Dealing with an ATOS Home visit
Many of our readers have asked what to do in the event they are granted a home visit, here is some information on what you can do.
Do not expect the HCP to behave in their usual manner, they dislike carrying out home visits as they have to enter your territory and therefore feel vulnerable.
They do not like to be in a situation where they have no power over you, can not control the situation, can be exposed as the charlatans they are and will want to get the “examination” over as quickly as possible.
Even in this “exposed” situation the HCP is likely to appear friendly and helpful, sometimes even suggesting answers to questions if you are “stuck”.
Lets look at it in sections:
Pre visit information
If you have any pets see if you can get a family member to look after them for the duration of the visit, ATOS HCP’s are known to make the assumption you can walk your pet dog, stand up long enough to clean out a bird cage, open cans of food for your dog, cat etc, etc.
If you intend to covertly record the visit secure your tape recorder where it can not be seen but can pick up all sound in the room, the same applies to video taping. There are several every day objects which will accommodate a small video recorder.
If you intend to tell the HCP you are recording the likelihood is they will terminate the “examination” immediately and leave. They can not stop you recording the visit, they just don’t like it.
Ask a friend (preferably someone of the same sex in case you have to remove some clothing and if possible someone who is not a relative) or family member you can trust to attend the “examination” with you, introduce them to the HCP by name, they can take notes though the HCP will attempt to prevent you from doing so, by telling you your notes will not be accepted by any tribunal or court as an accurate account of the event. Let me tell you this, it is the Judge or Magistrate who decides what is admissible and inadmissible in their court, not ATOS. Taking notes and or recording helps you to remember vital points or information should you find you have to appeal.
Have all of the supporting medical evidence you can available for the visit, this should include all medication, letters from your G.P., Specialist, Psychiatrist, Physiotherapist or any other medical professional delivering you any form of treatment or care. Have all dates of hospitalisation, visits to hospital (emergency or otherwise), Physio or other treatment or care.
Have all of your medication available, it is best if you have the medication in the box bearing your name and the prescribed dose.
Read through all of the leaflets relating to your medication and list all of the side effects you suffer from. There is no need to be specific as many medications have similar side effects. At the head of your list write something like. “As I am not medically qualified, I can not say specifically which of my medications cause which side effect. I can confirm I do suffer these side effects, which are only present and which are listed in the leaflets accompanying the medication I am taking”.
Before you let them into your home.
Keep your front door on the chain when you open it.
Check they are who they say they are, ask for identification and do not let them into your home until you are absolutely sure they are an ATOS HCP.
If you are suspicious you may want to call ATOS to ensure the person you have on your door step is indeed their visiting HCP. Ask them politely to wait until you have verified their identity
Within your home
Try to be in the room which best meets your needs.
Try to remain polite and courteous throughout the “examination”.
If the HCP asks to wash their hands have your companion accompany them into the kitchen/bathroom etc and ensure they know they are being observed. Same applies if they ask to use the toilet ask you companion to accompany them to the bathroom and wait at a discreet distance until they are finished.
Remember, this is a functional ability test and not a medical. There is a difference and it is essential you remember this during the “examination”. A functional ability test does exactly what it says, it tests your ability to function in a work situation. ATOS and the DWP have not described the “work” situation they use as their base line.
If you say you can not mobilise 50m or more without severe pain and discomfort, this must be made obvious to the HCP.
Time the visit, you can use our assessing ATOS sheet which you can print off from the blog (under assessing ATOS) or on the forum under useful templates.
You must remember.
The HCP may ask you to carry out basic movements which may cause you pain either at the time or later on, you have the right to decline any task you are asked to perform. It is wise to tell the HCP why you are declining and to ask him to make a record of your reason in his report rather than simply writing client declined, which may mislead the Decision Maker.
Ask the HCP if you can go through his report with him to ensure there are no inconsistencies? They will decline and advise you can get a copy from your local Jobcentreplus.
Do not sign any documents without reading them first and never sign a HCP repor
Hi, sharing this experience may be useful and was wondering if anyone had any advice. I get the high rate DLA for mobility and cannot get to the medical assesment centre. I told Atos (when they gave me a date for the assessment at their centre) who demanded a letter from my GP be faxed to them and said they would let me know whether I would be allowed a home visit. I sorted this and heard nothing. I rang them the day after my medical had been due and was told “there is not enough detail in your GPs letter. You missed your medical and your benefits have been stopped. When I said they hadn’t told me the boy on the phone apologised and said it should all be ok if I told the DWP. The DWP rang the next day saying they needed to know why I’d missed my assessment. I told them, sent them another letter with more detail from my GP (also faxed to Atos) and filled in a form they sent in the post. I received my ESA payment as usual last month and today got a letter from SHATos with a new date for an assessment at their centre in Birmingham!!!!! Any advice on how to proceed? I cannot get there so will need a home visit. I have not rung them yet but am expecting them to say I need a letter from my GP which I already have and which gives more detail than the first. Would it be wise to write a covering note to be faxed with my GP letter saying I receive DLA high rate mobility, detailing why I need a home visit and saying that if I am refused one I will be complaining to Atos, DWP, writing to my MP and copying the letter to various Disability groups, CAB, etc etc? I assume they hate doing home visits and if someone is too ill to get to the assessment centre it’s obvious they are unfit to work! My GP fully supports me but is there any other pressure I can pile on? At this rate I will lose my ESa as I am too ill to get to their centre. Many thanks
Comment by redrosa — March 29, 2012 @ 7:30 pm
Hello Redrosa.
