Dwp examination

Questions you may be asked?

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Here are some of the questions you may be asked during your medical interrogation  ‘examination’.

Mental Health

Completion of tasks

Can he or she answer the telephone and reliably take a message?

When referring to ‘telephone’ the ‘Doctor’ will deduce you have and can operate a mobile phone, which you use for texting, chatting, making arrangements and for emergencies. the term ‘Mobile phone’ will not actually be used. That you can and do answer the phone when it rings, your motor and memory functions are normal and that you are not depressed among many other possible ‘stock answers’ he is allowed to use in his / her report. Apparently, answering yes or no to any of the questions you are asked gives the alleged ‘Doctor’ the freedom to be creative in their answer.

How do they know you have one?

How do they know you have one?

Does he or she sit for hours doing nothing?

From this question the alleged ‘Doctor’ will assume you can sit comfortably for longer than the period you have stated on your IB50, incidentally, if you stand up at regular intervals during your examination due to the discomfort you are feeling, he reports this as being able to stand for (and he times you here) for however long without discomfort. You can not win. He /she will also link this with travelling to the examination, either driving, being driven, bus etc despite the fact that you will have stopped several times during your journey due to the discomfort you were feeling during the trip. All from answering yes or no to this question?

Can he or she concentrate to read a magazine article or follow a radio or television programme?

They are still looking to trip you up here if you have said you cant sit for long periods, despite the fact that you lie in bed to read, watch TV or listen to the radio! They also deduce that you can read, which means to them you can manage your own finances, bills etc, letters, and mail in general, that your eye sight and concentration levels are excellent and in one email I received last night, that you can operate a computer without difficulty? Where on earth does it mention finances, computers or concentration in the question?

Can he or she use a telephone book or other directory to find a number?

Please note, a telephone directory can be heavier than a carton of milk, its another method of covert assessment, curiously as well as proving you can read it also includes the use of computers, management of finances, and the mobile phone again? Be careful and specific when you answer these questions yes or no can be dangerous. Personally I don’t read at all now, and have not done so for years, and when I need a number from the phone book I ask my partner to look it up as I find I usually end up straining to see the small print in the directory.

Heavier than a pint of milk?

Heavier than a pint of milk?

Does the mental condition prevent him or her from undertaking leisure activities previously enjoyed?

This one is a beauty, the alleged ‘Doctor’ is trying to trip you up again. If you say you are suffering from depression and yet still follow your local football team then this proves you are not depressed. If you say you sometimes get to the allotment to see to your pigeons, then you are fit enough to travel to work. These questions are geared to prove everything you have entered on your IB50 form is false and can be medically debunked by your own answer. I don’t know about you, but my disability  prevents me from pursuing any of my previous hobbies, full stop.

Does he or she overlook or forget the risks posed by domestic appliances or other common hazards due to poor concentration?

This question disproves the following question (before you even answer it!) relating to serious accidents or to whether or not you can cook for yourself, from your answer the alleged ‘Doctor’ will deduce that you have not had any ‘serious’ accidents lately (I wonder if this includes slips, trips or falls?) you can use a computer? you can drive without difficulty? have excellent concentration skills? can use a mobile phone, deal with you finances, correspondence, can read and write, do your own shopping?

Has agitation, confusion or forgetfulness resulted in any potentially dangerous accidents in the last 3 months?

From your answer the alleged ‘Doctor’ will deduce that you have not had any ‘serious’ accidents lately including slips, trips or falls? you can use a computer? you can drive without difficulty? have excellent concentration skills? can use a mobile phone, computer, deal with you finances, correspondence, can read and write, do your own shopping? you have an excellent memory, your coordination and orientation are normal and you were not confused, agitated or forgetful during the ‘examination’?

Can his or her concentration only be sustained by prompting?

Again, this question is linked to the previous questions and is asked this far in to prove your concentration is good enough to continue answering questions under pressure? So anything you have said relating to poor concentration in your IB50 is immediately called into question?From this and previous answers the alleged ‘Doctor’ will deduce that you can (yes you guessed it) use a computer? you can drive without difficulty? have excellent concentration skills? can use a mobile phone, deal with you finances, correspondence, can read and write, do your own shopping? you have an excellent memory, your coordination and orientation are normal and you were not confused, agitated or forgetful during the ‘examination’?

Daily living

Does he or she need encouragement to get up and dress?

Your Healthcare professional will comment that you have no difficulty getting in and out of bed and can dress yourself without difficulty. This means anything you have said relating to pain when moving is immediately called into question. This also means you are not depressed, can cope easily with everyday functions and can climb stairs curiously enough?

Does he or she need alcohol before midday?

This is to prove you have or do not have a drink /alcohol problem. Notice the use of the word NEED in the question. Everyone (including alcoholics) will rarely admit to NEEDING alcohol at all? Therefore, if you are in the unfortunate position of being an alcoholic, your own pride prevents you from answering honestly. Sad isn’t it?

Do you really NEED this?

Do you really NEED this?

Is he or she frequently distressed at some time of the day due to fluctuation of mood?

This question relates to mood swings, sudden changes in temperament. Your alleged ‘Doctor’ will say you did not suffer a mood swing during your examination which means you are not depressed, stressed, or suffer mood swings. Are we to assume then, as long as he /she does not witness you having a mood swing they can say you do not have them?

Does he or she care about his or her appearance and living conditions?

If you are relatively well dressed and appear to be clean during the examination the alleged ‘Doctor’ will deduce that you are capable of dressing appropriately, caring for your self, have good living conditions, are not depressed, stressed and have good coordination. This is despite the fact you may have had help in washing, dressing and that your family or friends help you look after yourself and your home?

Do sleep problems interfere with his or her daytime activities?

Be careful when answering this question! as from your answer the alleged ‘Doctor’ will decide if you have sleep problems which affect your concentration, which in turn may debunk any answers given to previous questions relating to concentration. I refer you to questions 3, 6,7 and 8 previously asked in the Mental Health section.

Coping with pressure

Was mental stress a factor in making him or her stop work?

This question is used to debunk any information you put on your IB50 relating to stress as being the main reason or contributory reason you stopped working. The ‘Healthcare professional’ should say so here, if the main reason was anything else, this should also appear here. I.E. The main reason for leaving work was mental stress, physical health, depression etc.

Does he or she frequently feel scared or panicky for no obvious reason?

Unless you actually have a panic attack during your ‘examination’ the alleged ‘Doctor’ is at liberty to assume you do not have panic attacks and therefore anything you have entered onto your IB50 is utter lies. The usual comment is; Does not experience panic attacks,  Appeared relaxed, Not anxious on examination

Panic attack

Panic attack

Does he or she avoid carrying out routine activities because he or she is convinced they will prove too tiring or stressful?

This question has already been asked in the mental health section and I refer you to question 5. The alleged ‘Doctor’ will deduce the following from your answer. You have and can operate a mobile phone, which you use for texting, chatting, making arrangements and for emergencies. Can drive a car without significant difficulty, can deal with your own finances and correspondence effectively and are able to make long journeys without significant difficulty?

Is he or she able to cope with changes in daily routine?

This answer to this question has already been gleaned from the previous questions asked. Take a look at the questions in the two previous sections and tell me I am wrong, The alleged ‘Doctor’ arrived at the following opinion from my answers. Had an appropriate level of concern because of coming here today, normal concentration on examination, not anxious on examination, does not suffer panic attacks and oddly, has a mobile phone, which you use for texting, chatting, making arrangements and for emergencies.

Does he or she frequently find that there are so many things to do that he or she gives up because of fatigue, apathy or disinterest?

Its interesting to note that the answer to this question appeared to have already been gleaned from section 1 questions 1,3,4,5,6 and 7. Section 2 questions1,3 and 4. Section 3 Questions 1,2,3 and 4. You can see this clearly from the alleged ‘Doctors’ answers this question. Dont forget the question about your past hobbies in particular?

Is he or she scared or anxious that work would bring back or worsen their illness?

As with every one of the previous questions, when I was asked this question it was worded differently, the alleged ‘Doctor’ asked;  “What would you do if “they” offered you a job now?”. I gave a positive answer by saying I was eager to return to work once I recovered from my ailment. The alleged ‘Doctor’ inserted the following stock answer. Feels very negative about being able to cope with work?  What planet are these people on? What on earth will the decision maker conclude from that? Worse still, how can I defend this if I need to? The mind boggles.

Interaction with other people

Can he or she look after himself or herself without help from others?

Beware?You have already been asked this question in sections one and two, from this question your alleged ‘Doctor’ will deduce that you have a mobile phone and use it for texting, chatting, making arrangements and emergencies, can deal with your own finances and correspondence without difficulty, can use a computer and have normal intellectual functioning?

Does he or she get so upset by ordinary events that it results in disruptive behavioural problems?

Caution! this has already been assessed in question 3, Daily living section.

Easily upset?

Easily upset?

Do mental problems impair his or her ability to communicate with other people?

Already assessed in question 1 section 1.Curiously, the alleged ‘Doctor’ deduced the following; Yes you guessed it, has a mobile phone and use it for texting, chatting, making arrangements and emergencies, Behaved normally, normal rapport?

Does he or she get irritated by things that would not have bothered him or her before becoming ill?

Beware! this has already been assessed at section 1 question 5, section 2 question 3 and section 3 question 3. The alleged ‘Doctor’ will comment on your present state of agitation, i.e Had a clam nature, He or she appeared agitated.

Does he or she prefer to sit alone six or more hours a day?

It didn’t seem to matter when I told the alleged ‘Doctor’ that I regularly spend long periods of time alone as my partner works alternating shifts, the stock answers entered were. Sees family every day, Behaved normally, not depressed on examination?

Is he or she too frightened to go out alone?

I was asked How I got to the examination centre? was I accompanied? did I drive there myself?  The answers I gave to these questions (which were entirely supplementary, and not part of the official list of questions I have reproduced here) did not appear on my medical report, neither did I understand their significance until I saw the medical report. The stock answers included; Goes out alone, Does not experience panic attacks, Not anxious on examination, can drive a car without significant difficulty, Appeared relaxed, Able to make Long journeys without significant difficulty.

As you can see, it would be easy for anyone (let alone allegedly qualified and registered medical practitioners) to carry out one of these so called medical examinations. Which in the words of the DWP “Is different from a normal medical examination- it is not to diagnose or discuss treatment of your medical condition”. It is there to prove you do not have a medical condition It would also be just as easy for someone to abuse the system and either deliberately try to produce a report which would be sufficiently damming enough for the decision maker to stop payment of your benefits. Or equally to accept a bribe in return for a report which guarantees the decision maker would continue or increase your benefits. Please note; I am not suggesting for one minute that this has ever happened, simply, that it is possible.

I hope this helps to bring these people to book over the way we are being treated just because we made a legitimate claim to benefits we have paid for in advance. Like you, dear readers I want to see the thieving scum who cheat the benefits system prosecuted, but why should we all be treated as potential benefit fraudsters, forced into taking a ‘medical’ which is solely designed to make us look like we are not telling the truth?

I’ll be back

903 Comments »

  1. Wow, interesting but disturbing reading here. I feel the need to respond, as I’ve been called in for my ATOS ORIGIN (surely a name George Orwell came up with?) assessment this week. I suffer from severe mental breakdown and depression which leaves me useless for days/weeks. In six months I have seen four doctors, who have signed me off work, prescribed me medication and sent me off for counselling (I stopped after she asked me to draw pictures of how I was feeling). Clearly the DWP are now out to get me and I am going to lose my benefits. At least now, thanks to your site, I can go pre-armed for their loaded questions.

    This reminds me of the sort of langauge process Socio-Psychologists have studied for years, the type of language structure used in Soviet-style Brainwashing -Popular in Neuro-Linguistic-Programming and the like…It’s everywhere in our culture and, sadly, on the increase.

    As genuinely ill members of the public, we should not have to go through this sort of abuse, especially from those who are there to help us. It is very sad. Thank you. Good and informative website.

    Comment by Mike — March 21, 2009 @ 12:15 am

  2. Thanks for the comment. I too am interested in the techniques they use against disabled people. I am sure they would use more, shall we say “persuasive techniques” if they could. Please read my comparison on the DWP/SS, the simalarities are startling. These are as I have said some of the most Narcisistic people on the planet and are paid to achieve targets, you and I are the victims here. In the event they do stop your benefits do what I am doing and take it to the very limit i.e. to a tribunal. Win or lose I will be publishing the results of mine here and will publish my appeal letter if it helps. Take your time or get help in writing it, demand a copy of your medical report the day after it is completed and challenge every negative item on the alleged Doctors medical report. There are 3 million + disabled claimants in the UK, ATOS have targets to achieve which are set by our present Government, you and I are nothing more than statistics to these people regardless of our disability. Maybe its time we formed a group and paid a lawyer to act on our behalf to change the system. It may seem a crazy idea, but if 3 million disabled voters turned on the Government and voted for anyone but them at local and national elections they would be out of a job! I urge all disabled people to complain profusely to thier local MP too, tell them they are about to lose votes and they will jump (only because they a crapping themselves at the thought of losing thier cash cow I hasten to add). Also, be aware, it may take a month or so to stop your benefits, this is just another techniques they use to demonstrate thier power over you. If this happens they will request you make repayments, challenge it, raise the matter at the first opportunity during your back to work review with the smiling assassin. Above all, prepare for the “examination” beware of thier traps and demand to be heard. Remember the fool ‘examining’ you knows nothing of your medical history and will make assumptions if your answers are short, They do not know you as well as your own GP and have no idea how bad your condition affects you so you must tell them, psychologically they know you just want to be out of there as quickly as possible, but try to avoid panic, think before you speak and dont be rushed. Remember you are entitled to have someone with you during the examination and to take notes.

    Good luck and take care

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 21, 2009 @ 10:47 am

  3. In the Incapacity Benefit Handbook for Approved Doctors

    MED-S2/IBHB
    Version: 3 Final
    3 June 2004

    It states.

    “In another example, in the area of Interaction with Other People: “Do mental problems impair his or her ability to communicate with other people?” (Question OP(c)): If the answer is `NO’, the comment might be:

    “He shops for himself, uses public transport and answered questions well at the interview today.”

    If the answer is `Yes’, the justification could be:

    “She has moderate learning difficulties. Speech somewhat retarded. Poorly developed social skills. Father answered most of the questions for her

    From that its pretty obvious how cray the process is.

    The entire range of mental health problems, and individual circumstances of peoples health are thrown out of the window in favour of if you can go shopping now and again, use public transport and answer questions at that moment in time.

    No consideration of the fact there could be other problems causing you to pass that descriptor, or the fact conditions can fluctuate, you may only go shopping once in a while, rarely use public transport etc etc.

    They neeed to ask questions to find out more, instead of making assumptions, which quite frankly in my opinion is a breach of good medical ethics, and should be reported to the General medical council (doctors) or nursing and midwifery council (if a nurse).

    Comment by anonymous — June 30, 2009 @ 9:42 pm

  4. Agreed, it is quite obvious that ATOS take the view that as each individual has to be asked the same questions, there should also be a set of standard answers. I suppose the anaology is when you write to an M.P. to complain or to seek clarification, you will no doubt be sent a standard letter in reply. This allows the M.P. to dedicate time to his personal expense claim, second, or in many cases third and fourth jobs leaving the minimum of lowly paid work like working for thier constituants untill last. ATOS therefore need to make the same decision and allow thier alleged Doctors to insert inappropriate answers, assumptions and lies, and they commit the bear minimum to paper (less is best in case they are caught). This in turn allows them to move onto the next cash cow oops claimant thus dedicating the majority of thier time to thier own personal gain.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 1, 2009 @ 7:35 am

  5. just got turned down again.a doctor was falling asleep at the appeal.it was in wolverhampton.a question i was asked was. if there was an empty cardboard box in front of you would you be able to pick it up?.i had to ask wether its on the table or the floor?and said i would if i was sitting down.(bearing in mind i was on a stick).AND HAVE SEVERE INJURIES TO MY LEFT ARM.The ‘judge’on entering said oh youre on a stick. i thought no surprise there as when i was at atos healthcare i was on crutches.they seemed to be at great pains to see if i could walk,and how was my driving?i got my injuries from a car accident.and it is plain to see that these people are not doctors or judges.they are here to rubber stamp a decision already made.these people are terribly ignorant and pass secret notes between themselves.and then state they are not questioning your integrety,when it is quite obvious that this is exactly what they are up to.

    Comment by bill — February 1, 2010 @ 2:15 am

  6. What on earth are they thinking about? a cardboard box indeed I cant believe you were asked that at a tribunal. Can you imagine that on your CV when applying for work? I’m sure being capable of lifting an empty cardboard box is an invaluable indicator as to your physical ability to an employer in todays competitive job market. What planet are these idiots on eh? This is part of the problem with the academic processes applied to this issue by ATOS. The whole process, particularly the questions, the ambiguous way they are written and asked, and the multiple choice answers the pretend “Doctors” have to choose from needs to be addressed and changed at the earliest possible opportunity. Under the present system almost everyone coming into contact with the joke “Doctors” at ATOS “examinations” can and will be passed as fit for work. Surely there are human rights issues here? and what about Health & Safety? We need to get organised here and challenge the Government on this issue.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 1, 2010 @ 9:21 am

  7. I’ve been claiming Incapacity Benefit as I have severe depression and social anxiety. My money was stopped following a medical with Atos, so I appealed and had to go to a tribunal. I was asked by the doctor at the tribunal what would happen if I had a burst pipe at home, as I had already explained I was anxious about using telephones and I didn’t have a phone at home. I told him I would turn off the stop tap and get my dad to sort it, and I won the appeal.
    Now after 12 months I’ve just received another IB50 to fill in. My anxiety has not got any better, if anything it is getting worse every year. If the benefits people would ask my own doctor about my condition, it would save a lot of time and money.

    Comment by L — March 28, 2010 @ 7:45 am

  8. They dont believe anyone, including your G.P. Thier excuse is they need to assess you themselves. All I can suggest is you return the compliment and assess thier performance, there is a form on the assessing ATOS page. Use it at your next medical as an aid to your memory of the experience. I am going to send mune to a few folks including the HSE and Fire Service, afterall, they dont seem to care what state thier premises are in. Best bet is to be truthful, Provide every bit of evidence you can in support of your case, be accompanied during the “examination”, get your companion to take notes and if the “Doctor” objects tell him he cant. Dont forget to ask the “Doctor” if you can go through his answers to check for any inconsistancies. Lets make them sick of going to work, male htem dread every client they see, that way it can only help us, afterall they try to raise our stress levels…Oh and if they do stop your benefits go to the tribunal armed with every bit of evidence to support your case that you can muster.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 28, 2010 @ 8:09 am

  9. Hi

    I have had my ‘Medical’ Today my 1st one and I am very Panic Stricken now as it was all over in 10 minutes and all he did was ask me 3 seperate questions but about 10 times each, ‘Are you on Medication’ then ‘Do you do your own Shopping’ then ‘Can you walk up stairs’ thats all he did then went back to the first question. Did he not understand what I told him or was he just expecting me to change my answer or something, I am very confused by all this. Has anyone got any advice as I don’t know what to do. Thanks in advance.

    Comment by InAPanic — May 15, 2010 @ 9:11 pm

  10. Wait untill you get the medical report before you start panicing, you can get a copy from you rlocal Jobcentre. Give them a ring and ask them to send you a copy, they cant refuse though they will try to fob you off with excuses as to why theuy cant send you one. Bear in mind the reporst are sent via email the same day as your medical. See my answer to Sick of it all on the ATOS medical assessment page. Good luck and keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 16, 2010 @ 8:00 am

  11. The problem with any question if you have a poor memory is that you may not remember what you said less than a minute ago,and if they are going to word it differently later on the person with poor memory has no chance. To me the questions are designed to get people with hidden mental conditions on to JSA where they will remain until someone can get the better of whoever is doing the medical assessments or they reach the age where they can retire. Is this what David Cameron meant by getting over 1 million off ESA & DLA?

    Comment by Dean — May 17, 2010 @ 2:02 pm

  12. I think all of the questions are carefully designed to mislead any claimant, whether they have poor memories or not. Its quite clear when you look at them.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 18, 2010 @ 7:10 am

  13. Hi

    Thanks for all the replies, I got my inevitable letter today 6 Points!!!!!

    I am appealing but I also want to take Legal action for Slander/Libel as the ‘report’ states I can and can’t do things, but how would they know as they never even asked me any of these Questions, as I said they only asked me 3 Questions 10 times each that is is, so I am even more confused now and really don’t need this stress.

    Comment by InAPanic — May 28, 2010 @ 1:02 pm

  14. Hi

    Sorry I forgot to mention that the 6 Points I got were for something they never even asked me about either.

    Comment by InAPanic — May 28, 2010 @ 1:02 pm

  15. Proving they make it up as they go!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 29, 2010 @ 7:59 am

  16. No surprises there then eh? These liars ned to be exposed, I saw the programme broadcast on BBC Scotland last week called “Who’s cheating who” they gave ATOS and the DWP a right good hiding. We need more balanced investigative journalism like this to show how we are being treatd. Its available on the BBC Scotland web site and you should be able to watch the entire episode on your computer.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 29, 2010 @ 8:02 am

  17. hi just been assessed scored 3 been on ic ten years waiting for a quad bypass
    plus been dia with p t stress. as you say i was asked three question 10x by a inpatiant doctor who puts you under pressure to answere quickly and moves on to the next question befor you have finished answering the last one got ib65 stock reply when i total up my score as i thourght i had answered my question’s i scored 17, a lot of question on the IB65 FORM WHERE NOT ASKED DIRECTly AT THE INTERVIEW MEDICAL/NOT’A MEDICAL. they made up ther own answers
    i am appealing’ in the mean time told to calaim eas or income support
    CONCULSION. go in pissed fall about lose your temper shout tell a load of lies and bingo score max points

    Comment by peter — June 10, 2010 @ 7:41 am

  18. Hi

    I got my ‘Report’ in the Post Today and it was completed in 13 Minutes. Anyway it is incosistent with the letter they sent me with the Points. Also it claims to have done 24 ‘Activities’ which I don’t recall doing at the ‘Medical’. They seem to have assesed a lot in 13 Minutes according to this joke of a ‘Report’. I don’t know what to do anymore.

    Comment by InAPanic — June 15, 2010 @ 1:09 am

  19. Challenge it, call your local JC+ ask for a GL24, contact the Local Authority Welfare Rights Officer or the Local CAB and arrange an appointment, work with the first one to see you. Also keep records of any conversations you have with DWP or ATOS staff on the telephone or by letter. They hate it when you ask them to speak slowly because you are taking notes. This will help if you need to go to tribunal. Good luck and keep us posted.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 15, 2010 @ 7:58 am

  20. I have had an atos medical today, and this guy has tripped me up no end. I suffer from anxiety and depression and realised that after I left, the answers I gave on my IB50 were different to the way I answered them. His questions were quickfire giving me no real time to answer. At the end of the medical I broked down in tears and he looked at me as if he couldnt care less – looked at me like a benefit fraudster. There were some questions I really didnt get, have you been violent to your partner? Yes verbally abuse without meaning to? Are you in trouble with the POLICE?? I am not in police trouble, but what does that have to do it with? Also seemed obsessed repeating 3 times that I had been on a bus and been on it 30 minutes. Loads of other pointless questions – Looking at what other people have wrote, looks like I will be making an appeal soon.

    Comment by Jon Goddard — July 23, 2010 @ 5:28 pm

  21. Its the usual psychological bullying and searching for justification of a low score. Why not visit our new forum at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ there are loads of other people in a similar situation with a wealth of information who you can discuss these matters with.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 24, 2010 @ 11:48 am

  22. As an ESA veteran I can tell you now in all honesty the ESA WCA could be done without the claimant being in attendance.Don’t be stupid you say,well feature this…………
    The Atos HCP can alter your answers to whatever they want!!!!!YOU therefore are not needed.
    The Atos HCP makes statements re.physical examinations they do not do………YOU therefore are not needed
    The Atos HCP can and does put information into the report that does not appear to refer to you at all
    The Atos HCP is answerable to no one
    The Tribunal may find for you but will make no sanction on Atos or the HCP
    The problem everyone has, including me,They do not research the ESA WCA on the web until they experience the medical and find they have 0 points.
    For anyone reading this prior to filling in the ESA50 form.Atos will use dubious means to fail you,I am not advising you to lie but you MUST maximise your condition
    1)Google ESA Descriptors and print off a copy. Your answers should include the wording used in the descriptors
    1a) Fill in the form fully, every question.You must state your worst day condition.Do not leave a question answer box empty repeat the previous answer if neccessary.
    2)Fill in the anything you wish to add page fully you must make the form take 10 mins to be read.
    3)Make a copy of the form
    4)After sending in the form study your copy until you know it off by heart
    5)Go to the medical without being afraid,be aware they will try to trip you up.
    6)Decline to do any physical activities you do not wish to do with the words “I am sorry it is likely to cause me pain and discomfort”
    7)Only give answers which you have put on the ESA50 form do not be swayed,do not make any unneccessary comments
    8) Do not be taken in by the HCP seeming nice and reasonable you will find out why when you see the copy of the medical report.
    9)Expect to fail don’t be upset you are one of many,appeal at once ask for a copy of medical report and a copy of ESA50 this just makes them know you are serious.
    10)Study the medical report for faults,contradictions or errors you can use these in your appeal but your appeal must show the Tribunal which descriptors you feel you should be awarded points and why.
    11)Finally be patient good luck

    Comment by anon — August 1, 2010 @ 7:57 pm

  23. How does being able to use a computer or not make any difference to one’s incapacity claim?

    Comment by nobeard — August 5, 2010 @ 7:33 pm

  24. It means you are mentally capable, not depressed and able to sit at a desk and operate a computer, thus strengthening thier position when they say you are fit for work. We all agree statements like this ne are irrelevent, however, it gves the DM the opportunity to score you low.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 6, 2010 @ 2:04 am

  25. The last Labour ? Government passed their requirements for ESA results to the DWP,the DWP passed on these requirements to Atos Healthcare who implement a system which delivers these requirements.In this instance the requirements were to deny benefit to 75% of new claimants from 2008.
    If the new Coalition Government requirements are the same they will continue as is.
    If a future Government reqired more people to be allowed ESA (to reduce the unemployment figures for example)Atos Healthcare would adjust their responses to the assessment to meet the new requirements.
    Atos are only interested in the profit to be made from the system not the actual figures pass or fail.
    A pass or a fail only relies on the comments of the HCP’s if they are instructed to make comments to support a claim they will and to fail a claim they will.
    It is not rocket science to see Atos profits will be the same either way,at the moment 90% of clients are assessed that they can return to work in 3 months,the DWP can ask for a new ESA WCA every 3 months if they wish,it is no coincidence Atos could do 4 assessments per claimant every year.The name of the game for Atos is to maximise profits.
    What the public don’t seem to understand is the ESA since 2008 has only been for new claimants not long term claimants,therefore the use of terms like benefit scrounger would not apply.
    A new claimant could be anyone who falls sick this coming monday,their views on the rights and wrongs of benefits would be immaterial they will more than likely fail the ESA this is a fact.
    The only way to understand the ESA system is to go through it,the unfairness will then become plain.
    The most important thing one must do when claiming ESA is to fill in the ESA50 form fully,explain everything in depth,do not be embarassed use extra sheets of paper if required,when attending the WCA assessment give the same answers that you have put on the form no more no less,and never attend alone always take a witness.
    Atos Healthcare are not interested in your condition only in how the condition effects your ability to work.That does not mean your existing job,it means any form of work, which they don’t define.
    You must remember they are instructed to fail you ,your aim is to get 15 points,THEY are ready to cheat you out of your benefit any way they can,you must do what is neccessary to get your legal rights.
    Until there is a fair and reasonable assessment anything goes to reach 15 points.
    Your NI contributions are being taken under false pretences this is FRAUD on a massive scale.
    Come October when migration starts we will see what techniques Atos use to fail claimants who have passed previous assessments three or four times.
    The defence for ESA of helping people back to work is just smoke and mirrors I have been on ESA for 12 months with no interviews or other help whatsoever.
    The ESA system is NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE everyone knows but the Government and DWP carry on with this charade
    eventually when the mess is sorted out it may be that all assessments from 2008 have to be done again with compensation for the false failures,the costs could be massive.
    Always appeal,appeal,appeal defending the undefendable will always fail.

    Comment by anon — August 15, 2010 @ 4:06 pm

  26. I have an ATOS ‘medical’ this Saturday, i wonder if they get a higher wage for ‘working’ at weekends?

    When i was put onto IB i was sent to see a doctor regarding my condition, would that have been an ATOS doctor, do you know?
    Reason i ask is that officially i’m still waiting for him to contact me after about 5 years, since he was unable to get enough blood from me to test (my veins are damaged from 11 years of heavy intravenous drug abuse), he said he’d need me to see a specialist about it & he would be in touch asap.

    Seems like just the kind of thing i would expect from ATOS after reading so many things about them recently, i just wonder if that ‘doctor’ i saw was one of theirs, it was not at a hospital but at a large new building very near the large new building where ATOS do their pca medicals.

    Comment by nobeard — August 16, 2010 @ 1:18 pm

  27. I must have been lucky.. I filled the form in honestly and attended the ATOS medical. I’ve recently recieved a copy of the medical report. While it gives me the required 15pts I’m even more confused as it’s full of inaccuracies and blatant lies. Plus, it states I should be able to return to work in 6 months. My employer NHS, occ health department disagree and are paying me off as they have already made all reasonable adjustments.

    I told the HCP (a mental health nurse) “I visit my friend rather than sit in the house all day, I’m there for about half an hour it takes me 2 minutes to drive as I can’t walk that far”. That somehow changed to visits friend, drives 30 mins, another is goes shopping. Only she forgot to mention my friend picks me up and pushes me around the supermarket in a wheelchair.

    Also forgot to mention my daughter has to put my medication out because some days I forget I’ve taken it and take it again or miss it altogether and suffer the consequences.

    This is just three examples of the many inaccuracies. I agree there are many ppl claiming who are not entitled to it however, genuine claimants are being put through untold stress and anxiety because of this small number.

    Comment by Beth — October 5, 2010 @ 4:31 pm

  28. No one on this site or its sister forum is suggesting the form is filled in dishonestly? This information is interreted by a Decision Maker, Im surprised you got any points?

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 6, 2010 @ 6:45 am

  29. And nither did I, I was stating a fact however, having worked in DWP I do know for a fact, there are many who do lie when filling in forms.

    How dare you judge me and suggest I wasn’t entitled to the required 15 pts.

    As a disabled person I’ve worked damn hard to stay IN work dispite medical advice. I am sickened to my stomich that I’ve been FORCED to leave due to my disabilities. ATOS may well be RUBBISH but it’s because of fraudulant claims ppl with disabilities are being put through this.

    Comment by Beth — October 7, 2010 @ 11:18 am

  30. Welcome to our little community Beth. OK looks like you have taken a stance on this. First I have not “Judged” you or accused you of anything, I meerly expressed my surprise at the award! So lets look at some facts shall we, in a dignified and fair manner. ATOS Origin are a private sector company paid for from the public purse. ATOS Origin are also known to have previously used fraudulent measures to achieve targets and have been banned form practicing in America. ATOS Origin employ retired, struck off, semi qualified, Doctors from outside the UK who have little or no understanding of the English language, Physiotherapists, midwives, Auxiliary nurses and just about anyone with the vaguest of medical qualifications to achieve thier targets, because no self respecting “real” Doctor will work for them. The majority of disabled people who complete the IB50 or ESA85 form do so “Honestly” and are penalised by charlatans at ATOS and the DWP who use thier answers against them to avoid paying Benefits to which they are legally entitled. The DWP employ “Decision Makers” who have no previous medical experience, are trained by ATOS and rely upon guidance from a “Government hand book” and the corrupt decisions made by the alleged “Doctors” employed to cary out the so called personal capability assessment. This in itself is questionable at best. The Government support this corrupt organisation and allow this cherade to continue because it meets thier requirements at this time. There are no accurate figures to support fraudulent claims for DLA and Sickness Benefit except for those figures relating to those individuals who are caught and successfully prosecuted. As an ex employee of JC+ you will no doubt be aware of the above, may I suggest you read the blog, look at the “facts” the contributors have presented and then make a balanced judgement. I do not judge individuals and my reply to your comment was simply illustrating my surprise at the Decision Makers award of the magical 15 points in your particular case and nothing more. We do not condone the actions of those who do make fraudulent claims and WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM LOCKED UP FOR DOING SO, REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT THEY HAVE STOLEN. We welcome Benefit reform as long as it is done fairly and involves input from all concerned parties including Disabled Benefit claimants and support agencies like the CAB and Welfare Rights. No one here is disputing your level of disability or that you have worked hard to stay in work, remember, the majority of people here have done the same. You are welcome here and you will find nothing but support and information which you may or may not choose to make use of. As for your final statement “ATOS may well be RUBBISH but it’s because of fraudulant claims ppl with disabilities are being put through this.” is this an admission that the DWP know ATOS are a corrupt organisation! or just your own personal opinion.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 8, 2010 @ 7:12 am

  31. Once again you have judged me and my knowledge level regarding ATOS. I am well aware of methords used, also that the staff they employ would probably not get a job working in hospital wards.

    We are in fact singing the same tune when it comes to criticizing ATOS and DWP methords for reducing numbers of claimants. This system is not fit for purpose which has been clearly shown by the number of ppl with severe disabilities/health issues being deemed fit for work.

    The tests themselves ARE NOT fit for purpose, based on the fact they are based on simple everyday tasks and not tasks expected within a working environment.
    i.e. The fact I can use my computer DOES NOT mean I can sit at a workstation for 7 hours a day.
    The fact I watch TV DOES NOT mean I can concentrate on figures/stats for 7 hours a day and what has being able to a pound coin up got to do with anything (I doubt employers would be throwing coins on the floor).

    As for my statement ATOS are RUBBISH is based on personal experience, knowledge of the system and how it works including the computer programme and talking to former workmates.

    I maintain my stance “it’s because of all the fraudulant claims disabled ppl are having to go through this process” however, some years ago I remember JCP staff advising/encouraging ppl to claim IB in order to keep unemployment figures down. Therefore the problem lies purely at the doorstep of governments who wanted figures/stats to show their policies were beating unemployment.

    Comment by Beth — October 8, 2010 @ 7:46 am

  32. Hello again Beth, No I didnt judge you, neither will I ever judge anyone. I actually agree with what you are saying in principle so I dont realy understand why you are giving me a hard time. You have actually bolstered what I and all of the other contributors to this blog and our sister forum for months. I applaud your “outing” of the old “you look ill, why dont you go on the sick” ploy the JC used in the Thatcher years, I thought I was the only one it was actually said to untill my mate Jimmy told me about it years later. I agree and have stated the test is not fot for purpose and does not meeet the demands of employers and welcome your confirmation that some JC+staff believe the same. I also concede that there are a small number of fraudulent claimants out there who are raking it in hand over fist. I also said if you recall that I would like to see them imprisoned as a matter of course. That leaves us with your final statement the the problem lies purely at the doorstep of governments who wanted figures/stats to show their policies were beating unemployment. I agree there too, so why beat me up, to all intents and purposes it looks like we are on the same hymn sheet when it comes to Disabled folk getting a bad deal and the fraudsters who rob the system making life hell for genuine claimants? Correct me if I am wrong but where on earth have I offended you?

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 8, 2010 @ 5:45 pm

  33. dwpexamination
    You havn’t offended me, I simply felt you had made an assumption based on a few lines of text. There was no need to issue a long statement of facts re: ATOS.

    We ARE singing from the same hymm sheet, so we can agree to disagree on a few very minor details.

    I also believe (and this is my feeling based on my knowledge working for DWP) call centre staff and decision makers, are fed up having ppl complain to them, instead of their MP’s, making formal complaint against DWP and ATOS or organising formal campaigns to challange the legality of a computer and inexperienced health advisors making assessments of incapacity based on minor everyday tasks.

    Also for the record I live in an area of high unemployment, many ppl saw IB (including JCP staff) as a way out of signing each week and being included in unemployment figures. These ppl remained on IB for many years. It’s these ppl I blame for me and other ppl with genuine need, having to jump through hoops to get the miserly sum £65 per week to live on.

    Comment by Beth — October 8, 2010 @ 6:03 pm

  34. Lets agree to disagree then, in the interests of making progress. I also think very soon we may all be living in areas of high unemployment especially if the alleged cuts in public the public sector materialise. I am sure there will be a few who decide to claim ESA especially if thier redundancy payments mean they cant claim JSA. This will cause further problems and the circle continues. I began this blog just over a year ago to fight back, part of that process involves organising people and providing as much information as possible, which in turn will allow them to follow JC+procedures in appealing bad decisions successfully. I do not condone fraud and actively campeign against it, welcoming Benefit reform in the process. Any such reform should include those in receipt of Benefits, the organisations which offer support to Benefit claimants and social services to name a few. I agree there is a minority who make life difficult for those, like you and I who are in genuine need. I also agree the need to be flushed out of the system, but equally argue that there are better ways than tarring everyone with the same brush. This leads to unnecessary stress and financial hardship, which can take months to sort out and in some cases cause people to lose thier homes.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 8, 2010 @ 11:53 pm

  35. Once again I agree, DWP is almost at breaking point due to this fiasco.

    Reform must start at the beginning with doctors who, sign repeat sick notes for ppl claiming a minor illnesses. Hopefully the new fit notes with an area for doctors to recommend addaptions within the workplace or light duties, could be a start. While some jobs you can continue doing with mild illnesses or mild pain there are others which CANNOT be continued and I feel this is for a GP to decide not inexperianced ATOS HCP.

    I cannot see genuine ppl objecting to a medical after a period of time claiming sickness benefits, however, this should be with your GP/consultant or someone within the health profession who knows you well enough to comment, and, based on the real world working environment. If there is clear disability and/or diagnosed long term health issues no medical should be necassary. In my experience working with DWP and National disability organisations the majority of disabled ppl would gladly go to work (if only they could). I remember carrying out home visits and some ppl who claimed to be disabled were a lot better off (physically/mentally) than me, and I was working full time.

    I watched the programme on BBC Scotland too, I agree there needs to be more investigative journalism to expose the problems within the current system. Although, there has been so much criticizim of DWP/ATOS ppl within power are already asking questions. Unfortunately the MP’s have conveniently forgot it was them who encouraged this is the first place.

    Maybe we should all be writing to local news programers/daily press and disability organisations to more effectively highlight the genuine cases of ppl being denied benefit. Get this on the daily news regularly and it WILL be shown to be discriminating against ppl with genuine need in favor of DWP, government will have to take note. I’m sure that, if there was a test case in the courts government/DWP/ATOS would be found guilty under the DDA of discrimination and failing in their duty of care.

    Comment by Beth — October 9, 2010 @ 6:55 am

  36. Do you also advise ppl to write to ATOS regarding their medical to find out if;
    The HCP is registered with GMC or on the Nursing register, and,
    is qualifyed, has specialist knowledge of their condition to decide on face to face medical and carryout physical/mental health examinations? As any decent Dr/nurse without specialist knowledge of the condition is not fit to comment, ppl CAN win appeals just on that fact.

    Comment by Beth — October 9, 2010 @ 7:12 am

  37. Yes i agree, lets get down to the roots of the corruption, and we can start with Professor Aylward, who represents UNUM and also reresents ATOS healthcare, UNUM a private American insurance company were kicked out of the California for fabricating medical reports with the intention of denying legitimate claimants their legal rights to health claims,UNUM is now banned from most states.

    So denied the chance to exploit people and make a huge profit over there, they brought their slimy practices over here (Overpaid, overcorrupt, and over here) through ATOS healthcare.
    Professor Aylward and his sidekick Dame Carol Black, yes the same Carol Black who dreamed up the sick note nonsense, decided to conspire with the previous Government (New Liebore) in denying disabled and sick people their legal right to benefit.

    Not by introducing a fair system to weed out the scroungers as they call them, but by introducing the same corrupt American system to deny almost anyone benefit, even a head on a cushion and rolled in on a trolly would find it difficult to pass an ATOS test.

    So as i said lets start with the above pair of parasites, then we can move on to the next scrounger James Purnell, another parasite and expenses dodger by the way, then on to the next money making parasite, David Blunkett who just loves making a fortune through action without work (its not what you cant do, but can do) who needs a couple of underpaid flunkeys to get him out his bed and washed in the morning (I wonder why the media don’t tell the public about that) and Danny Alexander another do as i say not as i do politician, who knows all about ATOS corruption, but has been persuaded to say nothing, with promotion and a wage rise as a reward, then WHEN they are all dealt with amongst others.

    We can then move on to the corrupt so called HCPs who work for ATOS health-uncare as well as the corrupt Decision Makers who with the permission of the last Government and the present Government have conspired with ATOS, trained with ATOS got their bums patted by ATOS, and lapped up everything ATOS were/are doing
    to disabled people.

    The decision makers know fine well the majority of the medical reports streaming in every day are fabricated and bogus medical reports.
    But not one of them, not even one is prepared to stand up and say NO this is unfair, this is corruption and im not going along with it, I’m going to do the right thing I’m going to expose this farce, no they have all decided to take part in the corruption, and so they must all fall, and no exceptions, THE WHOLE LOT.

    Then and only then, we can start with a new fair system, where honesty is valued, where medical reports are truthful, where people get a decent wage, where parasitic apostates like John Prescott aren’t made Lords (not for services to the country, but for what he knows about the corruption in the country) where the Tony Blairs of the world cannot be allowed to lie to the people, start wars, then traipse around the world making a fortune.

    Yes i agree, lets reform and start from the roots and work our way up, or work our way down, whatever way you want to look at it !!

    Comment by David — October 9, 2010 @ 10:33 am

  38. It’s this sort of rant and personal attack that makes it harder for us, we have to stay objective and state discrepancies based on fact which, highlight the failings within the benefits system and not get personal. I’m well aware it’s an emotive subject for many and we can’t help get personal sometimes however, we do ourselves no favours in doing so.

    Remember even DWP/JCP staff are also losing their jobs which means, even heavier workloads and greater pressures placed on the remaining staff, with many ending up on sick leave themselves thus creating increased delays in processing claims.

    Personally I’d like to see organised campaigns up and down the country with marches on parlament by ppl in their wheelchairs with oxigen cylinders hooked on the back and an online petition. I’m sure it would achieve great numbers in a matter of day.

    Comment by Beth — October 9, 2010 @ 10:52 am

  39. Listen up, WE thats thousands of us, at least since OCT 2008 have stayed objective and stated discrepencies based on fact, and highlighted the failings in the benefits system, do you see that, read the above, nearly two years, and getting nowhere fast, battling these people long before you got on the scene, if you want to reinvent the wheel then on you go.

    But that doesn’t detract from the fact that ATOS are corrupt, the politicians and decision makers that conspired with them are corrupt, if you want to live in denial thats up to you ok.

    I choose to live in the real world, not the jackanory world you are living in, we have tried your way, we have sent in thousands upon thousands of e-mails, thousands of complaints to ATOS/DWP and everything is getting swept under the carpet, false and fabricated medical reports are looked upon as normal now, because we tried it YOUR WAY, well let me tell you, YOUR WAY isn’t good enough.

    You talk about online petitions, well i know at least three, with thousands of comments exposing ATOS/DWP corruption, and guess what they are being ignored, the powers that be are hoping we will go away, well we are not going to go away, we are going to keep exposing ATOS/DWP corruption, and if that means personal attacks on corrupt politicians and their flunkeys then so be it.

    You say many DWP staff are ending up on sick leave, well there’s an old saying ”It’s an ill wind that doesn’t blow some good) so when they go on sick leave and get their little so called medical ATOS test, then if they dont already know how devious and corrupt ATOS are well they will find out the truth in the real world, and perhaps even join us in our battle.

    This might be some kind of game to you and your ex collegues, but i can assure you it’s deadly serious to us, as i said, your way is the old way, has been tried, and is no longer relevant.

    Time to make way for the new way, and thats a direct exposure of this endemic corruption, and that means straight forward talking, that means a direct confrontation with the Danny Alexanders of our world, in full view of the media, asking him straight out, why haven’t you done anything about ATOS corruption Danny ? thats the way forward.

    If you think it will help by organising a march on Westminster then your welcome to try, but dont just march down there and wave a few banners, because i can assure you, without any doubt whatsoever you will be ignored, it wont even make the six o clock news, but i can tell you what will make the six o clock news, a direct cofrontation with Iain Duncan Smith in full view of every camera ” I am accusing you of conspiring with ATOS corruption Sir, i believe you and Danny Alexander not only know about ATOS corruption you are guilty of aiding and abetting in the corruption” thats the way forward, that will be on the six o clock news alright.

    Funny how it’s always a rant when folks disagree with what you say, but bravo, succint, and go on give it to them boy when they do agree..!!

    Anyway i have to sign of now because i have a life to lead, so good luck with the organised march, please let me know how you got on..!!

    Comment by David — October 9, 2010 @ 12:34 pm

  40. Like I’ve said RANTING and PERSONAL attacks get you no-where fast (2 yrs of shouting, wheres it got you? no-where) Making judgements about ppl in the same boat also makes you look like a small minded bigot.

    Just for the record I do live in the real world (30yr disabilty and working) mainly providing benefits advice to genuine claimants which, is not easy at the best of times. Currently, while trying to remain objective, collecting evidence against a poor, discriminatry system.
    Blogs and discussions online is somewhere for ppl to vent/sound off it’s not getting publicity, the only thing that will is being organised and getting ppl that matter on side instead of having a go at them.

    Comment by Beth — October 9, 2010 @ 12:52 pm

  41. Two years of shouting alone, thats because there’s not enough people like me doing the shouting, and to many limp wristed people like you that cant face up to the reality of the situation.

    Now read the above comments 37 and 39 absorb what it says and go figure.

    I will end my correspondence with one last comment, i’m just glad you haven’t advised me on benefits and entitlements, you dont sound like a person that can see other peoples point of view, thats because nobody can tell you anything Beth seeing that you know it all, you dont even sound like a person i can be bothered listening to.

    Goodbye, and as i said good luck with the march to westminster that you certainly are not going to organise..!!

    (PS) You keep going on about rants an personal attacks Beth, sounds a bit like yourself..!!

    CHEERS and glad to see you got 15 points.

    Comment by David — October 9, 2010 @ 1:50 pm

  42. 2 yrs of shouting ALONE.. and your rant speaks volumes. Maybe it’s because I see both sides of the argument and worked within the system and LAW which is what got me and others 15+ points required to continue claiming ESA.

    I CHOOSE to support disabled ppl who have failed and continue to fight for a fair and just system.

    Goodbye to you and good luck with your claim!

    Comment by Beth — October 9, 2010 @ 2:39 pm

  43. Anybody know what best to do about a ‘registered medical practitioner’ fabricating medical evidence to support stopping benefit?
    The most frequently cited piece of ‘evidence’ in the IB85 is “Able to complete five rounds of ‘serial sevens’ (tests memory, concentration and thinking)”, but at the PCA i was asked “subtract 7 from 100″, “subtract 7 from 93″, “subtract 7 from 86″, “subtract 7 from 79″, “subtract 7 from 72″.. (5 separate questions) this is not a ‘serial sevens’ test at all, i was alone at medical but i have this recorded on a digital voice recorder.

    Comment by nobeard — October 11, 2010 @ 8:08 pm

  44. It seems to me that this is the way to go.
    At the examination-
    1)Take someone with you with a vidio camera and tell them you will be recording the exam.
    2) Ask them before they start what qualifications do they have and can you see an I.D.
    3) If they are not a doctor (or a specialist nurse in your field of disability)ask them if you can make another appointment when they have someone qualified to assess you correctly.
    If we all do this then they will be reluctant to cheat us.

    Comment by debbie — October 12, 2010 @ 2:03 am

  45. If you read some of the horror stories on the blog and the forum you will see there is suffucuent information to suggest that video recording is not a valid option.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 12, 2010 @ 6:41 am

  46. Is it possible you could give a little more infrmation please? ie have your benefits been suspended, do you have a coopy of the Doctors report etc?

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 12, 2010 @ 6:48 am

  47. Yes, i have a copy of the report & yes, my benefit was stopped last month, i must submit an appeal today. This ‘serial sevens’ statement is cited as reason to disallow points for all memory & concentration related questions, very dodgy. It was a doctor too, registered with GMC.

    Comment by nobeard — October 12, 2010 @ 10:29 am

  48. I suggest you get your appeal in without further delay as you have only one month from the date of the letter. Good luck and keep us posted of your progress.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 12, 2010 @ 12:00 pm

  49. I await my ESA85 form on dec 5 so i have been informed by the local jc last week.Also informed by them that after my examination by ATOS i will be contacted by phone the result of my examination.Seems a bit strange as it probily be number with held or private number which many people will not answer I have asked for a home visit as my electric scooter will not be able to go on the train i,ts to big I think the phone call from them is a bit suspect and should i tell them about the scooter.It would be to difficult and painfull to take two taxi,s and the train each way as i have osteoarthiritis in both knees and glaucoma plus the medication i have to take would make it quite dangerious

    Comment by troubled — October 27, 2010 @ 9:46 pm

  50. Welcome to our world troubled. I have never heard of ATOS or the DWP contacting anyone via telephone with the result of thier “examination”? I fail to see what benefit this would have other than for ATOS or the DWP, i.e. there will not be a paper trail and thus less evidence to support bad practice. It is always wise to ring and or write to your local JC+ requesting a copy of the “Doctors” report, you will need this if you wish to appeal. Please remember it is your right to have access to any information ATOS or the DWP hold on you especially the “Doctors” report Also you will find many of the readers and commentators on this blog and our sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.myfreeforum.org have made FOI requests at the same time. If you find yourself in a position where you have to appeal, make sure you contact your Local Authority Welfare Rights Officer or the CAB for help and advice with your appeal. Good luck and keep us posted

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 28, 2010 @ 10:17 am

  51. Thanks for your reply., I was asked for my telephone number at my meeting at the Jobcentre last week as they didn’t have a copy of it. I was then told I would be notified by phone of the result of my medical with Atos whenever that may be. I agree with you that they may be trying to hide a paper trail to avoid appeals. Apart from my medical condition as it stands at the moment, I was also in a serious accident in 2003 in which I broke my back, and I have photo copies of the X-ray which show 4 bolts and 2 rods holding my spine in place. The bolts are approx 4-6ins long. I also have metal plates and 9 screws in my right arm, which I am awaiting surgery to remove some after a fall in January due to the imbalance of my legs. When I showed my X-rays to my interviewer at the Jobcentre she was stunned and couldn’t believe that I was asked to come in, because I am practically un-insurable as far as working is concerned. She kept repeating the question “is this metal still inside you” in disblief. Her words were “if you were to take a bad fall, any of the bolts around your spine could puncture a vital organ if misplaced” and therefore render me as a possible paraplegic. I hope this does not seem to be an overexageration, but that is my position.

    Comment by troubled — October 28, 2010 @ 11:33 am

  52. Hi Troubled.

    The whole idea of phoning you to talk about your examination is to save them time and money, and is not for your benefit.
    So lets suppose they tell you that you do not have enough points and you will have to sign on for jobseekers allowance, you immedietely say i cant do that, but what i can do is appeal against your decision to find me fit for work, and since i’m appealing could you please forward me a GL24 appeal form, and since i want to study your decision before i fill in the GL 24 appeal form, i wish you to also forward me the ATOS ESA 85 medical report, also inform them that you wish to be paid the assessment rate whilst waiting for your appeal date, because if you dont they will just expect you to sign on, in other words you have to tell them what you are entitled to, they never tell you what you are entitled to.
    Do not get involved in lenghly conversations, their whole idea of phoning is to try and tell you that you have no chance at the tribunal etc.
    Because the ATOS decisions are so bad that almost everyone is appealing now, they have turned to phone call desperation to cut down the number of appeals .
    Just politely insist on the form and medical report so you can get on with that appeal you will undoubtably have no problems in winning.

    Hope this helps a bit.

    Comment by David — October 28, 2010 @ 12:20 pm

  53. Thank you David that was most helpful, but was thinking along those lines. Is there a forum that puts up a petition to sign against this immoral practice of Atos. After reading through a good lot of the blogs on this site I believe they have already been thrown out of America for,dare I say, dubious or illegal practices. In the worst case senario, how would this look in the European Court of Human Rights???? I know I seem to be jumping the gun, as I haven’t been assessed yet, but will no doubt be nil point!! If they do decide to stop my income support benefit, will they also stop my DLA High Mobilty? Should I ask for a GL 24 appeal form if they stop ANY/ALL of my benefits?? Whilst an appeal is ongoing, do they still have to pay all benefits until a decision is made at the tribunal? What happens, if by chance, I miss the phone call on a mobile phone due to bad/no reception. Will they still go ahead and stop my benefit? How can you appeal against a decision when you don’t even know it’s been made!!!!

    Comment by troubled — October 28, 2010 @ 2:06 pm

  54. Hello troubled.

    First of all you need to relax, this is not personal, although it may seem to be, everybody on any kind of sickness benefit, no matter who they are has to go for a medical test, unless of course you are a head on a cushion.
    There are people with brain tumours, lung cancer etc being told to attend a test, the reason they are phoning people is as i said is simple, they want to save money, and a simple phone call is cheaper, ATOS and the DWP are two cheeks of the same bum, anyway dont worry about them not contacting you, they will find you all right, after they contact you by phone and it is confirmed then you will recieve a letter instructing you the time, date where to appear etc.
    It’s by no means certain you will be found fit for work, so dont worry about it.

    Now you ask about some captain cash while you wait for a possible appeal, yes as i said on my last comment you can insist on recieving the assessment rate instead of Job seakers allowance, assessment rate pays the same as Job seekers and of course rent rebate etc is included.
    Look at comment 50 and you will see a sister website you can visit to converse in forum style with like minded people http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ everybodies in the same boat.
    You ask if there is petitions, yes there is and there are two that i know…….’Sack ATOS healthcare immediately petition’ and the………’against DWP reforms for the genuinely sick and disabled’ petition, both can be found by googling.
    To finish then, if any of your benefits are disallowed, appeal as soon as you find out, they only give a month to do so and are quite strict.

    Good luck.

    Comment by David — October 28, 2010 @ 3:02 pm

  55. I forgot to add, if you do have to appeal and you win, then all moneys they owe you will be backdated, less of course the assessment rate, and in the highly unlikely event you dont win the appeal, you haven’t lost anything, so if you are found fit for work by ATOS/DWP and you believe you are not fit for work, then appeal, because you have absolutely nothing to lose..!!

    Comment by David — October 28, 2010 @ 3:09 pm

  56. I have cerebral palsy, this means that i cannot talk very well, cannot hear very well cannot cook or bathe for myself have spasm which i cannot control cannot use a mobile phon as i do not have much co ordinatione am very vulnerable if left to my own devices outside of my own enviroment and use a wheelchair. This is now compounded by severe arthritis caused my the cerebral pasy wear and tear on my body. How the hell can i go to work? It has taken me 1 hour to type this and i a tired out. I expect tho by reading this that i will be demed “fit for work” sighs whats the point?

    Comment by Leanne — December 8, 2010 @ 3:17 am

  57. Have you been summond to attend a medical by ATOS?

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 8, 2010 @ 8:52 am

  58. For information..
    Benefits and Work Website have a great deal of information about filling in forms with advice and do’s/don’ts. I have also just recieved an email with the following information.

    Benefits and Work Newsletter:

    Confirmed: DLA to be axed and replaced by PIP
    The DWP have confirmed that disability living allowance (DLA) is to be abolished and replaced by a new benefit called Personal Independence Payment (PIP) in 2013/14. All existing DLA claimants will be reassessed for PIP once it is introduced.

