Dwp examination

How to request reconsideration

 Many of our members have found they have scored “0” points in their W.C.A. and thus their Benefits have been suspended. As the suspension notice usually arrives on or after the claimants usual pay day, panic ensues, followed by a call to JC+ and advice from the Jobcentre to sign on for J.S.A.

 Note, as soon as you know you have not scored sufficient points it is essential to contact your local C.A.B. or Local Authority welfare rights office and request assistance from them. They are under severe pressure at the moment so get your request in quickly.

 This is not necessarily the case; there is another option, one which will give you some money whilst you seek reconsideration.

 What is the difference between reconsideration and an appeal?

Reconsideration: - When a JC+ Decision Maker looks again at the ATOS H.C.P.’s report or any new evidence you or your Doctors, specialists etc provide.

 Appeal:- When your case has been reconsidered by the JC+ DM and is sufficiently borderline to be passed to the first tier Tribunal.

 What to do

 When you receive notice of your suspension due to scoring insufficient points to retain your Benefits do the following;

Make sure you have printed off our contact sheet or have a pen and paper in a convenient and comfortable spot near to your phone before you begin.

Call jobcentre plus, ask the person you speak to for their name and contact number.

Go on to request a GL24 form and a copy of the ESA85 assessors report.

Tell the JC+ operative you will be seeking reconsideration and you wish to be put on the “Assessment rate” during the appeals process.

The assessment rate is the same as JSA and allows you to retain any other help with rent and council tax you were receiving prior to your benefit suspension.

When you have the GL24 and ESA85

First make a copy of the ESA85.

Read through the document carefully, you may have to pause during this part of the process as it can be quite frustrating to find out what has been written about you. If you find this difficult get someone you know and trust to help you.

Highlight every piece of information you consider to be;

Innacurate

Assumed

Untrue

In this order, using a different coloured marker helps.

If you are going to dispute a descriptor it is essential you provide supporting evidence from your own H.C.P. as the Tribunal will accept the word of the ATOS H.C.P. if you do not do so.

Next, deal with one set of descriptors at a time. Write out the descriptor you are disputing, next to it say why, then indicate what evidence you have to support your challenge.

For example

Descriptor

Mobilising unaided by another person with or without a walking stick, manual wheelchair or other aid if such aid can reasonably be used.

a)Can not either:(i) mobilise more than 50 metres on level ground without stopping in order to avoid significant discomfort or exhaustion;

or

(ii) repeatedly mobilise 50 metres within a reasonable timescale because of significant discomfort or exhaustion

I can not mobilise more than 50 metres on level ground without stopping in order to avoid significant discomfort or exhaustion. I mobilise using (state type of aid) and have been receiving treatment for (state disability) from (state specialist/ Dr/ etc) and have enclosed the following evidence to support my statement. Please see (Name evidence or give reference number).

It is essential you have supporting evidence.

By the time you have completed this exercise you may have received the result of the reconsideration, if the outcome is positive then you have no need to go any further, if it is negative the DM will inform you if he thinks you case can go forward to the first tier tribunal and you should continue checking and double checking your ESA85 form for errors in preparation for your appeal

Note: The space provided for your request on the GL24 form is deliberately small, therefor if you want to go into detail please fell free to continue on additional sheets. It is essential you write your name, the date and your N.I. No at the top of each additional page and numbers them thus (in this example there are 5 additional pages) Page 1 of 5 , 2 of 5, 3 of 5 numbering each page accordingly

Example

 Additional Information

Fred Blogs

N.I. No AB 12 34 56 C

Date 01/01/12

Page 1 of 5

 

220 Comments »

  1. A letter has just arrived from ATOS that tell me I scored zero points on the back to work examination.
    I contacted the Job Centre and spoke to someone about my case. I got this persons name, and asked for a copy of my results of the back to work medical.
    How long should it be before I am supplied with the record of the examination?
    Do I need this document to challenge this report( ESA85)
    Do I need to contact DWP to be put on the “Assessment rate” during the appeals process?
    I have got over 40 years of paying taxes, and having a regular wage each week, and its difficult wandering through this mine field of claiming benefits.
    This site has been of great help on my trail into the unknown.

    Ascot………………………………………………………………….

    Comment by Ascot — January 19, 2012 @ 12:33 pm

  2. Hello Ascot.

    The only document you will receive is the ESA 85 that’s the functional assessment report, obviously you are appealing so ask for the GL 24 form that’s the official appeal form, make your appeal and add at the bottom that you would like to be paid at the assessment rate whilst waiting for the appeal to be heard (do not rely on phone calls to muppets), it’s best if you wait for the ESA 85 report before you appeal (can vary, sometimes next day, sometimes weeks) because how do you know what you are appealing against if you do not see the report.
    Wandering through the minefield of benefits is daunting and can be a challenge for any single person that’s why lots of different opinions can instill you with more confidence and you can get that here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ glad we could help.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 19, 2012 @ 2:25 pm

  3. Thank you for the swift reply, if possible I will post again should I have problems with the system.
    What happens if the month is up and they have not sent me the ESA85 form.?
    I am on day 4 of the 1 moth count down.
    When I make a call to the DWP, I make written notes then transfer the notes onto an XL spreadsheet.
    I find XL a good medium to play these people at thier own game.
    Cheers again
    ASCOt.

    Comment by Ascot — January 19, 2012 @ 6:17 pm

  4. If they do not send it to you within a month (Which is unlikely but not unknown) then you should have your basic appeal all ready anyway to send on, for instance on the GL 24 form you can write something basic like this.

    I wish to appeal against your decision finding me fit for work, I believe my capacity for work is limited and will send the tribunal as well as your office a full submission when I finally receive the ESA 85 assessment report.
    Please note, I wish to be paid the assessment rate whilst waiting for the appeal to be heard.

    The reason I advocate letting them know you will send a copy on to the tribunal service as well as the DWP office is because they may just send on the GL 24 to the tribunal and bin the rest, we are dealing with potential crooks here, so stay safe.

    Make up your own words and your own way to express it, but the main point is that since they haven’t sent you the report and you need the report to forward a full submission that challenges all the descriptors that concern your health problems as well as keeping to their I month guidline then a short submission will get the ball rolling and keep you safe, they have no excuse to delay your money for instance.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 19, 2012 @ 7:19 pm

  5. Thank you for your advice,.
    I am glad you are packing my parachute.
    ASCOT

    Comment by Ascot — January 20, 2012 @ 2:26 pm

  6. If the DWP throw you out that plane without a parachute, you can always do a James Bond and grab my legs..!!

    CHEERS.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 20, 2012 @ 3:09 pm

  7. A big 10/4 on that one amigo

    Comment by Anonymous — January 20, 2012 @ 3:31 pm

  8. When I went for my so called back to work medical, is it up to me to bring my GP notes to this exam, or should ATOS request the notes for themslves?

    Comment by Anonymous — January 23, 2012 @ 7:20 pm

  9. Hi Anon.

    ATOS will not request anything that will help you, so you must take any medical evidence you have with you, remember they are not calling it a medical assessment anymore, they are calling it a functional assessment, so when you show your medical reports they will probably do one of two things, either photocopy it and if they do make sure you get it back, or tell you there’s no need to look at it because it is not a medical but a functional assessment, in other words it’s not your health condition they claim they are going to look at, but what your health condition allows you to do (Remember it’s not what you can’t do, but what you can do) and this will be the criteria that decides whether you are fit for work (any work) or unfit for work.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 23, 2012 @ 8:25 pm

  10. ASCOT

    What is the difference between the ESA65 03/11 form and the ESA85 form?

    Comment by Anonymous — January 24, 2012 @ 12:12 pm

  11. ASCOT.
    Why does it take 3 telephone call to the DWP to have them send me a copy of the ESA85 form.
    I have spoken to 3 people and hey promised me the world and I am still waiting for this document.
    As you all know, I have 28 days in which to formulate my response to my so called ATOS crib sheet, so I can appeal against ATOS results.
    How would I go about complaining about this state of affairs.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 26, 2012 @ 1:36 pm

  12. Hello Anonymous.

    Because the people you were talking too are in a call centre, and don’t know their arse from their elbow, you can complain by letter to the office who deals with your claim, and ask again could you please forward me my ESA 85 report, because as you are aware I am appealing against your decision to find me fit for work.
    Whether you get the report or not, depends on whose eyes your letter rests on, phoning and entertaining minimum wage muppets will get you nowhere.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 26, 2012 @ 2:46 pm

  13. During this so called assessment, I could not pick up a pound coin between my legs, or squat on the floor,.
    I could not do this as it might have set by lower back to cause me pain. My wife then had to take my shoes and socks off cos I could not do this due to the reasons above.
    Shen then helped me onto a table, and off again after being groped.
    She then had to help me off the table and put me soxs and shoes on again.
    Two actions were high scoring but get no mention on the ESA65 Form, so I end up zero points.

    ASCOT

    Comment by Anonymous — January 27, 2012 @ 12:02 am

  14. Anonymous or ASCOT.

    Can’t quite make out which one you are, anyway on your ESA 85 (I have never heard of an ESA 65) it should say that you had to have help to get on the table because most people even badly crippled can at least slither on, since you demonstrated you need help and it doesn’t specifically say it then you can use that in your appeal. If it says instead that you got on the table to be groped on your own initiative and without help from anyone then you can also use that in your appeal, after all you have a witness, it’s difficult to see how the Dr can say you got on there by yourself when clearly that’s just not true because your wife helped you on.
    If you look at your ESA 85 report and study it closely you will see lot’s of mistakes along the same lines.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 27, 2012 @ 4:46 am

  15. ASCOT
    When I got my ESA85, it told me I was an engineer and was made redundant because of Health and sickness problems.
    Guess what, I took the money on my own free will. I worked in the transport industry.
    How can I use this lie to my advantage.
    My appeal went in today.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 31, 2012 @ 7:18 pm

  16. Hello Ascot.

    I don’t understand your post, in fact no human being would be able to decipher what you are trying to say, could you tell me a little bit more.

    Thanks.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 31, 2012 @ 8:19 pm

  17. ASCOT
    On page 4 of my of Form ESA85 The HCP has written the following about my occupation.

    ” The main reason for leaving work was for redundancy, due to sickness, ill health and absence.
    and that my occupation was an engineer.

    When I left my job, I took early retirement at my own request and the only thing wrong with me was I had a cold, and worked in the transport industries.

    I asked how I could use this information against them in my appeal.

    They have got the wrong reason for me leaving work and the wrong occupation as well.

    I hope this clears up matters.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 31, 2012 @ 8:57 pm

  18. Hello Ascot.

    I see what you mean and thanks for explaining it, the HCP has lied on your ESA 85 assessment report by saying ” The main reason for leaving work was for redundancy, due to sickness, ill health and absence. and that my occupation was an engineer.

    What you have to understand Ascot is that the tribunal/s are not interested in what ATOS say because they already know they are compulsive liars, they also know the reason why they make up tripe like that, the purpose of going to an appeal is not to demonstrate that ATOS are incompetent and compulsive liars because as I said they already know that.
    The purpose of going to an appeal is to demonstrate to them with the aid of some medical support and along with what you say and how you answer their questions whether you are unfit for work and hence entitled to ESA.
    You can do this by concentrating on the descriptors that you are contending and showing the appeal panel that you are unfit for work because such and such a descriptor let’s say the cannot walk 200 metres descriptor as an example, I said when asked by the panel in answer to their question can you walk 200 metres that I could not walk 200 metres because I had to stop and rest etc, so I got points for that.
    I was also asked how long can you stand before you need to sit down, I answered that standing for say ten minutes was excruciating and I had to sit down for relief, I got points for that, I was also asked other questions which I answered as best as I could and at the end of the day I received 18 points and was entitled to ESA, it helps if you have some support from your GP which I did have and obviously helped.
    That is the way to go and that is the way you will win an appeal, not wasting your time trying to proof the idiot you were asessed by was a liar or not. Remember the panel have a job to do and that means they have to take everyones reports in to account, even if it’s just for appearances sake.
    Ascot it’s a game, play the game right and you will win with that medical support, start talking about corrupt DRs etc will get you nowhere (That’s for here and other blogs and forums and letters to newspapers and MPs), you could even lose the appeal if you don’t concentrate on the descriptors, take it from me mate because I’ve been there, read the proverbial book and worn the proverbial teeshirt.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 31, 2012 @ 9:31 pm

  19. ASCOT.
    Good Advice, it pays to read the ESA85 and what you get when you cast your net wide enough.
    I wonder how many folks have been conned out of thier entitlementsts by the system that is in place.
    Its a good job that youre about to offer proper advice on these subjects.

    *****5star advice.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 31, 2012 @ 10:28 pm

  20. ASCOT
    Do the DWP acknowledge the receipt of the GL24 form when you send it in, or a you left wondering if they have got the form?

    Comment by Anonymous — February 1, 2012 @ 10:58 am

  21. Hello ASCOT.

    Another good question, and the answer is ”you are left wondering if they have got the form” if they do not receive the GL24 form or any form or sick note etc then after the deadline you will know all about it soon enough. Funny how all their letters of doom and gloom seem to reach us without any problems though…LOL.
    By the way if you phone them to inquire you will soon find out by experience that they say anything to shut you up, the reason for this is because more often than not you will be speaking to the tea boy or office junior who doesn’t know his arse from his elbow.

