Dwp examination

Examining ATOS

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OK, lets take a look at what the evidence I have gathered says about the system used by ATOS Origin alleged “Doctors” to stop our benefits. If what the evidence is suggesting here is true, then our own Government needs to be held to book over this as it appears ATOS are not following their own administrative procedure.

As far as I can tell, there are a series of standardised questions which the alleged “Doctor” is required to ask each claimant. These questions are allegedly standardised so there can be no argument about inconsistencies.1

The questions have a set of standard answers, which the alleged “Doctor” can use as his answers.2 These questions are designed to (a) confuse you (b) embarrass you (c) are often repeated in a different format so you can actually contradict yourself, which may then be interpreted by the alleged “Doctor” as contradictory evidence.3

Supplementary questions like ‘What kind of car do you drive?’, ‘do you go to restaurants, bars, clubs or the cinema/theatre?’ are not on the “official” list of questions and should not be asked if they are following a pre set administrative procedure. After all, we have already been asked how long we can sit or stand?

The system appears to be designed to make examination easy for the alleged “Doctor”. Who has a standard set of answers he can use, which allow him to say without fear of contradiction that he gave the best possible answer he could to fit your present state of health. It also appears to be deliberately designed to give the client the least possible chance of fully answering a question and thus remaining on benefit4.

You are not aware of the questions you are going to be asked, or of the points system used to determine your current state of health. Alleged “Doctors” also use hand written descriptions like ‘did not appear to have any difficulty sitting or rising from a chair’. ‘Did not appear to have any difficulty in removing or putting on his coat’.  None of which appear in that format on the “official” list of questions. This is simply other “observations” which further disallow your claim5.

ATOS alleged “Doctors” appear to select items from you IB50 which can easily be challenged and appear to be ignoring glaringly obvious things like recent surgery, radiation treatment or the fact that some patients are recovering from serious trauma or mental health issues. How can this be a fair assessment of your current state of health? They can also ask questions, make observations and give ‘their’ opinion on whether you are telling the truth regardless of their level of expertise or area of specialism6.

You are advised to give the alleged “Doctor” as much information as possible on your state of health so he understands your situation clearly. Evidence suggests that any information you give the alleged “Doctor” is totally ignored, an assumption is made, an answer selected from a list, and entered on your behalf by what now appears to be a hostile examiner. So there is a possibility any answer you give can be misinterpreted, resulting in your benefits being suspended7.

You are advised to produce any Hospital or Doctors letters to support your claim. This evidence can not be requested by the alleged “Doctor” and must be volunteered by you. Having done so your evidence is then totally ignored as the alleged “Doctor” has already made it clear to you that he is interested only in your “present” state of health. In effect, this means he is not interested in what has happened in the past, rather how you feel on the time and day of your medical. Sounds a bit like the MOT drivers put their car through every year, doesn’t it8?

1 See questions you may be asked.

2 Not all of these pre set answers actually reflect the answer you give

3 A deliberate ploy to “catch you out”. Can they actually ask questions outside those on the “official” list?

4 Is this evidence of a “biased” test?

5 Is this a valid argument for putting the questions and answers in the public domain so you know what to expect?

6 Is this method of questioning designed to put you under extreme pressure, when you are already in a nerve wracking situation? Are they aware of the effect this would have on a person with serious mental health issues?

7 The alleged Doctor could argue that a letter from a surgeon that is usually at least 6 months old (at the time of your ‘examination’) is not evidence you are still ill?

8 This suggests that by using this disclaimer at the beginning of your ‘examination’, the alleged Doctor is telling you he is not interested in the past, so any evidence you produce from your specialist or GP can be considered out of date and therefore irrelevant.

Your opinion please?

I’ll be back


  1. I went for a DWP pensions medical today to ascertain whether or not i can claim Industrial injuries disablement benefit.

    After looking through the pages on this sight and especially the scoring system i am now feeling rather worried as the doctor who examined me only asked me about my accident at my work and a couple of questions about my lack of movement and then she went straight on to the medical.

    I never saw the doctor ticking boxes but only saw her writing down my interpretation of events and once i put my clothes back on that was the end of the medical and she showed me the door.

    Would she tick all these boxes at the end of her shift or would she do them after i left.

    Very strange

    Comment by chris — October 19, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

  2. I have no idea! My personal experience involved the alleged “Doctor” spending most of the time looking at a computer screen and clicking on multiple choice answers. Anyone else experienced this form of “medical”? http://dwpexamination.myfreeforum.org/index.php?component=indexpage

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 20, 2009 @ 5:31 am

  3. To dwpexamination i have experianced that i scored 12 out of 15 & also lost my appeal
    i would like to know how long you have to wait before you can reclaim ESA
    coz i aint gunna stop until i’m on it.



    Comment by Simon — February 24, 2010 @ 11:43 pm

  4. Cant answer that one Im afraid, have you started the apeals process?

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 2, 2010 @ 8:16 am

  5. HI EVERYBODY…Was just looking through an interesting site called “OUCH ! IT’S A DISABILITY THING” and get this…A guy who was working for the post office,was found unfit for work,by ATOS OCC,apparently this is the branch of ATOS that deals with the postal workers,he was advised to go on ESA,by ATOS OCC,which he did,he didn’t have any choice,a little later he recived notification to attend,an assesment for ESA with ATOS health care ( What a misnomer,ATOS healthcare )(ATOS Health dont care more like )He was found fit for work,and subsequently refused ESA…you couldn’t make it up for christ’s sake…CHEERS ALL DAVID.

    Comment by David — March 27, 2010 @ 8:48 pm

  6. Questions you may be asked ?

    How about the question David Blunket was asked by Laurie penny ( A journalist ) not to long ago.

    Could you tell me Mr Blunket, Why the welfare state is being contracted out to private companies, with the explicit purpose of forcing a million people who are sick, off from state benefits in order to save money ?.
    He stammered for a moment before claiming, em er the people who are attending compulsory medical assesments ” should be entitled to a choice of providers of this” service”.

    That is a blatant lie, and when it was pointed out to him, thats not true, he tried to baffle her with science and mumbo jumbo with the likes of, its not what you cant do, its what you can do, one of their pre-arranged stock mantras.

    Well Mr Blunket what can YOU DO ?, without half a dozen highly paid lackeys to help you ?, Zilch thats what you can do,
    everything needs to be read out to you, you need guidance to go anywhere, and you cant type or read, your hired help is doing it all for you, so then, will you assure every blind person you force in to work, gets the same help as you ?…NO !! Didn’t think so.

    Of all the top calibre people on the dole through no fault of their own, the Government could get to handle your job with ease, they had to pick a jobsworth charlatan like you to be our home secretary.

    Comment by David — April 18, 2010 @ 9:39 am

  7. I had an ATOS medical in 2008 just before they changed the name of the benefit to ESA, I am about to have another medical with ATOS in a couple of weeks, I had to alter it as it clashed with an MRI scan, the medical is now 2 days after the scan. The medical I had in 2008 which I assume would have been for IB the so called medical expert altered words and missed out words so what I had said read totally different, where I gave a time it would take me to do something, say wash-up, I said “it took me around 90 minutes to wash 4 cups 2 small plates and 2 or 3 knives as I had to keep sitting down and resting because of back pain, but when sitting down I would fall asleep, the doctor, or whatever you want to call her, wrote CAN DO THE WASHING-UP. When I mentioned muscle weakness she asked “What is heavy for you?” I replied “A 2.5kg bag of potato’s makes me sweat if I carry it more than couple of yards” she wrote CAN CARRY A SACK OF POTATO’S. Both answers altered so that anyone reading it could assume that I could wash up in the time it would take any normal healthy person and that I could possibly carry a 25kg sack of potato’s. when asked to take off the top half of my clothing, which took me over 5 minutes to take off a coat & shirt, she wrote basically that I was lying about any muscle weakness because I had some muscle tone. A few weeks after the medical I received a letter from the DWP saying I was fit for work, I appealed, at the tribunal were I was supposed to have a welfare rights worker with me, they never turned up, they said the tribunal would go ahead anyway. The first thing I mentioned about the report was that the majority of the answers in the report had been altered to look totally different to what I said, they didn’t seem interested and only wanted yes or no answers out of me with little or no explanation if they allowed me to explain they cut me off as soon as they thought the explanation wasn’t what they wanted to hear. They found me fit for work.

    The medical I am to have in a couple of weeks I have one daughter going with me and possibly the other as well, if they refuse to accept that both are going into the room with me then I am going to either say “they both come in with me or the medical is over now” or “If they both don’t come in with me then I record the whole medical on my phone”
    One thing about ATOS I am almost certain of is that they will not ask questions that will help you with a successful claim, unless all the questions will result in a successful claim. so if they ask me a question that I don’t think is relevant to my condition I will ask them how it is relevant to my condition.

    2 days after my release from hospital, were I spent over 1 month instead of the 5 days they said before I went in, I had an appointment with the neurosurgeons who performed the op and my son mentioned something that I hadn’t given a second thought to and that was that I would do things no matter what pain I was in or how much more pain it was causing me, I thought of pain as just a 4 letter word, and I realised how right he was, I would do things because they had to be done refusing to let the children do it or help as they should be doing what children do, having fun out with their friends.

    My condition consists of
    1. BACK PAIN (since mid 90′s)
    2. CONSTANT HEADACHES (as long as I can remember)
    3. MUSCLE WEAKNESS (as long as I can remember)
    4. AVM (since conception or just after birth)
    5. EPILEPSY (since 4yr old)
    6. SPEECH PROBLEMS (since March this year)

    I am sure those employed by ATOS to do the medicals do not have the slightest Idea what many of the conditions are and how they affect people. AVM’s affect people in many different ways some are only found after death but others may complain to GPS for years to be fobbed off with excuses.
    I am not looking forward to the medical and expect to be declared fit for work even though I cannot make it to the bus stop only a couple of hundred yards down the road.

    Comment by Dean — April 24, 2010 @ 3:43 pm

  8. Thanks for that, I am glad to see you are taking someone with you, thats always wise when dealing with ATOS. Get your Daughter to take notes, they will tell you that the notes will not be recognised as a true record of the events by courts or tribunals, but take them anyway, I am certain a clever Lawyer would make mincemeat of that statement. Dont be put off, be polite, make sure you are factually correct and take any supporting evidence of your disabilities you can. Please take note, the word of your family or companion will not be accepted as proof of disability for obvious reasons i.e. they are not medically qualified etc. Be truthful and give as much relevant information as you can, remember, they have not met you before and do not know your medical history. Good luck and keep us posted on your progress. Oh and ask the “Doctor” if they are recording your medical “interview”.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 25, 2010 @ 1:03 pm

  9. I just looked at the suggested journey plan given by ATOS, the centre I am to be interrogated at is Pontefract and they suggest I use a combination of bus and walking, I believe that if anyone can do the first 2 parts of the journey plan then the rest of the the interrogation is just going through the motions has IMO they already think you are fit for work. Those first 2 parts of their suggested journey plan are

    1. a 5 minute walk to the bus stop (possibly the time it would take a fully fit person to cover)

    2. catch bus and sit for 27 minutes

    IMO that is enough for ATOS to write a report that a decision maker would say fit for work.

    Comment by Dean — April 30, 2010 @ 3:38 pm

  10. dwp as I cannot get out of the house without the help of family or hospital transport for appointments, the GP who saw me for my last med cert. said he didn’t think I was fit for any work because I was constantly shifting position in the chair and I was struggling to speak and needed help to get out of the chair with no arms, the GP said telephone work was out, cold calling or working in a call centre, because of my speech. I do have an appointment with the GP the day after the the interrogation, and with the surgeon who said I should have the operation done that IMO is the cause of my present problems 12 day after, so I may ask them how I get hold of copies of medical info they have about my condition, then if the decision maker says I am fit for work I will have some supporting evidence, I hope, the DWP are relying on people not knowing how to get hold of the info that will show their disabilities and make the claimant the winner.

    Comment by Dean — April 30, 2010 @ 4:30 pm

  11. this goes to all that think we people are scroungers!
    ive worked since i left school and had all the crap low paid jobs that many people dont want and at the age of 19 first damaged my back, i decided to go back to work which was all manual lifting work and was not provided with proper training as i was not in a union to apeal against it. at the age of 26 was in severe pain from lifting heavy duty manhole covers and was left unable to move for 3 weeks, i am now suffering the same problem at 27 and was told not to go back to work. i refused to listen and went back causing more damage as i dont like not working for my money but at the moment i dont have a chice. i dont claim all the perks as u would call it, i dont claim housing benefit or council tax benefit, i dont go to optition or dentist but i still cant work. so am i a scrounger? am i a lasy twat? i leave that for u to comment, i either claim or live on the streets. find out what people are like before you comment!!!

    Comment by karl hodder — May 13, 2010 @ 9:00 pm

  12. This is one of the main reasons for this blog, the plight of genuinely disabled people needs to be brought out into the light to show that most disability benefit claimants do so because they need help. There are many cases of people becoming disabled late in thier working lives, mainly due to the tpe of wrk they have done for many years. The myth that we are all scroungers is created by the television media and the press who constantly attack us every time a scrounger is caught. We are being tarred with the same brush and I am sick of it, hence the stance I am taking here.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 13, 2010 @ 11:00 pm

  13. Also many people that fear they make have a disabling illness avoid any medical contact until they feel it is absolutely necessary for them to seek help. This is what I did and still do now, so there is very little on my visits to a GP or hospital, most of my contact came through the GP visiting the ex wife and asking how I was, and no more, so very little went on my medical records. So if you have had a condition from birth but it stays dormant in the majority of people with it for life with only a small percentage showing signs from mild to severe then these are the ones ATOS and the DWP will go after as fit for work, and IMO they will do this because
    (a) The person has avoided medical personnel so can say the condition started when first detected by medical personnel
    (b) If one of the conditions associated with the main condition is poor memory even writing something down to take with you may be of no help, you may forget it, and how can you confirm what is on the IB50 if someone filled it in for you and you have poor memory?
    (c) People with poor memory and little or no signs outwardly showing at the ATOS interrogation are an easy target as the interrogator and will use the words that it is their opinion.

    Comment by Dean — May 14, 2010 @ 12:22 pm

  14. Icould not understand what the doctor was saying as he was foreign.He ignored all my letters and medical notes.I HAVE WRITTEN A LETTER OF COMPLAINT to atos,and would urge others to complain about obvious bias in the way they deal with many people

    Comment by troutmask — May 20, 2010 @ 2:11 pm

  15. Excellent, dont forget to apeal if they sto your benefits.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 21, 2010 @ 6:31 am

  16. I was in the middle of a search when I came across this, http://www.whywaitforever.com/dwpatoscontract.html , it is the contract between the DWP and ATOS, what I find a joke is that is this.


    The medical assessment journey time exceeded the ninety minutes maximum allowed in the Contract.

    Breach of the Contract – Common Business Requirements Schedule 4 Section 4.1 Part 1 Final Version – 15 March 2005

    5.5 The CONTRACTOR shall ensure that any Claimant is not required to travel for more than ninety (90) minutes by public transport (single journey) for an examination, …

    Are they are only allowing the public transport part of the journey to be taken into account when they use the journey time in the contract but the suggested route normally BUS also includes walking but the times given for getting from one stop to the next without the use of public transport (WALKING) is given for a fully fit person, So immediately they are assuming you’re fit and healthy, the suggested 74 minute route for the BUS would including walking have taken me well over 2 hours

    Comment by Dean — June 10, 2010 @ 2:48 pm

  17. I went to yet another medical examination last month. This time for ESA.
    Took my daughter, a graduated journalist ex-student with me.
    Somehow, 2 weeks later, the DWP reached a decision about my DLA through this exam… I’d asked for a reconsideration, then appealed (but they’d not received my appeal…?)- the DLA claim goes back to 2008, when they asked for my DLA to be renewed. > I was receiving DLA for a year, without a medical examintion! Wow, huh?
    Finally reached a decision re: my claim for ESA (made last May 2009) and now I’m appealing once again. Only about their decision about DLA… I was awarded ESA… but they’ve taken what money they owe me away – saying they’d overpaid me when I was receiving DLA!!!

    Comment by Franka — June 16, 2010 @ 10:30 am

  18. I have an app on the 22nd of July with this Atos thing, I had one in Ianuary where threy said i was fit for work after being on incapacity benefit for 10 years with severe arthritis. I had to sign on to ESA saying that my condition has worsened so they have sent me for this examination now . I am appealing against the deecision in January so if they dont sign me off on this one it,s going to be farcical. i am retirement age next year. i,ts allmaking me ill, i havent had a penny since January. even though i have an appeal in . Dave

    Comment by Anonymous — July 8, 2010 @ 9:07 pm

  19. Be sure to have a witness with you… and let them take notes.
    Time the exact time of arrival and the waiting time… then the same for the examination.
    ATOS lie and say you were seen upon arrival and that the whole examination took twice as long.
    Be sure to note this.
    Appeal by stating the whole experience, notwithstanding the fact that for 10 years you have been entitled to Incapacity Benefit… so what’s changed, huh?
    Long standing illnesses and diseases are incurable, costing the NHS millions a week to treat. This is just another circle the DWP want us to go round and round in, before we spin out of control.
    Demand your rights.
    We, as a free country have more rights than many countries… exercise them.
    I might sound bitter or even angry, but heck, I’ve begged for crisis loans and sold my furniture because these bastards have refused to pay me a single penny!
    Let me rant… it’s my right to do so.

    Comment by Franka — July 8, 2010 @ 10:48 pm

  20. Thats what the blog and the forum are here for, go ahead, get it off yur chest.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 9, 2010 @ 7:16 am

  21. Thank you dwpex. :)
    I feel better for letting it out on here… though sometimes regret my fowl wordings aimed at nasty people trying to wind me up. LOL!
    The thing is, the ATOS examiners aren’t doctors. The DWP even say this… they’re referred to as examiners and/or professionals – not doctors.
    I asked one if they had all my illnesses and disabilities and were seen by an examiner such as themselves to determine whether or not they should be entitled to benefits, would they allow it? Would they allow an inexperienced professional to tick a “NO” box, huh? She replied that she had insurance and a well-off family and it would never come to her having to claim money from the government and tax payers!
    Yeah… well-off. Well paid I say.
    Mind you, she was Spanish…
    I wrote on my appeal letters that I endured the examination, under protest.
    My doctors have proved I am not fit for work. I have too many health conditions. Besides, what employer is willing to insure me, huh? Allowing the fact that some days I have an okay day – one where I don’t vomit constantly or need the loo 24/7. Or that I don’t collapse, can get out of bed unaided… taking me at least 10 minutes and another 30 just to get dressed… swallowing a load of medication – just to be able to get through a few hours of normality, and the next day can be a thousand times worse! Then theres my back, neck, leg and arms… constant agony – I can’t even sit for too long!
    I can’t have an operation for my spinal problems as the only one available is to sever the nerves and putting me in a wheelchair for life – dead from the chin down, and who’d want that, huh? Not me!
    I refused chemo after a 3 week trial – where I was vomiting blood repeatedly after each session, lasting for up to 6 days… then the torture began again the following day… so opted for natural therapies. Then to be diagnosed with Crohn’s disease! Because of that, they seem to think that everything I suffer from is bareable and not as serious as it could be! ARGH!
    I’d wish all my illnesses and agony on them, for a day, just to see how they’d cope!
    It’s true, I am strong and can cope. But I need an income… money to live on, and don’t have a thing left of value to sell in my home.
    I don’t have a family, well-off or not that I can turn to… just me and my 2 kids.
    My son, who’s 17 had to study part-time last year because he had to take care of me… resulting in no child benefit, no EMA and a long hard fight to get child tax credits – otherwise he’d have had to sign on for Job Seekers Allowance and go through Gestapo interrogations, which somehow the DWP did not want to happen, hmm. This year he’s off to college.
    I am now fighting for child benefit. My son is and was in a full time course… he just couldn’t attend and under such circumstances as ours, he is entitled to child benefit.
    > Another load off my chest. * PHEW* ;)

    Comment by Franka — July 9, 2010 @ 9:58 am

  22. ATOS know that employing people who have a biased view of benefit claimants is to thier advantage, thats why they do it. They also know that by giving thier employees the title of “Healthcare Professional”,
    which panders to thier narcisisitic need for power and self importance ensures they attract the right kind of person to the job. No self respecting Doctor would work for them, thats why they employ wannabe’s. as for your “Doctors” comments “she had insurance and a well-off family and it would never come to her having to claim money from the government and tax payers!” well, that says a lot, by saying this she is looking down at you, and obviously has it in for benefit claimants. My question is “Why isnt she working in Spain”.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 12, 2010 @ 6:31 am

  23. As immediately as this doctor came to the door… and pronounced my name as it ought to be prnounced, I thought
    See, my surname’s unusual too. LOL!
    As we talked, I understood very little of her English, and she kept telling me to speak more slowly. I did not!
    It’s not my problem she came to the UK for a better wage, innit?
    I finally received my medical report today – 2 months later and after 4 requests and one demand.
    The professional lied with every physical test… and there were just 3. Okay, 4… if you count the eye test. Ha!
    I can’t turn my head to the left all the way… can move it slowly, in agony about a couple of inches… and she wrote I can turn my head both ways without problems.
    I couldn’t bend down more than a couple of inches either… and that was holding onto the desk… but she wrote I crouched down and got up again without any problems!
    I had to climb onto a bed… 3 ft from the floor with a small step to assist me, and my daughter helping me on to the bed… yet she wrote down I had no help and did it without any difficulties – on and off!!!
    Perhaps her English isn’t good.
    Perhaps she writes funny… took her less than 10 minutes to compile the document.
    Perhaps her numbers are spelt wrong too… my examination took less than she says it did.
    Atos professionals are dishonest, inhumane individuals who maybe have some kind of medicinal studies, but have not the PHD. So are bitter freaks who’ll do anything for a living.
    >> My opinion, not actual fact.
    I alarmed her when I spoke Spanish at the end of the session… and then my daughter threw in that I speak 7 languages fluently, but all together 11! Yup, she gasped!
    Look down at me…? yeah right! I’m taller than her, even after an inch plus loss due to my spinal problems! I put her back in her place and added that my little girl (whom dick thought was the 17yr old kid…) was in fact a 23 year old journalst and creative writer. Ha, ha, ha!!
    I beleive we are all born free and equal… but sometimes rights have to be expressed sarcastically for the effect to be powerfully noted.
    My daughter’s twice as bad. ;)

    Comment by Franka — July 12, 2010 @ 5:09 pm

  24. * first sentence> omitted “foreign dick” :0

    Comment by Franka — July 12, 2010 @ 5:11 pm

  25. Now now, play nice…..

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 13, 2010 @ 5:52 pm

  26. dick as in doc(tor)… ;)

    Comment by Franka — July 13, 2010 @ 7:19 pm

  27. The HCP turned down my hospital letters etc I had offered to her, she said she did not need them as she had fully documented everything. When I got my ESA85 there was not full documentation and I did not know at the time it was my right for her to take a copy of these or take the copies I had and place them with the ESA85 for the DM when he looked at my file-of course I had my ESA stopped and I was due major surgery within weeks -amazing the Higher Tier say there was no problem with her saying a back to work in three months for me as i had not had my operation yet!!!! So why is there a section in the IB/ESA50 asking you are you having surgery within three months -JCP say they have done nothing wrong, bascially the DM took the proper decsion????I was left without money and my children for over a month they messed up my appeals I ended up sending in four appeals and they lost my Med3 and based not payning me on this as they had no medical evidence(they admit they had a copy of my Med3 though and only told me nearly a month later they did not haev the Med3 I had sent-they also had my letter of surgery and discharge they still did not pay me. They made my life hell I am at teh stages of ICE now and has been three months just to get my complaints withthem esablished as they would not respond to my emails and other nasty little things they did like blocking my emails-had to get Ombudsman to have a word with them GOD HELP ME this is never ending.

    Comment by KQ — August 20, 2010 @ 7:07 am

  28. Dont give up, thats why its taking so long, they think you will get sick and go away. Keep on grinding them down.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 20, 2010 @ 7:23 am

  29. Hi I fully agree with everything in this article. I have started a petition on my own site regarding the DWP/Atos Work Capability Assessment and hope to get a few people on board and then raise an action in court. Im willing to fight as long as I have to to see this legislation changed or completely abolished!

    You can see the petition via my website link. I have also started a thread regarding this on the Consumer Action Group forums.


    Comment by Carolyn Cameron — August 29, 2010 @ 3:45 pm

    I am a benefit/welfare advisor and have 12yrs experience of going loggerheads with the ministry of justice (appeals system).
    I am totally fed up of extremely retired drs working for DWP as EMP’s and sitting on tribunals. Some are almost 80yrs.
    I have concrete proof that paperwork sent in for claims even by next day delivery is removed from your file and no record showing. This happened recently to one of my clients. I received a call re an email I had sent asking what I was on about as there was nothing in my clients file relating to what I had asked.
    I told the gentleman I had the proof as did my client and within 2mins it was emailed to him. He immediately put me in touch with upper tribunals.
    Anyone having trouble obtaining disability benefits who are a genuine disabled person I am willing to advice and assist.
    I am very experienced re our ridiculous system and want to shake up the system in our favour by stopping what is going on and to prevent the antiquated drs being allowed to make these decisions as to whether disabled or not. They are so out of date and their judgement poor.
    One of the local EMP’s in North Dorset wrote to our local rag admitting he turned down everyone with a bad back as he could’t tell the genuine from the fakers who make it so difficult for genuine claimants.
    To get in touch for assistance go to my wall on Facebook. I love the challenge of fighting the system and am a specialist in rare illness claims.
    I will help word the form by telephone and make sure you get everything you are entitled to. I don’t lose at appeal as my cases are always concrete.
    I have several landmark/contraversial cases in the system. One is open and shut and if had been any other office would have been awarded max for life. It is still in the system 2yrs later and extremely contraversail due to the directive of the panel dr stating my client who has a rare bladder disease had to be interviewed on her commode. I have the proof. As it’s open and shut I asked for a decision re the claim and it was with the district judge for well over 3 mths. The judge eventually listed it for urgent hearing in June, but was adjourned yet again, this time as no wheelchair access to the court room.
    They have booked a double slot on 30th Sept as before and are bringing in their expert dr wise.
    I do this as voluntarily and do expect the client to pay for any calls and postage costs. I am severely disabled and have 7 rare illness’s myself which I diagnosed in myself and others.

    Comment by Mo Fifield — August 29, 2010 @ 4:34 pm

  31. I was poisoned with 2,4,D Diclorophenol which is a pesticide used in agriculture , i was an inoccent bystander walking my dog in the country , i fell ill with severe symptoms shaking.hair loss,vertigo,dizziness,headaches,nausea,reversed sleep,anxiety,pain.endocrine disruption the list goes on .This as caused ME/CFS and fibromyaslgia , i have been denied sickness benefit since July 09 I AM STILL FIGHTING THIS !! tHE atos told blatan lies on the information and deemed me fit for work ???

    Comment by Gillian — August 29, 2010 @ 11:21 pm

  32. I read this blog with great interest as I am having similar problems with the ESA nightmare. I suffer from peripheral neuropathy which is a fluctuating disease whereby sometimes I feel o.k and others I cannot walk due to the pain in my legs and feet and the pain in my arms and hands. I applied for ESA a couple of years ago and failed although my GP had written me a sick note for a year. I appealed but was not succesful. I clamed JSA and was told I had to attend working links weekly. After two weeks my personal advisor said I should not be on JSA and I should claim ESA due to my inability to undertake basic activities when I am ill.

    I have now started a second claim for ESA but I a not holding out much hope. The JCP advisors say I cannot sign on as I would be illegally stating I am capable of working and if I fail this second assessment I will be unable to claim ESA as they say I am fit for work. They do not seem to make any allowances for fluctuating illnesses. As my personal advisor said what employer would employ me if I could only work one or two days a week or then maybe three weeks off for pain. I seem to be placed between two different agencies and I am at my wits end. They have taken no interest in my medical reports or my neurological specialist. I would be grateful for any help or advice from anyone for when I attend my so call medical.

    Comment by rosey — August 30, 2010 @ 12:49 am

  33. After my visit to the pathways advisor last week were I took 2 hospital letters (copies) one stating that I had done exactly what happened in the pathways place I fell asleep on sitting down. My daughter was told I should be in the support group but she would have to have a word with her supervisor and they were not in that day. It seems ATOS and the DWP will do anything to save a few pounds.

    rosey you should have got what the advisor to be put on headed paper and to be signed by them, if you have no money or savings then have you tried applying for INCOME SUPPORT?

    Income support is a means tested benefit for people under women’s pension age that brings your income up to a minimum level, depending upon your age and circumstances. Usually you cannot get income support if you (or you and your partner if you have one) have more than £16,000 in savings.

    You can only get income support in certain circumstances, including where you are:

    * a lone parent whose youngest child is aged under 10 (under 7 from October 2010)
    * caring for someone who either gets attendance allowance, or the middle or higher rates of disability living allowance care component
    * incapable of work and first made your claim before 27 October 2008
    * entitled to a means tested benefit to top up your statutory sick pay

    Comment by Dean — August 30, 2010 @ 2:05 pm


    Comment by philip — November 28, 2010 @ 5:53 pm

  35. Are you sure of the name as the GMC register shows no one registered with that name using just the SURNAME reveals only 2 entries one registered in 1943 the other registered in 1946 that would make both of the around 85 to 90 years old unless he isn’t a doctor but registered with some other medical body

    Comment by Dean — November 28, 2010 @ 11:17 pm

  36. Using the sounds like option throws up this, should have used this last night but forgot

    Given Names Jonathan David
    Surname Louden
    Gender Man
    Status Registered with a licence to practise; this doctor is on the Specialist Register

    More Details
    Primary Medical Qualification

    BM 1991 University of Southampton
    Provisional Registration Date 03 Jul 1991
    Full Registration Date 01 Aug 1992

    Specialist Register entry date

    General (internal) medicine From 19 Mar 2007
    Renal medicine From 19 Mar 2007

    GP Register entry date This doctor is not on the GP Register

    Comment by Dean — November 29, 2010 @ 9:20 am

  37. hi i was ment to go for an interview today,but they rang me up and said system was down? is this normal?im suffering with a disclocated knee.

    Comment by l cooke — December 13, 2010 @ 2:43 pm

  38. I’ve just got a date for my “medical examination” Jan 12th…. I will be greatfull if anyone could tell me which benefits they can stop… I get DLA, Income support & Incap…. Also can I take a dictaphone into my examination incase they deem me fit for work & I need to appeal….

    Comment by Marc — December 29, 2010 @ 3:29 pm

  39. I have heard that the Dwp sometimes use what they like to call, other information, from what I gather it is the information they hold from previous interrogations or forms they have sent out for claimants to fill in. Personally I would use a subject access request to get hold of all this information if you do not have a copy, it won’t help you with your present medical but may be of use for filling in future forms or if you have to appeal the decision of this interrogation.

    Comment by Dean — December 29, 2010 @ 11:45 pm

  40. ATOS do not allow recordings, better to take someone with you to take notes, they hate it when we do tha. They will try to tell you your notes will not be accepted as a true account of the examination and can not be used at tribunals, carry on and do so though, its your legal right. I have roduced an assessment form on the assessing atos page of this blog which you can fill in, it will serve to remind you of the events on the day should you have to make an appeal. If your benefits are stopped I urge you to appeal as over 40% of cases reaching tribunals are found in favour of the appellant. ATOS need to be stopped and that is why this blog and our sister forum exists. You can find further information and templates on our sister forum at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ its free to join and you will find many people in a similar situation to yourself.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 30, 2010 @ 4:17 pm

  41. I recommend you do, we should all appeal against any bad decision made by ATOS, also complain about any form of abuse or poor practice by thier HCP’s. Always amke an FOI or subject access request too. It is essential we hit them where it hurts most, and that is in the profit margine which we can drasticly reduce by appealing, making FOI or SA requests and complaining. You can find further information and templates on our sister forum at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ its free to join and you will find many people in a similar situation to yourself.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 30, 2010 @ 4:20 pm

  42. I have an assesment due in the next month and after reading this site I’m now really worried. I’ve been off work for 8 months with chronic pain following an operation. It’s been diagnosed as neuropathic pain due to nerve injury and I am in constant pain with my stomach and back. I’m on morphine daily and a cocktail of other medicines, I have all med history including all the consultant letters and a&e discharge notes but as my condition isn’t visible and can vary from me being bed ridden to being able to walk around the garden I guess they will find I’m fit for work.

    My life is hard enough as it is, I’ve lost my wage, still have to support my children and I’m isolated, depressed and have been suicidal. Is there anything I can take with me or do to state my case clearer?

    Comment by Adam — April 1, 2011 @ 9:58 am

  43. Hello Adam.

    Take all your consulatants letters etc to the assessment, let them photo-copy them, on no account hand over originals.
    Make sure you get across to the HCP that the DWP decision maker should be sent a copy along with your ESA 85 medical report.
    If you dont insist on this, then they will not bother sending them to the DWP, and that gives the DWP an excuse to write on a letter to you that you only supplied an ESA 50 etc.
    This is one of their nasty tricks, the implication they are trying to get across is you did not show any medical evidence at your assessment.
    For more advice go to the forum below, and meet and discuss with the DWP/ATOS dirty tricks experts in confidence..!!


    Comment by dwpexamination — April 1, 2011 @ 2:18 pm

  44. Think that link should have been

    Also we have our website http://dlahelpgroup.com

    Comment by ians12 — April 4, 2011 @ 8:58 am

  45. Ensure you obtain the doctors GMC number. Ask him whether he is familiar with the GMC booklet ‘Duties of a Doctor’. If he will not give his GMC number then ask to meet his line manager, any doctor examining a patient must be prepared to divulge this information. For any patient attending a DWP assessment, a full history and examination MUST be performed, latest GMC guidelines, failure to do so is in breach of ‘Duties of a Doctor’. IF doctor refuses there are grounds a) for appeal to tribunal b) to initiate Fitness to Practice Proceedings with GMC. INform ATOS doctor of these salient facts and it will do wonders for his clarity of thought.
    ( Twenty years of GMC experience)

    Comment by Maddoc Martin — April 5, 2011 @ 9:24 am

  46. [...] To give you an idea of the type of experience disabled people go through at an Atos assessment, have a read of this website http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Pingback by Letter to Steve Cram to reconsider his role as Atos Ambassador » DPAC — May 31, 2011 @ 6:02 pm

  47. hi wondering any one can he help iv surverd mental health problems and atended special needs schools from the age of ten im now at a point in life i dont feel i can go out alone without been in panicks i have reading and writeing problems allso i turned to drink for over 4 years that realy was a very bad time for me i found my self feeling so low at times it was the only way i felt i could be out but becuse of the drink i became agreesive and very agitated to the point i had to leave my family my wife and kids iv now stoped drinking for the last 3 months but now im back to feeling i cant go out alone and scared sometimes i wish i was dead i just hate my self for been this way and now i had this dr come to see me he only seemed to cared about that i can walk that i can talk and that i can lift things
    he dosent care about my state of mind im lost i dont know what to do anymore lifes bad enough but without money
    then i cant do anything at all i know i cant work i know i cant go to thos places to sighn on im feeling so scared right now i just wonderd if any one could give me any advice on what i can do becuse thos pepole only seem to care about your fitness and not your mental state seening this sight made me realise im not alone in all this but what will it take for thos drs to realise what ther doin to pepole who need help and not pushed will they be happyer if we start to take our own lifes one less person for them to have to make feel so low im so sorry to every one on here for sounding how i do but im so angry and confuced dont thos drs care for any one
    hope some of you good pepole can advice me
    regards james

    Comment by james — July 10, 2011 @ 4:05 pm

  48. Hello James.

    You don’t need to sign on, you can appeal against their decision to find you fit for work, and by appealing you will get the assessment rate, which is the same as Job seekers allowance, and you get the rent rebate and community tax rebate too.
    Click on here James and you can get expert advice on what to do next http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ don’t forget you can contact your local welfare rights or Citizens advice office as well and they can help with your appeal submission. There is an organisation called MIND they can help you as well.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 11, 2011 @ 5:38 am

  49. I have also been turned down for e.m.a, and I am really angry as the question i would have scored points on wasn’t the answers i gave to a medical NURSE. and my bending an kneeling was not even scored at all cos it wasn’t on the form . I wrote to them to appeal they sent a letter back asking for more evidence !!!! two days later i received a letter saying they are sticking to there decision !!!! NOT EVEN GIVEN ME CHANCE TO SEND LETTERS OMG !!! personally i think it a ploy to get anyone they can genuine or not by putting through this ordeal hoping they will just give up on it !!!!!!!! Im in constant pain with my back but given up work and taking pain killers everyday i manage it x if i went back too work in a week i would barely be able too move again causing more scare tissue etc i have mri scans proving damage caused too my back but i don’t think that this matters cos the nurse is so much smarter after all

    Comment by rooster — September 17, 2011 @ 2:20 pm

  50. Hello Rooster.

    EMA ? I hope you mean ESA (Employment and support allowance) as you can see and have worked out for yourself it’s a scam, so are you going to join us and help defeat them http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ anyway that wasn’t the appeal, that was what’s called the RECONSIDERATION, Which means the decision maker who has no medical experience has tried to con you in to thinking it’s your appeal, you can get a GL 24 form from the JC plus and write out a proper appeal, we can help if you log in to the above link.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 17, 2011 @ 7:12 pm

  51. Hi Well Tomorrow i am going to Arden House nwcastle for a Medical assessment i have mental health problems and have been told that its all new now on what they ask you im feeling so sick as i hate leaving the house and dont like to think what they are going to ask me and maybe try trick me.

    Comment by Anonymous — October 31, 2011 @ 7:19 pm

  52. All you can do is answer the questions honestly, in answer to every question regarding your mental health you make sure you get across to these box ticking idiots that every day is a bad day, because with constant mental health issues each day is always on your mind and therefore there is no such thing as a good day, you follow me ?.
    If you have problems with these people, as in zero points etc and you have to appeal, well we can help you win an appeal, just log in to the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ for free advice and help on what to do for money, appeals, who to contact for help near you etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 31, 2011 @ 8:46 pm

  53. Thanks im just feeling sick to the bottom i just cant bare to face people and making me go up there is a nightmare, will let you’s know what happens and what they ask me just for others to know.

    Comment by Anonymous — October 31, 2011 @ 10:38 pm

  54. Cheers…we would be interested in what questions they ask you as well, by the way the assessment doesn’t last long because they can’t wait to get on with it then get you out and get ready for their next bonus victim.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 31, 2011 @ 10:52 pm

  55. Yeah iv been about 4 times in the past but been told i was on some old thing but now its been changed and will ask me new questions which im not looking forward to im not the best at talking to people like them im taking a Member of family with me as always for support i just hope i dont get some nasty old witch, like the last one who dropped paper on the floor and asked me to pick it up. and asked me to do stupid things like lye on the bed and lift my lrg what the hell has that got to do with my mind

    Comment by Anonymous — October 31, 2011 @ 11:17 pm

  56. Hi so sorry for the late Reply,
    Well i went to This medical was in there really early so got seen first was this young Girl went in room so then she just started asking me stuff more or less what they asked me the last time how do i cook meals and i told her that i dont cook meals i get them brought to my house or made for me at home all depends and also told her that my sister helps me out, but then she asked me the same thing 3 times but in diffrent ways then asked how did i get there i said my parents car how long did it take i said i dont know my mother said about 20 mins i said i dont drive then later she asked what kind of car do i drive i got a bit Pist off and told her in my words ( i told you early before i dont drive),then all she asked was reallyabout do i sleep much etc how do i feel i said sometimes i feel i want to be dead when i wake up, she also asked how do i wash my clothes i said i dont have many clothes and i dont wash them others want to wash them for me and the things i have on i sleep in them sometimes so she just went on Thru my Form until it came to the end, im sure these people think its easy being like this if i could have a just one good day and many more then it would be great i told this lady i said how would you feel if you lost your house your job and then have 2 friends kill them self not at the same time mind diffrent times so there we are iv not heard back from them as yet so i dont know what to think at the moment we will see hope this helps.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 7, 2011 @ 2:33 pm

  57. Hi Anon.

    It might be a couple of weeks before you hear from them, it varies, but make sure you ask the DWP for your ESA 85 report anyway, if you don’t ask you don’t get, and you will need it if you find you have to appeal, help is available in great abundance here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ if the worst comes to the worst.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 7, 2011 @ 3:22 pm

  58. Great thanks sometimes i wish they would just leave me alone which i know thats never going to happen

    Comment by Anonymous — November 7, 2011 @ 3:54 pm

  59. hi all i was just wondering my wifes just had a heart attack in the last week shes had two splints put in and has 7 types of pills and a sprey shes at this moment doin not to bad becuse shes not been out the house im just wondering if any one could let me know if she would be entitled to disabilty or any other kind of beniffts for this problem or if others get that kind of help as you can imagine its a stressfull time just now and hopeing for some advice

    Comment by james — November 7, 2011 @ 8:49 pm

  60. What’s your own circumstances James ? are you working ? in receipt of employment support allowance etc, do you have savings etc ?.
    As you can see it depends on your income, if you are working and earning 50 grand a year I think you can forget it, so as I said can you help by narrowing it down a bit ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 7, 2011 @ 10:16 pm

  61. hi thanks for your responce no im not working im separated from my wife but still have daily contact she dosent work either shes a carere for my handycaped son at the moment im on income surport and shes on income suport and careres allowince for my son but haveing had the heart attack shes goin to find things tough

    Comment by james — November 8, 2011 @ 1:46 pm

  62. I don’t see any reason why she can’t claim for ESA, after all she has a handicapped dependent as well, But I can see some possible snags, to be eligible for ESA they may find a job for her in one of their idiotic work focused interviews (unlikely but possible) in that case how would she be able to take care of her son ? that’s just one pitfall and there may be others, but just to be 100% sure she doesn’t lose out in money et al, can I suggest she makes an appointment with the local welfare rights or the CAB first, as I said just to make sure there is no loss offset.
    And things may get complicated if she can no longer be her sons carer etc.
    The DWP are notorious for messing folk around, so she should know her rights before applying. And if you are seperated, make sure they get the message you are living apart, visiting your wife daily could/would be construed as living together and that is a massive spanner in the works and the last thing you need.
    Visit the forum James and pose the question/s http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ they are there to help, and all of them have been through the mill.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 8, 2011 @ 2:40 pm

  63. I have just had my appeal turned down, now going to an independent tribunal……….I have had incapacity benefit for over 5 years as I have Fibromyalgia and more recently degenerative disc disease. I have about 7 operations on my abdomen, causing extreme pain from the adhesions, had both of my knee caps removed, septacaemia and a blood clot in my left leg, and the ‘healthcare professional’ still wrote on my report ‘ managed to drive to the centre’ no mention was made that the real problems were in my left leg and that I drive an automatic car!!!!!! arrrghghghghghghghh I am so cross, and the stress is making me ill. I could go on for hours about how she didnt listen to me properly in the assessment and I have bullet pointed this back to them, and they still turn me down. I have worked all of my life up until this, for what?

    Comment by Debs — November 14, 2011 @ 2:14 pm

  64. I have worked all of my life up until this, for what? Good question Debs, the answers simple ‘For them to take it away from you from right under your nose’ so will you pitch in and help, even if it’s just moral support, here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ because some of us are trying to do something about it.
    If we just stand back and say or do nothing then that’s what is going to happen ”Just take it away, everything, the NHS, our right to legal aid, our right to welfare when we need it et al.”

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 14, 2011 @ 3:07 pm

  65. of course I will……my family know how much I suffer and are astounded at how my case has just been dismissed. I feel that I was ‘tricked’ with some of the questions I was asked, and the people I saw at CAB said it sounded as if I had been so honest, as there are certain days, where perhaps I could work, for just the morning, but my CV would have to start with ‘ 100% unreliable and only able to come to work when I feel well enough’ who the hell is going to employ me on that basis, when I have chronic pain every day, and fatigue, some worse than others. I have contacted my local MP today (not heard back yet!) but, I will pester and pester until he calls me, I will also write. I WILL NOT stand back and have our rights taken away from us, believe me, willing to help your crusade all I can.

    Comment by Debs — November 14, 2011 @ 6:01 pm

  66. Cheers Debs, it’s our campaign unlike this Government we are all in this together, and it’s us who have to do something about it.
    You say you were tricked ? yes I’m sorry to have to be one to tell you that you are correct, that’s what’s happening all over the country, they are getting unsuspecting people in for these so called functional assessments, you know just like the fly that strolls in to the spiders web innocently and CLAMP the ATOS Doctor (who is a lovely person by the way) strikes, and the sad part of it is you don’t even know how devious they are until you get that brown enveloped letter informing you that the Dr claims you are fit for work and therefore not entitled to sickness benefits.
    The anger really starts to build when you see the lies the Dr told about you on the ESA 85 report they send to the DWP, the mindless decision maker in the DWP just rubber stamps everything that ATOS say.

    This has been going on in Britain for the last three years at least, and we have been trying to warn people, but it seems that a lot of people think they know it all (one guy said I’m on IB for life, and they won’t be interested in me, BOY IS HE IN FOR A SHOCK VERY SOON) and can’t be told anything so just like the fly they just keep heading for that web in droves, we can only weep for them as we watch. You can get all the help you need to appeal on the forum if you need it, and there are people to talk to as well, THE MAIN THING IS GET EDUCATED AND DON’T EXPECT ANYTHING FROM YOUR MP, BECAUSE THESE BASTARDS ARE ALL IN ON IT AS WELL., NO EXCEPTIONS THEY ALL KNOW ABOUT IT AND ARE DOING NOTHING.

    But we have some ways to make things difficult for them, and one day they will pay, when that time comes then watch them stab each other in the back claiming they were only following orders or they (like SGT Shultz in hogans heroes) knew nothing, or such and such forced them to do it. When the time comes, I for one will not be interested in excuses.

    Cheers and take care.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 14, 2011 @ 7:54 pm

  67. Hi well got a lettter back from them and guess what i scored 0 points all the way down which im am very peed off at they just dont care at all but im not letting this rest i just cant take it in at the min what they have done.how do i get a ESA 85 report

    Comment by Anonymous — November 23, 2011 @ 11:58 am

  68. Well, get this, just had my second appeal declined, so now going to independent tribunal. My letter from DWP states…..”also, while a clients recollection of events surrounding a WCA might differ from that recorded by the HCP withiin the ESA85, as a third party was not present at the time, I am unable to reconcile such differences. The DWP is confident in the professionalism and competance of its health care professionals and as such I accept the record as presented by the HCP”

    Ok, so they also state I am not 100% capable of full time employment, I am still, apparently able for ‘light work’…….I have just got up after being in bed since Sunday afternoon with extreme fatigue and dreadful pain. I suffer with Fibromyalgia, so it can attack at any time, which I explained at my ATOS interview…..am I to go to an employer and say “can I just come in when I feel up to it?”…. What employer will take on someone like that. I am just so angry today, I have looked at the pack they have sent me, which includes all the information I have supplied to them, and been sent on to the tribunal service, however, they have not sent them the three A4 pages I sent them of my pain diary……if I knew where to send it, I would send it to them myself and say I’m afraid DWP forgot to send you this bit……..I am just bewildered how they can expect me to work, even though I would love to, my illness doesn’t afford me to know which day i will be ill on. So glad to have found this forum, at least I know I am not alone.

