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When the Department of Whinging PennypinchersDWP stop your benefits after you fail ?  your medical/assessment, they do so simply because they can. There is usually no solid evidence to back up their decision and unless you are on the fiddle  you should appeal.

If you don’t appeal the DWP, their Henchmen Decision Makers and your very own smiling assassin will assume they were right and are laughing all the way to the bank as well as at you.  These people are in effect tarring every genuinely disabled and ill person in the UK with the same brush, and by doing so cant get it wrong! strange statement that isn’t it? when you think about it though, when they stop benefits automatically they must save thousands of pounds and when people don’t appeal it just encourages them. So I urge you to appeal, take it to the very limit.

Look at it this way:

Event:You ‘Fail’ a DWP medical functional assessment.

Consequences:Your benefits are stopped immediately.

Result:You don’t appeal and the DWP consider they are right and have got another scrounger back to work.

From another perspective it may look like this:

Event:You ‘Fail’ a DWP medical.

Consequences:Your benefits are stopped.

Result:You appeal against their decision, provide precise reasons why you are appealing and provide supporting evidence for your appeal. This then means someone somewhere within the annals of the DWP have to review your case, if they decide they can reverse the decision they will, and your benefits will be restored. You will also receive another summons to appear at the local DWP medical office for yet another medical.

If they can not reverse the decision someone has to take responsibility for that and if you are unlucky and the DWP still want to chance their arm they will forward your case to a tribunal. If they decide not to forward your case take it to the European court of human rights. Either way the DWP have their work cut out and that costs money, something they appear to have a lot of.

When you lodge your appeal you will have to complete and appeals form, the space provided is about the size of a 20 pack of cigarettes and will not allow you to express your self correctly. You can use additional pages, do so it is your right and begin by stating there is not enough space in the section provided.

The DWP know that psychologically you do not want to appeal, do not want to read the reasons why your benefits have been stopped and do not want to face a tribunal. They do this deliberately knowing your personal fear /initial  panic will get in the way, please note, if you are nervous or can not express yourself clearly then someone is allowed to represent you at a tribunal.

Get help with your appeal, don’t do it quickly, take your time. Start thinking about your appeal the day you receive notice your benefits have been stopped. Make notes, keep copies of any communications you receive or write, avoid direct confrontation on the telephone, remember, they record all of your calls and can produce that later as evidence.

If they call you they will have to make sure they are speaking to the correct person and will ask you to confirm your name, nino, date of birth etc, remember the Government advise us not to give personal details to telephone callers because of  the danger of identity theft. Don’t be afraid to say that and put the phone down, that forces them into a position they want to avoid, that is putting anything in writing. When they do call they will begin by saying can I speak to Mr/Mrs **** Practice saying  “Who is calling please”  Do this with every call, tell your friends you will be doing this, embed it into your memory. Its worth thinking about as they will then have to write to you, and that costs them more than a phone call. Lets make them work for our money…..

Look carefully at their reasons for stopping your benefits, challenge anything you feel is a lie, assumption, incorrect, even slightly wrong. Don’t let them frighten and bully you into claiming another benefit like jobseekers allowance, that means they win again. Bear in mind they know you are living close to the breadline and will have to do something to replace your benefits, they use your financial situation to enforce their decisions, which incidentally usually arrive the day your benefits are due to be paid so you have to go and make another claim or starve. This is a blatant abuse of their position of power don’t let them get away with it.

Don’t go overboard, be polite but firm in your appeal, remember to have a copy of your alleged medical ready along with any communications for your tribunal.


Its time we fought back people, lets make them fight us for our benefits, remember you have paid in to the system to protect you in times of need.

I’ll be back.


  1. Good luck with your appeal btw..

    Its depressing how the make people wait around 6 months usually for an appeal, thats 6 months without the usual benefits. A high majority of appeals are successful (which says a lot about the quality, or lack of, at atos medicals).

    Even the former president of the Appeals service strongly criticised the LIMA software used at medicals, but to no avail – its still in use.

    Comment by thinkpad — June 22, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

  2. Yes I agree, that is allegedly down to the number of appeals being made. If that is true then it seems to me that more people are being forced off I.B. / E.S.A. and onto other benefits. Its all part of the plan, they know you cant survive without your benefits and have to claim one of the other pittances thrown at us or starve. The instances of appeals being successful does appear to be increasing, maybe its time for action? I wonder how Mr Brown and co would react if every disabled vooter in the UK put him on the dole eh? Thank you for your good wishes I hope I am successful too.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 22, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

  3. if you are forced to claim jobseekers allowance you are signing a declaration that you are fit for work.thus they have defeated you again.

    Comment by bill — July 11, 2009 @ 10:09 pm

  4. My point exactly, they sign you off klnowing full well that you are not likely to have an alternative income and are forced to claim another form of benefit. Thus the process is not fair, they have the upper hand from the beginning and will just sign you off anyway and wait the results of a tribunal, knowing the chances are you can not live without money.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 12, 2009 @ 8:20 am

  5. The Appeal system is a scandal…

    3 scenarios… all have the following in common: “someone leaves a job because they werent paid National Minimum Wage, as left a job “voluntary” he is sanctioned for 6 months (discretionary) not fixed period like New Deal, and he appeals…”

    Case 1:
    He gives the reason as “I left the job because I wasn’t paid NMW”

    Case 2:
    He gives the reason as “I left because the job was too far away from home”

    Case 3:
    He gives the reason as “I left the job because I wasn’t paid the National Minimum Wage and also it was a bit too far from home anyway”

    Case 1 is “good cause”. Case 2 isn’t – fair enough to an extent. Case 3 *doesn’t* have “good cause” even though the first reason given has “good cause” because you specified a reason that wasn’t “good cause” you are deemed not to have good cause.


    Regarding handing it in (to avoid being lost in post or that as an excuse) my local JCP office wont sign for it… “sorry we don’t do receipts here”… “and? Theres a bit of paper write your name down and sign it..SIMPLE!”

    Comment by New Deal — September 7, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

  6. Couldnt agree more ND, none payment of minimum wage should end in the company being prosecuted and not the victim. Aas for hand delivering stuff I do so in an open envalope, ask the person to check the contents and in future will ask them to sign my little reciept book. It will be really unnerving for them and may generate a bit of a laugh for those waiting behind me.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 7, 2009 @ 6:16 pm

  7. The real reason why they wont do a receipt is they would like to remain anonymous.

    I noticed on the phone before how some staff members mumble their name while saying everything else clearly, then when you ask, some of them hang up on you – making jotting down the time and name of the person you spoke to becomes difficult. This is because it is power – if I say I rang up the BDC this morning and spoke to someone 50% of the time I would be branded a liar as I couldnt prove it and checking their phone records they aren’t going to do (the same with the CCTV, for their use and abuse only). If you can state I rang up at 10:15 and spoke to Sarah at 10:19 and the phone call lasted 7 minutes with precise details, they wotn even bother checking the details I bet but at least you are credible.

    DWP Staff like to look down on the “customers” so you being credible hurts their ego.

    Comment by New Deal — September 7, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

  8. So true, I always ask and note the name of the person I am speaking to, they also often try to confuse the issue by passing you on to someone else. This led to the development of my contact sheet, I keep them on hand by the phone and file them away once completed, its saved me a load of hassle when dealing with DWP minions.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 8, 2009 @ 9:25 am

  9. yeah they like to pass on the phone call a lot.

    I never used to make notes to phone calls but I have since decided to so it becomes more fair. I think this will help with my tribunal – their statements contradict – mine are clear precise and can’t be confused.

    Comment by New Deal — September 8, 2009 @ 12:37 pm

  10. Absoultly right my friend.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 8, 2009 @ 3:38 pm

  11. I agree with all you say but in my situation I have been forced into a corner. I have social phoia and a fear of being judged. The medical itself made my depression, stress and anxiety so bad I now have to take further meds. I became suicidal the day I got my Failed medical letter. I will now have to starve as I will never be able face another medical or assessment, I can not even leave the house to apply for a crisis loan. I have had anorexia since my teens so the only good point is that I can cope with lack of food. It seems to me that not only does the medical assessment system stink but that the way you dispute it as well. I am unable to do anything but wait to die. My social worker and mental health team tell me that his can be turned round as my medical history will prove they made a wrong decision but I would now rather die than ever claim another benefit again. Thanks for listening.

    Comment by Danielle — January 29, 2010 @ 9:08 am

  12. I think you should listen very carefully to the advice you are being given by your Social Worker and your Mental Health team. Remember, these people genuinely care about you and your well being and are your friends. Please dont do anything to harm yourself, you are too valuable for that. The system can only be changed if we highlight unfair, unreasonable and irrisponsible decisions like these. If we dont fight, they win, Please seek help with your appeal. Good luck

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 30, 2010 @ 9:14 am

  13. Hi n thx reading this helps me a little,”Depresion” i lost everythink last yr my pub,18yr relationship (he had hit the drink and also rippeed pub n me off my familyv thought i was just going mad so lost them as they took side,then partner started knocking me about then final debts among debts i got ivicted could only get a handfull of stuff due to i was homeless with a few quid n car and ice my dog …signed on but dole office said due to my state i should go sick!!!so dun as told then few weeks later had a medical with them but wen came back i had a score of 6 and sum of the questions that hadnt been filled in but also dont remeber them asking these questions …so now i have put forward a appeal,then afterwards i was told moneny had been stopped (i had a letter week b4 thats wat made me query this)To start with they couldnt help me find some where to live cos i aint on council list? then phone calls after phones n nearly2 months waiting for a crisis loan or any help n now it seams iv got to do this all again…n i realy havent got the energy…good read up n thanx loz xx ps: Sorry if this reads a bit rough but not good at this sort of thing plus there has been so much happening n going throu dole im at breaking poiunt cos if rent is stopped iv only been here near on 3months they will just kick me n my dog out n my dog is the only reason im still here xxx

    Comment by loz — February 1, 2010 @ 2:48 pm

  14. Sorry to hear you have had such a hard time. Have you contacted the local C.A.B. or your Local Authority? both should have someone who can advise you. Good Luck and thanks for sharing your story with us.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 3, 2010 @ 5:59 pm

  15. What can i say thats not been said? DWP stopped my JSA over 7 months ago and finaly i just got an appeal date in the post(March 2010)! from day one the DWP have been nothing short of making things up as they go along! from not receiving the “right of appeal” letter/s (twice?) to being very rude on the phone, to not sending me the Secretary of State’s Response of why he stopped my JSA? to failing to send letters etc, the actions of the Secretary of State (DWP) has caused hardship in more ways than one! it also had an knock on affect (local council stopped rent benefit and i have now become homeless), my point is this “something has to change” these so called human beings are bending the rules to suit their own ends!(DWP/Government)and in turn causing great harm to people who are at their lowest! i could call them everything under the sun but i wont lower myself to their level! i believe in what most poeple say on this site and on others! get help and fight them all the way! all is not lost! (even if it looks that way!) all the best…..oh love the site 10/10

    Comment by Soylent Green — February 19, 2010 @ 1:18 am

  16. I agree, now is the perfect time what with an election approaching. As I have said before, we put them in thier Ivory tower, we can also bring them crumbling to the ground. There are (according to Government figures) over 1.6 million sickness benefit claimants, ets vote for someone who is not going to take away our rights to benefits in a time of need. I saw Brown on T.V. today, begging for a second chance, begging, he’s just made himself a bloody laughing stock in my eyes and woint be getting my vote. Neither will the Tories , who incedentally employed the wanker who developed the system Labour introduced to punish disabled benefit claimants before p*^%$”%g off and joining the Tories. They are mugs, lets get rid.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 20, 2010 @ 9:47 pm

  17. Not everyone who doesn’t appeal is a scrounger, I suffer from depression and went back to work even though I was still ill (I was employed then) 2 years ago when my benefits were stopped because I didn’t know that if I appealed my benefits would be reinstated at the base rate until the Tribunal, and I couldn’t afford not to. Now I am off again having had to quit the job I did for 12 years entirely because I can’t cope, and my medical is in 3 weeks, and I know my benefits will be stopped again, but this time I WILL appeal. This insidious, EVIL practise must be stopped. I was going to vote Tory but not now, they are planning to carry this on. I can’t believe people are being treated this way!

    Comment by Jackie — March 18, 2010 @ 7:31 am

  18. I agree not everyone are scroungers and I have made an ammendment to the “a message to all scroungers” page on this blog. I agree ther is not enough information relating to what you can claim when your benefits are stopped and would be very interested to hear how you proceed in claimimng the “base rate”. Can I suggest you use the form I have produced on the Assessing ATOS page of this blog. Also use the contact form when you talk to them on the phone. I am going to use these tools at my next “Medical” and will be taking someone with me. I intend to use the information to report to the local Fire Athourity, The Health & Safety Executive, ATOS, my M.[. and may other interested party. Please give us an accurate description of the access to parking, the examination cantre conditions and your medical if you can. The more we get the better to fight ATOS nad the DWP. Remember to vote with you feet at the next Local and General election. Both the present Government and the Tories have the disabled and thier benefits in thier sights so remember, when you vote be careful of where you put your x as you may be putting an x through your benefits and your rights.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 18, 2010 @ 8:38 am

  19. Apparently from reading other Messages on other forums from those countless others persecuted by Atos and the DWP, after you’ve received your full reports you need to go to the Job Centre and ask for the GL24 Form and fill it in stating your reasons for the appeal and send it back, they then reinstate your ESA at base rate (provided you’re still supplying sick notes from your doctor) until the Tribunal. Once you have won your Tribunal they increase your ESA claim and back-date it. Thanks for the suggestions dwpexamination, I’ll certainly do that and get back to you.

    Comment by Jackie — March 18, 2010 @ 8:57 am

  20. just a word of warning to all those that pass there tribunal having just went through this myself thought i would pass it on i failed my medical as most do walking out with 0 points then lodged my appeal and waited 7 months for my tribunal went with a rep from cab with letters from my nurse and my gp stating my medical history and the fact that my condition was getting worse the tribunal decided in favor of my appeal and awarded me 15 points after me thinking all the stress was over i received a letter stating there was a mistake in the decision and it has now been overturned to the original verdict of 0 points as you can imagine im not happy and will contact cab to see where i stand with this.

