Dwp examination

DWP / SS Comparison

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I have been wondering for a while now, where the DWP actually get their administration ideas from? Today I accidentally discovered the answer. I was watching a programme on the history channel, it was entitled ‘Auschwitz, the Nazis a warning from history’.

The programme gave a dramatised presentation of the facts surrounding the selection of mentally and physically ill/unfit people for summary euthanasia, Lets make a comparison, shall we?

The Nazis.

Mengele, an alleged Doctor

Mengele, an alleged Doctor

The Nazis invented a process which involved three alleged Doctors. Each alleged Doctor was given a single sheet of paper containing the smallest amount of information relating to an individual as possible. The alleged Doctors then read the documents and marked those they had selected with a red pen in a small box at the bottom of the form. The forms from all three were then correlated and the majority score devcided the fate of the individual. None of the alleged doctors met to discuss their findings. A single person or decision maker was responsible for the final outcome. The individual in question was not seen by either the alleged Doctors or the Decision maker, but was simply shipped away to be murdered.

Sound familiar?


The DWP use a process which involves one alleged Doctor. Each alleged Doctor was given a copy of the IB50 containing detailed information relating to the individual. The alleged Doctor then read the documents, question the individual about random entries, make up their own answers, feed this into a computer and enter their conclusion in a small box at the bottom of the form. The form is passed to a ‘decision maker’ to decide the fate of the individual. Neither meet to discuss their findings. A single person or decision maker is responsible for the final outcome. The individual in question is seen by the alleged Doctor but not the ‘decision maker’, the claimant is not asked for their input, neither is their GP. The decision maker then stop the claimants benefits causing sever stress and hardship.

Lets name and shame these bastards, its time to fight back, these people are messing with our lives and by that are infringing our human rights. I cant do this alone, are you with me?

I rest my case

I’ll be back


  1. Did you know ATOS also wanted to help run the ID card scheme?

    Did you know they are providing services for the olympics, and the prison service, royal mail etc..

    Comment by thinkpad — June 19, 2009 @ 11:22 pm

  2. ATOS are a massive company, I think they are based in America and offer I.T. solutions. Smacks of George Orwells 1984 doesnt it?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 20, 2009 @ 8:53 am

  3. I know you had it in the title and written above and underneath it but it does sound identical – without the sentences regarding DWp i think I would have thought that anyway. Great comparison.

    Comment by New Deal — September 7, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

  4. Its true, its all true.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 7, 2009 @ 6:27 pm

  5. This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
    While you all have time to sit around thinking about this, I’ll be at work earning the money that feeds you.
    Get real and get a job, for goodness sake.

    Comment by Worker — October 6, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

  6. Thanks for that Worker! I assume you sent your comment from your home computer and in your own time. Whilst I appreciate the time and effort you put into your comment and the tax pounds you pay into the system on our behalf I feel I must remind you that the benefits we claim are already pre paid for by ourselves when we were in the working population. Furthermore, some of our benefits are taxable, as in my case. For your information, I acknowledge there are people within the benefits system who are abusing it and do not condone thier actions, in fact Ia think they should be jailed regardless of the amount they have illegally claimed. I like many other claimants of disability benefits am looking forward to returning to work once I have had the necessary surgery to do so. I like many other disabled benefit claimants am not work shy, am in this condition due to working physically hard for most of my life and unlike you have the common sense to look before I leap. Do not forget, genuinely disabled people are grateful for every benefit they receive and most have paid into the system before they have taken out of it. You quite plainly say get a job, I say to you try to imagine not being able to get a job because of physical or mantal infirmity, then again, (Judging you by your comments as you have judged me by mine)you may not be capable of doing that. Get real………..For goodness sake!

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 7, 2009 @ 8:40 am

  7. ATOS Origin is actually Schlumberger-SEMA, by another name.

    Schlumberger-SEMA lost the contract for doing these medical exams, when they were accused of corrupt practices, and selling claimant’s data to 3rd parties. ATOS Origin operates from the SAME OFFICES as the old “SS”.