    Comment by angry and confused — November 23, 2011 @ 1:13 pm

  69. Hello Anon.

    Just phone up the Job centre that you deal with and say you have just been found fit for work and do not agree therefore I wish to appeal, could you please send me on the ESA 85 assessment report and also the GL 24 appeal form thanks etc.
    Don’t forget the person you will be talking to will not know you from Adam so it’s no use going in to details on the phone just get to the point and they will comply.
    If you need that help to appeal then as I said before you can log in here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 23, 2011 @ 3:37 pm

  70. Debbie you are not alone, this is the blog, you can get all the help you need here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ explain to the good folks on there what DWP/ATOS tribunal problems you are having and they will try their best to help, these are real people with real experiences of the DWP and ATOS, another thing…the powers that be cannot shut the forum down because the server is based in Iceland and outside British law and jurisdiction.

    Meanwhile I can suggest you get in touch with your local welfare rights office and they will help you as well, as for the A4 pages well if the worst comes to the worst then you can take them along for the appeal panel to read on the day of your appeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 23, 2011 @ 3:47 pm

  71. Hello again Debbie.

    Could you please clarify, you say you had your second appeal declined, since an appeal is to the first tier tribunal and not a reconsideration by the DWP, could you please explain what you mean by ”just had my second appeal DECLINED ?”

    Thank you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 23, 2011 @ 7:48 pm

  72. Ah, ok, I went for my medical, then got p45 saying benefit declined, so appealed, then it was declined, now had letter saying its being passed to independent tribunal service. Sorry if I was a bit vague……still feeling a bit foggy!

    Comment by angry and confused — November 23, 2011 @ 10:13 pm

  73. Hello Debbie.

    Yes I just want to clear that up, you received notification from the DWP that you were found fit for work, so you appealed it was reconsidered, and now they are allowing the appeal ?. Ok got that.
    As you have seen the reconsideration process is just a sham, it’s nothing but a con to confuse and hope to put you off by trying to insinuate that your appeal has been heard and disallowed.
    We need to get it across to people who are new to this nonsense, that the reconsideration process is not the appeal it’s just a consideration by a pen pushing muppet, the truth is they don’t even consider anything, it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t even bother to look at it again, just cynically thrown to the side with the rest and piled up on top of each other.
    These decision makers are all in on this scam, they all know it’s totally unfair, but still they allow the horror to go on, they should all hang their heads in shame. Well there’s no excuse, when their time comes to be held to account in the future they should feel the full force of the law for their decisions. Are people out there aware that so far 16 people have committed suicide because of their erroneous life and death decisions ?.
    Ignorance of the law is no excuse either, and they can’t just say I was only following orders from my boss etc he forced me to do it.


    Comment by dwpexamination — November 23, 2011 @ 10:39 pm

  74. have you seen this http://www.atoshealthcare.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=68

    just as an extra note, I am going to make an appointment to see the disability officer and a welfare officer, to see what their view is…..

    Comment by Debs — November 24, 2011 @ 10:36 am

  75. oh, another thing, they are discussing DWP on LBC right now!!!

    Comment by Debs — November 24, 2011 @ 10:36 am

  76. Thanks Debbie I will stick it on the links section on the forum.
    I noticed they have what’s called mental function champions, whatever will these jokers think up next ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 24, 2011 @ 11:40 am

  77. Well i have been on the telephone and getting my ESA 85 sent out along with the GL 24 appeal form been told will get them around sat in the post! really my state of mind how on earth could they say i scored 0 points these people are living in there own tiny bubble i might have my bad days and sometimes dont have a clue even what day it is but im going to flight all the way to the end with these scum bags people they must love taking people off sick to get there own grubby hands on the money and im being cut £90 and will have to live on around £45 a week dont the DWP really make your christmas a happy one cheers sometimes you feel like walking to the nearest cliff top maybe that will make them happy

    Comment by Anonymous — November 24, 2011 @ 5:56 pm

  78. Hello Anon.

    That’s the first step, getting the ESA 85 and the GL 24 appeal form, you have a month to get it sorted, when you look at your ESA 85 you will see lot’s of mistakes, and the first feeling will be shock, don’t be shocked because the more mistakes there is the better for you at the appeal.

    The descriptors are everything, compare what you wrote regarding your health away back when you filled in that ESA 50 with the descriptors and at the same time compare with the ESA 85 mistakes and then compose the appeal.
    You will notice on the GL 24 there is a small box to write your appeal, that’s a con to try and make you think that’s all the space you have, just use the small box as your introduction and get A4 paper and number the descriptors as they apply to you etc.
    For instance suppose you cannot walk more than 25 metres and the ESA 85 says you can walk 30 metres, then you can use that numbered descriptor and explain the reason why you can only walk up to 25 metres, the descriptors are what they are interested in at the appeal, not what is wrong with you but your functional capability, it’s what you cannot do and so on that’s what gets you the points…!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 24, 2011 @ 7:17 pm

  79. Thanks DWPEX its a great help as im not that good at forms etc so will be getting help with them.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 24, 2011 @ 7:28 pm

  80. Well after all the waiting for ESA 85 and the GL 24 appeal form i get up to find that the job centre has sent me ESA50 Limited capability work questionnaire and a small greay book from April 2010 are they stupid.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 26, 2011 @ 1:03 pm

  81. Anonymous…The answer is yes, and it would be funny if it wasn’t so flippen serious, your first reaction is a strong desire to phone them up and denounce them for the idiots that they are, but you mustn’t do that, better to phone them and explain in a calm voice what the problem is, and I’m sure something can get sorted, don’t give yourself extra grief it’s not worth the aggro..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 26, 2011 @ 2:02 pm

  82. ASTOUNDED……. I have had a letter today to go up in front of the Tribunal service, the first line of the letter says, if you wish to no longer appeal, tick this box!!!! More importantly, guess where they are asking me to attend? …………………..BIRMINGHAM! how in gods name do they expect me to get myself up there, is this another ploy, surely there are centres nearer to me ( I Live in Essex by the way!) that journey would destroy my back, knees and stomach….I shall be phoning them on Monday. Has anyone else attended this ‘place’?

    Comment by Debs — November 26, 2011 @ 2:07 pm

  83. P.S. and I am still not receiving any money!!!!!!

    Comment by Debs — November 26, 2011 @ 2:08 pm

  84. Hello Debs.
    Obviously desperately hoping you will tick that box, you have to go to Birmingham from Essex ?, they might as well say Birmingham Alabama because you won’t be going, ring them up and explain the situation, surely they have made a mistake ? because that is totally unacceptable.
    There are plenty of tribunals in London and that’s far enough from Essex for a journey, no it’s just not on, you need to phone the number they supplied you with, on no account let them browbeat you in to going away up there.
    Imagine being stupid enough to actually go there the judge on the panel would say oh well if you can journey that far you are obviously fit for work.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 26, 2011 @ 2:48 pm

  85. Debs.

    You are not receiving any money ?, hope you applied for the assessment rate in your appeal submission ? or at least told them somehow ?, anyway that’s another call on Monday, this time to the DWP, politely ask if they could sort it for you..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 26, 2011 @ 2:51 pm

  86. i was informed when i was awarded d.l.a high rate for day n night for life that it can not be taken off you and you dont after be reassesed is this correct please

    Comment by Linda Kathleen Briggs — November 28, 2011 @ 7:40 am

  87. The Government are re-assessing everyone with health problems with the aim of depriving them of their right to sickness benefit, their ultimate goal is to do away with every type of sickness benefit and bring in a type of work insurance via UNUM provident insurance company.
    Now we can look on with folded arms or try and do something about it, we are doing that here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 28, 2011 @ 9:25 am

  88. Hi been on the telephone to job centre the person there has told me that he is going to send out the form i need GL24 Appeal, then went on to say that they dont have my address but my parents address so how have they beed paying my rent sending me letters etc. Then went onto say that Job Centre Plus do not send out ESA 85 Report and that i have to ring Ardon house if i want that as they dont have this report which i then went onto say that they do as it gets sent to them but he still says they dont so thought maybe you could lend me a hand on this inrfo if he is telling lies thanks

    Comment by Anonymous — November 28, 2011 @ 3:38 pm

  89. Hello Anon.

    The person you spoke to on the phone is probably on 6 quid odds an hour and couldn’t give a monkeys.
    Send the DWP a letter and ask for the GL 24 form and an ESA 85 report, they are responsible for sending it on to you, not ATOS.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 28, 2011 @ 7:14 pm

  90. Hi thanks i will do that, im sure they are trying to put me off from doing this but im not backing down to them im going to fight all the way

    Comment by Anonymous — November 30, 2011 @ 11:18 pm

  91. Anon you can get help with the appeal here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ just think up a username and log in.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 30, 2011 @ 11:38 pm

  92. I just wanted to let people know of my own experience with ATOS examiner in Glasgow recently. I had appealed the decision of my DLA award for Low rate care & mobility. At the tribunal it was decided to ask for another EMP (medical examination) and the hearing was adjourned. The medical examiner came to my home. The first thing he asked was to see my ID (fair enough) however when I asked him to afford me the same courtesy, he refused stating that as he was in possession of my file, this was all the ID that he required to show me. (Not good news). Later when I received a copy of the medical examiners report, I was horrified to discover that it did not relate to myself. It spoke of of conditions that I did not have, it stated that I was not on any type of medication and was not in fact seeing consultants and repeatedly contradicted itself. I wrote to state that this report was wrong, and my GP also wrote a damning letter highlighting this erroneous report. The DWP decided on the basis of this report to request that my current level of DLA award be withdrawn. I thought that the tribunal would examine the medical evidence (reports, x-rays, print outs from CAT scans etc) whilst considering the false medical report in order to see that nothing within the medical report was accurate with regards to myself and my medical problems. Alas no, this false medical report is still considered as evidence and was accepted. Not only did I fail in my appeal for higher rates, but I also lost the award of low rates.

    We have asked for a 2nd tier hearing on the grounds that my human rights were disregarded (under Article 6 “Fair Hearing”) as the original tribunal failed to acknowledge that the medical report was indeed inaccurate and bore no resemblance of truth to my own medical conditions past or present, in fact quite the contrary in that the chairperson stated that whilst she agreed that I had previously claimed DLA based on medical conditions that were “prevalent” at the time of my original claim, it was “clear” that I no longer suffered this as evidenced in the most recent medical report. (That is the one that was a pack of lies).

    How we get on is anyone’s guess, but will let you know. Also I tried to make a complaint regarding this medical examiner, however as the tribunal decided to accept his report, the complaint fell on it’s face.

    Comment by David — December 6, 2011 @ 10:53 am

  93. I attended an ATOS medical in August, I never heard a reply until I was asked to attend another medical, I had to insist that I already had a medical and why should I have to attend another one, at first hey did not believe me. Then I received a number of replies. The ATOS doctor did not complete the medical, we have lost you file, you have not enough points and you are on a twelve-week recall.
    Now I must say the ATOS doctor was a retired GP from this area and had the name of being a very good GP, and he was a gentleman he suggested to me that I should ask my GP for a certain course of action, including various blood tests and a visit to an Occupational Therapist, and said they was various aids that I could get which would help. I ask me GP and he agreed that it would be a good idea. So I do not believe that this doctor’s madical was incompleat and for the same reason I do not believe I had too few points.
    ATOS at the request of the SSA made another appointment for me 23rd Disremember. Last Wednesday 1st Dec, I was informed by telephone by thw SSA that my appoint had been cancelled and there would be not appointments available for the foreseeable future. The very next again by telephone I was informed that I had to attend a medical now on the 3rd January.
    Can anyone tell me is this normal, and how many medicals can I be asked to attend.
    My GP has written to them expressing his surprise that I was called a second time because of the severity of my illness and also stated that he hoped that this would be the last time I would be called for the foreseeable future as in his opinipn I was in fact quite ill and had been for a long time.

    Comment by victor3144 — December 7, 2011 @ 5:05 pm

  94. Hello Victor.

    If you had told me that ATOS had called you for an assessment on say Monday and another assessment on Tuesday then another assessment on the Friday I would believe it because this is the most incompetent bunch of fools to ever gain a Government contract.
    They don’t know their arse from their elbow, so yes the answer is this is normal, in fact anything is normal with these twits. They once demanded someone who lives in Essex to attend an assessment in Birmingham, honestly you couldn’t make it up.
    Can I suggest you attend the assessment, because if you don’t you will find that your benefits will stop, just go and if the worst comes to the worst then appeal and just accept the assessment rate etc.
    You can get loads of help here as well http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 7, 2011 @ 6:54 pm

  95. I suffer from Psoriatic Arthritis plus all the add-ons’ that comes with it. I am just so exhausted, part and parcel of the illness. I do not know who to trust. My GP seems to be on board, he did write them a stinker of a letter. My illness cannot be cured I get £99.70 per week no DLA, All I want is enough (not money) but just pain management so I can shop keep my home and myself clean. That is all.
    I have been trying to find out how much ATOS get per medical not having much success despite the freedom of iformatio act. So if anyone knows I would be interested.
    I have request all revelant document form my past medical so I migh be able to submite it for “Pulitzer Prize for Fiction”.
    Qualifications for ATOS/SSA Administrators.
A PhD. In male bovine excrement, this should be accompanied by the inability to orientate the geographical positions of their own anatomy, one of which should the hinge joint in the middle of the arm

    Comment by victor3144 — December 7, 2011 @ 10:13 pm

  96. Hello Victor.

    I’m sure someone on the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ has already put in a FOI to try and find out how much they receive per assessment, I do know one thing according to the recent work and pensions committee’s recent publication (£20 or in my case free from your MP) ATOS claim they do not receive a bonus per client but are paid by how many assessments they can carry out per day, as you can see the more assessments the more cash they get, that sounds like bonus work to me Victor, does that sound like bonus work to you ?.

    Anyway, when you are dealing with the DWP and ATOS everything is obscure semantics, they use words like ”CLIENT DECLINED” instead of Client could not, ”CLIENT GOT ON A COUCH WITHOUT THE HELP OF ANOTHER PERSON” instead of Client struggled to get on the couch etc, everything is double meanings and jive talking. ”WE ARE TRYING TO HELP THEM ON TO ESA AND THEREFORE IN TO WORK” when they really mean, We are trying to throw them on to Job seekers allowance and therefore the scrap heap with less money.
    The DWP used to be truthful Victor, but not anymore, they have lost all credibility and cannot be trusted anymore, so treat these jokers as the criminals that they are and trust them not, but don’t take my word for it, find out for yourself, but this is a warning to everyone on here who reads this, if you want to learn the HARD WAY then get on with it, but don’t dare ever turn round in the future and say you weren’t warned.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 8, 2011 @ 5:50 am

  97. Hi i have not wrote on here for about 2 weeks maybe 3 you wrote back to me on here number 89 my reply was… I have had the most horrific few weeks this appeal has just went on and on i have been told 3 times that my ESA 85 Report was in the post which i still have not got and this woman from wales give me another week but it has been a waste of time i have not getting it so i have had to send the Appeal form away with A4 paper for Extra writing as you said in there form there was not space to write and this morning i have just getting another letter this morning from newcastle city council saying that they have stopped my rent and its been suspended for one Month my house is private rented the way im being treated is just a bloody P** take so now i dont have any income and now they want to stop my rent my form was sent in yesterday without a ESA Report my last payment for income was the 16th december what a lovley way to be treated, i want to make a official complaint iv been treated like a door mat and was also told that the form from Ardon house goes to Bradford how can anybody Judge me from Bradford this system stinks they are all stupid i just dont know what to do now.

    Comment by Anonymous — December 17, 2011 @ 1:05 pm

  98. Hello Anon.

    Now you know what we are fighting against, now you understand how corrupt these people are, you must come to the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and join us against these people and help us fight them, too many disabled and ill folk who could help are doing absolutely nothing and that is why we are in this mess.

    Anyway you have sent of your appeal without seeing your ESA 85 report, you decide why they would delay sending your report to you, after all that report was in the DWPs hands withing 24 hours of you leaving the ATOS building, it’s obvious what these corrupt bastards are trying to do.
    They have also informed the housing department that you are fit for work and no longer entitled to benefits, of course they have omitted to tell the housing department that you are appealing against their decision finding you fit for work and therefore entitled to the assessment rate.
    They did the same to me, so I can tell you what I did, which was to send them a letter and informed them that since I am appealing and still on benefits then I have the right to the same benefits as before. In other words make sure you get across to the housing department that you are on the assessment rate because you are appealing. If you do this you will be ok and still get your rebate as before, you may have to wait a little longer. The DWP are doing this to everyone to cause as much chaos as possible, their object is to force you to sign on at any cost they don’t care if you die in the process.
    As I said join the forum and get educated, do not let them trap you again because of ignorance of your rights, and don’t ever forget when dealing with the DWP then the way to go is to get on their back immediately, give them no respite, because they will give you none.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 17, 2011 @ 2:12 pm

  99. thank you so much for the info i will do that and will keep you updated more often yes i will join and beat these pigs

    Comment by Anonymous — December 17, 2011 @ 4:02 pm

  100. Hi DWP i have tried to join but it just keeps saying The field “Are you a human being?” must be completed. i have clicked Yeah I Am does not ask anything else i put everything in the numbers and letters at the bottom.will try again later unless there is a fault

    Comment by Anonymous — December 17, 2011 @ 4:31 pm

  101. The fault is only temporary and will be sorted soon, it has arisen due to the new anti-spam which has just been installed, we were plagued with it unfortunately, it stops all spam, trouble is it is stopping legitimate members from joining, we are working on it and will soon be sorted before long.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 17, 2011 @ 6:08 pm

  102. Hi, I know this to be true.

    It’s difficult to get your head around it.

    I just got a letter saying my Housing benefit and Council Tax have been suspended. They’re erring on the side of caution, my benefits are due to be reduced (fair enough) but just in case they pay me too much, they’re suspending them until they’ve worked out how much to reduce it by. In the mean time, I’m left to expalin to the landlord why I can’t pay the rent.

    And it’s Christmas Eve!!! These letters always arrive on a Saturday, leaving me all weekend to contemplate the prospect of homelessness (your life in their hands), but “Happy Christmas from the SS”!

    They do it deliberately, the sadistic b********s!

    Comment by John — December 24, 2011 @ 7:14 pm

  103. Hi John.

    It’s a typical DWP tactic and same here last time, but this time I was ready for them, we live and learn, and believe me I’ve learned my lesson.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 25, 2011 @ 12:55 am

  104. Hi DWP i was number 97 and 99 well as i waited so long for that report i never got as i said i just sent my form in with out seeing it i would been due to a payment today but with all this shit going on i dont have penny i should really had my 2 weeks money, so i guess the appeal i sent in has prob not even been looked at with christmas so it will be a waiting game for me, and i wonder am i entiled to a C/Loan? and also can i make a complaint because of them not sending my ESA Report thats what made me get my Appeal in so late and then iv ended up with nothing these people make me sick and pissed off i am so angry,i went down and told them about my rent being stopped and so she faxed a letter saying that i was appeal to the dss and for my rent to be put back to normal but that i dont have either my landlord is not to happy about it i really want to complain about this but dont know where and who?

    Comment by Anonymous — December 28, 2011 @ 12:19 am

  105. Anonymous.

    You can complain to your constituency MP, and also your local DWP office, by rights you should receive that report immediately and they have no excuse because the whole report is sent from ATOS to the DWP that very day of the assessment.
    Yes if you are stuck for money you can ask for a crisis loan.

    Now you have found out the hard way, the DWP are liars and don’t give a toss, not only that but their whole system is a shambles because they have made their working lives as difficult for themselves as possible, so do not believe anything they say, take everything with a pinch of salt, I can tell you, everything you have experienced I have experienced (except for the report, I always got that immediately) and it’s all designed to sicken you, this has been going on for years now and we on this Blog and also the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ are trying to get it across that we are not joking, we are trying to warn everyone before they get caught up in all this, but sadly very few people are listening to what we have to say.
    We are seeing people making the same mistakes day in day out, and most of it can be avoided if they got themselves educated and if also they knew how much of a shambles the DWP system really is, if the taxpayer only knew how inefficient they are they would put an end to it immediately.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 28, 2011 @ 10:17 am

  106. Hi Again well i phoned up crisis loan today and waited 36 min on phone for them to answer so when i do get to talk he tells me that i must ring the esa at job centre so i ring them thats another 26 min so i speak to this woman she puts me through to somebody else 5 min wait there so when i speak to this indian woman i explain that about my appeal and how i waited for the esa report and the form went in late and i was due money on the 28th december so she tells me that i should sent in a sick note with my appeal??? which i told her that i dont hand sick notes in and that it was a Appeal form but she goes on to say that no im wrong and that she has to email somedody else about this and that it can take up to 3 hours for them to ring me back i was so pissed off if i could put my hand in the phone i would put them round her neck so if they dont call me back i have to wait until tomorrow for them ringing me.feels like im just getting no where

    Comment by Anonymous — December 29, 2011 @ 3:29 pm

  107. Hello Anon.

    There seems to be a confusion here and this is one of the problems with dealing with foreigners on the phone, you don’t need to send in a sick note with the appeal, but you do need to send in a sick note if you are appealing, they will not pay you the assessment rate if you do not send in a sick note, so you must see your GP and get that sick note, the DWP should have told you this on the letter explaining you have been found fit for work and can appeal.
    And yes I agree, talking to them on the phone is absolutely excruciating…

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 29, 2011 @ 4:11 pm

  108. Hi DWP well i just rang back and got somebody english which she seemed better then the rest and i explained i told her this is just 1 big nightmare shambles everything she seemed shocked at what i told her and about the esa 85 report i thought enough is enough so she then went onto to tell me that i must get a sick note asap then make a appointment at the job centre take it in there and then they will send the info to them and then sort out a payment so i asked about a crisis loan will i be able to get one she said yes so i told her what the first person said from crisis loan this morning can you put a note on so that when i do ring there wont be any prosblem so she said she is/has done that and it be best to ring tomorrow as its too late now, so i seem to be moving that little closer i will state at the appeal that twice the dwp have (Failed) to send me that Medical Report which its Law to send me it and why would they not send it have they something to hide? from me i will fight until the very end with these people i really feel for people who have just been taking off now they have a rocky road ahead and im only half way there..anyways will keep the page updated. Many Thanks for the help.. SJ

    Comment by Anonymous — December 29, 2011 @ 4:42 pm

  109. Hello Anon.

    At least your getting somewhere, when they get the sick note then in theory they should pay you, but don’t take anything for granted, to avoid disappointment expect the worst every time you deal with them, because getting your hopes dashed time after time is totally soul destroying. Now it’s just a waiting game as soon as that sick notes in, and patience is a virtue here..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 29, 2011 @ 5:06 pm

  110. Hello,

    Firstly I would like to say there is a great insight into the Department for Walking over People. I like many others on here have been through the medical with Atos, and with neuropathic pain from the base of the skull, I find day to day living difficult, the assessment its self was a farse, just a load of questions, and no examination. On closer inspection of the report they sent me and looking at other sources of information regarding dwp medical proceedures, it looks to be that things movement of limbs ect have to be affected by a seperate issue and not arising from the issue to which I am claiming. On the 7th December I got a letter saying my ESA claim had been denied and that my last payment would be a few days before Christmas, added stress aghhhhh. 0 points out of 15. I sent in an appeal and medical certificate, and for some reason appeal was lost but certificate was on system, phoned up on the 29th both on system but appeal in the south and medical certificate up north. Finally got them to accept they had both bits of information and payment is pending, but due to the 3 hour call back from them ect, ive delayed taking my medication so much my doctor has had to prescribe something else to top it up, if I take it during the time of the call back, I become somewhat incoherant and spaced out, or other side effects like sickness so I miss the call. I ask how long does the appeal take? not the triburanal because i was told 6 – 8 months. I have the backing of my GP and surgeon, but the dwp dont listen or read the letters. I guess my writing this is just to vent my anger at the way I have and every one else has been treated, im not looking to stay on ESA for the rest of my life, but due to the complexity of my pain and its surgical side affects my GP and surgeon have to explore all possibilities even the small ones they are 99% sure wont make any difference.

    Comment by Not a Cliff Fan — January 5, 2012 @ 11:17 am

  111. Hello not a cliff fan.

    The appeal is the tribunal so you must mean the DWP decision makers reconsideration ? well it can take a month or two, by the time your appeal claim gets to the top of the pile, then they look at the basic details just to make sure you are still alive and haven’t killed yourself with the stress of it all, then they send you a letter saying your appeal was reconsidered you have been miraculously cured and you are still fit for work, so as you can see the reconsideration process is just a con because basically they don’t reconsider anything, it’s just a time wasting gimmick that helps them but does you no favours, so I personally would not ask them for a reconsideration but ask instead to be fastracked through to the proper appeal process as soon as possible.
    But be aware that even if you do this they will still not respect your wishes and go ahead with the sham reconsideration anyway whether you want one or not……..GO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 5, 2012 @ 1:57 pm

  112. Is there a list of Doctors that are used by Atos Origin? It is clear to me that the system is corrupt when Atos and indeed the doctors they use are on bonuses for giving reasons to deny disability help.

    I have had an appeal on going for over eighteen months now. When I finally got a court day for the tribunal it was postponed and carried on for another couple of months. When the hearing came around I was made by the doctor present to feel like a fraud, a cheat and a liar. The hearing was again postponed so that a doctor could be sent to see me as I had never had a medical exam, I was seen on the 21 December 2011 by a Doctor. The subsequent report the doctor has filled in and sent back is nothing more than a sick joke or a scam. Over half the questions I can only assume have been made up as I was never asked them and the assumptions made by this man who does not know me, never seen me before and knows nothing about my medical history are totally wrong and I would go as far to say a down right lie.

    What Atos Origin and the government are doing is making a mockery of the medical profession by getting doctors to undermine the expertise of other medical professionals such as the four specialists that I am currently under, five if you count my Physiotherapist.

    I have thought of many ways to complain about this situation most of which would only bring shame on my family, the only other way I can try to bring light to this appauling situation is to go on a lone one man hunger strike in the hope that the system can be cleaned up.

    It is my hope to bring shame on all the people who have been abusing the system for many years if not decades at the expense of people who are genuine.

    Comment by Kevin Horne — January 8, 2012 @ 12:08 pm

  113. Hello Kevin.

    All this nonsense you are experiencing is par for the course from ATOS healthcare and the DWP and has been going on for at least three years, it’s all a game to try and get you of benefits by sickening you to the point where you just crawl away and die, of course you mustn’t do that but just keep appealing and applying for the assessment rate.
    A bit of good news is you will not get the same panel as the last time so the new panel will be starting afresh, I found that out by my own experience, I quickly realised that the new panel were clueless to the last panels decision, proof enough.
    And it is a sick joke and a scam you are right there, we are fighting against this abuse of power here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ we want to see an end to this fabricated functional assessment nonsense as well as an end to ATOS and a new fairer assessment put in place.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 8, 2012 @ 2:15 pm

  114. I am on D.L.A and E.S.A i had to go for a medical which killed me as i suffer with bad anxiety, whatever happens i’ll be appealing, was just wondering if anyone can help me and let me know if when you go for a medical are they making decisions on my e.s.a or d.l.a? just iv got a letter saying iv been awarded d.l.a. untill 2013 so im abit confused, iv been told Ardon house dont deal with D.L.A but i really dont know, but if so why have i been awarded it untill 2013 :/ PLEASE someone help anxiety bars raising.

    Comment by Candy — January 9, 2012 @ 5:30 pm

  115. Hello Candy.

    The assessment is to see if you are fit to work, so that’s for your ESA, if you fail their assessment then they usually use that as an excuse to stop your DLA because even though DLA is an out of work benefit as well as an in work benefit their logic says if you are found fit for work at the assessment then there is no need for you to receive any kind of benefit other than Job seekers allowance.
    Of course if the worst comes to the worst then an appeal will be in order and if you win the appeal the whole rigmarole starts again, so you need to understand that they will never go away, every time you win an appeal you will receive a letter in double quick time from ATOS to go for another assessment.
    I’m sure you will agree that this nonsense has to end and we are trying to do this on the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ as well as helping people with their appeals etc.
    The Spartacus report which concerns DLA in particular is now available to download here http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/files/response_to_proposed_dla_reforms.pdf

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 9, 2012 @ 5:55 pm

  116. Hi DWP my last comment was 108 well where do i start so much has went on iv just lost where i am.. Well i got a crisis loan great so then i thought right everything will be normal silly me there is no such name in the dwp i was due my payment looking forward to it went to bank nothing in so i called them up they said i need a sick note i told them why did you not say this to me weeks ago so i rang my doctors and only just got to see him on the 8th and it was at least week and a half ago so i got my sick note went in the same day with the time they give me sat 15 min they shouted me over so he asked me to fill out the back of the sick note so i did right he said you will get a call in about 2 hrs time!! Right great waited 2 hrs no call 3 hrs no call so i rings them up to be told they are very busy and it may be the next day so i said fare enough you cant win either way so next day i ring them got a welsh woman only for her to say to me that i must have another sick note from Dec-Jan and unless i get that i wont be paid so im thought these Cu**s are taking me to the limit now so rang my doctors back told her on phone and asked if my doctor could do me a sick note and i will collect it Not as simple as that for what took me 3 min 2 days ago i was only told it would take 48 hrs well im starting to loose it now had a few words on phone so she said i will send a note down to him and then when he brings it up to the desk we will ring you great only sat all day no phone call no money nothing they have taking the food out my mouth and the heating from my house i have key meters and just Dont have the money to top them up with not being paid so its a blanket on the sofa my Human rights have been laughed at they just think they can do what the fuck they want and dont give a shite i want all these dwp people to loose there jobs and fall very ill then be made to visit atos lets see how they feel i want to make a complaint for the way i have been treated but dont have a clue where to go or what to ask for will they have forms to complain.anyways these people all need shooting at the dwp horrible nasty corruption evil people

    Comment by Anonymous — January 10, 2012 @ 11:56 pm

  117. Hello Anon.

    Everything you have went through I have already been through over two years ago and was made homeless, sick notes more sick notes, we lost the sick note Sir so you will have to get another one Sir, it’s all designed to drive you round the twist and force you to sign on because they don’t want you to receive sickness benefits.
    That’s why you have to keep on top, there can be no letup when it comes to dealing with the DWP, you must keep in touch or you will always be behind in info etc http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ that’s the forum go there and learn what this Government has planned for you, and maybe you can join us and help instead of being a lone wolf and losing out.
    You can also download the Spartacus report and learn from it http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/files/response_to_proposed_dla_reforms.pdf the Government have deceived the whole country in their desperate attempt to push the welfare reforms through, they have lied to the people and they have lied to the backbenchers and they have lied to the Lords, they have also lied to the media, this Government is a dictatorship and they will stop at nothing to push their unmandated policies through.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 11, 2012 @ 6:38 am

  118. in august 2011 i had a medical with atos because of having osteoarthritus of the spine in L4/L5/S1,i have a protruding disc onL5,i have spasmodic giving away of my knees and have just had a bicep repair in my dominant shoulder repaired with a pin inserted for life which tendon is attached to ,i also have uncontrollable bowel problems because of herniated disc.my weight is 18,5 stone.i have been medically retired from my job as a postman after 27 years and been told by atos that they dont think i will work before retirement age.i was 45 years old given my pension and lump sum .i was on esa and reassessed in dec 2011,i have had a letter today to tell me i failed this medical with 6 points [all for my bowel probs] and in their view i can work again all this in 4 months according to them im cured atos retired me then atos said im fit.i am in constant pain have the runs as soon as i eat ,my life is sat on a recliner chair in front of telly as i cant walk without pain cant stand for long or sit straight for long i cant lift anything over 2.5kg [physios words],it looks like i might have to have a 2or3 level spine fusion,undergoing tests on knees and bowel.
    my point is how can atos finish me and 4 months later say im fit when because im not active im in more pain.i know im better off than some because iv got a pension coming in but by rights im entitled to my esa i have appealed but been told it could be 6 months .[my esa is low because of my pension so im not on full amount.

    Comment by philip westerman — January 18, 2012 @ 9:02 pm

  119. Hi Philip.

    Well I can see you are going to win your appeal with absolutely no problems (Of course you should never be complacent) and all money these monsters owe you will be backdated to the date you were told by the DWP that you were supposedly fit for work.
    That’s as good as money in the bank Philip, and will be yours again some day, you just (easier said than done I know) have to try and be patient.

    Now this you are unfit then fit business by the same company has been explored by us and others in the past, and this is what ATOS have to say : ATOS Occupational health (When you were a postman) have decided you are not fit enough to work in the post office at your regular job, and we haven’t really got anything you could do that would justify our employers in keeping you on, so goodby.

    Then ATOS healthcare, you see Philip the same company but a different branch, have assessed you and decided that even though you couldn’t work as a postman there must be something out there you can do, therefore you are not entitled to any kind of sickness benefits, because remember Philip just because ATOS and the Government have told you that you are fit for work this doesn’t mean they do not recognise you have health problems.
    So the DWP say on their idiotic brown coloured letters which they love to send when they find you fit for work, the decision makers who send these letters are in my opinion nothing but criminals because each one of them knows fine well what they are doing to sick people is just downright immoral, disingenuous, and right on the border of the mentality of a Nazi storm trooper.

    Not one of these DWP decision making bastards in the whole of Britain has got the courage to get of their skidmarked underpants and say to Lord Freud NO Mr Freud this is wrong and I will not be a party to it any longer.

    So it looks as though at least for the moment we will just have to appeal every erroneous decision they make and keep appealing and appealing until they get it in to their thick skulls that we are never going to give up and it is not going to improve their figures and is not going to save the country any money in fact it’s going to cost them money.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 18, 2012 @ 10:23 pm

  120. A few months ago I failed this discriminatroy assessment programme and have been deemed fit to work within 3 months. I am a recluse. The assessor wrote that I go out to the pub once a month with my friend. I don’t, (my mother forces me to go out about 3 times a year to a small quiet pub at 2pm when it is empty and which has a carpak at the back so I can escape easily and the owner of which I know well from when I worked accross the road). He even said that being able to care for our cats is apparently relevant, ignoring the fact that openning a food pouch (I can’t pick up a tin) does not mean I can go to the shop to buy the food, and one of them has a serious illness and would have died three times in the last year if mum couldn’t take him to the vet. He said I was able to “make cheerful banter with mother” which really was my mother doing her best to stop me having a major panic attack, he ignored the fact that she needed to come into the room with me. He said I wasn’t rocking (a sign of anxiety) when my mother even had to tell me to stop rocking (she doesn’t like it). He said I have no difficulty moving my hand, even though I can’t even turn it over or pick up a spoon and he took no note of the pain at all. I am supposed to have another operation on it according to the specialist, but I am too afraid to go to the doctor. Apparently I was well kempt, which I am certain an employer would disagree with, and maintained adequate eye contact, I think I looked at him three times in the 20 minutes. Nearly all his notes were the opposite of what I said to him, and he almost ignored how my condition afects my functioning in the house. I can’t even wake up unless forced – even alarms don’t wake me, I don’t eat unless prompted, or shower, or do laundry. I’m a basket case.
    But that day, I was having what I call “a good day” I felt I was improving and had even managed to go out with my friend and a few other people after 7pm (obviously to somewhere where we were the only ones there), that was the first time I had managed that in about 5 years. I have long been looking for work I can do from home that doesn’t start with “Do you own a web cam?” and the other doctors I’ve seen before were supportive and conversed with me so I was trying really hard to act “normal” – that was a big mistake.
    He wrote that I was able to go to uni two years ago – without asking how – I lived with my then partner, a friend went with me the first few days, I had a support group of other people with anxiety disoders in my class, was never without one of these girls and all of the staff were trained psychologist and counsellors – as it was a psychology and counselling degree. I didn’t go out drinking and partying (he actually assumed I drank a lot), and it was the most stressful thing I have ever done until now, but I did this terrible, useless degree as a form of Cognitive Behavioural Therapy, learn about your disorder and set daily challenges in a safe environment etc.
    He noted that I am not on medication etc. but didn’t care that this was because I can’t phone for an appointment at the doctors, am afraid to go to get repeat prescriptions and really wish I was dosed up to the eyeballs. Apparently being too ill to get help means you don’t need help.
    Now I have to go to meetings, even while I appeal, or they will penalise me (for being ill), to learn how to write a CV as if I don’t know that already and it will be of any use when there are no work from home jobs available. I haven’t slept for two days because my appointment is tomorrow. My mum can come with me, and they don’t seem to think that implies I am ill, I’m 26 and need my mother to go with me for f**ks sake. It is bad enough knowing I’m abnormal, knowing what is wrong with me, what caused it, how my brain chemistry is affected, what medications I need and how they work and don’t work and knowing the counselling techniques that can help, and dealing with the stigma from my own family (half of whom I have cut all contact with as a result of abuse) without being called a liar by someone who didn’t listen to a word I said, and clearly has no active listening training at all and made no effort to seem approachable.
    I haven’t had suicidal thoughts for about a year, the anxiety was the main problem, but now they are back with a vengance since they put me in the work-activity group, every time I see the front door I freak-out because I HAVE to go out tomorrow or they will assume I am fine (it makes no sense), I’ve barely been downstaires in the last three weeks because of it. All I wanted was a list of employers that do jobs from home like databasing or proof reading. I honestly feel this is going to kill me, and that would suit them just fine. I would rather die of my own volition and stop being a burden to my mother and society rather than being bullied and driven to suicide by these “people” who clearly don’t care that this is doing the opposite of helping me. I need some way to access the healchcare system not this. The whole system from doctors appointments, applying for benefits, the interviews, work programme and appeals is all set up to punish people like me for having a mental illness rather than a physical one. not to mention the press and public opinion seeing me as a “scrounger”. I already feel bad about being “insane”, but apparently I’m fine and just lying so I can have an “easy life”, I’d like the people who run this to spend one day in my shoes – they can even have one of my rare “good days”.
    They even lost my appeal form so I have to do that again, and people say it takes ages and there might be a tribunal. I can’t do this, “life” (if that’s what you call what I have) was hard enough already. I can’t imagine how bad it must be for people who are seriously ill. Why is there no class-action against thse guys and the DWP, I’d join it in a second.

    Comment by Rebecca — January 19, 2012 @ 3:50 am

  121. Hello Rebecca.

    We are sorry to hear this story and all the crap you have to go through, but I can tell you that you are not the only one because it’s happening to thousands and thousands all over Britain, ATOS liars have a lot to answer for.
    You say you are in the WRAG (work related ? I can only go on what you tell me) which must mean you are appealing because you believe your condition is such that you should be in the support group, I can tell you that to qualify for the support group you need to be virtually brain dead (apologies to anyone with that dreadful condition) so just about everyone is in the WRAG.
    I wish you had come to us sooner here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ where theRE are people with your health problems who can/could have helped before you went for that assessment (admitting you can go to the pub will go against you for instance), the forum is still available and at your disposal for the next time you visit these people.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 19, 2012 @ 6:00 am

  122. even though atos retired me there are 3 options that post office can give you,1,is we think you can do other postal work,2,you cant do postal work so here is 34 weeks pay go find another job that you are fit to do and 3,in our view you are not fit to work anywhere with your condition here is a medical retirement and lump sum and monthly pension.atos now say i can work so why didnt atos say you are an option 2,but atos said you are an option 3,HOW CAN THEY CHANGE THEIR MINDS NOW,i could have stayed with post office and worked for 20 years maybe and had 47 years service with them,In my view atos are not fit to do this job.
    in reply to 118

    Comment by philip westerman — January 21, 2012 @ 1:14 pm

  123. Phillp… Your rhetorical question is 100% correct and at the same time shown up the stupidity of the ATOS tick box one size fits all so called functional assessment. A not fit for purpose money making scam and should be ended immediately with a new fairer impartial system put in place.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 21, 2012 @ 2:06 pm

  124. this has happened to 3 of my mates who were retired by atos from royal mail the same time as me,all told same as me,jobcenter has told me they have seen people get no points and still win the appeal,it just makes a mockery of the system,and the more they fail the more that appeal the longer its gonna take to have your appeal,and for some money is very tight

    Comment by philip westerman — January 21, 2012 @ 2:44 pm

  125. An excuse to get rid of people from the Post office as well, soon all companies will have these ATOS type Drs in place to help get rid of people who dare to take a couple of days off sick.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 21, 2012 @ 3:40 pm

  126. feb 2012, Well atos has just done the same to me ! They sent me a letter saying zero points ! I had to request the medical form they fill out , that wasnt coming without a fight, also the letters from medical professionals , that box wasnt ticked when they said medical evidence given by the way !
    I had to request these letters twice , as they didnt want to hand them over !. I was told at interview , in between crying and shaking m no anxiety or depression here though……JOKE! that it goes to somone else and they make the decision. The medical form with all the tick boxes , said i was in a fit state on one hand , but not in another , so ATOS are the monkeys NOT the organ grinders !
    Mysteriously my tax credit hasnt been paid either , although tax credits SAY IT HAS ! The interview is designed to fail US , not them ! , They had to send me home in a taxi , as i was in no fit state to do anything !, They said i was angry at first at interview , this was true , i said to them well you already made the
    decision before i got here, so WHAT IS THE POINT !!! ???????? They didnt like that one !
    I am appealing , was told to straight away , it has taken me two weeks as i havent been well enough to even write to them. I appealed and they faxed it with my sick note via the JOB CENTRE, i got a monkey [ and not a nice one who said that THE MEDICALS WERE DESIGNED TO HELP US ] JOKE !!!
    I do suffer with anxiety and depression , i think i may add paranoia to that now , as THEY KNOW EXACTLY what they are doing. Good luck to all , but dont hold your breath , Rosie

    Comment by rosie — February 3, 2012 @ 2:23 pm

  127. Dear rebecca , yes i was told that , the rocking only counts for anxiety ! YOU poor thing , i dont go out much either ! if at all i said i went to the market , fact i dont go out if all month upon month is irrelevant ! You are not going to win , the whole set up is put there to for you to fail this doesnt help my anxiety and trust issues ! i was told that i couldnt get a copy of my sick note , as even if they lost it , my copy wouldnt COUNT as it was a copy , and they didnt want to waste resources ! ATOS can do that all by themselves ! Appeal , im expecting to lose mine as i was really RUDE ! I really dont trust this government anymore ,i feel quite threatened and honest , if we cant trust the very people who run the country to this extent , and it is an awful state of affairs WHO CAN WE TRUST. Now listen you are probably really going bonkers now , as you are probably thinking you imagined the interview , that really were you even there ?… did you speak ? or have you got paranoia and dellusional tendencies also [ to add for atos , hahahaha] Was there really a nurse or doctor there in the room with you ? i have always wondered if you can tape the conversation with those guys ? hmm interesting , something to look into i guess ! hugs and bless xx Rosie

    Comment by rosie — February 3, 2012 @ 2:38 pm

  128. well i have read quite a few comments on hear about atos?my story ,well you have heard it a thousand times on hear ,and yet i am fit for work, how can they say this when i have chronic kidney ,and liver cyst.depprsion, panic attacks my kidney function is nearly depleated ,and pain in muscle ,due to kidney problems ,i cannot walk too far ,and yet i was deemed fir to work / ,why ,cause i get dizzy standing for long periods, the so called nurse told lies about me in the medical saying i opened doors which i never did cause i did not know were to go ?they are liers and cheats ,sick after sick note i have sent in,i am now appealing with help from c a b my partner died 6 months ago ,so i had to deal with that,i am totally pissed off and wonder if i would be better of dead? the tears never stop so who is helping me,

    Comment by dede — February 7, 2012 @ 1:16 pm

  129. Hello Dede.

    We have all been there and know how you feel, it’s good you are getting help to appeal from the CAB, don’t forget to ask the DWP for the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard because they don’t tell you that is your right but advise you instead to sign on for job seekers allowance.
    Of course if you don’t know about the assessment rate and sign on just to get money to live they will say AH HA another scrounger caught out, so don’t give the buggers the privilege.

    (PS) They (ATOS) tell lies about everybody, and the appeal panels all know about it so don’t waste your time worrying about it. Just appeal and win and get all the money they owe you backdated, that will hurt them more than anything..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 7, 2012 @ 3:27 pm

  130. just had my medical with atos for my industrial injury i recieved this time last year,initial assessment was 20% disabled in my dominant shoulder ,this as far as im aware is to see if its lifetime disability award,. The grumpiest guy iv ever seen dun the medical in and out in 10 minutes,never once looked me in the eyes hardly talked to me,wrote sum things down after telling me his name and tapping his atos name badge ,walked out of there feeling thats another appeal im gonna have to do ,even though i now have my bicep tendon stitched to a foreign object drilled into my shoulder bone,still get a lot of pain every day and have been told to never ever lift anything above 5kg for the rest of my life im 45.Went to citezins advice this week so they can fill out my dla forms they were great slagged off the atos,and agreed to write a letter to the tribunal for my esa appeal which they say will help.In the daily mirror yesterday there was a column slagging atos for making a man fit for work with heart problems he had won one appeal for incapacity benefit was due another appeal but then died of the stress,a labout minister is telling goverment to get rid of atos and said last year 150,000 people won their appeals,what a waste of tax payers money

    Comment by philip westerman — February 18, 2012 @ 1:14 pm

  131. Hello Philip.

    Up to now at least 31 people have died either directly or indirectly through ATOS erroneous decisions, Chris Grayling was asked about it in the commons and he just dodged the question, so he knows and there’s no excuses now, any more deaths or suicides and he should take full responsibility.
    This Government that’s running this Country has lost the plot, they are even demanding the terminally ill get out of their sick beds and in to work for their benefits, god only knows when all this horror will end..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 18, 2012 @ 2:18 pm

  132. I’ve read all the posts with interest.
    I,ve just had an interview and was awarded the obligatory 12 points. Of course I telephoned dwp for an appeal form and they said it would be in my possesion inside two days (not.)
    My interview with the ‘doctor’ went, it seems, like everyone elses. The results were fabrication and lies. One thing that I didn’t realise was that when I got the results I was informed that they had already recieved an esa113 from my doctor. So much for medical files being private.
    Anyhoo what do you think of this. I told the ‘doctor’ that, among other things, I had meneiers disease. Having had a couple of mild attacks recently I found that I started going progressively deaf in one ear. Every single question he asked me I had to ask him to repeat it. (he was talking quietly). His report. Nothing wrong with my hearing. My back problem from an industrial injury was transcribed as, ‘could sit for forty minutes and stand for two.’ Correct. I sat for forty minutes and when it became so painful I stood. I was in such an odd position that I sat back down again because I couldn’t stand. Note that while I stood I took three Ibruprofen in front of him for the pain. His prognosis, I could lift a cup.
    Now, because I had informed him that I have diagnosed agitated depression and anxiety, he said, at the end of the interview, ‘do you mind if I give you a physical examination or are you too stressed that you want to go?’ I said, ‘no, I’d rather you examined me now as I have no intention of coming back. His reply was, ‘no it’s alright you can go. I’ve got enough information.
    I was gobsmacked. He cut the interview short, didn’t examine me at all, then deducted however many points based on observation alone. I mean, is that Atos policy to please yourself when you choose to end an interview. If he said he was going to examine me then the intent was there. He should have. So creative writing, fabrication and downright lies was all he wrote.