    An example : Hello I’m enquiring about my ESA 50 that I sent in last week ? (and after some security questions) he looks at a blank screen and says yes Sir according to our records we have received it and we will get right on it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 1, 2012 @ 11:32 am

  22. ASCOT.
    I got my P45 the other week, but I now know that they have got my appeal, but they will not pay me any thing till I get a sick note from my GP.
    Is this normal?

    Comment by Anonymous — February 14, 2012 @ 7:33 pm

  23. Hello ASCOT.

    Yes it’s normal, get that sick note in as quick as you can, because they are looking for any excuse not to pay you.
    By the way the idea of sending you a P 45 is to give you the impression that signing on is your only sensible option, so don’t fall for it, insist on the assessment rate and as I said the sick note is important because they won’t give you a brass penny until you send one in.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 14, 2012 @ 8:34 pm

  24. ASCOT.
    I have had a letter delivered today, they might want me to attend Work Focused interviews as well as sick notes.
    I understand the sick notes.
    What will they want to do with me at the Work Focused interviews. What are the pit falls to be aware of?
    I am going to get the Assessment rate of ESA

    Comment by Anonymous — February 15, 2012 @ 12:00 pm

  25. Hello ASCOT.

    The purpose of work related interviews is what it says on the tin, to see if you are in need of help in getting back in to work, everyone has to attend at least one, I had one two weeks ago and lasted around twenty minutes, I was asked what type of work I had done before, whether I had any future hospital appointments, what kind of work did I think I could do, do I have a driving license etc. As you can see it’s just basic questions and I didn’t feel as if I was being tricked.
    I mentioned the so called volunteer programme where youngsters are working for these big companies for slave labour and I added that I didn’t think it was right that people should not get at least the minimum wage, her answer was well these youngsters have never had a job and you have worked before so you at least know what a job is, I answered well I still think they should get the minimum wage etc.

    So if your illness or disability is preventing you from finding work then it’s difficult to see how they can really make a difference, especially when at least for the moment there are no jobs for able bodied people never mind the disabled and ill..!!
    By the way you must attend an interview to be eligible for your benefits, but you are not forced to accept a job if in the unlikely event you were offered one.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 15, 2012 @ 2:58 pm

  26. ASCOT.
    Now that things are becoming clear at the DWP, I am now getting letters from the Taxation people, say that I owe over £100 for having the wrong tax code and wanting me to pay it back.
    This morning I get a P45 with a tax code saying again that I might owe these people more money.
    The sad part is the taxation people get my money before I do, so if i have under paid, its down to the Revenue people to get there act together.
    Any views or comments?

    Comment by Anonymous — February 17, 2012 @ 1:45 pm

  27. ASCOT
    I have now seen my doctor and been given a short letter, and a detailed report on the state of my back and the all important sick note.
    How soon should I get my full appeal written and sent in,
    As I am not a doctor what should I compare and contrast in my submission.

    Comment by Anonymous — February 22, 2012 @ 6:25 pm

  28. Hello Ascot.

    You have a month to send an appeal in, and they can be strict sometimes so don’t send it in late, you can send in the sick note straight away, the sooner you do the sooner you will get the assessment rate.
    When you filled in the ESA 50 questionnaire you will have given them certain information, you should have the ESA 85 report from that you will see where the HCP has formed certain opinions on your functional ability, so you need to have a look at the descriptors and see which ones apply to your health issues.
    For instance you say you have a back problem ? then look at the descriptors regarding walking, standing and sitting, that’s two different descriptors, what did you write on your ESA 50 questionnaire ? can you walk 200 Metres without stopping for relief, or is it 100 Metres without stopping, explain on the appeal submission which one applies to you, perhaps you can’t walk 30 Metres without stopping to rest ? if so then put it down remember it has to correspond to the ESA 50 questionnaire. Then there is the standing and sitting descriptor, can you stand for five minutes ? ten minutes ? fifteen minutes before you feel a strong desire to sit down for relief, and when you are sitting down, how long ? can you sit for ten minutes, thirty minutes ? remember most appeals are around thirty minutes, if you don’t stand up for relief under thirty minutes at the appeal after saying you can’t sit for that amount of time then it doesn’t look as if you are genuine.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 22, 2012 @ 7:36 pm

  29. Ascot.
    I am at a stage now where the DWP has accepted my challenge of zero points, and have paid me from the time I lost my Incapacity allowance. I now get the appeal rate paid.
    My appeal has been seen by my local Council benefit advisors, who have taken over the running of my appeal.
    As a result to get the new allowance I had to provide a sick note.
    This note will expire soon.
    Can you tell me will I have to submit a sick note for every week until my appeal is looked at?

    Comment by Anonymous — March 11, 2012 @ 1:29 pm

  30. hello there i had my atos/dwp tribunal yesterday and within 5 minutes of this starting i might as well of hobbled out on my crutches and went home.They did not want me to answer any questions in full and completely cut me off every time i tried to go into any detail,my wife was also there as moral support and also as she has been dealing with my depression and back and leg problems.they just kept asking questions which could only go in there favour and only typed into her little ipad probably paid for by mine and others hard earn taxes what was said by the so called doctor and as i tried to go into detail she would tell me to stop and would have allready stop typing my reply.My wife was told in no uncertain way that she was here as support and would not be able to answer any ?’s.even though she was the only one who new the correct dates and that.they also kept repeating themselves with the same questions.I did record the whole thing covertly so i am just waiting for there report

    Comment by richard — June 30, 2012 @ 11:35 am

  31. Some of these tribunal members haven’t a clue how to talk to people Richard, the tribunals are packed with inadequates as far as I’m concerned, rabid Tory voters as well, it’s the luck of the draw if you get a panel with normal people, or the made their mind up before you even get in the room brigade. I’ve had both in my time.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 30, 2012 @ 12:44 pm

  32. can’t believe what just happen,just got the mail and the decision was here already,they all agreed unanimously that the appeal is allowed
    just goes to show that you must stand up for yourselves and just tell them the truth,i never thought i had a chance in hell of winning but just goe’s to show if you go prepared as my wife did you can get the right result,happy day’s

    Comment by richard — June 30, 2012 @ 12:54 pm

  33. I had a medical in 2011 was put on esa then received a decision in sepr 2012 saying it was then disallowed from july 2012 I av appealed to a tribunal now instead of getting 71pound a week I received a letter 3 days ago saying a payment of 68 pound a fortnight will be paid in to my post office account how am I suppose to live off this it doesn’t even cover the cost of my gas and electricity a week I just feel like ending my life then I won’t av to worry over matters like this

    Comment by trina — September 13, 2012 @ 11:09 pm

  34. can anyone help me = i was on ib for 19 years and on dla high rate mob& care, i got the eas50 forms in may filled them out sent them back – recieve a letter saying i i esa ans
    been placed in the wrag group ??? bearing in mind i have exactly the same condition as my brother and sister but i have fibromyalgia & hupothyroidism on top – they have been placed in support ?? so within 1 month i asked to be reconsidered ! what happens now ?

    Comment by penny moore — October 30, 2012 @ 7:53 am

  35. Hello Penny.

    They are putting you on the work related group hoping you will not appeal to get in to the support group.
    Log in to our sister site to learn what to do next http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 30, 2012 @ 2:37 pm

  36. Does anyone know what the law is on the timescale the DLA has to make a decision on a reconsideration process ? thank you

    Comment by nikki — November 21, 2012 @ 11:09 am

  37. Hi i need help i went to atos im dec 2012 and yesterday i got letter saying i scored 0. In the past ive always scored over 15. I read some of the things said by the so called HCP and she told aload of bullshit basicly calling me a liar. im not going to go on about my disability as i will be here a while. ok i have requested a gl24 and a copy of the medical report. i was advised to get medical proof from my
    GP(NOTE) which isnt a problem but ive never had to ask my GP to do anything like this before, well not as i can remember as my memory is poor. what do i say to by GP im embarrased.

    Comment by tess — January 29, 2013 @ 11:59 am

  38. Hello tess.

    Just visit the GP and say that the DWP are insisting that you send them a sicknote (never refer to them as fitnotes).
    He/she will not blink an eyelid, because they hear that thirty, forty, fifty times a day.
    You may be asked if you were assessed and received zero points ? of course you answer yes it’s obviously some kind of sick joke.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 29, 2013 @ 1:42 pm

  39. Thanks for the info. im sick of atos i know a person that is faking everything and he gets away with it. it makes me sick to the core ive reported him a few times and hes still getting away with it. he openly admitted to my face that he was on the swindle. next time im going to record it and take appropriate action he has no contact with his gp what so ever but passesc his atos exam with flying colours. cheating lying scum that one day will be found out. this system is 1 big joke it leaves us disabled people sick woth worry. why the cheaters are laughing all the way to the bank. THE LOT OF THEM CAN GO TO HELL! rant over.

    Comment by tess — January 29, 2013 @ 4:06 pm

  40. Hello tess.

    If he’s such an expert I’d be asking him how he does it, because if genuine people are getting thrown of ESA then he must know some secret we don’t, so if he’s ever around your way, ask him to come on here and show all the genuine folk his tricks of the trade.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 29, 2013 @ 11:08 pm

  41. He told me what he done. he walked in faked a panic attack and the so called hcp sent him home. thats how he done it.

    Comment by tess — January 31, 2013 @ 11:46 am

  42. If you think about it it makes perfect sence as they are just fake doctors that dont have a clue and just take the easy option by sending you home.

    Comment by tess — January 31, 2013 @ 11:48 am

  43. tess…it could have backfired as well, sometimes it will work for him and sometimes it won’t, some HCPs will send him home and just write that he didn’t answer the questions etc.
    One day he will get his comeuppance, KARMA.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 31, 2013 @ 7:36 pm

  44. I hope so. anyway ive recived my gl24 but still waiting on the medical report i wonder how long it will take? I hope not too long as i wont be put on assesment rate untill i send the gl24 back and my benefit is due to end in a week.

    Comment by tess — February 1, 2013 @ 12:10 am

  45. Hello tess.

    It can take any amount of time for the DWP to send you the ESA85 assessment report, so why not use the little box as an introduction to your appeal, state on there that you do not agree with the decision maker, also mention that you would therefore like to appeal, and since they haven’t sent you the assessment report and are not sure what the ATOS HCP has said about you that has lead to your benefits being stopped, then expect the rest of your appeal to be forwarded to your office on A4 paper when you finally receive the ESA85.
    Also mention on the little box that in order to comply with the law and receive the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard then please find one sickline attached.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 1, 2013 @ 9:02 am

  46. i have been fighting for 2 yrs to get my dla back my health problems are worse now than what they were when i started i have been thru all the appeal levels i have now been turned down again by the high level tribunal and have to ask permission to ask for a reason why i got turned down. i sort help from local advice center man told me over phone they only go on what your problems are when you first put the formss in not now and it might be worth starting a nu claim to which i replied so i have been fighting for nothing and i lose 2 yrs dla to start again if anyone can help contact via facebook or email

    i have Osteoarthritis coccyx pain back pain type 2 diabetes depression dyslexia Sciatica in both hips carpel tunnel migraines i wish i had known about this blog page before i got so far into my appeal i think im going to have to start again and lose the last 2 yrs

    Comment by sue devlin — February 13, 2013 @ 1:17 am

  47. i hope i can get some help on here

    Comment by sue devlin — February 13, 2013 @ 1:19 am

  48. Hello Sue.

    I don’t know if all that many people have got time for facebook on here, we do have a sister site where help is freely available http://www.dwpexamination.org
    Just log in and ask any questions you like, there are people on there in the same situation as you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 13, 2013 @ 9:40 am

  49. thk u

    Comment by sue devlin — February 13, 2013 @ 1:13 pm

  50. the postmen just been and low and behold i have a new form esa50 01/13 limited capability for wok

    Comment by sue devlin — February 13, 2013 @ 1:27 pm

  51. very good site i am going for my medical in 2 days god knows what will happen

    Comment by dave — February 25, 2013 @ 4:53 am

  52. Hello Dave.

    Well let’s look at it this way, what’s the worst that can happen ?, ATOS and the DWP stitch you up and find you fit for work.
    Which means they are forcing you to appeal, since they are doing that to almost everyone anyway then be proud to join us and the club, might as well because at the moment there isn’t anything you can do about that and therefore no point in worrying about it either.

    So that’s the bad news, what’s the good news ?, is there any light at the end of the tunnel ?, well yes there is, you see, the appeal panels all know it’s a scam, this means when you attend your future appeal hearing you can be sure in the knowledge that the panel will know you’ve been stitched up, (It’s supposed to be a secret so don’t tell anyone shoosh) all they want from you is some kind of indication that you have health problems, convince them this is so then you will get your entitlements, and you have around six to nine months to get a medical report to help your cause.