    Comment by scots_stan — May 29, 2010 @ 4:42 pm

  21. My god! how can they do this?

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 30, 2010 @ 8:29 am

  22. How can they do this…?
    Easily. That’s how!
    The thing is, we ALLOW them to do this… and so much more. We allow it, they abuse us, cirle goes on and on. Unless we stop it.
    Rights are there to be taken as law.
    Let us practice our rights.
    It’s either exercise our rights or rebel.
    A revolution was mentioned somewhere…
    Let’s do something/anything/EVERYTHING to demand our rights!
    If it’s taught me anything, other than how to live on F***K ALL for a year, it’s been how to not take their bullcrap.
    Jeez, I’d tell you my story, but it’ll drain you.
    Let’s fight back… with the pen.

    Comment by Franka — June 16, 2010 @ 7:21 am

  23. Tel us your story, get it off your chest and give us yet another bit of ammo for the fight. We are all in the same boat here, we understand your frustration and we will try to support and help you where we can. Remember the old saying “A problem shared is a problem halved”, well its true, just read some of the horror stories on this site, there are alos some fine examples of eople who have been on the edge fo dispair who are now fighting back,

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 16, 2010 @ 7:52 am

  24. Okay…
    I’ll tell my story in parts, later. Must find the strength first. LOL!
    Before I do, can I ask if an appeal made through a phone call is as powerful as a written one? I’ve made written appeals in the past and they went ~ “missing”… arrived after the “closing date” ~ heard nothing back from me, so got dismissed (thanks for informing me of such, NOT!) ~ and the tricks go on and on… ARGHseholes!
    *Pardon my outbust of potty-mouth (thoughts) syndrome.

    Comment by Franka — June 16, 2010 @ 9:14 am

  25. Never heard of a telephone apeal? maybe someone else can shed light on the matter.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 17, 2010 @ 5:24 pm

  26. It’s a phone call to the DWP… only they do all the writing and send a copy of what’s written to you before you agree to sign and declare the appeal is in your own words.
    It’s for the upper class only. LOL!
    Oh come on!
    You’ve heard of lodging a complaint/appeal via phone, innit?
    Hmm… perhaps I live in a posh area of Kensington afterall…

    Comment by Franka — June 17, 2010 @ 7:01 pm

  27. I suffer from post traumatic stress dissorder,

    I was “examined” by some one who wasn’t even a doctor and “failed the examination”
    I was then forced to apply for jsa,
    They have since stop my jsa (without telling me)because “i’m not doing enough to look for work”
    I have rung them and just get passed from pillar to post, thus spending more money i dont have stuck waiting for some one to answer the phone

    Comment by RancidRich — July 3, 2010 @ 12:03 am

  28. Have you appealed? Check out our new forum at http://dwpexamination.myfreeforum.org where you will be able to read about others in similar situations and what they did to fight back.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 3, 2010 @ 12:30 am

  29. MY GOD! I will call for him- I have read so many of people and their benefits being stopped etc. I myslef have a horror story from my assessment and complaints with ATOS. I went all the way nearly a year later and its gone past the higher tier nearly killing me and my mental health worse than ever. Who are thse people that they have the rights as multi-million company to whiplash and grind sick good people into the ground. I will not stay down, the bad days are my recovery days, my good days are my fighting days-this is how i look at my days now, not for living and getting better but for fighting- fighting for the right to live as a human being-I AM A HUMAN BEING! Hear this and clear and I have said that the ATOS are as was in the war, there was an ethnic cleansing and there is one now in britain the cleansing of the system of the sickp-ATOS care not who will die. As England fought the war, i shall fight this war for my freedom to live as a human being who is sick and will remain sick untill i am freeded from the clutches of ATOS…I do not scare easily i will fight with all i have, what i do not know i will find and that is my weapon knowlege! Get Knowlege,get more and more and we will win this war together, do not lay down and take it stand up with your head held high look the Dr/ATOS in the eye and say ‘This is who I am, you will not and you cannot tell me different i will fight you all the way’!

    Comment by Sandy — July 7, 2010 @ 10:41 pm

  30. I underwent a medical examination, performed by a non English speaking “professional” (Spanish). Waited 3 hours to see her… during which time I noticed the receptionist had brought her toddler daughter along – no babysitter. (WTF?) my appointment was said to be at 2:30pm instead of their 2:15 appointed time… I waited. Sat in the waiting room with one more person waiting to see an examiner, who talked non-stop about how his dodgy knee was hurting him… only too happy to walk around and lift, bend, swap seat etc. making conversation with the receptionist and her daughter. I couldn’t even breathe! The room stunk to high heaven with sweat and other odours… I complained about my waiting time, to be told “We’re running late”.
    Saw the doctor… Examination lasted about 30 minutes.
    I had my daughter as my aid and witness – taking notes, and she was baffled by the letter I got… a week later to say I did not qualify for DLA… the examination was to determine my application for ESA!
    I appealed.
    6 pages of reasons as to why I’m appalled… Medical Examination included, not withstanding the fact that a child was on the premises…
    Got a reply today saying they have received my ‘request’ for an appeal, and are looking into it: “We are looking again at all the information that we have. If you have not heard from us within 11 weeks, please feel free to contact us”.
    Who says I am not contacting them inbetween their 11 weeks?
    I know for a fact that my last appeal did not result in such a manner…like the standard letter one gets after an appeal letter…
    Naah, this is war!
    And guess what? I’m going to win it.
    I’ve lived with my disabilities for that long, I just made-do, for the sake of my 2 kids.
    I was awarded DLA – without a medical examination… for a year – but then again I did have cancer… only to survive, without chemo… and owe the D. W(anking). P(isstakers). over £4,000.00 – let me not protest any further… my energy is too low.
    INSIST, RESIST, PERSIST = my motto!

    Comment by Franka — July 8, 2010 @ 6:25 pm

  31. 30.Hi,
    I am confused,distressed and have become increasinly depressed by the DWP and ATOS.They just seem like Bullies to my,who are wasting my time,their time and my GP’S. I had to give up work in 2004 due to increasinly bad health.I claimed nothing as I did’nt even have a proper Diagnosis.It took me almost 4 years to get one.I was diagnosed,after many tests with a condition called Fibromyalgia/Me (chronic fatigue)
    My condition has continued to deteriate.I started to receive Disabilty allowance 2 years ago,and have just been awarded this for a further 3 years,due to the letter my Proffessor wrote to them.He is the top man in my condition and says I will never work again,as my condition will never really improve only get worse and stress is so bad for me and these people continue to harass me and make me sicker.I had a home visit from Atos,and there Dr stated in his opinion I would be fit to resume work in 6 months !!! I now have them on my back again,countless worrying letters.I have had to get another letter just recently from my GP,who throughly backs me to state I will need a home visit again,I practically home bound because of my health.
    I actually spoke to Atos today !! about another appointment that they had sent me AFTER receiving my Doctors letter.They told me “their” Dr was looking in to it and I would get an answer shortly,if not I must attend !!! I dont undertand how they operate.I am under the my GP and a Professor of imunology who both agree I am unfit to work ??? yet they keep the pressure on even thoe my GP has told them that this all aids to making my health worse.I feel they are sending me mad,and I dont feel I have anywhere to turn to,and there is nothing I can do about it..
    Can anyone here advise me pleaseeee


    Comment by Gabby Hassan — July 9, 2010 @ 3:36 am

  32. ‘If they decide not to forward your case take it to the European court of human rights’.

    I have been through to higher tier have been told to contact cheif excutive at JCP????why??? Anyway i have been told everything and anything you can appeal if your refused any appeal from JCP you have been given wrong advice, if they refuse to send to appeal/ect a complaint can be made to Cheif excutive JCP-in which case there would have been a delay in getting your benefits because of this refusal, then ask for compensation on grounds of being refused for your case to be taken to tribunal.
    I have about 10 complaints with JCP and about 5 are with ICE, I am in the process of complaints of the HCP with GMC, the higher tier could not uphold the medical assessment report ESA85, on certain grounds but the main ground was supported. I was due major surgery within weeks and the HCP put back to work within three months thus my benefits were stopped and i was left with no money and 2 children!!!! this was wrong but the higher tier supported her in this, i want to see if GMC do? Advice-ger as much information as you can read anything you can on ATOS the HCP guide book for one, read al about your rights. If they provide a HCP they must provide one to suit your disability -how to do this when you send your ESA50/IB50 put a letter with this saying ‘If i am requested to attend a medical assessment- before this is to take place could you please send me details of the HCP so that i can run this through the GMC so that the HCP can be checked ot see if they are qulified to asess my certain illness/disablit. And also for that HCP to write to me and tell me on what medcial grounds i am being called for a medcial assessment, so that i can run this through the GMC and that the request for me to attend this assessment is consistent with best medcial practice.

    I know it is wrong for ATOS to use anyone(peopl are being bought from abroad to work for ATOS do you know their background?) but they have a duty to you and you health. They cannot expect anyone to do an assessment and have no rights make ATOS answer to you and you not to them. GL

    Comment by KQ — August 3, 2010 @ 7:01 am

  33. [I actually spoke to Atos today !! about another appointment that they had sent me AFTER receiving my Doctors letter.They told me “their” Dr was looking in to it and I would get an answer shortly,if not I must attend !!! I dont undertand how they operate.I am under the my GP and a Professor of imunology who both agree I am unfit to work ??? yet they keep the pressure on even thoe my GP has told them that this all aids to making my health worse.I feel they are sending me mad,and I dont feel I have anywhere to turn to,and there is nothing I can do about it..
    Can anyone here advise me pleaseeee


    Gabby do notdespair they do this to you so you break under pressure there are thousands of us out here and fighting. On the days you cannot cope rest and do somthing nice and recharge for the battle get as much information as you can for this battle and if you have a computer send and send emails to ATSO asing this and that. Do not stand still keep going dogdge everthing they throw at you using all the information you cna find to fight them. I have and i have won I am very ill and it is sad the sick have to fight when you see people who are not and lieing getting away with it and made easy for them. is been over a year since this all started I will not give up and i will not lay down I was badly hurt and my chldren because of their actions and now it is pay back time!

    Comment by KQ — August 3, 2010 @ 7:13 am

  34. Thankyou

    Comment by KQ — August 3, 2010 @ 7:13 am

    I will keep trying to defend my right to be sick,if that makes sense.I have never in my life told I cant or should’nt be sick before ATOS !!! I have worked all my life KQ.It actually hurts me that I cant work,I want to.But my Proff told me to get the idea out of my head,that I would never work as such ever again,and the only work I should be doing was trying to manage my conditions.I have written to my MP,who wrote back then has’nt bothered to write to my last e mail that I sent her,and now I have tryed my local Councillor,so still waiting for that reply.
    The trouble is KQ,I have no energy to fight ATOS,I have little energy on my good days,but all of this has made me worse,I have now started to loose my hair through the stress of it all. This is all because the DWP are paying my national insurance stamp,I’m not claiming any other unemployment benefits as my Husband works full time plus he has a part time job here helping to look after me and our household,its just so unfair.
    Thankyou for your support KQ

    Comment by Gabby Hassan — August 3, 2010 @ 7:31 pm

  35. Gabby, I understand how you might be feeling – I have Crohn’s disease and chronic fatique. The very thought of having to fight the DWP is tiring, innit?
    Don’t despair. You have us to guide you.
    Insist, resist, persist!
    I’m here if you need me.
    ~ Franka ~

    Comment by Franka — August 3, 2010 @ 7:51 pm

  36. Eventually Atos Healthcare will be brought to account it may take a while but so many organisations and claimants are coming together the scam will be revealed.Hopefully all genuine claimants who have been illegally denied benefits will be reassessed and compensated.Atos are no different to unum in the USA who defrauded their claimants and were brought to justice.Keep on appealing EVERY decision.

    Comment by anon — August 19, 2010 @ 10:45 pm

  37. My partner has recently had an operation on his shoulder and even though the doctor has signed him off and sent letters to DWP stating he can’t work due to recuperation his money has been stopped because the medical deems he had no points. none of the questions (tests) were relevant to my partner, he can do the movements they asked him too but he shouldnt be doing them and too much of those kinds of movement can undo the operation hes had and we’ll be back at square 1 ( waiting list for op number 3!)I just think the doctors letters and sick notes should be enough for them, the doctor isn’t going to lie for us. makes us just not want to bother but like you say we can’t keep letting the system “have our pants down” and let them! i’m going to appeal and make their lives hell! watch this space! :) great site, its made m,e determined to fight them! thank you.

    Comment by chaela — September 21, 2010 @ 10:15 am

  38. Thank you for your comment, please keep us informed of your progress. Why not join our sister forum at http://www.dwpexamination.org there are many more people like your partner in similar circumstances who will be willing to share thier experiences and support you in your appeal. If you read through this blog and the forum you will see we are here to support and to offer information on the underhanded processes used by the DWP and thier enforcement arm ATOS. Good luck and read on

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 21, 2010 @ 10:28 am

  39. Good Luck with your appeal,as the majority of appeals are granted I think you have a good chance.
    I am waiting to be told I am fit to return to work,and it scares the you know what out of me as I dont even have the energy to fight them,literally..I have Fibromyalgia/ME,a double whammy and my energy levels are virtually nil. I think the DWP would rather see us all go away and hang ourselves,seeing as you have to be dead to pass their stupid medicals.
    Good Luck to everyone in their battles with the DWP/ATOS

    Comment by Gabby Hassan — September 21, 2010 @ 4:37 pm

  40. You know we will support you I am sure there is a lot of information here you can make use of, there are also templates you can alter to meet your personal needs on the useful template page of our sister forum at http://www.dwpexamination.org if you cant find one that does, make a suggestion and someone will come up with something you can just alter and print off. We are here to offer information on how to fight for your rights, ATOS and the DWP hate blogs like this one as they cost the Government and their enforcement arm ATOS Origin money.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 22, 2010 @ 7:00 am

  41. This is interisting: House of Commons 12 Mar 2010 – Hansard report
    Payments to ATOS Healthcare from Sep 2009 – Feb 2010

    September: 9, 280, 154
    October: 8, 599, 235
    November: 9, 905, 895
    December: 17, 437, 105 (some party that must have been)
    January: 752, 941
    February: 9, 759, 892

    “These figures cover the total number of examinations undertaken and costs relating to written and verbal medical advice, fixed overheads, administrative costs, salaries and fees paid directly to Healthcare Professionals by Atos Healthcare, investment in new technology and other service improvements”.


