies to video taping. There are several every day objects which will accommodate a small video recorder.

If you intend to tell the HCP you are recording the likelihood is they will terminate the “examination” immediately and leave. They can not stop you recording the visit, they just don’t like it.

Ask a friend (preferably someone of the same sex in case you have to remove some clothing and if possible someone who is not a relative) or family member you can trust to attend the “examination” with you, introduce them to the HCP by name, they can take notes though the HCP will attempt to prevent you from doing so, by telling you your notes will not be accepted by any tribunal or court as an accurate account of the event. Let me tell you this, it is the Judge or Magistrate who decides what is admissible and inadmissible in their court, not ATOS. Taking notes and or recording helps you to remember vital points or information should you find you have to appeal.

Have all of the supporting medical evidence you can available for the visit, this should include all medication, letters from your G.P.,  Specialist, Psychiatrist, Physiotherapist or any other medical professional delivering you any form of treatment or care. Have all dates of hospitalisation, visits to hospital (emergency or otherwise), Physio or other treatment or care.

Have all of your medication available, it is best if you have the medication in the box bearing your name and the prescribed dose.

Read through all of the leaflets relating to your medication and list all of the side effects you suffer from. There is no need to be specific as many medications have similar side effects. At the head of your list write something like. “As I am not medically qualified, I can not say specifically which of my medications cause which side effect. I can confirm I do suffer these side effects, which are only present and which are listed in the leaflets accompanying the medication I am taking”.

Before you let them into your home.

 

Keep your front door on the chain when you open it.

Check they are who they say they are, ask for identification and do not let them into your home until you are absolutely sure they are an ATOS HCP.

If you are suspicious you may want to call ATOS to ensure the person you have on your door step is indeed their visiting HCP. Ask them politely to wait until you have verified their identity

Within your home

 

Try to be in the room which best meets your needs.

Try to remain polite and courteous throughout the “examination”.

If the HCP asks to wash their hands have your companion accompany them into the kitchen/bathroom etc and ensure they know they are being observed. Same applies if they ask to use the toilet ask you companion to accompany them to the bathroom and wait at a discreet distance until they are finished.

Remember, this is a functional ability test and not a medical. There is a difference and it is essential you remember this during the “examination”. A functional ability test does exactly what it says, it tests your ability to function in a work situation. ATOS and the DWP have not described the “work” situation they use as their base line.

If you say you can not mobilise 50m or more without severe pain and discomfort, this must be made obvious to the HCP.

Time the visit, you can use our assessing ATOS sheet which you can print off from the blog (under assessing ATOS) or on the forum under useful templates.

You must remember.

 

The HCP may ask you to carry out basic movements which may cause you pain either at the time or later on, you have the right to decline any task you are asked to perform. It is wise to tell the HCP why you are declining and to ask him to make a record of your reason in his report rather than simply writing client declined, which may mislead the Decision Maker.

Ask the HCP if you can go through his report with him to ensure there are no inconsistencies? They will decline and advise you can get a copy from your local Jobcentreplus.

Do not sign any documents without reading them first and never sign a HCP repor

 

 

 

 

69 Comments »

  1. Hi, sharing this experience may be useful and was wondering if anyone had any advice. I get the high rate DLA for mobility and cannot get to the medical assesment centre. I told Atos (when they gave me a date for the assessment at their centre) who demanded a letter from my GP be faxed to them and said they would let me know whether I would be allowed a home visit. I sorted this and heard nothing. I rang them the day after my medical had been due and was told “there is not enough detail in your GPs letter. You missed your medical and your benefits have been stopped. When I said they hadn’t told me the boy on the phone apologised and said it should all be ok if I told the DWP. The DWP rang the next day saying they needed to know why I’d missed my assessment. I told them, sent them another letter with more detail from my GP (also faxed to Atos) and filled in a form they sent in the post. I received my ESA payment as usual last month and today got a letter from SHATos with a new date for an assessment at their centre in Birmingham!!!!! Any advice on how to proceed? I cannot get there so will need a home visit. I have not rung them yet but am expecting them to say I need a letter from my GP which I already have and which gives more detail than the first. Would it be wise to write a covering note to be faxed with my GP letter saying I receive DLA high rate mobility, detailing why I need a home visit and saying that if I am refused one I will be complaining to Atos, DWP, writing to my MP and copying the letter to various Disability groups, CAB, etc etc? I assume they hate doing home visits and if someone is too ill to get to the assessment centre it’s obvious they are unfit to work! My GP fully supports me but is there any other pressure I can pile on? At this rate I will lose my ESa as I am too ill to get to their centre. Many thanks

    Comment by redrosa — March 29, 2012 @ 7:30 pm

  2. Hello Redrosa.

    Birmingham ? A city with well over a million inhabitants, it should be child’s play to get free legal advice on how to proceed, ATOS are giving you the runaround because as you say they don’t want to attend domiciliary visits, well that’s just too bad for them, because you need that visit. Yes the covering letter with a full explanation is imperative, you need to get it in to their skulls that you need this visit, also send the same information on to the DWP as well, just to make sure they don’t try and trick you again, also mention you will be contacting your MP.
    Here’s Brian on another page of this Blog had great success complaining to ATOS using “Tracey Reyner (Customer relations Manager ATOS Healthcare)”

    Don’t mess around there are plenty of legal service places in Birmingham or Welfare rights, why don’t you pick one and ask if they can help ? here’s one here in Aston, if that’s no good then there are plenty of others.