    There you have it, the sheer audacity and aplomb of the DWP and ATOS to think they can do this and get away with it is breathtaking and nothing but a national scandal, something should be done and something will be done, true they are getting away with it for the moment but it’s just a matter of time before they are found out, we just have to be patient and wait our time.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 25, 2013 @ 8:41 am

  53. Hi Ascot, I have appealed my ESA last year and was put on the support group. Last week I received a ESA50 form to fill out again, is this correct, as I thought once you have been placed on the support group, you will not be re-assessed for another 2 years etc. Also last week I received a letter from the DWP asking me to go into my local job centre for a benefit enquiry, relating that they wanted to see if I’m receiving the correct amount of benefit etc, when I my support worker rang them to say that all my benefit queries are being dealt with by their welfare benefit officers, they insisted that I attend as it compulsory? Do I need to attend?
    Your viewpoints will be most appreciated.

    Comment by kaiser — May 9, 2013 @ 5:11 pm

  54. Kaiser.

    Unfortunately ATOS can call you for an assessment anytime they like, some people are in the support group and think it’s for life, it’s always a shock when they are contacted by ATOS to attend one of their dreadful assessments. The moral ? no one is safe from an assessment.
    There’s no reason why the DWP should drag you down there to discuss with you whether you are receiving the correct benefits or not, you are in the support group what else do they really need to know ? sounds like an excuse to see how disabled you really are.
    Unfortunately if you do not attend they will stop your benefits for non attendance, this will force you to appeal, the way they look at it is this…THEY DON’T CARE if you turn up or not, either way suits them.
    So you have a choice, and only you can make it..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 9, 2013 @ 8:43 pm

  55. Hi i went for my assessment 12 /04/13 which was postponed from 07/03/13 ( they cancelled
    Some baloney about family emergency ) ! Likely coz they changed the assessment rules . Well waited over 8 weeks to be found fit for work 0 points ! I have arthritis in my knees & on
    The highest morphine patches around 20 mg over 24 hrs 7 days a week ! Plus i take naprosxyn , amiltriptyline & omeprazole , in addiction to the odd ibuprofen , codein or co codamol ! Basically walking medicine cabinet ! & suffering with the side effects of my meds headaches nausea sickness stomach problems knightmares when i try & sleep hallucinations confusion dizzyness blurred vision to name but a few Thats when i can walk . I also use a walking stick . Im homeless as well so kipping on friends & family sofas doesnt really do me any good ! Ive just turned 40 ! & will be talking with my dr v soon for steroid injections ! I will not be reffered for surgery for at least 30 yrs ! . I also suffrr with cysts in my kneese caused by the friction of my knee joints ! So they pop & crunch by the way i think the assessment exasibated my problems ! As i struggled to get on the coach / table she asked me to bend my leg ! As i was trying my knee exploded & cracked popped she heard it & said my god was that your knee at the same time of crying & screaming in agony ! Then she said oh ok wount ask you to do anything more your free to go ! Then as i struggled off the thing my other knee popped & cracked she heard it from the other side of the room ! . How can atos get away with fing up peoples lives like this ! . By the way i am appealling ! Oh to the person that asked what the esa65 03/11 is its the desicion makers assessment report that you get with the e s a letter & NOT atos ‘s report ! Thats the e s a 85 that you have to request ! That takes around 3 months to get to you ! By which time the deadline will have passed so just fill out the gl24 say what you can & just say youre waiting for the e s 85 so that you can go into it further but get something in you can always add more to it ! Good luck for people going to there assessmentz & try take someone with you to help you ! That was also my misrake !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 17, 2013 @ 12:32 am

  56. HI fellow amigos i forgot to mention 1 other thing ! My atos assessment postponed from march which coincided with a changd to disability benrfits & low and behold my desicion from a tdlephone call co incided with another changd to disability benefits all over the country ! ( monday ) ! Another coincidence me thinks not !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 17, 2013 @ 12:43 am

  57. Hello Jenny.

    Thanks for letting us know how your fixed assessment went, I’ve been telling people for over four years what’s going on and no one is/was believing me until they are assessed and found fit for work, that’s when they have an ah ah moment and see it all for the con that it is.

    Thanks for the information regarding the difference between an ESA65 and an ESA85, see how the 6 and the 8 look very similar to each other, was that just coincidence ? no way lol, I believe that’s a cynical attempt to give the impression that an ESA 65 – which is a watered down version of the full ESA85 – is really the ESA 85 assessment report, the British Government know all the cynical tricks.

    Iain Duncan Smith and his gang are nothing but criminals and I would tell the bastard that straight to his face, they operate under the shadow of the law, if the law doesn’t suit them then they break it, and if they can’t get away with openly breaking it, then they change it very quickly using tricks and bribes to get it through Parliament.

    The sad part of it all is there are deluded people out there who still vote for them, still believe they are doing the right thing for the country, when in fact by giving these criminals their vote the very opposite is happening.

    It’s heartbreaking to watch, like a slow moving car crash and cant do anything meaningful to intervene and stop it….its enough to bring tears to a glass eye..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 17, 2013 @ 9:34 am

  58. Hi dwpexamination thanks for the comment ! Hows you ?! Surviving just ! Lol! Well as you can tell its 03:42 in the morning ! Cant sleep with the pain everytime i try & close my eyes i start to have a knightmare ! Bloody side effects ! Just to let you know i think all mps lie cheat & swindle theyre all just as bad as each other ! Oh why does everything have to be so difficult ! Why they dont take our drs nurses physiotherapists etc word for things ! Fing cunts ! Lol ! Oh i cant wait til my atos assessment report arrives to see what shes put ! How the hell i can score 0 is beyond me ! Oh there goes my knees popping & exploding in pain ! Ow ! At least i can still use my hands & fingers ! Anyway night ! Ill try get some sleep ! Lol!

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 18, 2013 @ 2:52 am

  59. I think the times wrong ! Its now 03:54 in morning ! Think someones not put the clock forward an hr !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 18, 2013 @ 2:54 am

  60. Hi all can anyone tell me where i can get my E S A 50 form pink & grey i think ?! Im not sure if atos keeps it or if they send it to the j c ?! Seeing as the D M doesnt bother with them would they actually have it ?! I cant remember what i said & it would help my appeal !thanks all !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 18, 2013 @ 7:09 pm

  61. I am battling with the TLAs – Three Letter Acronyms – and the medical jargon in drafting a reconsideration/appeals letter for my daughter, who scored nil points on her WCA.

    I have one, maybe very pertinent, question;

    Would it be appropriate for an employer to consider engaging someone using 20mg morphine patches and taking other medications that are known to affect concentration, ability to think, vision, mood and relationships?

    What would happen is she were tested for drugs?

    Comment by GpopBull — June 18, 2013 @ 7:28 pm

  62. Hello Jenny.

    Your supposed to scan and keep a copy before you send it of to ATOS, if you tell the DWP that you do not have a copy they will rub their hands in glee.
    I would say your chances of getting a copy upfront from the DWP to help your appeal now would be almost zero, after all by appealing agianst their decision to find you fit for work you are saying they are wrong.
    How many people have you ever met in your whole life that likes to be told they are wrong ? same here, I’ve never met anyone either.

    There’s one small consolation, when you get your appeal bundle two weeks before the appeal date, it will have your whole ESA50 written in there, the DWP unlike some of us keep copies of everything, we should take a leaf from their book.

    COPY EVERYTHING YOU SEND THESE PEOPLE, (let’s learn from it) THEY ARE NOT PLAYING GAMES, THEY ARE OUT TO HURT YOU AND HURT YOU BAD.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 19, 2013 @ 8:38 am

  63. My daughter today received a second, much more detailed form ESA 65. I cannot see that it is the reconsideration asked for as it is dated only 2 days after the original letter of suspension – and yet took 7 days to reach her. After reading it through, we went to the “What to do next,” bit where it states, “If you want us to look again at this decision, contact us straight away. Our phone number and address are at the top of this letter.” There is no contact phone number to call back on and there is no address to write to. How dumb can they get?

    Something very interesting arises from the two ESA 65. I will say no more here as I am in no doubts that this very helpful site is being monitored.

    But let me ask a question – having never seen one; does the HCP record the start time of their assessment or its duration?

    Comment by GpopBull — June 19, 2013 @ 3:20 pm

  64. Hi GpopBull.

    The HCP are supposed to record the start of the examination the duration and the end, but we have found that they lie consistently.
    For instance the examination may start at 10-00 am and finish at 10-30 am, the HCP usually sticks in whatever time they like to suit their performance levels and meet their targets.
    They hope you don’t notice or care, if you complain they just deny it and everything gets swept under the carpet, if things get really heavy then a letter of apology with some lame excuse is sent out to appease.

    I’m telling you mate, these people are nothing but corporate criminals with the full backing of the Government to do as they like when they like..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 19, 2013 @ 11:12 pm

  65. Thank you, dwpexamination. Time-stamping, true or false, should enable us to sort this HCP, for the DM said, in his ESA 65, that the HCP observed that my daughter had slight difficulty sitting for 28 minutes and needed no help to get up from her chair before walking to the examination room. My daughter was late. When called, she had only just booked in at reception and was on her way to the toilet. She had not gone near the waiting room. The HCP assumed too much. If only my daughter had kept her time-stamped bus ticket. Big sigh!!!

    The apparently standard form of words used, for I have seen them repeated, word-for-word, several times on this really helpful website, raises another point. Why would CHPs spend 28 minutes of their valuable time observing people in the waiting room? Especially if, as in our case, they are running late?Would their managers approve? Why not call their next victim, sorry, client, and catch up, as any normal, honest and conscientious employee would be keen to do? Purely rhetorical, but one to ask at a tribunal? :-))

    Comment by GpopBull — June 20, 2013 @ 7:52 am

  66. Observed sitting for 28 minutes in the waiting room ? Ha…so the HCP was standing all that time watching, perhaps in the next room looking at a CCTV screen while carrying out the previous assessment.
    Look..everyone knows it’s a farce, every ESA85 that gets sent from ATOS to the DWP is a festival of lies, all the MPs and Lords know, everyone who works for ATOS knows, the DWP decision makers all know, and everyone who sits on an appeal panel knows it’s all a charade.

    But hey…don’t tell anyone will you ? because it’s supposed to be a secret….Ha.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 20, 2013 @ 10:44 am

  67. Thanks dwpexamination in hindsite i wish i hadve done but i dont own a photocopier etc or the brains in which to think of that myself ! Especially with the meds im taking ! Side effects ! But thanks for the info that ill get a copy of it before my appeal ! Thank god i didnt ring anyone first to say i need it ! Another point i wish to ask is this i told em in a phone call to say i was going to ask for a reconsideration but did not submit any thing in writting or send any documents off to challenge their d m desicion but yet i received a more detailed report from higher up the food chain agreeing with the d m report & up holding there desicion so his desision is based on what atos told the d m in the first place & had no other information from me to back up my case to take into account . Now does this mean that a it wount be sent off to appeals automactically or do i need to try & send off written conformation that i wish for it go to go to an appeal or do i need to ask them to reconsider again with more information from me ?! Please help !thanks for your time ! & patience with me !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 20, 2013 @ 2:06 pm

  68. Ha! Daughter received ESA 85 and it is time-stamped as you said. Not at the times my daughter remembers, but the day is correct. We are now dissecting each para. Have reached page 5 and a bit headed, Medical Opinion – Physical. Sub-heading, Lower Limbs – Activity Outcomes. For Activity 1, Mobilising, is entered; We None of the above apply.
    Activity 2, Standing and sitting; Sd None of the above apply.

    Odd! If mobility, standing and sitting are at the heart of her lower limb problems.

    Can anyone explain what that means? Must be important if in code.

    BTW, I have found the DWP’s ESA214. It’s Guide to Work Assessment.
    http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@disabled/documents/digitalasset/dg_177366.pdf
    Or here: – http://tinyurl.com/33gxgky

    Still finding my way through the jargon.

    Comment by GpopBull — June 21, 2013 @ 5:59 am

  69. Hello Jenny.

    The DWP always reconsider their decision whether you ask them to or not, and it’s always the same answer, we have reconsidered and we agree with each others asses.
    So now your appeal will be sent to the tribunal service by the DWP automatically, be aware that in October of this year that is going to change.

    They will still reconsider and tell you they will not change their decision, and will take as long as they like and drag it out by asking if you have other evidence other than the consultants report, the GPs report, the para medics report at the time of the car crash, etc etc etc, meanwhile they will not pay a penny in benefits, no matter how long they decide to drag it out for, and that can be four months, six months, eight months in fact as many months as they see fit.

    Then they will send you the dreaded brown letter informing you that you are still fit for work and always have been, they will not send anything to the appeals service, in fact they will not tell the appeal service anything, and they will not tell you what your next move should be, in other words you are supposed to be a mind reader and appeal to the first tier tribunal on your own initiative now.

    Jenny…there’s a massive storm ahead, Iain Duncan Smith the madman is in charge of the ship, and there’s no getting of with him at the helm. the suicide rate is going to jump like crazy, any blind person can see it, mayhem will be the order of the day, you would be well advised to log in to our sister site as soon as possible and learn your rights http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 21, 2013 @ 8:40 am

  70. Thanks dwp for the advice i will do as you advise & go to the website ! I have drs today & c a b monday ! Just to let you know got my e s a 85 yesterday & i think they have me confused with someone else ! Half of what i reported aint in there & so many lies , & absolute gobble de gook ! anyway ids is an asshole ! All mps lie cheat & swindle & not in touch with reality ! They couldnt survive on the poultry £ 70+ a week or in my case £39 ! ( deductions & social fund repayments ) oh well hope i keep my d l a ! Lol! .