    An examination of companies hous records reveals that there are a host of ATOS companies, preformed and preregistered, to take over the running of other “Government Departments”.

    These fraudsters are just milking the taxpayer, and are friends of “St.Peter”,
    so this is just a transparent scam really.

    Comment by Sleuth — January 25, 2010 @ 6:04 am

  8. How did our elected Government allow our fate to be put into the hands of a collective of multinational companies at massive expense to the tax payer. They are making huge profits out of our misery.

    Comment by Kate — April 19, 2010 @ 7:17 pm

  9. This is not what we pay our taxes for!

    Comment by Kate — April 19, 2010 @ 7:19 pm

  10. You know the DWP workers union are not happy about outsourcing these services to profit making orgainisations.

    Comment by Anonymous — April 19, 2010 @ 7:29 pm

  11. Have you seen how big Schlumberger are and how many companies they have taken over. 77,000 employees in 126 different countries. They will be running this country before long. I’m supprised they are not standing for election or do they contribute to the election fund? 1984, we’re already living it and didn’t know it!

    Comment by Anonymous — April 19, 2010 @ 7:54 pm

  12. Thats why we need to appeal every bad decision they make, the more we make them work in having to deal with our apeals, the less profit they make. Hit them where it hurts, in the pocket.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 20, 2010 @ 7:13 am

  13. I know, but the Government think differently, and when we complain, they simply say ” you voted us in”, well, lets get rid of them too.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 20, 2010 @ 7:14 am

  14. Whenever targets are set and given to private profit making organisations, the first thing they want to do is meet them and take the money. The quicker the better, so they fail 85% (Jobcentre staff quotation) of all those examined”. They know there will be appeals, but they are not bothered, they know they will walk away with a profit, unless we appeal at every stage.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 20, 2010 @ 7:16 am

  15. just read the daily mail on-line and council officials are illegally looking at peoples DWP records some are dismissed but others get nothing more than a slap on the wrist, but the DWP does not hold details of those they employ doing similar.

    Astonishingly, the DWP does not hold details of the number of its own staff caught doing the same thing.

    This means the real level of unauthorised access could be much higher.


    Comment by Dean — June 5, 2010 @ 12:34 pm

  16. Atos should only be paid for those who fail for ESA/DLA after every avenue has been exhausted by the claimant any claimant who goes to appeal or has the decision overturned and is awarded the benefit then Atos should not have that person count towards their target. SIMPLES

    Comment by Dean — June 5, 2010 @ 12:38 pm

  17. All Jobcentre mail for my local jobcentre is addressed to the Royal Mail Sorting Office and is opened there in the Royal Mail Opening Office before being sent on to the appropriate Jobcentre department even if it is marked ‘Private and Confidential’. Where’s the ‘data protection’. Benefit claimants are shown no respect and allowed no dignity!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 5, 2010 @ 3:08 pm

  18. Sleuth, culd you please give me some more info? very interested. In this past week I have heard today of two suicides! and in the past week 2 cases of severely disabled people , one wheelchair bound who needs full time care being told they are fit for work.

    This is terrible

    Thank you


    Comment by LJ — August 8, 2010 @ 12:50 am

  19. How do I find a competent lawyer in London to take DWP to court for compensation for great actual financial loss ? (benefits – a habitual residence case)
    I have tried for two days solid and all I can find is wheeler & dealer lawyers – mostly foreign – on how inveigle into & cheat the system. This is the opposite of what I want.
    DWP cheated me out of benefits for years & I want to sue.

    Comment by caroline boysen — September 30, 2010 @ 4:26 pm

  20. I would try searching the internet for Benefit Law experts, there must be some out there. I dont think Law firms would want to miss the boat, unless there is not enough money in it that is?