    Comment by Jeff Rich — February 25, 2012 @ 7:37 am

  133. Hello Jeff.

    Sometimes when one looks at Blogs and Forums one can form an opinion quite quickly as in THIS IS A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS, NOT SO HERE because you have found out by experiencing ATOS directly that everything we say is true.

    Let’s look at it logically Jeff ? why would this clown only give you 12 points ? another 3 and you can get your benefits, why would he be so lacking in any kind of empathy of your illness ? the Answer is obvious.

    In order to get his bonus he can not give you the full points, in other words your assessment was already decided before you even turned up at ATOS, so many that day get passed, and so many get failed, each Dr has so many assessments to do that day and such and such a percentage of them are to be found fit for work.


    Comment by dwpexamination — February 25, 2012 @ 8:58 am

  134. Just to follow up on my comment this morning, thanks for your reply, the government have, in my opinion slipped up on grand scale.
    If my appeal is turned down, if I get that far, then I will turn up at Jobseekers, sign on and present my Atos report to them.
    I will inform them that when I apply for any jobs I will present any future employer with my Atos report and explain that it is my cv.
    Atos insist that their reports are valid and enjoy government backing so I will tell future employers that my Atos form is a government guarantee that I’m fit for work.
    These forms only work in an enclosed atmosphere. Any future employer will be able to see at a glance that, in Atos terms I am fit for work but twelve points say that there is obviously something wrong with me. The report has passed me fit and condemned my health in one and the same form.
    On an unrelated matter my MP has known about my illness for four years. They’ve picked on the wrong f@**ing person this time. They’ve put me in a position of nothing left to lose.

    Comment by Jeff Rich — February 25, 2012 @ 11:44 am

  135. i was told by benefits that they can overrule atos and as you have had 12 points they might very well do this,they seem to have a bit more sense than atos.

    Comment by philip westerman — February 25, 2012 @ 1:44 pm

  136. Hello Jeff.

    When you appeal you may get a letter from the DWP saying your appeal has been considered and your fitness for work still stands, they may also add we recognise you have an illness or disability but we believe with the right help and support you can be helped in to work.
    It won’t say that exactly but words similar, don’t fall for it, because it’s all bullshit, it’s a cynical attempt to make you believe your appeal has been heard and refused so why don’t you take the hint Senor and sign on.
    They may even phone you and tell you this, if they do then have your answer ready, just politely tell them THANKS BUT I WOULD STILL LIKE TO CARRY ON WITH THE APPEAL PLEASE. The decision maker will immediately end the call and grant your wish, don’t argue with them.

    By the way, you will win the appeal if you show medical evidence and answer the questions correctly, all money they owe is then backdated etc.
    So to look on the bright side at least you will have some money in the bank while you wait for the appeal to be heard.

    Go to the forum if you need any help or support.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 25, 2012 @ 5:08 pm

  137. Hello Phil.

    They are trying to cut down the number of people who they believe will have a good chance of winning their appeals, you obviously fall in to that category, it’s got nothing to do with sense they are not nice people, and they couldn’t give a toss if we/you lived or died.

    If they allow your appeal without going to the tribunal it’s because they know you are going to win hands down, only if they have the slightest doubt will they allow you to attend an appeal tribunal, the appeal panels cannot cope and that is the real reason. The fact that they have told you this suggests to me that you are going to win at a tribunal easily, they are just debating because they are still in some kind of petty denial.
    If you have to go forward with the appeal then don’t worry because you are going to win..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 25, 2012 @ 5:21 pm

  138. had to larf today benefit agency only sent me someone elses appeals pack with all their reasons for turning them down for esa,reading it because this person has a few of my problems and found something interesting.When i was retired by atos it stated that i had problems sitting down and standing up for longer than 10–15 minutes because of my spine problems,and in my own reassessment they never mentioned my problem because if they did [and it was in my notes right infront of her] i would have had another 9 points which would have given me 15 points.The appeal forms i had today gave you all the points system and how many you have for each problem.So it shows they try not to give you the points you deserve just so they can fail you,i phoned up benefits and explained what happened they couldnt apologise enough and told me to send in my letters that prove this and they will look at it again and please will i send back the other persons forms lol.Not good when ive got someones national insurance number,full name,address ,in the wrong hands a lot of fraud could have happened

    Comment by philip westerman — February 29, 2012 @ 7:21 pm

  139. Hello Philip.

    That’s like finding a police officers ID, obviously not as serious but imagine the damage you could cause the DWP ? you could be on newsnight or some other television program waving that around shouting ”Look this is the nonsense we have to put up with” ”This lot couldn’t pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heal” And we could also imagine Chris Grayling and Iain Duncan Smith watching the tele in bed together saying Oh JESUS F..K please No, no, no please nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. With you looking at the camera giving a big thumbs up..!!LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 29, 2012 @ 10:04 pm

  140. it does not matter what proof you have over your sickness or injury they are all on peace work the more they see the more they get and lets not forget there get them off bonus so we do not stand a chance legal corruption thats how i see it can’t believe we are our own worst enemies the british are noted for moaning and doing nothing thats why the goverment does as it pleases we all have the wrong attitude ie ah well its going to happen no matter what we say the government is thriving on that attitude we have to change if we want to be treated with dignity and respect

    Comment by cliff — March 11, 2012 @ 4:57 pm

  141. Just had tribunal for DLA. What a joke!
    Can someone tell me how to put in a complaint about the EMP they sent out to my partner? He basically fabricated half of what he wrote! I did not know this until today as I couldn’t decipher his writing. My partner suffers with rheumatoid arthritis in almost all of his joints (hes 29 and had this since 2006), obviously with this condition comes pain and swelling (as the main symptoms) but according to their EMP there is NO SWELLING, but I ask you, how can he say this when he didn’t examine him at all? Didn’t look at his knees (the worst affected joints), back, shoulders, toes…. looked at his hans for about 10 seconds and listened to his chest. That was the sum total of his “examination”, not that it could or should be called that!
    We believe that the EMP’s report was a major deciding factor in the tribunal panels decision, and as such we will be appealing to the upper panel and I want to complain about the joke for an EMP.
    The other thing that bothered us was the ridiculous hypothetical situations they kept coming up with to ask questions. Things like “If your partner and son were to go on holiday without you, how would you cope with cooking a meal for just yourself?”, the simple and obvious answer is that me and my son wouldn’t go on holiday without him, but that wasn’t good enough. Surely something hypothetical also has to be realistic?!?!? This is just one example of the stupid questions they were asking!

    I could go on forever with my comment, but shall leave it there before I get too angry.
    Anyway, how do we put in a complaint about the EMP?
    The decision papers explain how to appeal to the upper panel so we know how to do that.

    Comment by kirsty — March 15, 2012 @ 12:31 pm

  142. Hi Kirsty.

    You make the complaint to ATOS themselves and don’t mess around with the EMP but go straight to ATOS Customer services. 4 Triton Square, London, NW1 3HG. http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=atos%204%20triton%20square&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CEsQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.atoshealthcare.com%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_enquiries%26Itemid%3D226&ei=_OZhT7qoA4-EhQf5oKCxCA&usg=AFQjCNFqO3qbXHKuhQMKR9fEeDC03RwzmA&cad=rja
    Expect to be fobbed of Kirsty, if you have a strong complaint though and they panic they sometimes (rarely) concede and offer compensation in the form of some money, and they add in this does not mean we accept responsibility, but as I said expect a rubber ear in the form of a fob off letter, and at the bottom they will say ”If you are not happy with our response contact such and such.
    Unfortunately we have to climb the greasy pole and that means exhaust every procedure to get higher and higher, the complaints procedure was meant to be as difficult as possible.

    The tribunal service is rotten with corruption Kirsty, like me you have found out the hard way, and I can tell you the upper tribunal are even more corrupt, they are all Toried (I say old chap) up to the hilt, not one of these Commissioners in the second tier has had a hard life or experienced any kind of deprivation, but don’t take my word for it, you will find out in a couple of months when you see how they word everything to side with the appeal tribunal.

    I’m sorry you went through this experience and also sorry that I don’t have anything positive to say, I know how angry you are because I’ve been where you are, It’s also very frustrating as well because your life is in the hands of these people, and in your heart you know they are not playing the game..!!

    I do hope you have welfare rights to give you a helping hand, you can even get help here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ Good luck and take care.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 15, 2012 @ 1:14 pm

  143. Thanks for the quick reply.
    We live on just income support and child benefit/tax credits for our day to day living. We don’t want to but have no choice as I am essentially a full time carer for my partner, not that the tribunal saw it that way, they seem to think I choose to do everything for him rather than he needs me to (we have a 3 year old who is dependent on me, why would I choose to make my partner dependent on me too??).

    I do expect to be fobbed off but I’m stubborn when I believe in my heart that I am right and I wont give up easily! I’m sure the tribunal had made their decision before we even entered the room, but all we can do is keep going through the system and jumping through their hoops in the hope that someone will eventually listen. There isn’t any other way of doing it.

    I will be requesting the reasons for the decision (as it says we have to) ASAP, and also requesting a “slip of the pen” as they describe it, to be amended. (wrong year written on decision document). Lots of letter writing for me.

    Would it definitely have been an ATOS doctor they sent out? As I have nothing to say what organization the doctor was from, just a letter to say they were requesting an EMP to visit, and a copy of the EMP’s report (fat lot of good that was, I’d have more luck reading my 3 year old sons scribblings!).

    Comment by kirsty — March 15, 2012 @ 4:14 pm

  144. Hello Kirsty.

    If your applying for any kind of sickness benefits it’s ATOS healthcare who deal with it, if it’s at your work then it’s a different outfit from the same firm called ATOS Occupational health who deal with it.

    It’s not unusual to have a job say in the post office (they use ATOS Occupational health) hurt yourself and when you go for an assessment the DR declares you unfit for work.

    So because ATOS have found you unfit for work then you are forced to apply for sickness benefits, and you then get assessed by ATOS Healthcare who find you fit for work. You couldn’t make it up..!!

    And that scenario is happening all over Britain, if you ask ATOS themselves how that can happen they will tell you that a person can be unfit for their present job but fit for some other kind of work, some light duties like stacking small tins in to shelves in Tescos or picking up light boxes etc.

    So it doesn’t take a veritable Einstein to work out that this has all been planned years ago, in the future every firm will have an ATOS Occupational DR in there to get rid of people who are ill, and is also a good way to get rid of troublemakers as well, the first small accident and it’s down the corridor for an ATOS assessment and benefits follows with a P45 from the Company in your pocket.

    Then it’s down to ATOS healthcare to do their duty and pronounce you fit for work so you are forced to appeal or sign on.
    This Country is descending in to hell, and people don’t realise it..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 15, 2012 @ 4:52 pm

  145. Ok thanks. Not happening through work, just applied after finally being diagnosed (after 5 years of living on the sick). Ive joined up to the forum so will use that if i need any more help or advice

    Comment by kirsty — March 15, 2012 @ 5:09 pm

  146. I,ve been through this process twice after long coma brain surgery etc 1st time 5 months after brain surgery, well you know the result it went to tribunal and was turned over, it looks like another assessment is iminent as I have been sent ESA50, is it allowed to take someone in to the assessment to film and record the whole thing, including the names of the assessor the person on the reception with all their credentials, as let’s face it, we are dealing with a Nazi mentality interesting that NAZI is a four letter word with two vowels and two consonents exactly the same as ATOS coinsidence I do not think so, fifty years from now there will be ATOS hunters out there as most Nazi’s are dead is Atos a Nazi uprising!!

    Comment by Neil Duerden — March 16, 2012 @ 10:25 am

  147. Hello Neil.

    You do have a point there Neil… ATOS – NAZI, they have made it easier to identify themselves as Nazis both through their evil actions as a so called health company and as you say their similar looking name. Also these Work is good for you (Work makes freedom) type slogans hasn’t helped them either.

    I hope it’s just a coincidence that your Christian name has two consonants and two vowels, if not watch out, ATOS might want you to join their evil empire…LOL.

    Cheers Neil.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 16, 2012 @ 10:43 am

  148. after losing my appeal i have been told by my mp who put me in touch with some other organisations to send a complaint in to try get my appeal set aside , after being made to wait one and a half hours then having approximately a 20 minute appeal hearing , of which i was told by the panel they would have to be quick due to THEM running late as i never got into see them until 12:30 and i feel they had made the decision before i went into the room and 1pm is dinner and wine time for them , i walked out (well i hobbled to a phone box) on my family last week due to this mess , i feel useless our home is falling apart
    literally as i used to be able to maintain the home myself , my marriage feels like i am just married to our bedroom because i don`t move out of it , i feel lonely all the time , my wife tries to encourage me to look at what we do have ( kids and grand kids etc. ) but no good having grand kids when you can`t do anything with them , i don`t sleep with my wife anymore as no point due to cannot do anything but sleep,
    i have no life outside of this room ,

    Comment by d — March 28, 2012 @ 8:27 am

  149. Hello D.

    Did you have a representative at the appeal ? going in without one is very difficult and uncomfortable. So let’s say for arguments sake that you went in alone then you can ask for a statement of reasons from the appeal panel, that is an explanation on why your appeal was unsuccessful, when you receive it then take it to the CAB or your local welfare rights and ask them if in their opinion you can appeal to the second tier on a point of law.
    Meanwhile if you have a new health condition or a worsening of your present condition then there is nothing to stop you from re-applying for ESA again, as long as six months have passed when the DWP have informed you that you were fit to work. Since these appeals are taking more than six months to be heard at the moment then I assume you meet that condition.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 28, 2012 @ 12:55 pm

  150. hi
    no i had no representitive due to i would need to pay my wife works 32 hours a week so she get tax credits , therefore cannot get esa even though i was forced into going for the physical examination of which i got 12 points and was given lots of nil points for things that affect me ? i have a degenerative lower back condition which will never get better infact it is getting worse , i suffer from severe anxiety attacks so take diazepam , i have a hyatus haernia ( severe reflux ) so need to be careful of foods i eat which costs a lot out of our meagre budget, i suffer badly with bowels due to the medication i take i either am constipated or have the other bit for days on end , i have high blood pressure took 7 months to get me a correct dosage to calm it down , i am unemployable i have been told so by 4 employers even to do part time work as my back rules me straight out of most jobs and the cramps and bloating and the other bits that come after constipation , mean i am either in agony or on toilet for hours on end , my doctor refuses to up my dosage on pain relief he says at age 47 if he ups it more by time i am 57 i would need morphine dosages , the back problem runs in my family along with blood pressure , my sister has same back problem also my mother did also my sisters son who is only 27 , i am just so fed up with all my problems it`s not nice being 47 and having your daughter clean the mess up because you cannot reach toilet quickly enough , and this causes me even more stress so i take 5 – 8 times more diazepam than prescribed? i see no way out of this mess until i am gone and give my family some peace

    Comment by d — March 28, 2012 @ 1:17 pm

  151. Hello D.

    Were you on contributory ESA ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 28, 2012 @ 2:37 pm

  152. no was not entitled to any benefits due to wife working and getting tax credits , i had accident at work in late 2005 machine fell on me off fork lift truck , since then i have been forced by the joke center to put in for esa , works disability thing and dla all in one go which after 5 years of trying to get benefits of any type has confused me so much , as all paperwork was coming in and dla asked me for my esa results? so sent those in yet i got to hearing ready to battle about all these pages from esa dla etc. and was told NO WE ONLY WANT TO HEAR ANSWERS AFTER OUR QUESTIONS WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ESA? so right away i knew my fate because i prepared for many things and got asked nothing really except why don`t i have a walking stick? mmmmm probably because i don`t go out due to pain in my back , oh i also lost 5 years of n.i. contributions so my pension will be next to nothing due to incompetent joke shop staff saying my wife would get them paid due to getting tax credits well that was wrong so now lost 7 years because i cannot sign on as they will not accept i cannot work lol , you see it is time to give up

    Comment by d — March 28, 2012 @ 2:54 pm

  153. Hello D.

    Why haven’t you tried to get help from welfare rights or the CAB ? or a legal advice centre ?, granted your case is very complicated, but over five years without any kind of help ? that in itself is an injustice, you really need a real expert to go over this with you.
    Do you live in a City ? or a big town ? if so then getting help is much easier, I can’t believe you are not entitled to something, I’m not saying your wrong I just find it hard to comprehend.
    I personally can’t see a reason why you can’t apply right now for Employment and support allowance ? I can see how and why you can’t sign on, as I said you need professional help to go all over this. I apologise for this injustice on behalf of my fellow man D, this is just one of the things we have been fighting for the last three years, I don’t know when this hell is going to end, I really don’t.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 28, 2012 @ 4:19 pm

  154. i had never heard of welfare rights as i never needed to use them and our cab office is a joke people waiting outside from 7:45am and they don`t open until 9:00am , i was turned away after spending about 6 hours waiting and told to phone for appointment with a reference number they gave me i phoned and they said can you come in on friday at 3:30pm over a week later ? waste of time they close at 4:00pm on friday ? i guess i never needed these services before and really don`t want to use them now as welfare rights said they would help me when i get my paperwork back unless they refuse the hold on my appeal ,
    then it is back to square one of filling in the forms which they will help with but i will need to go to their offices another expense of a £15.00 return taxi ride which we just cannot afford ?

    it is just getting so frustrating paying all this money out that we cannot afford to get nothing back

    Comment by d — March 28, 2012 @ 6:08 pm

  155. Hello D.

    Getting help from the welfare rights is a good start, the CAB in your area sounds dreadful, just shows how much pressure they are in if people are queuing at 7:45, stuff that.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 28, 2012 @ 9:03 pm

  156. lol i had an atos medical 2 weeks ago..after the dwp told me i was disabled but they couldnt pay me as i might not be disabled in 6 months,just for the record i have 3 crushed vertibra and all lower flacet joints rub bone to bone which has over the last ten years caused me excrutiating pain. im wheelchair bound for out doors and only get around on crutches indoors.my main back muscles go into spasms every couple days which can be friggin painfull,also with the amount of back pain i suffer causes me to have cluster migrains..couple everyweek which i have strong suppositrys for,along with this for 6 years i had steriod injections into my flacet joints and had neural ablomination or spelt that wrong..nerves in base of spine electocuted to burn them which by jeeves is THE MOST PAINFULL process lol..after all this she looked around at end of interview refused to actually examine me physicaly only asked me questions..then when i asked her weather it will go to appeal she said im reccomending your not what they want…what the hell does that mean???? any1 lol

    Comment by alan — April 9, 2012 @ 9:29 pm

  157. Hi Alan, what you are saying comes as no surprise I’m afraid. Have you asked for the esa85 report yet? if not please call your local jobcentreplus today and demand a copy. They can not refuse you access to it and you must have this to see what they have written about you and you find out how many points they have awarded you so you can appeal if necessary. Please try to join our sister forum at http://www.dwpexamination.org where you will meet other people in a similar situation to your own. Please keep me updated with your progress and especially when you get your ESA85 report

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 10, 2012 @ 7:37 am

  158. thanks for your reply..i have a cab specialist doing all my paperwork and he will get a copy of this.i am due my decsion anytime from today..ill keep you posted,but i definitly was made to feel that im not disabled during that medical and felt like i was on trail for bieng in so much pain..it was a dreadful and demeaning experiance and i felt like my honesty and integrity was made to be criminal until proven otherwise.and that of cause is decided by the so called doctor with a clip board lol

    Comment by Anonymous — April 10, 2012 @ 8:43 am

  159. hmm just phoned up as i still havent got a result yet and woe and behold the atos medical person HASNT sent my form in yet and when they do mine is down to go to be moderated or something..checked before it goes to my decsion maker i dont know toooo confusing anyway this process can take up to a MONTH before i hear WTF ive already waited since october 2011

    Comment by alan — April 16, 2012 @ 6:15 pm

  160. had an assessment two weeks after surgery only had stitches out day before so mind not as sharp as it would have been failed and scored no points have the feeling that i have been to Lourdes because somehow or other they have cured arthritis and an uncurable disease in hands admit it is not painful but it will cripple you in the finish as there are only treatments reading through form when got it back it is one of the best pieces of fiction that i have come across

    Comment by june — April 20, 2012 @ 6:33 pm

  161. Hello June.

    You must have the ESA 85 assessment report then ?, that’s good, your next step is to get a GL 24 form and appeal, you can get help from your local welfare rights or CAB to represent you and you can pick a username and log in to the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org for help too.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 20, 2012 @ 7:06 pm

  162. already sent appeal in and used solictors as advice cannot fit you in within the time limit due to all the appeals will leave a note when i get a date for appeal

    Comment by june — April 22, 2012 @ 4:06 pm

  163. just had medical for industrial accident ,been told i cant claim because iv got no loss of power or faculty in my back because of the accident,also he said on my notes that i got out of my wheelchair with no bother,my wife had to help me get up standing and i was in her arms while he looked at the 6 inch scar of my spinal fusion which i had 2 weeks prior to medical ,iv been diagnosed with osteoarthritus of the spine and just had all kinds of metalwork inserted in my back.atos are a joke this is my third failure that they have given me.i also asked for it to be reconsidered the lady said straight away we wont reconsider it then in my medical form they said they have reconsidered all the points i asked them to ,i never got that far to give them points they just shot me down so another appeal has gone in my third

    Comment by philip westerman — April 23, 2012 @ 6:27 pm

  164. I’m 33 worked all my life with adults with learning dis And have suffered with a bad back for a few years in November I really hurt my back and December lost my job whet to job Center to sign on and manager said go to docs he then inturn game me 3month sick note while I wait for mmr scan so they put me on ESA £40 week lol but better than nothing had MRI two crushed disks l4/l5 with server sciatic nerve pain then they put me on full mobility and dla I’m waiting for an opperation now and today I’ve had an atos appointment come though the door and after reading all your post they going to take me of it aren’t they :(((((

    Comment by Mr A — April 24, 2012 @ 5:56 pm

  165. Sorry MRI scan I’m on a few meds lol

    Comment by Mr A — April 24, 2012 @ 5:57 pm

  166. your lucky to have been able to get dla i have failed 3 times i have lots of serious illnesses yet am fit for work ? i attended a job interview and they said i had no hope of getting work , just because of my back problem yet according to dla docs i am fit because i can smile and lift my arm and concentrate on what they say , biggest load of bollocks ever i hope they all suffer a horrible death miserable bastards

    Comment by merlin — April 24, 2012 @ 6:41 pm

  167. Hello Mr A.

    YES, if you walk in to the ATOS centre, just walk in, that’s enough for them to declare you fit for work, so the answer to your question is as I said YES.
    So insist on a home visit, they will ask you to provide some kind of proof from your DR, do so and get a home visit to give you (Even that isn’t guaranteed) the best chance of getting full rate ESA.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 25, 2012 @ 6:46 am

  168. Hello Phillip.

    That looks like an another appeal you are going to win, what a waste of time and resources eh, it’s absolute nonsense.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 26, 2012 @ 4:01 pm

  169. hi its ALAN,im still awaiting my reply from dla…only because ATOS has not sent my report in the dla asked them again 1week ago..still no joy now have to wait till naxt week when they will ask them for it again..then my ATOS report has been chosen to be forwarded to the moderators to check up that ATOS is doing there job lol..which means its at the modes for 3weeks after ATOS decide to even grace the dla with my review..what a friggin joke :(

    Comment by alan — April 29, 2012 @ 6:04 pm

  170. Hello Alan.

    It’s a lot of jumping through hoops, nothing is simplified and everything is negative, that’s a DWP experience..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 29, 2012 @ 7:02 pm

  171. had my time in front of the tribunal today for my esa appeal,was originally given just 6 points,today they gave me 18 points won my appeal now i have to appeal to get from working group to support group,all this appeal was on my assessment,since then i have had major spine surgery to put in a metal cage,4 screws,2 rods and spacers and took my facet joint away to decompress my nerves total agony how can i work with that been told its 18month recovery time.but iv beaten them once will hope to do it again.was a guy at tribunal who has been on dialisis for 12 years had a kidney transplant but still they fail him.

    Comment by philip westerman — May 16, 2012 @ 5:48 pm

  172. Hello Phillip.

    Good to see you winning, you are saying a guy on dialysis was found fit for work ? that’s shocking, absolutely shocking, that panel chair is what the welfare rights officers call a hanging judge.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 16, 2012 @ 7:03 pm


    I had a medical assessment yesterday by a Nurse!! I have Fibromyalgia and quite severe depression and high anxiety. I have tried to take my own life several times now, unfortunately people have always got in the way and saved the day and as anyone who knows these illnesses will agree…. its a silent killer. If you are serious about taking your life you never say you will or say when – if the demon grabs you enough – you do it. My Uncle was a fit man never let on or showed how depressed or desperate he was, he walked on to a railway line when a train was coming and killed himself we were all shocked – proof of what I say. I have worked all my life (in law) helping other people, loved and lived for my job however, due to the recession I have now lost 3 jobs in the space of 3 years all of which with the stress exacerbated my condition, I tried to keep working but it all got too much for me. I am not going in to the trials of how I feel etc other than to say desperate does not come close, been a single mum I have struggled 100% of the time – but I would like to help others who may read this, I was terrified, my son came with me, I have trouble with my hands and hip etc etc, can’t hold things for long, am in pain constantly, cry a lot, suffer sleep deprivation and worry consistently. On turning up at the center I signed the form and was called in. I was not seen by a Dr but a Nurse (or so she said), the questions I was asked and how it went as below I have to say even sitting here now I am shaking uncontrollably so typing may suffer sorry for that:

    She appologised for bringing me there and said she was aware i would be nervous. I told her in no uncertain terms that it was wrong and would set my condition back including my therapy. She said she appreciated that (admission aahhh – they need to be careful).

    I asked for a copy of the questions she would be asking (you have a right to these, though they do not provide them – they are to do with you after all) I wanted to make her feel as uncomfortable as I did, so ask for a copy it is your right.

    Before I go on I will say I did not take notes or take anyone in with me, my son sat outside – I suffer with a photographic memory which makes my life impossibly hard at times.

    I have read your form and updated myself with your conditions she said.

    She asked me if I am currently seeing outside professionals and who they were – I explained I am by way of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, she asked if my Dr was treating my condition gently, I explained I do what my Dr suggests as I am not medically trained. She wanted to know how often I see my Dr – again this is something that I wrote on my original form (see below). I was asked when I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and by who. I told her it was a specialist roughly two years ago. She then asked me when I last worked almost to the exact date and counted the months on her fingers – for me it was just over a year ago. Then it went on as follows:

    1 Tell me about your depression and how it affects you?
    2 Do you cry a lot? (I gather this was checking up from what I had said months previous on the form) (good idea to photocopy your form before sending back take a copy with you, and make notes of what is asked of you – take someone in with you to take notes if you can’t.) (A law thing)
    3 How else does it affect you?
    I don’t want to talk about the Fibromyalgia I will come to that……..

    4 Then a question that should never be asked by anyone other than a complete professional ….. “Have you tried to kill yourself”?
    5 How often a week do you think about killing yourself?
    6 How often a day do you think about killing yourself?
    7 How often would you say you would like to kill yourself?
    8 What stops you killing yourself? (When did you try to kill yourself and how?)

    This just takes you back to a bad place…. TRAINED MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS WHO ARE EXPERTS SHOULD ONLY TACKLE THESE QUESTIONS – A NURSE IS NOT A FULLY TRAINED PRACTITIONER – it is a well known fact that these questions trigger negative thought processes and can lead to you harming yourself – I know how it made me feel and I am struggling.

    9 What tablets do you take?

    (I took proof as in the empty boxes which showed they were all up to date and in date) I gave her the antidepressants, sleeping tablets, pain killers, calcium for the bones, tablets to compensate for what the pain killers do to you. She tapped two fingered away at the computer.

    10 Can you dress yourself?
    11 What accommodation do you live in? Is it a flat or a house?
    12 Do you have stairs?
    13 How do you manage the stairs?
    14 How often do you go up and down the stairs?
    (to this I replied I have a downstairs toilet so once down do not need to go up very much)
    15 Do you live on your own ?
    16 How do you manage your day?
    17 Do you get out of bed?
    18 How often do you stay in bed?
    19 What time do you go to bed?
    20 What time do you get up?
    21 Do you dress yourself?
    22 How often do you wash yourself or have a bath or shower?
    (I told her I have a walk in shower)
    22 Does someone help you dress?
    I explained that I can dress but it causes me pain to bend and put my shoes on and dress etc..
    23 How often do you go out?
    I told her I did not as I did not want to.
    24 How long did it take me to get there?
    25 How did I get there?
    26 Who drove me?
    27 How often do I drive?
    I have an automatic car but failed to tell her this. At this point I got slightly angry and informed her I am not in the habit of writing down how many times I leave my house, who is with me etc – these questions make you feel very angry again not good for depression sufferers.
    28 How far can I walk
    29 How long do I walk for 2 – 3 mins – 5 mins or 20 mins (she was keen at this point to try to put words in my mouth by saying 20 mins or more – stick to your guns – you know what you can do)
    30 Do I let people in to my house (what is the purpose of this question?)
    I asked her to elaborate on that she said “people to fix your boiler or visitors” – I am a little reclusive and I said “no my son deals with all of that”
    31 Do you go out (a twisted repeated question).
    I said I do – I go out to visit my therapist
    32 How long does it take me to drive there again she insisted – what 20 minutes?
    I said no it takes 5 – 10 minutes at the longest.
    33 What do you do if your son is not there to answer the door?
    I said I don’t answer it
    34 What if we came to visit you what would you do then? (this is what we call a leading question it is a trap – designed to get you to say “I would have to let you in” your brain is automatically telling you, you would have to let them in because they give you your money. If you are capable of going to your door then, you are capable at any time (you get the jist..). If you can’t open your door when someone is there – then you can’t open you door when someone is not – in any event and legally anyone who is not invited to your door is trespassing and you can call the Police (slightly different for the postman).
    35 What do you do if you meet people out?
    36 What do you do if they say hello to you? Do you ignore them and walk away – (I said this is a tricky subject with me and something my therapist is helping me to deal with) From someone who has helped people I now shy away and don’t want to meet anyone (panic, extreme anxiety closes in).
    37 How long can I stand? – 2-3 minutes, 5 mins, etc.
    38 How long can I sit before being fidgety 2-3 mins – 5 mins etc. Then trying to put words in my mouth she said an hour, I corrected her and said no 2-3 mins.
    39 How long can you sit and watch a film for at home (leading question again – you are home so you tend to think of a comfortable chair and relaxing space) again I corrected her and said no way less than 3 minutes which is true.
    40 Do I walk to the shops, I must walk to the shops.!! (Words in my mouth – I don’t walk to my shops I could not walk that far I live in the country) I repeated again that my son helps me and if I need something he gets it and i have my shopping delivered (thank God for Home Delivery)!!

    Questions ended and she explained that she needed now to carry out an examination which is nothing like the examination your Dr will do we don’t twist limbs etc!!!

    I was asked to stand put my chin to my shoulders, my arms out straight in front, over my head, at my side. I then had to put her arms up left and right, I explained all this I could do but it caused me shoulder pain. She then wanted me to bend my arms and put my index finger to my thumb, I told her I would not as it would hurt too much. She then wanted me to bend over and touch my toes, I said I could not it would hurt too much. She then wanted me to get to bend to the floor I said I could not and did not. Then I was asked to get on the bed by way of a stool lie back and bend my knees, I did my right but not my left as this caused too much pain, she then said and acknowledged it was my left side that was weak, which I agreed. I then had to ask to get off the bed as my back was getting very painful.

    Interview concluded, I did not let her go and pressed her as to how difficult life was for me and how painful, I explained in great detail the pain I felt and how at 46 I should not feel like an 86 year old. I know she had other people waiting but I wanted to make sure she was aware of how hard life was.

    She ended by apologising again for bringing me out and saying that she hoped my therapy would help me I told her Fibromyalgia does not go away it is with you for life and how excruciatingly painful it was She agreed and again said she was sorry, I would hear in 3-4 weeks and she was sorry for the stress it was likely to cause me, why should she worry she has a job which pays her well no doubt, how cushy a number has she?. I limped my way out of her office and gazed upon two more beings awaiting their fate and endless questions.

    All I can say to anyone who has that extreme fear in them right now is this… you know you are going to get chucked off the system no matter how ill or what your problems are – I know it will happen to me – self diagnosis – keep them talking don’t let them have an easy job and ask them to elaborate on every question (this actually can tongue tie and stumble) take your time to answer it and think “is this leading me somewhere?” you are told you will be there up to 60 minutes – however, you are entitled to YOUR TIME and you have no time limit after all you are unwell and this is about you, the Government are bastards no matter what party. They are like court rooms full of lies.

    My so called Medical Assessment has left me feeling like shit, it has left me questioning my life and wondering why I am trying to get better and seek help, it has also made me feel even more worthless than before, months of trying to improve gone in minutes. Worked in law all my life, vast knowledge etc all to waste. I just hope this may help someone understand and at least have some insight into what you may be asked, what to expect and how to tackle the situation.

    Comment by Mrs R — May 17, 2012 @ 10:47 am

  174. you cannot tackle the situation no matter how ill you are , you are nobody and just a piece of meat to these bastards they get a nice pay packet to humiliate you , make you feel worthless and just degrade you the last 3 days i have sat here with all my pills just wanting so desperately to get out of this shitty life of pain , i am in so much debt because my wife works for minimum wage and gets tax credits i cannot claim any money , i have to pay for prescriptions well wife does i needed emergency treatment on my teeth i had to sell my wedding ring to pay for that , i now have nothing left but this old computer to sell might get £20.00 for it , if this is my life for god knows how many years i might as well be dead

    Comment by dave — May 17, 2012 @ 11:30 am

  175. Hello Mrs R.

    You do have a remarkable memory if you can remember all that, anyway let’s see what happens when the DWP send you a letter, if it has a complete absence of delight then there are ways forward, but no matter what happens make sure you ask the DWP for the ESA 85 assessment report, at the moment they are sending what’s called ESA 65s instead, this is just a condensed version of the ESA 85 and they hope we will just accept it, as I said make sure you get that ESA 85 and see what the HCP said about you.
    If you need to appeal then the information on there will help you, on the other hand if you don’t need to appeal then you have a record from ATOS themselves which can only be in your favour.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 17, 2012 @ 1:38 pm

  176. I can only sympathise and agree with you Dave, the welfare reforms as far as I’m concerned are a crime against the people of Britain, we (And the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org) have tried our best over the last three years to warn everyone what was happening and what was coming, but few people listened and as each day went by we could only watch as people just sleepwalked right in to Auschwitz, on the train smiling and laughing as if they are all going to a holiday camp.
    I can tell you Dave for us it’s been a heartbreaking three years watching this and tried to help people (And still do) in all that time as best as we can.
    Take care and don’t do anything daft, we are in the same boat as you, and you can come on here anytime you like..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 17, 2012 @ 1:50 pm

  177. talking to a freind of mine the other night who has first hand knowledge of ATOS
    told me about one person who went for an assessment
    his letter came back stating
    he no longer feels extreme pain on walking
    omitted to say he can no longer walk as has had both legs amputated
    so not actually a lie but shows how things can be turned around against you

    Comment by june — May 18, 2012 @ 11:11 am

  178. Hello June.

    Nothing surprises me anymore with that mob, they put on my ESA 85 once that ”I CAN OPERATE AN ALARM CLOCK WITH THE HELP OF ANOTHER PERSON” absolutely shocking..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 18, 2012 @ 2:14 pm

  179. Hi
    I have been on incapacity benefit for about 10 years for depression i had an assessment on 7th march this year (the last one being about 3/4 years ago) my assessment lasted approx 10 mins i was asked
    1 what medication i was on ( i am on a very high dose of anti-depressent )
    2 how did i get there ( i went on the bus with a friend as i gave up driving some years ago )
    3 where was my friend now and how long was the journey ( my friend had gone to do some shopping as we both thought i would be a while and the bus takes 10 mins
    4 how do i do my shopping ( on line)
    5 can i dress myself ( yes when i can be bothered i am not physically disabled)
    6 have i ever thought of killing myself ( yes)
    7 what stops you ( my children ) she then tried to make a joke about this saying thats what most women say
    8 did you attend your daughters last parent evening ( no )
    9 how many of your daughters parents evenings have you attended ( at this point i burst into tears as i have not been able to for years she carried on with her typing)
    then that was it end of assessment.
    As yet i have still not heard anything from them how long should it take it has been almost 13 weeks although i want to know i dont want to ring just incase by some miracle i have slipped though the net.
    I also want to say that i am a trained pyschiatric nurse and worked as one for 20 years and at one point was a ward sister and if any of my staff had shown such little compassion and as little a caring nataure as these so called hpw i would have had them off my ward quicker then they could have said assessment. In fact it is an insult to everyone under-going this to use the term assessment as these are not assessments it is just a “can you” “do you” game

    Comment by leslee lawson — June 5, 2012 @ 12:09 am

  180. Hello Leslee.

    It’s to assess how they can plot to get you off sickness benefits by hook or by crook, they do get a bonus for every person they can inform the DWP are fit for work, at present it’s not clear how their bonus system is paid, is it paid by customer, or so many per day or week, what is clear is that their bonus system is very persuasive, some of them even work Sundays, I wonder if the bonus system is double time for a Sunday ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 5, 2012 @ 6:45 am

  181. WOOOOOW just finally had my desicion after nearly 7months of waiting and the atos report going back to the so called doctor 3 times to be amended..they gave me high rate mobility..but low rate care???? when my wife has to do basically everything for me..they had to stitch me some how..oh well off to tribunal

    Comment by alan — June 6, 2012 @ 7:19 pm

  182. I had a medical and have been put in the Employment and Support Group, I was then sent a letter on a friday to meet with my advisor for the following friday. having a very distressed call with my Advisor he at the last minute told me he will not be interviewing me and gave me the name of the woman who will be, i did not request this i just requested a week to prospone untill i recive my medical assesment form.
    on day of the 1hour interview i was left crying in the waiting area, staff ither stared at me or walked right passed me, i was left sobbing for 11 mins at the fime it felt like hours, now i recorded this interview because i knew it was going to be intense. i had no idea it would be like a monotone robot trying to brainwash me.
    i am positive there have been several laws broken in this interview, but because i didnt mention i was recording i dnt know what i can do. i have no1 to help me get through this. she gave me the silent treatment because i was crying she lied to me she said she heard things about me quickly changed to miss-read about me because i was confused about the statement she then shouted at me twice because i was crying. i dont want to post this recording anywhere for all to see because it is upsetting, but i feel like i need to share this n show whats realy going on. i am stuck on what to do through fear!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 16, 2012 @ 9:22 pm

  183. contact your local welfare rights team tell them all you can get to see one of them they will steer you into the right course about your rights

    Comment by dave — June 16, 2012 @ 9:26 pm

  184. I had my medical assement done a few days ago by a so-called nurse, who refused to read the info i had provided about my illness, when i tried to tell her she said she was not a counsellor and sometimes would only let me answer yes or no and felt i was being bullied, i went away feel distressed as i was not able to give all the information i needed about my illness

    Comment by jacqueline Thomas — June 22, 2012 @ 10:43 pm

  185. That’s normal for ATOS Jacqueline, they never read any medical evidence we provide them with, it’s all a farce and a con.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 22, 2012 @ 10:49 pm

  186. You really need to act like a politician when dealing with ATOS when they are asked questions that a person would like a one word answer too, like yes or no, they go off in another direction but try and make it look like they are keeping on the subject, this is what should be done with ATOS HCP’s.
    If all the HCP allowed was a yes or no answer in some of the questions then get a copy of the ESA85 with the decision makers scoresheet, you can bet that where you were forced to answer only yes or no the HCP has added their version of an answer, if this is after the phrase CLAIMANT STATES: then if you are found fit for work this would be a good point to start as a reason for an appeal and a complaint to both ATOS & DWP.

    The decision makers score sheet is filled in by the HCP when they do the interrogation, the HCP points are in print, the DM scores are in pen, so don’t let them tell you it isn’t completed as it seems to be rare for the DM to alter the score given by the HCP

    Comment by wildthing666 — June 23, 2012 @ 9:23 am

  187. Jacqueline..184…
    I sympathise with you Immensely on your comments with this issue
    Atos are making a total Mockery of the DWP Examination Procedure.
    There is no sincerity whatsoever.Questions are designed probably by a German Professor to mislead you and confuse you
    I recently attended a medical in May 2012 having been mentally ill for a good number of years.
    I am taking and am dependant on 4 different prescribed Medicines & Tablets…
    I was accompanied to the medical in Manchester as I am very uncomfortable going out on my own.
    The medical was a Barrage of Futile Questions,very few of which were really relevant to my Illness…
    It has been a good few years now since my last medical with the DWP.
    Considering my Illness has got Significantly worse since I got the 15 Points a number of years ago this seems like a Criminal offence by the Examination Body…..
    Shame to all the Staff at ATOS & THE DWP WHO KNOWINGLY TWIST AND FUDGE THE INFORMATION TO LOWER THE STATISTICS…..How do they sleep at Night….Hope their Consciences eat them up…Read Number 173 for a typical List of the Questions you will be asked..
    Any advice from folk who read this would be Hugely appreciated.
    Are there any Bodies that can help with my appeal…Whats the best Procedure please….
    Will be posting more information on this FIASCO of a Sysyem

    Comment by Marvin — June 23, 2012 @ 2:48 pm

  188. Hello Marvin.

    Get in touch with your nearest welfare right or CAB, they will help you through this.
    And at the same time, get a GL24 appeal form from the Job centre plus, just walk in and ask, tell the receptionist that you are appealing an unfit for work decision and you would like the appeal form please, they usually give you one no problem.

    Also write a letter to the DWP and give them notice you are appealing and attache a sick note on the letter and explain that you would like to be paid the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard.

    The chances are you do not have the ESA 85 medical report, that’s the report that the ATOS quack wrote about you and is what the decision maker based their unfit for work decision on, if you haven’t received it then also ask for that as well.
    They usually send a condensed version instead, it’s only a couple of pages, well that is not the ESA 85, make sure you get the ESA 85, you need to see what it says, so that you know what you are appealing against.

    Go to the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org they can help as well, they will keep you on the correct path.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 24, 2012 @ 1:42 am

  189. Just a Message
    Will a Doctors Note Bolster an Appeal….
    Readers,Listeners,please Jot down a List of Ammunition you need for the Appeal
    Best wishes..Mrs J.W.A

    Comment by Marvin — June 24, 2012 @ 5:35 pm

  190. Thanks for that useful post Marvin
    I too require a Methodical list of necessary things to do

    Comment by JULIA — June 24, 2012 @ 5:38 pm

  191. Gang

    Some stuff you will need for the ATOS medical appeal……..

    1.Supplementary Letter from you GP to add plenty of weight to the appeal.
    2.A Valid sick note sent in before your last incapacity benefit payment..
    3.Be sure to photo copy every document including sick notes prior to despatching anything
    4.Any medical reports will be helpful
    5.Take a tape recorder to the medical..Dictaphone…It provides useful evidence of the Verbals..
    6.Get the medical arranged for you in your home…..


    Comment by Anonymous — July 11, 2012 @ 10:05 pm

  192. Hello all, Although I have been through the ATOS ‘system’ once and scraped through before the latest incarnation triggered I have just had my ‘health assessment’ this weak and found it to be one of the most degrading, disrespectful brutal experiences I have had for some time. I felt processed, interrogated disrespected (there’s that word again) hurried pressured all by someone that’s credentials that I am sure if I look into them are questionable as even the examination seemed by the numbers and I did not really get the feeling there was much of a medical background there. I fully expect the decision to come back as negative and the fact that I have found ways to navigate and manage my decision whilst still have days that knock all that out and am trying to rebuild my life after many year on long term sickness counted for nought. The individual that was in the room with me is a professional within the public sector and felt that after being in many of these assessments as part of their job felt that what I endured was the roughest they have seen. To say I was in a downward spiral after it was an understatement and my stress levels soared to a point where my pain has gone through the roof. What they don’t know about me and my background before being signed off work years ago is that I am PR trained (at quite a level), and have worked with lawyers in relation to what I do and have access to competition lawyers etc and even now although I take no wage when I am having a good street advise others within my former industry and other areas to essentially keep the relationships I nurtured live so at some point if I am able to return to work in whatever form that takes I am not starting from the bottom of the heap again although significant work absences even with existent relationships are not positive especially if their is a mental health component. As I ave just had the assessment I am awaiting the Sword of Damocles to fall and am arming myself with all the information I can to appeal but alongside that I am also looking to use my knowledge, skills and network to bring the fight to ATOS, hearing some of the stories here I am sure there is a human rights element to this nasty little entity and I’m going to have a quiet word with a lawyer friend and see what there thoughts are on it. Likewise I part of PR and Counter PR training is knowing where to find stuff others don’t reach so I am going to do some digging to compile a portfolio to reference for further activity. I am also researching the various outlets, magazines etc that may be interested in knowing more about what is going on with ATOS, their true reason for being empowered and the collateral damage they are leaving in their wake. I have laser focus as part of what I used to do and on my lucid days am still a potent force despite my pain and issues and it is great to see a site such as this informing and championing people and I am happy to add my skills and experience into the mix.

    Comment by Jonathon — July 14, 2012 @ 1:17 am

  193. OK I am currently looking into Representative Action, Group Litigation Orders and Class/ Group Action and how the human rights issue ties into that, I am not legally trained but my knowledge can take me so far and that can be supported by friends and former colleagues, relationships within the US and UK especially considering Unum had a class action brought against them in the US and they are the advisors to the government and by proxy the good ole DWP regarding the Private French owned ATOS, and the £100 million contract, so in the most basic of legal terms there is precedence. So it is a case of following the money and the genealogy of ATOS and Unum and putting enough pressure on those ties that the UK government/ DWP would have to disassociate and that would in turn lead to breach by terms of the contract agreement between ATOS and the government with Unum caught up within their somehow. R.E. the human rights element still trying to work out how to mobilise that but the personal accounts and profiling the actions of ATOS/ DWP and how they tie into Eugenics is a good starting place. Please respond and add to this or if the moderators feel it is pertinent start a new thread to explore this further as this is just with rudimentary research so I am sure people can add, suggest other elements, smack down what I have written here, tell their own story in relation to the above. Petitions etc are all very well and show there is a level of support but they are rarely acknowledged as it is the court of public opinion and the Daily Mail, Telegraph etc seem to propagate the spin issued directly from the government, but the one thing about spin and PR is it is a two way street and most spin doctors and PR at that level are arrogant or try to be to clever and that is where leave the most interesting of footprints.