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 21, 2013 @ 10:05 am

  71. I followed the link you gave Jenny. Another good site. Well done!

    The so-called HCP who assessed my daughter claims to be a Registered Nurse. Would that only be with the NMC? If so, I searched their register http://www.nmc-uk.org/Search-the-register/ and came up with just two possibilities. Although registered, neither nurse had any recorded qualifications. Stretching the definition of “professional” aren’t they?

    From the phrasing of her entries on the form ESA85, I would have thought her to be in her sixties with top qualifications in every major branch of medical practice. As it is I am likely better qualified after only 4 days at proving her statements are, at best, mistakes, and downright damned lies at the worst.

    The more I go into this business, the more I fear for society. Remember Kinnock’s words http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QPhMVbleU0 but we do not have politicians any more. Just plutocrat’s lackeys.

    Comment by GpopBull — June 21, 2013 @ 2:33 pm

  72. The bastards couldn’t survive on £71 a day never mind a week, if any of them come to your door when it get’s near polling day (That’s the only time you ever see the bastards) asking if they can rely on your vote.

    Don’t be nice to them, instead answer…No you may not rely on my vote, now f*** off.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 22, 2013 @ 8:49 am

  73. Hi dwp ive visted sister website ive managed to register (yay) but cant seem to actually join in on any conversations ?! Is there a special button that allows you to do this or is it because im on a mobile phone the problem ?! ( dont have a laptop or computer ) or is it me still being a total novice at all things techno & requiring a brain ! Thanks for help ! & patience !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 22, 2013 @ 10:30 am

  74. Oh btw dwp i think theyve change the rules automactically for sending it off to the appeals panel ! In a phone call yesterday to the organ grinders yesterday e s a muppets , i had to ask for the address in which to send any documents of to to appeal the reconsideration result & was told they dont do it automactically i have to write to them for it to go to appeals ! I also received some other advice which was NOT told to me in other conversations stating that allthough the FIT NOTE that they hold is not valid even though its not due to run out til weds 3rd july & that i had to send in 1 dated from the 9th june which was when they reached a desicion thus suspending my e s a !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 22, 2013 @ 11:34 am

  75. Sorry clarify the sick note that they hold which was sent in about 3 weeks ago had until the 3 rd july but because i scored o on my atos assessment & the d m only came to his desicion til the 9th june that then invalidaes the sick note they hold they apparently have the power to overturn my own doctors diagnosis even though they are NOT DRS THEMSELVES ! i find this absolutely attrocious i thought drs notes were legal documents ! & couldnt be changed or superceded ?!

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 22, 2013 @ 11:43 am

  76. Jenny..you should be able to go straight into the site and post without difficulties, a few people with mobile phones have in the past reported various type problems, sometimes captcha related, others’ could read comments but couldn’t post a comment themselves.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 22, 2013 @ 1:45 pm

  77. Your finding out the hard way as I did four years ago Jenny, ATOS and the DWP can do whatever they like, whenever they like.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 22, 2013 @ 1:46 pm

  78. Hi dwp ! I know that i should be able to post but i cant find a butten which says post i see 1 that says send private message but not just send & dont forget your talking to me ! A complete techno novice im overjoyed that i can do THIS on my own & phone ! L ol ! Never mind ill try & work it out how to do it ! I like challenge ! Ha ha !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 22, 2013 @ 3:25 pm

  79. Hello hope here,how is everyone? I got a letter yesterday saying I was put on contribution-based Employment and Support Allowance and put in the wrag group. I contacted JCP and asked for a report per the decision. I am now waiting to lodge my appeal. I am wondering how long I will have to wait for the report. I have allready lost a week out of the 30 days as the letter was dated the 17 june and I received it on the 22 june. Im getting stressed and very nervous.

    Comment by hope — June 22, 2013 @ 4:31 pm

  80. hope again just wanted to add I was not given a F2F just a letter saying i was put into wrag.

    Comment by hope — June 22, 2013 @ 4:40 pm

  81. Hi hope have you actually had you atos assessment ?! & if so how many points did you get ?! If you score 15 or more you are not fit for work & you should put a request for it to be reconsidered ! Did you obtain your e s a 85 which is atos’s report ! Do you think you are fit for work ?! I dont know much about things just what ive found out with the person by the name dwpexamination ! Ive never heard of the f form ! But you need to fill out the g l 24 as soon as possible if you want to appeal anything ! & request you be put on the assessment rate during the appeals process ! I hope this helps slightly !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 22, 2013 @ 6:45 pm

  82. Jenny made a very valid point. Does anyone know the legal standing of a doctor’s sick note?

    Comment by GpopBull — June 22, 2013 @ 7:19 pm

  83. Hello Hope here,I was not given an assessment just sent a letter saying I was in contribution-based Employment and Support Allowance and in the WRAG group. I called the JCP and did ask for a report which they said they would send. That was just on friday last. I suffer from Degenarative osteoarthritis in my back with Deterioration. Osteo in my knees and wrist and Anxiety and depression so no my anxiety is quite bad. I have the gl24 but there is not much I can do without the report. Right? They told me on the phone that I would not change money wise and would stay the same during appeal. What worries me how long it will take to get the report.

    Comment by Hope — June 22, 2013 @ 7:28 pm

  84. Hi hope so you have never gone for an atos assessment ?! I dont understand why or how they have put you in that group youre grouped to how many points you receive on your assessment ?! Thats rather confusing ! Mind you it doesnt take that much to confuse me ! Side effects of meds ! When did you apply for e s a ?! When you start a claim you are given the starded rate for the first 13 week from the 14th week they send you the bastards at atos that accessess your capability for work ! Then atos writes a report for the dwp soch the desicion maker makes a final say so on what group you go into there are 3 ones that are fit to work two those that could do a job as long as employers make special adjustsments & thirdly the group that do not need to look for work ! The desicion naker dm usually sends a letter stating what group or how many points you received on your assessment this is esa 65 ! The esa85 is atos’s report on you ! So how youve already been placed in a group without having an assessment is beyond me ! I requested my esa 85 on the tuesday or weds a few days before you requested yours but if you havent had an atos assessment there wouldnt be a report on you ! I received my esa 85 on thursday this week ! But i suggest you ring em up again to make sure that they are sending it ! You need to make sure you get their name the time and day of your call ! This will help if they deny it ! Fill out the gl24 just to get something in you could also put on there that in order you are waiting for your esa 85 i wish to appeal or reconsider state a few things but say in order to keep to the time scale i cant go into too much detail as you dont know what your appealling ! Make sure you send fit notes in preferrabbly from the day before the date on the letter ! Most important that & say you wish to be put on the assessment rate or what rate your supposed to be on during the appeals process ! Obviously a little like you i suffer with oesteo arthris in both my knees with the complicated bakers cysts ive just turned 40 & operation seems unlikely for the next 30 yrs ! I am on 20 mg transdermal morphine patches with 24/7 omerprazole amiltryptiline & naproxen ! My assessment was stopped within minutes of doing things my knees exploded popped & she stopped it ! I scored 0 on mine ! If you are appealling you need to keep sending in sick notes ! That way you should be paid ! As i said very important they had my sick note on record but because of the result they over turn the duration of it so it becomes invalid ! Mine should run out tuesday but theyve made it invalid !!!!! Im not sure they can legally do it but they have ! Anyway i hope this gives you a bit more info ! But you have a month from date of letter but just get it in quick !!!!!

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 23, 2013 @ 1:00 am

  85. Hello,Hope here. I am not sure why they did not give me an assessment. I have read if they have dealt with you before they dont. I have been in IB for 5 years and when I started they were just beging there programs and I was made to go through pathways to work. Perhaps that is why. Also I called friday 21 june at 3:00 and she said they had a report and would send it to me. So you think I should send in my GL24 before getting the report? You take some of the meds I take. Without a report the gl24 would be difficult yes?

    Comment by Hope — June 23, 2013 @ 9:43 am

  86. Hello Hope.

    You can send a letter indicating that you do not agree with their decision to grant you the work related group, because you believe you should have been awarded the support group.
    In order for me to compose a cogent appeal with a full explanation into why I do not agree with your decision I need to read the ESA85 assessment report, I need to see what evidence ATOS supplied the decision maker with which you subsequently used to arrive at that conclusion.
    When my report arrives I will be able to mount a full appeal based on the ATOS report etc etc.

    You can see this will cover you and will be inside the one month rule, and gain you some time.

    One of their tricks is to delay the report, and when you finally do get the report and appeal, they send a letter back saying you were to late and outwith the strict one month time limit.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 23, 2013 @ 10:03 am

  87. Hi Jenny.

    If you want to post, at the top you will see post or reply, click the button and post then scroll down the page a little and click the send button.
    Remember phones are slow, and everything is tiny, so more patience is required…lol.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 23, 2013 @ 10:07 am

  88. Hi dwp you explain things so nicely ! & understandable to us novices ! But i still dont understand the icons ! Ive done a few p m but thats as far as i go dont know anyone & mine says i need to put recipient in ! Its not like this 1that i can just put message on just like this ! Ill have another crack at it later but i need a rest !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 24, 2013 @ 5:13 pm

  89. Hi hope just wondering how you are & if youve received your esa 85 ?! The atos assessment ?! That you havent had yet ! !!!!! Oh that still makes me laugh ! .

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 24, 2013 @ 5:35 pm

  90. Hi dwp just out of curiousity i have a copy of appendix 1 esa 214 dwps own book of desripters & i just want to know what consitutes a reasonable time scale does anyone know ?! On a bad day i cannot mobilise more than 50 metres & on a good day id be pushed to do it in a reasonable time scale ! !!!

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 24, 2013 @ 6:04 pm

  91. It’s like a new mobile phone Jenny, baffling and intimidating in the box, but once you start fiddling around with it, it becomes child’s play.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 24, 2013 @ 6:12 pm

  92. There is no reasonable time scale Jenny, if you can do it just once then you have failed the test, crazy logic…but there it is, courtesy of Iain Duncan twat Smith.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 24, 2013 @ 6:14 pm

  93. Hello hope here, this morning a nice lady called and asked me would I like here to send me ESA85 and other documents I may need for an appeal she also said she was going to put descriptors for support group for me. I have an appointment with CAB 11 July and the appeal needs to be sent off by the 16 July, the letter saying I was put in wrag was dated 17 June. I have to say it does not state anywhere in that letter that I have 30 days to appeal I am just assuming it. Right? I was worried I was leaving it to late about not going to CAB till 11 July but the woman on the phone said not only was it the soonest available appointment but she said it would be fine I would be on time.

    Comment by Hope — June 24, 2013 @ 6:31 pm

  94. Oh dwp that had me in stitches ! Ive just been going thru them & on a bad day i shouldve been given at least bout mid 20/30 ! Fing bitch !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 24, 2013 @ 6:34 pm

  95. Oh dwp i meant to ask maybe i have an old copy of descripters but it doesnt say anything bout side effects even thou they are put in a side box under medication on the esa 85 is there any points for this ?! Or do they not give points for side effects ?!

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 24, 2013 @ 7:01 pm

  96. And if you have to stop what is the minimum that you have to stop for before getting going again ?!

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 24, 2013 @ 7:09 pm

  97. There’s no minimum distance Jenny, to meet the descriptor you cannot walk 50metres at all, you only need to say you can do it once and you have failed, so 40metres or 30metres will do, as long as you don’t make 50metres.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 25, 2013 @ 4:46 am

  98. They concentrate on the descriptor, they don’t care about side affects of your meds, unless you are claiming it affects your mental health, then the reply would be could you not get alternative meds that don’t have side affects.
    Everything is designed to get you off sickness benefits.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 25, 2013 @ 4:51 am

  99. Hi all and so sorry to read about everyone`s situations.
    Im looking for help with regards to being sanctioned for job seekers allowance.I have worked all my days and i got dismissed in jan 2013. I applied for jsa and received 3 payments then my money stopped.I was told the reason was because i was sacked for gross misconduct.
    Although this is debatable and my case has been accepted for unfair dismissal at an employment tribunal.
    I made this clear to my benefits advisor and she photocopied the evidence i had and told me it would be looked at again as a re-consideration.
    2 months later i`ve just been told over the phone (no letter) that the decision has not changed,and advised me to fill in a gl24 appeal form.I applied for hardship as i have 2 kids and my wife is unemployed but got refused.
    My sanction has lasted 12wks and we have lost about £1300 in benefits,Can you please advise me is it worth appealing this now,as i think the reconsideration was delayed so long to make an appeal void due to rules that you only have 1 month to appeal. confused.com
    p/s thats my sanction ended and my tribunal hearing is next week.

    Comment by ian — June 25, 2013 @ 11:28 pm

  100. Hello Ian.

    Sorry to hear about your difficulties with the DWP, you’ve found as I have already that they are merciless and cruel.

    I don’t know your personal circumstances obviously, but I can tell you it’s always worth appealing an unfair decision, and I can also mention the DWP will chance their arm at every opportunity even though they know your case was already accepted at an employment tribunal.

