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DWP Score sheets or points make benefits!

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Well folks I’m back, as promised. Today I have for your information the score sheets used by alleged ‘Doctors’ to stop our benefits. It is indeed wise to give precise and detailed answers to their questions, oh and by the way, ask them if they can read your answers back so you can correct any inconsistencies. When they refuse and condescendingly tell you that you can get a copy of their report from your local Jobcentre, do so, as soon as possible. I got one within 24 hours of my alleged medical. Remember to take someone with you who can take notes or better still record the whole thing on a digital recorder, as I did. Well then, without further ado her are the scores. If you spot any discrepancies tell me, and I will double check against the master list, but I reckon this is it folks……Here are the new descriptors from 2011    http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=limited%20capability%20for%20work%20descriptors%20from%2028%20march%202011%20(pdf%2040kb)&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newcastle.gov.uk%2Fbenefits-and-council-tax%2Fwelfare-rights-and-money-advice%2Fwork-capability-assessment-descriptors&ei=04J_UbT3GYb20gXxh4HgDg&usg=AFQjCNHiQS6oa0lQRi3DfSQgwpxjwYEVsA&bvm=bv.45645796,d.d2k      courtesy of Newcastle city council, you can compare them with the old descriptors below.

Activity 1 Walking on level ground with a walking stick or other aid if such aid is normally used.

Description                                                                                          Points

1a Cannot walk at all                                                                                 15

1b Cannot walk more than a few steps                                               15

1c Cannot walk more than 50 metres without stopping or

severe discomfort                                                                                      15

1d Cannot walk more than 200 metres without stopping or

severe discomfort                                                                                       7

1e Cannot walk more than 400 metres without stopping or

severe discomfort                                                                                        3

1 Cannot walk more than 800 metres without stopping  or

severe discomfort                                                                                        0

1g No problem                                                                                               0

Activity 2 Walking up and down stairs

 Discription                                                                                            Points

2a Cannot walk up and down one stair                                                15

2b Cannot walk up and down a flight of 12 stairs                              15

2c Cannot walk up and down a flight of 12 stairs without

holding on and taking a rest                                                                       7

2d Cannot walk up and down a flight of 12 stairs without

holding on                                                                                                         3

2e Can only walk up and down a flight of 12 stairs if he goes

sideways or one step at a time                                                                 3

2f No problem                                                                                                 0

Activity 3 Sitting in and upright chair with a back but no arms

 Description                                                                                          Points

3a Cannot sit comfortably                                                                    15

3b Cannot sit comfortably for more than 10 minutes without

having to move from the chair                                                            15

3c Cannot sit comfortably for more than 30 minutes without

having to move from the chair                                                             7

3d Cannot sit comfortably for more than 1 hour  without

having to move from the chair                                                             3

3e Cannot sit comfortably for more than 2 hours without

having to move from the chair                                                            0

3f No problem                                                                                             0

Activity 4 Standing without the support of another person or the use of an aid except a walking stick

 Description                                                                                          Points

4a Cannot stand unassisted                                                                15

4b Cannot stand for more than a minute before needing

to sit down                                                                                                  15

4c Cannot stand for more than 10 minutes before needing

to sit down                                                                                                  15

4d Cannot stand for more than 30 minutes before needing

to sit down                                                                                                   7

4e Cannot stand for more than 10 minutes before needing

to move around                                                                                        7

4f Cannot stand for more than 30 minutes before needing

to move around                                                                                        3

4g No problem                                                                                          0

Activity 5 Rising from sitting in an upright chair with a back but no arms without the help of another person

 Description                                                                                          Points

5a Cannot rise from sitting to standing                                              15

5b Cannot rise from sitting to standing without holding on

to something                                                                                                   7

5c Sometimes cannot rise from sitting to standing                        3

5d No problem                                                                                               0

Activity 6 Bending and kneeling

 Description                                                                                          Points

6a Cannot bend to touch knees and straighten up again            15

6b Cannot either bend or kneel as if to pick up a piece of

paper from the floor and straighten up again                                  15

6c Sometimes cannot either bend or kneel, or bend and kneel

as if to pick up a piece of paper from the floor and straighten

up again                                                                                                            3

6d No Problem                                                                                              0

Activity 7 Manual dexterity

 Description                                                                                          Points

7a Cannot turn the pages of a book with either hand                  15

7b Cannot turn on sink tap or the control knobs of a cooker on

with either hand                                                                                           15

7c Cannot pick up a coin which is 2.5 cms or less in diameter

with either hand                                                                                          15

7d Cannot use a pen or pencil                                                               15

7e Cannot tie a bow in laces or string                                                10

7f Cannot turn o sink tap or the control knobs of a cooker on

with one hand but can with the other                                                 6

7g  Cannot pick up a coin which is 2.5 cms or less in diameter

with one hand but can with the other                                                 6

7h No problem                                                                                             0

 Activity 8 Lifting and carrying by the use of upper body and arms

 Description                                                                                          Points

8a Cannot pick up a paper back book with either hand             15

8b Cannot pick up and carry a 0.5 Litre carton of milk with

either hand                                                                                                    15

8c Cannot pick up and pour from a full saucepan or kettle of

1.7 Litre capacity with either hand                                                     15

8d Cannot pick up and carry a 2.5 Kg bag of potatoes with

either hand                                                                                                      8

8e Cannot pick up and carry a 0.5 Litre carton of milk with one

hand but can with the other                                                                     6

8f Cannot pick up and carry a 2.5 Kg bag of potatoes with one

hand but can with the other                                                                    6

8g No problem                                                                                              0

 Activity 9 Reaching

 Description                                                                                          Points

9a Cannot raise either arm as if to put something in the top

pocket of a coat or jacket                                                                           15

9b Cannot raise either arm to his head as if to put on a hat        15

9c Cannot put either arm behind back as if to put on a coat or

Jacket                                                                                                                15

9d Cannot raise either arm above his head as if to reach for

Something                                                                                                      15

9e Cannot raise one arm to his head as if to put on a hat, but

can with the other                                                                                       6

9f Cannot raise one arm above his head as if to reach for

something, but can with the other                                                       0

9g No problem                                                                                             0

Activity 10 Speech 

Description                                                                                          Points

10a Cannot speak                                                                                      15

10 b Speech cannot be understood by family or friends          15

10c Speech cannot be understood by strangers                          15

10d Strangers have great difficulty understanding speech     10

10e Strangers have some difficulty understanding speech      8

10f No problem                                                                                           0

 Activity 11 Hearing

 Description                                                                                          Points

11a Cannot hear sounds at all                                                               15

11b Cannot hear well enough to follow a T.V. programme

with the volume turned up                                                                     15

11c Cannot hear well enough to understand someone talking

in a loud voice in a quiet room                                                             15

11d Cannot hear well enough to understand someone talking

in a normal voice in a quiet room                                                        10

11e Cannot hear well enough to understand someone talking

in a normal voice on a busy street                                                       8

11f No problem                                                                                             0

Activity 12 Vision

 Description                                                                                          Points

12a Cannot tell light from dark                                                             15

12b Cannot see the shape of furniture in the room                       15

12c Cannot see well enough to read 16 point print at a distance

greater than 20 centimetres                                                                  15

12d Cannot see well enough to recognise a friend across the

room at a distance of at least 5 metres                                             12

12e Cannot see well enough to recognise a friend across the

road at a distance of at least 15 metres                                             8

12f No problem                                                                                           0

Activity 13 Continence (other than enuresis)

 Description                                                                                          Points

13a No voluntary control over bowels                                            15

13b No voluntary control over bladder                                           15

13c Loses control of bowels at least once a week                         15

13d Loses control of bowels at least once a month                     15

13e Loses control of bowels occasionally                                       9

13f Loses control of bladder at least once a month                     3

13g Loses control of bladder occasionally                                     0

13h No problem with continence                                                        0

Activity 14 Remaining conscious other than for normal periods of sleep

 Description                                                                                          Points

14a Has an involuntary episode of lost or altered consciousness

at least once a day                                                                                   15

14b Has an involuntary episode of lost or altered consciousness

at least once a week                                                                                15

14c Has an involuntary episode of lost or altered consciousness

at least once a month                                                                            15

14d Has had an involuntary episode of lost or altered

consciousness at least twice in the 6 months before the day in

respect to which it falls to be determined whether he is incapable

of work for the purposes of any entitlement to any benefit,

allowance or advantage                                                                       12

14e Has had an involuntary episode of lost or altered

consciousness at least once in the 6 months before the day in

respect to which it falls to be determined whether he is incapable

of work for the purposes of any entitlement to any benefit,

allowance or advantage                                                                      8

14f Has had an involuntary episode of lost or altered

consciousness at least once in the 3 years before the day in

respect to which it falls to be determined whether he is incapable

of work for the purposes of any entitlement to any benefit,

allowance or advantage                                                                     0

14g No problem                                                                                  0

Mental Disabilities

 Activity 15 Completion of tasks

 Description                                                                                                    Points

15a Cannot answer the telephone and reliably take a message          2

15b Often sits for hours doing nothing                                                           2

15c Cannot concentrate to read a magazine article or follow a

radio/television programme                                                                             1

15d Cannot use a telephone book or other directory to find a

Number                                                                                                                       1

15e Mental condition prevents undertaking leisure activities

previously enjoyed                                                                                                 1

15f Overlooks or forgets the risk posed by domestic appliances

or other common hazards due to poor concentration                            1

15g Agitation, confusion or forgetfulness has resulted in

(potentially dangerous) accidents in the 3 months before the

day in respect to which it falls to be determined whether he is

incapable of work for the purposes of any entitlement to any

benefit, allowance or advantage                                                                     1

15h Concentration can only be sustained by prompting                     1

Activity 16 Daily living

 Description                                                                                                    Points

16a Needs encouragement to get up and dress                                         2

16b Needs alcohol before midday                                                                   2

16c Is frequently distressed at some time of the day due to

fluctuation of mood                                                                                               1

16d Does not care about his appearance and living conditions          1

16e Sleep problems interfere with his daytime activities                      1

Activity 17 Coping with pressure

 Description                                                                                                     Points

17a Mental stress was a factor in making him stop work                       2

17b Frequently feels scared or panicky for no obvious reason           2

17c Avoids carrying out routine activities because he is

convinced they will prove too tiring                                                               1

17d Is unable to cope with changes in daily routine                                1

17e Frequently finds there are so many things to do that he gives

up because of fatigue, apathy or disinterest                                                1

17f Is scared or anxious that work would bring back or worsen

his illness                                                                                                                     1

Activity 18 Interaction with other people

 Description                                                                                                     Points

18a Cannot look after himself without help from others                        2

18b Gets upset by ordinary events and it results in disruptive

behavioural problems                                                                                            2

18c Mental problems impair ability to communicate with other

People                                                                                                                             2

18d Gets irritated by things that would not have bothered before

he became ill                                                                                                                 1

18e Prefers to be left alone for 6 hours or more each day                         1

18f Is too frightened to go out alone                                                                  1

And that dear readers is how they do it. Surprised? well I wasn’t, these narcissistic fools dont know any better. So the next time you are summoned, take a close look at the questions you are asked and see how they compare to the ones I was, which I have reproduced here for your perusal

I’ll be back


  1. Great help thanx again xx

    Comment by loz — February 1, 2010 @ 2:58 pm

  2. Thanks. I have one coming up and I am terrified. I gave severe depression and psychotic episodes.

    Comment by Chris — February 25, 2010 @ 1:16 pm

  3. Youre welcome, keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 25, 2010 @ 11:04 pm

  4. Hi
    Just need to point out this is NOT the score’s you get for ESA this may be for DLA as there are no scores below 6 points in ESA

    Comment by darrel — March 4, 2010 @ 4:35 pm

  5. I know, its for IB, if you have the score sheet for ESA email it to me and I will publish. http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 5, 2010 @ 12:00 am

  6. Thanx for the points guide no points for paranoia I see,thats I assume that’s because they really are “out to get us!”

    Comment by John — March 9, 2010 @ 2:06 pm

  7. Mmmmm smacks of a conspiracy, doesnt it. I doubt it though, they are just using all of the tools they have available to cut the number of benefit claimants. If you have recently been through the process please tell us about it and above all, appeal, appeal, appeal. They hate it when we do that because ATOS get a kicking when they are wrong. They wont admit it, but they do, aomeone somewhere in the annals of Government will be counting…….

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 10, 2010 @ 8:34 am

  8. I am kacking myself because I didn’t put in a lot of detail on my ESA50, I just talked about how long I have been depressed, not why. Do you think that will harm my appeal (which I fully expect to have to do)? Any help would be gratefully received.

    Comment by Jackie — March 20, 2010 @ 2:38 pm

  9. To be honest, I think its best to give as much information as possible, however, if you that sure you are going to have to go to a tribunal be sure you have your ducks lined up properly and give them as much info verbally as you possibly can. Remember, these people do not know you either, they are simply there to judge if you have been given an unreasonable amount of points by the cardboard cut out down at the local assessment centre. The ATOS “Doctors” are not generally interested, all they want to do is declare you fit for work at the earliest possible opportunity and add you to thier statistics so they can get thier hands on the cash the Government is paying them. So dont beat yourself up about it, just remember, appeal, apeal, appeal……..

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 20, 2010 @ 10:56 pm

  10. dwpexamination, I think if I wanted to set myself up for a fall, I couldn’t have done a better job with that damned ESA50 form. I fell into the ’2 questions with same meaning’ trap, I didn’t give enough information, I declared myself unfit for work by saying that my depression was intractable, but it’s a reasonable assumption when you’ve been suffering from it for 20 years, wouldn’t you say? But thanks for your words of encouragement, I intend to fight this to the bitter end.

    By the way, did you find out about whether or not you can still claim IB while under appeal?

    Comment by Jackie — March 21, 2010 @ 8:09 am

  11. I suppose its easy to make mistakes like this when the form is clearly designed to be self contradictory forcing you into a position of giving two different answers to the same question whihch is cleverly repeated in a different form. Dont beat yourselt up, just go with it. I am sure one day someone will get one of these fools infront of a magistrate and get thier revenge. I didnt find out if I can claim when on IB, but will as my medical is now overdue, I am expecting the IB50 to hit the doormat any day now. I’ll ost on the subject if I am successful or I get confirmation. Good luck and keep us informed.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 21, 2010 @ 3:22 pm

  12. I think this whole thing is meaningless. There’s always going to be people who are scamming who pass the medicals because they know how to play the system. I simply wasn’t looking for any traps, so fell into them. I didn’t put in a lot of detail because I felt it was pointless, as the ESA50 form is geared entirely towards physical, not mental illness. And I was simply being honest about my difficulty in getting over my depression after 20 years of it. Frankly the only reason I’m still around is because I’m not having to deal with the stress of work. I would love to be able to, but I just can’t. Simple as that.

    Comment by Jackie — March 21, 2010 @ 7:33 pm

  13. I think ATOS fail everyone they possibly can, even the scammers, and not because they have good medical judgement, more because they do not know what they are looking at, cant tell the difference between scammers and genuine claimants and because they are above all respondoing to Government targets. Like I say, its not you, its everyone who comes into contact with the cardboard cut outs from ATOS, only very few make it past thier gate keepers. Lets just keep on attacking via the appeals process, our MP mand with the help of the CAB or Welfare rights officers. Next time you have to fill in a form, especially if you do have to appeal, get help. Do not attempt it on your own if your defences are low, you wont do yourself justice. Use your vote at the next election to tell Labout and the Tories you wont take it anymore, take thioer cash cow away from them, remember we have the power…….

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 22, 2010 @ 8:03 am

  14. It’s also not so easy to bare your soul to people who you know don’t give a sh*t about you, who you know only care about saving money and meeting targets. This whole situation is abhorrent. How can the Government justify treating the ill this way? I worked for 12 years while feeling like absolute crap every day, I fought so hard to keep my job, and would have done ANYTHING not to have to give it up.

    There’s no way I’m voting Tory or Labour. I’ve recently had a back-and-forth email situation with the chap who’s hoping to take over from Douglas Hogg (MP for where I come from) and wouldn’t trust him as far as I can throw him. Neither Labour nor the Conservatives give a damn about the ill and disabled. In the online newspapers, whenever an article regarding this subject appears, the ignorance of the general public as demonstrated by their comments is astounding. As far as they are concerned we are ALL swinging the lead. It’s just too depressing for words.

    Comment by Jackie — March 22, 2010 @ 2:40 pm

  15. You dont have to bear your soul, just keep to the facts, say how your disability effects your ability to work, remember, work also includes day to day tasks like being able to focus on what you are doing, being able to concentrate, being able to move or sit comfortably. Dont digress, thats what they want you to do, my impression is that they have selective hearing ahich is in the off position on moost accasions. Lobby your M.P. demand an investigation if and when you win at tribunal, lets make thier lives a misery. I agree its time th epress ind the BBC in particular started presenting articles and programmes that hightlight the plight of those who are on disability benefits and how they are cheated out of them, maybe we could call it “Real Doctors” or “Diagnosing ATOS”, it would frighten the S**T out of the Governemnt.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 23, 2010 @ 8:10 am

  16. Hi dwpexamination,

    My medical’s taking place this afternoon, 7th April. Will let you know how it went (as if I need to). Many thanks again for your support.

    Comment by Jackie — April 7, 2010 @ 8:14 am

  17. OK, here’s how it went. I talked to a woman who had a very nice, pleasant manner and who put on the facade of caring about my state of mind. She asked me a lot of questions about how my depression affects me and I answered as honestly as I could. She clicked the mouse a lot and typed a lot, my mother who was in there with me also answered a few questions, it was hard for her not to because she was trying to help me. Anyway, she said I’ll hear from the DWP in 2 to 3 weeks, and I’m not expecting it to be good news because I faltered a little a couple of times and I’m pretty sure I contradicted myself once or twice as well, but it’s hard not to when you’re under the spotlight.

    I’ll let you know when I get the (bad) news. TTFN.

    Comment by Jackie — April 7, 2010 @ 4:25 pm

  18. First, well done for attending, given your circumstances that must have been difficult. Glad you took someone with you, if you need backup later it may be useful to have a second persons perspective on the “examination”. Make notes as soon as you can on how the “medical” went, you may need to rely on them later at a tribunal so its best to get it on paper whilst its fresh in your mind. Use the form on the assesing ATOS page to help you recall todays events. Keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 7, 2010 @ 11:26 pm

  19. my son helped me look at sites like this to help, as i am 54, and have an examination on april 21 2010, i have suffered from depresion for years, and it runs in my family.i also i severely broke my knee.and cannot walk far and am on high dose pain killers,that have side effects,short term memory loss etc, and i am very scared of what these people will do, it as made me ill with worry,sadly your site as made me more fearfull, of this degrading test. but it is better to know what will happen. many thanks and good luck to the others.

    Comment by rob — April 21, 2010 @ 7:03 am

  20. I am sorry you feel that way, however, this site is read and commented upon by those people who are victims of this cruel and biased system. I welcome comments like yours with open arms and know there will be people who are made a bit more fearful or wary of going into one of these awful “examinations”, weather or not sites like this and many others exist. All I can say is be truthful, take any evidence to support what you are saying in your ESA form or IB50 from as a backup and of course details of any medication you are taking for your pain. I hope all goes well for you and you take someone with you for support and if possible to take notes, these will serve as a useful reminder of the events if you find yourself in a position where you have to appeal. Remember, not every case is the same, the examples on this site are mostly negative, but thats the way the readers feel. If you read more you will begin to get a sense of the frustration the victims have, of ATOS and thier uncaring downright careless “examinations” by has been “Doctors”, who are either to old, have had thier authorisation to practice removed, resigned or otherwise and are now in the process of selling themselves and thier honourable profession for 30 pieces of silver. Try taking a look at the assessing ATOS page, there is a form there which you can fill in when you get home, it will help you to remember the events at your medical. Good luck and I wish you well today, please keep us informed of how you get on.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2010 @ 10:45 am

  21. Hi dwpexamination, me again. I got 9 out of 15 points. To be honest I wasn’t expecting to get that. I’m seeing my new doctor tomorrow, hopefully he’ll give me another sicknote and if he does, I’m going to Citizens Advice on Friday to start the appeal process. The 9 points was for ‘most of the time you feel very anxious or scared when meeting and mixing with new people or going to new places’. So if they acknowledge that that is a problem for me, how am I supposed to start another job? Madness. I’ll keep you posted. Once again, thanks for all the support.

    Comment by Jackie — April 21, 2010 @ 2:59 pm

  22. You’re welcome, and thanks for keeping us posted. Thats a bit of a surprise,I too am amazed that you scored so highly, as you say, there clearly is a serious medical issue here. Why not contact your Local Authority Welfare Rights Officer, they are usually pretty good and are usually willing to attend tribunal hearings, staff availability and workload permitting of course. Maybe they have realised that giving people low marks results in a Tribunal overturning thier decision and have decided to try the middle ground to see what happens. Lets wait to see how others get on so we can make a comparison. It will be interesting to see if the number of points awarded is on the increaseacross the country. Good luck

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 22, 2010 @ 6:37 am

  23. Hi again – sicknote acquired, appeal lodged. Will keep you posted as promised.

    Comment by Jackie — April 23, 2010 @ 11:13 am

  24. Excellent, take your time, look at the “Doctors” report carefully, identify what you feel is incorrect, what is assumed and then work on the lies and fantasy comments. Once you have identified them stop and dont look at it again untill the next day. This will give you time to calm down, gather your thoughts and then you can begin by adressing the three diferent catagories one at a time. By the time you get to the tribunal you should be well versed in your plan of attack and hopefully will win your case. Keep us in the picture.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 23, 2010 @ 1:35 pm

  25. 1c Cannot walk more than 50 metres without stopping or

    severe discomfort 15

    Who is the best person to know that you are in severe discomfort? YOU, YOURSELF and just because you’re not pulling a face like you’re in a competition to see who can pull the ugliest face does not mean you’re not in severe pain.

    Comment by Dean — June 15, 2010 @ 10:09 pm

  26. One of the main problems with pain is it can not be seen by those not suffering from its effects. I your face is contorted with pain at your examination then the ATOS cardboard cut out will interprate this as acting and dismiss it. That is why we need to have fair assessments, Well done for selecting this point to raise, we tend to neglect observations like this.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 16, 2010 @ 7:47 am

  27. Exactly dwp and how can the so called HCP even notice someone in pain when they are typing away on a PC keyboard, or stood behind someone? If they are using video evidence after you have left the room then any of the report that is written using evidence that you are not given should be questioned especially if after they use the video the evidence is deleted, would a court of law allow the police to destroy part of the evidence like on video and take only the written statement of someone? I THINK NOT

    Comment by Dean — June 16, 2010 @ 1:13 pm

  28. If they are recording the “Examination” I think we should be informed of this before it commences, afterall, they dont like it when we record them?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 18, 2010 @ 6:19 am

  29. I’ve had a DWP medical and the results are now in. Apparently I scored 15 and so have ‘passed my medical’. I always assumed that to pass a medical meant that you are fit for work. Not so in this case. To ‘pass a medical’ in the case of a dwp medical means that I have been deemed not fit for work. Does anyone know where my score (15) ranks me on the ladder of fitness (or not) for work? I feel a bit deflated by this result! It’s ok my GP writing a sick note but to me written off by the DWP is a downright insult! My illness is depression.

    Comment by Matthew — July 22, 2010 @ 2:35 pm

  30. I had a chat with a guy at ATOS, got his name. He suggested to me that although the points system used by ATOS seemed clear. the DWP are putting very strict rules on ‘who passes a medical’. I was speaking to this guy whilst waiting for a telephone call from a decision maker.
    I then received the call from the decision maker, now I wonder if this conversation was taped? because if it was it is alarming.
    Three categories for being put in the support group.

    1.) Qaudripligia
    2.) Mentally disabled to the point that you would be unable to pick up a pen from a desk. ( AS described to me from the decision maker in my case) I’d not be able to telephone her since I’d not be able to speak nor hold the telephone.
    3.) People with cancer, BUT! only people who have written documentation saying that they have six months to live.

    The decision maker who’s name I got seemed to melt a bit when speaking to me and mentioned that they have a friend who is having chemo and has been put into the back to work group based on the fact that this person is due a third course of chemo and the outcome could be good.

    DM is telephoning me on Monday since I have asked for my score sheet and medical ‘ which by the way under the data protection act you are entitled to have! ‘ for appeal. I am going to do a u turn here with technology, will explain later. Then with my evidence I hope to have will forward it to Panorama.

    I have never received any payments of ESA since I returned to the UK disabled in 2008. I had previously worked for many years before having my disability. My NI stamps are no longer valid.

    I have PTSD DSM1V, incontinence caused by my PTSD, asthma, and wet the bed three times a week since when I manage to fall asleep which is rare I lose all control and my bladder empties fully. I have agoraphobia, so need assistance to go anywhere. I am in the back to work group ;) yet appealing.

    Comment by LJ — August 8, 2010 @ 10:01 am

  31. Hello .I have just received my Points score and I scored 7 points. I did not fill in an ib50 form Before going for the medical is this normal now.

    Comment by Anonymous — September 10, 2010 @ 9:45 am

  32. Never heard of that happening before, did they just ask you to attend out of the blue? have you recently (IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS) completed an IB50 or ESA80 form?

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 10, 2010 @ 1:31 pm

  33. I was sent a letter, telling me to arrange a date for a medical.Filled in IB50 18ths ago but didn’t have to go for a medical.

    Comment by Anonymous — September 17, 2010 @ 10:57 am

  34. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/794/contents/made

    Link to the score sheet for the new assessments. Expand the headings by clicking on them. You need to score 15 to be incapable of work.

    Comment by maddie — September 20, 2010 @ 3:20 am

  35. hi there i went 4 a medical last year i got thrown off there has i have sufferd deppreson 4rom the age ov 16 tho losing my daughter an have been left with really bad legs i find it really hard to walk an the medical doctor said 2 me pepole lik u sould be working but it ok 4 all the drugys an alicolics out there who can be on there i think if ur doctor thinks ur to ill to work that sould be it

    Comment by mel — September 20, 2010 @ 10:11 pm

  36. My daughter told me that the HCP said my back problem was all in my mind if I had heard her say that in the room I would have smacked her and also done the same if I had heard a male HCP say it. Some HCPs think they can say what they like and claimants have to sit there and take it

    Comment by Dean — September 21, 2010 @ 12:20 am

  37. It is obvious that the term “all in the mind” is a standard mantra drilled into these fraudsters and chalatans during thier training. I bet if one of these so called HCP’s got thier hand jammed in a vice they would soon know where the pain was! Of course its in the mind, thats how the brain works, its how our bodies function. When you burn your fingers its your mind that tells you your fingers hurt! It the ultimate in spin…….

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 21, 2010 @ 6:47 am

  38. I have just had a DWP medical and dispite having Chronic Heart Disease,and am diabetic Being unable to control this condition, I scored 0( zero ) points and was told i was fit for work and should go to my local jobcentre plus to claim jsa immediately as my incapcity was stopped and i should start looking for work.

    Comment by S SMITH — September 21, 2010 @ 12:49 pm

  39. The answer is simple, appeal, do not give in read this blog for further information on how to appeal and join our sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org where you will find many other people in a similar situation. We are here to support ypu by providing information on how we personally challenged the decisions made by the DWP and their enforcement arm ATOS healthcare.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 22, 2010 @ 6:54 am

  40. You missed a trick there IMO, when the doctor said HIV positive and full blown aids isn’t a reason not to work you should have asked “doing what?” Then ask them to name employers that employ people with the conditions they know of and to name them. This would have turned the tables on the doctor putting them under pressure. I would put money on that the doctor would say that they will answer any questions at the end to deflect you from wanting an answer there and then and hope you forgot the question(s) while they asked you further questions.
    Maybe people should answer some of the questions that they are asked at a medical “WHAT AS THAT GOT TO DO WITH MY CONDITION(S)?” as ATOS seem to ask questions that are irrelevant to the person in front of them and the first question they normally ask “What are your conditions” and “how did you get there”
    Personally I think that everyone who fills in the forms to claim ESA or DLA should state in bold print on the forms that all verbal communication will be recorded and don’t give them any phone numbers on the forms either to stop them calling you and should indicate to them that you intend to record your medical, so they should have plenty of warning of what you intend and the HCP should be told BY ATOS that you will be recording. Always use anything you can to put these scum on the back foot.

    Comment by Dean — September 26, 2010 @ 3:33 pm

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  44. I was an HGV long distance driver i had a heart attack in 2004 and 2005 and 2008 i have servea angina i am on beta blockers blood thinners and a G T N spray for when i get pains in my chest which is nearly everyday all the tablets i take are now for life with out them i will die although i have tried to return to work 6 times and been admitted to hospital each time i was taken ill the D.V.L.A. have now taken my licence away from me on medical grounds my last angiogram which i have had 3 and a nuclear scan showed there were more narrowings occuring in my smaller artires of my main artire yet the job centre say i am fit for work how does that work then it takes me all my time to walk and i can’t do that unless i have my walking stick to help me so if you are taking a test form IB to ESA if they say i am fit most of on here have got no chance and i do have medical papers from the hospital confirming my illness so i can’t wait for my letter to tell me i have to go for another medical with the D.W.P. this will be 3 in 6 years so if anyone wants to give me a job get back to me maybe i could do a very light job like shovelling coal all day because those are the kind of jobs they send me for till i tell the employer what’s wrong with me and they just laugh and say no mate i can’t set you on not with your medical history although i can see what Mr Cameron is trying to do he is attacking everyone this is wrong all my medical records are open for the D.W.P. to look at and they can contact my doctor they have copies of the letters from the hospital yet i still have to go for a medical it is so ironic it’s funny so if i pass i will get my licence back that means i can drive trucks that can haul up to 200 tons and more remember when i have my next heart attack and the truck goes out of control and it kills someone family they need to write to Mr Cameron Prime minster of England 10 Downing Street London because his doctors followed his policies the buck stops with Mr Cameron.

    Comment by woody — April 5, 2011 @ 12:29 pm

  45. I have had a letter to attend a medical. I have permenant double vision after a failed attempt to repair a fractring of my eye socket many years ago. I was even offered the chance for the surgeon to have another attempt at repairing the damage ….. That is if I went private and paid for him to ‘Have another bash’ …. You only get ‘One shot’ on the NHS as his secratery informed me at the time.
    I have been unable to work for some years now. The double vision is quite severe and it is hard to cope. It means concentrating on almost everything I do. And makes venturing out almost immpossible … stairs, kerbs etc are a nightmare. Simple things like cooking are an eventfull, if dangerous expeirience.

    Anyway as mentioned, I have been unable for work that is except when I failed a medical three years ago ( after 5/6 passes ) and was made to look for work. Until I passed an appeal.
    Now with this new system. If I do fail and am deemed fit for work. With my eye condition not being what aI would call ‘Safe’. Would I be within my rights to ask the department of works and pension for a letter of guarentee for any future employers insurance.
    I am a barber by trade….. but with double vision would you let me loose on your precious little ones locks ….. I am thinking of the sound of screaming on seeing the bottom half of ones ear …. sitting in your lap !
    Mind you. I have allways yearned to be a Bus Driver …. What fun that would be …. well, more exciting than fun !

    Please advise. Thanks Tom

    Comment by Tony — April 7, 2011 @ 12:48 pm

  46. pls can you answer this question for me for all those people that are sent bk too work but are still disabled and will not recive dla what will happen too there housing intitlement…even though they still disabled does it mean they will loose their house becaue they dont get the intitlement or right too apply for housing …worried this will leave thousands homeless

    Comment by sky — April 18, 2011 @ 11:48 pm

  47. ps….who do you ask for help to fight with appeals,and is it normal practice too be told you can do appeals over the phone,

    Comment by sky — April 18, 2011 @ 11:53 pm

  48. Yes you have every right to be worried, the whole plan is to control us and deny our basic rights, that’s all going to be done away with.
    That’s why Cameron keeps banging on about the big society, which basically means ‘YOU WILL WORK FOR NOTHING, JUST CHEAP LABOUR’ and if you don’t comply, then it’s a three month sanction, and for a further offence in not complying then it’s a six month sanction, and yes that means exactly what it say’s, no help whatsoever, no rebates for rent etc.
    And homeless.
    They are telling everyone what is going to happen, they are revealing their plans up front, some people are just not listening to their message.

    If you are appealing then you must get help from the CAB or Welfare rights, don’t do anything with the DWP or ATOS over the phone if you can avoid it, write them a letter and explain you wish to appeal and could you send on a GL 24 appeal form, and the IB 85 or ESA 85 (whichever one applies to you) medical report.

    Join our sister site for help from real people with experience on the DWP/ATOS and their plans for our future http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 19, 2011 @ 6:43 am

  49. hi could you please help me i had an appointment before christmas when we had the bad snow there where travel warnings and buses werent running so i wasnt prepared to get there by walking which woukld of been 20 mile so i phoned the medical place to explain which they were ok about it we will send you another appointment out in the post that was just before january now come march i hadnt received a letter from them so i didnt let it woirry me to much then a letter came saying i was found fit for work because i failed to turn up for an appointment and that my income support would stop on the 18 feb bearing in mind this letter was sent out from them on march 24th my money was stopped and i was told to apply for j.s.a which i wouldnt be able to with the mental state of mind and the things i was on the sick for as of this date 13 may i have not been payed any proper money as i was in receipt of around 180 pound every fourtnight now i was going to appeal as many phone calls later i was told i was not entitled to any money untill around ten phone calls later i spoke to some one from income support the office not the call centre to which i was told i can apply foe esa now i was applying for crisis loans to which i found the answers really hard to answer i was asked exactly how much i would need and what it was going to cost per day any way i received around 70n pound to last 2 weeks and at one stager had to wait three weeks before i could get one now i am told i cant get any more and i have to wait at least 8 weeks before i will hear about esa i have no ne to rely on for hand outs i am bearly able to get by a day wit out feeling that low i could end it all please tell me if i can do any thing about my situation as i am desprate for money have been for 10 weeks and another 8 weeks is a long time with out any money in the past i have received letters saying that the law says you need x ammounts to live on a week now they are contridicting there selves by the recent paments of 4.50 per day to live on thank you

    Comment by neil millican — May 13, 2011 @ 10:29 am

  50. Good God what a mess, look Neil I was once like you, I put my trust in these bastards, and they deprived me of any income for three and a half months, and they made me homeless as well, I learned from my mistakes, and now you must learn, your very existence depends on it.
    As soon as you received that letter informing you that you were found fit for work, your only option was to appeal immediately by requesting a GL 24 form and get it sent off to the DWP, you also write on there that you wish to be paid at the assessment rate while waiting for the appeal to be heard. That way you could have got on with the appeal and in due course got the assessment rate (which is the same as JSA). And you can still do it, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they tell you it’s too late now.

    This is why we have started this Blog and the forum at http://www.dwpexamination.org to stop people like yourself from falling in to their cruel traps.

    If people don’t catch on fast and join us then there is no hope. Look don’t rely on phone calls (OR ANYTHING THEY SAY) from these assholes, and that is for anybody who reads this.


    Look let me put it this way ”The DWP and ATOS are like a big spiders web, you go in there all innocent, thinking they are nice people (nice spiders) yes it’s dark and gloomy in there, it may even look inviting, and so you go headlong in to their web, and once you are trapped in there they chew you up and spit you out.

    To get money now to live, arrange an appeal, it’s almost certain they will try and find an excuse not to pay you the assessment rate (citing as an excuse it’s to late), in that case you may have to do the unthinkable and sign on to get cash.

    The system is out to deprive us all of our rights, start now and like I did LEARN FROM IT. And never ever let these bastards do this to you ever again.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 13, 2011 @ 2:07 pm

  51. Hi Neil.

    Could you please send your story to John Domokos (e-mail address is below, he is a Journalist from the Guardian newspaper, your story is appaling and should be told to the public.

    I am a video journalist at the Guardian, and am looking for case studies to follow through the process of WCA testing.
    I have recently done a number of articles and films around the practice of targets and benefit ‘sanctioning’ on Jobseekers Allowance, and want to broaden this to look at this assessment process. I am interested in all stories, but hidden disabilities are one area I am particularly looking at.

    Please feel free to contact me in confidence if you are due to go through a test, or want to talk about your experience already.

    Many thanks,
    John Domokos
    07798 717775


    Comment by dwpexamination — May 13, 2011 @ 3:38 pm

  52. is there a certain amount of points you need to get to qualify for a pass on ESA ???? just curious

    Comment by poppy — May 25, 2011 @ 3:49 pm

  53. Hi.

    To pass the functional assessment and be found unfit for work, one has to be granted 15 points minimum.
    Very few people attain 15 points, in fact it’s not unknown that people with brain tumours, cancer, serious heart problems have been found fit to work by ATOS healthcare (I wish they would refrain from using the word healthcare in their logo).
    The whole point in not giving one points is to force one to appeal, and of course that saves them (the DWP) money because when appealing to the first tier tribunal one doesn’t receive full benefits, but have to ask (beg) to be put on the assessment rate (same as job seekers).
    The whole exercise is a farce and a con, and it’s all to improve the figures on behalf of the Government, the only way they can do that is to lie and cheat and write bogus medical assessments and pass them on to the DWP, it’s just not possible to do the assessments fairly and still improve their Government inspired figures.
    In 2008 the then Labour Government decided to… with the collaboration of ATOS invest in to the business of corruption, they have been getting away with it all that time, and the present Government have seen this and decided to carry on with the corruption on a larger scale.
    About time they were stopped, and we are exposing these evil people here and at http://www.dwpexamination.org so every one join us and beat them.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 25, 2011 @ 4:10 pm

  54. I am a 58 year old lady and recently went for a medical assessment as I suffer from osteoarthritis on my knees and find it difficult to walk very far.. a week later I received a letter from them telling me they were stopping my ESA as it had been decided I do not have any limited capability for work…. In spite of just recieving another 12 weeks sick note… Hmm Im a bit lost here does this mean they are over-riding what my doctor is saying and if my money stops then who pays me Im told I can appeal but that still means I am without money in the meantime, I was told I could re-apply for jobseekers but Im not able to do work where I am on my feet and im not qualified for office work, who is gonna employ someone like me at my age with my medical condition im still in shock as I was not expecting this !!!!

    Comment by poppy — May 29, 2011 @ 8:30 pm

  55. Hi Poppy.

    Yes, they are over-riding what your GP is saying, they don’t care if you have a serious brain tumour or terminal lung cancer, they will still say you are fit for work.

    This is the purpose of this site and our sister site at http://www.dwpexamination.org which is to get together and fight these people before it’s too late.

    It’s true you can appeal, and what you should do is phone them up (The DWP) and request a GL 24 appeal form and your ESA 85 medical report, that’s the report ATOS sent to the DWP decision maker.
    Go over the report and identify what you believe is wrong with the ATOS Doctors opinion of your health, then fill in the GL 24 form and appeal.
    As for money, you can apply for the assessment rate (It’s the same as job seekers allowance) whilst waiting for the appeal to be heard.

    For the moment that’s all you can do except one last thing, get in contact with your nearest welfare rights office and let them know you are appealing, and they will help with representing you when the appeal is heard.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 29, 2011 @ 10:22 pm

  56. Thank you for your speedy reply and the help… I will certainly do as you suggested first thing tuesday morning, I was most concerned when they told me my money had been stopped as it would affect my housing benefit as I was only recieving the basic amount now which as you say is exactly the same as job seekers.
    I was also going to contact my doctor and see if I can get some medical information to help my appeal.

    Once again Many Thanks

    Comment by poppy — May 29, 2011 @ 11:05 pm

  57. Morning.

    When you appeal, you can write on there somewhere, that you wish to be paid at the assessment rate whilst waiting for the appeal to be heard (I usually write it at the end).
    Your housing benefit and council tax benefit will carry on as normal, so it’s imperative that you tell them that you wish the assessment rate, this means you get some money rather than be forced to sign on.
    You will have noticed that the bastards don’t tell you anywhere that you are entitled to the assessment rate, they deliberately don’t tell you, they try to give the impression you are entitled to nothing but Job seekers, hoping you will sign on and they can say AH HA another scrounger caught, and another one of the books,
    We must conceed nothing to these people because they will conceed nothing to us, all fairness (instigated by them) went out the window starting away back in 0CT 2008.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 30, 2011 @ 6:21 am

  58. Well I finally got a copy of my medical assessment today and it comes as no surprise I scored zero points… but after reading through it a few times the doctor seems as if he contradicted himself and now after reading through the questions on your page I should have at least scored some points as Im not able to walk more than 400 metres without stopping also unable to walk up and down 12 stairs without holding onto a rail and taking a rest cannot stand without having to hold onto something and the funny one he writes saying I am able to walk around a supermarket for 800 metres where the hell he gets that from amazes me.. I felt it was me who was not as bad as I thought these people sure have a way of making you feel the guilty one, I told the doctor I needed to use my grab rail to get in and out of the shower in the bath but he states I can get in and out of it ok but takes me 15 mins, the list goes on.. I was told to re-apply for J/S or appeal which I am in the process of doing whether it will do me any good is yet to been seen..

    Comment by Anonymous — June 2, 2011 @ 8:37 pm

  59. Hi Anon.

    Yes, you can see it’s a con, so you must appeal, and don’t forget to mention on the appeal submission (That’s the GL 24 Part) that you wish to be paid at the assessment rate, otherwise they will not mention it, and you will be left without money. Get more advice here at http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 2, 2011 @ 10:06 pm

  60. i have sent in my ib50 and waiting for the atossers to end my life ,as i am disabled and not fit for work , i was given my dla and stuff for life now they drop this on me when they fail me i will end my life on you tube with a copy of my medical and i bet that and only that will protect many in this position .

    Comment by Anonymous — June 14, 2011 @ 5:17 am

  61. Don’t do that anon, besides ending your precious right to live, you will be sending a clear message to ATOS that bullying, breaking the law and victimisation works, the best way to defeat them is to play them at their own game, appeal and win.
    That will hurt them more than anything, just giving up and letting them beat you without a fight is just not an option.

    And that’s what we are doing at http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 14, 2011 @ 11:00 am

  62. Limited Capability for Work
    Descriptors and scores for each physical activity
    1. Walking with a walking stick or other aid if such aid is normally used
    Descriptor Points
    a) Cannot walk at all 15
    b) Cannot walk more than 50 metres on level ground without repeatedly 15
    stopping or severe discomfort
    c) Cannot walk up or down two steps even with the support of a handrail 15
    d) Cannot walk more than 100 metres on level ground without stopping 9
    or severe discomfort
    e) Cannot walk more than 200 metres on level ground without stopping 6
    or severe discomfort
    f) None of the above apply 0

    2. Standing and sitting
    Descriptor Points
    a) Cannot stand for more than 10 minutes, unassisted by another 15
    person, even if free to move around, before needing to sit down
    b) Cannot sit in a chair with a high back and no arms for more than 15
    10 minutes before needing to move from the chair because the degree
    of discomfort experienced makes it impossible to continue sitting
    c) Cannot rise to standing from sitting in an upright chair without 15
    physical assistance from another person
    d) Cannot move between one seated position and another seated 15
    position located next to one another without receiving physical assistance
    from another person
    e) Cannot stand for more than 30 minutes, even if free to move around, 6
    before needing to sit down
    f) Cannot sit in a chair with a high back and no arms for more than 6
    30 minutes without needing to move from the chair because the degree
    of discomfort experienced makes it impossible to continue sitting
    g) None of the above apply 0

    3. Bending or kneeling
    Descriptor Points
    a) Cannot bend to touch knees and straighten up again 15
    b) Cannot bend, kneel or squat, as if to pick up a light object, such as a 9
    piece of paper, situated 15cm from the floor on a low shelf, to move
    it and straighten up again without the help of another person
    c) Cannot bend, kneel or squat, as if to pick up a light object off the floor 6
    and straighten up again without the help of another person
    d) None of the above apply 0

    4. Reaching
    Descriptor Points
    a) Cannot raise either arm as if to put something in top pocket of a 15
    coat or jacket
    b) Cannot put either arm behind back as if to put on a coat or jacket 15
    c) Cannot raise either arm to top of head as if to put on a hat 9
    d) Cannot raise either arm above head height as if to reach for 6
    e) None of the above apply 0

    5. Picking up and moving or transferring by the use of the upper body and arms (excluding all other activities specified)
    Descriptor Points
    a) Cannot pick up and move a 0.5 litre carton full of liquid with either 15
    b) Cannot pick up and move a one litre carton full of liquid with either 9
    c) Cannot pick up and move a light but bulky object such as an empty 6
    cardboard box, requiring the use of both hands together
    d) None of the above apply 0

    6. Manual dexterity
    Descriptor Points
    a) Cannot turn a ‘star-headed’ sink tap with either hand 15
    b) Cannot pick up a £1 coin or equivalent with either hand 15
    c) Cannot turn the pages of a book with either hand 15
    d) Cannot physically use a pen or pencil 9
    e) Cannot physically use a conventional keyboard or mouse 9
    f) Cannot do up/ undo small buttons, such as shirt or blouse buttons 9
    g) Cannot turn a ‘star-headed’ sink tap with one hand but can with the 6
    h) Cannot pick up a £1 coin or equivalent with one hand but can with 6
    the other
    i) Cannot pour from an open 0.5 litre carton full of liquid 6
    j) None of the above apply 0

    7. Speech
    Descriptor Points
    a) Cannot speak at all 15
    b) Speech cannot be understood by strangers 15
    c) Strangers have great difficulty understanding speech 9
    d) Strangers have some difficulty understanding speech 6
    e) None of the above apply 0

    8. Hearing with a hearing aid or other aid if normally worn
    Descriptor Points
    a) Cannot hear at all 15
    b) Cannot hear well enough to be able to hear someone talking in a 15
    loud voice in a quiet room, sufficiently clearly to distinguish the words
    being spoken
    c) Cannot hear someone talking in a normal voice in a quiet room, 9
    sufficiently clearly to distinguish the words being spoken
    d) Cannot hear someone talking in a loud voice in a busy street, 6
    sufficiently clearly to distinguish the words being spoken
    e) None of the above apply 0

    9. Vision including visual activity and visual fields, in normal daylight or bright electric light, with glasses or other aid to vision if such aid is normally worn
    Descriptor Points
    a) Cannot see at all 15
    b) Cannot see well enough to read 16 point print at a distance of 15
    greater than 20 cm
    c) Has 50% or greater reduction of visual fields 15
    d) Cannot see well enough to recognise a friend at a distance of at 9
    least 5 metres
    e) Has 25% or more but less than 50% reduction of visual fields 6
    f) Cannot see well enough to recognise a friend at a distance of at 6
    least 15 metres
    g) None of the above apply 0

    10 (a) Continence other than enuresis (bed wetting) where the customer does not have an artificial stoma or urinary collecting device
    Descriptor Points
    a)(i) Has no voluntary control over the evacuation of the bowel 15
    a)(ii) Has no voluntary control over the voiding of the bladder 15
    a)(iii) At least once a month loses control of bowels so that the customer 15
    cannot control the full evacuation of the bowel
    a)(iv) At least once a week, loses control of bladder so that the customer 15
    cannot control the full voiding of the bladder
    a)(v) Occasionally loses control of bowels so that the customer cannot 9
    control the full evacuation of the bowel
    a)(vi) At least once a month loses control of bladder so that the customer 6
    cannot control the full voiding of the bladder
    a)(vii) Risks losing control of bowels or bladder so that the customer 6
    cannot control the full evacuation of the bowel or the full voiding of the
    bladder if not able to reach a toilet quickly
    a)(viii) None of the above apply 0

    10 (b) Continence where the customer uses a urinary collecting device, worn for the majority of the time including an indwelling urethral or suprapubic catheter
    Descriptor Points
    b)(i) Is unable to affix, remove or empty the catheter bag or other device 15
    without receiving physical assistance from another person
    b)(ii) Is unable to affix, remove or empty the catheter bag or other 15
    collecting device without causing leakage of contents
    b)(iii) Has no voluntary control over the evacuation of the bowel 15
    b)(iv) At least once a month, loses control of bowels so that the customer 15
    cannot control the full evacuation of the bowel
    b)(v) Occasionally loses control of bowels so that the customer cannot 9
    control the full evacuation of the bowel
    b)(vi) Risks losing control of the bowels so that the customer cannot 6
    control the full evacuation of the bowel if not able to reach a toilet quickly
    b)(vii) None of the above apply 0

    10 (c) Continence other than enuresis (bed wetting) where the customer has an artificial stoma
    Descriptor Points
    c)(i) Is unable to affix, remove or empty stoma appliance without 15
    receiving physical assistance from another person
    c)(ii) Is unable to affix, remove or empty stoma appliance without 15
    causing leakage of contents
    c)(iii) Where the customer’s artificial stoma relates solely to the evacuation 15
    of the bowel, at least once a week, loses control of bladder so that the
    customer cannot control the full voiding of the bladder
    c)(iv) Where the customer’s artificial stoma relates solely to the evacuation 9
    of the bowel, at least once a month, loses control of bladder so that the
    customer cannot control the full voiding of bladder
    c)(v) Where the customer’s artificial stoma relates solely to the evacuation 6
    of the bowel, risks losing control of the bladder so that the customer
    cannot control the full voiding of the bladder if not able to reach a toilet
    c)(vi) None of the above apply 0

    11. Remaining conscious during waking moments
    Descriptors Points
    a) At least once a week, has an involuntary episode of lost or altered 15
    consciousness, resulting in significantly disrupted awareness or
    b) At least once a month, has an involuntary episode of lost or altered 9
    consciousness, resulting in significantly disrupted awareness or
    c) At least twice in six months immediately preceding the assessment, 6
    has had an involuntary episode of lost or altered consciousness

    Descriptors and scores for each mental, cognitive and intellectual function assessment
    12. Learning or comprehension in completion of tasks
    Descriptors Points
    a) Cannot learn or understand how to successfully complete a simple 15
    task, such as setting an alarm clock, at all
    b) Needs to witness a demonstration, given more than once on the 15
    same occasion, of how to carry out a simple task before the customer is
    able to learn or understand how to complete the task successfully, but
    would be unable to successfully complete the task the following day
    without receiving a further demonstration of how to complete it
    c) Needs to witness a demonstration of how to carry out a simple task, 9
    before the customer is able to learn or understand how to complete the
    task successfully, but would be unable to successfully complete the task
    the following day without receiving a verbal prompt from another person
    d) Needs to witness a demonstration of how to carry out a moderately 9
    complex task, such as the steps involved in operating a washing
    machine to correctly clean clothes, before the customer is able to learn
    or understand how to complete the task successfully, but would be
    unable to successfully complete the task the following day without
    receiving a verbal prompt from another person
    e) Needs verbal instructions as to how to carry out a simple task before 6
    the customer is able to learn or understand how to complete the task
    successfully, but would be unable, within a period of less than one week,
    to successfully complete the task the following day without receiving a
    verbal prompt from another person
    f) None of the above apply 0

    13. Awareness of hazards
    Descriptors Points
    a) Reduced awareness of the risks of everyday hazards (such as 15
    boiling water or sharp objects) would lead to daily instances of or
    to near-avoidance of:
    (i) injury to self or others; or
    (ii) significant damage to property or possessions,
    to such an extent that overall day to day life cannot successfully be
    b) Reduced awareness of the risks of everyday hazards would lead 9
    for the majority of the time to instances of or to near-avoidance of:
    (i) injury to self and others; or
    (ii) significant damage to property or possessions,
    to such an extent that overall day to day life cannot successfully be
    managed without supervision from another person
    c) Reduced awareness of the risks of everyday hazards has led or 6
    would lead to frequent instances of or to near-avoidance of:
    (i) injury to self or others; or
    (ii) significant damage to property or possessions,
    but not to such an extent that overall day to day life cannot be managed
    when such incidents occur
    d) None of the above apply 0

    14. Memory and concentration
    Descriptors Points
    a) On a daily basis, forgets or loses concentration to such an extent that 15
    overall day to day life cannot be successfully managed without receiving
    verbal prompting, given by someone else in the customer’s presence
    b) For the majority of the time, forgets or loses concentration to such an 9
    extent that overall day to day life cannot be successfully managed
    without receiving verbal prompting, given by someone else in the
    customer’s presence
    c) Frequently forgets or loses concentration to such an extent that overall 6
    day to day life can only be successfully managed with pre-planning, such
    as making a daily written list of all tasks forming part of daily life that are
    to be completed
    d) None of the above apply 0

    15. Execution of tasks
    Descriptors Points
    a) Is unable to successfully complete any everyday task 15
    b) Takes more than twice the length of time it would take a person 15
    without any form of mental disablement, to successfully complete an
    everyday task with which the customer is familiar
    c) Takes more than one and a half times but no more than twice the 9
    length of time it would take a person without any form of mental
    disablement to successfully complete an everyday task with which the
    customer is familiar
    d) Takes one and a half times the length of time it would take a person 6
    without any form of mental disablement to successfully complete an
    everyday task with which the customer is familiar
    e) None of the above apply 0

    16. Initiating and sustaining personal action
    Descriptors Points
    a) Cannot, due to cognitive impairment or a severe disorder of mood 15
    or behaviour, initiate or sustain any personal action (which means
    planning, organisation, problem solving, prioritising or switching tasks)
    b) Cannot, due to cognitive impairment or a severe disorder of mood 15
    or behaviour, initiate or sustain personal action without requiring
    verbal prompting given by another person in the customer’s presence
    for the majority of the time
    c) Cannot, due to cognitive impairment or a severe disorder of mood 9
    or behaviour, initiate or sustain personal action without requiring verbal
    prompting given by another person in the customer’s presence for the
    majority of the time
    d) Cannot, due to cognitive impairment or a severe disorder of mood 6
    or behaviour, initiate or sustain personal action without requiring
    frequent verbal prompting given by another person in the customer’s
    e) None of the above apply 0

    17. Coping with change
    Descriptors Points
    a) Cannot cope with very minor, expected changes in routine, to the 15
    extent that overall day to day life cannot be managed
    b) Cannot cope with expected changes in routine (such as a 9
    pre-arranged permanent change to the routine time scheduled for a
    lunch break), to the extent that overall day to day life is made
    significantly more difficult
    c) Cannot cope with minor, unforeseen changes in routine (such as an 6
    unexpected change of the timing of an appointment on the day it is due
    to occur), to the extent that overall, day to day life is made significantly
    more difficult
    d) None of the above apply 0

    18. Getting about
    Descriptors Points
    a) Cannot get to any specified place with which the customer is, or 15
    would be, familiar
    b) Is unable to get to a specified place with which the customer is 15
    familiar, without being accompanied by another person on each occasion
    c) For the majority of the time is unable to get to a specified place with 9
    which the customer is familiar without being accompanied by another
    d) Is frequently unable to get to a specified place with which the 6
    customer is familiar without being accompanied by another person
    e) None of the above apply 0

    19. Coping with social situations
    Descriptors Points
    a) Normal activities, for example, visiting new places or engaging in 15
    social contact, are precluded because of overwhelming fear or anxiety
    b) Normal activities, for example, visiting new places or engaging in 9
    social contact, are precluded for the majority of the time due to
    overwhelming fear or anxiety
    c) Normal activities, for example, visiting new places or engaging in 6
    social contact, are frequently precluded, due to overwhelming fear
    or anxiety
    d) None of the above apply 0

    20. Propriety of behaviour with other people
    Descriptors Points
    a) Has unpredictable outbursts of aggressive, disinhibited, or 15
    bizarre behaviour, being either:
    (i) sufficient to cause disruption to others on a daily basis; or
    (ii) of such severity that although occurring less frequently than
    on a daily basis, no reasonable person would be expected to
    tolerate them
    b) Has a completely disproportionate reaction to minor events or to 15
    criticism to the extent that the customer has an extreme violent outburst
    leading to threatening behaviour or actual physical violence
    c) Has unpredictable outbursts of aggressive, disinhibited or bizarre 9
    behaviour, sufficient in severity and frequency to cause disruption for
    the majority of the time
    d) Has a strongly disproportionate reaction to minor events or to criticism, 9
    to the extent that the customer cannot manage overall day to day life when
    such events or criticism occur
    e) Has unpredictable outbursts of aggressive, disinhibited or bizarre 6
    behaviour, sufficient to cause frequent disruption
    f) Frequently demonstrates a moderately disproportionate reaction to 6
    minor events or to criticism but not to such an extent that the customer
    cannot manage overall day to day life when such events or criticism occur
    g) None of the above apply 0

    21. Dealing with other people
    Descriptors Points
    a) Is unaware of impact of own behaviour to the extent that: 15
    (i) has difficulty relating to others even for brief periods, such as a
    few hours; or
    (ii) causes distress to others on a daily basis
    b) The customer misinterprets verbal or non-verbal communication to the 15
    extent of causing himself or herself significant distress on a daily basis
    c) Is unaware of impact of own behaviour to the extent that: 9
    (i) has difficulty relating to others for longer periods, such as a day
    or two; or
    (ii) causes distress to others for the majority of the time
    d) The customer misinterprets verbal or non-verbal communication to the 9
    extent of causing himself or herself significant distress to himself for the
    majority of the time
    e) Is unaware of impact of own behaviour to the extent that: 6
    (i) has difficulty relating to others for prolonged periods, such
    as a week; or
    (ii) frequently causes distress to others
    f) The customer misinterprets verbal or non-verbal communication to the 6
    extent of causing himself or herself significant distress on a frequent basis
    g) None of the above apply 0

    Comment by Anonymous — June 17, 2011 @ 4:24 pm

  63. Hi,
    I got my letter yesterday giving me 6pts and therefore a “pass” ( in their eyes)
    I, Like many of you are scared witless and angry as hell about what they do to us.
    I spent all last night reading posts on this site and I have to say I have found some comfort in knowing it’s not just me!
    I would really like some help / advice on my appeal, which I am going to take all the way!