    A brief consultation has begun – but not to decide whether to replace DLA, only to decide the finer details.

    From the scant information available, we look at what’s staying the same, what’s changing, why your ESA medical may also be your PIP medical and who is most likely to lose out with the introduction of PIP – designed to reduce spending on DLA by at least one fifth.

    Whether you have a PIP or an ESA medical, you can be sure that it will be Atos who carry it out. The coalition have now extended the Atos contract by a further three years, giving the multinational a virtually unbreakable stranglehold on benefits medicals.

    And that may not be the end of your dealings with Atos. They are one of the companies shortlisted by the DWP to run compulsory schemes to get sick and disabled claimants back into work once they have been placed in the work-related activity group.

    Comment by Beth — December 8, 2010 @ 11:06 am

  59. no i have not been called in for a medical yet but I am one of no dount thousands of very worried individuals who have a gneuine disabiltiy.. I would also like to point out something that has been bothering me about all this. If, like me your award for IB, DLA care middle rate and DLA higher rate mob has been granted to you indefinitely how can it be taken away?? If they take it away then that means that the person who granted it to you was wrong or i have lied which then becomes a matter of legailty surely?

    Comment by Leanne — December 8, 2010 @ 12:29 pm

  60. Not really because indefinitely DOES NOT mean for ever.. It can be reviewed anytime. I like many others have letters granting the DLA award for life however, DWP changed the goalposts so they can review at anytime.

    Comment by Beth — December 8, 2010 @ 12:33 pm

  61. So are you telling me that having had this disabiltiy since birth, having been to a school for disabled people, then college for disabled people had a go at working , and was told by various medical authorities that i cld not becos of the severity of my disability and in more recent years having to have a carer who now lives with me that I am not entitled to have the security of my DLA for the rest of my life and that i have tO PROVE that i am disabled enough to get it again and again ? i might as well give up , curl in a ball and die Do these people have any idea how humiliatng this new screening process is or how difficult it is living with a disability like mine, constantly being stared at when i go out or when i try to communicate.? and struggling to deal with the every day tasks that most people take for granted? do they even care? I have an iq of 135, if i was able to work i would do instead I am trapped in this god damn ujsless bodyQ

    Comment by Leanne — December 8, 2010 @ 1:13 pm

  62. Hi, welcome to our community, I started writing this blog a couple of years ago when I became a victim of ATOS Healthcare. There are many other people in similar situations and I am trying to provide a focal point whrer anyone can express thier opinion, good or bad about the present situation. Disabled people are currently under attack by the Government who are feeding the press and tv media with stories which are designed to alienate and demonise us in the eyes of the general public. The whole point of the blog is to provide a platform from which people with sever disabilities like yourself can speak freely and share thier experiences with other disabled bloggers. No one here will challenge you, all you will find here is support and open debate. I welcome your input and having a relative in a similar situation as your own, can appreciate your sentiments. There are many disabled people out there who are being victimised by ATOS Healthcare and I want to bring this from the shadowy world they live in out into the light. Please tell us your story, the more information we have about the experiences of people like yourself, the more aware we and hopefully the general public become. Please feel free to join our sister forum at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ where you will find many other people in a similar situation to yourself.

    This is what the General public are not hearing or reading in the press. This is why blogs like this one exist in the first place. Disabled people are being treated abysmally by the Government and unless we act now, we will lose our right to Benefits and this will have a knmock on effect down through the next generation or two to a point where there will be no Benefits. Please fight back, by doing so you do not contribute to the case the Government have to continue employing fraudulent organisations like ATOS Healthcare. Please feel free to join our sister forum at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ where you will find many other people in a similar situation to yourself.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 10, 2010 @ 9:35 am

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  64. omg,ive just stumbled across your page trying to research what questions will be asked and im now more nervous than i was this morning,ive had hip pain for about 8 years but never thought of going on IB, until i went to a backto work interview for single parents,and the lady said to me have you got onto mobility yet, ive recently had a MRI scan of my hips,which stop me from doing numerous tasks,walking upstairs,walking in general,sitting still without pain, but im only 39 and for the past 8 years,just got on with it for my kids sakes,alto now everyday tasks are impossible… ive been reading through everyones experiances for the past 30 minutes,and is petrified about 2 june… any tips on what to do… im also addicted to co-codamol and NEED alchol to get me thro a nearly pain free day…many thanks in advance
    Rachael

    Comment by rachael — May 14, 2011 @ 8:01 pm

  65. Have a look on benefitsandwork website they have a self assessment form on there which, has the questions you’ll be asked. The only other advice is be honest about daily difficulties. If they do fail you and withdraw benefit appeal and re-apply for ESA whilst waiting for your appeal.
    With regard to your addiction to co-codamol I wasn’t aware they were addictive, I’ve taken them for 20 year while working full time, now taking much stronger pain meds and I’ve never been addicted to painkillers.

    Comment by Beth — May 14, 2011 @ 8:19 pm

  66. Esa renewal 2009,report full of lies.Rang DWP and got an apology,Esa re-instated.DLA renewal november 2009,turned down completely despite HRC and HRM for 3 years previously.why?i have the nerve to defy the odds and survive three seperate bouts of cancer.The fact that 6 years after diagnosis i still have check ups every 3 months.Also have damaged discs in neck,osteoarthritis of lower spine,nerve damage in back from evasive treatment,depression and anxiety,and hidradenitis suppurativa in groin.After 7 months battling dwp and reports and letters they are now only writing to my gp.Enough stress to tip anyone over the edge.

    Comment by mandy — June 21, 2011 @ 4:01 pm

  67. @Beth. Co-codamol are very much addictive they contain Codeine, which is an Opiate. There is a warning on every box you buy.
    And unfortunately, If you have taken Opiate pain killers for 20 years of course you are addicted to them, you just don`t know you`re addicted unless you suddenly stop taking them.

    Comment by Anonymous — August 1, 2011 @ 11:04 pm

  68. Firstly I don’t buy them they’re prescribed, I was taking them for 20 yr as and when required which was 4 times a day while working along with Disease Modifying Drugs and regular Kenalog injections. As stated due to disease progression I now take other pain relievers i.e. Tramadol and Amytriptyline with Kenalog injections 3 times a year.. again as and when required and I do go without them when I can. So I can assure you I’m not addicted to anything.

    Comment by Elizabeth Rayner — August 1, 2011 @ 11:21 pm

  69. I did not say you bought yours I said there is a warning on the boxes you buy.
    “I’ve taken them for 20 year while working full time” Not only are you unique you are also lucky. These drugs are very addictive, especially when taken regularly and it can take days for the withdrawal symptoms to start.

    Comment by Anonymous — August 3, 2011 @ 10:08 am

  70. Has anyone heard about anyone attending a medical assessment and their experiences in Spain or any other EU country where claimants were receiving Incapacity Benefit? but now been reassessed.

    Comment by genesuncut1 — September 11, 2011 @ 7:03 pm

  71. ive my assesment soon ive allready decided if i lose my benifit i will take my life im already a phisical burden on my family i wont be a financial one

    Comment by Anonymous — October 20, 2011 @ 10:48 pm

  72. You will not do anything of the sort, you will do as I and thousands of others are doing and fight these bastards. You can get plenty of help here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ go there get help and fight and you will win.
    You will not lose your benefits, you can get the assessment rate if you appeal any adverse decisions, this means you will get a full rent rebate (If you are renting) and full council tax rebate as well as money to live on, and when you win your appeal then all money they owe you is refunded.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 20, 2011 @ 11:02 pm

  73. i have read all the comments on this site with great interest. I had an accident at work last november and snapped the ligaments in my index finger which was repaired but when the wires were taken out my finger did not move. I have since had another 9 procedures done on my hand because i cant use it. My thumb fingers and wrist have frozen up and i now have RSD which is from the tip of my fingers to my shoulder so i am in constant pain. my family have to do everything for me like washing, dressing,making meals as i am now unable to do a lot. my left arm is now suffering because i am having to use it and i am now suffering with pain in that arm. I am now suffering from depression because of this i cry about everything like how i will probably not be able to use my right hand and arm again and i am right handed. my consultant says i am not fit for work and i myself know i am not. Work are now considering terminating my employment because of my lack of capabilities so i am really low. I know when my tribunal comes that i will probably lose but i must keep on trying. The advise on this site though has really helped me and i will let you all know.

    take care xxxxxxxxxx

    Comment by chiggy woo — October 25, 2011 @ 11:03 am

  74. There’s more advice on what to do next on the forum CW http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/, just think up a user name and log in and ask any questions you like, from what to do when you appeal, to what to do for money, who to contact for help in your area etc

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 25, 2011 @ 2:59 pm

  75. I have both asthma and eczema and recently had a severe eczema flareup which lasted many months. I wont go into detail as to how eczema has affected my life but will say when it is bad you suffer to the point where you wish you didn’t exist anymore, and there is no respite unless you take drugs that can seriously damage your health and further weaken your immune system. After reading the above accounts from people It makes me extremely angry that genuine cases are treated so badly. I have experienced discrimination during my lifetime however, I have been fortunate enough to hold down a job but goes without saying when I have been ill, I have often felt pressurised to return too early, and that some people, often those who are fortunate enough to be healthy don’t understand your illness and think you are ‘shirking’. Often my eczema has been referred to as ‘just a rash’ or its ‘just eczema’ some people do not understand when it is severe you cannot move because it hurts so much and that it also hurts to put clothes on. I am currenty unemployed and have recently completed the medical questionnaire. I struggled to answer the questions as they fail to relate to skin disorders. I have also been asked to attend the medical screening but after researching this online felt angy that the health examn website refers to eczema as being a ‘rash’ and as I already expected, just how qualified are these so called health professionals……..I am so grateful that my flareup isbegginning to slowly improve and hope that I do not have to undergo this pointless examination…..

    Comment by Anonymous — October 31, 2011 @ 3:02 pm

  76. Be prepared though for their pointless letter, if you can walk or even crawl they will demand you attend.
    You can get all the help you need to deal with any possible appeals etc here at the forum…http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 31, 2011 @ 6:52 pm

  77. Hello all, I am appalled at all ive read. I am attending an ESA medical tommorrow as i have chronic back pain and difficulty walking, sitting or standing for periods of time. I suffer with constant sciatica and neck pain due to arthritis. I have worked in heavy industry for all my working life and have paid national insurance and tax along the way. These benefits are there to support people with genuine injuries/disabilities. It is only recently that i have become incapacitated and am slowly sinking into deppresion because of my lack of mobility. I cannot let some robot from the highest bidder take control of my life with the use of a computer. I will fight them as I believe I am entitled to ESA. If I cannot put my socks or shoes on or walk without severe discomfort whilst taking 40mg of morphine daily along with 30/500 co codomol then there is something seriously wrong with the world. Rant over lol. update tommorrow.

    Comment by jason porter — November 9, 2011 @ 9:38 pm

  78. Cheers Jason let us know what happens, I can guess some of it for you, you will meet a lovely Lady/Gentleman at the ATOS centre who will be deliriously charming, that’s fine just play along and see what it says on the brown enveloped letter from the DWP, and if it is not in your favour then log in here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and get all the help you need, so relax make a cup of tea put your feet up and don’t worry.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 9, 2011 @ 9:54 pm

  79. ATOS – the ‘Work Programme’ and ‘Mandatory Work Activity’ supply chains:

    https://www.lifeinthemix.info/2011/11/atos-work-programme-mandatory-work-activity-supply-chains/

    Comment by Caz — December 5, 2011 @ 2:41 pm

  80. @Beth…. oh yeah you’re not an addict… same as someone who drinks everyday is not alcoholic… no wonder you piss people off on this site with your holier than thou attitude…. having worked for the DWP maybe a lot of people on here think you “know” how to play the system… tut tut…

    Comment by Anonymous — December 22, 2011 @ 1:04 am

  81. Ok I’m an addict, but I can and often do stop taking all my meds to give my body/system a rest, sadly an alcoholic is unable to do that. But my meds have nothing to do with this page, and I find personal attacks quite distasteful.

    As for playing the system I don’t need to, though I have to admit I know the system, but anyone with a little knowledge can get info about how DWP works, it’s freely available. I gather information and arm myself with knowledge prior to dealing with them.

    Yes I do have an attitude, that could because of where I live. I see people fiddling daily, having worked for DWP I’ve had full access to people records and I’ve seen so many blatantly fiddling the system and fraudulently filling in claim forms unfortunately the fraud office just didn’t have the staff to go after them!

    Believe me, the figures for benefit fraud are way out (they are only the ones caught) it’s much more widespread than statistics say. It’s these people I blame for disabled and long term sick having to jump through hoops now.

    Comment by Beth — December 22, 2011 @ 9:37 am

  82. OK Beth, fair enough, you’ve at least been frank… i think most genuine people not just genuine claiments can spot a scammer\thief, yes they should send them to prison if its blatently clear that they are or indeed have made fraudently claims of any benefit.. the biggest fraudsters i know of and indeed read about are how can i put it politely not of anglo\saxon origin… ive seen things that beggers belief… having said that it’s the governments fault and the laws on immigrants claiming anything should be looked at… i.e NI contributions, length of time working in a genuine taxable job etc.
    This is only my veiw and by the amount of spelling mistakes, grammer & punctuation in my post it really dosn’t add up too much…..

    Comment by Anonymous — December 22, 2011 @ 2:17 pm

  83. All views, opinions are valid regardless of spellings/grammar, we all have different experiences from which we draw our own opinions/views. As long as someone can make themselves understood that’s all that matters.

    Comment by Beth — December 22, 2011 @ 2:30 pm

  84. so i cant concentrate in a strange way,i can do everything but i wont keep a job down and will miss jsa signing ins, ican pick up a 2.5kg sack of potatoes but if anyone asks me to do i get points for beating them with it untillthey get where i am coming from

    Comment by Anonymous — January 22, 2012 @ 4:31 pm

  85. Hello Anon.

    Well you may get points for beating them over the head with it but it doesn’t come recommended, better to concentrate on the mental health issue side to try and make some headway, there’s also what’s called the ”non functional descriptors” this refers to what’s known as ”exceptional circumstances” because a lack of concentration amongst other things can lead to a situation where you are dangerous in the workplace to yourself and others.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 22, 2012 @ 5:15 pm

  86. Hello all

    I have been to a ATOS medical and given zero points in December, I expected as much. I went to one of the first medicals when new labour came up with the plan of employing ATOS and they failed me then too. I appealed in 1998 and got decision reversed with the help and the C.A.B. Well the waiting list is now 18 months so I will be in limbo for a while. I found out something interesting during my visit to the C.A.B the DWP had been removing my Child Tax Credits from me and my wifes’ Income Support because “we did not think you had any children” even though I always kept them informed, so they owe us over 10 grand and they don’t want to pay it out ;-)

    Well I wanted to share a few things you may already know so please for give me if you do, but I found an interesting site with a very switched on guy who has a great deal of technical information like who has to be called for a medical by condition.

    http://www.whywaitforever.com/dwpatoscontract.html#MEDICAL-CONDITIONS

    He also list a wealth of information on ATOS’s contract I found a lot more useful information again maybe old news but I will list it.

    In an article for the BMJ,[21] Doctor Margaret McCartney attended an Atos recruitment seminar and then detailed her experience, concluding that she did not feel it was possible for a doctor to work as an Atos assessor and simultaneously adhere to their professional responsibility to place the needs of the patient first at all times. In response to a comment[28] by a reader of the article that Atos doctors did not owe claimants their normal duty of care, the Standards and Fitness to Practice Directorate of the General Medical Council issued guidance [29] that Atos assessments are indeed a doctor-patient interaction and that doctors have to make the interests of their patients their first concern at all times, closing the guidance with a reminder that “Being open and honest and acting with integrity is also an essential part of medical professionalism.”In August 2011, press reports revealed that twelve doctors working for Atos as disability assessors had been placed under investigation by the General Medical Council because of allegations of misconduct in relation to their duty of care to patients.[30]
    Wikipedia

    Basically they have to treat you like a patient and have your best interests at heart if they don’t you can complain to the GMC always get you “HCP’s” name and number.

    “Unfit for purpose”
    “The government’s proposal to stop GPs writing sick notes for long-term illness and hand the work to “independent assessors” has private companies rubbing their hands. But it has alarmed those who fear that patients will have to endure the same tick-box assessments as those needing benefits, as carried out by Atos.”~

    “Now an Atos insider tells the Eye that, under pressure from government to produce figures showing the number of claimants coming off benefits, coupled with competition to run the multi-million- pound contract, the situation may get worse. In the past 12 months a number of experienced doctors have left the company because they no longer want to be part of a “target-driven” system that they say is unfair to the claimants and compromises their professionalism. One said it was “immoral”. They have not apparently been replaced, and most medical assessments are now carried out by nurses, who are less expensive – but would have fewer skills in musculo-skeletal disorders or mental illness, two of the main causes of disability.~
    Private Eye

    So we have a company being held under a contract that forces results with the threat of termination of contract, putting pressure on their medical staff to come up with results (more people off benefits). So by a process of “natural selection” all the doctors or nurses that feel a duty of care to the claimants leave and the only doctors or nurses left are the ones that either don’t or can’t care what happens to claimants.

    A second interesting thing to note is the governments’ idea to stop GPs giving sick notes and handing this to a private company, Atos or other. I am a currently appealing the decision to remove my disability related Income Support and to be able to appeal this decision I need a sick note. So in this proposed new system I will be found able to work by a privately run incentive motivated company then to be able to appeal this decision I will have to attend the same or another incentive driven company to get my sick note. I guess with an 18 months waiting list for appeal and thousands of people waiting at a cost of 80 million to the government so far, on top of the 100 million paid to Atos this may appear to be a cunning wheaze to reduce the numbers going to appeal. I also read the government proposals to scrap Legal Aid for most areas of social welfare law: http://www.justice-for-all.org.uk/

    Comment by L!mp!mp — January 26, 2012 @ 8:47 pm

  87. I still don’t understand how are people both being assessed for ESA and PIP? Will I just randomly come up for one or the other or does my having been on SDA make a difference to whether it is ESA or PIP. There just seems to be NO logic/info on this!

    I have learning disabilities, Cerebral Palsy, a later brain injury which remains undiagnosed though my GP believes me, a benign brain tumour and the fatigue and pain that years of meds and side effects causes. I frequently find it very difficult to answer questions put me by strangers, or to work out ones with negatives in. I need to think things out at my own speed but it doesn’t sound like that is something they will let you do! With unsympathetic people I say the first thing that comes into my head or forget the question half way through and have to ask people to repeat it. I am worried that they will rush me and that my thinking time problems will actually mean that I get less points or don’t get asked enough questions so that they make up the answers from the ones they do ask.

    IF they ask me the mental health questions I could answer them all with ‘No’ because so many of those things like my own paperwork/cooking I have not done for years. It is totally backwards that they get to choose what I mean based on a yes or no answer. I am sick of trying to explain to people that you are not allowed to give long answers and info and my mother will be convinced that ‘I just said the wrong thing’ which adds to the strain

    Does anyone else have any experience of whether they ask you both the physical and the mental health- I have both. Do they get angry if you flip out? I started with just the disabilities and illnesses but after the brain injury I was so depressed I became suicidal, then violent then twice stabbed my husband. My biggest fear is that whatever I do or say I will feel judged and treated harshly. Then I blame my husband for not protecting me and I can get violent. I’m worried that I could hurt my husband if I don’t get support from him, but also that if I do get angry, agitated they will throw me out without assessing me, even though loads of descriptors asked if the patient was agitated. Trust me, I WILL BE! I want to fight them like everyone else but I am scared and would rather die than kill my husband which I think I am quite capable of doing if they don’t listen to me. Staying calm seems like my only hope for my husband (if I can) but then I will lose and become violent anyway!

    Comment by ladycrookbackRebecca Stell — February 11, 2012 @ 5:38 am

  88. Go here and check your conditions, It states which conditions should be sent for a face to face interview. I see one of your conditions rules you out of a face to face, but I am not sure if this list is still up to date.

    1. Unsuitable for calling to a Medical Examination Centre.
    Age >75 years

    Age <12 years

    Both Blind and Deaf
    Registered Blind (needs to be seen in own environment)
    Cases accepted under the Special Rules defining Terminal illness.
    Alzheimers
    Amputation of both legs
    Asperger's
    Autistic Spectrum Disorder / Autism
    Cerebral Palsy
    Dementia
    Hemiplegia
    Huntingdon's Chorea
    Korsakoffs Psychosis
    Macmillan Nurse attending.
    Motor Neurone Disease
    On oxygen
    Paraplegia
    Quadraplegia
    Renal Dialysis
    Severe Mental Impairment
    Severe Learning Difficulty
    Spastic Diplegia
    Tetraplegia
    Total Parenteral Nutrition
    Unstable Angina
    Wernicke's Encephalopathy

    http://www.whywaitforever.com/dwpatoscontract.html#MEDICAL-CONDITIONS

    Go here there are lots of helpfull people

    http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/index.php

    Comment by L!mp!mp — February 11, 2012 @ 10:56 am

  89. How they react to a person who declares they have mental issues just depends I suppose on how the client/customer/patient comes across at the assessment, I’m not being funny but I can tell you of one guy (told to me by a friend) who got called in for an assessment around three years ago, according to him, he came across to the Dr as perfectly normal, that was until the ATOS Dr asked him if he had any interests ? he replied what do you mean interests ? do you mean hobbies ? and when the Dr said yes I mean what do you do in your spare time ? yes you know hobbies etc.
    The guy said well funny you should ask that Dr because I do have a new hobby and went in to his pocket and produced a little box with compartments in it, opened the box and at the same time he said ”I COLLECT DOG SHIT” and placed a lump on the table, in passing he ventured the opinion that he wasn’t sure what bread of dog it was but could be a rottweilers, and kept talking about his new hobby.
    The Dr must have pressed a buzzer under the table or something because a security guard appeared and escorted the lad from the premises, a couple of weeks later he received a letter from the DWP saying he was entitled to benefits etc.

    Obviously in this particular case the ATOS Dr took him seriously..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 12, 2012 @ 7:03 pm

  90. They cannot refuse to send anybody a copy of their medical reports.
    Under section 7 of the data protection act 1998 they have to comply with your written request within 4o working days.
    You are entitled to see everything they hold on file about you, including everything on computer and copies of telephone conversations, there is a £10 fee to see your files, for copies of the whole it could cost you up to £50.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — February 13, 2012 @ 1:10 pm

  91. Thank you this has been so helpful I have my appeal tomorrow I’m very frightened to meet them. I hate meeting new people. But oops I can use a computer, how do these people work this out my friend has cancer & a few other problems she failed her medical & has appealed she is awaiting a date.

    Comment by Kathryn smith — February 15, 2012 @ 8:08 pm

  92. Hello Kathryn.

    At your appeal tomorrow remember to discuss your health problems in relation to the descriptors you are contending, the descriptors are everything that’s what they want to talk about. And that’s how you will win.
    As for your friend failing the assessment well that’s just par for the course with ATOS healthcare, it doesn’t really matter what your health problem is they give below 15 points deliberately and hope you don’t appeal, amazingly some wimp out and don’t appeal and just go and sign on..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 15, 2012 @ 9:01 pm

  93. I wonder if it would be possible for each of us claimants who have been put through the extreme stress of the ‘not fit for purpose’ Atos examination, been failed, then had months of continual stress and worry leading up to appeal and then had our claim upheld at appeal, to sue the government for causing this additional stress when we are already vulnerable and ill? That might make the government look at the statistics and realise that when a claimant’s GP or medical specialist says they are not fit for work they should take their word for it. If everyone who has won their appeal sued the government I would think Atos would very quickly be dispensed with… just a thought?

    Comment by PRISCA FURLONG — February 22, 2012 @ 4:16 pm

  94. Hello Prisca.

    It’s a good idea and has been mooted quite a few times before, there’s some problems though, and one of them concerns organisation, it’s an organisational nightmare, having to have a treasurer amongst others, a treasurer ? you might not even know and can disappear with the Captain cash, I know someone who would make a good treasurer ? honest he’s a great guy and would never dream of running of with peoples money, but are you going to trust him just because I said so ?.
    The only way it can be done is through a lawyer, and some of them I wouldn’t trust with my monthly bus card..!!

    On our sister site http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/index.php it has been discussed endlessly.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 22, 2012 @ 6:16 pm

  95. i suffer from epilepsy and have just put in for esa after being taken off dla ,and half the questions you are talking about do not have anything to do with my condition.is anyone in a similar position to me that can help

    Comment by Anonymous — February 24, 2012 @ 3:20 pm

  96. Hi, have a look on Benefitsandwork website, there’s loads of free information about DLA and ESA. I’d advise you to appeal against the decision to stop your DLA. Contact you nearest welfare rights organisation such as CAB to help with appeal and ESA claim.

    http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/disability-living-allowance-dla

    Comment by Beth — February 24, 2012 @ 3:23 pm

  97. thanks my appeal for dla is going through but i was told i would have to claim jsa or esa while i wait but one im saying im fit for work and the other if i claim esa and fail this will also affect my dla appeal so im stuck between a rock and a hard place which ever way

    Comment by Anonymous — February 24, 2012 @ 3:41 pm

  98. One shouldn’t affect the other as you can claim DLA while working. Reclaim ESA, the problem will be by the time they hear your appeal you’ll be due another medical with the latest claim… It’s madness but sadly that’s the system the Tories have inflicted on us.

    Comment by Beth — February 24, 2012 @ 3:51 pm

  99. Hi,I have an appointment for an assessment on the 7/03/2012. I was already shitting myself , but now after hearing about peoples bad experiences with Alto I feel quite suicidal and the thoughts of self-harming are back. I also suffer from Iatrophobia, which is a fear of doctors. It is making me wonder if it is all worth it. The implications for me could turn out to be dire. Because if I am turned down then I won’t claim any benefits at all, I am that afraid. No rent no home. Living on the streets again and finally back to prison because I cannot cope outside in society. SHIT

    Comment by David — March 1, 2012 @ 3:04 pm

  100. Hello David.

    The actual assessment itself is not that bad, they just ask some questions about your health that’s all, it’s the aftermath, so attend the assessment it only lasts around twenty minutes, and wait for the brown letter, when it comes you can appeal, we can help you through it.
    You will not be on the streets because you can claim money and rent rebate etc while you wait for the appeal to be heard, we will show you how to tackle it with the minimum of fuss.
    You can also go to our forum, just pick a username and log in http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and you will find you are not alone, thousands are going through this assessment, and we are helping anyone who asks.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 1, 2012 @ 3:16 pm

  101. Thank you for your words of assurance. I do feel better today, my uncle will be giving me a lift and my dad said he will attend the assessment with me. My dad is 73 but still very supportive of my condition. He can be witness just in case they are rude or abrupt to me, in the past I have had bad experiences from doctors, one especially to the point of mental-cruelty. If I do not pass my assessment, I do hope I can rely on you for help and advice. Again thank you.

    Comment by David — March 2, 2012 @ 11:32 am

  102. Hello David.

    They will ask you how you got there, and you are getting a lift that’s a great start, walking there is fit for work.
    Anyway it’s best to go and get it over with, as I said it’s just around twenty minutes of answering questions and and then you will be appealing, and we can help so forget worrying about it..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 2, 2012 @ 2:21 pm

  103. my brother is 62 he has his asessment on wednesday, after a battle from me and his doctor he has finally got a home visit. I dont know how this will go as he has severe depression and is very angry.He is likely to tell them to go forth in no uncertain terms. he can hardly move cannot get up without me helping him (but due to me pulling my back out and having sciatica I cant lift him). my question is can I use a video camera to record the asessment, and also as my brother is on pension credit when he fails and has to appeal will his pension credit increase to cover what he loses on Incapacity benefit?

    Comment by Chris — March 5, 2012 @ 1:30 pm

  104. Hi Chris.

    If you tell the ATOS HCP that you are recording the medical, then you will find that the assessment will cease immediately, a letter will arrive saying your/his benefits have stopped, if you want to record then either you do it covertly or make an arrangement with ATOS, An arrangement with ATOS may be granted but it’s a long hard hoop jumping road to go down.
    His pension credit will not increase to cover lose of IB, but if he needs to appeal his lose of IB then he should get the assessment rate while the appeal is ongoing..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 5, 2012 @ 2:46 pm

  105. Well I’ve just got back from my assessment. Although it wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be, I couldn’t help but feel very very inadequate hearing my answers reiterated back to me. By the end of the assessment my head did feel all over the place. I still feel really upset and I am putting myself down and really beating myself up. The high point of the assessment was when he asked me if I had been to prison because of my behaviour. I replied ‘ yes ‘, ‘what for’ he asked. ‘ Under section 4 of the terrorist act, I was in possession of explosives and ammunition ‘. His face was a picture. But joking apart, that is a lot of my problem, I cannot be around the public. I am fine on my own and I get on well and peacefully with my life. It is the extremity of my behaviour when coping in situations that others find quite normal. I just hope that I am not forced to change from my simple solitary life-style that I have at the moment.

    Comment by David — March 7, 2012 @ 1:51 pm

  106. Hello David.

    You may be exempt because of the special circumstances rule (Danger to your self and others in a work place et al) David.
    Let’s see what they do, if they find you fit for work then you can get help to appeal here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and also they can tell you what to do for money while you wait for the appeal to be heard..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 7, 2012 @ 4:24 pm

  107. Hi,

    Do you know how long I will have to wait for the results of my assessment? I am not sleeping and the stress it is causing me is quite over powering. I am thinking that if I am turned down then I have no option other than going back to prison. Is this the result they want? Surely it costs the government more to have me back in prison? I am not over reacting, this is something that I am experiencing personally. If it wasn’t for the fact that I have to pay my dad a weekly keep,then believe me I wouldn’t claim benefits at all.. I haven’t been out of prison for more than 4 months, I am struggling to cope and fit back into society. It sounded so good just before my release, the psychologist recommending a brain-scan and on going mental-health support when released. But now that I am out all this has fallen by the way side, no support is in place, no mention of the brain-scan and on top of my struggles I am going to be kicked off the sick. It couldn’t get any better, no wonder I give up before I even try. My only other option is suicide and the longer this is going on then the worse it is becoming……………

    Comment by David — March 8, 2012 @ 12:00 pm

  108. Hello David.

    Why do you want to hurry and see the result of your assessment David ? for every week that passes that you don’t hear from them an extra week of full ESA goes in to your bank account, if you hear from the DWP tomorrow for instance and the news is not good then your benefits will cease immediately.

    A few people have asked this question and it’s baffling to me why anyone would wish to hear bad news as soon as possible, when if the news is delayed as long as possible it’s to their own advantage.

    Better to use your time anticipating a negative answer from the DWP by arranging a letter saying you would like to appeal against their decision finding you fit for work and therefore could you please forward me a GL 24 appeal form as well as the ESA 85 assessment report.

    That’s ironically enough far more positive than worrying about something that is completely outside your control, after all there is a slim chance you may actually be found unfit for work.

    For the record David, it can take a week to hear from them, or it can take a couple of months, it all depends how far down in the enormous pile your particular case is..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 8, 2012 @ 12:22 pm

  109. HI,

    Yes your quite right, way worry about some thing outside my control. I should really remember what I have learn’t through cognitive therapy. I know a lot of our comments on this site are at times very negative, but I like to add that your reply do make a difference. It has been a way of letting off a bit of pressure for me and in that regard I would like to thank you. Keep up the good work.

    Kind regards. David.

    Comment by David — March 8, 2012 @ 12:39 pm

  110. Hi David.

    Thanks…and just to let you know, I used to worry as well David, I would worry about everything there was to worry about, then one day I got fed up worrying about things that might not even happen, most of them never even happened .

    Now ? what will be will be is what I say, and if the worst happens I will deal with it when it gets here, I’m a much happier person as well.

    I remember Winston Churchill (I think it was him ?) was on his deathbed and was asked ‘Have you any regrets in life ?’ He replied ‘Of all the things I worried about in my life, the majority of them never even happened, so worrying about them was a complete waste of time’.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 8, 2012 @ 1:05 pm

  111. Hi,I have just perused your blog. Very interesting and informative it was too. I am to attend a medical for disability related IS on Monday and I was wondering if you could advise me. I’ll explain…I am also in receipt of DLA. As, in all likelihood, the HCA will ‘fail’ me at my medical, where do I stand on the DL? I know that DLA can still be paid regardless of whether I’m on IS or not, but surely if they ‘fail’ me on IS, then they’d consider me to be not entitled to DLA either. Should I declare my DLA claim to them? (seems unlikely). Will they be assessing my DLA entitlement at the same time?

    Comment by JOHN — March 9, 2012 @ 11:18 am

  112. Hi John.

    You don’t need to mention to the ATOS HCP whether you get DLA or not, the purpose of the assessment is to declare you fit by hook or by crook.
    Some people have been saying that after the assessment the DWP used that as an excuse to stop their DLA, and others say it didn’t happen to them, so if they stop any of your benefits no matter what it is then you appeal immediately.
    Contact your local welfare rights office or CAB for help, and log in here as well http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ get switched on, know your rights because their aint going to be no CAB or welfare rights some day.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 9, 2012 @ 1:24 pm

  113. Thanks a lot. You’re surely right. This lot are making Thatcher look like Mother Theresa.I think you could probably go as far as to say someday there won’t be a welfare system, the way it’s going.

    On another point, your initial blog was posted before the PCA was changed, was it not? I haven’t read every single entry on the blog, so could you tell me whether to expect anything different to your experience at your assessment in 09?

    I had one in 08…was ‘failed’…appealed…got benefits reinstated…eventually. Appeal was granted on the grounds that, ”The appellant is exempt under regulation 10 (2) (e) (iii) of the Social Security (Incapacity for Work) ( General) Regulations 1995 as he suffers from an active and progressive form of inflammatory polyarthritis.”

    I included this information when I submitted my questionnaire, but I wish I hadn’t now as it looks like I’m challenging them, when in fact I was hoping not to have to go for another assessment.

    I guess the law’s probably changed now, but it seemed like a good idea to mention it at the time!

    Also, something else that’s unnerved me is that last Tuesday, DWP phoned me up at 7.15 pm to ‘ask’ me to attend an assessment. I was struck by how late it was…thoughts?

    Thanks again for your swift response.

    Are you available for comment on weekends as I may feel the need to vent my spleen some more over the next couple of days!

    Comment by JOHN — March 9, 2012 @ 2:16 pm

  114. Hello John.

    Yes the PCA is different in the sense that it’s tougher to pass the WCA, last year new descriptors came in as well, and made it even harder again, they just keep moving the goalposts, at one time if you were in a lot of pain that would be enough to pass but not now, much has changed.

    The powers that be realised if you call the assessment a functional assessment rather than a medical assessment they could con people out of their rights to benefits, people who don’t understand this will go to the tribunal and say yes Dr I can walk over 200 Metres but I have to force myself through the pain, they will be asked again ‘But can you walk over 200 Metres Sir/Madam and if the poor unfortunate hasn’t got the wit to understand what’s happening (And answer NO because I have to stop and rest) then BANG they are found fit for work.
    They are also asking folk that operate a wheelchair ‘Can you propel your chair over 200 Meteres ? the majority will answer YES and BANG that person in a wheelchair will be found fit for work and will not be entitled to ESA but have to sign on instead.

    This is a Government of crooks and charlatans John, they will rob you/us of every penny you/we have they don’t give a rats ass if you/us end your/our own life/s, in fact that’s what they would prefer you/us to do, one less of the figures is the way they cold bloodily look at it, because don’t let anyone kid you that it’s all about money ? Oh no nothing could be further from the truth, it’s all about figures, remember Cameron said he was going to get one million people of sickness benfits ? he wasn’t joking and he is going to do it one way or another.

    As for ATOS drones phoning you (From Newcastle by the way) at all hours ? yes that’s true, even weekends as well, nothing is sacred with these people, the people that do the phoning are diddys they don’t even realise they are working for a bunch of criminals, they read from a script and are paid buttons……………A bunch of easily controlled TWATS, I know because I’ve spoke to one of them for about five minutes and listening to that voice of his was inducing such a strong resolve to lose the will to live that I eventually gave up and put the phone down.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 9, 2012 @ 4:13 pm

  115. Readers…Do you care about your National health service, if so please sign Eoin Clarke’s petition (Will not vote for Lib-Dems again if they allow this Bill through), it’s on the right hand side of the page, and only takes a minute to sign and click your e-mail return as confirmation..

    http://eoin-clarke.blogspot.com/2012/03/lansley-refuses-court-order-to-publish.html

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 10, 2012 @ 3:51 pm

  116. Hello,

    I have just phoned ESA for a GS 24 appeal form and ESA 85 assessment report. I enquired about what I can claim while the appeal goes through and was told that I would have to put it into writing and send a sick note in from my doctor. But I have only just had a three month sick note from my doctor and I am not going to ask for another one because he will tell me that he has already issued me one. I am really confused with all this state of affairs and it is not helping me in the least. Surely I haven;t got to produce another sick note?

    Comment by David — March 12, 2012 @ 12:44 pm

  117. Hello David.

    The person you spoke to on the phone doesn’t know if you have sent in a sick note or not, he is just telling you that to receive the assessment rate you need to send in a sick note, since you have already done so then you don’t need to send in another until it expires.
    Explain that on the letter, tell them you would like to appeal and could they please send you on the ESA 85 report and the GL 24 appeal form, and remind them on the letter that of course as you are aware I have already sent in a sicknote to cover me up to such and such a date.
    When the three month note expires then get another three month note and so on. Do not rely on phone calls to these people though, send a letter..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 12, 2012 @ 2:00 pm

  118. Hello,

    Thank you for your swift reply, it has assured me. I wasn’t looking forward to going to the doctors for another sick-note they have enough to do. I will let you know how I get on with my appeal, again thanks.

    Comment by David — March 12, 2012 @ 3:48 pm

  119. been waiting 6mth to find out what group im in jsa or esa not right from steve.

    Comment by steve d — March 25, 2012 @ 9:17 pm

  120. Hello Steve.

    I don’t understand your post, if your not on JSA or ESA and haven’t been for six months then are you saying you are on nothing ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 26, 2012 @ 4:24 am

  121. sorry dwp av not let me no anything about the Questonaire i filled in six mths ago to let me no what i will be reciveing jsa or esa

    Comment by steve d — March 26, 2012 @ 12:36 pm

  122. Hello Steve.

    I have to assume you are on Incapacity benefit then ? help me out Steve ?. How much do you get a week that would be a good start ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 26, 2012 @ 12:53 pm

  123. After my medical they failed to inform me, after 2 mth of waiting I contacted DWP they said it was out of their hands. A week later I received a letter confirming which group I’d been placed in. On the other hand at least they’re still paying you and if your placed on ESA all the extra benefit will be back dated.

    Comment by Beth — March 26, 2012 @ 3:01 pm

  124. What is the special circumstances rule? Who does it apply to? Any information that you can provide would be kindly appreciated.

    Comment by David — March 27, 2012 @ 9:24 am

  125. Hello David.

    You will try in vain looking through the ESA 50 Questionnaire for any mention of the special circumstances rule, it was deliberately left out, because they don’t want anyone to know about it, but some people are seeing mention of it in the DWPs letter informing them they are unfit for work.
    So what is it ? that’s a good question David, the bottom line is, if anyone qualifies for the special circumstances rule it is the ATOS HCP who decides and not the DWP decision maker, the HCP looks at your health issues and makes a decision on whether that person is a danger to SOMEONE in the workplace etc, notice the SOMEONE, that could be the person him/herself or a person they come in to contact with while at work, then there is what group that person should be put into, is it going to be the Support group 35(2)(b) or the Work related activity group 29(2)(b) but they first of course must be granted ESA by scoring the necessary points of 15 or more on the special circumstances before they can decide which group.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 27, 2012 @ 9:57 am

  126. People who are expected to die within the next 6 mth.

    2.1 The Special Rules Check
    When a claimant contacts the JCP indicating that they wish to apply for ESA they
    may state that they are terminally ill. The definition of Terminal illness in the
    Welfare Reform Act legislation is:
    “That he is suffering from a progressive disease and his death in
    consequence of that disease can reasonably be expected within 6 months.”
    When a claimant is considered to be potentially terminally ill, a referral will be
    sent to Atos Healthcare for advice. This referral will be accessed using the
    Medical Services Referral System (MSRS) The HCP will access the claimant’s
    case through MSRS and follow a process which has been agreed by the
    customer. The advice provided to the Decision Maker will be generated using the
    LiMA application.
    In summary, a check takes place to find out whether a DS1500 has been issued.
    The DS1500 form is used in Disability Living Allowance and Attendance
    Allowance to consider applicants for DLA/AA under the Special Rules for the
    terminally ill. If the claimant has recently been accepted under this process, they
    can be considered as terminally ill for the purposes of ESA.
    If no DS1500 is available, then the claimant will be asked to obtain a DS1500. If
    this is not forthcoming, the HCP in most cases will seek further medical evidence
    from a practitioner involved in the medical care of the claimant. This medical
    evidence will usually be obtained by telephone contact to the claimants GP
    consultant, or other practitioner involved in the claimant’s medical care.
    Sometimes, this information will be obtained by a written request for Further
    Medical Evidence (FME). It should be noted that a claimant who is Ti will be
    entitled to the higher rate of benefit while still in the 13 week assessment phase.
    Therefore a phone call may be the preferred option to enable a prompt manner of
    establishing information regarding their medical condition.

    http://www.disabilityalliance.org/esahandbook.pdf

    Comment by Beth — March 27, 2012 @ 10:06 am

  127. Hi,

    I am please to say that I have been excepted into the support group after taking the ATOS assessment. I don’t know much of what this means,only that I don’t have to look for work at the moment. I would like to take the opportunity to say a big thank you for your help and support. I don’t know who I would of turned to if it wasn’t for your site. I will be staying in touch with the site to help me understand what is going on with the other people who have struggled just like myself. I wish you all the best for the future, so keep up the good work.

    Kind regards. David.

    Comment by David — March 28, 2012 @ 12:24 pm

  128. Hello David.

    Great news, it means an extra fiver a week, but more importantly less intrusion and hassle in your life.
    Remember they will be back so get to know your rights and be ready the next time.

    http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ is a good place to log into and learn your rights for the future..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 28, 2012 @ 1:08 pm

  129. Hi,
    I am an Alcoholic & have the ESA50 form to fill in. Should i admit to being one or just leave that part blank?
    I also suffer from Depression & take Panic Attacks. I also have Chronic Pancreatitis (due to alcohol).
    If i admit it, is there anything i should be carefull answering if i am asked to be seen?

    Thanks

    Comment by Anonymous — March 28, 2012 @ 1:42 pm

  130. Hello Anonymous.

    Alcoholism is a serious illness and you should most certainly tell them (ATOS) about it, they will want to know how your illness affects your ability to work and being under the influence of alcohol can be dangerous to someone in the work place, that is yourself or another person, but they use the word ‘Someone’.

    This means you could be found unfit for work under the special circumstances rule either 29(2)(b) which is the work related activity group ESA or 35(2)(b) which is the support group ESA. But just as important is if the DWP find you fit for work and you need to appeal then what you put on there can influence the tribunal panel.

    You have a month to fill it in, you have every right to be cautious so take your time, and I would suggest that before you do fill it in, get in contact with either your local welfare rights office or CAB and ask their advice they have experts who can advise you on what exactly you have to put on there to give you the best chance of getting ESA, if for some reason they cannot help you then they often know other professionals who can and can point you in the right direction.

    Good luck and let us know how you get on..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 28, 2012 @ 2:52 pm

  131. Hello Anonymous.

    Alcoholism is a serious illness and you should most certainly tell them (ATOS) about it, they will want to know how your illness affects your ability to work and being under the influence of alcohol can be dangerous to someone in the work place, that is yourself or another person, but they use the word ‘Someone’.

    This means you could be found unfit for work under the special circumstances rule either 29(2)(b) which is the work related activity group ESA or 35(2)(b) which is the support group ESA. But just as important is if the DWP find you fit for work and you need to appeal then what you put on there can influence the tribunal panel.

    You have a month to fill it in, you have every right to be cautious so take your time, and I would suggest that before you do fill it in, get in contact with either your local welfare rights office or CAB and ask their advice they have experts who can advise you on what exactly you have to put on there to give you the best chance of getting ESA, if for some reason they cannot help you then they often know other professionals who can and can point you in the right direction.

    Good luck and let us know how you get on..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 28, 2012 @ 2:52 pm

  132. just wondering has anyone had a tribunal hearing at telegraph house bailie street rochdale, as i’m due to go for a tribunal hearing at this place when they send a date.and was wondering what to expect?

    Would you recommend I take someone with me, if so, who is best as i seem to be getting little if any help off oldham c.a.b at the moment. I feel as if i am fighting a losing battle, it’s been going on since october last year.

    I am currently seeing my doctor for depression / anxiety and on a waiting list to see a councillor. My depression has been ongoing since senior school, due to being bullied and I have tried to carry on as normal until one day it hit me in the face like a ten ton truck and the doctor put me on anti depressants and tablets for my ulcer.

    Ten years ago i was in the hospital two days from death due to severe anaemia. I needed five and a half pints of blood. I don’t drink, and i don’t smoke. I feel like i am falling down a black hole,

    I’m on a waiting list to see a councillor which could be between 6-9 months from now , i now know i should have done it years ago. anyone out there felt like this and what did you do about it?

    Many thanks’ in advance……….

    Comment by Anonymous — March 28, 2012 @ 7:20 pm

  133. Hi I have just had an atos medical. What a disgusting demeaning endurance test, like being in a boxing ring with someone who is allowed to land as many punches as he wishes whilst you stand there vulnerable and disorientated.

    The nurse who did it shouldn’t be a nurse to deliver that kind of treatment to a vulnerable person.

    I was even intercepted by a jobsworth as I entered the lift who was most concerned that should there be a fire in the next hour would I be able to use the stairs if the lift was out of use with the assessment room on the first floor and then about 50 metres to the far end! Tricksters. Then sat there having to wait and there’s the CCTV in just the right place to record all those waiting assessment.

    No friendliness to speak of and I think I must have no points.

    Nasty nasty and if this is the best process that the DWP/government can come up with to achieve its ends then we really are in trouble in our society.

    At least reading this and other sites about atos post assessment I realise I am not alone.

    Atos should be banned and prosecuted for the bully boy thugs they are. That they are only carrying out orders is no excuse, they shouldn’t be doing it if morals mean anything.

    Comment by Anonymous — March 28, 2012 @ 7:23 pm

  134. Sorry I Meant to put my name on (133) . Dan

    Comment by Dan — March 28, 2012 @ 7:24 pm

  135. And I meant to put my name to 134#

    DeCam.

    I’m pleased to report there wasn’t a fire in the hour I was there so I was able to use the lift BUT I had told jobsworth that I COULD walk down the stairs if required. Would he have passed that information on? Never been asked that in my life before.

    When I fail the medical with no points and appeal is there a standard reduced amount I would get until the appeal is heard? How much is it please?

    If I fail again at appeal would I have to pay back all the money received between my claim being terminated by DWP and the appeal date?

    If I fail would I be automatically migrated on to JSA without me doing anything or would I have to apply as soon as my ESA appeal was disallowed?

    If offered the option of claiming JSA I won’t be able to sign the form as I cannot agree to be available to work the stipulated 40 hours a week because, well I am not well enough.

    Have the govt been challenged on the way they have split IB/ESA into a dual NI contribution based support group and income based WRAG benefit (after one year) ?

    There’s only a one in thirteen chance of a DWP decision maker not agreeing with the atos medical score in the claimants favour. Ref. another site where a question was asked of the DWP under the freedom of info act.

    Why do atos have the power to repeatedly make claimants who successfully appeal attend a merry go round of medicals until they kill themselves Or die (sometimes).

    Is it true that an unholy triumvirate of DWP DM , atos and the Tribunal share info before an appeal because the Tribunal have the ‘most up to date’ info available and therefore the DWP and atos are forearmed and prepared for the appeal because they know all the claimants new evidence and submissions in advance.

    Apologies for my random thoughts and questions, having that diabolical medical has fired me up.

    Yours sincerely

    DeCam

    Comment by Anonymous — March 28, 2012 @ 8:32 pm

  136. Hello Anonymous.

    You can take anyone you like with you, but they will not be allowed to speak, all questions will be directed at you.
    And the questions will all concern the descriptors you are contending and how your illness prevents you from working.

    So concentrate on the descriptors, that’s the key, some support in the form of a GPs medical report would help as well.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 28, 2012 @ 9:11 pm

  137. It’s all a scam Anonymous to trick us out of our benefits, the jobsworth will run to the ATOS DR all right telling him/her how you said you can walk down stairs.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 28, 2012 @ 9:14 pm

  138. Hello DeCam.

    Yes he will pass it on all right, he will be tripping over himself to get to his master to tell him all about it.

    Yes there’s a standard reduced amount and it’s called the assessment rate : £67.50 if you are over the age of 25.

    If you fail at the appeal you will not have to pay anything back.

    And if you do fail at the appeal then you have two possible choices sign on for Job seekers allowance which you will need to apply for because it is not automatic, or if you have a worsening of your condition or a new health problem then you can re-apply for ESA, one other stipulation is that six months have to pass when you were informed by the DWP that you were fit for work, since most appeals are taking longer than six months then I trust you can meet that.

    The challenge was weak and failed, they are going to do as they like.

    The chances of a Decision maker disagreeing with an ATOS DR are virtually zilch, I heard that 99% of decisions are rubber stamped without looking, they (DMs) complained to Professor Harrington that since they are not medical experts then it’s almost impossible to disagree with them, which means obviously that ATOS are responsible for your benefits, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise, they (ATOS) decide the points so they are responsible, the decision maker is a drone, programmed only to lift the rubber stamp and slam it down.

    ATOS have the power to do what they like because the Government have gave them that power, if the Government say/s stop…then they will stop.

    Your last question is difficult to say, they were definitely sharing information between them last year and they were caught, as highlighted by the benefit and work website, I don’t believe they have stopped it, just become more secret, the DWP have a massive advantage at the appeal because it’s difficult to check if the panel have even the same information as you, are you going to ask the panel if their information tallies up exactly with yours ?. Going through sheets after sheets when time is at a premium, don’t forget to ask a panel a question like that strongly suggests to them you believe they are in league with the DWP and ATOS.
    Even though it might be true, do you really want to ask them that ?, before your appeal has even started.

    I hope I have covered and answered your questions DeCam.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 28, 2012 @ 9:42 pm

  139. Thankyou dwpexamination for the answers.

    Is there anyone impartial at the Tribunal that can stand back and look at the claim more broadly or is it simply a points exercise again and they MAY help the claimant to gain 15 plus points?

    Is a Tribunal adversarial with parties for and against putting the boot in or is it more of a chilled out discussion of the nuances of a claim, ie will I feel as bad as I did when having the atos medical?

    Obviously it makes sense to appeal as you get paid up to the appeal but if I felt I could not endure the Tribunal could I withdraw my appeal without having to repay the money so far received or would I be punished for not going through with it?

    I want to get the ESA 85 report from my medical would I be able to ask for it now a few days after I had it and should I phone or write to DWP and is it my local job centre or the office a few hundred miles away that deals with my ESA claim. Any alternative to the 0845 call?!

    Would I be right in thinking the esa85 will have the points awarded if any and from that I may deduce in advance whether my claim will be disallowed if under 15 points, before I get the official decision in a months time approx.?

    Should I also request a GL24 appeal form in advance, just in case or would that antagonise them and seal my fate!?

    Thanks!

    Comment by DeCam — March 29, 2012 @ 10:11 am

  140. Am I right in thinking after some further research that the ESA 85 report does NOT contain scores itself only descriptors that I could marry up with prescribed statements on DWP Descriptors?

    Am I right in thinking the DWP decision maker awards the points using the atos medical ESA 85 and compiles a form ESA 65 which details points awarded and for which descriptors?

    Presumably the ESA 65 can only be requested AFTER the decision letter arrives from DWP whereas the ESA 85 can be requested STRAIGHT after the atos medical?

    Thanks.

    Comment by DeCam — March 29, 2012 @ 11:54 am

  141. Hello DeCam.

    The tribunal is a points exercise again, each panel is different, because each panel has different personalities with different agendas, one panel can be known as hanging judges amongst welfare rights officers, and others are looked upon as more fair, which one we get depends on the luck of the draw, I’ve had both in my time.

    Putting the boot in is not recommended, better to act as if you are the most stupidest person who ever lived, remember they are superior to us, and don’t forget it, so play on it then and use it to your advantage..!!

    Yes you can give up anytime you like (You won’t have to pay anything back) but it will be noted by the DWP (WIMP) and from then on you will be a continual target, just like the Bully in the school playground, except they will be the Bullies.

    As soon as your medical assessment is finished you can request in writing from the DWP that you would like a copy of the ESA 85 and the score sheet. They will not supply it, but continue to delay it until you are informed by the Decision maker whether in their opinion your fit for work or not.

    Asking for a GL 24 in advance will do you no good because almost anyone can walk in to their nearest Job centre plus anytime they like and announce they are appealing a fit for work decision and could I have a GL 24 form please, not once have they ever asked me who I was or asked any security questions, getting a GL 24 form is easy.

    Your last question regarding ESA 85/65s ? as I said they will give you nothing until they decide and that’s almost always after you have been informed whether you are getting ESA or not..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 29, 2012 @ 12:28 pm

  142. Ok I was under the impression thay would send me the ESA 85 straight away!

    The ESA 65 is the Score Sheet?

    Thanks.

    Comment by DeCam — March 29, 2012 @ 1:03 pm

  143. just been told av to be reasset because iv had a opperration as i filled my questtionaier in so will it go againest me. as to what they award me jsa or esa

    Comment by steve d — March 29, 2012 @ 1:25 pm

  144. Hi DeCam.

    As I said they send nothing except a letter saying you have been found fit or unfit for work, anything after that you need to ask for yourself, and that includes asking for the assessment rate if you decide to appeal, you don’t ask they will give you nothing and pay you nothing, if you ask their advice they will say ‘Just go and sign on’.
    I believe the ESA 65 is what they (DWP) call a disallowance notification.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 29, 2012 @ 2:43 pm

  145. Steve.

    Sorry but I just can’t understand your question, could you explain it a little better ?…Thanks.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 29, 2012 @ 3:08 pm

  146. Dwp told me they can not make there deicision on me because when questionare was filled in by me i had already had hop on my knee which i think it went ok but it didnt so they now say they may call me or contact doctors for more info,is there a time limit to all this and can they keep me waiting as long as they like it seems other difficuties dont matter such as cant move left harm very good lower back dics crumberling numnous in rihgt leg lots of other problems but it doesnt seem to matter is this there way off telling me i got to go for a medical.

    Comment by steve d — March 29, 2012 @ 7:33 pm

  147. Hello Steve.

    You can do a couple of things to get them moving, first write the DWP a letter and explain that you feel you should be entitled to ESA because you have filled in the questionnaire and explained that you have other health issues as well. They should at least let you know where you stand.
    You should also contact your nearest welfare rights or CAB, preferably welfare rights if you can get them and explain your situation and ask them for help and advice.

    If you have just had an operation on your knee, how would you know if it went all right ? are you a Doctor ? No I presume, so what in gods name are you telling the DWP that you are all right ? why are you making life difficult for yourself ? tell the DWP SFA, nothing, zilch, you tell them your health issues and if they want to assess you then that’s up to them.