    As you’ve pointed out and learned the hard way Ian, the DWP know all the tricks – Legal and non legal – to stop you from getting benefits, so learn from this, and in the future when dealing with the DWP do not waste any time waiting for them to get back to you, by the way…what is said on the phone means nothing, don’t ever take their word on what was said on the phone, only what’s in writing counts.

    Yes Ian, appeal and point out to them that waiting for the re-consideration was unfair, since the employment tribunal agreed with you that your dismissal was erroneous then you believe the DWPs decision makers decision to deny you JSA was incorrect, whether you will eventually be successful I can’t say, I can only say you have nothing to lose.

    (PS) At this future tribunal it will all depend on what gross misconduct means, but your case being previously accepted at an employment tribunal will certainly help you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 26, 2013 @ 11:28 am

  101. Hi hope here, I just got my esa85 back and it is true if you dont have a medical report backing it up “you dont have it”. I did send in more doctors reports I guess they did not get them. Anyway going to cab next week so we will see what the appeal brings.

    Comment by Hope — June 26, 2013 @ 1:13 pm

  102. Hi Ian here, Thank you for your good,easy to understand advice and the fast response.
    It just goes to show after working 25 yrs and paying plenty of tax and national insurance does not give you any more entitlements to someone who could work but has been a non runner since leaving school.My auntie was right when she told me when we dont work they dont eat lol. So anyone that can beat the system good luck and well done.I just received a letter today from the employment tribunal telling me my ex-employer has went in to liquidation and my tribunal hearing has been cancelled.
    I have been advised to contact the liquidators and take them to a tribunal. Im stuck between a rock and a hard place yet again.If we didnt need to work there wouldnt be as many people sick. most of us are sick of the job,sick cause we cant get a job so what chance do we have.No wonder depression is so high.

    Vote for independance all scots,no matter what you are told it will be better than this.

    Comment by ian — June 26, 2013 @ 1:44 pm

  103. Hello Hope.

    It doesn’t matter what Doctors reports you show ATOS they don’t even look at them.
    That’s just one reason to send them copies only, originals in particular tend to get thrown in the nearest bin….think am kidding ?.

    So keep all your Doctors reports for the appeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 26, 2013 @ 3:45 pm

  104. Hello Ian.

    You need professional advice, the CAB are quite good, they have experts and can help, you just need to make an appointment with them and can sometimes be a bit of a pain getting it done, you can’t just walk in of the street anymore.

    The company you worked for went into liquidation ? they don’t sound much cop anyway.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 26, 2013 @ 3:50 pm

  105. Hello hope here. Actually the report said that my tremor could not be supported by doctors letter. She did not even mention Degenerative osteoarthritis with severe deterioration. or my wrist and knees. You see I had to send in one doctors report I did not acquire the other until after I sent in ESA50 and she states that she did take the doctors letter into account. She has put down that she advises work in unlikely within 2 years. I do not think I should call and ask her if she got the other doctors letter. I will just appeal. Also I did send in the other letter after ESA50 was sent they don’t seem to think they have it.

    Comment by Hope — June 26, 2013 @ 4:29 pm

  106. Hi all its me again i was just wondering if c c t v is used by atos where do they use it & how long do they keep it for ?! ( if recorded ) & do they not need our permission to do this ?!

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 26, 2013 @ 6:21 pm

  107. Hello Jenny.

    No one knows for sure if ATOS use CCTV, an ex ATOS whistle blower from Glasgow said they don’t in her ex office in Cadogan street.
    Other people say they do….I personally believe they do.
    Any filming they take will be a secret, and of course since it’s a secret then they don’t need our permission.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 26, 2013 @ 10:02 pm

  108. I don’t think your getting the message Hope.

    They don’t care what reports you send in because they don’t look at them, keep the reports for the appeal tribunal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 26, 2013 @ 10:04 pm

  109. Hi again dwp ! Do you have a first name or a nick name or something ?! I feel im talking with the enemy !!!!!!! Im beginning to be able to blog on your sister site i feel really proud of myself ! mind you thats a no no on the interigation learn a new task ! Lol ! Just wanted to ask can anything be done to sue atos for making me even worse than i was bedore ?! Im sure tgeyve exasibated my condition !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 27, 2013 @ 12:00 am

  110. Hello,hope here. I do get the message its just she did state that she had reffered to the letter for my anxiety. It states anxiety as per doctors letter. I see your right though because that is all she pulled out of it.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 27, 2013 @ 7:20 am

  111. Hello Jenny.

    Four years ago when the DWp found out what I was doing here and later on at our sister site.
    They offered a reward of £50,000 dead or alive.

    Subsequently on our sister site I adopted the sobriquet of Joe (Blogs), because I did not – As I’m sure you can understand – wish to be identified.

    Well, when I found out those skinflints at the DWP only put up a measly 50 grand for my head I was mighty offended, and only gave me the incentive to spur me on.
    DWP you measly dirty low down rats, I’ll get you for that…lol.

    Regards
    Joe.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 27, 2013 @ 8:21 am

  112. Suing ATOS or the DWP is child’s play Jenny, you can win no problem and put an end to this nonsense once and for all, I can guarantee it.

    All you need to do is win the lottery, unless you have an extra couple of thousand pounds lying around.

    If you do happen to have some spare cash, I’m sure you can find a quality law firm that would trip over themselves to help relieve you of it.

    Well you don’t think the Government are going to help you by granting you legal aid do you ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 27, 2013 @ 8:28 am

  113. Hello Hope.

    I’m surprised the even mentioned that, they usually skip over anything that can help you, and refer instead to anything that’s irrelevant.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 27, 2013 @ 8:33 am

  114. Hi joe oh thats so much better but really £50, 000 wow ! Thats disgraceful ! Mind you that wount get you far nowadays ! Well good luck dont think any one will try turning you in ! 50,000 wount do anything for me ! Youre secrets safe with me ! I still so cant beleive that ! Mind you the bastards wouldnt put it past em !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — June 27, 2013 @ 11:00 am

  115. I was too but it was quite detailed. She actually said that she would not expact me to ruturn to work for at least 2 years but I am still in the wrag group. Go figure

    Comment by Hope — June 27, 2013 @ 12:36 pm

  116. Hi DWP. So I am already to get this GL24 away, but not sure how far to go? Do I jump in with the full 7 page critique of the “Disability Consultant’s” shortcomings as a honest and reliable HCP? Hit the enemy hard and fast? Or should I simply hint at what is to come when I eventually get the bundle and go back with doctor, consultant and radiographer’s notes and findings?

    The latter course would also give me a chance to see what my daughter had said in the ESA 50. (She can’t remember.) On the other hand, she completed that six months before her assessment and her conditiondid worsened during that time, her meds were upped by factors of 3 or 4 and her personal life took a knock.

    Decisions! Decisions!

    What would you do, chum?

    TIA

    Comment by GpopBull — June 28, 2013 @ 5:13 am

  117. Hi GpopBull.

    Since the DWP decision maker/s claim they reconsider decisions I can tell you they do no such thing, especially when they know you don’t even have the ESA85 yet, of course that’s one of the reasons for holding it back, in order to cripple your chances of knowing what the liar at ATOS said in their fabricated report.

    So you can send of the GL24 form choosing the latter course, then in the future when the criminals at the DWP decide to send the ESA85 you can then send in the rest of the appeal in A4 Paper.

    On the GL24 before you send it off, remind the DWP that when you are finally in possession of the ESA85 report you will study it and compose the rest of the appeal and send it on.

    Also mention that you have to take this course because you understand there is a one month time limit to appeal, and in order to comply with the law you wish to be inside that time limit.

    You also understand that in order to be paid the assessment rate the law says a Doctors sicknote has to be forwarded to your office, therefore please find one sicknote attached.

    Regards
    Joe.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 28, 2013 @ 9:34 am

  118. Hello hope here, Did I read somewhere that when you have your appeal you should ask for an Oral hering? Whats it called. I just want to get it strait. Should I put that in my GL24?

    Comment by Hope — June 28, 2013 @ 1:17 pm

  119. Hi Hope.

    Yes you should ask for an oral hearing rather than a paper hearing, because the statistics say your chances of winning are much much higher.
    And put it on your GL24 appeal form.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 28, 2013 @ 2:58 pm

  120. Hello hope here, May I ask,how long does it take to hear from them after you send in your appeal?

    Comment by Hope — July 6, 2013 @ 10:59 am

  121. Hello Hope…It all depends, anything from a week to a month, sometimes even longer if they are really busy.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 6, 2013 @ 4:51 pm

  122. hi Joe just want to ask a question have i got confused again ?! no thats not the question lol they received my appeal yesterday & payments are going to resume this week but am i on esa or this new fangled pip thing ?! i started to claim esa in oct last year my esa was suspended when i scored a lovely 0 points on my face to face atos assessment now because theyve received my appeal my esa payments are starting up again this week but i thought that it changes to this new fangled pip benefit is that right or am i on esa ?! im confused please help ! oh i live in Bristol if that helps !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — July 9, 2013 @ 2:16 pm

  123. Hello Jenny.

    Yes it’s confusing, but in your case it’s simple to work out, you are on ESA, that’s Employment and Support allowance.
    PIP is the new personal independence payment which replaces DLA.

    So remember, PIP replaces DLA and Employment and Support allowance replaces Incapacity benefit.

    If you are appealing against an unfair fit for work decision for Employment and Support allowance then you will receive the assessment rate which is around £71 a week and is paid every two weeks.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 9, 2013 @ 3:45 pm

  124. Hello hope here, is it true that ESA claimants are to be forced to have regular mandatory appointments with DWP doctors or other health professionals, possibly employed by Atos or Capita, not to assess them for benefits but to get advice on how to improve their health.

    Comment by Hope — July 10, 2013 @ 12:28 pm

  125. Hello Hope.

    According to the benefits and work (Guides you can trust) website it’s true, so it does look as if it’s true.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 10, 2013 @ 4:30 pm

  126. Hi joe wonder if you can help ive sent off my appeal 2 weeks ago got a reply back saying they will go over the appeal or what im appealling & if they can rule in my favour if not will be sent to appeals tribunal or courts the thing is ive already had a reconsideration so surely it shouldve been sent to appeals or tribunals ?! Im confused ! . Thanks joe .

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — July 17, 2013 @ 12:06 pm

  127. Hello Jenny.

    When ATOS inform the DWP their conclusions to their fixed assessment by computer, the DWP decision maker looks at it and usually decides you are fit for work.

    Then they send the bad news to you, that’s called a decision and not a reconsideration, if you do not agree with their decision that you are fit for work then you have a right to appeal.
    Therefore you appeal, but before the DWP send it to the appeal tribunal service they are supposed to reconsider using a different decision maker, if they still agree you are fit for work then they inform you that your appeal has been reconsidered and that they will not change their decision, and have now passed your appeal to the appeal service.

    Very rarely do they change their decision, because that would mean they are admitting that they were wrong.

    That’s how it works, any other way is illegal, of course just because it’s illegal doesn’t mean they will stick to the law, the DWP have the power to disobey the law as long as it’s in the interests of the DWP and not in your interests.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 17, 2013 @ 5:41 pm

  128. Thats what i dont get i had a desicion i had a reconsideration & i put my appeal in now tgey say they are looking at the desicion to see if it can be changed then theyll send off to appeal tribunerals so ive had a desicion a reconsideration & another reconsideration then if its still the wrong desicion then theyll send to appeall tribuneral ! So thats 1 desicion & 2 reconsiderations ! I dont get it ! I thought that you get 1 desicion then a reconsideration then an appeall but im getting 2 reconsiderations ! Oh well let you know that outcome !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — July 18, 2013 @ 1:33 am

  129. Hello Jenny.

    Did you send in any new medical evidence on the second reconsideration ?.

    There’s only one logical reason why they would have a second reconsideration and that is if they are seriously thinking of changing the decision in your favour, anything else is just pure time wasting and messing you around.
    And shows the DWP can do as they please, even break the law, of course if they want to bend the rules in your favour then that’s acceptable, but not if it’s to play some twisted mind game to jerk you around.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 18, 2013 @ 4:50 am

  130. hi joe i only sent in a 2 page written thing that a family member had written pointing out innaccuracies from the atos esa 85 report that went into more detail like the time was wrong i wasnt even there when they said i was the fact that i told this person i had bakers cysts & that she expected me to try & squat & that was stupid of a so called health care professional that bakers cysts can erupt or her symptons worsern ! & that i cant sit still in a chair or stand or walk far the fact im homeless & that apparently my appearence was clean & i was neatly dressed i dont even wash my face ! i wear the same clothes day in day out ! my medication has been increased 4 x since my assessment etc ! no other medical reports my mats report i didnt understand it but theyre wasnt any cooberation for my bakers cysts but i have an 8 mm ganglion cyst in my left knee ! or the fact that whilst i was having the interragation that 1 of my knees popped & exploded in pain which she heard ! & thats why it was stopped ! i dont think i sent anything else with it !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — July 18, 2013 @ 3:54 pm

  131. thanks joe for explaining i didnt read your response properly just to double check i had the dreadful desicion to find me fit for work told them in the phonecall that i was going to appeal & i didnt send anything in for my case they reconsidered based on my esa 85 & the d m that desicion was upheld in their favour but i have since put in my appeal which they received 2 weeks ago i since received a reply saying they would look into the desicion & what im appealling at then if they still upheld their desicion then it will be sent for appeal tribunal ! which is i think youve said in your response ! i got confused with the whole thing & thought they were reconsidering the desicion ?!