    I have already done the following…

    1) Called DWP and requested appeal pack and medical report (appeal pack arrived this morning)
    2) I have been in contact with welfare office who have very quickly got back to me and given me a couple of things to do to help get them appeal on my behalf.
    3) I have called the CAB and requested a home vist from an advisor (should be in touch after the weekend!)

    So I have to ball rolling but what I want to know is…..Is there anything else I can be, or should be doing in the meantime.
    The welfare rights have requested I write to tribunal services and request a duplicate of my appeal papers to be sent to them. Which I will be doing immediately.

    This whole thing and ATOS is an absolute joke!
    I feel ( literally ) everyones pain on this.
    Look forward to hearing form somone

    Chin up guys!


    Comment by Dan Pickard — June 24, 2011 @ 1:11 pm

  64. Hi Dan.

    Your doing all the right things, and it’s good to see you are not under any illusions, just a couple of things Dan, make sure you tell them (DWP) in writing that you wish to be paid the assessment rate while waiting for the appeal to be heard, because if you don’t then they assume you are fit and ready to sign on and will pay you nothing and tell you nothing.
    Also contact your GP and request a medical examination and a written report to present to the appeal panel to help prove you have genuine health problems.
    For more advice Dan, check out the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org and get more help to get on top !!.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 24, 2011 @ 2:34 pm

  65. Hi Dan…Your right it is a real joke what these people put you through to prove your medical condition the fact that the doctor says your unfit for work seems to mean nothing in that case why do we even bother to go seek medical help when we suffer from such illnesse’s sounds like they are making a mockery of the whole medical profession… I myself suffer from Osteoarthritis on my right knee and find it very painful and hard to wak at times but yet when I went for my medical assessment I scored zero points and was told I was fit for work in spite of sick notes I was told Atos overrided these and my money was stopped, After contacting them and telling them I intended to appeal my benefit was reinstated from the date it stopped… I have since found out from the Specialist at the hospital I do need to have a knee replacement so am awaiting that so much for the fact I was told I should start looking for work…

    Comment by Nadine — June 24, 2011 @ 3:11 pm

  66. Many thanks for replies guys and your support.
    I am ready to fight this tooth and nail to the bitter end!
    I hope, like you Nadine, they take one look at my letter where I have highlighted their mistakes and the fact that I have CAB and Welfare rights on my side that they just reinstate my benefits straight away. But somehow I doubt it!!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 25, 2011 @ 1:34 pm

  67. Does anyone know how long you normally have to wait before your appeal is heard ??? Also when I went to the doctors recently to ask about some medical evidence to back my claim he told me they would write to him but I thought you had to collect medical reports yourself beforehand !!! I dont know one person seems to tell you one thing and others tell you different.

    Comment by Nadine — June 25, 2011 @ 2:22 pm

  68. Hello Nadine.

    They ?… will write to him…somehow I don’t think so Nadine, and just shows how out of touch with reality some of these GPs are, trust me, ATOS or the DWP under no circumstances will be writing to your GP for a medical report to help your claim.
    They want to take your benefits from you, not give them to you on a plate, after all that’s the whole purpose of lying on your ESA 85 in the first place, which is to force you to appeal so if you want a medical reort from your GP then you have to arrange it yourself.
    Waiting for an appeal to be heard can take up to nine months or even longer Nadine, so you can get a medical report during that time, somehow you will need to find a way to convince your GP to give you a medical examination with a report to follow.
    That costs money, yes they want extra payment for doing their job, as far as I’m concerned they should be writing reports when the patient asks, not have to beg the bastards for one, these GPs are earning an absolute fortune as it is.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 26, 2011 @ 6:30 am

  69. Well well well !!!! I received a letter a few days ago about my appeal disagreeing with the decision for Employment & Support Allowance and I was quite surprised when they told me they were going to look at my decision again to see if they could revise it in my favour so I would not have to attend a Tribunal.. I was asked if I had any further evidence which helps support my appeal to send it to them, and as I am due to collect a copy of a recent medical I had from the hospital where it will states I need to have a knee replacement…
    I was amazed how helpful the letter from them appeared to be and am now I am just hoping this report will be proof enough that I am not fit for work and my benefit increases… fingers crossed…

    Comment by Nadine — July 3, 2011 @ 10:37 pm

  70. Hello Nadine.

    Fingers crossed and good luck, let us know how you get on.

    Don’t forget to help us stifle ATOS/DWP corruption here at http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 9, 2011 @ 9:11 am

  71. Hi,
    I just had my IB tribunal today (almost a year after I failed the medical).
    I won the appeal.
    I was just wondering:
    1. Am I entitled to claim back the 20% reduction I was losing during the appeal period. And if so, how?
    2. How long till I am forced to go through another medical assessment? Or will they leave me alone now?

    Comment by Anonymous — July 19, 2011 @ 8:43 pm

  72. Congratulations on your victory….. Im still waiting for my tribunal but I know it could be many months before I hear anything, you must be thrilled the wait is finally over !!!!!


    Comment by Nadine — July 19, 2011 @ 8:48 pm

  73. Hello Anon.

    Well done on winning the appeal, when you lose an appeal you hear from them (DWP) almost immediately, and they tell you that you have lost your appeal and need to sign on etc,
    But when you win an appeal, it can take a couple of months or more before you hear from them.
    The best thing to do is send a letter to the DWP and let them know that the appeal was won and please credit me with all monies due, and for you that goes back a year at least
    You will get everything they owe you, it just means you have to wait AND BE PATIENT.
    Unfortunately, as soon as you win an appeal, ATOS/DWP will have you back for an other examination to test your functional ability for work.
    For me it was two months before I was paid and a further two months before I was back for the assessment.
    They will never leave YOU/US alone, that’s why you must fight them here at http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 20, 2011 @ 4:53 am

  74. congrats on the victory! Still waiting for a date for mine but im told it will be around November earliest!! I’m getting armed to the teeth, my welfare rights officer says I have a really good chance so fingers crossed.

    Comment by Dan Pickard — July 25, 2011 @ 10:31 am

  75. Good luck with the appeal Dan, don’t give up though because they will be back and back and back.
    Join the forum and help beat them http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 25, 2011 @ 7:39 pm

  76. Thanks for the support!
    I wont give up. I’ll appeal the appeal if neccessary!
    Apparently the “doctor” I saw for my “assessment” is quite well known for this.
    My entire “assessment” was a shambles so I’m playing them at their own game with the wordplay of the report.
    As with most people here this joker just made things up.
    Spoke of me visiting the supermarket most weeks and walking 800mtrs whilst pushing the trolley and was fine to queue to pay at check out.

    First of all the “supermarket” i spoke of is one of those tiny spar type size indian minimarkets. Its not 800 mtrs if I was to “walk” up and down every isle, twice!
    I never mentioned any distances so where 800 mtrs came from is anyones guess.
    Secondly, Most weeks? this was 5 weeks after major spine surgery. I’d only been out of the house twice during this time, so most weeks?? just not what I said.
    Thirdly, pushing the trolley? Not quite, I said I NEEDED to use the trolley as a walking aid to get around using it to help support me as I shuffled around.
    Lastly, was ok to queue at check out. well unfortunately You HAVE to pay for goods in this country, its the LAW so I didn’t have very much choice in the matter?!?!
    I did say and I quote ” I got there but by the time i did I was hanging off the trolley for dear life, in pain” I remember saying those exact words.
    He also failed to mention that I was accompanied by my designated carer at all times who drove me there and helped me walk and turn the trolley left and right as It was too much stress and pain on my back.

    He contradicts himself a good few times too on the medical report

    Its all just utter f*ckwittery!

    Comment by Dan Pickard — July 26, 2011 @ 11:08 am

  77. Oh by the way, I’m sure this may have been mentioned elsewhere but i thought i’d throw it out there!
    My welfare rights officer asked me to keep a diary.
    Recording pain / activities / exercises (physio) / medications taken etc

    Now as luck would have it I actually did start doing this straight after my op to monitor recovery / pain / meds etc.
    I did this as a record for me, no other reason but it looks like it will come in very handy!

    He reckons it’s good for them (hearing committee) to see how you’re condition is / how you cope on a daily basis / help you need etc.

    So, I would recommend doing this for anyone going to an assessment and or waiting for a hearing.

    just thought I’d mention it!

    Comment by Dan Pickard — July 26, 2011 @ 11:16 am

  78. Thanks for that advice Dan, have a look at the Guardian newspaper online, they have a good article this morning regarding ATOS dirty tricks. People are starting to wake up Dan, so it’s not much but at least it’s a start…!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 26, 2011 @ 11:27 am

  79. Omggggggg Dan reading your post was like reading parts of my own assessment… I was also quoted as walking 800metres around the supermarket and no mention of this was ever said I told him i needed the trolley for support and YES your right we
    all have to pay before we leave or would be up for shoplifting.. These doctors do contradict themselves on many of the questions asked we say one thing they seem to type whatever comes into their heads its one big joke to them playing with peoples lives..
    Im waiting to hear on my own appeal but was told they are going to have another look at my assessment to see if they can revise it in my favour to avoid having to go and was told to send any medical evidence in to them, this was over 5 weeks ago as yet havent heard anything either way not sure if thats good news or not…

    Anyhow Good luck Dan and keep fighting !!!!!

    Comment by Nadine — July 26, 2011 @ 11:41 am

  80. Hi i went for medical and it failed surprise surprise i was not only intimated by this women doctor, she wrote what she liked most of it fairytales made up , everthing on the form, she denied everything when i complained to dwp and atos. I was told that i can cook go out on the bus go shopping etc i have to appeal and am a lost what to do. MY gp is lousy its due to him partly as they asked for a report and he hardly wrote anything yet he knows my hiostory of problems and know refuses to help this Gp is a crook what do i do folks ireaaly need good sound advise, i have appealed but could take months, how do i prepare myself for ths ordel i nnned help and nned somone to represent me as i have no family to support me, any suugestion you good people

    Comment by was — August 15, 2011 @ 11:59 pm

  81. has anyone else beem let down by their Gp as he was too busy to do the paid report for me, who do i complain to that my gp is not supporting me, and trying to fob me off, i live in newham.

    Comment by was — August 16, 2011 @ 12:01 am

  82. Hiya, I have been given a home assessment for DLA, is the check list above for DLA please?? After hearing all these horror stories, I can’t stop panicking. I had an ESA assessment but they did down play it a little. I didn’t care at the time because any help was greatly appreciated. I am destined for a wheelchair because I am significantly worse, I am worried that they’ll downplay it again but I really need this so I can finish my degree. I can’t get there otherwise. HELP!

    Comment by Peksy86 — August 17, 2011 @ 2:10 am

  83. Hi after 10yrs looking after my mother( the last 2yrs 24hrs a day) leaving me with severe sciatica as she needed lifting ect.my mother passed away in May. I was suffering depression prior to her death but its got worse since. and so as my sciatica. I am seeing physio’s and on tablets for pain and depression. I never claimed ESA as I was on carers allowance and this ran on for 8 weeks after her death. and no matter how I felt I still needed to take care of mother. since her death my GP put me on the sick so I sent in my note the end of June. I recieved my first payment of £135.00 followed by a assement form a week later. I am now waiting for a summons to go for a medical assesment any time now. I won’t be putting myself through it. I will go and sign on forJSA and see if they can find a job for a 56yr female with no qualifications apart from saving the government a fortune in care fees. I will make no excuses I will tell them what I can and can’t do. my main point is the sympathy I feel for the people on here who are genuinely ill and still have the fear and the stress of having to fight this malfunctioning system, when its all they can do to get through a normal day. I will support this site and make sure everyone I know supports you all too. as it could and probably will affect us all in the end.
    regards Chris

    Comment by Chris — August 17, 2011 @ 1:21 pm

  84. Hi Chris, first remember you are not alone, you have found your way to us and we will help and support you through this traumatic time. Next go tohttp://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/index.php where you will be able to register with our sister forum and where you will find excellent first hand intellegence and information to help you through this. Try not to give in, if you do sign on for JSA they will assume you were swinging the lead when its pretty obvious you arent.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 17, 2011 @ 5:32 pm

  85. Hi Pesky86, it is always advisable to have someone with you during the assessment to take notes, they will try to put you off but it is your legal right to have notes taken by a representative during the assessment. Although they say the notes you take are not recognised by any court as an accurate account of the proceedings, you can use them as an aide memoir when making any subsequent appeal. Remember it is also your right to decline any exercise the HCP asks you to do if you think it will cause you pain and discomfort. Please go to http://www.dwpexamination.org here you will find a wealth of information and intelligence on how to deal with ATOS. Its free to register with the forum.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 17, 2011 @ 5:41 pm

  86. Many of our members feel they have, why not join our sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org and post the question? I am sure anyone in the same frame of mind will respond.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 17, 2011 @ 5:43 pm

  87. If you feel you have been let down by your GP or have reason to complain about the service they offer you can complain to the General Medical Council, just look up thier web site. Good luck and keep us posted of your progress.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 17, 2011 @ 5:45 pm

  88. Hi was.

    It looks as if you have no option but to get a release slip from the recepionist at your GPs and change your Doctor, Just go to another surgery and when you do, ask them to give you a full examination as a new patient.
    Then after the new GP has assessed your fitness both by looking at your own medical reports from your old GP and the new examination then you can ask if he/she will write out a report for the purpose of an upcoming tribunal.
    Of course they will demand a fee, they always do, if you can’t afford the fee, then legal aid can help…!! Click on to the forum below for more information and knowledge regarding ATOS/DWP corruption.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 18, 2011 @ 12:02 am

  89. Hello was.

    Yes I have been in that position before, it was a new GP and he used to work for ATOS (SCARY HUH) you can do as I suggest and change your GP, then once you have done that and got your medical report, you can report this miscreant of a Doctor to the GMC (General Medical Council), stick the bastard right in it.
    If other people report him/her as well then they can get in to big trouble…!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 18, 2011 @ 12:08 am

  90. I have one of these medicals tomorrow afternoon and i’m so scared. I have cronic arthritis and take morphine 60mg tabs twice a day I cannot walk very far without having to sit down and am always in a lot of pain. Over the last couple of months other things have been going on like pins and needles in my hands and legs plus weakness in my legs. I also have very little bladder control and often wet myself. In the last couple of weeks i have been finding it very hard to leave the house and tend to get very upset if i have to go outside. Doesn’t look good for me tomorrow i’ve never been so scared, don’t think i can cope with this and then waiting for the letters off them.

    Comment by Carol Wilson — August 24, 2011 @ 6:14 pm

  91. Hi Carol, you sound like me :( My doc gave me a wheelchair because when my upper back wasn’t bad, i was dragging myself along with crutches because of the pain. I leave the house once every two weeks if that. I’d suggest that if you cannot do something, do not force yourself to do it, they put me down as being able to walk 50 meters when I was in so much pain I was crying from it. Don’t over exaggerate but if you are in pain doing something, do not say you can do it.

    Comment by Peksy86 — August 24, 2011 @ 6:32 pm

  92. Yes that’s good advice pesky, just tell it like it is, do not say you can do something if you can’t, in other words don’t underplay how you feel.


    Comment by dwpexamination — August 24, 2011 @ 9:49 pm

  93. hi just had my first assessment today , the nurse assessor took photocopies of my specialist consultants reports , they said at the desk they wouldnt give me taxi fair from trainstation this is approx 1mile walk, a bus i would have had to walk 800mtrs up hill , so i took taxi , however when coming out of my assessment my assessor signed form and said go to the desk they will get you a contract taxi, so i guess she new it was to much for me considering there is a bus stop directly outside centre. (is this a good thing / or will i also be told 800mtrs round a shopping centre and in a que ) guess i have to wait till i get my rejection letter. i asked if i could get a copy of her report for my file , that has my chronic pain clinic, rheumatoligist , counselling services, physio therapy, occupational health , occupational therapy reports and assessment in it that i slapped on her desk at the beginning of assessment, she told me she couldnt give one cos she doesnt own the report, how do i get this report ? you have to phone dwp is this correct? Oh forgot – she asked me why my work had terminated my employment so i handed her my letter with headline from NHS MY EMPLOYER , that says termination due to INCAPACITY/ ILLNESS , Did she read any reports ? NO , a quick flick with her eyes, then an exercise assessment which i couldnt do half of due to pain/mobility. Watch this space see how i get on .

    cheers STAFF NURSE L

    Comment by LYNDA — August 26, 2011 @ 6:40 pm

  94. Hi Lynda.

    They’re whole remit is to get you off sickness benefit and on to job seekers allowance, it’s got nothing to do with your health, it’s all a con, some people are found unfit for work BY atos because they need to keep the figures at a certain level, and that’s luck, a kind of pass one, fail four.
    If you condition your mind to accept you will be on a lower rate for a few months, sorry because it could be up to a year, you will win your appeal and all money they owe you (Minus the assessment rate they pay you while you wait) will be refunded, it’s the law.

    And if for some reason you didn’t win the appeal, you owe them nothing, not a penny, so you see Lynda if the worse came to the worse you are no worse off, there is nothing to lose by appealing, but a lot to gain.
    For expert free advice visit our forum http://www.dwpexamination.org there is plenty of people on there who will tell you anything you need to know, if you just ask.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 26, 2011 @ 7:25 pm

  95. Hi all, I just wanted to ask a few questions for my DLA claim. I applied to have my claim re-assessed in Jan 2011 because I am almost completely chair bound now. My claim was turned down and I was sent the reasons as to why they turned me down. The reasons that they gave for declining to give me the mobility component were that I could walk 50 meters without considerable pain. On my application, I stated several times that I could barely make it to the bathroom without having to sit down due to the pain. I also mentioned that I can’t go out any more due to the distance I can walk, listed all the help I need, gave them my medical history and background info on my disability. Anyway, I sent back my 7 page appeal addressing almost every point that they gave me and told them that they had not read my application and reports and were basically not doing their jobs. I guess this must have got them nervous because they are coming to my house for the assessment and I did not have to fill in the ATOS form, I was just given the appointment. Just before this, I rang them to find out what was happening because if I cannot get the mobility component, I cannot go to university….The man at the other end was surprised that I hadn’t got my appointment letter, lo and behold, the very next day, I got my letter but no assessment form.

    Why was the information I gave them ignored?? It would have saved them a lot more money just to ring my GP to confirm everything, right?
    Is it commonplace not to send an assessment form and to give a home assessment without fuss?
    Have they just not sent the form deliberately so that they can turn around and say “we sent it to you but you obviously didn’t fill it in and send it back” I know that sounds really cynical and jaded, I just don’t know what to think when it comes to ATOS.

    People should not have to think this far into the process in order to get help, these mind games are ridiculous and extremely immature. I don’t know why they don’t go the whole hog and hire Jeremy Kyle and his lie detector team!! Isn’t it wonderful when everyone who applies for help is guilty until proven innocent??

    Comment by Peksy86 — August 27, 2011 @ 1:06 pm

  96. Hi Pesky 86.

    Your not being cynical, you are beginning to understand the game, they don’t want to give you DLA, they want you to curl up in a ball and don’t bother them.

    But you mustn’t do that pesky, you must stand up for yourself, and you need some help to combat these criminals, you can find it here http://www.dwpexamination.org
    everything you need to know, all the advice on how to deal with ATOS/DWP is there, click on Pesky and find others with the same problems as yourself.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 27, 2011 @ 8:29 pm

  97. Advice please. I have permenant double vision. This is very, very dibilitating. Even the simplist of tasks are hard. Imagine trying to walk up or down stairs when you can see double the number of steps in front of you. Not allways stationary either. Or puting a cup or hot saucpan down on a worktop that isn’t quite where you think it is. Anyway. i have been like this for fifteen years now. I had one operation to try and fix it and the surgeon explained that if it didn’t work the first time he would go back in and try again …. when that point came. his secratery told me I only get one shot on the national Health. And I would have to go private ( £4.600 14 years ago ) without any guarentees ?
    Well I was called back in four years ago and failed a medical. I won the appeal and the three panalists thought it was quite funny that I lost it in the first place. Even the DHSS rep.
    Well I have just had my letter for another mediacl.
    I was a hairderesser for twenty three years and do not know any other trade. If I lose this appeal ( i have all my limbs, so am expecting to ) I am an obvious risk doing the trade I have. One which a salons insurance I am sure would not insure me for. If I am made to find a job. Would I be within my right to ask the Benifit Agency to give me a letter of insurance…..( Insurance cover would be mandatory for an employee in any trade )…. Would you let me cut your little child or grandchilds hair… especially around his four or eight ears !

    Comment by Danny Power — August 30, 2011 @ 10:31 pm

  98. Hi Danny.

    You would be in your right to ask, after all it’s them finding you fit for work by force, and that’s exactly what it is force, of course your insurance request will be denied because they all know it’s a con. You should be entitled to Employment and support allowance and your only option is to appeal, and win your appeal again, as you probably know you are entitled to the assessment rate while waiting for the appeal to be heard, and all money they owe you will be backdated when you undoubtedly win your appeal again, you can see it’s all a sham now can’t you ?.
    Help us fight them here http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 31, 2011 @ 4:16 am

  99. I had my esa medical reassessment on the 25th of august 2011 at the end of the medical the doctor said you should consider using a wheelchair 6 days later i was refused dla mobility at tribunal.
    panel said DR’s remarks at esa medical could not be used.

    Comment by Ian — September 3, 2011 @ 5:42 pm

  100. Nobody get’s a tribunal in 6 days, you must mean the DWP have told you that your appeal has failed ?, I can tell you that’s not your appeal, that’s what’s called a DWP decision maker reconsideration, it’s a DWP trick to fob you off, and hope you will not continue with the appeal, don’t fall for it.
    As you can see, like thousands before you it’s all a con, the ATOS test is a con, the decision making procedure is a con and so is the tribunal, and they are getting away with it because they can, why put up with it ? why not fight back ?, you can here http://www.dwpexamination.org it’s the forum where people are under no illusions.

    Of course there’s another alternative, just take what’s coming to you, I personally decided to listen to the forum members…!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 3, 2011 @ 9:07 pm

  101. You’ll never guess what guys, after appeal I have had lower rate care removed. I now get no DLA AT ALL.

    Three NHS GP’s and two NHS wheelchair assessors have seen fit to put me in a motorised wheelchair because I can barely self propel and can barely stand let alone walk. I have to move into a purpose built wheelchair house due to the extent and cost of structural adaptations to my current housing association home.

    According to the DWP, I can walk 50 meters and need no care whatsoever. What a joke!

    I went to the Citizen’s Advice Bureau and the man was stunned they did not give me higher rate mob and middle rate care. So, he recommended I go to tribunal and skip the second appeal stage the same day I got the decision letter., which is what I have done. I also complained to the DWP department about the incompetence of the ATOS assessor and the decision maker.

    I plan to talk to an ombudsman and perhaps even a lawyer because they have effectively sentenced me to a life on minimal benefits and poverty.

    My partner now has to claim JSA for him and me, I will be left without a carer during the day as he has to jump through the JSA hoops and I will not be able to afford to go to university or look after myself during the day.

    What a wonderful country we live in, a place where the powerful crush the needy to better their own standing without accountability.

    Comment by Anonymous — September 21, 2011 @ 7:31 pm

  102. It’s an absolute joke isn’t it ? nothing but a joke, there’s a lot of people out there worried about what these people are going to do next, there is going to be no mercy when Personal independence payment comes in, you must look ahead and try and stop it now , go to the forum and start participating before you end up with nothing http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 21, 2011 @ 9:49 pm

  103. Im awaitin appeals for dwp+esa.ive made formal complaint.in 3rd stage getting no joy.i wil not give in untill I get satisfaction of justice.I would b greatful for any advice&help if possible please.Gail

    Comment by Gail Hall — October 9, 2011 @ 11:32 am

  104. Hello Gail.

    You can get all the advice you need here at our forum http://www.dwpexamination.org just pick a user name and log in and ask any questions you like.
    All help, information everything is 100% free, and so it should be for people who are victims at the hands of these monsters.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 9, 2011 @ 1:17 pm

  105. I had my medical assessment nine days ago and wanted to thank you for your website. It really did help calm my nerves and prepare myself for what sort of questions would come up.

    I’ve had OCD all my life, and it’s very debilitating. As a result, I’ve been on Incap since 1998 and thought the change in rules would mean they’d declare me fit for work and I’d have a fight on my hands to appeal.

    But unbelievably, I got a phonecall from Jobcentre Plus this morning and apparently I passed (although I needed a lot of reassurance that ‘passed’ meant I’d stay on the benefit because didn’t I need to ‘fail’ the medical? lol).

    She said I wouldn’t need reassessing until 2014 and I’ve asked them to send me my report, so I’ll post again if there’s anything in it I think might help other people get a better handle on their assessment.

    I was in the medical for over half an hour with a nurse who was OK, but three things stood out to me:

    1) I can’t work out why they asked me for my height and weight, and she took my pulse?? They’re of no relevance at all to what I talked about.

    2) She asked me if I took any other medication, and I said I have painkillers for my knees. This has never come up before in any assessments, but she did do a bit of an examination of them, so it’s possible you’d get points for things aside from your main illness? I hadn’t thought of this before I went.

    3) For those saying they were in and out in 10 minutes, maybe the assessor wanted you to give a bit more of an explanation of why you can’t, for example, answer the phone? I gave her more explanatory information than she asked for, rather than just yes/no answers.

    I think the main thing I took away was that the questions I read on here did come up, and it’s important to match them up and apply them to your illness/disability before you go. I reckon they would have ‘tripped me up’ had I not been prepared, not because what I told them wasn’t the truth, but I wouldn’t have seen the relevance of them to my illness if I’d had to answer them on the spot and under a lot of pressure.

    Sorry it’s such a long post :) but I wanted to pass on a bit of the help I got from the site and hopefully put someones mind at rest that some people do manage to get through it. Good luck to all those who have got theirs coming up, and to everyone appealing their decision, don’t let them grind you down :)


    Comment by CorBlimeyGvnor — October 26, 2011 @ 7:07 pm

  106. That’s good news, and just shows that our forums and Blogs on the internet are making a difference, they know now that there is no excuse, and we are seeing more and more genuine people passing the test, good news for people in the future, but sadly for all the thousands in the last three years not so good news that these so called HCPs and DWP decision makers have only now (hopefully) have just started to see the light. Being nice and genuine to people now is too late, they know they have done wrong in the past and they still have to pay for all their past crimes in the future.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 26, 2011 @ 8:49 pm

  107. Hi, It seems to be that thay are in a hurry, He was in my home for 17 mins,He never told me to get out of the chair Myself or my wife couldnt understand half on what he said due to his accent.
    I am Patially Blind, each eye only sees the right of each eye. Emonopia. Hi medication for Epilepcy, Hi blood pressure. Short Memory loss ( All due to a 12 inch knife into my Brain 8 years ago) I canno longer read or write due attack and everything I am read to i forget 75% within an houre. I cannot leave the house without my Wife and everything somone speake to me i need them to repeat it 2 to 3 times. I cannot walk without a Disability Stick to let other peaople that I am disabled. Anger managment is an issue. My speach willnot say what i try to say.

    The only way i got this on hear was thanks to my 15yr daughter

    Comment by Anonymous — November 20, 2011 @ 11:25 am

  108. You received zero points ?, if you had told me that say two years ago I would have said, they can’t do that, it’s a disgrace it’s illegal, unfortunately we have found that they can do as they please, they can just about break any law that they like because these people are unaccountable, it’s not reported in the press because they are privy to the scam as well.

    You do have a way out though, which is the appeal system, therefore since they are forcing you (and thousands upon thousands of others) to appeal, then that’s what to do, so get a GL 24 appeal form and your ESA 85 assessment report both from the DWP and forward that appeal as soon as possible, when you compose the appeal make sure you tell them that you would like to be payed at the assessment rate whilst waiting for the appeal to be heard.
    The assessment rate is the same as Job seekers allowance and is not much but will keep you going until you win that appeal, by the way all money they owe you is backdated when they receive confirmation from the appeal panel that you are unfit for work. Also make sure you contact welfare rights and get representative help at the appeal.

    Good luck and take care. http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 20, 2011 @ 12:02 pm

  109. Update of Doctor Who wrote the report.

    I got the phone number of the doctor and it seem to be a local number but when answerd thay had no Medical Center name said as normal Centers do. It seems to be just a number for him to use.

    I rang just to get the correct spell of his name for a appeal.

    Thay couldnt wate to put the phone down

    Comment by Anonymous — November 21, 2011 @ 10:40 am

  110. You only rang just to say hello and keep up the good work stitching up genuine ill folks like a kipper…LOL.

    Al bet they couldn’t wait to put the phone down..!!

    It’s remarkable that these idiots think they can ruin you life and you are just going to wring them up and thank them for it…

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 21, 2011 @ 11:53 am

  111. I found out that the DWP didn’t even contact my GP for a report, they based their decision on an illegible report by a “healthcare professional” with no knowledge of the condition and pre-determined questions which are deliberately limited in scope. Funny thing is I was in a wheelchair and pyjamas when I had the assessment and I was deemed able to walk 50 meters, the manual chair was deemed not suitable for me by the NHS so am now in a motorised chair. Want to know why I was turned down for any help? I did not want to attempt walking with the two crutches because I was in pain and did not want to risk losing use of my upper back for the next two weeks, I was classed as being a liar for this reason.

    I am soon to be seen by a rheumatologist who also specialises in my condition.

    I am being treated for a condition diagnosed and treated by the NHS for 25 years but the government obviously feel people who need help should get stuffed and that the NHS are incompetent.Go figure.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 21, 2011 @ 2:13 pm

  112. Why would the DWP bother contacting your GP for a report ? that would obviously be in your interests, and as you have just found out that’s not the name of the game.
    It’s all bullshit and a massive scam, don’t even bother trying to reason with these people just appeal any decisions that find you fit for work.
    You can start with a request from the DWP for a GL 24 appeal form and since you already have the liers ESA 85 report from ATOS/DWP then you are ready to go and get that appeal in. You can get help if needed here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 21, 2011 @ 2:59 pm

  113. Had to take my 18 yr old son for medical assesment as his consultant had not done report…my son is not working he is studying so its not to get him fit for work like some of previous comments it’s purely for just dla..which he has had for many years…he has ulcerated colitis and is on immune suppressants, mezalazine,and when bad steroids now he is in remission at present but living with this is a constant struggle if he eats something his colon doesn’t like it will go st8 through him..wen his next relapse happens he will not want to leave a toilet I have had to pick him up from school as he hasn’t made toilet..he has to go see a rheumatoidologist as the drugs he on is making his joints stiff and painful..wen we got to the medical assesment centre the doctor asked no questions on if he soils himself which at 18 he would find humiliating anyway I took all his drugs his colonoscopy pictures..the guy gave him an eye test ?? What’s that got do with a Colon..when I mentioned his joints the guy made him stand squat n bend side to side which he did but this doesn’t mean his joints are not bad he got to see a rheumatoid specialist..I see what everyone means by fact they make u seem normal this condition does affect his life the drugs can fry his liver he has be careful not to catch too many colds etc as his immune system is lower he has constant worry that his bowels may open up ok he not there to get into work but he was up for same treatment now this dr never once asked about his condition his bowels or anything he asked if he could wash dress n feed himself and gave him an eye test..only thing he did in relevance to his condition was make him bend from side to side but this doesn’t mean his joint problem is imaginary he wouldn’t be seeing a specialist if was am expecting to be scored with zero hadn’t really any idea what to expect b4 I went n wish I had researched this because the whole assesment was waste of time..I can see me having to appeal this maybe it may be done by the time he finishes his A- levels who knows but was very unimpressed at this whole farce it’s a disgrace and an insult to people scammers do not get prescribed immune suppressants or have colonoscopys

    Comment by Julia — November 22, 2011 @ 1:13 pm

  114. Must also add when he is not in remission..he couldn’t walk any distance as he would be terrified of his bowels opening he would need to go to toilet all day and nite imagine the worst tummy bug ever where u live on the loo and times it by 1000.. It comes out like water and is blood stained and will take months to get under control again I’m sorry but this is very debilitating to live with also the fact it sucks ur whole strength away..alone with the fact you can be hospitalised for many weeks and he gives him an eye test I’m just beyond staggered

    Comment by Julia — November 22, 2011 @ 1:32 pm

  115. Hello Julia.

    The chances are you will have to appeal, people with lung cancer, leukemia, brain disorders have received zero points at these idiotic assessments, they are failing everyone and forcing them to appeal, it’s a disgrace.
    If you do need to appeal we can help with the submission and other information at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ but no matter what happens they will be back to make the lads life a misery, so you must get ready to combat them, so try and make the effort to find out what’s really happening in this Country, it’s absolutely shocking and all covered up by the British media.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 22, 2011 @ 1:57 pm

  116. that would be great for any help and thankyou

    Comment by julia — November 22, 2011 @ 2:57 pm

  117. Well I got refused what a shock…I phoned them up and argued the toss on the points they said he had no problem with and complained about the dr who asked him nothing but pointless questions..they are going to re look at it again not sure if that sounds good expected them to tell me to tribunal it (which may still happen) also getting people who have known my son for years to go through the points and tell them what it should say rather than what they put in its place..also going to see my local mp about way these drs run things..cause they going fail as many as they can they want there bonuses..going suggest that fairer way to do it is they get fined for the ones they diliberatly fail for greed.. Might stop them then..wen I get a date to see mp will let u know and anyone who wishes to attend are more than welcome

    Comment by Julia — December 1, 2011 @ 11:17 am

  118. Hello Julia.

    You may have been shocked but at least you weren’t surprised, just imagine you didn’t know all about this fabricated assessment report nonsense, that really would be a shock, and has been for thousands and thousands of genuine ill people all over Britain.
    Anyway, you know they are going to reconsider nothing so the best thing to do is get on with the appeal etc, and don’t forget to ask for the assessment rate while the appeal is pending.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 1, 2011 @ 2:08 pm

  119. I ripped up my report in an atos induced psyche out, i got 9 points in total for my mental problems , the extra 6 woulda been added due to my left ear deafness but cz room was small and quiet, i heard well, if in any normal worklike situation i would be constantly sayin ‘eh?’ but then in any place im a potential psychopath esp in med withdrawal so i guess bein deaf wouldnt matter? Lol see how idiotic all this points sh!t is. Ludicrous.

    Comment by Sue E Sidal — December 30, 2011 @ 4:41 pm

  120. sue E sidal many people who have difficulty hearing can look at another person and make out what they are being asked by a combination of sight & sound take away one or the other and they are stuck. my hearing varies, sometimes I can hear a person in a loud room other times I cannot hear the same person in a quiet room but by looking at their face I have learnt to make out what is being said by using both sight and sound. So this bullshit that they say about hearing is always in the quietest of rooms and if you say you have a hearing problem they will find a small a room as possible.

    Comment by Terminator — December 30, 2011 @ 6:38 pm

  121. Im in a alcohol rehab centre and have received a ESA50 form to fill in and I phoned them today to tell them my circumstances and to see if they would give me any more time to fill the form in because I do not leave rehab till the 31′st of Jan but they said NO, usually I ask CAB to help me full it in but this is not a option because I can not leave the building I’m pretty confident that I can fill it my self just wondering if anyone got any tips for me.

    Comment by Craig — January 3, 2012 @ 6:41 pm

  122. Hello Craig.

    You can get plenty of help on the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ just pick a user name and ask any questions you like that you feel may help…

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 3, 2012 @ 7:44 pm

  123. Hi guys,
    sorry for being a little off topic…

    I have my hearing in the morning.
    I like to think i am as armed as i can be.
    I have letters from my GP, physio & Surgeon. none of which i could have been better myself. I think it’s imperative you have a good relationship with the people helping / taking care of you to stand up with you and vouch for you.
    I have also had an indescribable amount of help from the welfare rights officer so anyone who is struggling or worried then please contact your local officer, they will walk you through the whole procedure.
    No matter what my outcome tomorrow I will be eternally grateful to my guy.

    keep on fighting guys! dont let ‘em get you down!!

    I will let you know the outcome of mine. I’m by no means confident but at least i can say i took it to them!

    Comment by Anonymous — February 2, 2012 @ 10:01 pm

  124. Anonymous.

    Remember…It’s a functional assessment and not a medical obviously it has a medical component, this means concentrate on the descriptors and how they affect your ability to work.
    If you cant’s stand for ten minutes then say so, and explain why you cannot stand for ten minutes, if your mental health is an issue and you could be a danger in the workplace then say so, explain why etc. The descriptors are everything.
    Good luck and let us know how you got on..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 3, 2012 @ 1:55 am

  125. Hi guys,

    Well thankfully I was awarded the decision and they over turned the medical report. awarded a schedule 3!
    On my initial “assessment” i was awarded 6 pts….the hearing awarded me 24!! Just goes to show the DWP for the trashworms they really are.
    No doubt I will be ordered for another assessment in a month and we’ll start all over again.

    But it just goes to prove…appeal appeal appeal. take it all the way guys!!
    The guys at the hearing I found to be fair and objective.
    They are not to be feared but remain constructive in your case. stick to the descriptors and state your case clearly and concisely.

    I was in the room 10 minutes and had to wait 2 mins while they deliberated. my welfare rights guy who assisted me step by step thinks that they had more or less made their minds up before i even entered based on my evidence.
    I dont know if that is true or if it was just the last one before lunch and they wanted out!?

    but stick to your guns and be clear about what you are appealing against.

    I really wanted to stand their and vent about how shocking it is and the so called doctor in the assessment should be shot etc etc simple fact is you cant. it doesn’t help.
    vent those feelings on here, but they have no place in your appeals.

    Keep at em guys! and dont fear the tribunals. its not as intimidating as you imagine, but you have to get your case on paper and in to them!

    keep it up!


    Comment by Anonymous — February 4, 2012 @ 2:01 pm

  126. Hi Dan.

    More good news, and another nail in the coffin of the DWP/ATOS debacle, it’s about time they were investigated for corruption..!!
    Every person who is genuinely ill must appeal, it’s the only way..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 4, 2012 @ 2:56 pm

  127. I had my medical assessment last week, it lasted 3 and a half minutes! The nurse carrying out the assessment did not ask me many questions. She closed the assessment by saying “you don’t have any day to day issues apart from depression and feeling suicidal” if that’s not a day to day issue then I don’t know what is! I’m currently waiting for my decision however I’m not very hopeful.

    Comment by Chelsea — February 12, 2012 @ 3:08 pm

  128. Hello Chelsea.

    Shortest ATOS assessment I’ve ever heard, could be good news could be bad news it’s impossible to tell, let’s hope it’s good news..!!
    If it’s not good news, well you can always appeal and be no worse of than thousands of others, if you need any help you can get it here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/index.php as well as your local welfare rights or CAB, by the way a three and a half minute assessment will help the appeal, Anyway just realise you are not alone..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 12, 2012 @ 3:35 pm

  129. Hi I had a home visit from ATOS as I have mobility problems, my GP faxed them a letter to say that I needed a home visit as I was unable to travel. I had my home visit, and at the end of the medical the ATOS doctor told me that I was a very sick person. I thought that would be that and I would go from the WRAG group into the support group of ESA. I heard nothing for 5 weeks, so called the job centre who informed me that I had passed my Limited Capability for work medical and I had once again been put in the WRAG group. I read a letter from the hospital consultant to the job centre employee, and told her that I was very unhappy about this, and that I would be appealing, 20 minutes later I received a telephone call from the very kind lady at the job centre, who had asked another assessor to look over my medical report, and I was told there and then that I would not need to appeal as I had now been placed in the support group of ESA. I wonder if the people employed by the DWP really do bother to check these reports over thouroughly or do they just go by the first 15 point they see and add you into the WRAG group, then you have to go through the harrowing experience of appealing to see if in fact you were entitled to be in the support group first time round. Maybe the workers at ATOS who do the medicals for the DWP are not always the bad guys, but the odd lazy, can,t be bothered person who is employed by the DWP, Just a though.

    Comment by June — February 13, 2012 @ 12:15 pm

  130. I forgot to mention that the job centre employee said my medical report has been assessed by a Nurse Practitioner, and I pointed out that surely a doctor knows more that a Nurse practitioner, and this would be my reason for appealing, apart from being genuinely ill and someone that is genuinely entitled to this benefit.

    Comment by June — February 13, 2012 @ 12:30 pm

  131. Hello June.

    There has been so many appeals against ATOS decisions that the Government have told them to tone it down a bit because there is far too many people winning, obviously because they are genuine and that is what ATOS are doing following the Governments orders, if the Government told them to herd us in to cattle trucks and eliminate us at the concentration camp at the end, Yes they would do it, Because the truth is ATOS are not nice people, read my lips they are ruthless horrible pieces of scum, and no decent health worker would even consider signing their dreadful contract.

    As for the DWP decision makers ?, they are nothing but mindless drones who have been ordered to deny everyone the support group, amongst other things, and since you have found that out when you told them you are appealing, then for the same reasons as above they have conceeded.

    A lot of people don’t appeal though even though they would win, and the reason is obvious, they just can’t take the stress of an appeal on top of all their other problems. This is what the DWP are counting on to improve their figures, people too ill to appeal…ask yourself….HOW SAD IS THAT..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 13, 2012 @ 2:08 pm

  132. Hi all, I have my first Medical tomorrow at 10.30 with Atos :-( so worried! for the last two years i have been suffering with inflammation of the bones in my foot, which is extremly painful and along with that i have hurrendous shooting pains up my leg and several other things along with it. I do have a job but havent worked since May last year after my boss telling me to go off as she could see i was really struggling with mobility. It feels like there is not enough room in my foot for the bones and feel like they will give way every step i take. I have seen 4 specialists and no one knows whats causing it other than a underlying immune system problem but that doesnt help me as i NEED a diagnosis. Nothing medicaton wise works either. so i need to know about the point scoring. If i answered 1c and got 15 points would that mean i pass or do you have to get more points then they work out the average?? i am really confused. there are other questions that i will get points on but say for example only one question i scored 15 would i pass??

    Comment by jenny — February 16, 2012 @ 9:12 pm

  133. short answer yes! if you score 15 pts in any of the sections then you would “fail”. which is what you want.
    a “pass” to these people means you ARE fit for work.
    My only advice is be ready. take any and all literature with you.
    YOU MUST ask the “doctor” ( i use that term loosely!) to read back the answers you have give and he is entering. record it if you can even just the audio.
    they dont like being recorded, for obvious reasons but i think I’m right in saying (I’m sure someone will correct me?) you would have to let them know you were recording it.
    Also take someone with you, not only for the moral support but also its another pair of ears and someone else to recall the answers you actually gave.
    (might even be an idea to write down the relevant answers as soon as you get out to avoid forgetting.
    be sure to answer clearly and concisely. don’t leave room for a “grey area” to be exploited as they will.
    BUT most of all don’t panic. in fact be prepared to be passed. I hope you don’t obviously but be prepared anyway.
    The day you find out the decision (assuming they have passed you) write to them immediately and request a copy of the medical report AND to be put on the assessment rate whilst you are appealing. its a bit less than the usual rate but it’s better than nothing!
    (oh and be prepared for receiving what may appear to be someone else’s medical report – no answers corresponding with the ones you gave. dont worry about this either, its common place for these idiots. From there there is another ton of advice on here with what to do next. any correspondence sent to the be sure to send it recorded. that way its traceable for when they “accidentally lose” the documents or prevents them from saying they never received it. “it must have got lost in the system?” yeah right!
    I have just had my tribunal and was awarded the decision. my “assessment” was last may, i took it all the way to the courts and was awarded 24pts. – the “doctor” at the “assessment” awarded me 6pts. chin up and keep on. if you get a half decent human i.e. one that hasn’t fully mutated into a slug, then you never know you could be OK. I’m not trying to put the frighteners up you…just want you to be prepared

    Keep calm and carry on!
    As mentioned above it is ALL ABOUT THE DESCRIPTORS –
    to quote DWPexamination above….

    “Remember…It’s a functional assessment and not a medical obviously it has a medical component, this means concentrate on the descriptors and how they affect your ability to work.
    If you cant’s stand for ten minutes then say so, and explain why you cannot stand for ten minutes, if your mental health is an issue and you could be a danger in the workplace then say so, explain why etc. The descriptors are everything.

    let us know how it goes?”

    Best of luck


    Comment by Anonymous — February 17, 2012 @ 1:09 am

  134. Hello Jenny.

    It’s a combination of points Jenny, so if the worst comes to the worst and you do need to appeal then you can demonstrate to the appeal panel that your mobility is restricted, the walking descriptor for instance, can you walk (mobilise) 100 metres without stopping ? if not then you can get points for that, same with standing, you have to sit down ? then you can get points for that and they all add up.
    On the same descriptor, you can only get the highest points for toting up on that one descriptor.
    Yes if the panel agreed that the 1c descriptor applied to you then they would grant 15 points, but you have to convince them with a combination of your Drs report and what you say at the appeal..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 17, 2012 @ 6:24 am

  135. Hi! Iv not long got back! It wasn’t as bad as it seemed but the ‘doctor’ didn’t ask me half as much as what I was expecting. I was on my crutches and my mum came in with me and recorded it! He could obviously see I couldn’t walk with out being in pain and didn’t ask anything about how far I could walk. Asked if I go out etc and do shopping on my own I said no, Internet is the way forward for me lol. He was more concerned about my eye sight that hasn’t been top notch lately and told me to tell my consultant to get my brain scanned. So he seemed very concerned and he wrote stuff down. But I’m worried because he didn’t really ask the questions above!! How ling will it take to hear off them now??? X

    Comment by Jenny — February 17, 2012 @ 1:24 pm

  136. Just received the report from my latest scan, wish I had it sooner!!!! Shall I call atos up and email it them?? Or just leave it till I hear something?? The more I think/worry about this morning the more I think it was crap because he didn’t ask me anything!

    Comment by Jenny — February 17, 2012 @ 3:40 pm

  137. me again! also on my mind is how do they work out which group you belong in work related support group or just the support group??

    Comment by jenny — February 17, 2012 @ 7:11 pm

  138. Hello Jenny.

    Could here from them anytime, a week, a couple of weeks who knows, each department is different and it all depends on what side of the bed the DWP drone got out of that morning..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 18, 2012 @ 12:24 am

  139. Hello Jenny.

    Nobody knows it seems but I do know that it’s ATOS who decide which group you go in to, to get in to the support group you have to be very ill indeed, it’s not unknown for cancer sufferers to be denied the support group.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 18, 2012 @ 12:28 am

  140. Hello’ I will be having my examination at atos this 29 of feb..Ive been a dialysis patient for five years…Fortunately go a transplant almost ten months now…..Myproblem is that Im having pain on my operation site…especially when Im walking….have sleep apnea ang diabetic..My kidney function is deteriorating..Im using urine bag because i have urgency and always getting wet…Externally I look fine…but evryday having aflu like symptoms..does this sign and symptoms qualify…or the way and how you walk the real concern of atos..thanks alot..this blog really helps…

    Comment by krnb — February 20, 2012 @ 9:52 pm

  141. Hello krnb.

    The purpose of the ATOS assessment is to determine your ability to work by assessing your functional ability and not your illness.
    So this means you have to get across that you have difficulty in meeting certain descriptors.
    So in your case you state that you have difficulty walking ? if you have serious problems walking then it’s possible to get 15 points on that alone, depending what you have said on the ESA 50. You could get points for having problems standing or sitting, you see what I’m saying all these points add up.
    It’s the descriptors that matter, and not how much pain you are in, because you can be in a serious amount of pain and still be able to carry out certain functions, for instance a person can be in dreadful pain but still force them self to walk more than 200 Metres if you tell them this then you will not score points and so will not meet that particular descriptor.
    If you are found fit for work then when you appeal these are the type of questions the appeal panel will ask you, can you or can you not walk this or that distance ?, how you answer can be the difference between winning or losing an appeal.
    ATOS don’t care what your health problems are, if you walk in there looking fine then looking fine is what it’s going to say on your ESA 85 report (ESA 85 is the report that ATOS send to the decision maker, if you appeal then this is the report you ask for to see what you are appealing against) and even if you crawl in on your hands and knees they will still say you look fine, this is why an appeal is compulsory for the majority of claimants.
    If you find you have to appeal then you are not alone because we can help with lot’s of information here at our sister site, just pick a username and log in http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/index.php

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 20, 2012 @ 11:20 pm

  142. Thanks very much…it helps ease my mind..

    Comment by krnb — February 21, 2012 @ 9:42 am

  143. Who makes the point scoring decision? I have just called ESA dep and they said it’s still being decided by dwp? God this wait is killing me! Feel so agitated and highly stressed! What a awful awful process this is! Aren’t these people meant to help you try feel better to be able to go back to work!! I’m feeling worse and worse every day with worry!