    Telling the DWP information you don’t need to tell them is asking for it Steve, they are not there to help you, they are there to take your benefits away from you, so tell them what they need to know and no more..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 29, 2012 @ 9:59 pm

  148. I think it’s unfair to stop your ESA cos u feel ok and fine In. Your self on your assessement but no. One knows how u are. Feeling no one understands. What. U going through each. DAy and. Night u. Up. And happy. One day the. Next day u low and down in. Tears in the world of your own and. U think. Bad. Things. In your. Head. And u. Feel. No. Ones there. For u se times u have mood. Swings u don’t why u can’t think. Things at all some. Time u. Feel. U would be better. Off. Not living. As u feel worthless in people that’s. All I can. Say. Your sincerely. Carolyn miller

    Comment by Carolyn. Miller — March 30, 2012 @ 9:01 am

  149. Hello Carolyn.

    As you know that’s one of the reasons for ESA, which is to give you all the help you need to get you a job, but besides one measly interview (My experience) that’s not happening, ESA seems to be a quick stop gap until the next assessment where they deliberately fail you so that your forced to go through the whole horrible appeal system all over again.
    The sick and disabled are looked upon by the Government as cash cows for corrupt private corporate companies like ATOS healthcare who BY LAW have a duty to see their shareholders are looked after first.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 30, 2012 @ 9:52 am

  150. when i first got IB ihad to av a medical to get some money out of a private penstion this also proof that i am ill does this stand for anything at atos medical.

    Comment by steve d — March 30, 2012 @ 7:49 pm

  151. As far as ATOS and DWP are concerned diagnosis of a condition means nothing. Entitlement to benefit (ESA and DLA) depends on how the condition limits your daily activities, which is what you have to inform them in filling in forms or show in a medical. As far as this government is concerned many people have disabilities and work full time therefore, the rest of us can.

    Comment by Beth — March 30, 2012 @ 7:55 pm

  152. i have to attend my very first medical assessment tomorrow and am terrified they will say i’m fit for work because i can string a sentence together. I have bipolar disorder so there are times i’m running 100mph and could handle 3 different jobs…….and then theres the depressive side where i cant even function to wash etc. Right now i havent washed or changed my clothes for 3 weeks. I live on cereal and if it wasnt for my laptop i’d probably be dead cause i email samaritans a lot. Having read some of the other posts it seems if i admit i can use a computer then i am capable of working. I was diagnosed when i was 19 and i’m 34 now. I managed to cope and was very successfully self employed. However, the reason i was able to cope is that i self harmed. If i was getting too stressed it would ground me ans make me feel in control again. When i say self harm i dont mean a few cuts here and there, i would burn myself so the pain would calm me down for longer. I used to say i had a skin condition to explain the state of my hands and because of my happy,friendly manner nobody suspected i was actually selfharming – to the point that i have one hand and arm covered in scars and the other hand i burned so badly i had to have a skin graft. Good news is although the urges to selfharm are still there i have managed not to do it for around a year…..but only because i was so depressed last year it would have been too much effort to kill myself never mind hurt myself. All this aside please could someone tell me if i should reveal this info…….the only time i am safe is when i’m asleep so i buy lots of psychiatric med online like sleeping pills, valium, lorazapam etc. I get these meds from my psych too but the dose he gives me just isnt enough which is why ive resorted to buying online. Im aware there could be anything in the but that just reflects that i dont care cause it would be a relief to die. Should i admit this cause i guess i’m addicted to prescription meds. i would love to return to my self employed job but i know that right now i’m nowhere near well enough to do so. Do i admit that i am so desperate i have to take .meds i buy online just to get through the day? I’ve tried to killl myself 5x this year alone and never told a soul so i’m not attention seeking. It seems like God just wont take me. Do i admit about buying meds just to get me through the day or would that just make them stop my benefits so i couldnt buy them? Please, please someone answer cause my appt is at 9.10am tomorrow.

    Comment by helen — April 1, 2012 @ 2:31 pm

  153. Hello Helen.

    The short answer is yes, admit everything that is affecting your health, tell them about your self harm, make sure you tell them everything, if they stop your benefit it will not be so they can stop you from buying them.
    If you fail the assessment then you can appeal and get the assessment rate, we can show you how, and we can show you each step of the way, you can log in here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and get loads of help, just think up a username.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 1, 2012 @ 3:55 pm

  154. thank you for replying to my message. I guess i’ll just go and hope for the best. Whenever i go to my gp or psych i write down how im feeling cause i find it too hard to talk. Could i do this with them and then answer anything they want to ask me after that. I really do find it so hard to admit i’m unwell out loud but i can write well and certainly admit things id never get out my mouth. Or would they just think if i can write so clearly etc theres nothing wrong with me???

    Comment by helen — April 1, 2012 @ 6:08 pm

  155. According to atos..if you can use a laptop.or watch tv.you dont have a mental illness….eg depression…sad but true.

    Comment by rachael — April 1, 2012 @ 6:18 pm

  156. Hi Helen.

    You can certainly write down how your feeling and hand it over, I don’t remember or recall or know of any law or rule that says you cant.

    Anyway your talking as if the person you are going to see is some kind of god or something, they are nothing of the sort, in fact most of them are scared of their own shadows, most of them are terrified to do home visits, not only are they moral cowards they are physical cowards as well.

    Never bow and scrape to these people just go and explain your health problems or write them down whatever suits you…not them, and get it over with, I went for an assessment today it lasted 20 minutes and I left, there was no problems, if you do get any issues it will be when the DWP send you the brown envelope.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 1, 2012 @ 7:30 pm

  157. I have the ESA 50 form too fill in. I posted before, but i have another question. I have Chronic Pancreatitis/depression/panic attacts/IBS/Liver disease, also i am an Alchoholic..
    When i take a bad Pancreatitus attack, i am in bed for 5/6 days, not able too walk/eat or really get out of bed. I sleep sitting up in the fetal position (that’s if i fall asleep).

    When filling out the form, should i fill it in as if it was my ‘worst’ day or just like i have mild symptons which i get every 3/4 days?
    I cannot travel on public transport because of my IBS & nerves. I have only left the house once this year & cannot speak on the phone or talk to other peaple.

    Can you help please?

    Comment by Anonymous — April 1, 2012 @ 11:55 pm

  158. Hello Anonymous.

    That’s the recommended procedure, fill it in as if it’s your worst day.
    You will have two roads you can possibly go down now, ask for a home visit or go to the face to face.

    No one can tell you which one you should choose, the face to face has less problems but the demand for a home visit has certain issues attached, and here they are, the first thing you will find is that they will ask you to get some kind of proof from your GP that you should have a home visit, if you can provide that then you will find they will send you a letter demanding you attend an assessment at their centre anyway or lose your benefits, if you refuse and still insist in a home visit then another letter will arrive in the future which will say something like ‘You did not attend your assessment at such and such a date therefore you are no longer entitled to benefits etc’, then you send another letter saying you asked for a home visit and have already sent on the proof that you need (Which they asked for) from from your GP, then another letter will arrive saying you have the right to appeal if you think our decision is wrong etc.

    And on and on it goes, the only reason you would ask for a home visit is if you are paralysed and cannot walk at all or at deaths door, anything else leads to your worst nightmare, benefits stopped, having to appeal to prove you need a visit at your home rather than a face to face etc.

    It’s all designed that way to totally put you off and force you to attend, of course if you just can’t go then you can’t go, it all depends on how much hassle you are willing to take, some people have done it and got the domiciliary visit but you really have to be in a bad way if you are willing to go through all that just to avoid a face to face.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 2, 2012 @ 9:47 am

  159. I went for my Medical assessment in August 2011, and you guessed it I scored NIL points. I also suffer with anxiety and depression and Fibro Myalgia, I have not been out of the house for 2 years, because of the pain and anxiety I suffer. I was in a terrible state during the examination, telling the NURSE I was having a lot of pain, which she completely ignored, and most of the time I was in tears because of the anxiety I was feeling. When I received my brown envelope, telling me I had failed and read the NURSES report, nothing was said about the pain or anxiety I suffered on that day. My Employment Support Allowance was stopped straight away. Needless to say I appealed straight away, so I was put on the lower rate of ESA and had 7 months of waiting for my appeal to be heard.. I attended my hearing on the 26th March 2012, and again my anxiety levels were sky high, and I sat in front of the appeal Judges shaking and crying, but answered their questions to the best of my ability. I received their decision within 10 minutes after the hearing and they had awarded me 27 points saying I was not fit for work, but placed me in the Work Activity group what the DWP had asked for if they found for me. Result…. you would all say, but think again, because the day after winning my appeal, I received a phone call from the DWP telling me since January of this year because of the new reforms the Government have rushed through, anyone claiming ESA for 12 months and in the Work Activity Group will have it stopped. I had just reached the 12 months. Because my Husband (can I say the word Husband now), has a works pension, I am now not entitled to claim anything, because it is more than £125,50 a week the Government say you can live on.I have worked for 35 years paying tax and national insurance into the system, and it means nothing. This Country is a joke and its going to get worse…. So Good Luck to everybody.

    Comment by J Lucas — April 4, 2012 @ 1:07 pm

  160. I so sorry this has happened to you, all that stress for nothing.. The people who have worked and paid into the system are the ones being penalised because they are the easy targets. My view is they should be getting the people who have claimed for 10, 20 and even 30 yr with no checks or medicals, it’s easy to do a database search for those people. They are the ones who have abused a system with no checks and before everyone has a go at me, I personally know many people who have claimed I.B for that length of time and are perfectly able to do some type of work, some actually do do some work (cash in hand).

    But then some of these people are the ones who continue to abuse ESA, by throwing a temper tantrum during the medical they are automatically deemed unfit, sadly as with DLA it’s the genuine who are suffering.

    Comment by Beth — April 4, 2012 @ 1:22 pm

  161. Hello Jackie.

    The DWP must feel proud of themselves, they have got you into the WRAG and they knew fine well what that means.
    I hope you had some representation at your appeal ? you can still ask the appeal tribunal for a statement of reasons, and get help to see if they have broken the law in some way (Appeal on a point of law) if so then you can submit an appeal to try and get in the support group, 27 points is a lot of points to give someone and then stick them in the Work related activity group.
    You have absolutely nothing to lose and you may even gain, so as I said if you didn’t have a representative then get help from welfare rights or the CAB and see if you can go down that road.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 4, 2012 @ 1:46 pm

  162. went to cab last week march 2012 they made a call for me to find out what group im in if they could, because its been 7mths since questinaire was filled in and sill no anwser cab were told it will be delt with when they can,is this right.

    Comment by steve d — April 4, 2012 @ 5:54 pm

  163. Hello Steve d.

    No it’s not right, 7 flippen months ? it’s out of order that’s what it is, what did the CAB say ? and I have to assume you believe you should be in the support group ?, is that correct ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 4, 2012 @ 7:27 pm

  164. cab was disapointed they av taken so long and av requested to get involved with my case and yes my self and doctors agree i should be in support group.

    Comment by steve d — April 5, 2012 @ 5:07 pm

  165. Hi Steve d.

    There’s no excuse for having you wait all that time, it’s an absolute disgrace, it just shows they can do what they like with no accountability to anyone.
    Could you keep us updated, It would be interesting to see what explanation they manage to think up..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 5, 2012 @ 5:43 pm

  166. Are CAB appealing to the upper tribunal (formally commissioners) on your behalf. In order to do this you need someone experienced in this area of advice and law.

    The DWP can only appeal against a Tribunal’s decision, if the Tribunal make what’s called an ‘error of law’. You have the same rights as the DWP if you think a Tribunal has erred in law, and it applies to all benefits, not just ESA.

    WHAT IS AN ERROR OF LAW ?

    The basic rules are outlined in Commissioners decisions R(A) 1/72 and R(I) 14/75 in turn based on the principles stated in Global Plant Ltd v Sec of State for Social Services (1972) IQB

    A decision of a Disability Appeal Tribunal, Social Security Appeal Tribunal, or a Medical Appeal Tribunal may be erroneous in law if :

    1) there has been any breach of the rules of natural justice ( loosely meaning ‘fair play at work’)
    or
    2) there has been a failure to comply with the requirements to record in writing adequate reasons for the decision and relevant findings.
    or
    3) it contains a false proposition of the law ex facie ( on the face of it)
    or
    4) it is supported by no evidence
    or
    5) the facts found were such that no person acting judicially and properly instructed as to the relevant law could have come to the determination in question.
    or
    6) Technical error. This sixth ground is NOT covered by the R(A)1/72 etc grounds.

    Generally, it could be summaried as a technical or proceedural error, a breach of the statute or of the regulations.

    Hope this is helpful.

    Comment by Beth — April 5, 2012 @ 5:55 pm

  167. yes i will keep you updated and cant wait to here my self they will get there own back in a medical and take my money away.

    Comment by steve d — April 5, 2012 @ 6:43 pm

  168. Cheers Steve d.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 5, 2012 @ 9:51 pm

  169. Hi, I wonder if you can help me. I have been claiming esa for 12 months in May and just had a letter to say it would stop at that time. I was successful on my first medical assessment and granted esa straight away. I have never claimed benefits before and, when I got a letter in November, they told me I was on work related esa, I really didn’t understand what that meant until now.
    I have degenerative joint disease and have suffered long term depression since the death of my son and sister, and also post traumatic stress since my home was broken into and I was attacked. At the medical assessment I went to I was extremely upset as I find it very difficult to go to new places and talk to strangers. Also, as I explained to the doctor, my brother in law had committed suicide the day before. I obviously wasn’t aware really what was going on.
    I rang the benefits line and they said to write a letter and ask to be put on the support group instead of work related but that I had probably left it until too late. Is this true? Do you think there is any possibility of them putting me in the support group at this stage?
    I am very limited in what I can do physically, can’t walk far, need help getting in and out of chairs, etc. I also suffer very badly from depression and anxiety and have, in the past, had counselling on three occasions and been referred to a psychiatrist for suicidal thoughts.
    Please, please could you advise my best course forward. My mood over the last few days has plummeted and I am scared this situation will draw me right back down in depression again.
    Thank you
    sandra

    Comment by sandra — April 6, 2012 @ 9:22 am

  170. Hello Sandra.

    This is one of the traps that we have been trying to highlight, now you see what they have done, when they granted you ESA and put you in the WRAG without a fight it wasn’t for your benefit, because if you are on contributory ESA they knew if you don’t appeal straight away to get in to the support group then how can you appeal in the future and justify it.

    The point is, if you appeal now when your year is up, it looks to the world that the only reason you are appealing is to avoid the time limiting.

    Obviously if you appeal now then you will be asked why did you not appeal before ? well you have a reason, which you have just explained in your post, you are suffering from Post traumatic stress disorder, and on top of that the various upheavals you have went through left you in no condition mentally to even begin to understand what an appeal was or what it meant, I believe the special circumstances rule 35(2)(b) under (non functional descriptors) should have applied in your case.

    So In my opinion the best course is to contact your nearest welfare rights or legal aid office that deals with benefits (They are all in the phone book) and explain the situation, also explain to them your health issues because it’s important that you have a reason for appealing to get in the support group now.

    Let me recap, for anyone out there who is in receipt of Contributory ESA and have either been for the functional assessment and been granted ESA work related, or just as importantly been told they are entitled to ESA work related without a face to face assessment, then beware, they are not giving you ESA for nothing because there is a trade off, which is, Contributory work related ESA is time limited to a year and it is retrospective.
    A lot of people just can’t grasp this and understand what it means.
    So their idea then is to grant you ESA, but not the support group but the WRAG because if you get the support group your ESA is not time limited to a year, but the WRAG ESA is time limited to a year, of course a person who is seriously ill and receives the WRAG ESA may be just glad they are getting something, and decide that appealing to get in the support group is just to much hassle, that’s what happened to Sandra, but didn’t realise how important getting in to the support group really is, but the truth is as you can see now it’s a TRAP.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 6, 2012 @ 10:44 am

  171. Thank you for your reply, that’s really helpful. I understand now why they were so nice! I only ever had one work related interview, 2 weeks after the assessment. The lady told me not to bother applying for jobs as my health was so bad and advised me to try for DLA. To be honest, at the time, I just couldn’t face any more stress. I lived off my savings for the first year of unemployment to avoid having to ask for benefits, stupid I know.
    Anyway, thanks for your help and I hope this will highlight the problem for someone else and they can avoid the trap
    sandra

    Comment by sandra — April 6, 2012 @ 11:46 am

  172. Hi.

    we have just scored nil points on an atos medical- the question asked were not the same -The health care professional that hel saw on the 24/02/12 – Was to say the least robotic and did not really interact with him well –I personally had to ask her to refrain from saying –I understand after the 30th time of hearing it became patronising to say the least, I felt because we were of reasonable intelligence and queried some questions that we were seen as troublesome.My partner has had wrist fusion on his right hand and now has really nasty arthritis in both and hands and shoulder. he has difficulty doing any tasks without pain -takes lots of tablets and sleeping pills. We noticed that no questions relate to pain caused by doing any of the tasks – again any repetion on moving the empty box would result in pain. what next ?

    Comment by jmk27 — April 6, 2012 @ 7:31 pm

  173. Hello jmk27.

    It’s not unusual to get zero points at an ATOS functional assessment that’s bog standard, people hobbling in on crutches have had zero points, so don’t worry about that.
    By the way didn’t you know we are not supposed to ask awkward questions ?, we are supposed to be real dumb and act real slow and just take what’s coming to us ? of course you wont because you are going to appeal, take the assessment rate (It’s the same deal as job seekers allowance) and win that appeal and get all your money they owe you backdated.
    You can start by asking the DWP to send you on the ESA 85 assessment report, the GL 24 appeal form as well as the score sheet, study the ESA 85 and get that appeal in, they give you a month, also ask for the assessment rate, if you don’t ask they don’t give.
    Don’t forget to contact welfare rights or the CAB and get the best professional advice out there, they may even represent you at the appeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 6, 2012 @ 8:44 pm

  174. I am kinda hoping they will catch my friend out, It makes me sick cos i suffer badly with bipolar and i have refused sick pay…however there are those out there who literaly cannot work but myself i feel working makes life more bareable. Anyways my friend every 3 months goes to the doctors gets his antidepressants claims he cannot do anything then goes home with his sick note in hand. I go up there and notice he dont take his meds wich he admits to and he is always online talking to people wether on facebook or online games (he told dwp he cannot talk to people as he would get violent so avoids it) then he is in his garden gardening (he has told dwp he cannot even do small chores himself and his garden is a big garden) and then he goes out drinking and to gigs socialising(again this goes against the whole talking to people because he would get violent and also he told dwp he rarely goes out because he would kill people). Well anyways this gets me mad and reading all the above had made me realise some of the lies he must be telling ontop of what i have catched onto. He does not know i know the extent of his lies b ut other people eg my boyfriend have noticed it without me having to say a word. I am currently trying to get him to go to job interviews but a grown 39 man…throws a tantrum and says no. Fair play but im 24 and i am in full time work and i am more ill than he is even making out. He aint ill at all….he aint taking his meds and he goes out like a normal person…Any ideas how i can get him to actualy come off the sick? I just dnt think its fair people who really cannot work like some people i know are being forced too because of people like my friend faking it.

    Comment by claire — April 7, 2012 @ 11:36 am

  175. That’s simple; Report him to the benefit fraud line (link below) and if he continues to get away with it, it proves the extent of lies he’s prepared to go to or it proves you don’t actually know exactly what’s wrong with him.

    Also, I take it your friend is still receiving I,B, which has went unchecked for to many years, this is why there’s so many unhappy people, they’ve got away with it for to long and now that’s being cracked down.

    On the other side of the coin, because medicals for ESA is so stringent many genuine people are getting caught in the trap and losing benefits, plus people who have always worked and paid into the system are only entitled to contributions based ESA for 12 mth and the 13 week plus assessment phase is counted in those 52 wks. Totally unfair to people who have worked all their lives and now find themselves sick/disabled.

    Link removed by dwpexamination management

    Comment by Beth — April 7, 2012 @ 12:06 pm

  176. We have a neighbour just like that…gets her partner to push her around in a wheelchair…she claims she cant walk or use her arms.yet ive seen her scale a 6ft fence.bounce on a trampoline.clean her windows.run about the back garden.she also claims for her kids.claiming they cant do nothing for themselves…they can manage to play on all the play equipment they have.paid for by the tax pauer.they survive on a mesly £600+ a week….amazing..yet i was turned down

    Comment by rachael — April 7, 2012 @ 12:18 pm

  177. I think we all know people like that. Yet for some reason we don’t report them and as it’s confidential I wonder why we don’t?

    Comment by Beth — April 7, 2012 @ 12:28 pm

  178. Hi Beth, Whilst I can appreciate your anger and concern that someone may be defrauding the system I have removed the link you posted for the following reasons

    1 We are not psychic and do not have X-Ray vision and because of this it would be unfair to report anyone on suspicion alone.

    2 If we do make a report it affects the person we are reporting immediately and may cause further stress leading to self harm or worse.

    3 The Government have their own methods of investigating fraud and we should leave it to them after all they are the experts.

    4 This blog and our sister forum dwpexamination.org are here to support the sick and disabled and as such will not be assisting the Government to fight fraud when they are already doing their best to tar everyone with the same brush.

    So Beth, please try to understand why I have taken the liberty of removing your link. You hit the nail on the head when you said ” medicals for ESA is so stringent many genuine people are getting caught in the trap and losing benefits”, lets not add to that total prematurely. I also ask you to remember one day you may find yourself disabled and wondering which one of your neighbours shopped you! especially if you felt you were genuinely ill.

    The war we are in affects us all and here at dwpexamination we want everyone to be given a fair test, we have never denied that and we also want to see those who commit benefit fraud punished to the enth degree and all the money tay took paid back. So we are not condoning benefit fraud, but are equally against jumping the gun

    Nelson

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 7, 2012 @ 12:46 pm

  179. Hi Rachael, I take it you are a victim of the present system? tell me which benefit did you apply for and why were you denied it? I am concerned because you are quickly condemning your neighbour and her children and if what you are saying is true how come she and her kids got past the all seeing eye of ATOS Healthcare or the walking talking medical dictionaries the DWP use to deny DLA. I ask you to think and if you can answer my questions before you continue to condemn your neighbour and her offspring. Remember this Government is relying upon people like yourself to denounce their neighbours, they want you to do this so they can remove any further chance you have of benefits further down the line. All I ask is you think carefully before you fall into the trap of the Daily Mail readers of this world and start believing the propaganda the con dems spout, after all, its you they want to rob and by doing their bidding you are cutting your nose off to spite your face.

    Cheers

    Nelson

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 7, 2012 @ 12:52 pm

  180. Well Beth, its simple. Its because we are Human beings and have empathy with our fellow creatures. We are aware that the person we are about to condemn a scrounger may well have an illness we cant see or understand. We don’t do it because there is a small voice way back in our minds yelling “it could be you” but being drowned out by the mist and noise of anger. Lets just take a step back and think what we would do if it was us or one of our children? would we be so quick to make that call or visit that link on the web? I think not

    Cheers

    Nelson

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 7, 2012 @ 12:56 pm

  181. Hi Claire, you are doing the right thing by not reporting him. I know it seem counter intuitive but you dont know what mental illness or disability he has. This Government is the worst Government Britain has had in centuries, they are attacking the sick and disabled daily and it will not stop untill we stop them. They are passing changes to the NHS and Welfare systems which only affect those who need the help of either most. They are about to condemn you and your children to a life of hell if they get the chance and will do so if we let them. This is why you should not report your friend, annoying it may be but untill you have absolute proof this matter must be left to the Government who have their own experts in fraud.

    We are not Doctors or mental health specialists so it would be grossly unfair of us to report someone for something we are not even qualified to do? Leave it to the experts Im sure they will get around to stopping his benefits soon, after all no one seems to be passing the ATOS test since the “improvements”

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 7, 2012 @ 1:03 pm

  182. For information I am disabled and have been through the system, I was awarded 15+ points at assessment medical and placed in the WRAG, reassessed after 8 mths and placed in the support group without a medical so my contributions based ESA continues. Yes I was lucky or am I sick/disabled with poor quality of life?
    I’ve also worked despite disability for DWP and seen first hand the fraud that goes on, sadly without information from the public or expensive investigations (at tax payers expense) these people continue to get away with it to the detriment of the genuine….. and yes I am very angry at this.

    Comment by Beth — April 7, 2012 @ 2:36 pm

  183. Hi Beth, We have spoken a long time ago and you have made your point. The reason this platform and our sister forum exists is to give those who are victims of the underhanded tactics ATOS and their DWP paymasters have adopted and are applying to those of us, like you who have legitimate reason to claim welfare benefits.

    Our war is with these two perpetrators of legalized fraud who appear to be unaccountable to no one. I can take your view on board and understand how you feel, however, I am not going to condone shopping a neighbour. The reasons are simple, first this is what the Government want us to do and secondly because I can not personally say I know of one person who is illegally claiming benefits. That does not mean they arent, I just do not have sufficient evidence to support doing that.

    So rather than shopping my neighbour I just prefer to let the Government do their own dirty work.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 7, 2012 @ 4:14 pm

  184. I’ve just been kicked of ESA after being on it a year and failing to attend three of these ATOS meetings.

    I simply refuse to attend as they’re not qualified medical practitioners or even trained in mental health; that being being my issue – I’ve most likely got bi-polarity, ADHD and OCD. I’m awaiting the results of an initial mental health evaluation but put it this way I’m not fit for work as I’m likely to snap the neck of the first person to bother me, I’ll probably want to hug them after when I feel guilty but I don’t manage things as well as I did for most of my life. I’ve always been like this but till a year ago I’ve always supported myself and been in control.

    My moods are insane, I can go from feeling amazingly creative and spending hours on the piano making stuff up then other times I’m feeling like I want to destroy the world and I’m breaking inanimate objects. It’s not good and I wouldn’t employ myself in this current state; that said I’ve been an employer, ran a business, paid staff, managed them and myself as PAYE, NI contributions from an employers side and even corporation tax when we were making a profit, not to mention VAT every quarter, always on time too.

    I love my creative side and hate my dark side, the Dr wants to put me on stuff based on fluoride which is a no-no to me as I know that would dumb down my creativity and I’d rather die than lose that. I’m not taking Prozac or anything that’s based on fluoride.

    So, for me right now they’ve left me with nothing except a little council paid rent (and a deficit), all because I point blank refuse to see someone who isn’t a Dr about my condition as it’s akin to taking your car for it’s MOT at the hairdressers and getting a hair cut down the garage. Whilst we’re at it let’s take our cat to the bakers and see if there’s any nice cream cakes down the vets. It’s a stupid situation.

    I’m angry that I’ve paid so much into the system, contributed over a million pounds to our economy and am left with nothing.

    I’ve appealed their decision to sack me from ESA, that could take nine months I’ve been told. I’ve reapplied for it this morning and have been told I’ll need to see ATOS before they pay me. Not happening when I know with all certainty they’ll fail me. My only option right now is to take out a crisis loan, so I’ve got no cash and it isn’t looking like there’s going to be any coming in soon and now they want me to borrow fiat currency that doesn’t exist, isn’t backed by anything and can’t ever be paid back. Not by me and not by the way the financial system works. I just want some of the tax money I paid back till I’m back on my feet and firing on all 8 cylinders again.

    I might have no option but to mug a weed dealer for their stock, take over their turf and make cash by being part of the black market. There’s a higher morale ground doing that than working for ATOS and other than selling my anal virginity I can’t think of any other way to make ends meet. I don’t want to but they’re forcing my arm and taking away all my other options.

    I’m really not well, my moods and energy are all over the place, I try to do too many things at once like juggling ten balls and end up dropping everything. It isn’t that I don’t want to work, hell I do, I miss having a £4,000 take home each month, I miss having the esteem of knowing I made that myself, I miss my pride in work and miss the social aspect of working too. Shit, I even miss being able to moan about paying corporation tax and VAT plus look down my nose at those on benefits (d’oh. pride, fall, karma) but I’m just not fit to get out of bed sometimes, can’t sleep due to high energy levels many nights, get anxious, stressed and have such negative thoughts of self-loathing.

    Thank you Government for looking after me as well as you have done. You’ve honestly inspired me to think about being a career criminal through dealing weed. I’d rather be back on my feet contributing to the white economy but if they’re going to kick me whilst I’m down and offer me no help at all now I’ll take my focus to the dark side and make sure they never get another penny of income tax from me as long as I live.

    PS if you run this site the JavaScript resizing of this text area can best be described as fucking annoying!

    Comment by Angry former contributor to the economy — April 10, 2012 @ 11:47 am

  185. Hello and welcome to the blog Angry former contributor to the economy. Most of the good folks here are just like you Angry former contributor to the economy. We were angry 3 and a half years ago when we started this fight with the DWP. we are sick to death of this Government and ATOS and it is our goal to put both out of business at the earliest possible opportunity. We have been here a long time and know the system well, we like people to come here and vent their spleen, comment or just visit. Hell we hope they all join our forum too and continue to help us with the good fight over at http://www.dwpexamination.org so I would just like to welcome you in a civilized manner and to inform you that your use of Java script to read our blog is not my fucking fault OK!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 10, 2012 @ 4:24 pm

  186. Hahaha well said DWP. On a serious note, is everyone that has too fill in the ESA50 form called up for an assesment?

    Thanks

    Comment by Anonymous — April 11, 2012 @ 2:01 pm

  187. Not everyone but most is what we are experiencing, I would give the most possible information on how your disability affects your functionality at work on the ESA50 and back that up with solid evidence from your medical expert. The more evidence you provide the more difficult it is for them (ATOS) to deny you sufficient points to retain your benefits.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 11, 2012 @ 6:08 pm

  188. Bloody dictators, stop giving benefits to asylum seekers etc and giving methadone to drug addicts, when cancer victims are denied medication due to funding, now disabled people are victimised, do they think I enjoy crippling pain every second that’s made me attemp to take my life, great Britain is a joke I want to work yet my spine is in operable at 40 years old if fixed I’d go and work and have a life again!

    Comment by Magpie — April 12, 2012 @ 12:12 am

  189. I have now been kicked off Housing Benefit and sent a bill for over £1,700 demanding I pay back rent of they take me to court.

    I am not well enough to work, have been told my appeal has been rejected as I failed to attend a medical examination by someone who’s not a fully trained GP. I am not seeing anyone about my health who is not fully trained, anything but is stupid.

    I am fucking livid and this is having a seriously retrograde and detrimental effect on my mental well being.

    They’ll give money to immigrants, I didn’t care about them before but I do now, smack heads get money, fucking foreigners get money, work shy fucks who don’t deserve shit get fucking money.

    Where’s mine? C^^ts.

    Comment by Angry former contributor to the economy — April 17, 2012 @ 11:44 am

  190. Just a little update after having come off the phone to my GP, a real proper, fully trained GP not like the soulless bastards ATOS employ and he’s referring me to a specialist now as my psych nurse suspects I’ve hypo-mania, bi-polarity and ADHD.

    There you go folks, if you lose your ability to work you get shat on from a great height and get NO HELP AT ALL.

    Mental health issues, ahh get back to work or just die will you – that’s how I feel the Government is treating me.

    Comment by Angry former contributor to the economy — April 17, 2012 @ 12:44 pm

  191. please stop the c…t word appearing on blogs we are all upset and rightly so but there is no need for it thanks

    Comment by steve d — April 17, 2012 @ 12:51 pm

  192. just updateing you nearly 8mths gone still no action from dwp about which group i gpt to go into even after they contacted doctors and hospital about me.

    Comment by steve d — April 17, 2012 @ 12:56 pm

  193. I understand you are angry, Angry former contributor to the economy we all are and can express ourselves wqually well if we try to self moderate. Please feel free to vent your spleen that why we are here but please remember we have a couple of younger readers. I cant be any more fair than that my friend.

    I edited the c word by the way, first time ever I think. Could be wrongthough because we have been fighting ATOS and the DWP for nearly 4 years now and are making headway.

    Nelson

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 17, 2012 @ 3:22 pm

  194. I know and its difficult but you must remember this is not personal, they treat every one of us in the same dreadful way. Once you grasp this concept you begin to realise it is all a big game and ATOS are simply using every tool available to them to get 1 million off sickness benefits by end of 2012. They admit themselves they can not meet the parameters of their contract with the DWP yet our Governmant continue to pay them 100 million quid a year. Its a disgrace and we are fighting them every inch of the way.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 17, 2012 @ 3:30 pm

  195. OK Steve we are all a little uptight too and it can take time to get used to self moderation. We do our best though so bear with us.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 17, 2012 @ 3:31 pm

  196. This is becoming more common, you could consider contacting your jobcentreplus to see why you havnt had a decision?

    Nelson

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 17, 2012 @ 3:32 pm

  197. thanks for your time you always give us your best.

    Comment by steve d — April 17, 2012 @ 6:03 pm

  198. I av they just told me to wait they also said there is no time limit and will let me no when ready.

    Comment by steve d — April 17, 2012 @ 6:05 pm

  199. hi folks,got a phone call from ESA saying i had no points after my ATOS medical, and would have to come off esa ,and would have to sign on…I have neurological nerve probs ,and am in pain most of time,knees arms tingling fingers ect.i explained to the HCP that i have an op to take a disk out of my neck and the recovery time is about 6 wks.to no avail..i have worked for 37 yrs and paid all my NI ??? WHAT A PLACE THE UK IS.better off being a waster!!

    Comment by Colin — April 17, 2012 @ 6:59 pm

  200. Hi Colin and welcome to the blog, it would be great if you could give us a bit more information ie time line of events etc so we can help. To begin with though based in what you have told us. You dont have to sign on for JSA at all, if you appeal the atossers decision which I hope you do you can call your local jobcentre, ask for a GL24 form tell them you are appealing the decision and request to be put on the assessment rate. This is the same as JSA and you get to keep any rent or council tax rebates you may be getting. Did you get the name of the person who said you had to sign on for JSA because he or she need to be reported for maladministration, they are lying.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 17, 2012 @ 8:42 pm

  201. wow, all that was very eye opening. I have just had to fill in another DLA1A and have been ‘told’ I shall have to attend a medical. On my form I would like to put down that I do comp’ work for local youth group rather than sitting doing nothing, but, if I do will they then say I am ok for work? I do this in my own time and it is never for any length of time.
    Some of the ailments I have are to embarassing to discuss and I am dreading having to tell them and write it down. Help please.

    GrannyB

    Comment by Sandra Brown — April 18, 2012 @ 1:29 am

  202. Hello Sandra.

    Well when you appeal you will need to tell the appeal panel your ailments so better to get it over with at the ATOS assessment because if you don’t tell them straight they will use it against you by omitting it from the assessment report, they use everything against you by the way, the very fact that you can walk there on your own initiative they will and always do use that against you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 18, 2012 @ 7:58 am

  203. just sat here reading all the questions …. its like a questionaire joke book’ yes i experienced it , was a real interigation 1hr 10 min i was in there for, my mum came in with me and we tried to tell the woman/nurse whatever she was about past events when we were told with a dissmisive hand gesture ( she put her hand infront of mums face and said STOP!! i only want to know what hapopened in the last 6 weeks anything else prior to that is irrelivant … she said !! ive stated this in my appeal letter as ive been sick for 20yrs not just 6 damn weeks ) ) talk about rude. now my mum is a strong woman unlike myself even she felt belittled , after going through the usual q’s she then started asking me what music i liked to listen to …… what the hell is it to do with them what music i enjoy ? it was a total invasion of my privacy and im so angry i have been to a few over the 20 yrs of been unable to work usually only takes 15 min then out , she seemed nice at the begining …. trust nobody is my moto now especially the gov …. nosey b******s … rant over :)

    Comment by steffi mae — April 19, 2012 @ 8:31 am

  204. My IB50 form was completed and sent in before the closing date in nov 2011, didn’t get asked to do a medical (as yet) because of my condition..still had no word of decision…it’s a very stressful time, you feel quite powerless.

    Regarding comments above about benfit fraudsters, I know of someone who is taking the P out of the system, having got away twice with fraud because of hotshot legal aid lawyer is still lying and claiming IB and DLA I know this for a fact because they boast about it. They get much more money than me, have a better quality of life than most people working and struggling to make ends meet..It’s partially because of people like this why genuine claimants are being hauled over the coals and subjected to the Spanish Inquisition!

    Comment by Eponoymous — April 19, 2012 @ 2:14 pm

  205. @Nelson, Apologies for my post requiring an edit.

    I’m not being assessed by ATOS as they’re not fully qualified general or psychiatric practitioners, therefore they’ve cut everything off. Appealing takes months, I’m not reapplying either. If they’re going to treat me like this then I’m vowing to get back on track and reinvent myself.

    I feel fortunate that I have a valued skill set I can sell, I just need to get my focus and energy levels balanced which with hypo-mania is always a challenge and the problem in the first place……

    Good luck folks.

    Comment by Angry — April 19, 2012 @ 2:58 pm

  206. Received my requested esa85 medical form.
    It says Prognosis. I advise that a return to work could be considered within 3 months.

    If the DM agrees with atos does that mean my benefit will stop when DWP inform me of their decision or in 3 months?

    The atos nurse said I have occasional thoughts of suicide. I did not and have never said this in any circumstance. I would like to have the record corrected. Is this feasible?

    There are other untruths in the report which I shall address at my appeal. I’m assuming the DM is going to withdraw benefit.

    Comment by DeCam — April 19, 2012 @ 3:04 pm

  207. Don’t worry, all that means is they will review you again in 3mths. If the DM place’s you in the WRAG and you feel you should be in the support group you can appeal that decision.

    The medicals reports of almost everyone are full of untruths and assumptions, this is why so many people are winning their case at appeal.

    Comment by Beth — April 19, 2012 @ 3:11 pm

  208. Thanks Beth. Does that mean I would need another medical in 3 months or that I MIGHT be put in the WRAG? So there is some hope I haven’t lost benefit?
    I haven’t got the points awarded yet so was assuming I got no points. If I indeed got no points would it have said can return to work immediately?

    Comment by DeCam — April 19, 2012 @ 3:47 pm

  209. Thats OK, just keep posting we are all willing to help and support you through this.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 19, 2012 @ 3:56 pm

  210. This is quite serious and must be taken up with the manager of the centre you attended. Saying someone has suicidal thoughts without supporting evidence is dangerous and this person should be suspended from practicing now. Please complain immediately.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 19, 2012 @ 3:58 pm

  211. Also said I had thoughts of self harm, I don’t and never have.

    Is it the manager of the centre or atos itself I should contact?

    Is there one overall manager of the centre? Don’t want to write to the wrong person.

    Should I tell CAB or my MP?

    What might I realistically expect to happen if I complain, can they amend my report? Do they film the medical to back up my complaint can he just say well he did say it?

    Comment by DeCam — April 19, 2012 @ 4:25 pm

  212. Is it the manager of the centre or atos itself I should contact?

    You should write a letter of complaint to the manager of the ATOS centre you visited, you do not need his name simply address your letter as private and confidential, the centre manager then the address

    Is there one overall manager of the centre? Don’t want to write to the wrong person.

    Yes there is

    Should I tell CAB or my MP?

    Lets deal with one person at a time that way life is a little easier

    What might I realistically expect to happen if I complain, can they amend my report? Do they film the medical to back up my complaint can he just say well he did say it?

    ATOS should investigate and send their findings to you, if the answer is not what you expected dont be surprised tell us and we will advise on the next stage of the complaint. Either he did or didnt say it, if ATOS have covertly recorded your assessment and provide this as evidence it simply means wer can do likewise and covertly record for our selves and use it as evidence the sword is double edged

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 19, 2012 @ 5:34 pm

  213. Dwpexamination thanks for your advice.

    I have just found an atos comments complaints booklet I picked up from the centre and it outlines atos complaints procedure. There is a form at the back of the leaflet and it says to send it to customer relations manager atos Otley road lawns wood Leeds.

    So my question is to send my complaint there, Leeds OR as you said before to the manager at my local assessment centre?

    Not trying to be difficult but want to make them take my complaint seriously.

    Comment by DeCam — April 20, 2012 @ 11:57 am

  214. OK one more time, I am suggesting you write to the manager of the centre you were assessed at because he is the person responsible for the actions of his staff, not some unknown pen-pusher 300 miles away. The reasoning behind this is to have the maximum effect upon the person who allegedly assessed you. Your complaint is about them and you want them to know you have complained and the only way they are going to find out you have complained is because their manager will have to interview them and thus tell them a complaint has been made. The object of this exercise is to make the life of the liar you saw an absolute misery, you want this bozo to fell sick to the stomach every time he crosses the threshold of ATOS offices. They have put you under intense stress and pressure, lied about you and your state of health and you should;d have justice, let them see what its like to have the worry and stress you have suffered. If you do decide to follow the directions in the ATOS guide then the likelihood of the alleged HCP ever knowing you have complained is limited because it will probably disappear along with other critical mail. Hope this helps and good luck with your complaint, keep us posted.

    Cheers

    Nelson

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 20, 2012 @ 12:47 pm

  215. Ok thanks I needed to know the reasoning and now I will write the manager of the office I attended.

    I’m not normal I have to get things as straight as I can before I do anything.

    Comment by DeCam — April 20, 2012 @ 1:56 pm

  216. Youre welcome

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 20, 2012 @ 4:26 pm

  217. Hi, sent my form away today. I am confused as to what they can put me on if i have to attend an interview. Is IB done away with now?

    Comment by Anonymous — April 20, 2012 @ 5:02 pm

  218. Hello Anonymous.

    Not sure what you mean ? what form do you mean ?, do you mean the ESA 50 Questionnaire ? or the GL 24 appeal form ?.
    Yes IB is being done away with, everyone is being assessed for ESA now.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 20, 2012 @ 5:25 pm

  219. I had my medical today in Exeter, it was as great as I thought it would be. I have suffered with depression/anxiety and panic attacks since my teens (I am now 34) due to childhood abuse and later in my life, rape and an attempt on my life by an abusive partner. I am also diabetic and suffer with sciatica. I only started getting treatment for my mental health illnesses in my late 20′s and I now have doctors saying I am schizophrenic or have borderline personality disorder – they are currently treating me for the former as I exhibit more signs of it but at present they are unsure which I am afflicted with. I went along for my medical today, after an awful night involving vomitting through fear and a nasty bout of self harming. I had nobody that was able to go with me to the assessment and as per ATOS’ instructions, I took a bus there, which took all of my strength and I actually was sick again on my way to the bus stop. When I got to the centre, I was a wreck, shaking all over and sweating buckets. The receptionist was really nice and polite and I was seen very quickly. I was taken into the room with the ‘healthcare professional’ where I was asked about all of my meds (this took a long time as I take a lot of them). He then asked me all the questions he felt relevent to my illnesses, including a short physical to see how my back pain restricts my movements. I explained that the sciatica comes and goes and yet he wanted to poke and prod at me, which I refused as I cannot bear the thought of being touched by men. He was quite happy to accept this. The questions about my lifestyle had me in tears, rocking back and forth, pulling at my hair, hurting myself with my nails to deal with the questions he kept firing at me. I am dreading, seriously dreading the results. I am grateful for all of the information posted here as I know I can appeal if I don’t get enough points but the stress of all of this is putting me so close to the edge, I am scared I will go over and try to kill myself again.I have an 11 year old son who is my carer, he is registered with a young carers group locally, that offer support to children that care for ill parents and though I can’t bear the thought of leaving him alone, but this whole debaucle of an assessment has really knocked me sideways. I have no support from my family as they all live too far away, we are on our own here. Just thinking of having to go through appeals is making me rip my hair out literally. I feel so sorry for all of the people who have genuine illnesses that are knocked back by ATOS – the guy I saw today couldn’t have been more robotic if he tried. He upset me so much that at one point I started shouting at him and thought I was going to hit him. I don’t have any idea how this is all going to pan out now but I forsee a battle. I just hope I am strong enough to fight it. Thank you for all of the information you have posted here, it’s really helpful. Good luck to everyone with their assessments xx

    Comment by Jesse Bear — April 20, 2012 @ 8:44 pm

  220. Hello Jesse.

    If the worst comes to the worst then make sure you get help from your nearest welfare rights office or CAB, have you contacted MIND they can help as well, you can also get lots of help here as well http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 20, 2012 @ 8:49 pm

  221. Hi there, I have not contacted MIND, i wasn’t aware that they could help that way, thank you for letting me know. I have a good team of people on my side that I think could help me if I need to appeal, social worker, psychiatrist, GP etc. Thank you very much for the advice, I really appreciate it and will have a look x

    Comment by Jesse Bear — April 20, 2012 @ 8:53 pm

  222. hi ive just came across this site,i ont understand much about this,,i have been on esa,for i think near 3 yrs i didnt have an assesment but was unaware that i had 2.i have been to the job centre interviews at the begining,i still send in medical cert,still to date,i dont understand whats happening with me,i suffer from psorasis and arthiritis,depression an anxiety,i didnt no there was differnet groups,maybe i havent been placed on a group yet,but there is something i think i read,in a letter about work related,i dont understand so if anyone can help me no where,i am at this stage i wud greatly appreciate

    Comment by rose — April 20, 2012 @ 11:51 pm

  223. There are a few more physically orintated trick questions posted here you might like to add to your list.
    http://tia-junior.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/wca-underhand-questions-be-on-your.html
    The first one appears in the WCA Handbook, the others are not so formally documented and DWP will not confirm or deny their use. Worrying is that Decision Makers are encouraged to be “proactive” (sic) and develop their own decision making criteria, which simply adds inconsistency to all of the other flaws.

    There is also the matter of the “hypothetical wheelchair” that is beyond belief – see http://tia-junior.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/more-wca-dishonesty-foi-confession-from.html. This is deemed a perfectly legitimate approach by Atos, sanctioned by DWP – it too appears in the official WCA Handbook.

    It seems however that neither Atos nor DWP use Voice Risk Analysis (“Lie Detection”) software on their phone systems.

    Comment by tiajunior — April 21, 2012 @ 6:09 am

  224. Hello tiajunior.

    Thanks for letting us all aware of another DWP dirty trick, I’ve copied and pasted it here because a lot of people don’t look at links (Even though they bloody well should) I have to tell you that on our forum http://www.dwpexamination.org a member called Bert has just won an appeal, he doesn’t use a wheelchair but was asked if he did have a wheelchair then did he think he could propel it ? and how far did he think he could propel it ?, so you can see the tribunals might have seen the injustice and have been issued guidance but all the same are in on this scam, they have been told to ask this question and if the claimant doesn’t answer it in the correct manner they will not be eligible for ESA.

    More WCA dishonesty – FoI confession from DWP

    When assessing mobility within a WCA, Atos HCPs are allowed to recommend the use of a wheelchair to improve mobility (if they think it will do this) for someone who does not normally use one. They can do this without any specific discussion with the claimant or their GP. They are not however allowed to recommend treatment – make sense of this if you can, but as unbelievable as it is, it is true. Decision Makers are allowed to do the same thing, without specifically declaring it to claimants – all the claimant is told is that for mobility, they have scored (say) zero points.

    This methodology was introduced in March 2011, presumably with the approval of Professor Harrington and is dishonest to say the least, as the claimant is not made aware of this trick before, during or after their WCA.

    Through appeals, the courts have seen the injustice and dangers of DWP’s approach and have issued guidance. From this FoI request, it appears that DWP thinks it is outside of the law and can ignore the advice.

    http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/wheelchairs_assignment_by_dms_no

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 7:56 am

  225. Hello again tiajunior.

    There’s a lot of great information on your Blog and with your permission I would like to put some of it on our forum http://www.dwpexamination.org, it will be credited to you and your Bog of course and your link will be available beside everything.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 8:05 am

  226. Hi. Thanks foir asking, but feel free, that’s what it’s there for. I don’t have the patience or the expertise to set up or maintain the brilliant websites that you guys do. If it helps, when I add something I usually tweet it too (https://twitter.com/#!/Tiajunior). I often have more than I post, so always happy to clarify/expand if helpful.

    Also occasional pieces at
    http://helpmeinvestigate.com/welfare/the-work-capability-assessment-audio-recording
    http://helpmeinvestigate.com/welfare/why-doesnt-the-dwp-collect-data-on-the-accuracy-of-decision-making

    I have used FoI extensively and have just about learnt the knack of making DWP squirm a bit. I think it is invaluable on the basis that an admission from them is a lot more powerful than an opinion from me. Sooner or later they will hang themselves.

    Comment by tiajunior — April 21, 2012 @ 11:20 am

  227. hi has anyone any thoughts on my question number 223 thanks

    Comment by rose — April 21, 2012 @ 11:42 am

  228. Yes, I have experienced firsthand the deception of what I now call the “hypothetical wheelchair”, which is given “legitimacy” in the WCA Handbook. My scenario was even more underhand. There was absolutely no mention of it during the WCA, but I did notice an unexpected, rather random comment on the ESA85 about my ability to use one, but thought little of it. Then I was awarded the inevitable zero points and ended up on the phone with a senior Decision Maker ironically called Mr Wright! It was only after repeatedly pressing on his mobility assessment, that he explained how he had arrived at it. It was one of the few occasions in my life that I have been literally speechless.
    Worse still, once I had gathered my composure, I asked him how he had reflected this on the 2-step question on the ESA50, which I had said I could just about manage on foot, but would be a bit more difficult in my new wheelchair. He insisted that he could rely on my answer, so not a problem. I then took him through the practical scenario – wheelchair to the top of the stairs, jump out to get down the stairs and continue with my journey. But hang on; the wheelchair is stuck at the top of the stairs so now I am stranded. Believe it or not, he could not see the nonsense with this and held his ground that he had acted completely in line with DWP requirements.
    I have a number of FoI requests in and around this subject to expose how contradictory, dishonest and unrealistic their approach is and will summarise in due course. I cannot imagine Prof Harrington would support deception, but do not know if he is even aware of it. I am working on a route through the barriers to him to make sure he is.
    Some descriptors were “updated” at the same time, notably the removal of any reference to bending & kneeling. This was justified on the basis of it no longer being a feature of the modern workplace. I have more on this for another time perhaps.
    Making DWP look foolish and vindictive is becoming increasingly easy, but we haven’t yet reached the threshold that will make them substantially change direction.

    Comment by tiajunior — April 21, 2012 @ 11:45 am

  229. Q223: Too much to cover here. Suggest you get to your local CAB, who are well up on ESA and have a good track record

    Comment by tiajunior — April 21, 2012 @ 11:49 am

  230. PS The really cynical view is that if you can get to a WCA, you must be fit enough to work!

    Comment by tiajunior — April 21, 2012 @ 11:52 am

  231. did you get my reply to 226 earlier – it doesn’t seem to be here?

    Comment by tiajunior — April 21, 2012 @ 11:54 am

  232. i dont understand to much to cover do u mean on this site or,,my question is to much??

    Comment by rose — April 21, 2012 @ 12:08 pm

  233. Hello Rose.

    It sounds to me that you have been placed on ESA the work related group, you could have been placed in the support group but you have to be in a really really bad way to be put in the support group Rose.

    Are you getting the full rate of ESA £95 odds a week ?. If so then I don’t really see the point in worrying until you are called for an assessment, you need to explain by giving more information Rose because we don’t know anything about your health issues.

    For instance you could be house bound and cannot get out ? you could be having an operation soon etc, you could be on Contributory ESA as opposed to Income related ESA, yes it can make a difference to your future depending which one you are on, if you tell me which one you are on then I can explain the difference.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 1:25 pm

  234. tiajunior.

    Ok thanks for that, will stick your link beside them, if everyone was like you then maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess, there’s far to many people who can help a little but sit around doing nothing, they just go to various Blogs and forums and suck up all the information that’s on them and their attitude is thanks for the help BUT I’M ALRIGHT JACK NOW.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 1:29 pm

  235. Hello tiajunior.

    Yes got it, 227.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 1:38 pm

  236. hi thanks for your reply,,about 3yr ago,i was on IS,they said my youngest child turn 14,i has to aplly for esa,i did, they said i had to go 2 interviews,i did,,i was getting 65 odds a week,for the 3yrs,till about few weeks ago now i am getting 95 odds it went up,,it give me a big letter telling all my payments from 2010 i dint unerstand it,,i didnt go to any assesment at all..my disabilites are depression anxiety psoratic arthiritis and psorasis,thanks

    Comment by rose — April 21, 2012 @ 1:46 pm

  237. If you have a pulse then according to ATOS twat care you are fit for work..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 1:47 pm

  238. ps i still have tto supply med notes from my doctor the last note was dec 2011 for 6 months,,

    Comment by rose — April 21, 2012 @ 1:49 pm

  239. Hi Rose. Re: 233 – Both really – there are quite a few alternatives based on all sorts of details, but dwpexamination has started you down the right path. Contacting CAB will give you the benefit of a face to face discussion with someone local, but there are plenty of people here who can still help with anything you might want to check out.

    Comment by tiajunior — April 21, 2012 @ 1:50 pm

  240. Hello Rose.

    I think they have forgotten about you Rose, you are the only person in Britain on ESA who hasn’t been asked to attend an ATOS examination, if I were you I would keep quite about it, if you start talking about in the local tavern, you might just start giving them ideas and next thing you know you will find a white ATOS envelope on your doormat one morning.
    In other words, just carry on living and let them worry if they have or haven’t called you for an examination, provided you are still getting your money that is.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 2:38 pm

  241. Extremely good advice!

    Comment by tiajunior — April 21, 2012 @ 3:09 pm

  242. thanks v much for reply,appreciate it,its very confusing,ill say nothing ,do u think they must think i went for it,,because my has went up to 95,,iam disabled,and rarely go out,,and just to say good luck to othersfor there assesment,ill keep watch thisve to site,becuz if they have forgot am sure,one day theyll realise,especially if i have to keep sending med notes in.my money got stopped in dec past i phoned them ,and they said it was becus my med note wasnt in.and i told them i didnt no it was due,and i told them i dint get a letter to say it was due,and the guy on the phone said am meant to keep track of them myself,which i thought was very rude of him,but got it sorted,,

    Comment by rose — April 21, 2012 @ 3:19 pm

  243. Hello Rose.

    Probably what’s happened is way back then they looked at your case file and made a decision to grant you benefits without you needing to go for a face to face, they do have a lot to get through these days so it’s possible you are at the bottom of the heap and just haven’t got round to you yet, long may that continue because believe me you don’t want to go for one of their fixed assessments, it’s heartbreaking when you get the brown letter saying you are fit for work etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 3:53 pm

  244. ano,,last nite i was reading comment for hrs,,and itd scary some stories and its despicable how they can treat people,like this,but its a great wee blog for people to rant,and people can share ,good luck all,

    Comment by rose — April 21, 2012 @ 4:07 pm

  245. Rose, I suggest you make an appointment at CAB and ask them to read the letter and explain it properly for you.

    It sound’s like you were put in the work related group without the need for a medical, having to go for interviews early on certainly suggests that. But, if you were only getting £65 and that’s went up to £95 a week and you have a 14 yr old son there’s something very wrong, there’s also disability premiums you may be entitled to.

    Also, you don’t need to send sick notes (fit notes) if you’ve been assessed, you need to show the letter to someone who can explain it properly to you.

    Good luck

    Comment by Beth — April 22, 2012 @ 12:14 pm

  246. hi beth thanks fo rur reply,,the letter was sent out few mths ago,telling about my income from 2010 upword,,i must of threw it out,,,my son isnt 14 now,he is almost 17,the reason why they said i had to go to esa becuz he turn 14 so that was sept 2009 so am receiving esa from then,its was i65 or so,now its 95,th eletter only showed different rates of money,,it didnt say anything like i am pleased to inform u etc.ithe sick notes i have been giving them frm the begiining they said at the beginning,i need to send those,in ,they always sent me letters telling me they nearly expire,and if i dont said them my money wud be stopped,

    Comment by rose — April 22, 2012 @ 1:30 pm

  247. Hi again Rose I appreciate you won’t want to rock the boat (so to speak) but I still feel there’s something wrong with this and you need a benefits check from someone experienced in benefits at CAB.

