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I recently received the following email and would be very interested in reading a full account of the events surrounding this case. This is obviously alarming and cast further doubt upon the credibility of ATOS healthcare. your comments would be appreciated. I have received other similar emails but do not have permission to post them, please note, I do not respond to private emails and therefore it is essential that you give me permission to post the content of your messages otherwise I feel it is inappropriate to do so as you may wish to remain anonymous.
I get emails like this almost daily now and would like to make up a dossier on the activities of ATOS which could be presented to the Government as proof of malpractice. This has its drawbacks though as I would need to verify each case and provide the Government Official I eventually present it to with names and addresses. Dont know how you feel about that but if you give me the information and permission to use it I will go ahead.
Here is the email.
Hi,
I’m posting on behalf of my cousin who doesn’t have a pc/internet access.
In March last year, my cousin was diagnosed with Asperger’s Syndrome and five other mental health problems. That was by the Maudsley hospital, probably the best in the country; he was seen by three specialists for a whole day for tests, having previously filled in detailed questionnaires. When he advised JCS of this he was told to apply for ESA.
Though he was told his ATOS examination would last 1-1 1/2 hours, he was assessed in under 20 minutes; this was on DATE REMOVED. He scored 0 points, despite the examiner having a 17-page report detailing his obvious handicaps; the woman either did not read the report, did not understand it or, in her infinite wisdom, felt she knew better.
The appeal achieved nothing. On March 12, my cousin went to a tribunal, accompanied by me and another (distant) relative. My cousin was questioned by a legal and a medical representative, both of whom seemed extremely sympathetic and understanding. After an hour, we were asked to leave and wait until they had made their decision. When we returned, my cousin had been awarded 30 points, the maximum.
Two points:
1) We would have gone to tribunal regardless of your blog but your diaries encouraged us enormously. Thank you.
2) Obviously this has all caused my cousin considerable and unneccessary distress, but beyond that, how much has this lengthy process cost the tax payer? Given the high success rate of claimants at tribunals, I would guess thousands are being pissed away in this manner.
This is all very condensed, please feel free to email me if you want any more details.
all the best in your campaign
I have taken the liberty of removing the author’s name, you know who you are please give me as much detail as you can of the examination centre, access to it and the medical. This must have been an incredibly degrading situation.
I’ll be back
Here I am again!
Atos have yet again changed my appointment!
I feel like not going. It is obvious from all that I have read, that they are going to fail
me anyway – so why put myself through all of this?
I am very fed up and frustrated.
I keep trying to arrange a break with some friends. And every time I do – Atos change my appointment.
I dont want to tell them that I want a break – as they will tell me that if I am fit enough
to go on a break etc……….
The whole episode is getting me down
Comment by Anonymous — July 21, 2010 @ 10:59 am
Dont give in, remember, the most important thing here is not to fall foul of thier tactics. Contact your MP and ask them to investigate on your behalf, you will be surprised how accomodating ATOS become. Keep your chin up, we all know its difficult and are here to support you when you need it. Let your frustration out here, thats what this blog and the forum is for. Thay know how you are feeling and will only welcome your not turning up as to then, thats proof you were swinging the lead. Its all part of the ATOS /DWP psychological warfare plan and usually works.
Comment by dwpexamination — July 22, 2010 @ 7:43 am
This is happening all over the country it happened to me with ATOS HCP who found me fit for work with major surgery due within weeks of the medical assessment and having severe mental health problems ie one of these problems not being able to go out alone!
I have been through the complaints system with ATOS who cover up most of the bad dealings/failures of their HCP they then send this to the Idependent Tier who then cover for the HCP and try and turn it all on you the claiment. You end up with two reports that are unsigned/un-named so you do not know who did these reports and ATOS say you do not need to know! A monkey could have written these and by the looks of mine it was two monkeys
After this they(ATOS) will not answer to you anymore saying their investigations are complete please contact the cheif excutive of JCP i did and he passed it to the district manager who said not much. I wrote again tothe cheif and he says my complaints are being investigated by ICE at this time…NO! my complaints of JCP are being investigated at this time fools!!!!not ATOS
I reported the Dr to GMC who are making things hard for me by ignoring me!
So im going to try the Ombudsman see what they think about my complaints of ATOS but their complaints procedure is just as hard to get things going, if they ever do?
My MP gave up trying he was ignored and could not do anything he had no powers, so he referred it to ombudsman who then sent it all back to me to go through the complaints system…i was trying through the complaints system but I was being ignored at the time by JCP, so how could I go through the complaints that is why the MP sent it all to ombudsman MAD MAD WORLD!
I want to expose JCP and ATOS so hope I can as inside the complaints you are jsut another number to be played with until you give up.
Comment by Sandy — October 15, 2010 @ 5:59 am
Welcome to our world, many of the readers here and on our sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.wordpress.org are or have experienced the same level of frustration you have. All organisations are accountable for thier actions and the DWP and ATOS are not exempt from the Law. They think they are and hide behind the smoke and mirrors tactics used to deliberately frustrate and confuse those who dare to complain. Takw a look at the blog and the forum, join us in our fight for fairness and spread the word to friendsa and family who will add thier voice and support to our cause. The more members we have the better.
Comment by dwpexamination — October 15, 2010 @ 6:52 am
Hi,
I have been receiving letters from Atos to attend a medical but am bed bound. DWP said that I need to get my GP to send a fax to ATOS stating this which he duly did. Atos have since sent me another appointment for a medical and when I called up to say I’m unable to attend because of being bed bound they just said you will receive a letter and wouldn’t inform me if the appointment was cancelled or not. This has been going on since September, I am completely fed up now. Please help me and advise what I need to do?
Comment by C — December 20, 2010 @ 10:37 pm
This is quite common for ATOS, please try to contact your Local Authority Welfare rights office or the CAB for help. In the mean time contact your Dr and ask if he has contacted ATOS by fax, next call ATOS to make sure they have recieved it. Whilst you have them on the phone ask what action they intend to take next. Make notes of any communications you have with ATOS or the DWP from now on, they will come in handy at some point. When you get a home visit make sure you have someone in attendance to take notes, make sure you get the full details of the HCP. Good luck and keep us posted. You can find further information and templates on our sister forum at http://www.dwexamination.myfreeforum.org its free to join and you will find many people in a similar situation to yourself.
Comment by dwpexamination — December 21, 2010 @ 7:44 am
Yes, my Doctor sent a fax and Atos confirmed they have received it but won’t tell me anymore. i.e. They have sent me an appointment for 29th December at a medical centre, when I re-informed them I am bedbound and cannot get there, they won’t confirm if the appointment is cancelled or not or tell me a thing. They just said you will receive a letter – I am still waiting for said letter. I am so frustrated with Atos, they treat me like a piece of chit over the telephone.
Comment by C — December 21, 2010 @ 1:45 pm
You are not alone, they do the same to everyone, its part of thier demoralising process. They try to grind you down so you are at your lowest when you are seen by one of thier HCP’s. Please try to remain strong, they rely on your caving in to get away with thier evil deeds.