    Comment by mfwuk — October 3, 2010 @ 10:51 pm

  42. When you add the cpst of appeals and tribunals up I bet it takes a healthy slice of those fees to make up the loss. Lets keep appea;ing and hit them where it hurts, in the profit margin.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 4, 2010 @ 7:32 am

  43. der sir r madam i hav an apeel on 26 oct i can not atend as the prosses as made mee ill i wood bee grateful if you coud wright to them and xplane all the trubel i hav been throw whith my outreach worker aparenly he never pass on my notes and at start again i wood just like you to let them no i do not leev the house i sufer from panik atacks and suver depeshon you ar my only hope my name thomas 296 padgate lane wa13dn pleas help mee your t keenan thank you

    Comment by thomas keenan — October 9, 2010 @ 11:14 pm

  44. You should contact your Outreach Worker immediately or your Local Authority Welfare Rights Officer at the Local Council Office or Town Hall, failing that contact the Local Citizens Advice Bureaux, they may be able to help you. Please note, I can not act on your behalf.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 10, 2010 @ 2:33 pm

  45. i need to be forearmed and being effectively immobile need to know where appeals are heard. my problem will be getting there

    Comment by peterc — October 11, 2010 @ 8:38 pm

  46. Tribunals are usually heard in a secific pre arranged location. You should receive details of your paerticular tribunal location when they write confirming date and time of youyr hearing. Evidence suggests it is always best to attend Tribunals accompanied, if you can not attend then a representitive should be there on your behalf. Best thing to do is to contact your Local Authority Welfare Rights Office or the local CAB, both organisations can offer help though can not guarantee they can attend with you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 12, 2010 @ 6:45 am

  47. I’ve started the appeal. Since DWP sent the letter stating benefit will be stopped due to medical assesment, at the beginning on sept, we have had a payment! they don’t know what they’re doing! how i’m suppost to know this system when they clearly dont – its a joke! They’re stressing me out big time. I’ll have the lot up! :(

    Comment by chaela — November 1, 2010 @ 12:18 pm

  48. Good for you, make sure you keep records of every step from now on. Also check out our sister forum ://www.dwpexamination.myfreeforum.org where you wil find many other like minded people in a similar position, plus lots of useful information.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 1, 2010 @ 7:46 pm

  49. I had a medical assessment eight weeks ago. I suffer from Bi-polar disorder. When I recived the verdict i was astounded to see that I had been awarded no points what so ever. I was truthful and honest and told them that i my worst dpressed moods I was more or less incapable of washing and dresing, much less working. But in their infinate wisdom they deemed me fit for work.
    I am appealing this decision and will keep on appealing till they acknowledge that Bi Polar and depression are in fact, ilnesses and not scroungers excuses.

    Comment by Grace Roberts — November 10, 2010 @ 5:09 pm

  50. Welcome to our blog and our growing community, this is not an uncommon occurrence with ATOS. Most people who are called in for medicals are told they are fit for work. Don’t take it personally, that’s what they want you to think. Remember you are not alone, we are here to provide information and intelligence we gather on the methods employed by the DWP and their enforcement arm ATOS. Read the blog and join our forum at http://www.dwpexamination.org where you will find other people in similar situations to your own, loads of support and further information on the tactics used by ATOS and the DWP. Please keep us posted

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 11, 2010 @ 10:23 am

  51. Atos are also employed by some employers and give medicals if someone is unable to work . It is possible that you can have a medical for you employers and be found unfit. Then when you claim esa from dwp and go for a medical Atos can find you fit by not giving you 15 points . Bizare same company

    Comment by justine — November 22, 2010 @ 4:26 pm

  52. That happened at the Post Office, a worker was found unfit for work and later fit for work by a DWP Atos HCP, the excuse given was there were 2 different medical examinations for entirely seerate purposes, just proves how corrupt they are.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 22, 2010 @ 11:57 pm

  53. hi, id just like to say what has happened to me.

    firstly, ive been on income support for 2 years now, because of my (BDD)body dysmorphic disorder ( look it up if you dont know what it is), and along with this, comes social phobia, paranoia, and depression. so, just before christmas, i had a letter saying i had to attend a medical. i didnt attend, due to my disorder……

    so then i recieved a letter asking why i didnt attend, what the reason was. my dad explained on the form, why i did not attend. a week later i recieved the letter that has ended my life at the moment, they stopped my benefits.

    so now, i have appealed, and my GP has been to see me, and also made a note on the appeal form for me. ive also been referred to a phychiritist. will this be enough to get my benefits re-instated? will i also get my benefits backdated? is that how it works? i hope so.

    ive had 2 paydays now gone by, and ive had no money. i need some money, my mam and dad are keeping me for nothing at the moment. im 20 yrs old. they are on benefits themselves and without my lodge it is hard enough…

    its pathetic, they obviously did not even care what my dad write on the first form, they just stopped my money because they could. i dont even know when ill get a reply, its been about 12 days since my dad sent the appeal form off. anyone tell me when i may recieve a reply? and what may happen?

    Comment by dean — February 2, 2011 @ 11:28 pm

  54. Have you considered asking for help fromthe CAB or your local authrity welfare rights officer? Reading your comment you sound as though your father is actin alone on your behalf. It is always wise to have help when dealing with the DWP and thier enforcement arm ATOS. I have produced a contact form on the assessing ATOS page, print this off along with the assessing atos form. Keep the contact forms near the phone and make notes of any conversations you have with either, this is important as you may need to refer back to previous calls. The assessing ATOS form can be used to carry out an assessment of the medical you receive from the ATOSSER and serves as an aid to your memory if or when you need to appeal. Ask your GP to intervene and request a home visit from ATOS too. I know its stressful, but it is always wide to challenge any decision made by ATOS as they are all suspect, 40% of appeals which reach the tribunals service are being found in favour of the appellant, this means ATOS are wrong 40% of the time. Keep us posted and feel free to join our sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org its free and you will find many people like yourself there.

    Joe’s right Amanda, don’t panic. Tell you what though, a description of the centre would be useful especially if you can tell us about the nearest parking facility. Be under no illusions when you go in, get your husband to help you by opening doors and when sitting or rising, remember you are under observation from the moment you come within sight of the building. If you are interested I have produced an assessment form you can use to remind you of the events of the day, its available on the assessing atos page. The alleged doctor will try to tell its no use taking notes as they cant be used at a tribunal, its utter bollocks and anyway they are to help you recall the events on the day. Get your husband to fill it in, word is they are terrified of it. Also if you think your doctor has not got a reasonable level of English or you cant understand him her we would like to know about that too, if they try to bully you in any way, become aggressive, or you feel their attitude was unusual then make a complaint about the doctor. ATOS hate complaints as they have to investigate them, it costs them money and keeps their admin staff busy thus hits their profit margin. We need to hit them where it hurts as they don’t care a toss about us.

    Good luck, keep us posted and a full report would be greatly appreciated, also you can join our sister forum at http://www.dwpexamination.org its free and you will find many people like yourself there.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 3, 2011 @ 9:51 am

  55. hi its me again, just thought id drop by and tell you i recieved a letter, it says this-

    i am writing about your letter appealing against a decision on your incapacity benefit.

    we will look at the decision that you have appealed against and, if appropiate, we will revise the decision in your favour. if you have further evidence which suppports your appeal please send it to us and we will consider this when we look at the decision again. if we can revise the decision in your favour, your appeal will lapse and will not be sent to the tribunals service. you can appeal against the new/revised decision if you think it is still wrong.

    of we cannot revise the decision in your favour we will send your appeal letter and papers, giving our reasons and evidence for the decision, to the tribunals service. we will send you a copy of these papers.-

    - so, how long will this take? have you got any idea? do they expect me to live on nothing while they make this decision? its been over a month now and ive had no money….

    Comment by dean — February 9, 2011 @ 5:21 am

  56. The number of appeals has a direct effect upon the time it takes to answer your appeal. I am not aware of any fixed time they have to reply, despite the time constraints they place upon us to appeal. Best thing I can suggest is to give the local JC+ a call and politely ask what stage your appeal is at. Please keep us posted of your progress.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 9, 2011 @ 8:32 am

  57. hi im back, ive been searching google and seen forums were people were saying they had to wait months and months untl they got there appeal heard and got there money.

    well, this morning, a letter came…..my appeal went in my favour!!! im so happy. after only about 2 weeks since i sent the appeal form…

    it didnt go to tribunal and they have changed there decision on the evidence i provided. :) feels good to know i won. and they were wrong.

    i aint had a payment yet though, i thnk it may be on wednesday my normal payday, hoepfully backdated money aswell ?

    so there is hope for some people to get a quick appeal sorted. cheers.

    Comment by dean — February 12, 2011 @ 4:23 pm

  58. Nice to see someone else has one there appeal Dean, but if ur lucky things will go smooth, but dont get ur hopes up at getting your money sorted too quick, i am currently struggling to get DWP to admit they have change there mind on my case and made a desicion in my favor before it has gone to appeal, but they forget i have a letter from the Tribunal Service saying that the case has lapsed due the DWP changing there minds..

    but i again i wish you luck and keep us up to date on how it works out…

    Comment by Daz — March 4, 2011 @ 2:47 am

  59. Atos so called Doctors get £76 pounds bonus for every one they knock back ?????

    Comment by Peter — May 26, 2011 @ 11:20 am

  60. I heard they are rattling through at least a dozen a day, my assessment was only 25 minutes for instance, so a dozen is easily attained.
    12 X 76 = 912 x 5 = 4560.. PLUS OVERTIME IN THERE, Well that’s well over 5 grand a week. and it’s our money these bastards are stealing.

    No wonder they can’t get us out the door fast enough to get on to their next victim. BLOODSUCKERS Help us beat them at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/index.php

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 26, 2011 @ 2:15 pm

  61. i have raynauds disease before i went on the sick i was carer which i could not do anymore i get regular treatment from doctor as well as sicknotes was in the medical for 5 mins and got knocked back
    should i appeal if so what do i need to do
    many thanks stuart

    Comment by stuart — June 6, 2011 @ 12:27 pm

  62. Hi Stuart.

    Phone up the DWP and tell them you wish to appeal and therefore would they send you through a GL 24 Form and your assessment report from ATOS healthcare (ESA 85) when you receive the ESA 85 assessment report have a look through it and see what you disagree with (There will be plenty you don’t agree with on there) then write out your appeal on the GL24 form, get yourself a piece of A4 paper as well, because there isn’t enough room on the GL 24 form to write out a full explanation.
    This is of course deliberate, they don’t tell you there isn’t enough room on there, a deliberate ploy to get you to narrow the information you give them, so make sure you expand what you wish to say on to a separate piece of paper. Also at the end of your appeal submission make sure you tell them you wish to be paid at the assessment rate, they don’t tell you that either.
    They hope you will sign on instead to get money, and then you become another figure off their books.
    Go to our sister site at http://www.dwpexamination.org and get more information.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 6, 2011 @ 3:48 pm

  63. I suffered with anxiety, depression and agoraphobia. I had not been out of my home for around 3 years except to see my doctor. I went to an ESA meeting in May and had not left my home since the previous year, (December). I scored zero points in all mental and cognitive aspects of the assessment including the ‘going out’ section. I think this whole process is terrible. Antiquated and ineffective. The so-called doctors at ATOS are not worth the time of day.

    Good luck to any and all people who have a genuine illness and who have to jump through all the necessary hoops for these bastards. To anyone who is on ESA and is capable of work; get out there and work you lazy git! You ruin it for the people with real problems.

    Comment by Anonymous — July 13, 2011 @ 11:17 am

  64. I have just won the right to appeal to the highest tribunal – after losing two appeals I took it to the upper tribunal in London.
    My advice is: NEVER, REPEAT NEVER GIVE UP!!!
    and always remember to:

    It’s their job to stop you from claiming your rights, so make it your job to make it has hard for these people as possible, I KNOW FOR A FACT IT’S COST THEM A LOT MORE MONEY TAKING MY APPEALS TO THE TOP

    Comment by victedy — July 22, 2011 @ 9:35 am

  65. Hi, I’m going through the appeal process myself now, when i spoke to A person about my right to appeal they calmly told me that once the appeal letter has been recieved that my esa will be reinstated as i have no money coming in and bills to pay and a daughter to feed i found this great news, but alas since then i have spoken to someone face2face within the powerhouse of the dwp they say it won’t be reinstated until i go for a assessment again……can anyone please advise me which is correct as i have no money coming in for god knows how long, i need to get either esa sorted or go down the route in which they want and sign onto jsa…many thanks Rich

    Comment by richy dunn — July 25, 2011 @ 12:34 pm

  66. Hi Rich.

    As I understand this, you have appealed against their decision to find you fit for work ?.
    If that is the case then you have two choices regarding money, the first as you know is to sign on for JSA, which is obviously not an option if your ill, and you have another choice, which the DWP never tell you about.
    And that is to be paid at the assessment rate, the assessment (it’s the same deal as jobseekers £65 rent rebate etc) rate is paid while waiting for the appeal to be heard.
    If you win your appeal, then all money they owe you above the assessment rate is backdated and put in to your account. If you lose your appeal then you owe nothing, and have to reapply for ESA or sign on. So it’s easy to see there is no disadvantage in appealing, If you believe you are not fit to work then you must appeal.
    Rich…do not take the DWPs advice on anything, they do not have your/our best interests at heart, rather join the forum and get support http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 25, 2011 @ 7:36 pm

  67. To the mental health people working in the UK government offices.

    I write to you because I cannot do anything because of the manner in which my mind does not work well because of the injuries the UK government caused me to suffer, and because of the difficulties I experience because of this. Please help me. What can I do? What do I do? Who can I contact? WHo do I contact?