    It sound’s like someone’s told you to come off Income support and claim ESA 3 yr ago, if that is the case you should have been getting the higher rate of £95 ages ago and would have been entitled to benefit for your son while he was in education. In my opinion someone has gave you very bad advice and you need to check this out.

    If I’m correct in my way of thinking, DWP may in fact owe you quite a lot of money. I’ll happily apologise if I’m wrong.

    Comment by Beth — April 22, 2012 @ 1:56 pm

  248. i think,,ill go to CAB,,but again,i have no letter maybe they can phone,,i feel very stupid,not knowing what am claiming for,thanks beth much appreciate ur help

    Comment by rose — April 22, 2012 @ 2:59 pm

  249. It doesn’t matter about the letter, if you know how much money your getting put into the bank, they’ll be able to do a benefits check to see if your getting everything your entitled to. Or like you say they can ring on your behalf and check.

    Once again, please do go and check and good luck.

    Comment by Beth — April 22, 2012 @ 4:39 pm

  250. I am due to to have my ATOS medical assesement in severall days ,and i am very cross that after reading this forum it seems that the disabled who really need help ,are being punished for fat sods who play golf and claim thousands when they are ok .
    Iam a 40s man married who worked for 22 years as a scaffolder and who through my own fault and not taking the right responsible choices ,didnt wear stafety gear , i fell and severd my leg ,after 12 operations and over 165 stitches ,i have to get my wife or eldest son to put my shoes on ,even help me on and off the toilet ,and iam a proud man who is a shadow of my former self ,but the one thing i have always had no one will ever ever get the better of me ,after 4 1/2 years iam very close to getting my law degree which i have done through hard work and lots and lots of help .
    I will go to my ATOS assesement with a digital reacorder and my wife ,i will ask them 2 questions to every one they ask me , i will before i go in prepare myself ,as i would ask any so called medical person to spend 6-8 hours with me when my moods swing in ,when i sulk,when i lash out ,when i need some pain relif for my leg at 3 in the morning ,or when iam alone in the house .
    Reading about ATOS has made mre angry and i think we have taken to much

    Comment by Antoias Fuccilio — April 24, 2012 @ 10:39 am

  251. Antoias, whatever you do, do not lose your temper. You might like to ask your Healthcare Professional precisely what type of work it is that they are assessing you to perform – it always stumps them.

    If you tell the HCP that you intend to record, it is difficult to predict the reaction you might get – they have the right not to participate, so your appointment might be rearranged. Atos themselves can provide a recording facility if they have enough notice – give them a call and tell them this is what you want. If they need more than a few days notice, they should have warned you and might have to delay the date.

    Recording secretly is not (as DWP sometimes hints) illegal as long as it is for your own private purposes. Personally, I’d try first to get them to record – they cannot refuse.

    Comment by tiajunior — April 24, 2012 @ 10:58 am

  252. I undestand what you are saying ,but unlike most people i would love to work ,and you no what i will but i will not collect supermarket trolleys ,or pick litter .As i have said i am an educated man who will not take the crap or the wool pulled over my eyes ,why cant a disabled person be angry, do i have to get my wife or my health care worker fight my battles no way .
    As i have said look at the fat people who have abused the system playing golf doing work on the side they have done it to the system working in bars in spain whilst claming benefits yes its true .
    Iam going to be really blunt if its a bit strong ok ,iam not going to go in there and be fXXXXD up my arse ,i have to much respect for myself to take it .

    Comment by Antoias Fuccilio — April 24, 2012 @ 12:24 pm

  253. Disabled people have the right to be as angry as anyone else, but just bear in mind it will not help your case.

    So you are aware, you will be assessed against the vague idea of “general work” i.e. completely non specific and they are not interested in your profession, whatever it might be.

    You need not worry over your final point. Examinations are often very superficial and do not usually include a prostate check.

    Comment by tiajunior — April 24, 2012 @ 12:32 pm

  254. Iam sorry if i come across as an angry person ,and have a very good realationship with my doctor and my physio who both talk to me as a person,its just having freinds who i have got to no through disabled groups locally all seemed upset and sadly very put on ,its just my genes ,i hate bullies and dislike any one questioning my honesty ,maybe its being at home to long and doing a law degree which at times has taken over my life .

    Comment by Antoias Fuccilio — April 24, 2012 @ 12:44 pm

  255. Hi Antoias,i would ask for your interview to be recorded…i recently had my second atos checkup.when i recieved the report back,it was full of lies, contradictions and complete rubbish…she stated i had refused the medical examination,when in fact she had told me she wasnt going to do one as she could she i was in pain…the list went on and on…i of course made a full complaint to them,just got a letter back,basically saying i was a liar and a full investigation had taken place and it was my word against hers….im in the process of appealing for ESA (again)…these people are paid by the government to fail you…end of – good luck to all..we all gonna need it :)))

    Comment by rachael — April 24, 2012 @ 12:56 pm

  256. Being born deaf i have a lovely top of the range digital recorder which will be on the momment i enter the room ,its so small it could be a wallet ,i am doing this to protect myself ,and help everybody after me ,the digital recorder was mentioned to me by my own doctor , and after reading this foroum it makes me more determined .
    The one thing i will do is afterwards through my daughters facebook page load all the recording ,
    my freinds thinks its a bit james bond ,its just a shame no newspaer wants to help us

    Comment by Antoias Fuccilio — April 24, 2012 @ 1:11 pm

  257. Antonias…
    Most genuine disabled people who are able to, have been demonstrating in London and other areas outside of ATOS offices. Sadly there appears to be a news blackout and very little if any information about the demonstrations are shown on TV or even picked up by mainstream media publication.

    As has already been stated, ATOS assessors are not interested in you medical condition/disability, they’re assessing how that disability affects your daily life and whether you would be able to (if given support) do some type of paid work. An example would be: Someone who’s in a wheelchair could potentially do data entry in an adapted office, therefore fit for some work, or working on the paydesk in a shop/supermarket. Someone who’s deaf could for example pick up shopping trollies or rubbish in a supermarket carpark, therefore fit for some work with assistance. This is the basis of ATOS medicals and Health Care Assessors are trained in disability only and NOT in the various conditions in fact even GP’s are not trained in all illness’s/disabilities they just have a basic understanding of said conditions.

    I understand everyone’s anger at ATOS but it is in fact, the government who have pushed ahead with this, even though the computer program used is NOT FIT for PURPOSE and they’re pushing ahead with changing DLA to PIP (personal independence payments) with the same type of system!

    Comment by Beth — April 24, 2012 @ 3:44 pm

  258. ok beth i understand what you are saying and 20 people from a group of disabled freinds are in london ,including 2 blesma guys from recent conflicts in iraq, look out for them with a large banner ,
    Look i would love a job ,and when i have my law degree i will end up helping in cab unpaid but its problebly the only job i will get .
    I had a part time job at m&s last christmas i loved it ,but i felt it made them look good ,and when a disabled person came in the store i was called to help them

    Comment by Antoias Fuccilio — April 24, 2012 @ 4:48 pm

  259. Beth, I agree with you that prime accountability sits with DWP and in a sense criticism of Atos is misplaced as they are just fulfilling their contractual obligations. However, this is no excuse for poorly performed WCAs, insensitivity and a culture that is incapable of identifying its own process failures as well as playing lip service to customer service.

    Comment by tiajunior — April 24, 2012 @ 5:38 pm

  260. Well after really giving me 24hrs of me time ,and careful reflection ,ithink i will go in exremly calm ,polite and answer the questions given ,but sadly its in me to ask why iam being asked such a question .
    I have nothing personal against ATOS and if we as disabled are honest to many people who are nothing more than scum have made it hard for genuine disabled people

    Comment by Antoias Fuccilio — April 25, 2012 @ 10:46 am

  261. Morning Antoias, Great to read you’ve calmed down and reflected on the situation, I do agree with your sentiment of lashing out at the person in front of you. Sadly these people have been trained in using an inappropriate computer programme and medical assessment, my feeling is if they were honest they’d probably agree the medical is absolutely a waste of time. Also as you say it’s NOT getting the people it’s meant to off benefits, it’s a system penalising the genuine disabled/chronic sick community. It’s those people I really feel sorry for, the stress of these changes/medicals is in fact affecting many peoples already chronic health condition. I know the stress made me a lot worse and increased my pain much more than what I normally have.

    Comment by Beth — April 25, 2012 @ 10:57 am

  262. Do you no i have never ever suffered from stress ,i went through my working life with out regard for anyone bar myself ,and now with a leg that looks like a shark had a feeding frenzy i only get cross with things i should be doing ,not the the things i have done ,does that make sense .
    You no i went to a pain and stress club run by local nhs and made some real 100% freinds people if iam honest years ago i would not have given the time of day ,maybe doing my uni course has made me less stress full about my leg and somehow given my brain other thoughts .
    I have always been an agreesive person and i hate to say it even in a chair i wouldnt back off ,
    But its god to talk do you agree

    Comment by Antoias Fuccilio — April 25, 2012 @ 12:28 pm

  263. Hi again Antoias, it is good to talk and realise you’re not alone in this fight. I’ve worked in health and social care for over 20yrs (very stressful) but never encountered the kind of stress and hardship the current system is creating. While working with many disabled people who genuinely fought tooth and nail for everything, while others who were trying it on who, I refuse to work with yet they were the people who seemed to get away with benefit fraud.

    This is why I feel it’s essential our own GP’s/consultants should be the one’s who have the final say, after all we’re all different and the various conditions affect us all differently, while one person in say your’s or my situation may NOT be able to work another might relish the challenge of work with the right level of support. But which employer is going to recruit a person with a variable condition when there’s so many able bodied people out of work…. Unless, like you say it’s a tick box exercise?

    Do take your recorder to the interview and check the recording against your medical report… you’ll soon see why so many people are up in arms about these so called medicals and, perhaps your law degree will become useful in giving genuine disabled people the legal advice the desperately need.

    Comment by Beth — April 25, 2012 @ 4:03 pm

  264. after nearly 9mths of waitting DWP av put me in esa support group with out any medical i belive its because i got CAB involved they made phone calls for me and questioned why it had taken so long after myself sending all my medical history to them.

    Comment by steve d — April 26, 2012 @ 6:43 pm

  265. Hello Steve.

    Yes in all probability it’s because you got the CAB involved because if you hadn’t and just went on alone they would have thrown you to the lions.
    Anyway good work and remember sooner or later they will be back, so get ready to thwart their next attempt to deny you your rights.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 26, 2012 @ 8:32 pm

  266. Well done Steve and welcome to the world of the support group!

    Comment by Beth — April 26, 2012 @ 8:37 pm

  267. suffer a prolapsed disc , i have done for 7 years now, ive beenon esa for over two years , i had a recent medical and i felt she never examined me correctly, i took my diazepam before my examine, ive had a letter back saying expected change i advise that a return to work could be considered in 3 months in the shorter term….my condition hasnt changed im still in agony in my foot everyday and need to lay down…..do i need to appeal this? my dr has my report …thankyou

    Comment by lyn pearce — April 26, 2012 @ 9:23 pm

    Comment by lyn pearce — April 26, 2012 @ 9:31 pm

  268. Hello Lyn.

    What else did it say on the letter ? did the DWP inform you that you were fit for work ?.
    And your DR has what report ?, do you mean the ATOS ESA 85 report ?. If so I assume you gave him it ? and if so then you must have read it so what did the ATOS HCP say on there about your fitness to work other than a return to work could be considered in 3 months.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 26, 2012 @ 9:47 pm

  269. thankyou for getting babk to me, ive had this condition 7 years or more now, i sent in medical evidence mri scan , and drs letters 2 years ago, i was put in the wrag, i hadshaw trust visit me in the beginning, no i havnt been found fit for work just say considered, i am a little worried a i am in pain everyday with my l4 l5 disc prolapsed which radiates to my leg, the lady from atos healthcare made a few mistakes on my medical form which i have my dr photocopied…its a nightmare my condotion, i take diazepam to relax me with this problem, and i feel they stress me about all thism the system is so unfair, i receive lower rate disability too for my condition, do you think i need to go to cab about this ?? please get back thankyou lynette pearce

    Comment by lyn pearce — April 26, 2012 @ 9:55 pm

  270. i have to lay down every day as the pressure also builds up in my foot, i wont have an operation as im scareed and when i had a baby i had a dural tap, which put me off hospitals, ive broken my foot a few years back too, also defornmed my finger having a fall, overall my health is not good, and i feel pain in my foot everyday …atos healthcare need to look a bit closer at people not just assume thankyou lyn pearce

    Comment by lyn pearce — April 26, 2012 @ 9:59 pm

  271. im just looking one minuite..yes esa 85….its says may return to work in the shorter term….i dont understand this medical stuff but will see what i understand…prominent features she has a lumberprolapse shown mri a few years ago, l4 l5…..the pain radiates downthe right leg to the foot… epidurals,help by medicine, etc it just goes on…….when i was in the room having medical i had the pain in my foot and wasagainst the wall, because of the pain, whats going on???? last time i was sighned off for 12 months? thanks please get back lynette pearce

    Comment by lyn pearce — April 26, 2012 @ 10:10 pm

  272. nothing else was said just considered….and alot of stuff about my hand she said i fractured my hand when it was my foot these people do no lisen to disabled people its disgusting

    Comment by lyn pearce — April 26, 2012 @ 10:17 pm

  273. Hello Lyn.

    It looks as if the decision maker after looking at the evidence has decided to continue ESA at least for the moment, the fact that it says can be considered a return to work in so many months is normal because the ATOS HCP has to give an opinion on when that person may be considered ready for work and it’s normal because 3 months is the standard opinion, but the whole world knows that’s garbage, they even say people with terminal lung cancer can be considered for work in three months.
    So you don’t have to appeal against that (As long as you are not being found fit for work) because for the moment it seems you have a couple of months breathing space, but expect a white coloured envelope to fall on your doormat some day in the future for another medical and then it’s a wait to see if the decision maker is going to find you fit or unfit for work, if this is worrying you then a talk with a CAB expert can help, and that is what you should do.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 27, 2012 @ 6:42 am

  274. hello and thankyou very much for your reply i have been to my dr with a very strong letter reguarding all this because i am partially disabled and as i type still in pain , sometimes i get very cross that the fact i feel im disbelieved by these people, and my dr sees me and provides my medication all the time, the system is terrible i think putting disabled people like myself through this stress , its enough coping with my medical condition without this, this was my 4th medical…they can see me as many times as they like but i wish the same lady would see me instead of different medical people….thankyou for your help, lynette pearce

    Comment by Anonymous — April 27, 2012 @ 8:33 am

  275. yes i quite agree ill give it six mths but all your info helps.

    Comment by steve d — April 27, 2012 @ 8:52 am

  276. They must know how the atmos medical azsesment is not in any way relevant of geared towards anyone suffering wigh drhg or alcohol addicion. Just as the nhs now being my drug dealer apposed to oth uers. I know thst little or no thohght was given to assessing my addiction before agfeejng on what to supply me with every 2 weeks. I get a huge scrip and its rdmajndd thd same for years. Im also now addicted to dexamphtamjne which i wasnt before sms took over being my dealer

    Comment by Mark pugh — April 27, 2012 @ 12:46 pm

  277. Since being on esa and a maintenance script from nhs, sms depts, i am trapped in a cycle of poverty and drug taking. My life in effect is over and all i have for the futurebto look forward to is dieing

    Comment by Mark pugh — April 27, 2012 @ 12:50 pm

  278. Hello Mark.

    I hope you are going to appeal, because your chances of winning are high, you can get help here http://www.dwpexamination.org you can also get help from your local welfare rights office or CAB, these organisations are great, although busy at the moment so you need to be patient, but they can even represent you at an appeal, the main thing is Mark don’t give up, that’s what they want you to do.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 27, 2012 @ 2:14 pm

  279. are any of these so called psychiatrist who work for the dwp, a member of the (royal collage of psychiatrist)…i bet its no…the
    government i dont trust them one little bit…what are they like they still pulling the same old dirtys tricks again..there perfetic!! messing up people lives for votes…cretins

    Comment by james — April 27, 2012 @ 5:25 pm

  280. Hello James.

    They have been caught out before, calling themselves DRs and Nurses etc, now they call themselves disability annalysts. Remarkable eh ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 27, 2012 @ 5:59 pm

  281. Hi, I have got a ESA Medical Assessment coming up soon. I am very scared and terrified, this will be my first ESA Medical Assessment. I have got a disability where It’s very noticeable in public and people stare me at constantly, because of this I suffer from Depression/Self Esteem/Self conscious and Anxiety.I have also got a speech Impediment, as I was born with a Cleft Palate. I’ve read some awful stories on the internet about ATOS Medical, I am dreading it so much, what questions will they ask me? I requested for my medical to be recorded, as I was recommended to do so. My mum is coming with me for moral support and I don’t go to places on my own I do not know.

    Another thing My counsellor had discharged me last week, as she feel that she cannot help me anymore and see how I go for a few months. (I have been going for over a year now) Then I have to go back to my GP and asks to be referred to see a CBT Therapist, I have been going for over a year now, I am worry now that this will effect my ESA, my counsellor did write a letter for my supporting evidence along with ESA50 Forum. What shall I say at the Medical, If they ask me am I still continue with my counselling sessions etc. Thanks.

    Comment by ryan80 — April 28, 2012 @ 3:23 pm

  282. Hello Ryan.

    At the assessment they will ask you how your health problems affect your ability to work, they will also ask questions like how did you arrive there was it by car, bus, motorbike or did you walk etc.
    They will ask if you have hobbies, watch television, can you do your own cooking and other stuff like do you have you a dog.
    Now you may wonder for instance, what in gods name has owning a dog got to do with my functional ability to work ? the answer is if you have a dog this means you must take it for walks and means you are mobile, therefore fit for work, if you have a hobby say for instance building toy airplanes then you can work in a factory building toy airplanes.
    Every question asked is geared to your ability to work, no matter how innocent it seems to you, all answers are typed into a computer and when you leave the health care professional sends it by computer to the DWP, the DWP decision maker then is supposed to decide based on the report if you are fit for work or not.
    I am assuming you are mobile so the exceptional circumstances rule may apply in your case, I don’t know because I don’t know you, but get help from the welfare rights office or the Citizens advice they will look at your case file and give you the best advice.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 28, 2012 @ 5:39 pm

  283. A quick question. What if you told them you lie in bed all day doing nothing?

    Comment by Anonymous — April 29, 2012 @ 5:58 pm

  284. Hello Anonymous.

    I suppose they would think you were a lazy good for nothing..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 29, 2012 @ 7:00 pm

  285. I think they will understandably want to establish if it is true and why. If the impairment is so severe, I guess they will have to make a home visit, which can be arranged with Atos if necessary.

    The only aim is to ensure WCAs are conducted fairly. If there is any attempt to deceive on our part it will undoubtedly backfire and further fuel the benefit scrounger philosophy.

    Comment by tiajunior — April 29, 2012 @ 7:11 pm

  286. Q284 was a serious question. I just wondered what they would do. I’ve not even got an assessment coming up. Sorry.

    Comment by Anonymous — April 29, 2012 @ 8:08 pm

  287. If you wrote on the form that’s all you do due to ill health, they’d do a home visit and expect you to be like that for a medical. If your not and you don’t have a chronic condition you’d be deemed a liar and found fit for work and all benefits stopped immediately. Also, they’d question you about your ability to feed yourself and toileting/bathing needs and how you manage these tasks if your health dictates you lay in bed all day!

    Comment by Beth — April 29, 2012 @ 8:26 pm

  288. people who lay in bed like myself lazy and good for nothing………its to keep the pain away……….cheeky b……….ds

    Comment by Anonymous — May 1, 2012 @ 9:02 am

  289. Many of us have chronic pain from various conditions but we don’t lay in bed all day, any doctor would advise against that anyway. (You have to keep mobile to maintain mobility). The advice given is all good advice!

    Comment by Beth — May 1, 2012 @ 9:28 am

  290. Anonymous…You asked (A quick question. What if you told them you lie in bed all day doing nothing?) and I answered honestly, that’s what (If you told them) they would think if you told them you lay in bed all day doing nothing.

    You mentioned nothing in your comment about pain and that was the reason you lay in your bed all day, we are not psychic, so in future if you would like a question answered to suit you, then could you please at least try and stretch your hand over to the keyboard and express yourself better…cheeky b…..d.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 1, 2012 @ 10:35 am

  291. Q284 & 287 are from me. Not Q289. That is someone else.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 1, 2012 @ 12:12 pm

  292. Well my answer covers both of you, if you lie in your bed all day then people will naturally – rightly or wrongly – come to the conclusion that you are bone idle, it’s not rocket science..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 1, 2012 @ 1:15 pm

  293. I don’t wish to sound patronising, but I have to congratulate the host here for their patience & dedication.

    Comment by tiajunior — May 1, 2012 @ 1:16 pm

  294. I got 0 points from my dont give atoss medical and I got the appeal form today.

    Does anyone know if chances of success at appeal are drastically or significantly improved IF one gets help from CAB to prepare the appeal and to represent me at appeal? I’m thinking as its a bullying process that if you attend alone they think they can intimidate you?

    Also I will need to get ‘fit/sick’ notes from my doctor in order to claim the assessment rate of ESA whilst waiting for an appeal date. Presumably if a doctor thinks you are fit for work you can’t get the ESA ? I am not fit to work but I don’t know if my Gp will agree.

    Any idea the current times before appeals are being heard?

    Thanks.

    Comment by DeCam — May 1, 2012 @ 7:40 pm

  295. Hi DeCam.

    Yes the chances are massively improved if you get help from the CAB or the nearest welfare rights office, the statistics are saying if represented 70% are winning their appeals, so get in there.
    As for a sickline, yes it’s true if you want the assessment rate then you need to furnish the DWP with them until the appeal is heard, that could be at least 6 months or more.

    If your GP refuses and believes you are fit for work and you still disagree and would like to carry on with the appeal then the alternative is to sign on, this will not affect your appeal if you sign on, remember when you attend the appeal they will want to know about your fitness for work at the time you were informed by the DWP that your capacity for work was not limited.

    Plenty of people have signed on went to the appeal 9 months later and won, and therefore were fully entitled to ESA.
    If you think your GP is messing you around by refusing to give you a sickline for some other partial reason like he’s a staunch Tory or he is bitter and twisted and doesn’t like you for some other reason like you drink, smoke, take drugs it doesn’t really matter, you can leave the practice go to another GP and ask the reception if they will take you on as a patient, you do not have to explain to them the reason.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 1, 2012 @ 9:18 pm

  296. Thanks for your usefull reply dwpexamination.

    PS I have sent my complaint letter to the manager about the atoss false claims about suicidal thoughts and self harm in my murdical report and am awaiting a response.

    Comment by DeCam — May 1, 2012 @ 9:44 pm

  297. i went to cab and got put on esa support group with out a medical because i belive the cab made a big difference because they av the power of influance, use everything you can to fight the nomads who treat us like dirt with the cab they give it to them what the law is on benefits not what they think it is good look every one keep up the fight.

    Comment by steve d — May 2, 2012 @ 7:57 am

  298. Hello Steve.

    That’s why we always advocate contacting either the CAB or Welfare rights for help and hopefully representation at an appeal, even though they are busy they still make an effort to try and cater for all.
    We on this Blog are victims as well, we have been where you and the others are and we don’t want you to fall into the same traps as us, we learned the hard way (School of hard knocks) and can guide everyone on the right road, that alone can save a lot of time and heartache and eventually money.
    Remember Steve just because they have conceded the support group now doesn’t mean they will forget about you, eventually they will be back and it might mean a face to face assessment and then told you are fit for work, so it’s in your own best interests to understand and study what these people are trying to do, that way when the time comes you will know exactly what action to take and what to do instantly without any need to crawl around in the dark.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 2, 2012 @ 8:49 am

  299. Just wondering……..

    If found ‘fit for work’ after an atos assessment does that mean able to work a full week say 37 hours or does it mean could work say a couple of hours a week that might increase?

    Comment by DeCam — May 2, 2012 @ 9:03 pm

  300. Hello DeCam.

    It means a full week, that’s the full week, the whole week and nothing but the week..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 2, 2012 @ 9:11 pm

  301. This is one of the major flaws in the whole process in that there is no definition of what “work” means.
    DWP’s criteria is not this precise I’m afraid – they are vague and non-committal about what type of work, hours of work etc. – they just refer to “some form of general work”. They leave you to sort out the “details” of what you can and can’t do at your local Job Centre as part of looking for a job.

    Comment by tiajunior — May 2, 2012 @ 9:18 pm

  302. Hello tiajunior.

    They know what work means all right, they only know one version and that’s work for NOTHING, they are so desperate to start the big society that Cameron is always banging on about that hey will try any trick or dirty deed, and one of them is the withdrawal of benefits if you appeal a fit for work decision http://unemploymentmovement.com/forum/benefit/2434-changes-to-appeal-system-for-esa-as-of-april-2013 it’s beyond unbelievable, but true.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 3, 2012 @ 5:28 am

  303. I am aware of both of these changes, but did not think this was what the question was about.

    Comment by tiajunior — May 3, 2012 @ 6:26 am

  304. I’ve already answered the question, a whole week, and that leads us on to the reason for the DWPs (Government) telling us we can work while disabled or ill, which is the big society and Camerons vision of what the big society means, which is work full time for nothing, and that leads us to why they would withdraw your benefits if you decide to appeal a fit for work decision you see how everything flows naturally, but some people don’t understand that, maybe you and I were aware of these changes tiajunior, but it’s not just about you and me, there are other people who are not aware of these changes, I just think it would be a good idea to tell them about it, JUST IN CASE THEY ARE NOT AS WELL CLUED UP AS YOU AND ARE NOT AWARE OF THESE CHANGES.
    GOT ME ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 3, 2012 @ 6:45 am

  305. I was not aware of the above proposed change to ESA appeal money. Clearly the gov are determined to corall as many people as possible who are on ESA and are reassessed as fit for work through the Job Seekers Funnel if they want to get any money while waiting for an appeal at which point their appeals are undermined by the fact that the disenfranchised ESA claimant has now SIGNED UP voluntarily to be available to work 40 hours a week EVEN THOUGH they are ALSO claiming in parallel that they are NOT fit to work to get ESA !!

    Add to that the stalling mechanism of having to wait for a DM reconsideration that could take months before an appeal is made and it becomes clear that the gov wants to wage a war of attrition against the ESA claimant to virtually kill them off before they reach the final hurdle of winning at appeal as so many do.

    THEN after winning at appeal the grim reaper in the form of the Atos medical assessor reappears to start the whole process off again and it is clear that the gov are fixing the odds and destroying the spirits and bodies of the sick and disabled ( how long before we are called the ENABLED because we are still alive and they haven’t killed us off yet).

    Picking on the sick isn’t that what bullies do? This gov is using our money to persecute us for claiming benefits that you are only ELIGABLE for if you have paid National Insurance whilst working, denying those benefits and wasting lots of money in the staffing and implementation of this denial of entitlement.

    Comment by DeCam — May 3, 2012 @ 8:03 am

  306. Hello DeCam.

    Don’t forget that some people have signed on while they wait for their appeal to be heard, either through ignorance or just can’t wait for the assessment rate because they need money now, not when the decision maker decides to get his finger out.

    What’s to stop these overzealous DWP penpushers from denying you the only means of subsistence which is to sign on ? by saying sorry but you are to ill to work, well then we have the ridiculous situation where a person cannot get any money to live on while they wait for the appeal to be heard because they are ill, and cannot sign on for Job seekers either because they are ill.

    Is this Iain Duncan Smiths idea then of making work pay ? is this what he meant and planned all along, work or starve then die ?.

    This must be the most cruel and harshest British Government of all time.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 3, 2012 @ 8:57 am

  307. Ok Cheerio..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 3, 2012 @ 9:20 am

  308. Hmmm all sounds very bitter and twisted in places.. having worked for DWP I was never a pen pusher and worked very hard during my stressful 37 hr week. I’ve had to sit at my desk (with a disability and in pain) watching person after person came in claiming their giro hadn’t arrived and needing an emergency payment. Then heading off up to the post office and onto the nearest pub. Or the guy jumping out a van up the road with ladders on top, coming in to sign saying he’s never been working. All very sickening when I’m working with a chronic painful condition.

    Almost everyone I know is fiddling in one form or another and it’s absolutely disgraceful, these people are the one’s keeping very quiet when the genuine disabled and chronic sick being persecuted.

    Just for the record DWP…. deem more than 16hrs full time employment, and some people claiming IB/ESA have never worked in their life therefore, HAVE NEVER contributed and are not claiming what they’ve paid into the system, it’s because of some of these people, working people are now only entitled to claim contributions based ESA for a year if their in the WRAG.

    Comment by Beth — May 3, 2012 @ 9:38 am

  309. Heading of to the nearest pub ? you are sitting in there and you can see them all heading for the nearest pub ?
    And almost everyone you know is fiddling in one form or another ? well why haven’t you reported them ?.

    The DWP do not deem 16 hours as full time employment, don’t be ridiculous. You might have all those little Daily mail readers fooled, but you don’t fool me or the readers who have been stitched up by the DWP coming away with crap like that.

    Just for the record, if you worked for the DWP then you were a penpusher, anyway why aren’t you back working with the DWP then instead of whining about how you had it bad and it was all the fault of the guy with the van with the ladders on top who (since you are in a building up the road from him) you cannot possibly see, and if you did see could have reported him and that would be the end of the guy with the van ?.

    It’s rants like yours that do disabled people no good at all, please find another Blog or forum to spout on…I will bid you goodbye, thank you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 3, 2012 @ 12:53 pm

  310. I have my medical on wednesday and having read the comments on here don’t hold out much hope of a pass, I am wondering why it it the assessment does not take into account what support (if any) a person has to carry out these task ie: shop, walk, cook, manage finances etc..I live on my own, have nobody to do these tasks for me, I have to plan and balance these tasks so my illnesss does not get worse. How do you put this point over in the medical?

    Comment by tmir — May 4, 2012 @ 12:23 pm

  311. Hi tmir.

    They will ask you all those questions at the assessment, and you will have an opportunity to get what you want to say over, just don’t expect what you say to correspond with what they write on your ESA 85 assessment report, that’s why it’s vitally important that you request that report so you can study it before you compose your appeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 4, 2012 @ 12:38 pm

  312. What I find somewhat convenient is the fact that when given a context for some of the questions, they use examples such as going to the shops, the pub, or the cinema (the last two I haven’t done for years).
    If these questions are to establish whether you are fit to work, why then are none of them given in the context of the workplace.

    If your condition is, like mine, stress related and tends to manifest itself in obsessive behavior which can become all consuming for days. If you have a problem a in a shop, a pub, or a cinema. Unlike the workplace, you’re under no obligation to go back the next day and cumulatively face the problem again.

    I’m under no illusion of being unique in having this type of mental health problem – but they seem to specifically avoid raising the question of whether the workplace itself maybe the cause of many peoples mental health problems.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 5, 2012 @ 11:54 pm

  313. Hello Anonymous.

    I suppose their twisted logic runs like this, if you are fit enough to visit the pub or cinema then you are mobile and therefore fit for work, of course as you are hinting they do not take fluctuating conditions of a persons illness in to account, that is left to the appeal panel to ask.

    As for the workplace itself as the cause of mental health problems then you are correct again, in today’s humdrum workplace with people doing the same mind-numbing repetitive boring work day in day out then to be bored then eventually as time goes by then depressed then a breakdown in mental health is easy to understand, but for the person who has a varied job that is challenging then in my opinion a breakdown in mental health is rare, especially if the job is well paid.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 6, 2012 @ 4:33 am

  314. thanks dwpexamination for replying, I am hoping someone will be accompanying me so at least I will have a witness to what is being said just in case it goes to appeal and the report is inaccurate, which going from what people have said here will probably be the case

    Comment by tmir — May 6, 2012 @ 11:29 am

  315. I am on IB. After the examination, what can they put me on IF i am deemed unfit for work?

    Comment by Jim T — May 6, 2012 @ 2:23 pm

  316. Hello Jim.

    If you are found unfit for work by ATOS then you will be transferred to Employment and support allowance because Incapacity benefit is being phased out. If you are on contributory rather than income related then beware if they find you unfit for work and put you in the Work related group of ESA rather than the support group because the Work related is retrospectively time limited to one year.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 6, 2012 @ 2:57 pm

  317. Thanks for the info. dwpexamination

    Comment by Jim T — May 6, 2012 @ 3:49 pm

  318. In the last month mt IB payments have went £199.70, £204.15 & now £210.10. Can someone explain? (not complaining).

    Comment by Alan — May 6, 2012 @ 8:31 pm

  319. Hello Alan.

    There was a rise recently, you will need to wait and see how it pans out, sometimes the DWP give money they owe in drips and drabs.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 6, 2012 @ 9:59 pm

  320. Re post 317 i believe that the 365 day retrospective time limit in the WRAG for contribution based ESA applies to when ESA started but a period on Incapacity Benefit does not count so it is only after migration to ESA that the 365 day time limit begins ticking?

    Of course I could be wrong but that’s how I read it when I looked into it!

    Comment by DeCam — May 7, 2012 @ 10:19 pm

  321. No I think your right DeCam..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 7, 2012 @ 11:02 pm

  322. After making an appeal against refusal to award ESA what is the best way to request the Assessment Rate?

    Can I put a written request in with the appeal form?

    Is there a new form to fill in for assessment rate or if granted does esa just carry on at the lower rate?

    Comment by DeCam — May 8, 2012 @ 8:15 am

  323. Hello DeCam.

    A good question, no there is no separate form for asking for the assessment rate for the simple reason they hope you don’t know about it and therefore can’t ask for it, which leaves you with the only option which is to do as they say and sign on, or starve of course.
    But you do know about it and will be asking for it and you are going to get it by writing at the bottom of the box on the GL24 appeal form that whilst waiting for your appeal to be heard you wish to be paid at the assessment rate.

    So then, you use the box to introduce your appeal as in
    Dear Sir/Madam.

    I wish to appeal against your decision to find me fit for work, I believe my fitness for work is seriously limited, I have provided prove orally and by physical examination at the assessment centre, I have also provided prove by showing my GPs examination report both to ATOS and your office as well as my ESA 50 Questionnaire, since there is a serious lack of space on the GL24 then I will carry on with the rest of the appeal and show the descriptors I’m contending on separate A4 paper please find attached.
    Whilst I wait for the appeal to be heard I wish to be paid the assessment rate.

    That’s just roughly what I write, you can phrase it in your own way if you like everyone is different, but the main point is to get that wishing to be paid the assessment rate on the GL24 form somewhere, because as I said they will not pay you it until they receive the appeal and don’t forget the little matter of the sicknote.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 8, 2012 @ 9:10 am

  324. Thanks dwpexamination !

    At the JC they told me to press button B on their phone to ask for assessment rate even though they had just given me the E65 appeal form! I thought that can’t be right, they might ‘forget’ I had contacted them. How would I know who I had talked to etc. they also said I could claim jsa if I wanted instead, well they would wouldn’t they. You really have to do your homework with these people don’t you! That’s why this is a great resource.

    Comment by DeCam — May 8, 2012 @ 9:35 am

  325. DeCam.

    Press button B ? they obviously think it’s one of the buttons that button up the back of our heads.
    Everything you ask for, or any dealings whatsoever you have with these people, make sure it’s in writing and keep a copy, not that everything you write is guaranteed, but at least you have proof.
    As for your homework, you can ease the pain of that homework by picking a username and logging in to the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org there you will find people in the same boat as yourself united in a common cause.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 8, 2012 @ 9:48 am

  326. What is the general conscientious about having your interview recorded?

    Comment by Karen — May 8, 2012 @ 6:04 pm

  327. Hello Karen.

    The general consensus is we can now have our assessment recorded if we wish, ATOS will supply the recording equipment and give you a copy of the recording.
    You must tell them up front, in other words when you receive the ESA 50 Questionnaire and you fill it in, then that is the time to compose a basic letter and attache it to the ESA 50, saying that you would like your assessment recorded.
    Someone sent an FOI request in to the DWP inquiring how many recording devices does ATOS healthcare have ? the answer came back eleven.
    That’s right only eleven for the whole of the Country, so asking for your assessment to be recorded has other benefits, like your possible assessment will be delayed even more for a few weeks enabling you to stay on ESA until they arrange a recording device to be set up for your assessment.
    At the moment most people are unaware they can even get their assessment recorded overtly by ATOS, and have taken to recording the assessment themselves without telling ATOS, if caught then the assessment will stop on the spot you will be sent home and a letter will drop on your doormat in a few days informing you that your benefits have stopped for noncompliance etc.
    Once everyone does catch on though and start demanding they record their assessment then ATOS are going to have to get themselves a hell of a lot of machines to carry out their contract properly.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 8, 2012 @ 7:52 pm

  328. Get your assessment recorded because ATOSS are lying motherf*ckers and what you think you said wont tally with what they do say on their Medical Report and which you then have to contradict when you appeal.

    As you are likely to fail the assessment think of it as a stepping stone to the appeal and the recorded info will hopefully put you in a good position to overturn the decision.

    Might even help in evidence to shame ATOSS and how they go about their work.

    Comment by DeCam — May 8, 2012 @ 10:05 pm

  329. Re appeal, is the hcp represented on the tribunal panel always the one that did your original assessment?

    Does the tribunal use the points system to make any award so one would need at least 15 points?

    Or is the tribunal empowered to use mitigating evidence, medical reports etc so that the complete picture originally presented by completing the ES50 gains more weight than the ATOS medical and score?

    Thanks.

    Comment by DeCam — May 9, 2012 @ 11:42 am

  330. Hello DeCam.

    The health care professional is not represented on the appeal panel, the DR on the panel is supposed to be impartial, sometimes they stick an ATOS DR in there, if you get one then you have every right to mention this and ask for another panel, on no account should you proceed, if you are asked to waive your right and allow an ATOS HCP on the panel then you reply NO I DO NOT WISH TO WAIVE MY RIGHT, I would prefer someone who doesn’t or didn’t work for ATOS. Waiving that right is asking for it in my opinion.
    And yes the panel use the points system, your goal is to get at least the minimum of 15 points by contending the descriptors that are relevant to you, again yes the panel must take into account mitigating evidence, this could be in the form GPs or Consultants medical reports, X rays and scans etc as well as oral evidence from you along with their observations of you. Whether it gains more weight or not is for them to decide, and outside our control.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 9, 2012 @ 1:05 pm

  331. Hi all i have just had the dreaded phone call about pip and to find out my forms on the way,i know i will then have to go for the medical,I have Mutiple Sclerosis,RA,Ptosis (eye probs)and psoriosis but because i make the best of it and can walk although i need to rest!!There are days when i dont leave the house i just dont have the energy.I am on regular treatments and have regular hospital appointments.I just know i will be deemed fit for work i just pity the employer if i then find one who has to pay me to be off more than i work.What an earth are we all supposed to do!!!

    Comment by Lucy — May 9, 2012 @ 4:33 pm

  332. Hi Lucy.

    If you are found fit for work then you are supposed to appeal, that’s the whole idea, find you fit for work and force you to appeal.
    It’s easy to appeal, you can get help here at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org step by step if you need it, and your nearest welfare rights or CAB can help as well.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 9, 2012 @ 6:23 pm

  333. This may sound silly, but has anyone ever got over the 15pts & qualify?

    Comment by Nicola — May 9, 2012 @ 7:38 pm

  334. Hello Nicola.

    The minimum you require to qualify for Employment and support allowance from ATOS/DWP is 15 points, if you receive under 15 points you are found fit for work, they will tell you the reason is you did not score enough points to be eligible for ESA SO then if you don’t agree then you have to appeal, again the minimum you require from the appeal panel is 15 points. You can get over 15 points from an appeal panel, but since you only need 15 then the other points you may be awarded are basically superfluous.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 9, 2012 @ 8:08 pm

  335. i av gone on to esa support group and they told me that it will be looked at in to years time does that meen pip will still go ahead with me soon.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 10, 2012 @ 6:32 am

  336. Do you get Disability allowance ? if you do then you will be transferred to PIP.

    Everyone will eventually be transferred to Employment and support allowance then again on to Universal credit, if a person is on contributory ESA then as far as I know that will be separate but run in parallel to income related. I don’t even know if the Government themselves know, they certainly don’t know how it’s all going to pan out.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 10, 2012 @ 7:54 am

  337. hi there dwpexamination , my name john, i am also shiting myself,,i have had a assessment 14 month ago only got 3 points so i appeald won my appeal about 4 months ago and yesterday may 9th got a phone call to tell me they want me in for a assessment on may 30th….I told them i have only just won my appeal,,but they told me they can call u up for a assessment after just 3 month,,,,,,is this right????

    Comment by jonty — May 10, 2012 @ 11:49 am

  338. Hello John.

    Yes they can unfortunately, but you can delay it for a few weeks by asking for your assessment to be recorded, they may huff and haw but they have to comply, they will supply the recording equipment and will give you a copy.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 10, 2012 @ 2:29 pm

  339. good look jonty get some one to represnt you that will scare em i did and won

    Comment by Anonymous — May 10, 2012 @ 4:56 pm

  340. Regarding Answer 328. I have already filled in my form & did not ask for the interview to be recorded. If/when i get a letter saying i need to attend an ‘interview’, can i then ask for it to be recorded?

    Thank You

    Comment by Karen — May 11, 2012 @ 1:44 am

  341. Karen.

    How likely is it that you will be assessed ? if you think it’s very likely then a good idea would be to send ATOS a short letter in the style of

    ”Further to the ESA 50 questionnaire I completed on such and such a date, In the future if you decide to assess me then I would like to exercise my right to have my assessment recorded, I understand you will supply the recording equipment and you will be responsible for setting it up and calibrating the twin recording, I also understand I will be supplied a copy of the recording immediately.
    I will forward the Department of work and pensions a copy of this letter for their records.

    Mentioning you will send the DWP a copy of your letter will ensure they don’t try and pull a fast one and say they never received your letter etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 11, 2012 @ 7:18 am

  342. Hi i No its wrong to name and shame ATOS medical interagation centres
    but i would like to no if anybody on this site has been to the Atos in newport isle of wight
    please /lets not reply with our real names
    as i went this week
    and was shocked

    Comment by Charles Bartowski — May 11, 2012 @ 10:34 am

  343. I have got the CAB involved in my ESA appeal and they filled in the small box on the GL24 stating some reasons for the appeal.

    Is that enough for now and get the appeal in on time and then prepare the point by point going through of the atos medical report for later submission to the tribunal or do I need to get all the evidence in with the appeal initially?

    CAB seemed happy with just the short bit of info on GL 24 and said contact CAB when the appeal papers are sent to me by DWP and they will help phrase and write the info.

    Comment by DeCam — May 11, 2012 @ 3:53 pm

  344. Hello DeCam.

    Do exactly what they say.
    Have you got the ESA 85 assessment report by the way ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 11, 2012 @ 4:15 pm

  345. Hi yes I have the ESA 85.

    I have got my fitsicknote too. Should I take a photocopy and send in the original or vice versa depending on what they accept?
    On the reverse of the sick note there’s a declaration for social security benefit claimants only to sign, is ESA a ss benefit? Do I have to agree with it and sign, says DWP can contact my Gp for info to do with claim. Just wonder what they do if you don’t sign!

    As an aside are there any statistics that say the proportion of people on ESA in the Support Group versus the WRAG?

    Thanks.

    Comment by DeCam — May 11, 2012 @ 5:08 pm

  346. Hi ihad my assessment this week and took my wife with me ,i really didnt no what to expect as i honestly hoped to be treated ok , as someone who has kept up with how atos have been subjecting people to reallly harsh interagation ,i answed all the questions and even asked a few which i asked for an honest answer back , i asked the atos medical doctor what she wrote ,she seemed really shocked and told me in her report i was not deemed able to work ,but it was down to the dwp ,so i asked if i should start my appeal ,which she didnt answer and said the assessment was over .
    The trouble is i felt every question needed real thought and i fully understand why people could become flusted and upset ,one question as iam a person with no movement in 1 leg with very limted movement ,i was asked if i wanted to move from 1 chair to another how would i do that ,
    My answer was why would i want to move from 1 chair to another if i new it would give me pain spasms ,she looked puzzeled ,
    Another question how do i get upstairs bymself , a chair lift fitted by local council with paper work i suppled ,she looked puzzeled again .
    from my point i think if you answer the questions whilst remmbering previous answers ,you should be ok , i will be going up again to accompy a freind who dosnt have anyone to go with .

    Comment by Circus Tony — May 11, 2012 @ 5:17 pm

  347. Hello DeCam.

    Yes the sicknote should be sent as soon as possible along with the GL24 appeal that’s why the CAB have got the appeal started they know that you can send in the rest later, the main thing is to get the GL24 and sickline in to get paid, you can photocopy it but do not send the copy, you need to send the original (One of the few exceptions) and you have to sign the back and the details and that you are receiving ESA etc.

    If you are interested in these statistics and others then you should visit the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org they are on there.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 11, 2012 @ 6:42 pm

  348. Hello Tony.

    It’s looking good for you, do expect the worst though to avoid disappointment, if you get a result then great if not well that’s what you expected, the good news is you are going to win the appeal with absolutely no problems whatsoever.
    She probably looked puzzled because she wants answers that she can put in her wonder machine, answers that suit her and your fitness to work, your answers make you look as if you are not fit to work, she can hardly put in there that you have a stair lift if she wants to find you fit for work, but it looks like she has no choice.
    As I said it’s finger licking looking good for you..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 11, 2012 @ 6:49 pm

  349. This may sound stupid, but, if they are asking questions about my personal life, can i ask them about there’s? If it is recorded & they have lied could i call it not admissable & request another hearing & the person to be dismissed from there position?

    Thanks,

    Karen T

    Comment by Karen T — May 13, 2012 @ 1:11 am

  350. Hello Karen.

    Ask them any questions you like, but as long as you want to stay on Employment and support allowance just (At least for now) do as the nice health care professional says.
    If it’s recorded and they have lied on the ESA 85 report then it doesn’t look good for the HCP if you mention on your appeal that you have audio proof that he/she lied, remember you have a right to demand that ATOS record your assessment now.
    But (beware) if you record it yourself, then they have a defence, they can say that you interfered with the recording, and therefore since you didn’t tell them it was recorded then it is not admissible at a tribunal etc, and if you do say you would like to record it yourself then you will find the HCP will just abandon the assessment inform the DWP that your benefits should stop and blame you.

    So insist they record it and except no excuses, and if the HCP speaks in a low (That’s what they are doing) voice then demand (politely) that he/she speaks louder because your ears are clogged with wax and a bit deaf at the moment.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 13, 2012 @ 9:39 am

  351. Hello Circus Tony
    which sounds like a great name ,i think the dwp /and atos have a set agenda concerning how many per an area they have to deem fit for work , i went to an assesment severall months ago ,and lo and behold am deemed fit for work ,lovely i thought they will get me a lovely job , no chance i have appealed against my atos report and am now just waiting .
    It seems the health carer medical adviser you had was reading from her computer .
    and not really looking at you .
    I go to 2 disabled groups locally ,and i live in quite a large city and out of say 30 people 26 have got appeals going on which is very high .

    Comment by Helen — May 14, 2012 @ 2:31 pm

  352. if found unfit for work and put on esa support group do you go on to pip automatic or do you have to be reaset again and go all through the as

    Comment by Anonymous — May 14, 2012 @ 4:45 pm

  353. Some will some wont, whether one will or wont just depends on some whimsical ATOS Dr.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 14, 2012 @ 4:51 pm

  354. Do you agree or disagree that the disabled are bearing the brunt ?.
    Click on the link below and cast your vote.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9263453/500000-to-lose-disability-benefit.html#pd_a_6225639

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 14, 2012 @ 7:45 pm

  355. Interesting.
    Thank you for voting!
    Yes – claimant numbers have soared and the system is abused 56.81% (5,360 votes)

    No – the Government is making the vulnerable bear the brunt of cuts 43.19% (4,075 votes)

    Total Votes: 9,435
    Return To PollShare This

    Comment by Beth — May 14, 2012 @ 7:56 pm

  356. What is ‘interesting’?

    “Almost 80% of claimants have been reassessed to be fit for work” says the Telegraph reporter.

    Nothing about the number of successful appeals being made or even ATOS discusting treatment of the sick and vulnerable, or do they treat the deserving 20% better?

    Comment by DeCam — May 14, 2012 @ 10:31 pm

  357. Interesting the results of the poll. 56.81% of voters believe the governments hype.
    It appears the governments and media’s belittling and name calling of disability claimants appears to be the view of many members of the public too.
    And the media continue reporting inaccurate figures without doing their own research!

    Comment by Beth — May 15, 2012 @ 5:34 am

  358. 56.81%of Daily Telegraph readers believe the governments hype, they have a leaning towards the right don’t they? Not representative of the GBP.

    Benefit bashing is the new sport encouraged by the present government. Of course it would be good if the cheats lose their benefits if not entitled but the not fit for purpose atos DWP assessments seem to be having a better success at making the genuine claimants lose their benefits?

    Comment by DeCam — May 15, 2012 @ 1:54 pm

  359. this is all a massive stitch up to stop as many peoples benefit as possible and you still have to attend their medicals despite having your benefit withdrawn my wife works 25 hrs a week and now weve been well and truely stitched up, well were all in this togeather i suppose dave arnt we? how about the bankers who caused this bieing sorted out a bit ?

    Comment by pete5222 — May 17, 2012 @ 4:31 pm

  360. Hi Pete.

    I suppose if you could spare the two quid you could buy a NI stamp at the post office to save you going for another assessment.
    But even two quid is a hard stretch when you don’t have anything..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 17, 2012 @ 8:55 pm

  361. I went for a medical at atos this week, i was only in the examination room for 17 mins, i feel examiner didnt ask relavent questions about my disabilty. I was in a state the week running up to my appointment. I had to cancell the first appointment that they sent me as my mother was unable to attend with me and they brought my appointment forward by a week. I suffer with depression and am battle alcoholism which i have done for the past 10 years, i have abstained since march this year after doing a home detox at my mums. I am waiting for my decission.

    superman

    Comment by Anonymous — May 19, 2012 @ 7:42 am

  362. Hello Anonymous.

    Let us know what they decide ? if it’s bad news we can maybe help.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 19, 2012 @ 11:58 am

  363. Can i take more than 1 person into the interview with me?

    Comment by Carrie P — May 20, 2012 @ 12:24 am

  364. Hello Carrie.

    I think you’ll find that the ATOS Dr will take fright and give you a lecture on his/her rights and then tell you only one person is allowed to accompany you in the interview room.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 20, 2012 @ 7:43 am

  365. Hi
    There i no what iam going to say will make a few people cross ,but iam sick an tierd of people moaning about Anxiety ,and being Agoraphic ,really i have no legs and still got my atos medical intergation ,i think the medical budget woould not spirraled out of control if the doctors had just told these people its not a disabilty , really i have never suffered from stress or fear of going out ,i think the govt is 100% right to withdraw benefit from these scroungers ,and then the real disabled peole wouldnt have to go through these degrading examinations .

    Comment by Jeff Holmes — May 21, 2012 @ 1:14 pm

  366. i have just read the post by jeff homes ,i think he is right and wrong .Alot of people have hidden disabilties and just because they are not in wheel chair .that dosnt make them less disabled .
    But it sounds like jeff works for Atos or the benefits agencets .

    Comment by Helen — May 21, 2012 @ 1:17 pm

  367. Lol….we jeff..just because you have no legs doesnt stop you working either…..as atos states…use of a wheelchair is quite sufficant to make you capable for work..until you have had a mental illness.dont comment

    Comment by rachael — May 21, 2012 @ 2:52 pm

  368. Many people with physical disabilities also experience mental health issues the two tend to go hand in hand. Being disabled is not about a condition it’s how that condition affects your daily life!
    Oh….. and we are all capable of some degree of work with the right environment/support, sadly that environment or level of support is not available in today’s cut throat world of industry/business. Which is the point the ConDem government are refusing to see or listen to.

    Comment by Beth — May 21, 2012 @ 3:01 pm

  369. Hi Jeff.

    Something makes me think that you haven’t had a letter from the DWP yet, wait until you get one saying your fit for work, in other words you are now in the WRAG of ESA and that means what it says on the tin ”FIT FOR WORK”, then I want you to get out there and get a job, because quite frankly Iain Duncan Smith is sick of scroungers like you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 21, 2012 @ 6:59 pm

  370. Yes i had a letter ,and i work part time for my local council not because iam disabled ,but for work

    Comment by Jeff Holmes — May 22, 2012 @ 12:39 pm

  371. Hi Jeff, I’m interested in what you have to say about “these scroungers”? Can you tell me exactly who you are referring to, how you know they are scroungers and your qualifications in mental health diagnosis and treatment please? I’m not being facetious, I’m just interested in how you arrived at the conclusion people with mental health issues are scroungers? Dont you think people with issues like agoraphobia, anxiety and stress are as disabled as you are only mentally?

    Cheers

    Nelson

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 22, 2012 @ 4:10 pm

  372. Oh my people who shout the loudest are normally the worst , if you read through my post i dont put scrounger anywhere , i work in housing repairs ,and work in and around people everyday ,from people with disabilties that make me want to do everything i can to help them ,to people who think 4 cans and never doing a days work makes them disabled , i have been to pain clinics and had a guy ask me how much DLA and do get a car , so iam not anexpert in mental health but spent 5 years at uni and am one very few disabled housing officers who work in the uk ,and work with everyone from mind to blesma ,and am very lucky that i have not let the 2 legs i lost in iraq get in my way ,and being around people so upset and distressed they have never wanted to venture outside a hospital , a bad back is not disabled ,being scared of going outside is not disabled .
    Why should someone who uses cans or drugs be on a same level as an ms sufferer ,explain that one , i could stay and argue my case but i wont today as iam due back to WORK in 10 minutes .

    Comment by Jeff Holmes — May 22, 2012 @ 4:30 pm

  373. I think i no who Jeff is and not using youre real name is abit strange as you have told everyone almost everything about youre job . Jeff is a decent guy who works really hard ,but i honestly think he is just a bitter man who works with people everyday who sort of brain wash him i have dealt with him through saffa and he really does everything he can , he is doing a job which i think is great for a disabled person .But why are you so anti disabled jeff ,what has made you so cross

    Comment by Maggi — May 22, 2012 @ 5:00 pm

  374. Jeff well now we no thats not youre real name i think Maggi really hit the nail on the head why are you so cross about disabled people .As someone who is in a wheel chair and who works closely with disabled people do you think you are in the right job ,maybe ATOS should employ you ,you sound like a quisling .A traitor within ,maybe a bit harsh but thats how i think you sound to me .

    Comment by Big Ollie — May 22, 2012 @ 5:04 pm

  375. Oh well I’m a traitor too, I support Jeff 100%. If there is no medical evidence to support severe mental health or physical disability there’s NO reason why a person can’t work. They simply choose not to and that mentality has to stop.
    And before I get slated again, yes I’ve been through the system (in the support group) and I work in public sector to, front line seeing the abusers on a daily basis, which is where I get my outrage at people fiddling the system from.

    Comment by Beth — May 22, 2012 @ 5:27 pm

  376. Yeah the world is perfect & there are no disabled people. In your eyes Stephen Hawkings is NOT disabled, just pull his tongue out & you could use him as a stamp licker! Get a grip Jeff & Beth !!!