Comment by dwpexamination — December 22, 2010 @ 9:28 am
Have you a computer, if so email ATOS customer service giving your details and tell them you are bed bound, cannot make the appointment you will have to have a home visit. Say also you would like a response within three working days of this email. Print and keep a copy of your email and their email to you.
Also contact your MP sending a copy of these emails, if you cannot do this get someone who can, or maybe some-one on here can do this for you. ATOS cannot force you to an appointment you are unable to attend, they have to consider your health problems.
Comment by sandy — December 22, 2010 @ 10:17 am
Thanks for help, I will email them but they won’t give me their email address over the phone, does anyone have it please?
Comment by C — December 22, 2010 @ 4:50 pm
customer-relations@atoshealthcare.com
custrelations@atoshealthcare.com
Try these I used them for my complaints etc. Complain to them how you are being treated and cc at the same time to your MP their office will take note and ask why you are sending this tell them you are in complaints with ATOS at how they are treating you and would like your MP involved he/she is there to help you. If you need anymore help Ill be looking in like all the others good luck.
Comment by sandy — December 23, 2010 @ 2:32 am
Hi, I also have my GP request for home visit. Same scenario, more appointments too attend, they know I’ve just had surgery, anterior cervical discectomy. I’ve email them and cc my MP.
thank for all the great advice
Comment by Joh — January 13, 2011 @ 6:16 pm
Well,not heard a thing from Atos and the date they gave me 29th December has passed and my benefits haven’t stopped. I presume they are finally arranging a home visit. Thanks for all the great advice. xx
Comment by Anonymous — January 13, 2011 @ 7:18 pm
Keep us posted please?
Comment by dwpexamination — January 14, 2011 @ 10:34 am
Its all about passing on intellegence gained from contributors like yourself. The more information we have, the better armed we are for our appeals. Keep us posted please.
Comment by dwpexamination — January 14, 2011 @ 10:35 am
As you can see Joh, I have had the same problem since September being bed bound and despite my doctor sending them a fax stating this they kept on sending me appointments to attend. Call them up to ensure they have received your Doctor’s fax, do not attend any appointments, let them know you are not because of being bed bound and the emails to Atos and your MP will help.
Good luck
Comment by Cheryl — January 14, 2011 @ 5:51 pm
[...] Atos Healthcare who are the privatised company being paid to undertake the WCA/work capability assessments are in trouble, they not taking into account people s medical condition’s, the WCA is not a medical assessment but an assessment of your physical capability, people who have returned from Iraq and Afghanistan who have lost limbs have been told they are not disabled enough to claim, basically the government is trying to do away with the term disability so as not to allow people to claim they are, they have already said they expect “everyone to do something, the days of doing nothing are over” being sick or disabled is now like being a criminal. [...]
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Hi there, My husband and myself have been fighting a D.W.P. appeal for the past year, after we both failed an examination/assessment by ATOS medical ‘professionals’ we decided to seek help from the C.A.B. in our area and have both just won our appeals, a month apart. The reports written up by ATOS medical examiners were full of lies, so I’d say if you are genuinely ill, appeal all D.W.P. decisions and get some real support if you can. I haven’t read all the bloggs on here yet, as I have only just come across this great place by accident, but it’s good to know your not alone going through the srtess caused by the powers that be – good luck to anyone who’s on a journey through hell at present and sorry for my poor spelling.
Comment by Celtic — February 24, 2011 @ 12:32 am
Hi there. I don’t think i have ever felt so angry and frustrated in my entire life and i am sixty six years of age, and why? bloody ATOS Health Care.I am a full time career for my 19 year old granddaughter who lives with me. Today,16 March 2011, i had to take her to ALBERT BRIDGE HOUSE in Manchester for a medical assessment.It was more like an interrogation as we were made to feel like criminals. I was hoping to get some help and advice for my granddaughter while we were there but instead, i think i managed to lose her what small amount of benefit she receives because i couldn’t help myself, i lost my temper.After being told as we walked into the interview room, you, sit there, no ,not there, there as she glared at my granddaughter saying, i want you next to me, i want you looking at me when i speak to you!! As i began to try and explain about my granddaughters condition,I was told (very sharply)I am speaking to your granddaughter, i will tell you when i want you to speak.My gran daughter hardly ever leaves her bedroom as it is very traumatic for her. If we do have to go out like today,i have to go with her by taxi as she is frightened of people.Before we went to the interview, i assured her that i would do the talking and not to worry.Her doctor put her on homeopathic medicine as she can’t swallow conventional tablets,these have now been stopped due to government cut backs.Her Doctor could only think of one clinic locally for psychiatric help but, when i phoned i was told, there is a waiting list, this was 18 months ago. I searched and searched and found another one, guess what? there’s a waiting list, that was 12 months ago. i found out, our job centre has a visiting psychologist, we turned up for our first appointment but she didn,t, we turned up for our second appointment, they forgot to tell her we were coming. when at the end of the interview today i was told, now you can speak, i just wanted to get out of there so, all i said was, we had to get a taxi down with my granddaughter being afraid of people and i was told-we could claim for it, NOW,this is when i lost my temper!This bitch said,i can authorise payment but i,m not, let her get the bus.What can i do about this woman and what she put my granddaughter through today and, i know that witch will have her benefit stopped, God help us then.
Comment by Brenda hickey — March 16, 2011 @ 9:32 pm
That was a dreadful experience you had to go through, god knows what goes through these so called health care professionals minds, very arrogant people.
Of course you must lodge a complaint to ATOS by using the links below, I copied and pasted from comment 11 above.
If your granddaughter fails the medical assessment you must appeal immediately, as soon as you receive the letter informing you, it usually says on there you did not receive enough points etc, yes I know it’s a nightmare.
That means then you request a GL 24 form and the ATOS assessment report from the DWP.
The GL 24 form is for the appeal, and the report, usually called an ESA 85 or a IB 85, will give you the information on why she failed.
As you know these miscreants receive a bonus for every person they fail, god knows how they sleep at night..!!
Keep in touch and let us all know how things went..!!
(PS) They dont call it a medical assessment anymore, it’s a functional assessment now.
customer-relations@atoshealthcare.com
comcustrelations@atoshealthcare.com
Comment by dwpexamination — March 16, 2011 @ 11:30 pm
It’s disgusting to say the least im constantly hounded by these war mongers for no reason except standing for whats
right this country is screwed up why is it that the most vulnrable in sociotey are targetted by the media and the
goverment and dwp and atos it’s disgusting i had a hell of a time becouse i was in a work accident and was made
to claim esa.
Oh boy the money is not worth the hassle although if i don’t go through this ordeal my family will starve im
clearly still in the hand’s of doctors and just been sent back to the hospital it’s crazy if your British and you
care do some thing about this.
Im to weak to eve type yet these idiots at dwp listen to atos lies and stop my money every other week for no reason
only to have to reinstate it and im given no reason why it was stopped appart from it was atos fault.