    Comment by Jonathon — July 14, 2012 @ 2:13 am

  194. Hi Jonathon.

    Yes your right there, spin and PR definitely is a two way street as Brendan O’Neill of the Telegraph found out last week, he has been keeping his head down since, we haven’t heard a word from him.
    Anyway you could do us a favour, and all you other good folks who visit this site and log in to our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org the only site in Britain who tells it like it is and allows free speech.

    Except of course if you are an apologist for the DWP, ATOS or this corrupt Government, people like that are not, and will not be tolerated.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 14, 2012 @ 2:33 am

  195. went to tribunal for DLA and was asked questions by the doctor about my walking told him i am in immense pain just getting from my bed to my en suite[6 foot] i am housebound and only go out with my wife on a thursday for a meal and friday to tesco where i sit on a chair as soon as i feel pain,my spine fusion which i had in march 2012 seems to have gone wrong and i am having another MRI scan to see if more surgery is needed iam in constant pain but they refused my appeal.My wife dresses all of my lower half i cannot cook because of my pain and my knees giving away it is too dangerous and i make myself 2 cups of tea and let my dog out just to stretch myself from sitting down all day the lady dealing with the care side of DLA asked could i lift an egg out of a pan of water and if my wife handed me 3 spuds could i peel them i said yes even though i cannot cook a meal for myself result low level care was refused.It is all a joke to them.Tomorrow i have my industrial injuries appeal for an accident i had in 1995 landing very heavy on to my cocsyx which i blame for my spine issues they tell me the accident could not have caused my osteoarthritus/degenerative disc disease where as spine experts on the web say that a trauma can cause these problems which will surface after a number of years gradually since my accident i have got worse until i could take no more hence my major spine surgery this year ,gonna be interesting at this tribunal,but not holding out much hope because of the system.MY esa finishes next month but iv been told i can claim jobseekers even though noone will employ me because of my problems with my health wonder how long i can claim that for

    Comment by philip westerman — July 31, 2012 @ 7:39 pm

  196. They are refusing just about everyone for any kind of DLA Phillip, it’s a disgrace, and shows the appeal panels are not as impartial as some people think..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 31, 2012 @ 8:27 pm

  197. well hopefully after the 2 programmes on telly this week people will stand up and notice

    Comment by philip westerman — August 1, 2012 @ 7:05 pm

  198. Let’s hope so Philip, if not then we know where we stand.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 1, 2012 @ 7:16 pm

  199. last week i had DLA tribunal and lost it,monday i had industrial injuries tribunal and today i have had letter saying i have won my appeal and they say i am 14% disabled for life ,so i have had 3 tribunals and beat atos 2–1 ,so now reapply for DLA and hopefully win they will now see with my disability that i should have DLA and that the ESA will put me in the support group from now on ,so i hope everyone will when they are failed ,appeal to a tribunal and hopefully have the same luck that i have had ,i went to citezens advice and they have really helped my case

    Comment by philip westerman — August 3, 2012 @ 3:00 pm

  200. Hi Phillip.

    Just because one has lost an appeal doesn’t mean we can’t try again, the tribunal panels are all different and have different agendas, some are really strict and interpret the rules to suit their own agenda and some are truly impartial and look at each case individually, which panel one gets is in the lap of the gods.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 3, 2012 @ 4:18 pm

  201. Hi only just got to know about this. My friend has an assessment in the next few days and I am going with her. She has multiple problems and we have got some written evidence and also asked for the interview to be recorded. One of her problems is anxiety and panic attacks which often cause her to cancel appointments. I am asking just in case, what happens if on the day she cannot face coming out of the house to the assessment, or if she gets there, what would happen if she was unable to cope with the assessment and possibly refuses to carry on with it and wants to go home. HOW WILL THIS AFFECT THE FUTURE? I should have asked for a home visit but she does not like strangers in her house which to be honest is in a filthy state because she is unable to really look after herself.

    Comment by Anonymous — August 9, 2012 @ 9:30 am

  202. Hello Anonymous.

    If your friend refuses to be assessed for entitlement to benefits as in not turning up for the appointment, then ATOS will inform the DWP immediately and all her benefits will stop.

    If she turns up and is in the middle of being assessed and it appears to the HCP (Health care professional) that she cannot cope with the assessment then it will depend on what the HCP says to the DWP decision maker.

    She/he could lie and say she was refusing to be assessed or on the other hand could say she was unfit to be assessed, which one all depends on how convinced the HCP is to the state of her mental health.
    But there is going to be a recording (Make sure it is recorded) and that can only help her not them.

    But no matter what happens there is a right to appeal and the panel will decide if she has the right to be entitled to benefits.

    Keep us informed on what happens please..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 9, 2012 @ 10:05 am

  203. i have scolios and suffer pain at all times , im due an assessment will doctors letters and one from my consultant make any difference .

    Comment by Anonymous — August 13, 2012 @ 2:47 pm

  204. Hello Anonymous.

    It’s been our experience and the experience of thousands of people on this Blog and on our sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org that presenting any kind of medical evidence to ATOS and later at the reconsideration level is necessary but on the other hand fruitless.
    It’s necessary because when it comes to an appeal it’s best to demonstrate to the appeal panel that you have at least shown supporting medical evidence to ATOS and later on the DWP decision maker that proves you are unfit for work.

    For too long the DWP spokesmen and woman have been banging on about the high rate of successful appeals, and they claim the reason for this is that appellants are producing medical evidence after the assessment to show to the appeal panels.
    Whilst this is true in a small number of cases, the real truth is that any medical evidence shown at the time of the ATOS assessment and later on to the DWP decision maker is paid lip service too and then discarded.

    Which leads me to the real reason for ATOS/DWP reluctance to read any ones medical records, which is that ”IT’S ALL A CON” it’s an assessment of jack shit, they are told to deliberately find 86% fit for work, if they have the audacity to find 20% unfit for work then the assessor is carpeted, and asked why he/she is not pulling their weight, why they are letting the team down etc.

    So unless you are a head on a cushion or you are just pure jammy, then forget about being found unfit for work by ATOS healthcare.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 13, 2012 @ 5:24 pm

  205. that’s good then I have an assessment on wednesday with letters from a Consultant brain surgeon and a Consultant Neuro Psychologist but you are absolutely right as I’ve been through this before twice, and the assessment score zero 5 months after brain surgery life support etc etc. the letters/reports only came into fruition at the appeal stage, so yet again on wednesday when I say yes to being able to lift empty cardboard boxes and can I put my hand on my head I will get zero again hooray ,when when is this all going to bite the government in the back-side!!

    Comment by Neil — August 13, 2012 @ 8:13 pm

  206. The decision maker phoned my friend up once, around a week after an assessment and informed her that she had zero points and tried to talk her in to not appealing, after she insisted that she would like to carry on with the appeal anyway because she believed she can win, the decision maker finished the conversation by saying ‘Very well I will send you on your ESA 85, but I do hope you found our assessment refreshing ?’ along with a hyena type screech.
    she replied ”NO I DID NOT FIND YOUR ASSESSMENT REFRESHING” it was anything but…refreshing.
    Jokers…surely they’re having a laugh..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 13, 2012 @ 10:09 pm

  207. Hi all. I have been reading this thread since… receiving my appointment with ‘Atos’. After years of mental health problems, I was deemed fit for work in 2008. I was a bit better than I had been over the years. I had been in and out of hospitals, sectioned and more. I lost my only child years ago and It broke me. I lost 10 years of memory, due to the amount of medication that was pumped into me, to keep me safe. Suicide was a weekly event.

    In September 2011, I went onto a course..for Mc Donalds. I work two week no pay…with the hope for a job at the end. I got the job and was thrilled. I was also told that by day two MC d’s knew I was going to be taken on! <>>
    I worked my arse off..I travelled 2 hours daily as well as my 8 hour working shift. I got bullied, shouted at, told to go faster… consistently shouting and rushing me. On the morning of Novemeber 11….I had a major panick on the bridge near MCD’s…walked into work, lost the plot and was told to go home. I went direct to my GP…signed of.

    I was paid statutory sick pay by MCD’s for 28 weeks. I had a meeting with my boss and showed him the report from my doctors and my detailed take of incidents that happened.

    I had my atos ‘you can’ or you can’t interview. I was a mess!!! I hid in the corner of the waiting room petrified, angry, and panicky.
    The receptionist was asked by the ‘doctor’ to sit in….I was asked questions…do you use facebook, do you use a phone. I was a sniffling wreck. My head ponding and more.

    I took letters both from my Psychiatrist and my CPN. I’m panicking, frighten. I’ve only just got my home together after being homeless due to domestic violence…I lost everything I owned.

    I’ve not heard anything as yet. I feel sick to the stomach as I don’t know how to cope going through a tribunal etc.

    I’m on the scrapheap and feel as though I have nothing to offer the world or myself and the bridge near me seems very appealing :-( :-(

    Comment by Dm — August 14, 2012 @ 2:18 pm

  208. Hello DM.

    I’m wondering why your worrying about something you have no control over ? you haven’t had the ATOS result yet and you are worrying.

    The best way to look at things is to say to yourself Ok I might be in the same boat as everyone else and be found fit for work, so that’s the very worst that can happen, so if it does happen then what am I going to do about it ?.

    Remember that’s the very worst that can happen, it can’t get any worse, and when you start to see it’s not all doom and gloom you can think better and realise that an appeal is the way to go because there are lots of advantages and no disadvantages by appealing.

    So what are the advantages ? well you get your rent and council tax paid, you also get some money to live on (No worse than anyone else who is unemployed) and you get a chance to win your appeal and prove them wrong, don’t forget it takes around 9 months for an appeal to be heard and a lot can happen politically by that time, you might even feel better by the time the appeal is heard.
    And if you really were unfortunate and happen to lose the appeal then you can re-apply for Employment and support allowance again, so you see, there’s hope and light at the end of the tunnel.
    You can even log in here to the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org and get lots of help as well, help from people who have been in worse situations than you and I and got through it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 14, 2012 @ 3:33 pm

  209. dwpexamination

    I have read every post on here and I’m horrified by the cruelty that people worse than me have faced. My heart goes out to every one of you.

    Thank you for your response….however…I still see no light…only the fact that light will get darker before it gets brighter.

    I should be grateful I can physically move.

    Comment by Dm — August 14, 2012 @ 4:10 pm

  210. Well Dm…I remember I was the passenger in a car, and I was complaining to my friend (Who was driving) about how depressed I was that day, (by sheer coincidence we just happened to be passing by the Linn graveyard and crematorium in South east Glasgow) he said REALLY ? and pointed to the graveyard, just about anyone in there will swap with you if you like.

    I took his point, and mentally declined the offer.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 14, 2012 @ 6:31 pm

  211. Dwp…

    Yes I see what you mean.
    On reflection this afternoon, I sat gazing into space and from my reflections, Once I’m strong enough (and I will be one day)…my intentions is to help disabled people..in any way I can. I may need to train but after reading and researching…my decision is made.

    I’ll keep you updated with how things go.

    Thanks again.

    Comment by Dm — August 14, 2012 @ 8:03 pm

  212. Atos can fuck right off

    Comment by Helen Gattie — August 17, 2012 @ 1:41 pm

  213. ATOS does NOT consult th specialists that GP’s get the information from to sign someone off.. This is CRAZY. If my GP has to receive specialist advice to make thier decision to sign me off, how can an ATOS “doctor” be qualififed to overturn this decision – even though they never spoke to the specialist ???? This is a complete JOKE.

    Comment by Anonymous — August 28, 2012 @ 2:38 pm

  214. Let me see now Anonymous, em er I don’t know how to tell you this, but they are trying to deny your benefits, so why would they contact your consultant ? especially when they already know what the consultant is going to say ?.

    So can you tell me any reason whatsoever why they would want to contact your consultant ?. Maybe you know something (A secret) I don’t, because I’m not seeing it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 28, 2012 @ 4:01 pm

  215. I got the results of my ATOS ‘medical’ from DWP, said I had 6 points only.
    Went to CAB this week and they went through the paper-work sent by DWP (I was too depressed to understand it) and it turns out that the ATOS GP gave me 12 points but DWP reduced it to 6 points.
    So even DWP are saying their medical examiners aren’t fit for the job…
    2 weeks before I got the ESA result I had been awarded low rate care DLA, they stopped this and said I may have to repay the arrears (used to pay bills). Can they do this? I was awarded the DLA indefinately for what I cannot do. ESA is supposed to be based on what they decide we can do (even when we clearly can’t) Can they make me repay the DLA or are they trying to scare me? CAB are helping and local MP is bringing this issue* up in Parliament and with DWP.
    * Issue of whether they can stop DLA because of a failed ESA medical.
    Has anyone else had ESA medical points reduced by DWP?

    Comment by CJ — September 1, 2012 @ 11:44 am

  216. Hi All,
    not been on here before but find the reading pretty accurate. I had an \”assessment\” last month (aug 2012) and the first question I was asked by the judge was \”Have you got a letter of support from your doctor?\” I said no and the reason I don\’t have one is because I went to my doctor and told him about the tribunal, told him I was very depressed again and was feeling desperate, and asked him for a letter to support me at this tribunal. He said \”I can\’t do it, …. I can\’t give you a letter of support\”. I asked him why not, and he said this… \”I have been told by the DWP not to get involved, and not to write letters of support for people attending atos tribunals…. and then went on to say… \”and I don\’t want to upset the DWP as they will be paying my pension\”. The following day the DLA man was at my home helping my wife with her forms when the phone rang. \”Hello it\’s Dr ****, I just want to say that I refuse to write you a letter of support, and if you hassle me then I will strike you off as a patient\”, then he put the phone down. So, the judge ordered him to send the records to her, which he did, and said in the letter \”I am pleased to send copies of my patients records for the tribunal\” … I now have a copy of those notes thanks to the judge, and on them it states in black and white that the Dr WAS told by the DWP not to help claimants with letters of support. I have another tribunal date this month so we will see what happens…

    Comment by mzuzuman — September 6, 2012 @ 7:39 pm

  217. Hello Mzuzman.

    The DWP sent your GP a letter saying ”Not to write letters of support” that’s absolutely shocking.
    Mzuzman…Its imperative you tell your MP about this, even if your MP is a Tory, you can write on there that this is a criminal act, this is a clear attempt by the DWP to stop you from having a fair appeal hearing.
    You have the proof, you are entitled to a copy of those notes, re-copy and send it to your MP along with a letter requesting something is done about this.
    Meanwhile consider moving to another surgery, you don’t need to tell your GP you are leaving, you can just get another Doctor, and make up some excuse, don’t put up with it.

    Could you please go here to the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org think up a username and tell the members about this, once they know this is really happening then they can start asking questions from their MPs, questions like ”Is this the DWPs new policy, to demand GPs refuse a letter explaining a patients health conditions.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 6, 2012 @ 8:39 pm

  218. Hi, ATOS BEHAVIOUR GENERALLY AND ALSO: RECORDING OF INTERVIEWS. Saw the government committee meeting on BBC TV (in full the other night, early am) Many MPs raising questions re:Atos. Couldn’t find copy of TV prog. on BBC iplayer, but did find this


    If this is a straight recording of the committee meeting, it includes many accounts raised by MPs of Atos’ treatment (or more correctly, mis treatment) of claiments, and asking Chris Grayling for explanations etc.Needless to say, Mr Grayling’s answers were very general etc. but Chris Grayling did explain that Atos is supposed to provide recording equipment, if requested by the claimant, which will provide two identical recordings at the same time, of an interviw, One recording to be kept by Atos, the other by the person being interviewed. Problem: Atos does not have enough ‘duel’ recorders, more are on order. However, if you can get hold of your own equipment, ie a duel tape recorder and two (new? tapes), Chris Grayling said that ‘claimants are allowed to bring this to the interview with them, and record the interview.’ I wonder if Citizens Advice, or other charities, might be able to suggest where this equipement might be borrowed for a short period?

    Comment by A. Bruist — September 11, 2012 @ 1:20 pm

  219. Or where a person on benefits would get the money to afford to waste on a double tape machine, one of a professional standard, Grayling is a clown without a red nose.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 11, 2012 @ 3:13 pm

  220. i would like to know if anyone knows if sleep apnea would be classed as a disability in a claim for a benefit .thanks all

    Comment by philip westerman — September 13, 2012 @ 6:41 pm

  221. According to this site it is! http://www.britishsnoring.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1325

    Comment by wildthing666 — September 14, 2012 @ 12:02 am

  222. I mean classed as a disability, because with any exercise you may become extremely tired and sitting to rest could mean you may fall asleep. As for the benefits side I am not sure but under DDA it is classed as a disability. try reading this http://www.disabilitysecrets.com/medicine-medication-prescription-drugs-sleep-apnea.html

    Comment by wildthing666 — September 14, 2012 @ 12:11 am

  223. thanks for replying its another thing i can hit them with as iv been tested and found out that i stop breathing 38 times an hour which is classed as severe apnea .so anything that i can hit them with is good

    Comment by philip westerman — September 14, 2012 @ 4:58 pm

  224. Hit them with your rhythm stick Phil.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 14, 2012 @ 6:03 pm

  225. I had a brain haemmorhage caused by an AVM, gamma knife radiosurgery, a craniotomy and then fractured my skull in an accident !!!
    I feel like I’m living the live version of ‘final destination’ but somehow I keep coming back !
    My left side of my body is weak and I’m now a bit clumsy and find it difficult ot concentrate and now it turns out the radiotherapy has destroyed my thyroid resulting in a living hell. No energy, feel like I’m dying and find life in general very challenging…..
    I’ve been to three of these in the past few years only to get kicked off and then, after appeal, get it re-instated.
    I have another one to attend later this week and I’m finding it difficult to grasp the CONCEPT of what they are actually out to achieve.
    BORN with a condition that has nearly killed me several times and being left basically immobilised leaves not much of a future to look forward to.
    What do these morons expect to have changed since the LAST time they ‘reviewed’me ?
    A MIRACLE to have happened and all my ailments to disappear ?
    I’m totally stressed as a result and the anxiety is a pressure I can live, (hah), without.
    I don’t even CLAIM what half the people I know claim, (which ,btw, have not much wrong with them in comparison), and they get the higher rates of DLA !!!!
    I get ONE part, the LOWER part of the mobility and NO care….
    It’s as if I am the one being VICTIMISED for SURVIVING what would usually kill most people.
    The consultant told me that !!!
    So, I drop dea with a brain haemmorhage, THEY bring me back to life in THEIR hospital only to SUBJECT ME to analysis of whether or not I should be in receipt of a pittance of an income only to PERPETUATE a living hell.
    These people are the ones that need a bloody medical assesment !
    A check up from the neck up !
    I just hope I don;t lose the plot…..

    Comment by N.M. — September 16, 2012 @ 5:10 pm

  226. I forgot to mention………memory probs……

    Comment by N.M. — September 16, 2012 @ 5:25 pm

  227. I’m not being funny but when you were brought back to life in the hospital, did you see a brown envelope from the DWP with the contents saying you are fit for work ? that’s actually happened, the chap woke up with an envelope from the DWP in his paw…incredible isn’t it, you couldn’t make it up.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 17, 2012 @ 11:44 am

  228. I have just returned home after a so called Medical performed by Atos in Balham SW London. The lady was very pleasant but I am sure I am well and truly shafted. After spending days ripping myself to pieces filling in their silly form and sending it off on time. She let it slip that she had not seen my form, or read my form at all. I asked her where it was and she said it is probably with job centre plus. I thought ok then and presented her with my photocopy. She didn’t want to read it and when I said that it contained important information about me she just glanced at 2 pages of it. She was more interested in making me do stupid tricks. I gave her one letter from the local hospital, because I had a bad episode of panic on Saturday and another from a different hospital about a heart attack I had suffered and in it it stated that I suffer from chronic depression. She didn’t want to take this one and I had to insist. She didn’t want to see my meds, but I pulled them out anyway. I have phoned the DWP about this and I’m waiting for a call back. If this doesn’t go right I have already told DWP that this alone will be grounds for an appeal. Any comments will be welcome thanks.

    Comment by shunter08 — September 19, 2012 @ 2:11 pm

  229. Follow up, Got a call from DWP Belfast, he said that the assessor was trained to look beyond the form I sent in. I told him that it was grounds for appeal, he said wait the 2 weeks till I get the descision and go from there. Anyway I have told them what is going on and that it will be the DWP that get it in the neck and they will get even more appeals.

    Comment by shunter08 — September 19, 2012 @ 4:47 pm

  230. Hello shunter.

    As soon as you get the bad news, in fact just start writing your appeal notification now, along the lines of,

    Dear Sir/Madam.

    ”I do not agree with your decision to find me fit for work, and I wish to appeal, therefore could you please send me a GL24 appeal form and my ESA85 assessment report, I understand in order to comply with the law and receive the assessment rate I need to supply your office with a sicknote, please find attached to this letter of notification, one sicknote”.

    How you word it is up to you, there are no hard and fast rules, that’s just the main gist, which is, get it across to these people that you are appealing, would like a GL24 form, and have supplied a sicknote and wish to see the ESA85 assessment report in order for you to study it and compose a proper appeal.

    If in a one in a million chance you are found unfit for work then you have lost nothing but a piece of A4 paper.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 19, 2012 @ 5:29 pm

  231. Hi, Thanks for a speedy reply. It is very useful information. It just shows how DWP and Atos are still shafting us. I have had 5 assessments before this and this one has caused me more stress than any of the others. I will fight them all the way. and thanks for being there for us all. We all need support.

    Comment by shunter08 — September 19, 2012 @ 6:07 pm

  232. Cheers shunter.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 20, 2012 @ 5:11 am

  233. Atos Appears To Be A Shortened Version Of Atrocious
    What A Manipulative,Deceitful & Underhand Bunch Of Cretins
    Famous Line By Clint Eastwood
    From The Buddha Of London Town”

    Comment by Anonymous — September 20, 2012 @ 10:15 pm

  234. Being a doctor who works for ATOS I agree and disagree with lots of comments here.
    please please undrestand this is not the doctor who makes decision, decision maker is another person who works for DWP and the doctor or what you call as alleged doctor only is paid to fill out the forms on the computer and do appropriate medical assessment and not to make or influence decision. certainly he/she will write the observations like ….client carries a small bag and has mild difficulties to walk 20m from waiting room… your exmination starts from the minute they call you to the minute you leave the examination centre.
    ATOS is simply a medical examination centre appointed by DWP to prepare standard reports for non medical decision makers in DWP but they have their own criterias or pointing system and if you dont earn 15 points you are not seen eligible for ESA.
    this is tough to say but somebody who can work even afew hour a week is now seen unfit for ESA or even if they cant walk they can propel a wheelchair or if they dont have on functioning upper limb they can use the other one and work.
    if somebody is to blamed for stopping the benefits it is going to be DWP who set the rules.

    Comment by some — September 23, 2012 @ 11:19 am

  235. what a LOAD OF TOSH
    why was i remarked on as not having nicotine stains on my right hand fingers ? when for over 20 years i have had stained fingers on my LEFT HAND ? maybe you docs need spec savers bunch of idiots

    Comment by Anonymous — September 23, 2012 @ 2:02 pm

  236. Hello some.

    Thanks for having the courage for coming on here and expressing your point of view, but I personally don’t agree and I would be surprised if anyone else on here would agree, they are welcome to post their point of view and we will soon see.
    ATOS do in effect make the decision whether a person get’s ESA, the decision maker is a drone and responds only to instructions from the Captain (Iain Duncan Smith) a bit like DATA on the programme Star trek.

    You/they know fine well what you/they are doing is morally wrong and totally repulsive to any right thinking normal person, so my advice to you my friend is to see sense and renounce ATOS, get out of there, as far away from them as possible, because it will not be long before the word ATOS on a (Any) Curriculum Vitae will be anathema to just about anyone interviewing you/them for a future job in the medical profession in this Country.

    And moreover, what in gods name is the point of Employment support allowance if you need to be a head on a cushion to get it ? why not just be flippen honest in the first place and stick everyone on Job seekers allowance and be done with it ? instead of carrying on with this charade of an assessment/s.
    I already know the answer to that my friend and so do you, so don’t come on here and insult our intelligence with that nonsense, you don’t need to worry though, at least for the next few months anyway you will still be getting your bounty hunter type bonus, but one day it is all going to end, that day might come sooner that you think.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 23, 2012 @ 7:07 pm

  237. OK some, then why do you score the ESA85 report before sending it to the DWP for the decision maker to then score the same sheets where the DM can clearly see the scores awarded by the ATOS HCP? This form is called the ESA85 DECISION MAKERS SCORE SHEET! Care to comment?

    Comment by wildthing666 — September 23, 2012 @ 7:09 pm

  238. I am going to get scheduled for an Atos interview soon – I’m happy to work, despite pain and seizures, same as most people. The government just wants a nice political football to play with and it seems to be us. HOWEVER, I intend to give them a fright! I’m recording the interview, taking people with me and releasing the entire procedure via the Green Party. I’m standing for council elections in Durham next year – given a chance for EQUAL OUTCOMES disabled people can do much, the DLA is there to give these equal outcomes so forcing people who need it into poverty is just f**king silly. (Green Paty swears alot, sorry).

    For those of you struggling with appeals now a word of advice – find your local Active Communities Team. They’re a free to use organisation of good, honest people who can help with benefits advice and claims, including fighting against Atos decisions. They’re very good and don’t judge – nice people.

    Good luck to all of us!

    Comment by Jo Yelland - Green Party County Durham — September 24, 2012 @ 6:41 pm

  239. Hi Jo.

    Your object is to get help in to work, that’s what ESA is supposed to be about, help getting in to work, but to attain ESA one has to be almost at deaths door, somethings not quite right here, I’m sure any right thinking person will/would agree.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 24, 2012 @ 7:09 pm

  240. Yes, which is part of my point – the system itself is at fault and is no longer recognising that some people simply cannot work. Also, it does not have the flexibility required for those of us who are able and want to work.

    Once a service, like the Atos example though there are many others, is privatised it becomes viewed solely as a means to make money. Atos use their contract to make money – they don’t pay for their cock-ups but we, the taxpayers and the disabled, do. The government sees it as a way of pushing a politically contentious issue onto third parties and distancing themselves from it whilst also getting a nice political/media football.

    It would cost less if they took advice from the Jobcentre staff and peoples GPs but that would mean the buck would stop squarely with the government.

    The reason I have agreed to go to an Atos assessment, which I can argue my way out of and onto JSA anyways, is I want to try and find out more about what’s going on and try to get some questions answered. The more info we get, the more chance we have to fightback.

    One last thing (as it’s late (for me anyway) and I’m knackered) dwpexamination, thank you. You’ve helped people get in touch with one another and helped to bring this information to light. You’ve also helped do something far more important – this blog has helped people realise that they are not alone. It’s easy to feel that you are in these circumstances as the support network on the government side is so shoddy, so something like this, whether everyone agrees or not, is a boon for alot of people.

    Goodnight all and take care!


    Comment by Jo Yelland - Green Party County Durham — September 24, 2012 @ 8:55 pm

  241. Today I received my decision in writing from DWP (did not get the decision in a phone call). I have been awarded ESA WRAG which is better than I expected. I now have to decide if I want to fight to get in to the support group. I want to see the Atos report and then make my decision. Does anyone know what happens after you have been on ESA WRAG for 365 days. It doesn’t say in the letter.

    Comment by shunter08 — October 8, 2012 @ 7:17 pm

  242. Hello Shunter.

    Depends on whether your own Contributory ESA or Income related ESA, which one are you ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 8, 2012 @ 8:02 pm

  243. Hi dwpexamination The letter says “You are entitled to both contribution based and income based ESA” and that “Contribution based ESA can be paid for a maximum of 365 days”

    Comment by shunter08 — October 8, 2012 @ 8:58 pm

  244. Iv spent 2 yrs fighting for ESA and dla I had a car accedent in 1999 at the age of 18 im now 32 I have a hip replacement I’m waiting to get replaced again 2nd time damaged disks in spine been offerd an oporation but was told there was a 70/30 chance of being paralysed I also have servier arthritis of my left knee I can barely walk I’m in constant pain I have that much medication I’d rattle if u shook me lol anyway about 5 months ago I wen to tribunal for dla and ESA they awarded me 27 points from 6 points atos gave me I now have a motobiliry car to get around but about a month ago I was calld for another medical as its been two yrs since last an my problems have worsend at me medical she said I can see how difficult ur life must be u look in great pain and she said due to my pain she would not be examining me she seems Realy nice an genuine , Had call this morning from ESA 5wks later I’m no longer intitled to ESA I got no points what so ever I’m aparantly fit for work how can they do this Iv been fighting for so long to the point I was so depressed threw it all I try’d to take my life an was under crrysis team HOW CAN THEY SLEEP AT NIGHT !

    Comment by Tony — October 8, 2012 @ 9:01 pm

  245. Hi Shunter.

    Well you want to claim income related ESA then, income related ESA is not time barred, whilst as you know now Contributory ESA work related is time limited to a year, whilst the support group contributory ESA is not time limited.
    Do you think you should be eligible for the support group ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 8, 2012 @ 11:32 pm

  246. They want to force you to appeal Tony, that’s their idea, by the way they can sleep soundly at night no problem so don’t wast time thinking about that.
    So get the GL24 appeal form and the ESA85 assessment report and appeal, make sure you get some help to avoid making mistakes, help like the CAB or welfare rights, you can get help to appeal here at the sister site as well http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 8, 2012 @ 11:37 pm

  247. I got 15 points on an appeal but will still lose my esa in feb, though im appealing again but this is only making my mental health worse
    also i was told i would have to go to group meetings to help me get back to work but they have never materialised unless thats because i was in an appeal
    if the date for my esa comes and im still in appeals do the payments stop ie frozen or do you still get some money
    so worried so stressed out so want to close my eyes and never wake up

    Comment by lottie — October 9, 2012 @ 1:17 pm

  248. Hello Lottie.

    If your on contributory ESA and it ends after 365 days in February, then you will find that your ESA payments will stop on the spot, their advice if you ask what you can do for money is to sign on at Job centre plus.
    So is it possible you may be entitled to income related ESA ? THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS AGAINST CLAIMING FOR INCOME RELATED, if your partner earns £149 or more per week and or you have £16,ooo in the bank then you cannot meet the criteria.
    If in doubt check it out with the CAB.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 9, 2012 @ 3:23 pm

  249. i went for my medical and failed with medical poblems number of 23 and still went to the above and put a complaite in the doctors was no good

    Comment by william mcmellon — October 13, 2012 @ 3:57 pm

  250. I’ve got an ATOS interview tomorrow morning. I’ve got Rheumatoid Arthritis and have problems writing etc etc etc – it should be interesting to see if they let me ‘record’ my meeting seeing as I will be unable to take notes.

    Comment by Liz Gardner — October 16, 2012 @ 1:45 pm

  251. Hi Liz.

    Yes that will be interesting, let us know how it pans out please.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 16, 2012 @ 9:22 pm

  252. Hi. Well I’m back home. It didn’t go too badly. I wasn’t made to perform any ‘humiliating little tricks’ which was relief as I was worried about losing my temper. I was unable to ‘record’ it as unfortunately my hands were bad and I was unable to operate my phone. I was only there for about 15 mins and wasn’t made to wait for any length of time. It certainly wasn’t anywhere near as bad as I was expecting as I have read some real ‘horror stories’.

    Comment by Liz Gardner — October 17, 2012 @ 12:05 pm

  253. Hello Liz.

    It’s not the assessment that’s the problem it’s what you see later on when your deliberately found fit for work..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 17, 2012 @ 2:22 pm

  254. Oh I know I am expecting that but I was very very worried about having to perform their little tricks ie., laying down on an examination couch and having to lift up my legs etc etc etc – I don’t like being humiliated and can become very aggressive. I know that I will have to ‘appeal’ – I used to work as a legal secretary so things like tribunals and courts don’t bother me too much – I was more worried about losing my temper at the examination – so for me I’m over the worst for the time being – I suppose if the worst comes to the worst I will just have to learn to live on JSA – no one is going to employ me – my hands are a mess plus I’m getting quite old. Thank you for having this site by the way it has been an enormous support and has really helped :-)

    Comment by Liz Gardner — October 17, 2012 @ 2:35 pm

  255. Actually I’m a little confused at not having to perform any little tricks. I was asked a series of questions about how I coped at home and asked to show my drugs and provide copies of letters from the hospital. I have read some really chilling stories about folks having to suffer an ‘hour long’ examination process where they have to perform all manner of ‘tricks’ which is obviously done to humiliate them – I don’t know how folks get through them – because I couldn’t.

    Comment by Liz Gardner — October 17, 2012 @ 2:45 pm

  256. Hi, I have been in reciept of incapacity benefit for 25 years owing to a circulatory condition which causes reacurrent DVT’s in my veins and arteries thus far I have had 24DVTw in total in my legs and five PE’s blood clots in my lungs, I am alway in extreem pain in my legs I cannot stand for more than a few minutes and at rest my legs must be elevated to drain the fluid that builds up within them if this does not happen my legs swell considwerably which increases the pain, I have passed every one of the all work tests and examinations to date but have failed my Atos medical, I have not recieved a leter to tell me this just a phonecall from the DWP on the 23rd of October 2012, the actual Atos medical took place in June 2012, I have today contacted the DWP chesterfield office who are apparently dealing with my claim to state that I should have re4cieved a letter by now from them to confirm what is happenning, they say they will phone me by 4 pm but I seriously doubt this will happen I am in two minds wheter or not I should complain to Atos because the Nurse I saw
    (yes a Nurse not a doctor) told me I should get a written letter result in two weeks. and 4 months have passed thus far. I feel that the DWP decision makers are deliberately avoiding my rights to appeal against any decision they make.
    why do the Atos people not consider the patients reaction to medication wether it makes you drowsey or incapacitated? something is seriously wrong here with the way these so called medicals are carried out, I have read much in the last two days online that people are being assessed before they even enter the assesment room if they possess the ability to drive to the assessment they apparently possess the ability to walk 200 yards or more even if they are not asked to try to walk at the assessment, there was no measurement in my assessment of my ability to walk at all my speed of gate was not measurewd I was not asked to try or display any ability to walk, I sat in my wheelchair for almost an hour whilst the nurse typed on her computer then I was asked to get up on a bed raise my legs which I could not do due to my circulation and blood clotting history I transfered to my chair and sat againmfor a futher 30 mins whilst she typed on her computer This was not a proper medical assessment.

    Comment by N. Rudd — October 24, 2012 @ 10:16 am

  257. I first had a medical with the enemy aka ATOS in august 2011 for incapacity benefit and had a very foreign coloured chap who english language skills were so limited he needed basic english lessons he claimed to be supposedly a fully qualified doctor who claimed to know all of the surgeons who were treating and currently operating on me at queen alexandrea hospital and i showed him my carrier bag of medications and letters from the heart surgeon and the authopaedic and spinal surgeons regarding my current state of health and medium to long term dignosis, he looked at the drugs and then dismissed the surgeons letters and then told me that he wanted to examine me, an hour and a half later he told me the so called medical was over and then 3 weeks later i received a letter telling me i was according to ATO and the ideot decision maker at the DWP that i was in there view fit for work and therefore not entitled to DLA, I contacted my local MP and told her what had happend and she contacted the DWP and the decision was loked at and reversed and they then gave me back my entitlement to DLA, In august 16th 2012 i had to appear once again at the ATOS medical centre in portsmouth for yet another so called ATOS medical, this time i my so called medical was with another foreign chap whom i asked are you an actual qualified medical doctor at which point he replied very angrily yes and if you dont answer my questions and co-operate i will mark you down as unco-operative and you Will LOSE YOUR BENEFIT AS FROM TODAY!!, i only asked out of curiosity and i was very polite i may add!!.
    He told me he had absolutly no information from the DWP regarding what was wrong with me and so he asked what i thought was wrong with me?!!, (WHAT I THOUGHT???) Anyway i informed him that i had been diagnosed with having advanced degenerative auteo arthritis in most of my joints including my shoulders and fingers and spine alonside this i have compressed discs in my lower spine (lumber regeon) and i have had a total knee replacement at the age of 49 and im now 51 which has been less than sucessful and im waiting to see the knee surgeon regarding this also
    i have undergon over 10 surgeries to my right wrist since 2006 and had bone grafts and metal plates and screws fitted to my right wrist to try to allow me to keep some use and that this had failed and that i was going into hospital again to have a DRUJJ wrist replacement at the end of october the so called doctor told me i have never heard of this proceedure as he he questioned me also i told him i had been diagnosed with EHD for which i was taken heart meds which i had shown him.
    he then asked me some questions about how i functioned on basic daily functions and i answered his questions truthfully and during this he got a bit annoyed with me and asked why cant you just sit still and stop fidgeting??, i answered him by re explaining to him that i had degenerative austeo arthritis and also crushed discs in my lower spine along side this i had had a total knee replacement that had been less than sucessful and i was waiting to see the surgeon and i explained to him that could not sit in any one position for more than 5 minutes at a time due to the knee getting very painfull as well as my back pain being virtually unbearable, as well as this i handed him two letters that showed him that that afternoon i had an appointment at southampton general for a pre-op assesment medical and i was booked in for major surgery at southampton general to have a DRUJJ wrist replacement on the 30th october 2012 and it also told me i would be spending 3 to 4 days in the hospital .
    This so called doctor then asked me to sit on a doctors couch so i using my stick got over to the bed 5 feet away and had to use a small set of steps (3 steps high) and sat on the couch he then put the palms of his hands on each knee (i thought to myself this guy must be a faith healer !!!) and then he looked at my carrier bag of medications told me my medical was over.

    3 weeks later i received a letter from the DWP saying that a decision maker had looked at my claim and at the ATOS healthcare professioals medical regarding my claim and that his decision is that im fit for work and therefore my claim was now closed but i could appeal, i then went to my local MPs assistant and she told me that she had a mountain of these on her desk would ask for a re look at my case and that penny maudaunt would bring this to the attention of the minister concerned.
    the dwp centre that sent me my letter informed the MPs assistant that i had to officially ask for a decision maker to re visit my case and to reconsider this decision, i did this with two days to spare i still have not heard from the DWP regarding my request but i was also advised to go to the portsmouth advice centre which i have done but the advisor has told me she gets 10 of these a day to deal with and just to get the decision looked at again takes an average of 51 days and to be prepared for it to go to a full appeal hearing which can take up to 11 months but aparently i was informed today that if i won my appeal i can only claim back pay of two months if it goes to full appeal and i win.
    I honestly believe that its time that some top solicitor was prepared to help us with a class action against the corrupt way that ATOS and the DWP impliment a very biased and victimising one sided test because i would…..Mrs Blare where are you???
    when it comes to human rites and dissability rites and equality it seems that this government in its wish to make atos very wealthy will do anything to keep its rich friends and make them even richer and at the same time they are set on destroying the welfare system once and for all!!!.

    Comment by redeye51 — October 24, 2012 @ 11:02 am

  258. Hello N Rudd.

    They don’t call it a medical assessment anymore, they realised that description was a mistake. they call it a functional assessment now.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 24, 2012 @ 12:47 pm

  259. What you went through at this ‘medical’ sounds like an absolute nightmare. How did you manage to ‘keep your cool’ because I would most definitely lose my temper – for me this is the biggest worry about these ‘medicals’ – I’m terrified that I might on one of these occasions turn on these people as my pain makes me very aggressive – I’m worried about ending up on an ‘assault’ charge.

    Comment by Liz Gardner — October 24, 2012 @ 12:53 pm

  260. From N. Rudd, sorry my forms say Medical assessment the building I attended was called the medical assesment centre in Northampton. so they can call it what they like but as long as they communicate it as being a medical assesment to me in paperwork etc it remains a medical assessment from a legal point of view once any medical is carried out on the premises by so called medical proffessionals then a claim to a medical assesment has been made.

    I did get my phonecall today fortunately and I have been told although I did not qualifiy according to the Atos assesment advice ther decision makers have put any decision of my entitlement on hold as my condition has worsened since the medical assessment (yes they used the words medical assesment today)
    I will not necesarily be put back through the system for another assesment apparently they will send me forms next week to explain and expand on details relating to my worsened condition since the medical assesment with Atos.

    The earliest I can get an appointment with my GP is early next week I shall be adressing this and my medication and the effects of my medication which put me in a vegative atate at this appointment this is the same doctors surgery that have supported me in statements for the lasdt 15 years or so. the lady on the phione from the DWp did hint that I might send in any further evidence to support my claim from my GP basically an admittance that Atos do not always make the right decision, I said to her without taking sides I have been medically retired by my doctors for 25 years I have attenced avery assesment I have been asked to and passed on every occasion then suddenly Mother teressa pronounces me fit for work. yes she said I see your point, If the final decision goes against me I will be appealing against their decision on the basis that an unqualified Nurse in my particular condition in a snap shot of less than half a day can justifiy her decision to pronounce me fit for work against 25 years of doctors & consultant surgeons examinations letters and medical certificates. All their many years of combined knowledge and experience is simply disregarded
    By Atos Healthcare and its staff even if presented in written format for them to inspect, they seem to have no regard for outside medical proffesionals those that work for the NHS. doctors Statements are simply dismissed at the assesment.
    I shall also ask who i am to hold accountable for a deteroration of my condition such that I may be hospitalised for emergency treatment as I was once before when I made my own decision to try to return to work five weeks in I was hospitalised for three weeks with yet more blood clots in my legs fortunately they did not travel to my lungs and were caught in time. I think the days ahead will be complex at the very least but at least I can read and write and type a letter if necessary I think the powers that be expect everyone to be uneducated and not fight back if the decision goes against you you must appeal against the decision and do it as quickly as possible their should be a proper qualified GP sitting on the appeal panel I have been to 11 appeal tribunals in the last 25 years and at least you are given your chance to present your case to a panel of people not one person sitting at a computer making a decision they are clearly not qualified to make.

    Comment by N. Rudd — October 24, 2012 @ 4:55 pm

  261. Hi N rudd.

    One day you may find that even the appeal panels can be corrupt, astonishing but true, they’re all in on it as well, it’s just one big scandal.
    And your right they do contradict themselves, by calling it a medical assessment as well as a functional assessment, I suppose it all depends what suits them when it suits them.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 24, 2012 @ 9:36 pm

  262. dwpexamination,
    Thats a popular name that is ha,
    the depression begins it finally starts to sink in, I want to write to Atos now and request the full name and mspecific medical qualiofications of my assessor.
    I do remember that she said she was a registered Nurse but that is all. it seems I was not on the ball as to speak in asking for all of her medical qualifications if I write what do i need to ask for?
    In a world with a more certain future I have been the life and soul and the good listener but now I don’t feel so certain anymore and those around me that dont really understand the complexity of constant pain and how to deal with it on a day to day basis can offer me no help at all because it is my mountain to climb
    and not theirs. I feel lost totally lost like I dont want to go on anynmore.
    the life and soul in me has been crushed completely what is the point?
    How many employers are going to let you take three days off every week to attend hospital clinics that only open between 9am and 4pm in a rural area, thats 3 mornnings a week wasted completely and they complain that smoking wastes production time, apparently I can lift 0.5 litres of liquid in a carton how many bussinesses buy in liquid in small quantities they buy in bulk.
    Having not worked in a proper job for 25 years being subject to a regular routine what are my chances of being employed at age 47 against many healthy fit youngsters who are healthy? None at all. They must know this, I shal, ask my GP for a med 3 when i see him apparently this prounounces you unfit for work. that should throw a fly in the opintment when it lands on the desk of the DWP.

    Comment by N. R — October 25, 2012 @ 12:02 pm

  263. Yeah I know how you feel. I’ve got RA/Sjorgen’s Syndrome – there is not an employer in the world that is going to take me. I took on one job (and lied about my RA) I was told that I could be sued for fraud. Just can’t win.

    Comment by Liz Gardner — October 25, 2012 @ 12:32 pm

  264. Liz,
    I have had notions of returnning to work over the past 25 years and I have even been to interviews where employers in factiories say we wont insure you to work with us because you take medication that will make you bleed excessively if you are injured. employers will always make excuses not to take on staff with illnesses, my Sons other half has one arm shorter than the other she was born like that is wasnt an accident and obviously not her fault at all she wants to work and has been two years applying for jobs attending at leasst 1 interview a week she cannot get incapacity ESA or disability allowence and no-one will employ her at all, she is a qualified carer she has has CRB checks and everything but because of her condition and underlying artheritus she cannot lift patients so what chance does she have intergrating into society this world is so unfair.


    Comment by N. R — October 25, 2012 @ 1:23 pm

  265. NR.

    It’s all designed to sicken you and try and put you off, don’t give in to them, fight back, you can just take each day as it comes and try and cope with it that way..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 25, 2012 @ 8:48 pm

  266. Yeah I know. I don’t blame employers, they are there to make a profit – that is the system that we live in – what employer want a load of sickly people around the place – I wouldn’t if I were an one – I blame our rotten government with being dishonest about this fact – ‘employers do not want to employ sick people’. I lied at one place I did manage to get a job at – they offered free BUPA – they actually told me that they could have sued me for fraud – can’t win.

    Comment by Liz Gardner — October 25, 2012 @ 10:49 pm

  267. Dwp & Liz, despite some conflicting phonecalls three days in a row from the dwp all with numbers witheld the first saying Has my condition worsened since the assesment to which I replied yes and now the decision has been put on hold so that I may be given time to respond once I recieve the promised forms to fill in a pink form apparently the first male caller said I would have to go back to Atos for a second assesment.

    The second caller on the second day rang me up and asked for me I again asked who was calling she gave me her first name Carol and that she was working for the wellingborough office she said that I would be sent a form but I wouldnt necessarily be sent back for another assesment, but she did suggest I get a medical certificate from my GP. much more helpful than the others were.

    she did say you can call me back anytime if you need some advice and said if I rang the dwp 0845 number and asked for the wellingborough office I could contact her.

    Day three again the phone rings at approxamately 3-45pm number witheld
    again the caller asks for me by name
    I asked who was calling she said it is a pribvate call for Mr ___
    I said in these days of phigh protocol I am entitled to know who is calling me with a private call but she still wouldn’t divulge her name ok I said fire away whats the worst she can tell me.
    she demanded that I write a letter to the DWP decision team stating my change of circumstances, so I asked for a mname of the person I had to write to and an appropiate address, by noe she was getting quite shitty with me, oh I will send you a adrwessed envelope if that would help? well of course it would you stupid cow I thought she wouldnt aloow me an address or a name but she demanded that I write a report of my change of circumstanstes, now I know I am dealing with idiots I have an appointment with my GP on Tuesday I have prepared a report but i am not sending anything to anyone who will not idedentifiy themselves and at least give me an address to write to.


    Comment by N. R — October 27, 2012 @ 2:47 am

  268. Oh sorry Liz and DWP forgot to mention I tried to ring Carole back because I was recieving conflicting information from different callers and apparently the Wellingborough office doesnt take incomming calls from outside callers.
    what Bullshit, they are trying to wind me up, maybe I’ll get some points for getting inapropiately agrtessive. Hmmm cheering up a bit now I know how stupid these people are.
    N R.