    I suffered severe head-injury as a direct result of the government – an army coach driver could not drive! – and I am having many difficulties because of this.

    1. I was told that as my injuries were caused by the UK government I would receive a full pension for life although I have been taken from the UK to abroad because of the injuries caused by the UK government and hence my disabilities and hence my certifiecation of unfit-for-work for life and hence my mother who had made prior arrangements to retire abroad was forced to take me with her – and…due to the additional stresses and strains caused by my injuries caused by the UK government she died early – Government murderers?

    2. This was cut by the previous party many years ago and because of the difficulties I have with memory and decision making and action/reaction I have been unable to rectify this mistake that has caused me – due to the suicidal tendecies I have received fro the injuries caused by the UK government, ..wishes to often jump under the next car etc…as yet I have not acted upon these ideas… – The previous conservative party said I would have a full pension for life as the injuries I suffered were because of the uK government.

    3. My DLA was cut…although this is apparently because I have been thrust into the disabled workd by the UK government and hence my mother was forced to take me to where she had made prior arrangements to retire to SPain and hence I was forced by the UK government into becoming an expat and then robbed accordingly… Suerely as the reason for my becoming an expat being because of you, ..you cannot do this.

    4. I was forced into a head-injury induced overreaction and I threatened Gordon Brown who wanted me to suffer as he made no attempt to study relevant details when he was cutting this that and the other to put more money in his pocket, and this caused me to be arrested by the Mafia friendly Bulgarian Police – where I had gone after my mother died early due to the effects of that caused by the UK government murderers – and this arrest is actually discrimination as it was caused by the irresponsibility and ignorance of the UK government..

    5. When I came to Bulgaria I met a Bulgarian disabled lady called Stanislava and, ..things clicked…and we married. This is now failing due to the stresses and strains caused by the UK government robbery of my entitled funds and hence the manner in which I seem to approach each new day I suffer due to the UK government…I am snapping at everybody about everything as I have been disabled by the uk government and robbed by the uk government abnd abandoned by the UK government… Obviously no time limit can be placed upon this, within 1 month for example, as I have memory difficulties and decision-making difficulties and action/reaction difficulties caused by the injuries caused by the UK government.

    What can I do? The UK government owe me for the total sum of funds they have stolen from me, plus compensation for the oportunities they have stolen from me because of this robbery, and hence I have missed out on places I could have gone to….and people I could have met..and things I could have done…

    What can I do? I cannot afford a lawyer – as you refused me legal-aid as I am abroad…because of the UK government, ..and on reapplication I was refused as I have property – capital – which was brought from the money I was given because of the injuries the UK government caused me and I was told this would never be taken into account in any calculation of supposed capital I have. I want legal aid to sue the UK government for robbery of my entitled pension as I am disabled because of them and hence certified unfit-for-work for life because of them and hence I was taken abroad because of them and my mother died early because of them and hence I was forced to relocate into the cheapest country in Europe because of them and hence I met my disabled wife because of them and hence this is now failing because of them etc etc etc etc.

    I write to you because I cannot do anything because of the manner in which my mind does not work well and because of the difficulties I experience because of this. Please help me. What can I do? What do I do? Who can I contact? WHo do I contact?

    Jason Pullen NH103083d

    (The postal service does not deliver here(Email me) but my address is Complex Briz, 1 – Trakata – Varna – Bulgaria(No post code as mail does not get delivered here!)

    Comment by Jason Pullen — July 26, 2011 @ 9:45 am

  68. I was assessed and deemed fit for work despite being within three years of retirement age. The Directgov website clearly states that claims will not be reviewed if you are due to reach State Pension Age before 6 April 2014.DWP totally ignored this. They have taken my Benefit away and there is no chance that anyone would offer me a job even if I were capable of doing one. I have launched an appeal but unless and until it is successful I am left with very little to live on.

    Comment by Roger Verrall — August 5, 2011 @ 9:36 am

  69. Hello Roger.

    The DWP have been instructed by the Government to ignore everyone, this mandate which is illegal by the way is an outrage and if the people of Britain knew what they were doing they would demand acountability and transparency, perhaps even have some of these DWP/ATOS crooks up on criminal charges.
    They say that you are fit for work, but can’t tell you what kind of work you are fit to do, they say it’s a functional assessment and not a medical, but use alleged Drs and Nurses to carry out their dreadful work. and they say that if you can lift a pen or tap a keyboard you are fit to work, doesn’t matter if you have cancer or have a brain tumour, their whole remit is to throw you on to jobseekers allowance and not the ESA to help you find work as they promised.
    ATOS will tell you they are not responsible for you losing your benefits, THAT’S A LIE, they know fine well what they are doing to people, and couldn’t give a RATS ARSE whether you live or die.
    It’s good to see that you have appealed Roger and quite right too, we can offer help and support (not DWP bullshit) http://www.dwpexamination.org join us and defeat them.

    (PS) DWP bullshitting disability advising trolls like troberc from Sheffield (Yes we know about you, and we have been investigating your activities Mr disability advisor, we know about your erection problems too, yes as I said we know a lot about you, some of the Sheffield blades are going to pay you a little visit when you least expect it) are not wanted or invited…!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 5, 2011 @ 10:39 am

  70. Thank God for this site and the commenters! I’ve just received my letter saying that my request for them to look at their decision again and they repeat that they say I am fit for work. I am NOT fit for work, I’m not even fit to go to the CAB to get advice on how to fight this scum, but I absolutely refuse to sign up for JSA just to make their numbers look good. When I initially lost my job because of my condition (last June), the JobCentre advised me not to look for work until I was fully fit and ready to resume working full time (I’ve worked full time since I was 17 and I am now 40) because it would harm my employment prospects if I took a job “to get by” and my health situation wasn’t resolved. 18 months after my initial collapse (at work, as it happens) I am still no closer to getting a diagnosis let alone treatment and recuperation and it’s the best I can do to manage the pain and symptoms day by day. When I first got the letter telling me I’d “failed” my assessment at the end of July it did actually push me to the brink of suicide. I don’t intend to go there again, but it’s hard to fight isn’t it? Thank you to all the people on here who have given me strength to make an appeal and to try to get the DWP to pay what is my right to claim for.

    Comment by sterlingsop — October 1, 2011 @ 1:42 pm

  71. Cheers Sterlingsop…You can get plenty of help here as well at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org and your right it’s all about figure manipulation and improving figures, they take the money which is legally yours and give it too ATOS and co.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 2, 2011 @ 7:20 am

  72. Hang on now – I was disabled by the government, and hence certified never to work again…and hence taken abroad by my mother – who had made prior arrangements for her to retire abroad before my injuries – …and due the the additional stresses and strains caused by the severe head-injury the government caused me to suffer, she died early – UK Government murderers! – and although my pension had been cut as I was taken abroad because of them, ..after initial argument the previous Conservative Office said, as I was forced to be taken abroad because of the actions of the UK government, I would receive a FULL/uncut pension FOR LIFE… Labour, the previous Labour Office, seem to disagree with this fact and cut my pension….and I argued and argued to no avail…and then, the David Cameron office of idiots ALSO cut my DLA… If I meet him, ..what with the mental difficulties I suffer because of the UK government, ..I’ll bite his ears off! – …he’s deaf anyway!!
    I asked for legal-aid to sue them, and was refused as I am abroad, ..because of them, ..but I want to claim for the stolen funds and hence the stolen opportunities I have lost because of them… I claim, £999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999.99 for this, ..but the lawyers stupidly reject this as a mentally twisted idea – because of the UK government causing my brain-damage…hence it is in reality a VALID claim… Maybe it will scare the discriminatory idiots into doing what’s right…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVAjCaaZySs ..David Cameron is a thief…
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/09/19/cameron-s-put-the-con-back-in-conservatives-115875-21684831/ ..David Cameron is a Con man!…
    …he needs evicting from the House…

    Comment by Jason Pullen — October 2, 2011 @ 10:54 am

  73. received dla for 5 years then renewal came up in may 2011…turned down even thoguh my disability has worsened..use a wheeelchair and mobility bad..and have to have care people shopping cleaning etc doing basically everything for me..dla turned me down …reconsideration and turned down again..anyway i asked for appeal and paperwork came and my doctor has basically ruined my claim for dla…he says i have fibro and that i have severe lower back pain then in next breath he is saying my pain is ok lol…anyway i said why did he refer me to pain clinic and neuro again if i was ‘ok’.and why refer me to wheelchair servise if i was ok..the thing is we have never got on..i changed my doctor years ago to this one but he is worse..he refuses to make home visits so i have to wait until someone can take me in wheelchair..he doesnt believe i am that ill with fibro and i feel he thinks i am a malingerer.i explained on form that he didnt see me that much because i was unable to get down as he refused home visits.he is such a d**k.anyway the dla have concentrated solely on his report which i said to them was contradictory.also staed the friction between me and my doctor.my pain specilist wrote me a letter stating that i used wheelchair and that my condiion hasnt imporved and that i could move about the house but wih great difficulty.they arent seeinmg to take this into account.it makes me feel like im lieing and im a fraud.all thwe tests at neuro came back ok and nerve conduction study apart from muscle weakness and also a very low vit d count which neuro sent a letter to my doctor and said it could be reason for fibro symptoms anyway my gp has snet this to the dla cos he is too lazy to fill in forms..which makes me look like im lieing.anyway i went back for vit d tests and it has elevated to normal now i was 7.7 now im 50…and i still feel the same nothing has changed so its rubbish in my case about the vitamin d.the dla/atos have put on reasons for decison is based on doctors report and that i can do things i said i cant do! i am so angry it sadi i can cook a meal which i cant …it said i ‘prefer’ to be in a wheelchair omg…liek anyone prefers that when i was so active before…it basically says its all about choice and it isnt im so angry.has anyone else had this problem. thankyou xx dla and atos are the pits…hwy say i can do things hwen i put i cant xxxxx

    Comment by Joanne Hayes — October 5, 2011 @ 4:26 pm

  74. Hello Joanne.

    Looks like you are going to have to get rid of this twit of a GP and find another practice.
    It looks as if your GP is in full favour of the welfare reforms, and that’s becoming more common as each day goes by, you see they are starting to envisage more money for them if the NHS is (American style) privatised, and getting rid of the seriously ill and on to Job seekers allowance is in their favour. We are fighting this scourge every single day, and it’s in your interests to help, even in a small way, here at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 5, 2011 @ 5:59 pm

  75. Have just received the phone call of some snotty bint, who sounded like she took great pleasure in telling me i was fit for work, i haven’t worked since i lost my job in 2005 at the same time i quit smoking, my weight ballooned (though i was already a big fellow at 21 stone) my weight is now 25 stone due to lack of exercise, i have been suffering with chronic back pain for around 7 year, it got worse after losing my job, now my left knee is on it’s way out as well, i suffer from high blood pressure and am on 4 different tablets for that 3 of which are at maximum dosage and a week before my assessment i was diagnosed with having Type 2 Diabetes of which i am at the maximum dosage of tablets for, due to not having the Diabetes under control i regularly fall asleep in the afternoon and feel like crap for the rest of the time, i am unable to stand for no more than 4 or 5 minutes at a time and the same goes for walking, i know that all of the above is down to my weight and i have been trying my best to eat more healthily and lose weight, so far i have lost 6LB in 3 months thanks to help of Xenical, but i am in no way shape or form fit for work, instead of the pathetic little interview they give you, surely they should give you one that includes using treadmills and weights and other implements that would determine a persons fitness and ability to work. I am disgusted with the outcome of this assessment especially when i was given another 18 month of IB in January after filling out their forms, i have requested the appeal form and shall be sending this off as soon as possible. I am outraged

    Comment by Adrian Watson — October 7, 2011 @ 12:19 pm

  76. Hello Adrian.

    It’s a disgrace, the whole system is a shambles, this Government haven’t a clue, they are going to force people in to applying for jobs that don’t exist, then ban them from Job seekers allowance as a punishment. We are doing everything we can to make everyone aware, here at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org there’s good advice on how to appeal and what to do for money etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 7, 2011 @ 3:04 pm

  77. I have a very simple question that I dont seem to have found a clear answer to as of yet. I started claiming ESA some point in 2009. It wasnt until November 2010, that I had my first medical. Firstly they gave me a date which I missed due to unreliable buses. The second date they gave me was cancelled by them. They then gave me a medical in November 2010, which I failed. I then appealled this decision. I was given a appeal date for May 2011. They then asked to see my medical records and I signed a form consenting that. I was only it took them until the 8th October for them to produce my new appeal date (so essentially my first date in May was ajourned).
    What I want to know is I realise that I will get back dated pay. But I have read somewhere that its back dated to 14 weeks after I made my first claim for ESA. But that was back in 2009?
    I was under the impression I would only get back dated pay to the Medical Essesment I had in November 2010.
    Can someone confirm to me which one it is because there is a considerable diffence in the back pay figure if that is the case?
    Thank you

    Comment by Jay — October 8, 2011 @ 3:22 am

  78. Hello Jay.

    If you had received ESA up until November 2010, and that was your first medical then you are correct, you will receive all money backdated to the date they stopped your ESA.
    On the other hand if you have received nothing since those first 14 weeks in 2009, then they owe you all the way back to that date you refer to in 2009, do you follow ? you can’t claim for money already paid out between 2009 and when you received your medical.
    That’s assuming you do receive money, you haven’t made it clear when and if you received anything, for instance did you receive full ESA up until 2010 when you were assessed by ATOS ?.
    Might seem like a daft question, but it would surprise you how many people are told they are not entitled to ESA by the DWP and instead of challenging it, just accept it must be true because the DWP said so in a BIG IMPORTANT LETTER.
    So I will assume you received full ESA up until you were assessed in 2010 you were assessed by ATOS found fit for work and the DWP have told you that you are entitled to no sickness benefits whatsoever and stopped your money and therefore you have appealed, you obviously expect to win your appeal, then you will receive all money backdated to Nov 2010 less the assessment rate………You did apply for the assessment rate while you are appealing didn’t you ?. Please don’t tell me you have had no money since 2010 ?.
    Jay…you can get all the advice you need here at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org you will also see what this Government, the DWP/ATOS and just as importantly what UNUM insurance have in store for you and I very shortly.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 8, 2011 @ 11:39 am

  79. HI thanks for the prompt reply. Yes I have been recieving ESA since that time. But just not the higer end i would have started to recieve after the medical. So they would only owe the money due that is extra. I have looked around and I found I made my claim Novermber 30th 2009. And that I would recieve the difference 13/14 weeks I believe from that date of the start of the claim. So it would be back dated to February 2010 as far as I can tell?