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 1, 2010 @ 6:37 am

  21. Dwp/SS comparison. Completely out of my experience of ESA itself and with no knowledge that sites like this existed I came to the same conclusion. The overarching idea is Arbeit Macht Frei. First the semantics…there are now no sick or incapacitated people in Britian..What does the phrase Employment and Support Allowance actually mean grammatically? Then a new field of medicine is created by politicians “disability assessment” or one could say “how to recognise sub-primes”. This politicised medicine is superior to medicine as we know it, in its own words it is not concerned with diagnosis or treatment but with ability to work. And by the magic of “computer says no” it can assess just that. If we define work as the expenditure of energy then every physical movement requires such expenditure and everyone who can move any part of their body can work, ergo everyone can work and Arbeit after all Macht Frei. Anyone who has had the “medical” knows that it consists of moving parts of your body and that is all. Then the process of detaching human responsibility from the system is enacted. The “doctor” bears no responsibility because he/she makes no decision. The behind the scenes decision-maker need only be able to add up to 15 because the points are covered by law and arbitrary points cannot be awarded. Points can arbitrarily be taken away. The final solution is the miracle that profit can be made out of sub-primes, the same miracle that led to the collapse in the world economy…this is its social equivalent. The sub-primes are sold off to Atos who clearly are making a profit. So sub-primes can produce profit AND simultaneously SAVE MONEY. A miracle indeed. But we live in the age of economic “miracles” do we not? When a country employs semantics in this way and treats its citizens as commodities to be sold to the private sector for private profit we are in a proto-fascist/nazi country. Except that only some of us live in this country..the incapacitated poor. No matter that we may have paid 40 years NI and tax before becoming incapacitiated, no matter that our incapacity may be genetic and stem from previous eras of wealth creation that required our forebears to sacrifice their physical health in atrocious working conditions. No, protofascism has no folk memory, what concerns it is the dirty scrounger it sees wherever it looks…except of course at its own level..a duck house is a necessity for a politician, a million pound bonus is a necessity for economic miracle workers. Enough. Our country is exceedingly morally sick. We hapless invalids for whatever reason are the only ones who actually experience HOW morally sick it is. I didn’t live in this morally sick country before 2009, I had no idea it existed but after a massive heart attack I woke up in it and since then it has tried to finish the job. Thank God for all your courage in founding such sites, we at least will be able to say we recognise proto-nazism and proto-fascism when it smiles sweetly at us and “treats” us as it ever treated sub-primes. That is off my chest and away from my heart, thank you so much for the space.

    Comment by Liz — October 20, 2010 @ 3:15 pm

  22. Youre welcome, If you need to say it, you will be heard here.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 20, 2010 @ 4:25 pm

  23. What is the difference between those employed by the nazis, drugdealers, the DWP and ATOs. Not much the end result is thesame. They all profit from the misery of others, cause suffering, and sometimes death, but only their methods are different.

    Comment by pam — April 13, 2011 @ 4:38 pm

  24. Your right Pam there isn’t any difference, ATOS/DWP I suppose will make a cynical claim they are a legal outfit as opposed to the drugdealers.
    But the truth is they are criminals as well, some might say even worse than the drugdealers, at least the drugdealers acknowledge they are breaking the law.

    Dont forget to join our sister site (Link below) as well and learn all about ATOS/DWP and their criminal activities.


    Comment by dwpexamination — April 13, 2011 @ 7:02 pm

  25. Please someone who has equipment put some mickey taking videos comparing ATOS/DWP/to SS and many other issues, on youtube. References to this website could be added. Lets get our message across in any shape or form.

    Please -Go for it.

    Comment by rebelliousstreak — May 13, 2011 @ 6:42 am

  26. Any potential authors out there.

    Can you come up with a book on criminals (con artists), whatever you want to name it, otherwise known as ‘alleged HCP, and gather with permission of course, all the horror stories and put on kindle for nothing. Maybe if cheap we could raise enough to pay legal fees to use for advice and to represent some people.

    Comment by rebelliousstreak — May 13, 2011 @ 6:46 am

  27. The feeble minded elite need to realise that when the millions of poor,including the sick and unemployed have been belittled,starved,sanctioned to death.Do not be surprised when these poor start rioting.Smashing windows,burning cars,acting like desperate people.
    Then it will cost billions in more Police,more jails,more middle classes complaining about law and order.And when this once great country lies in tatters,with burning buildings and people afraid to go out without a Police Car on every corner.Don’t blame the Poor.Put the blame at were it started.The Rich.The Bankers who blew the Billions on a 3.30 at ascot,well they might as well have.Or the Morally Bankrupt Politicians who choose to blame the weakest in society rather than the money changers.