    Aston Legal Centre

    Offers legal advice and assistance in matters involving housing and benefits

    29 Trinity Road
    Birmingham
    West Midlands B6 6AJ

    Tel: 0121 5230965
    Fax: 0121 5517359

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 29, 2012 @ 9:41 pm

  3. To Redrosa and the creator of this website,

    I am a freelance journalist and cover Atos and A4e. I co-wrote the current Private Eye article ‘charity begins at home’ on workfare. I am currently writing a piece covering the inaccessibility of many Atos assessment centres (problems include that centres are not close to a bus or train station, have no disabled parking, no water or other refreshments, no wheelchair access, centres not on ground floor but also a policy of not allowing wheelchair users to use lifts because a safe fire evacuation procedure is not in place.)

    http://www.disabledgo.com/blog/2012/03/protesters-to-shame-atos-over-inaccessible-offices/
    http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/atos_assessment_centres_location
    http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/90585/response/228974/attach/html/2/DOCwdtk.response%20mr%20taylor.PDF.pdf.html

    In response to suggestions that these centres are not compliant with the Disability Discrimination Act – Atos and the DWP’s response to criticism has been to say that if a certain centre is not accessible they will arrange a home visit. I am trying to show the reality of whether arranging a home visit really is an easy and straightforward thing to do with Atos.

    If not – then many people with mobility problems are put at a really serious disadvantage due to the inaccessibility of the centres.

    If either Redrosa or the creator of this website would be willing to have a chat with me – please drop me an email. Anything you want to keep in confidence will be kept that way.

    Gayan.r.samarasinghe@gmail.com

    Comment by Gayan Samarasinghe — April 14, 2012 @ 2:53 pm

  4. Hi Gayan, we have had offers of help like yours from journalists before and have been let down so please be patient. Joe Blogs and I run the Blog and forum and are leaving the choice to contact you to our members as individuals. Please feel free to join our sister forum at dwpexamination.org and place a similar post. There are only a couple of journalists we trust around here and they have done a great job so your offer is appreciated.

    We have been fighting the disabled access issue for some time now and ATOS seem to think they are above the Law, we know they are and are fighting back.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 14, 2012 @ 6:43 pm

  5. Thanks – I will make a post at your sister forum as you suggest. Completely understand about leaving the choice for individuals to contact me directly

    Comment by Gayan Samarasinghe — April 15, 2012 @ 10:47 am

  6. Hi to comments for red rosa.Same thing happened to my husband .All i can say is dont leave it to late be for a medical assessment to ring and tell them what’s happening.I ran on his behalf today as his medical date would have been tomorrow.They said it could be put back for 2 weeks until the gp report and the questionnaire is put together and put to there HCPs.Just keep phoning and telling them what’s happening as we are just a number and name in the system.Good luck .

    Comment by Anonymous — May 8, 2012 @ 10:13 am

  7. My wife had the exact same problem with the Birmingham centre. Much of the problem lay with the Doctors letter – they don’t seem to realise the seriousness of their letter and just trot out the bare minimum.
    It took 3 letters and then paying for a medical report to get a decent letter from the Doctor. Tell him/her straight what needs to be in the letter regarding your illness, write it down for them then get a copy before it is sent to ATOS to make sure you are happy with it. We got a home visit eventually, that’s to come.

    Comment by N — May 20, 2012 @ 6:18 pm

  8. hi am about to get a home visit from a dr bambra Ive looked at all bma registers an cannot find him anywhere are these people bonifide doctors if so why cant I find his name on any register

    Comment by Anonymous — May 29, 2012 @ 10:34 am

  9. Hello Anonymous.

    According to the DWP, they don’t have to be DRs, they only need to be trained to a certain level to be called Health care professionals.
    It’s easy to see that these people are mostly quacks and charlatans, to allow them to assess people for benefits is a sick joke..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 29, 2012 @ 11:51 am

  10. hi there,
    wondering if any one can help. i have just had acall saying they will be attending my home tomorrow for my medical. i really havent got a clue about this!!
    i applied for dla following med discharge form the navy due to ankle problems and i am currently undergoing further tests for possibly more surgery :( they declined myy case and i appealed i attended court and they postponed the case until they had given me a medical this medical is tomorrow!!! i have since suffered a stroke and not long come home. any advice is appreciated a very nervous stressed 32year old single mum x thankyou in advance xx

    Comment by kirsty — June 12, 2012 @ 10:43 am

  11. Hello Kirsty.

    All you can do is go through with the assessment, everything you say to the ATOS DR will be based on your worst day, never admit you can do something now and then, because that will be construed as you are capable of doing that all the time.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 12, 2012 @ 9:10 pm