    Comment by Alan T — May 22, 2012 @ 5:45 pm

  377. Hi Jeff, sorry to contradict you but you clearly use the term scroungers in your previous post on 21/05/2012 where you wrote “I think the govt is 100% right to withdraw benefit from these scroungers, and then the real disabled peole wouldnt have to go through these degrading examinations”. Now then either you know for certain these people are scroungers by some psychic ability or you are making an assumption, which is it to be? Certainly your comments are not based upon any evidence of substance otherwise you would have informed the necessary powers of the “scroungers” and their full details. Its clear you can recognize disability when you see it but you also choose to discriminate where there is no visible external signs of disability? I am pleased to read you are working and I take my hat off to you for that, not many of us are capable of physical labour. I note you don’t say precisely what your job is, though I must say I am interested to find out exactly what it is you do? Can you tell me what your degree is in?

    I note you say you lost your legs in Iraq? are you an ex squaddie? I have a couple of mates who have told me some horror stories from their days in the Army. I dont envy Soldiers their lot, it cant be easy by any stretch of the imagination. As for a bad back, well it depends how good your x-ray vision is when dealing with back pain sufferers. I have seen many cases of severe back pain in my life, they were a very regular occurrence in the construction, heavy engineering and mining industries prevalent in the North of England. Since you need you back to do most jobs it is a likely point for disability to take root, I hope you never experience a “bad back”, it can wear you out.

    Those people who are dependent upon drugs and alcohol are suffering from a recognized disability, one which can be seen as self inflicted by those not suffering. There are many external causes for both and not all are self inflicted.

    Those people with mental health issues are as disabled as you or I are and I think deep down inside you know it. I think you see your own disability as being a “real” disability and anything less is inconsequential on your own sliding scale. Tell me do you know anyone from the same walk of life you had prior to losing your legs who has mental health issues brought on by a similar trauma?

    I notice you say you would like to argue your case? I wonder why you see honest open debate as an argument? I would much rather discuss why you feel the way you do so I can grasp your definition and clear boundary of disability?

    I wish you well Jeff, I congratulate you on your efforts to live and work despite your disability its an admirable trait and one to which I subscribe to myself but my bad back prevents me walking upright and for any distance.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 22, 2012 @ 5:59 pm

  378. While there are people who abuse the system and gov should get tougher with these, and I think it’s wrong that alcoholics get money for drink (bring in vouchers to pay bills) and drug users get needles seems wrong..BUT people with genuine mental health problems struggle just as much as someone with a physical disability, having been agoraphobic for the last 20years and only claimed for it in the last year because my finances dried up, in other words I am not this way for the money!..It is a soul destroying exsistence..Jeff how is someone like me supposed to go to work when I can’t leave my home?..I consider having a job and a life where you have some control a luxury!

    Comment by Eponoymous — May 22, 2012 @ 6:02 pm

  379. Medical evidence is the crux of the matter here Beth, its not always apparent what a persons disability is especially if it is in the mind. I see your psychic ability is still in good order too! have you thought of taking up scrounger identification as a full time job? because if you can clearly 100% tell me and prove to me for definite, beyond any doubt you can see scroungers then you aught to be on TV with your mate the Dom righting wrong wherever you find it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 22, 2012 @ 6:06 pm

  380. Sadly it’s something we learn very quickly working on the front line of public sector, you don’t need to be physic to spot these people. You can listen to a persons story and learn very quickly from the words and posture how true their statements are! Yes we do live in a sick society where instead of helping/support each other we judge and lay blame.
    As we’ve discussed before largely dependant on the area a person lives and what they see and hear on a daily basis.

    Comment by Beth — May 22, 2012 @ 6:18 pm

  381. Surely this is a serious breach of confidentiality then Maggi? Surely someone with experience of working with disabled people should know better.

    Cheers

    Nelson

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 22, 2012 @ 6:25 pm

  382. I dont subscribe to the same school of thought Beth. I think we all need to look carefully before we jump to a conclusion, particularly where there is a disability even if it in not immediately visible. I still cant see how you and your DWP colleagues have this sixth sense and can tell what someone is or isnr at a single glance, it certainly doesn’t stand in Law.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 22, 2012 @ 6:37 pm

  383. Never mentioned a glance… I think I said “you can listen to a persons story” and come to an informed decision as to their credibility!

    Where there is medical evidence of chronic illness regardless of it being mental health, hidden or physical there shouldn’t be any need for further assessment by ATOS or anyone else. Unfortunately during the Thatcher era people were forced onto IB regardless of condition and left there to rot, it’s just sad the genuine have been caught up in this witch hunt for fraudulent claimants.

    I could name names and give examples but as you know we’re then looking at breach of confidentiality.

    Comment by Beth — May 22, 2012 @ 6:50 pm

  384. Thank you beth as it seems a few people who have now got to have real medical are worried ,as for my quilifications iam now a fully quil charterd sur and a RIBA member ,and yes i did suffer from stress and i did become a very very angry person ,but do you no what i didnt want someone looking at me as if i was andy from little britan ,i did something ,and i work very closely making sure social housing and schools and sports clubs are improved for disabled people .
    I have to talk to people every day from housing assocition to general landlords ,to disabled people who through ot need help and addaptions to there home ,i meet people who are to proud to ask four a closomat toilet or floor tiles in there kitchen .
    I work closely even as of last month with brand new houses that need to be able to comply with new disabled housing.
    Yes i look at people and size them up ,but every one does ,and losing my legs was the end of one thing and the start of a new me ,go to hedly court and talk to the young guys their and ask them if cant work through stress or the fear of going out ,iam sorry but the people who are making the most noise are the people so scared about losing their money.
    I hate any form of interagation concerning a persons disabilty ,but when you see fat sods playing golf and claming can get cross with that .

    Comment by Jeff Holmes — May 22, 2012 @ 9:03 pm

  385. Jeff you have contradicted yourself yet again, in a previous statement you said- “really i have never suffered from stress or fear of going out” now you state-”and yes i did suffer from stress and i did become a very very angry person ,but do you no what i didnt want someone looking at me as if i was andy from little britan” Make your mind up!

    Comment by Eponoymous — May 22, 2012 @ 9:23 pm

  386. Hi Jeff.

    Well I’ve sized you up, you are illiterate, you can’t spell, and you can’t string a meaningful sentence together, I don’t believe you are working (Your volunteering aren’t you ?) because there would be no need for you to go for an ATOS test unless your one of those benefit scroungers you mentioned on your first post.
    If you don’t have anything positive and uplifting to say, something that can actually help people in genuine need then could you please sling your hook somewhere else.
    By the way you talk about people making the most noise, it seems to me you do a lot of talking for one guy, are you sure your not a scrounger ? because you seem to be making a lot of noise for someone who has only posted a few times.

    Remember the saying Jeff…JUDGE NOT LEAST YEA BE JUDGED.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 22, 2012 @ 10:51 pm

  387. Again Beth, you have fallen into the trap of being judge, jury and executioner and are setting yourself above others by making decisions based upon what you hear. Doing so implies there is no evidence to support what you are hearing, in which case no accurate judgement can be made.

    Nelson

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 23, 2012 @ 5:55 am

  388. As you well know all professionals working within health and social care make their decision based on what they see and hear (including advice workers). We have to work out a persons needs and what support we can offer based on their stories (and what we see) Without doing so we wouldn’t be able to do our jobs, After all, it is illegal to support a fraudulent claim for benefit and the advice worker could face prosecution which, is why some people are refused support with a claim for DLA..

    Comment by Beth — May 23, 2012 @ 7:01 am

  389. With all due respect Beth, there needs to be some evidence to support even your opinion. Yes you can and some do read body language but that is not an effective or recognized test of need which every benefit application is based upon, hence the long waiting lists outside the Tribunals service because of decisions made by people like you based upon their own blinkered opinion.

    Cheers

    Nelson

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 23, 2012 @ 7:55 am

  390. Hi Jeff, I see you chose to respond to some of my questions vicariously through your answer to Beth. Of course I may be wrong here but do you fear disability? You are also contradicting yourself again by admitting you became an angry person, there is nothing wrong with telling it like it is from the start rather than hiding behind the shield of disability hatred. You also say you hate any for of interrogation concerning a persons disability./ I dislike the system we have intensely and know it needs to be reformed but making it more draconian by raising the bar does not make it effective in weeding out those who openly abuse the system by making illegal claims. Your comment on fat lazy sods playing golf was interesting because these people who are caught committing fraud are completely fit and therefore nothing to do with the disabled community. This is a point the Daily Mail forget to make in their scrounger headlines, they prefer to sensationalize one of the benefit fraud because it sells papers. They have been taken to task over this n several occasions and forced to print retractions.

    It is necessary to test disability claims, we are all for a fair method of testing what we disagree with is people with cancer, brain tumors and yes amputees being denied the right to benefits at their time of need which is what most disabled people agreed to when they started paying income tax and NI. We too want a fair test which weeds out the physically fit who make fraudulent claims, these people are greedy and must be great actors because I dont know of one single person who has managed to get DLA without a fight.

    Tell me are you in full tome employment or are you on the work programme or a volunteer?

    cheers

    Nelson

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 23, 2012 @ 8:08 am

  391. I thought this message board was for people who have had , problems with atos .I seems that people like jeff /dwpexamination are now happy to argue why?

    Comment by Antonias — May 23, 2012 @ 12:08 pm

  392. Hello there i wonder if anyone can help me ,i had my examination 2 weeks ago with an atos person .
    What happens now ,do i wait or do i contact the dwp ,its just that my local cab ,are really swamped with people asking the same questions about atos.
    Any help i would really like.
    Iam not very good at asking questions

    Comment by Darryl — May 23, 2012 @ 12:40 pm

  393. Hi Darryl,
    You can just sit tight and wait for the decision letter, until they make a decision they will continue to pay you the assessment rate, Any backdated money (if any) will be paid after a decision has been sent to you,
    Or you can contact them and request a copy of the medical report, based on the information within there you’ll have a pretty good idea of which group they’re going to put you in.

    Comment by Beth — May 23, 2012 @ 1:20 pm

  394. Because as you say it’s for people who are having problems with ATOS not for people like Jeff who have no truck with ATOS.
    We have come to bury ATOS not to praise them..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 23, 2012 @ 1:36 pm

  395. I have been on severall sites and they all seem to be going towards inner fighting .It seems 1 group of disabled people think they are more disabled than another,which is rubbish iam with out arms and i suffer from stress so what group would i be in?
    And i have a voice activated keyboard ,which if i sniff it types sssssssssssssn ,thats true honestly
    I think everybody needs to stop fighting on these sites ,and just start to talk like decent people .
    I think this Jeff guy if he is like me an ex serviceman has issues but is still a disabled person ,so before i sniff again can we please stop the fighting

    Comment by Darryl — May 23, 2012 @ 1:54 pm

  396. Why are you telling me Darryl ? see Jeff he’s the problem so tell him not me..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 23, 2012 @ 3:15 pm

  397. If it wasn’t for the people on this site (The fighters) the likes of you Jeff would be taken to Auschwitz ages ago, probably smiling on the train like a gibbering idiot.
    Please don’t come back, this site isn’t for you, this site is for people who want to learn their rights and beat ATOS and stop their cruelty.

    Thanks in anticipation.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 23, 2012 @ 5:24 pm

  398. Hi Antonias, I am not arguing with Jeff or Beth. I am debating the issues they have raised and I will continue to do so because you and all of our readers need to see what we are up against. Their opinions are the same as a huge number of able bodied people who have been misled by this Government into believing we are a burden to the state. Do you want to be thought of as a burden?

    Cheers

    Nelson

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 23, 2012 @ 5:43 pm

  399. Ta ta then Beth

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 23, 2012 @ 6:55 pm

  400. Jeff I gave you your opportunity to justify your post, you chose not to respond to my offer and the whole issue has descended into a massive waste of our valuable time. Goodbye and good luck

    Cheers

    Nelson

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 23, 2012 @ 6:57 pm

  401. Im due for my assessment in 2nd week of June 2012. I had Male Cancer (Testicular) in May 2010 & have been having pain the the operation area gradually increasing since mid 2011. The Dr nor my specialists know what it is & so recently my Dr signed me off. I can do basic things like walk around, but can’t stand for very long nor lift heavy boxes. I also have trouble bending down. Now I’m beginning to become depressed over my condition as its constant irritation. I have no idea what’s going to happen at my assessment & other than showing them my missing ball & scar, along with all my letters, regular check ups etc, it’s gonna be quite hard to prove to them that I’m ill. Worried I won’t pass :-(

    Comment by Mikey — May 24, 2012 @ 12:05 am

  402. I suffer from back pain that an xray confirmed is due to a bone forcing onto my spine and had this for over 20 years. I used to work long distance for years but had to stop as pain was too much with sitting all day. Last time it went it lasted for 8 weeks in that i couldnt walk or move either to sit or stand or sleep was nearly non existant. Last time i went i passed the medical because i was in pain and doctor actually apologised to me for discomfort i was going through.
    Dont ever turn up clean shaven or with clean clothes as this is struck against you on the form, dont say you read magazines or watch tv or even go for messages as they twist everything you say.
    The only person who knows you is your own doctor not someone who doesnt know you and you might go there in a day you feel ok and not terrible, they will write you are fine to them.
    Think before you answer, they will kid on they are your friend, they are none of the sort! Dont be fooled for a min. I did the first time i went and got one point. I appealed and asked them if i got that for turning up! I won my appeal. I go for yet another medical on friday, last time they wanted me to wait for 90 mins due to some sort of backlog but i told them no way would i be able to stand or sit for that lengh of time so they rearranged it for this week.

    Comment by Anonscots — May 24, 2012 @ 1:57 am

  403. Hello Anonscots.

    Good advice, sometimes we learn the hard way though, but this time you are under no illusions.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 24, 2012 @ 6:00 am

  404. Does the ATOS interegrator have access to your medical file? I thought that only Doctors could view a persons records?

    Thanks

    Comment by Wilma H — May 24, 2012 @ 9:32 pm

  405. Hello Wilma.

    Why would ATOS be remotely interested in viewing your medical file ?. Could you or anyone give me one good reason why they would want to bother themselves looking at your medical file ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 24, 2012 @ 10:11 pm

  406. Wilma you would be lucky if the atos hcp even glances at the ES50 you spent ages filling in, there’s such a disconnect between the questions they put to you so insensitively and the information you have supplied on the form.

    Comment by DeCam — May 25, 2012 @ 7:15 am

  407. You are a blank slate as far as the atos hcp is concerned. I’m only surprised I wasn’t selected for the 2012 Olympics after my own assessment charade!

    Comment by DeCam — May 25, 2012 @ 7:18 am

  408. Anonscots if you turn up looking dishevelled and unshaven the atos hcp will still say you were well presented and dressed casually but smart. I know because I was the former and they made me into the latter on the report ………..because they lie, because they can………

    Comment by DeCam — May 25, 2012 @ 7:24 am

  409. Reading The Sun on Sunday today & they are trying to get the unemployed to work 30hrs/wk to get there £67.50 unemployment benefit. That works out @ £2.25/hr ! How can they try and do this when the minimum wage is approx. £6.00 ?

    Comment by Will. k — May 27, 2012 @ 3:06 pm

  410. Hello Will.

    I don’t know how they can justify it, because it’s against the law, but I suppose they can say that ‘work is good for your health” etc.
    well I suppose it is if you can do the job within your health limits and the wage is £65 thousand plus a year, but to be forced in to a mind numbing meaningless job that can only damage your health can only be counter productive in the end .

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 28, 2012 @ 6:07 am

  411. Hi Will,

    The govt can do anything and its probably another way to show that everyone on benefits is capable of some form of work particularly if given the choice of work or starve, of course you could also consider such an underhanded tactic as low paid slavery so maybe if its enforced perhaps the human rights activists could get involved!!

    Comment by tmir — May 28, 2012 @ 5:40 pm

  412. I hav jst filled in form, said i cant take pressure + askd 4 home visit, am already in a state hav stock piled temazapan, i no i cant deal with this again!

    Comment by Anonymous — June 5, 2012 @ 1:21 am

  413. Hello Anonymous.

    To get a home visit, you will need some kind of direction from your GP, perhaps a short letter or a fax through to ATOS, without something from your Dr it will be hard to persuade them to visit you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 5, 2012 @ 6:48 am

  414. How long is it after you send away your ESA 50 form that they will contact you. (Probably all different but an average will do)

    Thanks

    Comment by Anonymous — June 5, 2012 @ 4:10 pm

  415. I was contacted by ATOS within ten days, that’s my average.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 5, 2012 @ 8:28 pm

  416. 6 month and still not heard anything

    Comment by Eponoymous — June 5, 2012 @ 8:33 pm

  417. Why has a person not taken ATOS to court? They are obviously making wrong decisions & affecting peoples lives.
    There must be a law that after your appeal, it would go to court?
    Playing with peoples lives is not a 1hr conversation.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2012 @ 12:05 am

  418. Hello Anonymous.

    How much money ya got ? if you have enough and give it to me, then I’ll take them to court all right, can’t get legal aid to take them to court, so we better have money and plenty of it, if I win the lottery then ATOS are finished..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 8, 2012 @ 5:56 am

  419. The law seems to be that after a successful appeal you don’t take ATOS to court; ATOS then give you another Sham Medical or Shmedical. Clearly the DWP and govt are right being ATOS and their procedure to fail as many claims as possible until claimants give up, or die.

    As for taking ATOS to court – what charge legally, everything they do is legal even though it’s based on lies, attrition, hatred and scant regard for people’s feelings, health or right to fair and equitable treatment. No self respecting so called health care practitioner would do the job ATOS demand, they are scum and can you imagine any one of them actually treating you in a health setting?

    Bastards.

    Comment by DeCam — June 8, 2012 @ 7:54 pm

  420. OK DeCam. You get the ‘medical’ recorded. Then you get the report saying you scored Zero points. You take the ‘Examiner to court, they go through both the recording & the report and are asked why (on every single question) they came up with there decision. I’m pretty sure they could not come up with a viable reason or they would lie & be in Contempt of Court. Any Judge would laugh at them ie. ‘if you can use a mobile phone, you can work a computer’ etc. etc.
    Only my way of thinking. It only takes 1 person to win & ATOS would be up shit creek.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 9, 2012 @ 12:15 pm

  421. What is the charge you would bring against ATOS? As in a legal charge that can be heard in court?
    I agree they deserve to be in court but if there’s no charge under law then it’s not going to happen.

    Comment by DeCam — June 9, 2012 @ 8:40 pm

  422. Deformation of character?

    Comment by Anonymous — June 10, 2012 @ 10:40 am

  423. Defamation of character. Well there’s plenty of no win no fee solicitors touting for business! Good luck!

    Comment by DeCam — June 10, 2012 @ 6:13 pm

  424. There is an obvious differance between new claims with fresh medical evidence and old ones where people have been on benefits for decades !Politicians will only listen when they or their family are dissabled…i thank god i should eventualy recover from mine but treat my bro bad as he has it for life and i will declare war.

    Comment by john — June 12, 2012 @ 2:24 pm

  425. I actually recorded the interview my wife had, and some of the descriptors Atos used to describe her is nothing short of scandalous, my wife has problems with her knees, and has done since the age of 14,as well as suffering from anxiety,depression,and OCD at the medical she was asked to do a physical assesment of standing and squatting of which she didnt even attempt. The report came back saying upper body functions were ok, but mentioned nothing on lower body functions, nearly everyone can lift their arms over their head,which my wife did, but their was no weights in them at the time, she cant do it with weights as she broke her wrist and has never properly recovered, Also they said my wife took her own coat off unasisted when clearly it is on voice record that i helped her take it off, the report also said she sat for 40 minutes in the interview, when in actual fact she was asked to get up to do the physical assesment after 30 minutes and the medical concluded after 36 minutes, i can go on and on at the flaws from the ATOS report and i have written a 3 page dossier which i am sending back with the GL24 and doctors sick note, i dont know if they will read it, is it advisable to tell them i have recorded the assesment or do i keep it to myself? personally i would advise anyone to record it as it is a very usefull tool to recap on after you have recieved your medical report back

    Comment by paul — June 12, 2012 @ 9:52 pm

  426. The trouble with recording it on your own Paul is it will not be admissible at a possible tribunal and the DWP know this, the reason is obvious according to them we could have fiddled with the recording.
    There’s no harm in mentioning that the ATOS Dr was economical with the truth because you have it recorded it and have the proof, but I suppose they will just send a letter saying you can’t use that recording etc, just shows what a farce it all is.
    In future when ATOS call you for assessment then demand that ATOS themselves record it and give you a copy, they must comply now if you request it..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 13, 2012 @ 2:03 am

  427. Thanks dwpexamination, maybe if everyone asked for a request of the recording, it may cut down on the amount of blatent lies, that ATOS are getting away with, and also it can then be challenged.

    Comment by paul — June 13, 2012 @ 6:54 am

  428. Hi,
    Hope you can help me. I had a brain haemorrhage at a young age and I now have epilepsy and bad migraines. Also I have spondylosis L1-L5-S5-disc damage, I have arthritis and menisceal tear all in of my right. Scaiatica in my left, Panic attacks Depression anxiety and more and I have overdosed. I have been unwell all my life and worked for 16 to 32 years old untill my health got worse I was signed off sick permanently in 2003 unfit for work and have had four medicals with Atos Healthcare; my last one was only August last year where I was then put into the support group. Now I have recieved a letter again saying that I have to go for ANOTHER medical in 3 weeks time. Why do they keep doing this when I only had a medical last year? How many times a year do I have to keep going for medicals when you have been signed of permanently by your dr and put in a support group? I feel like I am constently being harrased. My life is bad enough being in pain every day, they don’t understand, yet they still want to put your through this pressure.The thought of having to go to this next medical again is terrifying me. My panic attacks are now getting worse due to me counting the days of me having to go for this test again. So the question that I am asking, is when will these medicals stop when you have been permanently signed of sick and put in a support group?

    Comment by Anon — June 13, 2012 @ 10:24 am

  429. Hi Anon,
    Have you tried asking them why you need to attend so many medicals? have you requested a home visit instead of going to the medical center?

    Comment by tmir — June 13, 2012 @ 10:49 am

  430. No I have not, as I do not like talking to people. I get in a panic and to have a home visit I feel like they are invading my home privacy as it is the only place I feel safe.

    Comment by Anon — June 13, 2012 @ 11:40 am

  431. Hello Anon. the truth is, they are going to keep assessing everyone, as soon as you are put in the support group or win an appeal then the whole rigmarole starts again, their twisted logic runs like this…YOU MIGHT GET BETTER..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 13, 2012 @ 8:58 pm

  432. they asked me if I could prepare a main meal. I answered ‘No’
    they changed that to ‘If it was pre prepared for you – could you cook it – “can’t bend to use oven”
    ‘Cooker top then’? – have dropped things due to hand issues so scared I get burned”
    ‘well – if you put the pans of water on cooker, then heated them up with say – an egg in, then used a slotted spoon to get the egg out?
    “Why would I do that?”
    So you’re saying you could not warm soup in a microwave?
    Then I said that was not the correct test – it should be main meal using traditional cooker – Big Mistake!
    So – she said – If the bread had been prepared and buttered, and the fillings, say, tomato, ham cheese etc had also been sliced and prepared – you say you could not build the sandwich from that?
    I said “you would have to be very poor if you could not do that” – at this they looked at each other smiled, and then the doctor did an impression of tyrannosaurus rex with hands clawed in front of her chest and said – “Exactly”
    I lost the lot

    Comment by Shaun Nicholson — June 16, 2012 @ 4:00 pm

  433. the EMP that visited me said in his report that we lived 400metres high in his report and that there was no lift. There was no lift, but we lived on 1st floor above sweet shop. By their own reckoning 100m is the length of football pitch end ways on. So 4 football stadiums on their ends?
    He also never took nor asked for any ID – said I had told him i was at pain clinic but “probably being treated on my version of events and not because of any actual examination” my consultant went ballistic!
    Told him I was wearing Fentanyl patches – he declined offer to look at exam – never mentioned in report
    He did state “has had some morphine in past although not now”
    And “complained of pain although he showed no signs of this when observed”

    I took this all the way to 1st Tier then independent Tier and this took 2 years. After this time the independent (paid by DWP) tier asked “why (I) have such good recollection of events when the doctor had not. Saying the doctor had stated “He was sure he had taken ID although as this was ‘some time ago’ he was ‘unsure’ as to what form of ID he took.
    It was only when i suggested that information should be marked clearly on the report on the page marked ‘ID’ that (and i will swear this is true) the reply came back these papers had been misplaced and there was no reason why they would normally be kept.
    Priceless
    I did have it struck out and heard the doctor was then given opportunity to leave or ‘re-train’

    Comment by Shaun Nicholson — June 16, 2012 @ 4:17 pm

  434. After reading all these horror stories I feel sick to the stomach with worry. I suffer from crippling ibs pain on a daily basis as well as social anxiety which makes it difficult for me to even converse with my neighbours. The thought of losing my benefits and having to appeal is just terrifying for me. God knows my life is hellish enough without having to go through all of this.
    I was wondering if it would be better for me to have a friend with me during the exam. Mind you I can’t see that anything will make the slightest difference. I may as well resign myself to the fact that i’m going to fail. The whole thing is just a nightmare.

    Comment by IAN STRANGE — June 18, 2012 @ 7:39 pm

  435. It’s a nightmare we all have to go through at the moment Ian, yes it would be a good idea to take someone with you, at least you will have some visible support.
    You won’t lose your benefits because you can apply for the assessment rate until the appeal is heard, even if the worst case scenario happened and you lost the appeal then you can still re-apply for employment and support allowance.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 19, 2012 @ 4:09 am

  436. Thanks for your comments. It’s at least reassuring to know that there’s plenty of online advice and support,

    Comment by ian — June 19, 2012 @ 6:13 am

  437. You’ll get plenty of help and support at the forum Ian http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 19, 2012 @ 8:06 am

  438. 1) YOU HAVE THE RIGHT FOR YOUR GP TO SEND MEDICAL EVIDENCE FOR YOUR CASE AT AN ASSESSMENT-YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO SEND ALL PAPER WORK AND EVIDENCE WITH YOUR ESA50 AND THIS WILL BE LOOKED AT BY THE HCP.
    2)YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO COMPLAIN OF THE ESA85 AND THE HCP- MAKING SURE YOU POINT OUT EVERY MISTAKE CONTRADICTION WITHIN THE ESA85 AND WHAT YOU ALSO SAID IN YOUR ESA50 BECAUSE WHAT U STATED IN YOUR ESA50 SHOULD BE STATED IN THE ESA85 IN THE AREA’S THEY NEED TO BE. SO IF THE HCP SAYS CLAIMANT DID NOT STATE THIS AND IT WAS STATED IN YOUR ESA50 THIS PROVES THE HCP IS LYING. PCIK IT ALL TO THE BONE AS YOU ARE PICKED TO BONE BY ATOS. GETS OTHERS TO LOOK AT THE ESA85 AND YOUR ESA50 AND WHAT YOU SAID AT YOUR ASSESSMENT THEN MAKE A COMPLAINT REPORT OUT TO THE FAILURES – SEND TO ATOS. THERE ARE TWO STAGES AT WHICH THE THESE DR’S WILL LIKELY TRY TO COVER UP FOR THE HCP AND THE ESA85 MOVE ON TO THE HIGHER TIER AFTER WHICH IT IS THEN THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OF JOB CENTRE PLUS ON A CE OF JCP CAN DEAL WITH YOUR ATOS COMPLAINTS.
    3)YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE DM AT DWP WHO MADE A DECISION WHO MADE A MISTAKE IN TO NOT SEEING A UNFIT FOR PURPOSE ESA85 REPORT
    4)YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO CLAIM COMPENSATION FROM ATOS IF YOUR ASSESSMENT IS DEEMED UNFIT FOR ITS PURPOSE ALWAYS ASK FOR COMPENSATION AT ALL LEVELS OF YOUR COMPLAINTS.
    5)YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO HAVE YOUR ASSESSMENT RECORDED AND IF THEY CANNOT DO THIS THEY MUST CANCEL YOUR APPOINTMENT UNTIL THEY CAN
    6)YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO COPIES OF ALL YOUR PAPER WORK ON YOU WHICH IS HELD ON FILE AT ATOS AND DWP THIS WILL INCLUDE THE HCP FORM ESA85A WHICH WILL STATE WHY HE/SHE CALLED YOU FOR A FACE TO FACE ASSESSMENT.
    7)YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO COMPLAIN TO ICE ABOUT THE THREE TIERS OF COMPLAINTS AT ATOS AND OR THE CE OF JCP IF THEY DID NOT HANDLE YOUR COMPLAINTS PROPERLY OR HAD LIED TO YOU ABOUT THINGS OR THE TRUE OF YOUR CASE- I.E IF YOUR ESA85 TURNS OUT TO BE UNFIT FOR ITS PURPOSE AT HIGHTER TIER LEVEL THEN THE TWO DRS AT STAGE ONE AND TWO WHO MAY SAY IT MET STANDARDS LIED TO YOU!

    Comment by MAKE MY DAY — June 24, 2012 @ 4:05 pm

  439. 1)YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO CANCEL YOUR ASSESSMENT APPOINTMENT IF YOU ARE NOT WELL ENOUGH TO ATTEND TRY AND GET A NOTE FROM YOUR GP TP COVER U IF NOT STATE WHY U ARE TOO ILL AND ONLY AFTER YOU HAVE SPOKEN TO YOUR GP TELL ATOS TO CONTACT YOUR GP ALSO IF THEY DO NOT TAKE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT BEING ILL
    2)YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO A HOME ASSESSMENT IF YOUR GP CAN BACK YOU UP ON THIS
    3)YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO BE TREATED LIKE A HUMAN BEING MAKE SURE THIS HAPPENS
    4)IF YOUR APPOINTMENT TIME IS NOT ON TIME KEEP STANDING IN FRONT OF A CLOCK IN THE ASSESSMENT ROOM AND BE FILMED BY SOMEONE ELSE STATEING MY APPOINTMENT TIME IS NOW AN HOUR OVER BUT I WOULD KEEP DOING THIS EVERY HALF AN HOUR. IF SOMEONE SAYS TO YOU YOU CANNOT FILM STATE IT IS NOT ME FILMING LOL…IF THEY TELL THE OTHER OTHER PERSON TO STOP FILMING STOP BY THEN YOU WILL HAVE YOUR EVIEDENCE ALREADY.
    5)IF YOU CANNOT TAKE ANYMORE OF THE PAIN YOUR IN AND YOU PASS OUT PLEASE MAKE SURE SOMEONE CALLS AN AMBULANCE AND THEN GET THE COPY OF THE AMBULANCE OR A&E REPORT FROM YOUR GP THEN COMPLAIN TO WHAT HAPPENEND TO YOU TO ATOS.

    Comment by MAKE MY DAY — June 24, 2012 @ 4:17 pm

  440. Hi, very interesting article. I’ve had experience of Atos & complained. The ‘Doctor’ marked me down as ‘Build – Average’. At that point my weight had dropped from 87kg to 67kg. BMI is the standard measure used by healthcare professionals, ‘Build’ is more of a Police description. Despite 3 of my medications being prescribed for Depression & Anxiety, no mention of any mental health was included in the report. Finally, I have a blood born infection which the ‘Doctor’ said was as a result of IV drug use. Neither my GP or the Hematology Consultant were able to say how I contracted it. Their answers to the complaint were pathetic and they stated that it is not a ‘medical’, it is a ‘Work Capability Assessment’, in which case how are they able to give a ‘Prognosis’? Wankers……

    Comment by Steve Walker — June 26, 2012 @ 5:55 am

  441. Hi Steve.

    That’s their way round it, it’s not a medical assessment but a functional assessment, how you can function in a work environment, so a person can have lung cancer and as long as he/she can walk, stand/sit, lift their arm etc then that person is fit to work. Of course it’s all nonsense, and any right thinking person can see through what they are trying to do, trouble is ATOS and the DWP are packed to the brim with wrong thinking persons.
    So I hope you are going to appeal against their idiotic decision to find you fit for work, if you need help etc then just log in to the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org

    By the way, you may notice that on some of the letters ATOS still send us, it sometimes says MEDICAL ASSESSMENT.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 26, 2012 @ 6:29 am

  442. Thanks, I will no doubt have to fight them. A fight which will only make my health worse!

    Steve

    Comment by Steve Walker — June 26, 2012 @ 1:26 pm

  443. We all have to fight them Steve, that’s their whole point, they know you/we are unfit to work at the moment, but only the fighters will get ESA, the rest get nothing, well just Job seekers allowance.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 26, 2012 @ 3:01 pm

  444. hi, I went for my fit for work interview yesterday and I must say that the questions I was asked had nothing to do with mental health issues which is the reason why I am recieving benefits, today I feel awful and the whole experience has left me feeling drained. I do not think they consider the anxiety caused from having to attend the interview in the first place, let alone the fact they have no parking at the centre, the grubby waiting room and the security guards that followed me to go to the bathroom.
    The repetive questions they ask are almost humorous as if they are trying to trip you up so to speak!!!

    my advice is be strong answer the questions honestly and remember hopefully you will never have to attend that meeting ever again.

    Comment by kate — June 27, 2012 @ 4:13 pm

  445. Has anyone had a home visit assessment? I have been granted one and wonder if the assessment is the same as attending the medical center

    Comment by tmir — June 27, 2012 @ 4:44 pm

  446. Have my medical next week after 10 months of waiting, done two detoxes for alcohol in this time and got a support worker and have done everything that they ask for you to do but didnt have any money to go on courses, I am back drinking again and my doctor has signed me off for another three months until the end of september and my contributions based finish on august 22nd and go onto income related suffer from depression and anxiety and have asthma and sometimes have a mini fit fit that lasts for seconds if i fail the medical they will most probably put me back on jsa so back on contributions based so i cannot claim for any financial help, although I would have done all the stuff that they would have asked me to do if i had the medical at thirteen weeks. I would like to go on one of the support groups to get on the courses i wished to do, do i mention this when having my last writes.

    Comment by owen — July 3, 2012 @ 1:04 pm

  447. You would like to get on the support group ? so would thousands of others.
    I don’t think it would be a good idea to tell ATOS anything if you know what’s good for you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 3, 2012 @ 2:12 pm

  448. I have been sending in Med3 sick notes to DWP whilst on assessment rate pending ESA appeal.

    You won’t believe this but DWP lost my sick note even though I got a certificate of posting at PO and used their own preaddressed envelope!

    They have stopped my benefit because they didn’t get the sick note! I sent them a photocopy of the sicknote, my covering letter and the certificate of posting.

    Their response, we can’t accept a photocopy so please send in the original sick note which I already told them I sent in so can’t send it twice.

    What a farce.

    They even sent back my letter.

    Anyway I went back to my GP and told him DWP lost the last note so can I have another, which he did and I sent it to DWP and will have to hope they don’t lose this one as well. So what more can I do!?

    Deliver it in person? Pay recorded delivery?

    Anyone know the longest time period a GP can write a routine sick note for?

    If in receipt of ESA after successful appeal do the DWP still require sick notes?

    Comment by DeCam — July 8, 2012 @ 9:46 pm

  449. I got fed up with em losing my sick notes…so i know fone esa and ask for appointment at job centre and fax it direct to them….they get it within the hour….jobs a good one

    Comment by rachael — July 8, 2012 @ 10:22 pm

  450. Hello DeCam.

    Yes I do believe it because it happened to me not once but twice, the first time they lost the sickline, I received a letter out of the blue saying I did not forward them a sicknote etc and my benefits will be affected and so on, so I did as you did and showed them the photocopy, and the same reply, photocopies cannot be accepted etc, and we don’t have a fax machine so cannot fax it over.

    I keep telling everyone this is a criminal organisation, and no one is listening, we need to wake up and catch on to these criminal bastards, that’s all they are just criminal pieces of scum.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 9, 2012 @ 5:46 am

  451. Yes DWP they do leave a nasty taste in the mouth.

    My last letter they returned thus no ‘evidence’ in their file on me had a stamp opened by royal mail sorting unit so I guess it’s subcontracted out, the letter opening bit and then sent to the appropriate dept, or not as in our cases of lost notes.

    I’m now stapling the sicknote to the covering letter in the hope it can’t be ‘mislaid’ but then again maybe it’s DWP policy to lose sicknotes stop benefits mess clients about cause distress and frustration and generally act like bastards whilst wearing an innocent were only here to help expression of malicious disregard for people’s rights and right to fair treatment.

    Wastes the GPs clinical time having to get replacement for so called lost notes too, another financial cost to the country.

    Comment by DeCam — July 9, 2012 @ 8:34 am

  452. “maybe it’s DWP policy to lose sicknotes stop benefits mess clients about cause distress and frustration and generally act like bastards whilst wearing an innocent were only here to help expression of malicious disregard for people’s rights and right to fair treatment”.

    CORRECT, DWP POLICY.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 9, 2012 @ 9:39 am

  453. I’m still waiting for DWP to reinstate my benefit after they lost my sick note.

    In fact reading around its clear that DWP lose important paperwork beyond any statistical possibility so either they need to look at their systems for receiving mail or stop throwing their clients paperwork in the bin and stopping their benefits.

    Funny how you can spend your life sending letters to massive multi national firms without problems but when it comes to DWP it’s par for the course, common and even anticipated.

    Comment by DeCam — July 10, 2012 @ 5:37 pm

  454. Ask yourself how come you always receive correspondence from them no problem, but letters going the other direction is nothing but grief.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 10, 2012 @ 6:35 pm

  455. This may sound silly but is there any mileage in engaging in the JCP Complaints process or will that just give them information to fine tune their systemic abuse of their clients? Iron out the glitches so your stitched up like a kipper guvnor.

    Comment by DeCam — July 10, 2012 @ 9:18 pm

  456. The more complaints the better DeCam.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 10, 2012 @ 9:27 pm

  457. I attended my Atos medical while also suffering from kidney stones, so I could hardly walk at all. My claim is based on clinical depression and Tourette’s Syndrome. I was in intense discomfort throughout the interview and also very nervous about being away from home. On that day I was pretty high on powerful painkillers (which I had taken with me to show to my examiner). Without the painkillers, I would have been in unbearable pain and unable to attend at all. I was very honest about my abilities on the day. I stated that my depression causes fatigue and I can only walk for short periods before that fatigue requires me to stop. I can’t use a bath unaided and I have trouble climbing stairs. My big problems come in dealing with other people. If the atmosphere is relaxed and it’s general chit-chat, I’m fine, but ask me too many questions or to make a decision, and I’m flumoxed … and that inevitably leads to a panic attack and self-harm.

    In the time between the examination and receiving my reply, I was reassessed by my doctor and she confirmed that I still have a very serious depression problem. Yet – like so many others – my result came back with 0 points in any category. Not only were things I said twisted and used against me to make it appear that I was fit for work, some things I had responded to had been changed to outright lies.

    Before making the phone call to start my appeal, I showed the results of the medical to my doctor. She immediately stated that I am unfit for work at this present time and that the results of the Atos medical in no way reflected my actual state of health. However, she added that she doubted very much that an appeal would change anything, as I’m not the first person she’s treated who is unfit for work but has been declared fit by Atos – even after an appeal with support from a doctor.

    Comment by Dave — July 11, 2012 @ 2:47 pm

  458. Dave.

    What your GP hasn’t grasped yet, and this applies to a lot of GPs at the moment, who are just totally clueless, is the fact that it’s not about your illness so much that will determine whether you are fit to work but how you answer the questions at the appeal tribunal.

    You see, let’s take an analogy, if one applies for a driving test and one is the best driver that ever lived well that means jack shit if you don’t look in your mirror before you move off, because one is going to fail the test because one didn’t look in the mirror, do you see what I’m saying ?.

    So let’s look at an appeal for ESA, if you say you can walk over 200 yards you will not get points for that particular descriptor, if you say you can stand for hours without needing to sit down for a rest, you will not get points for that particular descriptor, I’m I being clear ?.

    So then, if you state that you can only walk 80 yards and can justify it on a GPs report, and convince the appeal panel then you will get nine points, if you cannot stand for any amount of time because standing is so unbearable for any decent amount of time then you will get points, all the points add up and if you score more that 15 then you get ESA.

    The panel are not interested in hearing how the ATOS Dr is a twat, they already know that, what they want to know is, do you or do you not make enough points to get ESA.

    So appeal and win, you can get all the extra help you need here http://www.dwpexamination.org to achieve that win. With the health conditions you have described you will win the appeal easily if you answer the questions correctly, remember because the appeals are running slow this means you have six to nine months to start learning how it works.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 11, 2012 @ 6:22 pm

  459. Hi I have just received my assessment form my first. I have been on IB and Dla both rates since before 1998. I suffer from M.E. and T.I.A’s, cervical spondylosis, have severe arthritus all over body have spinal and nerve damage, my knees dislocate and my feet have no muscles left due to the M.E. I also suffer from RSS which also affects my hands arms and neck the TIAs cause my to go blind loose my speech and the right side of my body is paralized. I wear more braces than a mummy and I am in a wheelchair I am in constant pain 24/7 and I have other problems I wont list due to personal nature. I have to have 3 carers helping me day and night. If i mention that I have a powered wheelchair do you think they will say I am fit for work. I have a manual wheelchair as well but due to my arm and neck problems I am unable to propel myself. I am worried about all this I cant deny it and it is making me more ill with stress etc. I have been reading all your comments and it is some comfort to note that I am not alone in what I am about to go through. Any advice is welcome.
    Many thanks Jenny

    Comment by Jenny Burrows — July 20, 2012 @ 9:07 pm

  460. Jenny…I couldn’t in my wildest dreams imagine they could find you fit for work just because you operate a powered wheelchair.
    But on the other hand, people with serious brain tumours and lung cancer http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2012/07/19/fife-man-in-death-protest-over-benefits/ have been found fit for work, hell if one was a head with no body they would insist you could get a job in a flippen bowling alley.
    But the answer is, I doubt it very much, believe it but check it, you can phone the CAB or your local welfare rights and ask and see what they say.

    In my opinion you should be in the support group, without the need for a face to face.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 20, 2012 @ 9:57 pm

  461. It seems the DWP /ATOSS alliance are determined to ‘assess’ every claimant come what may and worry people to death if they can. Don’t let them. Remember your a human being with a right to be treated with respect and that the ATOSS so called hcp are amoral ar*eholes otherwise they couldn’t do the job. Stand up for your self and get help from CAB going it alone is difficult.

    Comment by DeCam — July 20, 2012 @ 10:35 pm

  462. Fitness for work tests hit by technical chaos, article by Amelia Gentleman in the Guardian 20 July 2012.

    Basically with only 11 recorders shared between all the UK ATOS assessment centres some of which are ‘broken’ ATOS states that not being able to provide a requested recording of a WCA is NOT sufficient reason to delay an assessment because their newly renewed 3 year contract with the DWP stipulates this.

    So it’s a legal right or not to delay a WCA until ATOS can provide recording equipment.

    11 machines some broken for 11,000 WCA a week across the UK.

    This particular requirement seems strangely under resourced, I wonder why?!

    Comment by DeCam — July 21, 2012 @ 9:44 am

  463. Jenny, have you tried to contact your local M.E association? They might be able to help you out and in some cases should you be called in for a medical may have someone who can accompany you as a witness in case it goes against you. I have found my own group invaluable for helping out and giving me that reassurance that there is someone who i can turn to.

    Comment by tmir — July 21, 2012 @ 11:15 am

  464. Because Grayling hadn’t thought it through, he didn’t realise that all the various anti ATOS sites on the web would be demanding that it is in your/our own best interests to get your assessment at ATOS recorded. People have taken that up with ATOS and it’s caused them serious problems, and now there’s no way out, they have no choice now and will have to get more recorders.

    I suspect you already knew that, and your puzzled question was rhetorical.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 21, 2012 @ 1:13 pm

  465. On the link to atos blog that’s in the article it states that ATOS can demand you attend for assessment even if they can’t provide the recording equipment which is what perplexes me because I thought it was a legal right to have it if you want it but ATOS says no. Sorry if I didn’t make it clear what they are saying.

    Comment by DeCam — July 21, 2012 @ 2:01 pm

  466. It’s up to each individual to do something about that, they are bluffing, either call their bluff and stand up for your self or the alternative is to just give up, bend over and take it up the back pipe.
    Personally I’m demanding a recording, it may be painful, but not half a painful as the alternative.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 21, 2012 @ 2:39 pm

  467. Yes I will also be insisting on a recorded ass..essment by ARSOS!

    Apparently their machines cost £1500 each! Strange when recordings of high quality can easily be made on machines under £100! No doubt another nice little contract awarded to some crony company.

    I’ve realised the argument about all the money being wasted by the assessment, appeal, assessment merry go round is just what the government want, all the money going on admin and favoured organisations of the power elite in effect squandering ceaselessly the money contributed by the public for distribution to those in need and instead purloining it for them and their friends while they think of new ways to channel it away from those who thought they had contributed towards it in better times.

    Vive le revelation!

    Comment by DeCam — July 21, 2012 @ 6:57 pm

  468. Sehr gut und richtig, Berauben die Armen und gib es den rich.

    Sign the petition.

    http://www.avaaz.org/en/bankers_behind_bars_g/?bvEHadb&v=16012

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 21, 2012 @ 7:33 pm

  469. Hi
    I suffer from cerebral palsy, I wasn’t born with it I was given it as a result of failings in the NHS. I was born premature and placed in a faulty incubator on an ICU ward where I was supposed to be monitored 24/7 (meaning at all times). However it seems that they didn’t understand that an when the incubator failed it fell to a young mother who had a baby on the same ward to raise the alarm by the time I was revived the oxygen starvation to my brain left me like this.

    I am 29 years old now 30 this year I have no use of my right arm, my right foot is deformed from walking on my toes all my life I have over tight tendon in my ankle and knee and a bad hip. After many so – called corrective surgery its left me un-able to walk very far I can not run or move fast if I fall to my right I can’t even brace for impact I cant get up without something to pull myself up on or without assistance. Over the past 7 years I have also started to suffer from the joins in my left side becoming painful and developed chronic never ending back pain that doesn’t go away and stops me from sleeping for days.

    Got my esa30 form and a letter stating they are phasing out incapacity benefit filled in the form sent it off filled in truthfully I’ve never lied about my condition, got the medical Thursday, called them up asked for them to record my assessment as I have no one that can go with me they denied even having the facility to do it asked if I could bring my own voice recorder was told NO..

    looks like I’m going to get screwed over when i go for my medical I would like some advice, how they can think that in 18 years I can grow new limbs and a new brain I’ll never know. any advice would be appreciated

    thank you

    Comment by AC — July 22, 2012 @ 6:24 pm

  470. Hello AC.

    First of all you have every right to have your assessment recorded, Chris Grayling (Employment minister) said so in Parliament, for an explanation on why ATOS are trying to deny you your rights see here http://atosvictimsgroup.co.uk/2012/07/20/fitness-for-work-tests-hit-by-technical-chaos/ now just because they cannot supply the equipment why should you be denied your rights, it is not your fault.

    It doesn’t matter to them how awful your condition is, they don’t care, they just want to improve their figures and make you another statistic, so that Government ministers like Grayling and Iain Duncan Smith can stand up in Parliament beat their chests and say, look how many scroungers we have caught, go on look at the figures etc.

    Insist on your right to a recording, ask the folk on our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org some of them have stood their ground and demanded their right to a recorded assessment, and got it, whether you do or not is up to you, but letting them win now will only make them see you as a soft touch and store up trouble for yourself in the future.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 22, 2012 @ 7:47 pm

  471. Good Morning, I just wanted to let you know that if you have Cerebral Palsy, then by rights you do not need a face to face with ATOS at their centre. It is one of the listed medical conditions. I have read it in the ATOS and DWP guidebook. You need to ask for a home visit. I am quite sure I am right in saying this but if not then I AM SURE SOMEONE WILL CORRECT ME

    Comment by Anonymous — July 23, 2012 @ 1:35 am

  472. Yes your right it is one of their listed conditions, but ATOS don’t pay any attention to their own guidebook, and demand everyone comes to their centres for a face to face assessment, it’s up to each individual to demand a home visit if they are too ill to attend, whether their illness is on their idiotic guidebook or not is irrelevant.
    This is just one of the injustices we are fighting against and there are many more, ATOS believe they can do as they please, they believe they can break the law even and they are untouchable, they believe this because it’s true, they have been given a mandate to do as they please because the Government have granted them that mandate.
    In other words they are a criminal organisation who have been given a mandate by this Government and the last Government to abuse peoples rights, we are trying to expose that here and on our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org and trying to do something about it by exposing them for what they are CORPORATE CRIMINALS.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 23, 2012 @ 5:07 am

  473. Hi
    I would just like to tell you about my medical that took place over a year ago. The male nurse from ATOS was an okay guy. I thought I had passed but as you can guess I scored nil points. So I appealed and when I got a copy of the medical I was very surprised to see the nurse had written I should be off work for at least 3 months!
    This was of course ignored my money was stopped and I was put onto JSA. I went to the appeal and I have to say the doctor was one of the most nasty people I have ever had the misfortune to meet. I would have had an ATOS medical any day to seeing this guy.
    I wish every one good luck with their medicals and appeals- but remember not every one wins.
    I did return to work as a carer but the man I looked after died and to cut a long story I was told I have some form of arthritis. My joints are very swollen and painful. So went back onto ESA and I am supposed to be going for my medical today but I cannot go. Will be ringing them some to see what reaction I get. Not looking forward to it!
    Best wishes to all Sharon

    Comment by Anonymous — July 23, 2012 @ 9:20 am

  474. Remember if your assessment is recorded you have TO ASK FOR A COPY or they will assume you don’t want it (as if). It should then be sent to your address,unencrypted, by recorded delivery.

    Another wheeze apparently is if ATOS can’t provide a recording machine then they can offer you the opportunity to record it yourself as long as you have a professional quality dual recorder, doh! Wonder if they have to request a copy from you?!

    Comment by DeCam — July 23, 2012 @ 9:38 am

  475. Anonymous…Let us know how you got on ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 23, 2012 @ 8:45 pm

  476. Hi again everyone,
    Well the strangest thing happened today I called up ATO$ (third time) this time recording the telephone conversation and I told them I was, and asked again about having my medical recorded and guess what? they canceled my medical so that they can get the recording equipment sent from bootle. How can they do that? and why didn’t they do that the first time I asked them too?.

    This site and your sister site has been a wealth of knoledge and even tho its in their guide book and I have cerbal palsy they still wish me to attand at their medical centre not at my home ( I was told before I send my ESA30 form in they would come to me ) But its a start I’ve also arranged with a member of my family to attend with me for my general safety and to take notes I havent fallen in a while but I hardly leave my house but not taking no chances I wonder if I did fall if they would feel guilty?

    Comment by AC — July 24, 2012 @ 8:39 am

  477. Hi AC, trust me they will not feel quilty; my medical was a complete sham, having been made to wait for nearly an hour, no sooner had the examination started it was brought to an abrupt halt as they had not read my form properly and i needed to be assessed by a doctor not one of their trained nurses, i had not got out of the building when i collasped and was subsequently taken to hospital via ambulance, ATOS response, to send me another date to attend their center, i put my foot down and insisited on a home visit (with the full support of my doctor and care worker who was with me at the time) I am now awaiting for the appointment. To be honest having read comments on this site I still expect to get NIL points and have to appeal, they don’t give a crap how ill a person is they just want to report to the gvt how many they have declined and look good.

    Comment by tmir — July 24, 2012 @ 9:40 am

  478. Hello AC.

    They would feel no guilt if you fall and hurt yourself, they would take the view that you agreed to an assessment at their centre, so take care of yourself and take your time. The longer they cancel your assessment the longer you stay on benefits ££££££££££££££££.
    So they are not cancelling your assessment because they are nice people and have your best interests at heart, they are cancelling because you have demanded your rights, so offer no compromise and insist you want that assessment recorded.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 24, 2012 @ 9:54 am

  479. TWO TV INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE WCA
    Thanks to Benefits and Work member papasmurf for alerting us to two programmes about the WCA both being broadcast on Monday 30 July.

    Dispatches. 8pm, Channel 4
    “Using undercover filming, reporter Jackie Long investigates the shocking processes used to assess whether sickness and disability benefit claimants should be declared fit for work.”

    Disabled or faking it? 8.30pm, BBC2
    “Panorama investigates the government’s plans to end the so-called ‘sick note culture’ and their attempts to get millions of people off disability benefits and into work. In Britain’s modern welfare state, millions are being paid to private companies to assess sick and disabled claimants but is the system working? Or are new tests wrongly victimising those who deserve support the most?”

    RECORDING MEDICALS
    The fiasco over the recording of medicals has now even reached the pages of the Guardian (external link).

    Comment by Eponoymous — July 25, 2012 @ 10:52 am

  480. Hi dwpexamination can you tell me if each time atos call someone for an assessment a esa50 form has to be filled in prior or can atos call people in for assessments two in a row?

    My last assessment was voided as the DM decided it lacked credibility after I complained about the content of the report and the hcp apologised for his ‘mistakes’.

    I was migrated to ESA BUT referred for another assessment which I expected to happen without having to fill in another esa50. Now received a new esa50 to fill in!

    Because the DWP DM voided the assessment my Appeal was discontinued BY THE DWP!

    Running scared!?

    A pyrrhic victory, they discontinued my appeal and I have to endure another disgusting assessment.

    Is there a brighter side?

    Comment by DeCam — July 25, 2012 @ 3:35 pm

  481. Yes DeCam…They insist on completing a new ESA 50 Questionnaire, the reason they give is your circumstances could have changed, of course they mean you could have got better, but they forget it works both ways, you could have got worse as well, not that they care if you got worse..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 25, 2012 @ 3:48 pm

  482. They really want to wear us down don’t they?! That’s a rhetorical question!

    I will watch those tv programmes the C4 promo of which states the ‘shocking way claimants are treated’.

    Oops watching TV = 0 points!

    Comment by DeCam — July 25, 2012 @ 6:44 pm

  483. Yes looking forward to Monday DeCam, hope the Government are all sitting watching and screaming Oh no, don’t tell the public about that please, pleasenot that anything but that. AND THEN…IT GETS WORSE.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 25, 2012 @ 8:02 pm

  484. i went to my medical today,and had the,stangest interview ,,i was only there about 15mins only asked a few questions took down all the names of my medication,then all of a sudden he said am ending interview early i dont want to put u threw anymore i have enought evidence,,and just want to make a quick phone call,and then he went out of room few mins later came back and said u can go now,,u should here word in a few weeks,i am sick and was very nervous now am baffled,,has anyone heard anything similiar

    Comment by rose — July 27, 2012 @ 4:20 pm

  485. Oh yes the same happened to me…they will now report that you refused the medical examination and refused to answer any questions……my next one will be recorded….

    Comment by rachael — July 27, 2012 @ 4:30 pm

  486. thats awful,,i wonder what the phone call was all about,,i had witness with me cud they still say that

    Comment by rose — July 27, 2012 @ 4:53 pm

  487. Rose…Don’t exhaust yourself trying to figure out how their minds work, wait and see what the DWP say in a week or two, and then take it from there.

    I can tell you there’s going to be some changes at ATOS healthcare very soon, perhaps those changes have started already today, in anticipation of the dispatches programme (Highlighted in the Guardian) and to be aired this coming Monday evening.

