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Help me to raise our profile

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Hello folks,

Talking to Stan and Joe over the last couple of days has resulted in an idea. In thinking of ways to raise the profile of our fight against ATOS cruelty I drew up a small pocket sized business card using microsoft publisher.

This is what I came up with, can I be so bold as to suggest you either copy this wording or come up with an alternative wording (Sharing it with us of course) and drop these in convenient locations like your local pub, club, telephone box etc. You get the drift wherever Joe Public may find them. It can only raise our profile

Here is the suggested content.


                                       Victim Support


                        Are you a victim of ATOS Healthcare?

                          About to attend an ATOS “Medical”?

                         Recently had your Benefits stopped?


                      Help us to STOP ATOS & DWP Abuse NOW!

Good luck and get thinking, I dropped a couple at the doctors today and will even be able to get one or two into my local ATOS Benefit Denial Centre


  1. I have my 2nd ESA assessment today and hopefully I can give out, (under the watchful eye of the staff)some slips of paper with yours and whywaitforever details on encouraging people to look online.
    I suddenly wondered if this mightbe another idea on how to raise the profile; Well, I have been accusing Atos and DWP of fraud over my medical assessment last year, and friends said “oh, you cant do that, they will take you to court for defaming their reputations”. Well that would be great for three reasons. First I would not be defaming them, it is them who are defaming me, so providing the court are honest, it will have cost DWP & Atos legal costs, and (2)it gives me my day in court with them which I would make damn sure it received much media coverage by inviting every newspaper, tv news channel etc to attend, and (3) what is the worst they can do to me if I lost? Make me pay all fees at the rate of 20p a week out of whatever benefit I am forced to receive?

    What do you reckon everyone?

    Comment by rebelliousstreak — May 9, 2011 @ 7:47 am

  2. They would never take you to court, because they would lose, the evidence against them is overwhelming.
    The Judge would find in your favour and it would be them who had to pay expenses to you.
    That’s why you never hear any official rebuttals from ATOS, taking someone to court or threating anyone with the very laws they have broken is absurd.

    They are lying low and hoping everything will all die down through time, but we are not going to go away, and that’s a pain they are going to have to live with every single day they present themselves for work.

    I have my ESA assessment tomorrow, and I will not be shaking hands with their so called Doctor, I wiill take a notebook and note down all times and what was said (If asked why I’m taking notes ? the answer will be for the appeal) all questions will be answered in the negatiive and I will make the assessment as difficult and annoying for them as possible, as well as looking at the walls rather than them.
    I’m going to fail anyway, they have made that clear to us all, so I have nothing to lose.

    Why should we make their working day easy, let’s make them work for their bloodmoney !!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 9, 2011 @ 8:25 am

  3. Hi,
    First of all good luck tomorrow. You never said you are taking anyone with you, I made the mistake of going alone last time, and they took full advantage of that and the ‘alleged nurse’, kept throwing me off balance by making comments about a condition she claimed I had, etc which as there were no witnesses, I couldnt prove later. It clearly states in their contract she is not allowed to make comments about a medical condition unless she needs to make me aware of it and has to report it. Of course she never mentioned it in the report, she did it for trying to knock me off guard so I would be busy thinking about some unknown complaint.
    They may imply that your note taking is evidence of good concentration etc, so if you could have got someone to go with you, they could have written on your behalf. You could keep slowing them down though, saying, “you are going too fast and preventing me from being able to concentrate, so I can do my notes”. Explain you have difficulty in recalling information and need to note take etc.

    I too will be antagonistic, as they are, and before they even get to see my I.D. etc I am going to ask to see theirs as “I cannot just giveout sensitive information to anyone who claims to be a health professional”. I asked for this info 4 weeks ago and they have ignored me so far and if he/she doesnt comply it will be time to see the manager, and only when I am satisfied with their qualifications etc, will I proceed.If they dont and by some strange chance I allow the assessment to contiue, they will also find me unreceptive with any ‘touchy, touchy physical stuff’. If they won’t prove their qualificatins then I am sorry but my body is not going to be touched by someone who could be the cleaner or security guard, for all I know. I shall remind them of my rights at every, opportunity. Like you, I am not going to make it easy for them. They think I am a pushover, but they are in for a rude awakening.
    I encouraged a housing assoc. to take me to court because I never removed light fittings and some other things when moving out of their property, a couple of years ago. My rent was paid up in advance for another 3 weeks and I expected them to give me chance to remove them, but they went in after handing my keys in and paid contracters to remove the few things, and sent me an inflated bill. I could not believe they would go through with it but they did to their great cost. After two court hearings they lost out and the Sherif (it was in Scotland), humiliated them, because they were in the wrong, and they had in fact broke the law. It was well worth the stress to stand up to these bullies and it must have cost them thousands. Bet they think twice with other people.
    I am still going to try provoking Atos into taking me to court. Today I am going to say right from the beginning that I distrust them, from my bad experience of last years fraudulent report. Their responses will be noted by my friend. I will dig, and dig to see if I can get a negative response from these so called professionals, my excuse is that I am stressed and unwell, but what can they say?