  12. re;home visits in oct 2006 i had asked for a domiciliary visit for assessment, sent in specialist reports [regarding faetal voiding without warning]after i had been summoned to atos mec centre.i was told to get a gp letter or i will have to appear. I had argued the specialist reports covered in detail the reasons for home visit [which next day after i had sent them to atos/dwp] was returned and i had to visit a mec for assessment. this 18 miles each way ,on the way home i had an accident i voided, in the car, i made an immediate formal complaint to atos/dwp and also under disability discrimination act [through the then drc now the ehrc]a hearing was conveaned which included atos’s brian pepper among other senior bods.[first time a successful disability issue had taken place] it was agreed i was treated unfairly and discriminated against.Todate i had not been asked for assessment since. atos/dwp in failing to allow a disabled person reasonable ajustment [ie]to accomodate and change the way the assessment is delivered to allow assessment to someone who would be put at risk if a visit was not given is in breach of dda and is discriminating against you. contact me as i also have dwp/atos contract which is very interesting and has a section on those who are exempt from mec visits, also in this contract the hcp must be gmc registered and be experienced and qualified in pathology and clinical presentation in relation to functional ability related to the medical condition diagnosed. anyone who can reasonably show that by not allowing a home visit will severly put you at risk and you can show evidence ,the atos/dwp will be reluctant to go against it and if so they face disability discrimination issues. if i can be shown how to gat my details out there [without cranks usually from dwp, beleive me ive had it ,i will if interested share my 15 years experience]

    Comment by carl — September 4, 2012 @ 3:15 pm

  13. I am currently getting Incapacity Benefit – I was asked to attend an appointment before my hospital visit – an hour before the appointment Atos cancelled the appointment – I rang to re arrange and they gave me an appointment during my week long stay in hospital – again I rang them to explain the situation and that I would be unable to attend for up to a month after the week stay in hospital – so they decided to send me another appointment for the week after my hospital visit!! So I rang them again – they said they would recommend all my benefit would be stopped as the appoimtment had been cancelled 3 times – bearing in mind I didn’t cancel the first and that I had stated a period when I would be unable to attend. Next I got my consultant to fax over a letter outlining my condition and confirming that again I would not be able to attend for up to a month after the hospital treatment and that he recommended a home visit.

    Atos in there wisdom turned me down for a home visit (based on the letter). This is the bizarre thing – I got my consultant to resend the letter a week later – and low and behold I got excepted for a home visit!! Bizarre because it was the same letter with no added content! Do Atos actually know their own guidelines or do their decisions depend who is wielding the axe on any particular day!?

    Three months on and I have just received my home visit appointment

    I am thinking that going by others feedback of Atos and my consultants opinion, I am likely to be deemed fit for work and will need to go to appeal – Atos strangely do not make a decision using your current medical notes – just as you appear on the day – How can this be a fair and just way of doing things? I have already been told by the Jobcentre that I am unemployable – so how will this work? Deemed fit by Atos and unemployable by the DWP?! It seems that Atos have the power to cause chaos and heartache regardless of your medical situation.

    Has any one got any ideas how to proceed?

    Comment by Steph — September 11, 2012 @ 10:44 am

  14. Hello Steph.

    The best thing to do is just wait until you get word that you are fit for work and then proceed from there, that means an appeal, you have a month to do this and you can get all the help you need here at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org

    On the other hand there is a teeny teeny chance they may find you unfit for work and put you on the WRAG (Work related activity group) if this doesn’t suit you because you feel you should be in the support group then again you can appeal that decision as well.

    Let’s see what they do first and as I said take it from there, it’s a waiting game.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 11, 2012 @ 12:48 pm

  15. Thank you for your reply. This whole process puts you under so much stress, pressure and immense worry – you are constantly trying to justify yourself and your condition – even though it is clearly outlined in medical reports and your on going treatment regime – it just seems so unfair and unkind that Atos can put you in such a dark place and make you totally paranoid and worried as to what you will do for an income if they deem you to be fit for work but no one would be willing to employ you

    Comment by Steph — September 11, 2012 @ 2:25 pm

  16. Once you realise it’s all a game, albeit a cruel game, then it becomes easier to just go with the flow.
    When you go for your assessment the DWP decision maker is already waiting for your appeal request along with a demand for your ESA85 assessment report.
    If you don’t send in such a request they think your mad.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 11, 2012 @ 3:21 pm

  17. I had a home visit for a DLA appeal tribunal and the doctor who came told numerous lies on his report according to him Im healthy !!!
    I have chronic pain syndrome, fybromyalgia, deppression, diabetes , bladder problems Im a 60 year old women
    and my daughter is my carer.
    I complained to DWP about the doctors lies and the said they would investigate I sent in a written letter
    with 2 letters from witnesses who were with me at the medical.
    They sent me an apology but the report was sent to the tribunal and I was refused DLA.
    The courts sent me another date for a tribunal a few months later on the grounds that the doctors report was inadmissible .
    I went to the tribunal and was told they wanted another doctor to come out and give me a medical ! He is coming out next Monday.
    I have numerous medical evidence from hospitals and independent doctors, but they want Atos to give them the truth lol.
    This has been going on since March 2011 and the pressure it has on me is severe I cry most of the time . Why are we treated like this ???
    I am going to see what lies his doctor says ! I have no quality of life and these people make thing worse, sorry for going on but its true.
    .