    All I can say is, I wouldn’t like to be an ATOS worker and have to watch this documentary.

    http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=despatches%20atos%20guardian&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2Fsociety%2F2012%2Fjul%2F27%2Fdisability-benefit-assessors-film%3Fnewsfeed%3Dtrue&ei=XeMSULq4EbGV0QWl4oDQDA&usg=AFQjCNG-7CuCfVNkwD-nBZaYmhdkldDY5A&cad=rja

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 27, 2012 @ 6:57 pm

  488. thanks for ur reply,,oh have to watch this monday

    Comment by rose — July 27, 2012 @ 7:27 pm

  489. I know you need 15 points or more to qualify for ESA but do All points given count towards the final total or only say the higher numbers 15, 9, 6? And not 3 or 2?

    Thanks.

    Comment by DeCam — July 29, 2012 @ 8:56 pm

  490. Hello DeCam.

    All points are added up for ESA, they just don’t mix physical with mental health points as they used too.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 30, 2012 @ 5:42 am

  491. Well my number is up and I have no idea on how to proceed. I watched the BBC and C4 programes the other night and it looks like Im screwed before I even go to my ‘Medical’
    I suffer depression and anixetiy and have meniere’s disease which causes me serious dizzy spells and vertigo. It also prevents me from driving. Ive been on Incapicity and DLA since 2004.
    Reading what Ive read and watching that programme the other night it would seem I dont stand a chance of getting any benefit. I could never hold down a job. I *may* be able to get one but the amount of sick days I would end up having would in the end get me sacked.
    Any advice on what I should do would be very much appreciated. Thank you.

    Comment by Terry Tonis — July 31, 2012 @ 8:27 pm

  492. Hello Terry.

    First of all your number is not up, and it’s not true that you don’t stand a chance of getting any benefit.
    Get the assessment first then if the worst comes to the worst you can appeal, you get benefit when you appeal, as well as rent and council tax rebate as well, so you see it’s grim I know but not all doom and gloom.
    You can also go to the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org and get all the help you need to get through this. Remember you are not alone, there’s thousands standing with you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 31, 2012 @ 9:59 pm

  493. why do we see people hold to the belief that many people on benefits are cheating the system? if you have that in your head then everybody is doomed to fail.the percentage of benefit cheats is probably about the same as the amount of MP’s that fiddle their expenses.(i made that up the same way that someone made up the figures on benefit fraud easy eh? ) start from a neutral view and look for the truth not the sun or mails headlines.

    Comment by Anonymous — August 1, 2012 @ 10:46 am

  494. why do we see people hold to the belief that many people on benefits are cheating the system?

    Because they need an excuse and they really don’t have one, so calling people derogatory names like cheats and scroungers is the next best thing.
    Mind you if that’s all they have then they don’t have much do they ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 1, 2012 @ 3:29 pm

  495. Can anyone give me some advice have an atos form to fill in tried to get a covering letter from my GP. Could not get to see my GP for over 2months cos fully booked up have to see Locum Docters. have been told all my medical notes with all of my verification for my disabilities are lost. I either have to go through all the diagnosing again or try and locate my notes myself and I have less than 3 weeks to complete the form. I am seriously thinking of taking my whole medicine cabinet contents. At least then I am not going to be a burden to anyone

    Comment by catwoman — August 3, 2012 @ 2:21 pm

  496. Hello Catwoman.

    I don’t believe all your medical notes are lost, it’s ridiculous they are suggesting that, more likely they are swamped with people asking them for covering letters, they can’t cope and they are looking for excuses.
    Well you can book that appointment with your GP and ask him to re-assess your health, this means a full examination with new notes.

    It doesn’t matter what you show ATOS or the DWP any medical information you have at the moment anyway because they just don’t bother to look at it.

    And this means you will have to appeal anyway, since the appeals are taking around 9 months to be heard then that’s how long you have to get medical evidence to help support your appeal.

    Remember, it’s not how ill you are when you are being assessed, it’s how ill you are from the date the DWP inform you that you are fit for work, that’s the date your money stops as well, so you have a couple of extra weeks on top of the average 9 months to do something.
    You can go here as well http://www.dwpexamination.org and they can give you loads of advice to help you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 3, 2012 @ 2:51 pm

  497. Hi
    I was most interested in all the comments here but was wondering….my wife was on Incapacity Benefit for a few years and during that time underwent several medicals (where she was deemed unfit for work) but when she migrated to ESA she was sent a form and assessed solely on her answers on that form and she has not been given another medical. She has recently got a letter putting her in a Work Related Activity Group. Is this right or should she have had another medical. Any advice on what to do now please?

    Comment by Concerned Husband — August 4, 2012 @ 8:33 am

  498. Hello CH.

    Well it all depends on whether she believes she should be in the support group rather than the work related group ?

    And I hope you are aware that if a person is put on to the Work related group and has been receiving Contributory rather than Income related IB, then because Contributory ends after 365 days and is retrospective this means that her ESA could end shortly. Yes that means no sickness benefits, none whatsoever, zero, zilch. And if you ask what you can do for money ? the answer from the arrogant DWP worker will be go and sign on if you want money.

    The reason she hasn’t had to go for a medical assessment is because they are swamped with the changeover from IB to ESA and also the DLA assessment with a future transfer to PIP have to be dealt with now as well.

    So you can see the reason/s ? they can’t cope at the moment and so are making decisions on paper rather than a face to face, but the sly DWP are not telling people who have been put in to the work related version of ESA that their sickness benefits are going to run out when the 365 expires.

    But the 365 expiry date doesn’t apply if one is put in to the support group, it only applies if one is put in to the WRAG.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 4, 2012 @ 9:12 am

  499. Can you move. To pip with out a medical assement because I just moved to ea support group with out a face to face assement thanks.

    Comment by Anonymous — August 4, 2012 @ 7:30 pm

  500. Hello Anonymous.

    Yes it seems that some people will not need a face to face when PIP is introduced in April 2013, who those some people are I don’t know, with ATOS no one can predict.
    Here’s a link with some useful information about PIP.

    http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=when%20does%20the%20pip%20come%20in&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CGYQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.personalindependencepayment.co.uk%2F&ei=jIYdUOugOJC20QW7lIGYDg&usg=AFQjCNFNA68nafV9A2Ar77RftMsFEwnGBw&cad=rja

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 4, 2012 @ 8:42 pm

  501. I have my gas chamber appointment next week, i have written to both dwp and ATOSSERS demanding i want my session recorded. If they refuse and i dont attend, will my benefit be sanctioned? Also im planning on taking my lawyer with me, is this aloud?
    Fight these bastards, we will win.

    Viva la revolution.

    Comment by padDY — August 7, 2012 @ 8:45 pm

  502. Hello padDY.

    If ATOS refuse to offer you a recording, under no circumstances do you refuse to attend an assessment, and here’s the reason why…If you refuse to attend an assessment then they can inform the DWP that you did not turn up for an appointment to be assessed for benefits, and this means you will be sanctioned. Better to turn up for the appointment, and if they refuse to record the assessment then this gives you two choices.
    You can accept the assessment under strong protest, and mention you will be complaining to everyone from your GP to your MP all the way up to Chris Grayling the Employment minister (As well as ATOS management) that your right to a recorded assessment was violated.

    Or when you turn up and they motion to start the assessment, you can say ‘We will start when you switch on the NEAL Recorder”, where is it ? I don’t see it, could you please bring it in before we start because as you know because I have already told you I want my assessment recorded, it’s ok I will wait here until you bring it in, then we can get started.
    This will put them on the spot, and gives them a choice, either they reschedule until they get the recorder, or send you away to make another appointment.
    But and here’s the crucial part, they cannot say to the DWP that you refused to attend an assessment on your eligibility for ESA, and give them a chance to sanction you, this is important because if the worst comes to the worst and you have to appeal against a possible sanction the appeal panel will look to see if you refused to attend the assessment, they will see that you kept the appointment (Which is the important part) and advice the DWP to offer another appointment.

    By the way, you can take anyone with you to an assessment.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 7, 2012 @ 9:05 pm

  503. Dear dwpexamination.
    Many thanks for your reply and helpful answer. I will do what you say, but i will be ringing them before my appointmrnt to confirm my request, and see what craap they have to say. This whole fiasco is totally unbelievable, as someone with a degenerative condition, nothings changes, only for the worst.. how long does it usually take to be contacted with your decision? And if they decide your fit for work, does all your benefits cease with imediate effect? Ie DLA, housing benefit etc?
    Thanks.

    Comment by padDY — August 8, 2012 @ 6:26 am

  504. Hello padDY.

    If you are found fit for work, you will be contacted by the DWP anytime from a week to a couple of months, all depends on what the HCP says on the ESA 85 assessment report et al.
    That’s the date when all benefits will cease (They sometimes use that assessment for ESA to determine if you are entitled to DLA as well), but when you send them notice you are appealing along with a sickline then the assessment (Same monetery deal as Jobseekers) rate will start immediately.

    Don’t worry about it, if you have to appeal or make a complaint to ATOS, your MP or Chris Grayling or forming an appeal itself then you can get all the help here at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org we will help you, especially if you don’t feel like writing letters (Refusal of benefits often offends, and is upsetting) or e-mails etc, we will write it for you and all you need to do is chop and change to suit yourself then send it on.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 8, 2012 @ 8:43 am

  505. is that right, ALL benefits are stopped? I thought these assessments only affected ESA not housing /council tax benefit or even DLA which comes under review seperately when the change over occurs

    Comment by tmir — August 8, 2012 @ 4:00 pm

  506. Hi tmir.

    That’s right, no ESA, no council tax rebate, no rent rebate, and if you receive DLA and the ATOS report is unfavorable they sometimes use that to stop your DLA as well.

    Of course if you were found unfit for work they don’t use that report to help give you DLA.

    So then you may ask, what does one do for money ?, well phone them up and ask them, and the answer will be ”Go and sign on for work” of course they would just love to add on in there ”You scrounger” but since the calls are recorded they can’t.

    There’s another alternative, which guarantees some money to live on, and a rent/council tax rebate, which is to appeal against their decision to find one fit for work. They very rarely tell one that on the phone, I believe they are discouraged from mentioning it to people, but if you look closely enough at the ESA 65 decision makers statement of reasons you will see on there somewhere that you have a right to appeal their decision rather than singing on.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 8, 2012 @ 4:25 pm

  507. Thaanks again for quick answer.
    If thats fact, thats quite unbelievable that if you are deemed fit for work, you lose your HB/CTB, how are you spose to pay your rent etc???
    I have read somewhere that if ATOS refuse to offer you a recorded session, its better to just not turn up, and you have more chance of appealing against non-attendance that a failed “medical”
    Is this is the case whilst appealing you still get minimum benefits?
    Is this correct?
    Im reading into the chances of getting a recorded session =0/nil/zero.
    With 1 week to go before my assessment, i feel the noose pulling tighter, and the worry is unbearable.

    Comment by padDY — August 9, 2012 @ 7:34 am

  508. First of all padDY, YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME, if you do not turn up then they will say you are not entitled to benefits because you refused to be assessed, everything else falls by the wayside and becomes irrelevant as soon as you demonstrate non compliance.

    It would be better if you at least turned up to be assessed and found there was no recording device and you refused to be assessed, at least they cannot say you refused to present yourself for an assessment for entitlement to benefits.

    As I said before, this is important if you ever have to appeal because it has already been demonstrated in another case that the person wasn’t refusing to be assessed but refusing to be assessed without a recording. So the Judge, seeing this, refereed the appellant for another re-assessment.

    If you are found fit for work and refused ESA yes all benefits will stop, but if you appeal and attache a sickline then you will be granted the assessment rate, this means you will get the same money as Job seekers allowance and the same rent and council tax rebate.

    The appeal form is called a GL24 form, so why don’t you look ahead and walk in to your nearest Job centre plus and ask for one (They hand them out), when and if you get bad news from the DWP in the future you can phone your GP that day to book an appointment and get a sickline, then write on the GL24 that you intend to appeal against their decision to find you fit for work, explain that you don’t agree with the decision maker and when they send you the ESA 85 assessment report then you will forward the rest of your appeal in when you have had time to study it and compose the rest of your appeal,
    I understand that in order to comply with the law I need to supply your office with a sickline, please find one sickline attached.

    If you do that then you may find that they might/don’t even bother to inform the housing department that you are no longer receiving benefits, and your claim for benefits can hopefully run on uninterrupted.

    So as I said if the worst comes to the worst then you will be primed and waiting, if you get good news instead then you haven’t lost anything by being prepared, and could even use the GL24 appeal form in the future because believe me, no matter what happens they will be back for another round in the future.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 9, 2012 @ 10:32 am

  509. Can you av pip recorded

    Comment by Anonymous — August 10, 2012 @ 6:59 am

  510. Anonymous. Do you mean audio video by yourself ? no…if you pull out an AV recorder I think you will find that the assessment will stop on the spot, ATOS will inform the DWP you were at the madam and your benefits will come to a grinding halt.
    And ATOS themselves do not offer that facility, just a sound recording.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 10, 2012 @ 7:55 am

  511. I have a autoimmune connective tissue disorder which causes me pain continually.I have had my report from the visiting doctor from Atos, I have been left reeling he states I can walk 200metres before experiencing pain.he asked me to walk across my room which was three steps across three steps back which I had to hold on to furniture to do. I also had told him they were delivering my new flat handled sticks that day as the round handled sticks caused my hands to become to painful. he asked questions like if I don’t take my medication how do I feel I told him the pain is unbearable. Although I told him the medication I am on does not stop all the pain and I still find it difficult to cope with the pain. I am on long term steroids and the first four months pain was limited but steroids not working and am working with my consultant to be weaned off of them as they are causing me other problems. I can’t take Opiates as I am allergic to them he wrote I am on low dose medication pain killers so pain not to bad. I am on Tramadol to be used with paracetamol which I might add does not take the pain away.I have a Cpap machine that I have to use at night and because my hands get very painful I get assistance to put my mask on at night because I cannot unclip or clip it up. He says in his report that this is not a problem although he did not want to see my machine and see what I meant. He also said he would not ask me to climb the stairs as he saw I was struggling. yet in his report he said I could manage the stairs get in and out of the bath with no trouble my bathroom is upstairs and I do have problems getting in and out of the bath. the only good thing is he put although I could walk 200metres in his opinion I struggled when I was outside walking. I have to go to the appeal in 2 weeks I feel what is the point they do not want to know about my doctors or consultants opinion.
    My doctor said to keep fighting

    Comment by filomena meffe — August 11, 2012 @ 10:06 am

  512. Hello FM.

    It’s all par for the course and is just the ATOS HCPs opinion, it doesn’t mean anything to anyone with half a brain, and now that they have been exposed for the charlatans that they are (Dispatches documentary) no one will ever believe anything they say – You Know – like the boy who cried wolf.

    So when you appeal there is a point, you will win and avoided becoming another statistic and prove them wrong, and by the way, the appeal panel will certainly be interested in your Doctors or Consultants opinion.

    So go to the appeal and they will ask you questions on your functional ability, you answer them and you will get your benefits.

    You don’t even need to mention to the panel that ATOS are all liars, don’t worry the panels all know now that ATOS and the DWP are liars..!!

    Good luck and let us know the result.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 11, 2012 @ 10:32 am

  513. Thanks again for reply. Can i ask what is a “sickline”?
    So, if i turn up for assessment, and there is no recording device there, can i refuse to be assessed? And would they offer me another apointment?
    Should i ring them to ask if my letter requesting this has been received?
    3 days to go before the nightmare medical, makes me more ill just thinking about it.
    Shocking to think if they say your fit for work you get nothing, there must be so many poor people who are on there knees. Sad sad world.

    Comment by padDY — August 14, 2012 @ 4:05 pm

  514. Hello padDY.

    Yes a sickline is a medical certificate, you get a sickline from your GP if the DWP ask for one, if you are found fit for work then they will definitely ask you to send them a sickline if you appeal, this is because you are saying you are too ill to work, of course if you do not appeal and sign on for JSA instead then you do not need to send them a sickline because you are not claiming to be ill.

    The rest ? I can only refer you to my answer above (509) and the choice is yours, you have to decide yourself how important it is to you that a bunch of liars record your assessment.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 14, 2012 @ 6:22 pm

  515. Hi well i have just posted my esa50 form. What a horrendous form to fill in. Can anyone tell me how long on average you have to wait to hear from them. Thanks yours catwoman

    Comment by Jennifer Burrows — August 15, 2012 @ 9:05 am

  516. Hello Jennifer.

    Can take any amount of time…they will contact you when they’re ready, the longer you wait the longer you stay on your right to benefits..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 15, 2012 @ 11:43 am

  517. Why doesn’t all esa claiments just go into the interview and act really dumb and get angry sometimes and shout and complain that the room is to small or big decline all movements the doctor asks you to do and pain discomfort grounds and just to throw the cherry on top get legless aswell.

    That’s what i plan on doing, i have heared multiple people doing this sort of thing and getting passes

    Comment by Anonymous — August 23, 2012 @ 4:54 pm

  518. Hello Anonymous.

    I suppose they would have you/us down as a nutcase/s, if your happy with that then go on and be their guest.
    I’m sure there will come a time when everyone who attends an ATOS assessment will be dumbed down enough with the sheer stress to be eligible for special circumstances 35(2)(b).

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 23, 2012 @ 10:15 pm

  519. I was diagnosed with inflamatory breast cancer last may and had chemo, radiation and had lymph nodes and breast removed plus on hormone therapy for 5years. I was given herceptin introveniously every 3 weeks but had it cancelled this may as it damaged my heart and I suffered conjestive heart failure. My heart was working at 20% efficiancy and fluid filled my lungs causing severe breating difficulties. There has been an improvement and my heart is now at 45% efficiancy. Reading the comments plus watching panarama and dispatches on tv has convienced me that despite suffering numerous side effects from 6 differant meds I will get nil points at my esa medical next week. Side effects include dizzy spells fainting muscle cramps and fatigue pheripheral nueropathy (pins and needles an numbness to hands and feet) I have not had a nights sleep in over a year and cannot walk far without pain or breathing difficulties. I have poor concentration and I have no appetite and need prompting to eat I am over a stone under weight and I am lethal in the kitchen causing accidents such as cuts and burns and always dropping things such as cups of tea as my hands just suddenly loose gip. To make things worse I am also on anti depressants as I also suffer anxiety, low mood and have panic attacks. My employer has also decided to sack me as I am unable to meet my terms of employment. Life really sucks sometimes. I was a care assistant in a residential home for the elderly and I am now being cared for myself. My daughter has had to help me write this as I am not computer literate.I wish I could be well again and I certainly do not want to be a non productive member of society but I don’t have a magic wand to make me better. Shame on this Goverment for scrutinising the already vunerable in society.

    Comment by mandy — August 23, 2012 @ 11:42 pm

  520. Hello mandy.

    Every single day for the last three years we have been hearing horror stories, most people said, they can’t do thaaaaaaaat, and for the last three years we have been ramming it in to their skulls that not only are they (ATOS) doing it they have the full backing of the Government to do thaaaaaaat.
    Can you imagine my frustration ? can you even begin to imagine the hopelessness of trying to explain to people who are in denial and just won’t listen because they have it in their heads that the Government wouldn’t do thaaaaaat, and all we could do was try our best to convince them that it’s all true, we even got people coming on here saying we were liars and scoudrels and we were warped people for spouting rubbish like that.

    Then a saviour appeared, the dispatches programme a couple of weeks ago, and now the whole world knows that they are doing thaaaaaat. (It’s also saved us a lot of work).
    So if you don’t get the benefits you are entitled to then appeal, we will help here at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 24, 2012 @ 5:05 am

  521. Thanks dwpexamination, I appreciate you commenting back. I understand I can appeal a decision however as many of you have mentioned appeals take months it has taken 7 months to just get my first medical assesment. I am hopeing that eventually my condition will improve and I will eventually be able to return to work. So if I appeal and I do manage to return to work probrably working limited hours brfore the appeal takes place how will I be able to continue an appeal once returning to work? I would have to kiss goodbye any backpay owed to me. I am already struggling financially on £72 a week as the dla is still dealing with my claim and as many of you am finding the whole process stressfull and depressing to the point that I have often wished I had died of cancer as I now feel worthless just a nuisence to friends and family and now a burden to the tax payer. I feel that by the time I get the financial help I need I will be penniless but well enough to be going back to work. I will not lie about my condition and as many others say I cannot sign on as I would be lieing if i said I was actively seeking work because at this present time I am not well enough to work unless there is an employer out there that will allow me dozens of toilet breaks (on water tablets and suffer diarrhoea)and allow me to stand, sit or move around freely also will accept that can suddenly loose use of my hands may pass out or be unable to complete a task, will constantly yawn and be excessively tired etc etc etc. So any one wants to offer me employment I am perfectly willing to give it a go rather than have to beg for benefits.
    I am scared that this medical will deem me fit for work and as my whole world has already crashed on me I think this will make me even more ill. Must stop moaning now as got my 106th hospital appointment to attend, will be back when I get my medical assesment results.

    Comment by mandy — August 24, 2012 @ 1:35 pm

  522. Mandy…If you do appeal, and have started work then it’s possible to get a paper hearing, not as good perhaps, but if you are at work what else can you do ?.
    If you win then all the money they owe you is backdated, so it’s worth it to appeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 24, 2012 @ 4:15 pm

  523. I have got a forthcoming tribunal.after losing claim with 6 points.when they say medical evidence and evidence to take with you..wot do they exactly want
    Thanks

    Comment by rachael — August 30, 2012 @ 4:03 pm

  524. Rachael..They mean a GPs medical report, or a report on your health from the hospital or your consultant..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 30, 2012 @ 5:42 pm

  525. I’ve had my assessment today and now I’m really scared. I’ve been on IB for over ten years due to depression and anxiety. if my benefits get stopped due to the silliest questions being asked today, wot would happen as I have a 5 and3 year olds. wot wood I be entitled to as I’ve only one child at school. reading ur page as terrified the life out of me. this government are dreadfully good at ruining peoples life’s but none are willing to take a stand. I literally feel sick regarding my families future. x

    Comment by anom — August 30, 2012 @ 9:52 pm

  526. Hi Anon.

    Sorry you are frightened, that’s not our intention, we want you all to know what these people are doing, that way you can prepare yourself in the best way you can.
    If your benefits are stopped then that’s not the end, it’s just the beginning of your appeal, we on the forum can show you what to do step by step all the way, that’s the secret, take each thing at a time.
    The very worst that can happen is the assessment rate, you will get your rent and council tax paid as normal.
    Think up a username and log in here http://www.dwpexamination.org with any concerns, over a thousand members who can help you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 30, 2012 @ 10:17 pm

  527. Hi there. First of all I want to thank you for persevering in helping people after this many years. I am having my first Atos appointment on the 20th and glad to have found your information before heading there. I am not putting my hopes high as I do not look like there is anything wrong with me. Will go and read a bit more on your forum. One can never be informed enough.
    Thank you.

    Comment by Kyleigh — September 3, 2012 @ 1:14 pm

  528. Please read the Lotus Sutra interpreted by Nichiren Daishonin, best English translation by Burton Waston, it shows a better path to take, you can find it on the internet. Maybe if all of us become aware of cause and effect without time restrictions, that means being more responsible for our thoughts, actions and deeds, than we will have a better government that will care about the the disabled and poor which includes working poor.

    Comment by jod — September 4, 2012 @ 6:16 pm

  529. So, if you fail the assessment / exam / test whatever, do you go back to the GP staright away, and get him to sign you off again ?
    Can legal action be taken agianst ATOS ?

    Comment by Steve Williams — September 8, 2012 @ 5:02 pm

  530. Hi Steve.

    Get your GP to sign you off again ? why would you want to do that ? unless your fit for work.

    No…What you do is appeal, and you can do this by getting a GL24 appeal form as well as the ESA85 assessment report, write out the appeal and attache a sickline to the appeal as well as asking for the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard.
    Go to the appeal hearing and win, then get ready for the whole process starting again, and you keep doing it until the DWP gets the message you are never going to be beaten.
    You don’t ever go and sign on ever, unless as I said you are genuinely fit for work.

    Yes legal action can be taken against ATOS, and they can be beaten easily in court, BUT..have you got at least quarter of a million plus to spare ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 8, 2012 @ 5:11 pm

  531. Hello I have only just found your site. I have an ATOS assessement tomorrow and am very scared. I have been on the ESA assessment rate since January, and suffer with depression, anxiety and a neurological problem which effects my upper limbs. The question I wish to ask is this, if I do not get 15 points, will my benefits stop immediately, Would I remain on ESA while I am appealing? (if I need to).Would it automatically transfer to job seekeers. I am very anxious as I am a single parent of a 9 year old and going through bankcruptsy and rent privately. I need to survive and can’t risk loosing our home, as nearly happened this year already. I can’t afford any days without my benefits. Your prompt advice is fully appreciated please. Thank you

    Comment by Davina — September 11, 2012 @ 4:20 pm

  532. Hello Davina.

    If you are found fit for work by the DWP decision maker you will be told either by phone or more likely by letter.

    As soon as this happens, do not delay, book an appointment with your GP and get a sickline, send the DWP a letter with the sickline attached and say on there that you wish to appeal against their decision to find you fit for work, please find sickline attached and while you wait can you be paid the assessment rate,
    could they send you a GL24 form in order for you to legally appeal, they will respond by either sending a GL24 form or more likely an acknowledgement that your appeal has been accepted and if you have any extra medical evidence please send it to them and they will reconsider their decision.

    As soon as your appeal is accepted by the DWP they immediately pay you the assessment rate, the assessment rate for a single person is £71 a week paid fortnightly, rent and council tax rebate should be the same as before, it’s basically the same deal as Job seekers allowance.

    Normally I would recommend asking for the ESA85 assessment report at the same time as the GL24 appeal form, but since you want to be paid the assessment rate as soon as possible, then waiting until your appeal is accepted by the DWP decision maker will get the assessment rate moving quicker with less delay, because they think you don’t know about the ESA85 assessment report and will be happy to accept your appeal quicker, you see what I’m saying, they are glad you don’t know about the ESA85 assessment report, you want to give them the impression you are unenlightened and don’t know anything, the DWP love people like that.
    They will rub their hands in glee thinking you don’t realise you are legally entitled to see the assessment report, the DWP combat people who ask for the ESA 85 by just delaying it for as long as possible anyway, this means they don’t accept your appeal so quickly and you don’t get paid so quickly either.

    Then once they have accepted your appeal and paid the assessment rate, you can send them another letter and ask them for the ESA85 assessment report in order for you to compose a proper appeal.

    You see, it doesn’t matter so much when you send the rest of your appeal, but it matters that you indicate to them that you are appealing and since they have a months deadline for appeals you haven’t got time to wait around for the ESA85 because they deliberately hold it back anyway, the reasons they hold it back are complex, but the main gist is if you do not have the ESA85 to study then it’s much harder to compose an appeal because you don’t know what the HCP has said about you that has found you fit for work.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 11, 2012 @ 5:29 pm

  533. Hi Everyone i have a few questions i recently had an atos assesement and have been placed in work programe scheme ,i had my fist meeting at the job centre today , no loop system in the whole building ,and the adviser seemed more intreasted in her facebook account , she asked what sort of job i wanted , she had to write questions for me , it was very poor and i have another appointment jan 2013

    Comment by Very Big Tony — September 13, 2012 @ 2:01 pm

  534. They haven’t got jobs Tony, so they probably think well what’s the point.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 14, 2012 @ 6:10 am

  535. Having had my medical a couple of weeks ago I recieved a letter from dwp today. I have been placed in the support group and my money will increase plus I have been given back pay.I feel like a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders. So glad that I went prepared after reading all the comments, so a big thankyou to you all. I wish I was well enough to celebrate the good news.I have also finally seen a specialist nurse who will help me manage my illness and sort my meds and he has helped me see a glimmer of light at the end of a very dark tunnel. I do have a question to ask, do I still need to send in sick notes to dwp as my letter does not mention what to do next?
    Thanks and good luck to all with their medicals

    Comment by mandy — September 19, 2012 @ 1:38 pm

  536. Another succesful result Mandy.
    No you do not have to supply sicklines because you have officially been found unfit for work, at least for the moment, don’t be under any illusions though they can be back anytime.
    Cheers.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 19, 2012 @ 2:05 pm

  537. hi i have just received the dreaded appoinment to go see ato im terrified of the questions and of the examantion i have nerve problems in my stomach and after seeing a consultant he said i wasnt fit for work as im in constant pain do u think i should request a letter from my doc or consultant to take with me any advice u can give me would b greatfully appreciated

    Comment by Anonymous — September 22, 2012 @ 1:07 pm

  538. Hello Anonymous.

    Of course it will help, if not at the assessment then at the future appeal hearing, especially when the letter of support pre-dates the actual assessment.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 22, 2012 @ 2:36 pm

  539. hi could somebody explain what i have to do i had a back operation 25 yrs ago never been able to walk properly since was awarded dla high rate plus carers allowance high rate.last year was diagnosed with two types of cancer polycythemia and leukimia year before had clots in the leg.leukimia is know in remision not curable and the polycythemia still having treatment for.now as my claim originaly was 25 yrs ago do i still put on the form as from last yr have cancer?any info would be great i do wont to make a mess of the form as reading peoples cases are horrific thanks in advance

    Comment by adrian — September 23, 2012 @ 6:19 pm

  540. Hello adrian.

    You can only put on the form the health conditions that pertain to you and how long you have suffered with those health conditions, there’s not a lot you can do other than that, after you have filled in the form and sent it to ATOS it is in the lap of the gods, let’s hope the gods are favourable to you this time, with the health conditions that you have described anything less than the support group without attending an assessment is unacceptable.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 23, 2012 @ 7:21 pm

  541. Hi, Ive recived a letter today telling me to atend an Atos medical, however Ive not filled in a esa50!!. Im actually going to atend this “assesment”/”Medical” and im going to be ever so interested in the Doctors actions!!. What do you think they will do?

    Comment by Karl winnett — September 24, 2012 @ 1:16 pm

  542. Requesting an assessment attendance without the need to fill in a ESA50 is becoming very common these days, what they will say to you is anybodys guess.
    You could say to them ”Have you seen the latest scandal, it’s in the papers, a bad company called ATOS are fabricating medical assessments it seems”
    And show them this latest newspaper article and see what they say.
    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nurse-makes-heartfelt-apology-after-1340838

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 24, 2012 @ 2:14 pm

  543. Hello, what depressing reading all this is. I would appreciate your thoughts on the following, (With apologies for the length, I’ve been typing on and off for hours!)
    .
    Fifteen years ago I suffered a viral infection that nearly killed me and left me almost completely incapable for some time. My diagnosis then was ME but even my consultant admitted that this was a catch all as my condition was post viral and he felt my symptoms were in fact caused by injury to my brain – in his opinion the very high temperatures of 105F+ I suffered, that couldn’t be lowered for some days, effectively cooked parts of it. In consequence I suffer with fatigue, muscle weakness, muscle and joint pain, general malaise, ‘brain fog’, poor body temperature regulation, constant tinnitus and a string of other symptoms and was sadly forced to stop working. I have seen a little improvement in the intervening years but one does not recover from a brain injury of this kind and I have certainly always been found eligible for IB, including at my last assessment which was carried out by ATOS. Since that date I have been diagnosed with both rheumatoid arthritis, which is affecting my hands and feet and causing extreme fatigue, and with hypertension (high blood pressure), which after a year is still not properly controlled by medication.

    Before sending it off I scored my IB50 form using the various guides available online and did not expect to reach 15 points now the goal posts have been moved as I can walk, talk, work a microwave and we have a dog! I have however been called for a WCA, I believe due to a fourth recently acquired condition that is as yet undiagnosed. For some reason – possibly the RA – my jaw is now out of alignment, making it impossible for me to chew solid food as my upper and lower teeth don’t meet where they should, and I have been living on mush for months. An x-ray has shown a significant discrepancy between my right and left jaw joints but so far no one has been able to identify the cause and I am waiting for an appointment with a specialist and am told I will probably need an operation to correct the problem. I believe the inability to chew is a support group indicator, but as it is perfectly possible to survive on porridge, soup, cheesy mash, mushy peas, fruit purée and yoghurt (all of which by the way my husband cooks and prepares for me) I have no doubt that in my case this issue is misleading, although God forbid I could yet discover it is being caused by something dire.

    I am due to have a WCA next week as part of the process of migration from IB to ESA. As my conditions are all fluctuating in severity and given the nature of the assessment (that’s me being polite, the whole thing is a farce and criminally unfair) I expect to be awarded 0 points. But I am also concerned by the acute danger posed by the sudden spikes in my blood pressure which occur when I am under a lot of stress. This has happened a few times now to the point of near collapse and is in fact what led to my hypertension diagnosis, but as it would be a problem wherever the assessment was carried out I can see no way to avoid it happening again. I should be clear that I do not suffer from anxiety, beyond the ‘nerves’ you might expect under the circumstances, the blood pressure rise is entirely beyond my influence or control.

    Please understand that I am a fighter – I wouldn’t have got through the last fifteen years if I hadn’t been – but I am worn out by fighting. And I am married to a man earning a good wage so were I to be awarded ESA and put in the WRAG group – surely the most I can expect – it would be contributory and so time limited. I’m not sure I can face putting myself through another round of ATOS assessment, with all the attendant risks to my well-being, for a benefit I am going to lose anyway, even were I to win an appeal if initially refused it.

    I feel writing this as if I am letting the side down, sorry. But I need to ask about the implications of withdrawing from the process. My husband is concerned that I could be asked to repay some of my IB though I would have thought this unlikely? If I decide to go down this path should I contact DWP to say I’m withdrawing my claim? Or just not turn up for the medical? I simply don’t have the energy any more to battle in the way that some of you so admirably have done, call it battle fatigue! And unlike many of you, though we may have to tighten our belts and sell the house and move to something smaller, my losing my benefit won’t mean we starve.

    Digger

    Comment by Digger — September 26, 2012 @ 1:41 am

  544. Hello Digger.

    There are many reasons why you should give up, and one good reason why you shouldn’t is because you are due Employment and support allowance, it’s yours by right.

    It may run out after 365 days, that’s because the Government have robbed you, they hope you will not fight back, they hope you will curl up in a ball and accept what they say, did our forefathers dodge their responsibility when Hitler told them to do as he said ? no way ho say, they said stuff you Hitler, you might win but we are going to use every piece of our strength to make it as difficult for you as possible you piece of scum.

    You see, we don’t have the luxury of giving in, because after these bastards have dealt with us and seen how easy it is for people to just give up, then who is their next target, it will be you children next, they’ve already started on the NHS.

    So don’t give up, fight them every step of the way, do you think I can be bothered getting up at this time in the morning answering questions from people who are ready to cave in, no way, I’d rather get back in to that bed for a good snooze, but I practice what I preach and make the effort.

    Anyway, who said your money ends after 365 days ? not if you are in the SUPPORT GROUP of contributory ESA it doesn’t, and judging by your health conditions you should be in the support group and not the work related version, if you attend the medical and fight for the support group of ESA and win then you can get ESA indefinitely or at least until ATOS call you back, and something might happen in that time because right now ATOS are on their last legs, things are happening in the background you may or (may not) know about that’s going to put ATOS in their place.

    So take each day at a time, that way it’s much easier to handle, that’s the key and is less stressful, take each day at a time and tackle each problem as it comes, we can help you appeal if you need too, we can show you the way in painless easy stages how to get through it, just don’t give up, let them see you are not (Ever) going to be a pushover.

    You can go here to our sister site as well and get all the help you need to get through this http://www.dwpexamination.org

    By the way, I said ATOS are on their last legs, read this http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nurse-makes-heartfelt-apology-after-1340838 an ATOS whistleblower has appeared, more will follow, it wont be long before ATOS go down the pan, so be strong, hang in there and be a part in their downfall.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 26, 2012 @ 5:21 am

  545. Hi, i had recently recieved a telephone call from the JC to inform me that i will be recieving a form to fill in which i have just got this morning through the post.
    After reading through the forum it does offer help but also can send you into panic stations with the “in all likelyhood fail” assessment that i will no doubt be attending in due course.

    I suffered from a very severe and rare vasculitis attack that left me unable to walk for 8 months, now 5 years on after seeing two specialists, one in vasculitis the other in Lymphodema, they informed me that the original specialist, a dermatologist, missed what would have been the best care for me to have recieved at the time.
    (Will these ATOS specialists be conversed in either of these medical professions?)

    They both agreed that a course of steroids may have helped, but the statement from them both was “that boat has long gone” and that has now left a duel problem, whereby my feet and legs swell due to any number of reasons from stress of walking to watching what foods and drinks i consume, to simply laying in a bed and waking up in the morning unable to plant my feet on the carpet.

    The problem is intermitten for full blown attacks where my feet swell causing severe pain, but it also affects my right shoulder and left knee which can also swell between the joints, which really does stop the use of both limbs totally. i have to drag my left leg, the pain is so severe i can not lift it at all and sleeping with the pain of my right shoulder is only achieved from extra medication.

    I am in general pain 24 hours a day, and i have constant aches and pains in my legs, feet and arms, my walking has become disjointed by “learning to walk” from my 8 months of inactivity, but over the years i have adapted to a routine where although i become niggly through the day i am not over doing anything that would cause me become laid up for days which was the case a few years back.

    My right shoulder has now become limited in it’s ability, to say that my right arm can rach higher than my left is only one of the differences between the two.

    Also feet have become raised at the front leading so that my toes do not touch the floor causing more strain to other parts of my feet and legs.

    The specialists have both said it is basically a illness condition that needs to be cared for as there is no real cure for it, it has to be managed through an array of medication and lifestyle modes.

    Long term, the illness can affect the heart, liver & lungs and it can cause total incapcity to even death, i know hand on heart, even in myself i would’nt be able to work any long duration, and still being ambitious this is something that i find a challenge that i would love to conquer and still do something in my own way.

    But i am also a little fearful of being dependent on the state whereby benefits can be taken away from you, (oh look at what maybe on the adjenda) and this can lead to side effects such as depression, anxiety, stress, and array of other psychological pathways that i would clearly like to avoid, as i have a young family at home i really would’nt want to put them through extra stress, it is bad enough for them i am sure to see their father unable to do the majority of what their friends fathers can do with them.

    I have in turn tried to do more mental activities, reading more not only myself but heping my children more, learning to play chess, teaching theory if i am unable to participate practically and so on, but from reading the forum this will no doubt lead them to the thought of i am more than capable of “doing something”.

    I attempted to enrol at college this past September and was immediately sent a letter to expect a phone call from the JC, and if i was fit to go to college therefore i would be able to attend work, so learning a new skill, is out of my reach as i would not be able to attend a course as i would be able to work, i feel trapped about this as my former job was HGV something that i would simply be unable to do unless i wanted to shorten my life considerably.

    I am also now a diabetic through the lack of physical activity, i am as well on a array of medication of pain killers and pills that help to stop further damage.
    When i go and see the GP and give blood test they always return with large red lettering warning such as my liver count as raised or that my diabetes is 19.6

    I will no doubt be deemed fit to work at a computer or call centre or maybe even a Miner or something equally propostrous soon but i will keep you informed.

    (PS, due to my feet swelling i generally wear flip flops and three quater pants so i look like a beach surfer or something due to tightness of trousers that irritate my skin, and shoes are usually too tight for me to wear unless i wear a size 13 (i am a size 10) for space.
    I have become used to the remarks, but i am not sure how H&S would deem me fit wearing this light array of clothing.
    I also recently tried to get life insurance, whereby the overseer personally telephoned me to say “unfortunately” we can’t insure you unless you want to pay a premium of around £300 PM) …

    .How would a company be able to insure me in the workplace?

    Thanks in advance.

    Comment by Marc — September 29, 2012 @ 1:03 pm

  546. Hello Marc.

    When you go for the interview the work focused adviser will see you cannot work, people are being forced in to these WFIs by the Government, it’s all a scam.
    The WFA will ask you some questions like what you worked at before and do you know that if and when you find a job you will be entitled to such and such a sum of money to buy work boots, work clothes etc, aren’t we kind folks at the Job centre plus and so on.

    Then you shake hands promise to become firm friends (She/he might even give you their number, how thrilling) and you both go on your way.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 29, 2012 @ 4:29 pm

  547. I have a HCP coming to my home on Tuesday to give me an interogation.
    It took them 8 months to arrange it.

    I asked my doctor to write to them back in March when they requested i go to see them…3 hours away! They had decided a 3 hour journey by bus, train and cab would take 40 minutes!

    I suffer from PTSD after being robbed, attacked, stabed and almost killed in my home last year. So as you can imagine im very wary of anyone coming to my door nowadays. I doubt the “Dr” will come in after i tell him he WILL be recorded in my home. But if he/she does im sure they will feel rather intimidated by all the weapons i have close to hand in each room. This is what PTSD has done to me, made me a paranoid, scared shell of a person!

    I was awarded 0 points last year, but i had to attend the assesment center….recorded nothing, took no notes.

    The letter says they will be here between 12 noon and 3pm…another test no doubt.

    Should i ring them and inform them that everything will be being recorded as its in my own home and my right? Or should i just let them come and not tell them/tell them??

    Comment by Rob — September 30, 2012 @ 2:37 pm

  548. Hello Rob.

    I think you’ll find that if you tell them upfront you are going to record the assessment then the HCP will demand that you refrain from recording the assessment, if you refuse then he/she will leave, a letter will be sent to the DWP informing them that you don’t respond very well to verbal instruction, and the DWP will stop your benefits on the spot.

    So what’s the alternative then ? I suppose you could record the assessment without mentioning it, and when the bad news arrives you can say ‘Hey what’s all this nonsense, I’ve recorded that assessment and the HCP is lying etc’.
    That’s a last ditch attempt on your GL24 form to make the decision maker see some kind of sense when he/she is reconsidering your fit to work decision.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 30, 2012 @ 3:03 pm

  549. Hey DWP,

    Thanks for the quick response :)

    I know they have their own recording equipment, but they only sent me the letter last week, and im not very good at following things up, so ive really left it till the last minute to request they bring recording equipment. Do you think it would be worthwhile ringing them tomorrow (monday) and request that i want it recorded on tuesday?

    I really dont want them to lie, and put me through the process of going through a tribunal again. I had a tribunal before, but whilst on that, the DWP made me attend another medical. The first tribunal found in my favor, but the new medical examination gave me 0 points again. The second tribunal went ahead and the Judge didnt over rule the DWP decision…awarded me 0 points.

    I spent months arguing the fact that the first Judge had said i was NOT fit for work, and how could the first one be over ruled by the second one. I also pointed out in the second tribunal that the first judge had ruled in my favor. The form from the DWP clearly showed a decision maker TELLING the judge how to rule. They wrote something along the lines of “Mr **** should not be entitled to ESA and i would encourage the Judge to support my decision”

    Eventually i was told the second examination and tribunal should never have happened, as i was already appealing. I was awarded the full rate of benefit from the date of the first examination, and recieved 2 large sums of back payments in the subsequent days.

    Im very wary of how this medical will go. I have PTSD, anxiety, stress, kidney stones, hiatus hernia, constant nausea…but i keep my home tidy and clean. I have nice things, which i bought when i was working. I had a life before i was ill, but i doubt they will see it like that.

    They twisted my words, made things up and assumed so much in the last “examination”.

    I think its disgusting how they dictate that we cant take our own evidence, that in itself shows they are lying most of the time.

    Comment by Rob — September 30, 2012 @ 3:32 pm

  550. It’s more of the same Rob, at least as far as twisting your words. If you call them tomorrow asking for the assessment to be recorded they will almost certainly say you should have told us sooner.

    So it’s up to you, personally I would just record without telling them, they are going to do what they want anyway, so prepare for an appeal.

    You could even say to the HCP when he/she leaves that you would like a GL24 appeal form and the assessment report as quickly as possible in order to get on with the appeal…cheerio. That will at least demonstrate to the idiot that you are under no illusions about them.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 30, 2012 @ 4:06 pm

  551. I attended my Atos interrogation at Five ways in Birmingham on Friday and im expecting not to have enough points, so I”ll be losing my benefits and no doubt end up being homeless for Christmas. I was truly shocked at this interrogation place in Birmingham, the building itself seems deigned like some stasi prison camp. The real shock tho was inside, the waiting room was packed to the rafters with other sick people, there wasn’t enough seats for all the people so they where sitting and having in wait in the corridor. People where crying and clearly in distress, when one man had the courage to complain that he”d been kept waiting he was told to go away and stop upsetting the other people or security would be called and he would be ejected!!. One lady collapsed smashing her head off the floor, the Atos staff didn’t even blink, it was left up to the other people waiting for their interrogations to care for the lady, lucky there where a couple of police officers in the building dealing with another disturbance that came to the rescue. This was a shocking day for me and one I will never forget, I will no longer sit idly by and see this injustice being dished out to people, I’ve already joined several protest organisations and will fight the bastards all the way. My first protest will be at the Torry party conference from the 7th to the 10th of October, Im hoping I might get to meet Ian Ducan Smith, tho Im sure there will be a long long long line of folks wanting to meet him!!. I cant believe this is Britain in 2012, what sort of horrible place is this?! :-(

    Comment by c winnett — September 30, 2012 @ 7:50 pm

  552. Hello C.

    You’ve found out by experience what a brutal system this really is, it’s as if we have all been transported back in time to the hell that was Hitlers Germany.
    I don’t have any answers my friend, I’m just as stumped for answers as you are, all I can do is sign petitions, e-mail my MP and various newspapers and just help people in this Blog and our sister site dwpexamination.org

    Everyone (That’s the powers that be) seems to be in denial, the cost of removing ATOS healthcare from their contract with the DWP seems to be something people just can’t face, so they have decided at least for the moment to just keep plugging away hoping we will all give up.
    But that’s hopeless, we don’t have that luxury, we cannot give up, but they can, because they have the choice, the sooner they start to see reality the better it will be for the Country.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 30, 2012 @ 8:02 pm

  553. I have been on esa since may 2010, i had a medical and they said FIT FOR WORK. i appealed this and won. my money was backdated and again 2 mths later was stopped. they said i had a partner which i dont. it has taken a year and have just won my appeal. now i find i am asked to go to another bloody medical. are they out to get me or what. i have also appealed against a decision for dla which again i won. It seems as if i am constantly appealing winning and then they find a different reason to stop my money. I have severe depression, panic attacks and am afraid find it very hard to be sociable. this stresses me out beyond belief. i have to attend a medical again on friday and i just know they will deem me fit for work. i wish i was then i wouldnt have to deal with all of this rubbish i am fed up of having to convince people that only see me for 30mins and then decide they know how my life is.. i am worried sick already as i dont know what they expect of me. i suppose if i sat there ranting and raving, arrived looking like i had been dragged through a hedge backwards, i would still be deemed fit for work, when in reality i know i will just sit there because i am scared stiff and just want to get back home

    Comment by brenda — October 1, 2012 @ 11:52 am

  554. Hello Brenda.

    They did the same to me as well, and the reason is simple, they are making money, they get a bonus for every person they find fit for work.
    The Scottish daily record have an article today, have a look http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/axemen-atos-face-40m-payday-1352958

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 1, 2012 @ 1:55 pm

  555. i am dreading the day when my medical comes round, i know like most people i will score zero, go to appeal (hopefully win) and then wait for it all to start over again. what really annoys me is that if the police or other such authorities continually harrassed you without cause as atos and the gvt do then you would be able to go to a solicitor and have them throw a harrassment suit against them. surely what is going on is harrassment, if the medical evidence clearly shows a person is not going to miraculously be cured then a time limit must be put in place, for instance say once every two to three years (no different than what the housing office do to ensure you still live in the place you are claiming for). to persue people more than once a year and within months of winning an appeal is nothing short of harrassment and therefore must be stopped since all it does is cause grieve and stress to those who really need care and support not be judged by those who only see money signs in their eyes. i wish i knew how to get this kind of message out to those who are in charge, writing to MP’s, papers does not seem to be doing anything (perhaps the only way is to submit a collective law suit against the people reasponsible, I would suggest a protest like that of the ‘petrol price’ group did but lets face it atos and the gvt would use it against all those who attend the medical)

    Comment by tmir — October 1, 2012 @ 2:48 pm

  556. hello tmir.

    Your right, it’s just sheer harassment and intimidation, as you can see from the link at the post above at least some people in the media are taking notice and doing something to lend a hand, it won’t be long before ATOS are finished.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 1, 2012 @ 3:11 pm

  557. Just had my home visit…by a NON registered doctor.

    There are 4 doctors with the doctors name who visited me on the GMC database. I am guessing he is the foreign name, as he was german or something.
    Beside the 2 foreign names are : Not registered with a licence to practice and the other Not Registered – Administrative Reason
    One other doctor with the same name is not registered, which leaves only one, called Adam who is registered. I doubt he is Adam, though i forgot to ask.

    The assessment lasted less than 20 minutes and i recorded the whole thing on my phone, without him knowing.

    I feel it went ok, but i saw him sitting outside mine for 20 minutes in his car. Probably falsifying documents or something no doubt.

    He didnt ask me to do anything physical as thats not the reason im claiming ESA. He did try and make me say things that were not true like “Do you bath/shower regularly?”

    My answer was “I try and stay clean and tidy but when im in the bath, i feel vulnerable…” he then said “so you cant be bothered?” I then explained that because of the circumstances behind my PTSD being naked, away from any weapons makes me feel powerless and vulnerable. So i bath when i can…normally in the middle of the night when its quiet and the threat level is lower (in my mind).

    I was VERY anxious throughout the assessment. I was shaking like a leaf, couldnt get my words out, sweating and generally fealt rough. Thanks ATOS! It was marginally better than having to attend an assessment center…but still very stressful knowing how corrupt they are.

    Im pretty sure because i can use a computer, a mobile phone and have nothing physically wrong i will get 0 points, like every other time ive had one of these things. He seemed to be very interested in the fact that i was computer literate. What does one do all day if you cannot leave your home? I dont watch TV…i have to fill my time with something or i would go crazy.

    I will follow this post up at a later date when i get the letter telling me ive been thrown off and have to appeal….its inevitable.

    Comment by Rob — October 2, 2012 @ 12:13 pm

  558. Hello Rob.

    At least you have the advantage of being under no illusions and can be prepared for them.
    As soon as you receive the bad news you can take action on the spot and get things moving with the least disruption to your life.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 2, 2012 @ 12:58 pm

  559. I have terrible depression and anxieties and ocd. What happens if I am deemed fit for work and I dont appeal? What kind of work will be available? Will they actually help you to find suitable work or not? And is it true that even if you are deemed unfit for work, they will come back for you repeatedly to have an interview every few months to check?

    Comment by johnathan — October 3, 2012 @ 12:06 am

  560. Hello jonathan.

    If you sign on rather than appealing, to the DWP this suggests you are fit for work, it’s not a case of what work is available it’s a case of what work you can do and signing on means you declare yourself fit for any work, and by your own violation you have declared yourself fit for any work, so you will be required to look for any work from 9 in the morning to around 4 in the afternoon every working day, and they may demand to see proof etc, if this suits you then be my guest.
    If they decide on some petty whim that your not trying hard enough then your benefits can stop immediately, if you live in Wales for instance and a job is advertised in Birmingham and you don’t apply for it, then (in theory) you can be sanctioned for three months, this can rise to a couple of years of sanctions, they are looking at introducing these stricter laws for repeat offenders right now, so if you are ill and just sign on because appealing is just a pain in the backside then think again.
    Of course the choice is yours, have a good think on it before you make the final decision, seek professional advice (Welfare rights) on your rights and your health condition first, don’t make your health condition worse just to help the DWP improve their figures, only sign on if you are really fit to work.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 3, 2012 @ 7:14 am

  561. Good morning. well it seems i have goofed up.. my medical for want of a better word is tomorrow and not friday good job i checked (but because i checked i guess im fit for work !!) I am going under no illusions that i will be turned down and again i will appeal. im fed up of explaining time after time that i have more bad days than i do good ones, more like bad weeks than good ones. i have already written out my appeal letter to attach to the denied medical notes no doubt i will recieve. i really wish they could walk an hour in my shoes. i feel as though i am being hounded but after reading some of these posts at least i know im not alone.. wish me luck.. although i dont think luck comes into it i think they have already made up there minds before you get there..

    Comment by brenda — October 3, 2012 @ 10:46 am

  562. Well Brenda…Tomorrow or the next day, I suppose it doesn’t matter, may as well go and get it over with.

    As soon as you come out the building you can send your appeal.

    Dear Sir/Madam.

    I wish to appeal against your future decision to find me fit for work, I believe I have demonstrated today both in my physical examination and my GPs report that I presented to the HCP today (Which she didn’t bother her arse to read) that my fitness for work is seriously limited.

    Therefore in order to compose an appeal and send it to your office could you please forward to me the fabricated functional assessment report ATOS have just forged half an hour ago, and a GL24 appeal form.

    Cheers.
    Brenda etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 3, 2012 @ 12:33 pm

  563. If you are mentally ill with depression, is it possible to be put in the support group along with the most seriously ill and unfit for work such as those terminally ill? Otherwise if you are put in the WRAG, how often do they call you in to an interview for checks? Will they leave you alone or will they keep calling you?

    Comment by johnathan — October 3, 2012 @ 1:05 pm

  564. They try to put you in the lowest category possible Jonathan, so it’s up to you how far you want to demonstrate to them how mentally ill you are, depression alone in their eyes is not even WRAG worthy, they look upon depression as the signing on for work category.

    But uncontrollable episodes of temper or a demonstration of this may or may not be eligible for the WRAG ESA special circumstances 29(2)(b).

    To be eligible for the support group special circumstances 35 (2)(b) for depression alone in my humble opinion is not going to be anywhere enough, to reach that category is somewhere you don’t want to go if you can help it.

    And no they are not going to leave anyone alone unless you/they are at deaths door, and even they are getting checked up on to make sure they haven’t all of a sudden become better.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 3, 2012 @ 2:17 pm

  565. I have had my medical assessment and failed with 0 points. I have been dealing with anxiety and depression for 11 years plus and have been in and out of work more times than you could count and most of the jobs have been temp jobs. I done road sweeping which in a way enjoyed as it was outside in the fresh air but very little work available. I have been on the work programme and that made me so ill I went on so many interviews and felt to keel over at all of them. I want to work but just dont feel well enough at the moment. I would like to be in the work programme on ESA I heard it is very slow paced you can go your own pace and they support you and thats all I have ever asked for. I never said I was not well enough to work at the moment I am saying right now im not good

    Comment by Garry — October 3, 2012 @ 2:19 pm

  566. Hi Garry.

    In order to get ESA then you will have to fight for it, there’s no other way round it, the alternative is to sign on.
    If you want to know what to do next, provided you want to try for ESA that is, just think up a username and log in to our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org
    and they will guide you through any options that are available.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 3, 2012 @ 2:31 pm

  567. hi, is there a time limit that you can be on ESA? if you are put in the WRAG for example.

    Comment by johnathan — October 3, 2012 @ 3:09 pm

  568. I think every so often you get re-assessed every year I think

    Comment by Garry — October 3, 2012 @ 3:23 pm

  569. Even in the support group, you’re reassessed at least once a year? In my opinion this amounts to victimisation. The whole thing is just a nightmare. I’ve suffered from GAD and social anxiety almost my entire life and I’ve never been able to work. Just thinking about these brutal medical assessments is making me feel sick and nauseous and I’m beginning to think my life won’t be worth living being relentlessly hounded by these heartless bastards.