    Comment by Jenny — February 23, 2012 @ 1:06 pm

  144. Hello Jenny.

    In my local ATOS assessment centre there is posters on the walls saying ”WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR BENEFITS, IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM THEN CONTACT THE DWP” This implies that they (ATOS) do not decide what benefits you/we get, well this is true up to a point because they do not advise the DWP what you should get in the way of benefits, that’s the responsibility of the so called decision maker.
    But the truth is ATOS are responsible for your benefits because they decide how many points you get, 15 points from ATOS gets you benefits and less than 15 points gets you jack shit. It’s all semantics, and although the decision maker (who is a mindless drone by the way) slams the rubber stamp down on your case file, it really is ATOS that decide, and moreover the ATOS health care professionals all know this, they know their actions and erroneous reports lead to serious hardship but they don’t care because they can pass the buck to the faceless Decision maker/s at the DWP.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 23, 2012 @ 2:03 pm

  145. Hi sorry me again, i cant get this examination out my head so my brain is constantly ticking over…………iv got it into my head now that i am going to fail after reading all these horror stories. so i will definitely appeal if i do, wont have anything to loose. but one question is, if you appeal will you still get the basic 13 week rate pay until your hearing? iv looked on other sites and some say you do but you have to badger them about it.??

    Comment by jenny — February 25, 2012 @ 9:24 pm

  146. Hello Jenny.

    When you attend the assessment and you leave the building your result is passed to the DWP by computer almost immediately, but yours is not the only one that day, there are thousands all over Britain going to all the different departments so it take s a while for the DWP to wade through them.
    By the time the decision maker get’s to yours and makes a decision a couple of weeks can pass, so expect a decision letter anytime from a week to six weeks.
    If it’s bad news and you want to appeal then you must get what’s called a GL 24 appeal form and also ask for the ESA 85 ATOS assessment report, scan the report to see what you are appealing against then compose the appeal, you have a month to do this, on the appeal submission make sure you ask them to pay you the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard, if you do not ask them they will pay you nothing, you must ask them.

    You will be paid the assessment rate the minute you were told you were fit for work, if a few weeks pass then it will be backdated, incidentally the assessment rate is the same as Job seekers allowance plus of course a rent and council tax rebate.

    Since the assessment rate is around £65 a week, and your appeal can take say nine months or more to be heard then that’s one of the things we have to put up with until the appeal is heard, the other is you have to send them sick notes, the good news is the component they didn’t pay you in all that time will be backdated if you win your appeal, if you lose the appeal then you pay them nothing, and so can start another re-application for sickness benefits because more than six months have passed since you were informed by the DWP that you were fit for work..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 25, 2012 @ 9:53 pm

  147. ah thats brill, puts your mind at ease that you will be paid while the everything goes on.i have been told to ring Esa department thursday if i havent heard anything by then so crossed fingers!!

    Comment by jenny — February 26, 2012 @ 7:27 pm

  148. Jenny…Remember if you win the appeal then all money (extra component part of ESA) they owe is backdated to the date the DWP informed you that you were fit for work.
    And if the worst happens then you owe them nothing..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 26, 2012 @ 8:47 pm

  149. my son who is 21 and has within the last 8 months gone from a fit lad to being dignosed with a very agressive form of arthritis which has infected his whole body.hes on some serious tablets to try and controll it .
    he went for his esa test got a phone call yesterday saying that he has scored 0 points,i mean how the h…
    he hasnt recived the results though the post yet,
    so he tryed to sign back on the dole and was told he couldnt he was on esa,so he went to esa (rang them up )they said to him that his esa was shut down 3 days ago?
    ive told him to apeal agaisnt it,but he was worried about having no money hes got new baby and a wife .
    now this is what i call a right mess,
    how can some1 in that condiction score 0,he carnt walk far,h uses a scooter,he carnt walk proper which is causing the side of his foot really bad and the doctoers r concerned about that.

    Comment by bryn — March 1, 2012 @ 8:02 am

  150. Hello bryn.

    First of all don’t panic, there is a way out, and we calm down and take each stage in turn.

    The first stage is to phone the DWP and also write a letter with the same information to confirm your call, your son should explain that he wishes to appeal against their decision finding him fit for work, and could they please forward a GL 24 appeal form and also the ESA 85 ATOS Doctors assessment report.

    Also mention on the letter and the call that he wishes to be paid the assessment rate while he waits for the appeal to be heard, if you do not mention the assessment rate then they will not tell him, they tell you nothing.

    The next stage is to get a sick note from your/his Doctor (GP) and ask the Dr to backdate the sicknote to the date the DWP said he was fit for work, if you do not do this then he will not receive the assessment rate, they will tell you nothing, you must find out everything for your self as I had to do, listen to me and I can save you/him from a lot of heartache.

    Now this assessment rate is the same deal as Job seekers allowance, you get the same money and you get the rent rebate and council tax rebate and it’s backdated, meanwhile the DWP will inform the housing association (if he has one) that he is no longer entitled to benefits, this is of course a lie, but they do it anyway, then the housing association will send him a letter saying that now that he is working he owes such and such an amount, the reason the DWP do this is to terrorise people, they are absolutely horrible people, the sooner you know what they are like the sooner you can learn your rights and the sooner you can combat them. Do not worry if they do this, because the next stage (if this happens) is to contact the housing association and inform them that you/son are appealing a DWP fit for work decision and therefore are still on benefits, by that time the DWP will have been told by your son that he is appealing and will automatically stop sending the housing these idiotic letters.

    The next stage is to compose the appeal, you will have had the GL 24 and ATOS report by this time, if you need help to compose the appeal then contact your local welfare rights office or CAB and or log in to the forum here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ they will help you with all the appeal information you need.

    The next stage is to contact a legal advice centre and get legal aid, also ask them to send a letter to your/sons GP asking for a medical report for the purpose of an appeal, the GPs sometimes call the patient for a medical and sometimes they don’t, just depends how well the GP knows his patient, it’s best to get a medical report from the GP because it will be needed to present to the tribunal as medical proof of your sons health condition. The reason for legal aid is because the GP wants paid for the report.

    Your son may get a phone call from a DWP decision maker asking your son to reconsider his appeal, they might even come away with a lot of baloney that he has no chance and it’s best if he dropped it, do not fall for this nonsense, politely explain that you/son would like to carry on with the appeal anyway, the phone will drop, their trick did not work…Got me, as I said they are just awful people.

    That’s it, your/sons next step is to wait, and I can tell you what will happen, he will receive (sometimes a call, depends how desperate they are) a letter saying that his appeal has been reconsidered HIS APPEAL IS DENIED and he is still fit for work.
    This is nonsense, his appeal was not denied the reconsideration by the decision maker was denied, you see the tricks and people are falling for it every day, that is why they can claim they have found so many people fit for work, not through honesty or a fair health test but by deceit, lies and subterfuge. So its another letter to them then thanking them for their reconsideration (cynical) but you/son would still like to carry on with the appeal to the tribunal.
    Do everything in stages and it’s much easier to handle remember it’s slow because time means nothing to them, but means everything to you, there’s nothing you can do about that though…when it comes to dealing with the DWP ”PATIENCE IS TRULY A VIRTUE”
    Hope this helps, if anything isn’t clear enough please don’t hesitate to contact this Blog or the forum.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 1, 2012 @ 10:52 am

  151. Hi All,

    well I have another assesment (if you can call it that) on Monday my 3rd in 2 years and I still get scared!! my Cpn is hopping mad about it, I have C.O.P.D. P.TS.D. and have just been told I have epelisey. When I fit I cant contorl my bowel or bladder, does this mean that I will get the 15 points or not also when I fit I do black out so will I get the 15 points for this also ? I do bare in mind that at my last so called assesment I got no points and I struggle to walk 100m without stopping for breath.All my letters have been sent to the DWP im also taking them with me even my letter from my last appeal telling me that I had won and with 15 points. I do have to say that i won my last appeal only 4 month ago and I have to start again.

    Many Thanks

    p.e.e.d. Off

    Comment by David Insley — March 1, 2012 @ 4:34 pm

  152. Hello David.

    I won my appeal 4 months ago and I’ve been invited back as well, it’s happening to everyone.
    You will win your next appeal as well, apparently the cost of appeals is around 120 Million pounds per year, the Governments 50 Million pounds figure is a lie, they are nothing but charlatans, we just have to keep going David and don’t give up, that’s what they want..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 1, 2012 @ 6:08 pm

  153. It will be 3 weeks Friday since my examination and still heard nothing, I called ESA department last Wednesday to see if they heard anything and I was spoke to like total utter crap!!! She was rude and so unhelpful!! I am so stressed worrying about how I’ll pay bills etc if I get refused, it’s making me ill! Do they think we just ring up for the fun of it???? I really want to call again today but I’m too scared I’ll get the same person!

    Comment by Jenny — March 5, 2012 @ 10:51 am

  154. Hello Jenny.

    Since you have no control over their decision, why encourage them by phoning them up, letting sleeping dogs lie might gain you a couple of weeks before you need to start appealing..!!
    I see absolutely no advantage whatsoever in tipping them off and stimulating them to go to the bottom of the drawer to look for your file.

    Quite frankly personally speaking if I never heard from them again it would be too soon.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 5, 2012 @ 11:18 am

  155. Ah you have actually made sense there! Maybe it would be better in a week or so! I need the next payment on Monday for my bills! Knowing my luck I’ll more than likely get the 0 point Mark this week and my payments will stop! Grrrr I hate all this!

    Comment by Jenny — March 5, 2012 @ 12:10 pm

  156. Can anyone please advise why I have been put in the WRAG for ESA when I scored 24 points for mental health difficulties. I thought if you scored 15 points or more you are put into the Support Group. They say none of the descriptors set out in Schedule 3 to the ESA Regulations apply ? What does that mean ?

    Comment by end of tether — March 14, 2012 @ 1:35 pm

  157. iv just read somewhere with the atos medical for your ESA they contact your doctor?? (for proof) is this right? personally i think it should be done anyway……but i am sure i read else where they dont??
    about my medical, 4 weeks since i had it this friday but apparently the dim wit who did my medical on paper had terrible writting so they had to send it back to get re written (which is a little worrying because it could completely change!!! good job i recorded it though! ;-) !!!! they said last week i should have heard by today but nothing yet!! im all geared up for an appeal now anyway after reading hundreds of horror stories!!

    Comment by jenny — March 14, 2012 @ 2:26 pm

  158. Hello Jenny.

    You need to ask yourself, why would ATOS contact your GP and ask for proof that you are fit or unfit for work ? when they know fine well that since you are appealing that you are unfit and getting sick notes and since the purpose of an ATOS assessment is not to find you fit for work but unfit for work, then asking the GP for proof is not something they wish to see because almost certainly it’s going to say on there that you are unfit for work…LOL.
    Don’t worry about the appeal, the local welfare rights or CAB will help and so will the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2012 @ 4:04 pm

  159. Hello end of tether.

    The short answer is, to be eligible for the support group you have to be almost at deaths door, in fact some people who have a prognosis of a couple of months to live have been denied the support group, to get in to the support group is very difficult indeed, so it’s not unusual to be put in the WRAG..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2012 @ 4:08 pm

  160. thanks for your reply dwpexamination. the “atos hcp” stated in her report that i should be in the wrag group because i take “standard medication and see a psychologist therefore i am showing a willingness to get better and therefore not at risk if put in wrag” ? that seems a crazy statement to me! the way i read it is that if you get help then you are ok to be put in wrag. so does that mean if you dont seek help then you are put in support??

    Comment by end of tether — March 14, 2012 @ 5:14 pm

  161. Hello End of tether.

    The long and the short of it is they do not want anyone on the support group, you can appeal and try to get in it, but they fight tooth and nail to stop you.
    Since the difference is only £5 a week in monetary terms, and the WFIs are a joke then you have to be really determined to give it a go, if you really feel you should be on it then get a GL 24 form and appeal..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2012 @ 5:22 pm

  162. so they can give whatever reason they want and get away with it? do you think the reason i was given can be classed as valid, surely not?

    Comment by end of tether — March 14, 2012 @ 5:37 pm

  163. i know someone very close to me who suffers with lupus and addisons disease and also had a fall in work last year affecting her back but there isnt any evidence to show it, all scans etc are clear BUT she has been put straight into the support group without even a medical!! within a couple of weeks sending the big booklet thing back she had a letter saying that. i dont understand!! i applied before this person too back in october and i am still waiting!! so it shows some do just slip through the net! Im not for one minute saying this person isnt ill but just saying what happened

    Comment by jenny — March 14, 2012 @ 7:12 pm

  164. Hello end of tether.

    Yes any reason they want, they can even say we don’t want to give you the support group, if you want it that bad then appeal, they could even say that and get away with it..!!
    It’s a nightmare, and that’s why we are trying to warn everyone what’s ahead because believe you me this is just the start, the worst is yet to come so you would do well to get to know your rights before the proverbial really hits the fan, in the future there isn’t going to be any welfare rights, well not welfare rights you will want to talk too..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2012 @ 7:28 pm

  165. Hello Jenny.

    There’s something about Lupus and Addisons disease that obviously precludes her from work, she is indeed lucky (I mean as far as ATOS are concerned) and that is rare from ATOS believe me, look what’s being found fit for work, people on double armed crutches, cancer, brain tumours, hell there’s even people in hospital sick bed being told they are fit to work etc, so your friend is very lucky indeed, she will be surprised when her case is renewed in the future though because they will expect an improvement in her condition, and I don’t need to tell you what that means do I. Sometime in the future she will show you a letter saying ”YOU HAVE BEEN FOUND FIT FOR WORK, THEREFORE PLEASE SIGN ON” Trust me..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2012 @ 7:42 pm

  166. thanks for your reply dwpexamination. your right this is a nightmare. it seems unlawful to me. they have created a system where it is always a win win situation for them. they are taking away our human rights. could this not be considered as a breach against our basic human rights ?

    Comment by end of tether — March 14, 2012 @ 7:46 pm

  167. I can just imagine it, its my mum so i know the in’s and out’s of her problems which we are both shocked, even herself why she wasnt cALLED IN FOR AN EXAMINATION. oh well i suppose her time will come one day though so at least i can inform her whats to come!!

    Comment by jenny — March 14, 2012 @ 8:21 pm

  168. Hello End of tether.

    Yes you are right, it is a breach of our human rights, but to get anywhere near the human rights court the rule is every possible way of settling matters have to be gone through first so let’s say for talking sake the totally ridiculous situation where the HCP tried to give you an injection which he concocted in his house to make you fit for work.
    You would strongly complain to ATOS themselves to start, then you would receive a fob off letter and inform you that if you are not happy with their reply then you can complain to ICE (independent complaints executive) who will fob you off and inform you that if you are not happy with their reply then complain to your MP, so you complain to your MP and he/she sends you a letter saying he/she has looked in to the matter and can find no evidence to support your complaint, so if you are not happy with my reply then please contact Mr such and such who is the head of ATOS healthcare, and so you do and you find it’s the same old rigmarole going round in circles, by this time three years has passed, and it’s time to contact the human rights mob so you see a lawyer and he/she says how much money ya got ?.

    Do you see where I’m coming from ? the human rights act is a con, if it was easy to ascertain your rights by using the human rights act then TONY BLAIR WOULD NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS HAVE EVEN CONSIDERED SIGNING IT..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2012 @ 8:30 pm

  169. thanks for your reply. i have exactly the same mindset as yourself. they have covered themselves in every single way. believe it or not i used to work for the dwp and i consider them absolute bastards. they created my illness by saying i was homophobic and went on to sack me for gross misconduct even though there was no evidence. they made their decision based on the “balance of probability”. what they didn’t know was that i was gay and they forced me to come out and still decided i was homophobic! however, this is not the only reason i detest them because whilst working for them for 25 years i realised from the start they are completely corrupt. i should have left years ago, that was my mistake. so these people sack me, cause me to have my condition and then say i should be able to complete wra.who is going to employ me after being sacked for gross misconduct ? they have put me in this impossible situation. it is completely ironic. they had ulterior motives for sacking me in that i developed tynosynivitis due to the unsafe workplace enviroment i was placed in and they somehow could’nt provide me with reasonable adjustments. they were looking for a reason to get rid of me. incidentally the person who made the allegations has tried to beg me for their forgiveness and told me he was conjoled into doing so. he promised to put this in writing but has failed to do so. he no longer works for them. so i am left in this despicable situation. you know what i feel that a little weight has been lifted from me just writing this.

    Comment by end of tether — March 14, 2012 @ 9:04 pm

  170. sorry for the bad grammar and spelling mistakes. i am usually quite proficient in these areas but seem to be losing it because of their crap! i wish they could have a day in our world. then would they say that it is acceptable what they are doing to people by means of their rediculous rules ?

    Comment by end of tether — March 14, 2012 @ 9:14 pm

  171. Hi End of tether.

    It’s well known amongst right thinking people that there’s a dreadful bullying culture in the DWP and you will probably have gathered by now there’s also a Bullying culture at ATOS healthcare.

    This is one of the problems with working for an organisation/s like that, they have you over a barrel and that’s a reason why no whistleblowers are emerging, I know the level of corruption at the DWP is astronomical, if someone had the guts to come out and spill the beans it would be a sensation, I believe if the public found out the real truth, the whole DWP would be dismantled and rebuilt from the botton up.

    There has been whistleblowers, but understandably they do not wish to be identified, until that day when the DWP are exposed for what they are then we will just have to keep battling them as best as we can, remember they are wrong and we are right, and truth always triumphs in the end.

    As for that rabbit who stuck you in ? don’t even acknowledge his presence in the future, he’s just scum as far as I’m concerned, he’s probably a sociopath.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2012 @ 9:29 pm

  172. what should i do then ?

    Comment by end of tether — March 14, 2012 @ 10:21 pm

  173. please help me what to do here. i am still so upset here after 7 years. he was backed up here by the faceless mob who wanted to agree with their employer so their positions were safe. they didnt like me because i was considered beautiful and had their hangups because i wasnt conforming to their rules ie looking younger than my age, being slim, not having children, eating wat i want and still staying slim. i cannot believe that i have forgotten my spelling abilities because of them cunts. sorry for the expletives but it is the only decripition i can give to define them, you have to be a yes person to survive there which i was not. cant say anymore because it sickens me to the stomach just thinking about them. i know thats a cliche but its true !

    Comment by end of tether — March 14, 2012 @ 10:50 pm

  174. Hi end of tether.

    Let’s look at it logically instead of subjectively, you are out of there, there’s no law that says you need to entertain them ever again, just get on with your life, you have a head start over most people, I’ve worked in places where people didn’t like me, sometimes in life when you stand up for yourself people don’t like it, the truth is they probably wish to be like you and don’t have the guts, probably go home at night worried what people think of them or if the boss is going to give them the can next day because they didn’t jump high enough when he/she said so, as you say just yes men, small frightened rabbits, why waste another minute thinking about people like that, and why waste your time thinking about this so called friend that let you down, make him your ex friend.

    Live and let live is what I say.

    So let’s look at your other problem, you think you should be in the support group ? do you know what ? trying to get in the support group is so much hassle it’s not even worth the tremendous effort involved in my opinion, you get an extra fiver a week and you don’t have to go for WFIs, that’s the so called support group, that’s the only advantage/s…big deal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2012 @ 11:29 pm

  175. i am not bothered about the money being in the/ support group. i am in a position where i have savings that will stop me recieving esa in their 12 month rule. it s infuriated me that david cameron has stated that we can no longer rely on ni contributions to satisy claiming benefits, so why are we paying ni contributions? i want to be in the support group so they leave me alone and get a chance to get better,they are comprising this according to my psycholist that vthe tauma they are causing is putting things on hold

    Comment by end of tether — March 15, 2012 @ 12:19 am

  176. sorry im a bit drunk and not explaining things properly. why am i drunkk ? because of those cunts ! sorry but this is the only description i can apply,yes i am explaining things properly.

    Comment by end of tether — March 15, 2012 @ 12:26 am

  177. its probably too late to expect a reply but your logic is helping me but please explain the meaning of sociopath. thanks

    Comment by end of tether — March 15, 2012 @ 12:45 am

  178. Hello end of tether.

    A sociopath ? is a person who can be charming and nice with one arm around your back in friendship, whilst the other hand is reaching for his/her knife. I’m speaking metaphorically.
    A sociopath ? can tell you a lie to your face, and at the same time they know that you know they are lying.
    A sociopath ? Would betray a personal (life threatening even) secret to gain a momentary advantage, like promotion or a pay rise.
    A sociopath ? Can easily show no remorse on the other hand show remorse but not feel it or really mean it.

    Examples of people who are Sociopaths : Our present (especially the cabinet) Government are all almost without exception Sociopaths.

    Displays heightened levels of deceitfulness in dealings with others, which involves lying, conning others without remorse, or even using aliases
    Inability to abide by the social norms and thus violating law
    Displays aggressiveness and often tends to get into assaults and physical fights
    Displays complete lack of empathy for others and their situation for which they are responsible
    Displays no feelings or shallow feelings
    Displays impulsive behavior which is indicated by the inability to plan for the future
    Displays no concern for safety of others around them or self
    Inability to sustain a consistent behavior that stems mainly from irresponsibility especially at work place or in other dealings
    Displays promiscuous behavior

    Research has revealed that since a sociopath never conforms to the rules of the society, he or she is not bothered about the consequences of his or her actions. Such people at times are also able to inspire like minded people. Some of the other traits that are common in antisocial people are that they are usually intelligent and have a superficial charm and they are able to attain success using unscrupulous methods. Thus they can also never learn from their own mistakes and they do not hesitate to indulge in certain activities that are considered immoral and taboo by the society.

    I hope all this gives you a thorough understanding what a Sociopath is.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 15, 2012 @ 2:25 am

  179. Hello end of tether.

    This is what we are up against, and this is what we are trying to fight, the complete injustice of it all.
    A person can save and save, worked hard, paid all there insurance stamps obeyed the law, tried to do the right thing, but through no fault of their own fall ill, and because this bozo Cameron has illegally forced through a new law saying that if they have over £6,000 in their bank account they are not entitled to ESA after a year, it’s a scandal.

    Everything about the welfare reforms has a complete absence of delight, there is absolutely nothing attractive in any of their recent reforms that I can see, in fact they are so unattractive they have to resort to lies, deceit and outright criminality to push them through parliament and therefore become law. And the people of this Country have allowed it because their attitude is well I’m alright Jack, it’s not happening to me so why should I bother, they can’t see it can happen to them and therefore will happen to them if they have some bad luck..!!

    We have sleepwalked in to a Nazi Government and because it takes five years for an election it’s almost impossible to get rid of them, any attempt to try to get rid of them by say a coup or revolution would give them the excuse to set the police and army on to them, make no mistake this is a Nazi Government and things are going to get worse, Legal aid will be severely cut and therefore access to justice, if you have an accident or get run over an ambulance will appear and while you are lying on the road groaning with the pain the para-medic will rummage through your pockets looking for your credit card, and they better find one as well, and one that they can put through a little machine on the spot that identifies money in your account because if there isn’t any money in there you will be dragged to the side of the road then they will jump back in the ambulance and drive off and leave you to get scraped of the road by the next dustman that comes along.

    Think I’m kidding ? think they wouldn’t do it ? think again..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 15, 2012 @ 2:50 am

  180. what is the point of this site?

    Comment by end of tether — March 16, 2012 @ 12:26 am

  181. Hello end of tether.

    What do you think the point of this site is ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 16, 2012 @ 12:39 am

  182. you tell me

    Comment by end of tether — March 16, 2012 @ 12:42 am

  183. dont say its to its to araise awareness, please……………….

    Comment by end of tether — March 16, 2012 @ 12:46 am

  184. should have i said to “increase awareness” dont know, anyway ment to ask you sumthing, when i went for my assesment i had a huge haemoroid and i ask the nurse if she would lance it for me, she threw me out a the health center, cheek, do you know anywon who would lance it for me ?

    Comment by end of tether — March 16, 2012 @ 12:50 am

  185. You’ve asked me at least half a dozen questions, every one of them has been negative, I’ve answered them as positive as I could, so I will ask you have you anything positive to contribute to this page ?. If so please let me hear it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 16, 2012 @ 12:54 am

  186. Has your awareness of this Governments intentions towards you been raised/increased by reading this page on this site ?.

    By the way I suffer from Insomnia, it’s part of my illness..!! Getting some sleep is a normal thing for most people unfortunately it’s not normal for me, I’ve tried the pain killers come sleeping pills like tramadol etc but they just make me ill rather than inducing any kind of decent sleep.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 16, 2012 @ 1:06 am

  187. Can post at the back of six AM as well, imagine that ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 16, 2012 @ 6:23 am

  188. Very funny, why don’t you lance it yourself you clown ?. ok end of tether you’ve had your fun, now please go away..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 16, 2012 @ 6:41 am

  189. Font now why my email address has come up there

    Comment by Jenny, — March 16, 2012 @ 10:49 pm

  190. Well thanks Jenny, don’t worry about your e-mail address because I’ve deleted it for you..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 16, 2012 @ 10:56 pm

  191. Sorry you’re going through such a hard time end of tether, but I think you’re underestimating the amount of support this site has given to people.

    Whoever runs it (dwpexamination) seems to give a great deal of time and patience to reassuring the people posting, at what is usually quite a distressing time in their lives.

    Just by the nature of the net there are probably far more people reading than have posted on the site, I was certainly grateful for it when my time for the dreaded medical came.

    Comment by CorBlimeyGvnor — March 17, 2012 @ 12:24 am

  192. you wont believe this, i called yesterday (esa depo) very reluctantly after the way i have been spoke to by some…….but do feel as though i have a right because not knowing if i am going to have anymore income is taking its toll now. its been 6 weeks this week since my medical. think i have said previously that they had to return the medical forn to atos as it was done on paper and they couldnt understand the dim wits writing. so they said it would take ten days to have it back wgich would of been the 12th, so i was told to call back last thursday which i did. to be told it hadnt arrived back and dwp would contact me but still havent heard. so i called yesterday and they said it still isnt back from atos after 20 days and dont know where its gone!!! she said they would call me this morning but iv waited for the phone call but nothing……….i have never felt this way before, just want the floor to swollow me up, i feel sick constantly. what am i to do?? its coming up to 25 weeks now since it all started, i thought it was meant to be a 13 week thing!! its worrying me too that they have sent the form back but who will write it out again?? the person who did the medical or someone else who cant understand it. I just need to know, its not like i can claim Jsa either because i already have a job and they are keeping it open for me. the system is a joke!

    Comment by jenny — March 21, 2012 @ 1:41 pm

  193. Hello Jenny.

    There’s no need to do without money, you are entitled to the assessment rate (Are you appealing ?) and should apply immediately. And moreover you shouldn’t even have been told you are unfit for work if they had to send the ATOS 85 report back, that means you were found fit for work on an intelligible report, if I were you Jenny I would contact welfare rights or the CAB and see where you stand ?, the DWP can’t do this it’s totally inhuman, so get cracking and get an appointment and explain the situation, I believe you are owed a right few pounds in backdated money, as I said do something now, do not delay..!!

    There was a character called Chris who commented on the Blog anonymity page, says he used to work for the DWP and we are being hard on them it’s not their fault and basically crying about how they have had it tough etc.
    He hasn’t answered my reply, and no wonder how can he defend the indefensible ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 21, 2012 @ 2:38 pm

  194. hi sorry i dont know if i gave the wrong impression just that i still haved had a score from them………….they just keep passing me pillar to post saying you will hear by the end of the week over and over again but now tell me they have lost the medical report that needs to be with the so called decision maker. i give up! i know i am still getting the lower rate until the decision but knowing it could be stopped any day is whats stressing me out, I probably sound like a obsessed winge bag but i just cant get it off my mind. what are they going to do now without my medical report?? he didnt do it on computer so there will be no evidence. so does that mean ill have to do it again?

    Comment by jenny — March 21, 2012 @ 3:02 pm

  195. I’ve recently had my assessment and surprise surprise “failed”.I have functional dysphonia and find it difficult to make myself understood by friends and family and with strangers its nearly impossible. I have developed severe depression and rarely leave the house. I was awarded Nil points for my speech problem and 6 points as “you can deal with people you know but oftenr can’t deal with people you don’t know”. What a load of crap!! My job is open for me to return when I am able. I am losing a fortune each month by not working and now they’ve stopped by benefits. I know i should appeal but feel I can’t be bothered with the extra stress. Any suggestions or advice?

    Comment by Anonymous — March 21, 2012 @ 3:26 pm

  196. have my medical exam been done two weeks ago….it took just ten minutes for the assessment…the nurse look strict and one good thing she is British… ring the DWP about the result..they told me that from WRAG I am move to support group…just waiting for the letter from them..One thing to say is …with this forum I am fully armed when I attend for the medical exam..thanks a lot…Another one is if your genuinely incapable.. there’s nothing to be afraid of…

    Comment by genuinely ill... — March 21, 2012 @ 5:10 pm

  197. Hello Jenny.

    If there is no evidence then how can they still say you are fit for work, looks to me like you are due all your full ESA backdated to the day they took it of you, as I said if I were you I would do something about it as soon as possible, and that means getting Professional legal advice as soon as possible. The CAB and welfare rights have specialists in this type of work, so phone your nearest one Jenny and do something about this..!!

    By the way, the chances are they haven’t lost it, the scribbles are probably so bad they can’t even decipher it themselves and are embarrassed to admit it to you..!! If that’s true then you definitely can’t be found fit for work on a assessment report that doesn’t exist…GET HELP.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 21, 2012 @ 5:21 pm

  198. Hello Anon.

    The extra stress is only stress because you are allowing it to be stressful.
    The appeal system is straightforward, there is really nothing complicated about it, what you must do is take everything in stages.

    First stage, request from the DWP an appeal form, it’s called a GL 24 form, and at the same time ask for the ATOS DRs report, it’s called the ESA 85, when you receive these two documents, read the report and see the different lies the ATOS DR put on the report and contest them, then on the GL 24 explain that you are appealing against their (DWPs) decision finding you fit for work, and add on there that you would like to be paid the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard.
    Meanwhile contact your nearest welfare rights or the CAB and ask for their help, they always try and fit us in. Don’t give up, that’s what they want you to do, fight them because if you don’t fight back they will always look upon you as an easy target, so get in to them and don’t let them mess you around.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 21, 2012 @ 5:31 pm

  199. Hello genuinely ill.

    A good result, but I disagree that if you are genuinely incapable there’s nothing to be afraid off.

    It’s only been lately that ATOS have relented and let some people have ESA, some even without a face to face medical, the bad publicity ATOS have been getting has put their fabricated medical assessments reports to a grinding halt, and it’s because of all the different Blogs and forums all over the internet that have fought back, just as well because if they hadn’t then ATOS would be walking all over us in stiletto heals rather than slippers.
    Over the last three years we have been fighting and I make no apologies for reminding the readers of this Blog that a dedicated few made it possible, we are talking about a couple of hundred people from all over Britain, people who get no recognition whatsoever for their good work in stopping ATOS and the DWP from doing anything they like to us, it’s been annoying and very frustrating over the last three years doing this and at the same time knowing thousands and thousands of benefit recipients haven’t even lifted a finger to help, just sat and did nothing said nothing and just watched on with folded arms..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 21, 2012 @ 5:43 pm

  200. got your point there…maybe its just the little picture what i am seeing right now…not the whole portion..what I am trying to emphasize is that to lessen the burden and stress when you face ATOS…Do you think of any idea that we can broaden the strength of this (forum) action..in a way that we can help each other…I am willing to…

    Comment by genuinely ill... — March 21, 2012 @ 6:28 pm

  201. Hi Genuinely ill.

    Yes there is something everyone can do and that’s show support and log in to the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ by the way, ATOS tried to ban the forum and used British law to do it, but a transfer to a server in Iceland was arranged, since the forum is operating through a server in Iceland which is outside the jurisdiction of British law then you can say whatever in the hell you like about ATOS/DWP and there’s absolutely nothing they can do about it..!!

    Cheers take care.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 21, 2012 @ 8:25 pm

  202. great website for information had my medical in feb lost all my dla despite the fact im riddled with arthritus lower back nerve damage in my necy and arthritus in both neck and shoulders hace to wear splints 24/7 for numbness in my hands sort tissue damage in my left knee colostyy bag which comes off in the night quite freqently loss of controll of my bladder nigth time asthma copd panic attacks and ver strong painlillers they granted me 19.55 per week as i cannot cook a meal for myself im going to appeal of course but i score 30 points by my loss of bladder and bowl controll just how many points do you need very distressed by it all as other peaple on hear thanks for letting me blow of steam xx

    Comment by tina — March 21, 2012 @ 9:42 pm

  203. Hi Tina.

    Don’t forget to contact the welfare rights or the CAB to help with your appeal, they can even represent you at the tribunal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 21, 2012 @ 10:03 pm

  204. i have my medical next week i have been diagnosed with atrial fibrilation in december recieved my forms in january sent them back then things changed i have now been diagnosed with sleep apnia i take beta blockers blood thinners and heart tablets to slow my heart rate ive got no energy at all dont sleep now i got to cpap machine and i am waiting to have an operation called an ablation i live alone scared to go out as i cant get my breath chest goes really tight and feel dizzy have to keep stopping to get my breath im sacred about this medical i feel like i cant cope with life ive got to see the cpn nurse as i cant have antidepressants cause of my heart medication wot do i do if it wasnt for my daughters helping me i dont know what id do

    Comment by debbie — March 22, 2012 @ 2:13 am

  205. Hello Debbie.

    The assessment itself isn’t that bad, they just ask some questions on your day to day living, for instance can you use public transport ?, how did you arrive there ? do you watch television ? how do you pass your day, do you read books or newspapers. Then they might ask if you can lift your arms etc that’s just about it, takes about 20 minutes sometimes even less, then you can go home..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 22, 2012 @ 7:48 am

  206. thank you
    i’ve just failed my atos medical i have sleep aponea(hypopnia syndrom).prenecious anemia,depression,under active thyroid and also going through the menapause so in total im not in the best of health i was on incapacity benefit for 11 years and now i now dont know what to do i am just about to appeal the decision and getting all info i can.
    the best thing is i was on dla for 10 years they took that off me when i went to appeal they said sorry and put me back on it so if dla think im entitled to money how can atos score me no points at there medical( which was done by a nurse) i am so stessed by this anyone got any advice i would appreciate it….

    Comment by heather — March 24, 2012 @ 8:40 pm

  207. Hello Heather.

    It’s all done deliberately to force us to appeal, they have this twisted logic which runs like this, for every hundred genuine persons we can force to appeal we can root out a couple of scroungers, all these people have to suffer just to get rid of a few scroungers.
    Well there’s not a lot we can do about that at the moment except appeal and ask for the assessment rate while waiting for the appeal to be heard, and of course contacting the welfare rights or CAB in your area would also be a good idea, logging in to the forum and learning your rights will also stand you in good stead http://dwpexamination.org/ Not to far into the future there will be no welfare rights or CAB, so everyone will be on there own so it makes sense to learn everything you can now when you can.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 24, 2012 @ 9:32 pm

  208. Hi im a 56yr old scared man ive had psoriatic arthritis for 15yrs i live on my own and struggle with money and my arthritis, i have just sent my assesment form off and i am so worried, how can in this day and age people be treated like scum. after reading what will prob happen to me im nr to just giving up the only thing keeping me here is my kids and grandson, my arthritis cost me my marriage, career i cannot sleep am so depressed dont know what to do next. not good at computers hands real deformed and dont know what im doing anyway, i love my kids but feel im no good just no good benefit scumbag thats all i here, i was left for over 13yrs by my first consultant to survive on pain killers and anti inflammatory drugs as they said my liver count went sky high. ive now got badly deformed fingers n toes n back, knee, wrist finger, shoulder pain. i am now being treated by another dr but the damage is done the drugs i now take help but affect my liver cant win, still they will say im a liar, so low now so scared whatever happened to that loud wild biker of yrs ago…….. atos and DWP ARE THE SCUM.

    Comment by Anonymous — March 25, 2012 @ 2:47 pm

  209. thanks for the info i now know that im not on my own ….i’m going all out to get my benefit back !!!!only one prob i cant access the web link you kindly put in my reply?

    Comment by heather — March 25, 2012 @ 9:01 pm

  210. know just how you feel but never give up you are entitled to this benefit, people get knocked back its quite common as they do not want you to appeal. but 80% appeals get re allocated keep your chin up x

    Comment by tina — March 25, 2012 @ 9:06 pm

  211. http://dwpexamination.org/ Can’t understand that Heather, it works all right at this end.

    Yes the link is fine I’ve just checked it again, if you have the same problem try inserting by hand.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 25, 2012 @ 11:09 pm

  212. HI im ian the 56yr old ex biker, i left message sun im now as down as i can be i am genuine n suffer bad arthritis in back knees elbows hands badley deformed fingers n toes ive had it for 15 yrs as i said before ive just sent my form off n im terrified of wot will happen. didnt think my life could get worse, will i need a solicitor or what can i do, im on my own although i have a great girlfriend son n daughter who help a lot. im no good on pc fingers painful n im computer dim lol i am desperate heip me get through this, u all seem so strong human rights must come into this surley.

    Comment by Anonymous — March 26, 2012 @ 3:56 pm

  213. Hi Ian.

    The best thing to do is go for the assessment and see what they say first, they are allowing some people on to ESA now (unlike a few months ago) even after an examination, you just could be one of the lucky ones.
    If not then you can get tons of help here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ ask your friend to help you.

    Also if the worst comes to the worst then you can also contact your local welfare rights office or CAB, they are great for help and advice.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 26, 2012 @ 4:13 pm

  214. got into web page thanks again ….for my appeal i have to get a med 3 from doc he is baffled cause it askes for only one medical proplem and i have a few he is now phoning dwp himself cause he wants to get the info right for me when i got in touch with them they had no solution for me .l im at the CAB on thursday for them to help (as u suggested) i am also taking my sister who has gone through the same ordeal im so greatfull for this sight it has let me know that im not on my own cheers

    Comment by heather — March 27, 2012 @ 7:42 pm

  215. I finally got awarded dla higher rate mobility and mid rate car!!! Apparently even though I asked CAB to order an appeal the dwp decided to assess my case internally LOL! Aaaaaanywho they didn’t backdate it to the date I gave them because it was over their maximum backdating period. The entire process took from late feb 2011- jan 2012 so almost a year…. I have struggled, stressed, cried and been locked away indoors, unable to get to uni on some days for no reason. The last year has been a waste of my time effectively. This country’s system needs to be knocked down and rebuilt.

    Comment by Anon — March 27, 2012 @ 8:51 pm

  216. Hello Heather.

    What you should do is get a medical report from your Doctor and that will help you at your appeal, now it’s very difficult to get one from your Doctor because the truth is they can’t really be bothered doing them, but they are more likely to agree if they are PAID.

    So how do you get one without asking personally ? well there is a way, and this is how you do it ?.

    Get in touch with any law firm or legal services that deals with legal aid cases, look up the phone book and call them, explain that you are contesting and appealing a DWP fit for work decision and need a medical report from your GP, ask if they can help ? if they can help you then you will be called for an interview, the purpose of the interview is to determine if you are entitled to legal aid, you must take bank statements etc and prove to them that you are skint, if they agree then they make an application for legal aid on your behalf, if they get word back that legal aid is granted, then the next step in the process swings into motion, which is the legal services firm will send your GP a letter asking for a medical report, what happens next depends on the GP, now that he/she is being offered payment the GP may call you for a full assessment on your health, or alternatively the GP may just send them a report if he/she knows you well enough (Of course his/her fee will be in there as well), either way the legal services will send you a copy to take to the tribunal (you can give a copy to the cab as well) since it can take a while (six months or more) for the appeal to be heard, then you have plenty of time to arrange all this, but don’t delay the sooner the better.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 27, 2012 @ 8:57 pm

  217. Ian, never give up:) you need the patience of saints to get what you are entitled to from the dwp…I honestly think Mother Teresa would have struggled to keep her cool.

    Some advice: ESA is like DLA. It is about how you cope with personal chores on a day to day basis on an AVERAGE day…I.e brushing teeth, going to the toilet, making food, walking distances, picking things up, getting dressed, writing etc. you MUST be consistent because they assume a hell of a lot and even make things up in extreme cases. For example, if there are stairs to get to an assessment, they might assume that you can walk a certain distance without pain and that you can bend and straighten up and dress yourself etc…

    If you say you can peel food, they will assume that you can use a keyboard and have no problems writing. You really have to think about the implications of what you are saying.

    If you really struggle with something and you know it is making you worse, say you cannot do it. I can get into the bath with a huuuuge amount of help but my OT said it was dangerous for me and my partner and should stop doing it immediately.

    I would say, record your assessment if you get one.

    Comment by Anon — March 27, 2012 @ 9:07 pm

  218. Hello Anon.

    Congratulations and that’s a weight of your mind, get to know your rights now, because they will be back..!!

    For instance are you aware that starting in April 2013 if you appeal a DWP fit for work decision you will not be paid at the ESA assessment rate ? this means if you don’t sign on for work you will receive no benefits whatsoever, that’s right zero, zilch. And even if you do sign on for work just to get some money, what’s to stop some over zealous pen pusher from denying you JSA because in their opinion you are unfit for work, the implications are terrifying.

    SHOCKING ISN’T IT ? IT’S AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE DON’T KNOW THAT. Get to know your rights now http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 27, 2012 @ 9:13 pm

  219. debbie well ive got all my medical letters and new letter about my operation and ive got my sleep apnia machine wish me luck got my medical tomorow my daughter is takeing me as cant walk very far before my chest get tight and cant get my breath if they say fit for work ill scream im waiting for an operation at newcross heart and lung clinic

    Comment by debbie — March 27, 2012 @ 9:34 pm

  220. Hello Debbie.

    Good luck Debbie, I’ve got mine in a couple of days a well..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 27, 2012 @ 11:53 pm

  221. just had my medical she was very young she said she was a nurse she looked at my letters from doctor and hospital about my operation and my cpap machine i have to use every night did lots of typing took my blood pressure asked me to try and touch my toes and sqat down now i wait for there results fingers crossed debbie

    Comment by debbie — March 28, 2012 @ 4:28 pm

  222. hi debbie
    i got a nurse aswell i also have a cpap machine and had to do squats i hope u didnt get the same wretched witch that i got (sounds like the same medical i got) didnt happen to be in edinburgh by any chance? fingers crossed for u

    Comment by heather — March 28, 2012 @ 5:45 pm

  223. hi im on home dialysis and have been told to apply for ESA but im wondering is this gonna be awarded to my as im having to do it four times a day which in turn makes me unable to work

    Comment by elaine — April 2, 2012 @ 4:25 pm

  224. Hello Elaine.

    Can I ask what do you expect to be awarded to you ? is there anything else ? what are you getting at the moment ? are you getting Incapacity benefit ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 2, 2012 @ 5:26 pm

  225. I had a medical a year ago and failed. So I appealed and it went to tribunal, I passed that. Now they have said I have to have another medical tomorrow. I am at a loss…

    I have Psoriatic arthritis in most of my joints, spondylosis of the spine, very painful sciatica when I walk that stops me dead in my tracks.I lack grip in my fingers and my wrists feel like they are made of glass and the slightest knock sends a shock wave of pain through me. I wear wrist supports and use a crutch every day. I am on strong painful killers and anti-depresants (have been on and off most of my life)

    Sometimes I just think what’s the point to this life when you have no quality if awake or asleep in constant pain and these people sit there and good as call you a liar!!!!

    I am dreading tomorrow it is making me sick with nerves I just know they are going to confuse me and talk in riddles till I don’t know up from down….if I could work I would, not like I never have!

    Really feeling disillusioned with life ….seriously what is the point

    Comment by Tina — April 3, 2012 @ 1:39 pm

  226. Hello Tina.

    I don’t know what to say except we are all in the same boat, last year I had an assessment and failed, nine months later I won my tribunal appeal, and a couple of months later I had to attend another assessment, I’m waiting for the brown letter, and I expect it to say ”Zero points you are now fit for work” everyone knows now that the ATOS assessment is fixed, even the charities know, in fact one of the CEOs http://www.mind.org.uk/blog/6632_why_the_wca_isnt_working from the charity mind has quit his job with MIND in protest at these flawed assessments.
    Hopefully in the future whisleblowers will emerge and expose this sham for what it is..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 3, 2012 @ 4:11 pm

  227. I got so worried about it all I made myself ill and had to cancel. They are going to make me another appointment for a couple of weeks….

    Comment by Tina — April 4, 2012 @ 1:35 pm

  228. Hi, i just wanted to say thankyou so much for this website, i have just been put into the support group for esa, but next week a doctor from DLA is coming to do an assessement, i was told by DWP that i must be realy ill to be in support group, so why should i need another medical from the DLA the whole thing makes no sense, and why do we only get esa for 12 months what happens after 12 months we still need money to live bearing in mind we all paid NI while we could work. It realy makes the whole system a laughing stock.

    Comment by pat jobes — April 7, 2012 @ 10:35 pm

  229. Hello Pat.

    As long as you get the support group you will still get ESA, beware if they put you on to the WRAG then they can take it of you after a year, the DLA is supposed to be separate, but they still judge you on whether you are on ESA or not, you are in the support group so that will help your claim, but don’t be complacent, it may well help your claim but knowing the DWP as we do it doesn’t guarantee anything.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 8, 2012 @ 7:19 am

  230. Hi dwpexamination

    I’m having an assessment for ESA on 3rd May. Worried that even though I have a genuine disability, they may say it makes not a jot of difference to them. Can you e-mail me the points list for the ESA assessment so that I know what I’m up against?
    With many thanks.

    Comment by ladonia12 — April 15, 2012 @ 3:53 pm

  231. Thank you for your reply.

    Comment by Anonymous — April 16, 2012 @ 2:46 pm

  232. i finally had my results from the decision makes and guess what i failed……….what do i do now? they couldnt tell me how many points i had, just that ill recieve the letter in the post. what do i do? absolutely furious, in tears now and i just dont know where to go or who to speak to

    Comment by jenny — April 20, 2012 @ 10:34 am

  233. Hello Jenny.

    There are plenty of people to speak too, you just need to know where to go, http://www.dwpexamination.org is a forum with loads of people in our situation, they will tell you what to do step by step, it goes a long way to easing the pain.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 20, 2012 @ 12:48 pm

  234. hi thANK YOU, just found out that i got 12 points and now have to put in for a reconsideration

    Comment by jenny — April 20, 2012 @ 1:22 pm

  235. hi me again, is there anywhere on here that helps with writing a reconsideration letter?

    Comment by jenny — April 20, 2012 @ 2:03 pm

  236. Hello Jenny.

    You don’t write a reconsideration letter you write an appeal letter, for this you need a GL 24 form and your ESA 85 assessment report so you know what you are appealing against, both can be requested from the DWP that deals with your claim, then they reconsider it and send you back a letter saying they have reconsidered your appeal and you are still fit for work, I do hope you understand what I’m trying to get across here.
    So you can see it’s a game, so play the game and send another letter but this time you say Thank you for your reconsideration, but I would still like to go ahead with the appeal anyway etc etc.
    If you want to know how to write an appeal letter via the GL 24 appeal form then as I said on another post all this information is available here on the forum.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 20, 2012 @ 3:57 pm

  237. oh thats strange, the lady said ‘you need to write asking them to reconsider the claim and provide the new evidence i now have with that letter’ she said i MUST Write it starting like this ‘ im am writing to you for you to reconsider the claim for esa’ something like that anyway and enclose everything i have. i havent yet received it in paper just over the phone so no doubt ill get the letter tomorrow. so i skip this letter then and go straight to appeal?? i dont understand. she says i have to do it in writing asking them to reconsider?

    Comment by jenny — April 20, 2012 @ 4:21 pm

  238. Hello Jenny.

    I can see you are not getting it yet, and I mean no offence because it’s unbelievable I know.

    When you appeal using the GL 24 form, which is the official form that the DWP issue you with, what happens is they reconsider your appeal and almost always they send a letter back saying your appeal has been reconsidered and you are still not entitled to Employment and support allowance.

    So what we have found is that some people are so gullible they actually think their appeal was heard and they have been refused so they just give up, this is a DWP dirty trick because by doing it that way they have found that a certain percentage of people think there is no point in carrying on with the appeal because they think it’s over and so become demoralised become disillusioned.

    So what to do is just do as she says and write and ask them to reconsider and include the new evidence, when you receive the reply that your appeal was reconsidered and you are still not eligible for ESA then that’s when you send them another letter saying you would still like to carry on with the appeal to the first tier tribunal.

    By the way, on no account do you send the new evidence in it’s original form, send a photocopy instead, the DWP have a habit of losing important documents.
    And one last thing, get help from the CAB or the welfare rights, for two reasons the first reason is they can help with problems and the second reason is that you can put down on the appeal form that you have someone to represent you at the appeal, this means the DWP have to correspond with them as well. that is the law.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 20, 2012 @ 5:20 pm

  239. ah ok i understand you now, maybe shall i just fill the appeal form in and also send all my new evidence along with a cover letter asking them to reconsider? you can down load them online cant you? send it all together then i cant go worng then can i??

    Comment by jenny — April 20, 2012 @ 6:23 pm

  240. Deadlines
    You have one month:
    after getting a decision to ask for it to be explained, reconsidered or to appeal
    after getting a reconsidered decision to start an appeal
    A late appeal may be accepted if you have special circumstances that prevented you appealing in time. You cannot appeal if more than 13 months have passed.

    This is what it says on the direct.gov website too

    Comment by jenny — April 20, 2012 @ 6:28 pm

  241. Hellos Jenny.

    Yes you can download a GL 24 form or you can just walk in to any Job centre plus and ask for one.
    As you say, just fill it in as if you are appealing and at the same time write at the bottom that since you are presenting new evidence regarding your fitness to work then could they reconsider etc.
    99% of people find after a couple of weeks they receive a letter saying Sorry but your appeal was reconsidered and we still find you fit for work and therefore you are no longer entitled to ESA, that was the part the nice Lady (Who couldn’t give a toss whether you lived or died by the way) didn’t tell you.
    Let us know what happens in the future Jenny..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 20, 2012 @ 7:01 pm

  242. hi guys will my rent get paid whilst waiting for my appeal? i am on the assesment rate….im going to the cab on monday to ask but in all our positions waiting 2 days is a killer :(

    Comment by heather — April 21, 2012 @ 6:05 pm

  243. Hello Heather.

    The assessment rate is the same as Job seekers allowance and is the same deal so yes you will get your rent and council tax rebate as well.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 7:02 pm

  244. Iv just found this and read the bit on the ‘reconsideration’ bit so I’m thinking I’ll do what that lady says and send it recorded delivery with a statement from myself and the 13 letters I have and diagnosis I was recently given with it too! http://www.dls.org.uk/advice/factsheet/welfare_benefits/employment%20support%20allowance/Employment%20Support%20Allowance%20Appeal%20%20Decisions.pdf

    Comment by Jenny — April 21, 2012 @ 8:37 pm

  245. Hi i’ve just spent the last hour or so reading all your coments and must say they are ALL very helpful
    My husband failed his esa assesment august 2011 and on April11th 2012(on his birthday of all days) had his appeal
    He scored 9 pints at the assessment and 15 at the tribunal and was told on the day that he would be put in the work related group
    Last wednesday i got a phone call telling me i needed an appointment at my local job centre for a back to work interview as my husband claims for me on his esa and i need to attened every 6 months.One week to the day from when he won is tribunal.I made an appointment for yesterday and went to the job centre.
    The irony of it all was this ESA -help woman telling me that it would be easier for me to go back to work than my poorly husband – who i care for but he gets high rate mobility but only low rate care dla so i can’t get carers for him.
    She also said that i have to work 24 hours a week to get working tax credit but if i do work 24 hours a week my husband will lose his esa because if husband/wifes/partners work more than 24 hours a week they are not intitled to esa.How stupid is this new rule
    My husbands condition is complex, i wont bore you with it but i certainly would not be able to go back to work full time
    So if i do go back to work we WILL be worse off and i certainly couldn’t afford to live or pay bills etc
    What this govenment has done for the disabled people of this country is a sham

    Comment by Anonymous — April 21, 2012 @ 10:54 pm

  246. Hello Anonymous.

    Some of the reform laws this Government have brought in are strange indeed, but most of them are to make your/our lives as difficult and awkward as possible.
    If a person is on contributory ESA work related and their partner works and earns £149 or more a week then that person is no longer entitled to ESA and has to rely financially on their partner, how cruel is that ? a person with a serious illness and has paid all their income tax and national insurance all their life and they are not eligible for any kind of state help, just thrown on the scrapheap, even having some money in the bank and no other income can land you in that situation.