Sick to death of this how many people are going to kill them self’s over this ????
IT NEED’S TO STOP NOW.
Comment by muhaa — April 29, 2011 @ 1:47 pm
We are all finding out the realities of life under ATOS/DWP it’s a witch hunt alright, and a disgrace, people have already killed themselves, and it is all being covered up by the media, like everything else to do with ATOS/DWP that’s negative .
The constant harassment is deliberate and is designed to wear us down, keep fighting, we all are at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/index.php click on and help us and help yourself !!
Comment by dwpexamination — April 29, 2011 @ 2:20 pm
‘After being told as we walked into the interview room, you, sit there, no ,not there, there as she glared at my granddaughter saying, i want you next to me, i want you looking at me when i speak to you!! As i began to try and explain about my granddaughters condition,I was told (very sharply)I am speaking to your granddaughter, i will tell you when i want you to speak.’
If that had been me I would have right go at the HCP she/he would have failed you anyway take no talk like that from a overpaid under-trained monkey! They are there to make money not for your interests.
I hope all their thousands of pounds those HCP make from the misery of sick people choke them and may they have bad luck all thier lifes with thier blood money
Comment by sandy — May 1, 2011 @ 2:41 am
When you try to tell people the truth about ATOS healthcare, they just don’t believe it, the public have been braiwashed by the right wing media, MPs are turning a blind eye, MPs like Anne Begg the Aberdeen MP who was made a Dame to keep her mouth shut, Danny Alexander who knows all about ATOS corruption was bribed by a job in the cabinet, the rest are patting each others bottoms it’s sickening.
They are like the fish in the sea, they all learn which way to swim, and they all swim that way together.
The truth must come out eventually, and we will be ready with our horror stories.
We are fighting them here at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/index.php As I said one day the truth will out, and their gravy train will be no more..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — May 1, 2011 @ 8:39 am
I hope someone takes Atos to court they are a private company who acted upon you. Therefore they must be made accountable to you. Atos and DWP make you beleive that Atos are only accountable to DWP i do not beleive this is the case. GMC cover up the HCP MD’s only a court healring will sort these people out, but I think funding for court healrings has been taken away for those who try? If you think you have a solid case and can represent yourself Id go for it.
Comment by sandy — May 1, 2011 @ 10:18 am
Cost’s a lot of money Sandy, and they know that, there’s no doubt there’s an all in conspiracy, and it runs right through the judicary system as well, what a corrupt country this has become.
Is this what our fathers fought Nazism for, believe me, it won’t be long before they start thinking about bumping off all the useless eaters.
Don’t forget, it took Hiitler from 1934 to around 1938 before he started getting the idea to kill the mentally ill, after the public were brainwashed of course.
And another 3 years to murder anyone he and his cronies didn’t like the look off.
6 to 7 years was all it took, and since ATOS have been abusing people for at least 2 years, then by the year 2015 we could be looking at legalised murder with the wholesale approval of the brainwashed public.
The next step up from a denial of your rights is a one way ticket to the British equivalent of Auschwitz, some people will laugh, that can’t happen here they will say.
I say oh yes it can, and it will..!! Let’s fight them and start here. http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/index.php
Comment by dwpexamination — May 1, 2011 @ 12:25 pm
As we cannot get legal aid to defend ourselves, do you think if hundreds of us all over the country made complaints to the Police Fraud squad, they would have to investigate? Years ago a boss stole from my wages everyweek and I could not prove because he gave me no payslips. A work colleague told me to go to fraud dept in local police station and came with me. I thought to minor a complaint they would not do anything. They investigated and watched my boss defrauding the brewery by overcharging and various other scams. They told me that it was up to the brewery to charge him; so I got another colleague to photocopy actual payslips and compared with the little back book what my boss kept so he could keep an eye on what he was doing. I went to brewery and told all, they contacted fraud squad who backed up what I saw. I got my money reimbursed they wouldnt tell me what happened to the boss but he would have been sacked, (he was in another pub in country for same brewery by this time).
If enough people show fraudulent reports they may take it up. I am willing to give it a go, any one else?
Comment by rebelliousstreak — May 13, 2011 @ 6:26 am
I have been finished from the job that i absolutely adored,through severe Bi-Polar dissorder ,last October 2010.
I wasnt aware that i was entitled to anty other benefits (as i have a 14 yr old in full time education and already receive tax credits and family allowance and a little CSA .
I was told in Jan that i was entitled to more benefits and foned the job centre,on Jan14th ,they put me throu to Barnsley ,who posted me out the relevant booklets to fill in .
I waited over 7 weeks to no avail.On 26th April ,i finally got throu to them again,who again ,sent out the 2nd lot of forms!!!….saying that they had NEVER receiced the 1st lot !!!????? ….even though I had personally posted them myself !!!!
It is now the 17th June AND STILL I HAVENT HEARD A WORD !!!! …??????
Whenever i “”TRY!!” to fone the Barnsley office ,its is …..”C O N S S T A N T L Y BUSY!!!” and get cut off !!!!
I have wrote 3 letters ,and STILL NO REPLY !!!!…..Today …..i have YET AGAIN been on the fone for over 2 Hrs to NO AVAIL YET AGAIN !!!!!
ALL I WANT …IS TO BE ABLE TO CLAIM THE BENEFITS THAT I’M ENTITLED TO !!!!
I have never been unable to work EVER before in my entire life before and give ANYTHING TO BE ABLE TO WORK NOW !!!
PLEASE ……PLEASE ….PLEASE ….. CAN ANY ONE HELP ME !!! Julie x
Comment by Anonymous — June 17, 2011 @ 4:26 pm
Hello Julie.
You should pay a personal visit to your local JCP and let them know that you have filled in the forms and could you let me know what’s happening to my claim.
For expert advice Julie visit our forum here at
Comment by dwpexamination — June 17, 2011 @ 11:29 pm
You should contact Darra Singh CE of JCP who can direct you to your district manger to complian to about this. I am not sure about where you live to this would be the best way forward. Best wat to do this is to email him they cannot say this got lost in the post then! Email him and keep a copy make sure you send cc to your MP and inform your local MP of this and he will take this on for you also. Email darra Singh -darra.singh@jobcentreplus.gsi.gov.uk. Even if you go to your JCP offices this may not turn out how you want and also you have a right to make a complaint about these forms and loss of benefits you need to be compensated for.
Look up DWP compenstaions on the web: http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/cru-customer-charter.pdf
Also look at: http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/customer-charter-dwp.pdf
Also look at: http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/your_money/benefits/problems_with_benefits_and_tax_credits.htm#making_a_complaint_about_benefit_and_tax_credit_service_standards
DWP states:
We will treat you fairly and make sure that any comment or complaint does not affect the service we give you.
What to do if:
You are not satisfied with the service we have given you
You think we have made a mistake
You need more help or advice
You want to tell us we have done something well
Making a complaint about benefit and tax credit service standards
You have the right to expect a reasonable standard of service from the people dealing with benefits, tax credits and national insurance. If you have received poor service or have been disadvantaged because of errors or a slow response, you should consider complaining.