    Comment by IAN STRANGE — October 3, 2012 @ 5:27 pm

  570. The welfare system has been too lenient up to now and the result is a massive increase of people on the dole, many of them saying they are depressed and anxious. The government have justifiably become more tough and are trying to identify the ones who can and should work. It doesn’t help the economy to have people not working and sponging off the state. How are these mentally ill people on benefits ever going to get into work if we keep being lenient on them? Their mentality has to change from :”I can’t work, I am depressed so I will go on benefits” to ”I CAN work and I WILL make every effort to find work”. There are a lack of jobs, I agree but that doesn’t excuse laziness or people who want to take the easy option. I wonder what your attitude would be if there was no welfare available to you? Would you still say ”I’m unfit for work” or would you make more effort to find a job?

    Comment by anonymous — October 3, 2012 @ 8:38 pm

  571. Hi Anonymous.

    With an attitude like that you better stay Anonymous.

    I wonder what your attitude would be if there was no welfare available to you? Would you still say ”I’m unfit for work” or would you make more effort to find a job?

    Mmmm let me see now, what would I do if there was no welfare ? I would probably make an effort to find out where you stay and break in to your house, how about that shit ?…ASSHOLE.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 3, 2012 @ 9:32 pm

  572. Anonymous maybe you’d like to tell us all what this “massive increase of people on the dole is”??, can you supply some figures please?. Ah no wait a minute why don’t you make them up, just like Atos makes things up!.

    Do you have any understand the meaning of “empathy”?, I doubt it.

    Comment by Karl winnett — October 3, 2012 @ 10:24 pm

  573. Anonymous, you obviously have zero understanding of how depression and anxiety affect people. In your complete ignorance you seem to think all that sufferers need to do is “pull themselves together” and “snap out of it.” If you knew anything at all about mental illness [which you quite clearly don't], you would realise this just isn’t possible. Even as I’m typing this I feel sick with anxiety [certainly NOT something I choose] knowing that there are many people with the same harsh and uncaring attitude as yourself. You don’t by any chance work for Atos do you?
    No one would argue that the welfare budget shouldn’t be reduced, but in their zeal to root out scroungers the government are making the lives of thousands of genuinely disabled people complete hell. I suppose as far as you [and they] are concerned that’s just tough.

    Comment by ian — October 4, 2012 @ 6:12 am

  574. Since reading all these horror stories about unfit people being assessed as fit to work, I’ve been feeling sick with worry. My anxiety levels have shot through the roof and I know there’ll be thousands of others in exactly the same position, Can someone please tell me how this can possibly be considered a positive thing?

    Comment by ian — October 4, 2012 @ 6:24 am

  575. Having read post 575 on the questions you may be asked page I am driven to respond to anonymous, I hope you don’t mind Joe.
    Anonymous I take it you are fit, well and working ? Well most of us here including myself were once just like you. We too worked hard, paid our taxes on time and without question, regardless of who was in power. We did so in the knowledge that should we become unemployed, sick or disabled we could then turn to the state, which we have supported, like you for help in our greatest time of need. We all made this agreement when we started work and have kept our end of the bargain. One of the reasons we paid up when asked without quibble was to ensure there was a welfare state to care for us when we were old and had passed our working days, our children and grand children.

    On the other hand people like you who believe all they read in the news papers, hear on the radio or see on TV and are led like lambs to the slaughter by a Government who wants to rob you, yes you and your entire family including future offspring of your rights to help from the state when the time comes. Oh but it will never happen to me or mine I hear you say and if it does it will be genuine, not like the rest of you spongers. Well let me tell you this, one day you will be too ill or old to work and there will be nothing for you, your children and grand children will suffer a far more devastating fate all because you didnt take the time to step back, assess the consequences of dismantling the welfare state and NHS and the impact it will have on you and yours.

    Let me tell you this, the Camerons, Cleggs and Millibands of this world will never need the welfare state, they already have it made and fools like you are not only paying for it, you are actually encouraging them. I wish you and yours well anonymous, because if your life turns out like mine has after contributing to society of over 30 years then God help you.

    Nelson

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 4, 2012 @ 8:56 am

  576. Well i hve just returned form my “assesment” which was conducted by a physiotherapist. NOT by a Dr who could asses my mental help YES MR wont give his name. A physiotherapist….. I was asked questions that even a mensa candidate could not answer. i.e ” when do you think you will have a better state of mental health. How about when idiots like the post in 571 who do not know the reasons why i feel the way i do ( i dont either) stop judgeing me when they do not know my circumstances. Would i like to work YES have i worked all my life including the job of a carer, banking, and medical work YES I HAVE. Have i paid in all my life and worked from the age of 16yrs old YES I HAVE..Dont you dare to even try to call me a sponger. walk a day in my shoes MR PEFECT then tell me how you feel. no doubt you have never had the misfortune to have mental health issues or even know someone that has to deal with this. But i bet if you ever need to have to claim benefits you would be first in the queue. Well sweetheart go forearmed because you will need too. I am guessing i have failed this assesment as well so another stress added to my days waiting for the letter to arrive. Just for your information i won my last appeal when i was assessed by a Mental health doctor i suppose he was wrong in his diagnosis but then you would be a better judge of my state of health wouldnt you??? i hope you NEVER have issues where you need financial help. Its very degrading and stressful.

    Comment by brenda — October 4, 2012 @ 10:09 am

  577. like most on here, i had to give up a reasonably paid job to live on what the gvt call a liveable income, for those who think anyone would voluntarily give up a paid job to live on benefits need their own head examined. As if having to deal with such devasting news about contracting an illness and coping with a new lifestyle wasn’t enough,I had to face open hostility from my own family who did not understand my illness, sponger and scrounger and more were directed at me, i sympathise with all who have such terminology directed at them, it is said out of sheer ignorance, maybe those ignoramases and so called know it alls should consider the saying, what goes around come around, for one day you may indeed need help, when that day comes i will show the same understanding they have been given to me, zilch.

    Comment by tmir — October 4, 2012 @ 12:44 pm

  578. here here couldnt agree with you more and good luck for the future regards adrian

    Comment by adrian — October 4, 2012 @ 12:54 pm

  579. There has to be a commitment from claimants to make an effort to find work. We have already seen what leniency does. It has increased the benefits bill beyond what is sustainable from the taxes you’ve coughed up. In a time when the economy is down, the system has to toughen up because people tend to choose the easy way if they have a choice. Why is that hard to understand? Nobody has said the ones who need support the most will be made to work. But there is no excuse for the mentality that there are few jobs, and you are mentally ill, therefore it’s fine to make little or no effort in finding work. If they are well enough to lodge appeals for their benefits, why cant they make a similar effort to find a job? Why is it inconceivable that the answer is laziness? Or a preference for the easy way? It’s human nature to become increasingly lazy when you have not had a job for a long time. It is tough to decide that you will work rather than do nothing and get benefits.

    You said: ‘one day you will be too ill or old to work and there will be nothing for you, your children’. Not true. If you work hard enough, maybe you wont need the system? Agree? I did not support dismantling the welfare system however I do support separating the genuine claims from the spongers and getting the latter into work. Again, I ask what would you do if you were depressed and anxious yet no benefits was available to you? Would you make more effort to get a job so that you could survive?
    Isn’t it incumbent on you to support yourself financially to the best of your ability? And how many people who claim they are unfit for work because of anxieties, believe and do that? I daresay few.

    Comment by Anonymous — October 4, 2012 @ 8:20 pm

  580. I have been signing on and off for 10 years been on every course, the only decent job I ever had I was treated like rubbish but sometimes we have to take responsobility for ourselves. Anyway I’ve been on the work programme for a few months and it made me so ill as a diagnosed patient with anxiety/depression. Dizzy spells headaches constant fatigue dry mouth are a few of the symptons and I was forced on to so many interviews feeling to keel over at every one. Listen, I’m 28 I want to work I have plan but the JC never have supported me and as of recently there has been total injustice. Appealed due to 0 points at medical how the hell is picking up a lighter which the guy took from his pocket and dropped it on the floor representatve of being at work. I’m not having a moan I’m just saying if the doctor says I’m not well that should be final I want to be in work shortly but with all the forcing and tribunal possibilities its hard. Had dozens of interivews in 3-4 years

    Comment by christiangaz — October 4, 2012 @ 8:47 pm

  581. Hello christiangaz.

    If you’ve responded to this Anonymous character then I can advise you are wasting your time, this person has no empathy for anyone, just a little keyboard warrior with a pea brain, no original thought about anything just spots the Daily mail rhetoric.

    I personally can sympathise with the situation you have found yourself in through no fault of your own, you can see it’s all a scam, you have the experience now.

    Can I just say, you have a dry mouth and feel tired etc, have you been checked out by your GP for type 2 diabetes ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 4, 2012 @ 9:21 pm

  582. Anonymous your comments show just how ignorant you really are about the situation. I really don’t no where to start with your rant but I”ll try and set you straight on a few points. Welfare fraud in the UK stands at £1.2 Billion a year, 1% of welfare expenditure, to put this into perspective corporate tax avoidance ” fraud” is valued at over £25 Billion!!. I don’t see the government going after the criminals who commit this type of crime, do you?, that fair is it?.

    If somebody is “sick” whether its a mental illness or a physical problem there should be no commitment to get a job, people are sick/ill, don’t you understand that?, they have been diagnosed so by doctors and not a pen pusher at the DWP or ATOS. You comments over “choosing the easy way” are quite frankly objectionable, being sick is not an easy option, its a fact, and a fact supported by the persons doctor. Lodging an appeal to a blatantly falsified ATOS report is in no way the equal of seeking and applying for hundreds and thousands of jobs. As for working hard and not needing the system you must be living in a very different Britain than the majority of people live in. Most people live from hand to mouth, the wages that they get at the end of the month rarely last a week after paying for the bills, wages are so low that there is nothing left. People that are mentally ill and forced into some type of “work” generally do not stay long, they then fall out of the system and many turn to drugs, alcohol, crime. When they do the cost to society is a dam sight more than a few quid a week to keep them on welfare and give them some sort of quality of life.

    You know Anonymous why don’t you go down to your local soup kitchen and see and speak to some of the people, then ask yourself would you employ them, try going along to an ATOS interrogation and tell me they are fair.

    Nobody lives alone as an island in this country, we all live together as one unit and the strong support the weak. This is how a civilized country should behave, if you want to see the consequences of the weak not being supported go to the USA, parts of it resemble the 3rd world. Do you want this country to become evermore like the USA, I guess from your posts you do.

    I could could go on all night but I’ve given you enough of my time, before I go tho try dwelling on this thought. If you had an disabled Daughter or Son would you be happy for them to be treated by the system as so many people are?, just “yes or “no” will do??.

    Comment by Karl — October 4, 2012 @ 9:54 pm

  583. ATOS may not be doing a perfect job but the point of it is to see what people can do rather than what they can’t. The trouble with depression and anxiety is that it’s an ‘unseen’ illness which manifests in unseen ways so that is all the more reason to rigorously find out how it affects their ability to work.
    Karl how do you know what the true figures are of those that are on benefits who could work? You cannot know because the assessment by DWP hasn’t ended yet, it’s ongoing. And we will never truly know unless measures are introduced to encourage such people into work.
    And bringing up corporate tax avoidance only diverts attention from the actual discussion. I’m not going to repeat my points, but it’s interesting how nobody has responded to them. For example do you accept that leniency does not provide an incentive to work and therefore does not help the economy?
    Do you accept that the benefits bill has grown to be unsustainable and therefore measures must be taken to reduce this and increase employment? Does welfare help or hinder peoples desire to work? Does it weaken or strengthen their responsibility to provide for themselves rather than be dependent on others? How many of those that are mentally ill who assert they are unable to work are actually correct?

    Comment by Anonymous — October 5, 2012 @ 1:27 am

  584. seriously are you here to just wind people up? Have you ever had a mental illness. no. !!!! thought not.. Yes i agree there are people out there who abuse the system. Unseen illness is it.. Really. honestly what planet are you on.Perhaps you would like to ask my family if it is unseen. Please explain to me how having an assesment by a physiotherapist for someone who has mental isssues is an ideal thing. Thats like sending a vet to diagnose a person who is complaning of chest pains. I will answer your question. Leniency in my opinion does not make me lazy in looking for work believe me i WANT to work. BUT at the moment i am unable to hold down a job due to the medication i have been pescribed.i guess your point would be for me to stop the meds and look for work I agree there should and is a procedure in force to whittle out those who are not genuine claiments of benefits. BUT the procedure is not done fairly by ATOS. I would and will willingly be assessed by any mental health doctor. Please explain this to me. A friend of mine has a mother who has lost both her legs due to being hit by a drunk driver. she was assessed and told she was fit for work. Why !!!
    1. her legs unfortunately will not grow back…. Yes she has prosthetics limbs but they are extremely painful to use her problem isnt her legs its point 2 that is causing her to claim benefits
    2. Her mental state has been affected badly due to her being a very active person before the *accident*
    3. the pain medicine she is on leaves her very tired and lathargic.

    welfare ( i can only speak for myself) does not weaken my resposibility to provide for myself. it is helping me to LIVE whilst i am on the road to recovery. do you honestly think i would rather accept the pitance i am having to fight for rather than work and bring home a decent wage.
    one last point.. Just because you can SEE a physical disabiity and not in your opinion a mental disabilty. does that make me any less of a genuine benefit claiment. You are targeting people that just because in your view their illness is an unseen one then they are fraudters and spongers. as for your last question
    How many of those that are mentally ill who assert they are unable to work are actually correct? like i said i would be willing to undergo any proper medical assesment by a qualified mental health employee. Please dont tar people who do not have a visable disability as being the cause of this countrys economy. perhaps all the goverment officials who are driving around in gas guzzeling vehicles and give themselves humungus rises every year should forgo those luxuries and try to survive on what i have too. INCREASE EMPLOYMENT !!!! if you have the answer to that question then you are on to making yourself a fortune as our so called goverment has been promising this will happen.. it hasnt happened yet… i wish you a very healthy life, something i do not have the pleasure at this time of having.

    Comment by Anonymous — October 5, 2012 @ 5:52 am

  585. Please don’t reply to this Anonymous character, this person is so far up Cameron’s ass it’s difficult to see where he ends and Cameron starts. I’m assuming it’s a he for arguments sake.

    He asks how can you/we know the true figures that are on benefits who could work ? and you cannot know because the assessment by the DWP hasn’t ended yet.
    Well what’s the point of figures if the DWP are just going to distort them anyway to suit their own ends. Everything about the DWP stinks of corruption, they hide surveys, they hide true figures to suit themselves, they hid the true ATOS profit figures from the Scottish member of parliament under the guise of financial responsibility and were only found out because the DWP was an incompetent fool and sent the lot in PDF format (With the true info blanked out) which the MP changed to word document, even the ESA/DLA fraud figures standing at 0’05 are a lie, because they don’t take in to consideration their own errors but rather just hide them in along with the true fraud figures.

    And as for ATOS who ‘May not be doing a perfect job’ what in the hell is that supposed to mean ? what’s this MAY NOT, there is no MAY NOT about it, they are ripping of the Country for millions and millions of pounds and they are no further forward than when they first started, the fact that they are not functioning at any kind of level at all is now totally admitted mainstream information, and this anonymous fool talks as if they MAY or MAY not be doing a perfect job.

    Look this person is a DWP troll, desperate, and desperate because he knows is ass is on the line, he knows that he will be joining the dole queue shortly and knows there is no work out there even for able bodied folk like him, yes he’s got his sad job with the DWP and lives in a nice house and drives a fancy car, but he realises that it’s going to end soon, it’s all going to be computerised, the party is over, he’s creamed the system long enough and now it is all coming to an end, he can see this and it terrifies him, he’s a sad person leading a sad disillusioned life, why don’t we make his next post (Which will be more disinformation no doubt) his last…THEN I WILL SPAM THE ASSHOLE.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 5, 2012 @ 9:28 am

  586. Anonymous presumably your dislike of “lazy” folks and “scroungers” extends to the royal family as well then, considering they are this country’s biggest bunch of scroungers.

    You know its actually your sort of right wing ideology that makes this country the sort of nasty vindictive place to live, your ideology is part of the problem, not the answer.

    Comment by Karl winnett — October 5, 2012 @ 1:08 pm

  587. Hi I would just like to say thank you for your website and the many comments that have helped me to fill out that hateful atos form. I have just received word from the dwp that they have put me onto the support group without a face to face interrogation that I was dreading having to attend. Many thanks and I will continue to be a part of this site as next year I understand that I have to claim for the pip instead of the dla that I am on now. Why they cannot just switch people over without the need for having to fill out more forms is beyond me they are just wasting more money than is actually claimed. And I would just like to say this to that dreadful anonymous person I have worked all my working life I was a serving member of the armed forces I paid my taxes and insurance just like everyone else and it is unfortunate that we had the nerve to fall ill and have to rely on the state not for a hand out but for what we all pay into so that we can have the help when we need it otherwise why the hell was it all set up have we all been conned into thinking this is what our money was supposed to be used for or has it just gone into the pockets of the wealthy. Heaven help you if you ever fall seriously ill and need to rely on the pittance we have to rely on from the state. Having to fight for every bit of equipment or a bit extra money so you can heat your house to keep your joints warm etc. It makes me sick to think that there are still people out there that are still believing everything cameron and co say. This government is not out to help anyone but themselves and their pals.
    I could say a lot more but what’s the point people like you will never understand until you are in our position.

    Comment by catwoman — October 5, 2012 @ 3:37 pm

  588. I would like to add one point to what I said in answer to one of the anonymous questions Hitler gassed loads of sick and disabled and elderly people the only way you will get the sick and disabled and elderly bill down is by killing all the sick and disabled and elderly off in the country There will always be sick and disabled and elderly people you cannot change that fact it is a fact of life. Its the way you treat them thats the point not how to save the most money money is not everything it helps but it is not a be all end of life and the sooner people like you learn that the sooner your attitude will change towards the sick and disabled and elderly and the less well off in society otherwise what the hell is the point in living in an uncaring society. LET ME ASK YOU WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE A SOCIETY WHERE ALL THE SICK AND DISABLED AND ELDERLY AND THE POOR ARE JUST ALL KILLED OFF. MAKING ROOM JUST FOR THE HEALTHY AND WEALTHY ? What kind of place would this country be like?

    Comment by catwoman — October 5, 2012 @ 3:55 pm

  589. Hi catwoman.

    It’s good to see we helped in some way, and good to see you got the support group, it’s not good to see that you are so ill you have to apply for the support group.
    As for this Anonymous character ? your right it’s unbelievable that people with their heads chocked to the brim with rubbish like that are allowed loose out near the public.
    So far he’s not been back, who knows ? maybe he’s had an attack of conscience, I doubt it though, he must have been seriously programmed and brainwashed somewhere.
    He’s getting one last post on this site (Which is more than he’d get anywhere else) in the interests of free speech and then he’s spammed, after that we will tear his ugly ideas apart and put them to flight.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 5, 2012 @ 3:59 pm

  590. I’m so glad you’ve posted this its really given me an enlightment to how much they lie. I recently failed a medical. I suffer with a prolasped disc in my back depression and other personal health issues. The notes I received back with what the examinor said I didn’t say none of it. Iv won my first appeal hearing before because I was awarded 15 points and they said I should of never failed my assessment and now I’m going through it again. I’m appealin again but although I’m waiting I just don’t know what too do anymore… I feel like just giving up totally they have no idea what we have too go through life with everyday living when your in pain 7 days a week and I’m 22 years of age and I feel like I’m 60 I want too be going too work going out clubbing doing things I love doing but I can’t because I’m always in so much pain :( hopefully once iv had more rehab physio I’ll be better too go back to work. Thank you for posting this it just shows its not only me going through this crap.

    Comment by christina — October 5, 2012 @ 4:18 pm

  591. Hello Christina.

    There’s plenty of people going through this nonsense I can assure you, once you get that Physio you will find some healing process kicking in, it takes some time though, one thing you should consider is the local swimming baths, it takes the weight of and allows you to exercise without the pain.
    As for the appeal ? well you will win it, so there’s no point in worrying about that, some money will be due as well.
    Let us know what happens in the future.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 5, 2012 @ 4:32 pm

  592. Yeah I go swimming as much as I can I also spasmed up in the pool once which was really embarrasing for me trying to get out I don’t leave the house much because I struggle too walk and mainly doped up on my medication… I’m just so angry about how much false stuff has been written in this assessment… Its a joke I’m a qaulified security gaurd I worked damn hard to get my license and also paid a a lot of money why the hell would I want too fraud the benefits? When I could be bringing home a wage and live independently I’m greatful that there supporting me whistle I’m not fit for work but I’m also annoyed at ATOS healthcare for what they put people through.

    Comment by christina — October 5, 2012 @ 4:52 pm

  593. could somone explain pip please what is it and why is it replacing DLA. Please dont tell me its another frigging form filling assesment idea.

    Comment by Anonymous — October 5, 2012 @ 4:57 pm

  594. Hi Anonymous.

    Yes PIP (Personal independence payment) is replacing DLA, it’s the same really but they are going to find ways of giving less money, they are also going to find ways to stop people getting it, hence the reason for the change in name and yes there will be more mind numbing forms to fill in, forms with Mumbo Jumbo followed by Jumbo Mumbo.

    Iain Duncan Smiths brainchild, you know ? his masterplan to save you/us from a life of benefits by not giving you/us any.

    Wouldn’t you just like to put him up against the nearest wall and shoot him ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 5, 2012 @ 5:59 pm

  595. Today I went in with a family member to one of these atos examinations
    As said you are allowed to take notes which I was doing as my family member is afflicted with memory loss and wanted a record of the meeting
    Well within.seconds of me bringing out my notepad to begin writing the alleged doctor spoke to me in a hostile tone ” what are you doing ? ”
    I explained I was taking notes like he was on his computer , again he said in the same tone what I wad doing ,again I said taking notes
    Next thing he is on the phone asking for the documentation on if note taking is allowed and I also thought i was to be ejected as well .
    I kept my calm and said as far as I know notes are allowed
    One of the secretaries came in with a sheet of paper concerning said notes and confirmed I am allowed to take notes
    He then tried to make me feel guilty by saying I didn’t ask his permission
    I answered where does it say I have to ? Do you have a standard operating procedure , no I told him and continued to take notes in a meeting I found condescending and downright invasive for my family member
    If these are the type of people they are hiring to do this job then I am very concerned for not just my family member but other more vulnerable people

    Comment by Chris — October 5, 2012 @ 6:20 pm

  596. Hello Chris.

    You have every reason to be concerned, wait until you see the complete fabrication that’s the ESA85 assessment report, it will not tally up with your notes, and that’s the reason why the alleged Doctor was upset. Because he already knows it isn’t going to match.

    But now you have stood your ground and refused to be intimidated by his false authoritarian manner he now finds himself with a problem, which is how to fabricate the report in such a way that tally’s up with your notes but at the same time he collects his bonus.

    Looks insoluble to me, it can’t be done in a way that suits him, so either he writes a fallacious report and gets his bonus, or tells the truth and doesn’t get his bonus and ends up being carpeted.

    Which one he decides, your family member and yourself are going to find out when you request and see that report, an indicator will be the ESA65 that the DWP decision maker will send first, the ESA65 is basically a condensed version of the report, they hope you will be happy with that and not demand to see the full ESA85, they don’t tell you that you have the right by law to see the full report, they just don’t mention it and hope you don’t ask for it.

    Let us know what happens Chris.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 5, 2012 @ 7:04 pm

  597. Nelson, for someone who supports fairness and compassion, you are quite hypocritical. Your response has intentionally been offensive. Why don’t you attack the things you don’t agree with instead of the person stating them? Why are you reluctant to have a discussion about this? I’ve stated my opinions and tried to provide reasoning for them. Your behaviour has only discredited you. I’m interested to know precisely how depression and anxiety prevents you from working. Does anyone want to explain that? Nevermind that there are a lack of jobs, what I am focussing on is the mentality some people have that has led to the something for nothing culture. Why is it so unreasonable to find out what people are able to do and use that information to seek suitable jobs for them?

    Comment by Anonymous — October 5, 2012 @ 8:07 pm

  598. And i guess your comments havent been offensive have they. I have answered many of your questions which you chose to ignore. Why dont you go to a suitable mental center and ask the patients there for there views.

    Comment by brenda — October 5, 2012 @ 9:26 pm

  599. Nielsen don’t bother to answer that idiot…about time he was banned..probably Ian Duncun Smith…

    Comment by Jenny Clarke — October 5, 2012 @ 10:30 pm

  600. Hows it something for nothing ? if a person has worked all their days and paid their tax and national insurance then how is that a something for nothing culture ?.

    You ask ” Why is it so unreasonable to find out what people are able to do and use that information to seek suitable jobs for them ?” and I will answer your question…First, it’s not unreasonable, and no one is complaining about that, everyone agrees with that, what people are complaining about is They (Government, ATOS/DWP) are not finding out what people can do, they are not interested in what you can do, they (ATOS) are fabricating functional assessment reports to deliberately sling everyone on to Job seekers allowance where there is no help whatsoever to get back to work, how is it you cannot get that in to your thick skull ? how is it everyone on this site knows that except you ? and now you know why everyone on this site is so angry with you, you just don’t get it, and it’s not as if there is no evidence to support the claim that ATOS/DWP are totally corrupt, on the contrary the evidence is totally overwhelming now, it’s way way past overwhelming, and the people of this site are reading your comments knowing what they know and are sick fed up to the back teeth with folk like you who are not doing their own thinking, but listening to that criminal Iain Duncan Smith.
    Google UNUM insurance to start your new education, read all about how corrupt they are, then get back here and I will help you on your next lesson on corporate corruption, we can move on to ATOS and their connection with UNUM insurance, and we’ll keep moving on until your thick skull is swollen with knowledge about whats happening out there.

    At the moment You understand nothing about the way the Government works and what plans they have for you because your too stupid to figure it out, even though as I said the evidence is totally overwhelming, they are going to rob you and your children blind, if you fall ill there will be no safety catch in the way of welfare, if an operation is too expensive they will let you die, if you can’t afford the highest rate for private health then their attitude is tough, but they will still take an insurance stamp from you as well as charge you the earth for that sub health care, did you not see the dispatches programme a few weeks ago ? followed by Panorama ? everything is about profit, profit before health, and you are too stupid to see it, but you will see it (Too late though) when your on the train to (British equivalent) Auschwitz.

    And hell mend you, I and the cognoscenti who visit this site and our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org won’t shed a tear for your type, I won’t even say I told you so, in fact I might just help them put you and your idiotic Daily mail reading friends on the train myself, just to speed you all on your way.

    You are right on the verge of a 70 IQ, on the verge of being a complete moron with a tiny brain that lets others do their thinking for them, if you are not prepared to educate yourself and find out the truth (If you need help the people on this site will give you all the help you need to drag you out of the twilight zone) then please leave this site and don’t come back, your type is not wanted here.

    JOE.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 6, 2012 @ 1:09 am

  601. Ah well the Anonymous one hasn’t replied, hopefully educated himself on ATOS and the DWP on his own initiative, motivated by a lust for the truth.
    Well the truth is out there Anonymous, and yes it’s shocking, it’s even more shocking when you’ve been programmed and brainwashed all your life in to thinking the powers that be are good guys, when the awful truth arrives, and one finds out what’s really happening, the shock to the system must be awful.

    Here’s a sampler, one of the many. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/9590852/Botched-tests-deny-the-disabled-their-benefits.html

    He probably knows nothing about Calums list, never heard of it he’ll tell you, and that would probably be true…true ? only because he’s ignorant, in that case he’ll not know that Calums list so terrifies this Government that they have persuaded Google to ban it form their search engine.

    Well, so much for democracy and freedom of speech in the Britain that Anonymous thinks so highly off..!!

    JOE.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 8, 2012 @ 9:48 am

  602. am having a complete meltdown here.. having won my appeal against the dwp ( i know this site isnt about anything but atos) but need to vent my anger hope thats ok….. i was wrongly accused of being in a relationship and had my benefits stopped since february i went in front of judge after nearly 10 mths who agreed with me and reversed the decision.& i should be put back on ESA . trying to get my benefits reinstated and my back pay pay has been an absolute nightmare…i have been shoved from pillow to post and been told so many lies from every person i have spoken too. yep your money will be sorted today, oops sorry went to a different processing dept, havent received the papers even though i have faxed 3 copies to them they say they havent got them..this is causing me so much stress i cant cope. on top of that i have had to go to yet another medical by the dreaded atos and am waiting for the outcome no doubt it will be rejected yet again and another appeal will have to start all over again. i feel like giving up..am up to my eye balls in debt because of all of this. this dwp system is a sham. have had to many ” we will get the team to call you back” promises and they dont call back.. honestly i give up :-((

    Comment by brenda — October 11, 2012 @ 11:45 am

  603. Hi Brenda.

    It can take around seven to eight weeks or even more to hear from the DWP in an official letter that you have won your appeal and entitled to backpay.
    When dealing with the DWP patience is the key, patience is the only thing that will get you through this.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 11, 2012 @ 1:17 pm

  604. thank you…..

    Comment by brenda — October 11, 2012 @ 2:37 pm

  605. I see on the bbc news this morning that Emploment minister Mark Hoban has conceded that the incapacity procedure needs to work better, he also claims that claimants should share the responsibilty….. Atos claims that in a survey 90% of people were happy with the procedure. hmmmmm would like to see that survey?????

    Comment by brenda — October 12, 2012 @ 4:21 am

  606. Needs to work better is an understatement, and as for these ATOS surveys ? yes it’s true they do exist, but they are only sent out to people who passed the assessment, they never send them to the likes of you or I.

    They know we would send it back with a message…RAM YOUR SURVEY UP YOUR ASS…LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 12, 2012 @ 6:41 am

  607. LOL… how about the survey that reads ” your “medicals” make people feel like shite..are unfair and also untruthful. still awaiting the denial letter that i just know is coming my way. i wasnt asked many questions i was asked do i bathe and brush my teeth !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by brenda — October 12, 2012 @ 7:03 am

  608. Hi Guys,

    I posted here back on July 11th to say I’d lost my benefit after an Atos medical. I thought I’d give you an update as it might be useful to others.

    I put in an appeal and DWP rejected the first stage, so it’s now headed for tribunal. I was feeling so low and thought I didn’t stand a cat in hell’s chance of winning. The shock of all of this resulted in me losing the ability to speak, but despite this and a phobia of leaving my home, I went to talk to someone at the Cirtizen’s Advice Bureau, accompanied by my mother to help translate. As much as I hated having to rely on her to help me (she’s in her 80s) I couldn’t get there alone, or communicate well enough. From the outset of the CAB meeting, it was obvious I had found someone to champion my cause. The knowledge of the people at CAB about Atos, DWP and ESA is incredible. The person I spoke to had experience as a mental health professional before going to work for CAB and said she recognised me as a genuine case form the start of the meeting. She has personally taken over my case, helping me to complete all documentation and is making sure I get all of the medical documents from my doctor pertaining to my appeal to ensure they are taken into account. On my behalf, she applied for Disability Living Allowance (something I never considered applying for before now) and helped me fill in those forms, listing many problems she observed about me that I would never even have considered. On the day of my appeal I will have a free legal representative to speak on my behalf and she is confident that I will win the appeal.

    Since my second visit to CAB I feel more relaxed in myself and have regained much of my speech, although the slightest stressful situation will send me spiraling down again and I lose the ability to communicate until I can get calm again. The thing is, I don’t feel hopeless or alone anymore and I feel like I now have a fighting chance.

    I simply cannot stress enough how important it is to go to a place like Citizen’s Advice Bureau, especially if you have mental health problems and find it hard to cope with the appeal process. Call them before turning up and they will ask you a few questions and then book you an appointment. Have all your appeal documents with you and any correspondence pertaining to your Atos medical, doctor’s letters or specialists reports. Remember to have details of any medication you take or counselling/therapy you attend.

    I hope this is of help and encouragement to a few of you out there – especially those of you who may have lost hope. DON’T give in. Get the help you need. Every one of us with a genuine claim needs to win our appeals – not just because we’re entitled to those benefits, but so we can show this uncaring government that they need to treat the sick people of this country with a lot more respect and compassion.

    Comment by Dave — October 12, 2012 @ 7:23 am

  609. Better to just get to the point and say….F**K OOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 12, 2012 @ 8:54 am

  610. Cheers for that Dave, just one thing though, in some areas in Britain it’s almost impossible to get CAB help.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 12, 2012 @ 9:06 am

  611. Awww, now that stinks. Aren’t their similar organisations in other areas though? No one should be left to struggle through the madness of this alone.

    Comment by Dave — October 12, 2012 @ 9:10 am

  612. have finally got my back pay..now just waiting for my atos medical result. (to tell me that i have failed and money will stop again) then start appeal all over again…

    Comment by brenda — October 17, 2012 @ 12:50 pm

  613. We live in hope Brenda to gain as much time as possible before the letter of doom arrives.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 17, 2012 @ 2:24 pm

  614. Hi,

    I suffer from severe depression. This time last year I was at my all time worse and went to a very very dark place. I spent time in a special place for adults at risk, have been under the crisis team, self harm still on a regular basis and took a large amount of my meds at one point as I see no future for myself. I have been on anti psycotic meds and antidepressant meds for a year and they have been changed 3 times to get it right and very recently my antidepressant was increased again due to a major episode a couple of weeks back. The reason I had the episode was because I got the dreaded questionaire from Atos. My dynamic physcoTherapist (whom I had to wait 9 months to see) and have seen approx 8 times so far had just started a 3 week holiday and I felt desperately alone and unsupported. I ended up seriously self harming at the thought of being made to go to work.

    I lost my job 5 days after I became ill as I was on a probationary period at a new job and to be honest that sent me down to the pits of hell where I stayed for a very long time. I had been a sucessful credit controller for 25 years, always worked, even doing 3 jobs at once in my younger days to make ends meet and have had 2 jobs at once at least 70% of my working life so far. I am most definetely not a sponger.

    I filled in the form with the help of my therapist and she did a sepearte letter to them too and even said in it (as I got a copy) ‘ i feel strongly that…………. is not in a position to consider returning to work and that pressure to do so could impact on her fragile mental health.
    I have to be honest reading the letter she wrote about me made me feel very odd but I was glad she did it.

    I struggle to be around people I dont know and aquaintances that dont know my situtaion. I cant handle questions about my life like, ‘where you working now?’ Do you have a boyfriend?’ I panic and then end up making a fool of myself in front of them and self harming when I’m alone, hence I dont go out often atall. If I do my nan or my sister are with me and if I cant avoid being on my own I dont wear my glasses as i feel more secure if I cant see people properly.

    With the letter my therapist sent to atos I felt a little more calmer again UNTIL TODAY. I’d just got back from seeing my therapist and my phone rang. A rather rude man from atos saying i had to make an appointment to see them. He offered me 2 but I said no as they have to be morning ones when hardily anyone will be in the waiting room and my nan has to be available to take me. We eventually made an appointment. I was shaking and crying on the phone and he said to me. Miss this appointment and we’ll report you to the dwp and you will lose your benefits. That did it, My arms are now very sore and I feel like I dont want to be here anymore again.

    I’m even crying as I write this. I had an assessment to get esa in jan 12 and the medical lady was wonderful with me but since then I have seen programs, read articles and now I just want to disappear. I’m so scared. I know without a doubt if they make me work or I lose my money I will not make it to the end of the year and I will become another to add to the statistics.

    Sorry for waffling, just so scared

    Comment by Me — October 17, 2012 @ 7:39 pm

  615. I know how you feel..I’m in the same sinking boat..please please hang on in there ..I’m trying..we can do this..we can beat them…we can’t let them do this…we have to hang it out and fight for all the ones who went before us….xxx

    Comment by Jenny Clarke — October 17, 2012 @ 8:06 pm

  616. Jenny,
    Thanks for your reply. I hate feeling so low, I am honestly very scared of what I’ll do if they make me work again. Its not that I dont ever want to go back. I just know that at the moment and for at least the forseeable future it absolutely terrifys me. If my old work colleagues from any of my jobs could see this they wouldnt believe I am the same person. I used to do unpaid over time and always gave 110% at work and loved being a workign person. Its just my state of mind now. I cant cope with it and its very very frightening. But I do want to agree with you and say I’ll hang on in there, I just hope to God I can xx

    Comment by Me — October 17, 2012 @ 8:23 pm

  617. re annon reply 571. You are a total muppet. In answer to your question ‘Would you still say ”I’m unfit for work” or would you make more effort to find a job?’ I would still be unfit for work, that wouldnt change BECAUSE I’M ILL, see my posting on 615. I feel sorry for people like you and I’m very thankful to say that in the last year of me being like this I have met ALOT more caring understanding and considerate people than I have people like you and I’m very grateful for them and find people like you are just truly insignificant.

    Comment by Me — October 17, 2012 @ 9:07 pm

  618. Hang in there you..people like 571 don’t even comprehend..unless something happens to them..I’m here for you….like people have been for me..x

    Comment by Jenny Clarke — October 17, 2012 @ 9:12 pm

  619. Hi I read through this entire thread last night and found it very helpful prior to my assessment today so to start off with thank you so much. My experience today has been varied from ok to very distressing.

    The person accompanying my had a change in work hours at the last minute but was able at least to take the train journey with me. I managed the rest with 4x my normal dose of chlonazepam and prometazine to cope. The Dr was very kind to start, noticed that I appeared anxious and stated that I could reschedule if needed. When I asked her name as suggested here she removed her name badge for me and had no problem with me taking notes although i was a bit to much out of it to do this. The appointment lasted 35 mins a whole 30 mins longer than my previous one. (I have never seen this report, my appeal was won by a letter stating that I hadn’t received my report as requested and couldn’t comment on it, they ‘magically’ found 20pts from my form and medical notes)

    However the only problems I found today was that I was cut off from fully answering questions such as ‘do you watch tv’ My full asnwer was “yes but only on line because I need to constantly rewind programs due to lack of concentration”. She apologised for having to do a manual arm exam as it is not relevant to my case being derpression/anxiety. I told her my hands were still damp from chewing on them with nerves in the waiting room and she stated not to worry she had noticed and already noted that in my notes and she has to wash her hands anyway. I trusted her until she smirked when she asked ‘how it was possible for me to have episodes of rage and inappropriate behaviour when I don’t socialise! I don’t socialise for this very reason and have had numerous stand up rows with incompetent staff in hospital, out patients and with my GPs receptionist and family i live with, I wasn’t given a chance to say these things. I was also suspicious when she had never heard of MIND and asked why they would bother or need to send someone to accompany to my regular appointments. (red flag) I’m also concerned about omission of certain question relating to hazzards/safety etc. She did however seem to type everything I wrote rather than tick boxes and referred to my completed form. She ended by telling me that if her report was accepted I should continue to receive ESA But then again I take anything they say with a pinch of salt and expect to have to make another appeal.

    I have read here that there are 2 ‘medical reports produced 1 by atos and 1 by the DWP. I asked both her and the receptionist regarding the first one and was told it did not exist and that I would have to wait for the final decision from the DWP. Could someone please let me know how I obtain the first report (sorry I’ve forgotten the name and

    I’m slightly traumatised by my journey home (my first lone train journey since my first medical assessment when I attempted to throw myself in front of a train. Today I ended up being kettled with rioting millwall fans for over half an hour. (which normally wouldn’t bother me when well, I’m a spurs fan, lived near white hart lane and have been locked in pubs more times than I can count) I was verbally abused then ignored by one police officer when I explained my health conditions and later very kindly helped by another to escape. I know this is a blog regarding ATOS but does anyone here think I should make a complaint against the officer. I was to much of a state to get a name or number.

    Comment by Anonandon — October 20, 2012 @ 3:29 pm

  620. Hello anonandon.

    The first report is the report ATOS send to the DWP, and you are entitled by law to not only request it but receive it when you demand, it’s called the ESA85 assessment report, when the DWP receive this report, most probably that day by computer the decision maker (Well so called decision maker) decides on the basis of the report whether you are entitled to sickness benefits or not.
    Once the DWP chancer has made up there mind (Sometimes on a whim) they send you what’s called an ESA65 report, this ESA65 report is nothing more than a condensed version of the ESA85 report the bozo saw and read on the computer.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 20, 2012 @ 8:37 pm

  621. Thank you! I think the woman who did the assessment genuinely had no idea what I was talking about, the receptionist however blatantly knew and was saying nothing. Who do I request the ESA85 from?

    Comment by Anonandon — October 20, 2012 @ 8:56 pm

  622. I am really scared now. I have a problem with my memory and get really confused. I have just read all the above comments but couldn’t repeat any of them back, although I know that they left me with a sense of dread. At my interview, will I be allowed to take notes? if I don’t I will have forgotten what was said two minutes ago, or, if really stressed, before they have finished speaking! so i need to take notes to keep my mind on track.

    Comment by Jen — October 20, 2012 @ 10:55 pm

  623. @jen

    I’m exactly the same concentration/retention of information wise.. I went through this forum yesterday and took notes of what I needed to ask (still forgot some) and I was allowed to take notes during my assessment today. Take someone with you if you can or if you have time ask for it to be recorded.

    Comment by Anonandon — October 21, 2012 @ 1:06 am

  624. The DWP. will supply you with the written version of the ESA85, ATOS forward it to them by computer.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 21, 2012 @ 4:34 am

  625. ive just returned from my nazi styled interrogation. yikes….it was horrible.

    Comment by bob — October 23, 2012 @ 3:23 pm

  626. please could someone explain what work related activity is.. i have received a letter telling me i am getting esa but with work activity support also i have yet to hear the results of my “medical” i had on 4th does that mean i have qualified or does it mean in a few weeks i will get a letter telling me “we are writing to tell you due to a change in circumstance your money has been stopped” thank you

    Comment by brenda — October 23, 2012 @ 6:43 pm

  627. Brenda…Sounds like you have been placed in the Work related activity group of Employment and support allowance.
    So that’s the WRAG of ESA, and means that you can do some work with some support, that’s the reason for Work focused interviews which they demand you attend when they so wish.
    If you refuse to attend then they will tell you your benefits will stop until you do decide to attend.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 23, 2012 @ 7:11 pm

  628. Hi, I have been told that I have to attend an ATOS exam in a week and I haven’t actually been told what it is for. I am on DLA due to some pretty severe mental health issues that have spanned 15 years at least, but I can no longer get Income Support because my partner is a student (it’s to do with his student loan apparently, he’s still my full time carer though). I’ve never had a form through the post so I’m a bit lost with those that have said they’ve had to fill out a form beforehand. I’m not sure what to expect. I seen online (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/disabled-scots-spared-atos-assessment-1370433) that people in Scotland won’t be assessed by ATOS now. I just don’t know what’s going on :(

    Last time I was asked to attend a general DWP assessment, I was asked if I could lift my hands above my head and that was it. In and out in a few minutes even after having a panic attack. No mention of my mental health etc and I was deemed fit for work. I am so scared of it happening again. If I lose my DLA I will have nothing. I am not fit for work and the money that my partner gets as a loan barely covers the rent and bills. I can’t be living off of him for the rest of my life.

    Comment by Kat — October 25, 2012 @ 8:23 pm

  629. repl y to kat you should be worried about loosing you money because your I’ll not because. You. Can’t pay your bills shows your not that unfit for work not like most off us.

    Comment by Anonymous — October 26, 2012 @ 1:47 pm

  630. @630 Sorry I really don’t get your logic there.

    Comment by Anonandon — October 26, 2012 @ 2:01 pm

  631. Neither do I (Searching, scanning, thinking) nope, I’m not seeing it.
    One should be worried about being ill, just concentrate on that and don’t worry about whether your rent, council tax and bills get paid ? Nope I’m not getting it, so I’ll stop wasting time trying to figure it out, if anyone can give me a pointer then do let me know.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 26, 2012 @ 3:46 pm

  632. Wow anon @630, what a way to be supportive. So I’m a fake because I’m worrying about losing my money and that I’m obviously not ill??? You don’t seem to have gotten my point. Am I not allowed to worry that having my DLA stopped will mean I have nothing? DLA has been a lifeline for me when it comes to getting extra support and being able to live a slightly more independent life. Have I to remain silent and not have any fears that ATOS are incredibly well known for messing with peoples lives? Have I to have no fears at the fact that mental health problems are incredibly difficult to see in a lot of people and I along with several others will most likely be deemed as fit for work even when going through the most horrifying of breakdowns???

    Wow, all I wanted was some advice, not some troll who decides from one post that they know the ins and outs of my medical history.

    Comment by Kat — October 26, 2012 @ 4:15 pm

  633. Maybe they’re not as unfit for work as they think, I hear Atos are always hiring and they can use a computer.

    Comment by Anonandon — October 27, 2012 @ 11:52 am

  634. and so can you apparently anonandon @634

    Jesus Christ, some folk need to lay off!

    Comment by Anonymous — October 28, 2012 @ 1:28 am

  635. Kat…firstly i would ignore ALL idiotic comments made by people who don,t know a thing about mental health issues, if they did then they wouldn’t make such nasty comments. I had my “medical” on the 4th still haven’t had an official reply but have had a letter telling me i qualify for esa wrs. when you have your medical it doesn’t matter what you say they will decide for you whether you are fit for work or not, i failed my first one. then appealed. i also so them that whilst i was waiting for my appeal i request that my benefits be reinstated until the outcome was made (they did this) when i went to my appeal i took evidence with me from my doctor, Councillor and also letters from people who knew me and my condition on a day to day basis and not from someone who had only just met me and decided what my state of mind was in the 20 mins of speaking to me. don’t worry Kat, (although i know you will because i was beside myself) good luck and i wish you well.x Also just a quick reply to the “use a computer person” just because you can use your fingers to type a few lines and communicate with people does not mean you could talk face to face with someone. unless you know someone or have a small amount of knowledge of mental health issues i politely suggest you KEEP QUITE|..

    Comment by brenda — October 30, 2012 @ 8:54 am

  636. Maybe if you tried a quick read, you’d see it was clearly a joke aimed at @630 and I have mental health issues myself as previously stated. I politely suggest you get over yourself. Self-righteousness isn’t a disability but it isn’t appealing either.

    Comment by Anonandon — October 31, 2012 @ 10:23 pm

  637. Anonandon, that was who my post was aimed at.(post 630) and NOT your post. sorry if i have offended you. & for the confusion i should have made it clear what number post i was refering to.

    Comment by brenda — November 1, 2012 @ 5:27 am

  638. Quiet on here lately!?

    Any recent experiences on getting Atos to record the medical assessment and give you a copy after?

    Is it still the case that refusing to attend an assessment if Atos can’t record it means sanctions/loss of benefit?

    Are Saturday assessments any different to a weekday or are they just trying to get through a backlog of people?

    Thanks!

    Comment by DeCam — November 10, 2012 @ 3:24 pm

  639. Hi DeCam.

    Yes it’s always the same, refuse to jump through their hoops and it’s ”I’m going to tell the DWP on you”
    You can log in to our sister site and ask them if anyone has actually had a copy of their recording.
    http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Saturday assessments are just as you say, an attempt to get through the backlog, and since thousands who have been denied their benefits when they were actually entitled to them have been re-applying then it’s making their job even harder.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 10, 2012 @ 5:34 pm

  640. Hello,
    I suffer with depression and anxiety, I can hardly leave the house. I had a assessment earlier this year for ESA that I was on for a few months and I failed, I went straight back onto JSA and I had to go to an all day group interview there, I suffered badly with my nerves and I was that nauseous and close to a panic attack I had to leave an hour after it started. I signed off and claimed for ESA again, now it’s been a month and I have had to call them every single week and they tell me they see no reason why I haven’t been accepted/assessed yet, they told me that I should get a crisis loan but I tried to get one and I was told that I was refused straight away due to failing that medical assessment months ago, so I called them again on Friday and was told that I would receive a call today about the claim. I was told that I now have to wait for the decision maker to decide whether I can get it. That may take a few days and then I would most likely have to have another medical assessment before I can even get any money.
    I don’t know what to do.
    If anyone could give me advice it would really help.
    Thanks.

    Comment by Abigail — November 12, 2012 @ 4:16 pm

  641. Abigail.

    You need professional help in the form of the Citizens advice bureau or your local welfare rights office, you need help fast, do not delay.
    Personally I don’t believe you need to have a medical assessment before you can get money, you can get the assessment rate up until the date and beyond the ATOS assessment, so that’s not true you will not be paid until your assessed. Remember the DWP are compulsive liars.

    The DWP will not rush to help you though because they take the view that you can’t be that desperate for money or else you would sign on again.

    And since you cannot do that then you need to get that help, the CAB for instance can write a letter on your behalf, fill out the relevant paperwork and so on, inaction leads to nothing you must take some form of action.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 12, 2012 @ 4:31 pm

  642. For reasons that I don’t want to go into publicly I have not been able to attend my ESA however I received a form today for Limited Work Capability .Could you please tell me whether this is a good or bad thing and what it actually means Thanx A

    Comment by wombat1968 — November 15, 2012 @ 11:33 pm

  643. Hi wombat.

    If they’re not forcing you to attend an assessment and haven’t stopped your money then that’s a good thing.

    I can’t comment on the form you received because of your personal reasons..!!
    And since I don’t know what the reasons are then all I can suggest is that failing to fill a form in and returning it to the DWP or ATOS is usually not a good idea..

    But as I implied, you might have your personal reasons for not filling it in..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 16, 2012 @ 12:29 am

  644. i myself am a simple job-seeker, but on many of the courses I’ve been thrust upon I’ve come into contact with many people who have been cheated by these systems. one poor mans story in perticuler got my ire raised. he suffered a sever stroke at the wheel of his car and crashed. he is near paralyzed on his left side but as he can sit for long periods was told he could work.And was thrust back into the job-seekers system. Now my lovely partner is up for an examination, she suffers from severe depression and anxiety induced panic attacks, amongst other things. And shes terrified by what may happen at this mockery of a medical. luckily i shall be going with her and thanks to the fore warning this page has given me ill be prepared for it. In my time as job-seeker I’ve put many arrogant and self righteous job centre “advisers” in their place when i or others i know have been mistreated by them and their system, time to see if i can do the same to this puppet “doctor”.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 19, 2012 @ 8:59 pm

  645. hi i just found this forum . i had a “medical” 2 years ago and scored 0 but then went to appeal and score 29. so now im on esa i also won an appeal for dla low rate . i havent had a letter to say i have to got foe another medical yet should i be expecting one i have bipolar disorder and personallity disorder , i cant go outside alone as i panic and have basically freak out end up in a heap on the floor crying . or i get so angry with myself and wen in under pressure i pull my hair out and slash myself up . my esa appeal was great the pannel was wonderfull they understood i wasnt lieing and told me the medical people no nothing basically . were as my dla appeal was horrible the doctor wouldnt listen to wat i was saying . he kept saying wen ur out alone . and i said i dont go out alone but he wouldnt listen . im scared that if i have to see a medical person they will score me a zero and my benafits will stop and i gotta threw all this again .

    Comment by muffin — November 20, 2012 @ 5:03 am

  646. Hello Anonymous.

    Strangely enough you’ll probably find that the ATOS HCP will appear to be very nice and understanding, you – If you were under false illusions – might even think that this person is different from all the rest, smiling away like a jackanapes.

    Then you see the ESA85 assesssment report, it’s best to sit down when you read it, because it will almost certainly be lies from start to finish and a complete fabrication, it will induce such anger that you will have a strong desire – overwhelming desire – to head over to the ATOS centre and kick him/her from the building all the way down the street, then kick him/her all the way back again, then ask if they’re fit for work, and if you don’t get the right answer, you will have a strong desire to start all over again until you do get the right answer, I’m not joking, wait until you see those lies..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 20, 2012 @ 7:55 am

  647. Hello Muffin.

    Everyone’s scared, but since you haven’t been called yet for another assessment, then I wouldn’t worry if I were you, in other words don’t worry about something outside your control or hasn’t – or might not – have happened yet.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 20, 2012 @ 8:00 am

  648. It has been a few months since i posted on here, describing my illnesses of vasculitis & Lymphodema, i have to thank you for the information and advice that you have supplied to not only myself but others that have been anxious waiting to hear about appeals and decisions.
    My personal update is that i have not been asked (so far) to appear to any medical, not even to a work programme, but i have been placed on the EAS (is that what all payments will be through?) plus been given an extra £25 per week, in a recent letter from the DWP

    Thankyou for the advice you provide on this site

    Comment by Anonymous — November 27, 2012 @ 9:18 am

  649. Hello Anonymous.

    Just check your on income related ESA as opposed to Contributory ESA, remember Contributory ESA Work related is time barred, it ends after 365 days and is retrospective.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 27, 2012 @ 10:17 am

  650. I had my second Atos assessment after the discredited first one. I saw the bastard that did the first one and thought uh oh he’s doing this one but no it was the nicest lady nurse in the world.

    It was hard going through my personal illnesses but I didn’t feel humiliated and bullied which I did the first one and I feel relieved about that.

    However I also believe the Atos assessor comes in two models, the snarling assassin and the smiling assassin, so stand by for me to get 0 points again! I had the former for the first and the latter for the second. I’ve requested the ESA85 to see what lies they tell, I’m under not much illusion.

    Will let you know how many points I get!

    Wonder if the proposal to not allow the assessment rate for appealers from next April has become law to force them into penury or JSA?

    Comment by DeCam — November 27, 2012 @ 4:59 pm

  651. Hello DeCam.

    Force them in to either, probably penury would suit them best..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 27, 2012 @ 8:07 pm

  652. just checked my form it states income related Employment Support Allowance

    again thanks and good luck to those who are still in waiting i hope that everything goes well

    Comment by Anonymous — November 28, 2012 @ 12:53 am

  653. Anonymous.

    That’s good news, you don’t want to be on Contributory ESA because of the time limitation.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 28, 2012 @ 9:00 am

  654. I got my ESA 85 following my assessment by smiling assassin disability analyst (sic) and although I haven’t yet got the dwp decision I fully expect to get 0 points as it recommends fit for work within three months.

    The bar is set so low with these assessments that I find it hard to imagine many people ever getting 15 points or more.

    Another appeal coming up I think!

    And don’t forget people that from April they are going to try and make law that if you appeal you no longer can apply for the assessment rate meaning you would need to claim JSA where to qualify you have to say you are fit for work which kind of compromises your argument that you are unfit to work!

    Story in the paper about a guy in a wheelchair being assessed in Neasden by Atos who was abandoned by the assessing doctor on the first floor when there was a real fire alarm.

    Comment by DeCam — December 6, 2012 @ 6:58 pm

  655. I’ve just called the Job Centre in Nottingham and asked if there were any jobs available for disabled people. The adviser asked the nature of my disability. I told her that I’d had two spinal operations and was waiting to hear about a third, so I can’t walk very far, stand for very long or sit for very long. Actually, I spend most of the day laying down. I then told her that I’ve had two brain operations due to growths which have left damage to both optic nerves, I cannot use a computer (Mrs S writing this) nor can I focus on the keypad. I have been on Anti- Depressants for ten years and I now take Gabapentin which are to stop seizures………guess what the JC+ adviser replied with?…….”So what exactly do yo want me to do”?

    My WCA is coming up soon and I’m getting prepared for the worst!