    Comment by N. R — October 27, 2012 @ 2:51 am

  269. I could do their job better than them hey thats a good idea???? infiltration from the top hows about it everyone??


    Comment by N. R — October 27, 2012 @ 2:57 am

  270. NR.

    Everything’s all secretive now with ATOS, some of them aren’t even wearing name badges, they’re taking them off at the start of their shift.
    Just think, how many angry people are walking in these ATOS centres to be assessed, the biggest majority of us know we are going to fail the assessment before we even attend. And that must lead to conflict, it must be creating awkward questions at each and every assessment.
    Imagine being an HCP and getting through ten assessments a day ? so around fifty people are potentially going to be aggressive either orally or even physically, multiply that with all the assessments being carried out all over Britain, that’s a lot of shouting and bawling and physical assaults, the law of averages says so, and it’s going to get worse and worse for them as each day goes by.

    Would you like to be an ATOS man these days ? I certainly wouldn’t.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 27, 2012 @ 8:46 am

  271. dwp,
    you do have a good point there.but most of us a civil people that know how to behave surely, you can still ask questions and be perfectly civil with people
    agresion solves very little except to get their backs up as we well know.
    found out today that the Wellingborough BDC office is actually in Birmingham thats got to be at least80 miles away from Welingborough (Northants).
    If I end up having to appeal I do hope thay dont ask me to go to Birmingham.
    all my previous appeals have been local.

    Comment by N. R — October 27, 2012 @ 3:45 pm

  272. Yes we want to be civilised, I say they can start being civilised first.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 28, 2012 @ 3:32 am

  273. Dwp,
    thus far i have spoken to four different people in this process 3 of them on the phone 3 have been perfectly civil with me one was quite uncoperative and wouldnt let me have an address to write to which is extreemly daft when they are demanding a statement in writing but she did send me a addressed envelope this is where tax payers money is really being wasted in posting out envelopes when they can learn to communicate on the phone, what I fail to understand is that all future claims are to be conducted either on the phone or online now I know when you are first starting out in the world a phone or a computer may not be a first priority over food and rent, if you have access to good communicastions you will lose out straight away. all part of the master plan to reduce claims by the sounds of it. just wait until their fingers freeze up with arthuritus and they suffer blindness from staring at a computer screen all day for years on end then they will want some help from the state who finds them fit for work it will all backfire in the end, what comes around goes around.

    Comment by N. R — October 28, 2012 @ 2:37 pm

  274. sorry i meant if you don’t have good access to good communications you will loose out.

    Comment by N. R — October 28, 2012 @ 2:40 pm

  275. My sympathy lies with all thos like myself in a rural area with no buses or at least two buses to catch at a cost of £10 or more to go 10 miles just to get to a jobcentre, if a decision goes against you and you have to get rid of your car because you cannot afford to run it what then? this is nothing short of plain cruelty to those who cannot mobilise themselves

    Comment by N. R — October 28, 2012 @ 2:47 pm

  276. Dear DWPE. Just a note to say thank you for your site it has been an enormous help in that it ensured that I filled out the claim form properly, so that I did not ‘miss anything out’ etc etc and that I supplied all the necessary appointment letters etc etc. I’ve got RA/Sjorgens Syndrome – not as bad some folks but nonetheless bad enough. Anyway heard from DWP today that I am in the ESA group – better news than what I was expecting – I thought that I would be put in WRAG group. Which I would have appealed – for if I could work I would – I actually did like my job – but unfortunately have problems with hands. Thank you again as you did make me very judicious in completing the form :-)

    Comment by Liz Gardner — November 1, 2012 @ 3:41 pm

  277. Great News Liz, looks like this site reaslly came through for you.

    can I offer some advice whilst here I have tried googling several times the name of my conditions and then a space and then typing dwp if there is any infrmation on the dwp’s own website it will come up in the results some of the conditions recommend in 2long term prognosis that if an award is made it is made indefinately, you may find like myself that their own information suppoorts your claim. I have printed the information off and intend to use it if necessary at a
    appeal. regards NR.

    Comment by N. R — November 2, 2012 @ 1:27 pm

  278. hi guys, just to say atos wrote to me cancelling my assesement at this time due to further investigation into my medical background, but i am not opening any bubbly yet as you guys know,atos are sneaky liars. i will still read the posts and keep people updatet with any new info. good luck to everyone . lukie

    Comment by lukie — November 3, 2012 @ 1:34 pm

  279. I was sent for my original atos assessment 3 and a half years ago due to agoraphobia and social panic disorder, i was given no points as i have mental health issues which as we all know are not covered at all in the assessment, i waited 2 and a half years for my appeal, i won easily with 18 points and breathed the first real sigh or relief in a long while hoping to be able to be given the time and support needed to get well and back to work (i had previously worked most of my adult life and had lost my previous job because of the illness) 2 weeks later i was sent back for another atos assessment and promptly given 0 points again. I am now finally due for my second appeal after another year in limbo, i recently had to be hospitalised after the stress of the situation got too much for me and frankly i wonder if i should have any realistic hope that this time will be any different and wonder if i should expect another appointment date a few days after my apeal hearing if i win again (which my doctors/therapists etc say i should win easily). Ive tried (through my family members) to get help via my local MP and free legal services but i wonder what the point is while this system is allowed to continue.

    Comment by Phil — November 3, 2012 @ 4:20 pm

  280. Cheers lukie…expect the worst but hope for the best.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2012 @ 3:21 am

  281. Lukie, are your GPs records on the new computer system? if so you may find that if Atos ask your GP for more info that your records have only been entered back to a certain date. My records from 2006 were only enterted on the computer system whereas my condition goes back to 1989, I have asked for my records to be removed from the computer system as the records do not reflect a true picture of my medical records.
    regards NR.

    Comment by N. R — November 4, 2012 @ 11:19 am

  282. If a person is found ‘fit for work’ by the Atos medical assessment and has to go to job interviews and gets a job knowing their condition will most likely increase risk of having an accident in the workplace; unstable walking, may slip and fall and damage self, visual problems, medication required, if unable to safely evacuate a building if fire or emergency, if unable to wear ppe correctly as head/neck stiff, bent posture etc, who is responsible for that person if they need hospital treatment thereafter.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 13, 2012 @ 9:13 pm

  283. you simply will not get a job because is is a legal requirement that you disclose all of your health problems on your CV or at an interview, an employer can sue you if you do not disclose something that may affect his/her ability to save your life inh an emergency, this has been severely overlooked by the goverment and what I would like to know is how a so called specialist Nurse suddenly becomes more qualified than a GP or Surgeon just because we have a different political party at the helm. if this is the case Nurses wages should be increasing by over a 100% rise in the very near future because according to the conservatives they are now as qualified to practice as GP’s and surgeons.

    Comment by N. R — November 13, 2012 @ 11:46 pm

  284. quote in their leaflet WCA AL1C “special trainning to carry out your type of medical assesment” what a load of Tosh.if they bothered to look my condition up on their own website it says and I quote ” if the problem exists for more than 5 months and an award is made award long term” these people really are thick idiots and cannot even use a computer to look up information on their own website. absolute Muppets not even worthy of their own jobs which could be much better filled by chimpanzees. they really are pathetic excuses for human beings if that is what they call themselves?

    Comment by N. — November 13, 2012 @ 11:56 pm

  285. Hello Anonymous.

    They would say you were responsible because you accepted the job in the first place.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 14, 2012 @ 8:45 am

  286. Hi NR.

    Their excuse is that you can do some kind of work, even if it’s pushing buttons an a machine or computer, that’s their constant mantra.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 14, 2012 @ 8:48 am

  287. I just wanted to add that if even with specialist training, reasonable adjustments made to job, hrs flexi, and you have to get Job seekers… if you are classed as fit for work, then cant you show this to the employer… I was just worried that a lot of disabled/unfit for work persons for what ever reason, are put in a position that may cause safety issues to themselves or others in the workforce- if found fit for work how can a business/employee refuse on grounds if they produce evidence they have been found fit for work by ESA report? then if that person say, ok you say im fit I’ll try to work, go in to work and cause an accident or have one themselves…surely someone else (not the employee) is also responsible for making the discion of being fit for work (any)?? thanks for your replies … just wondering how many people would want to work with a person with mental instability at the side of them or someone with cripling bones..that stressed continuously they were not fit to work… some people who are disabled do want to work and need help to without discrimination but for the majority (like what I’ve read on here) how would it effect staff who need to help these people and by doing so stop them from doing their job….loss of earnings/productivity/accident at work risks… if the ESA say your fit then can an employer refuse you?

    Comment by Anonymous — November 14, 2012 @ 11:57 am

  288. Just want to add, I have personally been set alight by a young lady who decided ‘it would be fun to see what happened’ if she set my jumper alight while I had my back turned….it did set a light and I only new what was happening because of the smell and immediately put it out with my hands… not her fault due to her medical problems I know but what if someone else set a bin on fire, … i could go on and on but if a person is deemed ‘fit for work’ & doesnt appeal, doesnt want JSA and goes straight into employment interviews; maybe their illness/medication makes them feel they ‘could rule the world’ … I could go on & on etc with this ESA report stating ‘fit for work’ & the person with the illness/disability they believe that…. even if a ‘buddy’ is asigned to help … can they watch and help all the time? safety safety safety for all I say and hope that the vunerable and infirm and people with long term health issues are not put in impossible working situations for their health and others…. ESA ‘fit for work’ assessment needs to be verified by other professionals or surely ‘they’ are somewhat responsible should a business/employer/other employees be made to feel unsafe. Please dont think I am descriminating against anyone with disabilities, I believe if that person does want to work then all necessary steps should be made available to help even if temp. work or time but soooo upset that people who know they are not fit and have proof and seek help and are under GP/specialist care programs etc..that they are overlooked and ‘forced’ to do something unsafe or have no money to live on…. Also, can these assessors ask questions about a children or is there a law that protects children as some have been asked about their children… and how do they look after them or ‘ if partner and child go on holiday’ (read on someone’s prev. post) surely they didnt need to answer under child protection laws????? what a mess the system is….

    Comment by Anonymous — November 14, 2012 @ 12:45 pm

  289. Anonymous.

    Of course the employer can refuse you, and the DWP would probably turn round and give you a lecture on how it’s all your fault for having an illness that precludes you from working.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 14, 2012 @ 1:42 pm

  290. Anonymous.

    They can ask any questions they like it seems, they even asked someone if they had criminal convictions.
    You couldn’t make it up.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 14, 2012 @ 1:53 pm

  291. Looks like a lot of ill people will be in jobs they cant do and will cause company/business a whole heap of profits being eaten into, that said I can only assume should such an accident/incident happen then the compensation, court appeal and safety at work regs would be involved BUT the DWP have declared them fit for work so hay hoooo, ‘accident at work’ adverts – will be inundated soon. Can a company actually refuse you employment if you declare your illness? what ? descrimination againt the ill/disabled.. impossible? you have proof you are fit for work by the DWP/ESA report….Courts are gonna be keeping someone busy…. hope this mess of a system is soon overhauled and the sooner the better… can a employer keep prescribed medication on site should employee need it… safety? if not (some companies wont keep paracetomol let alone morphine etc…)is that not descrimination as it provides employee with limited function to work? again, if declared ‘fit for work’ in any form who is responisble should something go wrong when the disabled/ill/infirm/longterm illness person etc have an accident or become hospitalised or worse…. and they had strongly (and with evidence) protested that they are too ill for work??? I may look up some laws and find out if no one knows… Phew, good luck to everyone.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 14, 2012 @ 3:00 pm

  292. They do not want to create a paoper trail that leads back to them hence the reasons why they choose to telephone you not disclosing and surnames office place or address, it all seems very underhanded indeed. they lie about being able to phone them back then someonhe else tells you that office doesnt take incoming calls so they give a little lift show some sympathy and give you a little confidence by lieing to you. it does seem a bit cloak and dagger.
    I suspect that legislation has been brought tin to try to prevent you from suing them for making the wrong desicion.|my first qwuestion would relate to the qualifications of a Nurse compared to a Doctor I think that this is the best path to follow esspecially if one was appealing against a decision.

    Comment by N. — November 14, 2012 @ 5:15 pm

  293. if they ask if you have criminal convictions say what has that to do with any of this. or No have you?

    Comment by N. — November 14, 2012 @ 5:20 pm

  294. Better stil, if asked ‘Have you any criminal convictions ?’ reply sure I do, loads.
    And if asked what the convictions are, then reply ”Breaking peoples noses that asked me stupid questions”.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 14, 2012 @ 6:04 pm

  295. it sure makes a change to see some humour on here.

    Comment by N. — November 15, 2012 @ 1:33 am

  296. I thought if you were found ‘fit for work’ and had to go on work related interviews, if offered a job, and you told your illness.. the employer knows your illness, and you faint or fall or blackout, have a fit, injure yourself etc thereafter……..what then? if you never get offered a job because of your illness due to safety … what then? I am unaware of the procedures and practices relating to this so apologies if my question is incorrect and this situation just wouldnt happen.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 16, 2012 @ 2:53 pm

  297. Hello Anonymous.

    When you go for work focused interviews it’s to encourage you to find a job yourself, they will not offer you a job because there aint any jobs, they know there aint any jobs and even if there was the able bodied would snap them up on the spot, but still they insist you attend these charade interviews or else.

    So it’s not difficult to work out that it’s all a scam, the intention is to sicken you and force you to take any meaningless job/s like stacking shelves at Tesco just to get away from the stress they are causing.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 16, 2012 @ 4:38 pm

  298. There are some medical conditions where an employer will either not employ a person of they will be restricted from doing part of the job, for example anyone with epilepsy won’t be employed to work with machinery, because the company’s liability insurance will rocket and they would rather not pay the increased premium. or the employer will not allow that person to use machinery when it can be done by others. I have used the insurance factor when told to apply for jobs in the past, the JC+ wanted me to apply to drive an ambulance and a bus, both need 10 years free of fits and I didn’t qualify

    Comment by wildthing666 — November 16, 2012 @ 4:42 pm

  299. There are similar rules applying to diebetics on insulin both type 1 and type 2 i am type 2 on insulin and I had to notifiy DVLA and they took away my PSV entitlement straight away.

    Comment by N. — November 16, 2012 @ 5:09 pm

  300. Sorry for going on ….but what happens if after sy 3 months say or 1 or 2 years you are still unemployed as yr illness is longterm etc, employers wont employ you for what ever reason they choose (as long as it isnt disability descrimination of course)

    I dont quite understand why/how JC would be able to still send a person knowing how ‘bad’ they are, knowing employer rules/laws like asking someone with epilepsy to drive? but ok, wow, shocking to hear too! looks like the JC/advisers do so,

    again, what if by ‘having to go to interview’ you were taken ill on the way to interview? had an accident on the premises/during interview because of yr illness and the aggrevating factors it took to go? Is it ‘legal’ to send or advise an ill person to go for an interview that impairs their already poor quality of life or worsens their illness?

    still dont really understand the legality of it in these circumstances: something that may cause a person harm or safety of others whether general public, when normally that ill person wouldnt have to travel or travel constantly, fall in middle of road, when normally they would be accompanied on these days but now no one available so on own…) or cant exit in an emergency or cant get medication in time or dont have qualified staff to deal with, for instance epilepsy… what happens if an epileptic person has a fit at the JC?

    Yr thoughts on this ‘safety issue’ if possible, its just I cant get my head around this part (well, not that I get much of it anyway, e.g. fit for work if you can touch your pocket on the chest? odd that is..)

    Comment by Anonymous — November 17, 2012 @ 10:18 am

  301. Hello Anonymous.

    I suppose there’s a clue in the letters they send, and the clue is ‘Your benefits may be affected if you do not attend” notice they don’t say WILL be affected, just may be affected, this play on words is no accident but carefully thought up as a way round the problem of ”What if” in other words ”What if the claimant falls ill at or journeying to the assessment or interview” the DWP or ATOS can point to their letter and say ”Look…we didn’t force this person, that person or anyone to come here, they came on their own free will” so we are not responsible.

    I know this, because a Doctor has already attended a recruitment evening at an ATOS centre and recorded it, a question was asked ”Do we have a responsibility if a claimant falls ill at an assessment ?” the answer from the recruiting Doctor was an emphatic NO, and when asked why they would not be responsible, the answer was ”Because they come here on their own free will”.

    So what does that mean from our point of view ? it means you and you alone must provide proof that you are in danger health wise if you attend an assessment or interview, they are saying the burden of proof and the demonstration of proof is down to you, if you do not provide such proof then they will take the only action they can, which is to stop your benefits for non attendance.

    As I said, this is all been carefully thought out for one purpose and one reason, to allow them to dodge responsibility if anything health wise adversely happens to you on the way too, or at one of their fixed assessments or idiotic interviews.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 17, 2012 @ 12:08 pm

  302. Dwpexamination,
    I thought I’d try to slow the process of filing out the initial form and I kept getting phone calls every day from JC+ you must fill out the form or your benefits may be affected, finally three days before the form was due in I got a direct threat recorded on my answer machine “your benefits will be stopped if you do not send in the form” the caller also identified herself I still have the recording on the answer machine to proove this.

    Comment by N. — November 17, 2012 @ 2:34 pm

  303. Hi N.

    It’s just that, a threat, but beware…make sure your form is in their possession inside the deadline, if it isn’t then you will most likely find they can be cruel and merciless with regards to stopping your benefits.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 17, 2012 @ 3:17 pm

  304. dwp,
    oh its long gone special delivery to, i’m not taking any chances with the post esspecially leading up to Christmas, they are phonningh mealmost every day now I am not talkiing to anyone on the phone anymore I keep getting conflicting info from them, if they want to communicate they do it by letter in a proper offical manner at least this way I should recieve the correct info first attempt and not a load of shite from four diffrerent people, one of which wouldn’t even give me her first name.
    if my telephone doesnt recognise the number it doesnt get answered it goes straight to the answer machine no-one yet has left another message on the machine since I told them I will not be threatened by them leaving threatenning messages on my answer machine I also advised them I have recorded my incomming calls.

    Comment by N. — November 17, 2012 @ 3:25 pm

  305. Hi, just been reading ‘disability descrimination acts’ on GOV.uk and it does provide info on employers responsibility etc (my interpretation only but):

    That an employer can not refuse you the job based on your disability (even if say, its because you dont have qualifications etc). If you are qualified in the job or educated to do it/or not but fill the criteria, and you can prove that you could do the job then the disabled person has every right to challenge reasons why they didnt get the job and have their day in court I would assume…. .and if you state that you are unable to attend the Atos Assessment because it will severly affect your day to day living etc and request home visit, surely if refused then this is harassement and discrimination and bullying etc… you can complain about that right?

    What if you put in writing, and state to Atos/DWP:
    If benefit/money ‘may be stopped’ because I am unable to attend assessment and my request for home visit denied and I believe ((as does my specialist/GP that I am in bad health to do so etc (letters from specialist/GP etc if you have or can)) and poor financial position to ‘maybe have my money stopped’ I hereby confirm:

    The harassement I feel to attend assessment, otherwise may result in benefit being stopped and after home visit denied letter, then I will unconcentingly attend assessment , and if in doing so results in: my function/health deteriorating/worsend and adversely affects my quality of life due to journey to assessment/during/after and/or I have an accident/incident (for reasons which I gave when requesting home visit etc ),then I would like to state that any decline in my health at that point is not out of my own negligence, as I, to the best of my ability, try to ensure safety, health and dignity to oneself and others, I feel I may only attend assessment on the grounds I was not granted home visit, but not that I am fit do so.

    (or something like that…Thanks HCP, now get me some oxygen cos the air around here stinks.. ) just something in writing to state that you believe you are in no fit state to attend and your own health is being compromised and confirm as much, just in case you faint/fall/need medical assistance etc.. would that be of any use?

    Comment by Anonymous — November 18, 2012 @ 7:26 pm

  306. What about disability descrimination act ? for those whose condition will worsen if repetative motion(s) expected in job…even if you just push a button…and deterioration of condition/aggrevating conditions by doing certain ‘functions’ on a day to day, (or hr by hr) make your health worse… and an employer has to ensure that they dont descrimate against you or they are in breach of disability act..

    ‘Guess a person with health problems that worsen wont be in that job for long and the road to compensation will grow..How can growth and prosperity of a company increase if it has person(s) doing a job that are just too ill to do it to a reasonable standard….(but cant multi-task as a ‘fitter person could’) and that persons health is made worse and needs ‘resources’ to just do a simple task… ..surely it will cost businesses a lot more money ?… but a business can not refuse on grounds of disability without great reasons so back to square one, are these people really fit for work? Maybe businesses need to get on board, to voice their concerns too.

    I agree that anyone who themselves, along with their specialists, feel fit for work or capable for long periods of time to work, have every right to work but there are a lot of people with health issues and problems that need help to live day to day in some dignity – these people should not be targeted in the first place…. I will certainly be voting against this policy and hope the next election shows the politicians the publics disgust. Good luck and hope everyone can find the strength to protest and not let ‘this’ take more of your health.

    For those who claim when they are just too bone idle to get up and want an easy cop out…. (not saying there are a lot of these but) watch out, ya may find a lot of people in the public and people with ‘real’ health problems whistleblowing and taking photos and pointing a finger at you.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 19, 2012 @ 12:13 pm

  307. some of us actually have the desire to work and against all the odds have tried only to end up back in hospital a few weeks later with life threatenning conditions, this process does get you down as you just dont know what is foing on at the DWP end esspecially when you read threads like this ( DWP staff laughing about deniying benefits in the staff canteen) probably for a genuine case to. The world has become a very cruel place if this is how people behave toward others, I am no tree hugger but a more human approach goes a very long way.

    Comment by N. — November 19, 2012 @ 12:59 pm

  308. #307: I can only hope that if hospitalisation occurs due to being found ‘fit for work’ and found employement that compensation due to loss of earnings is claimed. For those that find it amusing to deny the ill benefits, knowingly too, then with a bit of luck.. what goes around comes around & I would never have said that years ago but I am becoming more cynical to all involved with this procedure. Hope that somehow, someway these people get a taste of their own medicine!

    Comment by Anonymous — November 19, 2012 @ 3:34 pm

  309. #308, as simply as the blair goverment changed legislation then Law to prevenmt protestors blockading fuel refineries (where incidentially they always allowed fuel out for emergency services) I suspect that they have put the DWP in a protective bubble to prevent any claims against the state.
    I have read here that back dated payments will only go back two weeks even if it takes a year to come to a conclusion, this country is becomming a do what we tell you to do state rather than having any of the old freedoms that we were so used to having.freedom of speech has gone the recent who ha with comments on twitter are being legally challenged so we cannot even use the web to express our opinions anymore without being legally challenged, the great Blairite web of free information is just a massive advertising medium to anyone who wishes to exploit it, an employer will checkout your facebook page to fibnd an exscuse to sack you to demote you to a lower pay scale. democracy No not anymore Dictatorship Yes thats more like it. we even have websites blocked so we cannot download movies anymore, this country is travelling rapidily towards a dictatorship very quickly.

    Comment by N. — November 21, 2012 @ 11:07 am

  310. Just got my reply and not entitled. Decision made because (they say) I did not return my questionaire ESA50 (this was my 1st one) 1st not received, got letter saying they hadnt received it, so rang Atos and JC and got a 2nd ESA50. got a month to query this…gonna request another ESA50 (3rd) and send registered post.
    Any other ideas on how to prove… I guess the phone records only show I phoned these numbers for a 2nd ESA50 to be sent out, but I did get a second ESA50, filled in on time, it was posted on time, letter doesnt say anything about 2nd ESA50? Can these be ‘standard’ letters sent out. The Atos guy said he would make a note that I called and requested 2nd ESA50 and change time needed to fill it in, so what next? Get a GL24 and appeal against decision based on my 2nd ESA50 being sent and this refers to first? Gee, I dont know, what a pickle.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 21, 2012 @ 11:37 am

  311. #310
    photo-copy the ESA50 when you have filled it in, there is not much room to say all you need to on this form I wrote in the boxes please refer to typed statement and included a very long letter, which they actually bothered to read suprizingly enough.then send the form & the letter Special delivery , OK it costs more but you know it will be there next day by Midday and you can track the letter online using the referance number on the post office website, if they say they havent recieved it you can proove that they have with the referance number which they can check if need be. The pre-paid envelope is second class post and could take 10 days or up to 3 weeks to reach them. which does leave the possibility of it getting lost along the way.

    Comment by N. — November 21, 2012 @ 12:25 pm

  312. #310,
    you think your in a pickle I had a phone call to say I failed the atos medical and was not entitled but as my condition has worsened.
    my case would be reviewed was I supposed to appeal or was I entitled to appeal no-one told me this on the telephone so straight to being reviewed then. is my time to appeal dwindling away? I have no idea what is going on no-one has written to me to tell me what is happenning with my claim. I am as confused as the next person is.

    Comment by N. — November 21, 2012 @ 12:34 pm

  313. I have stumbled upon this WCA handbook here is the link I think many people should be aware of the meanning of some of the descriptors in the form that the Atos staff fill out during the assesment, this makes for very interesting reading. here is the link below.


    More interesting links


    Comment by N. — November 21, 2012 @ 2:30 pm

  314. Just had a home medical by an atos doc. I have heart failure, been fitted with an ICD defibrillator and have a torn cartilage which makes walking very difficult I get breathless and need help dressing and undressing. So why do the tossers in the DWP send a GP with no cardiac or orthopaedic training or experience when exact info regarding my condition has ALREADY given by my cardiac and orthopaedic consultants? One suspects one knows the answer. This bunch of facist politicians who did not win an election and greased their way into power do not want us to have the benefits we are legally entitled to. Much better to give our money to our worthless banks, the wealthy, and overseas aid. The DWP on it’s web clearly states that worries and concerns about falling and getting hurt would count in consideration for AA, yet in my experience these factors are treated with disdain and in the main discounted. Also your own GPs. report will in all probability be dismissed if its favourable.
    Let’s get rid of the coalition MPs and start again

    Comment by John Ohara — November 21, 2012 @ 5:37 pm

  315. Looking at the wca handbook! thanks for link ‘N’. John, the wca handbook, wow, reads really well for them.. basically it made me feel as though as long as I can breathe I’m ok… they can put in place practices to help you when out of breath, prevent you getting out of breath and doesnt seem like anything regarding fluctuations/ recurrances are taken into account….

    it does mention (but I was getting confused and anxious so maybe I didnt get the right picture) but that if a person can not do what a normal person (without yr impairment) can do in a timely manner and take a break and do again, to take that into consideration but I am not sure would give a claimant the 15points or not sure if points are added up and overall points considered?.

    I feel absolutely terrible, and feel unworthy – if a person is only entitled to this, basically are on their death bed or that mentally ill or so imobolised cant move or feed (my heart goes out to them) then I dont fit into the system, its true.

    I have discs that recurringly buldge and herniate (constant MRI scans show multipal disc ‘disease’, since first went on benefit 5 yr ago) normally 3 or more discs and inflammation in neck) . Cant take morphine or similar so left with repeated injections and a milder pain relief tablet plus my home made heat packs … but I couldnt keep my job of 25yrs who found me unfit for work/any work after I agreed to rehabilitation back to work who also said same as works doctor at that time and I took redundancy. 5 yrs on I still have multiple disc herniations (5)and inflammation in neck and can just about walk but my gait is more like an upside down L! weakend muscles etc all of which make it very difficult to travel and frequently get nerve pinches in chest or muscle spasms & breathlessness(havent had that properly diagnosed, just verbally told thats what it is) as different discs just protrude/herniate whenever they want..and some are same as first MRI. So I am not terminally ill or sanctioned at anytime but along with years of pain and sleep deprevation and constant discs slipping, I feel unsafe/too much pain and wouldnt yet be able to do a day without having another 10 days off… to apply for work, … I guess I am still waiting for a successful treatment to stop my problems so I can look for work (even if homebased) but it aint happened yet, thats all. Good luck to you all,hope you are found eligable for benefit sooner than later.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 21, 2012 @ 6:44 pm

  316. #315,
    it says that the Healthcare proffessional is not alowed to critisize your previous treatment in any way what so ever well my examiner did exactly that but I did coax the HCP by saying off the record is that entrapment if I use it against the HCP? might come in handy that.

    Comment by N. — November 22, 2012 @ 1:01 am

  317. Hail to that John, they must go as soon as possible.
    Of course ATOS will claim that they are Health care professionals and are not diagnosing your illness, but just checking to see if you can move one of your fingers.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 22, 2012 @ 1:09 am

  318. N.

    If you caught an ATOS Dr pimping his daughter or selling drugs on the premises, he would still get away with it.
    It would never be allowed near the media, a huge coverup would swing into motion, with bribes and threats on anyone with evidence.

    ATOS have the full backing of the government to do as they like, even break the law, which at the moment they are doing on a daily basis.

    I do hope you catch my drift here ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 22, 2012 @ 7:44 am

  319. Can you complain to the secretary of state or higher re: any slander or mis-treatment that has gone on with proof? Its just so difficult as people with illness are not (unless that was their job) solicitors/lawyers etc and tribunals – do they listen or have to record your grievance?

    Again, It states that if a person can not do a task in the same manner as a person without your impairment at a reasonable, safe manner repeatedly even with breaks etc or without causing impairment to worsen…something in that context…then it must be classed that the person with the impairment can not do the task. Why isnt this put into practice I wonder??? or is it but no points?

    I really do now get ‘the drift’ …….whats gonna happen dwpexamination? do you feel it will improve with time? I would like to know how many jobs and job descriptions request/require only a button to be pressed ….so I would have to ask them the relevance..every time.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 22, 2012 @ 12:55 pm

  320. I know this is a bit of a strong opinion and I appolagise if it offends anyone but your computer does have an off button none the less, what seems to annmoy me most of all is if your an alcoholic and P*ss your incapacity benefits up the wall then you qualifiy for benefits instantly without question, yet if you have a genuine medical condition and many years of history from your GP or surgeons and you can move your finger you don’t stand a chance, this is very wrong. ifyou are an alcoholic this is self inflicted and a job would be the right answer in my opinion.

    Comment by N. — November 22, 2012 @ 2:00 pm

  321. Finally and most obviously an alcoholics pain relief actually works unlike mine which knocks me bandy without drinking any alcohol at all. ahh perhaps I have struck on something there.

    Comment by N. — November 22, 2012 @ 2:12 pm

  322. Anonymous.

    Your still not getting the message, it’s all a scam, wake up and smell the coffee. It’s got nothing to do with what you can or cannot do, they want you off benefits or go away and die.

    I can’t make it any clearer than that..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 22, 2012 @ 4:42 pm

  323. I am not going to apologise if it offends as anonymous says you know where the off button is, I have had 5 Atos assessments now and have had to fight for my ESA and DLA every time even with letters from a Consultant Brain Surgeon and Consultant Neuro Psychologist, well that’s now, 15 years ago 1997 I was in and out of mental hospitals, treatment centres, dry houses etc I am now nearly 15 years sober and for someone to suggest being alcoholic is self inflicted, well believe me no-one would choose to go through the horrors of chronic alcoholism, this is the kind of remark that only an Atos HCP could make if I see your comments again I will switch off as I believe you are a secret incognito Atos HCP!

    Comment by neil duerden — November 22, 2012 @ 5:11 pm

  324. neil, you gave up congratulations that prooves my point about it being self inflicted wheras a man who has lost his legs in battle cannot grow new legs can he? or someone with degenerative spine disease cannot grow a new spine but you can stop drinking as you have prooved to yourself.
    I know addiction very well it has been my enemeny for many years of my life ruined by prescription drugs but only I like you could change that symptomatic process by cutting down and eventually stop taking them, like you and stopping drinking, I took more and more painkillers because I was in pain. if you believe I am anything to do with Atos HCP’s you really do need some kind of assesment.

    Comment by N. — November 22, 2012 @ 11:33 pm

  325. N my comment probably appeared angry so apologies, my tolerence levels are zero since smashing my brain, long coma etc and I can get on my high horse far to easily and especially if I possibly take comments the wrong way, I have lost a lot of good Alcoholic mates who were in recovery until relapse occured over the last 15 years to that dreadful illness so a bit touchey about that subject, something I’m working on anyway thanks for the comment.

    Comment by neil duerden — November 23, 2012 @ 9:12 am

  326. I feel that the system is to ensure all persons are off benefits too, I didnt, but I do now….but surely if a person is unable to ‘in a safe, reasonable, timely manner (as someone without your impairment can do) do any job then how on earth can they travel everyday, take medicine that makes them dizzy, sick etc just to get thru the day and go for interviews.. do the work groups cover this once off IB.

    Neil: Good to hear you are in a better place…… Cant possibly know why lives are ruined, crushed and the mere stress of what a person is/has gone thru unless personally attached, and aware of them….why someone ends up begging on the street, why someone ends up so distraut they cant cope…I was so relieved to read you are in a better place and have seen the devastating effects alcohol has on someone who was once so full of life. I have seen someone also with severe impairments (not visible) colapse with pain, hands and feet balooned so much they dont look real… to be told they are fit for work…

    People I personally have a ‘gripe’ with are those that are fit and well in every sense…no ailments, no physical/mental problems, no reason what so ever not to work or do voluntary….( I have seen so many of these people.. shouting offensive, verbal and physical abuse, intimedate others, spit on the floor, take a drag of their roll up, kick bins over etc…and claim), dont know if they have to do ‘something’ for their benefits now but this is different to those who’s condition/impairment has been diagnosed and treatment is long term and were found unfit for work and still are and had consultant/GP backing … how can this just suddenly change to become ‘fit for work’..? Do consultants/GP’s have any power/appeal/or have they got their hands tied?

    So, off the ‘incapable’ go and off to work shops and interviews they crawl…(see #313 handbook link for HCP). Again, when is this gonna stop, are Atos here forever? Is there a government that would change the system?….

    Comment by Anonymous — November 23, 2012 @ 12:55 pm

  327. Neil, I appolagize if I was harsh to, it wasn’t meant to be a personal attact on anyone a very good fiend of mine is a recovering alcoholic and he drinks because it helps with his crumbling lower spine condition, he has been forced out to work also and he comes home in absolute agony even the trip home 5mins by car over speed bumps has him writhing in his seat
    I wasnt pointing at anyone with an underlying disability like yourself it would be daft to do that with a friend who is an alcoholic wouldn’t it.

    I wonder how many MP’s Have shares in Atos Healthcare? would it be worth trying to find out through the freedom of information act?

    Comment by N. — November 23, 2012 @ 2:06 pm

  328. As I was denied ESA on grounds of not recieving my form on time and it states I didnt give a good cause… send a letter to JCP and Atos (I was not told to do so) was told the query would take a wk to sort, by phone. so not taking any chances, a letter was composed and sent special delivery today.
    As I believe both Atos and JCP were aware that I requested a 2nd form immediately and why needed, and if I have my facts right, wasnt given enough time (7 days approx) to get 2nd questionaire sent to me, filled in and returned by the final date 1st allowed. There is a rule : # failure to return a questionaire..on a benefits web site so I quoted it in my letter so hope the decision maker can see I didnt have enough time from being told the 1st questionaire wasnt received to getting a 2nd one returned? I requested all forms to be forwarded to me too.

    What do I do next if decision stands and refused? Any advise would be really helpful and anyone else been thru this. I mean, where the heck is my 1st questionaire, and have they now got my 2nd?

    Comment by Anonymous — November 24, 2012 @ 9:56 pm

  329. check your special deliver reciept number against the post office website if the post office say it was signed for at point of delivery you can proove they have it somewhere in their office at least.

    Comment by N. — November 24, 2012 @ 10:13 pm

  330. Having scored zero points during examination for ESA, I have been awarded benefits after another for Industrial injuries with a suggested 20% disability rating. Both examinations performed by ATOS!! The appeal is going to be interesting.

    Comment by Brian — November 25, 2012 @ 12:33 am

  331. Anonymous.

    If that decision does go against you then you have the right to appeal, let’s just hope they see sense and you don’t have to go through that as well, see the CAB or Welfare rights for personal expert advice.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 25, 2012 @ 10:52 am

  332. Hi Brian.

    It’s a joke isn’t it, ATOS occupational health find you unfit for work with a pat on the back, then ATOS Twatcare find you fit for work with a pat on the back.
    We are left scratching our heads on how illogical it all is, but there’s actually method to their madness, and it was all planned years ago.
    This is what they claim, ATOS occupational health find you unfit for work at the job your doing at the moment because basically the company want’s rid of you, then ATOS healthcare find you fit for work because they don’t want you to get any benefits, they take the view that you may not be able to carry out your normal duties but since you can lift one of your fingers then you can do something that precludes you from applying for sickness benefits.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 25, 2012 @ 11:01 am

  333. Re: 331 – Got letter today, wow – early…confirming decision changed (#328) and now I will be required to attend a Work Capability Assessment, arranged in near furture….. I dont feel I will be able to travel and endure this, I requested a home visit. Approx 1 month ago, I went to see my pain management specialist (5mins in taxi, traffic permitting) and when I got there the nurse came to my aid even before I sat in waiting room, I had to lay down in room and have nurses help as I was in so much pain from sitting and walking and breathless. It took over 30 mins for me to ‘come round’ …. so I put on my form I wanted a home visit. I dont have anyone to go with me to an assessment. What should I do? Any advice? I must say that I was pleasantly suprised at the quick response from JCP in decision change though, but thats about as far as I go.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 26, 2012 @ 11:20 am

  334. Got 3rd questionaire to fill in and was hoping someone could provide links or advice on how to fill in regarding wording for long-term chronic pain, do I repeat on every question giving details of function and variables. My answers are nearly always ‘varies’ from severe to acute depending on what and how long I do something and what medication and how much of it I take…. also, hearing alot on news about work programs.. helping people get back into work. At this moment in time I feel more ‘forced’ than ‘helped ‘as I have been on a program for over 5 years trying to do the self same thing? Just got back from GP asking to be referred for a MRI but said they couldnt but could refer me to someone who could… should I mention this too?

    Comment by Anonymous — November 27, 2012 @ 12:59 pm

  335. Could I use a similar letter to send to the DLA off my gp ? if so I am not sure how to word this ,I have been signed off both high rate components of DLA after an ATOs medical assessment ,my gp is in full support of me and is backing my appeal .I suffer constant mental health problems and fibromylagia ,bowel /bladder incontinence ..
    To whom it may concern
    I am this patient’s General Medical Practitioner and the custodian of the primary medical records they have accumulated during their lifetime in the UK.
    Following a recent Work Capability Assessment this patient, in contradiction of my own knowledge of the patient over time, clinical assessment and medical certification was found:
    fit for work
    was deemed to have limited capability for work and was placed in the WRAG (Work Related Activity Group)
    The patient’s Past Medical History and current problems include:
    Although this person has been deemed “fit for work” I am of the opinion that exceptional circumstances Regulation 29 applies:
    ‘Because of your physical or mental health condition or disability, there would be a substantial risk to the mental or physical health of any person, including you, if you were found not to have limited capability for work.’
    With regard to the limited capability for work (WRAG Group decision) that regulation 35 applies:
    ‘Because of your physical or mental health condition or disability there would be a substantial risk to the mental or physical health of any person, including you, if you were found not to have limited capability for work-related activity.’
    I am of this opinion because:
    I disagree with the outcome of your assessment and support my patient in their appeal against your decision.
    Yours sincerely

    Comment by nikki — December 3, 2012 @ 11:52 am

  336. I have been waiting 9 month on my tribunal date. I get a letter on Fri 30/11/12 saying I had lost my tribunal which was held at Glasgow on Wed 28/11/12. I will be appealing to the upper tribunal but will I be able to claim my £71.00 per week still?.

    Comment by Alan — December 3, 2012 @ 1:26 pm

  337. Hello Alan.

    You just re-apply for ESA. Get the form and state a worsening of your present condition or a new health condition, as long as six months have passed since the decision maker found you fit for work, and the GP still gives you a sicknote.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 3, 2012 @ 1:37 pm

  338. You can use the same letter Nikki, don’t send them the original though, just copies sent to whoever it concerns.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 3, 2012 @ 1:39 pm

  339. There seems to be a lot of referances to sick notes on here and when I approached my GP for a sick note I found it had been replaced with something called a fit note which has tickboxes on it where the GP has to access your capeability for some kinds of work and it is filled out online instead of being handed to you.

    Comment by N. — December 3, 2012 @ 1:44 pm

  340. Dame Carole Black (Look her up, an asshole par excellence) thought up this idea of a fit note, it’s a type of indoctrination.

    YOU WILL COMPLY AND CALL IT A FIT NOTE, NO we will not comply, it is a sicknote, always has been a sicknote and always will be a sicknote, you Dame Carole Black can fool around with words and call it want you want, as I said WE ARE NOT CALLING IT A FIT NOTE, there is nothing fit note about it.

    Understand what they are trying to do ? and fight against it, there’s no law that says YOU MUST CALL IT A FIT NOTE.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 3, 2012 @ 4:39 pm

  341. Thanks for that. My condition has actaully worsened and I am now on anti depressants so I will re-apply for ESA.

    Comment by Alan — December 3, 2012 @ 5:32 pm

  342. It’s still the same old nonsense Alan, £71 a week in a perpetual merry go round, the money they save on paying us goes to ATOS.
    Meanwhile 73 a week are dying after being found fit for work by ATOS.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 4, 2012 @ 9:38 am

  343. I consider myself to be one of the lucky ones who struggles and gets by. God knows how many people have or will take there own lives to find peace. My thoughts go out to everyone out there putting up a fight of any kind.

    Comment by Alan — December 4, 2012 @ 12:26 pm

  344. im dreading my appeal which will be in the new year, im on medication n sleeping tablets just for the worry and anxiety of going through this and i thought i was doing well prior to the changes but thats what i struggle with and god knows how im going to convince the atos team that i should be in the support group…but i wonder what support you acutaully receive from them as iv had none in the work related group im now in..i had a meeting in march n then again in nov n they question me to why it took so long …….my next work related meeting is in late jan hopefully after the appeal. my gp even staes im not fit for work and will be doing me a letter to help me but like everyone else here im not holding out to much hope but i do think if we all stick together and fight for our rights we will win in the end xx

    Comment by lorraine — December 4, 2012 @ 8:40 pm

  345. ATOS are reeling Lorraine, believe me, they are feeling the affects of all the criticism on the net and various newspapers, so it shouldn’t be too long before we get rid of them…http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/protesters-blast-tory-cuts-and-claim-1471720

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 4, 2012 @ 9:25 pm

  346. hi i am a 61 year old female i had a stroke 10 years ago and i am registered partially sighted i could not work and depended on now my x husband for support but i recieved dla middle rate care allowance and low rate mobility so when we split i went to the job centre and the claims advisor told me i was not fit for work as i could not see properly so i claimed esa they sent me for the examination and the so called doctor did not give me any points at all yes zero points
    so i am waiting for an apeal i have now been diagnoised with neuropathy and appled for extra help from the dwp. the looked at my claim and decided that i am not to get any benitfit at all because the so called doctor diddent give me any points regardless i have to use crutches to walk and i need a carerer to help me get about and look after me. this doctor tried to trip me up by asking me to read a date on a letter after telling him i could not see without my glasses and a magnifing glass he wasent interested in my neuropathy condition so now i have lost my benifit this has caused a great many problems for me i cant afford to go out i only get £71.00 esa so what next? do i carry on this horrible exsistance or go top my self

    Comment by sandra — December 19, 2012 @ 1:44 pm

  347. Hello Sandra.

    You don’t do anything daft, you just appeal and like the rest of us you survive on £71 a week ESA assessment rate until you win your appeal.
    All money they owe will be backdated when the appeal is finally heard and won.
    I myself have been receiving the assessment rate for the last 7 Months, I have won an appeal and still have to wait another 6 or 7 weeks to get back what they owe me. Patience truly is a virtue when dealing with the DWP.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 19, 2012 @ 3:17 pm


I have read of increasing Incapacity Benefit claimants committing suicide because
    of the cuts in their Incapacity Benefit, the pressure on them to work, where there
    are no jobs, causing them even deeper depression because of DWP harassment.


Harley Burton Mark Mullins and Helen Mullins:

    Mark and Helen Mullins were found lying side by side in their home after committing suicide together.They had been left destitute after Helen had her claim for benefit turned down,they had no food, no heating and no electric.

    Richard Sanderson:
    Richard Sanderson, of Southfields, south west London, committed suicide after receiving a letter from Wandsworth Council informing him his housing benefit would be cut by £30 a month.

    Martin Rust,
    Martin Rust, 36,a schizophrenic had his benefits cut and was ordered back to work.He left a note saying: “To those I love, I’m sorry. Goodbye.” Coroner William Armstrong said the DWP’s decision “caused distress and may well have had an adverse effect”, recording that Mr Rust had committed suicide while suffering from a treatment-resistant mental illness.

    Craig Monk
    Criag Monk. 43, was found hanging in his home, he had a a partial amputation of his leg and was described by his family as “vulnerable” he became depressed that his benefits had been cut.

    Colin Traynor
    Colin Traynor, who was a life long epileptic. He was assessed as fit for work, he appealed, but his parents say he became depressed and lost weight , he died less than four months later,the day after his death his parents found out he had won That appeal.

    David Groves
    David Groves, 56, died of a massive heart ­attack the night before his medical assessment as he sat at his computer and scoured the Internet for ways to raise cash in case he lost his entitlement.

    Elaine Christian
    Elaine Christian, 57, was found in a drain after walking out of her home. A post mortem revealed she had died from drowning, despite having more than ten self-inflicted cuts on her wrists.The inquest in Hull was told Mrs Christian had been deeply worried about a meeting she was due to have to discuss her entitlement to disability benefits.

    Christelle Pardo and Kayjah Pardo:
    Christelle Pardo,32 and Kayjah Pardo 6 months, After having all her income cut off and her housing benefit withdrawn, and with a baby to care for, she had been left destitute. When she begged for help the only response from the DWP was that she didn’t qualify under the rules,So she killed herself and her young child.

    Leanne Chambers:
    Leanne Chambers, 30, body was found in the river weir five months after she walked out of her home she had battled depression for a number of years and had taken a turn for the worse after receiving a letter telling her she had to be assessed by a doctor she did not know, to see if she was fit to return to work.

    Stephen Hill:
    Stephen Hill,53, Died of a heart attack a month after having his benefits were stopped, after being told his heart problem were not serious enough to stop him working.

    Mark Scott:
    Mark Scott, 46, who suffered from anxiety, epilepsy was left penniless when he was declared fit for work and his benefits were stopped.He died six weeks later in the Southport flat where he lived alone.
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    Comment by private — January 7, 2013 @ 7:43 pm

  349. How do you follow something like that? why does this world have a terrible knack of kicking us whilst we are down? The stress is unbearable my medical took place in Aug 2012 then my case went to review, I still havent had anything in writing as a concrete answer, an actual decision as such.
    I feel as though it could all go horribly wrong at any moment, every time the phone rings my heart skips a beat I am terrified in my own home, I will soon need to pay 14% of my rent out of my benefits for a spare room, the DWP cannot count DLA as income but the council can when they force you to pay rent you cannot afford to pay.