    Comment by annon — September 14, 2012 @ 5:33 pm

  18. Hello Anon.

    It’s a disgrace and it’s being going on to long, these tribunals are completely clueless as well, they lend these ATOS reports credence as if they are telling the truth, anyone with half a brain knows ATOS are bounty hunters, let’s hope you have some luck with the next clown that visits your home.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 14, 2012 @ 5:58 pm

  19. why ARE WE LETING ATOS GET AWAY WITH IT…ITS WE WHO ARE LETING THEM GET AWAY WITH IT ATOS IS A PRIVATE COMPANY LIMTIED MAKING MILLONS…

    Comment by Anonymous — September 26, 2012 @ 12:59 pm

  20. WITH LIEING IN THERE REPORTS MY FREINDS DAD HAD AN ESESMENT AND I KNOW HE COULD NOT WALK THE DISTANCE THE DOCTOR SAID HE COULD BECUASE WHEN HE VISITED HIM HE COULD NOT GET OUT OF BED…

    Comment by Anonymous — September 26, 2012 @ 1:01 pm

  21. Every single functional assessment report that emanates from ATOS healthcare is a festival of lies, it beats me why the tribunal service actually believe the trash that’s written in these reports.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 27, 2012 @ 7:33 am

  22. what do you expect from cameron and his twit sidekick

    Comment by Anonymous — November 22, 2012 @ 6:03 pm

  23. I have been battling with the job centre and dwp for a home visit for some time now. i didnt know anything about medical assements or rights or anything and after being unable to leave my home twice due to anxiety attacks they told me my benifits would be stopped, soo after much panicing about it i got my mother who was my carer at the time to come with me to the assement. after 3 hours of waiting and serval panic attacks later they then decided that i could be seen and i wasnt allowed to bring my mother into the room with me. They denied me my benifits saying i was able to work after storming out of the room because i couldnt take the pressure. a year down the line after being awarded only £30 per week to live on (i also live alone!) they finally gave me a tribunal date february this year, they then decided that i was in no state to work and put me on support group etc and advised me to apply for dla even though i had been denied in the past as the job centre were nice enough to tell me to fill the form in on as if i was on A GOOD DAY! 2 months passed still nothing from dla but yet another medical assesment. ive been battling for a home visit as simply cannot risk traveling all the way to the medical centre as my anxiety attacks have gotten worse.to the fact where i actually cannot breath and pass out and side effects from my medication make it difficult for me to stand up with out everything going fuzzy and dizzy like ive been drinking. my doctor, my key worker, and my two carers have sent forms in stating why i need a home visit and they still keep demanding i go in! what can i do? am hopelessly lost and my days have resulted to spending them in bed crying ever few minutes from the stress of it all :’(

    Comment by gemma — November 30, 2012 @ 5:39 pm

  24. Gemma.

    You can only do what your doing, which is hold out until you get a home visit, they wait as long as possible to see if you’ll give in first.
    I hope you got all the money they owed you backdated ?.

    And as for learning your rights ? log in here to our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 30, 2012 @ 5:58 pm

  25. I will be videoing my home visit today.
    Let’s see them try to get out of THAT! :-p

    Comment by Peter — December 1, 2012 @ 9:18 am

  26. Well.
    VERY nice man came and interviewed me.
    Wrote lots down.
    Didn’t get video but got audio on my laptop.
    If I “fail” it won’t be his doing.

    Comment by Peter — December 1, 2012 @ 11:56 am

  27. Hi Gemma, I know exactly what you are going through….I was in the same boat 2 weeks ago ATOS rejected my GP’s request for home visit,I was at the end of my tether almost suicidal but thanks for advice from this site to contact my MP,I sent an email to my MP that evening and the next morning had response from him saying he was going to contact ATOS on my behalf for a request for home visit and within 1 day they agreed for a home visit as my appointment was the following day……I got a letter from my MP confirming it and my appointment was cancelled to attend…… now waiting for phone call from ATOS…..not over yet but atleast I will be able to have support of my MP if it comes to appeal etc.
    I am so glad I did the email, i was reluctant as thought why would my MP respond to me but the quickness to his response was amazing.Please contact your MP you have nothing to loose.

    Comment by Anonymous AB — December 7, 2012 @ 6:21 pm

  28. Just had my home assessment for my dla review and am now crapping myself for the decision. The bloke was really nice but let’s see what he says.