    Once again, good luck, let us know how you get on tomorrow.

    Comment by rebelliousstreak — May 9, 2011 @ 10:14 am

  4. I’m going alone because I don’t want any witnesses, LOL.
    Yes…they are going to lie on the assessment anyway, whether a witness is there or not, and because they are compulsive liars, then it doesn’t really matter, they have lost all credibility now.
    The welfare rights are never surprised now with anything that’s written on the ESA 85, I could walk in there tomorrow doing handstands, shadow boxing, skipping etc, and because they are totally without integrity or credibility, no one will believe it.

    That’s one of the problems with constantly telling lies, like the little boy who cried wolf, there comes a point when anything that’s said will not be believed, even when the truth is told.

    And that’s what is going to happen to ATOS because they are past that point now, past the point of basic decency, way down as low as you can go, once the public find out what they are all about, what they are really like, then as far as ATOS are concerned the party will be over.


    Unfortunetly we are the pioneers, nothing like this has ever happened before, at least in our life time, we have to bear the brunt and shoulder the burden for everyone that comes behind us in the future.
    We don’t have a choice we have to fight, and since we are right and they are wrong then we will win in the end.

    I will let you know how thing’s went tomorrow evening, in fact I could probably write it today, because I already know what’s going to happen.

    Once upon a time I went for an ATOS assesment and I met a lovely Doctor who had my best interests at heart, he/she made me feel welcome and shook my hand etc, etc, etera. YAAAAAAAAWN.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 9, 2011 @ 10:50 am

  5. Hi again,
    just got back from my assessment and thought I would tell you how long we were there. My appt was for 2.15, so we got there early and there were a few others in the waiting room. Once I arrived, the man on the reception, started to tell us they were running late, using computer problems as the excuse, (How original). He than went on further but only really addressing me and my friends, to tell me we might have to come back etc, so if we left we will be guaranteed a first appt on either morning or afternoon. All the while focusing on me because I am the one who has complained. Despite his pathetic excuses, and ever changing story, the others got in just a bit later. By this time I had handed out slips of paper with reference to this forum and whywaitforever, and had advised people about what they get up to. So we decided to stick it out and said the only reason we would have my assessment another day, would be if it was in my home. So he came back with another story about how one poor nurse had fainted, so they were short manned and again, aimed at us, would we come back another day rather than wait any longer. We knew this was all deliberate, because he only spoke to me and my friends and changed his story several times. I have upset them so they are getting back and this is how they choose to do it. Eventually I was seen by a nurse who refused to show me evidence of her qualifications or her Nursing reg no. We decided we had better get it over with having been there 2hrs BEFORE I was seen and another 2hrs Afterwards. We got out at 5.45 Surely this must be a record? I guess I have really ****** them off. This was in Durham. Needless to say I was not very well by the time I got out so I am off to the docs in the morning. Then I will add to the complaint I have already given them and they can ignore me but I just go to the next level. MY turn to make them suffer.

    Comment by rebelliousstreak — May 9, 2011 @ 5:44 pm

  6. Brave man going it alone. There was a notice on the wall which said that note taking cannot be used against them and they will challenge it ‘IF’ it goes to a tribunal, she told us. Of course they will.Doesnt mean they are going to win though does it? You said on one of your comments that these are narcissistic (is that spelt right, my brain has left the building!)people. They are certainly so sure of themselves and because they are getting away with so much, they are deluding themselves by thinking they are untouchable. Our day will come.
    Would tell you more but need to find something to destress myself first. Once again, the best of luck for your assessment, Sorry I didn’t stick with what I originally said about not letting them continue without evidence of qualifications, but Iwas so sore I could not face having them do the same thing again. I just wanted to get out. :)

    Comment by rebelliousstreak — May 9, 2011 @ 5:58 pm

  7. I have to go it alone because i’m a sado with no friends, LOL.
    Anyway, I don’t blame you for wanting to get out of there, I will be the same tomorrow, and if challenged with regard to the notetaking, then it’s a memory aid for the appeal.
    No wonder the nurse fainted, she must know that almost everyone in the building hates her, and she can’t take the strain.
    Well I suppose she can always apply for ESA, at least she’ll know all the cons.