    Comment by Saxon — December 10, 2012 @ 1:54 pm

  656. Saxon…You expect her to get up of her arse and either get you a well paid job that you are capable of doing or give you your flippen benefits, and moreover get off your back..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 10, 2012 @ 4:21 pm

  657. Hi,

    Just thought I would pop back on to let you know how things went last month with my medical. My original posting was 615. I was terrified of going to my medical this time even tho last time they were great with me and the lady who interviewed me even gave me a hug. The reason I was terrifed this time was because of reading sites like this and seeing programs on tv. I would like it to be said NOT ALL MEDICAL OFFICIALS FOR ATOS ARE AWFUL. I saw a different lady last month who, again was very kind, caring and considerate of my problems and who, as I walked out the door, took my hand and said she saw no problems atall with me contiuning to receive my benefits at the level im on now. They arent all out to get you atall. The questions were identical to last time. I answered honestly like I did last time and when I got asked if I could use a telephone my response was the same as last time…. I’m depressed not stupid!!! and as last time the lady smiled and said ‘I know’. I got myself in a very bad way because of all the bad press for Atos as my previous posting shows. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE if you have a medical coming up dont dispair. Dont get as low as I did about it and nearly do something daft, Wait, go to your medical knowing you are ill and believing in it and only dispair afterwards if things dont go right and even then you can always appeal. Good luck to everyone and remember, ITS NOT ALWAYS A NIGHTMARE. Take care, Me x

    Comment by Me — December 12, 2012 @ 9:14 pm

  658. Hello Me.

    That’s good news, not often we hear that on here.
    Just curious…..Did the decision maker place you on the WRAG or Support group this time ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 12, 2012 @ 9:42 pm

  659. (658 me), ooooooohhh I do smell a rat here!!!, come on Atos employee your going to have to do better than that post. The very fact you have come here and wrote this proves the point about Atos.

    Comment by Karl winnett — December 13, 2012 @ 7:58 am

  660. On my last ATOS assessment the assessor cuddled me as well, inquired if I had enough captain cash to see me through the following weeks, even asked how I was fixed for smokes…!!
    I left the centre thinking what a wonderful Lady, the backbone of Britain and the salt of the earth.
    She still gave me zero points though……..

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 13, 2012 @ 8:57 am

  661. 659,660 and 661…… Not quite sure what 660 is getting at. I am a real person that lives in Lincoln. I have real problems and have to deal with that reality daily. I cant help it if I have come across good people. I am very pleased that I have. It may help that before I eventually gave in to all the shit in my life that had happened to me and tried to kill myself I had worked damn hard for 25 years and I’m only 40 now!!!! It is very obvious to all that see and talk to me that I hate what finally happened to me. I have never receieved benefits ever til now and I cant wait until I feel safe and secure enough to be around men again so I can go back to work. 660, I wish that post of mine was all made up and I was an atos employee, that way I may have not been raped, not been used and abused since I was 13 by family and then men. Maybe as an Atos employee I’m married with kiddies and loved and needed and happy….. I would so so much prefer that to the shit reality that is my life. Its comments like 660 and 661 that keep me a low,depressed self harming person. I dont lie, I am real and now very hurt that you have treated my problems as if they are nothing.
    re 659, I was on the support element and I still am.

    RE MY POSTING OF 658, I AM REAL AND IF YOU ARE WAITING ON A MEDICAL, REMEMBER WHAT I SAID OR YOU WILL MAYBE END UP FEELING LIKE I DID IN POST 615 FOR NOTHING.

    Me x

    Comment by Me — December 13, 2012 @ 7:29 pm

  662. Your in the support group ? well that’s good news…Cheers and good luck.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 13, 2012 @ 9:46 pm

  663. Im going for my appeal on friday.how long usually is it you find out the descision..thanks

    Comment by rachael — December 16, 2012 @ 12:08 pm

  664. Hello Rachel.

    After the hearing the panel normally tell you and your representative to wait outside while they come to a decision, and you will hear the good news or bad news withing ten to fifteen minutes.
    If it’s a more complex case they may want more time to consider and will let you know by letter in a week or two.
    But normally they come to a decision quite quickly.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 16, 2012 @ 12:15 pm

  665. Thanksfor the speedy reply.oh god im really scared now.do they stop your money rite away then…
    No one going with me.just me on my own.any good advice you can give.
    Im already feeling sick as a dog.just at the thought of going.
    Thanks

    Comment by rachael — December 16, 2012 @ 12:31 pm

  666. They have just let me know I am in the Contrbution Based Employment & Support Allowance group. I was told on the telephone that I would not need to attend another ATOS medical for 2 years but notice in the letter that that the benefit is only payable for 365 days unless I am in the Support Group? Is this good or bad, have not asked for the medical report yet so no idea of the score but took my own blood pressure moniter in and got the Assessor to read it out 214/124, no wonder I felt rough! He told me I should seek a doctor after attending, needless to say ended up in hospital that night as it continued to rise. Had it recorded as you suggested, is there anything else I should do now? Many thanks.
    Steve

    Comment by Steve Peak — December 29, 2012 @ 7:04 pm

  667. If you appeal to be put in the support group it’s not time limited to how long you are paid…as you are after one year it will stop unless you you can fulfill the income ESA which you would have to re apply for…..

    Comment by Jenny Clarke — December 29, 2012 @ 7:09 pm

  668. It seems I have been placed in the work-focused activity is that another name for the support group?

    Comment by Steve — December 29, 2012 @ 7:57 pm

  669. No…that’s the WRAG..group..where you will be asked to attend work related activity.if you refuse..you will be sanctioned and lose your benefit for a time period…the Support group is different and you won’t…

    Comment by Jenny Clarke — December 29, 2012 @ 9:10 pm

  670. Hi Steve.

    No, the Work related activity group and the support group are the two different components of Employment and support allowance.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 29, 2012 @ 11:23 pm

  671. Hi everyone, great site. I’ve got my assessment in 2 weeks. I am 52, on home oxygen, have double vision & cataracts, swallowing difficulties requiring medical liquid thickeners to stop me choking, speech problems, walking problems and muscle spasms and STILL they want to do an assessment!!! I am speechless!

    Comment by Wilma — December 30, 2012 @ 12:01 am

  672. Hi Wilma.

    ATOS obviously think your GP is lying eh ? just goes to show it’s just another assessment for a bonus.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 30, 2012 @ 12:24 am

  673. What I don’t understand is how they can override diagnoses by gps and hospital consultants based on a form and one face to face consultation. I can only assume that they use medics with supernatural powers. They are undermining the work of NHS doctors by challenging every diagnosis. Its about time that a test case was made in the civil courts to stop this political trickery.

    Comment by Wilma — December 30, 2012 @ 10:03 am

  674. Wilma, they’re NOT assessing your health they’re assessing your daily functionality and whether or not you can do menial tasks in the workplace. Even someone in a wheelchair with no legs but is computer savey could sit at a desk in a call-centre, or a deaf person with learning difficulties could stock shelves in a supermarket!
    These assessments are not medicals, have nothing to do with diagnosis and a lot to do with what you can do on a daily basis..

    Comment by Beth — December 30, 2012 @ 10:19 am

  675. I agree Beth. But if a doctor or consultant says a patient is unfit for work, they have based that decision on clinical assessment and knowledge of the patient’s abilities. Atos are overruling the clinicians’ opinions in this regard and it is an unsafe practice. Very soon I would expect TV adverts asking, “Were you deemed fit to fit by Atos in the last 3 years and had an accident or exacerbation of your condition as a result? If so, ring our claimline now”

    Comment by Wilma — December 30, 2012 @ 10:28 am

  676. hi i have just won my dla appeal ,but now i have just recieved a letter from esa saying this claim is going to appeal as well .i suffer from epilepsy and was wondering what percentage win this

    Comment by diane — January 19, 2013 @ 10:24 am

  677. Hell Diane.

    Sorry could you explain a little better ? what claim is going to appeal as well ?.
    Are the DWP disputing your appeal win for DLA?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 19, 2013 @ 1:10 pm

  678. An interesting article-MPs tell their own Atos horror stories http://mikesivier.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/mps-tell-their-own-atos-horror-stories/

    Comment by Eponoymous — January 20, 2013 @ 12:24 pm

  679. Hi, I was just wondering if anyone had any advice for me. I’m on ESA due to mental health (depression and anxiety) I’m due another medical next week but I’m really worried I’m going to fail. My circumstances are the same (if not worse) the only change is that I have not been admitted to hopsital since my last assessment. Could anyone help me please

    Comment by chelsea — January 29, 2013 @ 7:49 pm

  680. Hello Chelsea.

    There’s no point in worrying because this is something you have no control over, if the worst comes to the worst then we will help you to appeal by taking each part at a time, and keeping everything as simple as possible.
    We do the breaking, saves you the aching.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 29, 2013 @ 11:19 pm

  681. Can you please clarify-what changes are happening shortly to the appeal process?

    Comment by Anonymous — January 30, 2013 @ 7:53 am

  682. What in earth are you talking about ? clarify what changes to the appeal process ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 30, 2013 @ 9:53 am

  683. Sorry let me clarify that for you-what are peoples thoughts on this?

    http://www.dpac.uk.net/2012/09/changes-to-appealing-esa-and-dla-decisions-from-april-2013/

    Comment by Anonymous — January 30, 2013 @ 10:01 am

  684. Government talk about stopping appeals without hard evidence supporting appeal and no assessment rate benefit while your waiting for appeal to be heard.

    Comment by Beth — January 30, 2013 @ 10:01 am

  685. That’s what you meant ? I thought there was another horror I’ve not heard about yet.
    Well my thoughts on it are probably exactly the same as your thoughts on it, completely inhuman and a cynical attempt to force people to kill themselves.
    Since at the moment I’m not eligible to sign on then I think I will be having to wait for their reconsideration, I don’t have a choice.

    I can’t advise others, they can only do what they think is best for them when it happens, and take the choices available.

    I expect to be assessed again very shortly, probably within a month or two at the latest, which means by the time they have found me fit for work then I will fall in to the new rules in April.

    Who knows I might be lucky, I’m going to need all the luck I can get, maybe the golden hand of ATOS will touch my head and cure me in time to avoid the new rules.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 30, 2013 @ 11:50 am

  686. I’ve just had my exam, and after reading this page, I have to say, I was terrified. I have clinical depression and anxiety issues. I went to the exam feeling like I would just be laughed at and turned away, but in fairness to them, the atos lady was very kind and just listened to me without interrupting or making me feel silly. Before I went, I did feel like my issues were minor and unworthy of noting, as my mum has had several really complicated operations after a car accident, resulting in nearly 10 years of problems and heavy medication; making me feel like my problems were minor in comparison. But the atos lady made me feel like I did have real issues, and a legit reason for the ESA claim. I’m not sure what she’s actually written yet, so I don’t know if it was all just a front, but I felt the need to air my view, and to be fair, they are not ALL jobsworths and charletans. I fully understand that many people have had absolute arseholes dealing with them..maybe I was just lucky? Or I’ve been conned?…

    Comment by Danny Coldray — February 3, 2013 @ 1:04 pm

  687. Hello Danny.

    Once upon a time a girl called Rosie went for her ATOS assessment, she explained her health problems to the ATOS HCP who was so upset that she started to cry at Rosies story (See the link at the bottom, second comment) in fact she was so upset at poor Rosies health problems that she even sent Rosie home in a taxi.
    Imagine Rosies horror when she seen her ESA85 assessment report, it said that Rosie coped well with her assessment and she received zero points, which – let’s not beat about the bush here – means she is not entitled to ESA and should go get a job because she was basically a scrounger.

    Of course Danny you might be special, because according to you they are not all assholes, and you will be OK, that’s the message I’m getting. Well you have a shock coming your way my friend because it’s obvious to me your still not getting it, but you will one day, if not very shortly then some other time.

    Let’s see what your first ESA65 says Danny.

    By the way an ESA65 is the letter the DWP send you when they inform you if you are entitled to ESA or not, an ESA85 is different, an ESA85 is the assessment report the nice kind Lady at ATOS writes about you to the DWP decision maker.

    As I said, it will be very interesting to see what your ESA65 followed by your subsequent ESA85 says, so if you don’t mind please let us know.

    http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdwpexamination.wordpress.com%2Fthe-smiling-assassin%2F&ei=fWwOUdXkJqTC0QWe34DQBA&usg=AFQjCNHc5JVibVGmRfARFXwLBuqZ7BhSuQ&bvm=bv.41867550,d.d2k&cad=rja

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 3, 2013 @ 2:10 pm

  688. I don’t really understand what you’re saying?

    Comment by Danny Coldray — February 3, 2013 @ 3:00 pm

  689. Never mind, I’ve re read it and the links and I understand now. We’ll see what she’s said. I’ll let you know

    Comment by Danny Coldray — February 3, 2013 @ 3:19 pm

  690. It means you’ve probably been conned Danny, most people are lulled into a false sense of security by ATOS health care advisor’s. Once you’ve left the office the report usually states something very different to your recollection of events..

    Comment by Beth — February 3, 2013 @ 3:19 pm

  691. And I recorded the whole thing, so ill know exactly what was and wasn’t said

    Comment by Danny Coldray — February 3, 2013 @ 3:22 pm

  692. Hello Danny.

    When I went for my very first assessment the ATOS HCP was very nice to me as well, it didn’t occur to me that she would lie, and I got the shock of my life when I read the ESA85 assessment report.

    I was so shocked I stared at the report for ages, getting angrier and angrier as each minute went by.
    That was four years ago, but over the last few months ATOS are relenting and allowing at least the very worst through to ESA, but not the support group where they should be placed, but the WRAG where they are supposed to be able to work, in other words they are conceding that people on their death beds should arise and with their help find a job.

    So Danny, I don’t want you to feel what I felt all those years ago, that’s why I don’t bullshit people on here, It knocked any illusions I might have had about common decency, so to avoid serious disappointment I would rather just be straight with everyone, so prepare for the worst, but hope for that miracle.

    Good to see you got the assessment recorded, and good luck, let us know what they have said about you..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 3, 2013 @ 3:48 pm

  693. Thanks, how long will it be till I receive a copy of it?

    Comment by Danny Coldray — February 3, 2013 @ 3:52 pm

  694. Danny…With me it’s always a week after the assessment I was informed I should get ready to sign on, but others have waited months, just depends, but nobody knows what the depends is.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 3, 2013 @ 7:19 pm

  695. I’m currently having my 3rd assessment in 2 and a half years for some reason ATOS think I’m going to get better then after assessment put me into support group….. do people get better from A.S, heart failure and kidney disease? Perhaps the specialists aren’t giving me the right meds or I’m not praying enough.
    Oh but of course I do WORK albeit voluntary.

    Comment by Beth — February 3, 2013 @ 8:13 pm

  696. Beth…Iain Duncan Smith has issued a new directive to all ATOS HCPs, they must raise their golden hands and place them on our heads and cure us and free us up from the evil spirits that makes us want to be scroungers..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 3, 2013 @ 9:49 pm

  697. Yes the nice Atos hcp is the same as the nasty Atos hcp when it comes to the 0 Points scenario.

    Did you know that if you sign up to the JSA ‘agreement’ you are agreeing that you are willing and able to work 40 hours, and NOT LESS than 24 hours a week!

    I have been told that the reason that esa claimants who are successful at their Appeal Tribunals get reassessed ad infinitum by Atos is because the TRIBUNAL, your new mates if successful, recommend the DWP to order this in 3 months, 6 months or whenever. I don’t know the credibility of this statement as it came from dwp decision maker!?

    Good luck, apparently Richard III has just been assessed by Atos as fit for work after scoring 0 points in his assessment, his Typical Day was hanging around a car park for a few hundred years doing nothing, lazy bastard!

    Comment by DeCam — February 4, 2013 @ 11:22 pm

  698. Steve d here been on your site before I ad the dreaded atos medical in may last year and it took them 6mths to put me on esa support group now to day iv been called in again there trying hard .

    Comment by Anonymous — February 5, 2013 @ 5:02 pm

  699. Steve…Someone has already mentioned on this site that the tribunal service themselves recommend to the DWP decision maker how long it shall be before the claimant is re-assessed.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 5, 2013 @ 6:04 pm

  700. I must off missed it then how long should it be

    Comment by Anonymous — February 6, 2013 @ 2:56 pm

  701. Whatever the tribunal says it should be, in my case they recommend I’m not reassessed for two years, but sometimes the DWP decision maker instructs ATOS to send the white envelope anyway.

    Just in case we get a little better..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 6, 2013 @ 5:32 pm

  702. I was just put in support group last June by decision maker, ATOS sent me the forms 2 wks ago for reassessment which isn’t due until June this year, according to DWP and I quote ‘they like to send them out early in case they’re delayed in the post’.

    Comment by Anonymous — February 8, 2013 @ 2:01 pm

  703. Paul here first timer on your site, just gone on esa work related and disagree what forms do I need and how do I go about it thanks

    Comment by Anonymous — February 14, 2013 @ 12:25 pm

  704. Hello Paul.

    You want to appeal then you need a GL24 appeal form, that’s the important form to start you off, you also would like the ESA85 assessment report, this report is also important and you want this because you wish to know what you are appealing against, in other words what did the HCP say about you that denied you the support group.
    You can get all the help you need to ensure you do it right, here on our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 14, 2013 @ 1:41 pm

  705. thanks I will let you no what happens how long does the prosses go on for.

    Comment by Anonymous — February 14, 2013 @ 7:50 pm

  706. Cheers Paul..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 14, 2013 @ 10:28 pm

  707. ive just been for a medical after multiple organ failure heart attacks and being in a coma for 3 weeks all after losing my right leg from 3 inches from groin area massive blood loss 3 months later i got sent to arden house to be sat on the opposite side of the desk to a pure jobs worth lil shit he asked if i cud wheel my chair about to which i replied yes but not for too long as i get tired the lil shit replied bk why is there something wrong with your arms after telling the smug prick to try pushing himself about he replied! we do we go to a assault course for wheelchairs/ yeah rite country has gone to pots communism springs to mind ive never had a benefit in my life

    Comment by scott — February 19, 2013 @ 9:30 pm

  708. Hi my wife is registered blind and just been asked for her assessment, do they have to do a recording as she ccan’t take notes. The first form she had made no pervision for blind people. They can still use there arms and legs and have no mental health problems. She needs help with every day tasks, can’t go out alone and is very anxious when in strange surroundings, are we looking at 0points

    Comment by Lee — February 20, 2013 @ 9:46 pm

  709. Hello Lee.

    They will not offer a recording, but you can insist the assessment is recorded, ATOS will supply the recorder on a two CD machine, and after the assessment they will retain a CD and hand you a CD, they will ask you to sign for the CD.

    It is within your rights to request a recording, and you can do this when you fill in the ESA50 questionnaire, if you have already filled in the ESA50 and sent it off to ATOS then you can still phone them and request the assessment is recorded, then follow the call with a letter that day insisting the assessment is recorded.

    You may find that ATOS will send you a letter back saying they do not have any recording machines at the moment and an assessment will be arranged as soon as they get one.

    Don’t be alarmed at zero points because the intention is to force you to appeal no matter what your health problem is, it’s almost par for the course now, people with lung cancer and serious mental health issues have been forced to appeal, so as I said don’t let that exacerbate her health issues by worrying needlessly, it’s all a scam and a farce because they know she will not be fit for work, so just play along with their unfunny little game and appeal and win.

    You can get all the help you need to appeal and win here at our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 20, 2013 @ 11:43 pm

  710. I haven’t worked for almost 20 years now and will reach retirement age (65) in May next year, When i was originally asked by my employer if i wished to take early retirement due to my health problems i agreed. Within 6 months i was assessed fit for work, appealed the decision and won the appeal. Now i find that i have to go for a new assesment to no doubt find me ‘fit for work’ once again, although over the years my medical condition has got worse.
    I shall appeal again of course if the assessment goes against what my GP and consultant have been telling me for years, that i am disabled and unfit to work due to osteo arthritis of both knees, base of spine and right hip, not forgetting a bone growth the size of a golf ball in my right groin, all of which are completley pain free of course!!! After reading some of the comments on this forum concerning the length of time it is taking to have appeals heard i’m just wondering if in my case the DWP are hoping that by the time my appeal date comes through i’ll already be retired and have my state pension, That will mean of course that they won’t pay me any more incapacity benefit for the next 14 months and can then pay me a far lower rate of ESA to save a few pence!!!!.

    Comment by Arthur Y — February 21, 2013 @ 7:33 am

  711. Hello Arthur.

    If you appeal against a fit for work decision the appeal doesn’t start when the appeal is heard, the appeal is judged on the date the decision maker decided you were fit for work.

    So let’s suppose you are assessed by ATOS and two weeks later the DWP inform you that you are no longer entitled to sickness benefits and are now fit for work, and you launch an appeal, the appeal is heard 8 months later, and the panel agree with you that you were entitled to ESA.

    Then the date of the entitlement will start and is judged on the decision makers original date 8 months before, this means the DWP have to conceded and grant you ESA from that date and they must backdate any money they owe you in full all the way back 8 months.

    So then if you appeal and you ask for the assessment rate which is given up to the 8 months the appeal is heard then the DWP do not owe you the assessment rate because you have already been paid it, but they do owe you the working component of ESA which is around 30 pounds per week, so 30 pounds per week multiplied by 32 weeks is as you can see a fair amount of money to look forward too when you win your appeal.

    It is irrelevant whether you retire or sign on or start a new job or even stop accepting benefits later on because as I said the decision is made by the appeal panel based on the state of your health at the time of the decision makers original decision.

    Any money the DWP owe you right up until you retire will be backdated to you, that is the law, and the DWP have to abide by it, so don’t worry about that, just concentrate on a possible appeal and win, you can get plenty of help if you need it at our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 21, 2013 @ 11:03 am

  712. Thanks for that, it’s a bit different to the last time i appealed, i had to wait 18 months for my appeal to be heard with no IB benefit paid at all. As i said i won my appeal and received 18 months of benefit money back, it was very hard financially for those 18 months but worth it in the end. I just hope that i don’t have to go through that again, but if i do the maximum will only be 14 months this time around then i can get my state pension as well my backdated benefit!!
    Just a quick observation; When people go to a Drs and he/she finds them unfit for work and signs them off, wouldn’t be better to go to ATOS first and get their opinion??
    Who needs Drs, consultants, psychiatrists and other health professionals when ATOS has highly trained nurses and physotherapists who KNOW what the’re talking about. Whatever the condition we’ve got it covered!! (Sorry)

    Comment by Arthur Y — February 22, 2013 @ 2:00 pm

  713. Don’t know why you went 18 months without money Arthur, you could have applied for the assessment (same rate as JSA) rate while you were waiting for your appeal to be heard.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 22, 2013 @ 3:20 pm

  714. do you think the emloyed should be concerned about people around them?

    Comment by jayvi patel — February 24, 2013 @ 3:17 pm

  715. jayvi…not to sure what you mean..?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 24, 2013 @ 3:43 pm

  716. Steve I am beeing followed around by dwp for the last 2weeks are they allowed to do this cuz I was put on Esa support group last may, can I question them.

    Comment by Anonymous — February 24, 2013 @ 6:31 pm

  717. If I was on the support group I wouldn’t worry if the DWP were following me, I’d have more than them to worry me..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 24, 2013 @ 7:26 pm

  718. Hi guys. My name is Garry. I spoke on here a while ago, I went for the ESA route in life due to anxiety which became so bad it affected my ability to work. I had the assessment, failed with 0 points, appealed, and now I have a tribunal coming up next Saturday afternoon. I am doing some voluntary work atm but it isnt really to be declared, I volunteer as a host at my Church on Sunday. Sunday is Church, I wish I kept my big mouth shut, as now I am looking to volunteer for real in my local library for 10 hours a week or so. I am so sick of struggling to get up in the morning, I want to get up and do something with my life. Im 29, and I feel like I am stuck. I havnt had permanent work since 2005, all jobs inbetween have been temp work and very short time jobs. I dont know what to do. I have a good case for my tribunal. somebody has done all the paperwork for me it has alot of evidence from my doctor and goes into detail about each Atos question. I also have a friend to come with me as this person cannot represent me due to the tribunal being on Saturday. If I win, and get the the work group, will I be forced into work, as I want to work and will not have much of a choice but to look or be stuck at home with my parents arguing all the time, I want to move out and get on with my life. Any advice? Has anybody been in the same situation as me? And in the work group, etc what did you do after that. Cheers Garry

    Comment by Garry — February 27, 2013 @ 7:01 pm

  719. Hello Gary.

    We have people on our sister site who can answer that question Garry, could you think up a username and register after clicking on the link below, on the page that appears log in and ask them on the general discussion page.
    http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 27, 2013 @ 7:24 pm

  720. I have rheumatoid and have just filled the form in and sent a medical letter from my consultant but an on edge now as I think I may have answered some questions wrong I feel so stressed and worried tw if I will be called for a medical , with r a it varies day to day how you feel have

    Comment by Deborah Barnes — February 28, 2013 @ 10:38 pm

  721. Hello Deborah.

    A couple of mistakes can be overcome by explaining that you are under extreme stress and can hardly think straight, and therefore not in a fit state to fill in forms in a coherent manner.
    I would be more worried that they keep your consultants letter, so I do hope you sent them a copy, originals get lost deliberately by ATOS and the DWP.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 1, 2013 @ 8:07 am

  722. Hi, i am new to all this, 54yr old male who having worked since the age of 16 and never asked for anything in my life. Problem is 2 yrs ago i was involved in a serious car accident leaving me with a number of injuries back neck shoulder etc. Now i walk with a stick and have been unable to stay in work due to the severe back pain. I have an ATOS assessment this week and am convinced I will fail after reading this forum. As the assessment is to take place in my home am i allowed to allowed to record the conversation on my phone as proof of conversation. My wife works full time and can’t take time off to be with me. Also even rising from my chair without help causes me a great deal of pain am i supposed to just grin and bear it .

    Comment by dave — March 4, 2013 @ 9:49 am

  723. i meant….
    grin and bear it when he asks me to do certain tasks…….

    Comment by dave — March 4, 2013 @ 10:16 am

  724. Hi dave.

    If you record your assessment at home and the assessor knows about it then he/she will abandon the assessment and shop you up to the DWP, they will say you were not complying etc, the reason they do not want you to record is because it makes it more difficult for them to fabricate an assessment report..

    So just record it secretly, and if they lie (Which they will do) then you have proof to present to the tribunal in the future.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 4, 2013 @ 9:53 pm

  725. Although I’ve not had time to read every single post, this has been a very helpful eye-opener…especially as my test is tomorrow. THANKYOU! Just a quick note/question…on the original form it said that I “may have to go for a medical assessment”, (or words to exactly that effect) However, I posted the completed form into a letterbox on a Friday evening and the very next morning received that date for the medical test from ATOS, meaning obviously, that they couldn’t have possibly read the form. Does anyone know if there’s any point me pursuing this mis-information or would I be wasting my time? Thanks again.
    p.s. referring to recording the test. I can’t comment on recording it at home but whilst on the phone today to Atos, requesting my test being recorded, they said it was too short notice and that there are only 23 such recording devices in the whole country. I then offered to get them one off e-bay for less than a tenner, at which point I was told they cost over £1,000 each (must be very posh tape decks!) I asked if I could take my own recording device…the reply was “any recording device will be confiscated before the exam” and as at no point had I given my name/details, I was able to reply “thank-you for advising me to conceal my dicta-phone”!!!!

    Comment by joe — March 4, 2013 @ 10:43 pm

  726. thanks for the replies, yes i think i will record it on my mobile phone, as this is my house i will argue it is my right and drop it on their toes at tribunal if need be..thank you….

    Comment by dave — March 5, 2013 @ 4:03 am

  727. Just don’t get caught, they will inform the DWP that you didn’t comply with the fit for work assessment, in other words because you insist on your rights to have a recording they will just abandon the test and blame you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 5, 2013 @ 7:04 am

  728. Hello joe.

    Of course you can point out that it’s all a scam if you are getting a date to be assessed before you’ve even sent them the ESA50, but ATOS are the law, what they say goes, if they decide you are to be picked up at five o Clock in the morning to be taken to a concentration camp then you will be picked up at five o Clock in the morning, in other words they are unaccountable and do not have to answer to anyone, rather like Hitlers Gestapo, the law doesn’t apply to them, they break it regularly and get away with breaking it regularly.

    It’s true though that they have a shortage of recording devices and are swamped with requests for a recorded assessment, but if they weren’t such liars and charlatans there would be no need for a recording.

    They can try and confiscate your recording device, I don’t know what you are going to say about that, but one day they will try and confiscate the wrong persons recording device, and end up in the hospital ward.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 5, 2013 @ 7:13 am

  729. Hello there, thank you so much for what you are doing here. I have had my ESA stopped because I “failed to attend” the WCA – however the reason I failed to attend was because I didn’t receive the appointment letter. I have explained this to DWP and two advisors on the phone told me my benefit should not be stopped over this, but still it has been. I have put in a new claim and have been told I will have to attend a WCA before I can be paid anything. I have not yet received a new WCA appointment. I was told to apply for crisis loans in the meantime, and that they would be granted “in alignment with benefits” so that they would not count towards the yearly three strikes limit. However when I applied for the crisis loan I was told they DO count towards the three strikes. The money from my third and final crisis loan runs out tomorrow, after that I have nothing. Please can you advise on my rights and what I should be doing? Many thanks, Laura

    Comment by Laura — March 7, 2013 @ 5:20 pm

  730. Hello Laura.

    The DWP must be the most ruthless Government department ever, you have a right to appeal the DWPs stopping of your benefits, ask for a GL24 form and tell them that you didn’t receive the letter from ATOS and you will be appealing.

    On the same letter inform them you wish to be payed the assessment rate until your appeal is heard, it’s no use talking to them on the phone, you might as well talk to the next door neighbour about it, so don’t delay. Also try and make contact with your local welfare rights office or the CAB, they can help you if the DWP refuse to pay you anything.

    Unfortunately this is happening far to often lately, we believe ATOS are at bursting point and cannot cope, so are informing the DWP that you never attended instead to try and relive the pressure.

    You can also go to our sister site and get help from our members http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 7, 2013 @ 6:31 pm

  731. Hi all, after reading all these comments,i must admit the benefits system are a joke,ive been through the whole process,i was refused,after going to tribunal i won my appeal and was put into the work related activity programme,after 6 months i attended another medical and was placed into the support group for a further 6months,i was sent another form to fill out and was asked again to attennd a 3rd medical which i did on monday this week,the nurse made me feel as if i was telling lies,im dreading the outcome of this medical,i suffer mild asthma,osteoarthritus in my left knee which i am on 2 crutches and i am having physiotherapy anf im aeaiting a knee operation,i suffer ibs snd depression,its really making me more depressed,im on medication for all of my ailments,how are they allowed to do this to genuine people,i have a support worker who i see once a month,im also on subutex which i take daily,im really hoping and praying that im kept in support group,plz csn anyone give me advice on if i fail ymy 3rd medical,thank u.

    Comment by shell72 — March 8, 2013 @ 11:41 am

  732. Hello shell72.

    It’s a bit of a lottery whether you pass or fail, that is if you are seriously seriously ill, if you just have lung cancer with two months to live then they will more than likely find you fit for work.
    So you see it’s all a con to force you to appeal, there’s no way round it unfortunately other than to win that appeal, if you do have to appeal then you can get all the help you need to do so comfortably as possible on our sister site.
    http://www.dwpexamination.org
    Exercise your right to be informed.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 8, 2013 @ 2:19 pm

  733. Thank u for ur reply,ive already gone through 1appeal at the beginning of it all,how many times does it take before they understand that ur to ill to work,my knee is deteriorating,the xray has shown exactly how damaged my knee is,im at my wits end i cant get around without my crutches,plz can u answer,what happens to people who are on heroin substances,do they have to go through the system???

    Comment by shell72 — March 8, 2013 @ 2:42 pm

  734. I don’t think you are getting the message shell, they want us of sickness benefits at any cost, it’s totally irrelevant to them how ill you are, and they are prepared to lie through their back teeth in a functional assessment ESA85 report to get the figures down.

    If and when this happens the appeal is all we have.

    If a person is on heroin or other serious chemical substances they usually get a social worker or welfare rights officer to do everything for them, this means the WRO will help enormously by submitting to ATOS or the appeal panel if it comes to it, that they are a danger to themselves or to someone else in a workplace and will almost certainly quote special circumstances ESA Regulations 29(b) or 35(b). This sometimes is not enough for the DWP or ATOS but it is usually enough to persuade an appeal panel.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 8, 2013 @ 3:02 pm

  735. Hi. Had assessment yesturday. It was recorded on tape by atos. I think it went ok but like everyone said lets see.When can I ask for esa85

    Comment by Lee — March 13, 2013 @ 10:40 am

  736. Hello Lee.

    You had your assessment taped ? ATOS usually use a double CD recorder, and you should have received a copy, you did receive a copy I hope ?.
    Anyway, it’s best to wait for the decision on whether you are fit to work or unfit to work, when the DWP give you that in writing then that is the time to write to them and ask for your ESA85 assessment report.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 13, 2013 @ 12:43 pm

  737. We thought ours went well with the Doc from ATOS, he even wrote Unlikey to be able to work in the next 2 years, and unlikey to improve after that, DWP took that as a WRAG indication !

    Comment by Steve Williams — March 13, 2013 @ 8:53 pm

  738. Hi. Yes we did get a copy of the tape. (and it woks).
    Thank you for advice.

    Comment by Lee — March 13, 2013 @ 9:18 pm

  739. Hello Steve.

    If you believe you should be in the support group, then you can appeal especially if you are receiving contributory ESA (Which ends after 365 days) as opposed to income related ESA..
    An appeal for the support group It will not affect your present award of ESA.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2013 @ 7:33 am

  740. I wish I had this before I had my Tribunal on 13th Feb. Which I lost… Yes I am disabled put on the lowest DLA both parts. NOW a prisoner in my own flat…………….

    Comment by KJ — March 14, 2013 @ 7:59 pm

  741. Hello KJ.

    Wish you had what ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 15, 2013 @ 7:22 am

  742. Perhaps…..This site for information, and support.

    Comment by Beth — March 15, 2013 @ 10:33 am

  743. I wish I’d seen your site before my interrigation by atos! On 15th march 2013. I have bipola,the nurse. Was an absolute pig she douibted all that I said even the fact that I had rapd weight loss even though we had never met before!!! I had no fear though because I truly don’t care. If the ouitcome is bad I will end up back in long stay hospitel. ALL the atos are out to prove Not how unwell a person may be but how clever they are ,even though a lot of them have poor judgment. And are quit personal in the vailed way they attack you. I don’t care about these vicious vicious people. Sickness and death is for everyone. Crawl back into your hole atos

    Comment by Lyn — March 17, 2013 @ 1:27 pm

  744. Stay cool Lyn (Easier said than done where ATOS are concerned) and fight them with our help http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 17, 2013 @ 3:45 pm

  745. I was phoned by a second Decision Maker from DWP to ask if I had any further info before he reconsidered the first DM decision, er no it’s all in my esa50 that no notice was taken of. He backed up the original decision not to award esa and therefore my Appeal has been sent on to the Tribunal service with quoted comments added from me during the phone call so even here they are adding info and tripping you up!

    On the subject of Repeatability of tasks or actions, it appears that if you can repeat that action EVER again then its repeatable!! Crazy, so if you take a WEEK or a YEAR to recover then do whatever action again its ‘REPEATABLE’. You can’t win.
    I have only the Tribunal to award me esa now. If I opt for a Paper Hearing to avoid the stress of face to face is there any way I can improve my chances? I know attending is supposed to be the best way to succeed with CAB support but I don’t know if I could cope with being there.

    Thanks for any advice, comments!

    Comment by DeCam — March 20, 2013 @ 8:03 pm

  746. Hello DeCam.

    There’s no real way round it, unless you have an extremely strong case with written Doctors support then OK a paper hearing may suffice.
    Without strong support then a paper hearing will be fruitless, so best to just suffer it and go and answer their questions and give yourself the best chance.
    Not turning up makes it easier for them to deny you, make them face you man o manos.

    So can I suggest you put on your appeal form that you would like an oral hearing ? since it will take at least six months to as much as nine months for the appeal to be heard you have nothing to lose, you can always ask for a paper hearing a couple of weeks before the date.
    Stating your health has got even worse etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 20, 2013 @ 8:21 pm

  747. Ah so a paper hearing is processed much quicker than an oral hearing?

    Didn’t think of that, thanks for the advice DWPE, keep up the good fight! It’s been over a year now since my first ATOS humiliation charade! And I’m still appealing the same claim!

    Comment by DeCam — March 20, 2013 @ 9:00 pm

  748. DeCam…. a paper hearing is processed much quicker than an oral hearing ?.

    Where did I say that ?.

    I don’t think your reading my last reply correctly..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 20, 2013 @ 9:22 pm

  749. Ok thanks for the clarification!

    Comment by DeCam — March 20, 2013 @ 10:14 pm

  750. i had an assessment yesterday morning in cardiff. the assessor assured me that she would advise dwp that i was not fit to work. But i’m not so sure she will. Anyway if she does say she advises i’m unfit to work she also said that it would be down to a decision maker. is this true? that the ultimate decision is going to be down to someone that ive never even met!!!!! (sounds incredulous to me!!!!!)

    Comment by ricky — March 21, 2013 @ 3:46 am

  751. Hi Ricky.

    Well if the ATOS Bozo recommends to the DWP that you are not fit to work then the DWP decision maker should respect that advice, and the DWP usually do.

    But it’s rare for the ATOS Dr to make that recommendation because they don’t get their bonus for declaring one unfit for work, even people with fatal health problems like lung cancer have been recommended as fit for work.

    So in effect it’s not true that the DWP make the decision, it’s really ATOS who make the decision if your fit or not fit, if you get 15 points then you are not fit for work according to the law, but it’s not unknown for ATOS to award say 12 points but recommend you will be fit for work in three months, this is all the decision maker needs to rubber stamp you fit for work.

    So to ease the ATOS DRs conscience – and help them sleep a little better at night – they can say to you they will recommend to the DWP you are at the moment unfit for work but award only nine points on the scoring sheet, knowing that the decision maker must/should find you UNFIT FOR WORK.

    So then who makes the decisions ? ATOS MAKE THE DECISIONS, if the ATOS DR says you are unfit for work then that’s it you will/should be found unfit for work, the decision maker wants to feel important and sometimes defies the ATOS Doctor just because they can.

    It can be a bit like the gladiator on the ground and at the crowds mercy, the crowd (ATOS) scream for quarter with raised thumbs, and the evil emperor (DM) decides to give the thumbs down just because he can and because he wants to show them all who is boss.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 21, 2013 @ 6:42 am

  752. Yes that is true, ATOS make a recommendation and DWP usually go along with that however, occasionally they do use their own brain and go against ATOS.

    ATOS initially recommended I’d be fit for work in 3 mths and DWP went along with that, then 6 mths later and totally out of the blue I got a letter from the decision maker telling me I’d been moved to the Support Group.

    Comment by Beth — March 21, 2013 @ 6:43 am

  753. Hi, My wife was called for an assessment. When we got there we were turned away because they hadn’t got her papers – but no-one had let us know that the assessment had been cancelled. My wife, who suffers from anxiety amongst several other complaints including; oseoarthritis of the spine; poor mobility; gout; damaged pancreas; alcohol dependence; brittle bones; and eye problems, was extremely worried about attending the assessment. She has 17 different prescritions. Now we have to go through the trauma of getting her geared up to attend again.

    There are a couple of questions you may be able to advise us on. Is the assessment only in relation to Incapacity Benefit or does it affect Disability Living Allowance (or its replacement)?

    We have a holiday booked (a cruise from our local port on a ship with a medical department). Due to the delay in the assessment, should she perversly be found fit for work, we are at risk of having little or no opportunity to make an appeal within the required time limit. In these circumstances are we able to ask for an extension to the time allowed?

    Thanks,
    Godfrey

    Comment by Godfrey Smith — March 22, 2013 @ 11:34 am

  754. Hello Godfrey.

    Turned away because they didn’t have her papers ? I don’t think so, more likely they overbooked, they always deliberately overbook, and the reason why they overbook is obvious, they want as many customers in there every day as they can in case some don’t turn up.

    OK now you may have to appeal while you are away ? someone asked me a similar question around a year ago, and I suggested they take a GL24 appeal form on holiday with them, but stay in touch with a trusted friend or relative back home, when you get the brown envelope back home your trusted friend will read it and tell you (Phone) what it says, and if you need to appeal then you can write your appeal on the ship and put it in an envelope addressed to the DWP (Post at first port of call), but inside another envelope to your friend who will post it to the DWP on your behalf over here.

    Yes an assessment for ESA can affect your DLA because they refer to the ESA85 assessment report to deny you DLA, but they don’t refer to it if the ESA85 assessment report is in your favour, in that case they would demand you attend an assessment separately for DLA.

    (PS) A GL24 appeal form with an envelope can be collected at all good job centre plus offices, just walk in of the street anytime and ask for one, and don’t forget the envelope, if they ask why the person can’t come and collect it themselves (Unlikely) then just reply she is in bed ill.

    By the way, telling ATOS or the DWP that you are going cruising doesn’t come recommended, but that’s up to you but on you go if you want to create serious problems for yourself.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 22, 2013 @ 1:08 pm

  755. Thanks for your help.
    Godfrey

    Comment by Godfrey Smith — March 22, 2013 @ 8:02 pm

  756. Hello again. My wife has asked me to thank you on her behalf for your swift response. She also asked me to make the following comments about our planned holiday. There are two main reasons for going on a cruise: it provides the most easy way of getting to some sunshine (which the doctor encourages us to as it is helpful for my wife’s vitamin D deficiency); and it provides respite for me.
    We only have to take a 15 minute taxi ride to reach the ship and we have already arranged for assistance at the port. My wife will be taken in a wheelchair though the boarding procedures and to our cabin. There is porterage for our luggage which is delivered direct to our cabin. There are a doctor and nurse on board and a medical centre should they be needed. We take all our medications and our doctor prescribes additional medication in case my wife has a COPD attack while we are away. We travel on a small ship so that there is no long walk to the restaurant etc. and the ship has lifts so we don’t need to worry about stairs. Special care is taken by the chefs so that the food served to my wife does not contain anything to which she is allergic. Most of these provisions are not available on a land-based holiday, either here or abroad.
    I am disabled and in my 70s. Due to my wife’s conditions the burden of all household, shopping, etc. duties fall to me. I need some respite from time to time and I don’t want to be separated from my wife. So a cruise holiday is ideal for us. We don’t have to go ashore if we don’t want to and only do so if there are adequate facilities at a foreign port, e.g. taxis available in close proximity to the ship. I have a period of respite when I don’t have to do the housework, cooking, etc. and I can ‘recharge my batteries’.
    So, you see, we give great consideration to going away from home. The fact that we are able to find a way to do so safely is a prime consideration and we have expensive travel insurance to cover all our existing conditions. The fact that we go on holiday bears no relevance to my wife’s ability or otherwise to undertake work. We appreciate that you are exercising caution in your advice as the DWP cannot be relied upon to view the matter sensibly and may have some sort of prejudice about it. We have to save hard to be able to take a holiday and, without my wife’s benefits, we would be unable to do so. As she says, without them she would scarcely get out of the house and if I can’t get some respite from time to time one or other of us would end up in a care home (or worse).
    On a different matter, I noticed that one of your subscribers mentioned the Data Protection Act. The relevant legislation is the Access to Medical Reports Act 1988. This requires an individual to give consent to the medical practitioner to make a report (S.3 [1][b]). In the matter of DWP assessments for fitness for work it is compulsory rather than consented. Further, the individual must be notified that he/she has the right of access to the report before it is sent (to DWP) (S.3[2][a]) and the individual has the right to request amendments to it (S. 3[2][c]). The medical practitioner must either agree to and make the amendments or, if he declines, attach a statement giving details of the individual’s objections (S5[a and b].
    ATOS do not properly comply with the requirements of the Act. Instead, the report is only made available after it has been sent to DWP and DWP’s information to clients fails properly to inform them of their rights as required by law. Thus, the arrangements for assessment reports by ATOS appear to be unlawful.
    You may have some thought on this latter matter and my wife would welcome any input from other subscribers regarding going on holiday and its relevance to fitness for work.

    Comment by Godfrey Smith — March 24, 2013 @ 4:42 pm

  757. I do not see the need to explain other than the fact you may feel guilty about your sickness/disability benefits paying for a cruise and alcohol addiction.
    Your knowledge of the acts mentioned is quite impressive I do hope you remember to inform DWP you are going out of the country. Which, you are legally required to do.

    Comment by Beth — March 24, 2013 @ 5:05 pm

  758. Wish i could afford a holiday let alone a cruise…my husband works and long hours.i shud take up being an alkie.theyget treated far better than disabled ppl.

    Comment by rachael — March 24, 2013 @ 5:12 pm

  759. Beth…This is a Blog for people with health problems who are up against ATOS/DWP (undisputed corruption) corruption and want help on different opinions on the best way forward. They do not want or need advice from DWP lackeys like you (Yes I’m well aware you used to work for the DWP), Iain Duncan Smith apologists are not welcome here, so don’t come back, you’ve been haunting this Blog for the last three years and quite frankly I’m sick fed up with your snidey comments.
    Therefore I have taken the decision finally (Should have done it years ago) that any more comments from you will be marked as spam and deleted, so take the hint and scram..!!

    Joe.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 24, 2013 @ 8:12 pm

  760. Hello Godfrey.

    You do not have to explain to me or anyone else that you are going on a cruise, it’s none of my business, and good luck to you and your wife, I hope you both have a great time on your holiday, you deserve it for looking after your wife.
    But since you have it all worked out then it’s up to you what you tell the DWP, I’m just telling you I would tell them nothing, because I know what they’re like and I know how difficult they can make peoples lives, but that doesn’t mean you have to follow me.

    But as I’ve explained to Beth the DWP snoop, we are up against the DWP, we are up against people who follow no rules, recognise no law, have nothing but contempt for all their own regulations, unless it suits them.
    Who have a leader – Iain Duncan Smith – who stands up in the commons and lies his head off. No data protection act is respected by these people, if they want to stop your money because they’re jealous you are going on a cruise then they will do so, I know Godfrey it’s sad, but you have to get in to the mindset of these people.

    I can’t stress enough how bitter and twisted they are – not them all I know that, but their hands are tied, well at least they claim their hands are tied – I can tell you the DWP have targets – Beth will deny it believe me – but I have the proof.
    The DWP front line staff have been told by their managers that they must sanction at least (Minimum) 5% of their customers per week ( Basically any old excuse will do) or the staff themselves will be for it, that means they will get the sack if they don’t toe the line and do what they’re told.

    Incredible isn’t it ? and when challenged Iain Duncan Smith stood up in the house and categorically denied the DWP have targets (On his dear old mums life), perhaps he didn’t know right that minute when he was lying his head off that a leaked e-mail has been released behind his back, well if he didn’t then he knows now, and guess what ? he’s still at it, lying away like there’s no tomorrow. He takes us all for fools.

    And here’s the proof, just be aware is what I’m saying, don’t be a victim out of innocence or lack of knowledge.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/131781238/DWP-Whistleblower-Letter

    Exposed in the Guardian newspaper.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/mar/22/labour-demands-action-jobcentre-targets?INTCMP=SRCH

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 24, 2013 @ 8:42 pm

  761. BETH … what has got us in this state is manufacturers and other huge companies continually selling out the public they sell to / serve, by moving manufacturing industries and call centres abroad to chase a bigger profit margin. That along with UK govt’s allowing thousands upon thousands of foreign workers to flood into Britain to take up the jobs that otherwise would be available for people born here. All in the name of a European Market.
    There are real people out there who are ill who cant possibly work.
    People who thanks to the lies and other under hand means, of ATOS have been refused the benefits they need to survive. These people still have rent to pay, they still have to feed and to clothe themselves.
    Good luck to Godfrey on his holiday, he has obviously found a way of managing his budget, it may have taken him years to save for this cruise
    The disabled off this country don’t need an I D S’s groupie slagging them off at every turn, go and find some one else to annoy you SAD SAD woman…

    If your govt wants to save money, then they can start by NOT taking a pay rise til this crisis is over, and then stop the Wankers..sorry bankers who started this crisis from taking obscene bonuses.
    They could then use that money to help create REAL jobs, not just jobs that enable the fabulously rich companies out there to enjoy free ( slave ) Labour.
    If they need the extra staff then they should pay for them.

    Comment by Dave — March 25, 2013 @ 9:52 am

  762. Hear hear..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 25, 2013 @ 12:40 pm

  763. thankyou im very down why does the goverment want to hurt us ?i would rather have cancer than schophrenia it makes me nervous of everyone i think ppl are all going to kill me i take one surprise one thousand six hundred daily plus hart pills as after ten yrs the surprise has caused hart problems two scents and constant angina pain

    Comment by sue walker — April 4, 2013 @ 7:29 pm

  764. Hello Sue.

    I don’t think the Government care one way or the other whether you or I are hurt or not, getting hurt is just part of their evil process.
    They just want the money they give you, they want to keep it for themselves, so you see that’s what it’s all about.
    The great evil…………MONEY.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 4, 2013 @ 7:38 pm

  765. how can they assess mental illness ? I have had schophrenia yes i did work with it when i was young i was buying tamarzapan sleeping pills and knocking back red wine to self medicate as i went into hospital voluntary and was given electric shock therapy so i ran away and started living working self mediating i never was drunk i just did it to block out paranoid thoughts until my mom died then i hit bottom had out of body experience threw eighty grand into the thames and tried to finnish my life now im taking thousand six hundred mg of surprise daily i dont trust doctors or hospitals i think they all want to kill us i wouldn’t hurt a fly im nervous of other ppl i often buy food then have to throw it away as fear of poisoned how can they assess me why dont they listen to gp who treats ppl like us long term mental illness suffers i think ppl will kill themselves because they are nervous is this test for all mentally ill ppl even long term illness any one know?

    Comment by sue walker — April 4, 2013 @ 7:57 pm

  766. Hi Sue… the assessment for Employment and support allowance is for everyone who receives it. It’s not personal, although we take it personal, as I said we all have to face this daft test as long as we continue to draw ESA.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 5, 2013 @ 6:33 am

  767. Hi dwpexamination , I received a letter from the tribunal service asking me to return the form if I want to continue with my esa appeal. Done that. Do you know if the Tribunal hearing follows soon, matter of weeks, after such a letter? Or can it be months?

    Letter said put in further evidence before hearing date so I’m wondering how long I would have to prepare as not sure of timeframe.

    Is there a minimum number of weeks notice from receiving the Hearing date before it takes place?

    CAB are snowed under so I don’t think I can get help there at moment.

    Thanks!

    Comment by DeCam — April 5, 2013 @ 9:23 am

  768. Hello DeCam.

    Yes it’s normal to get that letter, and shouldn’t be long before you get a date for the hearing, when you do receive the hearing notification letter it should give roughly two weeks notice.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 5, 2013 @ 9:29 am

  769. hi ive had my esa 50 form is it worth asking cab for help filling it in plus i was advised on a facebook site to include hospital and doctors files. do u think thats worth it? i thought they would access them anyway?

    Comment by sharon — April 8, 2013 @ 12:22 pm

  770. No they DO NOT access medical information automatically. It’s up to you to provide copies of letters from hospital consultants to your GP, do not send originals as they often seem to get lost in the post!

    Make an appointment for CAB help to fill in the form and gather any additional information confirming illness, this will support your claim. Good Luck, please remember to send photo copies of any letters/reports.

    Comment by Beth — April 8, 2013 @ 12:31 pm

  771. ok ty will do that today

    Comment by sharon — April 8, 2013 @ 12:39 pm

  772. Had my medical today 4th one. All others failed utill I appealed against them. Expecting no different this time I’m afraid.
    Was ask, would a take a taxi? Said no.
    Last time you went out? My nans funeral feb ( Valium had to be taken )
    Do I drink ? Yes

    Worsted medical yet.
    My PA ive not heard from her in 12 months.

    Anxiety I have constent daily.

    They smile and appear nice and kind but they’re not.

    Last year March it was, I was told I’m not getting anymore money. Next day govn say ex amount of people are off sickness benefits.

    Was ask do I answer the phone, said no, as I don’t.

    I want to go back to work, but I want to get better 1st.
    4 years now, and I’ve got worse.

    You have to make out you you don’t do anything to get it.

    Don’t go out don’t sleep don’t do anything. Joke.

    Anxiety/depression going out walking seeing friends is the best way forward IMO

    But no the DWP Atossss think they know better don’t they, then the medical world !!

    Comment by Jamie — April 9, 2013 @ 3:26 pm

  773. Most people are lucky they get to see a doctor after claiming dla. I have lung cancer and just had major surgery to remove a third of one lung and will be having chemo once I am up to it. I made a claim for dla 8 weeks ago 1 month after being diagnosed and have been turned down without anyone asking my consultant and surgeon or my lung nurse or physio they just asked my gp who I have not seen since jan and because she doesnt have any repotts rrom e1 eles yet as I am still in hospital the guy looked at my claim and wrote me a letter basically saying I am fit for work and I dont need any care or exrra help.
    Of course this is hilarious and whats more funny is I called and asked for the doctors name they use to help them make this decision and ws told they dont use doctors ga ha ha sooooo I think I will take up a new profession telling people if they are ill or not by asking them to write to me with their symptoms. If they seem to sound like they have a serious illness or disease thdn I will gove them the goof news that they should stop whining and get to work. If they have wat seems yo b a cold or headache yhen I will tell em they better write their xmas cards early just jn case.
    The government have no right playing with peoples lives its ridiculous. Who is this person to say wat care I need etc. He asked my gp and I gave him details of all the consultants in charge of my care whom he didnt contact. The question is….why
    When I get some more answers I will update here so keep sn eye out

    Comment by Catherine Dolan — April 15, 2013 @ 5:49 pm

  774. Hello Catherine.

    Sorry to hear you are seriously ill, The DWP and ATOS have absolutely no acumen at all have they ? and even less compassion.
    Of course you can see what they are trying to do can’t you ? the whole idea is to force you to appeal.
    And if their so called decision maker doesn’t see sense then that is what you will do and win, we can help here at our sister site
    http://www.dwpexamination.org just log in and get that help when and if you need it..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 15, 2013 @ 6:11 pm

  775. Although it’s good to look at the funny side of all this and have a bit of a laugh, it really is absolutely disgusting that genuinely unwell people should be subjected to this appalling treatment. This revolting government don’t give a damn about disabled people.

    Comment by Ian Strange — April 15, 2013 @ 6:15 pm

  776. Hi, I have found this site very interesting. I have my first medical assessment on Monday & am quite worried about it. With the luck I’ve been having recently I think my ESA will be cancelled. Up until just over a year ago I hardly had a day off work sick, since I developed Meneire’s disease I ‘ve lost count of the time I’ve been off. I’m no longer able to work as I tire very easily & am dizzy all the time even on a good day. I would love to be able to go to work, I get so mad reading everyone’s stories, that it’s the few idiots that commit benefit fraud that ruin it for the majority of genuine people. I am a very independent person & absolutely hate having to depend on someone to help me get dressed or bathe if I’m having a bad day. What I was wanting to ask, can anyone give me advice if I should take medical evidence with me of what medication I’m on etc, since getting Meneires I’m on anti-depressents also ifany other advice would be much appreciated, thank you
    Sue

    Comment by Sue — April 17, 2013 @ 9:29 pm

  777. Hello Sue.

    You should take your medical notes with you to the assessment and evidence of any medication you are taking.
    Yes it will increase your chances, but the whole object and the point of these ATOS assessments are an excuse to throw us of sickness benefits, you have to realise this.
    So if the worst comes to the worst and you do have to appeal against an unfair fit for work decision then you will be in the same boat as everyone else just about.
    There’s help available here at our sister site if you do have to appeal.
    http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 17, 2013 @ 10:38 pm

  778. Hi, make sure if you can, that you record the session, you do not need to tell the Dr but you can if you wish. It only breaches UK law if you then share the recording with a third party without permission.
    Recordings can bring to light a whole host lot of lies and half truths when the report is released eventually sent through.
    Ma