    Comment by Michelle friar — December 16, 2012 @ 12:50 pm

  29. Try to remember what you said and what you missed to say.
    Write the important bits down to use in the appeal.
    I recorded mine on my iphone.
    Good luck. ;-)

    Comment by Peter — December 16, 2012 @ 8:31 pm

  30. After reading the comments on here I did voice record it on my phone just incase but hopefully I won’t need it.

    Comment by Michelle friar — December 17, 2012 @ 8:33 am

  31. My experience with dwp has been going on for a year and im still waiting a tribunal date,instead of us all feeling powerless against these bastards why do we not name and shame them,lets get together and find out everything about the agents that deliberately set out to screw us over ,these so called medics,its a joke and its time we took the power back,im off to find out what i can and i will let you all know the names and so on of these sub humans,love and kisses to you all Lorraine

    Comment by lorraine nestor — January 19, 2013 @ 10:35 pm

  32. Hello Lorraine.

    They are being named and shamed on our sister site http://www.dwoecamination.org
    just think up a user name and log in.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 20, 2013 @ 9:20 am

  33. I have a home visit on Wednesday 6th April, I have a prolapsed disc, bulging disc, other degenerated discs, pinched nerve, arthritis in my lower spine, this causes immense radiculopathic pain and at times incontinence, and have to use supports to get around, I have had 1 treatment of a caudal epidural to little effect, I suffer from long term depression, paranoia, mood swings and all that goes with it, and have convictions for violence where I have lost control. I am waiting for an appointment with the psychiatrist and feel that this appointment is too early and they (ATOS) have not done a risk assessment on me, which I feel they need to do, I’m getting very wound up and angry with this, my doctor shouts at me over the phone, he is being uncooperative and it is very difficult to get decent pain relief from him. The doctor/consultant at the pain clinic is helpful and has written a helpful letter for me. I would like some advice as to what to do as I can’t think straight. I’m a 50+ yro male have worked in the construction/building industry for most of my working life and have paid my N.I. and tax, now they are letting me down when I need that little bit of help until I am fit enough to return to work. I live with my wife who has severe complications from type 1 diabetes and we both have problems coping. I know these ATOS doctors are just out to deny me help, I am terrified of ATOS and DWP and that makes me dangerous to them and a danger to myself.

    Comment by Paul — February 28, 2013 @ 4:22 pm

  34. Hello Paul.

    First of all, congratulations on getting this home visit, I can tell you that is a feat in itself, because ATOS never ever grant home visits until they absolutely have to, so getting that concession from ATOS can help any possible appeal in the future.

    Try not to be angry with your GP, if you have then see your way to conceding that it’s not his/her fault and you can explain that you can’t help being angry and need his/her help. Sometimes when people see you are not blaming them for your problems they sometimes jump on your side, you cant lose anything by trying to be a little more humble, of course you never humble yourself to the likes of ATOS that’s different.

    So what’s the worst that can happen when the ATOS grim reaper comes to visit, well the worst that can happen is you are forced to appeal, they are doing that to 80/90 percent of people any way, and is all a sham, the appeal courts all know it’s a sham.

    You can get massive help here at our sister site on how to deal with ATOS and the DWP, this is a free site, and a a site that will show you amongst other things that you are definitely not alone.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 1, 2013 @ 8:19 am

  35. im in the process of requesting a home visit ive written to my doctor as i cannot travel the distance, i have severe osteoarthritis my feet are painful to the extent i cannot get my shoes on , theres many other problems too numerous to mention, im 55 and dont really hold out much hope of getting one, this is all about hoping you will give in and sign on,basically.but not without a fight im not, just hope my gp helps me get to where i want this damn nightmare to finish,…. in the support group, i really dont have the strength to carry on some days with the pain im dealing with but then ATOS are heartless anyway. good luck to everybody here.

    Comment by brenda frost — March 7, 2013 @ 3:34 pm

  36. Thanks Brenda…fighting back is all we have left.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 7, 2013 @ 7:00 pm

  37. Do ATOS have extra fire insurance?

    Comment by Peter — March 7, 2013 @ 7:20 pm

  38. That’s what Goering said about the Reichstag in 1933.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 7, 2013 @ 10:10 pm

  39. Thank you for your Kind reply, I haven’t bit back at the doctor, although I only see him when I’m not at my worse, but it seems he is the last to know what is happening, as decisions by the pain clinic tend not to be available to him with the immediacy I need and he thinks I am just after ever stronger pain killers, which is true to a certain extent, but he has never seen me when I am on all fours, crying in utter pain unable to move and pissing myself, I asked for a few stronger painkillers for when I am like this, which is not every day thankfully, but to no avail, instead upping my normal painkillers(their effectiveness does fade), my next appointment will be made with a different doctor at the same surgery, for a different opinion; I will let you know how I get on with ATOS, I did mistakenly put the wrong date in my original post, it should have been yesterday 6th March, but I had rung them to cancel the appointment due to very important appointment my wife had at the same time, I could not accept the appointment if I am alone as I cannot always get to the door and due to paranoia would not have answered it anyway! I now am in no mans lands where ATOS say I have turned down two appointments as they gave me two days notice to go to their offices in another town for the first original appointment, I said that was unacceptable and need a home visit explaining why and they are counting that as two appointments. DWP have said during a subsequent phone call to me that they will ring them, but am sitting here with no appointment at all at the moment waiting for them to contact me in writing and too worried to contact them by phone. I have never known anything like this, what a farce, I’m really confused, and have started having migraines again despite taking medication to prevent this !! Paul