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — July 18, 2013 @ 10:29 pm

  132. Hi Jenny.

    The whole thing is meant to be confusing, the whole idea is to deliberately drive you round the twist and induce you to give up.

    That’s just one reason why this Blog and our sister forum was started, to help people attain their rights and make it as difficult for the DWP as possible, without this site and our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org ATOS and the DWP would be running riot.

    Now more and more people are seeing how devious and what utter contemptible scum the DWP and ATOS are, it’s got to the stage now where ATOS and the DWP will never ever be trusted, no matter what they do and say now to make amends to their previous victims they will always carry the label of LYING SCUMBAGS.

    So far we’ve seen no indication that the DWP or ATOS really are changing their ways, in fact just the opposite, they’re stepping up their campaign of terror by ruining as many lives as possible and as quickly as possible before the public find out what they are doing.

    By the way, Iain Duncan Smith has the label of RATBAG, I don’t agree on metaphors for these people, why not tell him the truth, which is SMITH…YOUR A SCUMBAG.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 19, 2013 @ 6:25 am

  133. hi Joe totally confusing nothings ever straightforward ! do you have any idea how long its supposed to take if someone else is gonna make a desicion before it goes off for appeals ?! i bet youll reply how longs a piece of string lol ! its just the address i use as a care of i wount be able to get any letters sent to me for bout 5 weeks ! & im a little concerned that theyll send me something to reply too & ill miss a deadline or something ! thanks Joe for your help !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — July 22, 2013 @ 12:34 pm

  134. Shouldn’t take anymore than two weeks Jenny for the DWP to reconsider, sometimes a little bit longer, just depends on how busy they are.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 22, 2013 @ 12:38 pm

  135. hi Joe again i was just thinking would it be a good idea to phone the dim wit monkeys at the esa helpline & express to them that i wount be able to get any mail thats sent to me for bout 5 week period ?! thanks Joe !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — July 22, 2013 @ 12:40 pm

  136. hi Joe again just a quick question do you know when in april the esa rates change ?!

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — July 22, 2013 @ 1:25 pm

  137. It should be around the 6th of April 2014.
    Why do you want to know that pray tell ?….lol.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 22, 2013 @ 9:27 pm

  138. hi Joe ooh thatd be telling ! no im just being super optimistic of how much money im hoping of possibly getting if i win my appeal or the other desicion if it doesnt go to appeal & im in the support group ! the not fit to work group ! im up to 29 weeks tomorrow from the intitial 14 th week ! 2 nd Jan this year ! possibly up to around £997 ?! if they do find in favour of me that is ! should take you for a drink to celebrate ! unless your teetotal ! then ill buy you a coffee or hot choc for all your wonderful advice on what to do !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — July 23, 2013 @ 4:29 pm

  139. hi Joe again so its usually around the first week of april it changes ?! does it change every year ?! can you remember what date it was this year ?! 2013 !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — July 23, 2013 @ 4:34 pm

  140. Money money money, it’s a rich Cameron’s world…lol.

    Year 2013 ? I think it was the fifth, why you want to know that glasshopper ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 23, 2013 @ 7:58 pm

  141. Hi Joe i was trying to work out how much money i could possibly receive if i was succesful with my esa appeal thing desicion obviously it might be a while yet & the outcome in my favour i was trying to work out how much money i could get as its backdated to the 14 th week which would put it from Jan this yr so its been 29 weeks tomorrow 24th & if im lucky to get the full wak of £106:50 thats a difference of £34:?! So thats 29 weeks x £34 ?! Is that right ?! So im upto about £1000 ?! Or am i confused again ?!

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — July 23, 2013 @ 10:39 pm

  142. Oh yes, it mounts up every week, as each week goes by you can rub your hands and say…gimme more more more.

    ATOS and their commander in chief Iain Duncan Swindler Smith have been rapped apparently
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/benefit-test-overhaul-atos-rapped-2079912

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 24, 2013 @ 7:45 am

  143. Hi Joe will have a look at this link but yes if im succesful that would certainly be a very nice boost maybe i could use that as a deposit for rented accomodation ! Or i could just pay a lot of people back that ive borrowed off but will have to take you for a drink ! I dont mind traveling ive got a free bus pass !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — July 24, 2013 @ 9:43 am

  144. Jenny…Maybe when this is all over and ATOS have been consigned to the dustbin of history, we can all meet up somewhere and have a celebratory drink..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 24, 2013 @ 12:48 pm

  145. Hi Joe i think that the odds of that happening are more than the odds of winning the lottery but yes too right id be up to that ! I dont really drink perhaps the odd 1 on my b day or at xmas but yep id be up for that ! ( obviously cant afford to drink either ! ) . Anyway ill let you know what happens with my desicion either the 1 before the appeal or the appeal itself but i know if it goes to appeal itll be months & months away ive heard that some are taking 18 months plus ! Dont really care how long away it is as at least im getting some money to live ! Lol ! .

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — July 24, 2013 @ 3:30 pm

  146. Jenny…A roof over your head and some captain every week to keep you going is all you need, then when you win your appeal you have some money in the bank.
    The Governments whole idea is to sicken everyone by not informing claimants of their rights, and hope they just accept what they tell them and don’t appeal, I urge everyone to appeal, I urge everyone to stop being complacent and learn their rights and beat these people, don’t give them what they want, which is white flag, surrender, suicides, despondency, despair and I don’t want to claim anymore because it’s to much hassle.

    That’s why our sister site – which is the offshoot of this Blog – was set up http://www.dwpexamination.org to counter Government corruption and outright lies regarding welfare reform and privatisation of the NHS, we have made a giant impact, and we are going to keep hammering away at them, they will give in first because they are nothing but criminals, we are right and they are wrong it’s as simple as that, and right always wins in the end.

    Even now, Iain Duncan Smith is hanging on by the skin of his teeth, the only reason the Tories don’t kick him out right now is because the embarrassment of doing so would be overwhelming and lead to their own destruction.
    Well that’s just too bad, we are not interested in helping Iain Duncan Smith, he is nothing but a criminal scumbag, and the sooner he goes the better, and he can take those assholes Mark Hoban and Lord flippen never been elected Freud with him as well.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 25, 2013 @ 7:10 am

  147. Hi Joe i replied earlier but im homeless ! Havent got a roof over my head !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — July 25, 2013 @ 8:59 pm

  148. Hello Jenny.

    Can your local council not help ? or are they as useless as the DWP and ATOS ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 26, 2013 @ 9:55 am

  149. Hi Joe council cant help at mo because in jan of this year i had my personal shopping trolley nicked together with £15 worth of food shopping for my daughter & my passport id was in the pocket at the back ive now got no i d now and cant really afford to buy any id birth cert costs a tenner driving license is about 30 & passport is bout 90 ! I just cant afford any !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — July 26, 2013 @ 5:37 pm

  150. Jenny…you must be staying somewhere ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 26, 2013 @ 5:45 pm

  151. Hi Joe not really i go round friends & family to charge my phone but cant stay with anyone as theyve got no room either that or im cramped up on safas not really sleeping coz im in pain ! & wearing my knees out a lot quicker ! I lost my home a few yrs ago i was a bus driver & i was sacked for issuing 1 wrong ticket ! I had a lot on my mind with my kids being bullied the last attack on my boy was when he just turned 6 he was cornered by a 13 yr old bitch who sprayed bug spray in his face all over him had it in his eyes etc had an ambulance & police but they got away with it time & time again ! Various things went on & in the end id just wanted it all to stop my marrage broke down he moved out & took a place on that was just way too small in his name evan thou it was supposed to be a joint offer of accomodation & i was evicted for rent arrears the kids went to live with him ! Then i was barred from council housing for 3 yrs for the rent arrears then afterwards my knees got really bad i was walking everywhere 8/10 miles a day visiting people wearing out my welcome etc !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — July 27, 2013 @ 5:54 pm

  152. You sound as if you’ve had a real hard life Jenny, is there no woman’s refuge in your area ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 28, 2013 @ 9:34 am

  153. Hi Joe no unfortunately i was staying in a night shelter bout 1 + half ago but it closed down i was reffered to a homeless place but unfortunately couldnt afford to live there as i had to spend half my money on bus fares coz at the time my ex was working & i had to pick em up from school etc & i just couldnt afford to do it ! Four quid a day in bus fares just for me i didnt have money to eat so i gave in my notice & left in april either last yr or the yr before i cant remember thats my memory its s%#@ ! I cant even remember what i did yesterday ! Let alone last week !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — July 28, 2013 @ 1:28 pm

  154. All I can say is your life experience through no fault of your own is absolutely shocking Jenny, what a country this has become..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 29, 2013 @ 3:07 am

  155. Thank you Joe ! Oh well they say what dont kill you only makes you stronger! am a fighter ! I wount go down without a fight im small but deadly ! I once got a wheel clamp off my car coz my permit had fallen off windscreen it took most of the day but i did it ! They put another clamp on it coz i wretcked the first 1 & while i was in the office they removed it but i was 8 & 1/2 months pregnant at the time ! Didnt pay up !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — July 29, 2013 @ 11:26 am

  156. Hey Joe are you ok ?! You aint blogged in a while is that the correct saying blogged ?! Oh well you might have gone for a few days rest somewhere stay out of the sun for long periods you dont want to end up being burnt thats not nice !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — August 3, 2013 @ 11:06 am

  157. Oh by the way Joe you havent heard all the rest of my life experience if there were awards for crappy life experiences i think id win ! Lol !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — August 3, 2013 @ 11:09 am

  158. Hi Jenny.

    This page ”How to request reconsideration” is not the only page on this Blog…there’s around twenty, em haven’t counted them…lol.
    And we have a forum too http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 3, 2013 @ 1:39 pm

  159. Hi Joe i dont understand all this technology its way beyond me ! Mind you my oldest daughter 21 keeps trying to explain things & its just way over my head ! Shes like a level 3 I T thing or trying to get an apprentice or working towards a level 3 or some at ! I dont understand it ! She tell me things & it goes in 1 ear out the other ! Lol ! Anyway nice to hear from you ! Take it easy !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — August 3, 2013 @ 11:35 pm

  160. Jenny…Cheers, and you take it eeeeeeeeasy, take it eaaaa..sy, don’t let the sound of your old wheels drive you crazy…LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 4, 2013 @ 6:09 pm

  161. Hi Joe Lol ! I know you have a sister site but its just easier to blog or post on here ! I dont understand all the symbols on the other 1 & i just get totally confused & i press something & it just deletes everything ! Anyway nice to hear from you keep up the good work ! Lol !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — August 5, 2013 @ 1:37 pm

  162. Hi Joe just been re reading some of the bloggs?! From you thank you for the date ill try calculate what i might possibly be owed now ! Money money money in a rich mans world !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — August 8, 2013 @ 9:18 pm

  163. Hello Jenny.

    When you do receive that reimbursment then please be sending some money to my bank account in the Royal bank of Nigeria, my account number is most being KYBONGO…365988.
    Thank you very much Missy Jenny….lol.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 8, 2013 @ 9:36 pm

  164. Hi Joe LOL ! Ill try to remember that ! Mind you you shouldnt be putting your bank details for everyone to see i might change sex & try & clone your identity & nick all your pennies that you get in benefits ! LOL LOL LOL PMSL ! Oh god my phone keeps freezing ! Oh i am such a technophobe ! Why did i ever get a mobile phone ! LOL ! Oh god shoot me now im starting to sound like my dad ! anyway been really good to hear from you me old china hows you anyway ? Im getting my generous £71:40 a week assessment rate esa im waiting for my appeal letter to arrive maybe ill be lucky & have it next year i wount hold my breath ! Whatll you think ?!