    Comment by Peter Benson — July 2, 2011 @ 3:53 pm

  28. It’s only a matter of time Peter, only a matter of time !!


    Comment by dwpexamination — July 2, 2011 @ 8:28 pm

  29. I too am beginning to see comparisons. I was reading about the Nuremburg trials and the many doctors who went to prison for crimes against humanity.
    With the WCA one may be able to bend, reach or follow instructions but can one cope with the stressful, bullying nature in these capatalist factories?
    It would also appear-in the case of mental ill health-that if you can’t work despite treatment by medication or therapy, you have a personality disorder and are treated unkindly and made a social pariah.
    The SS who ran the extermination camps were trained to show no mercy to their victims, this attitude does seem to be raising it’s ugly head again. Wasn’t this the very thing the lessons of the world wars told us to avoid?

    Comment by anonymous_too — February 15, 2012 @ 9:00 am

  30. Hello Anon too.

    We on this Blog and on our sister forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/index.php have been accusing them (Government, ATOS/DWP) of the same behaviour as the Nazis, and have not compromised from day one, because we believe that is exactly what they are, Nazis.

    In fact the ATOS lawyer Mr Loughrey was so upset he wrote a letter to the servers on our sister forum demanding that we stopped our anti ATOS rhetoric or he will have the server prosecuted, the result was we just relocated to a new server in Iceland that doesn’t pay any attention to the rantings of British lawyers, preferring instead to preserve the integrity of free speech. The result was free publicity for our cause, in return for some minor disruption, the bullying ATOS lawyer now knows we mean business and so far has left us alone.

    He’s still in a job as far as I know, after making a major tactical mistake like that, who would have credited it ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 15, 2012 @ 10:31 am

  31. None of us would wish our illnesses & our miserable situation to be visited upon any one would we? But, some times…………………..

    Comment by Beezle — June 21, 2012 @ 2:25 pm

  32. Could not agree more with you.Fight back time.

    Comment by nick — June 23, 2012 @ 11:17 pm

  33. In Atosland

    In Atosland the human being is merely a “work machine”, being assessed functionally by another machine. That is the experience of those unfortunate enough to have to go through these “work capability assessments”. What does their experience tell us?

    Atos is a company with shareholders to whom it promises dividends. It must therefore make a profit. Whence comes this profit?
    Like any company it is the employees, the “Atos Healthcare Professionals” who are responsible for producing profit. What do Atos workers produce? They produce numbers. Or rather the machine at the heart of Atos, an IT company, produces numbers based on data inputted by its workers. The numbers produced are the basis on which Atos makes its profit. These are numbers required by Government who have promised profit to Atos if it delivers the correct numbers.

    So the first thing to note is that the “Atos Healthcare Professionals” are basically data input operators. As anyone who has been assessed knows, there is absolutely no need for these operators to possess any medical knowledge. The facade of “Medicine” is just that, a facade. No medical decisions whatsoever are made by these data input workers, the machine precludes that as it dictates what questions are asked and what responses “count”.
    Based on the numbers produced a “decision maker” makes a decision on fitness for work. Except he does not. The numbers make the decision…get less than 15 and you are fit for work. The “decision maker” is the ability to count up to 15.

    Thus in Atosland no human being bears responsibility for the results of the process. This is very “clean” in the way that smart bombs are clean. No one need have his conscience touched..not politician, not Atos director, not Atos employee, not Atos shareholder, not the British taxpayer in whose name all this is done.
    This is the extreme angst experienced by those who become aware of it during the process of assessment..there is no humanity far less medicine involved. The terminally ill who can raise their hands above their heads can be assessed fit for work…they can fulfil the function of work machine because a work machine itself says so. Let no one think that this does not happen in Atosland
    How does this inhumanity result in profit? Financial profit for Atos and its shareholders and political profit for government? (This” mutual profit” cabal of Atos and Government spans the last Labour Government and the present coalition, so all political parties are culpable in this.)