Service includes things such as meeting target times for dealing with claims and providing interpretation facilities. Most agencies that deal with benefits, including local authorities, will have a charter or statement of standards of service that sets out and what you can expect. You will be able to get this from their offices or websites.
You can complain whether or not you have made a claim. However, if you have claimed a benefit or tax credit and you think a decision is wrong, you will not be able to change the decision by making a complaint. You will have to challenge the decision as well, which involves a different, separate process – see the heading Challenging a benefit or tax credit decision.
If you make a complaint it may result in:-
•an apology for what has happened
•an explanation of how the problem occurred
•a promise that the problem will be put right, if this is possible
•a change in procedure – this will help other people in the future, and could help you if you have to use the same office again
•financial compensation, although this only applies in certain circumstances – see the heading Compensation.
Comment by Anonymous — June 18, 2011 @ 12:12 pm
HI
I am due for the appeal (second time) as I suffer from Cyclothemia (a form of Bipolar) due to head injury and also have seizures. However the depression lasts longer and my Psychiatrist says it can lead to Bipolar 2 whereby depression does last longer. This can also get worse due to age.
My report came back and is so insulting.
They claim I came with my Mother and go shopping with her. My Mother died in 1988. That I am single and live with my Mother. I am married and it was my wife that came with me. Also my medication is mild for my condition. 800 mg of Tegretol and 10 mg of Escitalipram is mild?
This shows the so called “medical examination” was just a 20 min Observation as they were short staffed. They scored zero on every question and say I have no mental illness.
Does ATOS stand for A load of Tossers! It certainly does in this case
Comment by Kevin Thornhill — August 4, 2011 @ 7:37 am
Hi Kevin.
Yes ATOS truly are a load of tossers, what they are doing to you is typical and not unusual, as you have found out from your own experience they are compulsive liars, medical report fabricators, these people have nothing but contempt for people with any kind of illness and who need help.
You appeal and ask for the assessment rate, as you did before and get some help from your local welfare rights office, you could contact the organisation called MIND as well, telll them in an e-mail how you were treated, don’t worry they will understand what you mean.
We must expose these fools Kevin, expose them for what they are, money grabbing parasites who are taking the food from the disabled and ill and their children. And with that money which is legally ours, they pay themselves extremely large salaries, and not only that but some of them are going on to personal social websites and having a laugh at our expense.
Help us in this fight Kevin, help us defeat them here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/index.php all information on our forum is free, we don’t charge people money for a glimpse at their rights, access to information on how to deal with the DWP/ATOS should be free and is free on our forum.
Comment by dwpexamination — August 4, 2011 @ 8:51 am
cud you please help me….my parent has severe disabilites inc spinabifitia cronic broncities diviticula musle n bone wastage n many other problems,she got asessd of the examiner who put her through agony and weve found out that the doctor has damaged her back,after all that they still kikd her off the sickness benifit.
Comment by michael tweddle — August 12, 2011 @ 3:25 pm
Hello Michael.
You need to appeal immediately, please don’t delay, because they only give a month to do this.
There’s great advice on the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/index.php go there and get help, on how to appeal, what to do for money while waiting for the appeal to be heard, and how the appeal system works, and what to do regarding this brute who damages peoples backs.
Comment by dwpexamination — August 12, 2011 @ 4:35 pm
Hello, I have been fighting for two years now for justice with ATOS and JCP doing terrible things to me, ie stopping my benefits for no reason and without telling me, stopping my benefits when i was ill and due major stomach surgery and had chronic mental health probelms the ESA85 was badly flawed DM failed to act on this, then when they stopped my benefits they failed to send me my appeal rights so i did not know what to do, i had never done appeals before so i did not know about them and the letter they sent just giving me points i scored gave no information what to do!
So I was lost , the after contact my MP (to cut a horror story short as there was more to this) an appeal was put in and accepted, but they did not pay me. When they did pay my benefits back to me 4 weeks later they then withheld my notification letter that the DM had overturned the decision of stopping my benefits. It was not until I made complaints to the CE etc that they sent this out and said SORRY like they always do to cover what they do to you.
Anyway I complain about the HCP who lied in her report and it lies whether the LIMA drops the answers she allows these so she allows lies to be said, the HCP can override the LIMA at anytime they do not so they lie!
Anyway I have gone through the ATOS comlaints and sent it to CE of JCP who then passed it to Kent District to deal with when he should not have!
Brian Pepper admits to the ESA85 being a failure and offers additianal compensation for this;but the Kent District send me a letter saying nothing wrong has taken place blah blah and noting my complaints points were not addressed either!!!#
So I send my ATOS complaints to CE again …guess what??? i get a letter saying they have sent my complaint to ICE!!!!!! as they are dealing with my complaints!!!!1 I try and get info out of ICE ICE mess me around and so as there is a final CE repsonse i send my complaints to ICE and the complaint is the CE did not address my complaints!……Guess what……. ICE ignore my complaint of the CE handling of my ATOS complaints and jsut take as ATOS complaints!!!..it is seen in internal ICE to JCP emails ICE staff telling the JCP of their failure and how to get out of it!!!!…. after months of messsing me around and not making a a agreed contract of complaint with me…I send my complaints to CE of JCP again saying to please look at my ATOS complaints…. I am then contacted to have a face to face meeting with three staff members of JCP, this was arranged for my home, then I could not bring myself to do this i was in tears everyday and when one of these memebers of staff email me to say about it and started goingon about regulations etc I had it, I had enough of regulations as they had broken them so many times.
So the meeting cancelled, I set again the email of the complaints of ATOS again asking for a repsonse to them, but it seems becasue i did not take the meeting they will now not repsond to the complaints. JCP then put a PIC on me, this means Persisitant Issue Customer. JCP have closed me down and have given me one person contact no-ne else is to respond to me!!!!!
The complaints are now being prepared for the Ombudsman as ICE said nothing about JCP handling of my ATOS complaints they covered up what had been done!!!, please be aware that ICE staff are DWP staff!!!!
Comment by Sandy — August 25, 2011 @ 5:54 am
Sandy…That’s a terrible story, and similar things happened to myself, no wonder you are angry, I was angry too, so I know exactly how you feel, PIC, Persistant issue customer, that’s a new one on me, and shows we learn something new every day, I think PVC DWP code is Pontentially violent customer.
Anyway, you have a one on one with somebody at the DWP, I can only suggest a meeting with this person to find a way forward somehow, and yes you are right ICE do not have our best interests at heart, some of the forum members have like you found that out the hard way.
Sandy as I said in my earlier comment, click on here and look in to the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ there is still hope and things you can do to combat these people without putting your health at further risk.
Take care…!!
Comment by dwpexamination — August 25, 2011 @ 1:21 pm
I recently failed a medical exam for my ESA claim, I was involved in a car accident in 2008 which left me with severe shoulder problems. Over the last 3 years, I have undergone 3 surgical procedures on my shoulder, countless physio, regular pain killers, morphine, scans, X-rays, injections, etc, etc.