Birmingham ? A city with well over a million inhabitants, it should be child’s play to get free legal advice on how to proceed, ATOS are giving you the runaround because as you say they don’t want to attend domiciliary visits, well that’s just too bad for them, because you need that visit. Yes the covering letter with a full explanation is imperative, you need to get it in to their skulls that you need this visit, also send the same information on to the DWP as well, just to make sure they don’t try and trick you again, also mention you will be contacting your MP.
Here’s Brian on another page of this Blog had great success complaining to ATOS using “Tracey Reyner (Customer relations Manager ATOS Healthcare)”
Don’t mess around there are plenty of legal service places in Birmingham or Welfare rights, why don’t you pick one and ask if they can help ? here’s one here in Aston, if that’s no good then there are plenty of others.
Aston Legal Centre
Offers legal advice and assistance in matters involving housing and benefits
29 Trinity Road
Birmingham
West Midlands B6 6AJ
Tel: 0121 5230965
Fax: 0121 5517359
Comment by dwpexamination — March 29, 2012 @ 9:41 pm
To Redrosa and the creator of this website,
I am a freelance journalist and cover Atos and A4e. I co-wrote the current Private Eye article ‘charity begins at home’ on workfare. I am currently writing a piece covering the inaccessibility of many Atos assessment centres (problems include that centres are not close to a bus or train station, have no disabled parking, no water or other refreshments, no wheelchair access, centres not on ground floor but also a policy of not allowing wheelchair users to use lifts because a safe fire evacuation procedure is not in place.)
http://www.disabledgo.com/blog/2012/03/protesters-to-shame-atos-over-inaccessible-offices/
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/atos_assessment_centres_location
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/90585/response/228974/attach/html/2/DOCwdtk.response%20mr%20taylor.PDF.pdf.html
In response to suggestions that these centres are not compliant with the Disability Discrimination Act – Atos and the DWP’s response to criticism has been to say that if a certain centre is not accessible they will arrange a home visit. I am trying to show the reality of whether arranging a home visit really is an easy and straightforward thing to do with Atos.
If not – then many people with mobility problems are put at a really serious disadvantage due to the inaccessibility of the centres.
If either Redrosa or the creator of this website would be willing to have a chat with me – please drop me an email. Anything you want to keep in confidence will be kept that way.
Gayan.r.samarasinghe@gmail.com
Comment by Gayan Samarasinghe — April 14, 2012 @ 2:53 pm
Hi Gayan, we have had offers of help like yours from journalists before and have been let down so please be patient. Joe Blogs and I run the Blog and forum and are leaving the choice to contact you to our members as individuals. Please feel free to join our sister forum at dwpexamination.org and place a similar post. There are only a couple of journalists we trust around here and they have done a great job so your offer is appreciated.
We have been fighting the disabled access issue for some time now and ATOS seem to think they are above the Law, we know they are and are fighting back.
Comment by dwpexamination — April 14, 2012 @ 6:43 pm
Thanks – I will make a post at your sister forum as you suggest. Completely understand about leaving the choice for individuals to contact me directly
Comment by Gayan Samarasinghe — April 15, 2012 @ 10:47 am
Hi to comments for red rosa.Same thing happened to my husband .All i can say is dont leave it to late be for a medical assessment to ring and tell them what’s happening.I ran on his behalf today as his medical date would have been tomorrow.They said it could be put back for 2 weeks until the gp report and the questionnaire is put together and put to there HCPs.Just keep phoning and telling them what’s happening as we are just a number and name in the system.Good luck .
Comment by Anonymous — May 8, 2012 @ 10:13 am
My wife had the exact same problem with the Birmingham centre. Much of the problem lay with the Doctors letter – they don’t seem to realise the seriousness of their letter and just trot out the bare minimum.
It took 3 letters and then paying for a medical report to get a decent letter from the Doctor. Tell him/her straight what needs to be in the letter regarding your illness, write it down for them then get a copy before it is sent to ATOS to make sure you are happy with it. We got a home visit eventually, that’s to come.
Comment by N — May 20, 2012 @ 6:18 pm
hi am about to get a home visit from a dr bambra Ive looked at all bma registers an cannot find him anywhere are these people bonifide doctors if so why cant I find his name on any register
Comment by Anonymous — May 29, 2012 @ 10:34 am
Hello Anonymous.
According to the DWP, they don’t have to be DRs, they only need to be trained to a certain level to be called Health care professionals.
It’s easy to see that these people are mostly quacks and charlatans, to allow them to assess people for benefits is a sick joke..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — May 29, 2012 @ 11:51 am