    Comment by Jay — October 8, 2011 @ 7:06 pm

  80. Also at my Tribunal Appeal they said that I am placed in Work Related Activity Component.
    The descriptors satisfied in Schedual 2 of the ESA regulations are:

    16 (d)
    17 (c)
    18 (d)
    points total is 18

    I do not satisfy Schedual 3 and Regulation 35 does not apply.

    Now I can find 16 (d) and 17 (c)….but I could not find any 18 (d)? Nor could I find info about Regulation 35?

    Comment by Jay — October 8, 2011 @ 7:11 pm

  81. The higher end (support group) is only worth an extra £5 Jay, hardly worth bothering about, certainly not worth appealing against either.
    So you have won your appeal then and your in the WRAG, that means you will receive that backdated money, but don’t rest on your laurels Jay because unfortunately you will receive a brown envelope from ATOS shortly demanding you go for another functional assessment, and the whole rigmarole starts again, sickening I know, but that is becoming the norm from ATOS/DWP now.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 8, 2011 @ 10:26 pm

  82. Thanks for reply again. I have an ESA Booklet right here in my hands that states. £64.30 for single person over 25. After assesments etc… You money goes to £89.80 which they classify as ‘Main Phase Rate’. So are we saying this document is a lie? My brother also went from £64.30 to £89.80 only a few months ago as it runs in the family. Thats more than £5? In regards to DWP/ATOS, they can badger me as much as they wish. Until my condition is treated properly, then it will continue to go on.
    Thanks for the info

    Comment by Jay — October 9, 2011 @ 4:36 pm

  83. HI again…as I have just through the lines again on this booklet it clearly states that after the 13 week assessment period of my claim for ESA, and attending Work focused interviews my money should have gone up to the main phase at that point. Which would have been February 2010. Well it never did, go up in the first place. So I have been in £64.30 the whole time anyway since then. So that means they have been underpaying and also not going by what it says on the booklet anyway. By definition I think they have made a big mistake there, and I will be getting in touch with Welfare Rights tomorrow.

    Comment by Jay — October 9, 2011 @ 5:01 pm

  84. Cheers Jay…That’s the reason I asked to make clear, and it does look like they owe you from February 2010, as I mentioned before they will tell you nothing, you have to find out everything for yourself, and another reason for forums like this http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 9, 2011 @ 5:25 pm

  85. Indeed I couldnt agree more, and yes they have made a BIG mistake. They are so sly its unreal. Thanks alot for your assistance in helping me determine these facts.

    Comment by Jay — October 9, 2011 @ 5:27 pm

  86. As you can see then, you were being paid the assessment rate rather than the main WRAG rate of around £90 something, the support group you wish to be on is worth another fiver or so. (and don’t have to attend WFIs)

    Let me give you a piece of extra advice, if you decided to appeal for the sake of a fiver and try and get in to the support group and you find yourself confronted at the tribunal by a judge who is one of David Camerons cousins, I have to let you know that the panel have the right to refuse you ESA and downgrade you to Job seekers allowance, it’s harsh but true, so please take my advice…DO NOT APPEAL TO GET IN TO THE SUPPORT GROUP UNLESS YOU ARE 100% CONFIDENT OF WINNING, appealing and losing should not be on your radar for an extra fiver. as I said before for extra expert advice go here and learn what’s going to happen to the misinformed http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 9, 2011 @ 5:37 pm

  87. No I definitely wont be trying to appeal for Support Group. I am happy to get back into work once I am better I will be able to get on with my life. I am told that WRAG is quite different and the Advisors are more understanding, and providing you have the full backing of your doctor, its not such a harsh situation to be in. That they can contact companies that are more willing to take on people that have had mental illnesses etc… So I am more than willing to be in that eviroment if its not hostile etc…
    Once again thank you :)

    Comment by Jay — October 9, 2011 @ 5:41 pm

  88. Cheers Jay, and take care…!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 9, 2011 @ 7:39 pm

  89. hi, i went for the esa appeal on monday 17th october, and i went through all the questions with them and at the end they told me i would get a letter in the post 2 to 3 days later, they never told me after the appeal if i had won my case or not, can any one help.

    Comment by jason — October 19, 2011 @ 5:52 pm

  90. Hi Jason.

    Did you attend without representation ? that would be the reason for the result in the post, if your on your own and the result is negative then they are obviously scared to tell you to your face, hence the reason for the delay. Sometimes posted results have been positive though so don’t read to much in to it, but whatever the result is they at ATOS will be back to haunt you sooner or later, usually sooner. So click on and help protect your future here at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org
    As for the result, you will just have to wait and be patient Jason.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 19, 2011 @ 6:20 pm

  91. hi, i went with my sister, who does all the help for me, i all so went to a wellfare officer and she said it was no good anyone going with me because its me they want to talk to no one else, it was the solicitor who said they would not keep me waiting any longer and i could go it was about 16.45 when i finished my appeal,i have had i spine op thats why i am on esa, and they just take the mick with it all.
    regards jason

    Comment by jason — October 19, 2011 @ 6:36 pm

  92. Hi Jason.

    An operation on your spine ? it would be a tragedy if the panel agreed with the DWP decision maker that you were fit for work, let’s hope they see sense and do the right thing.
    As for taking the Mick, yes I have to agree with that, the whole thing is nothing but a shambles, they will probably have the cheek to put you in the WRAG as well. If you win your appeal, expect a letter from ATOS inviting you to another assessment, if you fail the appeal then you must apply for ESA again immediately, and state a worsening of your condition as the reason for re-applying.
    Good luck Jason.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 19, 2011 @ 7:19 pm

  93. hi, the op i had was i have had 3 disc removed from bottom of my spine.
    I have looked at many claims on the internet and they have wrote that the doctor give them a piece of paper which tells them if they have won or not, i was talking to someone at the appeal who went in before me and to be honest he look as if there was nothing wrong with him, but i didnt no anything about his claim and he got a piece of paper and he won his claim and he was on his own, so i just cant understand why they didnt tell me like that, i scored 6 on my medical and when i did the one on the internet i should have scored 30 at least. and thanks for all the help.

    Comment by jason — October 19, 2011 @ 9:29 pm

  94. hi

    i won my appeal they gave me 18 points, so i go in the wrag part, and will they pay me back pay aswell it was 11 months ive been waiting for this appeal.

    regards jason

    Comment by jason — October 21, 2011 @ 9:07 pm

  95. Well done Jason, remember they will be back, the reason according to them is that your health could improve over the next couple of months, so unfortunately expect a brown envelope from ATOS any time… http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 21, 2011 @ 9:57 pm

  96. I received a call this morning saying that I was fit for work, I suffer from Clinical Depression, Agoraphobia, Anxiety, Self Harm and Suicidal Ideation, I went for the medical in August, My doctor told me that he would send me a letter for a time to come see him so we could get another C.P.N and help for me, but have heard nothing from him and that was a year ago, I haven’t had any medication and I’ve been left to fend for myself, I get confused easily and can’t speak on the phone, the call today floored me, she never gave me a chance to ask anything just told me my payments would be stopped on the 9th november, and if I’m appealing I need a sick line from the 10th Nov, I was in a terrible state at the assessment, crying, shaking, I had scratched my hands raw and the blood was everywhere the Nurse guy saw all this, I could hardly speak I was stuttering and stammering, I couldn’t even sit in the waiting room with other people, the receptionist was panicking at the state I was in, and now i’m in a similar state after the call today, I don’t know what to do or where to turn, I feel suicidal, I can’t work, I can’t be around people, what do I do, where do I turn? How does all this appeal stuff work, please help. I’m in Scotland and have noone that can help me, and can’t go anywhere.

    Comment by Laura — October 25, 2011 @ 12:45 pm

  97. First of all there Laura is no need to panic, you can appeal and at the same time get what’s called the assessment rate, which is money to live on and rent and council tax paid as well.
    We can help with the appeal procedure on the forum here http://www.dwpexamination.org but first of all get what’s called a GL 24 appeal form from the JC plus and then log in to the forum and we will help.
    Thousands are appealing this dreadful assessment, it’s nothing but a joke and you are not alone I can assure you..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 25, 2011 @ 2:56 pm

  98. First of all I would like to say Thank You, your site is so helpful, I’ve been crying all day (useless person that I am), all of what you have said is so helpful, and all the people that are commenting have been great with their advice, I’m so happy to have found your page, I contacted the citizens advice and due to my circumstances their sending someone out to try to help, they have read your pages and although they cannot print anything, they agree with everything here, I still have no idea what to do at the moment or what’s going to happen, my nerves are raw, do you think they will actually send someone out to see me? I was told by them to take note of the assessment rate advice as it’s not commonly known, thank you so much, for everything x

    Comment by Laura — October 25, 2011 @ 3:08 pm

  99. If they say they will visit you I’m sure they will keep their word, don’t forget Laura the Citizens advice are choc a bloc and if you don’t get a visit then that will be the reason, I don’t know how they cope with all this nonsense they have to go through every day, it’s so unnecessary and the DWP and ATOS are to blame.
    Anyway it’s academic because we have our own unofficial citizens advice on the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org go there and get advice from people who have been there, done it read the book etc.
    As I said there is no need to panic, this is a cruel game the DWP and ATOS are playing though, they are knocking people ill with the stress and worry, this doesn’t bother the DWP one Iota and they hope you will not appeal, notice they don’t tell you that you are entitled to the assessment rate, but they do mention that Job seekers allowance is available, they hope you will just do as they say and go away sign on, help improve their figures, and leave them alone to harass some other poor bugger, well don’t give in…fight them, make every single day they go in to their horrible working environment a nightmare of paperwork, chaos and mayhem.
    Don’t forget it’s your right to appeal, they can’t stop you, they are hoping you are so ill that you just give up, I don’t know about you but if I was getting lowered in to my grave I would still find the energy to get back out of that coffin and SOCK THE BASTARDS…!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 25, 2011 @ 4:40 pm

  100. I have had a personal call after hours from James from the local CAB office, I emailed him asking if he would indeed show up and give me a house call as I have read the site information and know that this is not a normal thing they do, but he has assured me that in the next few days either he himself will be knocking on my door or another person from the office, I will wait to see what happens, I’m so tired though, tired of people judging me, and damn fed up of people thinking that they know best, I have been told to write an appeal letter, told to write it from total honesty and truthfullness and I am in the process of writing it, but I have no idea just how truthful I should be, is there anyone that I could send it to, to get their honest opinion on it? I would be willing to pass on my email address to get others opinion on my appeal letter, I will try to sock it to them, in that I promise.

    Comment by Anonymous — October 25, 2011 @ 7:58 pm

  101. sorry last comment was from me!

    Comment by Laura — October 25, 2011 @ 7:59 pm

  102. Hi Laura.

    First of all take your time in writing the appeal letter, you have a month, you can use the GL 24 form as your introduction.

    Dear Sir/Madam.

    I wish to appeal against your decision to find me fit for work, I believe my capacity for work is seriously limited etc etc etc. You can get all the rest of the details on the forum.

    As I said use the GL 24 as an introduction, the reason for this is you will notice that there is hardly any room on the GL 24 to write a proper appeal with a full explanation of your health problems, obviously this is deliberate and is a cynical attempt to try and force you to narrow the information you give them, or make you believe that a limited amount of information is fine etc.
    So the GL 24 is used as the introduction, then get yourself a blank sheet of paper and number all the descriptors that apply to you and why each descriptor is relevant to your appeal, again as I said examples are provided on the forum.
    There are plenty of people on the forum who can assist you, Nelson, Joe Blogs, Stan, Alethia, Anna and plenty of others, they have all been through the system and know all the DWPs filthy tricks through sheer experience. They can be sent a personal message through the forum if you wish to be discreet, don’t worry all your personal details are safe with them. Another thing I should mention Laura is that the British Government have no jurisdiction on our forum because our server is in Iceland where they value the truth and free speech, this means they cannot shut us up or shut us down, as far as we are concerned they can go eat chop suey, and ATOS the DWP and the British Government can also take a one fingered salute.
    All these people mentioned above have been stitched up in the past by ATOS/DWP and hate the DWP decision makers with a passion and will not be doing them any favours believe me.
    So go to the forum, read whats on there, and defend yourself and win your appeal. Good Luck.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 25, 2011 @ 8:29 pm

  103. I was told that I would not get the appeal form until the weekend, when my paperwork will be sent through with the decision notice, I did ask this morning what I had failed on and was told I would have to wait until the paperwork was issued, that is about the only question on my behalf that I managed to get in before she hung up on me, I did register on the blacktriangle site but it will take me a while to figure it out, I have read many posts from Nelson and others that have helped, Can I ask though, does the Atos people have a right to ask deeply personal questions and expect a legitimate answer, I was asked at my last assessment “Why I felt the need to go ahead with a ” as they put it” “rape category baby” and why I felt that the pregnancy should have continued, to me this is a personal issue and should not have been deemed viable in a 10 minute session with a complete stranger that has no idea who the hell I am…..