    Cheers… a report will be coming tomorrow, and of course it is going to be negative, hell I’ve got my appeal written out already. Ha Ha.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 9, 2011 @ 6:53 pm

  8. sorry I could not get back to you earlir, I am up to my limit on download time from my service providor. Am doing this on the free ime until I get new update at end of month.
    Firstly I cannot find your feedback now you have been to assess, can you point me in direction, have poor concentration so easily get distracted. Hey about the friend thing, you have all of us dont forget, we are a huge community of friends, getting bigger all the time. I forget to ask them for an appeal form, any idea how to get one without ringing them up and asking them for one?
    kind regards

    Comment by rebelliousstreak — May 13, 2011 @ 6:35 am

  9. OOps, didnt realise I had so many typo errors. Sorry.

    Comment by rebelliousstreak — May 13, 2011 @ 6:36 am

  10. Any potential authors out there? It is free to write an electronic book for kindle.
    If sold, money could help legal battle.

    Comment by rebelliousstreak — May 13, 2011 @ 6:48 am

  11. I mentioned on another page that I was due to be assessed, and would write a report, it turned out that the assessment was such an unevent, there wasn’t anything worthwhile to write, just the same old claptrap, and we have all seen and heard of assessments of this type by the hundreds perhaps even thousands, nothing is really going to change at these assessments, I was asked the same sly try and catch me out questions, like when you are at the supermarket can you hear what the checkout person is saying in there, because it can be a bit noisy sometimes. (I have a problem hearing in a busy street) that’s why I was asked that question.

    He never at any stage asked me how I do my shopping or where I do my shopping, not even once, but my innocent answer to an unrelated question to shopping will be interpretated on the ESA 85 report to the DWP as ”HAS NO PROBLEMS SHOPPING IN LARGE SUPERMARKETS” how do I know this ? because I know their MODUS OPERANDA, and just about every question they ask is double trouble !! TRUST THEM NOT.

    It’s difficult to handle this type of interrogation because you have to answer questions truthfully, and all your answers get taken out of context, and it’s all to deprive you off your rights, they have no interest whatsoever in helping you find work, they have no interest whatsoever in helping you in any way, that’s just Government Chris Grayling and Daily mail claptrap. And as far as I’m concerned they are liars and criminals.

    You say you want an appeal form ? you can get an appeal form (GL 24 form) if you walk in to any Jobcentre plus and ask for one, I’ve never had a problem when I walked in off the street and asked, the alternative is to write and ask them to send one on, but I suppose you don’t want to write to them to try and have as little contact with them as possible…!!

    The police are under the control of Tresa May the home secretary, and a right Tory if ever there was one the police will do nothing unless she says so, of course if the Tresa Mays of the world want you arrested for demonstrating outside an ATOS or DWP centre that can be arranged all right with just one phone call.
    This is not a free country, this is a dictatorship, these people are a gang of criminals and the police are their own private army. The sooner we are rid of them, the sooner we can get decent social conditions. And the sooner we can have true freedom, the frightening thing is, the other alternatives in this so called democracy aren’t much better. SO IT’S EASY TO SEE THAT TO ATTAIN REAL FREEDOM THEN THE WHOLE SYSTEM HAS TO CHANGE, NOT JUST TURNING TO THE OTHER SO CALLED AVAILABLE POLITICAL PARTIES TO SAVE US. http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 13, 2011 @ 10:35 am

  12. Thank you again,

    Well if we cannot get help by following rules, then we must do what the ‘enemy’ are doing: ignore the rules. My mp was waste of time too. When find out how to scan onto webpage I will show her letter and my reply to it. I havent wasted anymore recorded postage expense on her, I have emailed her.
    Told her my response to her response she will find below. Captain SKA LIar Liar song.