On my last Medical in July 2011, I took along a letter from the Hospital which was a date for a Pre-Op assessment for my upcoming surgery, I explained to the HCP of what was being undetaken, and that the date for the Op was very soon (Approx 2 weeks). I explained I have at least 3 dislocations per day, in which traps nerves causing absolute agony, I cannot lift with this arm, I have loss of feeling in fingers, blar blarr.
I was then informed i scored Nil points, I had just had my surgery the previous day, which was a 5 hour operation, my surgeon found more problems than first thought and printed out a report for me detailing everything he did, This report even shocked my surgeon.
Anyway, I proceeded to request a reconcideration, and sent in this report, No Joy. So I have requested an appeal, I have received the appeal papers and what a joke, She has made me out to be an Olympic athlete shot-putter. I have pointed out in my appeal for everybody who looks at it, to go along to my surgeons personal website and look up the surgical procedures i had just had, look up the meanings and how dibilitating they were prior to me having the surgery, and I made a point of stating, “Would I really be undergoing surgical procedure of this nature in order to claim benefits”.
I recently contacted my local Welfare rights, who adised me to “Forget the appeal, Go and claim job seekers as I do not have a cat in hells chance of wiining”.
I am shocked to the core??????
Comment by Marko — August 31, 2011 @ 4:58 pm
I recently contacted my local Welfare rights, who adised me to “Forget the appeal, Go and claim job seekers as I do not have a cat in hells chance of wiining”.
I am shocked to the core??????
That’s the first time I’ve ever heard that, and thousands are appealing every day against these draconian medicals, the local welfare rights (Where is that ?) have no right to tell you that because it’s nonsense it’s an absolute disgrace, perhaps they are swamped with appeals nevertheless that doesn’t mean you have to miss out on your rights, and that means you must appeal and you must insist because you will win.
At the moment in regard to money, while you wait for the appeal to be heard you can apply for the assessment rate, which is the same as job seekers allowance, and the same deal, housing and council tax rebate etc. And when you win your appeal in eight months time or thereabouts all money they owe you will be refunded, less of course the assessment rate.
If in a million to one chance you failed to win the appeal, you owe them nothing, not a penny, zilch so you can just re-apply for ESA again (Because 6 months will have passed) , and saves you having to sign on for job seekers allowance.
Very shortly the new forum will be back online (It’s down for an upgrade and some maintenance at the moment) and any extra information you need is available, and free…!! http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/
Comment by dwpexamination — August 31, 2011 @ 6:03 pm
i have lost everything after i lost my trinabal hearing last week. i had a accident in 2008 when i fell over a paving slab going to work. i broke 2 bones and damage my ligaments in my right thumb. to cut a long story short, i lost my job, have artitis in both hands. this aug right thumb was fused. ATOS was well no words for them. i have paid taxes and national health ins. i tried to commit sucide on fri because of the pain i am in pain both mentally and phsc. i cant eat proper and i am not looking forward to christmas. the council did not care, my ex company didnt care nor did ATOS. tomorrow i have a appt eith my doctor but the why i feel about the way ATOS treat people is disgusting.
Comment by trisha chambers — November 29, 2011 @ 2:34 pm
Trisha.
The tribunals are corrupt as well, obviously not them all, but a lot of these so called judges and Drs on the tribunals make decisions that are ideological rather than just logical, I bet they looked like a pair of Tory voters ?.
Anyway not enough of us are doing anything, not enough of us are shouting out loud enough for our rights, we are trying to do something about ATOS/DWP Government corruption at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/
Comment by dwpexamination — November 29, 2011 @ 4:03 pm
Trisha.
The tribunals are corrupt as well, obviously not them all, but a lot of these so called judges and Drs on the tribunals make decisions that are ideological rather than just logical, I bet they looked like a pair of Tory voters ?.
Anyway not enough of us are doing anything, not enough of us are shouting out loud enough for our rights, we are trying to do something about ATOS/DWP Government corruption at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/
Comment by dwpexamination — November 29, 2011 @ 4:03 pm
Why oh why am I having to do this??Signed off with chronic bronchitis and other things.Had to have medical assessment 16/11/2011 and scored NIL.Now how can I be fit for work when my bronchitis can last for three months at a time in winter.And can even occur in summer a month at a time.So who wants to employ me???
Comment by patricia gatliffe — December 13, 2011 @ 2:38 pm
Hi Patricia.
The only option you have is to appeal to the first tier tribunal, get a GL 24 appeal form from the DWP also ask them for the ESA 85 report.
The ESA 85 is the report ATOS send to the DWP and is almost always full of lies, you need it so that you have an idea what you are appealing against.
On the appeal form make sure you inform the DWP that you wish to be paid at the assessment rate while waiting for the appeal to be heard.
You can get plenty of help with the appeal amongst other things, here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/
Comment by dwpexamination — December 13, 2011 @ 4:34 pm
hi I lost my appeal and tri. They have stopped my benefit even though i have arthritis and a thumb fusion and depression. I tried to will it does not matter. My problems started back in 2008 when I fell over a paving slab going to work. broke 2 bones and damage ligaments in right thumb 2010 I was dismissed from my job because of the accident which lead to depression this year had to have a thumb fusion and still on going appt at doctors and hospital.. every day the pain gets worse even though i am on medication. doing things are harder. getting dress etc are the worse. always paid NHI ans taxes. didnt get no comp from council because it was under a one inch. laughable is it not. but the pains go on and on
Comment by trisha chambers — December 13, 2011 @ 7:05 pm
Hi Trisha.
If six months have passed since you were told you were fit for work by the DWP then you have the right to re-apply for ESA, you don’t need to sign on but try again with another tribunal. A lot depends on who you get at the tribunal some are stricter than others, some are so biased it wouldn’t matter what evidence you had it’s still a no pass. I know because I have had them both…!!
Comment by dwpexamination — December 13, 2011 @ 7:51 pm
Cant get employment and support because I am not ill enough cant get Jobseekers cause I am too ill. which way do I turn. please help
Comment by trisha chambers — December 16, 2011 @ 3:38 pm
The UK is a mess now, no jobs, no hope, no help for the poor. Is Cameron the son of Hitler by any chance?
Comment by Mr Scapegoat — January 17, 2012 @ 9:10 pm
Spawn of Hitler..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — January 18, 2012 @ 5:14 am
Untill all the people uprise against our goverment we will go deeper into depression and britain will fall. yes he may be the spawn of Hitler. people are dying under new regulations of the welfare system!
Comment by Sandy — January 20, 2012 @ 10:08 am
We ned to protest peacfully as a whole country at the goverments handling of Britain this is the uprise i talk of. We have to all come out of homes and say we take no-more.
Comment by Sandy — January 20, 2012 @ 10:10 am
Hi Sandy.