    Well the people of this Country have learned a valuable lesson as far as savings go, the lesson is clear, in the future don’t put any money in the bank, get it out because saving money is not encouraged in this Country anymore because it just gets you punished.

    This is the worst Government this Country has ever known, a bunch of hypocrites and criminals, that bastard Osborne can find 10 Billion pounds to give to Europe, he can find that quick enough but they have the audacity to lecture us on how it’s all our fault and then tell us there is no money left ?.

    As for that piece of crap Cameron, swanning around in America with a disabled baby in his arms talking about how his own son was disabled and he knows their suffering, the absolute hypocrisy of the man.

    Your right, it’s all a sham..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 11:14 pm

  247. Hello Jenny.

    And the best of luck, let us know how it goes..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 11:15 pm

  248. my husband worked from the age of 18 until his accident 6 years ago, i worked until i started a family then went back to work part time, We both had very well paid jobs and had a comfortable life, nice home, cars, personal stuff, 2 holidays a year etc.I am not bitter at all about loosing my nice house, cars etc due to these unforseen curcumstanses.WHAT i am bitter about is the fact that because we have to argue/beg/pleed with this government for the pittance we eventually receive to live on has left my husband a bitter/angry/depressive person,yes i know part of this is due to his condition but mostly it is due to the presures of having to constantly fight and they make him feel as if he is lying about his conditions.I also want to know who decides that 2 adults can live off £100 a week? this as you will all know is near impossible
    My name is Annie and i previously posted the anonamous post regarding the 24 hour a week rule
    My parents always taught me that if you had a roof over your head and food in the cuboards then every thing will be fine.I do have a roof over my head and food in the fridge and am thankful for that.
    I have learn’t over the last cupple of years not to take anything for granted and i have stopped getting worked up/angry with the DWP as it does me and my family no good at all, my husband does enough of that thank you.
    On another note have any of you heard about We are Spartacus it is a blogg about the welfare reforms and is of good reading, also there is a woman called Pat Onions who has set up an E-PETITON to try and stop the government from changing DLA, she needs 100,000 signatures by 30th April and as of today she only has 35,000 so please go to the
    WWW. we are spartacus.org.uk website and follow the link to sign the e-petition.Don’t think the petition will do any good(governments don’t change their minds) but for the sake of 2 mins of your your time it’s worth a go
    Thanks for readling

    Comment by Anonymous — April 22, 2012 @ 8:56 am

  249. Hello Anne.

    You and your husband have every right to be angry, you’ve played the game paid your national insurance and council tax and worked for what you had, only for these criminals to just take it of you because they can.
    Yes we know about Spartacus and we know about their report and good work, wish there was more people like that, we also know about Pat Onions and her e-petition just about everyone here on our forum http://www.dwpexamination.org has signed it.
    We have been battling this tyranny for over three years and we are never going to give up until we get justice, just wish others would get of there asses and help us, only that way can we win.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 22, 2012 @ 9:50 am

  250. I am new to this site so hello everyone my name is steve, I hear a lot about appeal appeal and while I understand that if we dont fight they will run over us, let me please tell you my wife and myself recent appeal experience, my wife suffers with rhumatoid arthritis and ostio arthritus and has done so for 25 years but has never claimed untill 2years ago because she wanted to feel normal anyway she has diabetus diet controlled, high blood pressure low blood pressure she has very poor mobility and she is epileptic, she takes ten tablets in the morning and 7 tablets at night. I would love to give you fuller detail but you would be reading a book, the doc came to see her and he was trying to get her to do things we had said she couldnt do and would cause her great pain later this was annoying him and he ordered me out the room, as he was leaving he told me we would et something but he did not know what it would be. it was a new experience and we discussed between us his rudeness and left it at that.the letter that came said refused as she has normal use of movement, my wife was in tears and I was angry. the appeal eventually came and we had to travel to hull from brigg lincolnshire and after keeping us waiting for an hour they recieved us and adjourned it for further investigation.
    we eventually got an appeal and it was a different panel and after a very stressfull cross examination we neared the end I must add that the one who was representing the care sector gave us the most difficult time, when we where called back in I had to go in alone as it had got to much for her the majistrate told me she was being awarded high mobility and low rate care but advised me to apply for a higher rate of care based on her memory loss whiched has got dramatically worse since the first claim had gone in. as time went on my wife got worse she would not know where she was or what she was supposed to be doing, so I remembered what the judge had said and decided to try and get her a carer. it was turned down as she did not need constant care and was not in danger of blacking out ( what is an epileptic seizure if not blacking out she hits the floor ets) so we appealed but we diddnt know that that meant you have to reapply for everything all over again. we decided to go ahead with it and we arrived at the appeal and who was on the panel the magistrate from hull who adjourned us and yes the doctor who had come out to the house,
    the majistrate said I cant uderstand how you got this much in the first place as the doctor passed her fit he further said we will adjourn this to look further into this as we dont even know if she even has epilepsy, while my wife sobbed my mind went to her seizures in shops and market squares how I had to bury her face into my shoulder so people wouldnt her her lose the power of speach and all the while this doctor kept glearing hard at me I thought my god this is a whitch hunt, the judge said to us I must warn you that this could mean you will lose everthing, and that was it, or so I thought but when we got outside the clerk took out a form and she said to us you do understand what he said to you in there you are gambling your existin DLA I said gambling gambling my god madam thats disgusting this is my wifes brain and physical disabilities where talking about here, she answered I am only telling you how it is, to which my wife said I cant do this anymore I cant fight to show how ill I am anymore I dont want to be called a liar anymore so I turned to the clerk and said well done all of you if you wanted to scare her off you have suceeded that was our experience she did have a bad seizure an hour later please dont let this put people off fighting please fight I just wanted to tell our story of how we where bullied and had to back off because of my wifes health and yes the fear of losing her mobility car and electric swivel chair to help her in and out of the veichle sorry it ended up being so long, steve.

    Comment by steve and eileen — April 25, 2012 @ 2:19 am

  251. Hello Steve and Eileen.

    This is an absolute disgrace, your story just makes me even more angry than I already am, I too have had a bad experience with the tribunals, while most are fair there are some real bastards in there with a Tory agenda, I know Steve because I have been up against them and lost an appeal before.
    When we say appeal Steve we mean appeal when you have nothing to lose, because they do have the power to take away and have the power to give.

    If you asked us we would have tipped you off, but it’s rare for this to happen.

    We advocate appealing because just about everyone has nothing to lose as I said, and because they can’t take what you haven’t got, but you did have something to take and they played on it and it was real bad luck that you got the panel you did, I’ve always said that the tribunal service is not as impartial as they make out, but Steve appealing when you have nothing is our only chance, if you already have DLA I would have advised you to accept what you have because it’s possible you could lose and they can reverse a judgement, I know Steve it’s absolute madness.

    So if a person has been granted ESA but the work related and they want to get in the support group then I always say to people make sure you really deserve the support group and understand that if they so wish then they can not only deny you the support group but they can deny you ESA altogether, and not a lot of people know that idiotic rule.

    At the moment a lot of people are losing contributory ESA because they are in the work related, it’s starts now the end of April and is retrospective, and the DWP and ATOS are playing on it and deliberately finding them unfit for work, and allowing them ESA, the claimant is jumping for joy but they don’t realise that because it’s the work related variety of ESA then very shortly they will receive a letter saying they are no longer entitled to ESA, but might have been entitled to ESA if they had appealed to be in the support group, because the new rule does not apply if you are in the support group, so they are the two main reasons to appeal.

    Not when you already have something Steve, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THEY CAN TAKE IT AWAY, you made the right decision when you dropped it because you were being warned and threatened by this panel, this is nothing short of outright Bullying, it’s also a disgrace they have ATOS Doctors on there as well, you should write a letter of complaint to the upper tribunal and explain that ATOS Drs on these panels are a serious conflict of interest, and is just another thing we are fighting now you know what we are up against Steve because you have just experienced the appeal system at it’s worst.

    But before you do anything you should contact welfare rights and get serious advice on this, they will know what to do and give you the best advice, don’t face these bastards alone Steve get help..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 25, 2012 @ 6:25 am

  252. hi dwpexamination, first of all thank you for your support and encouraging words and also for enlightening us with this information I must mention that when we got home from the court I rang dla up and told them what happened, the young man on the other end of the phone said this shouldnt have happened and the clerk was wrong to say thishe said he would write a report in the meantime I stopped the appeal by letter as they asked, 3 days later a letter came from dla saying appeal was cancelled and where sorry you had a bad experience it concluded with if you would like to use our service again please contact on the number given in this letter, the point is my wife still needs care help and I have got to look to one of the charities so thats that. we where wondering if you could advise us on another matter, my medical put me in the work related group for employment support allowance and the advisor at the job centre wants me to go for the care rate that my wife has been refused I am off work with a back injury the advisor insists that I wont lose my high mobility even after I told her our experience I am on 2 antidepresent tablets a day and this is really worrying me can she make me do this and on what grounds can I refuse so they dont stop my benefit can you advise us please.steve and eileen.

    Comment by steve and eileen — April 25, 2012 @ 1:47 pm

  253. Hello Steve.

    The person to listen to is a welfare rights officer, they have special training and are on your side, between you and I let’s just say I don’t believe the DWP advisors have your/our best interests at heart, I just don’t trust them, they have proven time and time again they are interested in figures and money saving and have no interests in us whatsoever, of course there must be some that are ok, I just haven’t heard of any, all I see and hear is DWP officials stitching people up right left and centre, now no one can trust them, they’ve brought it on themselves and have stored up serious problems of trust in the future in their zeal to impress the Government.

    There has to be a welfare rights office near you ? there’s plenty in every big City, all you need to do is look up the phone book and ask if they can help with your problem/s because you have more than one, the experience you had has made you upset and no wonder, and you or anyone shouldn’t have to go through this nonsense.

    Your first problem is seeing what you can do about your wifes situation, then you have some serious complaints to make, then you need to deal with your own problem, I know you don’t feel up to it, but try and make the effort as time goes by you will be glad you did, and don’t delay Steve get cracking and get your rights.

    As for the Clerk, well it’s extremely unusual for these pen pushers to say anything, I wonder what the motive was ? was he/she trying to help by warning what could happen if you go head to head with this particular panel ? or was he/she part of their cabal ?. Only you could have an idea.

    Then we have this miscreant of a DR, nothing but a criminal as far as I’m concerned, he had assessed your wife then he’s on a panel judging your wife and evaluating if she has the right to benefits he has already denied her ? NO NO NO, that is not right, that needs to be reported, as soon as possible, it’s an absolute disgrace that a DR from ATOS can assess someone then sit on one of these panels judging the person they failed, it beggars belief and as far as I’m concerned is borderline criminality.

    Please don’t let them get away with this Steve, as I said the welfare rights can help you..!!

    I remember there was an incapacity benefit case around three years ago, a man was on one of these panels and he recognised that the DR had already assessed him in the past (But the DR didn’t recognise him) and was now on the appeal panel assessing him again of course his appeal was denied, so he appealed to the second tier and used the fact that the DR shouldn’t have been on the panel in the first place and it was a miscarriage of justice, the upper court agreed and he got a new panel to look at his case and he won.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 25, 2012 @ 2:28 pm

  254. thank you very much for your advise my wife and I thank you I will act tomorrow I am so glad I stumbled onto this site we dont feel alone in our plight now thank you kindly steve and eileen.

    Comment by steve and eileen — April 25, 2012 @ 2:38 pm

  255. Hi
    right first of all id like to apologise and say you were right about not writing a reconsideration letter like the lady in the benefits office told me to when she called me about the decision…..i called monday (esa helpline) to clarify a few things and aasked who i address the reconsideration letter to she said ‘you dont write one of those you need to do it through the appeal form then it will automatically get a reconsideration, you wont get paid the assessment rate if you just send a letter in’ so im doing that now, but i received the actual letter today from the so called ‘decision maker’ couldn’t believe what i was reading to be honest, from what it sounds like the ‘healthcare professional’ i went to see for my medical must have done me a good report but they (decision maker) havent followed anything the ‘healthcare professional’ has told them…..even on the decision makers letter he/she has put ‘the healthcare professional reported that observations and examination suggest a significant disability with lower limb function’ and ‘has pain and weakness in her left upper limb which would likely to restrict her from using a wheel chair’ but i only got 12 points…6 of which was standing or sitting which it says im able to sit for longer than 30 min but no longer than an hour which is tottally not the case…..20 minute at a push, can only stand for 15 minutes then have to sit down and 6 points on being able to walk over 100m but no more than 200 metres which is not the case again, can manage about 40m. but i was never asked anything like that in the medical but if he/she had put i can walk 100 metres and thats it i would have scored that extra 3 points to get the 15 points!! makes me sick how they are so sneaky. so im am waiting on the appeal letter to come though and really hoping i dont have to appeal. i think its disgusting!! any advice would be appreciated.

    Comment by jenny — April 25, 2012 @ 5:44 pm

  256. Hello Steve and Eileen.

    Steve could you pick a username and log in to the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org because lots of folk are interested in your plight they have advice to offer if you feel up to reading it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 25, 2012 @ 5:48 pm

  257. Hello Jenny.

    At least when you attend the appeal the ATOS Dr has gave you some support, that’s unusual and will help you get ESA.

    By the way you don’t need to apologise, you are just doing what I did, which is finding out the hard way, now you know that the DWP do not act in your best interest, they are acting for the Government.

    So the sooner they re-consider the better, then you can get your assessment rate. Do you see what the re-consideration nonsense is all about now ? remarkable isn’t it, it’s a ploy to slow up paying you and gain them more time, since they re-consider automatically anyway then you have nothing to lose by writing a straight appeal and even mentioning that you do not wish a re-consideration, they will still kid you on they have re-considered it and send you a letter saying your appeal has failed, don’t worry that’s normal, you just send a letter and say ”Thanks for your re-consideration but I would still like to carry on with the appeal”

    , I once put on a similar letter, they were not amused and couldn’t see the humour.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 25, 2012 @ 6:10 pm

  258. Brilliant!!
    So I’ve pre written a reconsideration letter which I’ll change to a appeal letter which I’ll send with the appeal form when I get it but I just want to check I’ve started it off in the right way, haven’t a clue who to address it to so I’ve put …..to whom it may concern, I’m writing to appeal against the decision you made regarding my ESA claim’ and then I carry on. Where do I put in the form/ letter about being paid the assessment rate?

    Comment by Jenny — April 25, 2012 @ 6:37 pm

  259. Hello Jenny.

    Just write on the GL24 form : Dear Sir/Madam. I wish to appeal against your decision to find me fit for work, I believe I have proved my fitness for work is seriously limited, you can say you have proved it at the ATOS assessment and your GPs (Consultants) report and so on and so on and at the very bottom you can say ‘I wish to be paid the assessment rate while I wait for my appeal to be heard.
    What you are writing is good as well, but you don’t really need to write a letter Jenny, just attache A4 paper to the GL24 form describing why you are not fit for work and number and use the descriptors as the reasons etc, that’s the descriptors that apply to you, don’t forget to number each page and put your National insurance number on each page as well, the DWP have got a habit of losing documents etc.
    Take your time, but you only have a month so don’t miss the deadline because they can mess you around if you do..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 25, 2012 @ 6:59 pm

  260. Jenny…Don’t forget to ask them for a copy of the ESA 85 assessment report if you haven’t already done so, I think you did mention it, but I thought I should remind you just in case, and also don’t forget to visit the forum for as much help as you need, just think of a username and log in http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 25, 2012 @ 7:05 pm

  261. Sorry which is the ESA 85? The medical? I have requested it so should be here in a day or so!

    Comment by Jenny — April 25, 2012 @ 7:17 pm

  262. Ahh I’ve got a big letter explaining everything in detail, I wouldn’t know how to shorten it without missing points! I’ve also got 13 letters to send too!

    Comment by Jenny — April 25, 2012 @ 7:22 pm

  263. Hello Jenny.

    The ESA 85 is not a letter, it’s a report on your health and supposedly how it affects your ability to work, that the ATOS HCP was typing in to their computer, it gets sent to the DWP and the decision maker is supposed to use that to decide whether you are entitled to sickness benefits or not.
    You can request it from the DWP, and they have to send you a copy, but they usually stall as for as long as they can, the reason they do that is to make it as difficult as possible for you to compose your appeal, because if you don’t see the ESA 85 then you don’t know what you are appealing against, on the other hand if you don’t get your appeal in because they never sent you it on time then that is according to them no excuse and you usually find they create for you more hassle and mayhem, then you have to appeal against that, so as I said don’t wait too long, it’s best to get the appeal in and later on you can send on the rest if you have missed anything.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 25, 2012 @ 8:02 pm

  264. Ahh ok brill, I think I’ll ring the ESA helpline and just check that I did ask for the ESA85 and the GL24…piece of mind. I’ve changed the letter I have wrote into bullet points rather than letter form. I’ll be glad when this is all over but I also received a letter from the DLA saying I am untitled to that, I only sent it off a week ago!! I put at a push I can only walk 40 meters on the letter I received today it says you can walk over 50 metres so I haven’t a clue what’s gone on there……I will be appealing that as well but more important is this ESA first. Thanks so much for your help!!

    Comment by Jenny — April 25, 2012 @ 8:38 pm

  265. Hi steve and eileen here, we couldnt get on the forum for some reason but we have signed up for the wordpress blog with username steveandeileen so I hope we can recieve the comments you mentioned in your message many thanks steve and eileen.

    Comment by steve and eileen — April 26, 2012 @ 3:05 pm

  266. Hello Steve and Eileen.

    Right at this moment apparently there seems to be a technical problem, which is stopping new people logging in, the technical advisor (Holmey) has been informed, and he is on to it at this very moment, try tomorrow Steve.
    By the way I copied and pasted your post on to the general discussion page of the forum, I hope you can answer the comments you received when you can get on, there’s some good information on there from people who have been through the mill with the DWP, these people are just like yourself and are rapidly becoming DWP/ATOS experts.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 26, 2012 @ 3:36 pm

  267. I have just received a copy of my ATOS medical (had to ask for this 4 times mind you) and as I suspected, and confirmed today by my MP, the points system is no longer in operation, the examiner purely lists their ‘recommendations’ under Prognosis and then its in the hands of the Decision Makers! I suppose that I was lucky and am remaining in the WRAG group but I am appealing again so the chances of being in the Support Group are now negligible. Does anybody have any more information on this ‘new medical questionnaire’?

    Comment by Gail — April 27, 2012 @ 12:33 pm

  268. Hello Gail.

    Thanks for letting us know that, so they don’t use a points system now, it’s down to the examiners ‘recommendations’ and a decision maker decides the rest ? interesting because I received a letter that I wasn’t entitled to ESA ‘This is because I didn’t receive any points’ according to them, I’m still waiting for my ESA 85, and they have been delaying it so far, where as in the past I personally had no problems getting an ESA 85.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 27, 2012 @ 1:44 pm

  269. I still haven’t received me esa85 after calling Monday and requesting it, she said leave it a week then call back if it’s not there by Tuesday so that’s what I shall do but have to send my appeal form back do it better come soon!!

    Are you allowed to put photo evidence in with the appeal for example what my foot looks like after standing or walking on it??

    Comment by Jenny — April 27, 2012 @ 3:06 pm

  270. They system works on points even PIP is going to work on the award of points! IMHO they are BSing you. IMHO the best way of getting the ESA85 is a subject Access Request specifically asking for that and a copy of the score sheet. They ignored a request by me twice the third was an SAR for all the info they had, although this was a few years ago they knew they had been beaten even if they tried to leave the ESA85 out of the large collection of papers, I still got the ESA85 within the 40 days from them receiving the request. The DWP tactics is to say they haven’t received it yet and then say it will take 6 to 8 weeks, strange how with my second request they said the same not received and 6 to 8 weeks even though they had confirmed in writting that I was in the WRAG group, never did let on that I already knew the outcome.

    Comment by wildthing666 — April 27, 2012 @ 3:25 pm

  271. Hello Jenny.

    You can still send in your GL24 appeal form, after all it’s not your fault they have neglected to send you the ESA 85, you can write that you wish to appeal etc and also write that since you don’t have all the evidence because they haven’t forwarded you the ESA 85 then please don’t treat this as my main appeal, the rest will follow shortly when I receive my ESA 85 and I can form an opinion on what I’m appealing against.

    You can also let them know at the bottom that you would like to be paid at the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard.

    I’m going to have to do that myself it seems, because they haven’t sent me my ESA 85 or a GL 24 so it looks as if I will have to go to the Job centre and get one (GL24) and get cracking with the appeal because they will blame me if it’s not in on time, and that’s only a month, even though it’s their fault for not supplying the evidence I need to compose the appeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 27, 2012 @ 3:28 pm

  272. Ah right ok, so if I send my appeal can they reconsider it in the 4 weeks or do they have to wait 4 weeks and then look at it? Because what if I send it in and they send me a new decision before I get to send more evidence?

    Comment by Jenny — April 27, 2012 @ 6:04 pm

  273. Hello Jenny.

    When you send in your appeal they always claim they have reconsidered it even if you tell them not to reconsider it, basically it means they have a quick look to see if you have written anything they don’t like the look off, if they see your appeal is harmless to them then you get a letter back around three or four weeks later saying your appeal was reconsidered and you have failed, please go and sign on etc, meanwhile they haven’t paid you the assessment rate and they know you could do with some money, so they hope you are so desperate enough to want to get some that you rush out to sign on, this is music to their ears because they can say YES WE HAVE CAUGHT ANOTHER SCROUNGER.

    Now let’s look at an appeal that they consider to be dangerous, this could be an appeal where the person is so ill that to disallow their appeal makes them look real stupid (Not that looking stupid has ever bothered them), then that person may get a letter saying they have been granted ESA and the work related group rather than the support group which they may deserve.

    If you get a new decision (A decision you don’t like the look off) before they send you evidence (ESA 85) then as usual, you send them a letter and you say Thank you for your decision/reconsideration, could you please forward me the ESA 85 I requested on such and such a date because I wish to carry on with my appeal to the first tier tribunal etc and need to gather more evidence by studying the ESA 85 in great detail.

    They will concede nothing, if you deserve the support group of ESA they may offer the WRAG ESA and hope you don’t appeal. If you deserve the WRAG group of ESA they will tell you to go eat chop suey, that means just sign on, as I said they will give you nothing, everything you get you have to fight tooth and nail for, because they fight tooth and nail to stop you getting anything.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 27, 2012 @ 10:57 pm

  274. So does this mean I won’t get my assessment rate money back up and running for another 4 weeks until they let me know that they have looked at it or should I still be being paid it from now onwards. Shall I call them mid week once they receive my appeal form? Oh god I hope I start getting my payments up And running before the 18th, worries the hell out of me all this!

    Comment by Jenny — April 28, 2012 @ 7:53 pm

  275. Hello Jenny.

    The sooner you submit your appeal and the sooner you furnish them with a sicknote the sooner they will pay you the assessment rate, whether you get paid within a month or two months or even more will depend on them, we are at their mercy.
    I started my appeal by letter on the 16th of this month, I requested a GL24 form and also requested my ESA 85 I also attached a sicknote, today 12 days later a letter from the DWP has arrived, they have acknowledged I am appealing and granted the assessment rate, they also asked me to send in any evidence before they re-consider my appeal, if they are satisfied then they will not forward my appeal but grant me ESA, of course they will do no such thing, in a month I will receive another letter saying my appeal has failed etc, they obviously think my head buttons up the back, there was nothing regarding an ESA 85 or a GL24 appeal form it wasn’t even mentioned, it’s easy to see that they don’t want me to have the ESA 85 they don’t want me to see it, or they can’t be bothered to make one up, probably both.

    So I have prepared another letter and acknowledged and accepted that my appeal is in motion, so could they please send me the ESA 85 in order for me to study it in great detail before I compose the rest of my appeal.

    Whether they delay my assessment rate by two months, three months, four months or any amount of months is of no consequence to me, they will send me the ESA 85 first, I’m not asking them I’m telling them..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 28, 2012 @ 8:48 pm

  276. I sent my appeal yesterday!! Recorded delivery costing a massive £2.50 but peace of mind knowing they have received it! Now I have to sit and wait patiently for my ESA85 to turn up! I have put in my appeal letter for them to please get it to me so we will see how long it takes!

    Comment by Jenny — May 1, 2012 @ 8:25 pm

  277. Hello Jenny.

    It’s an absolute disgrace that you had to get your appeal in before they have sent your ESA 85 on to you, it is deliberate in my opinion, they just don’t want us to see it before we appeal, it’s unlawful, how in the hell can we form an appeal submission without knowing fully what we are appealing against, it’s another scandal, the DWP are nothing but criminals as far as I’m concerned, they know what they are doing is wrong, they should be ashamed of themselves.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 1, 2012 @ 9:23 pm

  278. If you think about it you can use the SAR route to get your ESA85 and score sheet. Just wait 6 days then post the SAR requesting the ESA85 & score sheet, they will send a letter acknowledging receipt of the request 7 days later they then have 40 days to send you what is requested, this should be the 8 weeks the use as the standard phrase when the person phones up and asks for the copy. It certainly gets you a copy of the ESA85 and score sheet as they don’t wantt o breech the DPA. And the request in writting and copied can prove what is asked for.

    Comment by wildthing666 — May 1, 2012 @ 9:50 pm

  279. It is disgusting, they will now have it down on the appeal form and on the letter I sent requesting it for the 3rd time. If its not here by Friday I will call again! I only have 20 days left before my 4 weeks is up. I put on the letter with my appeal form ‘please send me tbe esa85 as i have eequested this on 2 occaisions already and seeing as you have failed to forward me this don’t take this as my main appeal’ I reaaaalllyyy want to see this esa85!! It’s annoying me now!

    Comment by Jenny — May 1, 2012 @ 9:59 pm

  280. Jenny.

    If they have already sent you a letter acknowledging your appeal then the wait for the ESA 85 is not so important because they cannot say you did not make the deadline for submitting the appeal.
    The rest of your appeal can follow later when you receive the ESA 85, don’t forget they must send it by law, they must give you an idea what you are appealing against, but we suspect they are deliberately holding back the release of the ESA 85s because it’s making things to easy for us in their opinion to appeal and win.
    I’m in the same boat as you, I have formed the first part of my appeal they have acknowledged this by accepting it is my appeal and they have also accepted that they have my sicknote because they say they will pay me the assessment rate, they never pay the assessment rate until they have the appeal and the sicknote, so as I said it’s a waiting game until they decide to comply with the law and send me on the functional assessment report so I can study and therefore see what in the hell I am appealing against.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 2, 2012 @ 9:03 am

  281. I think I’m still covered with my previous sick note i sent so that should be ok shouldn’t it? I’ll be collecting a new one at the end of the week. So I will call them Friday and give them a few days to have read my appeal and see that I want to be paid assess rate and ask then when it will start! I am going to appeal my dla next week, doctor is doing me a letter of support this week but can I state that I have had a medical with atos and tell them what the doctor said (that’s if it’s a good report) or even send them a copy of the report esa85? Because they use atos as well don’t they?

    Comment by Jenny — May 2, 2012 @ 9:30 am

  282. Iv just called the ESA office to ask what date my sick note runs out on……..I asked about the ESA 85 and she said once they receive your gl24 which they did yesterday as I can see the tracking on royal mail they will then send it out!? How does that make sense!! Your right about them not wanting you to see it before you write your appeal!!

    Comment by Jenny — May 2, 2012 @ 9:44 am

  283. Hello Jenny.

    Yes you will be covered until it runs out, they used to inform us when it runs out but sometimes they are not doing that now, and if you ask them why they didn’t send a reminder the answer will be ‘Because it’s your own responsibility to remember when it runs out” so when you see your GP he/she will know when it runs out and give the note running from the correct date.
    When you send the note it’s best to write a short letter attache the sicknote and say something like ‘I understand my sicknote runs out on such and such a date, please find attached one sicknote to run from the (Insert date) in the future I would be much obliged if you would send me a reminder along with a return addressed envelope.
    When you appeal for your DLA you can use a copy of the same evidence from your GP in your appeal, a visit to the nearest CAB office by appointment would be a good idea Jenny, they can help in ways you wouldn’t believe, you may have to wait for an appointment because they are busy, but if you get there it will be worth it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 2, 2012 @ 10:04 am

  284. Yes think that’s what I’ll do with Cab I have been waiting since beginning of April for an ap to fill the dla form in but I sent it in the end but the appointment should come through soon do I’ll use that for my appeal, that’s if it comes through in time! Thanks for everything! Will keep you posted on what happens next!

    Comment by Jenny — May 2, 2012 @ 11:47 am

  285. Cheers Jenny let us know how you get on..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 2, 2012 @ 12:12 pm

  286. 3 days after them receiving my GL24 my payments are already up and running again……slight sigh of relief!

    Comment by Jenny — May 4, 2012 @ 9:14 am

  287. Hi Jenny.

    Same here, they have been told that once an appeal is sent in (Live) along with a sicknote, then there should be no reason to do what they have been doing in the past and delay the assessment rate. From now on hopefully they will comply with the law and start paying people when the appeal and sicknote is in their hands.
    We have a new problem though, which is the delay of the ESA 85 assessment report, we don’t want to swap the delay of our right to know what we are appealing against for our right to be paid the assessment rate, we demand them both, that’s the assessment rate as soon as possible and the ESA 85 assessment report as soon as possible, anything short is unacceptable.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 4, 2012 @ 9:30 am

  288. Well I have been informed today that it was ‘noted’ on the system yesterday that it has been issued to me but that could take up to a week seeing as its only second class!! They all talk through their arses!!

    Comment by Jenny — May 4, 2012 @ 12:34 pm

  289. Recieved my esa85 today…….the so called ‘health professional’ has kind of given me a good report but very much contradicted himself in it, for example he ticked the box saying I can sit in one place for Over half an hour but in the report at the end he says I struggled to sit for the interview which is true as i can only sit 20 mins max! But if he had ticked the box saying I can not sit longer than a half hour I would of scored the extra 3 points to get the 15. He also ticked the box saying I can walk over 100 metres which is definitely not the case but says himself I suffer with a significant lower limb disability and would be unable to use a wheel chair due to the problems in my arms. So iv font my 2nd letter to send off tomorrow! You can win either way really because what ever the case they will just tick what ever suits them! I was never asked about how far I can walk or how long I can sit. 20 minutes into the medical I was able to get up and move around to ease pain in my hips but did have to use the support of his desk when getting up and walking which he has even recOgnised and stated in his report do how he can say I can walk upto 200 metres is beyond me!

    Comment by Jenny — May 10, 2012 @ 8:17 pm

  290. Done*. Cant* not can sorry on my iPhone, pretty rubbish at typing

    Comment by Jenny — May 10, 2012 @ 8:20 pm

  291. Hello Jenny.

    They are contradicting themselves constantly, that’s just one of the reasons people are winning appeals, sloppy assessment reports with contradictions left right and centre.

    You will of course politely point them all out on your appeal submission, all this will be noted by the panel, especially if you mention each contradiction one by one. I recommend to take your time and write nothing on the GL24 form for a couple of days, and keep looking at the ESA 85 assessment report, the more you look the more anomalies will just pop out at you. Just make sure you don’t go over the strict monthly timelimit.

    ATOS don’t care what there assessment reports look like, because they will never be challenged for their poor work, they will be challenged though if they don’t meet their quota, you see what I’m saying, the figures are everything and must be reduced by hook or by crook.

    By the way, don’t forget to send the DWP a sicknote from the date you were found fit for work (not the date of the assessment) as well as the appeal, and don’t forget either to mention you would like to be paid the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard, if you don’t then they will pay you nothing.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 10, 2012 @ 8:49 pm

  292. Sent my GL24 off over a week ago along with a letter explaining why I am appealing but also put on the letter Seeing as I haven’t received the report from my medical do not take this letter as my main appeal. So iv done my main appeal letter today and also got a drs letter of support to send with it too. I also sent 11 letters to and from my consultants the same time I sent the Gl24. My pay rather quickly started again 2 days after them receiving my gl24 and my previous sicnote that was issued end of march didn’t run out till the 7th may do they said they will use that as its still in date! Do you have any idea how long the wait will be before they reconsider it?

    Comment by Jenny — May 10, 2012 @ 8:59 pm

  293. Hi Jenny.

    Once they have paid you and conceded they have paid you in writing then this means they have accepted you are appealing and accepted and acknowledged your sicknote,, because as I said they pay nothing until they have them both.

    A reconsideration can take a week or it can take 6 weeks, it all depends on factors outside your control, but since you have sent them 11 letters from your consultants then it’s unlikely they will use the delaying tactic of asking for any new evidence before they reconsider your appeal, so one of two things will happen now, they can send your appeal on to the tribunal or they can say they have reconsidered and you are entitled to ESA, the first is the more likely.

    The DWP have changed their strategy, at one time getting paid the assessment rate was haphazard, it was taking over four months sometimes, this was pointed out to the DWP by Glenda Jackson from the work and pensions committee, she remarked that some people were placed in severe financial difficulties when they appeal, and she added it seems to me payment is delayed is this is some kind of punishment for appealing ?.

    The DWP spokeswoman replied it wasn’t punishment (believe that if you like) but they could do better and the usual lessons have been learned etc, and it seems they really have taken it on board, well not the DWP themselves but Chris Grayling has taken it on board and issued instructions to start paying without any delays as soon as the claimant has met the conditions, that’s the reason (And not because the DWP have all of a sudden become nice people) why they are keeping your/our payments linked as long as you/we send the sicknote and the GL24 form in and is the reason why I recommend people do not wait for months for the ESA85, but compose the start of the appeal and tell them the rest will follow later when the ESA85 finally arrives.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 11, 2012 @ 6:23 am

  294. hi dwp and thanks for the site
    just wanted to know if you agree that the pressure from sites like this is beginning to take effect?
    I wont bore you with my life story but maybe my experience with ATOS will give some people a glimmer of hope………..After working for 30 yrs and doing the ‘right’ things like putting kids thru uni etc i began to feel ill and the upshot was i lost my driving licence something i needed for my job. While visiting hosp on several occasions to try to find what was wrong with me, i decided for the first time i needed help so applied for ESA……..I went for dreaded WCA last year, the ‘doctor’ who could barely speak english hardly looked at me as he typed away and of course i was awarded 0 points, after appeal was denied i took it too tribunal and after 9 long stressful months i was put in wrag group with 18 points……….A few months later yes you guessed it, it started again, i wasn’t sure if i could cope with it all again so even up to the day of my 2nd WCA (was on fri 13th too ha ha) i was 50/50 on whether or not to accept defeat, but went anyway……. this time it was a female nurse she seemed nice and listened to me, but we all know that can mean nothing. She cut the test short and there was no physical, so i trawled the net too see if that was a good thing and it seemed that it may well be, coming from other people it had happened to.I was hopeful but fearing the worst…….3 weeks later the dreaded brown envelope dropped thru the door and i edged slowly down the page, i thought it was a mistake they was telling me my money was going up, so read again and i had been placed in the support group, unbelievable……… The thing is that i have exactly the same problems that i had when i was awarded 0 points a year before, so my question is, are the reforms by harrington and the pressure from sites like yours working?……..I noticed that some sites are saying that the figures for people being placed into the support group have risen from about 7% to 27% in the last couple of years.

    Also conversely do you think that the fact the ATOS professionals report was obvs the reason i was placed in the support group it will make my claim for DLA more likely to succeed? After all they use bad ones to stop you getting it….. …I’m very wary of taking another medical for DLA having just 1 for ESA and am in 2 minds about sending the forms back.

    Carry on the good work

    Comment by Paul — May 14, 2012 @ 7:56 pm

  295. Hello Paul.

    It’s remarkable the progress sites like this and others http://www.dwpexamination.org have made over the last three years, your right more people seem to be getting the support group, but still a hell of a lot of deserving cases have been refused, and ATOS are still fabricating medical assessments and denying vulnerable people their rights, so the fight goes on, and it will go on, there’s no rhyme nor reason with these people so whether the ATOS report will help your DLA or not is in the lap of the gods.

    So ATOS must go, and go as soon as possible, they are a shower of criminals and between them and the DWP over the last three years have driven people to suicide and caused a lot of grief.

    We have come to bury ATOS not to praise them..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 14, 2012 @ 9:25 pm

  296. hi;dd anything how long does it take for them to reconcider you for support group from wrag; i appealled after seeking advice through cab/ ive got a welfare rights spokesperson to actively help me and i got a reply back saying thry would reconsider; hopefully in my favour if not they would send the appropriate forms for an appeal;that was way back in march 22tnd not heardayhank younything yet very tired fibro sufferef lol

    Comment by dee — May 15, 2012 @ 2:14 am

  297. Hello Dee.

    When the DWP reconsider an appeal they don’t have a set time (How longs a piece of string ?) the decision is reconsidered when the mindless drone decides to get their finger out, but a reasonable estimate is around six weeks. Time doesn’t mean anything to them, and dealing with the DWP demands the patience of a saint.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 15, 2012 @ 6:19 am

  298. Hello,
    I still haven’t received a letter of acknowledgement regarding my appeal, it’s been 2 weeks now. My payments are up and running again though, they started back up on the 4th may. Do I call them or just wait to hear from them?

    Comment by Jenny — May 15, 2012 @ 8:02 am

  299. Hello Jenny.

    If your payments are on the go then this means they have your GL24 appeal submission and also means they must have your sicknote because the DWP never pay you until they receive both.
    A letter of acknowledgement can arrive anytime now but could even take another couple of weeks, so as I keep saying you need to try and be patient (No pun intended) the main thing is they are paying you.
    At one time they wouldn’t pay you even though they had your appeal and sicknote, but word has come down recently from the top to start the paying process as soon as they (That’s us) have shown they are appealing and have sent in the sicknote.
    They haven’t just started paying because all of a sudden they have become nice people, the work and pensions committee and the Harrington report has pointed out the hardship people are experiencing and Chris Grayling has been forced to do something.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 15, 2012 @ 8:30 am

  300. hello,
    You say to not forget to mention on the appeal submission (That’s the GL 24 Part) that you wish to be paid at the assessment rate, otherwise they will not mention it, and you will be left without money.
    Is the assessment rate the same as Incapacity benefit? I am just sending off my appeal and would like to know, do I put assessment rate on my form, or should I put incapacity benefit?

    Comment by sonja — May 15, 2012 @ 4:25 pm

  301. Hello Sonja.

    The assessment rate is the ESA without the work related component, you are appealing for ESA are you not ?.
    Everyone is being transferred over to ESA from IB so I guess you should be appealing to get ESA.

    So you put on the GL appeal form that you would like to be paid the assessment rate – you don’t need to mention ESA or IB - whilst waiting for the appeal to be heard.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 15, 2012 @ 4:41 pm

  302. I was not sure if I was still fighting for IB as I am currently on it. So I am now fighting to go on ESA instead? Thanks for your help.

    Comment by sonja — May 15, 2012 @ 5:00 pm

  303. hello dwp examination ; thank you for your feed back its good to know im not alone in my ongoing battle with the natziz dwp lol good look everyone with your onging slogs in this crazy worldwind of benefit system we have ? speak later. bye 4 now DEE.

    Comment by dee — May 15, 2012 @ 10:21 pm

  304. You’ll never appeal alone Dee…LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 16, 2012 @ 5:34 am

  305. hi
    my appeal is this week i only got nine points for not being able to walk more than 100m. but since my medical things have changed. i was seen by an o.t and and thay had a chairlift put in for me. do i get points for that and gan i ask for another medical to point out changes.

    Comment by paul — May 27, 2012 @ 1:45 pm

  306. Hello and thank you for showing how it work

    Comment by Sukina — June 7, 2012 @ 8:15 pm

  307. I got my result today and got zero points.
    On checking it they said from ‘previous history’ i can watch tv, walk, go shopping etc
    Virtually nothing about the ‘medical’ i supposidaly got from them!
    I have phoned, after trying to get through for 30 mins and requested an appeal form and asked for my medical reprt but she was a bit vague about if i will get it. Can i demand a copy?
    They never even looked at a copy of my monthly prescription or asked many questions they claim to have done.
    I also asked about getting money while i appealed and she said that would be done once they got my appeal form plus sick note from my own doctor. How long should the sick note be for as i have not worked for years due to my rheumatoid arthritus and sciatica.
    I also have alcohol misuse as well as depression and anxiety.

    Comment by davscot — June 8, 2012 @ 3:13 pm

  308. Hello Davscot.

    Don’t delay in giving the DWP notice that you intend to appeal, you only have a month, and at the moment the DWP are withholding the ESA 85s so that you do not know what you are appealing against, so send them a letter notifying them that you intend to appeal and attache a sicknote, also ask for the assessment rate on there and very quickly you will start to get paid, but you wont have your ESA 85 though so when you do receive it then have a good look at it and compose the rest of your appeal and send it on.
    Your GP usually gives a sicknote for three months, when it expires just go and get another one and send it to the DWP etc..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 8, 2012 @ 7:36 pm

  309. Thanks i will do as you say. On checking my ‘ previous history’ was from a medical i took over 4 years ago! I never once mentioned any of these in my recent one. I am so angry that they think they can get away with this. Not so long ago i couldnt move at all for 6 weeks, couldnt bend to get a shave, walk or any thing and finally managed ro see my doctor and he sent me for an x ray that showed i have a bone near my spine that is causing the pain. So called doctor was even interested in anything i had to say, seemed to have made her mind up before she saw me!
    She never wrote i had to cancel appts because i was too sore to go, or i got dropped off outside the place i got my test, or even someone helped me to the door etc

    Comment by davscot — June 10, 2012 @ 10:12 am

  310. help, am ssorry but i want to prepare for the worst and i keep seeing the advice of ‘welfare office’ where would i look for one if i need their help?, i do know of CAB but never heard of welfare office and sounds llike they would/could hhelp if needed,
    ihavent a clue and so terrified of all this esa tests, fails and hhaving to appeal etc. help?

    Comment by angie66 — June 12, 2012 @ 12:28 am

  311. Hello Angie.

    There’s a welfare rights office in every big city in Britain, you will find their address and phone number in any phone book, they may be too busy to give you an interview but you can only contact them to see what their procedure/s are.
    If you need help with appeals or what to do at an ATOS assessment or how to deal with the DWP then log in to our forum, and you will get all the help you need http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 12, 2012 @ 4:16 am

  312. Update: i phoned as soon as i got letter from them giving me no points on friday 8th june and today 13th june i phoned to ask where it was and they said they had no record of me phoning them! Try telling that to my phone bill! They have assured me that a new one will be sent out with a note saying i had already asked for one last week. I asked for my medical report and was told it would follow on and assesement payment to start once they get my appeal.

    Comment by davscot — June 13, 2012 @ 5:39 pm

  313. Hello davscot.

    It’s no use phoning the DWP, best to always send them a letter, record the delivery as well..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 13, 2012 @ 8:59 pm

  314. I finally got a GL24 standard form for an appeal but no medical form with it. Will wait until tomorrow and ask where that one has got to as well. It annoys me the way we are treated like scroungers when all we want is what we are entitled to and they dont believe anything your own doctor says either.

    Comment by davscot — June 14, 2012 @ 1:13 pm

  315. Hello davscot.

    I don’t think you are getting the message me old son, you are not going to be getting any medical reports from the DWP, not at least until you have composed the appeal, listen to what I’m saying, they are trying to stop you from winning your appeal by limiting the information you can put on the GL 24, and the DWP decision makers have been told by the Government to hold back the ESA 85 assessment reports because far to many people are winning their appeals.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 15, 2012 @ 5:20 am

  316. hi all last september i lost my esa through those lying bastards after a horrendous medical i had in july 2011 and i did win it back with the help of my mp and was put in to the support group i did write my story on this site .but then march this year i lost my dla and the reason was because i failed the medical for esa ( but that was over turned in october 2011 ) any way i appealed via the phone a couple of weeks later i was diagnosed with breast cancer and depression so i phoned and told them my circumstances had changed in the means time those bastards in esa had stopped my money and again i was passed from pillar to post . i had had enough so yet again i contacted my mp and with in 4 weeks i had my dla reinstated the moral of my story is dont give up get angry and fight harder which is what i do

    Comment by jentyjen — June 15, 2012 @ 12:53 pm

  317. ps love this site

    Comment by jentyjen — June 15, 2012 @ 12:55 pm

  318. listen they are all corrupt you have to treat them with the contempt they treat you with .when i go for my medical assement now ( thats a joke ) i ask them if they have a bed i can lie down on ( when the nurse told me i had to go back to the waiting room after i had waited there for an hour i refused when she told me she could not leave us on our own i told her to go and get one of the girls who were sitting there doing nothing to come and sit with us in the end she gave up and left us on our own these are not nice people at all treat them all with contempt . you have to go in there and know they are going to lie . myself and my husband have worked for forty years each i refuse to let them treat me in this discraceful way i dont want to be this way me and my husband often say how we would give anything to have our health back . were fit for nothing now (EXCEPT TO FIGHT HARDER FOR OUR RIGHTS )

    Comment by jentyjen — June 15, 2012 @ 1:10 pm

  319. Hello jentjen.

    We will fight them all the way, on here and on the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org there will be no let up in our fight against these lying scum at ATOS.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 15, 2012 @ 2:39 pm

  320. i had a esa medical the doctor refussed to examine my knee as i was in pain i also suffer with depression and attempted suicide guess what they never told me i failed they stopped all money including housing benifit i have to appeal now and still i carnt get any income till my appeal goes though again i have no money coming in for rent or food

    Comment by happychappy — June 17, 2012 @ 11:05 pm

  321. Hello Happychappy.

    What do you mean you haven’t got any money to pay for your rent and daily living ? if you are appealing an unfit for work decision you are entitled by law to the assessment rate, you have to ask them though, because if you don’t write and ask them to pay you the assessment rate until your appeal is heard they will pay you nothing.
    So you need to appeal, attache a sicknote and ask them to pay you the assessment rate, this will take care of your rent and council tax rebate as well.
    Get help from your local welfare rights or CAB, and also log in here http://www.dwpexamination.org for all the free help you need, don’t live in ignorance.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 18, 2012 @ 5:35 am

  322. It may also be worth trying to get the assessment rate backdated, I know when they lied to me and said I had to sign on as fit for work, didn’t know any better then, I got the JSA backdated to the date they cut the esa, so I don’t see why they cannot do the same with esa at the assessment rate

    Comment by wildthing666 — June 18, 2012 @ 10:33 am

  323. I love this site i had a so called medical on the 30th of may and asked for a copy and recieved a jokebook which basicly states im fit for work.And buy some magical sprinkle of fairycrap i will be able to return to work in 3 months time which is the same day my sicknote runs out i have not had my decision yet but by the report i have already figured out the answer.now when i get my decision will i be put in the WORK RELATED COMPONENT or back on JSA?

    Comment by HONESTJOHN — June 19, 2012 @ 10:18 am

  324. Let me guess John, em er…JSA.
    Don’t worry if it happens then the appeal is the way to go, and don’t forget the assessment rate, if you don’t ask you don’t get..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 19, 2012 @ 3:34 pm

  325. well it seems to be misleading that your assesd to be put into one group or the other if my gp says im unfit for work and the hcp says im fit for work surley id be entitled to the WRC until my sicknote runs out if thats the whole point of 2 different components or its all completely pointless

    Comment by HONESTJOHN — June 19, 2012 @ 4:00 pm

  326. It’s all a con, they want everyone on JSA, or better still, just faaaaaaaaaade away from benefits all together.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 19, 2012 @ 6:54 pm

  327. id be better of being a self inflicted alcholic junky they get treated better and its all there own choice if my disability was a choice id run as fast as i could in the other direction cos at least id be able to run lol.i should have my decision this week i will let you know the outcome as if you dont know

    Comment by HONESTJOHN — June 19, 2012 @ 7:06 pm

  328. went for a medical 11 weeks ago,still no word,but i am still getting my esa,is there a backlog?.

    Comment by newstar — June 20, 2012 @ 3:50 pm

  329. Reply to dwpexamination
    I went to my doctor today who was shocked i had lost my medical but not shocked at their attitude. He took my blood pressure and i have extremely high blood distolic as well now. I got a sick note for 28 days purely because he wants to check my levels again as he is converned about that also my back pain has started to come back even worse than before. My appeal has not to be in until 6th of July but my last money is friday 22nd June. Do i wait until medical report might or might not arrive or is there anyway i can force them to send it to me either through a lawyer or what. Im afraid my assessment money will not start until i send an appeal in but how can i get all the facts if i dont have what they have said in their so called report?
    My wife suffers from bad panic attacks, among other things i wont go in to but cannot go anywhere without someone being with her and is constantly in her bed due to depression. Would i get extra money just being a full time carer for her if i loose my appeal?
    Or if we split up because of all this hassle, would she get extra money being herself if i left completely as it is not fair on herand she doesnt need this stress in her life, she is on DLA but middle rate.
    If they say i am fit for work which i clearly am not, i feel i should go for a full time caret for her which i am even though i am in agony trying to help her out the best i can. DSS tell you nothing if you are lucky to get through to them.
    I used to be a long distance lorry driver with a class 1 licence and failed my medical so it was suspended unless i pass another medical wirh them which wont happen.
    Sorry for rambling on but dont know who else to ask. I have reumotoid athritus ( excuse spelling) and when my back seizes i cannot move at all in any way in that i cannot walk, bend down in a sink to shave and just got my monthly prescription last friday and because i have taken extra pain killers i had to get more today. My doctor i have had dor years is very understanding, they type who takes the time to listen and give advice , not one that just writes prescriptiions without listening like some i have had.
    When i phoned for my medical report the woman was really unhelpful and ignorent and treated me like something she had stepped on.
    Any advice in my questions would be extremely grateful as this is only forum i know that cares and gives advice to likes of us.
    Does it help to take,someone with you to the appeal in person?
    Please help as this is worrying me and i could,do,without the,stress of all of this.
    Thanks for reading.

    Comment by davscot — June 20, 2012 @ 5:10 pm

  330. Hello Newstar.

    Yes there’s a backlog, don’t worry they will not forget about you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 20, 2012 @ 7:39 pm

    A lady i care for went for a medical assesment & scored high enough to continue getting DLA. A week later she went for another medical assesment at the same place & scored 0 points for ESA.!!!That cant be right,theycantbe serious. Thats impossible!!

    Comment by gemma — June 20, 2012 @ 7:54 pm

  332. Hello Davscot.

    They will not send you the ESA 85 until you send in your appeal, they don’t tell you that so you could in theory wait for ever for the ESA 85 assessment report, another thing they don’t tell you is if you send in a letter saying that you intend to appeal their decision to find you fit for work, and also inform them that when you finally receive the ESA 85 report you will compose and send in the full appeal when you see what you are appealing against, then as long as you attache the sicknote they will accept that your appeal has started because you have complied with the law.

    So that’s what to do if you want to get forward a bit and get paid the assessment rate, don’t forget to mention you would like to be paid the assessment rate whilst you wait for the appeal to be heard.

    When you have done that, then the likelihood is they will send you a letter saying they have accepted your appeal, well they don’t actually say that because they are very careful in how they word all their letters, but rather something like…We will pay you the assessment rate etc, if you have any new evidence then please send it to us before we forward your appeal, we may decide in your favour and you may not have to appeal to the first tier tribunal.
    That’s the basic jist, they are very sly and are learning from their mistakes, you see, they will not mention they have accepted your appeal, but since they are paying you the assessment rate and they never pay you until they receive the appeal and just as importantly the sicknote, so in fact they have accepted your appeal, even though you have only notified them you intend to appeal.

    I hope that sounds as if I’m explaining their sly new method, you can see what they are trying to do, they are trying desperately not to let you see the ESA 85 before you have a chance to compose a proper appeal, I personally believe they have seen too many people winning their appeals because they saw their assessment report upfront so have decided to make it as difficult as possible for us, as I said above the only way round it as far as I can see is to give them what they want, which is notify your intention to appeal and demand your ESA 85, when you receive the ESA 85 then send the rest of your appeal to them, and don’t forget to send a copy to the welfare rights or CAB, or whoever it is that is representing you at the appeal, because they will not do it for you.