    Profit arises out of numerical quotas and targets being met in this relationship.
    So what is clear is that this is not a “social policy”, it has nothing to do with there being a feeling of social security as a citizen of UK. who has become sick, incapacitated or disabled. It is a FINANCIAL POLICY in which there are only numbers and human beings reduced to points gained or not gained, quotas met or not met.

    The Government of Britain, as expressed through this policy enacted by all parties, perceives no citizens only costs and costs that must be cut.

    Here is the policy shorn of all veneer and medical charade and in even more economical form:

    The Government decides how much it wants to save. The names of all those sick, incapacitated and disabled are fed into the computer. The computer randomly selects those “fit for work” equal to the amount to be saved. A percentage will appeal but that too is factored in.

    This is what is happening but without the honesty to do it in this pure form. If Nazi Germany had had Atos computer programs it would have used this more economic method and saved the costs of the charade. But charade is necessary, now as then, for inhumanity disguised as progressive social good.
    Are you worried yet? The only people aware of this are those who are disabled, ill or incapacitated. They are the ones who are sitting in the assessment rooms with Mammon,( or if you prefer Immoral Profit) and Mammon cares nothing for human beings only numbers. Read the experiences. Lies abound in the process where targets must be met for profit to accrue and bonuses handed out.

    Those of us who live through this contemplate suicide. Why? Because to be dehumanised to a quota by one’s Government in the full glare of society is not to live in Britain but to live in Nazi Germany and to experience no hope and no humanity. What little we are given to live on is randomly taken from us. Some of us have already committed suicide. Not because we are physically weak, but because we are morally strong. We meet Mammon face to face in Atosland and we take our souls out of his reckoning.

    One can only ask whether this is a conscious policy by morally bankrupt politicians, as in Nazi Germany, or whether it is an unintended evil produced by their failure to distinguish human beings from numbers and their contempt for the concept of citizen.

    This is not ideology of the left, right or centre at work, for left, right and centre all operate this policy, all have employed Atos to do this dirty work. This is more serious. Politicians cannot recognise Fascist policy when they enact it.

    Who can tell them? Only us, those who go through Atosland. And if they will not listen?

    Well the religious among us might pray and the humanists among us might also pray that humanity will overcome inhumanity.

    I am sending this to all the religious leaders in Britain and to the Humanist Society and to all members of the Scottish parliament who are currently taking evidence on this and where Atos hope to sponsor the upcoming commonwealth games.

    When politicians fail to notice that they are enacting fascist policies that is one thing. When they are presented with the evidence and still fail to act decisively and swiftly then that tells us something even more frightening. This policy has been enacted and supported by all political parties, therefore we have no political choice in the democratic process. For the disabled, sick and incapacitated democracy is dead and its killers smile and reassure us that it is all to help us. We have been disenfranchised and you may be next.

    Greetings from Atosland
    For Evidence see;

    http://www.afteratos.com www,dwpexamination.org

    Comment by Liz — September 20, 2012 @ 8:17 am

  34. The following is the reply received to In Atosland by one MSP in the Scottish Parliament. Now would be a good time to send stuff to them. If the British Parliament cannot act then the Scottish Parliament may be able to, or at least set its face against the Atos/Government Mutual Profit Cabal. That remains to be seen. I will now start on the Welsh Assembly and Northern Ireland. All help welcome, just look up Scottish Parliament and begin!

    Dear Ms Ancrum,

    Thank you for your email. Your obvious concern about the manner in which Atos operates on behalf of the DWP reflects evidence that the Welfare Reform Committee at the Scottish Parliament, of which I am Deputy Convener, took earlier this week. I will forward your email to the clerks to that Committee as your experience is also useful for our further deliberations on the reform of the welfare system.

    Thanks again for emailing me.


    Jamie Hepburn MSP

    Comment by Liz — September 20, 2012 @ 11:40 am

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