I think more and more people are beginning to realise that this Government are real hard task masters, and seem to have the knack of alienating just about everyone they come in to contact with, this is good news for us paradoxically speaking because the more cruel they are the sooner people will say enough is enough..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — January 20, 2012 @ 12:22 pm
I am waiting for a appt to go ATOS for my assessment. I am not looking forward to it. Not because there is nothing wrong with me . I have now got Arthritis on top off my other problems. also suffer from Depression cursed by ATOS after what happened to me last year, they told lies about even though I had proof from Docotor and \Consulant which I am still under. What lies are they going to say this time.
Comment by trisha chambers — January 20, 2012 @ 4:27 pm
Well Trisha same as always, the same lies as the last time, they keep coming at us in the same old way, we must meet them in the same old way.
That means if the result of the assessment is not to your liking then appeal and win. If you need help then it’s available here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ just pick a username and log in….
Comment by dwpexamination — January 20, 2012 @ 7:08 pm
I complained to the Higher Tier level and won my complaint though the higher tier covered up most of all the HCP did wrong. It was admitted she did not fill in the Report properly more so on the mental health. They say she may have been effected by the wording in my ESA50 which stated FUD OFF -
FUD U they stated these were sexual swear words and so did JCP!!!!
I am saying Canterbury was where i had my assessment and the HCP name was E** B****. If anyone had the same HCP with the same name which if you fill the stars yourll get the name. She had been allowed to do assessments although she did not know how to record in the mental section how many people did she fail through her stupidity! It took nearly a year for the Higher Tier to admit this and all that time this Dr was allowed to carry on working!!!
Comment by Sandy — January 30, 2012 @ 2:53 pm
Hello Sandy.
Well done and keep appealing and keep complaining until we beat them, what’s this about swear words ? they keep mentioning DWP (Dpt of Wankers and Pricks) all the time on their documents and they don’t get berated or reproached, so it’s good enough for them but not good enough for us ?.
http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ so DWP/ATOS why don’t you just FUD OFF…lol.
Comment by dwpexamination — January 30, 2012 @ 3:26 pm
I have been on the phone to watchdog and spoken to one of their researchers …. she has. A meeting with the producer of the show tonight and are scheduling an atos evening at some point soon… they are seeking evidence … so please contact them with your story …..
Comment by alice — February 21, 2012 @ 11:43 am
Hi Alice.
The forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/index.php will be interested..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — February 21, 2012 @ 2:23 pm
I have just been in for my first ever assessment and I wanted to share what happened incase it is of any help to anyone else. I had my assessment done by someone who said she was a nurse. One of the problems I have is sensitivity to noise. At the start of my assessment. She took me into a room but within seconds of arriving we were interrupted by this really loud noise – it was really loud and so loud it made my ears hurt – and I had to leave the room….she apologised and then tried to find somewhere else but then she came back in the room again and then the noise stopped.Then she proceeded with the assessment.I sent in all my medical records done my consultants, and specialists who deal with my illness which is complex and invisible. When I asked the nurse she said she had ‘flipped’ through them but it didn’t matter because the decision maker would have copies of everything and would take it all into consideration. She asked me a couple of questions and was just typing the whole time on the computer. She asked me to do things with my arms and legs and then recorded it all on the computer. You can’t see any of my physical symptoms which include motion sickness, neuralgia, migraine, dizziness and vertigo but doing anything with these things is debilitating and exhausting what is the point of testing functions of body parts – when it is the brain and nervous system that are the bits that are not working right. I felt like I was going to my death in that place it was awful – so dehumanising. It just smacked on Nazi-ism – in the whole demeanour of the people there. I have read a few books by survivors of the holocaust. The only thing that was missing was the uniforms. I have worked all my life – and I am a graduate with a professional career that I had to stop due to illness – I paid national insurance and I never wanted to fall ill. I also used to work for the benefits agency years ago. Having read some of the stories and my own experience which I never want to have to go through again – when I got home I just cried and cried. I don’t know how these people can sleep at night with what they do – do they have a conscience – one drop of human compassion for people that are through no fault of their own ill. Illness is not something that people choose. They should be using their common sense and genuinely looking to helping genuine people as much as possible – that is what a welfare state is for to help the sick and needy. It is immoral to punish people for being sick – what sort of country is this coming to?
Comment by A Christian — March 23, 2012 @ 10:42 pm
Hello A Christian.
I have a sensitivity to noise myself in my left ear which comes and goes, used to get the dissiness as well, I found that the Government descriptors don’t cater for ear problems, in the new descriptors (March 2011) ears are not even mentioned at all, they just talk about communication, which covers hearing and sight etc.
Don’t be shocked if you receive zero points and told to go and sign on, appeal instead and apply for the assessment rate, get help from the welfare rights or the CAB, both have done sterling work with appeals and informing people on their rights and have experts who can help you, you can also get help in the new forum http://dwpexamination.org/ sorry to have to tell you that ATOS and the DWP don’t do human compassion, they are in a different sort of business altogether, the money business and how to take as much of it of us as possible, it’s not a case of what is this Country coming to but what this Country has become..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — March 24, 2012 @ 7:59 am
I received a letter stating I had been put on WRAG so rang up to get an explanation I was told it means I have been deemed as having a limited capability for work but that they had reasonable expectations I could return to work if I found something suitable, but if not I would not be forced to apply for jobs nor would I lose my benefit as I’m on income related ESA but I must attend interviews etc in order to receive the payments unless I was to ill to attend.
I asked how many points I’d been awarded by Atos and was told “you don’t have any points, someone will phone to explain” !
Receive voicemail later that day that says ” Hello DWP returning call a descision has not been made on your work capability assessment, you will be informed as soon as a descision is made if you need more information please call us again, but we’ve left you as voicemail as we need to talk to you ”
So again I ring back – this time to be told “I must of been assessed as iv been put in the WRAG which also means iv been point scored, yet my points where not being displayed on the screen just that I had been placed in the WRAG and had I attended any medical yet ? ”
She explained that something was definately wrong but she doesn’t know what is wrong but says if I hadn’t been assessed yet I wouldn’t of gotten a letter saying I’m in the WRAG – I asked for ATOS report on me to be posted out and she has arranged a call back for me tomorrow morning so that someone can explain what the hell is going on as iv never even been invited to attend a medical.
So iv received a letter saying I’m in ESA WRAG – then get told I havnt even been assessed yet for work capability assesment – to then find out that when I ring ESA they say they hold no information on ATOS descisions made about you or point scoring, its held by another department.
It doesn’t matter what my disability is – what matters is that the stress of the last 72hrs has made my disability kick off with me ! As I’m sure it has with many other people going through this kind of thing !
Comment by Georgie Lotte — April 3, 2012 @ 6:11 pm
Hello Georgie.
I think what’s happening is they have assessed you and decided in their wisdom you should be in the WRAG, the HCP looked at your case file and made a decision, they don’t want to put you in the support group because they want everyone in the WRAG.
Of course the lousy reputation of ATOS is so fearsome that most people are glad to be told they are entitled to ESA and just meekly accept what they say, but there are some people who have decided that they would (Yes there are others) like to see their ESA 85 and the score sheet, and you are one of them, this is causing them problems because the truth is in their arrogance they haven’t bothered to make one up for you.