    I personally believe you would be better of on your own, this is something the Government haven’t realised and could backfire on them, of course I hope you don’t do that but find another way round that problem, but that’s for you to decide.
    As for being a carer for your wife, I don’t see why not, but bear in mind that if you can’t look after yourself then how can you be a carer for your wife ? I’m just giving you a possible DWP type pitfall, so get advice there, and you can get great help with that type of question here at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org just think up a username (Davscot is fine) and log in and go to the main discussion page and ask any questions you like, you will get answers very quickly from people who have been there done that etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 20, 2012 @ 8:08 pm

  333. Hello Gemma.

    Yes it’s incredible, but that’s what they are doing, I don’t understand it either, and neither does anyone else.
    Maybe ATOS themselves might know where their rhyme or reason fits in, someone should ask them.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 20, 2012 @ 11:04 pm

  334. Many thanks dwpexamination, i will do as you say because as you know, they will tell you nothing.,will keep you informed in my ongoing battle with them.
    Many thanks as you have helped me a lot in your answers. All the best for now.

    Comment by Davscot — June 21, 2012 @ 7:45 am

  335. thanks dwp,do you think i should give them a ring?,is 11 weeks a long time?,last time took 2 weeks to let me know i was signed off,cheers anyhow.

    Comment by newstar — June 21, 2012 @ 5:34 pm

  336. No news is good news. ATOS send for us by computer anyway, it’s automatic.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 22, 2012 @ 7:23 am

  337. I recieved my date for my DLA appeal today but i still havent heard my decision for ESA will they use my medical from atos in my DLA appeal or do they keep them separate.as i havent set the appeal for ESA in motion yet but i already have my ESA85 is this normal

    Comment by HONESTJOHN — June 23, 2012 @ 3:29 pm

  338. They usually use one report to deny you the other benefit John, so prepare for the worst and expect to appeal for ESA as well.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 24, 2012 @ 1:45 am

  339. How does the point system work?
    I maybe being thick but if you have an accumulation of points totally 15 or more does this mean you get the award/benefit???
    I ask because it seems a little strange that potentially you could have 2 answers giving you 30points.
    Again, apologies if I’m being a bit dim but just unsure

    Comment by mr me — June 24, 2012 @ 7:50 pm

  340. Hello Mr me.

    First of all you need the 15 points at the minimum to get the benefit, if a certain descriptor has components of nine and six points and you qualify for the nine points and the six points then you get the highest for that particular descriptor, in other words nine.
    Each descriptor relevant to you is toted up, it could tot up to eighteen points for all the descriptors that concerns you but since you only need fifteen then any surplus though welcome – just in case – is superfluous.
    It can make a difference how many points get toted up at the tribunal, because there may be doubt with the panel on your functional ability for certain descriptors, for instance the panel could take the view that you can walk one hundred Metres (Which is worth nine points if you can’t) but cannot walk two hundred Metres (Which is worth six points if you can’t) so if they say you can walk over one hundred Metres but cannot walk over two hundred Metres that three points you lose (Because you can walk over one hundred Metres and not under) in the toting up could be important, so the more points you gain the better, even though fifteen is enough.

    Sorry for the long winded explanation..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 24, 2012 @ 10:03 pm

  341. To dwpexamination
    I did as you suggested and put a sick note in along with saying i want paid an assessment rate until my appeal has been heard and also sked for my medical report that i have phoned them 3 times for it. And qlso i will give a full reasons for my appeal once i get it sent to me. I sent it recorded first class delivery today dated from the day i last got my payment feom them.
    I also took screenshots of my letter to them and the address as well so that i know what i wrote.
    Thanks again :)

    Comment by Davscot — June 26, 2012 @ 12:40 pm

  342. Hello Davscot.

    Now that you have notified them that you intend to appeal and attached a sicknote, there is no excuse for any delays now.
    So you will get one of two types of return letters, the obvious and most likely is an acknowledgment that you are appealing (Because you have gave them a sicknote and complied with the law) the other type is a GL 24 only along with a letter saying please use this to appeal.

    The second type is rare but possible and so you must be ready, again you fill it in and say on there that you would like to appeal against their decision etc and could you send me the ESA 85 assessment report, when I receive the report you will study it in great detail and compose the rest of the appeal when you know what you are appealing against.

    It’s a game of let’s not give Davscot his ESA 85 just yet, let’s make him suffer for a while first, so the only solution is play along with their game, time means nothing as far as the appeal is concerned because it will take around 9 months to be heard anyway.

    Whether you get paid quickly or not is out of your hands, and depends on what side of the bed the decision maker got out of bed that morning.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 26, 2012 @ 2:56 pm

  343. Hi it is just too begin 4 me and i have just had the call to day and awate leter i have COPD and only have 32% lungs what do i do

    Comment by bob — June 26, 2012 @ 7:06 pm

  344. Hello Bob.

    You await letter and just had the call today ? you will have to explain what that means.
    Do you mean you await confirmation that you are fit or unfit for work ? or do you mean that you await a letter demanding you attend an assessment ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 26, 2012 @ 8:07 pm

  345. Hello
    i recently filled in the questionnaire “limited cap for work” filled in to be back for 15th march,but still have not heard anything back from them??,after filling in that form had to do my DLA form and heard back within a week granting me DLA of high mobility and middle care .But how long does the first one i have mentioned take before they decide you have waited long enough ,i like the other person thought about phoning them but i agree with your answer why give them reason to dig into your file,and pls forgive me if i have missed it being asked and replyed to along this very long and very informative thread
    Regards Paul

    Comment by paul — June 27, 2012 @ 3:37 pm

  346. You’ve probably came to the same conclusion as me Paul, when it comes to dealing with the DWP, it seems there’s NO RHYME NOR REASON.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 27, 2012 @ 6:26 pm

  347. Yes indeed,but they are quick to tell you to have the form back by a certain date and even say they will keep you up to date by letter or call ,but no they let you stress over their decision some 12 weeks in now and heard nothin ,but hopefully no news is good news ??

    Comment by paul — June 27, 2012 @ 7:08 pm

  348. hi, got medical 9.10am in morning, have really bad deppression, it has lasted 10years or more, meds help alot but have aweful panic attacks, have athritis in my knees back, hips, can stand for ages in reality but my knees and back hurts all the time, what ime saying is, if you have to stand regardless of the pain you can do it, so do i tell them no i cant stand, or i can stand but not without aweful pain? i was dishcharged from the army following a knee opperation 25years ago, had cartlige removed from the same knee 15years ago and they hurt like hell regardless what i do, sometimes its better for me to walk than sit and rest, ime very confused which way to answer, but dont want to lay it on i want to be truthful, ime in pain constantly, b y the way it helps when i take pain killers half an hour before i do anything that needs to be done, do i tell them that taking painkillers helps me do what needs to be done, ie do i answer the questions with a mindset while ime on meds or without?? i can cope much better while ime on meds, by the way im up for esa in the morning.

    Comment by peter may — June 28, 2012 @ 8:32 am

  349. Hello Peter.

    Sorry went offline before you posted this morning.
    You should always tell them your worst day, don’t forget you have filled in an ESA 50 Questionnaire before the face to face assessment, anything you write on there that helps you in a possible dispute on your future right to benefits will not be used to help you, but on the other hand anything you tell them that helps them to deny you will be used against you with great gusto, and that includes any possible future tribunal.
    Beware what you write on the ESA 50 Questionnaire.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 28, 2012 @ 9:03 am

  350. Thanks again dwpexamination for replying to me.
    I checked and they got my recorded letter day after i sent it and i have a copy of signature who signed for it. Today, my wife got a letter from our council stating her income support has stopped, she got that plus middle rate of disability bebefit and because of that, our housing benefit has stopped from the day after i last got my giro! We have a month to explain to them what we intend to do to pay the rent.
    How does this affect her money because of me? I thought the rent was secured along with her benefit?
    I intend to phone them tomorrow and demand an explanation and also ask what has happened to my report from them.
    We are guilty until proven innocent!
    I watched that video you said was on youtube about going to a tribunal and it has made me more determed to go.
    What do you advise we should do now?

    Comment by Davscot — June 28, 2012 @ 9:25 pm

  351. Hello Davscot.

    The DWP have been sending notice to housing associations informing them that the claimant is no longer claiming benefits and of course this implies that the claimant is now working.
    I’ve had experience of that DWP dirty trick as well, so when I inquired in a phone call to the housing association why they just don’t ask the DWP for my details ? and they would soon find out that I still receive benefits because I was appealing an unfair fit for work decision, the housing association officer told me the information from the DWP is limited because of the data protection act.
    So you can see that the DWP are wording their letters to the housing associations in such a way, not to inform, but to deliberately spread disinformation and therefore terror, in my opinion this is bordering on criminality, any DWP worker who writes letters like that is a borderline criminal, and is one step from the jail. The housing associations can only go on what the DWP tell them.

    The good news is, that when you explain to the housing association that you are still on benefits then the threats start to stop, also in time these mendacious letters the DWP are sending to housing associations will eventually lose the impact the DWP hope for, because the housing association/s are catching on that they are being taken for fools, once they find out that this is a regular occurrence all over Britain then any future letters from the DWP (Just like anything ATOS write) will be taken with a pinch of salt.
    If you are really worried about this (Remember that’s what the DWP want) contact your nearest CAB and ask for an appointment, explain what’s happening, and they should be able to give you good advice, you can also go here as well http://www.dwpexamination.org and ask for advice from people who are going through the same nonsense as yourself.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 29, 2012 @ 5:12 am

  352. Wouldn’t the person named in one of these letters be able to request a copy of the letter from the local housing authority it is sent to using a Subject Access Request? The letter they are sending out must be about the person and more likely openly names them on the letter, I would think that any housing authority would gladly send a copy as they only want the rent paying. It would also be interesting to see if one of these letters was produced before the claimant knew they were going to have to appeal a decision, if they are sending out letters to stop housing benefit before informing the claimant then how is the claimant supposed to do anything when the housing authority knows before the claimant and they can take a few days to get a letter through their system.

    Comment by wildthing666 — June 29, 2012 @ 8:51 am

  353. Well after waiting for ages, i got through to someone from dss who said they would put me through to the right dept that deals with it. 30 mins later, and i am not kidding, i got a guy and started to explain that i had phoned them 4 times from 3 weeks ago today and also sent in a recorded letter about my appeal, when i again asked for my medical report ESA 85, he hung up on me!
    I was so angry i declined to call back and will wait until i have calmed down. This behaviour from them is the worst i have ever come across in my life! They tell you send in a letter by a certain date, or else. Then wont give out any info and drag their heels in.
    This is putting a lot of pressure on us and we could do without this in that i am thinking i would be better off leaving and let my wife claim for herself and we should split up over this decision.

    Comment by Davscot — June 29, 2012 @ 2:40 pm

  354. Davscot…It’s better to write to them, and just keep writing until you get what you want, phoning them is hopeless.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 29, 2012 @ 2:59 pm

  355. Hi,
    Thats just what i was thinking about before i came back on here. It is a complete waste of time and soul destroying trying to phone them. Going to write a letter and post it recorded today. Will let you know how i get on. Cheers

    Comment by Davscot — June 29, 2012 @ 3:13 pm

  356. Still no reply at all from them, no letters phone calls nothing!
    Wish some tv company would get an insider to film someone from day one going to the medical to getting zero points and the hassle trying to phone or contact them, then jthe rent and money stopping ete etc

    Comment by Scotsdavy@gmail.com — July 3, 2012 @ 11:19 am

  357. As long as your getting your money then no news is good news, you will hear from them soon enough..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 3, 2012 @ 2:10 pm

  358. Well i heard some news today from them at long last! I have to get paid the assesement rate from this coming Friday which is about £130 a fortnight less we were getting and the rent is to be re- instated asap. I got on to the rent office and told them so thats on hold until they hear from the dss.
    Just had phone call from dss and was told my ESA 85 has been sent out so hopefully the balls rolling now! Am going to fight this all the way i can tell you.
    Do i need to continue to send in sick notes from my doctor in the meantime?
    This has taken a load of my shoulders at the moment i can tell you and i appreciate the help you have been giving me. Thought they had just thrown my claim out. Recorded letter i sent them on friday they just got today as well and they asked for bar code to check and i still have it. I have kept copies of all letters i have sent to them as well.

    Comment by scotsdavy@gmail.com — July 3, 2012 @ 2:47 pm

  359. well today i had my p45. no letters from dwp sicknote for another 2 months but thay still sent it and when i phoned thay said you have been signed off since june 2nd o ok. thay are now sending me out a new claim pack. hmmmmmmm wonder if thay will put me on esa. (ha ha) i think moral is phone as soon as you fail your appeal or this will happen to you. not giveing up thou. just another step in the world of dwp hell.

    Comment by Anonymous — July 3, 2012 @ 3:52 pm

  360. Hello Scotsdavy.

    Yes you need to keep giving them a sicknote when it runs out, sometimes the DWP don’t tell you it’s due to expire and that you need to get a new one.
    Obviously they hope you might forget and send one in too late, then they can stuff you for a couple of days money.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 3, 2012 @ 8:26 pm

  361. I thought that, will get an appt with doc before its due and send it recorded also will take a copy of it ,iin case the ‘loose’ it.

    Comment by Scotsdavy — July 4, 2012 @ 5:13 pm

  362. went for assessment yesterday second in 15 months got two hernias size of footballs caused by majar surgery of bowel waiting for more sugery to remove remainder of bowel can not bend but they still trying to stop esa

    Comment by Anonymous — July 4, 2012 @ 6:07 pm

  363. An interesting article by the new statesman.


    Comment by dwpexamination — July 4, 2012 @ 7:57 pm

  364. hi,when you make an appeal,is the assessment rate the same as esa?,

    Comment by anonymous — July 5, 2012 @ 2:28 pm

  365. Hi..The assessment rate is the same deal as Job seekers allowance, this is no accident, the idea is to get you living on that lower rate to get you used to it, then signing on for Job seekers in the future will not be such a problem…well that’s what they hope..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 5, 2012 @ 3:03 pm

  366. now im confused i was sent my p45 a couple of days ago so phoned and aked for a claim pack. it came today and its for esa. fingers crossed. next assesment will the right one. anyone new on this sight dont expect this to go fast mine is nearly one year and still no real sight to an end.

    Comment by Anonymous — July 5, 2012 @ 3:48 pm

  367. It will be a continual fight until the day we die, unless one is lucky to win the lottery, then we can take them to court and at the same time direct them to stick their ESA right up where the sun doesn’t shine.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 5, 2012 @ 4:39 pm

  368. Everyone attending assessments must demand to have it recorded. How do you possibly expect to win an appeal when you do not have all the evidence. They will not be able to make a report full of inaccuracies when they know you have recorded it.

    Comment by Anonymous — July 5, 2012 @ 8:40 pm

  369. Not only that, People who get refused home assessments should make demands and don’t back down .If you request your assessment to be recorded, you will be refused. You will be told “don’t attend and ESA will stop”.
    So don’t attend. Your benefit will stop. You appeal the decision to stop your benefit due to non attendance, as you have given good enough reason as to why you can’t travel ie doctors note and told them that you won’t have a report made on you with information that is only privy to one party, which a non recorded assessment would. Your benefit will be reinstated at assessment level(£67.50) until the appeal is heard. Chances are that if you request a recording, you are not 100% confident on passing assessment, so you will be in an appeal process whether its for failing wca, or non attendance. Have the letter of your appeal already written and in envelope and stamped ready to post before they stop your benefits. Stay one step ahead.

    Comment by willwillwill — July 5, 2012 @ 11:12 pm

  370. Always demand a recording as Atos will lie about what you said in assessment. Ok this is how it is, If you simply go to an assessment, you have a 95% chance of failing. FACT, ITS AUTOMATIC Now you need to ask yourself, if you fail you will have to go on JSA or appeal the decision.So lets try to skip the fail and give ourselves 95% chance of passing. Appealing an assessment fail decision is harder than appealing a decision to stop your benefits because you didn’t attend assessment. Tell Atos you will only attend a recorded assessment. You will easily appeal that decision because it is at dwp level. you simply write to your local jc+ and ask for the decision to stop benefits to be reviewed and to be given another appointment which will be recorded, your benefits will be immediately restored awaiting decision . But have that letter ready even before Atos first contact. Its as simple as that. Atos relies on you not having the evidence to appeal their decision. chances are Atos won’t require you to be assessed after that as they don’t have all the cards, but at least you will now have a 95% chance of passing if assessment is recorded, then no further appeal will be neccercary. So which appeal would YOU prefer?

    Comment by willwillwill — July 6, 2012 @ 12:17 am

  371. Hi willwillwill.

    You raise a very good point, but there’s one problem, in my opinion it’s best to at least attend the assessment, and the reason is when the appeal get’s to DWP level then they have good grounds (Non attendance, did not make him/her self available etc) to pass it to a tribunal, and they can justify it because you did not make yourself available for a capability of work assessment.
    But…they cannot say that, if you at least attend the assessment, because you have taken every step humanly possible to make yourself available, and if they refuse to assess you because they can’t provide the equipment then following your steps can only make your case stronger, remember attending the assessment doesn’t mean you are going to allow them to assess you if they can’t provide the equipment, it just means you were available to be assessed and it was them who terminated the assessment.
    Telling ATOS you will only attend a recorded assessment and refuse to turn up is dangerous, best to turn up and demand they record it before you/we can proceed, this gives ATOS a choice, either they comply with Chris Graylings wishes (That we have a right to a recorded assessment) or not comply with his wishes, so if they don’t comply then this will add extra weight to an appeal/recosideration at DWP level, I’m sure we can agree that’s the best way forward.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 6, 2012 @ 8:16 am

  372. Of course you are right as far as domiciliary assessments are concerned, it’s not a case of one will not attend but rather one can’t attend, so following your steps is the way to go. After all the claimant has already demonstrated to ATOS (ESA 50, GPs letters etc) that a physical attendance at one of their centres is impossible.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 6, 2012 @ 8:26 am

  373. Well just thought I’d update you, since I sent my appeal forms back to ESA and dla end of April. I had a letter on the 15th may from ESA saying they are looking at the decision again but haven’t heard anything since BUT things have worsened condition wise and 2 weeks ago I found out I am am pregnant, big shock for my partner and I but we will get through it. So I called ESA last week to tell them that I was pregnant and no doubt will have a detrimental affect on my lower limbs but the nonse on the phone said it was irrelevant and wouldn’t change anything but I presumed they had noted it anyway. Sooo I called yesterday because I had a feeling he didn’t record the reason why I called and by god I was right, not one thing about the phone call, the woman I spoke to was a miserable moody cow but did say she had now noted it down on my file. To refresh I scored 12 points so I am really hoping they give me the extra 3 even though I think I should get another 12. How long do you think I’ll wait now for an answer or shall I answer it my self with how longs a piece of string! Taking its top now all the not knowing, I even think my work is going to finish me next Monday when I go for a meeting hopefully on Ill health

    Comment by Jenny — July 6, 2012 @ 8:09 pm

  374. Could get an answer anytime Jenny, but you will win any possible tribunal appeals with all money owed backdated. Don’t let them pull the wool over your eyes when they say your appeal has been reconsidered and you are still fit for work, that’s a typical DWP contrick. They are trying to give people the impression their appeal has been heard and they have lost, thousands upon thousands must have fell for that one.
    It’s true though, any worsening of your condition after the date the DWP found you fit for work will not be accepted, but in the future when you have to go through this nonsense again you can use worsening of your condition to add further weight to your assertion that your fitness for work is limited.
    Of course just because worsening of your condition will not be accepted, doesn’t mean you cannot slyly mention to any future tribunal that things aren’t getting any better since you were found fit for work by the DWP !!.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 7, 2012 @ 7:30 am

  375. Little update on my position so far.
    Tuesday there i phoned and again asked for my medical report and was told it was to be sent out, still waiting after being told that three times!
    Guy phoned me back and said my assesement rate would be paid yesterday, which it was, but it is £45 a weel less than my wife and i usually get.
    They said they would sort my rent out as well.
    Got a letter from housing dept saying i owe them a month,s rent now and will be evicted if not sorted asap! They sent the letter day after dss phoned me so hopefully it has crossed in the post with them.
    Am going to phoned both again on monday because i already told housing that i was appealing their decision.
    Any thoughts?

    Comment by Davscot — July 7, 2012 @ 11:44 am

  376. Davscot…You need to contact the housing dept again and explain the situation in great depth, do not rely on the DWP doing it for you.
    It will get sorted in time, I know because it happened to me, but it doesn’t stop one worrying, and that’s what the DWP want, they wish to put us in as much stress as possible hoping we will give up and sign on.
    Don’t forget you are on the assessment rate now, that’s ESA without the working component, so for a single person like myself is £71 odds per week. Not sure about married couples, can be extremely complicated and depends on other things like if she works full time or part time or doesn’t work at all, and if she has a small pension etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 7, 2012 @ 12:47 pm

  377. Better still, Refuse to attend assessment on the grounds that you can’t travel. Demand home assessment. Sound aggressive when they make contact and they will put you straight into support group..

    Comment by willwillwill — July 7, 2012 @ 4:12 pm

  378. Oh, does everyone realize that the gov can can get our ip addresses from this. I personally don’t care. I am going to tell them on first contact that I want it to string out for as long as possible so I can get as many marks against their corrupt system as possible. More appeals, more marks against them.

    Comment by willwillwill — July 7, 2012 @ 4:23 pm

  379. dwpexamination, i am going to phone housing first thing tomorrow then will get back on to dss again. This is ridiculous the way we are treated by them. Guilty until proven innocent is their moto I think!
    Even with sending about 3 recorded letters to tnem, all they have done is pay at a reduced rate and messed up my rent. Still waiting on the top secret medical report! Its as if they have something to hide by stalling sending it to me!

    Comment by Davscot — July 8, 2012 @ 5:28 pm

  380. i finally received my so called reconsideration today in the form of appeal papers they have sent on to tribunal, it says in the letter that the tribunal services will contact me to let me know what happens next??
    so does anyone know what will happen next?? i dont think i have the energy to fight this…,,,,,there is not one mention in the appeal papers that im pregnant either………..all this bloody stress cant be good!

    Comment by Anonymous — July 9, 2012 @ 11:14 am

  381. the above are by me

    Comment by jenny — July 9, 2012 @ 11:15 am

  382. Hello Jenny.

    The appeal service will send you a letter and ask if you still want to appeal, you of course you say yes and send it back in their pre-paid envelope. At the moment it is taking around 9 months average for appeals to be heard, so when it gets nearer the time you will receive another letter saying your appeal will be heard on such and such a date and other relevant details like where it will be heard etc, and if you want to claim expenses and so on.
    Meanwhile all you need to do is supply the DWP with a sicknote all the way until the appeal is heard in order for you to get paid the assessment rate. And if it’s possible to get more medical evidence to support your health problems when you were found fit for work then do so.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 9, 2012 @ 1:59 pm

  383. ok thanks, by the time i have had my appeal then i will have had my baby. do you think it will help matters if my work finish me on ill health?

    Comment by jenny — July 9, 2012 @ 2:40 pm

  384. I phoned dss and they said yet again my medical report will be sent out. Council know nothing as rent not been paid for over a month. Dss said i would get a call back which i did and they said to phone council and say it is an ESA clerical case but told someone from their office in council will call me tomorrow!
    This is getting beyond a joke! I told them i have done everything they ask yet they are messing me around.
    My sick note runs out next tuesday and as my own doctor is off that week, he is going to leave a new one dated for that day.
    Dss say i have to phone them when i get it, then make an appt at job centre for them to fax it to them as i get a giro in my bank the following friday and if note is late so will be giro!
    It is hard enough to go to doctor without going to job centre which is miles away from where i live as well!

    Comment by Davscot — July 9, 2012 @ 3:10 pm

  385. I don’t think it would matter to the panel one way or the other, they will be asking you questions on your functional ability to work on the date the DWP found you fit for work and not the date you were assessed by ATOS. By the way the only way they would know that you are still in employment is if they were told, they don’t do any independent checks on your work status or your health condition. So if you mentioned you were finished on ill health or you still have a job to go back too, shouldn’t really make any difference to whether you were entitled to Employment allowance or not on that particular date the DWP claimed you were work fit.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 9, 2012 @ 3:23 pm

  386. Hi ive got a medical for esa soon any advice . need help as im so streesed im thrown off my benefits . how i would live on less i dont know . i fear for my self

    Comment by Mr Markieboy — July 10, 2012 @ 11:01 am

  387. Advice needed for esa medical please please please

    Comment by Mr Markieboy — July 10, 2012 @ 11:02 am

  388. What do you want to know ? there’s an excellent site http://www.dwpexamination.org which helps people who are going through this dreadful WCA, just think of a username (Markieboy is fine) and log in, go to the general discussion page and ask any questions or explain your ESA/WCA concerns and it will be answered by people who know and have experience of the system.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 10, 2012 @ 11:55 am

  389. Was going for appeal today for DLA to try and get higher care rate but had phone call two hours before appeal. Panel look at report and have asked for more medical evidence they are going to send a doctor out to asses me.DWP are going on medical report from feb2011.
    Would that be the reason why the doctor is coming to see me.Do you think thats good news or bad news. mikey!

    Comment by Anonymous — July 10, 2012 @ 12:22 pm

  390. bn

    Comment by vic — July 10, 2012 @ 12:26 pm

  391. Hi
    There seems to be a great deal of phone calling going on – a typical admin trick when dealing with large volumes of people.

    A phone call for discussion, to clarify matters, is fine so long as you either record the call, take the name of the person you were speaking to and note the date & time of the call. However, for anything that requires engagement, details or information I would always put it in writing, keep a copy, and send by recorded delivery so you make up a portfolio of evidence of contact and lack of support offered.

    Good luck.
    Mo Stewart

    Comment by Mo Stewart — July 10, 2012 @ 12:43 pm

  392. Finally a kind of a result! After weeks of asking for my medical report ESA 85, they have finally agreed to send it to me today after more phone calls to them. Also, my rent is going to get sorted in that they are going to send a letter to my council telling them what benefit i am on and take it from there. That is what housing said they needed. I was going around in circles with them all on 0845 numbers as well!
    One person cut me off again today because i asked yet again for my ESA 85! like getting water from a stone with them!
    Watch this space lol

    Comment by Davscot — July 10, 2012 @ 6:31 pm

  393. Dealing with the DWP is nothing but a hassle, it’s meant to be that way, that’s the way it’s designed, to deliberately make everything as difficult as possible, if you sent them a letter saying under no circumstances do you send me an ESA 85 assessment report I’m warning you, do not send me it, you can bet you would receive it within 24 hours.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 10, 2012 @ 6:39 pm

  394. hi dwpexamination wonder if you can help.ive been in esa. support group for 18 months had medical assessment 3-07-12 had letter today they moved me onto WRAG should i appeal is it worth the hassel.will they tell me the reason if i phone them any comments welcome

    Comment by mikey — July 11, 2012 @ 2:28 pm

  395. Hello Mikey.

    Well you need to ask yourself some questions, do you think you are capable of work ? and just as importantly, are you on contributory ESA ? as opposed to Income related ESA ?. Your reply will determine if it’s worth appealing to get in the support group.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 11, 2012 @ 6:06 pm

  396. hi dwpexamination im on contributory ESA

    Comment by mikey — July 11, 2012 @ 9:27 pm

  397. Mikey.

    You need to appeal to get in the support group, contributory ESA only lasts a year if you are on the Work related ESA, and it’s time retrospective as well, this means for instance if you first received contributory ESA six months ago then it will end in six months time, if you first received contributory ESA a year ago it ends now, but it doesn’t apply if you are in the support group so get a GL 24 form and appeal.
    We are finding that a lot of people who are on contributory ESA are being placed in the Work related group without as much as a fight from the DWP, and you can see the reason why, they know your ESA ends anyway, but they don’t tell you that it doesn’t apply if you are in the support group.
    If you need help to appeal to get in to the support group then go here to our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org there are a few people on there who were in the same boat as you, placed in the WRAG, but they appealed and won.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 11, 2012 @ 9:42 pm

  398. dwpexamination thanks for your help will let you know as i go along with appeal

    Comment by mikey — July 12, 2012 @ 3:09 pm

  399. welfare rights lady is representing me, will be coming out to my house in about 2 weeeks to go through everything with a fine nit comb and she said my hearing will be within 4-8 weeks…….sooner than i expected!

    Comment by jenny — July 13, 2012 @ 2:27 pm

  400. dwpexamination, got my medical report plus a letter stating what i am on and i will need to take it to housing on monday.
    Some questions though.
    It says person who examined me was a registered physiotherapist, i thought it was supposed to be a registered docctor?
    Also, it says enclosing medical report as requested, we have recieved your appeal and it will be dealt with in due course..
    I wrote weeks ago that i would put in a full appeal once i got my medical report and have not said anything to the contrary so how can they consider my appeal if i have written nothing yet?
    Do i just put in a full appeal now i have this and explain this to them when i send in my 2nd sick not on Tuesday?
    Medical report is as you expect full of lies , one of them said i was looking really good, i had slept in my clothes and not not shaved for a week and was drinkingi heavily, yet no smell of alcohol was on me,
    Many many of the answers from her was repeating exactly word for word what was said in first report when i got zero points, she could have been talking about anyone..
    Any advice would be appreciated…

    Comment by Davscot — July 13, 2012 @ 2:40 pm

  401. Meant to say, got my phone bill and have been charged nearly £6 for calling their 0845 numbers!

    Comment by Davscot — July 13, 2012 @ 2:43 pm

  402. I am new to this site and find myself in the same situation having had my ATOS assessment, I was diagnosed with MS in November 2010, was then absent from work from March 2011 and claimed ESA from October 2011. Lo and behold the day before my mothers funeral I attended the appointment on the 30th April 2012. Now for something that is supposed to take between 2 & 6 weeks mine took 11 plus numerous phone calls to get my decision. No suprise my ESA was stopped, I immediately sent a complaint to ATOS as the letter I received was based on assumptions. I also sent appeal to DWP even though I had not at the time had my ESA85.
    Apparently I am fit for work, funny as on the 22nd June 2012 my employment was terminated on the grounds of ill health.
    I have now read the ESA85 several times and it does not matter which way I read it they are basically calling me a liar.
    Every section states I can do it despite having a bad back. It also states I declined to bend forward to my toes, told the muppet examiner I couldn’t due to the pain and loss of balance, I declined to crouch down to the floor and get back up again I told the muppet I could not the pain in my back is too bad and the balance issues I have I would fall over. Seems that I should have made myself look a complete arse and put myself into the floor face down as she didn’t listen just put declined.
    Apparently I sat in my seat for 48 minutes what she failed to mention was that I was constantly changing position as I find sitting or standing for any length of time painful her opinion is I can sit for more than an hour?
    I am also able to shower myself, apparently this is despite having bad back, limb weakness, poor balance and fatigue, i sleep on average a couple of hours a night every aspect of the daily living functionality is followed by despite having…………..!
    I was able to get out of the seat without help from any other person, I used the desk for support, I was able to get on the couch for examination without any person assisting me, I used the desk to get to standing, the back of the chair to support me to the couch and then used the couch for support onto a step……wow thought I was being assessed for MS not had my limbs removed?
    So my appeal has gone a follow up will be sent now I have the ESA85 and am awaiting physiotherapy to see if that will help my back problems in the meantime I am on diazapam 3 times a day, Amitryptiline 50ml at night and Baclofen 10mg at night.
    Anyone know an employer who can employ me to move empty boxes apparently I can do that but they will have to accept that I cannot stay in one position sitting or standing for any length of time, will need periods of rest due to the fatigue from not sleeping, cannot start before 10am it takes me that long to get sorted in the morning and would need to finish by about 2pm as I need to sleep or cat nap as its better known?
    ATOS have replied to my complaint and stated the purpose of the report is to gather sufficient information about a customers functional ability to be able to provide a reasonable and appropriate medical opinion to the DWP about a customers claimed level of disability and the Health care professional is required to only provide information that is pertinent to DWP.
    So in plain english “don’t bother telling us the facts we will ignore them and make our assumptions so you lose your ESA, goverment targets etc.
    Sorry this is so long but this not even half of the crap they have put down

    Comment by Anita — July 13, 2012 @ 4:17 pm

  403. Hi Davscot.

    Apparently they can instruct almost anybody to carry out these assessments, they could even confront you with a vet and justify it by saying (As they do) that it is not a medical, it is a functional assessment on your fitness to work, so there you have it, that’s how they get round it.
    Anyway now that you have read the nonsense on your ESA 85 now is the time to study it and then send them the full appeal, make sure they are relevant to the descriptors that you are contesting.

    Make sure you copy it and send to your representative as well, you can get help from the CAB or your local welfare rights and they will obviously want to see it, do not rely on the DWP to send it to them on your behalf, because they will do no such thing.

    When you get a letter from the appeal service (Which you will do in a couple of weeks) asking if you would still like to appeal (If so then please sign here) then that is the time to send them also a copy of your appeal, you see what I’m saying ? the DWP might not send the full appeal, they might send your first letter and imply to the tribunal service that is your appeal, so to circumvent that you send a copy anyway, if the DWP have already sent it then you have lost nothing by being cautious.

    Now you are beginning to understand the way the DWP work, once you realise they are not your friend/s then it becomes much easier to understand their motivation and therefore their next move and what steps to take to combat them.

    Someone once asked when the DWP or ATOS were going to send away for her medical records to prove she was ill, it was difficult trying to get through to her that she still hasn’t got the message yet…GOD SAVE HER.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 13, 2012 @ 4:20 pm

  404. Anita…Your experience of ATOS and the ESA 85 is almost exactly word for word that I could have put down. it’s normal for ATOS to use the ambiguous word ”DECLINED” Client declined, customer declined to do that this and the next thing etc, so I wouldn’t worry about that, as I said it’s a catch all word they use all the time and everyone knows the reason why.

    What you need to do is follow Davscots lead and write a full appeal and send it on, make sure you explain why you cannot do such and such on the appeal submission, also don’t forget to try and get some kind of representation like the CAB or welfare rights to help you.

    You can also log in here to the sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org and get help as well, you can learn what’s happening in the world of ATOS/DWP on there because anything that’s new and relevant get’s to their ears and on the forum quite fast.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 13, 2012 @ 4:38 pm

  405. Thanks for the advise, i also send everything recorded delivery

    Comment by Anita — July 13, 2012 @ 8:26 pm

  406. hi davscot i find it very strange that ive had my ESA 85 for about 6 weeks and havent even had a decision yet and you had your decision but had trouble getting yours in one way i can write an amazing appeal and im armed to the back teeth but why no decision yet? good luck with your appeal by the way

    Comment by HONESTJOHN — July 14, 2012 @ 8:55 pm

  407. Hi John
    Thay said they had my appeal but i wrotenthat i would send a full appeal once i got my medical report which is 30 pages long but most of it is them repeating themselves and writing about previous history from about 4 years ago! I have copied it all and am going to write a very long explanation on each and every thing they have written about me.
    Why it wasnt a doctor who examined me is beyond me. How does she know my mental health etc?
    I turned up looking like ‘Rab C Nesbit’ from the guy on the telly, unshaven, dirty clothes, stinking of drink etc as that was the way i felt at that time, yet she said i was well kempt and looking good!
    The CAB near here is closed down but I will find one where Imcan and theyncan hopefull come with me.
    As for sending things recorded delivery, i was told my them that once they get it, it is held in a ‘ holding cell’ for a few days, then sent somewhere else for more days before they finally get it! I asked if it was worth sending it recorded and was told no, but at least you know they get it.
    I keep a screenshot using my ipad for everything i send plus dates so that i have a copy of what i send them.
    I am going to take this all the way with them and am sick of the waynthey treat us like scroungers and they are like Gods, or so they think!
    Dont give in whatever you do, that is hat they want and i am glad for this forum as it gives us all hope and we will take on whatever they throw at us.

    Comment by Davscot — July 15, 2012 @ 12:29 pm

  408. hi davscot they also told me i was well kempt andd that i could basicly run a marathon or at least give steve austin (aka the bionic man) a run for his money i was also examined by a vet and the whole purpose of their nazi tactics is to make us want to quit .but i shall never give in.none of us willi also keep copies of every piece of eviedence i send them when i finaly get a decision i am going to fight them all the way.

    Comment by HONESTJOHN — July 16, 2012 @ 6:53 am

  409. Are claimants now going to have to have a photograph taken of themselves wearing their clothes they are going to the interrogation centre in? If they want to play games let them I don’t ask if I can I tell them I will do. Maybe a short video taken in the interrogation room solely of the claimant and what they are wearing, if the HCP speaks during it that’s their problem, it just proves that they attended in what the video shows.

    ATOS want claimant to be afraid but relaxed enough to spill everything they force themselves into doing with severe pain so they can write on the ESA85 claimant states they can do XX.
    My ESA50 had two parts left blank and that was the phone numbers and the hobbies section, never be afraid to leave parts like these blank.

    I was looking forward to a meeting with an interrogator only to be put in WRAG without having to attend, but what I put on the ESA50 that all verbal communication will be audio recorded and I fully intend to record the work focused interview when I attend

    Comment by wildthing666 — July 16, 2012 @ 7:17 am

  410. Idiot also put down i was single, i have been married 3 years!
    I told them i drink a lot, she put down i drink 8 cans and a SIP of vodka! Maybe a full bottle of vodka counts as a sip lol
    I managed to get my printer working so as my writing is like a doctors i will type my answer but tell them my wife did it which she will need to do anyway.
    Imagins saying they recieved my appeal when i only put on it that i will send in a full appeal when i get my medical report which i finally got.
    If i ever have to go to another one, i am dressing as Rab C Nesbit I kid you not!

    Comment by Davscot — July 16, 2012 @ 10:01 am

  411. Does rent continue when assesment starts getting paid? Reason I ask is that when i failed medical, my income support stopped and also housing benefit. Assesment payment started next time my giro was due so no gap in payments. Was told I am a month in arrears but was told in a phone call by 2 seperate people at DSS when i phoned that rent will be ok and arrears paid now. Woman in housing today is unclear about it but thinks it might be ok. I have not filled in a seperate housing form since going on assesment rate because I was told there was no need for it. I am going for a full appeal and have sent it in to them and also told them I was appealing last month when i failed medical so that is why i am gettting the assesment rate just now.

    Comment by Davscot — July 17, 2012 @ 1:50 pm

  412. Hi Davscot.

    Yes rent and council tax rebate is the same as Job seekers if you are receiving the assessment rate. Sometimes the DWP send the housing department a letter saying that you are no longer in receipt of benefits, they do this before you appeal (And probably after you appeal) to get the assessment rate, the idea obviously is to make your life as difficult as possible, and also give the impression that your housing benefit will not be paid.

    The housing association can only go on what the DWP tell them, and the information the DWP give them is deliberately left vague and uncertain, since the housing dept do get genuine letters from the DWP stating that such and such is no longer in receipt of benefits (Because they started work) then the housing dept can’t tell which ones are genuine and which ones aren’t.

    And because of the data protection act, it’s difficult for the housing association to contact the DWP and get the correct information.

    As you can see the data protection act can work for and against us..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 17, 2012 @ 2:12 pm

  413. Many thanks for putting my mind at rest. I put in 4 pages for my appeal and another sick note today sent 1st class recorded, so let the battle commence!
    Many thanks for what you do here, as you know, DSS tell you nothing but your advice is really good.

    Comment by Davscot — July 17, 2012 @ 10:45 pm

  414. hi, just looking though esa85 for appeal doctor states the examination did not show any signs of recurrence or spread of tumour,unless the good doctor has x-ray vision that enables him to see tumours that usually need specialist scanner to detect. god help us

    Comment by mikey — July 18, 2012 @ 4:03 pm

  415. So it all boils down to what it says on your GPs or consultants report then, the ATOS DRs opinion is just that, an opinion and nothing more..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 18, 2012 @ 8:49 pm

  416. Hi, How i wish i’d found this forum sooner!!! I’m off to tribunal tomorrow and i’m feeling so sick and anxious about it all, really isn’t helping with my medical health condition!!

    I just read anita’s comment (403) Everything sounds so familiar!! There are so many points that they overlook!!

    I really dont know if i’m prepared enough for tomorrow!! Do you know if they make their decision tomorrow?(on same day) Also is it straight to JSA if i lose at the tribunal?? So worried about it all :( Be grateful for any help.

    Comment by Leila — July 19, 2012 @ 7:14 pm

  417. Hello Leila.

    They will ask you how your health problems affect your ability to work, for instance how far you can walk, Stand, sit etc, it’s important that you answer the questions correctly and honestly and compatible with what you wrote on your ESA 50 questionnaire.
    Since it’s a points system, then your aim is to get the necessary points to qualify for the benefit, you need to get at least 15 points, if you can only walk 30 Metres/yards (Less than 100 Metres) then that will gain you 9 points if you can convince the panel that’s as far as you can walk before the severe discomfort you experience forces you to stop to recover.

    If the worst comes to the worst and they find you fit for work because you do not qualify due to not enough points then don’t despair because you still don’t need to sign on for JSA, instead you can re-apply for ESA again, as long as at least six months have passed from the date the DWP informed you that you were fit for work, you must also have a worsening of your condition or a new health condition.

    This means of course you will be put on the assessment rate and the whole rigmarole will start again with another ATOS test then found fit for work and another appeal, this is the best we can do at the moment, until we get rid of this dreadful company ATOS, we just need to all hang on until the day that happens.
    Log in here http://www.dwpexamination.org and read up on your rights before you attend the appeal hearing.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 19, 2012 @ 7:36 pm

  418. dwpexamination thank you so much for the advice, looks like i may have to sign onto jsa for a short period as it wont be six months until september!!! :S

    I’ll have a read now of the link you’ve put up. Many thanks.

    Comment by Leila — July 19, 2012 @ 8:53 pm

  419. Yes…As soon as the six months from the date the DWP found you fit for work arrives then you can come of the JSA and apply for ESA again, provided your GP agrees to give you a sickline.
    If the DWP ask why you are signing on then don’t even bother mentioning you are waiting for the time to expire, instead you can point to your letter from the DWP that says we recoginise you have an illness or disability but you didn’t get enough points and so the DWP decision maker says now I have to sign on.
    Let’s play them at their own game..!!

    In other words, just make out you are the most stupidest person that ever lived.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 19, 2012 @ 9:31 pm

  420. After asking for weeks for my medical report from them, i got 2 in the same week! Anyway, just checked as my sick note was a few days late thanks to the post office, but my assesment payment is in my bank as usual just now. Hopefully my rent arrears and rent will be getting sorted by now as that is the second payment i have had so far. Heard no more from housing so gopefully it is.

    Comment by Davscot — July 19, 2012 @ 11:45 pm

  421. Two reports in the same week ? just goes to show they don’t know their asses from their elbows, wait until the Government privatise the DWP though it can only get worse, one good thing, all those little DWP plonkers will have to get out in to the real world and find a proper job, and we will except no excuses, there’s plenty of jobs out there according to them so if they don’t get one immediately then they can be denounced as scroungers..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 20, 2012 @ 6:21 am

  422. Hear hear dwpexamination. i just thought id let you know i won my appeal for dla yesterday( high mob low care) now will this change anything on them making their decision for my esa claim or will i have to appeal that aswel.

    Comment by HONESTJOHN — July 20, 2012 @ 7:35 am

  423. Hi John.

    That’s great news, remember they will be back some day to try and take it away from you, you must be ready so stay vigilant.
    As for the ESA as opposed to DLA ? we have found if you had lost your appeal for say ESA then that report would go against you for other related benefits, but if you win your appeal for ESA then the report is forgotten.
    So you won your appeal for DLA, this doesn’t mean they will hand over ESA on a plate, they sometimes demand you appeal for that as well, but this time they can’t say you are not entitled because you failed to get DLA, and use a dodgy report against you.
    Expect to fight for ESA just in case, don’t forget DLA is a benefit that people in work can get, so they can still say you are fit for work and not entitled to ESA.

    The DWP will use any trick in the book, fair or foul to stop you getting any money, they need your money to give to their rich friends, they also have another incentive, which is to get those sick figures down by hook or by crook, and it’s usually a fight for every single penny.

    Any appeals you submit is going to be in your favour, because a panel has already agreed you are not fit and have health problems, this doesn’t mean you get ESA automatically, but it’s a good starting point to any appeal for ESA.

    If this man (See the link) can be refused benefits, then anyone can be refused help, it just shows that Cameron was lying his head off when he stood on the podium and said if you are ill we will look after you http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2012/07/19/fife-man-in-death-protest-over-benefits/

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 20, 2012 @ 8:20 am

  424. I lost my tribunal appeal :( really not in a good place, so confused as to what to do next!!! Effecting my 8 year old daughter as she’s getting worried with me crying!!! What happens now??

    Comment by Leila — July 20, 2012 @ 3:35 pm

  425. Dont quote me, but you can start again if you have a new illness or complaint. Sign on asap or housing benefit etc will be stopped. You get a sick note from your doctor if new illness and not sqme as one you were refused. I did that years ago when i lost as i didnt know you can appeal until too late. Dss wont backdate any money due either because you lost and wont pay you anything until you sign on and only from that date so dont leave it too late. Good luck…

    Comment by Davscot — July 20, 2012 @ 3:59 pm

  426. Leila..How long has passed from the time the DWP informed you that you were fit for work until the date of your appeal ?.
    I know you mentioned September ? then that’s two months on JSA, as I said on a previous post sign on and when the two months are up then re-apply.

    Don’t worry about losing your appeal, I lost my first one as well, but I didn’t give up and got 18 points on my second appeal, sometimes it just depends on who you get on the day, the appeal tribunals have their heartless brutes as well, but some of them are ok, as I said a lot depends on the day.
    So there’s no point in worrying about something you have absolutely no control over, just bite the bullet, sign on, and when the time comes if you don’t feel any better health wise then you have another option which is to re-apply.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 20, 2012 @ 4:17 pm

  427. For those just about to fill in their ESA 50 questionnaires, be aware, you have every right to have your assessment recorded, Chris Grayling says so in parliament, he has instructed the DWP to get the recording devices and get on with it.
    So do not take no for an answer, if the DWP/ATOS refuse to record it giving the excuse that the machines available have broken down then quote this article. http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jul/20/fitness-for-work-tests-technical-chaos
    As you can see, the DWP are denying all the machines are broken.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 20, 2012 @ 5:58 pm

  428. hi dwpexamination ive been scratching my head all day as i have recieved my esa decision and scored 0 points no suprise there.but after a few lenghtly phone calls i am totaly confused my next payment was due on monday but have just been told they have stopped paying me from ten days ago which is nice seeing as its the end of the month soon and im due to pay all my bills.
    but my sicknote is not due to run out til the end of august so i was arguing the fact that ive been on esa for 5 months and theyve been paying me way past the assement phase so why are you not paying me til my sicknote runs surely the cant do that where do i stand ?
    im begining to think they are just trying to cause me stress because ive just won my dla appeal and they dont like it

    Comment by HONESTJOHN — July 20, 2012 @ 7:18 pm

  429. ps to (429) the date theyve stopped paying me from is convienently before my dla win. i phoned on the same day and asked if they had made a decision on my esa the said they hadnt.
    two days later heypresto!

    Comment by HONESTJOHN — July 20, 2012 @ 7:46 pm

  430. Hello John.

    Your money stops on the date when the decision maker informs you that in his/her opinion (Based on the ATOS assessment) you are fit for work, it doesn’t matter to them how long the sickline is for, they can still stop your money.
    As I said earlier on, winning the DLA benefit means…well not a lot, so you need to appeal for ESA, your chances of winning are very good so get in there and get the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 20, 2012 @ 9:49 pm

  431. Thanks so much for advice, i’ve put in for jsa today. Have an appointment with them on thursday!! My 6 months from date of DM decision is in september!! Its all moved rather quick for me :/ So JSA for a few weeks it is!! Will keep you guys informed.

    I’ve been so disgusted at the stories i’ve read in last few days, I know it wont do much good but i feel the need to put pen to paper and write to my local mp!!!

    Thank you again for all your advice, i will stay here with you to keep up to date about the atossers!!

    Comment by Leila — July 20, 2012 @ 10:25 pm

  432. There are others writing to there MPs, so every letter counts, they all add up and keeps constant pressure on them, check and see if your MP has signed the early day motion 295 http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=atos%20early%20day%20motion%20295&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.parliament.uk%2Fedm%2F2012-13%2F295&ei=XOUJUPnFKeiL0AWmzpDfCg&usg=AFQjCNHtHL-dRcfrbJEIMTBz0E-mE41bEg&cad=rja if not write and ask your MP to consider doing the right thing and sign as soon as possible, you will see 83 MPs have signed it already.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 20, 2012 @ 11:13 pm

  433. thanks for all the advice dwpexamination their sending me a gl something or other and im to send my appeal with it im going to ask for the assesment rate.
    so will i need to send in a new sicknote even though my current one is valid til end of august? which the woman on the phone even told me.
    and how long will i be without money? as the dla people told me it will be about 4 to 6 weeks before i get my backdated.

    Comment by HONESTJOHN — July 21, 2012 @ 8:23 am

  434. Yes John that will be the GL24 appeal form, use that as a notification that you intend to appeal their decision to find you fit for work and when you receive the ESA 85 functional assessment report the rest of your appeal will follow on A4 paper when you have had a chance to study it etc.

    Sometimes the DWP ask for a fresh sickline and sometimes they don’t, since you have not been told to furnish them with a new sicknote, you can mention at the bottom of the GL24 ”Could you please advise on what date you would like the next sickline to start from, as you can see from your records I have supplied a sicknote that ends in August of such and such”

    By the way, never ever refer to a sicknote as a FIT NOTE to these people (Don’t give them the satisfaction), there is nothing fitnote about it, it is no such thing, it’s a sick note/line always has been and always will be.

    As soon as you get a letter of acknowledgement that your appeal for ESA is accepted then they start to pay you immediately, but by law they need to see at least an acknowledgment that you are appealing along with a sicknote, you will soon see whether you need a fresh line or not.

    The DLA backdate can be any time, but do expect six weeks or more, they like to make us suffer as long as possible, but you will get it eventually, patience is definitely a virtue when it comes to dealings the the DWP.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 21, 2012 @ 8:58 am

  435. many thanks again it really hits you hard when youve got three kids and the stress levels are high at the min but i can play the waiting game ive been doing it for a long while now whats another few weeks.
    ive had my esa85 since the first of june and have written a very lenghtly appeal and i found the best way to get your esa85 is to ring and ask for it 24 hours after your medical its been affective for me so far and it will deffinately help anyone about to undergo the whole procedure

    Comment by HONESTJOHN — July 21, 2012 @ 1:07 pm

  436. I found the best way to get mine was a subject access request, this gives them 40 days from the date they receive the request, 47 including it getting through the post and the DWP system. They used the same excuse on me twice for the same report in two phone calls. 1 a week after the assessment the other 9 weeks after the first call, “they have not received the report yet!” I knew this was BS for the second call as I had a letter saying that they had put me in WRAG for at least 4 weeks before the second call.
    You can fill this form in and post it to them


    You can fill it in on the PC so there is no excuse that they couldn’t read the handwriting you will have to convert it to a .doc or .docx or your free software’s own version and you can even sign it digitally.

    Comment by wildthing666 — July 21, 2012 @ 2:47 pm

  437. Your right that is a good way to get the report, but our point is we shouldn’t have to do that, we should get the report when requested.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 21, 2012 @ 3:06 pm

  438. im begining to think that dwp stands for dont want to pay!

    Comment by HONESTJOHN — July 21, 2012 @ 3:45 pm

  439. Hee Hee…Drongos, wallys and prats.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 21, 2012 @ 4:33 pm

  440. i have an apeal today and really worried sick ,ive suffered depression anxiety for last 5 years always passed my medical assesments until now….i suffer with panic attacks which keep me indoors ,even if they say im capable of working ,what happens when i cant go out doors with my illness ,is an employer going to put up with that ….im so sick with worry

    Comment by marie — July 23, 2012 @ 9:51 am

  441. Hello Marie.

    What do you mean you have an appeal today ? do you mean an appeal hearing ?.
    I hope you have some sort of support from your GP or hospital.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 23, 2012 @ 12:06 pm

  442. Watch CH4 at 8.30pm tonight, its about what we go through with the medicals etc!

    Got a letter from my local housing and they have started paying my rent and poll tax from the day it was stopped finally! Took them all this time with the threat of eviction and writing letters plus many many phone calls to get it sorted.
    Roll on the appeal because I am ready for them!

    Comment by Davscot — July 30, 2012 @ 2:51 pm

  443. Good evening is the above points system for ESA or DLA, i am desperate I have my DLA assessment Friday had ESA 2 weeks ago and have been put in WRAG group for 3 months have been on Benefits 15 years was retired medically from the NHS where I was a staff nurse.