    Comment by Paul — March 7, 2013 @ 10:15 pm

  40. Hi Brenda, thanks for taking the time to reply to my post, I really hope your condition improves to the level you wish for, pain is such a cruel and limiting factor, something ATOS seems incapable of understanding as I don’t believe they employ people like you, me and a lot other people in dire need and constant pain. I believe ATOS will slowly unravel and be exposed as the death dealing, money focused charlatans that they are. There are already ex employees spilling the beans on what goes on behind closed doors, they I hope will be their downfall, that and a flood of litigation on discrimination grounds destroying this corporate monster; I for one will not give up, but some days like you I feel helpless and at the mercy of the system, I hope by talking on groups like this we can all have some hope and keep our minds focused even if it is through the haze of medication and pain! Best wishes. Paul

    Comment by Paul — March 7, 2013 @ 10:52 pm

  41. I attended an apeal for a friend, against ATOS ;last week.
    The “doctor” said that pain is not accepted as a factor in stopping you from working !!!

    Comment by Peter — March 8, 2013 @ 1:09 am

  42. Peter and Paul.

    You better get yourself switched on my friends, because that’s what they’re saying and they have been saying it for at least four years, where have you been ?.

    Google in the ”PSYCHOSOCIAL MODEL” and Professor Mansel Aylward. What you read will shock you.

    And go to our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org and read MO STEWARTS investigations of UNUM insurance, the American insurance company who refuse to pay out on health insurance, and who are zealous followers of the PSYCHOSOCIAL MODEL OF THOUGHT, which is that pain is all in the mind.

    There are other things you can say at a tribunal, and talking about pain will not get you or your friend ESA.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 8, 2013 @ 8:08 am

  43. Well, I “passed” my ATOS home visit for DLA just this year and my main problem is pain.

    Comment by Peter — March 8, 2013 @ 10:55 am

  44. Wait till the next assessment Peter..!!
    Pain is no excuse Peter according to these bozos, luck was with you this time thank god. Get yourself acquainted with the psychosocial method of thinking and avoid using just the word pain, EXTREME DISCOMFORT is one alternative, and there are others.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 8, 2013 @ 11:05 am

  45. Address Here
    Date Here
    National Insurance Number Here
    To whom it may concern:
    Re: Recording of my face-to-face medical assessment
    I wish my forthcoming face-to-face capability assessment to be recorded and to be provided with a copy of that recording.
    I understand that Atos will provide the equipment and carry out the recording on my behalf. This was confirmed by the DWP Central FOI Team in a response dated 24 January 2012, your reference: VTR 2714-3878. This stated that:
    “Provisionis currently available for the recording of assessments upon request by the claimant to the office which administers the claim for benefit and Atos Healthcare. In these circumstances, Atos Healthcare will provide the requisite audio recording equipment, which will provide each party with a recording of the medical assessmentt.”
    The correspondence is available online at:
    http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/revised_wca_handbook_revised_edi#incoming-246487
    In addition, in a private members debate about the work capability assessment on 1st February 2012, employment minister Chris Grayling stated:
    “On audio recording, we will offer everyone who wants it the opportunity to have their session recorded. We decided not to implement universal recording because, based on the trial experience, people did not want it. Few people wanted their sessions recorded, and some said that they definitely did not. We decided therefore to offer recording as an option to those who want it. That seems entirely sensible.”
    I would therefore be grateful if you would ensure that the facilities are available for my assessment to be recorded. If for any reason this is not possible, I wish to be provided with notice and an explanation prior to the date of my assessment.
    Please arrange a home medical with a recording and that way there can be no more misunderstandings

    Yours sincerely

    Comment by Anonymous — March 14, 2013 @ 1:28 pm

  46. Address Here
    Date Here
    National Insurance Number Here
    To whom it may concern:
    Re: Recording of my face-to-face medical assessment
    I wish my forthcoming face-to-face capability assessment to be recorded and to be provided with a copy of that recording.
    I understand that Atos will provide the equipment and carry out the recording on my behalf. This was confirmed by the DWP Central FOI Team in a response dated 24 January 2012, your reference: VTR 2714-3878. This stated that:
    “Provisionis currently available for the recording of assessments upon request by the claimant to the office which administers the claim for benefit and Atos Healthcare. In these circumstances, Atos Healthcare will provide the requisite audio recording equipment, which will provide each party with a recording of the medical assessmentt.”
    The correspondence is available online at:
    http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/revised_wca_handbook_revised_edi#incoming-246487
    In addition, in a private members debate about the work capability assessment on 1st February 2012, employment minister Chris Grayling stated:
    “On audio recording, we will offer everyone who wants it the opportunity to have their session recorded. We decided not to implement universal recording because, based on the trial experience, people did not want it. Few people wanted their sessions recorded, and some said that they definitely did not. We decided therefore to offer recording as an option to those who want it. That seems entirely sensible.”
    I would therefore be grateful if you would ensure that the facilities are available for my assessment to be recorded. If for any reason this is not possible, I wish to be provided with notice and an explanation prior to the date of my assessment.
    Please arrange a home medical with a recording and that way there can be no more misunderstandings