    Comment by N. — January 7, 2013 @ 8:33 pm

  350. These deaths are so unnecessary, it’s an absolute scandal, the Government and their thugs from the DWP have a lot to answer for..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 7, 2013 @ 10:20 pm

  351. Hello N.

    And you don’t want to call them either, it might put ideas in to their heads.
    No news is sometimes good news, as long as your still getting your money then worry about it some other time..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 7, 2013 @ 11:22 pm

  352. Thanks DwpEx,
    They told me I scored zero on the Atos visit but they asked for a statement from me, I am still a bag of nerves every brown or white envelope that hits the door mat terrifys me the phone ringing with an unknown ring tone terrifiys me the day before payday is probably the most stressful of all not knowing if they will just cut me off for good.

    those unsolicited phone calls with strange numbers start to really make you jumpy.

    Comment by N. — January 8, 2013 @ 1:09 pm

  353. Does anyone else resent being filed into a group known as shirkers?

    I think this is quite possibly incitement to cause unrest, amongst the general public and descrimination against those who are to ill to go out to work. Mr Cameron I’d run that by your legal team before you find yourself in trouble. if no-one looks at comments as sticks and stones anymore the goverments comments could really be construed as being defamatory.

    Comment by N. — January 8, 2013 @ 1:20 pm

  354. people may well find this interesting Article 28 is particularly interesting.


    Comment by N. — January 12, 2013 @ 1:48 pm

  355. eres a nurse who wrote my report for esa but has never seen me but put me in work related activity group an her report stands more than my gps report Practitioner details

    Joanne Barker
    Geographical locations:
    Cheshire and Merseyside
    Expiry date:

    Registration status:
    Caution order
    This nurse or midwife is allowed to practise without any restriction but has been made the subject of a caution order by a fitness to practise panel following an investigation into their fitness to practise.

    Register entry Start date
    Registered Nurse – Adult – Subject to restrictions above

    Comment by Anonymous — January 12, 2013 @ 5:30 pm

  356. Anonymous…If you believe you should be in the support group then you can appeal. there is nothing to lose..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 12, 2013 @ 5:52 pm

  357. Hello all, my name is Adrian i am 59 in febuary and have had osteoporosis for 14 years claim all benifits including disability and now have an appointment on the 22nd jan at atos wolverhampton and have just beeen reading these coments…i will be going in a wheelchair due to lack of movement and was wondering if anyone could give me some advise at all,?

    Comment by Adrian j Keene — January 14, 2013 @ 3:56 pm

  358. Hello Adrian.

    They will see that you managed there on your wheelchair and can propel your wheelchair and that means you will get zero points for the walking descriptor.
    But you can get points for the standing descriptor if you cannot stand unaided.
    ATOS will not give you those points of course, they will most likely give you zero, but that’s normal, it’s when you appeal, that’s when you need to gather the points.
    I believe cannot stand unaided is worth 15 points, and all you need is 15 points for ESA, you may have other health problems that can gain you points, even though you only need 15 it’s best to try and gain as many as possible.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 14, 2013 @ 5:21 pm

  359. Hi again, yes i understand the point system,,although i should have mention that i will be pushed there in the chair and cannot use my hands very well at all.{ years of playing the drums}.And as for the standing up position that wont happen either as it is my spine that has the problem.. I would a prieciate any more comments so i can get my head into gear for next week….. I am also thinking that if they do not see any movement from me at all then they might deside to make an home visit ,,,,,what do think ? I am so gratfull for your fast responce to my message and hope to hear more ,kindest regards, Adrian..

    Comment by Adrian j Keene — January 14, 2013 @ 5:34 pm

  360. Adrian,
    I went in my wheelchair, with a 25 year history of vascular disease and open leg ulcers I still scored zero even though I cannot stand without aid.
    you would be better off on crutches struggling to walk where both hands are occupied. if you can raise your hands above your head and turn your head left to right putting your chin on your shoulders you will score zero points, however if you are incontenant and can proove it you might stand a chance unfortunately I still scored zero for incontenance issues. this is supposed to award 15 points. I am supposed to sit in a wheelchair with a puddle beneath me all day at work in wet piss & shit filled underwear, acording to Atos.

    Comment by N. — January 14, 2013 @ 6:14 pm

  361. Adrian can you borrow or do you have a non-self propelled chair, if you are pushed in a self propelled chair you will still probably score zero.
    a chair with small wheels that cannot be self propelled might be better if someone is pushing you there, get your assistant to take notes of the interview what questions were asked and your answers. make a note of the persons name and qualifications are they medically trianed in your specific disability if not they have no bussiness acessing your disability
    and this will help your apeal process.

    Comment by N. — January 14, 2013 @ 6:23 pm

  362. Hi again yes i see your point about the wheel chair aand will see if i can borrow one like that…….I do feel this will end up at an apeal which is what my own dr warned me about……Again thanks for this info which i feel more comfortable with now…if i thinkof something else i will let you know so again thanks ,Adrian,,,,,

    Comment by Adrian j Keene — January 14, 2013 @ 9:49 pm

  363. Hello Adrian.

    Well you can’t mobilise, and that’s what it’s all about, can’t walk, can’t stand etc, an appeal win shouldn’t be a problem.
    As for ATOS ? well if you went in there in a coffin they would still say your fit for work.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 15, 2013 @ 1:19 am

  364. Adrian,
    I think if Atos say your fit for work your past history and GP/Doctors support records at the DWP will be taken into consuideration, My case was put up for review by the DWP and I had to write in with as much info as I could. The decision makers seem to have the power to ignore Atos if they want to. good luck.

    Comment by N. — January 15, 2013 @ 2:38 pm

  365. Yet again thanks for this info…..from what i have learned so far is,, that when i get to the assesment i feel like i will be assessing them instead.lol….And if i do question there qualifications in Osteoporosis or any other illness and say that i dont think they are so.. what would be the outcome/answer from them or would it just be better to be polite and say nothing as i intend to be pushed there and sit and move nothing whatsoever.And all my answers will be that i cannot do that ! or maybe i should move very little as to show i am breathing…….

    Comment by Anonymous — January 15, 2013 @ 5:52 pm

  366. I did mean to ask you what type of questions you were asked ???

    Comment by Anonymous — January 15, 2013 @ 5:54 pm

  367. Hi Anonymous.

    The questions are similar to your ESA50 questionnaire, stuff like can you raise your hands above your head (Surrender) or can you cook a meal, how far can you walk etc.
    Then they lie about you to the DWP and say that you said you can walk no problem, can cook a meal no problem, even if you said you can’t cook a meal they will just say you said you can, they might say that you have a car (On the basis of being in possession of a driving licence) and go shopping regularly and you are capable of carrying three or four big message bags on your own etc.
    Bu HEY…don’t take my word for it, wait until you see your ESA85, better to swallow a stiff drink first before you open the envelope.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 15, 2013 @ 7:54 pm

  368. Anonymous,
    I think most of the above was wrapped up in one question set to trap me and the question was “do you live alone?” if the answer is yes to this then you are in their eyes capeable of doing most things and ipso-facto capeable of working never mind the fact that you might need a helper to come round and get you dressed in the mornning and undressed at night, your nervousness may prevent you from answering the question fully. even if you rely upon pre-prepared microwave meals you are capeable of operating a machine to cook with the questions are set to trap you which is very unfair, if you drive to the Atos centre you are again capeable of working as a driver again set to trap you into recieving zero points.
    personally I think every question should allow an interval of so many minutes to answer it but they lead you to answer either yes or no which doesnt let you elaberate beyond yes or no, they do not have the time or attention to discuss anything with you as they are to busy typing on their computer ignoring you. this is a terrible way to treat human beings, who at the very least expect a human response like that of a real health proffessional.

    Comment by N. — January 15, 2013 @ 8:21 pm

  369. maybe we should each elect at the meetings to have our assistance write the questions down as well as the answers and then get them to sign them and copied etc…….or as i am going to do which is record the whole meeting for my own defence…..,

    Comment by Anonymous — January 15, 2013 @ 8:46 pm

  370. sorry for replying to a question already on here that i cant answer but i was unable to find how to start a new topic, i tried and ended up lost and baffled by it all.
    I have read many posts on here and im heartbroken by the ailments suffered that cause the ability to be unfit for work and there are days were i question my own disabilty as i suffer mental rather than physical. If people are failing at the hands of ATOS with phyisical how on earth is someone to’win; with mental difficulties. I need help with getting to the centre not with a wheel chair with with my mind as i cant go alone and if made to i would overdose the night before as i cant cope with something im not familair with on a day t o day basis…i need to write more but i get mixed up and lost so i give up but i was wondering if those at ATOS were medically trained to deal with peope in mental health as thats were i am and have been for a number of years and even though i have had treatment and theraphy its not a quick 12 moth fix at the end to get a job

    Comment by lottie — January 15, 2013 @ 8:59 pm

  371. Hi Lottie, i would suggest that to get a friend to help and speak for you if that is allowed..

    Comment by Anonymous — January 15, 2013 @ 9:05 pm

  372. Lottie,
    perhaps because you don’t do well with change and unfamiliar places it might be reasonable to ask them to come to your home for a home visit.
    you could still have someone there with you to take notes.

    Comment by N. — January 15, 2013 @ 9:22 pm

  373. Hi Everyone, having had a daughter who is disabled and unable to take a job, due to her severe physical and mental highs and lows, when she went for her assessment with her sister to support her, I discussed this with her and she agreed that she should request a full audio recording of the whole session should she need to appeal the decision.
    She was told that this would be difficult, however, with my support, she then made the demand that whether or not Atos would have a recording she had a human right (does work for you sometimes!) to have a recording and demanded it.
    This was of course agreed to.
    So this would be my first suggestion to ensure a proper and fair assessment
    My question is, why has the UK government given this task, amongst others, to a French owned company costing many tens of millions of pounds sterling – do we not have a UK company capable of handling this very sensitive subject and rooting out the true malingerers whilst still supporting the true sufferers?

    Comment by Anonymous — January 27, 2013 @ 2:49 pm

  374. Hi Anonymous.

    The answer is because corporate business knows no borders, the big shots don’t care what Country they are from because they really are all in it together, they didn’t mean they were all in it together with the likes of us..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 27, 2013 @ 5:29 pm

  375. Having read some of the previous, very sad inditements of the Atos Co, I help my daughter as much as I can, but live around 150 miles away.
    However, I have spoken to her local County Councillor, who also spoke with the area MP for advice, help and support and they have been great.
    Additionally, her local Citizens Advice Bureau have also been a great help and you could possibly get some free legal advice from them on the subject of why is the assessor only a GP., a nurse, or a Midwife, yes, they told me that a Midwife is medically trained to make assessments.
    My argument was that there are hundreds and hundreds of different disabilities that there really should be an assessor who is specifically trained in the disability that is being assessed, but I believe that this fell on stony ground.
    Oh and there are several assessment centres who do not allow wheelchair access as the offices are not on the ground floor and if there was an emergency, say a fire, the lift could not be used – can you believe it, and these are disability assessment centres – you really could not make it up.
    Hope this might help some of you in this difficult situation.

    Comment by Springy — January 27, 2013 @ 11:02 pm

  376. I am almost beginning to believe I am a true melingerer, after 35 yrs work then serious head injury, coma, brain surgery etc etc, cameron and duncan smith or who-ever is responsible really seem to enjoy putting myself and many others through the yearly torment of asessments appeals etc, when,when will Atos get what is surely coming their way, abolished!! please

    Comment by neil — January 28, 2013 @ 11:00 am

  377. If you are able, then may I suggest that you get a current letter from your doctor/specialist and speak with your local county councillor for a meeting with your local MP, as well as speaking with your local CAB for free legal advice.
    If for any reason your are not able, through your disability, then I again suggest you buddy up with an able bodied friend and/or family member, because going through this iniquitous procedure on your own is emotionally draining, never mind physically draining.
    You might also consider writing a letter to the PM too, can’t do any harm.
    But, do not expect immediate miracles, this will take time, so do try to be patient, even though this may be very, very difficult – hope this might help and good luck

    Comment by Springy — January 28, 2013 @ 1:23 pm

  378. We can all help by signing the petition

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 28, 2013 @ 1:28 pm

  379. Apologies for ignorance where can I sign the petition I did’nt know there was one thanks

    Comment by neil — January 28, 2013 @ 4:34 pm

  380. Hi Neil.

    Sack ATOS petition.


    Comment by dwpexamination — January 28, 2013 @ 8:13 pm

  381. ESA stopped 5/12/12 after loosing my appeal. Re-applied for ESA stating my condition was worsening. Recieved a reply back 4 weeks later stating that my application was rufused and I could not put another claim in for 6 month, unless my condition had worsened. I wrote straight back complaining, also threatening legal advice / action. My circumstances have now ‘changed’ all of a sudden and I am entitled to ESA from 11/12/12. What a carry on.

    Comment by Anonymous — February 1, 2013 @ 5:12 pm

  382. Hi No. 383 Comment, may I refer you back to the suggestions made by me, Springy, on 28th January.
    I really do understand how difficult it must be to face these people and fight them, because I have a similar problem with my disabled daughter. Although she is intelligent and clever, this difficult situation drains her mentally and physically and she has continued with help from everyone we can muster, including the threat of us taking legal action, so I can only suggest that you do the same and try to buddy up with a completely able bodied friend or family member – good luck

    Comment by Springy — February 1, 2013 @ 6:47 pm

  383. It was useless obtainning a certificate from my GP as I was told in a round about way that Atos had incinuated that if they gave their patients certificates this may eb=entually been seen as an interfearence in the process and because Atos manage the Doctors Pensions it may have an effect on this. how the hell are we suppsed to get any support from our NHS service? still waiting for a decision five months after my initial assesment and three months after a review of my case. my advice wouldbe to write in and ask that they write to you with your decision it will steady your nerves every time the telephone rings, their guide book says they must use all digital means to contact you but the client must write in if they want their communication in writing which I have done, If you want a papertrail to proove something this is the best way for them to contact you, in writing.

    Comment by N. — February 1, 2013 @ 7:28 pm

  384. They sometimes try it on, and it looks like they tried it on with you, we will find this will be more common as time goes by because the DWP don’t know there assess from their elbows and are getting all confused with what’s what.
    Apparently word on the street is the DWP are psychologically at rock bottom at the moment.

    There’s a bullying culture in the DWP, a pecking order, where the top alpha rooster pecks the Alpha hen and the Alpha hen pecks the next hen and on and on it goes all the way down the line threatening each other with the sack if they don’t pull their weight and bully the ill and disabled and the unemployed at the bottom of the heap.

    A typical day in any DWP office must be like an 18th Century lunatic asylum.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 1, 2013 @ 8:44 pm

  385. I have just been speaking to an old friend I have not heard from for a while he was contacted by the DWP after filling out the inital assesment form and they have decided not to asses him at all he has a crumbling lower spine and he is dislexic they are transfering his claim to the new benefit without a visit to Atos or any new medical evidence submitted.
    it would seem that there are various different stories from different claiments right across the board, it all depends who deals with your case and what mood they are in at the time. perhaps the targets for this area have been reached and the pressure is off who knows?

    Comment by N. — February 1, 2013 @ 8:51 pm

  386. Hi, i am not sure if anyone is aware of this or not, as i have not seen it mention on any foums. go to the DWP website and use the a-z on illness’s. click on your ilness and it will explain your ilness, and reccomendations for working envioments, i beleave this is what the decision makers use when making a decision on a claim, backed up by your Atos assesment and possibly doctors notes. chances are if they say that work can be done with the support or adaptions then the likely outcome will be you “are fit for work”. there are referencees to some illness’s advising the DM to seek advice from the departments medical service provider if nesscessary, which i cannot find as yet. only a site that does an audit, i shall leave a link on that. Unfortunatly it looks like the departments medical service provider is none other than ATOS health care and with the assesment papers already at hand then there would be no need for any conversation to take place. This may be of some use to some people if they dont know, and apoligise if this is already known and not to wast peoples time reading this. This will come as no suprise that i have not yet seen an ilness/disabilty on the site that says “unfit for work”.

    Comment by dean — February 4, 2013 @ 9:12 pm

  387. Cheers for that Dean..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 4, 2013 @ 9:41 pm

  388. everyone on here just send it all in to your mp,and hopefully they will take notice,the more of us disabled that stand together,and get the press like in scotland did,all the people that have lost family friends,post it over to cameron,with all your experiences,hopefully we will somehow stand together,and take this government to the courts of human rights,atos were given the contract by this government,they should be sued,and never again let lose on human beings,there is enough evidence with the amount of people suffering,pressure is what we all need and the more we complaine they have to listen,why are we sitting on this,uprise lets get some guts,fight for our rights as human beings.shame on you atos and dwp,when are we going to have this government sued!,and taken to the court of human rights?

    Comment by Anonymous — February 6, 2013 @ 6:05 am

  389. It has to end before it gets to the court of human rights because it takes to long to get there. That’s why Blair signed the human rights act, because it’s difficult to take a case of human rights abuse all the way to there, the reason why is because anyone with a complaint regarding human rights abuse has to go through and exhaust every domestic avenue first, only when that’s done (And that can take years) will the court of human rights allow them to get involved.

    Blair didn’t sign the human rights act because he’s altruistic and a nice man, he signed it so his wife and his friends in low places could make money.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 6, 2013 @ 8:16 am

  390. we would have a very hard time sueing the goverment they have so much legislation wrapped around themselves in a honeycomb to protect them from any such action.they are virtually untouchable and they know it.
    The problem is that Atos do other things within other bussinesses in the UK they organise the health plans of the post office staff and manage the pensions of our GP’s which is all claimed to be a massive sucess and all this so called sucess would be used against us in their defence, they have to firm a foothold in the bussiness world to suggest that they are corrupt.

    Comment by N. — February 6, 2013 @ 10:52 am

  391. Besidfes that I firmly suspect that any goverment minister hiring such a large company and paying such a large amount for their services has shares in that company, probably owned by distant members of each MP’s family, so as to not attract attention to themselves. the expenses scandal was just one tiny fiddle there are obviously many other perks to becomming an MP
    and many other ways to increase your income, through fair gain or foul.

    Comment by N. — February 6, 2013 @ 10:57 am

  392. People are sick fed up to the back teeth with ATOS, some unfortunate souls have resorted to violence on ATOS workers, and it can only get worse, this abuse of claimants by ATOS should stop, then maybe the abuse of ATOS workers by claimants will stop..!!


    Comment by dwpexamination — February 6, 2013 @ 11:06 pm

  393. dwp,
    I understand you arer angry -very angry as are many many others, it seems to be a thing that it always repeated that Atos do not make the decisions.
    In my own personal experience this has rung true, I was found fit for work by Atos but the DWP ignored that assesment and put my case up for review.
    I can understand the anger that people have with help I provided a 15 page letter with my initial form explanning my condition and health problems.
    I think the more information people can send in to the DWP with the initial form the better prepared they should be when the atos report comes in. they should then be able to see a problem between a possible false Atos report and the typed information provided by the claiment.

    Comment by N. — February 7, 2013 @ 1:43 am

  394. The decision maker ? its all a con, ATOS makes the decisions, the decision maker cannot possibly make a decision on benefits simply because they have no medical experience.
    But sometimes the decision maker deliberately finds a person who is at deaths door fit for work (even though advised by ATOS ALMOST DEAD) simply because they can, and they want to look important.

    There is no such thing as a POSSIBLE FALSE ATOS REPORT, they are all false, even the reports that give the go ahead to receive benefits are false, they can’t get anything right because they are all programmed to receive their bonuses and avoid being carpeted by playing down everyone’s illnesses.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 7, 2013 @ 6:39 am

  395. If this is any help,,, i was told to my face by the so called atos Dr {after some questioning about my condition-leaving the room for some advise and to photo copy my prepared illness and hospital records to show how it affected my life} that he had seen enough and he guaranteed my benifits would continue….I have had comfirmation via a phone call from the dwp 2 weeks later confirming this…. I would advise anyone going to an assesment with a serious condition to play the game as if it were your last..as there are cameras in waiting rooms ? dont sign anything cos you cant write. get someone to do it for you…even filling in the form they sent you in the first place. basically dont move….go in a wheel chair that has only got small wheels….and you steer it with your feet when at home………..etc …get the picture……

    Comment by Anonymous — February 7, 2013 @ 11:26 am

  396. Couldn’t agree more, definitely play the game. My earlier suggestion still stands, which is to get someone to go with you as an aide and if a lady, do not wear make up. Do also be very careful as not only do they have internal cameras, but frequently external cameras too and we found that the taxi company they are contracted with and they used to ferry my daughter also had a camera. Now I am not suggesting that this video would be available, but you simply cannot be too careful.
    Simply get all the external help you can and do write a letter to the PM and the Health Minister with your concerns and complaints – people power is very powerful.
    In fact, write with a copy to all of these:-
    The Rt Hon Jeremy Hunt MP Secretary of State Overall responsibility
    Norman Lamb MP Minister of State Care services, mental health, disabilities
    Daniel Poulter MP Parliamentary Under Secretary of State Health services
    Anna Soubry MP Parliamentary Under Secretary of State Public health, devolved matters
    The Earl Howe Parliamentary Under Secretary of State Quality, NHS Constitution, primary care, medicines

    Comment by Springy — February 7, 2013 @ 5:02 pm

  397. Today my son received his ATOSSERS appointment date for his asessment. He has severe personality disorder since early years (first noticed aged 7, and psychiatric care on and off since) has been on mental health care four times since he was 18. He has extreme difficulty dealing with strangers, and appears agressive when upset (although he has never actually been agressive ). three times he has attempted suicide. last attempt he fractured his spine. Since then he has suffered serious spine trouble, has 4 prolapsed discs in lower back and 2 more between his shoulder blades. He has been told by consultants that this damage is irreversible because the earlier fracture has caused degenerative spine disease. We informed them of this on his questionairre, so it should be obvious that his day to day mobility is affected. This is the ‘suggested journey plan’ to the asessment.

    Walk – woolwich Dlr 8mins
    Train – canning town 6 mins
    walk – canning town underground – jubilee line underground 1min
    train – jubilee underground – Baker street underground 23mins
    walk- baker streetunderground – baker street underground 2mins (changing from one line to another within the station)
    Train – baker street underground – marylebone station 2mins
    Walk – marylebone underground – assesment centre 9mins

    A total journey time of 55mins in their estimation. Anyone who is familiar with London transport will know the truth.
    7 changes of journey
    I would love to say what I think of this, and of those responsible, but unfortunately the list of expletives in the english language is not sufficient.
    I shall of course be contacting them ASAP tommorow.
    I could not do so today, as when my son received this letter (he lives a few streets away) he became extremely upset, and locked himself away. I finally found out this evening after we couldnt get contact with him for several hours today.

    Comment by Podo — February 14, 2013 @ 11:44 pm

  398. Hi podo.

    You need to get help from his GP in the form of a fax or letter sent to ATOS stating that he cannot do what they ask, therefore please arrange a home visit.

    Unfortunately ATOS will still refuse, well in most cases they do, so it’s a battle of who will give in first, because ATOS do not want to attend home visits, apparently it costs them money, and their HCPs are scared of being beaten up with disaffected claimants.

    If I was an ATOS worker I would be scared too, wouldn’t you ? after all the hassle they’ve gave people over the last four years (Like those stupid direction maps to people with degenerative spines et al) they should be scared.

    So you can expect them to refuse to come to your home and threaten him with lose of benefits if he does not attend their assessment centre, if he sticks to his guns we have found as long as the GP gives written support then ATOS give in first because they see that the claimant is willing to lose their benefits.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 15, 2013 @ 8:22 am

  399. Hi all, After dealing with atos assesment face to face And coming out the other side into the support group.. I now See and hear about the DLA of which i get the higher rate of mobilty which is essential to my way of life …So i am wondering if the atos assesment results and photo copies of my illness that they took will be used for the DLA assesment if and when ?? regards, …Peter.

    Comment by Anonymous — February 15, 2013 @ 9:52 am

  400. Hi Podo, obviously, the Atos people have no heart and if you saw the programme, Dispatches – Britain on the Sick you will realise how the Assessors are coached to assume that everyone is guilty until proven innocent.
    I had major problems trying to support my disabled daughter and if you look at my Comments nos. 376 and 377 above on this page you will se how you can get hold of a copy of this from Hardcash Productions, which is what we did and I hope you will see how we set about planning to defeat their system, but muster all the names, help and support that you can, it is so important and confidence building for the person to be assessed – hope this helps and good luck.

    Comment by Springy — February 15, 2013 @ 10:34 am

  401. If you fail the ATOS assesment they usually use it against you, but as in your case you pass the ATOS assessment and get the support group then they don’t use it for you, which means a new assessment is possibly on the cards, but sometimes the decision maker relents in your favour saving you from being re-assessed, let’s hope so in your case.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 15, 2013 @ 1:19 pm

  402. I recently had a medical and failed it I had one 4 years ago and passed at that time I was not as bad and was not taking morphine like now .i don’t get it the medical was all about what is not wrong with me or weather I watch telivision ect my problem was stated in the report but nothink was said about the pain I am in, the whole medical was a sham I struggled down the twenty meter corridor and she put in I did it with ease infact I realy struggled and I took my time also I had to take of a shoe and she said I did that with ease and managed to put my sock and shoe and type my laces with ease, mmm well I don’t have laces I wear backless special shoes because I can not have anythink touching my ankle if anythink does it swells up and I am in a hell of a lot more pain pluss I don’t have to bend down to put my shoes on so she must have been lying I have not worn proper shoes for 8 years .

    Comment by Paul Hessey — February 15, 2013 @ 1:58 pm

  403. Hello Paul.

    Times have changed since four years ago, in October 2008 the new WCA came in, as opposed to the older PCA, this brought in the descriptors, and as you know is just a tick box assessment, the older PCA was more of a medical but this newer WCA was not a medical, but according to them a functional assessment on your ability to work, none of them have ever explained why we need medical evidence if this is so.

    So for the moment (Until they see sense) we need to get this idea that it’s a medical we are attending rather than an assessment on our functional ability out of our heads.

    And it’s based on the Psycho social model, this means that there is – according to them – no such thing as pain, because as they claim pain is all in the head, all in the mind and can be controlled by using mind over matter, of course if you hit one of them on the kneecap with a hammer we would soon see whether pain was in their minds or not, I strongly suspect not.

    But there we have it, they are not interested in how much pain you are in, they are interested if you can do it or not, if you cannot stand because your back just can’t take the load (Degenerative disc ?) then you may gain points on these descriptors because it’s ultra viries (Not capable off) rather than how much pain you are in, because it can still be possible to stand even if you were in excruciating pain.

    So when you appeal then you need to find a way round it, talking about pain will get you nowhere with these people, you need to explain that you cannot walk that certain distance because your legs or back or whatever cannot take the load and you most definitely have to stop to rest in order to recover.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 15, 2013 @ 6:43 pm

  404. hello. my wife has another atos medical in two days, she is only 28 but has cripling multiple sclerosis. she was diagnosed at 21 and its been a downhill degenerative disease for her, at her last medical she was in a wheelchair and could not move and could barely speak, she FAILED her medical, we did it all by the book, told the complete truth and she was still failed,the ‘dr’ made up complete lies and twisted everything we said. we appealed and won of course but now she is due another medical, she cant walk,talk,swallow see or understand things, has no memory and is very very ill, she was this way before and still failed so we are worried she will fail again, because she has no outward signs of disability other that her wheelchair they cant see the illness and ignore it, i will have to talk for her completly, the last time they pushed her through a non wheelchair access door and scraped the skin off her hand, we didnt notice till we got home as she cant feel anything from the shoulders down. the guy last time told her to stand up and i told him she cant and he just looked at me like i was lying, he made her do things and she was crying in pain but when we received the report it said she could do all things requested with no difficulty but when asked to stand up he said she just refused. these people are pure evil, my wife doesnt deserve to be treated this way and im very scared about this next one, my wife is confused and is so upset at having to go and i dont now what to do or say at this exam to make it easier for her to pass, i feel like iv got to find a way for her to pass cos being legit disabled just doesnt seem enough for them. any advice would be great thanks Ash

    Comment by Ash — March 6, 2013 @ 3:32 pm

  405. Hi Ash, I can really understand your wife’s and your desperate concerns, as I have been asomewhat involved with Atos and my daughter’s disability problem.
    I am not trying to say that I have all the answers, but if you check back on this site and look at my original comments on items 376, 377 and 399 there might be some additional ideas you can use for help and support that you have not yet considered.
    Do not give up and do not be afraid to ask for help from anyone who might have some good advice for you.
    Good luck and I hope this helps – Springy

    Comment by Springy — March 6, 2013 @ 5:04 pm

  406. Hello Ash.

    You need to understand it’s all a con to force you to appeal, the HCP doesn’t get a bonus if they pass you as unfit for work.
    It’s all about money, but money for them not for us, it’s a disgrace, and these politicians all know it’s happening.

    I wish I had good news to tell you, but all I can say is that a small group of people are passing the test, and if the worst happens then an appeal will be successful for your wife, we are all in the same boat, having to appeal, meanwhile these criminals are making money out of us at the expense of the taxpayer.

    We are starting to believe that ATOS have a list every morning, so many pass, and so many fail, it’s as if it’s all arranged before we are even assessed or seen.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 6, 2013 @ 8:53 pm

  407. I think i am one of the lucky ones who passed by sitting in a wheelchair not a self propaired one…small wheels.. Didnt move very much in case of cameras. got my aid to do every thing for me whilst in there including drinking some water from a bottle which he held….had a hidden digital recorder for future reference. couldnt do any movements because of illness. Plus my frind took notes on a clipboard.. What i am getting at is it is all an act from them so do the same as them…thats what helped me… From what i read on here it also depends on which area you live in….what i think did it for me was that i was passed on to a so called neurologist after saying that i got pins and needles to a so called nurse….. Acting lesson can help///they have…

    Comment by Anonymous — March 7, 2013 @ 9:09 am

  408. Hi Anonymous.

    A fairer assessment test would be better and you/we won’t have to resort to their methods, I do appreciate why you have to do that though.

    Maybe one day we will get rid of ATOS and a new fairer system installed in it’s place.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 7, 2013 @ 10:37 am

  409. I urge anyone going through this unfair process to watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyqLFDetqBc
    The parlimentry debate on Atos in January 2013 it is very long about 3 hours but well worth a watch, MP’s are really pissed of with Atos and the way they treat their constituants it is hard to believe at the end of it the minister for thwe DWP actually defends Atos after all the MPs present confirm that Atos are actually causing deaths.

    Comment by N. — March 7, 2013 @ 1:25 pm

  410. thanks to those who replied, what a horrible unessassary experience to have to put a lot (not all are deserving) of people through. does anyone have a template of such of the questions that are actually asked? we cant remember from previous times and id like to be prepared this time round. also what would be relevant and acceptable answers to them? thanks again. Ash

    Comment by Ash — March 7, 2013 @ 3:18 pm

  411. Hell Ash.

    The questions vary from person to person, depending on their particular illness.
    If you have back pain they may ask how far you can walk, how long you can stand and sit, how you do your shopping, can you cook a meal using a microwave, how do you get around, did you arrive by car or public transport and so on.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 7, 2013 @ 6:59 pm

  412. Ash,
    just remember that your assesment begins in the waiting room and not in the assesment room, if you can propel a self propelled wheelchair to the assesment room you can get out and about on your own without assistance.
    it is not just the questions that are set to trap you.

    Comment by N. — March 7, 2013 @ 8:15 pm

  413. I would just like to add that the goverment keep saying that previous goverments during the 80′s and 90′s abandannoned us for a life on benefits.
    This is a gross lie as many of us either on incapacity/disability benefits were officially written off by our consultants and GP’s Not the goverment of the day at all. What Planet are these polaticians actually living on?
    where do they get off blamming our circumstances on the previous administraitions when decissions were made by our medical proffessionals and not goverment?

    Comment by N. — March 7, 2013 @ 8:23 pm

  414. well we are back from the atos exam and it was not a plesant experience at all. the chap was very friendly but i was very aware of his attempts to try to make us feel comfortable so we would trip up but we didnt, we recorded the entire exam (not illegal if its not given to a third party) its for our own recolection for future reference. i also took lost of notes.the guy asked very simple questions and we gave simple short answers yet he seemed to be typing an awful lot. he tried to take my wife out her wheelchair to no avail (i was very shocked) he tried to get her to move her legs,hands neck etc also to no avail. i detected a very sarcastic tone in his voice throughout.at the end of the exam he said ‘dont worry m.s is very substantial’ im confused, we were told that just having m.s wasnt enough at our last exam and now its ‘substantial’ anyway im not holding my breath that shes passed, iv been dealt a blow last time. ill let you all know how we get on but iv got the appeal papers ready. here are all the questions he asked

    how long have u had m.s?..are u aware of a recent relapse? (are u serious? duh)..have you had ongoing problems?…are u on iterferon?…when was your last pregnancy?… how long have you been in the wheelchair?…when were u last in hospital?…what areas of your body hurt?….how long have u been incontinent?…are your mental health problems due to your m.s?…what meds u on?….what are the side effects of meds?….do they help?…who lives at home?…how is your home adapted?….when did u last work?…what is your sleeping pattern like?….how do u get around outside?….tested hand movements…do u receive physio?….can u swallow?…what fluids do u drink?….tested leg,arm and hand strength,

    the ‘medical’ itself lasted only 20 minutes and i feel like the questions were a bit rediculous seeing as all those answers are in the form i filled out and he had in front of him… who knows? just a waiting game now :(

    Comment by Ash — March 8, 2013 @ 3:58 pm

  415. Hello Ash.

    The questions do vary from person to person, just depends on what health issues are reported to them.
    And all their questions are supposed to relate to your functional ability at a work station.
    Basically if you can maneuver a finger to push a button then according to their twisted logic you are fit to stand at a work station all day.
    Do let us know the result ? and best of luck..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 8, 2013 @ 5:46 pm

  416. I live in a rural area and due to have my first ATOS assessment on 18th. I have arranged recording equipment for the appointment. I’m due to go into hospital on the 28th for a knee op. I can’t get the bus as it is to painful to walk to and from bus stops, driving is uncomfortable for the hour drive to the assessment place. To top it all I am having bursts of aura migraine so not really safe to drive at the moment as the stress of it it the trigger.

    I have a condition called ‘Post Interferon Syndrome’ which is just making itself noticed from other people who have Hepatitis C or are responders like me. There have been cases in the USA but not here as we were behind the USA starting treatments. The treatment has caused alterations in the body from joint deterioration, pain, fatigue, cognitive changes, eye sight deterioration, and lasting feelings of apathy, depression/anxiety. I have had 5 operations on various joints now and bloods show no reason why…funny that.

    I have tried voluntary work and found I can manage a day or two, but spend the rest of the week recovering resulting in low energy and sleeping it off for long stretches just so I can cook dinner…lol

    I have no doubt by sunday night or monday I will have another aura attack, which means I’m unable not to mention unsafe to be mobile. What happens if I call them and tell them I cannot make it as it would be unsafe for me to so? I do want to get this over…but I know myself far too well. My GP is aware of my increase in migraine as I went to see her this week, and know they have not contacted her for any medical reports.

    So, people…what will happen so I can prepare myself mentally…will they rebook this one off event as I’m unable and not cancelling?

    I’m an retired Nurse now so I know the ropes but this has me worried.

    Advice please…

    Comment by Alys — March 14, 2013 @ 1:46 pm

  417. Hi Alys,

    You are allowed to request a home visit, so I suggest that this is what you do.
    Also arm yourself with any and all reports you can get from doctors and specialists, which, if they do nothing else, will give you a little more confidence that you are at least a little in control of the situation and your life.
    I would also suggest that you have a very strong minded person, either friend or relative, with you, as a sort of “appropriate other” to help and support you if things get a little tough or the assessor is being a tad unfair.
    Hope this helps and good luck.

    Comment by Springy — March 14, 2013 @ 5:08 pm

  418. i had my appel for dla mobility high rate. anyway they sent a doctor to see me at home.but he has put in the report that i can walk 50 meters per minute and i would be abble to walk 125 meters before severe pain but he never asked to see me walk outdoors. is this likely to mean i lose my appel

    Comment by scott — March 22, 2013 @ 3:51 pm

  419. scott, if I were you I would get a copy of the report and appeal on the basis that you were only asked to walk indoors so how can your walking ability be accessed for a greater distance covered outdoors? I assume your living room is 50 meters square is it not? lyeing scumbags they are.

    Comment by N. — March 22, 2013 @ 6:04 pm

  420. I went with my sister to her examination and when the letter came saying refused i thought it was for somebody else as half of what was said wasnt true

    Comment by Josephine Suddery — March 26, 2013 @ 5:48 pm

  421. my wife has had a heart attack in the last year she allso has diabitas group 2 and has high blood pressure in the last 10 years
    she also has a hip problem that doctors say just just down to age shes 53 not exsatly old she was refuced dla i asked her to apeal but
    throw the stress of filling in the forms she said she didint whant to do it i would just like some advice on what other people thing should
    she get the help i truely feel she should but its a such a stress dealing with thes pepole id be greatfull for any advice thanks
    regards jamie

    Comment by jamie — March 26, 2013 @ 7:04 pm

  422. Get a report from your specialist and doctor and visit the Citizens Advice Bureau for referral to a solicitor for legal advice before making any decisions – good luck

    Comment by Springy — March 26, 2013 @ 8:56 pm

  423. Hi Josephine.

    Same here, I had to check my insurance number at the top of the ESA65 just in case they really had made a mistake and confused me with someone else.
    There have been cases where people have received other folks ESA85 assessment reports though, shocking isn’t it ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 27, 2013 @ 12:43 am

  424. This Atos organisation is so poorly run and so lacking in empathy for the people they assess that really, everyone who has posted on this website and many others too, and I do mean everyone, should personally contact their MP and request that they bring the problem up in parliament and that the MP demands an investigation into what takes place and how.
    Just out of interest, when I was endeavouring to find out what qualification in her specific disability the assor would have, remembering that there are hundreds and hundreds of very different disabilities, I was told, and I quote “they are all medically trained” and when I pursued it further, was told “it will be a GP, a nurse or a midwife” a midwife, oh please, you really could not make it up.
    People power is still one of the most potent weapons we have, BUT, it means that everyone must do this – good luck to everyone.

    Comment by Springy — March 27, 2013 @ 10:01 am

  425. was dreading the tribunal today so much so i overdosed on meds last night n was taken to a&e. ended up dicharrging myself so i could attend and im now in the support group and for the next 2 years at least…just go to wait for the back dated pay
    good luck eveyone else

    Comment by lottie — March 27, 2013 @ 12:45 pm

  426. Hello lottie.

    Just to make you aware, the two year recommendation is just that, a recommendation from the appeal panel.
    ATOS can disregard that and assess you anyway so keep abreast of what’s happening out there just in case.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 27, 2013 @ 1:51 pm

  427. I too was assessed by a midwife and found fit for work, the lies that woman spun was disgraceful, I thought she got me all mixed up with someone else, but it was true it was me she was talking about..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 27, 2013 @ 1:59 pm

  428. I can only reiterate what I have already suggested – everyone needs, in fact MUST, contact their local MP and lay a very simply complaint against them and insist that Atos is investigated, simply because of the huge number of exceedingly poorly treated disabled persons.
    You can always start by contacting your local county councillor and ask them to speak with the appropriate MP.
    At one and the same time, everyone should write a very, very simply letter, or note even, directly to David Cameron, asking for his help.
    There will be, as ever, strength in numbers.

    Comment by Springy — March 27, 2013 @ 2:46 pm

  429. i have another form to full in and i know im goin to be refused i have no hope in atos at all i feel like im been hounded hunted down by a pack off wolfs it feels like every month iv haveing to get letters fromy my doctor to say i cant attend interviews i admire the people on this sight i worte just last night about my wife for advice iv lost my marrage and damaged my kids throw my illness i cant take anymore punishment i feel like just ending it all i dont see a point fighting anymore thes people at atos just dont care i dont have the will or the mind to fight back im sorry if my message sounds down but its how i feel i whant to thank the people who run this sight and the pepole who post on it your all a great bunch of people i suffer from severe anxiety panick attacks and depression i do also have learning difficultys and ended up with a drink problem becuse of the years i used drink to hide my illness it worked for a long time but now im been pushed over the edge atos and this govement have no heart or care maby my illness isint as bad as a lot of pepoles are i realise that but i cant do the things ther asking of me im 46 years old iv never worked not becuse i didint whant to but becuse i coudint i know thers been people that have took ther life throw atos if i have the guts then i will be the next iv not even fillied in my forms and i feel this bad i remember what happined with my last review around 6 months ago i was told i had to sighn on only the woman who called me from the job center after speacking to made them change ther mind im sacred why dose it have to be this way im sorry to everyone for goin about my self here bit iv been reading on this sight for a while now and find you to be such nice and helpfull pepole but i think were all loseing out now to atos ther animals who have no heart god bless each and every one you and to the ones who opend this sight i thank you i think your saveing peoples lives here with the help you give and advice

    Comment by jamie — March 27, 2013 @ 8:31 pm

  430. Sorry to hear about your tragic situation Jamie, but you have got to get some help.
    Either a family member or a sympathetic friend and go with them to your local Citizens Advice Bureau and ask for some legal help and advice.
    Also contact your own county councillors and tell them your situation and ask for help.
    Never be afraid to ask for help Jamie, it means that you are a stronger person by recognising your problem, NOT a weaker one – as the saying goes “just do it” and good luck.

    Comment by Springy — March 27, 2013 @ 11:03 pm

  431. Hello Jamie.

    Would you be surprised if I told you that I felt like you once upon a time ? just a few years ago.

    I decided instead of harming myself to make it my life’s ambition to stay alive long enough to not only help destroy ATOS but to see their demise as well, the thought of dying and not see ATOS come to a dreadful end doesn’t bear thinking about, you can do the same, keep going and help us (even in a small way).

    You can start by taking the poll in the Huffington post ”Is Iain Duncan Smith a ratbag ?” it’s just below the video on the link provided.

    And when you feel a little better, log into our sister site and learn your rights, exercise your right to be informed of this Governments intention towards us.

    Regards Joe.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 27, 2013 @ 11:26 pm

  432. hi i would like to say thanks so very much for responding to my message im so greatfull to know that ther is people out ther who do understand im goin to go to my doctors tomorrow and try explane to him how im feeling i allso watched the vodeo it dose show pepole realy are trying to stand up to atos and the govement i have to say this has giveing me little bit off hope im sorry to everyone for sounding so defeted its great that we have a sight like this thanks again to the owners of this sight and all who use it

    Comment by jamie — March 27, 2013 @ 11:56 pm

  433. Atos has done more damage to my father than you can ever imagine! 10 weeks ago we lost my mum to brain cancer after talking to my dad I managed to get him to get help. He went through his employer who put him in contact with a atos muppet who classed him fit for work he was not asking for that he was looking for help. Now he won’t speak to anyone I have no time for atos what so ever nothing but a money grabbing group of killers in my opinion I hope they go bust and all the professionals get stripped! he is suffering with depression and needs help he is head strong so took everything for him to make that call in the first place she just fobbed him off.

    Comment by Fred — April 30, 2013 @ 10:06 pm

  434. HI Fred.

    Try and convince your dad these ATOS decisions to announce people fit for work no matter what their health problems were are not personal.
    This totalitarian Government have gave ATOS healthcare through the DWP the contract worth well over £100 million to do as they please which is to find everyone they can no matter what their illness as fit for work, fit for work at all costs, even to the detriment of the persons mental health.
    They have become a kind of law unto themselves.

    I’m assuming your dad was called to attend an assessment on his fitness to work by ATOS healthcare as opposed to ATOS occupational health who pronounce one UNFIT for work to get the employee out of the company.
    So these companies have ATOS Occupational health to find you unfit for work and gives the company an excuse to fire you, and when you get assessed by their alter ego corporate company ATOS healthcare they find you fit for work to give the Government the excuse not to pay you money, in other words your right to benefits, even though a person may have paid forty years in insurance stamps to the Government, that cuts no ice with Iain Duncan Smith and his crowd of criminals.

    I can tell you Fred there are thousands upon thousands up and down the country in the same boat as your dad, and my main point is he’s not alone. If you want to talk about it anonymously and find a way round it, you can do so on our sister site

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 1, 2013 @ 7:06 am

  435. Should I send medical certificates to ATOS before my assessment?

    Comment by Lisa — May 10, 2013 @ 7:47 am

  436. Hello Lisa.

    You don’t send medical certificates to ATOS ever, if you fail their fixed assessment then the DWP will find you fit for work, that’s when you will appeal and find yourself in the position of having to supply the DWP with a medical certificate.
    If you pass the assessment and found unfit for work then a medical certificate will not be required.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 10, 2013 @ 8:29 am

  437. May I point out hwere that should your condition become worse since your Atos assesment you should tell the DWP who will pout your case up for review themselves and they will ask you to make a written statement of the complications thathas made your illnes worse since the assesment, you need to think hard if any of the physical movements you were asked to do at the assesment made you feel ill the next day or caused any sopecific injuries, write this in a report and send it with medical support letters from your GP to the DWP NOT Atos Healthcare. regards N,

    Comment by N. — May 10, 2013 @ 10:37 am

  438. But dont do any of the above until the DWP contact you to say youve failed the test and has your condition woersened since the test, if they dont ask you this and your condition has worsened you must tell them it has worsened so they put your case up for review automatically this is not an appeal it is as I said a review to consider your new medical problems since the test. regards n

    Comment by N. — May 10, 2013 @ 10:41 am

  439. I had a medical examination in November 2012 and was failed by the alleged Doctor although I am Medically unfit for work and had been sending Doctors Certificates since 13/08/2012. My Employers N H S terminated my contract of employment 01/11/2012 however I am still deemed as medically unfit with acute stress caused through my employers and personal health problems I provided all the evidence requested and more voluntarily. I felt that I had been put through the ringer by the assessor as she was not a qualified doctor or nurse I have now appealed on the grounds that I am Medically unfit and my E S A has been re-instated I was also informed that Atos are under investigation as they are declaring people for work that are clearly not.
    I still have many health problems relating to my congenital Hypothyroidism including Type 2 Diabetes and Blurred vision which is quite possibly related to Thyroid eye disease.

    Comment by Katrina Meyrick — May 10, 2013 @ 10:46 am

  440. There’s thousands and thousands in the same boat as yourself Katrina, it’s good to know that ATOS are under investigation, I didn’t know that.
    If you have a link to anything to do with ATOS healthcare being under official investigation then I would be much obliged..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 10, 2013 @ 11:10 am

  441. Katrina,
    I was found fit for work but the DWP phoned me and asked if my condition had got worse when I said yes they reviewed my case and kept me on.
    I understand your eye issues I have been told I have cataracts in both eyes two years ago I didnt have any at all, type 2 diabeties caused it apparently. good luck with yours it is not very nice when thwey tell you the bad news about your vision.hope its all sorted soon.
    Now on with the battle with DLA.