Well it’s important that you get one (ESA 85 and score sheet) Georgie because in the future you may need it, and also you want to see how they can justify putting you in to the Work related activity group without even assessing you, in other words how would they know you are capable of work and not the support group if they haven’t even seen you.
And your right the stress these idiots cause is knocking folk even more ill..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — April 3, 2012 @ 8:59 pm
Hi its Georgie from last night ! The Job Centre Plus have just rang me and this is what was said “you have been assessed and a copy of ur ATOS assessment is on its way to you it was posted this morning, you will be able to access your point score also. You where placed in the WRAG based on your application to Incapacity Benefit (this was 11yrs ago, my conidition has since deteriorated) – no medical report from my GP was requested.
Without me mentioning ‘appeal’ the man said shall I get your appeal form out to you ready then as I’ll assume you will need it in preperation. To which of course I have said yes ! I did ask how much my benefit would be cut by and he said because I am on Incom Based ESA I won’t lose any money but if I get moved from WRAG to the support group then I will get backdated payments as support group are on more money.
IV spoke to 5 different people now been told 5 different stories and I believe only the last person I spoke to – the man that said I have been assessed, that I had been assessed internally which is why I wasn’t sent for a medical. That I have passed the disability part of the assesment but deemed capable of future work with their help.
That I have been point scored and my report is on its way to me, along with an appeal form.
Considering that on Friday I hadn’t even been assessed apparently they seem to of done things pretty quick ! I know I’m lucky in the sense I’m pretty savvy and won’t just take things at face value and would like to urge anyone else going through this not to give up – keep appealing – keep pushing back – the only person that can fight for you is you – keep questioning them over and over as you will be able to get the truth at some point its just like a jigsaw put the pieces together.
I will keep you all updated on my progress with the whole process from what the report says about me all the way through appeal.
Its not scary its just a long drawn out experience don’t let them frighten you. If your fighting for someone who can’t don’t give up on them either. We all need to show that we won’t take this lying down. They have caused widespread stress and humiliation in the disabled community so let’s stress them out and humiliate them by costing them hundreds of thousands of pounds in appeals ! Good Luck
Comment by constance4nastacia — April 4, 2012 @ 10:53 am
Hello Georgie.
Yes the last person you spoke to is nearer the truth, he probably can’t be bothered with the hassle anymore and has decided if he gets any calls the answer will be ”I suppose you will want an appeal form and so on ?”.
Don’t forget these people are getting this every day, but it’s their fault they created this mess, so they should take the flak and keep taking the flak until they start telling the truth to people.
Thanks for your encouragement Georgie and please do keep us updated..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — April 4, 2012 @ 12:24 pm
Hey its Georgie – said I’d keep u up to date.
I got a ESA85A in post today and it doesn’t say how many points iv been awarded ? I thought it had to tell me what I’d been scored.
It says at the top
“I am able to advise that the claimed level of disability is consistent with the evidence before me” ! And my prognosis “I advise that a return to work could be considered within 12 months”
It then goes on about what I don’t have wrong but doesn’t focus nor pay attention in the slightest to what is wrong with me. Apparently because I can reach into my top pocket I am mobile – it says that I do not suffer with ‘musculo skeletal’ yet my condition causes severe muscular skeletal pain – the evidence they have used does not address my inability to ever be able to be reliable and says my cognitive functions are not impaired. All this without meeting me once. And oh I was assessed by a ‘registered nurse’ not even all GP’s know how to handle my illness so what makes a RN qualified ? ? ?
I have my appeal form now also – but not sure what to do next as medical report doesn’t even state points I was awarded. Any help would be kindly taken thank you.
Comment by constance4nastacia — April 10, 2012 @ 11:45 pm
Call the jobcentre and ask for your score sheet, you need to know how many points you were awarded.
Comment by dwpexamination — April 11, 2012 @ 7:05 am
Morning its Georgie
Have just rang asking for my score sheet AGAIN been told someone from Preston BDC will phone me with what my score was – back to the debacle that is ESA and them not knowing their asses from their elbows.
Explained to man on phone I’d already asked for my score sheet as I’m appealing and that this was known when I rang last time – have asked for a complaints form as I am complaining about total un professional way in which iv been dealt with as iv logged every call I made and what was said in each conversation.
I will still be sending my appeal form to get the ball rolling as I can’t wait for score sheet to come out as I will go over 1 month limit to appeal and can’t be bothered with added stress of explaining it was and is their fault as to why appeal is late.
Comment by constance4nastacia — April 11, 2012 @ 8:42 am
Hi me again !
I could seriously cuss right now – first off get a call from Preston BDC who tell me they do not deal with my claim even though its them who send me letters out and whom I have to send letters to.
Eventually someone from Burnly BDC phones to tell me I don’t get awarded points as I am not a new claimant and that descision was made using my old notes from when I was on IB and also the new form I filled in for them.
I don’t know what to do now, although have posted appeal about being put in the WRAG as I know this isn’t right for me. The health assessor contradicted herslef and from what iv read knows nothing about the disability I have or wouldn’t of said the things she did.
Comment by constance4nastacia — April 11, 2012 @ 6:56 pm
Hey its Georgie
Well I sent my appeal against being put in the WRAG and guess what they are saying they never received it now There’s a shocker not ! Will be going local agency Monday for a new form and this time I’m paying to send it registered (anyone sending anything to them DO IT VIA REGISTERED MAIL its an extra sixty pence and WORTH IT) !
As for anything else I have been assessed as capable for return to work in a years time and have been sent an appointment on 25/5 to see my personal back to work advisor – I’m going to take all paperwork relating to my illness and how it affects me and let her tell me if she thinks I’ll be fixed in a year – in the meantime I am now being sent to 2 more consultants for my GP feels I have a new illness running alongside the disability I already have.
Pissed off to doom doesn’t even begin to sum up how I’m currently feeling and the stress has had me bedbound for 4 days now – the pain got so much that for the first time in 11yrs I took more than double the dose of pain meds and still got no releif.
Maybe u can help as iv not been given any points at all – iv gotten my atos medical assessment back only to be dumbfounded when I realised it was a registered nurse who did my assessment – GP’s struggle with condition I have so how on earth will a RN know how my illness affects me ?
The reason for not being point scored apparently is because I have transferred from Incapacity Benefit so therefore didn’t need point scoring (this is what iv been told) only new claimants are point scored ?
Still gona fight them tooth and nail, still gona appeal, and I intend to win.
Ps agree with ur Scroungers page (except those that have mental issues with paranoia) come and film me, I dare ya to follow me – do me the favour of following me cus all ya gona do is prove for me that iv got no chance of ever working ! Oh yes that’s right I forget u can’t come into my home to film me bedridden for wks at a time
but if I walked to corner shop I’d be classed as being mobile ! And I also agree that anyone who works for them has to be narcissitic – like the RN that said I’m fit to work – wish someone would PAY me to LIE !