    Comment by rebelliousstreak — May 15, 2011 @ 6:03 am

  13. iv got an assesment tomorrow,and i am going well prepared with a helper ,and armed and ready,i to have contacted my mp[yevette cooper] she did nothing what so ever,which is hardly suprising as it was her who started this whole horror show. you have to fight back otherwise they will walk all over you. there is more fighting back than you think.dont get disheartened.

    Comment by Anonymous — October 25, 2011 @ 7:37 pm

  14. Yvette Cooper what a joke she is, you are correct she is one of the dirtbags who started this terror campaign, and has a lot to answer for.
    Good luck tomorrow, and whatever happens go to the forum if you haven’t already. http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 25, 2011 @ 8:36 pm

  15. my husband who is sick.and disabled,has just had his mobility,and dla stopped,making him housebound,this has had a dramatic impact on his failing health,the man from attos,wrote down a obvious pack of lies.how can they do this to genuine sick,and disabled people,we will take our case to the high court if we have to.also we are about to contact the press and expose them corrupt bxxxxxxs for what they are, all genuine sick and disabled,fight these people to the death,dont let them grind you down,has hard has it is,good luck to us all,stand tall,be strong,and we will all make a diffrence one day,kind regards lorraine,

    Comment by p and l farrow — February 21, 2012 @ 7:34 pm

  16. Hello Lorraine.

    We have been trying to tell people all this for the last three and a half years, I wish we could have all caught on back then, now we have a long road ahead of us, the welfare reforms have been forced through and god are they going to make us all suffer.
    ATOS in conjunction with the DWP have been getting away with this for all that time and now they think they are unaccountable, think they can say what they like and do what they like, all the lies, the fabricated medical assessments, the erroneous decisions by the so called decision makers at the DWP, it’s absolutely criminal and they are just going to carry on as normal, we aim to try and stop them here and at the sister site http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/index.php we tell it like it is, no bullshit or false promises, just the truth and HOW IT REALLY IS..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 21, 2012 @ 8:20 pm

  17. http:www.avaaz.org/en/petition/stop_the_old_sick_and_injured_and_disabled_of_western_countries_baring_the_brunt_of_savage_cuts_in_the_name_of_austerity/?launch
    trying to get this off the ground if anyone fancies signing and backing me

    Comment by head56 — July 19, 2012 @ 10:31 am

  18. Hello head56.

    Your link opens up to the avaz petition site, it would be a good idea to supply a proper link to the petetion, if you do this then you may find some joy, most people don’t know that one can highlight and click open link etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 19, 2012 @ 2:13 pm

  19. i know that link is in blue in my e mail takes you straight to petition not good with computers i will figure it out go into edit but cut copy and paste won’t highlight

    Comment by head56 — July 19, 2012 @ 2:43 pm

  20. I’ve had that problem myself, refusing to copy and paste, but there will be a way round it, anyway I opened up the link and signed it, so let’s hope it takes off, once you have it sorted out then you can put the link to the sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org, you will get some signatures there, and they will pass it on to others etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 19, 2012 @ 3:19 pm

  21. thank you very much know what i want to say as you have seen this computer thing is driving me mad my brain is still in feet and inches i will get there in the end

    Comment by head56 — July 19, 2012 @ 3:29 pm

  22. I saw this request from a lady on one of your comments pages ( Hi there, i am still looking for a Dr Ian Wilson who is an Atos professional medical practitioner, i have searched all over and cannot seem to find any information on this man who assessed my husband as medically fit to work, even though we have a letter from a lung specialist and our own GP stating my husband was not fit work, the DWP did not pay any money to him until after he sadly passed away. I want to find out what qualifications he has got to allow him to act like a God and to mess about with peoples lives. My husband was seriously ill, and he sadly died, so this professional medical practitioner who i cannot find, got it very wrong, and therefore i feel he should pay the price for this big mistake.
Comment by Mrs J Simpson — March 27, 2012 @ 12:31 am) and I would like to say that this person Dr. Ian Wilson is due to home visit me on Feb 15th.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 25, 2013 @ 4:27 pm

  23. Hello Anonymous.

    I would tell him he’s a wanted man, and he better get out of town fast or else, he might even crap it and pass you unfit for work in case you shop him up to the GMC.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 25, 2013 @ 5:03 pm

  24. Where is this Ian Wilson a practitioner? Are you talking about a bald guy with glasses?

    Comment by JohnyWilson — April 27, 2013 @ 11:19 am

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