    Comment by N. — May 11, 2013 @ 4:22 pm

  442. Atos Under investigation Link for you DWP
    regards N.

    Comment by N. — May 11, 2013 @ 4:25 pm

  443. Had an assessment 3 weeks ago

    Today DWP phoned and asked if i would be in Wednesday so a decision maker could talk to me

    is this usual ?
    thnx LES

    Comment by LES — May 20, 2013 @ 10:29 am

  444. Les, They are told to contact you via digital means and most will sound quite anti claiment on the phone except for an elite few who are nice and polite, If you want them to contact you by letter you must write and ask them to, this is laid out in their guidelines manual I posted a link to it (above).
    They may well ask you if your condition has worsened at all, if it has they may well put your case up for review or ask you to send in a statement but they dont want to send out the address except to say on a compliments slip, try to record the phonecall if you can he said she said won’t wash if you need to prove something was said later on, they phone you to avoid a paper trail of proof in document form not to save time, I documented every call imeadiately after each call to show i was being given conflicting informnation.
    It does seem a little early to be contacting you maybe the process is speeding up in some cases.
    regards N.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 20, 2013 @ 10:39 am

    After attending the assesment i fired off a letter to ATOS and sent the following to the DWP

    As my multiple conditions are musco-skeletal it would fall to a proffesional with the relevant qualifications and experience to make this decision
    the health minister has stated these decisions have to be made by proffesionals with the relevant qualification
    You fail on this point also
    and in this instance i would like you as the dept who has contracted Atos to contact the
    “qualified” healthcare professional and provide in writing the medical reasons why they feel a face to face meeting was essential
    I would also like a copy of the medical evidence gathered and held by ATOS that they have used to make any judgments on my claim

    Comment by LES — May 20, 2013 @ 10:53 am

  446. Les, I have seen video on you-tube of someone who apparently refused to give consent
    for Atos to examine him and his appointment was cancelled and his benefit was not stopped. this is a lot different to my recording of a direct threat via a phonecall from the DWP Staff quoting the supervisors full name and office saying that they will be stopping benefits if I dont fill out the initail form, it seems that they bribe you to comply, in the first instance but you apparently don’t have to give conbsent to anything. weird.
    regards N.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 20, 2013 @ 11:01 am

  447. Just though you peeps might like to know this, if you get through the Atos assessment and they do award you ESA in the support group be prepared in a delay of your first payment dont get caught out like me they stopped my Income support on 10th of May 2013 and had the cheek to inform the council of this this rendering any claim to housing benefits & council tax benefits stopped, they even tell the tax office of your new circumstances as well but they dont bothert to tell the council that you are going onto ESA which to my way of thinking is very vidinctive behaviour putting you in a lot of shit with debts, I have written a very stern letter to their complaints department that I have not been paid any support group ESA on the day it was first due. they have had since the 10th of May to sort this all out and the payment instruction takes about 5mins on a computer I am starting to think maybe one of these giggling idiots that hates disabled people is dealing with my payment instruction. regards N.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 24, 2013 @ 8:31 pm

  448. Just though you peeps might like to know this, if you get through the Atos assessment and they do award you ESA in the support group be prepared in a delay of your first payment dont get caught out like me they stopped my Income support on 10th of May 2013 and had the cheek to inform the council of this this rendering any claim to housing benefits & council tax benefits stopped, they even tell the tax office of your new circumstances as well but they dont bothert to tell the council that you are going onto ESA which to my way of thinking is very vidinctive behaviour putting you in a lot of shit with debts, I have written a very stern letter to their complaints department that I have not been paid any support group ESA on the day it was first due. they have had since the 10th of May to sort this all out and the payment instruction takes about 5mins on a computer I am starting to think maybe one of these giggling idiots that hates disabled people is dealing with my payment instruction. regards N.

    Comment by N — May 24, 2013 @ 8:32 pm

  449. Hi

    I am 71 yrs old, had mobility for over 28yrs with last medical 1992. March letter told me they wanted to know if I was getting right payment, sent off form, letters from orthopaedic trauma surgeon, pain management, senior physio attached to these two,list of drugs allergies .. Can’t take any painkillers or NSAIDs as they will kill me and brochure of brace I have to wear…? 9 weeks later they write to GP who clearly states any activities impossible, ignored and medical took place yesterday.What a farce!

    Asked told she was here for a medical re your knee problems… Had 11 major operations including four replacements ..three on one, with other one needing another replacement. My Gp had written a note giving all my knee history plus three back injuries suffered, doc wouldn’t read it…as she asked me to list everything, simply said all in that GP letter with all dates…that was end of a y questions re my mobility. Drugs, so Steven Johnson syndrome caused by drugs which can be fatal ignored, it is simply an allergy ( their list of guide lines of ailment clearly state chemical allergy or just allergy .ie food, nuts etc. my allergy not important

    Then it became ridiculous. Are you incontinent,how often do you go to toilet in night, what time do you go to bed where is your oven, what is your routine,where do you go shopping, who packs and unpacks,who does the cooking,have you friend,do they visit, do you sit in that chair all day…then asked to read an optician chart,then the smaller print used in opticians test,do you have hearing aids, how long, are those glasses just for reading..no had cataracts and laser,. Examination, raise hands above head,behind your nevk,behind your back, make a circle of thumb and finger,push YMHA d down with yours, same with legs…failed that..bend head up/ down/side to side..failed that due to injury to C5/4/5

    Remember I am71 yrs old,do t askor need care allowance, claiming for mobility allowance…will I get it doubt it.She fini nystatin g she had done these for 12 yrsbutdid not know a yet hi g about new system!

    Comment by Anne — June 18, 2013 @ 7:43 am

  450. sorry to be a stick in the mud but I thought you couldn’t claim for Mobility allowence after the age of 65 I thought it waas called something else after age 65?
    regards N. dont panic yet Anne the DWP may well override everything Atos does they did with me fortunately.

    Comment by N — June 18, 2013 @ 12:35 pm

  451. Yes one can if it is on going as mine is.was granted it indefinitely 1992 but government now say not applicable. My car is my life line, gives me my independence and do not want to lose it nd why should .I. The readings here do not give encouragement at all, I was supposed to be assessed by doc with knowledge of skeletal problems, what a giggle.


    Comment by Anne — June 18, 2013 @ 3:22 pm

  452. Anne, I agree with you there it does make for some depressing reading all of this but it is nice to know what is really happenning to people in the real world, My circumstances seem to be very different from others I sent in a personal vwery long statement of facts with the initial form it was so long they would have needed half an hour to read it, atos declared me fit for work and I scored No points at all but the DWP phend me and asked if my circumstances had changed and I said yes I have a blood clot they asked me for another pertsonal statement so I wrtiote one with help from my Family they defcided agaist the orriginal decision made by Atos Healthcare. so in my case it would be true that the DWP are the final decision makers Not Atos Healthcare, I always provide as much information as I possibly can even if it is my life story I send it on so they can build up a decent picture of my condition, I believe it is not enough to just fill out their form with silly little boxes inside with no room to tell about anything about me. Keep yopur chin up Anne it seems to be a bit of a lottery but some of us are getting through it ok eventually even if it does put a bit of a strain on the nerves. regards N.

    Comment by N — June 18, 2013 @ 6:03 pm

  453. Does anybody know how long it takes, for Atos to make a decision on whether or not they require you to attend a face to face assessment after returning the medical questionaire, I have had brain surgery after a serious head injury coma etc etc,and cannot remember how long it takes, it’s been a while now that I have been left waiting to hear and with my head the way it is depression, severe anxiety and anger, I just want it sorted at least until the next time.

    Comment by Neil — July 25, 2013 @ 3:38 pm

  454. Hello Neil.

    It can take any amount of time before they call you to be assessed, a week to a couple of months.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 25, 2013 @ 5:30 pm

  455. Thanks hopefully after reading the reports from a Consultant Neuro Psychologist suggesting that I should not work in any capacity for the foreseeable future they will choose not to call me in for a face to face examination, having said that my first face to face just six months after being on life support, extensive brain surgery, coma and shoulder reconstruction, I scored zero, the examiner described my injury as mild and was deemed fit for work, 2 appeals and then it finally got sensible it was immediately overturned at a tribunal and huge expense to the taxpayer, I used to be one of those along with National Insurance for 32 years! well I think we all know with what we are dealing with here.

    Comment by Neil — July 25, 2013 @ 8:08 pm

  456. Hi Neil.

    Too right you know what your dealing with, it’s hard to believe isn’t it ? you’ve actually got to go through it yourself before it really gets across to you.
    And your not the only one, this is happening to thousands and thousands of people all over Britain, each as bewildered as the next.
    The Government in cahoots with the Daily mail and the Sun, Express and some other media outlets like the BBC have agreed to say nothing about ATOS, agreed just to let the horror go on, even the Guardian are low key, why ? because the Guardian are paid by UNUM insurance tp promote their policies, UNUM that American outlawed Insurance company who are allied to ATOS.

    It was all planned years ago mate..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 26, 2013 @ 9:40 am

  457. Thanks for reply and it is a comfort to know ”your not the only one”, as after my first face to face examination result, I had weeks of sleepless, anger and anxiety filled nights, that is how Dwpexamination really helps ie reading the similar horror stories that Atos and IDS are putting us through.

    Comment by Neil — July 26, 2013 @ 10:16 am

  458. Neil…We have a sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org, where we all band together to gather and inform on any new ATOS/DWP corrupt Government intelligence.

    Just had a thought…If it’s the Government and intelligence then that’s an oxymoron..!! lol.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 26, 2013 @ 12:18 pm

  459. is this incompetance or meant to be? lasdt year i was deemed fit for work after having been on incapacity benefits for some 26 years with multiple blood clots in my lungs and legs and a mirriad of other medical conditions brought on by the poor circulation complications, in september 2012 my case was reviewd and the DWP dedided to pronounce me unfit for work and put me in the ESA Support group, a few days ago I recieved a new revised ESA50 form and a header letter from Atos Healthcare, which states If I am recievibng incapacity benefits and Income support I need to be reassed to be put onto ESA if I qualifiy, so I have written to them, to tell then after being reviewed by the DWP in September 2012 I was put in the ESA support group in March 2013 I am not on Incapacity benefits or income support. is this a clerical error or am I expected to claim again after only being on ESA for five months. I shall be very happy to forward all the peperwork I sent them last year, there has been no cure offered by the medical proffession in 20 odd years maybe they have discoverted something miracoulous in only five months?

    Comment by N — September 14, 2013 @ 6:29 pm

  460. Hello N.

    ESA is Employment support allowance, the new name (2008/9) for Incapacity benefit.

    So you are on sickness benefits and it doesn’t matter if you are in the support group or the WRAG of ESA, everyone is going to be assessed and assessed and assessed, until your sick fed up with them assessing you.

    I hope you’ve got the message ?, everything has changed, everyone ? no matter if they are on a drip in hospital is going to be assessed, and if you don’t get of that drip and get round to the ATOS assessment centre then one will lose one’s benefits.

    I’m sorry…I can’t explain it any better than that, you either get it or you don’t.

    This is the madness I’m trying to stop on this blog and our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org they (ATOS/DWP) are not playing games, THEY WANT TO HURT US AND HURT US BAD, so you either join us and help or wing it on your own, I hope you join us and help end this crazy system.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 14, 2013 @ 7:46 pm

  461. I would like to find out if there is any chance of setting up a class action case against incompetent PIP decision makers and Atos doctors as to the accountability of their decisions in respect of the large number of cases found in favour of the applicant by the Court Tribunal Services.

    It would be interesting to know the names of the PIP decision makers and Atos doctors who have their decisions overruled for the purpose of having them struck off with a public enquiry into reopening all cases bearing their involvement

    Comment by Billy — September 17, 2013 @ 1:19 pm

  462. I am making a form which I believe would be beneficial for PIP claimants to enclose with their application.

    Would you like a draft.

    Comment by Billy — September 17, 2013 @ 1:30 pm

  463. Hi Billy.

    Would like to have a look, pop over to our sister site and ask the members http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 17, 2013 @ 4:03 pm

  464. Anybody know how long they are taking to actually go through the assessment process. They have had the form 6 weeks and admit it hasn’t been looked at yet. Apparently we just have to wait and have no right to know approximately how long we are waiting for. Since one rather important letter has gone astray this week I’d really like to know when to expect to hear from them so I know when to ask the question again..Miss “I’m just the general enquiry line” made it quite clear she didn’t care either. Life is such fun.

    Comment by Anne Hegarty — October 2, 2013 @ 4:36 pm

  465. I’m afraid I do not know how long it takes to go through the assessment process as I am also left in limbo, I have been on ESA for four years now and get the yearly form to fill in, and usually within a couple of months I have been summoned for a face to face examination, this year I returned my questionaire back in early July and nothing yet it’s now Oct, I do not know if circumstances have anything to do with their decision making as this year I had surgery in late may and enclosed a letter from the Consultant Brain Surgeon, usually this makes no difference with this lot, as before I had a very quick response just 4 months after brain surgery, life support etc it took just a few weeks to be deemed fit for work after my examiner gave me virtually zero points and described my injuries as mild!!so I’m sorry no help I wish I knew it just causes a lot of anxiety.

    Comment by Neil — October 2, 2013 @ 5:11 pm

  466. Anyone with problems with ATOS should contact their MP.
    Also contact:
    Brian Pepper
    National Customer Relations Manager
    Tel: 0113 2309097
    and INSIST that HE looks into your complaint.
    Keep all correspondence and if still not resolved take the matter to local and national media and quote his details and what he tells you

    Comment by Paul Rutherford — October 20, 2013 @ 1:29 am

  467. I am having my 3rd assessment 15/11 after 2 aborted assessments first one Nurse not qualified to deal with my complex conditions, second home visit aborted recorder not working, lets hope the recorder is o.k I have made ATOS aware I will be recording any conversations held within my home and have questioned the quacks ability to assess me as he has no specialities. My first assessment was aborted 1/10/12 I have been waiting until now as ATOS couldn’t find a quack who can use recording equipment

    Comment by k davies — October 25, 2013 @ 3:21 pm

  468. I had an assessment by a nurse, not a doctor at ATOS. They said I came alone. I was dropped off by a friend just outside, then he had to go and park and wait for me to ring him and I counted twelve steps to the chair in the waiting room, then a few minutes later eight more steps to the chair in room. She claimed that I had walked 25m.. I was wearing easy clothes, that I wear when i go to physio, as i didn’t know if I’d be required to get undressed. They are supposed to fill in their assessment within 5 minutes of seeing you and mark the time down, yet apparently in that 5 minutes she forgot that I wasn’t wearing a coat, though she claimed that I had no difficulty removing it or putting it on. When it was time to leave I asked her to open the door for me, as I was unable to do it with a walking stick in my hand, yet she claimed that I had no difficulty in opening the door. They are LIARS and there is no comeback. On the assessment form I had filled in for me one question had three boxes A Sometimes B Never or C It varies. Well i’m no genius but if you can only do something sometimes, doesn’t that mean that it varies? I am just off to light the disposable bbqs in my bedroom. I can’t fight them any more. They will hound me forever, till I die. I have fibromyalgia, osteoporosis, arthritis and sciatica. The pain is enough to deal with.

    Comment by redskelf — October 28, 2013 @ 12:03 pm

  469. Never give in fight them, giving up is what they want, don’t give them the satisfaction, I am on Pen, Credit and I.B I can sign off I.B today get out of ATOSs clutches for the loss of £20 p.w but I prefer to fight them

    Comment by k davies — October 28, 2013 @ 12:36 pm

  470. Thank you, but I’m too tired. They just keep coming at me, over and over. I am only on ESA since December. Been put in the WRAG group. Been told I will get no money come December. Just had a new ATOS assessment form. Will go round in circles forever. No one to help. Have appealed. They have not followed procedures but ignore the questions I ask about this. I wish everyone in this position well.

    Comment by redskelf — October 28, 2013 @ 12:53 pm

  471. Anyone know if it’s an offence to falsely represent yourself as a current registered family GP to gain the trust of someone? (that person has been a GP in the past but is no longer registered as a GP) but is still on the GMC register but not a registered GP and this person also carried out a physical examination on me and an eyetest as well as making a diagnosis and advised treatment for this condition he jumped at saying I had. Please advise me if anyone has any help for me, thanks

    Comment by Lisa Gazelic — November 12, 2013 @ 10:11 am

  472. If in doubt contact the GMC and complain

    Comment by k davies — November 12, 2013 @ 10:38 am

  473. Atos ‘professionals’ are supposed to complete their written assessment within five minutes of seeing you, yet within 5 minutes, my assessor apparently forgot that I told her I was taking Tramadol, but was going to ask my GP to change this, as it made me sick, She wrote ‘not on any pain medication’. She stated that I had no trouble taking off and putting on my coat. I was not wearing a a coat. She said I managed to open the door as I left, though,in fact, I asked her to open the door for me, as I could not manage it with my walking stick and weakness in my hands.
    They basically lie, and there is no comeback. My son is coming to my next assessment, wearing his ‘Joe 90′ video specs. He may look like a pillock and it may be inadmissible, but it will give me a lot of satisfaction to play it back and see how many lies they tell. Try to keep smiling. Don’t let the bastards grind you down.

    Comment by redskelf — November 12, 2013 @ 10:42 am

  474. I had to go for a Diabetic Check two weeks ago, and the mention of ATOS came up. He was told that he was offered a job to go and work for ATOS but turned it down as the salary was based on a Bonus Factor on how much they saved, so the more they got off the list the more they could earn. But he turned this down on moral grounds, and if you have to pass papers to ATOS send them Recorded Delivery and make sure that you get them all back! ATOS denied they had the papers and blamed the DWP who passed the matter back to ATOS. These are personal details so check you get everything back!!

    Comment by Paul Rutherford — November 12, 2013 @ 10:44 am

  475. To Lisa Gazelic. If you can prove this is the case, then this is an assault on your person, in law. Good luck

    Comment by redskelf — November 12, 2013 @ 10:45 am

  476. redskelf if you send paperwork with your ESA50 don’t send it to the DWP just buy an A4 padded envelope and stick the ATOS one to the front then post it to them that will cost them in postage aart the other end.

    Comment by wildthing666 — November 12, 2013 @ 12:57 pm

  477. Thanks, Wildthing,. I did that, as the stupid envelope they sent wasn’t big enough to hold all the medical evidence, so I stuck the freepost envelope on the front, but it’s good advice..

    Comment by redskelf — November 12, 2013 @ 1:15 pm

  478. It is ESSENTIAL that you keep everyone informed of the distress and pressure that the DWP and ATOS inflict on you, and how this only exacerbates your condition – particularly those with mental health issues. I was invited to an Atos interview on Saturday 16th November 2013, despite suffering from clinical depression, one of the symptoms being social anxiety. My GP wrote to Atos requesting an home visit, the request being ignored. I was expected to stump up £60.00 for a return cab journey. INSIST that Atos pay for cab journey’s in advance – they did for me. They have a contract with Addison Lee in London. I wrote to my Atos, copied to Job Centre Plus, my MP, GP, advocate and Psychologist to complain about having to attend assessment. My assessment was aborted because of the assessor telling me I had a bad attitude and was being aggressive, when it was in fact her exhibiting such behaviour, which was corroborated by my advocate who attended with me. She even told me to stop looking at my advocate at one point. I asked for assessment to be recorded, and she said this request must be made in advance, at which point the assessment was aborted and another one is to be rescheduled. ALWAYS asked for assessment to be recorded, this is your right. ALWAYS take someone to support you. ALWAYS insist travelling costs are covered in advance. It is your right, and how can people on pittance benefits be expect to stump up travelling costs in advance is ridiculous. I was so enraged when I got home, I wrote a three page letter of complaint to Atos, cc’d to GP, Job Centre Plus, advocate, MP – Tessa Jowell – to forward to Iain Duncan Shit, for his comments. It is important you stand up to these bullies. They have caught me in a period where I am able to fight back. We are all to aware of the political agenda behind these assessments, and know that decisions are determined and preordained prior to assessments being carried out in order to satisfy the DWP. To them it is not personal, but it is personal. FIGHT BACK.

    Comment by simone — November 17, 2013 @ 7:10 pm

  479. I had my third recorded assessment aborted last Friday. the first was aborted at Atos centre Nurse not Qualified the second at home recorder wouldn’t work the third the quack couldn’t test the machine prior to assessment The C.D machines cant be stopped or rewound so I told him unless I could back up his recording with my own I would not proceed he rang his office and they declined so did I. What happens next I don’t know

    Comment by k davies — November 17, 2013 @ 8:08 pm

  480. k davies, you did the right thing, you need to keep a note of your experience, how it made you feel, etc. if you can write a letter of complaint to atos, copying letter to all professionals involved in your care, your mp and DWP. It is important they are challenged on their incompetence. Good luck.

    Comment by simone — November 17, 2013 @ 8:29 pm

  481. The assessment was video recorded covertly, my nephew was present and took notes, ATOS wont communicate directly as I got my M.P after the first aborted assessment, I am seeing my G.P tomorrow. ATOS it seems are unaccountable to any one they and the DWP just bat complaints back and fort to frustrate us.

    Comment by k davies — November 18, 2013 @ 9:39 am

  482. yes, they record you covertly from the moment you’re outside the building – to see your mobility, etc. They also plant newspapers in the waiting room to see if you can read, concentrate and focus. They often move you from one waiting room to another to check you mobility again. If it comes to you having to appeal their decision, do so, ask for film footage, as is your right. They do not realise the human consequences of their behaviour. I have been on heightened anxiety since my aborted assessment, and have not slept at all last night. My OCD intrusive thoughts are off the scale. Good luck!!

    Comment by simone — November 18, 2013 @ 10:52 am

  483. I had a letter from DWP asking why I wasn’t in for WCA I was, then it asks why I refused to participate [I wasn't in was I] I sent a SAR to ATOS who stated my claim was closed by them and all info sent back to Aberdeen 13/11. So I have sent a SAR to the DWP for the HCPs report that he sent to DWP. Because either he is lying about the fact I wasn’t in or he has a short memory. The visit was videod and I had a witness present I have pointed out to the DWP that at no time did I refuse to participate and there was a witness present. Keeping the video evidence under my hat for now.

    Comment by k davies — December 9, 2013 @ 1:41 pm

  484. Perhaps I have missed something here, or maybe I am simply enjoying a senior moment, but what on earth does Comment No. 487, by “pcjgkdahzko” have to do with the very serious problems, worries, concerns and difficulties being caused by ATOS, to frequently quite vulnerable persons.

    Comment by Dave — December 9, 2013 @ 2:30 pm

  485. I still have no idea what you are babbling on about.
    This subject is of far too serious to the majority of people involved in it, to be addressed so lightly and in such shallow and fallacious manner.
    Perhaps your next comments will be more supportive, or I simply suggest that you just do not bother replying.

    Comment by Dave — December 9, 2013 @ 7:56 pm

  486. How can they say you weren’t in for an assessment when you clearly were ? just as well you’ve got the video evidence.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 10, 2013 @ 10:57 am

  487. Hello Dave.

    A number of comments slipped through the spam filter, I’ve now deleted them.
    The spam filter on this site has to deal with around four to five hundred junk comments per day, unfortunately it isn’t 100% efficient, which means I have to manually sort out any which make it through the filter.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 10, 2013 @ 11:04 am

  488. Yes I am now waiting to get the HCPs reports to see if he lied then I will have some fun

    Comment by k davies — December 10, 2013 @ 11:04 am

  489. Thank you “dwpexamination”. You are quite correct, in my opinion, to try to ensure that such comments are not allowed to filter through to this page, because, although a smile or a laugh can lift peoples’ spirits, there is a time and place and this is not it.
    Too many people affected by the poor service and nonexistent understanding and support from ATOS do not deserve to be treated in such a derisory or cavalier manner, my daughter being one of them.
    Thank you for your swift actions.

    Comment by Dave — December 10, 2013 @ 12:06 pm

  490. Hello Dave.

    Unfortunately Dave there are unscrupulous people out there who don’t give a rats behind if they ruin websites, as long as they get their idiotic adverts in for people to view and click on them.
    Without spam filters it would be just hopeless, imagine these people had free access to websites ? the spam and junk would be overwhelming.
    It wouldn’t be just hundreds per day, it would be thousands upon thousands in an never ending stream 24/7.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 11, 2013 @ 7:24 am

  491. Just keep up the good work dwpexamination, because many people suffering under the shadow of ATOS need as much help and support as they can get – well done.

    Comment by Dave — December 11, 2013 @ 11:21 am

  492. Update. Letter today benefit stopped. reason. Failure to attend [it was carried out in my home] failure to participate assessment aborted. D.Ms decision fit to work based on ESA50 from Aug.12 and ESA113 from Oct. 12 I have been advised to keep close contact with JCP. Awaiting reply today after phoning DWP. I have made them aware of a witness at the so called non show and will use my trump card of videoed evidence which proves the HCPs attendance and the fact that at no time did I refuse to be assessed. At no time since Oct. 12 have they contacted my G.P for FME

    Comment by k davies — December 11, 2013 @ 12:11 pm

  493. Hi k davies.

    It’s all a con, they are not interested in contacting GPs or hospitals, they just want you/us of any kind of sickness benefits.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 11, 2013 @ 10:58 pm

  494. Cheers Dave http://www.dwpexamination.org is available too.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 11, 2013 @ 10:59 pm

  495. Well after speaking to a D.M in Aberdeen and explain myself the descision was overturned. The claim is cancelled as of 12/12 and is to re restarted i.e new ESA50 and pos. new FtoF. my right to a recorded home assessment still stands. I have also made a formal complaint to the GMC regarding the HCPs conduct because at best he seems to have been economical with the truth or lied. I am awaiting his report to the DWP. They have opened a can of serpents.

    Comment by k davies — December 12, 2013 @ 9:04 am

  496. Yet again, the might of a publicly funded and governmental organisation attempts to simply steam roller their decisions through made against the “common man”.
    Why does it so frequently appear that the so called specialists are not specialists at all, but usually inadequately trained.personnel for example, at one stage in my daughter’s case when I asked what special training the examiner would have in her specific condition I was told, “well it will either be a doctor, a nurse or a midwife” – yes, a midwife! You really could not make this up could you.
    Remember that our government pays huge amounts of money to ATOS for this so caled specialist service, but as I understand it, the ATOS company is actually French owned, consequently these several millions of £’s sterling go straight out of the country.
    Do we really lack the capability to have a UK company run this facility, but also to be answerable to us?

    Comment by Dave — December 12, 2013 @ 10:43 am

  497. I remeber recieving a pink and grey leaflet with my first ESA form that said I would be examined by a fully qualified GP NOT a healthcare professional
    I was never examined at all let alone by a GP as it states in my leaflet from the DWP., I am more aggrevated recently by the fact that my GP has refused to provide any more suplimentry medical evidence be it a list of my medical conditions or a suplimentry medical report even though I have offered to pay for one, this action is digusting nbehaviour and I am in the process of taking legal action against my Doctor for abandonning me to the wolves of benefit reform.

    Comment by N — December 12, 2013 @ 8:27 pm

  498. I sent that leaflet to the Advertising Standards Agency stating it was innacurate, the reply stated as I was the only complainant they could do nothing. I showed it to the HCP who said he had never seen it and he was a qualified disability analyst so that leaflet is nonsense. Its a wc1 6/12 if my memory serves me correctly. More people should send it in maybe then something will get done

    Comment by k davies — December 12, 2013 @ 8:51 pm

  499. They don’t want to be answerable to anyone Dave, maybe that’s one of their points.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 15, 2013 @ 9:47 am

  500. Apparently ATOS health care professionals are able to judge your ability to work based on a 20-40 minute assessment. Their knowledge of your health conditions are based on paper evidence and a skewed and rigid medical assessment. Clearly their aim is to facilitate Iain Duncan-Shit and the DWP in their efforts to reduce the numbers of those who are legitimately claiming sickness benefits.

    Comment by simone — December 15, 2013 @ 11:56 am

  501. Ian Dunkie Smythe wants a perfect world where there100% employment and no sick or disabled people. Fat chance. They way the Con/Dems are going they wont be far off as the amount of people dying or taking their own lives is getting bigger under this harsh regime. Problem is they seem to be getting away with it

    Comment by k davies — December 15, 2013 @ 12:13 pm

  502. ATOS simply ignore ALL Medical Evidence & send exactly “0″ Medical Facts to DWP Decision makers!. This is a FACT, not an assumption. I only found this out AFTER I had taken a Second WCA at their Medical Centre??? in Stirling, Scotland. On my Second WCA, carried out by the same HCP again, I recorded it from Start to Finish. As I was leaving, I asked Ms Margaret Wallace, if she had recorded my WCA & she replied ( But you never asked me to!!! ). I then told her I had recorded it & would be sending her a CD/DVD Copy of it. ( She was not Pleased & told me what I had done was illegal!!! ).
    I also sent 2 CDs’ to DWP Manager Alan Kane & also Mr G.Cowan admin Team Leader at Aberdeen JCPlus.
    Shortly afterwards I received a letter from Mr Cowan, telling me that Ms. Margaret Wallace yet again had forwarded exactly “0″ Medical Facts (Written & X-Ray Evidence) just as she had done on my First WCA on 2nd May 2012, my Second WCA was on 20th May 2013. Aberdeen informed me that they had written to ATOS via their Complaints department at Aberdeen. A few weeks later I received a short letter from ATOS’s Edinburgh Office, informing me that their HCP Ms Wallace cannot look at X-Rays without a Light Box being available, No mention of Amnesia in not sending not one piece of Medical Evidence for the SECOND Year in a row.
    As from July 2012, my Incapacity benefit was reduced from the new rate at that time £116 per week, down to £71 per week, then after a waste of time Appeal (Where only Ms Wallace’s Medical Opinion can be taken into consideration) ( The Appeal was Based on ZERO Medical evidence) as the Half inch Thick Medical Evidence I had forwarded to the Appeal Panel before the Hearing, would not be allowed to be taken into consideration.
    So once you have been Screwed by ATOS the First time, the Appeal Panel & the DWP Screw you yet again. Even after the “Decision Making Appeals Team” in Glasgow awarded me 21 Points & the Number One Descriptor of the ESA Law Regulation of 2008, I am still only receiving £32.28p per week, which was given to me after my APPEAL??? in November 29th 2012.
    If you are Truly Disabled, me because of a Work Accident, it does not matter!!! DWP Minister Mr I.D.Smug Smith & co, do not give a Damn & they will keep you going around in ever decreasing circles, until the day you Expire.
    The irony of my case is this, I actually voted for the person who was the cause of my Accident, due to NHS Cut Backs in the late 70′s-80′s maintenance programs cut because of insufficient funds!!!. We all paid for her Funeral in 2013. Guess who???.
    Any recriminations from this letter, I do not give a Damn, they cannot take away anything else from me. Unless my NHS Pension somehow doesn’t get deposited every month as from now on.
    I thank Mr Cameron, Mr Smith, Mr Osborne & Mr Clegg for everything they have done in NOT Helping the Truly Disabled of this country.

    Comment by Matthew J F Robertson — January 14, 2014 @ 7:09 pm

  503. ATOS send nothing to the DWP, your right there Mathew, and that just about sums them up, a bunch of liars and con artists.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 14, 2014 @ 11:25 pm

  504. I have been in receipt of ESA since February 2013, and on November 11th 2013, was “invited” to an assessment by ATOS at their Marylebone office. My GP requested by fax a home assessment due to medical reasons. They dismissed her request and said I was well enough to attend. Upon attending the assessment, it had to be aborted after 5 minutes because of the unprofessional behaviour of the HCP. I requested it be recorded, but it was to late, so was invited for a fresh assessment four weeks later, which I had arranged to be recorded. I was surprised that the HCP reported that I should go in t he support group, this was upheld by the DWP, and I got arrears of almost £1,500.00. There are several points I would like to make.

    1. I have readily complained about the unprofessional behaviour of ATOS at my preliminary aborted assessment.
    2. I have readily complained that ATOS ignored my GP request for a home assessment.
    3. During my period of ill health I have maintained a relationship with my GP.

    All letters of complaint have been copied to my GP, psychologist and MP – requesting feedback from Iain Duncan-Smith via GP.

    I have also made it explicitly clear that any further decline in my mental health and physical health I will hold the DWP and ATOS fully responsible.

    I am all to aware that if it wasn’t for the fact that I able to advocate on my own behalf, that ATOS and the DWP would not have found in my favour and decided I am currently unable to work, and will not have to take part in any work related activity.

    I am certain that this decision is not based on my assessment alone, and the fact that I have defended myself against their calculated bureaucracy I am sure is the predominant factor. This saddens me because many people are unable to defend themselves for one reason or the other.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 14, 2014 @ 11:41 pm

  505. Well done anonymous. I have previously said that everyone, no matter how well educated (as you obviously are) they must seek the help of their GP, their local MP and anyone else involved with their illness and/or treatment.
    They should ensure that they never attend an interview alone and should always insist on the session being recorded to ensure a true and proper record.
    An advocate is vital to ensure the correct procedures are in place and to give confidence to the interviewee.

    Comment by Dave — January 15, 2014 @ 11:59 am

  506. Hi Dave, as far as I know I am not anonymous!!!. But after the FIRST WCA, you do not know what has been sent to DWP. In my case “0″. When I appealed, I still did not know that ATOS HCP Ms Margaret Wallace of the ATOS Stirling Medical Centre had forwarded exactly “0″ to them either. It was only after the advice of a Lawyer, that I was told to apply for a Completely New WCA. Which I recorded & duly mailed off CDs’ to DWP Aberdeen. The HCP had yet again, had given DWP “0″. I was informed of this by Mr G.Cowan, Admin team leader at DWP,JCP Aberdeen. Only then was I awarded 21 points which were awarded to me from the “Decision Making Appeals Team” in Glasgow, over the phone, as I waited at Stirling NHS X-Ray Centre because I have a form of Emphysema which is not responding to any type of medication. But the Emphysema had only started giving me problems as from December 2013. The Person who telephoned me could hear that I was very breathless, due to the Emphysema. I get to see the Respiratory Specialist in 33 Weeks minimum wait!!!!.

    My Medical Problems >>>>>>
    I have Severe Sciatica in the Base of my Back, 2 Muscles wasted away due to the wrong Physiotherapy Program, Arthritis in my Neck also 24/7, removal of a Pilonidal Sinus due to the Force of my initial Fall because of the pressure on the rear end as I hit the Floor. And to cap it all, on my first ever trip abroad, on Landing in Colombia South America, Medellin, within 45 minutes of arriving there, I was Shot 3 times, 9mm Automatic,once through each Leg which both Bullets passed through without causing me any Major damage & the Third Bullet to my Right side Upper Chest, this one hit the main Artery & at the same time, either spliced or cut the Nerves which go to the Thumb,Forefinger & Middle finger, so my Right Hand feels Freezing even in our Summertime. I have to wear a glove on my Right hand nigh on 350 days a year. The Bullet in my right shoulder blade cannot be removed by surgery, as the Specialist told me that they can only take it out by the way it entered into the body & to do this, there is a 95% Chance of my right arm being completely Paralysed.

    BUT!!!! ATOS cured me!!!, there is nothing wrong with me!!!. I think the HCP Ms Margaret Wallace must have run down the Batteries in her Magic Wand!! on Both my WCAs’. She must have cured many people that day, as the waiting room was Standing room only with a minimum 45 minute wait. Which means if you can Sit for 45 minutes, you are 100% Fit.

    Bye for now….Matt Robertson aged 62.

    Comment by Matthew Robertson — January 15, 2014 @ 5:11 pm

  507. I am the one who posted the anonymous comment.

    Comment by Simone — January 15, 2014 @ 9:48 pm

  508. Reply to comment 506 Mathew, regarding reading x-rays without a light box, I now presume that you have no windows in your house with which to put an x-ray against to read them in daylight.
    surely a person such as an intelligent medical examiner is capable of using their brain to work out how to read an x-ray without the use of a light box?

    Comment by Anonymous — January 16, 2014 @ 12:38 pm

  509. Always ask the credentials of the Health Care Professional, as this doesn’t mean they have got any medical qualifications, but have probably received rudimentary training, and are not necessarily qualified to read an x-ray!! ALWAYS have your examination recorded – book in advance. Always insist that they cough up travelling expenses in advance – they have the ability and power to do so. I made sure I got a return door to door cab – paid for in advance by ATOS. How they expect people to cough up travel expenses in advance, when in receipt of pittance benefits is beyond me. Try to get someone to accompany you to assessment, and make notes on your behalf. Everything is a test. You are CCTV recorded from the moment you enter the building. They plant newspapers on chairs to see if you are able to concentrate and focus on a task (reading)!! They often send you to one room and move you to another – to test your mobility!! Lifts are often not working, and your examination may be on the second floor. People are being set up to fail. Do not be disheartened. We all know that decisions are more or less predetermined and preordained. Stand up for yourselves, let them know you have their cards marked, be ready to complain and appeal. Make sure you have the support of your GP, MP, etc. I was put in the support group because I have a voice and used it. This saddens me because 3 months ago, I couldn’t even get out of bed because my depression had left me more or less catatonic. I know that three months ago they would have recommended me for the back to work group, because I would have been unable to articulate myself and defend myself. They bully people who cannot defend themselves.

    I am here if anyone needs any help with a letter, etc.

    Comment by Simone — January 16, 2014 @ 12:56 pm

  510. I have been in the system over 25 years and I canno0t say that my experiences have been as bad as the cases I read here I got a home visit without asking for one for a DLA claim and it went very smoothly I did have ESA stopped because I didn’t return the forms on time but that was their mistake as they had granted me extra time and then they reverted back to the original date, I simply sent a letter to explain this.
    and payments continued, what I find very hard to understand is that it would seem certain areas of the country have been singled out or perhaps certain health conditions have been singled out as non-starters.
    It would seem clear that if you make your case and share lots of information then you have a fighting chance as I have done and I cannot rely upon my GP who refuses to supply medical statements for the DWP on the basis that he doesn’t have to do it I have even offered to pay for these statements but he still ignores my requests for a statement, hence the home visit. where I was able to share some of the past documented information I have on file. Some of it from my current GP, I will if necessary use the freedom of information act to ask for copies of my medical history. And pay the fee. Which can be discounted for those on a low income. It would seem from theirs I have spoken to in the same situation all have failed to claim successfully if they just fill out the forms and return them without including a full typed statement of how their disability affects them. supply as much information as you think is necessary and ask that they take the time to read it.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 16, 2014 @ 1:17 pm

  511. Not if the HCP (Professional????) refuses to look at ANY Medical Evidence, even the simplest one I proffered to her was a Letter from my GP, each & every time I proffered medical Evidence Including X-Rays in a Very Brightly lit room by Sunshine alone, she said every time, ( I do not need to see it, but I shall put it in your Folder/File. This can clearly be heard on the recording several times throughout my WCA. Yet not one piece of Medical Evidence was sent to the DWP Decision makers. recently contacted ATOS via their LEEDS Office & the first reply from them stated, that their HCP Ms Margaret Wallace “REFUTED” my allegations of her not sending medical evidence to DWP. I have in my possession a letter from ABERDEEN JCPlus DWP informing me that on Both my WCAs’, she sent them Zero Medical Evidence. With this *itch, there is No Shame in her Nor Honesty. But somehow I might be Lucky & hope I will find an Honest Person either in the DWP or ATOS but I won’t be holding my breath.

    Comment by Matthew Robertson — January 16, 2014 @ 4:43 pm

  512. Lots of people have been making their case and shared lots of information, and it’s got them nowhere.
    You might have a point though with regard to certain parts of the country being singled out.
    At the end of the day the present WCA system via ATOS is not fit for purpose and should be scrapped with a new fairer system put in place.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 16, 2014 @ 4:57 pm

  513. I.D.Smith does not want a Fairer system put in place, simply because he can BENEFIT from having ATOS Hatchet HCPs’ stopping one helluva lot of peoples Incapacity benefit etc. Even the man who invented this computer program said it had many Faults, yet do you see Mr Smith saying anything about Fairness???? No! & we never will.

    Comment by Matthew Robertson — January 16, 2014 @ 5:48 pm

  514. I initially took medical evidence with me to the incapacity benefit assessment and the Nurse said
    quite rudely so we now have two medical statements and shoved it to one side of her desk I shoved it back again and told her to read it otherwise I would be making a formal complain against her strangely enough huffing and puffing she took back the statement and read it., perhaps this is why I scored zero points which was overturned by the DWP.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 17, 2014 @ 10:53 am

  515. I’m sure you would have received zero points whether she read it or not, that’s their remit.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 17, 2014 @ 11:27 am

  516. Might I suggest that every single person who has been so diabolically treated by Atos, themselves, or a friend or advocate, contacts their local MP and asks for a question to be asked in Parliament.
    There is power in numbers of people all over the country asking for this to be done.
    Everyone has nothing further to lose, so why not give it a go?

    Comment by Dave — January 17, 2014 @ 1:17 pm

  517. And have today received a letter from JCPlus/DWP Coatbridge Glasgow via Wolverhampton, informing me that my income is Too Much, so I shall not be receiving my £32.28p p.w. ESA payment anymore, as my NHS pension of £79.71p p.w. is now to be classed as Earnings!!! Even though I was Medically retired in 1987. My only other weekly income is Industrial Injuries Benefit.
    Where does this treatment by this government come to an end. The UK is now a Disability & Work Accident Free Zone. Just a little more pressure on our crematoriums every week. But cost of Funerals will still increase, we just won’t be able to afford one!.

    Comment by Matthew Robertson — January 17, 2014 @ 1:37 pm

  518. Hi All,
    I have been through the system and got through OK. Because i played them at there own game ,,,And i know some of you wont do this but it will certainly help you in the long run. Go to the atos meeting being pushed by a friend armed with a hidden recorder, Get your friend to give you a drink, just a sip will do as you cant move at all {on camera in waiting room} try not to fidget and not to move hands as you cant grip anything because it is painful. don’t sign anything as you will be asked to at reception then they will say but you signed this already,which you reply it was in the comfort of my own home just blink and talk..and go in a wheelchair with only small wheels on it .You maybe uncomfortable for a while but go in chair from the car that is parked a few hundred yards away and act that way untill you get back to the car…..It worked for me lets hope it works for others……And i do suffer from various ailments and wasn’t prepared to go through what i read on here…Basically there all a bunch of actors and so was i…… need to ask anything then please do…..Regards a friend.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 17, 2014 @ 7:08 pm

  519. Just read comment 522 & I can see that people like myself i.e. 100% Honest & at one time very hard working, are being judged & put into the same category as the ACTOR in comment 522. It is because of people like him, that the decent peole are being hung out to dry by ATOS & this damned government.

    Comment by Matthew Robertson — January 18, 2014 @ 12:13 am

  520. I think if you do your research property you will find that sitting still will do you no justice as it is inferred in the DWP manuals for HCP’s that people in pain constantly shift position, so the comments of 522 are inconclusive to say the least, I believe it was pointed out much earlier in this thread that sitting still for an hour in the waiting room made you fit for work. let us make no mistakes here their gender is to STOP YOUR BENEFITS no amount of acting is going to help anyone, make your case in full in writing a typed statement not just a couple of pages if its twenty pages or even 100 pages it doesn’t matter as long as you include your whole story from the date it began to the present day, with any luck they will be so over run with paperwork it will slow this process down to a crawl
    523. it is always possible that exaggeration in front of an HCP is going to happen, this process is ultimately terrifying to some people and as you probably know yourself waiting for the final decision and not knowing what the future will bring shreds your nerves completely, it is no wonder some are trying anything they can to keep their head above water although I do not condone this kind of fraudulent behaviour. 522 I’d be very careful what you claim to do even anonymously your infinitely traceable online via your IP address. The powers that be have only got to shout fraud at the internet provider and they willingly have to give up your contact information, it may already be to late if this forum is being watched by the DWP which I suspect it probably is, they may well already be searching for you..

    Comment by Anonymous — January 18, 2014 @ 11:38 am

  521. I suppose anonymous in the past has been honest, and has done the right thing, and complied with the Governments wishes at every turn, and found just like yourself that his honesty was used against him, in other words he got pissed on for trying to help himself.
    I know what he means because I’ve been honest with the DWP and they used my honesty to find me fit for work, also I found that ATOS and the DWP lie and cheat at every turn, holding vital information back from reaching the tribunal was the last straw for me.

    So, there will be no more honesty from me, they want to play hardball then that’s the way it has to be, they started it and as far as I’m concerned they picked on the wrong guy, because this blog and our sister site has saved many a poor souls life and cost this Government an absolute fortune,, on the other hand if the Government had been decent and played by the rules and were honest in the first place then this Blog and our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org would not have a need to have existed.

    So Mathew, I understand where your coming from, and in an ideal world it would be great to be honest with each other, but this is not an ideal world, this is a Government of criminals and scumbags, only the other day in parliament Cameron has decided there will be no inquiry into whether the recent upsurge in poverty has anything to do with the recent welfare reforms, even though the MPs voted overwhelmingly for an inquiry and only two were against.

    This is not a democracy anymore, this is a dictatorship, and there is no honesty anymore and there is no trust, and that’s all finished, and maybe there’s no way back.
    Kind of reminds me of the lyrics to the 1860 song by Harry McCarthy (The bonny blue flag) a whole civil war was started because of a lack of trust.

    Maybe we should have a bonny blue flag and get rid of these scumbags that oppress us.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 18, 2014 @ 11:40 am

  522. Would the blog writer kindly contact me. I have a question regarding their knowledge of the contract between Atos and the DWP.

    Much appreciated

    Comment by Elfedwych — January 20, 2014 @ 11:23 am

  523. Hi Elfedwych.

    Any questions of that nature can be answered on our sister site, just think up a username and log in and go to the general questions page.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 20, 2014 @ 11:47 am

  524. i have been on esa now for 4 years with extreme anxiety and depression last year i went for my yearly examination with what they call dr but are nothing less than nurses in fact nurses probably have more qualifications than any 1 of them that work there and yes they said i was fit for work because i was polite and smiling at the person asking me questions this was after i had taken my medication to calm me down what do they want me to do go in there and start kicking off with them coz if that’s what they want well they are having it with both barrels next time i go there politeness has gone out the window them atos pep have not got a clue they read a sheet of paper with the same questions for every 1

    Comment by jason edwards — February 2, 2014 @ 8:50 am

  525. That’s what they don’t want Jason, they don’t want folk kicking of when they get in there, hence the reason why they try to be ultra nice, ATOS… they’re not called the smiling assassins for nothing.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 2, 2014 @ 11:44 am

  526. I have tremendous support and sympathy with everyone affected by this insidious and unsympathetic and very unprofessional Atos company as I have been somewhat involved due to my daughters disability and her dealings with them.
    However, I have said it before and will reiterate it now – there is only one thing which will defeat the manner in which they supress those who do really need help and support, and it is “people power” – there is wonderful strength in people numbers as I have found from a different experiences in the past and succeeded.
    Everyone affected by Atos and its lack of professionalism, or a representative or supporter, or mentor, MUST arrange an appointment and/or speak with their MP.
    Now I know this may not be easy, but it could well be worthwhile, and explain the major problems experienced, asking for this to be raised in Parliament by them and demanding an answer.
    Please, please consider doing this, after all, even just sontacting and speaking with the MP thus, will give everyone a sense of doing something no matter how small it may be.
    Good luck.