    Yours sincerely

    Comment by xxxxx — March 14, 2013 @ 1:29 pm

  47. I didn’t get a choice of visit they just told me they would be turning up on a certain date and time, which is a Sunday…to my home. Is this usual?

    Comment by Zordana — March 16, 2013 @ 9:59 pm

  48. Is there anywhere online that you can find advice on how to explain your problems to ATOS in a way they are better accepted?

    Comment by Peter — March 16, 2013 @ 10:14 pm

  49. Re Home visit.
    I was happy to have one as they could see how I live.
    Untidy house and unfinnished decorating, due to my health problems.

    Comment by Peter — March 16, 2013 @ 10:16 pm

  50. Hello Peter.

    You can get help on what type of questions are asked and how to answer them here at our sister site
    http://www.dwpexamination.org
    Bear in mind Peter, the questions ATOS ask vary from person to person and depends on your health problem/s but the bottom line is they are all basic questions.
    For instance a person with mental health problems may be asked if they can visit a strange place on their own, or if they can cook a meal without help from another person and so on.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 17, 2013 @ 6:29 am

  51. Zordana.

    Yes it’s not unusual, ATOS are working all hours of the day and every day to cope with their ever increasing work load, I myself attended an assessment at one of their centres on a Sunday.
    I did receive a choice of days though, I suppose they reason that since they are coming to you then it should be their choice, that doesn’t mean you have to accept it though, if your not happy then there’s no reason why you cannot request another day during the week.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 17, 2013 @ 6:41 am

  52. That’s what they did to me to. To be fair the bloke that came out was nice but they still took all my care allowance off me and my decision statement was a load of crap as half the information was wrong so I’m currently appealing.

    Comment by Michelle friar — March 17, 2013 @ 8:51 pm

  53. Actually they’re all nice Michelle, especially on home visits, their only remit is to get their bonus at the end of the day.
    They should all be dragged out in front of their families put up against the nearest wall and shot.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 18, 2013 @ 12:10 am

  54. Sounds ok to me, Jeremy.

    Comment by Peter — March 18, 2013 @ 1:22 pm

  55. He He. Then send their body parts to the four corners of Britain as a warning to others.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 18, 2013 @ 1:55 pm

  56. [...] You may be able to have an assessor visit your home, depending on your condition.  There is excellent information on home visits here: http://dwpexamination.wordpress.com/dealing-with-an-atos-home-visit/ [...]

    Pingback by Useful information for ESA claimants and with Work Capability Assessments | kickingtoryassonwelfare — March 24, 2013 @ 9:03 pm

  57. I’m trying to get a home visit, or rather, my partner is trying my behalf, as I suffer from severe anxiety. I put on my original form that I would not be able to attend a medical and would require a home visit, but they sent me an appointment anyway. My partner called them and said I would not be able to attend at a medical centre, and was told to ask the GP to fax over a letter saying I needed a home visit. My GP has told us that they don’t do that, and that ATOS have to request the information from them. So back to ATOS, they say no, we need to request it be faxed over… So we’re stuck between a rock and a hard place, both sides telling us it’s the other’s responsibility. Meanwhile, time is running out before the medical I’m supposed to attend or have my benefits stopped. They say I’m going to have to pay my GP to write a report, but not only can we not afford it (2 of us living on my C-ESA), but there is also not enough time. Now we don’t know what to do.

    Comment by Emily — April 18, 2013 @ 5:16 pm

  58. Hello Emily.

    Both are wrong, any of them can make the request, ATOS can ask your GP but wont, and your GP can fax it over but wont, I can see why ATOS will not ask, but I don’t see any justification why your GP can’t just fax it over, that’s why they have a reception, that’s what the receptionist is/are paid for.
    ATOS will not ask because they don’t want to grant a home visit, so it’s your GP or nothing, it’s your move.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 18, 2013 @ 5:49 pm

  59. Hi there – I am a freelance journalist with a background in law and I write about disability. Has anyone who has had problems because their Atos centre is inaccessible considered contacting the Equality and Human Rights Commission to see if they will run a legal case against Atos for you (on the basis that Atos have breached the Equality Act duty on public bodies to make ‘reasonable adjustments’ for disabled people using their centres?)

    See below link – I’ve also written a piece for next week’s private eye on this. Someone recently sued Atos who initially tried to argue that they are not bound by the relevant disability discrimination laws which apply to bodies on the basis that they are a private contractor. They backed down but without admitting liability (which could have sparked off lots more claims).