Comment by constance4nastacia — April 28, 2012 @ 3:41 pm
Hello Georgie.
They are saying the reason you weren’t point scored was because you were transferred from IB to ESA and therefore don’t need to be awarded points ?, Georgie I think they are making the rules up as they go along, because I have never heard that one before, still there’s a first time for everything.
I think probably because you were placed in the WRAG of ESA without having to appeal has gave them confidence that you would be happy with that and accept your lot, because a lot of people are giving in and just accepting what the DWP are giving them, of course they will regret that decision in the future when the DWP really sink their teeth in to them believing them to be weak.
Since they say they never received your appeal submission then obviously you must have inquired in to why they are dragging their feet ? I personally don’t believe they lost it, I believe they are messing you around, because far to many letters and sick lines are going missing at the DWP it seems to be a constant occurrence and is more than a coincidence especially when you see the other side of the coin which is everything they send us we receive without problems.
The registered mail route is the way to go, even then the bastards have lost letters, I personally handed a sickline in to the Job centre and had it photocopied by them and still they said they never received it, honestly no matter how hard you tried you just couldn’t make that up..!!
Don’t forget to log in to the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org and see similar stories.
Comment by dwpexamination — April 28, 2012 @ 5:21 pm
Reading everyones comments here just mirrors what we went through with the whole Atos scam.
Sandy – we had the same experience with ICE, they took Atos/DWPs side 100%!
Brenda hickey – you must have had the same “doctor” as us for your granddaughter’s medical. You said: “I was told (very sharply)I am speaking to your granddaughter…” We had EXACTLY the same. The “doctor” barked at me “I AM SPEAKING TO YOUR HUSBAND!!!” she almost had a damn aneurysm. And why? Because my husband was struggling to remember the complicated name of his medical condition, and I said the name of it for him. That was all I said. Nothing else. We had the same as you where she glared at us like we were pieces of FILTH. It all happened almost 4 years ago but the experience lives with you forever. Well we were fighting for over 2 years after it happened and no-one would help or listen to us or believe us. We lost the case and his “indefinite” benefit forever.
Comment by Ghost — May 4, 2012 @ 4:44 pm
I have Asperger Syndrome and sleep apnea (diagnosed) which causes me to fall asleep at any time anywhere, often without knowing (often on the bus, in waiting rooms, on a chair, Etc, Etc and I cannot concentrate for long because of falling asleep), yet the report has stated that I sleep well and that I have no sleep problems, it also says that I communicate well (a total utter lie), that change doesn’t effect me (it completely determines my life with Aspergers) and even that I don’t shout (I get complaints daily and my keyworker said I even shouted in the assessment – I cannot tell when I do this). It even said that I gave adequate eye contact when my keyworker said I was looking at the ground throughout. I have limited capability with certain life skills and am vulnerable, again somehow the report knows otherwise. Even silly things like it states that I was well groomed and well presented when I hadn’t combed my hair for weeks or shaven, plus my clothes where the same for the week. I don’t eat breakfast as I’m rarely awake as I sleep excess with sleep apnea often most of the day, yet the so called medical evidence for numerous points is that I get up out of bed and make breakfast every day and apparently since a friend comes and visits me I can also communicate well. Well I even explained that I cannot use my bed due to back problems and fall alseep in a chair, yet the report still repeatedly uses the word “bed”. I was woken in the waiting room when called for the assessment by the specialist, yet apparently I showed no sign of tiredness and I can concentrate properly, even though I lost my last job because of ill health after being declared unfit by occupational health despite fighting it and even trying to go part time, also every employment I try I get complained about due to Asperger traits. My behaviour is unacceptable in the workplace, the report also states otherwise (not relevant in this section as most sections that apply to me). I was extremely stressed throughout and apparently shouted even more, yet the report says I have a normal voice and volume even though my voice drones without expression (so I’m told too). Apparently I didn’t need any prompting from my keyworker, that is a blatant lie too, is the assessor blind and deaf? The report even says that I showed no sign of stress throughout which is another blatant lie and it was really obvious, plus my blood pressure was high even though it was tested low after, again showing stress. I could continue with even more terrible mistakes, but in summary the report is like it’s for a totally different person to myself and what was said in the assessment + plus the events are totally different to the report. It was completed within 13 minutes after the assessment as it states exact times, how can that be done properly? Also it was conducted by a NURSE, not even a doctor, how can a nurse be qualified for my disability that is one of the most misunderstood disabilities? How can someone like myself who struggled with this disability throughout life me treated as a cheat? He clearly knew absolutely nothing about Asperger Syndrome as he even asked me “when did that all start then” when it’s a life long condition and he wouldn’t have make such incredible errors despite all the previous reports stating all my problems and symptoms. Apparently there is a new wonder drug that sorts out Asperger Syndrome and I must be taking it as my antidepressant is apparently treating the condition and there is now no issues regarding me in employment, that is absolutely ridiculous and so is the entire report. This person should lose his job, he is not fit to be in this position and clearly is incapable of performing any sort of proper assessment. I’m now worried that the government wants to introduce similar for DLA too. WHAT PLANET IS HE ON? IT IS NOT WORKING!
THE GOVERNMENT MUST URGENTLY DO SOMETHING AS THIS IS TOTALLY UNFAIR AND RIDICULOUS TO THE EXTREME, I feel like I’m being accused of cheating. I cannot sign on as I know I will not make it to the appointment due to sleep as I often miss appointments and fall asleep sometimes even trying to get up without knowing, I would certainly be unable of work (hence why I lost my last job) and would need lots of support if my sleep was improved due to numerous issues with Aspergers (I apparently have none according to the assessment despite effecting me all my life – I was even diagnosed autistic by the highest specialist when I was a child, now Sir Professor Rutter, yet a nurse obviously knows better). Sorry to go on, but this is partly how Aspergers works, I’m even starting to repeat myself hear (I’ve read it back and removed numerous repeats). It’s now putting me under immense stress and worry going to an appeal as if I lost this I wouldn’t be-able to do what was expected of me on JSA and I’d be punished for that, plus I wouldn’t get Aspergers support which would be scandalous, I was extremely worried anyway because Aspergers makes me worry excessively and repeat all the time (apparently not according to the assessment as I don’t have repetitive thoughts, tell that to anyone who knows me and my key-worker where I constantly go on and repeat.) I feel like getting a solicitor involves, but apparently the government want to stop legal aid for welfare benefits claims soon so you can be treated unfairly and illegally without a chance of even fighting back legally unless you have loads of money (you won’t on benefits).
Comment by Paul Carloss — May 28, 2012 @ 9:53 pm
Hello Paul.
They say all that about everyone, the appeal panels know this now, they know that ATOS are liars, so welfare rights or the CAB can help you appeal and win, that’s all we can do, at least for the moment, you can get help here to arrange and compose an appeal to get you started here http://www.dwpexamination.org and make sure you get a sickline from your GP, that is mandatory in order to get paid the assessment rate.
Comment by dwpexamination — May 29, 2012 @ 4:28 am