    Comment by maria russell — August 1, 2012 @ 9:31 pm

  444. hi i wondered if you can help me i have been on income support went for a medical than found out today my money has been stopped because apparently i only scored 15 points what does this mean and how many points are you meant to score PLEASE HELP

    Comment by sharon — August 3, 2012 @ 11:34 pm

  445. Hello Sharon.

    You went for an assessment and you got 15 points ? it means you are entitled to Employment and support allowance.
    So you should be getting money to live on at the ESA rate plus the work component. You should also be entitled to other benefits like rent and council tax rebate.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 4, 2012 @ 3:48 am

  446. Hi dwpexamination,

    Thanks for the advice i will be in there office 1st thing monday morning. Do you know how much i should recieve will it be the same amount as income supprt.

    Comment by sharon — August 4, 2012 @ 7:02 pm

  447. Hello Sharon.

    Find out first whether you have to appeal for ESA or not, if you do have to appeal to avoid signing on for Job seekers allowance, then the assessment rate is around 142 pounds per fortnight, plus of course rent and council tax rebate. When you win your appeal the extra they owe you is all backdated to the date the DWP found you fit for work, since an appeal can take around 9 Months or more to be heard then this can amount to a pretty penny in backdate money.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 4, 2012 @ 8:48 pm

  448. hi dwpexamination

    Yes i do have to appeal i have picked up the gl24 form and have to get a sicknote from the doctors god knows what i have to put on the form im fed up with filling forms in.

    Comment by sharon — August 4, 2012 @ 9:59 pm

  449. hi dwpexamination had a few stressfull weeks you known stop your money stop your rent the usual (we are making it as difficult for you as posible)bs.but they have accepted my appeal and put me on the assesment rate until febuary 2013 as thats when ive been on esa for 365 days just waiting to see what happens now.

    Comment by HONESTJOHN — August 5, 2012 @ 11:14 am

  450. Let’s hope you win that appeal and get in the support group John.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 5, 2012 @ 2:04 pm

  451. Dear Sir
    I have been unable to work for many years after an 30ft fall resulting in mutiple spinal injuries, PTSD and depression. With the reforms set out for incapacity I received a letter 4 months ago telling me that on 28th december 2012 i would no longer qualify for ESA because I had completed 365days of entitlement. I have been on incapacity since 2001 because of the different difficulties I suffer with. On receipt of the letter I contacted the DWP and was told that I would automatically be assessed for ESA income related following the expiry date. My husband only earns £8800 per year and I thought that we would be ok becausehis earnings are so low . Following an application for DLA after my condition has worsened further I was told that the DWP representative had incorrectly advised me and that I should have appealed as soon as I got the letter telling me I had been placed in the work related group. But the messages have been very inconsistent. My interviewer at the job centre told me that I would be ok till May 2013? Each representative tells me differently.
    The DLA lady has told me to get a letter from my GP to ask for a new medical and appeal on the basis that my condition has worsened. Im very concerned because the she also says I wont qualify for any support at all and we have 3 children aged 1 2 and 4 and i can barely look after them let alone provide for them with trying to get a job because I just cant cope.
    we get tax credits but that will still leave us below the poverty line and I dont know what to do now?
    Kind regards and thanks for advice in advance.

    Comment by Nikki — August 6, 2012 @ 10:35 am

  452. Hello Nikki.

    Your husband does seem to be under the limit and you should qualify for income related, as long as your combined savings are below a certain level, if you do have savings then check that out.
    Since you have a good chance of getting into the support group then you should have appealed against their decision to place you in the WRAG, because if you are in the support group as opposed to the WRAG version of ESA then the 365 rule does not apply.
    Of course the DWP don’t tell anyone this, that’s just one of the reasons why they are putting people into the WRAG rather than the support gorup, hoping they will not notice and be happy they are getting at least something so don’t bother to appeal, then a couple of months later a brown envelope arrives with the awful news.

    So you should get proper advice and find out if it’s still possible to appeal against their decision (Although I suspect it’s to late, but worth asking anyway) and if not then apply again. Proper advice is a welfare rights officer or the Citizens advice bureau, or a solicitor who specialises in welfare benefits.

    Let me tell you something Nikki, and anyone else who happens to read this…DO NOT GET ADVICE FROM THE DWP, THEY ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS, THEY ARE OUT TO ROB YOU OF EVERY PENNY YOU HAVE. Instead go to the above quoted, or log in here http://www.dwpexamination.org and get all the information that’s possible to get, that’s real information about your rights and what you are entitled too and what you can expect in the future.


    Comment by dwpexamination — August 6, 2012 @ 12:24 pm

  453. Dear sir or madam
    I was actually told that no-one can receive ESA on health grounds for more than 365days lol So they are very naughty this is why i didn’t appeal the decision because i thought i had got the best decision available. They always put in the right to appealon paperwork even if you get the best outcome and i thought that it didnt make any difference after the telephone advice i was given. You are right i have had 4 different advisors give me differing information, If they had told me the truth I would have appealed their decision to put me in the work related group.Just a final question if you would be so kind as to reply once more? How many points do you need to be considered unwell enough to be in the Support group?
    You are very kind to give advice and good luck to you and all in the same boat xx

    Comment by Nikki — August 6, 2012 @ 4:39 pm

  454. Hi Nikki.

    Take it from me, it’s possible to get income related ESA, I know because I get it and so do thousands of others.
    What these people told you was criminal, in my opinion deliberate, that’s why I say you wise up and do your own research, because they will not help you, I know…It’s a disgrace.

    To get any kind of ESA that’s the WRAG or support group then one has to be able to get 15 points minimum.
    You can get these points on different descriptors in a tot up, for instance not being able to walk a hundred yards or two hundred yards, not being able to walk a hundred yards is 9 points, not being able to stand for half an hour will get you points and so on.

    The only thing you need to be careful of in the toting up is they no longer mix physical health and mental health, so 9 points physical and 9 points mental doesn’t get ESA.

    Once you understand that the DWP speak with forked tongue then it’s easy to work out what they are going to do next, it’s amazing that Chris Grayling wanted to ban a Ministry of Justice video because it says you are twice as likely to win an appeal if you turn up for an oral hearing rather than a paper hearing.
    So you see the Minister for Employment doesn’t want you to know your rights, he doesn’t want you to know that you are entitled to have your assessment recorded, he just doesn’t want you to know anything.
    So get to know your rights yourself because legal aid is going to be withdrawn from everyone and anyone who hasn’t been paying attention and doing their homework is going to get whacked.


    Comment by dwpexamination — August 6, 2012 @ 6:35 pm

  455. Well yet again i got another medical report sent to me. At last count, that is 3 or is it 4 they have sent and each one is exactly the same as the very first one i asked for and finally got it about 5 weeks after asking! Not bad after getting a threatining letter from housing saying i could be evicted if i didnt pay the 4 weeks rent i owed even though once the dss got their finger out and managed to grudgingly pay my assesement rate from the day it should have started from. No apology from housing of course! I noticed a programme on i think ch4 next monday about what they call scroungers on the sick or dole do to get the money they are entitled to. Might be worth a watch?

    Comment by Davscot — August 9, 2012 @ 1:35 am

  456. Hi Davscot.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the housing departments have all been told to start threatening people with the big stick, that’s just the Tory way.
    CH 4 next Monday ? well I suppose we will all have to watch it, I don’t expect any tips from the DWP on how to attain and maintain my rights though.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 9, 2012 @ 7:35 am

  457. esa, Jsa…..
    It’s not one party of Mps it government as a whole I’m working 25 hours a week =£160 I have £45 left after bills and I would get more on benefit
    I was taken off disabled living allowance…..so I lose tax credit….I have a detailed diagnosed (by doctors and specialists) progressive illness!
    Tribunals must have manic wands? it’s a piss take my grand father fought in Africa & D day to stop Hitler and here now gov’t remove disabled rights mine yours, ours!!! We pay for this crap 07999823293 mob 030630 hn

    Comment by rogerbeynon — August 9, 2012 @ 1:00 pm

  458. Can i just say that some doctors do report what you tell them..i had atos assessment in Chester and scored 18 points and what the doctor has written is true but with a few omissions.
    I would not agree that most doctors are at fault but it is the system they are working with. The problem we have is that labour would of done the same so we all have no friends in the labour party or any party when it comes to who to vote for
    Use the appeal system to the full and don’t let the Nazis get you down…my own doctor hates atos with a respectful disdain for the doctors doing the tests.
    And never ever try doing a appeal on your own as you do not know all the rules and by god they do…Get help as soon as you can…good luck all in these unprecedented times…

    Comment by awalker — August 13, 2012 @ 11:05 am

  459. Can i just say that some doctors do report what you tell them..i had atos assessment in Chester and scored 18 points and what the doctor has written is true but with a few omissions.
    I would not agree that most doctors are at fault but it is the system they are working with.

    I’m not being funny but tell me that after your next assessment awalker.

    The Nazis had a system as well, but it was all right because it was the system they had to work with, you know ? a pass the buck system, a hey ”It’s all their fault system so I don’t need to accept any kind of responsibility” because it’s the system you see, so I’ll question nothing and just mindlessly plough on regardless, because it’s all their fault, him/her over there, higher up in the food chain that ordered me to do it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 13, 2012 @ 12:30 pm

  460. point taken!!

    Comment by awalker — August 13, 2012 @ 7:17 pm

  461. iv got welfare rights coming in 20 minutes to go through the appeal papers with me. i should be 12 weeks pregnant today but sadly miscarrying………all the stress has finally struck me down :(

    Comment by jenny — August 15, 2012 @ 1:36 pm

  462. Hello Jenny.

    We’re sorry to hear that, hope welfare rights can do a good job Jenny, they usually do…

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 15, 2012 @ 2:36 pm

  463. welfare rights have just gone and im soooooo glad i called them!! she is really shocked at how much the HCP has contradicted himself etc and thinks i have proven my fitness for work is seriously limited!! so i should have my tribunal date before end of september. she said she knows though as soon as she walks in the room if your going to fail because of which judges are sitting there! also because the medical report was hand written and the original sent back to the hcp to re write due to the decision maker being un able to read it, she wants to see the original report because on the one i have here ALOT of things are crossed out and changed along with boxes being ticked, crossed off and others ticked sooooooo im feeling alot more positive about things now were also using photo evidence of my foot and leg swollen! definitely worth ringing welfare rights to help!!

    Comment by jenny — August 15, 2012 @ 4:22 pm

  464. Hi Jenny…End of September ? won’t be long now, yes I know about the panels, it’s true the Welfare rights people know who are the good ones and who are the bad.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 15, 2012 @ 5:36 pm

  465. yes end of september so intotal since hearing from the tribunal services it will be about a 11-13 week waiting for a hearing which isnt as bad as what i thought. she also says she will fight to get me in the support group but one step at a time. i really hope i win, the thought of having the back pay alone causes less stress too!

    Comment by jenny — August 15, 2012 @ 5:49 pm

  466. also she said even though its not permitted it was a very good idea to record the interview because now she says she is sure she can use it as evidence! a new thing has come in or something but she is going to double check before she confirms. on my report the hcp says the meeting lasted for 40 minutes but it was only infact 30 minutes from the minute we went in to the minute we left! so it will be brill if we can use it

    Comment by jenny — August 15, 2012 @ 5:56 pm

  467. im due to go for medical next week .i suffer from osteoarthritis rachiopathy radiculopathy and stage 3 kidney failure im on lots of meds and have back up of mri’s / scan xray’s plus support from my gp…but it was my consultants that told me in april that enough was enough and to stop work so does any of the above mentioned count when i go next week or don’t they take any of that in to account

    Comment by sue — August 17, 2012 @ 6:27 am

  468. Hello Sue.

    It’s been our experience and the experience of thousands of others that they don’t take any medical evidence in to account, even though they ask us to produce evidence.
    I believe the best way forward is to produce the x-rays and your GPs support at the assessment and show them, and one of two things will happen, they take a copy of everything you have or they glance at it quickly and hand them back, just make sure if they take copies of anything you show them that you get the originals back, you will have to sign that they were copied and they have handed them back. Don’t leave without them because you will never see them again, same with the DWP, copies and copies only, unless it’s a sickline, that must be the original, a copy will not be excepted.

    Ok, so you attend their fixed assessment (Remember dipatches, 84% must be found fit for work, ATOS said it themselves, this means if 100 attend with a brain tumour then around 84 must be found fit for work, come what may) so we can agree, the assessment is fixed, which means it has nothing to do with your illness or what you produce at the assessment, and everything to do with forcing you of benefits.

    So where do you fit in to all this ? well you play their game, you attend the assessment, you show the evidence, and if you are one of the 84% earmarked for the train to Auschwitz then you appeal.
    You have shown evidence, you have filled in their idiotic ESA 50 questionnaire,attended the assessment complied with their every demand, and now you want a copy of the ESA 85 and a GL24 appeal form because you do not agree with the decision makers conclusion that you are work fit.
    Of course if you are a head on a cushion then you should make the unfit for work 16% no problem and a visit here (That’s if one was capable) or any other sites or forums will be superfluous.
    Any help you need to appeal or find out what’s going on in our world can be sought here at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 17, 2012 @ 7:30 am

  469. I got a letter yesterday from dss who said my sick note for past 2 months was due to run out. Firstly, my sick notes are only for 4 weeks at a time, also dates they mentioned are completely wrong from the ones i have sent in. I have kept screenshots of each sick note plus date they get it via post office track and trace. They have a habit of stopping your money first then asking questions later so will be ready if they make a mess of mine again!

    Comment by Davscot — August 17, 2012 @ 11:58 am

  470. Hi Davscot.

    They don’t know their ass from their elbow..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 17, 2012 @ 12:25 pm

  471. hi its sharon again sent my appeal form and sick note in cldnt put much on appeal form as i still havent recieved the letter they said they sent out it has now been 2 wks with no money wot should i do ?

    Comment by sharon — August 19, 2012 @ 12:11 am

  472. Hello Sharon.

    You can send them a letter asking them if they have received your appeal and sickline which was sent on such and such a date. You can also give their office a phone and ask if they received your appeal notification and sickline yet. The letter is best but slow, the call is quick and fast with a serious major disadvantage, which is more often than not you get a muppet at the other end to speak too, fobbing you of with lies (It’s in the post type lies).

    There was a time, not that long ago, it wasn’t unusual to wait for months at a time for an appeal acknowledgement AND THEREFORE PAID, I once waited for nearly four months.
    It’s only been recently that the DWP have been paying out straight away, thanks to the works and pensions committee Sheila Jackson who asked the DWP representative publicly why people who are genuinely ill being punished twice ? as in having to go through this assessment then being punished again with their money being delayed for weeks and months on end.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 19, 2012 @ 7:38 am

  473. hi there been on dla and esa for 3 years then got all my re claim forms 4 months ago filled them in then last week my dla stopped after calling to find out why and been abit upset with them not sending me any letters i have a atos doctor coming to see me today im still get esa or i hope i do is there any other benifits i can get till i hear from dla to say yes or no??? really upset by the way i have been treated

    Comment by scaredscott — August 23, 2012 @ 10:42 am

  474. btw i have hiv and ks whjich i have chemo for which also play with my mind and was told that the dla need more medical reports

    Comment by scaredscott — August 23, 2012 @ 10:45 am

  475. Hello scaredscot.

    Are you getting ESA ? if not you can get the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 23, 2012 @ 11:16 am

  476. ok so atos come today he was late then said he tried to call not a good start was asked how far i could walk then told i walk that all the time to which i told him no thats how far i walk when i need to… was asked what handed i am????not sure what that has to do with anything was asked to stand up which i did with help from my carer was asked to walk with out my walking frame which i couldnt as was in pain when asked to sign a form i was asked if my signature had changed to which i said no as it was bigger cause passports only have a small space and i was well enough to sign small 9 years ago and the end after he said he had finished imy carer told him i go to counselling for it all which he then got the forms back out of his case and wrote on them!!! but thank you to this site i see things that where there to trick me and even my carer !!!! now the atos man said he is sending the form in tonight so i wonder how long till i hear from them now and what do i do in the mean time and what happens to my ESA does that stop soon to ????? not sure i can coup with all this by myself but will keep looking on this site to see what is happening out there and hopefully if it all turns out ok this end i will help you guys

    Comment by scaredscott — August 23, 2012 @ 2:28 pm

  477. hey yes i get ESA and it says im in a support group.its says “the amounts on this page apply from 14 april 2012″ but no end date i get 119-85 on it thank you so much for the help in understanding all that is going on i will pass this site on to many many many of my friends that are having the same upsetting problems with DLA/ESA

    Comment by scaredscott — August 23, 2012 @ 2:33 pm

  478. Hi scaredscot.

    So at the moment you get ESA, well that’s something.
    This assessment you had today, you say it’s a DLA assessment, how do you know ?, they might use this so called DLA assessment to deny you both benefits, a kind of double dunt. I do know one thing though, the Government are desperate to get everyone off both these benefits and are using every trick in the book to do so.
    But you really should be assessed for both separately, so that’s two different assessments.

    Don’t be surprised if you get a letter in the future saying your DLA has now stopped, be mentally prepared, if this happens then appeal immediately and not only that ask how they arrived at their decision and don’t forget to ask for a copy of the assessment report.
    Don’t forget either to get help from the Citizens advice bureau or welfare rights office.
    You can also visit the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org where they have people who are experts in dealing with the DWP an ATOS.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 23, 2012 @ 3:01 pm

  479. the letter i got the day after i rang the dla said”we have been asked by the department for work and pensions to arrage a medical examination to assist them in deciding youre entitlement to disabilty living allowance” but my dla had already stopped with no warning and only cause i looked at my bank last wednesday did i find out (water bill still not paid) then i called to be told have i not heard from the doctor(hcp) i said no then my carer rang to make a complant then hey i get the doctors letter but still no letter from dla saying the payments have stopped do you know how long it will take to get a answer good or bad the lady at dla(karen) i made sure i got her name and time!!! cause that it was there fault as my forms had gone in in march and i had not heard anything till the payment stopped…. they would rush my clam through !! erm not sure the word rush will ever be used between me and karen btw the atos man had only heard about me last week thank you for youre help and am ready to fight even with my walking aids in hand

    Comment by scaredscott — August 23, 2012 @ 3:30 pm

  480. Hello scaredscot.

    There’s no set time to hear from the DWP about your assessment, it can take a week or it can take six weeks, it’s ridiculous though that your money was stopped before you even had the assessment, I think they’ve made a mistake and are rushing someone out as fast as possible.
    You should take proper legal advice on this, welfare rights or the CAB.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 23, 2012 @ 10:10 pm

  481. thank you i will call the CAB today i thought they stopped everyones but i did think after ready this site that the hcp/doctor/vet/butcher was out to me faster than light maybe cause they rushed him out they will rush with my forms will keep you posted

    Comment by Anonymous — August 24, 2012 @ 8:45 am

  482. Yes interesting, keep us informed please..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 24, 2012 @ 9:34 am

  483. sorry that was me btw

    Comment by scaredscott — August 24, 2012 @ 10:11 am

  484. hi i posted in march about failing my medical i got no points and put on assesment rate for me and my husband !!
    my appeal was today i was awarded 33 points which i am very happy with… with u help i got the right help and was prepared for everything the advice shop helped me as did my husband ive been awarded employment support allowance with the support component i wonder if u can tell me how much that will be and will i get any moneyback from them i dropped from nearly £150 per week to £111 thank u so much for the help i went in and was truthfull and told them how my life is …keep up the good work heather

    Comment by Anonymous — August 24, 2012 @ 11:55 am

  485. hello again so sorry to bother you again
    So I went to the CAB with the problem that I’ll be considered fit for work in December despite multiple spinal problems PTSD depression and anxiety lol and that Ill no longer be entitled to ESA but after contacting jobcentreplus i was told that “NOBODY GETS ESA FOR LONGER THAN 12 MONTHS” which thanks to this site i now know is a lie and i subsequently went outside of my appeal 30 days because the JCP guy told me this was the best senario. CAB were very unhelpful and told me that despite the reason for the late request for an appeal it was against the law??? to appeal after 30 days and there was nothing they could do for me apart from giving me the details for my local MP??
    So I have written to DWP explaining i want the appeal as i was intentionally misinformed. But I wonder if this will work.
    Can you tell me more about welfare rights?? is this an organisation.
    Kind regards again, without this site I would never have known the TRUTH.

    Comment by Nikki — August 24, 2012 @ 7:10 pm

  486. Just one more thing…
    In examinations if you say you cannot dance to their tune ie it is too painful to stand from sitting and too painful to try what they are asking will this look like you are not trying and can they fail you on your medical becasue you say you are in too much pain to do something??
    Thanks a million again

    Comment by Nikki — August 24, 2012 @ 7:16 pm

  487. Hello Nikki.

    First of all I need to explain that there is two different ESAs there is contributory ESA and income related ESA, contributory ESA is time limited to a year and is also retrospective, the other type of ESA and is the more common is income related, this is not time limited. By the way, it doesn’t affect the support group of contributory, along with the support group income related then it doesn’t apply, and as I said it doesn’t apply to the WRAG income related just the WRAG contributory.
    I wanted to explain that because someone on contributory ESA may ask you if ESA is time limited to a year, and of course you want to be able to answer correctly.
    You ask about the assessment, and here’s what I can tell you, it’s totally irrelevant what you say at the assessment, it’s more a case of what you say at the appeal, the assessment is a load of bullshit, I know it, you know it, the assessors know it, and so do the decision makers themselves, we can move on to the tribunals as well, they all know it’s claptrap, and yes don’t let anyone fool you Iain Duncan Smith and his sidekick Chris Grayling knows it.
    Why is it irrelevant what you say at the assessment you may ask, well just suppose you were asked at the assessment ”How did you arrive here ?” you could answer well I ran here, and if asked what your hobbies are ?, you could answer well I love a bit of boxing, followed by a marathon run.

    So what is the assessor going to put in to the LIMA system ? that you actually ran there, no ones going to believe it, the tribunal isn’t going to believe it are they ? this is called ”The boy who cried wolf syndrome” in other words, once you/them/anyone are/is proven to be a compulsive liar you lose all credibility, no one will believe a word you say, and that’s what’s happening to ATOS, no one but no one believes them anymore, of course when you go to the appeal they will kid you on they are taking the ESA 85 seriously, but in their hearts they know it’s all a con, they just need to appear to go through the motions.
    You ask about welfare rights ? they are independent from ATOS and the DWP, they are paid by the local council I believe, and like the CAB are supposed to offer independent advice, they generally do, but there are some individuals who work for them that have - lets just say - a political agenda.
    So they told you that you can’t appeal after a month, that is correct, there are certain circumstances where the DWP will allow an appeal after a month, in your case since it was bad advice from the DWP themselves, in order for you to persuade them to allow your appeal then you have to prove it because you are accusing them of lying.
    I’m convinced because I know they are liars, but it’s not me you need to persuade, it’s them, so do you have proof, a letter ?, a recorded phone call ?. If not then you can still harass them, keep on their backs and demand an appeal, it might not work, but at least you will be making these bastards work for their blood money.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 24, 2012 @ 11:04 pm

  488. hi after an agonising wait i passed my medical (already posted that news ) will i get any back money ?? cant work that one out … i was on £145 per week then after failing my medical they dropped me to £111 now im going back up to about the same so do i get the back money ….very confused about this


    Comment by heather — August 26, 2012 @ 6:50 pm

  489. Hi Heather.

    You will get all the money they owe you backdated to the date the DWP informed you that you were fit for work, you need to be patient though, they are never in a hurry to give, they are always quick to take away though..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 26, 2012 @ 9:02 pm

  490. Advice required..in the last 6 months I’ve had a shoulder op and knee op..also suffer from rheumatoid arthritis..my shoulder is worse now than before the op and I have further scans a week on Tuesday.my knee has been rey swollen and sore since the opp on may 28th and I have another MRI due next Saturday.i should have been having my medical for ESA this Tuesday but last week they mailed me that they hadn’t enough medical staff and it’s now for a week on Tuesday.
    My specialist nurse from rheumatology says if I go back to work now I,ll undo everything the surgeon,physio and myself have done so far..I do physio hourly each day which is a must according to my surgeon and physio.
    I have consultants notes from an MRI on my ankle in feb where my talus bone in my ankle has now got a avescular necrosis.the bone is dying in areas..the ankle now has been attacked by arthritis.
    I’ve my rheumatologists letter to each surgeon stating his concerns post opp and also a letter from my surgeon telling I may need another op depending on scan results and that I Must Do my daily physio..
    Do I take these with me to my examination..
    I’m petrified…70 quid a week is not bailing us out but a big fat zero will push me over the edge I fear..
    I can’t wait to get back to work but rushing this in my opinion will give me severe problems in later yrs if not sooner.
    Being a painter and decorator I need to bend and kneel and stand and climb step ladder etc I can do neither and I can’t lift my arm above shoulder height
    My constant medication makes me sick and drowsey to the extent I don’t even drive anymore for fear of nodding of..plus my knee painfully clicks.
    Any advice gratefully received
    Many thanks

    Comment by Adrian Puckering — August 27, 2012 @ 4:14 pm

  491. thanks for all the help and advice all i have to do now is wait for the back money ….
    many thanks heather

    Comment by heather — August 27, 2012 @ 5:17 pm

  492. Hello Ady.

    Any medical reports you have make sure you show them it at the assessment, but copies only, never ever leave them with the originals because you will never see them again, letters and medical reports seem to go missing in ATOS/DWP type offices.
    If the worst comes to the worst and you have to appeal at least you will have the proof for the appeal panel, and even they should get photo-copies.
    Let us know what happens at the assessment Ady.

    (PS) The assessor will be a lovely person.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 27, 2012 @ 6:27 pm

  493. Will do
    I did go for an assessment to do with industrial injuries benefit and to be fare he was quite ammenable and it was a positive outcome.
    I take it this is a different kettle of fish ?

    The wife’s friends work for the DWP and they hate what’s happening,,they never drop any pointers thou as its not really their department
    They,VE basically said I,ll be passed fit to work..mi GP says even from a health and Safety point of view it’s a no-no
    I’ve never been a good sleeper but the 2-3 hrs a night now is doing my swede in :/
    All pointers to the interview welcome , surely I can’t lose any more sleep

    Comment by Adrian Puckering — August 27, 2012 @ 7:06 pm

  494. Hello Ady.

    The best way to look at it is ‘Don’t worry about something you have no control over’ and you will sleep better, meanwhile we on this Blog and our Forum http://www.dwpexamination.org are trying our best to do something to stop this cruelty, by signing petitions, writing to MPs and ATOS and the DWP and anyone who will listen, it’s been non stop for the last three years and we don’t intend to give up.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 27, 2012 @ 7:55 pm

  495. I scored 136 what does this mean am I eligible or not? I’ve never claimed anything before but now I have both a physical and mental illness and I need to.

    Comment by Julie — August 30, 2012 @ 9:31 pm

  496. Hello Julie.

    What do the DWP say on their letter ? are they giving you your lawful entitlement to benefits ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 30, 2012 @ 10:06 pm

  497. back to the letters from consultants etc!!! do you get score points for these ? will the assessor be the only one to see them or would they copy them for others to view to make their decision—got a cracking one from my rheumatologist today–only thing is it says in his opinion he will not be able to do his job until both issues are sorted (no doubt they,ll say i could do something else in their humble opinion)

    Comment by Anonymous — August 31, 2012 @ 4:50 am

  498. Hello Anonymous.

    If thousands and thousands of people are showing ATOS their medical reports when they are being assessed, and the majority of them still have to appeal…WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ?.
    So you don’t need to worry about anyone at ATOS seeing them, because no one will be seeing them or looking at them for any more than ten seconds.

    The medical reports are for the appeal panel, to demonstrate to them that you have medical evidence to support your reason why you are not fit to work. It’s best to demonstrate to the appeal panel that you supplied ATOS and the DWP a copy of your medical reports and still they denied you your benefits.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 31, 2012 @ 7:39 am

  499. Little update on my situation.
    I sent yet another 28 days sick to to the SS, sorry, DSS on 13th this month. Today, my payment was not in the bank. Thet trued to say it runs out end of September! They in their wisdom if you send a note in as I did on 13th say it runs out 13th next month, not 28 days from day it was issued!
    I sent a few days ago a photo copy of my sick note plus a copy of track and trace when they got it on 14th sept.
    I phoned 5 mins ago with all this info and after stuttering on the phone, he said he would contacy Derby who deal with itband phone me tiday.
    Bated breath waiting forvsome excuse from them yet again.
    If you have no IQ at all, can you get a job with them? Lol
    No wonder I keep a copy of everything I send them, not that they can understand English!
    Sorry for ranting on but they get my back up and I dont need this.

    Comment by Davscot — August 31, 2012 @ 8:15 am

  500. Re 500… So I’m on a hiding to nothing!
    When the examinations over what do I ask ? And what do I do?
    Because this no doubt is like many other folk on here a first for me in 30+years of working a first time experience
    I ain’t got a scooby doo what to expect or do!
    Does my money automatically stop if they decide I’m fit for work?
    If I’m still employed do they expect me to hand in my notice to a firm that’s stood by me for the last 2 yrs with my time off ? And take up a job sat on my asse where that will just make my medical conditions worse ?
    It beggars belief that 2 letters will state I need the time off to do constant physio so I can extend my working life as and when my conditions improve or if I need two x further surgical operations for someone who knows nothing of my medical background to say..you are fit to work !

    Comment by Anonymous — August 31, 2012 @ 10:47 am

  501. They’re doing it all the time, it never ends, constantly losing sick lines, GPs reports, just about anything they receive they lose.
    The most incompetent Government department ever..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 31, 2012 @ 11:42 am

  502. When the examination is over you will receive a brown enveloped letter from the Department of work and twats.
    It will say you are either entitled to ESA or not, if not you immediately appeal. You can start the appeal by asking them for a GL24 appeal form and a copy of your ESA 85 assessment report, once you receive them start looking through the report and you will see a festival of lies about you, don’t worry because that’s normal, start the appeal on the GL24 form and carry it on to A4 paper for the rest of the appeal submission.
    You will be required to supply the DWP with a sicknote dated from the day you were informed by the DWP decision maker that you were fit for work, just attache it to the appeal and don’t forget to mention you would like to be paid the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 31, 2012 @ 11:50 am

  503. Hi Jenny,

    So sorry to read what you have been through, and for your loss. I am watching your updates and really hope that you get into Support Group. I am also watching to see if your sectret recording will be allowed as evidence.

    Best regards,
    (on dwpexamination forum).

    Comment by Notwelliam — September 1, 2012 @ 1:17 am

  504. Well my payment never came yesterday in my bank. They said they last paid me on the 17th of august, which they did do, but have not got another sick note from me. I phoned them at 8.15am and asked what what was going on, was told someone would phone me before 5pm. I again phoned them twice before that to be told same thing. I phoned again at 4.45pm, using my free mins on my mobile and waited until 5.15pm with no answer!
    Finally I phoned Inverness at about 5.30 to be told I might get a crisis loan!
    They said it was too late to get one and if I needed money to get in touch with the police who will give me the number of an agency who might be able to help me!
    What about begging I thought?
    I will be on the phone when it opens at 8am on Monday to speak to a ‘supervisor’ , probably the cleaner, no pun intended to cleaners!
    I sent a copy of sick note plys track and trace a few days ago to them.
    I also asked is there any point in sending recorded delivery letters tonthem and they said no!
    I am sick to the back teeth with idiots who havent a clue and treat us like scum of the earth all the time.
    Luckily we had some savings so we are living off of that at this time.
    Can I take this further in complaining to a higher authority or what?

    Comment by Davscot — September 1, 2012 @ 12:03 pm

  505. Hello Davscot.

    Come on mate, you know it’s all a scam, they are all in on it, and sending them letters of complaint is like sending Hitler a letter saying ”Hey Dolf it’s terrible, are you aware the SS are burning, looting and shooting every one on sight ?.

    You could send a letter of complaint to your MP though, sometimes that helps, but the rest forget it there’s no point bar one ”YOU WANT TO ANNOY THE F**K OUT OF THEM” with that you have our full approval.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 1, 2012 @ 1:33 pm

  506. you are so right sums it a nut shell

    Comment by tina — September 2, 2012 @ 9:24 pm

  507. Well, after another 25 min wait i finally got through to some little hitler on the phone. She said sorry but they got my sick note on the 15th of last month but computer wasnt updated for some reason!!
    Was told someone would call me back today, where have i heard that before?
    I told her i needed it in my bank asap but she kept blaming the computer! People put data into computers or did she not know that? My car blew up last week (dont laugh) or i would have driven (forgot i have no money for petrol) the 30 odd miles to their main office and cracked up at them. Then again, that is what they want us to do. I have emergency electric in my meter about £4 left so hopefully it will last until they get their finger out. Why are they so thick and get a job yet others cannot who have brains?
    Sorry for the rant but they get me so angry and friustrated the way they treat us.

    Comment by Davscot — September 3, 2012 @ 8:01 am

  508. Hello Davscot.

    There’s nothing you can do but be patient, when you do get some money then keep some, as much as you can because believe me you are going to need it, going to need every penny. Imagine this was winter with £4 in your meter ?.
    By the way, three years ago when I sensed this was going to kick off I kept some money aside, just as well because I didn’t get a penny for almost four months, so start keeping some to get you by, the DWP don’t care if you starve or freeze to death, they just don’t do sympathy..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 3, 2012 @ 9:18 am

  509. Got a text saying my money will be in my account by 5pm. Result!
    Surprised they know how to send a text lol

    Comment by Davscot — September 3, 2012 @ 12:13 pm

  510. Well that’s time in my life I,ll never get back.
    Spend a couple of hrs yesterday sorting medical notes,letters from Consultants ,GPs Surgeons for the examiner to not even want to look at them this morning.
    I asked him why he didn’t want to look at them and he said he didn’t need to.
    Apparently it’s only a suggestion where it says in the leaflet take any info with you.
    He never even examined my knee,shoulder or ankle.
    He got me to do a bit of light moving with each and that concluded the examination..
    No doubt the 2-3 weeks they say for the decision will be just over a week when my next payment is due.
    What a bloody palarva to get thro to obtain a copy of the report…it must have cost me more than the tram fare just waiting on the line !!! …
    Rant over til the next process !

    Comment by Anonymous — September 6, 2012 @ 2:29 pm

  511. Hello Anonymous.

    He didn’t need too, yes the ATOS HCP said that to me as well, and I can go one better, when I appealed to the DWP I received a letter asking for any other medical evidence and they will take it in to consideration.
    What planet are these people on ? my reply was………..ARE YOU HAVING A LAUGH ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 6, 2012 @ 7:32 pm

  512. ^^^^^€€ When I rang JC+ yesterday afternoon, then going through that ridiculous process of registering ..and keying in bloody numbers I got some Pikelet on the end that sounded like he should have been off Gavin And Stacey…I asked him for a copy of the medical report and he went thro the security shite,,,,then says is there anything else I can help you with so I asked him why when I had a medical did the dr/nurse not examine the areas of problem ? I cannot answer that sir,that’s up to the individual, so I then asked why wouldn’t he accept any of my written statements from 3 surgeons,1gp and a consultant……they don’t have to its only a general request that if you have any to bring it with you for thm to look at..

    Comment by Anonymous — September 7, 2012 @ 4:07 am

  513. Jokers eh…It wouldn’t be that if it was him being assessed, he’d be one of the first to start screaming about his rights.
    Wait until the DWP workers start feeling the stress, have mental breakdowns, and head over for their fixed assessment, that’s when the proverbial will hit the fan..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 7, 2012 @ 8:42 am

  514. still waiting to hear anything from anyone 4 weeks with no money and no news :( cab is on there case and ive got to pay my carer as they stopped his money to all without warning thinking of having to let him go which means no home care for me not good as im looked after 24/7 but cant pay him after this week

    Comment by scaredscott — September 8, 2012 @ 7:52 am

  515. Hello scaredscott.

    What are you doing at the moment ? are you appealing an unfit for work decision ? have you appealed ? if so have you notified them you are appealing and sent them a sickline ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 8, 2012 @ 9:39 am

  516. hi guys,i went for a medical in april,waited 12 weeks,signed off,ive appealed against this,just got word off my urologist,he studied my scan,and says it looks like i have a recurrent of a hernia,i sent a copy to the dwp,do you think the dwp will go ahead with the appeal?,or see sense,lol,as if,and for once take notice of the specialist?,who says,i need another op.thanks.

    Comment by Anonymous — September 8, 2012 @ 12:42 pm

  517. I have servere ostroarthritis in my kight knee, I have been told by my doctor my knee is at the stage where it could need replacing. As I am 57 my doctor said I am too young and will have to wait at least 10 years. I am not on any benefit I have had to sell things in order to get a mobility scooter. I can not walk or stand for long. I am in consatnt pain with my knee it is swollen stiff and yet when I applied 4 months for DLA I got told I was not eleigable because I have limited walking. I have Atos medical again on Sept 15 but I can not put myself through this stress. I am under a lot of stress due to a family matter. If I did not have my Mobility scooter I would be house bound.
    My 1st appoitment with Atos should have been 3 months ago,I could not attend but informed them of the reason why. I had to put the reason why in a letter and they would consider it,just like you were a scool kid. I know I should go but I do not want to be ridiculed. I am not on any income at all. My precious husband is keeping me. I need a new knee for Gods sake how can they tell me I am fit for work. What is going on is so in human. I need to go fof this so called medical but why my x-rays proof I need a knee rpacement.
    For gods sake these people need stringing up. How they can sleep at night I do not know.

    Comment by Liz — September 9, 2012 @ 2:36 pm

  518. Hello Liz.

    Why haven’t you applied for Employment and support allowance ? for the first 13 weeks you will receive £71 per week, but sometime before that you will be called by ATOS, they will deliberately fail you, then you appeal (With our help, it’s easy) and when you win the appeal you get all the money they owe you backdated. There’s no reason why you should receive no income, ESA is yours by right.
    Get help with all your rights here http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 9, 2012 @ 8:16 pm

  519. hi folks thought alisingid share my good news with you all and give some of you hope that there is light at the end of the tiring marathon we have to run; thanks to this bloody government.
    back in march after been awarded employment and support allowance contribution based and been placed in the wrag group and not been very informed of the consequences what would happen after 1 year and feeling really poorly at the time and in a lot of pain; fibromyalgia’ spondylosis with radiopathy multiple inflammatory osteoarthritis depression i did attend the medical with an atos health nurse [female] she said after half an hour she thought i should go home as she could see i wasnt up to been examined’ after realising they were expecting me to work after a year’ and taking advice from the job centre plus advisor at the first interview she thought i should appeal for the support group.i wrote to them it was well after a month but explained id been too poorly to act sooner/ i went to our local cab’ were i got a no nonsence female advisor who said she would take my case on but didnt hold much hope i was gutted as i have a husband who woWENrks full time, I DECIDED to ask them first to consider me for the support group after which i realised it was just going to delay things in their favour i should of said i was appealing that was back in february/march my weapon was i am in constant pain walking just a few steps which i am and have always told them that They only gave me 9 points for walking apparently and you need 15 ponts for 1 descriptor to go into the support group so they told me on 17th august when they rang me to tell me thed changed t whichhe decision in my favour on the grounds they decided i should of been given 15 and not 9 points and it wasnt going to appeal so you see this 84per cent fail thing is probably very true they just must hope most of us are thick and have no bottle to appeal so folks play them at their game and fight for yourself there only human like ourselves the key is if you no you are incapable of not doing a job because like me to lean forward even to eat a meal at a table causes severe pain and writing with a pen hurts your arthritis hands and fingers fight the bastards but get all the exact facts right and youll win good luck to you all ps i worked for 20 years at ASDA and they asked me if i wanted to retire due to ill health i had no option i received 2ooo pounds which i bought a mobility scooter and paid off some debts comment by DEE.

    Comment by dee 10th september 2012 — September 9, 2012 @ 11:39 pm

  520. Just got my phone bill.When I last called Dss because they made a mess of my payment, I was on hold for 32 mins, cost just over £2! Total bill for calling them 5 times was £4.65!
    Last time it was just over £10! This is getting out of hand with these idiots!

    Comment by Davscot — September 9, 2012 @ 11:40 pm

  521. its me again dee/ i did mean a no nonsense female cab advisor lol just cant spell lol when i read it back it didnt read right looked to me like i had put nonse it was just a misspelling lol by for now good luck to you allx

    Comment by dee 10th september 2012 — September 9, 2012 @ 11:49 pm

  522. Hello Dee.

    Your right there, they know you will win the appeal, and that’s the reason you are now in the support group, the DWP have been told by Iain Duncan Spliff to see if they can reduce the number of people winning their appeals because it’s making him look bad.
    They will try it on in the future some time so be ready to deal with them, by the way allowing something and then harassing is part of their wear us down policy.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 10, 2012 @ 4:25 am

  523. Hello Davscot.

    Not content with taking money of you they want to make money of you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 10, 2012 @ 4:26 am

  524. Hello,
    I did apply for ESA last year I did get it than I went for my Athos so called medical. I got zero points I did appeal and got no where. I had to sign on. I did not get any money because I had only worked 7 hours a week. I could ride my electric bike then. My condtion got worse I had my knee x-rayed to be told my knee needs replacing. I did sign on every week but got so low and depressed I stopped going. So when I got told about my knee I replied for ESA. I only get my stamp paid. I applied for DLA and got turned down they used what was said in the Athos medical. Athos said my condtion had NOT got worse when it has. I am servely depreesed because of a on going family matter which I can not go in to. You would all be crying if I did. I have this morning made another appoiment with Athos they wanted me to go to Manchester. Manchester is to far to travel on my Mobility Scooter. So they have given me Stockport on 24 September. I got told make sure you attend because you will not be allowed to change your appoitment again. So here we go again. I am not really up to it. I do not want to be treated like every one on here.It is wrong. Weather I go or not is a different matter.

    Comment by Liz — September 10, 2012 @ 9:55 am

  525. You should go Liz, because you have nothing to lose, the assessment rate is the same as job seekers anyway.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 10, 2012 @ 12:30 pm

  526. I will go but the out come will be zero points. They do not take into consideration that there are is not a job for me. I have no transport only my scooter. I can not use public transport. It is wrong wrong on every count.

    Comment by Liz — September 10, 2012 @ 12:57 pm

  527. Everyone just about receives zero points, even people with cancer and brain tumours.
    If your out in your scooter and you happen to see any of them then you have my permission to just run the bastard over…

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 10, 2012 @ 1:12 pm

  528. I feel I will be just going around in circles. These things are in human. I would love to run them over, but you know what the inocent all ways suffer.
    My dad bless him and all the soldiers fought in the war so we could have a decent health service and a good welfare state.Now I need both I can not get it. I am suffering with my knee.I can not have a replacement cause I am too young and I can not claim bugger all. I have paid in to the system when I was working full time. Now when I need help I get nothing. It is about time something was done. I am tired fed up browned off and pissed of sorry.

    Comment by Liz — September 10, 2012 @ 1:26 pm

  529. So when I go in 2 weeks I will beridiculed and made to do things I do not want to do. Why they should be charged this must be a crime what is happening. There are people worse of them me and they do not get it,so why am I going to waste my time on them morons. They should know the problems Severe Osterotrhrintis can cause, sorry can not spell at the miniute becasue I am fed up..

    Comment by Liz — September 10, 2012 @ 1:31 pm

  530. DWPexamination Said:

    “If your out in your scooter and you happen to see any of them then you have my permission to just run the bastard over…”

    You crack me up, mate.

    Comment by William — September 10, 2012 @ 2:55 pm

  531. Hello Liz.

    You need to understand what’s happening, they know you are not fit for work, it’s all a con, this assessment is deliberately designed to force us to appeal or go and sign on, virtually no one passes the test, the idea is some will appeal and win and the rest will go and sign on.

    So then, just go to their fixed assessment, then once you are informed by the DWP that you are fit for work then you get a GL24 form and your ESA 85 and appeal against their decision.
    And by the way, at the assessment they cannot force you to anything you do not wish to do, if asked to do so then you just say sorry but I can’t do that, they will respond by entering in to the LIMA system that ”CLIENT DECLINED” which just means client could not or would not, it’s deliberately ambiguous, but isn’t fooling anyone.
    So cheer up as I said you are not alone, none of us wants to go, but we just have to go there’s no real alternative at the moment.
    You an go here as well and get great advice to help get you through this http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 10, 2012 @ 3:33 pm

  532. Can any one help me i was on dla for 7 years for paranoid scotzophrenia and a manic depressive my meds however was stopped in 2007 due to my pregnancy at that time,i havent claimed dla for 2 years almost now as my last one got refused (no medication) they then left me on income support as i am a single parent, my youngest daughter turned 5 this year so they want me to go for a medical at the end of this month ?? i rang advice line for income support benefits and asked why i had to go on this and they said as my daughter has turned 5 i should be claiming jsa? i get child tax credits for them, i then explained that i havent received sick benefits for 2 years (dla) so the guy said we can see thsi but still need you to go for a medical due to the previous health conditions to see if your still entitled t income support now your daughter has turned 5 or if you should be claiming income support? someone please help me on this. I also still hear voices but dont take anti physcotics due to the side effects and having to care for my children however i do take medication for anxiety and panic disorder and for depression. what will i need to take to my interview should i even go ? or just claim jsa ?

    Comment by just another number — September 11, 2012 @ 7:37 pm

  533. Hello just another number.

    Go for the assessment, and take some written (Copies not originals) support from your Consultant or GP, if you don’t have that then don’t worry, you can still go and be assessed, if ATOS/DWP find you fit for work then you can appeal, since you get the same deal (Money) on JSA as you do when appealing then you can see it’s worth it to appeal.

    When you attend the assessment they will ask you questions on your mental health, make sure you tell the ATOS HCP that you still hear voices etc, tell them everything that relates to your health (Panic disorder-depression, in fact the lot) and don’t be shy.

    By the way we can help you with any possible appeals, what form to get etc, so don’t worry about it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 11, 2012 @ 8:15 pm

  534. Got my report back here…how many points do I need again…can’t believe all the zeros that correspond to tasks I didn’t even do ! .?? By that I mean get asked to do :/

    Comment by Anonymous — September 12, 2012 @ 12:47 pm

  535. You only need 15 points, but unless you are a head on a cushion…..!!!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 12, 2012 @ 2:54 pm

  536. Jus keep given me low rate care yet my whole family rally round bottom wiped helped in an out bath. ,hair done every day before I go out. Can’t bend ta pik up any thing I’d fall an loose my balanse but still da say. “Icant prepare ameal. ” Who cares about dat all cums iceland an stik in mico. Lol idiots

    Comment by thelma. — September 12, 2012 @ 3:45 pm

  537. Don’t know what to think now..got 3×6′s…totalling 18
    Is this all I need and what happens now?
    Will the job centre plus or DWP be in touch ??

    Comment by Anonymous — September 12, 2012 @ 7:57 pm

  538. Anonymous…It all depends on whether you are on the support group or work related group, the work related group have to attend work focused interviews if asked, the support group have the option of attending WFI only if you wish.
    You will get a letter from the DWP explaining what is required, if you are not happy with the WRAG (Provided that’s where they put you) then you can appeal to be put into the support group.

    Yes, as I said you only need 15 points.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 12, 2012 @ 9:01 pm

  539. i recently had a medical i faild it & now i dont no what to do i suffer with blindness in right eye thyroid truble hernia ibs & p.t.s.d. mental health im currently on 34 tablets aday & i just found out today when i got the letter saying thay will contact me soon to arrange a back to work interview my p.t.s.d. has went right up thru the roof & my head feals as if its on fire & about to xplode & my chest is killing me the best part is back in april i sent back a form for dla i got a letter back from them saying im totaly unfit for work so thay will keep paying my dla but the other side of them lot say im fit for work when im far from it best part is my cpn has just retierd so i dont no who to turn ta for help & im sure theres a lot of people out there like myself X

    Comment by Anonymous — September 16, 2012 @ 12:53 am

  540. Anonymous…You need to appeal against that decision, you can start by phoning the DWP and ask them to send you on a GL24 appeal form and the ESA85 assessment report, read the report and compose the appeal.
    Don’t forget to contact your GP and get a sickline, if you want to appeal you need a sickline, if you don’t bother to appeal they will think you agree with them and you may find your DLA is affected as well, so start tomorrow and get in there.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 16, 2012 @ 7:43 am

  541. thankyou very much for your advice im seeing my doctor at 5pm monday 17th september 2012 i just wish i had my cpn still she was a god send to me she was there for me when i needed her the most sad to see her go & my ptsd has been realy bad now last few days it hasnt been this high in a very long time but it makes me stop think just how many are realy out there that are going thru this crap if the govenment stopd takeing our cash to put in there own pockets then mayb we this world wouldnt be in such a mess the way it is i no i shudnt lay down & take it i shud fight back but im just sick of it all & dont think i can fight anymore but your advice is very well thankyou for your help & support

    Comment by Anonymous — September 16, 2012 @ 9:58 am

  542. signed off last week after 16 years with arthritis in back and neck cannot walk far or sit ,stand without severe pain i had to give job at postoffice up i have D L A mobilty went to sharp advice told cannot represent me as i had no points can anyone advise thanx brian

    Comment by brian tulip — September 16, 2012 @ 4:34 pm

  543. Brian, were you assessed for ESA by ATOS ? If so, send the DWP a letter and ask for a GL24 form and a copy of your assessment report that ATOS send them, don’t mess around, you can phone them but it’s unreliable.
    Study the report and see where you disagree and appeal on the GL24 form.
    For good information and help go here http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 17, 2012 @ 11:49 am

  544. hi yes it was atos for esa thanx for advice

    Comment by brian tulip — September 17, 2012 @ 12:03 pm

  545. Hello, Can I just check that the point system you so is correct?

    I’ve just had a phone call from the DWP saying “I’d failed to qualify as I scored no points!

    I suffer from a crumbling spine, worn discs and joints, arthritis, depression and nerve problems! I have to use crutches to walk and can only manage small distances before stopping, I’ve been like this for the last 20 years and they stop my benefits know? looking at the point system I should of had 15 just for tuning up!

    I’m so angry that these idiots can mess us about like this!!

    Comment by Steve Webb — September 18, 2012 @ 3:02 pm

  546. Hello Steve.

    You can see what they are trying to do, you are not the only one, they are doing this to everyone, and their motivation is to force you to appeal and live on reduced benefits while you wait for months for the appeal to be heard.
    It’s cruel, but that’s what they are doing and getting away with, in fact they’ve been doing this for over three years, picking people of one by one.

    This is a strategy that’s difficult to cope with because they rely on the self preservation principle, what that means is they rely on the I’m all right Jack attitude, and people are falling for it, they see others being taken away to Bergen-Belsen but think it won’t happen to them so stay out of it, kind of like ”Don’t want to rock the boat” but they are never going to leave us alone, we have to get that in to our heads, and start doing what we have been doing for the last three years and that’s fight them, sign petitions, demand a recorded assessment, complain by e-mail and letter to newspapers, MPs, and anyone who will listen, refuse to take crap of them, join our sister site and learn your rights http://www.dwpexamination.org yes you have every right to be angry, so you should be, but channel that anger in to trying to do something positive, no matter how little.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 18, 2012 @ 5:50 pm

  547. Hi dwpexamination
    Just a few words to thank you for all the help you do here. When I got the usual 0 points, I didn’t know what to do or who to turn to. You helped me by telling me what to do and I am waiting to go to an appeal board and looking forward to it.
    You have helped so many here and don’t get as many thanks as you should do, just thought I would maybe start the ball rolling..
    All the best and I will keep you informed of my progress…or lack of lol

    Comment by Davscot — September 19, 2012 @ 1:33 am

  548. Cheers Davscot, keep us informed of your progress that’s the important part..!!

    Oh and good luck mate.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 19, 2012 @ 5:44 am

  549. I was phoned by DSS today about my forthcoming appeal to see if any changes. I told her the truth my condition has got worse and we are judged guilty before found innocent but although sympathetic she said it was new govt guidelines .
    I asked how come I wasn’t judged about how I was on the day of the examination , rather, their words, I quote, ‘on previous history’. That history was 4 years ago! She said that shouldn’t have happened and to bring it up. Told her I am taking it all the way and look forward to presenting my case.
    Still can’t tell me when my appeal will be heard but at least finally it is getting sent away after waiting months….

    Comment by Davscot — September 19, 2012 @ 3:52 pm

  550. Hello Davscot.

    She can’t tell you because she doesn’t know, the tribunal service themselves don’t even know until a couple of weeks before your trial, oops I mean your appeal hearing.
    By the way, they don’t call it the DSS anymore, it’s the DWP, they didn’t like the words ”Department of social security” because it portrays images that you are entitled to something from the state, they want to get away from that image that they have to look after you, therefore the name ‘Department of work and pensions was conjured up by some bright spark in whitehall.