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — August 9, 2013 @ 12:43 am

  165. Indeed Jenny the £71:40 a week assessment rate is most very generous, truly the Conservative British Government are very magnanimous.
    This is why I most do not understand why their members are leaving the party in droves.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2387389/MP-claims-party-haemorrhaging-numbers-Cameron-listening-views.html

    It’s good to see our most precious leader Mr Cameroon is an avid reader of the good book, truly he is one of life’s finest human beings.
    Praise the Lord and bless his soul.
    We must all join his excellency in helping him to eradicate poverty.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2387452/Prime-Minister-admits-finds-little-difficult-follow-Christs-example-possessions-poor.html

    (PS) This is not Joe, he has f****d off on holiday with Simon Cowell and four of his girlfriends, and has left me – his good friend megumbo – to preach the gospel to all you god fearing men and woman out there.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 9, 2013 @ 7:47 am

  166. Hi Megumbo hope ive spelled that correctly ! Oh its alright for some fing off on holiday ive never been on a proper holiday ! Ive been abroad twice in my life once on a school day trip to france the other on a hen weekend to ireland bout 11 yrs ago ! But never done the 2 weeks in some far off place relaxing by a pool etc ! Oh woe is me ! Talking of politictians they are all lying cheating greedy bastards theyre so high up on their pedestals they dont know what its like to live in the real world ! To have to struggle not only financially but mentally to not live but meerly to exist they have their mansions with countless empty bedrooms i bet they dont have to pay for the bedroom tax ! LOL ! But they just dont care about us normal folk i mean look at me im 40 & homeless with arthritic bad knees surgery out of the question for at least 20/30 yrs sofa surfing with friends & family eating once a day depressed & trying to support my 21 yr old aspergic homeless daughter who hasent had any jsa for about 8 weeks ( they automatically closed her jsa down as she had 3 periods of sickness due to having teeth removed her id stolen as well ) ! Shes just managed to get a claim going thru but wount get paid anything for at least another 3 /4 weeks ! M P ‘s would proberbly kill themselves or have temper tantrums if they had to struggle thru life like the rest of us ! . LOL !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — August 9, 2013 @ 10:22 am

  167. Hello Missy Jeeny.

    Megumbo megumbo here, was speaking via my cell phone to my esteemed friend Joe and he sends his warmest regards from Simons Yacht.

    He can’t tell you where he is for security reasons, That’s ”SOCIAL SECURITY” but he can tell you that he is being very well looked after…wink wink.

    Says he’ll tell you all about his experience when he gets back..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 9, 2013 @ 5:54 pm

  168. Hi megumbo is that right sorry your names right down at the bottom of the page ! Well tell Joe i wish i had people looking after me ! LOL ! Oh everyone needs a bit of pampering every now & then ! Tell him im thinking of him relaxing somewhere ! JEALOUS MUCH ! Well heel have to tell me all about it when he gets back !

    Comment by Anonymous — August 9, 2013 @ 7:38 pm

  169. I can most assure you my esteemed friend Joe knows how to look after himself, he will be back shortly after his holiday to look after all you good folk on here.
    I’m just filling in for a few days to spread gods good work.
    Praise the Lord.

    Sir Megumbo megumbo.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 9, 2013 @ 9:30 pm

  170. Hi Megumbo just to let you know i picked up my mail yesterday & have received my appeal papers & another 1 which is the formal do i wish to carry on with my appeal form which i will be filling out & sending back today ! Wish me luck that it doesnt take too long however theyve said that it will be at least between 6-8 weeks before i hear from them again as they are dealling with a lot of appealls ! LOL i know that 3 quarters of people are appealling !

    Comment by Anonymous — August 11, 2013 @ 9:43 am

  171. Hello Anonymous.

    I am most delighted to hear you have your appeal papers and appeal go ahead form, and you will be attending a hearing in the near future.
    I have informed Joe, he sends his warmest regards and hopes for the very best of luck.

    Sir Megumbo.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 11, 2013 @ 9:55 am

  172. Hi megumbo that was me that was from anonymous ! I dont know why it said from anonymous as it usually keeps my name in the box ! Dont understand that oh well i should have my appeal hearing hopefully bout 3 months time but have been told there is a very long wait some have taken 18 months plus ! Whens Joe back ?! Do you know ?! Alright for some having a nice relaxing time somewhere wish i was there & yes i am JEALOUS !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — August 11, 2013 @ 4:37 pm

  173. Joe will be back tomorrow, he knows you all miss his greatness, and he can’t wait to get back.
    Meanwhile I will watch out for any sinners on here who don’t respect the good book.

    Sir Megumbo megumbo.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 11, 2013 @ 8:25 pm

  174. Hi Joe i really hope you had a awesome time on your hols i expect youll tell me all about it when you get back today but i need a little bit of advice my ex husband who suffers with epilepsy had a dla form sent to him with a covering letter that his dla is due to run out dec 2013 ! He currently only receives the low care entitlement as he cant cook although hes had some quite bad fits whilst out hes had cracked sckull were hes had staples in fallen down the stairs on 1 occassion after his appeal he fell in the side of a road & broke & dislocated his shoulder ! He fractured the joint & had to were a splint my qustion is should he fill out the dla form that was sent to him or wait til around dec when his claim ends & then fill out another 1 ?! I think he should get different entiltelment maybe the higher rate of care his memory is shit to say the least & a few of his fits hes been out with the kids im scared not only for his safety but for the kids as well ! Please can you advise me !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — August 12, 2013 @ 11:16 am

  175. Hello Jenny.

    Joe here…Simon and especially two of his girlfriends were very good to me on my yachting holiday…wink wink.
    But here we go, back to reality.

    Anyway, your question should he fill it in now ? well since his circumstances have changed ie his health problems have got worse not better then on that understanding he should fill it in now, making sure they get the message STRONGLY that his health problems have got worse not better and therefore should be entitled to the higher rate of care.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 12, 2013 @ 1:00 pm

  176. Hi Joe oh my ex is simon 1 of the girlfriends wernt Jenny by any chance ? Thats my name anyway oh a boating hol sounds sooo nice & relaxing & pretty sercluded ?! Oh you really had a good time then ? Mind you you had 2 women to keep you occupied then mind you more work or extracarricular activities ! LOL ! Oh my ! Ok back to reality so you think that i should fill out the form on his behalf ?! He filled his out last time & to be blunt about it i wouldnt ve given him anything with what he put in it or Not put in it either ! Thats why i really got involved with it as i still care for him & obviously he needs to be as well fit as can be being the sole carer of our kids ! But hes useless when it comes to filling in forms ! Thats why it ended going to a tribuneral ! But i think what also is a problem is that if i fill it out will his benfit stop while theyre dealing with it ?! Hes come to rely on getting that little bit of money to tide him over til he gets the bulk of the tax credits he gets ! Will this affect it ?!

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — August 12, 2013 @ 1:45 pm

  177. Hello Jenny.

    No one can predict what the DWP will do, they do as they please, if they want to stop someones money then they can do it, they have carte blanche to commit illegal acts, and up until now at least no one is stopping them.

    So look upon filling in the form as an opportunity to report a worsening of his personal circumstances and not as some kind of an order or direction from them.

    You could say that since his DLA doesn’t run out until December 2013 you find it strange that he has been sent a form to fill in so soon.
    But since the form is here you welcome the opportunity to fill in the form and report a change of circumstances.
    IE…A worsening of his health condition.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 12, 2013 @ 2:50 pm

  178. Thanks Joe ill see to that then by the way any more juicy titbits from your wicked debauchery of a holiday ? LOL ! Surprised you havent said anything or is it just use our imagination ! Anyway im glad you had a terrific holiday anyway you need some looking after now & then wish i did ! LOL ! Back to reality now !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — August 12, 2013 @ 7:17 pm

  179. I had a great holiday on Simons yacht Jenny, wine, Bourbon and rum babas were in abundance, fish, pork and chicken barbecued, plenty of Bob Marley type music too, we even went fishing went swimming in the sea, and later Simon (God bless em) even walked around asking how we were all fixed for smokes etc.
    As for his two lovely girlfriends, just let’s say the massages were great but I never kiss and tell…wink wink.

    (PS) Jenny….The song, one of my favourites ”In the summertime by Mungo Jerry” was continuously blasting out the stereo.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 12, 2013 @ 8:23 pm

  180. Oh Joe im really JEALOUS i must admit i do like in the summertime by mungo i was brought up with Paul Hogan you know the 1 that went on to do crocodile dundee but he used that as a scketch song but i do like it ! I do smoke & my only alchololic drink is Malibu & coke ! Thats the only drink i drink ! Non of this wine or beer or lager or any other spirits just Malibu yeah man ! LOL ! How long was your holiday a week ?! Thats the thing bout holidays you never really want to come back to reality unless something awlful happens like an accident ! Oh im soo Jealous ! Well ill have a listen to the song thanks ! Youve brought back a bit of my childhood ! Speak later !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — August 13, 2013 @ 10:02 am

  181. And Procul Harum…a sixties favourite of mine too.
    Simple Simon….lol.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 13, 2013 @ 1:10 pm

  182. Hi Joe uuuummmm you didnt happen to go with a well known simon did you ?!

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — August 13, 2013 @ 1:11 pm

  183. Oh and by the way it wount let me play thise songs it just looks blank !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — August 14, 2013 @ 3:09 pm

  184. Videos are OK this end Jenny…must be your end…lol.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 14, 2013 @ 4:11 pm

  185. Hi joe with my total knowledge of it i just have to touch the play triangle on it dont i ? Thats what i have been doing but nothing happens apart from the triangle disappearing ! Lol & you didnt reply to the well known simon question ? So did you ? Lol ! Oh yes did i tell you i got my appeal papers sent to me filled out the 1 to go ahead with it form so its just a wait n see !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — August 14, 2013 @ 7:20 pm

  186. Well if I were you Jenny I’d take that useless lump of plastic back and get a refund…lol.
    Yes…me and Simon are best buddies…wink wink..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 14, 2013 @ 8:40 pm

  187. Hi Joe wish i could on contract no insurance coz we couldnt afford it at the time i got a galaxy mark 2 s thing android phone loads of things wrong with it it keeps freezing sometimes i cant make specific calls ie the police it automactically hangs up the batt gets very hot from time to time let me think yep thats about it ! Useless oh well so you did go with simon cowel then you lucky sod mind you i never watch the x factor anyway keep you updated with the progress of my appeal ok have fun !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — August 15, 2013 @ 8:31 am

  188. Jenny…A battery heating up is not good, not good at all, they’ve even been known to explode.
    Sounds like the battery is on it’s last legs, all the cells have died, so plash out and buy a new battery.

    Yes please let me know the progress of your appeal..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 15, 2013 @ 8:42 am

  189. Hi Joe i think i will if im successful with my appeal not sure what ill get mind you . Hows you anyway with getting back to reality ?

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — August 15, 2013 @ 9:44 am

  190. Am going great Jenny, missing Simon and his girlfriends already though…ah well ces’t la vie as they say…lol.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 15, 2013 @ 6:31 pm

  191. Hi Joe oh well they say if lives good to you all the time you wount know a gret thing when it comes along Lol no update on my appeal yet they said it ll take 6-8 weeks before i hear anything so i sent my form off on monday to say i wanted to go ahead with it so thats done my ex fainted or fell in the library yesterday so have made him drs app passer by thought he had diabetes so hes going even if i have to drag him to the drs he did say he aint been feeling good for months he says he feels like hes gonna have a fit but never does typical i only found out last week

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — August 16, 2013 @ 8:27 am

  192. We need to look after ourselves, the Government don’t care, they are driving people to suicide to get rid of us..!!

    http://www.wigantoday.net/news/local/haunted-by-bedroom-tax-debt-torment-1-5953468

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 16, 2013 @ 10:19 am

  193. Hi Joe ive read that mind you i wouldnt mind having my own bedroom people could take lodgers in charge a reduced amount anyway just to give you update on my ex got app to go back having blood tests ekg & something else that i cant read hes got app 5 th sept

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — August 17, 2013 @ 9:46 am

  194. I take all lodgers into my spare cupboard, squeezing as many as possible in there, standing room only though, HEY It’s free…lol.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 18, 2013 @ 10:24 am

  195. Hi Joe long time no speak to . Just re read your last post & can i move in ? I dont take up much room & ive only got 5 t shirts & 2 pairs jeans lol

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — September 1, 2013 @ 10:19 pm

  196. Ah sadly Jenny you’re to late, the cupboards all packed to the brim – no more room at the inn as they say – everyone loves it here so much no one wants to leave.
    Will let you know if there’s a vacancy..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 2, 2013 @ 6:13 am

  197. Thanks Joe keep in touch its better than sleeping in castle park !

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — September 2, 2013 @ 7:16 pm

  198. I wish I had bigger premises to take all sinners, I hate to see the lords children sleeping in parks.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 3, 2013 @ 7:08 am

  199. Hi Joe long time no speak ive just been told that if im successful with my appeal i get it back dated to when my e s a claim started & not from the 14 th week is this right ? I was told by e s a muppets that it was the 14 th week but a friend of mine whose daughter went thru it said oh no it gets back dated to the start of the claim ?

    Comment by Mrs Jenny Semmence — September 29, 2013 @ 10:01 am

  200. Hi Jenny.

    Are you getting the assessment rate of ESA at the moment ?, you should get that straight away at the beginning of the claim, after they make you suffer for a while of course, it’s the working component which gets back dated to the beginning of the claim provided they find you unfit for work.
    If they find you fit for work and have to appeal then you continue on with the assessment rate until the appeal is settled, of course you must ask them to pay you because if you don’t then they will just not pay you, if you win the appeal then the working component is backdated to the beginning of the claim.

    The confusion arises here because when we make a claim for ESA you are paid the assessment rate of ESA for the first 13 weeks, ATOS are supposed to assess your fitness to work inside that time limit, but…they sometimes do not do that, sometimes they assess you after the 13 weeks, this means they should pay the full rate from the end of the 13th week.

    The full rate is the assessment rate plus the working or support component.

    And the DWP do not want to pay anyone after the 13th week, so they hope you don’t say anything or they just hope you don’t know you are entitled to be paid after the 13 week limit.