    Comment by Laura — October 25, 2011 @ 9:46 pm

  104. I am sorry I posted the latter bit as I guess I have hit the anger bit tonight, today I have been through so many emotions over the years that anger has never ever come into it, I apologise x

    Comment by Laura — October 25, 2011 @ 9:53 pm

  105. You will receive the ESA 85 (I’m presuming it’s ESA) and the GL 24 next week ? that’s fine and gives you time to read up on the forum, speak to the CAB, and think on what you will write on the appeal etc.
    I don’t know about your personal issues Laura, the best people to talk that over with when your ready is Alethia and Anna who will understand woman’s issues, all I can say is they (ATOS/DWP) don’t have the right to ask deeply personal questions but they are a law unto themselves and believe they can write, do and say what they like, that is just one of the things that ATOS/DWP does that we are trying to stop, this unwarranted intrusion in to peoples private lives.
    I can suggest something, you say you are in Scotland ? then if you are near Glasgow or Edinburgh they have welfare rights departments and can help with representing you at the tribunal, you can also get legal aid for help with a medical report from your GP, that will help you at the tribunal as well, speak to the CAB officer about that when he arrives to see you. Meanwhile you can relax because there’s not a lot the DWP can do to you now, once the appeal is in you just wait for the appeal date etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 25, 2011 @ 10:21 pm

  106. HOLD! – What’s happening?
    The Government are supposed to committed to providing a good manner for which people, ..even us disabled, can exist. David Cameron is now providing what he must consider necessary assistance to people outside the duty-relevant areas of the UK – To Pakistan!
    What?..Is he mad?
    England has adequate difficulties that would be greatly assisted with the money he is wasting outside England.
    The poor, ..the disabled…the unemployed…those in need of help are purposely being shunned by the idiot supposedly in office to assist England.
    Why was he voted in? Why did he promise that the poor and needy had no need to fear should he take office?
    Why?, ..because he is a liar! England is being controlled badly by a fraudulent idiot. If the people join together and demand that he is removed we can rid ourselves of the stupidities he is committing. Although we must place another ‘individual’ to control what the public could control correctly – we do not eed a single person to make decisions, ..we need the majority to agree on what ‘we should do, ..where we should go, ..what must be done’ etc.
    Vote to remove him from office – we can do a better job! Always the majority decision is correct, (the vast majority of the time,) yet now we are controlled by the advice of many, ..but the decision of ’1.’
    This is wrong. Let us demand that he is remove – he needs a session in Broadmoor to ascertain his difficulties!
    ‘My name is David Cameron, ..I know England has lots of problems, ..but I will help the people in Pakistan(..I like a good curry!)’

    Comment by Jason Pullen — October 26, 2011 @ 3:00 pm

  107. And don’t forget Cameron can rustle up 11 Billion pounds to send to Africa, and his side kick Clegg can find 5 Million to help out small businesses in Egypt.
    And these Lib-Dem Tory idiots voted for that…………………….Unbelievable.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 26, 2011 @ 3:14 pm

  108. Hey, ..I just saw that if the majority of the House Of Commons give him a Vote-of-no-confidence he must resign!
    Quick! I’ll get the e-add! Hold on!

    Ok, here it is!


    If we all ‘demand’ that he is given a vote of no confidence – 2 minutes work..come on now! – England will become a better place!
    David Cameron will find more fame though, ..in the history books – ‘The Man who reaped Havoc in what once was called GREAT Britain…’
    …Ah Oh! – looks like David’s out to get us! Read on…
    ..a report from the Telegraph newspaper..
    ‘The history of British India will serve David Cameron well – as long as he doesn’t go on about it’
    By Will Heaven World Last updated: July 28th, 2010
    41 Comments Comment on this article

    The PM and business leaders board a plane to Bangalore (Photo: PA)
    The Prime Minister has been swotting up on his Eastern history. In Turkey yesterday, he spoke of William Harborne’s journey there on behalf of Elizabeth I. “As a nation we sought the opportunity for our merchants to trade. More than 400 years on, I follow him… at least in part for the same reason.”
    Lovely. But I hope Mr Cameron knows that if he tries that rhetoric in India, he’ll bomb. Where would you start? With the philandering shag-hounds of the East India Company? And then onto the Jallianwallah Bagh massacre via the Great Bengal Famine of 1770?
    No: Indians are fiercely proud of their independence. And they don’t regard the history of British India with much fondness. I remember climbing into a taxi at Delhi airport a couple of years ago to be met with a tirade of jabbered Panjabi from my Sikh driver. “Bloody hell,” I realised about ten minutes into the journey, “you’re talking about the Kohinoor diamond.”
    There are exceptions, of course. An Anglo-Indian (his name was the almost preposterous Clifton Brown) once approached me in Delhi’s Connaught Place to – quite literally – shake my hand for being British. “Look around,” he said, gesturing grandly at the marble columns. “You built all this.” (I suppose he was right, in the same way that the Pharaohs built the pyramids.) Another encounter, this time outside a Catholic Church in Udaipur, was not dissimilar. I was told by an old man: “When the British were here, William, this place was Heaven. Now it is Hell.” Corruption, it transpired, was the source of his bitterness.
    But as the Prime Minister knows, these nostalgic old men don’t represent India’s future. Mihir Bose noted in his excellent essay in yesterday’s Independent that 70 per cent of Indians are now aged under 35. And these – as well as more hostile Indian politicians – are the constituency David Cameron and his planeload of business chiefs must attempt to woo.
    Their sharpest tool will be the English language, which we have in common with the Indian middle classes – those hundreds of millions with Western tastes and, increasingly, the disposable incomes to indulge them. Just as a German will converse with an Italian in English, so a Tamil man – if he has to speak to someone from Gujarat – will do the same. This is one relic of British India that Cameron will find extremely useful. (Another is cricket – and if the PM hasn’t been brushing up on that, he’s missed a trick.)
    On the FT’s Westminster blog, Alex Barker has fun list of five Indian “elephant traps” that the British mission should watch out for. They include poverty and Kashmir. Just don’t mention them, Alex advises. I would add one more: for God’s sake don’t talk about the British Raj, and you might even reap the benefits of its legacy.

    Comment by Jason Pullen — October 26, 2011 @ 3:24 pm

  109. …maybe his real name is Djanski Kalim….and he bleached is skin to come here!

    Comment by Jason Pullen — October 26, 2011 @ 3:28 pm

  110. And don’t forget Cameron can rustle up 11 Billion pounds to send to Africa, and his side kick Clegg can find 5 Million to help out small businesses in Egypt.
    And these Lib-Dem Tory idiots voted for that……………………unbelievable.

    Comment by ..another victim — October 26, 2011 @ 3:42 pm

  111. I have been on incapacity benefit for 9 years and every year i have been called to one of their assessments and passed and this year i have failed and have been signed off with 2 weeks notice . When i was 6 i was abused by my grandad till i was 11 and my family found out and family friends but no one ever bothered me with it and i got on with my life happy and worked all of my life till one day when i was at work people started talking about abuse and i got parranoid that they wer chatting about me so i had a break down and went on the sick and i have got worse and stay in my home and do everything online so i dont have to go out . I dont no wer to go from here as they are really haveing me on saying they have sent an appeal letter out so i mail to say ive not recieved it and they say they have sent another but i still havent recieved one . I really cant fight anymore and i dont want to live anymore as i cannot deal with the thought of another assessment or being unable to pay my bills. Im so sorry for going on i just hope they get what they disrve one day .

    Comment by amanda — November 2, 2011 @ 9:14 pm

  112. Hello Amanda.

    It might be better if you got someone to drop in to the job centre (if you can’t go yourself) and picked up a GL 24 form and started your appeal as soon as possible, we can help with the appeal here at the forum, just pick a username and log in http://www.dwpexamination.org the GL 24 form is the form they issue to claimants who wish to appeal.
    Also make sure you receive the medical report, you get that from the DWP as well and is called the ESA 85 report, once you have done that you can start your appeal.
    When you appeal using the GL 24 you can write in there that you wish to be paid the assessment rate while waiting for the appeal to be heard, you also need the ESA 85 so that you know what you are appealing against, and which descriptors that apply to you etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 2, 2011 @ 11:00 pm

  113. i live in spain and applied for attendance allowance but because i did not live in UK for 25 weeks before applying it has been refused i have appealed and been to tribunal and still it is refused. i am now appealing to the upper tribunal and asked for statement of reasons. ii was living in Uk but because of major back problems which the NHS would not do for me i was forced to join the state health service in spain and within one month admitted to hospital for a laminectomy but unfortunately due to the length of time with my back problems i developed a very severeneuropathy of the feet and hands and my walking and balance is badly affected. since this time i have now five major health issues and still under the care of tthree consultants here in spain. my health has prevented me from going back to uk. though i did go back last week to the tribunal. when i got there the person from works pensiohns failed or did not bother to turn up and therefore the judge (solicitor) had to deal with my tribunal alone. i am determined to fight this uder the european cout of human rights if it goe that far and i think it will but will need ome help when tendering my appeal to the upper tribunal and there i no way i can afford to employ a solicitor. can anyone give me any help or direct me to a web site which would help me. i would be extremely grateful. it has taken TWO YEARS to get this far and i am not giving up thank you maureen price

    Comment by maureen price — November 3, 2011 @ 3:11 pm

  114. It’s a sticky situation you are in Maureen when you can’t come here in person, and you are correct an appeal to the upper tribunal has to be done in a professional manner to have any chance of success, can I suggest you contact the Citizens advice bureau here in the UK preferably where you used to live.
    They may be able to help with good advice on who else to contact, it’s imperative you get some kind of help to appeal to the second tier, which you must do first, then if that fails there are other hurdles, you must jump each hoop in turn before you go anywhere near the European human rights, as you can see it’s all designed to wear you down and put you off, you sound like the kind of person who doesn’t get put off easily though.
    Let us know how you get on, and good luck.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 3, 2011 @ 4:03 pm

  115. HI – new to this site. Just received my dreaded brown envelope today – nil point ! I had been naive enough to hold out a glimmer of hope as the “nurse” seemed really nice and understanding – lol !!! I suffer from chronic depression/anxiety as well as high blood pressure, spondylosis, hiatus hernas and knee/hip arthritis. I have worked all my life and this is my first ever time claiming benefits. I was called to a medical after only 3 months on esa.. I am awaiting an appointment with a psychiatric nurse but due to cutbacks, waiting lists etc – this will not happen before January next year. I explained all this on my form and said that I was hoping to return to work after I received the help that I need. I was therefore hoping to be put in the WRAG group with a 6 month time limit to allow me time to get better. But they can’t even give me that much !!! I am angrier than I have ever been and will not be letting this go. I called DWP straight after getting the fail letter and to their credit, the person I spoke to advised me to appeal and to do so as soon as possible. I then asked her for a copy of my ATOS assessment – she said she would forward my request and that I would receive a callback within 3 hours regarding this. I got a call within an hour and was told my report would be sent out but she couldn’t say when I would get it, as that would depend on Royal Mail – well they haven’t had a problem getting any of their other letters to me so that seemed a bit strange ! This lady also advised me to get my appeal in as soon as possible. We have a month to appeal – why are they emphasisiing that I get it in as soon as possible ?

    Comment by itsnotfairisit? — November 9, 2011 @ 8:06 pm

  116. Par for the course and nothing shocking there, we have seen it all, anyway you should win your appeal, you can get all the help you need here http://www.dwpexamination.org just pick a user name and log in and ask any questions you like.
    The reason she says get your appeal in less than a month is because that’s what they mean a month, not a month and an extra day, they can be strict if you don’t have good reason, but don’t worry because a month is a long time and more than enough to compose an appeal.
    I have to tell you that it is not a medical according to them, it is a functional assessment so highlighting the descriptors and how they relate to your capacity to work is the way to go and will help you win the appeal, the descriptors are everything not how unwell you are. I know it’s crazy but take it from me it’s true.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 9, 2011 @ 8:34 pm

  117. Hi have just been reading some of the posts on here and was wondering if you would be able to give me any advice.
    I am acting as a representative on behalf of someone else who has had their income support benefit stopped altogether, this as they state she is longer eligible to quality for the benefit, this is not the case and I have vehemently defended this with legal documentation amongst other things.
    It has been registered as a valid appeal but since have the documentation for a month now, I was told in the last few days that it can take up to 6 months for a decision to be made. Is this correct and if so is there anything that can be done to bring this forward, I have spoken with the local mp who have advised that they will be doing a letter of representation on the claimants behalf as they do not believe 6 months to be an acceptable time frame. I will also be speaking with a mental health organisation for further advice, the claimant in question only currently receives approximately £240 a month, out of which, utility bills, food and grount rent have to be paid for, they are not fit for work and havent been for the last 15 years or so due to mental health problems.
    Surely they do not believe living on this amount alone to be acceptable. She is starving herself and not putting the heating on in fear of what the cost will be. Can you offer any advice on this matter.

    Comment by Anonymous — November 22, 2011 @ 10:52 am

  118. I have to assume she has had a functional assessment by ATOS, and they have told the DWP that she is fit for work ?.
    and that is why she is appealing ? if that’s the case then waiting for the appeal to be heard can take more than six months.
    I also have to assume she is receiving the assessment rate which is just over £240 a month, but she could get help with rent and council tax, it’s amazing how many people are totally unaware to what this Government are doing, you ask surely they don’t expect one to live on this ?
    No…they expect one to live on nothing, they actually think £240 odds is over generous. There has been 15 known deaths so far because of this Governments policies and things don’t look as if they are going to get better.

    There is a massive welfare revolution sweeping the Country which is going to affect everyone shortly, and it’s sad to see that people are just beginning to realise this only now, this abuse of peoples rights has been going on for a few years now, covered up by the press.

    We are making folk aware of what’s going on and trying to help them here http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 22, 2011 @ 11:14 am

  119. I had a medical the end of October (my last one was in 2007). I suffer with Fibromyalgia and each day is different struggle especially as I am a single mum of a 2 yr old. Anyway, I had a letter through telling me that I am no longer eligible for ESA!! Now, in 2007 I was told by the Job Centre that no employer would have me because I would be a health and safety risk … Also that same year I had my first medical. The Dr. told me that in his eyes I was not remotely fit for work. Now, this medical recently, I am not sure what was said, but it was a nurse doing it. She made me do things that caused me alot of pain afterwards. I am constantly worn out as well, which does not help. Yet, they still seem to think that I am fit for work (?)!!