    Notice the very important word WORK in there, this word was placed in there deliberately and explains how they think now, not thinking of your security but of your work and how your going to achieve it, a small change in wording but no accident and was well thought out.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 19, 2012 @ 5:39 pm

  551. Hi can someone please help me I have cared for my husband for many years his DLA runs out 3rd Dec got form I filled it in I am his appointee he was on low mobility and high care today we got his decision low care no mobility I care for my husband 24/7 he suffers Agrophobia,Anxiety Panic Disorder,Severe Incontinence.My husband has to be cared for in every way possible in both Toilet and Bathing needs and I go through this daily(5x takes 30-40 mins)and nightly(3-4x 30-45 mins) my husband is 17 st so takes a while.He has been awarded only low rate because you need help to prepare a meal WTH on the next page it states Day Attention help needed -get in and out of bed,wash and dry yourself,dress and undress,manage your meds and communicate Night Attention you can manage your own toilet needs HE CAN MANAGE YOUR TOILET NEEDS-YOU DONT NEED WITH YOUR PERSONAL CARE MORE THAN ONCE OR FOR 20 MINS OR MORE AT NIGHT WTH he needs help in the daytime but not the nighttime,while reading some of the comments on this site I noticed a lady Thelma got the same decision.I am going to phone DLA on Mon for a GL24 form I can ask for a copy of the decision cant I.WELL DONE TO YOU ALL ON THIS SITE KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK

    Comment by MARYDOLL — September 22, 2012 @ 6:38 pm

  552. Forgot to add awarding low care does that mean I have to sign on for JS am 55 if so who will look after my husband and his constant needs and irrational behaviour, will they pay for someone to look after him, no chance he would freak out if a stranger came into our home,his life is me and on occasion when our family have to come over and look after him if I have an appointment,am worrying myself sick with worry :(

    Comment by MARYDOLL — September 22, 2012 @ 6:53 pm

  553. Hello Marydoll.

    You husbands situation is very complicated, but we have experts on our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org just register and log in to the general discussion page and ask away..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 22, 2012 @ 7:54 pm

  554. Hi everyone after not recieving any money since 21 july i had a text message yesterday saying that they will be paying me £71 a week until my tribunal and the money will be in my account within 3 working days not getting to excited but work out they owe me about £700 woohoo the advice i have got on here has been amazing thanks very much and i will be asking more questions when i have to go to this tribunal as i havent got a clue what happens there many thanks xxxx

    Comment by sharon — September 22, 2012 @ 10:39 pm

  555. please can anyone tell me what the 365 day rule is. i put my tribunal papers in may i have been told i will have to wait about three more months.

    Comment by Anonymous — September 23, 2012 @ 7:22 pm

  556. Hi Anonymous.

    The 365 rule applies to contributory ESA, and ends after 365 days, so if you have a partner who earns over £149 a week or you are over a certain amount in your bank account then your ESA in effect stops, it does not apply to the support group of contributory ESA, it only applies to the work related group.

    But if you are on income related ESA then your ESA does not stop but continues as long as you are eligible, in other words it’s means tested.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 23, 2012 @ 7:44 pm

  557. 3a Cannot sit comfortably 15 Points

    That’s good to know, how many points in total do you need?

    They chose to totally ignore me or just outright lie on this very issue and said I can comfortably sit or stand for more than an hour !!,

    I went there with over 20 years of recorded back pain which got far worse after a failed back operation about 8 years ago, I am never comfortable, sitting, standing or lying down, never. I told them I can’t sit for more than about 15-20 mins in a normal chair, 45 mins to an hour in a comfy car or can’t stand more than about 10 mins without having to keep moving around, I can;t even stay upright for much more than a couple of hours at a time even if I’m not even doing anything.

    I was signed off in about 2003 and then the jobcentre sent me to an Atos doctor in about 2005 and he signed me off for over 5 years but in all I have been off work since about 2003

    Since this new points system these “Doctors” now decide I am fit for work! and gave me 0 (ZERO) points

    These people are unbeleivable !

    Comment by Max Pain — September 24, 2012 @ 3:54 am

  558. Your not alone, they’ve been doing this for nearly four years Max, lying and cheating and fabricating medical/functional assessments, then when the person phones up the DWP to ask what they can do for money because I can hardly walk ? then instead of telling the truth you can appeal Sir/Madam against that decision, they say instead why don’t you sign on for work because the Doctor said you haven’t got enough points.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 24, 2012 @ 6:05 am

  559. A few words of encouragement for all those currently sick with worry!
    Early this year I experienced the very same as 100′s and 100′s of others just like you.
    Had my “Medical Assessment” and was deemed fit for work with only 6 points awarded.
    I fought, appealed and took it to tribunal. I was only in there a matter of 10 mins and was awarded 24 points?!
    The moral of the story is don’t panic and fight it all the way. The courts are usually very reasonable, my case was almost laughed out of court as my assessment was just utterly made up.
    My advice is keep calm, get in touch with welfare rights for all support you can get. The welfare rights officer who helped me was invaluable with advice of what to, and not to, concentrate on with regards to my evidence.
    If you have a good relationship with you GP, Physio’s or other healthcare workers it also helps.
    (It’s hard for the tribunal to ignore written reports from these types)

    If your claim is genuine, you have nothing to worry about, I realise it seems much easier to say once its over but it is true. All the waiting is excruciating I know but persevere!
    Get your case together well and take it all the way. It’s important to keep your evidence organised and concise. Leave nothing unturned or open to scrutiny ( welfare officer should be able to help with this)

    BTW I’m fully expecting in Jan/ Feb to start with the whole ridiculous process all over again.

    Keep on keeping on!

    Comment by Dan Pickard — September 24, 2012 @ 8:40 am

  560. Thanks for that Dan, no one should give up, that’s what the Government want, the welfare rights and CAB are doing a great job especially when they are snowed under as they are now.
    Good to see you are on the ball as well, it’s true, they will be back, in my case it was a white letter from ATOS demanding I attend another fixed assessment just two months after I won my last appeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 24, 2012 @ 8:47 am

  561. Google about a ‘nurse’ employed by ATOS who lied for over 3 years about people who were ‘fit for work’ and now she feel guilty about it and is off and in benefits herself!
    If you have a finger you can work according to her at the time!
    It is in the Scottish Daily Record newspaper today.

    Comment by Davscot — September 24, 2012 @ 10:53 am

  562. Hi All, I had my letter arrive on Friday, I must admit I didn’t want to open it as i knew what was in it, so my wife did. We read the mini report they put in, what a joke! it was just a catalogue of errors, miss interpretation, and lies! The “nurse” had put she had carried out a full medical on me, she never came within 6 feet of me!

    Also, she had put that i could walk 200mtrs!she saw me walk about 12ft with crutches and I nearly fell over!
    I’ve never said or demonstrated that I can walk that far, as I can’t, I’m in constant severe pain and can only walk a few steps.

    These people should be found not fit for purpose or shot!

    I am going to appeal but it does say on the DWP website that you can ask to have your case reconsidered with supporting evidence, has any one tried this first?

    Many thanks

    Comment by Steve Webb — September 24, 2012 @ 2:07 pm

  563. To save the googling, here’s the link.


    Comment by dwpexamination — September 24, 2012 @ 2:09 pm

  564. Hello Steve.

    You can have it reconsidered if you like, but so far there’s been very little success, the reason they ask for this extra evidence is because the works and pensions committee asked them to do it, but it’s just paid lip service too by the decision maker and mostly discarded, it’s all a con to gain them extra time.

    Things are looking up though, a good article to help us appeared in the Scottish Daily record today http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nurse-makes-heartfelt-apology-after-1340838

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 24, 2012 @ 4:02 pm

  565. hello

    Thanks for your reply. I’ve read the article I must say nothing surprises me any more unfortunately it might come to late for some!
    I had similar problems with the DLA a few years back.

    What should I do know? Appeal obviously, do I or should I include anything with the GL24? I’m off to see my GP tomorrow to get my sick note and have a chat about getting their support and I’ve also got an appointment with my Consultant soon.



    Comment by Steve Webb — September 24, 2012 @ 4:48 pm

  566. Steve..When you appeal they always claim to reconsider it anyway.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 24, 2012 @ 5:18 pm

  567. Hello,
    I went to the fiasco medical. I now look forward to nil points,
    I was asked can I read? have you got any family? Whats to her the noisy cow.
    How often do I see them and for how long.
    I was in for 10 mins.
    She said I want you to do some exercises for me,well I did not know I was going to the gym. Exercises as follows raise your right ,hand now your left.
    Sit on the bed and raise your left leg now your right ehich I could not do,
    My problem is my knee it need a new one.
    I was asked how I got to the centre. I told them my husband took a day of work which he did so he could put my mobility scooter in the car. I was going to go from home but the weather was fowl. I went in side the medical centre on my scooter.
    I am sure it is against human rights what they are doing.
    I will let you know when I receive the letter which will say nil.

    Comment by Liz — September 24, 2012 @ 5:30 pm

  568. Hi Liz.

    If the worst comes to the worst then of course you appeal immediately, we can help, and can help on our sister site as well, so please pay it a visit and learn your rights.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 24, 2012 @ 7:01 pm

  569. I would just like to thank this website for its advice. Without you i would never have been able to appeal my 365day decision. I wrote a while ago and told you that jobcentreplus informed me NOBODY GETS ESA FOR LONGER THAN A YEAR!! AND THERES NO POINT APPEALING!! and i believed them. this website told me otherwise and although my appeal was a month out of time, after complaining and complaining to my local appeals team they are willing to hear my appeal after all THANKS SO MUCH!!
    I also has an ATOS home medical for War pensioner mobility today. LOL the above article in the paper about the nurse was very helpful!! everyone should tell them they cannot make it into “medical centres” and insist on Home medcials instead. Im sure that would drive them crazy!!!! and by the way i wore no make up was dressed in tracksuit bottoms and had no toddlers in tow!!! lol i did insist she take a written list of my symptoms and how they affect EVERTHING meds and gp records. I told her that i didnt want any information misrepresenting or forgotten and she took copies of it all.
    It zseemed to go well but i’ll wait for the results and get back to you.

    Once again if it weren’t for websites like this I would have been ill prepared and they would most certainly discard me on the scrap heap

    CHEERS!!! xxxxx

    Comment by Nikki — September 25, 2012 @ 12:13 pm

  570. Hello, I have been reflecting on my medical yesterday.
    I have severe ostro arthitis in my knee,this is on my sick note.
    So why was the 1st question asked of me was are you still depressed?.
    I am begining to think I have not been assessed correctly.
    When I was depressed last year with my suicidal son this was on the sick note,but not now. The most recents sick notes have severe ostro arthritis.
    I was asked can I read can you drive can you dress your self. I do not understand.
    The female doctor seemed charming,all I could think was why are you being false and how could you do this to your fellow man.

    Comment by Liz — September 25, 2012 @ 12:25 pm

  571. Hello Nikki.

    It just goes to show that the DWP have no interest in helping anyone to attain their rights, we recognised that over three years ago and decided to help anyone who asked us.

    The DWP and ATOS don’t like us helping people, in fact we had someone called Sarah on this site on a different (Atos medical assessment centres page) page who indicated we were helping scroungers and we were racists because we mentioned that we were the next Jews, her reasoning was if you are genuinely ill or have a disability there was nothing to fear from the DWP or ATOS.
    Trying to explain to her was fruitless, she hasn’t a clue what’s in store for her, it’s really quite sad that some people are so brainwashed by this Government and the Daily mail they will believe anything they say.

    Anyway, now that you are on the support group, ATOS and the DWP will be trying to get you off it on your next assessment, which might come sooner than you think, so prepare now, get to know your rights here at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org and be ready for them.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 25, 2012 @ 3:01 pm

  572. Hello Liz.

    She’s doing this to her fellow man for money and no other reason, cut of that supply of money and she will dump ATOS in a shot.
    And the reason why she is so nice is because she doesn’t want you to get angry at what shes doing and decide to just break her nose or kick her from one end of the building to the other.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 25, 2012 @ 3:06 pm

  573. hi there after winning my appeal (43 points i could have got ) i only waited 4 weeks for my back money ….word of advice keep on at the DWP after all its u money dont ket them tell u it will take 12 weeks it takes ATOS 1 da to fax u details thru to them
    good luck to all we can win our benefits back !!

    Comment by Anonymous — October 2, 2012 @ 8:47 pm

  574. Just thought id update,its been a while!! had my tribunal today and WON!! put in the support group too!! so relieved!! thank you so much for all your help and support!!

    Comment by jenny — October 3, 2012 @ 4:34 pm

  575. We like to see good news Jenny, that’s why we’re here, to help…Cheers.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 3, 2012 @ 8:05 pm

  576. I am receiving pension credit and DLA at middle rate. On the 19th of this month I have to go to Atos for a medical assesment..whicheven though i suffer from poly arthritis,have prostate cancer and use a wheelchair I am sure i will like 90% of others fail the test. Could you advise me what happens when i lose my benefit. Do I lose my motability car I do not drive but my carer does…Will she lose her carers allowance?

    Comment by brian — October 6, 2012 @ 10:46 pm

  577. They make you fit for work Brian and you have to sign on, everything goes by the wayside when you are miraculously found fit for work, if this happens to you then appeal immediately, you will win the appeal.
    Lately due to constant pressure from MPs, certain newspapers and Blogs and forums ATOS have relented and allowed some people some respite, so maybe you can be one of the lucky ones, wait and see and if your not happy with any of their decisions get appealing straight away.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 7, 2012 @ 1:11 am

  578. I would, if your carer agrees let them drive, if they are insured if using your car, or use theirs, don’t forget the mileage claim form to fill in and post back, and let your carer push you into the centre and all the way to the room and back to the car. if they try to fail you with opinion of what they think you could do, ask DWP to supply fact that you can actually do it, something they will possibly be unlikely to do.

    Comment by wildthing666 — October 7, 2012 @ 1:34 pm

  579. Thankyou for your help. I have been informed by dwp that as i am over pension age i cannot be forced to work. if i lose my incapacity and dla i will still receive my pension credit so maybe i am luckier than than younger people. They also said i will lose my car and my carer will have to sign on.

    Comment by brian — October 8, 2012 @ 8:57 pm

  580. hi, i went for a medical on monday this week, and i phoned them up for a copy of the atos doctors report esa85, at the same day today i recieved the copy esa85 thats wednesday, open the letter and it states i got ,, 9 points mobilising,, 9 points standind and sitting please can u tell me what that means it also says total 18 points. as i read the esa85 i rang dwp up nd they said its got to go to the decision maker does that mean i lost or what please help,,. nd also that doctor was a lyer, he told me if i cant take my coat off as i struggled nd asked him to help me he said no for my blood pressure, he said dont bother, so i struggled took my coat off, he then told me to get on the little stool onto the bed which i struggled with a lot of pain, doctor said if u cant u cant so he told me dont bother, doctor stated that i declined, hes said a few fibs too,. i got an apple iphone 4s nd recorded every thing my voice nd his crystal clear, what can i do, thank you very much, please help

    Comment by luftan singh — October 10, 2012 @ 6:24 pm

  581. Hello luftan.

    I’m confused here, never in my life have I heard of anyone receiving an ESA85 inside three days after they were assessed, in fact never have I heard of anyone even receiving an ESA65 (The condensed version of an ESA85 and comes with the fit to work conclusion of the decisonmaker) within three days of being assessed.

    On the other hand, any written correspondence from ATOS or the DWP that says you have a total of 18 points is very good news indeed (You only need 15 points in total for the physical test), because even if the decision maker went against ATOS (And they sometimes do) and found you fit for work then any appeal panel will find strongly in your favour.

    You need to explain this situation a little better Luftan because it doesn’t make sense.

    By the way just to let you know, you can’t mix points for mental and physical health, so 9 points for mental problems and 9 points for physical problems would not count because you would need to total 15 points from at least one, it doesn’t matter which one, either will do, as long as one of them totals at least 15 points.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 10, 2012 @ 8:40 pm

  582. I wonder if what luftan got was actually an ESA85 Decision Makers score sheet with the report? But the 18 points is enough to put you in WRAG (Work Related Activity Group) unless the decision maker decides to lower the points.

    Comment by wildthing666 — October 10, 2012 @ 10:40 pm

  583. Yes that’s what it might be just some kind of score sheet, but I don’t see how anyone can get a report that quickly, if the decision maker lowers the points on there own initiative, which means they are going against ATOS then the DWP have no chance of winning an appeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 11, 2012 @ 3:50 am

  584. hi again thanks i listen to all your comments and i did what you said, yes i really did go on a monday , then contacted them on the same day on the monday, saying i want to see the doctors atos report, nd i got it on the wednesday,. i open the letter nd it said esa85 medical report its got 1 to 23 pages stapled on,, and i got to sheets of paper 1 to 3 it states,,score from physical assesment, mobilising 9, standing and sitting 9,, and reaching, picking up and moving, manual dexterity, navigation, making self understood, understanding communication, continence, consciousness, 0 POINTS,, other sheets says,,,, learning tasks, hazard awareness, personal action, coping with change, getting about, coping socially, appropriateness of behaviour, 0 POINTS, but when i rang dwp on wednesday they said it doesnt mean u got got enough points its got to go to the decision maker yet its up to him to decide, they said it can take up to 4 weeks, atos doctor lied on the sheet saying he told mei advise that a return to work could be considered within 18 months, he said a few lies i got it all on my iphone 4s recorded, anyways will my points go lowered by the decision maker, thank you without your comments and what to do, i would have gotton no where,.

    Comment by luftan singh — October 11, 2012 @ 9:53 am

  585. hi, sorry 1 last question they said it can take up to 4 weeks for the desicion maker to decide, what happens after 4 weeks if i fail, can i still appeal or no, if think there is a catch,, please help, thanks again luftan,.

    Comment by luftan singh — October 11, 2012 @ 9:58 am

  586. Hi Luftan.

    They must have gave you special dispensation, because nobody but nobody gets an ESA85 before the decision maker has seen it, and I think that’s what’s happened, the decision maker hasn’t even seen it yet, it might even be possible the decision maker doesn’t even know you have it…LOL.

    Anyway as I said before, getting 18 points from ATOS is very good news, but the decision maker can lower the points if they so wish and find you fit for work, if that happens then you have a right to appeal that decision, and we can help you with that, it’s a simple process.

    Wait and see what the decision maker says first, if you don’t like what you see then you can do as suggested and appeal, and the good news is you will win the appeal no problem especially when you have the ESA85 upfront saying they granted you 18 points.

    You would have no other option but to appeal anyway, signing on for JSA is not an option especially when ATOS themselves have scored you 18 points.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 11, 2012 @ 1:09 pm

  587. lol, thank you, but what if the decision maker says i havent scored no points, but im my hand the atos doctor scored me 18 points, when they send me the letter from the desicion maker,.

    Comment by luftan singh — October 11, 2012 @ 1:20 pm

  588. hi, what about that atos doctor, fibbing nd lying about few things, like he told me returning to work in 18 months, nd that i declined not lying on the bed, he was the 1 who told me if u cant u cant dont bother, i asked the doctor to pull my coat sleeveso he can check my blood pressue, but he told me no,. dont bother, i got it all recorded on my mobile phone what he said from start to finish,,. or shall i just delete it from my phone,. if you was in my shoes what would you do, please help thank you,.

    Comment by luftan singh — October 11, 2012 @ 1:29 pm

  589. Hi Luftan.

    First of all don’t look to deeply into all this and crack up trying to figure it all out, figuring it out takes time and experience, the purpose of the DWP and ATOS is to get you/us of sickness benefits and for the ATOS man he needs to balance that with tallying his figures and receiving his bonus, same for the decision maker, he/she has to balance their figures to get their bonus and still find a way to make themselves look good to Iain Duncan Smith by doing what he demands which is to balance the figures, the figures for an ATOS man is high before they can get their bonus, it’s something like 90% of all claimants must be found fit for work, doesn’t matter if they are all at deaths door, to get the bonus and balance the figures 90 out of a 100 have to be made work fit by hook or by crook.

    So you see it doesn’t matter what was said on the ESA85 regarding who said what, the point is you have received 18 points from ATOS, very few people get any points, so that’s something positive, there’s no way out for the decision maker, finding you fit for work will help his bonus, but they know fine well you will win an appeal.

    From them it’s not personal, although you will obviously take it personally if the DWP decision maker doesn’t give you what you want, so this is why there is a recourse which is an appeal.

    As for deleting it from your phone ? trust in god but keep the gunpowder dry (Just in case).

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 11, 2012 @ 8:14 pm

  590. thank you ,,, dwpexamination, il wait until their report, sorry for messing u around,

    Comment by luftan singh — October 11, 2012 @ 11:54 pm

  591. hiya, because of my illness as i explained, nd not being greedy, do u think i can claim dla too after scoring 18 points,, thank you,.

    Comment by luftan singh — October 12, 2012 @ 1:38 pm

  592. Hello Luftan.

    Your not being greedy, if your entitled to DLA then you should apply, and I believe you should apply.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 12, 2012 @ 1:51 pm

  593. thanks,,,,,,,,,,,,,, dwpexamination,,, at the moment i recieve 119 pounds incapacity benifit a week nd 55 pounds child tax credit a week, will i have some topping on my esa or will it just be the same 169 pounds a week total,, thank you,.

    Comment by luftan singh — October 12, 2012 @ 2:10 pm

  594. 119 pounds nd 55 pounds a week total 174 pounds a week sorry, my figures were wrong,.

    Comment by luftan singh — October 12, 2012 @ 2:13 pm

  595. I think your at the absolute limit as far as child tax credits and ESA, if you get DLA then obviously some more will be coming your way.
    I get £71 a week on the assessment rate waiting for an appeal hearing.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 12, 2012 @ 4:41 pm

  596. thanks dwpexamination, and all the best with your appeal, may you win, and every one god bless,.

    Comment by luftan singh — October 12, 2012 @ 5:39 pm

  597. What a fab site, I’ve got my medical on the 25th of this mth & I’m scared! I’ve not had a atos medical in 8 yrs. I get £110 per week IB & also high rate mobility dla which I use for a much needed car. I suffer with 100% blocked femoral arteries in both legs. I’ve had grafts but they failed. I struggle to walk anywhere &can just about manage the 50 metres mentioned above but would need a rest to allow the pain to subside &also gain a breath. Stairs are also a big prob if more than a flight etc.. I was prescribed drugs which when my graft failed I stopped taking so rather than risk that going against me I’m going back to my gp to get them re prescribed. What worries me is that although this is prove able if they ask gp/hospital etc I have nothing to take with me to the medical as doctors reports etc. I have the scars &of course no pulse in my groin but will they bother to check any of this at the medical? Im quite young &dont look phyically disabled, I don’t limp or use a stick so I’m fully expecting to fail but I’m guessing will probably win on appeal. What a shambles this is! What I’d like to ask is will this medical effect my dla or is that another nightmare I will soon have to face?

    Comment by Jimmy — October 14, 2012 @ 11:51 am

  598. I hope your having it recorded, if not try to get them to record it by asking now. Don’t force yourself to walk the full 50 meters and then stop, stop earlier and take the rests for even longer than you need, do not be forced to continue even if the HCP tries to say “surely you must have recovered from that short distance now” Think carefully about any answers you give and ask that they write out your answer verbatim, while you are recording covertly. To them it is a game.

    Comment by wildthing666 — October 14, 2012 @ 2:29 pm

  599. hi there wildthing, thanks for your comment & advice. I havent actually asked for it to be recorded but i fully intend to covertly record it using my mobile phone & intend to ask them to read out my answers when they finish typing them. You mention about not forcing myself to walk the full 50metres , does this mean they are likely to actually make me walk a certain distance in order to measure how far i can walk? sorry if thats a daft question but as i said in last post i havent had one of these medicals for over 8yrs & that was very easy & straight forward then so i really dont know what to expect..

    Comment by Anonymous — October 14, 2012 @ 3:00 pm

  600. Hi Jimmy.

    Don’t worry about having no reports or medical evidence to take to the assessment because the bastards don’t even look at it anyway, it’s all a con Jimmy, they find you fit for work anyway and force you to appeal, but the appeals take time to be heard and this gives you six to nine months to arrange some kind of written medical support to present to the appeal panel.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 15, 2012 @ 7:46 am

  601. I mean not walking the full distance to the room in one go or at the pace that the HCP would like you to go, they have the distance from the waiting room to the interrogation room measured out IMHO so they can say “Claimant walked 30/40/50 meters without difficulty that is why I said don’t force or do the distance in one go, don’t be afraid of stopping even if you have just crossed the waiting room, the more you do in front of them, and many do more than they would normally do, they assume you are playing up your situation and can do more when not under close scrutiny, so 50 meters in one go could turn up as over 200 meters on the report.

    Comment by wildthing666 — October 15, 2012 @ 10:17 am

  602. First of I want to say its a great blog…

    Secondly I want people to know you can win an appeal even if they give you ZERO points, I for one did.

    They lied about every point on my form, made up events that never happened and even had the gal to say he knew I could hear him calling to me even though I didn’t and never responded when he said he had called me. My appeal took 14 months, it was sheer hell as getting medical people started to ask for money to give statements etc BUT I made it through (just, suicidal twice) and won, the appeal head person actually came out and said that I never should have been there, it was clear I was unfit for work.

    After that I was given back money owed and had a letter confirming they would not retest me for 4yrs.

    And now the bad news, its now the fifth yr and I got the form sent to me again, thankfully I’m ready for them this time, I won’t be on my own, I’m going to record the assessment and lodge an appeal instantly as I know I will be made to fail. They even put me to see a back to work advisor BEFORE I even got the form, the DWP person said it wasn’t a formal interview and it was nothing to worry about, naturally I didn’t believe the rat on the phone and told the advisor I had been told it was informal to which she laughed down the phone.

    I attended the interview last week with my wife and it was left that I was going into hospital soon, the advisor was actually quite nice and also said that when I get the medical I must appeal instantly (nothing like letting you know its fixed), I also recorded that meeting.

    So, I’m about to be put through the same thing again, as it stands they will have to fit it around my time in hospital, first for an endoscopy to see if I have tumours in my gut wall and then afterwards I will be in to have an umbilical hernia removed with more treatment depending on the Endoscopy. Once that is finished and past the 60-8 week recovery period I will be getting referred back to my consultant so I can have my spinal decompression surgery.

    Lets see how the bastards like being mucked about by me!

    Just a quick note, my appeal time period isn’t the norm, they are done sooner than that in most cases, mine just dragged on very painfully.

    Also expect the lies, I reported my quack assessment doctor to the BMI, no matter how truthful your form they will rip it to shreds, mine said I could walk upstairs even though Iwas never tested for that which he admitted when I complained to the outfit that did the test, his excuse was that he could tell I could walk upstairs by looking at me.

    Very scientific..

    As said by the person running this blog, YOU MUST FIGHT and APPEAL, its not fun and I was lucky to be helped by LAW4ALL (no charge) but in the end its down to you to convince the chair of the appeal and the doctor there that you are not well and you have been fitted up, they do listen..

    Mine even came out to shake my hand and offer me medical advice, said I reminded him of his son illness wise..

    Comment by John Irvine — October 16, 2012 @ 1:46 pm

  603. Oops, 6 – 8 week recovery…not 60-8 :)

    Comment by John Irvine — October 16, 2012 @ 1:49 pm

  604. Hi John.

    Congratulations on fighting back and winning that appeal John, far to many people are caving in and just giving up with the stress of it all.
    You can see what a bunch of creeps we all have to deal with, it’s hard to belive isn’t it ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 16, 2012 @ 9:25 pm

  605. Yes, its such an unbelievable state of affairs that a system there to help genuinely ill people suffering from a variety of illnesses can be allowed to actually force people who suffer from depression and mental illness into actually being more depressed and strained to the point of thinking about committing suicide.

    In any logical world that would be illegal but not for our government and the DWP….A system that exploits and degrades the very people its supposed to be there for.

    Comment by John Irvine — October 17, 2012 @ 10:00 am

  606. please

    Comment by simon — October 17, 2012 @ 1:27 pm

  607. hi went for a medical last week just recieved my report i scored 27 points is that good or bad.

    Comment by simon — October 17, 2012 @ 1:28 pm

  608. 27 points, you the star prize with that and the Blankety Blank check book and pen..

    Anything over 15 and you have passed the test and will be left alone.

    Comment by John Irvine — October 17, 2012 @ 1:48 pm

  609. lol, cheers john irvine,, blankety blank,,,,,,,,, lol do u think i also can claim dla, i only recieve 119 pounds a week or will my esa go up,. as we r really struggling, used to have 230 pounds aweek because my daughter turned 18 nd a half they stoped child benifit, 20 pounds a week nd reduced my incapacity from 175 to 119,.

    Comment by simon — October 17, 2012 @ 3:40 pm

  610. I’d love to answer on this Simon but I really don’t know and with this changing of benefits and renaming them I am as confused as you. Our DWP super person may have an answer for you.

    Slightly hi-jacking this, what annoys me more now is thanks to this shake up and capping of benefits I’m going to along with my wife and daughter be made homeless in April. The reason being we are on the waiting list for a council property and have been for ages so they offered / forced us to take what’s called a Safehaven property, a council ran sheme where a charity owns our flat and charges the council a high rent, personally I think its a tax fiddle as the council and Safehaven share the same offices.

    Come April they will cap all our benefits which will barely pay the rent alone, never mind food etc.

    What hurts more is that they have just made 10 brand new council properties 20 feet from me but unless you have 8 children like all the others in them you have no chance. Our Government is really bloody stupid, rewarding people for having children they are not having to afors, the tax payer has to.

    Very annoying..

    Anyway, best of luck Simon, with a score like that you must be able to claim some sort of extra benefit..

    Sadly you won’t get the Blankety Blank Cq book and pen…Sorry about that :)

    Comment by John Irvine — October 17, 2012 @ 5:18 pm

  611. awwwwww u made me happy when u said blankety blank cq gutted thanks anyways,,,, oh what about dla can i claim that if so do i need to see atos again,. john irvine

    Comment by simon — October 17, 2012 @ 6:24 pm

  612. I doubt you would need to see ATOS-ers again but the only people who will know what you can apply for are either knowledgeable people on here or the DWP themselves. The chances are it will be ANOTHER form to fill in and then wait and see.

    Sorry I can’t be more help but I’d rather you got the right help than guess work..

    Sorry about the Cq book and pen, sources inside the DWP tell me you only get that if you know the correct handshake…

    Comment by John Irvine — October 18, 2012 @ 7:49 am

  613. What happens if you go for an appeal and loose that one as well? Do you have to sign on ASAP once you are informed regarding benefit and rent etc.
    Reason I am asking is I will soon be going to one and I read through my copy of the report and it is like a book and going through the lines it’s as if they don’t believe a word of me.
    I suffer from bad back problems and have done for over 30 years in that when it goes I am unable to even sit or walk etc but other times it is bearable but just.
    Would love to go when it is at its worst just to show them how bad it is but I can’t just say like it will go today or tomorrow etc.

    Comment by Davscot — October 21, 2012 @ 3:16 pm

  614. Davscot…If you lose the appeal then you can state a worsening of your condition, or a new health condition and as long as six months has passed when the decision maker informed you that you were fit for work, then you can re-apply for ESA.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 21, 2012 @ 9:57 pm

  615. Many thanks do the info, it’s worrying the way they put us through all of this though.

    Comment by Davscot — October 22, 2012 @ 10:46 am

  616. Please tell me how to fill out the form as I find it quite hard due to the fact I have a condition called severe endometriosis which effects me 2 to 3 weeks out of the month every month. It’s a condition that effects few women. The pain is very severe and starts a week or two before the periods and throughout the course of the period. I was diagnosed with this condition over ten years ago and have had several operations to help with the pain but to no avail. I cannot take the pill as I am allergic to the hormones the pill and the injections have in them. the pain I get is so bad that for the 2 to 3 weeks out of the month I cannot walk or move at all and im frequently rushed to the hospital where I am given a morphine drip. I am now waiting for another operation which hopefully this time will relieve me of my condition. the problem I’m having with the form is that when I’m not in pain I’m ok but when the condition kicks off im totally incapacitated. How do I fill in the form when it says can i walk or climb up the stairs etc…?? As I can climb/walk when I’m not in pain.. I cannot hold down a job because I’m constantly being sacked from jobs due to the fact that I’m not a reliable worker as I cannot dictate when the pain comes and goes. the condition is very irratic. If anyone can help me asap that will be great. If you need to know more about the condition before you reply you can google severe endometriosis. Thank you. :(

    Comment by Nikki Sams — October 23, 2012 @ 12:11 pm

  617. Nikki, you must fill the form out based upon your worst day, I did the same sort of thing re walking, I said I could walk a certain distance and then added that some days its worse than others and when its worse I cannot do more than a few step.

    For this they only used the portion saying I could walk and gave me zero points.

    So base your answers about when the pain is at its worst but don’t get involved in lies, somewhere on the form explain how it affects you 3 quarters of every month, that way they cannot accuse you of lying.

    I’m sorry I cannot aid you further as my depression gives me a very short attention span.

    I wish you all the best and hope the next op helps you…Just remember, when answering the question think about how it is on the worst pain day.

    Comment by John Irvine — October 23, 2012 @ 12:38 pm

  618. hi just recieved the letter today, it states employment support group, doesnt say how many points awarded, but i do know i had 18 points 3 weeks ago, as i cant hardly walk, bad back, asma high blood pressure,. im not fit enough to go to interviws, can i appeal,. please help.

    Comment by luftan — October 23, 2012 @ 12:46 pm

  619. and from 170 a week, now im getting 110 pounds a week, between me nd my wife, 55 pounds bills 40 food 15 washing cloths leaves us with nothing, struggling to pay direct debits.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what a joke,.

    Comment by luftan — October 23, 2012 @ 12:51 pm

  620. Thank you so much John, you have helped me a great deal. i was really scared and upset because I didn’t know how to answer those types of questions. Thank you also for your words of encouragement. I do hope that you get better soon. I will let you know how I get on. Thanks again :)

    Comment by Nikki Sams — October 23, 2012 @ 1:17 pm

  621. It says Employment support group ? do you mean the Support group of ESA or The Work related group of ESA ? It can only be one or the other.
    If it’s the Support group of ESA then that’s it, the highest you can go, it’s all a con, to deprive you and rob you of the money you were originally getting.
    We on this site have been warning everyone for the last four years what was happening and what was going to happen, and tried to advise accordingly, sadly few have listened, all this may have been avoided if they had listened, now it’s to late, the parties over, it’s every man jack for themselves now.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 23, 2012 @ 1:39 pm

  622. . hi again, got my medical less than 48 hrs away & im shitting myself! Thanks to this site im going abit more prepared than i would of normally been. Ive been on IB for years & get £110 per wk plus DLA. From what I can gather the ESA support group is where we want to be but how much do you get if your lucky enough to get into this group? I believe the work related ESA group is around the £70 per week mark?? I will post how i go at the medical & my results etc.
    Many thanks for a great informative website.

    Comment by jimmy — October 23, 2012 @ 3:54 pm

  623. That’s the assessment rate Jimmy, the work related component on top brings it to £90 odds, the support group is only an extra £5 odds.
    By the way, there’s nothing attractive or lucky about being in the support group, anyone who is eligible for the support group is living a life of misery.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 23, 2012 @ 4:38 pm

  624. Jimmy, I hope you are going with someone…Try not to go alone..

    Comment by John Irvine — October 23, 2012 @ 5:04 pm

  625. Hi dwpexaminatin. Sorry if my ‘lucky’ remark came across as flippant. I just meant lucky to get past these gatekeepers without the stress of appeal.

    Comment by jimmy — October 24, 2012 @ 1:08 pm

  626. I have just had a phone call saying I have 0 points,and they are not dsputing the fact I have severe osterosrhritis in my right knee and find it difficult to walk,they say I can use a electric wheel chair to find work. Well hello I have not got a electric wheel chair I have a Mobility scooter. The assessor told a blatant lie and said I said my doctor told me not too use my scooter. My knee is bad it is at the stage where I could do with a replacement but I am too young. How the hell do they expect you to live. My husband has to support me. I am so depressed. The only time in my need help both finacally and health I cannot get it. Why than have I paid into the system just incase I need it and now we get nothing.

    Comment by Liz — October 24, 2012 @ 2:29 pm

  627. ATOS are as corrupt as corrupt can be but its the same as it ever was, the charlatan doctor that did me in 2005 lied about every single detail, I could walk up stairs despite never being tested for that, I could hear 100% even though I suffer severe tinnitus, he reported I refused to do a squat test even though I did try and do it but the pain was too great in bending my knee’s.

    He classed that as a refusal..

    I wrote a 5 page complaint to his firm highlighting all the lies and they told me there would be an investigating the situation, and who did the investigation, yep, the doctor investigated himself. I wrote to the main boss and asked if this was some sort of joke, he said no, I said that it wasn’t a stunning surprise that he found himself to be in the clear, would anyone think he would change his story.

    I was told that the case was now closed…

    So, I reported them to the BMI as a closing gift and sent all the evidence to them.

    From what I’m told Atos, the new people are even more corrupt…..No lie too small and ignoring all the facts and reasons.

    Comment by John Irvine — October 24, 2012 @ 3:27 pm

  628. I know what you meant Jimmy, and I know you meant well, I was trying to point out that everything you write should be checked again because people sometimes don’t read things the way we mean, and I can tell you that after three years of doing this I found that out the hard way.

    Everything I post has to be checked before posting, it seems that everyone looks at things differently, and I’ve had some problems in the past and caused offense without meaning to, it’s a pain having to explain so now I just check it and think is there any way my message can be misinterpreted ?.

    Saves hassle in the long run.
    Take care Jimmy.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 24, 2012 @ 9:16 pm

  629. From what I’m told Atos, the new people are even more corrupt…..No lie too small and ignoring all the facts and reasons.

    Don’t say that John for goodness sake, you’ll frighten the natives.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 24, 2012 @ 9:25 pm

  630. what is bmi,,

    Comment by luftan — October 25, 2012 @ 9:17 am

  631. Oops, meant BMA (British Medical Association)

    Comment by John Irvine — October 25, 2012 @ 10:42 am

  632. oh thanks

    Comment by luftan — October 25, 2012 @ 10:44 am

  633. which is better support or work esa, just recieved the letter saying im on work employment esa, i cant go to work interviews, i rang dwp nd said i want to appeal, they said just put it in writting, nd send it to us, do i need to fill in a gl24 or just write to them,

    Comment by luftan — October 25, 2012 @ 10:48 am

  634. @dwpexamination…Yes, sorry for the scary words, was just so annoyed by them (the DWP & ATOS)

    I’m a believer in expecting the worst outcome simply because that how its worked for me in my exchanges with these people and in my health in general. I should revise my comments to making sure you go prepared, making sure you go with someone if possible. I also think people should war game the expected questions that will be asked, by that I mean its obvious you will be asked if you have problems standing, well before you attend do a mock assessment and your answers just so you are comfortable with your answers. There’s nothing worse than sitting in front of these people and struggling to answer of forgetting vital stuff because you are nervous.

    Be prepared, you will find the interview easier for you to deal with.

    And lastly, remember that these people are employed by the DWP to get rid of the fake sick people as well, just go there and explain how its like for you on the worst days, you don’t get points for being friendly or nice, its all about your illness, make sure they get the whole picture of it.

    Comment by John Irvine — October 25, 2012 @ 10:56 am

  635. @Luftan, when they did it to me I simply rang them and they sent me the form out, things may have changed so make sure you do everything they ask and make sure you ask for the assessment / appeal money so you still get something until your appeal is heard.

    Comment by John Irvine — October 25, 2012 @ 10:59 am

  636. i had my assessment report 3 days later nd scored 18 points, nd i only get 110 pounds a week,

    Comment by luftan — October 25, 2012 @ 11:12 am

  637. is 110 enough for me nd my wife, no, from 170 pounds a week its dropped to 110 pounds a week, can i claim other benifits

    Comment by luftan — October 25, 2012 @ 11:16 am

  638. not being greedy

    Comment by luftan — October 25, 2012 @ 12:01 pm

  639. Luftan.

    If you want to appeal to get in the support group then just go to your local job centre plus and explain you are appealing against an unfit for work decision and can you get a GL24 form please.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 25, 2012 @ 1:20 pm

  640. thanks dwpexamination,,,,,,,,,,,,can u remember i said to you, can i clain dla, nd you said you should do,, just recieved the form nd haves to many pages on the form, i think il give it a miss, cant hardly fill it in,.

    Comment by luftan — October 25, 2012 @ 1:55 pm

  641. My wife has just filled in my assessment form (fit or not for work) and she’s in agony from her arthritis…..So many damn pages..

    And before people wonder, I suffer severe depression and panic attacks about anything official, makes my hands shake and the writing looks like a drunk spider walked on the page.

    Comment by John Irvine — October 25, 2012 @ 2:04 pm

  642. quick update. Unbelievably when I got to my medical today it had been cancelled. Apparently there entire nationwide system had gone down :-) & they couldn’t see me. I wonder what had gone wrong?

    Comment by Jimmy — October 25, 2012 @ 8:37 pm

  643. Yea luftan they make it as difficult as possible for you, leave it for a while then take your time and fill it in, if you don’t ask you don’t get..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 25, 2012 @ 8:46 pm

  644. Hope someone has thrown a giant spanner in to the works Jimmy.
    By the way, the longer you wait for the assessment then the longer you stay on sickness benefits, a lot of people don’t realise that, why rush just to be told you are fit for work ?……

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 25, 2012 @ 8:51 pm

  645. thanks but do u really think scoring 18 points, puts me into the employment support looking for jobs nd going for interviews

    Comment by luftan — October 25, 2012 @ 9:26 pm

  646. Luftan.

    You keep going on about points.

    Let me explain it this way…Do you know the points system the housing department operate ? you have to be on the file for so long or you have to have special needs or something like a squad of kids before you are eligible for more points ?.
    Then someone appears out of the blue, and walks in to one of those flats you sought after for years ? that’s when you realise that it’s all bullshit. Well the DWP operate a similar system, the points system is to suit them and not to suit you…this means it’s possible to get in the support group with ZERO points, that’s right ZERO….It’s all a con, hope your getting the message.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 25, 2012 @ 10:24 pm

  647. As a victim of the Housing banding system (technically the points system is gone but 18 children still gives you priority over 13yrs on the list) I have to agree with DWP, its very much a con at times.

    Don’t talk to me about that damn council list, 10 new houses, not one for me because I don’t have 8 kids…..

    Comment by John Irvine — October 26, 2012 @ 7:36 am

  648. Hiall just had my medical if u can call it that .the kid must of been 10 .but i got no points what soever But i cant walk 10 yards put my own shoes on cut my toe nails but they did not say any of this in my letyet what u suposed to do ?

    Comment by Brian Bm — October 26, 2012 @ 9:20 pm

  649. Your supposed to appeal Brian, that’s the whole point of the assessment, to deliberately fail you which will give you two choices appeal or crawl away somewhere and die.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 27, 2012 @ 8:18 am

  650. Hi I have found this site today and wish I had found it earlier. I have Lupus S.L.E., Rheumatoid arthritis, Me/CFS, Fibromyalgia, High blood pressure, under active thyroid and Asthma. I am housebound most of the time and need help with most things day and night. I am in work related group for ESA but have missed so many appts due to operations, having my fourth this year in November,DWP are threatening to stop benefit if I don’t attend next appt at job centre. I also have been turned down for DLA although I was getting it for 6 years previously for ME/CFS way before I was diagnosed with other illnesses. I appealed and was given low rate care but nothing for mobility. I am now in the process of claiming again but feel I will be turned down again. Can anyone tell me how the point system works for DLA and how many points you need to ‘pass’. I have been assessed previously (lasted 15 mins) and despite reports from my rheumy and various other consultants DWP decided that they would use the assessment rather than reports from people who see me regularly and have been treating me for 20 years.

    Comment by Anonymous — October 30, 2012 @ 2:12 am

  651. Anonymous.

    For DLA I don’t think it’s about points, this points nonsense is that just nonsense, and is a system designed to give them an excuse to deny benefits if they so wish, even when one appeals it’s the same rubbish, and that’s no accident because the appeal service are in close contact with the DWP and ATOS and sometimes discuss which pieces of evidence the DWP would like to take out of a persons case file and so on, proof enough to me at least that they are very friendly.
    Just about everyone is being denied DLA, and the reason for that is clear to me, they want everyone, or at least as many folk as possible of it, to start afresh for when Iain Duncan Smiths brain child (Personal independence payment) is brought in to operation shortly.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 30, 2012 @ 6:04 am

  652. Hi
    can i ask if you have to have a medical every year regardless of your situation?

    Comment by loubylou — October 31, 2012 @ 12:41 pm

  653. Hi, me again sorry worrying after a medical at ATOS
    Do they contact your GP for information on your condition?

    Comment by loubylou — October 31, 2012 @ 1:25 pm

  654. You can have an assessment anytime they want to call you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 31, 2012 @ 2:10 pm

  655. loubylou.

    If you were trying to stop someone from getting benefits at all cost, would you contact their GP on their behalf ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 31, 2012 @ 2:12 pm

  656. They make no effort AT ALL to contact anyone..The least info they have the easier it is to give you zero points.

    Comment by Anonymous — October 31, 2012 @ 3:57 pm

  657. They do not contact anyone, the less info they have on you the easier it is to give you zero points.

    Comment by John I — October 31, 2012 @ 4:00 pm

  658. Hi
    thanks for your replies, I must admit I am terrified now of getting the result!
    I went to Atos in Luton and my appointment was 9.55am, I was kept waiting well over an hour and before I went in a gentleman turned up for his 11am appointment and was told it would be at least mid afternoon before he was seen! They were advising people to leave their mobile numbers and go off and do some shopping or somrthing and they would call you (no sounds like a trick!?)
    I must admit that the nurse I saw was lovely and seemed so caring and genuine and seemed to understand. I took my mother as most of my problems are to do with my mental state and I don’t feel safe to be out on my own. My mum was told not to speak unless it was to point out something I had forgotton as the answers had to come from me.
    As lovely as the lady was, I am now so worried as I am not fit for work at this stage. I want to get back to work ASAP, but that has got to be when my GP/phsyciatrist/social worker and mental health team think I am ready.
    Thats why I asked if they contacted my GP as I read somewhere the GP needs to fill a form in (something 113?) as the GP knows me best and is surely then best qualified to make the decision if I am fit or not!? Seems a very funny system to me………..

    Comment by loubylou — October 31, 2012 @ 6:56 pm

  659. The GP form I am referring to is an IB113 or SA113?
    The lady at Atos did say that DWP will gather all info including from my GP.

    Comment by loubylou — October 31, 2012 @ 7:03 pm

  660. And Himmler told the Jews they were just going to be resettled….Think aaaaabout it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 31, 2012 @ 9:34 pm

  661. Thank you very much, I will have to try and stop worrying until I hear now………………..
    Great site and I am soooo glad I found it before my medical as I did not know about the points system at all and would have focused on the wrong aspects of my conditions that are worth less points if I had not seen it.

    Comment by loubylou — October 31, 2012 @ 11:16 pm

  662. loubylou

    Check in here at our sister site, you can get all the help you need from over a thousand members who are or have been in the same boat as you. http://www.dwpexamination.org
    By the way, we do not take money or ask for money on our sister site, all advice is confidential and free.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 31, 2012 @ 11:46 pm

  663. Another trick by ATOS go off do some shopping I would ask for another appointment and a travel expense form, we are supposed to arrive 10 minutes before so if they cannot see us within 10 minutes i would be demanding a new appointment be sent out. I bet they would say they could fit you in within a few minutes but I would still say new appointment.

    Comment by wildthing666 — November 1, 2012 @ 12:25 am

  664. Yes, I’d demand a new appointment, they have NO RIGHT to force you to hang around, people like me are awkward with groups of people so asking me to hang around all day is actually bad for my illness. You are entitled to stay for a ‘reasonable’ amount of time allowing for patient variations but it does not extend to half a day.

    Obviously get proof you have been allowed to leave ie persons name or written proof, if refused then ring ATOS directly and demand an explanation. Don’t let them go all Nazi on you, you still have rights, lets say you have to pick up your child from school, they cannot stop that.

    Comment by John I — November 1, 2012 @ 11:17 am

  665. Hi I am the lady who left comment at 652. I have just received decision form DLA and award remains the same low rate care , nothing for mobility. They stated that the ESA assessment I had in January was used to make the decision. I had anticipated this and had been asking for the report since Jan. I finally received it beg Oct. There are numerous ‘lies’ in this report, it seems to me the first two categories where I was given a total of 15 points was enough to get me ESA so the examiner then scored me 0 points on every other category, so I am wondering how I complain about the report as this was used for my DLA claim. Do I complain to DWP or ATOS? The ‘professional’ who examined me was a registered nurse. Seems my Consultants, some of whom are professors, wasted all those years gaining further qualifications when a registered nurse knows more than them. I wondered if there was a scoring system used in DLA claims as well as ESA and if so what scores you need to ‘pass’ ?

    Comment by Anonymous — November 1, 2012 @ 6:21 pm

  666. Hi Anon.

    It seems they are just chancing their luck, they give as little as possible and hope you don’t appeal, they’re doing this to everyone on DLA, they are just criminals.
    Have you a local CAB or welfare rights you can show all your paper work too ? they are experts in this kind of work and should be able to even help you compose an appeal if that’s what you feel you should do.
    You need advice from Professionals because there are some pitfalls you will have to take in to consideration if you appeal, the DWP know this and hope you fall in to them.
    If you do decide to appeal then it’s the DWP you send it too, only send ATOS a complaint, they don’t deal with appeals.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 1, 2012 @ 8:26 pm

  667. Thank you for advice regarding seeing professionals to help with my appeal. Ypo mention pitfalls with appealing, I have heard that sometimes if you appeal you can lose the award already being paid, what other pitfalls should I be aware of? thanks

    Comment by Anonymous — November 1, 2012 @ 10:27 pm

  668. That’s correct you can lose what you have, of course it’s a bluff to frighten, but very persuasive, and if you are due DLA then you should get what you have at least.
    There are other pitfalls of a technical nature, for instance the DWP sometimes do not send the correct details to the appeal service, they hold back important information that you might assume the tribunal already have, it’s difficult to figure out what’s important and whats not, a date held back by the DWP can make all the difference at the appeal.
    That’s why if you appeal you should get that professional help, don’t go it alone and make it easy for the DWP, they don’t care if you are entitled to it or not, they just don’t want you to get it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 1, 2012 @ 11:17 pm

  669. Thank you, didn’t realise they could withold info but after reading some of the comments on here I wouldn’t put anything past them. Think I’ll take your advice and get some professional help with this. Keep up the good work, your site is amazing for all of us who are genuine claimants, I only wish I had come across you sooner.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 2, 2012 @ 12:08 am

  670. Hi, iv just tried to log onto the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org and every time you click on something it says error file not found? has the site been closed?

    Comment by jenny — November 3, 2012 @ 9:44 am

  671. These points do they apply to 2009 in 2011 ATOS and DWP with the harrington report changed some of the contents of the ESA85.
    In 2009 which i have found now due to PHSO looking at matters they state they the DM gave me 6 points for incontinece monthly, yet in the information you have supplied it says 13f Loses control of bladder at least once a month 3 points. Could you tell me where you got the above information so I can use this to direct the ombudsman if it is true JCP have lied again to ombudsman offices

    Comment by ebby — November 3, 2012 @ 10:27 am

  672. hi dwp been a while since my last post.
    But i have just had a letter trough the door with my appeal for esa and ive got 14 days to return the form saying i wish to attend and they will obviously then send me a date.
    i have a couple of paragraphs that have been added by the dwp that i havent seen before and do not fully understand them or even if they are legal so i have put them here and hopefully you can shed some light on them for me please
    (1) i respectfully request that the tribunal confirms that the decision that mr john is not entitled to esa as he does not have limited capability for work
    (2) should the tribunal decide that mr john does have limited capability for work i respectfully request that they decide whether or not mr john has limited capability for work realated activity. if they determine that there is insufficent evidence,the tribunal is requested to refer the case to the descicon maker for determination.
    (3) should the tribunal determine that mr john has limited capability for work or can be treated as having limited capability for work. i respectfully request that they offset any social security benifit paid to the appealent,or any increase of a social security benifit paid in respect of the appealent against any esa awarded by the tribunal.ialso submit that registering unemployed and declaring availability for work does not prejudice the appael.
    please can you help with this as i do not have a clue what it means and it is causing me great stress.
    thanks honest john

    Comment by Anonymous — November 3, 2012 @ 4:05 pm

  673. Don’t worry John, it’s just standard and par for the course.

    No one pays a blind bit of notice to it anymore, they say that about everyone, I got it too…lol.

    What they are saying basically is they’re decision is correct and will the panel agree with them that you are fit for work, if the panel does not agree then could they consider you are not put in to the support group, but the WRAG instead.

    The panel will not even read it, because they’ve already seen it a thousand times before, so your worrying about nothing, go and have a cup of tea and stop worrying.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2012 @ 3:16 am

  674. It’s been sorted Jenny, a glitch, and we are back on..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2012 @ 3:23 am

  675. The descriptors were changed last year ebby, the new descriptors can be found on the internet. So the descriptors from 2009 are old hat, defunct, no longer in operation.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2012 @ 3:27 am

  676. just had the letter for esa they put me on the work wrag instead of support group, can i appeal, as im not fit going on interviews, because of my back, both knees asma high blood pressure, nd also i scored 18 points,.