    Comment by Dave — February 2, 2014 @ 1:10 pm

  527. Hi again, I am comment 522 and have had difficulties with my pc recently.. Anyway i am not an actor and do suffer from various ailment which gives me a very poor and restricted life ahead.And certainly no conman that some of you seem to read…….furthermore trying to get people to stict together and fight for what is right in this country is like winning the lottery. .but i do hope that those who do might achieve something….As i said, i wasnt prepared to go through with there way of dealing with us..for example a frale elderly man walked in whist i was there being aided by a walking stick and was asked to sign a document to say he had arrived for his appointment.. From that moment he was fit for work….regardless of his ailments… If i can help someone get through who is in need then i will. it might be easier to help some people get what they deserve quicker than trying to change the government,which i do agree with……..the resistence if you like…….

    Comment by Anonymous — February 2, 2014 @ 5:31 pm

  528. @ 522+531 and everyone

    When you talk of sticking together; I have been looking for someone who can read and understand the Atos/DWP contract but it seems like a fantasy. I did write in @ 526 but I don’t think I got a reply? I can’t read stuff like that.

    PDF of Prof Harringtons 2012 review here; click and either open and save or save direct.


    If anyone is interested, I have written to Atos asking them:

    A. How exactly do they care for my health?
    B. What involvement do they have in the building the examination forms?

    I can agree with the Blog writers “question 4″ and say with certainty that the examination ESA50 is definitely biased.

    Did anyone else notice that three ( 3 ! ) of the questions are in the wrong category?! Thus denying the claimant the chance to score points with those questions. This certainly needs contesting as the whole process is still constantly in the development stage. I’m contesting it even though I didn’t need to go for an examination after filling the form in.

    @ 522+531 Unfortunately, some of your comments are brilliant examples of the reason why vulnerable adults on benefits are the subject of a perpetual witch-hunt and hated by the working population – particularly those that are working and have realised they are living below the poverty line – the level of benefits is the poverty line – and they are also in fuel and water poverty! Water poverty in Wales LOL!

    Perhaps lots of people will write in agreeing and giving their own stories; which will be really handy for Atos to make a note of their IP Addresses – we are, after all, dealing with an Information Technology Consulting firm, not a Healthcare organisation.

    @ Everyone; Does the blogger ever appear or are they just an apparition from an Atos closet? :)

    Comment by Elfedwych — February 8, 2014 @ 10:04 pm

  529. Ian.Duncan ( The Slug ) Smith, contracted ATOS for one reason & one reason only. They are one of the largest companies of Liars anywhere on the Planet. I was Medically retired in August 1987. 2 Back Probe Operations, the Wrong Physiotherapy Program resulted in Permanent Sciatica, Arthritis of the Neck within 18 months, leading to 2 Base of the Back Muscles Wasting away. All due to an Orthopaedic Specialist making the wrong decisions as he thought he was a God & not a mere human being.
    In 2003,I went abroad on Holiday, landed at the airport in Medellin Colombia & within 45 minutes was in Hospital with 5 Extra Holes in me, 3 x 9mm Bullets, 2 through & throughs & 1 I still have to this day in my Right Shoulder Blade, so Right Arm & especially the Hand, nigh on useless due to nerve damage.
    BUT!!!! ATOS cured me completely!!! at my WCA on 2nd May 2012!!!!. Appealed!! it was also a Fix & a no go. So was told by a Lawyer to apply for a New WCA, which was carried out on 20th May 2013, I recorded from start to finish. ATOS’s HCP, the same one from my 2012 WCA did exactly the same thing, I received not ONE Point. But on sending 2 recordings of my WCA to DWP Aberdeen, I was contacted by the Decision Making Appeals Team in Glasgow & was told I had been awarded 21 Points for my WCA + the ESA 2008 Regulation Law number 1, Walking distance & was immediately put into the Support Group.
    However my Incapacity Benefit in April 2012, which had been £116.19p per week, after my first WCA it was reduced to £71 per Fortnight, then after the 29th November 2012 Fixed Appeal, it was further reduced to £64.56p per Fortnight. And 3 weeks ago, mid January 2014, I was informed by DWP & JCPlus that my Income was Too Much!!!,
    So the ESA Support Group payment of £64.56p per fortnight >>>> WAS STOPPED COMPLETELY.
    My income is an NHS Pension of £79.71p per week + £113.12p per week Industrial Injuries Benefit. = Total Income of £192.83p. . I must have Won the Lottery buy nobody told me about it.
    Politicians Work??? Very Hard for their Salaries & this is why they need their 11% Increase in salary. Our National Insurance contributions which we all pay into when we are Fit & Healthy, are no longer any good it would seem & anyone in the same boat as me are now classed as the Scum of the Earth ( Benefit Street!!). Now just Human wastage = Death by Political Decisions. It’s a Hard life for our Politicians, so dig deep people & give them what they deserve.

    Comment by Matthew Robertson — February 9, 2014 @ 12:20 am

  530. Mathew, apparently your allowance’s are based upon your Nat Ins contributions you can ask for a copy of your contributions.

    Comment by Anonymous — February 9, 2014 @ 1:56 pm

  531. @527

    Hey, thanks, I ran straight over that one! I’ll get over there now :)

    Btw: Post 532 has spam in the name “2″

    Comment by Elfedwych — February 9, 2014 @ 8:21 pm

  532. I just got letter back from DWP in February 2013. Started claim in July and sat thru ATOS examination in November 2013.

    DWP have assessed my report from ATOS and I scored ZERO on every section? Are they even using my report??? I have a very rare condition called Hypohydrotic Ectodermal Dysplasia and the most severe form. My body cannot control homeostssis and my body overheats very easily, without movement. I suffer with vertigo and vilent swings in blood pressure so get cery faint and often accused of being drunk. I have a near premanent chest infection because of condition again reducing oxygene to my blood making physical tasks more difficult. I have physical and mental fatigue all the time? I lose my voice hourly and I was very hoarse on day of ATOS yet she said I communicated very well and can ‘t eat certain foods, as I cannot swallow well and choke on everyday food, yet she said I was fine. My esteem is knocked heavily due to my condition and it really limits what I can do in life. On top of this really dibilitating condition I haven’t worked since 2008 because of damaging my cervical in a car accident. I can’t stand or sit for long because I get raging back ache and pins abd needles in my fingers and toes.

    I got a clean bill of heath? WTF? DWP are calling my this week. I will be asking them to find my an employer who will put up with being ill all the time and acommodate me fully. They won’t find an employer because there isn’t one?

    DWP and ATOS are in carhoots – no way I scored big fat zeros

    Comment by thefastcanadian — February 10, 2014 @ 6:33 am

  533. In Short! as Jim Davidson would say > Your Pregnant. But I know it’s not Funny, as if you have more than £70 per week coming in & you may or may not receive a Works pension like I do. They can put you into the Support group with my 21 Points & the FIRST ESA Regulation Descriptor, which was what the DECISION MAKING APPEALS TEAM awarded me after listening to my Recording, Mr Osborne now say’s I am entitled to £0 esa. This is 100% TRUE. But good luck to you & hopefully you will not get the same Lying ATOS *ITCH that I got. She gave me exactly “O” points on BOTH of my WCA’s.

    Comment by Matthew Robertson — February 10, 2014 @ 2:06 pm

  534. Firstly, please check out my message at no. 530.
    Secondly, everyone can talk and comment about this until the cows come home, but, having had experience of problems with public bodies several times in the past, it has always been my experience that “people power” is the way to go.
    So, I suggest again that everyone themselves, or their support people or mentors, ALL get in touch with their respective MP’s and request that questions be asked and also proper answers demanded – after all, these people are your personal, paid representatives
    I am not for one moment saying it is easy and it will take time, but the old adage says, “the longest journey starts with the first step” and this way, everyone involved feels just that, ie: that they are involved and doing something about the problem – good luck to you all.

    Comment by Dave — February 10, 2014 @ 2:54 pm

  535. DWP and ATOS are in carhoots – no way I scored big fat zeros.

    Your right there FC it’s all a con, have a look at this article from today’s Scottish Daily record http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/revealed-ten-thousand-poorly-disabled-3129999, but at least you can appeal, and judging by the health conditions you have described you will win that appeal hands down.
    The whole idea of awarding zero points is to totally sicken you and put you off from appealing, so fight them and don’t let them win.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 10, 2014 @ 6:04 pm

  536. i appealed mine and my rep thought i would have won hands down but no still nothing so im going to the next level dont they realize its costing them more money to keep having me appeal and going to tribunals than what im actually entitled  to

    Comment by Jason Edwards — February 10, 2014 @ 8:26 pm

  537. Jason what do you mean appealed ? an appeal to the appeal service or a reconsideration by the DWP decision maker ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 10, 2014 @ 9:59 pm

  538. Jason, That’s why Ian Duncan ” The Slug” Smith, will not face members of the Public or speak on TV about anything concerning DWP decisions. It is a case of Literally (Ever decreasing Circles) until Osborne changes the income allowed for you,me & everyone else who was entitled to the Old Invalidity or Incapacity Benefit down to £70 per week & NO MORE, as that is all we need to live on. My NHS Pension & my Industrial Injuries Benefit are now classed as TOO Much Income.
    So I ask myself, if that is good enough for You & I, then it should be good enough for our wonderful Politicians to live on per week too!!!. One other thing you may not have realised is this FACT > any Politicians Children who are in PRIVATE Education, the TAX Payers of this country PAY FOR THEM. That is a FACT not FICTION.
    Even I was awarded 21 Points for my SECOND WCA & only because I had secretly recorded it via what looks like a USB Memory Stick – Flash Drive, as the ATOS HCP Twice sent Not one piece of my Medical Evidence to the DWP Decision makers.
    But 3 DVDs’ I burned off & sent 2 to DWP Aberdeen & also the third disc to the BITCH of an ATOS HCP!!!!. Named & Shamed in Stirling Scotland Ms MARGARET WALLACE. Conniving & Scheming are two words which are actually too good to be used for her. But as I can only speak 100% Truth, I never need to worry about being Sued for Slander or Libel.
    Good Luck to you Jason, but don’t hold your Breath. My 21 Points & number 1 Regulation Descriptor are worth exactly ZERO.
    Now you just have to worry about getting by on that Fantastic £70 per week.

    Comment by Matthew Robertson — February 10, 2014 @ 10:00 pm

  539. Listen to this & this is TRUE, my First WCA medical evidence the Bitch must have Binned it or shredded it, if they say to you, I don’t need to read it or to see it but I can put it into your File or Folder for the DWP Decision maker to take into consideration, you have FAILED!!!!, as when you go to APPEAL & you have already sent all your medical Specialists/Doctors Reports etc etc, if HCP did not forward any to the Appeal Panel, they will only take the ATOS HCP into consideration, not one piece of evidence you have to send in with a minimum of 14 days before the Appeal is heard!!!. I only found that out, when I had recorded delivery Audio DVDs’ to DWP after my SECOND WCA as the Admin team Leader wrote to me after he had received my DVDs’ & told me that she had sent them exactly the same amount of my Medical Evidence as the First WCA = “O”. True Jason, not Fiction.
    Yours Sincerely, Matt.

    Comment by Matthew Robertson — February 10, 2014 @ 10:07 pm

  540. the both of them now im going to sum thing called the upper tribunal and good luck to them coz im not going they can cum and see me from now on im to ill with it all

    Comment by Jason Edwards — February 11, 2014 @ 7:28 am

  541. Hi again Jason, Matt here!!, To be able to get an Upper Tribunal hearing, the First Tier Tribunal have to give you permission to allow it. When I found out about “O” of my medical evidence being given to DWP Aberdeen on both 2nd May 2012 & also again on 20th May 2013 & as the ANGEL of ATOS Non Lying HCP Ms Margaret Wallace of Stirling,
    I wrote to the Lawyer (Well past sell by date as was also the Doctor) & the Lawyer never even had the decency to reply to me, that was after me hand delivering a letter for both of them into Wallace House in Stirling including my WCA DVD Recording.. The Old Doctor had retired!!!, so only the Retired working Lawyer was still there working for the Devil.. He, I do not know if he had listened to the DVD I had also enclosed with the letter asking him please to give me the written permission for an Upper Tribunal Appeal.
    The only contact I received back was actually from the Clerk of the Upper Tribunal in Glasgow telling me I was TOO LATE to ask for an Upper Tribunal Hearing. Inside the letter from them was a small piece of Yellow Note paper & on it the LAWYER had written (FAO Donna VM. Donna, these were handed to Bob ( Security Guard ) who was asked to give them to Mr Stephen & Doctor Reith. I opened one & it doesn’t seem appropriate to pass them on.9am. 7/11/13. And that was the Damned Lawyer!!! sending that note along with my DVD to Glasgow Upper Tribunal. To say that everyone working for I.D. “The Slug” Smith our wonderful Minister of DWP, must be head of the Biggest Bunch of Illegitimates on the Planet.
    If you don’t expect anything, you won’t be disappointed.
    But Best Wishes from Me to You. Justice is no longer an Option in this country.

    Comment by Matthew Robertson — February 11, 2014 @ 10:14 am

  542. Hi

    I tried to register at the website here:


    ..but I have received no password?

    If I try and register again it says my details are al ready taken?

    Any ideas??


    Comment by Elfedwych — February 11, 2014 @ 1:26 pm

  543. You’ve registered and you received no password, have you checked your junk mail ?.
    If you have checked your spam inbox, then the only thing I can suggest is try new details, different e–mail etc.

    Sorry about that, it’s a real pain in the ass I know, happened to someone else too, don’t know what causes it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 11, 2014 @ 2:20 pm

  544. You mean Dr Sheila Reith, Lecropt house, Bridge of allan, works in private health.
    Yeah I got that old bag at my tribunal too, and guess what ? awarded me zero points.
    I suppose working for a private health company wouldn’t have anything to do with the amount of tribunal denials she dishes out.
    I can’t wait to get that old b*****d again, she’s going to get a real mouthful from me.

    She thinks she can piss all over people and we will accept it, not the next time, she’s going to be a quivering wreck when I finish with her.

    And that posh voice of hers f****n annoys me no end…WE MUST OBEY THE LAW She said to me, f****n criminal hypocrite.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 11, 2014 @ 2:29 pm

  545. Oh I believe it Mathew, I’ve known how they have operated for the last five years, criminal dross..that’s ATOS health don’t care.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 11, 2014 @ 2:40 pm

  546. Your Too Late!!! That Lovely old woman has actually REALLY RETIRED!!! she must be 95 if she’s a day!!!. Reminded me of the wee woman on one of the New NCIS series on Sky. The same woman was also in a film where she acted as a go between when a Kid was pulled into a TV & ended up on the other side. Could have been her twin, they’re both scary looking.

    Comment by Matthew Robertson — February 11, 2014 @ 9:00 pm

  547. Well I had the misfortune to get her around five years ago, will never forget that old bag of a face, and that put on accent.
    The sooner she meets her maker the better, there’s one foot on a banana skin and the other right in the coffin.

    Joan Crawford has risen…from the grave..lol.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 11, 2014 @ 10:43 pm

  548. hi ive got rheumatoid arthritis, i take a lot of medication, ive a medical on 11 march with athos, am so worried, i have read its best to take some one with you, i am going to do that, i know my fate, i dont understand the new rules can u simplify them for me please.

    Comment by Helen Rodman — February 26, 2014 @ 12:48 pm

  549. I suggest this that you should do. 1. Yes most definitely take a WITNESS with you.
    2. Also buy “What is named a COVERT USB RECORDING DEVICE FROM E.BAY” a 2GB is around £8 a 4GB is £13. It is simple to use, just make sure you have a USB 3 Pin Plug to charge it for 5 Hours & the 4GB will record 60 Hours of Audio.Take it to your WCA,, as you enter the examination romm???!!! SWITCH it ON, it will give 3 Quick Red Flashes & then no light will show on it, it is now recording.
    3. Tell the ATOS HCP that you WANT Her/Him to RECORD your WCA & make sure they do it.
    4. As your WCA comes to an end. Then tell the ATOS HCP that you have also Recorded your WCA with them & tell them that you wish for your Recording to be COPIED onto “ANY” Computer they have there in their Office & stay with them at ALL TIMES, do NOT let the USB recorder out of your sight or your Friends/Witnesses Sight. They have to ALLOW your recording to be copied for themselves to have it to. Then ask them for a DISC copy to be made from their Computer & to be signed by the HCP & a witness.
    Doing it that way you literally have All your Bases covered. They cannot refuse to use your recording. BUT also insist that you have an Instant COPY of THEIR Recording put onto Disc CD or DVD Quality. Take your own, just in case they make an excuse saying they don’t have any. BELIEVE me when I say this (They can EDIT!!!! their Recording & manipulate it, so BEWARE).
    Best Wishes for your WCA,

    Comment by Matthew Robertson — February 26, 2014 @ 3:41 pm

  550. What is it you want to know Helen ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 28, 2014 @ 1:01 am

  551. Hi there. I thought I’d share my experience of Atos examinations on here. After two and a bit years on ESA in the support group, I received a phone call today, that told me that my recent Atos assessment – last Thursday had given me 0 points. I shouldn’t have been shocked after the dreadful way they have conducted themselves with me in the past; but I was. Even the lady who phoned me sounded puzzled referring to the assessment form that I sent off some months ago. I should have kept her on the line as I believe she was hinting that as a decision maker, she may be able to adjust the points somewhat, but I was so upset that I told her I couldn’t speak anymore and rang off.
    And the sad part is, that I have been doing really well lately and and working with my Jobcentre advisor and a local charity on a structured return to work, and am perfectly open to the idea that I am now currently borderline. But I fully believe that Atos did this maliciously and here’s why:
    I’m a 40 year old man who has had lifelong anxiety and depression. It has affected every part of my life, I’ve lost jobs, friends and relationships because of how it makes me. Finally, four years ago I decided to see a doctor, after losing one more job from days off sick, and that started a process with many swings and roundabouts and different pills and talking therapies to my current medication which seems to be working fairly well. Instead of weeks and months at a time of hiding away and not wantingto

    Comment by Richy73 — April 12, 2014 @ 12:36 am

  552. Sorry hit the Post button accidentally.

    Cont… not wanting to interact with the world and not being capable either, it now only comes on for a couple of days a week, and I can bounce back more easily, and thiugh I was honest and told my examiner, and was expecting less points than before, to receive zero was a malicious act. And stupid, because if she had acted honestly she wouldn’t have the complaint I am about to make coming her way. And if she really is q doctor or nurse, then I shall also be making a complaint of unprofessional behaviour to the GMC.
    It all stems from the fact that I have had two successful appeals about Atos, in each the judge was scathing of the way Ihad been assessed, and obviously this had not gone down well at Atos.
    In fact after winning the second appeal in September 2012, the judge ordered that I was not to face assessment for a minimum of 12 months, because a month after winning the first appeal, I wad re-assessed and found fit for work. Deposit the fact that I had just received a further diagnosis of severe social anxiety. It was a joke, and luckily this second judge was offended on my behalf. He also took me aside, and said that as far as the law was concerned, Atos are legally obliged to accept your evidence at face value, adding that they had to prove beyond reasonable doubt that you are lying, which they can’t due to medical evidence going back three decades.
    My mistake was writing this in the any other comments section on the form, as I wanted them to know that if they attempted to commit fraud against me again, there would be consequences. I also added that I had no confidence in their testing system, due to my own and others’ experiences.
    However it appears that now they have shot themselves in the foot by being found out to be generally incompetent by even the shower of idiots in the Coalition, they don’t care who knows it.
    Anyway, I have an appointment with my DWP advisor on Monday, though technically I should cancel as I’ve been refused, but he’s actually really helpful and knows I’m making an effort to find work – so hopefully he’ll point me in the right direction. I’ll let you know how that goes!

    Comment by Richy73 — April 12, 2014 @ 12:57 am

  553. Waste of time complaining to the GMC/BMA.I made a complaint about the blatant lies told by the Dr. who paid me a home visit, even offered them a covert video. I was told because he had caused no danger to my health I should take the complaint to ATOS an even bigger waste of time. I have been waiting since last Nov. for a typed copy of his report as his writing was unreadable. Got that this week

    Comment by k davies — April 12, 2014 @ 8:02 am

  554. Hi, Health wise I am a walking disaster area, loads of Specialists’/Doctors’ reports’, paperwork & X-Rays to Prove it. BUT, at my First WCA the ATOS H.C.Professional, submitted NOT ONE piece of my Medical evidence, exactly “0″ was given to the DWP by her (Ms Margaret Wallace of STIRLING ATOS). They have had me going around in Circles for the past 2 years. It is Ridiculous what they do to decent people. You write to DWP & receive Zilch, they tell you to contact ATOS & another round of decreasing circles begins again. Never ending. ,I was told by a Lawyer, to apply for a completely NEW WCA, which I had on 20th May 2013, the SAME ATOS HCP,
    I recorded it & told her at the end of it.You can clearly hear her several times on the recording, saying to me that she DID NOT need to see any paperwork as this is a FUNCTIONAL Test!!!! BUT!!! if I wished, she would put it into my Folder / File for the DWP to read for my Assessment decision.
    Last time I looked, all my Paperwork & X-Rays showed that my Bodily Functions/Physical etc etc did NOT Function properly. She sent exactly “0″ paperwork to DWP yet again but when I sent 2 CDs’ to DWP I was awarded 21 points & the First ESA Regulation 2008 Walking distance, I was informed by the DWP that I had been placed into the “Support Group” by then I was only given £32.28p per week, Mr Osborne changed the Amount of Income anyone needs to Live on, anything over £70 & my ESA payment was stopped completely. So my NHS pension at £318.87p per month & my Industrial Injuries Benefit of £116.20p per week, is supposedly a Millionaires income, so NO Support Group Payment of £110 per week. Only my NHS Pension & my Industrial injuries & that is it. I suppose I am LUCKY in that I have No Mortgage or Loans etc but even so, the cost of Living is getting very near to the Financial Knuckle. So if we Disabled are expected to Live on £70 PER WEEK, why do POLITICIANS need an 11% increase in Salary.

    Comment by Matthew Robertson — April 12, 2014 @ 12:41 pm

  555. This document has a lot of definitions regarding the abuse of vulnerable people; when you are on the sick and incapable in any way, you can be considered vulnerable. Cutting off “necessities of life” is considered very bad as it can be proven to cause tangible harm.


    Ignore the fact the link states “adults in care” as that is not correct. The document is about “vulnerable adults” and you will find a lot of information with which you can challenge the DWP; as they are the ones you need to be challenging regarding Atos.

    Comment by Elfedwych — April 12, 2014 @ 4:06 pm

  556. It quite clearly states in ATOSs own handbook that all paperwork submitted by the client should be scrutinised!

    Comment by k davies — April 12, 2014 @ 4:55 pm

  557. k davies.

    Your complaint wasn’t a complete waste of time, all complaints mount up and are noticed, in the future it can amount to millions of complaints and could come back to haunt them eventually.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 13, 2014 @ 11:06 am

  558. The thing I do not understand is this medical is calling my gp a liar in no uncertain terms.Surley there must be a breach of human rights here?

    Comment by Jo — May 22, 2014 @ 5:59 am

  559. Jo, They are testing your resolve to see if you will quit and just go to work don’t give up Fight Fight Fight get help if need be and send a nice typed letter all about the problems you have with your health on a day to day basis and start from the beginning when it all first started give them your life story on paper basically they want it all to come from you not your doctor, my GP wouldn’t even write me a medical report he said he didn’t have to do it as it would increase his workload to much, so I did it all myself I got zero points to start with but ended up in the support group doing exactly what I have told you above some of it with help getting it on paper from my family that was for ESA and I had to have an Atos Doctor come to my home for DLA but it all worked out in the end. I suppose it will all start again next year when they start putting people on Universal credit if it ever gets off the ground. Good Luck Jo.

    Comment by N — May 22, 2014 @ 10:58 am

  560. One other thing Jo my statement I sent them amounted to 80 typed pages, now I’m not saying your statement should be so large but try to get everything into your statement make it your mission to get this done even if it takes you three weeks of working at it every single day going over it again and again until it is done. keep a copy on your computer for future reference.(or in case they say they have lost it) only send it via special delivery (next day delivery). They are after the people that just fill out the little forms with a few words not the people prepared to put together a statement of facts to defend themselves properly, just filling out the tiny boxes on that ridiculous little form doesn’t give anyone the chance to make any proper statement about their medical history, it all needs to be typed out on seperate paper by the claimant Not the doctor/GP. try typing your medical condition into Google and then type DWP next to it to check to see if your condition is on their reference website the site they go to if they need information on any particular condition. if it is not there then you know that they have no information on your condition and need to make your case even more strongly. make a decent effort yourself Jo Don’t just rely upon your GP they don’t seem to take much notice of GP’s. I was even told on the phone by the DWP that it all had to come from myself not my doctor. then they check with your doctor themselves. The doctor has to reply to them and they are paid to do so.

    Comment by N — May 22, 2014 @ 11:13 am

  561. Finally If you do not like getting anonymous phone calls from the DWP from someone who will only give you a first name, write them a letter requesting that all future communication should be in writing. they will not bother you by telephone any more, it says in their handbook that they must use digital means to contact you unless otherwise requested to do differently by the client/customer, I don’t know what good this information does in their handbook and not out in the public domain but if everyone demanded that they write to them and not phone them their paperwork would double over night and probably hold up the reforms for months.

    Comment by N — May 22, 2014 @ 11:20 am

  562. I foud out that the ATOS ESA50 form is made by the DWP, not by ATOS ; according to Pam Cuerden at the DWP.

    Health Sevices Correspondence Team
    Peel Parl 2nd Floor Phase 2
    Green Zone
    Peel Park
    Brunel Way
    FY4 5ES

    One of the things I am arguing with them – The form is not based on “Plain english” it is based on medical “framing.” Eg : People do not understand the term “cognitive” therefore the form itself is a tool of deception.

    Using the words “medical examination” and medical terms fools people into thinking it is concerned with a medical professional. Once again deception.

    A medical professional is a person that has a lot of power and can intrude a long way into peoples confidence and esteem, thus lowering the resistance of objection to being abused.

    So basically, the whole operation is designed to deceive, abuse and confuse -

    It is use (framing) of medical terminology that creates a deceptive belief in the ESA50 – DWP’s responsibility.
    It is use (framing) of an “official” environment that creates credibility for the deception – DWP’s responsibility.
    It is the deception (framing) of credibility in the ESA50 that allows people to be abused – DWP’s responsibility.
    It is the abuse that shocks (frames) people into a confusion that removes their benefits – DWP’s responsibility.

    ATOS is just doing the dirty work of being there and pretending to be HCP’s (Health Care Professionals) the same as they have been paid to do in other countries.

    If I may say constructively, there is no concensus anywhere on this blog as to what we are trying to acheive?

    What are we trying to acheive? A class action?

    I have tried to join the forum associated with this site to interact with particular themes, but I always seem to have trouble signing up?

    Comment by Elfedwych — May 22, 2014 @ 1:06 pm

  563. Elfedwych… I cannot give an explanation why you can’t log into our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org
    it seems straight forward to me.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 22, 2014 @ 2:15 pm

  564. Elfedwych,
    I think this site has become a sounding board for people to air their different experiences and give some people an idea of what to expect from Atos & the DWP. The trouble is enough has really been said about this and your right Elfedwych there doesn’t seem to be any particular direction for the website to go.
    I find it very depressing reading some of the posts and disconnect myself from receiving updates after a while, it can get you down and make you feel very miserable reading other peoples problems every day.
    I only log in occasionally these days to offer some advice if I can.
    But how many times can you say the same thing over and over again?
    The best way to deal with this is in a political way at the next elections next year 2015 with a strong protest vote against the coalition.

    Comment by N — May 22, 2014 @ 2:25 pm

  565. @ 567 – When I ask for reminder of my password it fails to send one? Thanks

    Comment by Elfedwych — May 22, 2014 @ 3:22 pm

  566. @ 568 – Hi, do you know of anywhere that’s doing a C-Action or anything similar? Thanks

    Comment by Elfedwych — May 22, 2014 @ 3:23 pm

  567. Hi Jo……in my experience Atos Healthcare professionals !! are much further up the chain or so it would seem, The Consultant Brain Surgeon, Consultant Neuro Psychologist , Cognitive Behavioural Therapist and my G.P were all just dismissed !! and the damaged left side of my brain, forhead, left eye and left shoulder were all decribed as mild injuries and ZERO points thankyou very much, it only gets sensible when ”again in my experience”’ it finally get overturned at tribunal.

    Comment by Neil — May 23, 2014 @ 9:39 am

  568. Would it be fair to suggest that thisd organisation is paid according to the interviews they conduct, BUT, is also then paid again for each appeal procedure it is involved with? If the answer happens to be yes, then this could be misconstrued as a licence to print money – or am I being ironically unfair?

    Comment by Dave — May 23, 2014 @ 9:53 am

  569. I know what you mean, I’ve been constantly repeating myself over and over again for the last five years or so.
    There’s new victims of the system every single day, it never ends.
    And being a new victim means slow education into what’s really happening, because at first they refuse to believe it, they can’t believe the Government/DWP would authorise a healthcare company to fabricate (without any accountability) assessments by the thousands upon thousands.
    But they do believe it when it eventually happens to them, and there lies the problem, people will do absolutely nothing until it does happen to them.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 23, 2014 @ 12:46 pm

  570. @572 – By following web-pages such as this one:


    …it seems clear that the DWP pays them an agreed gross sum and then ATOS pay their employees out of that. That’s called a business. Therefore you would have to contact Atos to answer that. Speculating will not answer these questions.

    Here is my last letter to the DWP for example:

    Health Services Correspondence Team
    Peel Park 2nd Floor Phase 2, Green Zone
    Peel Park,
    Brunel Way,
    FYA 5ES
    29th April 2014

    Elfed Dowler-Jones
    xxxx x


    Dear Mrs xxxxxxx

    Thank you for your letter dated 17th April 2014.


    Issue 1.
    Thank you for confirming that Atos did not contact the DWP until the 4th October and did not contact anyone else.
    My benefits were stopped on the 2nd. How did this happen – that is specifically how, not why.

    Issue 2.
    Please send me the copy of the letter sent to me when my benefits were stopped. (Para 2 of your letter.)

    Issue 3.
    Please confirm that I have been attending ”Medical Examinations” with Atos since at least 2007.

    Issue 4.
    Please confirm that, on the ESA50, there is ratification of the term “cognitive” being understood by claimants.

    Issue 5.
    Please confirm that the Apparel and Environmental Design of the Medical Examinations is constructed by the DWP.

    Issue 6.
    Please confirm that the language used in the headings and questions of the ESA50 conforms to Plain English.

    Issue 7
    Do the DWP/Atos have a legal right to stop a claimant knowingly make a recording on her/his own recorder?

    Issue 8
    I am making it clear that I did not make an SAR or a FOI request which you sent me on the 3rd April = SAR xxxxxx.

    I have checked again in my computer and what paperwork I have and I cannot find a reference to it?

    Issue 9
    Thank you for the link to the Litchfield report: Dr Litchfield could not examine the Mental Cognitive Intellectual descriptors.

    Issue 10
    Thank you for verifying you cannot sign the L-MAD-S. There will be other opportunities.

    I look forward to your reply in due course

    Your Sincerely

    Elfed Dowler-Jones
    - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – -

    If we all amass answers to questions in certain areas the we can put them together? Speculation is not enough.

    : )

    Comment by Elfedwych — May 23, 2014 @ 1:01 pm

  571. @ 571 – As far as I am aware, you have to take the information from your specialist(s) in to the actual examination with you. Atos will not check them on your behalf. This has not been spelt out clearly and most people assume that Atos will check on their behalf. The assumption comes form the wording in their documentaion, something like “you can, but don’t have to bring your medical information with you. If you do it might cost you £10.”

    Do you see the kind of suggestion in play?

    Comment by Elfedwych — May 23, 2014 @ 1:09 pm

  572. I presented another medical report at my Atos assessment the Nurse refused to read it I insisted that she read it because the first one submitted was inaccurate and I told her this, A WARNNING TO EVERYONE
    The NHS computer system for GP’s went online in 2007 In my case I had asked for a medical report of my condition from 1989 because the computer system was set up in 2007 all my notes said that I had only suffered from my condition from 2007 I had to go back to the GP and insist that my computer records were changed and changed quickly so that any enquiry from Atos or the DWP was met with the correct information being supplied. I wish I could have my note returned to paper now but it is not possible and as I understand it they have been destroyed.

    Comment by N — May 23, 2014 @ 2:29 pm

  573. That medical report was for ESA I couldn’t get a report done for DLA by my GP no matter how hard I tried.

    Comment by N — May 23, 2014 @ 2:34 pm

  574. @577 – did you send your GP a letter?

    Comment by Elfedwych — May 23, 2014 @ 2:55 pm

  575. oh yes and I got no reply so I tried again and I got a rather pedantic reply and a threat to strike me off the list so I went round to see him straight into his office and told him what I though of him he has not struck me off as yet. he once told me I was obese I said you can talk you fat bastard you should be setting an example.

    Comment by N — May 23, 2014 @ 3:22 pm

  576. I think I’m wasting my time here. Time to unsubscribe. Good luck folks

    Comment by Elfedwych — May 23, 2014 @ 3:41 pm

  577. life gets like that at times pop back and you will learn quite a lot were not all revolutionaries you know.

    Comment by N — May 23, 2014 @ 5:59 pm

  578. Yeah good luck out there Elfedwych.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 23, 2014 @ 10:08 pm

  579. I attended the pip assement the women ebarased me also when it came to the physical test she made me stretch my legs out as if i was haveing a smear my groin crack i am in so much pain my legs are in pain i nearly fell over due to my balance then she did another test and she said that i had a tight grip no i havent

    Comment by pam — June 11, 2014 @ 6:51 pm

  580. Pam…they will try any excuse to deny people PIP or ESA, wait until you see your assessment report, you’ll think they must have got you mixed up with someone else.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 11, 2014 @ 8:20 pm

  581. I had a DLA review done by an Atos Nurse at my Home haven’t yet been assessed for PIP but I think my requests for a copy of the report are being deliberately ignored.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 12, 2014 @ 4:41 pm

  582. They will retain your report for as long as possible anonymous, they don’t want you to see all the lies ATOS have written about you, just part of the DWPs strategy.

    They did the same to me, in fact they never sent me an assessment report at all or a GL24 appeal form either, they just totally ignored me.

    This means I had to appeal without an official appeal form, I was asked why I didn’t have a report, and after an explanation to welfare rights, I believe it helped me win an appeal (as opposed to what the DWP hoped) rather than lose the appeal.

    As you can see, the DWPs strategy backfired this time.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 12, 2014 @ 7:07 pm

  583. Every body should appeal. Atos are not fit for the job. I was fit for work in there eyes. Just had my fourth operation. Had appeal tribunal early this year they agreed with ATOS.So l appealed again second Tribunal said l was not fit for work.l won my case! How long will it take DWP to all back money due to me?. Do they think l can live on fresh air!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 22, 2014 @ 3:27 pm

  584. How long will it take DWP to pay me all money due to me! They told could be 8 to 12 weeks.but they stopped my money within days.Will they paid off my loan l had to take out to live on! I do not thick so.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 22, 2014 @ 3:52 pm

  585. I have offered this advice before and I will do so again, even though some are more help than others, but get your MP involved, if it does nothing else it makes you feel that you are actually doing something and contributing towards reaching a better resolution.

    Comment by Dave — June 22, 2014 @ 4:19 pm

  586. Some of the people who sit on these appeal panels have an agenda, and not an agenda that’s favourable to us.
    I’ve been a victim of corrupt appeal panels too, and also went back and won appeals.
    All I can say to everyone who is a target of ATOS/DWP is to stick in there and just don’t give up.

    By the way anonymous, it is usually six to eight weeks before they get round to acknowledging you have won an appeal and therefore entitled to ESA and a backdate of all the money they owe you.
    As you say, if you lose an assessment or appeal, your money terminates immediately.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 22, 2014 @ 5:04 pm

  587. I have been fighting ATOS since June 2012 6 weeks ago I was placed in S<G with no FtoF, I have had 3 assessments aborted 2 were at my home. I challenged the recording equipment and both a cassette and a c.d were faulty. I had to fill in a new ESA50 in Feb. 2014 and wrote in large red ink all conversations with DWP/ATOS will be recorded as I am not breaking any laws [if I am tell me which ones, no reply] I video recorded both home visits and told ATOS/DWP they were welcome to copies they declined so I say to everyone fight the buggers and don't give. I have to say thanks to everyone on the DWP Forum for help, advice and encouragement

    Comment by k davies — June 22, 2014 @ 6:40 pm




















    THE NOOSE IS TIGHTENING………………………………………………

    Comment by GEOFF REYNOLDS — July 11, 2014 @ 11:20 am

  589. Hi Geof.

    Sorry to hear about all these dreadful things that are happening to you right now, I’ve been trying my best (and on my own on here) for over five years to battle these monsters, and make everyone aware of their true remit.

    As you’ve found out through your own experience there’s no benefits for life (even though you deserve it) with the DWP any more, it’s descended into farce.

    I had the same problem way back in 2009 with regards to this ”CLIENT DECLINED” nonsense.
    An ambiguous pair of words, trying to imply that you refused to carry out their wishes, as opposed to cannot carry (ultra vires) out their wishes.
    I asked a welfare rights officer what it really meant, and was told it meant nothing really, it’s just an opinion.

    The DWP will try any dirty trick to deny you benefits, no trick is too low.

    God save us, is all I can say.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 11, 2014 @ 12:56 pm

  590. They tried the client denied on me after 2 aborted home. recorded assessments but when I pointed out to them I had a video of both assessments and offered them copies thy withdrew I am now in S.G with no face to face. I also filled in the ESA50 in large red letters every verbal contact with ATOS/DWP will be recorded. They are bunch of sneaky rats

    Comment by k davies — July 11, 2014 @ 3:26 pm

  591. they are the biggest bunch of thieving bastards Ive ever known coz you see all the money they are supposed to be saving to sort our country gets split between them all so they can have a extra house and not pay a penny for it i was recently in work up until 5 years ago paid all my taxes and now because i suffer with depression and anxiety since my bro was murdered but they don’t give a shit his reply was you should be a bit over it now and get back to normal i so wanted to rip his head off there and then the heartless cunt cant get proper jobs them who worked for atos as they haven’t’ grown up yet they are still playing at doctors and nurses and there even worse at that than my own diagnosis never going to another so called medical they can shove it fucking pretending to be dr’s the government should be made accountable for everybody who has never passed a medical as none of there so called dr’s have never been to med school or uni i can beet you that so there’s people out there who no all my personal medical info which in its self has dot to be against the law

    Comment by jason — July 11, 2014 @ 9:07 pm

  592. Atos and the DWP are clearly victimising the most vulnerable members of society. After being on ESA for 6 months, I was invited by ATOS for a face-to-face interview. Despite my GP writing to them and recommending a home assessment, they declined. To cut a long story short, I went for an assessment, which was aborted and rescheduled because of my ‘poor attitude’, which was not the case, to the contrary, the assessor was a rude bully. I complained in writing to ATOS, copying the letter to my GP, MP, Iain Duncan-Shit. I also made it explicitly clear that if my mental health and physically health were to be further compromised by their bullying and victimisation, that the responsibility would be theirs. I take it as no coincidence that I was immediately placed in SG, backdated for 6 months. My fear is what about those people who are socially isolated, or who do not have the capacity to type a letter, because they are in the depths of depression. It is those who have no voice that are being truly exploited, because they cannot fight back.

    Comment by Simone — July 11, 2014 @ 10:54 pm

  593. It’s always the same when dealing with bullies, take it up the backpipe without complaint, and next time the consequences will be bigger and even more painful.

    The DWP and ATOS (who are in first name terms with each other by the way… Law dee law dee law dee daaaa I say Charles old chap) used to ignore complaints from their clients and just carried on with their dreadful work regardless, secure in the knowledge that there was a Government inspired media ban on anything to do with welfare or the name ATOS. and confident they would not be prosecuted for lying and cheating and forging ESA 85 assessment reports, they can’t do that quite so easy now, because the backlash over the last few years in the alternative media like this Blog and our sister forum et al is destroying their reputation (well whatever reputation they had) so now they pick on the very weakest to achieve their bonus targets.

    That’s the severely mentally ill who are in no position to defend themselves, the non complainers who are willing to take what’s coming to them because they can’t be bothered, the clueless folk who can’t get access to the internet to find out what’s really happening and therefore don’t insist on their WCA being recorded, their rights etc etc.

    Go to your WCA with a tee shirt that says ATOS KILLS on it, and they fear you, demand that your assessment is recorded and they fear you

    Alternatively if you sit there in the ATOS assesssment centre like a small frightened rabbit, the ATOS Doctor/s lick their lips and rub their hands in glee, and think to themselves another easy bonus.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 12, 2014 @ 8:36 am

  594. Are people still having Atos Assessments because I thought they walked away from their contract with the government several weeks ago claiming that their staff were receiving death threats from the public?
    I do appreciate that some people may be trapped in a situation where Atos told lies about them and may not still be receiving any money when they were previously.

    Comment by Anonymous — July 13, 2014 @ 1:10 pm

  595. They (ATOS) haven’t walked away from the contract yet, they still have the contract to carry out assessments for Personal independence payment (PIP) and they are still carrying out assessments for Employment and support allowance but on a much lower scale (supposedly until a new set of con men take over), PIP is taking priority at the moment.

    Since the media have largely forgotten about ATOS and are at least for the moment of their backs then we can expect an ATOS revival – and back to their old tricks – when it’s all died down.

    Yes ATOS have been discredited and proven to be liars, but they are still allowed to assess people on their fitness to work.

    What’s the saying ? couldn’t make it up.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 13, 2014 @ 1:54 pm

  596. They supposedly have until Feb 2015 before another assessor gets the contract.

    Comment by wildthing666 — July 13, 2014 @ 1:57 pm

  597. Thanks for your reply, It seems as though PIP Claimants that are coming up for renewal are the main target at the moment then? as those of us on an indefinite award of DLA are to be assessed next year 2015 hopefully Atos will be long gone by then and so will the Lib dem/Cons government. just wait and see if they get back in again and what happens when they start reforming the pensions of elderly people.
    Pensions they dare not touch because it brings them their biggest supporters on polling day.
    Isn’t it strange when I was 16 years old the conservatives where in power then with Mrs Thatcher and I felt the hammer come down when she stopped funding to the Vosper Thorneycroft Training centre and my apprenticeship was ended prematurely two years early. Now I am 48 years old and The Conservatives are still treating me Like a piece of muck of their shoe. what I shall never understand is why the aged population who support the Conservatives never realise the damage that they are doing to the younger generations almost as though they are living in their own private bubble ignorant of what is happening around them. If they had been under the same or similar pressures in life it would be a story they would tell for years to come and they still vote them back in again.

    Comment by N. — July 13, 2014 @ 2:16 pm

  598. Yes N, they need to get through the PIP assessments first, they have the contract for that and need to get people of their backs.

    It’s nothing to do with leaving their contract, and everything to do with getting the heat of them to gain time.
    As I said, once they get through this PIP nightmare, they will be back carrying out assessments for ESA with full gusto.

    ATOS aren’t gong anywhere unless we put maximum pressure on them, and anybody who thinks they are leaving their contract voluntarily is a fool.

    I can’t believe people can be so gullible.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 14, 2014 @ 8:24 am

  599. dwpx,
    this is probably the most accurate report on the contract ending I can find which tells us where they are continuing to conduct PiP tests in the UK. and that their contract to conduct esa tests runs out at the end of 2014. link below.
    Regards, N.

    Comment by N. — July 14, 2014 @ 11:52 am

  600. It’s going to be the same assessment, the same WCA, the same Doctors and nurses, the same descriptors, the same psychosocial model (pain is all in the mind) of disability, and the same old DWP pen pushers making erroneous decisions.

    Just a potential change of company name, doesn’t matter if it’s called ATOS, TWATOS, SOTA, TOSA any old name will do, because the name of the head of the snake doesn’t matter if it’s the same system still in place.

    That’s why we mustn’t be complacent and rest on our laurels, they will be back and we will be ready, mark my words.

    ATOS given £10 million contract, so much for leaving.


    Comment by dwpexamination — July 14, 2014 @ 6:06 pm


    Comment by DEBBIE PHILLIPS — July 21, 2014 @ 2:46 am

  602. Hi Debbie.

    It’s difficult to understand what you mean, are you saying you have appealed and it was a paper hearing due to the fact you could not attend the appeal hearing, the hearing was heard in your absence then and you were found fit for work ?.

    Or are you saying the DWP have reconsidered their original decision to find you fit for work (mandatory reconsideration) and stand by their original decision, which means you now have to appeal to the appeal service for a hearing ?.

    Reading between the lines, I think you mean your appeal was heard by the appeal service, and you have been found fit for work.
    If that’s the case then you can only appeal to the second tier on a point of law, for you to do that you will have to take serious advice from a welfare rights officer, or a lawyer skilled in case law.

    If that’s true and your appeal was disallowed then for money you have two choices, first choice is to sign on for work, obviously that’s not an option in your case.
    Second choice is to reapply for ESA, you can do that provided at least six months have passed from the date the decision maker informed you that you were fit for work.
    There is another requirement before you can reapply, which is there needs to be a worsening of your present health condition and or a new health condition.
    You will also have to supply the DWP with sicklines.

    Everything is a con, all designed to sicken you and put you off benefits like ESA and PIP.

    There is no such thing as benefits for life anymore, that’s all over, I keep explaining that to everyone, and it seems no one is listening.

    The Governments whole remit now is to target everyone on sickness benefits and make their lives an absolute misery in the hope they just give up and go and sign on for work.

    Sorry to be the one to bring the bad news, but it’s the truth, the DWP are an organisation of liars and disinformation artists, dealing with them is extremely stressful, they have made it so deliberately, to get as many people as possible to come off sickness benefits to improve their figures in order to please their master… Iain Duncan Smith.

    Comment by Zoro at dwpexamination — July 21, 2014 @ 6:15 am

  603. Hello Debbie, I have been through a simular experience, six months after serious head injury, long coma, brain surgery etc, & now all the mental problems that go with head/brain injury I had my atos medical farce and scored zero, my injuries were described as mild !!, after two fruitless appeals, I went to a tribunal where at last it got sensible and a true understanding of my condition could be seen by the intelligent and honest independent doctor and magistrate etc, it took about 5 minutes to be overturned, I hope it turns out good for yourself…….Neil

    Comment by Neil — July 21, 2014 @ 8:02 am

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