    I am going to see my G.P and have a word there and then appeal. These people are not getting away with this at all. These people are making others lives a misery and it is not fair!

    Comment by Dmitria Petrova — November 25, 2011 @ 12:21 am

  120. hi i am in reciept of d.l.a high rate for the day n nite for life due to the changes im been resent 4 medical etc however, im sure i was told if u are given the benifit 4 life they are not suposed 2 reasses u for work etc is this true thanx

    Comment by Linda Kathleen Briggs — November 26, 2011 @ 1:43 pm

  121. Hello Linda.
    Unfortunately a lot of people are still under the impression that a certain benefit was for life, I warn them that the brown one is coming, but they laughed, they are not laughing now I can assure you.
    The goalposts keep getting changed, the Government are desperate to get that money of you, and they can do as they please, if they want to invite you for an assessment via ATOS healthscare then you have to go or suffer benefit withdrawal.
    I can suggest, just go and take the test and if it’s not in your favour then appeal. we can help you here http://www.dwpexamination.org and so can your local welfare rights office.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 26, 2011 @ 2:09 pm

  122. yes i agree – was there 2day the fucking ginger cow sitting there with a grin on her face every time i was answering a question

    Comment by darren — November 29, 2011 @ 3:01 pm

  123. Darren…They obviously think it’s funny, they know their stupid erroneous decisions are causing shear hardship and poverty, perhaps it was a grin to try and mask her embarrassment ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 29, 2011 @ 4:07 pm

  124. I was forced back onto JSA after a failed appeal. I have inflammatory arthritis in both knees and severe depression/anxiety and am quite incapable if work at the moment. I barely function. I am scared of reapplying for ESA and having to go through the whole process again. ATOS are liars, my GP was no support, my local citizens advice and help with the appeal from another organisation really got me nowhere. I feel helpless and despairing.

    Comment by Caroline Davison — December 5, 2011 @ 10:01 am

  125. Hello Caroline.

    To win an appeal the presentation has to relate to the descriptors, how your condition affects your ability to function in the workplace, and I suspect you possibly filled in the ESA 50 form as if your arthritis problem was on a good day, that isn’t a good idea, better to get it across your problems on your worst day.
    You can re-apply for ESA you have nothing to lose.
    Could you pick a user name and log in to the forum below, where you will get lots of help..!!


    Comment by dwpexamination — December 5, 2011 @ 11:14 am

  126. Just a follow up to let you know what’s been happening, I lodged my appeal paperwork with the help of Citizens advice on the 21st Nov and after not having any money since the 9th Nov they finally sent me a payment of £135 a fortnight and have cut my Housing benefit by £81 as a private tenant I have to pay the excess from my own money so I’m left with £30 a month to live on, but at least it’s something. I’m guessing it’s now a waiting game to see what happens, I’m still a month behind on my rent and have contacted the office to see if I’ll be getting it backdated, not that it’ll keep my landlord happy but I’ll have to just wait it out, The Citizens Advice for my are is inundated with ATOS Appeals I met a few people going through the same thing as me ( I had to go to the office as they were so busy) I thought I was bad, but to see these poor people and the agony they were in reaching out for help was heartbreaking, How can ATOS Do this to us, How Dare they!, I will fight this to the last breath I take, Thank You so much for your page, I have put a lot of people onto it, so they can get the help they so much need.

    Comment by Laura — December 21, 2011 @ 6:57 pm

  127. Hello Laura.

    They are doing this to everyone it’s an absolute disgrace, they are trying to force everyone of ESA and DLA and on to Job seekers allowance (some people, a lot… have actually committed suicide but this Government are covering it up), and the long wait for an appeal on reduced money is one of their tactics, so much for we are all in it together.
    Well there is the forum you can join http://www.dwpexamination.org on there we are doing everything we can to combat these bastards.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 21, 2011 @ 7:34 pm

  128. UK government murderers!
    So, ….we must MUST RIOT and reply accordingly!

    Comment by Jason — December 22, 2011 @ 12:44 pm

  129. Excellent article, and some really good practical advice here, thank you!

    Comment by Anonymous — December 27, 2011 @ 10:53 am

  130. Im paetilly sighted using screen readers readerz fir this site and windows software to know the comments SAID and suffer with Diabeties Type 1 insulin dependent I have been Told i indefinate with DLA but low rate which is not much But They have placed me INto WRAG with interviews for ESA i cannot sometimes get out of bed BECAUSE OF HYPOS and the limited sight problem does not help…..I am appealing this decision because i had no medical but what can a blind/PRT sIGHTEDPERSON DO (i HAVE CATARACTS IN BOTH EYES HAVE NO MORE DOCTORS INVOLVED WITH ME DUE TO RETINA OF EYES FAILING) YET IM BEING FORCED BACK 2 WRK AND I get no help from GP or anyone….help needed ASAP pleasz

    Comment by andy78@ntlworld.com — January 1, 2012 @ 9:08 am

  131. Hello Andy.

    They have put you in the wrag without a medical, they know you can’t work it’s impossible, so the worst that will happen is an interview at the Job centre and since you are of no use to them as far as work is concerned then a return interview by a work focused advisor would be fruitless.
    The whole idea of placing us/you in the WRAG is to save them a couple of quid, (Support group is only an extra £5) and of course gives them an excuse to stop your DLA.
    The best thing to do is what you are doing which is to appeal and get help from your local welfare rights office or CAB, you can also get help here at the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org the fact that they have conceded that you are ill enough not to even have a face to face medical/functional assessment will stand strongly in your favour at an appeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 1, 2012 @ 10:54 am

  132. Nice to see others having the same problem ( Well not nice if you get my drift ) won my appeal for ESA in June 2011, phone call today medical 25/01/12 bang on 6 months to the date give or take a day or three.

    Got 0 on my 1st trip to ATOS, on appeal 18.

    So expect the same out come which is very annoying as i not seem my PA re getting back into work which is what i want to do, when i’m better, but how to i get better when every 6 months i have to do this?

    I have anxiety, which effects me daily, i take anti-Ds for it and have done for 2 years more or less now.

    Just getting my appeal letter out and will read up on it :-)

    Comment by fightorflightff — January 11, 2012 @ 6:13 pm

  133. Hi fight or flight.

    Well there’s no point in worrying about it, just do what I do and take what’s coming to you and appeal and win, at least you have some experience and know more than the last time, the fact you won the last appeal will help your next appeal if you slyly let the next appeal panel know.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 11, 2012 @ 8:20 pm

  134. Hiya

    Yes i know there’s no point worrying i’m more annoyed as the drop in monies is a pain, and the fact that a ATOS boffin will yet again make my life harder, i already have my appeal ready re only seen my PA once and one call in December, and she was ment to ring me being of January and me to go in ( Not happened yet )

    I will be taking my appeal paper’s in to the ATOS one and ask how can thing of change that much in 6 months when i have had no help? ( Maybe not the best move as they will use it against me in some factor in my medical no doubt )

    Also re my 1st appeal i score 17c- 6 19c- 6 21f- 6 i can only find the first one can any one help re the other two please? ( In the mental section )

    Comment by fightorflightff — January 12, 2012 @ 8:30 am

  135. I have fibromyalgia, I scored 6 points in June, and they stopped my ESA I won that round and since then have been recieving 94.25. December they called me back for another assessment and was scored 0 points money stopped again just before Xmas. I am apealing apain. The medication I take effects my eyes, I cant concentrate for long, my memory is terrible not to mention constant pain. I am housebound. In bed early every night , had to turn my heating off as cant afford the bill. Friends rally round and help me with things i cant do. I have serious problems with bladder control and the ATOS nurse told me i should wear pads as wetting yourself doesnt constitute not being able to work! also my eye problems she threatened to tell dvla i am not fit to drive! Is this in their power? Does anyone know how to pass this to the european human rights court? I am at my wits end!

    Comment by nicky — January 12, 2012 @ 1:51 pm

  136. You will just win your appeal again, that’s about all that you can do, since it is a functional assessment and you are not there to be treated for any health problems you may have then it’s difficult to see how she can advise on medical problems as if she were your DR, as far as reporting you to the DVLA is concerned well…anyone can report anyone to the DVLA, if that happens to you then you may need to show that your eye problem does not affect your driving, how long does the medication affect your eyes for ? I mean no one in their right mind is going to drive blind are they…!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 12, 2012 @ 4:32 pm

  137. I have been Dignosed with Chronic Hydrocephaluas [My ventricles are 3/4 bigger then normule with no known cause] and also have learning difficulties which i have had from Birth I have had the Surgery ETV on the 27/10/2011 then has a medical assessment on the 23/11/11 which i scored 12 Points at My Medical They did not write down everything that i have said i had my Brother and My Brothers girlfriend with me at the time.

    They were treating me like i was at the police stattion twisting my words around but it never worked i kept repeating myself over them i got 12 Points for Needs help if i am in an unfamiler place and the other 6 Points for speaking to strangers in an unfamiler place but they have not included that i rely on my family for cooking and other things as i find it really difficult to learn new complexed tasks i nearly burnt down the house when my mom tryed teaching me

    Also go to my Docters to ask for a sick note they will not supply me with one they are being a bit stipid so i have written a letter to my Nerio Surgoen who i see in birmingham to explain my situration to see if i can get a letter or some sort to support my apeal so i can still get the base rate while i am waiting for my apeal as i have no money what so ever elso

    I have to keep going to birmingham hosptail for Check ups and MRI Scans to make sure my Treatment is still working

    I am about to Apeal This as i feel it was wrong

    Comment by colin — January 15, 2012 @ 12:31 pm

  138. Hello Colin.

    You should appeal because you’re chances of winning are very high especially with some support from the neuro surgeon, you have twelve points to start which is more than most people at an appeal, the average points people are going in with at these appeals is zero.
    If your GP will not even grant you a sick line even though he knows you are ill then maybe it’s about time you left, there must be plenty of other GP surgery’s you can go too, don’t forget if you go to a new surgery they will give you a full check up if you request a written report.
    Don’t worry to much about the ATOS HCPs lies in their report, it’s normal to see the most utter rubbish written on these reports, we have all been there and seen them, and so have the appeal panels.
    What are you doing for money while you wait for the appeal ?, because the DWP will refuse to pay you the assessment rate without a sick line from the hospital or your GP, this means if you have no monetary resources then signing on may be your only option to get some cash to live on.
    Please let us know how you get on ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 15, 2012 @ 3:21 pm

  139. I have got an Appointment at the Citzens advise on Friday the 27th at 9.30am so they will be able to help me with the Apeal

    I am Due to get paid the basic rate of 106.40 aprox on this friday My Mom has rang them up to tell them we want to apeal will i get paid friday or Not I had My Letter Saying i cant get in on Friday The 13th bad luck day

    If Not What is the best thing i can do to get the basic rate while my apeal is getting looked into My Apeal will Likey be sent off on the 27th this mouth when iv seen Citzerns Advisa

    If i dont get paid before the 31st i am in troable as i have a capped contract phone and broadband which is 56.80 i have got to pay on the 31st

    I was relying on the Basic payment this week to put it up for the 31st

    Any advise?

    Comment by colin — January 15, 2012 @ 4:24 pm

  140. Hello Colin.

    If you are due this friday then it should be there, but I can tell you this from my own experience, just because the DWP say it will be there doesn’t mean to say it will be, they are the most incompetent Government organisation known to man, losing sick lines, money into the wrong account, claiming they never recieved such and such a letter, saying they have paid you and when you get there and check your account well you know the rest, I myself have a letter here saying they have paid backdated money in, and when I got there well you know the rest of that as well.
    Trust in god but keep the gunpowder dry is the old saying and that applies to the DWP more than it applies to anything else that crawled on gods earth.
    As far as the assessment rate is concerned as far as I know they will pay you nothing, not a penny until you supply a sick line, they don’t do sympathy and they don’t give a rats ass if you starve, sorry if that sounds direct but I don’t want to give you any false hopes or bullshit.
    The whole idea is to browbeat and bully us until they get what they want which is for us all to quit sickness benfits and sign on, whether you do or not is up to you, but I was lucky and got a line so I haven’t had to face that particular challenge yet.
    All I can say is if it was a case of starving or signing on then as far as I can see there would be no choice, you may have a chance if you get another GP as quickly as possible make an appointment ask for a line as well as a medical report and if all goes to plan then you can stick a backdated line in, I have done the backdated line (6 weeks) and the DWP paid me, so don’t dither don’t mess around, make up your mind and do it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 15, 2012 @ 4:59 pm

  141. Hi have been reading the horror stories on this site and cant believe the way people are been treated.I Have just received my medial from ATOS and according to them i have received “0″ Points as i suffer from depression and suicidal and a danger being among other people as well as a few more problemsi have beeen to 2 medicals in the past over 10 years and passed both after going to a trbunal this time i dont know wether to appeal or not.I Am married with a wife who is on dla and also have a 10 year son and have been told my benefits will stop and if i dont appeal i will need to apply for jsa.Can you tell me what benefits are stopped if i appeal i get income support and have been getting this for 10 years and also get my mortgage payments interest payed £80 PER MONTHr on (SMI) IF i register for JSA will i get income based jsa as this covers SMI payments and also if it is a new claim can only get SMI for two years and then you go into payment arrears .my questions are
    (1) if i appeal what benefits will stop and will i be entitled to anything to live on.
    (2) i f i register for JSA Will previous Mortgage Interset SMI payments continue or will it be a new claim and after two years will be flung out my house
    Could do with some help like most of the people on this site.
    Many Thanks…

    Comment by robert — January 15, 2012 @ 5:42 pm

  142. Hello Robert.

    Your case is very complicated and an appointment as soon as possible with your local welfare rights or Citizens advice would be in your own best interests and you should arrange it as soon as possible.
    I do know that if you appeal against their decision finding you fit for work then you are entitled to at least the assessment rate, this assessment rate as they call it is the same basic deal as Job seekers allowance, money, rent rebates, help with mortgage, council tax rebates etc, it’s just that everything seems to be reduced on JSA.
    So you will not be any worse of than an unemployed person on Job seekers allowance, they’re only stipulation as opposed to JSA is that you need to send them in a sick line on a regular basis until your appeal is heard, incidentally when you do win your appeal all money they owe you is backdated to the date the DWP erroneously found you fit for work less of course the assessment rate they paid you.
    If you sign on for Job seekers you will not be any better off financially and since you have serious health problems then that doesn’t look like an option you would be likely to consider.