    Further cases could be really embarrassing for Atos and shame them and the DWP into paying to make the buildings more accessible.

    http://welfarenewsservice.com/atos-in-2k-disability-discrimination-settlement/#.UXuRmEpkiSo

    Comment by gayansamarasinghe — April 27, 2013 @ 9:03 am

  60. If they try to argue they don’t have a legal duty to make reasonable adjustments for disabled people on the basis that they are a contractor – that’s really bad PR for them, on the other hand if they accept they have this legal duty – they open themselves up to be sued by lots and lots of people. Might be good to put Atos between a rock and a hard place for a change

    Comment by gayansamarasinghe — April 27, 2013 @ 9:05 am

  61. Could you pop over to our sister site and ask our members on the ATOS examination centres page (Link Below), I’m sure some of our members already have pointed this out to ATOS and the DWP.
    http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 27, 2013 @ 11:14 am

  62. Help please.
    I have a home medical this Friday coming , any does or don’ts .
    I have chronic rumertiodarthritis most of the vertebra are fused , and my neck is totally locked , and I have no kog wheel at all ( I.E . Can’t twist left or right , cant bend or lift , i am in continent for both due to nerve damage , i have to have gents nappy on all the time , my hands are so painful the are bound in special gloves all the time ,my wife has to help me wash and dress ,including help me on and off the loo and clean me after , and help me get out of bed , and i am waiting for a left hip replacement , and both knees have to be replaced after the hip is done ,
    I’m on max dose of Oramorph 10 mil every 4 hours , Tramadol, Gabapentine , Amatriptolyn.
    For the rumertiodarthritis I have intravenous infusions ever two months , my god they make me so ill for five or six days , then I’m out of my head for six weeks , that’s on top of what the other drugs do, vomit , pee blood , confusion all the time , zombi fied , swolen liver and kidney problems.
    I’m under 3 consultant , a pain consultant , a spinal injuries specialist , and consultant rumertologist , physio every week , one week physio one week hydro., I get radio frequency Denovation on a six month recurring Opp at the same time I get 7 botox in the muscle groups.
    The Spine guy gives me block facet joint injections in my spine on a regular basic with steroid injections , and as I say rumertologist see’s me every two months.
    Rumertiodarthritis is a progressive disease and can only get worse.
    P.S. I still do the twelve stairs to get to bed , it takes twenty minutes or so , it’s while some health care people are still working out how to get me a stair lift fitted.
    Virtually any thing this ATOS doctor is going to ask me to do is going to give me grief.
    Can any one advise me how to proceed with this medical.
    Regards Bri.
    P.S. thanks to my lad for typing this for me

    Comment by Brian Aylott — May 4, 2013 @ 5:45 pm

  63. P.S.
    I can only walk about ten paces without sticks before pain takes over , with sticks a few paces more
    Brian.

    Comment by Brian Aylott — May 4, 2013 @ 6:15 pm

  64. P.P.S.
    It’s a home visit.
    Bri.

    Comment by Brian Aylott — May 4, 2013 @ 6:36 pm

  65. Please note.
    I have been advised that pain is no excuse as it is in the mind.
    Which makes me wonder.
    Is Agoraphobia, claustrophobia or any other “phobia” or mental illness no longer cause for a benefit claim or do they just pick and choose as they feel fit?

    Comment by Peter Barczak — May 4, 2013 @ 10:41 pm

  66. Hello Brian.

    With the health conditions you have described I don’t think you need to worry about what the ATOS HCP writes on the ESA85 assessment report.
    If he/she tells lies then you will appeal and have a laugh and win, if he/she tells the truth then you get ESA. Personally I think you have enough problems without adding extreme anxiety to them, especially when there is absolutely nothing you can do to change what will be will be..!!

    Ne vous inquiétez pas au sujet de quelque chose que vous ne pouvez pas contrôler…………As they say in France.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 5, 2013 @ 1:17 pm

  67. I’m dreading my assessment from IB to ESA. I have had depression since 16 (I’m now 41) I have worked on and off but not for years. Last year I jumped in the thames breaking my ankle and was sectioned for a day but I’m too ill to attend appointments for my cpn so get no help from mental health services. I dread when the process starts as I fear the outcome so much. The process has not started and I lay awake at night fearful.

    Comment by Justme — May 12, 2013 @ 4:32 pm

  68. Hello justme.

    I used to worry about it all too around four years ago, one day I woke up and thought to myself that all this worrying is making me even more ill, I came to the conclusion that “Que Sera, Sera (Whatever Will Be, Will Be)” was the way to go..!!
    And I’ve never looked back.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 12, 2013 @ 6:36 pm

  69. Hi dwp, thanks for your positive words, it’s really hard when you have chronic anxiety to reign it in, I just worry I won’t get the support from a g.p I don’t really know (the previous one I was with for 10 yrs was wonderful but I moved away) Anyway I know what you say makes sense and will take it on board. many thanks.

    Comment by Justme — May 12, 2013 @ 7:10 pm


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