    In fact the DWP are so desperate not to pay out they actually lie over the phone and inform people they are not entitled to the extra payment after the 13th week if they are still not assessed by ATOS on their fitness to work, that is just one reason why you want everything from these criminal bastards in writing.
    No over the phone gobbledygook, no forked tongue, no mumbo jumbo followed by jumbo mumbo, just GIVE ME THAT IN WRITING AT YOUR EARLIEST CONVENIENCE PLEASE.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 29, 2013 @ 2:44 pm

  201. Ascot NEW rules on 28-10-13. There is No GL24 form anymore ! ?.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 9, 2013 @ 12:01 pm

  202. Cheers for that anonymous.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 10, 2013 @ 8:19 am

  203. Hi please can you give me some advice, I have been on incapacity for 22 yrs, and I added my husband on last year after he broke his femur on a skiing holiday. I had a letter to say I was fit for work and I only scored 6 points. I rung them and asked for a reconsideration on 22 november( three weeks Friday!) but haven’t heard anything, I have since rung them twice but they said it’s still waiting to be viewed! My last payment goes in this Friday, and I can’t sleep for worry, as it will be 2 weeks before christmas and I have a little boy. As from next week all I have coming in is £56. We are also paying a Morgage with no help. So can you tell me if there’s a time limit for the reconsideration please? Any advice welcomed:) Beverley x

    Comment by Beverley lewis — December 11, 2013 @ 12:50 am

  204. Hello Beverly.

    There is now no time limit for reconsideration, actually there never was a time limit.
    It all depends now on the whim of the individual DWP decision maker whether they get on with it and reconsider in your favour or allow you to appeal to the appeal service, or drag it out by using some excuse like have you any more evidence.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 11, 2013 @ 7:16 am

  205. Hi aged 59
    badly deformed hip ( perthes ) fused spine with bulging discs (Schuermans disease )Back is inoperable Have mobility issues
    arthritic knees with damaged cartilage
    Been On I B since 2005 when forced to retire on ill health after 18 yrs working for Tesco
    assessed by ATOS 0 points May 2013
    Attended my Tribunal two weeks and was awarded 9 points And 6 points
    Dwp decision arrived yesterday and i appear to have been put in the WRAG group
    Not sure why as the members of the tribunal felt unless there was some form of miracle i was unfit for work
    #######
    Q Has anyone been successful and got them to change their minds and relocate them to the Support group ??

    regards Les

    Comment by les — January 26, 2014 @ 9:56 am

  206. Hello Les.

    I have to assume the tribunal have only awarded the work related group ? in which case the only way forward is to ask for a statement of reasons from the panel judge and see if you can appeal.
    Be aware though, if you do wish to appeal against their decision then you will need help from welfare rights or the CAB.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 26, 2014 @ 5:50 pm

  207. Hi many thanks for replying

    If i accept that i am in WRAG Will they realise at the jobcentre that its patently obvious that i will not ever have a single day where i would be capable of getting to work and performing any usefull purpose and migrate me into the support group
    Also even though my Tribunal was only a fortnight ago my 365 days will be up by MAY 7th FOR CONTRIBUTEry esa
    Q will they automatically transfer me to income related ESA

    Comment by les — January 26, 2014 @ 6:52 pm

  208. Hi Les.

    When your contributory ESA expires on May the seventh you will just receive letter from the DWP informing you that you are no longer entitled to ESA, almost certainly on that letter it will not say that you may be eligible for income related ESA, obviously because they hope you do not know you can apply to see if you are eligible.
    If you call the DWP and ask what you are supposed to live on if your ESA has expired they will tell you to sign on for work, again they will not mention you may be entitled to income related ESA.
    But if you say to them that you would like to receive the form to apply for income related ESA because you would like to apply then they will concede and send you the form.
    You see ? it’s all a con Les, they are not in the business of informing you of your rights, there is no such thing as automatic transfers, they might even cheekily tell you they are not operating a how are you fixed for cash bleeding hearts service.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 26, 2014 @ 9:36 pm

  209. hi I failed my medical with atos only scoring 6 points
    I didn’t know I had failed until I went to the bank to find my ESA had been stopped.
    I have telephone JCP and they told me a letter had been sent out on the 21st January (I think they are lying) anyway I asked for reconsideration and have requested GL24 and a ESA85 and asked to be put on the assessment rate during the appeal only to be told they were unable to do it and have advised me to put a claim in for job seekers assessment rate? while they reconsider.
    Penny from Sunderland JSP also refused to give me a contact number and has told me the letters I requested can take up to 10 days to process.

    Any advise would be very much appreciated.
    Thanks in advance Tony

    Comment by tony — February 7, 2014 @ 3:19 pm

  210. That’s the new law the Tories thought up Tony, a catch twenty two, sign on and declare you are fit for work – which will not look good at the appeal – or ride it out until the DWP decision maker has reconsidered.
    The reconsideration is at their discretion as far as time goes, in other words if they wish to delay the reconsideration then they can, usually giving excuses like have you any new medical evidence to show us etc.

    But once they have finally reconsidered then you are free to carry on with the appeal to the tribunal, and you will be paid the assessment rate.

    Notice I said that YOU are free ? at one time the DWP used to forward your appeal to the appeal service, they will no longer help by doing that now, you have to forward the appeal yourself.
    They obviously hope you expect them to do it for you, but that wont happen, and don’t expect them to tell you either, in fact expect no help from the DWP, everything will be your responsibility.

    You can see what they are trying to do ? bully and browbeat and hope you give in.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 7, 2014 @ 9:23 pm

  211. Thanks for your prompt reply dwpexamination

    Fortunately I have some savings that will tide me over for a few of weeks so hopefully they won’t take too long with their reconsideration.
    I have not seen the ESA85 report yet but I am 100% sure the ATOS nurse has lied which seems to be the norm with these so called health professionals
    Thanks again for the advice it has been very helpful

    Comment by tony — February 8, 2014 @ 10:21 am

  212. Hi. May i post up a new thread here to continue with this subject but based on my own experience?

    Comment by Tony — June 12, 2014 @ 12:11 pm

  213. Sure Tony…on you go.
    You can also pay a visit to our sister site too http://www.dwpexamination.org

    A copy and paste is fine from here to the other site, we need as many people as possible to hear from others, if only to get it across to everyone affected by this cruel Governments misguided welfare reforms…THAT THEY ARE NOT ALONE.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 12, 2014 @ 2:51 pm

  214. Thank you. My experience began back in 2011 when i was diagnosed for the second time with cancer (i have been in the clear now for over two years.) The effects of the disease, surgery, treatment is believed to have gradually started breaking my bodies defences down and i have been enduring a number of health problems ever since. With permanent Osteopaenia of the spine that restricts me from the kind of manual work i used to do, and having been told i could make this problem worse if i over exert myself, erratic sleep pattern due to breathing issues, and chest pains that run over into my left arm that are not yet seen as sinister,i had always been deemed as unfit for work by Atos, and the DWP Decision Makers. Then a few weeks ago i had my next medical, and added to my health issues is a Mental Health Disorder still undergoing diagnosis, but related to anxiety and OCD. I cannot cope with being around too many people, or being in public places. It effects me to the point of a panic attack. However, i attended my medical having arranged the first appointment to avoid a busy waiting room, endured the medical with bouts of sitting and standing as i could not get comfortable, only to receive a call from the other day that i am being disallowed ESA altogether. Transferred directly through to a department to arrange a JSA claim, after being told i could not appeal immediately and needed to await my letter of explanation.
    AS i told the Decision Maker, how can i be expected to attend a busy job centre, and allow myself to be able to take on employment, with my condition as it is? It didn’t make a difference. So, tomorrow i am forced to endure the job centre experience (who are aware of my situation and have expressed they will do what they can to help me….though i am doubtful as they cannot argue with the decision that has been made.) I have provided a statement explaining my circumstances for them to file with my claim, which highlights what i would be able to consider in order to entitle myself to JSA benefit. It won’t be easy but i have to force myself to follow the rules, or have no income at all. I am going to be putting in the Mandatory Reconsideration, and i will appeal if need be. I also need my gp to write me a full medical report but if it is true that they charge a fee, i will be stuck.

    Sorry this was so long. AS a guy in my 40′s this scenario is now actually scaring me, and it’s only my ability to voice my opinion at its most clearest in writing which is helping me find a way to struggle through this. Thank you for listening. Any advice would be welcome. Tony

    Comment by Tony — June 12, 2014 @ 4:44 pm

  215. * call from the DWP Decision Maker*…forgive the missing words

    Comment by Tony — June 12, 2014 @ 4:46 pm

  216. Hi Tony.

    They are trying to use underhand tactics to give you the impression that you are not allowed to appeal, or have no chance of winning an appeal, and therefore get you on JSA instead of appealing and getting the assessment rate of ESA.

    This seems to be the latest strategy from the heartless DWP and has become quite common, they are trying to stop as many people from launching appeals because far to many people are winning them for Iain Duncan Smiths liking, they know that if you do not attend the Job centre then that will give them the excuse to stop any benefits to you.

    I can suggest you try your best to attend the job centre, and whilst there explain that since the decision maker has reconsidered their original decision (NB, make sure you get that in writing, phone calls mean nothing), and their heart is set in stone then you have no alternative and are appealing against their decision that you are fit for work, and will not be signing on, but wait for the assessment rate instead.

    Unfortunately Tony, while dealing with the DWP, patience is the key, and I for one understand that patience is something you no longer have.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 12, 2014 @ 7:20 pm

  217. Thanks for the reply. Well, i managed to attend the job centre, despite the panic attack that took place when i was there (thankfully i had already been taken to a private room so gathered myself together before my interview.) In all fairness my advisor was very understanding and restrictions and limitations have been placed on my job search expectancies, at least whilst i am in the process of a pending Mandatory Reconsideration, and then possibly appeal.

    Still haven’t received my letter of explanation though which should also lay out the process of the Reconsideration. Will give it till the end of Monday and then look into a strong enquiry. Not easy as i am not comfortable or confident over the phone, but there appears to be no email contact with the Decision Makers.

    Have also been considering my local CAB but they never pick up the phone when i force myself to ring them. And turning up on a whim won’t get me an appointment,not that i am in a position to attend anyway….today was hard enough. I need time to prepare for another appearance at a public venue!!

    Wrote to my gp today to ask for a full medical report. Not sure if they charge…some people say they do, others the opposite. I have told her i cannot afford a fee so will see how this pans out.

    Going to be a very difficult few weeks, and with the huge drop in finances the struggle will be heightened. Hopefully i will find enough inner strength to get through this to my benefit. Thank you again for the opportunity to share my experience, and for your own input.

    Comment by Tony — June 13, 2014 @ 5:58 pm

  218. Thanks for the update Tony.

    You have to be patient and take one thing at a time, we are all in the same boat.
    I’ve had five assessments since 2009, got six points in every one, and appealed every one.

    I’m waiting for my next assessment, due any time, and that’s going to be the inevitable reconsideration with a phone call from a decision maker saying It’s hopeless and it’s better I surrender and go and sign on.

    Nope…I’m going to ride it out and appeal.

    Anyway, if you need help in the future you can get it here at our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 13, 2014 @ 8:36 pm

  219. Hi there again. Haven’t been onto your other site yet, but i thought i would leave an update here and ask an additional query. I sent a copy of my GP report, and my own 5 page personal report which also included highlighting a few issues on the Atos Medical report, to the DWP Decision Maker in regards to the Mandatory Reconsideration. I also attached the same documents in an email to DWP Complaints Resolution Department, and they sent them on in an email late last week.

    Today i have been informed that the Decision Maker has completed the Mandatory Resolution, and i will receive the decision in a letter in the next couple of day. My question…..this seems really quick and i am concerned the decision has been made without reading the facts presented to them. Does it sound to you that this could be a positive or negative result i will be receiving?

    Thanks, as always for your time.

    Tony

    Comment by Tony — July 7, 2014 @ 3:22 pm

  220. Hi Tony.

    There’s no real method to their madness, all decisions are based on a whim after a cursory glance at your ESA85 report the DWP get from ATOS.
    You need to ask yourself, why would a penpusher with no medical experience be asking for and then be looking at your medical evidence ?.
    Right…you can see it’s a sham, imagine going to court and the lawyer said to the ATOS Doctor ‘And who made this life and death decision to deprive my client of money ?, and based on what evidence ?’

    Well it was her/him the DWP penpusher, they ask the claimant for the evidence and then make the decision on what they see written there…Hey it’s nothing to do with me, I’m just the Doctor at ATOS.

    So you are telling me that a person who couldn’t tell the difference between a slice of liver and a slice of kidney is deciding whether my client gets the necessary money that enables him to live or die ?.

    It would be laughed out of court, and makes out to be a mockery that the decision maker really makes the decision.

    So you can see there’s no reconsideration, it’s all a sham, everything is decided on what it says on the ESA85 assessment report, and it’s decided on the spot, within five minutes.

    Whether you get the decision within two weeks or six weeks or twelve weeks depends on how much work the decision maker has to get through before they get to your case file.

    The only good thing about a quick mandatory decision is that you can appeal and get the lower rate of ESA immediately.

    Hope it’s in your favour, please keep us informed.

    Regards
    Joe.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 7, 2014 @ 5:11 pm


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