    Comment by ian — November 4, 2012 @ 10:25 am

  677. Thanks DWPexaminations the thing I was trying to say is the desciptors from 2009 are important for my complaints with PHSO Ombudsman office as the complaints are linked to 2009. Ombudsman office got response from JCP that the 2nd DM overturned the decsion one being the incontince condition but put monthly instead of weekly(although i was having bladder loss daily which is support group) and he applied 6 points for it. In the descriptors above it says 3 points for this which means JCP are telling porkies to ombudsman office if it is correct. This is now three and half years of my life in complaints with ATOS since 2009 so if you could you tell me where you got the above information so I can use this to direct the ombudsman if it is true JCP have lied again to ombudsman offices.

    Comment by Ebby — November 4, 2012 @ 1:49 pm

  678. Hi Ian.

    Yes you can appeal, a lot of people are being put on to the WRAG deliberately, the DWP hope you will be satisfied with that and don’t appeal, for them it means they can manipulate the figures and give you a little less money etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2012 @ 1:55 pm

  679. Hello Ebby.

    You can get all the help you need on our sister site either from the descriptors past and present on there, or ask on the general discussion page any questions and they will answer them for you.

    Just sign in with a username and ask away http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2012 @ 2:06 pm

  680. The bottom line for the DWP and ATOS is not to give up when they quite deliberately fail you, yes its frustrating and soul destroying but you appeal, its what its there for, you CAN win, I found the appeal panel actually to be decent people who despite the best efforts of the DWP and my greedy doctors to scupper my appeal seemed to listen and did the right thing.

    As sad, hurt and alone you might feel there is always here for help and advice, just remember, 0 points means nothing, instantly appeal..

    Comment by John I — November 4, 2012 @ 2:30 pm

  681. hi dwpexamination, i did not quite get that, shall i appeal or not,

    Comment by ian — November 4, 2012 @ 3:42 pm

  682. Hello Ian.

    Look at my reply above (680) Ian, it’s crystal sparkling clear, yes you can appeal to get in to the support group, whether you do appeal or not is not my decision Ian, it’s your decision.
    Be aware, the appeal panels can take away as well as give, so if you have doubts then check with the CAB or your local welfare rights office.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2012 @ 5:13 pm

  683. thanks dwpexamination

    Comment by ian — November 4, 2012 @ 6:27 pm

  684. Cheers Ian, and good luck.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2012 @ 8:32 pm

  685. You do know that Support group is full bladder loss weekly did not know this until this year three years I have been left not in a support group and a nurse applies it correctly this year

    Comment by Ebby — November 6, 2012 @ 7:23 am

  686. Finally got a date for my appeal hearing which is a week before Xmas of all times! I am terrified in case I make a mess of it even though I know I suffer from my back and have done for over 30 years although I worked up until about 4 years ago as I had to give it up because the pain was unbearable and I couldn’t lift anything. I used to be a long distance HGV driver that I loved and had to stop because I failed my annual medical that drivers have to go through. Broke my heart when that happened as I have a class 1 licence.
    I know I have to see 2 people but what really happens and how long does it last, also, when will I know if I have passed or failed?
    If I fail, do I sign on ASAP because when I got zero points for my supposed medical, my money and housing benefit was stopped immediately in that the housing were going to evict me if I didn’t pay the arrears. But I take it, if I signed on again, this would just continue as normal?
    This is putting a strain on my marriage as my wife suffers from nerves and deppression to say just a few of the things that hinders her day to day as well.
    Sorry for going on a bit, but this is really getting to me these days. Would love to go in when I am at my worst because I can hardly walk ten feet or bend at all when it does go really bad.
    Thanks for being there for us all here…

    Comment by Davscot — November 6, 2012 @ 7:17 pm

  687. Hi Davscot.

    If the appeal is disallowed you can re-apply for ESA or sign on, ask welfare rights which one is right for you ,they may advise you re-apply.
    Its’ a lawyer and a Doctor, the Doctor asks how long you can stand and how far you can walk etc, it usually lasts around half an hour, sometimes less, then they ask you to wait outside and inform your representative whether you have passed or failed.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 7, 2012 @ 12:04 am

  688. It’s what you can prove Ebby, Lung cancer with a couple of months to live is the support group as well, but plenty of them are being told they are fit to work, yes fit for work, not even getting the WRAG, it’s all a con, this WRAG and Support group nonsense.
    It’s whatever they can get away with giving you..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 7, 2012 @ 7:39 am

  689. hi, they put me on employment nd support allownce, i know if i appeal, in the gl24, what do i need to pud in writting to them,. any tips, thank you,.

    Comment by steve — November 8, 2012 @ 8:53 pm

  690. i suffer from, bad back,, both knees,, asma,, high blood pressue,, cramps in my legs,

    Comment by steve — November 8, 2012 @ 10:48 pm

  691. Steve.

    Go to our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org
    You will get all the information you need on the useful links page.
    Alternatively you can ask a member.
    It’s a free site, we do not under any circumstances charge anyone money, just think up a username and log in.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 9, 2012 @ 2:02 am

  692. TYPE IN ESA DESCRIPTORS POINTS into google – several articles on it. Grimm thou coz not everyone has something that is very clear cut and once you have a diagnosis you are left to deal with it, hence no medical evidence. I have M.E. so as far as folk are concerned u look and feel perfectly fine. Whereas u are all over the place throughout the day. On my report it said I’m okay to receive visitors, also to use the computer for on-line food shop’g – are u supposed to be lifeless completely to receive Support rate ESA!! Forget the bit about I still feel like death when they are over (or using the computer, or that they help, or that u take time out sometimes and give into the much needed lay down which u can’t rise from. Mind u my brain didn’t work to qualify each questions answers as u just answer them as to what u do etc. Also, u tend to mention things u do even if months ago and that’s read into etc

    Comment by Anonymous — November 10, 2012 @ 12:23 am

  693. hi, been on incapacity benifit since 2007, went for a medical, they put me on employment support allowne, since november 8 2012, went to the cab, to appeal nd they said its just for you, i said its a joint account, so the cab advisor contacted dwp, nd they said there is only 1 claim nd thats not for my wife its for me,. on incapacity benifit i was i think for me nd my wife, nothing wrong with my wife shes healthy, but i only get 110 pounds a week for me not the wife just filled in a esa3 form for me nd the wife, will i be intitled to more money as 110 pounds is not enough, nd if she entitled can i back date her claim thank you,.

    Comment by colin — November 10, 2012 @ 8:25 pm

  694. 1 last question if so how long back can i back date it as on the esa3 form states when do i want my esa employment to start from, thank you,.

    Comment by colin — November 10, 2012 @ 8:28 pm

  695. Colin Why would your wife be entitled to ESA if she doesn’t have a health problem ?.

    Your ESA entitlement starts when your incapacity benefit ended.

    If you are entitled to ESA why are you appealing ? have they put you in the WRAG and your not happy and would like to be in the Support group ?.

    I’m really struggling to understand your post Colin.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 10, 2012 @ 9:03 pm

  696. sorry lol,,, i mean they put mr in the wrag group and im not happy, thats why im appealing to go on the support group, and for my wife, she gets notthing, shes a house wife and looks after me,.

    Comment by colin — November 10, 2012 @ 9:08 pm

  697. can you tell me if she can claim benifit,, and is that right for me and the wife 110 pounds between us,.

    Comment by colin — November 10, 2012 @ 9:10 pm

  698. Can’t see how she can claim benefit Colin, she could sign on looking for work though, but it’s hassle.
    A single person is £71 a week, a couple is always less than money than two singles, it doesn’t help people stay together does it ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 11, 2012 @ 2:27 am

  699. I’m post 694 also try typing in ‘what do you need to be in the support group of ESA’ into google. Then click on ‘support group’ gives both the esa and the pip tests/score sheets if you look/search carefully. can also pay a subscription for advice i think. i don’t know what on earth to do myself as on appearances i look fine. i only do myself justice on paper :(

    Comment by immo — November 12, 2012 @ 11:55 am

  700. I’ve been reading through everyone’s comments and I’m absolutely terrified and soooooo confused !!! I have been claiming ESA contribution related since september, when I was made redundant (was off work for 3 months on ssp before being made redundant) Due to being sexually attacked in my own home in june I am now suffering severe PTSD and depression. My life as I knew it is over. I can’t function, people have to tell me to do things, I forget things, I’m a nervous wreck that has to deal with flashabacks, night terrors, panic attacks,high anxiety and suicidal on a daily basis. I don’t leave my home as im too frightened to. My doctor has signed me as unfit for work for at least another 3 months. I don’t understand the benefit system at all :-( I am on contribution related ESA and will stay on that for 365 days unless I am in the support group. The letter from the DWP tells me this. My support worker filled in a medical assesment form for the DWP on my behalf 3 weeks ago and sent all the reports from my CPN & Psychologist. I find things extremely hard to understand right now so if someone could explain what this means…is it good or bad that i am on contribution ESA and how do you go onto this support group ? Do I neeed to go onto this support group ? I just don’t understand the benfits system at all…pleeeeeeease help ?

    Comment by confuscious — November 12, 2012 @ 5:36 pm

  701. I’ve sat down thinking about this whole DWP / ATOS thing and I can’t see how its legal, take the guy who was in The Sun, declared fit for work even though he was lying in a hospital bed after having Heart surgery, when he told them he was unfit for work they stopped paying him.

    Now he’s been classed as fit for work by a person who has no medical or very little medical knowledge, lets say the man took the assessment failure and tried to work again and dies due to a heart attack or something related to his consideration, surely ATOS and the DWP are responsible for his death?

    Also, how can a person with at best a nurses level of understanding actually assess what your illness does and does not affect?

    Even a fully paid Doctor does not have the knowledge that a consultant has.

    We all know this is simply a scheme to remove people from claiming benefit but I just wonder with all the confirmed stories of people being given zero points when its impossible medically for them to have scored zero if its possible to bring on a legal challenge to the whole assessment system. Clearly its crooked and provably crooked, its certainly detrimental to the mental health of the people it deliberately fails and could very well put people in harms way if they choose not to appeal.

    I’m sure if enough people took the case to court that there must be a way to challenge and stop this bent assessment process.

    I mean, if a hook handed terrorist can sit with hundreds of thousands of pounds in cash found in his house and still not be chucked off the dole then I’m sure we would have a good chance. In my case I was made to see a Job advisor even before I was assessed which technically is the wrong way around which proves I was prejudged BEFORE I even spoke to them.

    When I go to my medical (whenever they decide to get me to go to it) I will be both taking my wife as a witness and recording the whole affair, if they think some pen pusher is going to waste my time and affect my life without a fight then they got the wrong man.

    The whole thing is a disgusting sham affecting the lives of the very people who need the help, they should be ashamed of themselves but as we know the MP’s have no heart or morals.

    Comment by John I — November 12, 2012 @ 6:27 pm

  702. Hello Confuscious.

    Your understanding of the benefit system is more than most people, at least you know that if you are on Contributory ESA it ends after 365 days, most people don’t even know that.

    The support group is for people who are in a very bad way, a very bad way indeed, believe me, to be granted the support group is an acknowledgement by the DWP and ATOS that you are virtually at deaths door.

    So that’s why the biggest majority of people get thrown on to the Work related group of ESA, some people are not happy with that and decide to appeal to get in to the support group which has the advantage that if you are on Contributory ESA then it does not end after 365 days.

    You would do well to learn your rights, and you can do this very quickly by thinking up a username and logging in to our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 12, 2012 @ 8:54 pm

  703. Hello John.

    There’s no problem in taking ATOS to court, anyone can take ATOS to court and win after a terrific fight, fabricating functional assessments is actually a criminal offense.

    The problem is when you take ATOS to court you take the Government to court, and that takes money, plenty of money, and the Government aren’t going to give you it to take them to court are they ?, the evidence is all there, the evidence is overwhelming, in fact there’s around a thousand people alone on our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org who will hand over their fallacious functional assessments by ATOS to help anyone win a court case against ATOS.

    It only takes one person (ONE ALPHA MALE) in Britain with a grudge against ATOS to win the lottery and ATOS are finished, I know if I win the lottery ATOS healthcare and this crappy Government will get down on their bended knees and kiss MY ASS.

    So even with money the first problem a would be plaintive would face is threats from the Government, then they would try and bribe you (Because the bastards are nothing but criminals) and after that the sad letters about how we are only trying to help people we know we have done wrong and wish to make it up to them by trying harder to get these assessments right, you see, your own lawyer will get pressurised in to dropping the case against them with bribes and promotions etc.


    Comment by dwpexamination — November 12, 2012 @ 9:09 pm

  704. Hi, i’m getting Severe disablement, and DLA, and i soon will have to fill in the ESA50,), and maybe have an assement, i have Schizoaffective Disorder and a personality Disorder, i hear voices which tell me to Harm/Kill myself and other people, i wonder which group they will put me in ??, i also have problems with sleep, memory, concentration, personal hygine, also unfamiliar situations cause my illness to worsen, just thinking of ATOS drives me bloody mad, it’s all i think about 24/7, i would rather kill myself than have to go to see these people, god i feel so suicidal.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 14, 2012 @ 12:03 am

  705. Hello Anonymous.

    Don’t do anything like that, see your GP and let him/her know how you feel.

    You and your representative should be aiming for ESA special circumstances 35 (2)(b) or at the very least, ESA special circumstances 29 (2)(b).
    So you see it’s not all doom and gloom.

    If and when you are assessed and the worst comes to the worst as far as benefits are concerned then make sure you are represented by your local welfare rights office.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 14, 2012 @ 8:54 am

  706. DWPExamination said:

    “If and when you are assessed and the worst comes to the worst as far as benefits are concerned then make sure you are represented by your local welfare rights office.”

    Excellent advice; as always, Admin, but if the Welfare Rights is the same in Annonymous’ area (and I would guestimate that it is), they will be overworked and NOT take any new cases on (for face-to-face assessments) and in my area, they have been forced not to take on any new appeals too.

    They are well overstretched and underfunded, and with more cuts to their budget (maybe altogether, who knows), things are only going to get worse.

    But; Annonymous, if your local Welfare Rights dept (usually found in your local council) are too busy and won’t be able to take on your case, all is NOT lost. There are plenty of charities etc, out there to help.

    You are not alone! Please don’t hurtyourself, or else this government have won again. If you need a face-to-face assessment, then so be it, don’t be suprised, and don’t take it personally, if and when they fail you, it is not personal, they do it to a very high percentange. Appeal and fight it. Besides, you may not need to go for an assessment at all.

    Complete your ESA50 as accurately as possible and include evidence, for your best possible chance.

    For lots more support; please join us on our friendly forum here:


    Comment by Notwelliam — November 14, 2012 @ 9:24 am

  707. Thanks for that advise, i feel a bit better about that, i see my psych nurse next week, she has written me a letter of supporting evidence, telling them about my problems and that any undue anxiety can cause me to have a major relapse, but you know what ATOS are like they will probably disregard anything a proffesional tells them!

    Comment by Anonymous — November 14, 2012 @ 11:25 am

  708. Well ive got my “medical” looming again early next week (it was cancelled when I got there 4 wks ago) but Ive got a couple of questions.. I was wondering who you ask about the assessment been recorded? Do i ask the receptionist or the HCP or does it need to be pre arranged? & also if I get put into the work related group & appealed would I get the assessment rate £70 odd or the normal work related group rate £90 odd whilst waiting for the appeal to be heard? many thanks in advance

    Comment by jimmy — November 14, 2012 @ 11:33 am

  709. Hi Jimmy.

    You need to ask ATOS themselves by pre-arrangement, usually on the ESA50, you can still phone them and demand nicely.
    If you have to appeal then the assessment rate you will be paid is £71 per week. £142 per-fortnight.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 14, 2012 @ 1:35 pm

  710. Hi there dwp,
    thanks for your answer, just to confirm, even if i was awarded the work related rate of ninety odd pounds but appealed for the support group would that mean assessment rate? in other words if you appeal then its the assessment rate only, end of story, or do they put the work related component on top whilst appealing?

    Comment by jimmy — November 14, 2012 @ 2:00 pm

  711. You’ll get the rate you were awarded Jimmy.
    If your appealing against a fit for work decision you haven’t been awarded anything so the assessment rate would be £71 that’s ESA without the work related component part.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 14, 2012 @ 2:40 pm

  712. hi, i got put on the wrag, so i filled in gl3 form to claim for my partner because im only claiming for myself, nd now they stopped my money today, only until they recieve the form back, gl3 form, is that right, i only get 110 pounds a week just for myself not the mrs,

    Comment by mark — November 14, 2012 @ 7:10 pm

  713. Hello Mark.

    Think up a username and log in to our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org and ask them.

    Explain to them exactly what you mean ?, for instance did you have a functional assessment carried out by ATOS ? or did you get put in to the WRAG without an assessment ?
    Are you on income related ESA ? or are you on contributory ESA ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 14, 2012 @ 7:22 pm

  714. hi yes went for a medical got the results nd they put me on the wrag contributory, esa

    Comment by mark — November 15, 2012 @ 9:40 am

  715. is that good or bad, i really dont know the difference dwpexamination

    Comment by mark — November 15, 2012 @ 9:46 am

  716. Hello Mark.

    Your on Contributory ESA ? and the WRAG, do you know that it ends after 365 days and is retrospective ?.

    This means that if you were on Contributory ESA for let’s say 9 months ? it ends in three months, there’s no ifs or buts, the claimant receives a cold bloodied letter from the DWP saying the parties over.

    If you call the DWP and ask them what your supposed to do for money, they will tell you to go and sign on for work. They won’t even mention you can re-apply for Income related ESA just in case you meet the criteria.
    Which is your partner has to be earning less than £149 per week, and you must have less than £16,000 in the bank.

    But if you are on the support group of Contributory ESA it does not end in 365 days, the DWP don’t tell you this of course, so you need to ask yourself ”Can I appeal with a reasonable chance of getting in to the support group ?”.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 15, 2012 @ 9:54 am

  717. it does say 365 days, nd yes i have appeled to go into the support group,,

    Comment by mark — November 15, 2012 @ 10:14 am

  718. What do you think Mark ? if your on the WRAG of Contributory ESA and it ends after 365 days, but the support group of Contributory ESA is indefinite or at least until your next fixed ATOS assessment, then it’s not rocket science is it, so you tell me which one you’d like to be on ?.
    I know which one I’d prefer..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 15, 2012 @ 4:49 pm

  719. whick 1 would you prefer dwpexamination

    Comment by mark — November 15, 2012 @ 6:55 pm

  720. lol, dwpexamination just like i said i dont know what the difference is,,, which 1 would you prefer, then i know where i stand, thank you,.

    Comment by mark — November 15, 2012 @ 7:18 pm

  721. Hi Mark.

    I would prefer the Work related activity group of Contributory ESA, because I wish my money to end after 365 days.

    I wouldn’t like to go on to the Support group of ESA and stay on their indefinitely, that would be horrible, I agree with Mr Iain Duncan Smith and I welcome his initiative to make work pay by depriving me of money to live on, I don’t like this idea of wasting away on sickness benefits and would like the DWP to kid me on they are helping me find work.

    That’s just my preference, I’m sure a lot of people would disagree..!!

    Anyway, whichever one you choose I wish you the best of luck.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 15, 2012 @ 8:25 pm

  722. trueblue, dwpexamination, well said, but i cant due to my back pain nd both knees pain had an accident in work, nd also suffer from asma nd high blood pressure,, i rather work than have sick money

    Comment by mark — November 16, 2012 @ 9:25 am

  723. Hi Mark.

    I’m sure there’s some sort of work you could do ? just relax think of Britain and that will help the high blood pressure, some tramadol or co-drydomol for the back pain and you will be ready to take on the world.

    It’s great to see good folks like yourself willing and able to follow David Cameron and Co, do the right thing and struggle manfully through their daily difficulties (Even if it kills them) and find good honest work.

    If you find a job could you let me know where it is ? I would like a job too..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 16, 2012 @ 11:24 am

  724. lol,,,,,,,, ok

    Comment by mark — November 16, 2012 @ 2:34 pm

  725. Cheers Mark…Appreciate your sense of humour old boy, now get out there and get a job..lol.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 16, 2012 @ 4:40 pm

  726. got offered a job, but i have to pay all the rent 87 pounds a week, council tax 25 pounds a week bills 50 gas water electric, food 70 a week, total, 232 a week, if u stay on the sick, i get my housing benifit paid full, 87 pounds a week, council tax paid 25 pounds a week, i get 110 pounds a week from esa, which covers my bills nd food,. so whats the worth working, if i work il be in financial difficult, if i stay on the sick i have nothing to worry about see what i mean dwpexamination, you tell me,.

    Comment by mark — November 16, 2012 @ 6:49 pm

  727. Hi Mark.

    What about self respect Mark ? what about doing the right thing for Queen, god and country ?.

    If you got offered a job then that means you must be capable of working, or you wouldn’t have been offered the job, and so you are – according to the law – not entitled to sickness benefits.

    So in effect, you are by your own admission a scrounger with no intention of ever working for your daily bread, just a parasite who lives of it’s host, sucking it’s very life blood.

    The host being the British taxpayer, and folk like yourself sucking for dear life on it’s teet.

    Get yea out Sir, and work for your living, this is a Blog for people who are ill and or disabled, not Jack the lads slumming on the main chance.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 16, 2012 @ 7:31 pm

  728. dwpexamination, u rat,what happened to the words i wrote you creep, what a scum bag you are.

    Comment by mark — November 18, 2012 @ 1:16 pm

  729. This place isn’t a learning zone for how to stay unfit for work mate, the people in here are quite severely ill and getting shit upon by the system, its buggers like you who make it so hard for us.

    Comment by John I — November 18, 2012 @ 1:36 pm

  730. Mark.

    Well it’s not much more, only ten pounds a week more, I appreciate what your saying, but you need to take in to consideration that you are capable of working, and should take that job which was offered, instead of kidding on your ill.

    As John 1 says, it’s folk like you that are making it virtually impossible for genuine folk like him, so I’m asking you to do the right thing and report to the DWP that you are more than capable and can take that job, have some self respect Mark.

    As for your previous abusive comment ? I have been forced to delete it, because it’s just filth, and people on here don’t need to see nonsense like that, but this comment (730), a personal attack on me will stay, why ? because I want everyone to read this to see what kind of person you really are Mark.

    A piece of trash, who is on this site for one reason and one reason only, to suck it’s very lifeblood for every piece of information and intelligence you can gather, and for what ? to rob the Country and the honest taxpayer.

    No Mark, we don’t want your type here, there’s no vacancies, no trespassing, beware of the dog, you got it ? scram Mark ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 18, 2012 @ 3:31 pm

  731. tosser

    Comment by mark — November 18, 2012 @ 3:58 pm

  732. hello, i used to be on esa wrag, ever since i tooken up a job im pennyless i have no food money nothing, can i get other help, im married have 1 daughter whos 19, she works and my partner doesnt.

    Comment by paul — November 18, 2012 @ 4:01 pm

  733. Paul…Why is your IP number exactly the same as Marks IP number ? dear oh dear, your not very well edumacated are you Mark ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 18, 2012 @ 4:26 pm

  734. Well at least we know he won’t be employed as a hacker..

    Comment by John I — November 18, 2012 @ 4:36 pm

  735. He couldn’t hack his way out of a hedge in his back garden.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 18, 2012 @ 5:46 pm

  736. PMSL.

    Comment by Notwelliam — November 18, 2012 @ 5:53 pm

  737. well ive just been to my assessment & on the whole it wasnt too bad. I was seen by a nurse who was very nice/friendly etc. I recorded the whole thing & hope I wont need the recordings but probably will. I will update with how i got on when they contact me, the HCP said it would take around 4-6 weeks for the decision to be made. The only thing I can say as way of a warning to others is they tried to steer me down a path whilst asking about my hobbies & interests. They asked about whether i watch tv,, use facebook send emails play computer games, do crosswords & puzzles. So be careful what you say.

    Comment by jimmy — November 20, 2012 @ 3:32 pm

  738. Cheers Jimmy, let us know what happens..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 20, 2012 @ 5:15 pm

  739. I got the 15 points needed but my esa runs out on the 16 feb 2013 to which i then am deemed fit to work and will not get any benefits from that date.I suffer with mental health and this whole process is making me worse ( im now on more meds than before this whole charade ) im waiting for my appeal which im told will be in 8-10 weeks time. I also have the support from my gp and she is writing a letter to state im not fit for work but after reading what atos is like im not sure that will stand up in their eyes. when i attend the tribunal if i cant cope with my anxiety and i leave the room will i be penalised for that….just asking as i had to attend the job centre the other day and i broke down as i counldnt deal with the stress and pressure of it all many thanks lorraine

    Comment by lorraine — November 21, 2012 @ 1:27 pm

  740. Hello again. So sorry to trouble you at every hurdle but i wondered if you could tell me the steps after i submit my appeal? it went in 6 weeks ago.

    I was put in the WRAG and Im appealing to be placed into the support group. I got some terrific advice from you a few months ago after the Jobcentreplus people told me not to bother appealing because nobody can receive ESA for longer than 12 months lol and my appeal was out of its time limit.

    Is the appeal heard internally to begin with? and if I disagree does it go to tribunal?? im not sure.

    Same old same old just like everyone else I have multiple spinal injuries, PTSD depression etc. insomnia lots of different medicines so i have been very grateful for all your advice. I was also awarded low rate DLA after being given information on this site!! SO THANKS SO MUCH x if the worst comes to the worst that will really help. My partner earn £176 per week self employed before tax and insurance so it looks like we wont qualify for ESA income related but we have four children so things will be difficult. Without your help I would never have applied for DLA. I applied 12 years ago but was rejected and didnt appeal because i was too frightened lol. Now i know i would have qualified years ago because i know the system better and that it knocks you back automatically.
    very grateful for any advice.

    kind regards

    Comment by Nikki — November 23, 2012 @ 4:35 pm

  741. Hi Nikki.

    The cut of point for income related is £149 per week so it just may be possible somehow, get advice from the CAB on that, your joint savings must be no more that £16,000 so if need be take advice first.

    Ok so your applying to get in the support group and the DWP are at the moment re-considering before you go forward to the appeal service, sometimes they concede and give you what you want and sometimes they don’t, let’s see what happens first, it can take the DWP a couple of weeks or a couple of months before they get back to you.

    If you do get the support group then you will be entitled to full ESA, until the next fixed assessment from ATOS, It’s worth fighting for, so don’t give up, with your health problems you have nothing really to lose by appealing.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 24, 2012 @ 2:36 am

  742. The bastards! Zero points. I wasnt expecting zero.. Im so shocked right now.. They say “evidence indicates that I can walk more than 200 metres” even though I told them 40metres before i need rest. Same with sitting & standing. I have a provable condition. 100% blockages in my femoral artries in both legs. I CANT WALK 200METES. The letter says i have to phone or write to ask them to look at the decision again before the appeal process starts & get leaflet GL24. I will do that this afternoon (or whenever i get over the shock) & get an appointment with CAB. I will keep posting my progress (or lack of it)

    Comment by jimmy — November 26, 2012 @ 12:27 pm

  743. by the way, Does this mean my Dla is next for the chop?

    Comment by jimmy — November 26, 2012 @ 12:28 pm

  744. They sometimes use that report to deny you DLA jimmy.
    So get cracking with that appeal, they are going to reconsider nothing, it’s just a delaying tactic, better to just demand a GL24 and start the appeal, add in you do not wish a false reconsideration.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 26, 2012 @ 1:57 pm

  745. ok, Ive downloaded GL24. I agree its not worth asking them to reconsider so how do I go about starting the appeal from scratch without the reconsideration BS first? Do I fill out the GL24 & send it off asap or do I write to them first saying “I do not want a false reconsideration & want to go straight to appeal” or does it not really matter? Also, just to confirm, does any evidence i.e letter from GP etc have to be sent with the GL24 ?
    Many thanks for taking the timeout to help. I can tell you your advice & support has been & continues to be invaluable to me & many others in this awful situation….Thank you

    Comment by jimmy — November 26, 2012 @ 2:41 pm

  746. Hi Jimmy.

    Just write on the small box on the GL24 an introduction to your appeal.

    Dear Sir/Madam.

    I wish to appeal against your decision to find me fit for work, therefore in order to do this could you please forward me the ESA85 assessment report, and the decision makers scoresheet.
    I understand that to be eligible for the assessment rate and to comply with the law while I wait for the appeal to be heard, I have to supply your office with a sicknote, please find one sicknote attached, also attached is a letter of support from my GP.
    Please do not treat this as my main appeal, I hope you will appreciate that will follow later on A4 paper after I’ve had some time to study the ESA85 assessment report in great detail.

    Thank you.
    Jimmy Blogs.

    You see Jimmy, you are demonstrating to them that you are under no illusions, you do not expect a reconsideration, and you want to appeal within the monthly deadline while at the same time letting them know that you wish to be paid the assessment rate while you wait, and also you are supplying their office with a sicknote which by law they must receive before they can pay you.
    You are also letting them know that once the ESA85 assessment report arrives then you can send the whole of the appeal on A4 paper, you might want to write on just one sheet of A4 paper, some people write out a dozen A4 papers, everyone is different, but it’s difficult to find anyone who can appeal on the tiny little box they supply you with on the GL24 appeal form.

    (PS) Any letters you send should be copies, never ever send the DWP or ATOS the originals, they are criminals (Not them all, but a lot of them) and will take that opportunity to say they never received it, after they have thrown it in the nearest bin.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 26, 2012 @ 4:01 pm

  747. You are funny DWPex it makes everything look not so bad, I love the things you say. I think you know what I know and we are all playing a game. And thats how it should be looked at instead of ripping oursleves to pieces with sheer fright of the fight when really those who are ill need not to worry really you just got to play the game right. they stop you money you appeal and get some money so your not left without any so no need to worry and get upset(which i do i must admit so i kick myslef) to stop.

    The Game ‘ Lets get you off benefits’
    We give info to DWP/JCP and back the info with info from GP and other persons with our care. Then ATOS closely look at everything (or do they?)and see if they can do a check mate and when they cannot you win the game.
    Somtimes ATOS cheat though (lot) and lie (lot)and put things or say different to what you said ( a lot) and then dont say anything about your hospital letters they read (a lot) then the game goes to the DM who is playing with ATOS and you lose.
    But there is another part of the game called Appealing lol….i could go on DWPex knows all about it. I would rather look at it all as a game (its hard no doubt) so I do not get so upset and have a little laugh about it.
    The only thing is the Tax payers money is being used in this game paying once for a medical assessment and then time for DWP to deal with the decsion and then maybe a appeal process. What the hell is going on .

    My GP did a ESA113 and another HCP went by what she said so why are they useing ATOS ?????

    Comment by MISSBOOBY — November 27, 2012 @ 1:17 am

  748. be carefull when sending a Med3 I was not paid for weeks when appealing when my MP contacted them JCP told them they did not have a MED3 to pay me although they had duplicates my MP sent and my original ???where did it go they did not mention anything for weeks about this….I wander why?

    Comment by MISSBOOBY — November 27, 2012 @ 1:22 am

  749. If you squeezed a thousand random tax payers into a room and informed them on what ATOS and the DWP were doing with their money, they wouldn’t believe it, and if you could manage to persuade them to see sense they would demand an end to the DWP and ATOS.
    Sure it’s a game these people are playing, but it’s unfortunately a deadly game, human beings are dying because of Iain Duncan Smith and his draconian welfare reform policies.
    Meanwhile we have no choice but to jump through their hoops and play their game until we find a way to get rid of them.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 27, 2012 @ 7:10 am

  750. Do what I did, send Mr Cameron an email via the contact his office link on the 10 Downing Street page damning the DWP and ATOS system, I called it an illegal system just waiting for a whistleblower TV exposure. (if in doubt go for the media headline)

    It will get binned after reading but, one or two emails a day to the office won’t hurt and I call it my official duty an an ex Tax payer. Call it doing my bit for my DWP money ;)

    Comment by John I — November 27, 2012 @ 9:59 am

  751. Meant to say, Do what I do, not do what I did……Its an ongoing task on my part :)

    Should you feel the need


    Comment by John I — November 27, 2012 @ 10:02 am

  752. These ‘snobs with jobs (TM me)’ need to be reminded that they are PUBLIC SERVANTS and not just Posh boys and gals making a living fleecing the general public. Maybe UKIP with stir the matey when they get in, I certainly hope so.

    On a DWP note, I got a letter telling me they were going to make a home visit to discuss the benefit cap in April, I had the pleasure after returning from my blood transfusion yesterday to tell them they can sod off as I am being operated on that day and my double hernia will need rest and I WON’T be having visitors thank you.

    They promptly cancelled the visit and actually wished me well which decoded means I hope you perish on the operating table you horrible unemployed person.

    Oh well, 8 weeks away from these cretins at ATOS, they can wait to give me zero points.

    Comment by John I — November 27, 2012 @ 10:11 am

  753. Thank you, I will put exactly that on the GL24 & post it as soon as ive seen my gp for a sicknote (i havent had to give a sicknote in for over 7 years) so have made an appointment to see my gp on Mon… The JCP letter says they will pay me Incap benefit until Dec 14 so that gives me a bit of time to get sicknote etc in before they stop my money.

    Comment by jimmy — November 27, 2012 @ 12:10 pm

  754. Im sorry its me again!

    So I have my paperwork from DWP and their arguements and opinions as to why I should not be put into the support group. Can I ask, with the wait to get into a tribunal in my area currently running between 7 to 9 months why do they not allow me to make assessment rate claim whilst I await their decision? I have been told that because i was WRAG contributions they wont even chuck me onto JSA like a lot of other people have been. The reason my 365 days have expired was because they made it so very retrospective so that they didn’t give me any time to get the appeals process going.

    How long after you have been thrown off ESA can you make a brand new claim from scratch? Is this allowed?

    Ive also been told that without a letter from a GP or specialist explaining that I am unable to work for all the reasons necessary my tribunals for ESA and increased DLA will fail.

    I thought a GP sicknote was proof enough, with your GP records but Im told apparently not.

    Are DLA and ESA tribunals very different from each other??

    Kind regards and thanks again. xxx

    Comment by Nikki — November 27, 2012 @ 10:14 pm

  755. Hello Nikki.

    You will not get any money at all with respect to ESA unless they grant the support group, unfortunately they haven’t conceded and you have to appeal, and you were on Contributory ESA and as you know that’s over, when they said it ends after 365 days and is retrospective they weren’t kidding.

    They know you can survive (Albeit barely) because if you aren’t entitled to income related then they know your partner has some money or you/he have money in the bank.

    So then if you are appealing to get in the support group, then some kind of support from your GP or consultant is imperative for success, they usually charge a fee and that is leading to problems with people who just can’t afford their extortionate fees.

    Ive never been to a DLA appeal personally, but since the DWP in a lot of cases are using the ESA assessment to demonstrate that one is not entitled to DLA then I can’t see how they can be any different.

    I would like to take this opportunity to reiterate what Ive been saying all along, a letter from the DWP in the past that says ”I HAVE BEEN GRANTED DLA/IB for life” means absolutely nothing, it isn’t worth the paper it’s written on, unfortunately there are a lot of deluded people out there who are in for the shock of their lives when they finally wake up and smell the coffee.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 28, 2012 @ 8:59 am

  756. Many thanks for your response just wondered how long it is before someone who has exhausted 365 days on ESA can reapply?

    Just to tell you that I am very grateful for all your help. It must be very time consuming and stressful having to listen to all of our problems as well as your own.

    Your help has been invaluable.


    Comment by Nikki — November 28, 2012 @ 9:18 am

  757. Hello Nikki.

    Anyone can apply for income related ESA if they have health problems, that’s not a problem, it’s meeting their strict criteria that’s the problem.
    It’s designed that way so that anyone with any kind of tiny income or savings have to use that first. I can envisage a lot of couples looking at their finances and thinking is it worth us staying together ? perhaps I would be better just getting a bedsit applying for income related and come and visit you every so often, at least we would have a little extra to enable us to survive.

    This Government of posh boys (Who’ve never known hunger or any kind of poverty) just haven’t got a clue have they ?.

    I don’t know what’s going to happen I really don’t, but I know one thing we are heading for disaster.


    Comment by dwpexamination — November 28, 2012 @ 10:04 am

  758. Morning,
    I was directed to you by the friend of a friend so word is getting out about your excellent site, I only wish I had discovered you earlier. I like thousands of others am stressed out with anxiety, which is having a detriomental effect on my already poor health.

    I have spent a few hours reading the questions and advice posted, this has enabled me to gain a better understanding of the majority of my queries and concerns related to esa, medical examination and appealing I shall be passing onto others. As scarry as the realities are I am at least comforted that I am not going out of my mind believing that reports in the media cannot just be isolated cases.

    I would apprieciate if someone could offer me some advice and information on a couple of concerns for which I am still confused. I am having a medical next Monday, I understand this will determine my eligibity to ESA and whether its work or support group related. I am however worried how this will impact on my DLA and my income support disability payment.

    I was awarded DLA higher level care and mobility indefinetly at the begining of the year. I have only been informed that Incapacity benefit will soon no longer exist, and I was consequently instructed to complete the form and attend a mediacal. (I have not been informed that I have been changed from IB to ESA as yet).

    I am out of my mind with worry. Can anyone help?

    Comment by Debs — November 28, 2012 @ 12:27 pm

  759. Hi DWP, Just a quick question. When i see my GP for a sick note. Do I ask for it to be back dated to the date of the assessment or the date i got the letter telling me id failed or, the day of my last Incap payment which is Dec 14?
    Many thanks

    Comment by jimmy — November 28, 2012 @ 1:01 pm

  760. Hi Jimmy.

    When you see your GP, ask him to backdate the sicknote to the date the DWP informed you that you were fit for work.

    NOT the date of the assessment, but the date the decision maker said you were work fit, they will pay you from that date.

    How ironic is that, a penpusher decides when you were unfit, nothing but a farce eh.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 29, 2012 @ 8:57 am

  761. Hello Debs.

    Everyone on IB is being transferred to ESA, usually after an assessment.
    They may say to you after the assessment that you are not entitled to ESA because you have failed the assessment, of course this is all BS, and is just a ploy to discourage you.
    It’s normal for the DWP to fail people who are totally crippled, lung cancer, only days to live etc.
    So expect to fail and expect to appeal, you can get all the information you need to help you in the struggle against ATOS and the DWP here dwpexamination.org
    By the way, the DWP have tried to use the failed ATOS assessment report to deny some people their DLA, and at other times they have had to be assessed for DLA separately, expect the DWP to try any stunt, it’s normal now, so try not to worry and take each day as it comes, unlike them we are all in this together.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 29, 2012 @ 9:14 am

  762. It’s a TOTAL FARCE dwp. I just can’t get over it. To make matters worse i was chatting to an old school friend who informed me he is in the support group by “pretending to be mad” in the assessment. He took his brother along as a pretend carer & between them proceeded to deceive the whole thing. He was laughing saying how they don’t get in touch with your GP therefore “you can tell them anything”. He made me feel sick!

    Comment by Jimmy — November 29, 2012 @ 10:18 am

  763. He might well be mad Jimmy, if he’s going around talking like that.
    If he isn’t mad then he’s playing a dangerous game, he only needs one scrape with the law or the wrong person on the street, the authorities then look at his health record and he can be sectioned on the spot, so he’s not quite as smart as he thinks he is.


    Comment by dwpexamination — November 29, 2012 @ 11:40 am

  764. Can you tell me if a person is not well on the day of the appeal is to be heard, will they make another date or say you never attended etc?
    I know when your medical is due you are allowed to cancel once then after that they go mental if you do it again for some reason and say you will fail if you don’t go the second time.
    I know when I went for my medical, the room was full and receptionist said there was a 2 hour wait. I told her I couldn’t sit or stand for 2 hours and they made another appt for me.
    I of course got the usual zero points which I am appealing against. Wonder if they get a bonus for everyone they fail?

    Comment by Davscot — November 29, 2012 @ 4:00 pm

  765. Davscot.

    If a person turns up at an appeal hearing obviously ill, then the appeal can be postponed, it’s possible they may look at that case on the spot and find in your favour, it just depends on the type of illness.

    The DWP decision maker gets performance related pay, another (Glorified) name for a bonus. And so do ATOS.
    That’s why they are so zealous in carrying out their evil work..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 29, 2012 @ 9:21 pm

  766. Just that sometimes when my back goes, I can hardly walk without holding on to something. Other days it is bearable, but if it goes again I will still turn up because the appeal hearing is only 5 miles away so will do as you say.
    Thanks again.

    Comment by Davscot — November 30, 2012 @ 12:57 pm

  767. Evening DWPex (ref 760)
    Thankyou for your realistic response and for reasurring people like myself that its the flaud ‘sick ‘ system that needs a fitness assessment. On a positive note, I no longer feel so isolated in my anxieties, also I am now more prepared to face any potential negatives. Two days to go!

    Once again my apprieciation. Keep up the supportive advice.
    KInd regards

    Comment by Debs — December 1, 2012 @ 6:12 pm

  768. Cheers Debs…Don’t forget to log in to http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 2, 2012 @ 1:35 am

  769. Evening DWPex ‘pert’

    Assessment over with- so so tired and relieved its done.
    Hehe! it should come with a government health warning. This process may not only damage your mental stabilty but your only means of financial support.

    Sadly today I did come across some who openly admitted esa was a financial option rather than a safety net.

    That aside, I believe that I answered all the questions clearly and succictly with examples,so as to reduce examiners speculation ( examples I can again use at appeal if required). To be fair to the doctor, he did tell me if I was required to attend further assessments 13weeks – 6 month intervals to get my GP to complete an ESA 113 and ultimatetly it wasn’t down to his report but the DECISION MAKER @ BIG BROTHER ATOS. He also told me if I didnt agree with the decision maker to go to tribunal. Equally, on tasks I clearly was unable to do I asked ‘will this be marked as a decline’, he said no. I am not holding my breath lets see what the decision is by someone who has never met me.

    He helped me on with my cardigan and coat before wishing me well.

    I know I wouldn’t have handled this experience as well if I hadn’t been prepared with the view that this was just a potential stepping stone to the appeal process. I am going to take each day as it comes as you advised, well till I get my letter. Afterall, I believe that myself and the folks that hold this blog site dear, given the choice to have our poor health erased away – we would be in work dispite the economic climate. We are in need of support because we are unable to work, not SCROUNGERS who AVIOD work. Gosh, placid me is getting to sound like you DWPex.

    Thanks again for your support of me and others like me.
    Kind regards

    Comment by Debs — December 3, 2012 @ 7:42 pm

  770. ps just noticed the second letter of email add i not j corrected. First blogg been on don’t want to appear fraudster hee hee!!!

    Comment by Debs — December 3, 2012 @ 7:59 pm

  771. Let’s see what happens Debs and we can take it from there..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 4, 2012 @ 12:26 am

  772. Like you said- we are all in it together, no need to feel alone!
    Kind Regards and BIG thankyou X

    Comment by Debs — December 4, 2012 @ 2:14 am

  773. Debs…73 people are dying every week because of ATOS and their fabricated medical assessments.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 4, 2012 @ 9:34 am

  774. I just replied to that thread on the newspaper, one rather harsh idiot thought it was almost annoying that sick and elderly people dare complain about the loss of their money and not celebrate the ‘quality of their life as it is’.

    Makes me realise just how ignorant some people are, most likely sitting there on his or her own chucking darts at pics of unemployed sick people.

    Comment by mclaneinc — December 4, 2012 @ 12:34 pm

  775. Well sat here awaiting my assessment ‘call up’, I told them I was in hospital and needing 8 weeks recovery from double hernia surgery but I’m sure some little Nazi at the DWP and ATOS will see that as a ‘challenge’. If they think I’m going ANYWHERE while I’m in this much pain they can kiss my @%$&.

    Shame that the English media are not having the same balls as that Scottish Paper and doing stories on this illegal shambles.

    Comment by mclaneinc — December 4, 2012 @ 12:39 pm

  776. hello just to let you all know what Ive found out whilst trying to gather evidence for my appeal.

    Unfortunately my local CAB is inundated with people that need help with representation at appeals and cannot help represent me, they put me in touch with a local group called Disability support in Stoke on Trent as our very tight council will not fund a Welfare Rights Officer (at this I was disgusted) Disability support are also unable to represent me due to high volumes of people needing help but they did give me a great peice of advice.

    They told me NOT to go to my appeal without a medical report and a letter from my GP saying that under no circumstances am I fit for work and should be put into the support group. I was told that the report can be from either a GP or consultant and should contain a comprehensive list or symptoms and how they affect my ability to work and live on a daily basis.

    I was told that quite often a sicknote signing you off work, copies of GP notes and prescription lists are not enough to convince the doctor and judge on the appeals panel.

    Now I thought that a sicknote should carry some weight but apparently not.

    This isn’t the first time Ive heard it though, so I went to my GP and made the request. She said that the government had literally started to disregard GP opinion overnight and this is ususally what you have to do for the doctors opinion to be taken seriously.

    Still waiting for dates for ESA and DLA appeals. Apparently its 9-11 weeks before they can even tell you the date of appeal.

    Also I was told to send copies of any new evidence or reports to the DWP because they legally have to reconsider the evidence and that it may have the power to overturn the decision before the appeal is heard.

    Good luck all in the same boat! This site is the best! Thanks!!

    Comment by Nikki — December 4, 2012 @ 1:24 pm

  777. Cheers…thanks for the heads up info Nikki.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 4, 2012 @ 8:16 pm

  778. Did you see the comment bu Francis Mooney ? what a fool.


    Comment by dwpexamination — December 4, 2012 @ 8:21 pm

  779. Yes, I’m on there as my real name John Irvine having a go at the idiot.

    A total numpty living in a different world to the rest of us and he then later posts that he wasn’t aware of the awarding of the money rules, ie he spewed nonsense knowing zero about the subject.

    That man could be an MP…

    Comment by mclaneinc — December 5, 2012 @ 10:29 am

  780. And a bit of light relief for in here, I have my own sub forum on another well known lock picking forum, its a great fun hobby that any one can do without the need of massive movement or dexterity. The people on there know of my mental and health issues and always are supportive and great friends.

    Here’s what one did using my photo..

    He said

    “i keep hearing how rough you are and hardly mobile, then i see this.”


    So, there can be a bit of fun around this, no doubt ATOS will use the video as proof of my mobility :)

    Comment by mclaneinc — December 5, 2012 @ 10:33 am

  781. Afternoon
    I have read some of the articles ( unable to read more) I was in tears so so sad and so so avoidable. I then read Nikkis situation. You are the expert on these matters Im just overwellmeld. I have made a few calls. If this information is unhelpful please delete, I will not be affended, my intentention is only to help. If Nikki can get it in writing or proof that there is no wefare officer/ CAB representative available to support her, and financially she is unable to instruct a solicitor, she is at disadvantage. CAB should help her with a written report to support her situation. I believe the panel have to take this into consideration. My posts perhaps reflect my niave nature.
    Kind regards

    Comment by Debs — December 5, 2012 @ 1:39 pm

  782. Hi I,am in the same boat as everyone on here I dont want to talk about my problem on here. but for the ones before me and the ones after me, there is only one way out of this shit that we are all in. The conservative are now know as the nazi party and labour party will become the hitler youth and what I mean by that is when tony blair took over in 1997 he sat on there policy for another two years and they will do the same again.you will never see the back of atos with these partys,. they are like a three clegg chair sorry i mean three legged chair with the libs as the third leg, how many people will loss there homes and many people will die before its all over. IF 6000.000-7000.000 mil are off benafits in two and half years time I mean there is 11.000 every week and more if they can. there will never be anuff jobs out there, any way and the only thing you will be buying is food, most other business will sufer, like it or not we keep the money going round. well 10-15 years ago these partys shit there self when in barking two canserlors form the BNP got in and it made them sit up and listen. there is thousands of us at this moment who are scared. UKIP is an upper comeing party already the the nazi wants to do deals with them. dont forget what thacher did in the 90s with the poll tax this looks like a con again. If you lose your home you lose your vote thats how thacher got her last win in the government by forcing the poll tax on us, just in case your wondering i am a labour voter but it lookes like things will change, if this party policy is going to effect me and my home then i will effect them with my vote, i just hope that i am not on my own on this subject. thank you.

    Comment by Anonymous — December 8, 2012 @ 3:19 am

  783. Evening DWPex’
    I had a phone call yesterday with regard to my assessment

    Comment by Debs — December 8, 2012 @ 10:44 pm

  784. … (continued dont know what I did)
    My benefits will remain unchanged – just have a different name apart from DLA. I wish everyone who uses this site my heartfelt best wishes. Ive dealt with some seriously bad stressfull situations, this has been severe. Keep up the excellent support DWPex’. Again a BIG thankyou!!! A few weeks to just deal with just my health challenges before potential review, at least now I am informed- credit to this site.
    Kinest thoughts

    Comment by Debs — December 8, 2012 @ 10:59 pm

  785. If your contrabutions ESA has run out apply for Income Related ESA ASAP

    Comment by Defender of Mankind — December 9, 2012 @ 12:07 am

  786. People not in the Support Group who have already been entitled to contribution-based ESA for 365 days or more will have their entitlement stopped when the change is introduced. Claimants with an underlying entitlement to income-related ESA will be automatically moved onto this benefit when their contribution-based ESA ends.

    Comment by Defender of Mankind — December 9, 2012 @ 12:12 am

  787. Benefits and Alternative Support
    What other benefits can people claim when their contribution-based Employment and Support Allowance ends?
    Only claimants who have alternative resources available to them will not qualify for income-related Employment and Support Allowance. Alternative resources could be things like savings, private pensions, works pensions etc. If a claimant believes they do not have other sources of income they should submit a claim for income-related benefit.
    People who do not qualify for income-related Employment and Support Allowance after their time-limited contribution-based Employment and Support Allowance ends will still be able to receive National Insurance credits so they can maintain their National Insurance contribution record and access the support offered from the Work Programme. Depending on their circumstances they may also be able to claim other benefits, however, any benefit entitlement will depend on individual circumstances.

    Comment by Defender of Mankind — December 9, 2012 @ 12:16 am

  788. Certain savings are disregarded and over a certain savings you can still get benefit at a reduced rate. Please enquire on this information filling in forms does not hurt but not filling in forms does as you will not know if your entitled to anything unless you apply

    Comment by Defender of Mankind — December 9, 2012 @ 12:19 am

  789. http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/esa-changes-q-and-a.pdf

    Comment by Defender of Mankind — December 9, 2012 @ 12:21 am

  790. Thanks Debs.

    We’re trying our best to see that people can attain their rights, the DWP and ATOS will tell us nothing, so we must help each other, unlike them we are not judge and jury, people need help ? so we try and help.


    Comment by dwpexamination — December 9, 2012 @ 7:00 am

  791. Keep your eyes and ears open Debs because they will be back one day, it’s a constant stressful merry go round.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 9, 2012 @ 3:10 pm

  792. Hi, well i thought i would add to this, went for a medical this morning! hmm interesting, how anyone can tell the in’s and out’s of someone illness/disability asking the questions they do i will never know! The lady i saw was rude, miserable and very unpleasant!
    I have depression/anxiety/panic attacks/sciatica i do not & will not leave my house unless i really have to, going to this appointment has made me very ill as i know i had no choice to do due to benefits being stopped & being a single mum i couldn’t have this as i have to think of my children.
    So i turn up, i wait, i am then called in to which i am told this is not a appointment to diagnose my conditions nor is it to treat them, well yeah obviously this is the job of my GP thanks! I am also told that the questions may seem silly but there is reason behind them!
    I then get asked questions -
    Tell me about your depressions history?
    how does it effect your life?
    What is a day like for you 24hrs?
    Do you watch TV? – Sometimes not very often though, sometimes when i go to bed.
    What do you watch on TV if you do watch TV? the news
    Do you have a mobile phone? yes
    What do you use it for? erm to phone people! is that all? yes
    If the phone rings do you always answer it? no depends on my state of mind that day, sometimes i dont want to speak with anyone at all.
    Do you cook? yes mostly, i mean come on? no i don’t feed my kids! (ludicrous)
    What do you cook? erm Pasta, chicken nuggets!
    Do you go food shopping? No
    How do you get food then? online shopping and anything else i need my mother gets for me through the week.
    Do you answer the front door? to which i said do you mean can i answer the front door physically? no they say do you answer if someone is there? No not unless i know them & still sometimes no depending on my mood/state of mind that day!
    How did you get here today – My Mother
    Who lives at your house? me and my children. anyone else? No
    Do you take your children to school? no my mother does, do you ever go to the school? sometimes in the car depending