    Make an appointment with your local CAB or resource centre and speak to someone who deals with this sort of stuff day in day out, then you can decide what course of action is right for you.
    So the answer to question number one is yes your benefits will stop, but you will be entitled to something else in it’s place.
    And Number two depends if you are on Income related ESA or Contributory ESA et al, Signing on for JSA will definitely be treated as a new claim but as I said Robert check it.
    If you wish to know more and get different opinions to help you make up your mind then you would do well to visit the sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org and ask them, they will help you as best they can..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 15, 2012 @ 7:26 pm

  143. I am making an Appointment with the docter tommow as my mom know there is a good docter who will give me a sick note and medical letter the one docter who said i could not keep getting sick notes is a crap docter so in the morning im making an appointment with this GP my mom have said this GP is really good what i heard so fingers cross that tommow i can get my sick note and post off my apeal im gonna post it first class so they get it for tuesday and hopefully get paid on friday the basic rate

    Comment by colin — January 15, 2012 @ 11:04 pm

  144. Hello Colin.

    Another Dr in the surgery ? that’s a good idea, good luck there.
    Colin…I’m sorry to have to tell you, because I can see you don’t understand the way the DWP work, do not expect your money to be there on Friday, they (DWP) are just not reliable, take it from me Colin because it’s very disappointing when you get there and find nothing in your account, believe me I’ve seen it, done it and worn the proverbial tee shirt and it just throws your life in to disarray.
    Better to look at it this way, try and get a loan from a friend and do not expect it to be there, if it is then fine, if not then you will not be so upset, but be patient because as long as you are appealing and have gave them a sick note you will get it eventually, they are in no hurry, they are in no hurry at all.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 15, 2012 @ 11:21 pm

  145. Hi there I’m new to this site and I’m finding it very usefull and incredibly frustrating the way the people at these midical/assesments are actually treated were treat like dogs and everything we say gets twisted and re-worded to there interpritation of what the answer should have been,

    I’m currently suffering from server depression, anxiety, suicidal tendancies/attempts,server self harm, panik attacks and black outs, I’m on 100mg of sertaline and I’m currently seeking help AGAIN from a cpn as the last 3 well let’s just say we didn’t get on, I can’t leave my house at all and if I have to it has to be with my partner or a well trusted family member, I take panik attacks if I’m in the house alone and some one knocks at my door and meeting/ speaking to unknown people absolutely terrifies me,

    I’ve been in receipt of ESA for about 4 yrs now during wich I’ve had 4 medical assessments and failed thm all I appealed them all and faild 3 but my second assessment appeal I was awarded and put into a group before this I was on IB for 4 yrs and passed every assesment,

    This time I had an appointment at arden house gosforth, well I wasn’t happy as everyone I spoke to either ignored me or told me to wait I could feel my self becomin panniky and anxious but no one bothered moving any quicker, in the assesment room I asked for a copy of the report to be sent to me she advised me to ring up and request over the phone but knowing fine well I panik while on phone to strangers I requested tht my partner do it and she told me I had to do it any ways I dissmissed what she said and carried on the assesment (well the terrifiying grilling ) shall I say I was asked if I cud move my neck legs arms back and so on, obviously I can with exceptions to the pain in my lower bk caused bu a ingrowing hair at the base ov my spin seems to have inbedded its self in my spine, so when I received the not unexpected letter of (failed!) I appeald in great detail 6pages a4 letter of why I dissagreed with the desision and I’d like them to look at the decision again this time with the ryt answers to the questions I was never asked wich infuriated me as who r they to assume my mood my intent to suicide or self harm with out asking me! If she had of asked me I wud have showed her the cuts from me self harmin 20 prior to assesment because of the stress of leaving my own home I’ve now been told I need a new sick note because my other one wich is valid till 24/2/12 got stopped at same time so I now have to leave the house again to visit the doctor, stress stress stress I can fully understand why ppl commit suicide,

    I had been told on the 12/1/12 I would be getting £201 the following day now bearing in mind I rang up 4 times during 12th/13th and 4 different people told me I would be getting my money paid into my account so with the money I did have I paid off my catalogue/rent/gas/electric wich left me totally pennyless and I didn’t mind to much as I was getting money the next day but as u guessed nothing was in my bank and I’ve since found out it was requested the bank return this to the benifits because I wasn’t intitled to it so now I have no money no food electric running very low and gas out and I can’t get a crisis loan I owe thm to much and they won’t offer me any help at all I’m paniking at the thought of my bills comin in and no money to even by a loaf of bread and they won’t pay me anymoney till I get a sick note in even tho I have one that’s valid till 24/2/12 can anyone give me advice on this or tell me the best way to go around it as I’m really starting to think its better if I just wasn’t here it wud put an end to all this :(

    Thanks for reading and sorry long letter x

    Comment by amylouise — January 18, 2012 @ 3:28 pm

  146. Hello Amylouise.

    I wish you had come to this Blog sooner, or the Forum http://www.dwpexamination.org and we could have helped by putting you in the picture. Because finding out the hard way is excruciating, for instance thinking that the DWP will deposit money in your account on a certain date is a no no. Now you have found out their whole remit which is to mess us all around and make us come of sickness benfits to sign on, it’s all about their figures, it’s all about their promise to get a million of sickness benefits and the only way they can do that is to fabricate medical assessments and lie and cheat, they can’t do it honestly and they can’t do it fairly.
    You can still appeal as you are doing, and as for money then you should get the assessment rate but they don’t tell you about the assessment rate, they leave you with the impression that JSA is all that is available, but you are appealing and you are entitled by law unfortunately you have to wait a couple of weeks for it, I’m not sure if you are aware but as I said the assessment rate cannot be denied to you while appealing.
    Let us know how you are getting on….!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 18, 2012 @ 4:47 pm

  147. I Have got an Appointment Today with a different GP at the Surgery to obtain eather a medical note or a sick note or both for my Apeal for ESA I really Needs the basic rate while i am apealing as i have a contract phone and broadband that has to be paid every mouth i pays 60 all in I gets Unlimted broadband and 3000 Mins and unlimted texts and 500 Mb internet and i have my phone insuerd to and capt so i cant go over my mins

    Comment by colin — January 19, 2012 @ 1:55 pm

  148. Hello Colin.

    Let’s hope you get that note because it’s imperative that you do, then get it to the DWP as quickly as you can, remember I said the DWP don’t care if you have bills or have to pay your broadband you will as we have all done find out they all to a man don’t give a rats ass.
    Good luck Colin.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 19, 2012 @ 2:33 pm

  149. The Good News is I got the Sick Note this GP was really good he said to me to make an appointment with him on the 15/3/2012 for another as he says the apeals takes time

    he also made sure that my mom is representing me which she is and he asked me if i have worked before i said i have in a care home were my mom works [he knows my mom is a lead care there] i said i had to leave due to my hydrocephales problems i was having and also it was affecting my behaver as well

    So im just gonna wait and see what happens now I sent my Apeal form today i got it sent off by 1st class stamp so hopefully they will start paying the basic rate again before the 31st of this mouth

    Will they remind us when i have got to get another medical note?

    Comment by colin — January 19, 2012 @ 5:25 pm

  150. That’s great Colin, it’s basically a waiting game from now on. Now this notice from the DWP to get a sick note ? they usually send a reminder but sometimes they forget or don’t bother, this happened to me once and I realised I was a month out nearly, but I got the note backdated and handed it in to the DWP shop, I asked them why I wasn’t sent a reminder and their answer was…we are under no obligation to remind you, I said well that’s good to know but a reminder was handy because I could staple the address you give me to the sick note and then put it in to the already windowed pre-paid envelope and I have found you receive it without problems ?, since then I have had no problems getting a reminder.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 19, 2012 @ 6:10 pm

  151. My Mom has put it in her calander for me
    1] Do anyone Know How Long Apeal Take?
    2] What is the Next Step In This Apeal? Now That The Apeal has been sent
    3] Will I get a Letter to say they will pay the basic rate again?

    Comment by colin — January 19, 2012 @ 9:12 pm

  152. Hello Colin.

    The appeal can take anything from 6 months to a year, some have waited longer, I was 8 months for instance, it just depends on how busy they are, remember when you attend the appeal their decision concerns only around the Day you were found fit for work by the DWP and not the date you attended the ATOS assessment, this means that any change of circumstances since that date like an improvement in your condition does not count to your appeal.

    Now that the appeal has been sent then you just wait, getting some extra medical reports will help while you are waiting, around a couple of weeks before the appeal date you will be informed by the clerk from the appeal service, you will also receive an appeal bundle from the DWP.

    You should at some time in the future receive a letter from the DWP (you might even have recieved it) informing you that since you are appealing you are entitled to the assessment rate (Provided you asked for the assessment rate, don’t ask ? don’t get) and they have put such and such an amount in to your account.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 19, 2012 @ 10:06 pm

  153. I Have Got An Appointment With My Nerio Surgoen in July 23rd what do i ask him when i go for this appointment? I do have copy of my Hosptail Discharge sheet that states i have hydrocephales so i persume that is already been proved

    I have learning difficuties which iv had since day 1 as well what shall i obtain to prove that? My docter has put this on my sick note this one i got yesterday

    Shall i get my mom to ring up DWP asking them to pay me the basic rate while i am waiting? It says on the letter that they will consider paying it with a valed apeal within 1 mouth they should receive this today as i sent it first class yesterday

    When will i get a letter to say they have received my apeal?

    Any Ideas

    Comment by colin — January 20, 2012 @ 11:47 am

  154. I have an update. Not good either.

    Had a letter through today (20/01/12) saying that they have looked at the appeal, looked at the facts and evidence they used to make their decision and looked at the points I have raised. No change in their original decision. Who is surprised. I had barely anytime to put together a decent enough appeal anyway, which I find unfair.

    I was told Monday that it was going to take a while for the appeal to get sorted, so was slightly surprised about reciving this letter. I called them (the same day) as I am behind in sending in my sick note, due to health issues and the fact my dr’s surgery is a nightmare to get an appointment on time. I was very confused as to what I had to do as well concerning the sick notes, as on the letter it doesn’t state whether or not you should be sending in the notes after the initial decision is made! They have now apparently said in the letter that the appeal has now been sent to an independant appeal tribunal. Am I worried? Not half!

    I am so tired and depression is worsening. My pain is no better, and its affecting my everyday life.

    It seems that something like Fibromyalgia is not serious enough … It is when no employer is going to hire you because somedays your house bound (which alot of the time I am, I get out once a week and even that is a struggle)

    I should really get my hands on the full medical report from ATOS/DWP and see what was put in that. As I was unable to get it in time to send my appeal in. I feel rushed and pushed aside ….

    Comment by Dmitria Petrova — January 20, 2012 @ 12:02 pm

  155. Hello Dmitria.

    The reconsideration process is basically a con to gain them time, they do that to everyone even if you tell them you do not wish a reconsideration they still defy you because they want to give you the impression you have no chance at the tribunal, don’t you believe it though.
    The sick note business is nonsense but unfortunately if you appeal then a sick note has to be sent in backdated to the date you were informed you were fit for work so if you miss a day then that’s an excuse to dock that day from your assessment rate. Sometimes they don’t, it just depends on which side of the bed the Sturmbanfuhrer got out off that morning.
    You can still have a look at the ESA 85 report when it eventually arrives and send another more full appeal submission stating the reason that your ESA 85 was delayed etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 20, 2012 @ 1:16 pm

  156. Hi ALL

    Can i just say what a great site very informative and says it how it is :)

    i am currently appealing my ATOS medical after only receiving 6 points including yes u guessed it no points for mobility although i claim the higher rate DLA which is mind boggling.
    Sent my appeal off (recorded delivery) begining Jan 2012 together with my sick note, they are currently in receipt told that i would receive lower rate ESA but today is payment day and yes u guessed it no payment in my bank account. Sat here waiting for a call back from DWP i wonder what they will say !!!

    I can not beleive that they treat genuine people with long term health problems / disability like this and cause them nothing but stress, upset and worry they have no regard that this infact can make their illness become worst and after all i didnt ask for this illness / disability.

    These ATOS assessment are not worth the paper they are printed on and the assessors would save the goverment money if they put through the correct people through this process but instead they are wasting more and more on money re assessments/ appeals which seems mind boggling too.
    I am in contact with my local welfare rights who is helping to put my appeal case forward and would highly recommend to get intouch with them, the CAB didnt have enough resources or time to help me and I have also written to my local MP on this matter as i feel we all need to have our voice heard .

    After going thru the motions of upset, panic and worry you have to become strong and find the strength for what you are entitled too. YOU HAVE TO FIGHT FIND THE STRENGTH FROM SOMEWHERE !!!

    Comment by Paula — January 23, 2012 @ 10:59 am

  157. Hi Paula and all good readers and truthers.

    I can tell you they (ATOS) have been fabricating functional assessments (used to be called medical assessments) for at least three years now (Oct 2008) they were doing it before that date, but only in piecemeal, feeling there way so to speak, and they found that they could get away with it, that gave them (The powers that be) the idea to go the whole hog and damn the torpedoes, the silence from the disabled and ill community fueled them even more and that is why we have these dreadful reforms coming in so quickly, the truth is our silence has encouraged them.

    This Blog and it’s sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org later on were formed to try and give sick and disabled people a voice a show of resistance and a no nonsense approach informing them of their rights and where to go and get help, ATOS healthcare (What a misnomer) didn’t like that, they didn’t like the fact that we were exposing them for the charlatans that they are so their top lawyer made the mistake of trying to shut our forum up for good, and he thought he could do this by sending the server and others a threatening letter, the server/s gave up because they don’t need the hassle, but there was a way out for the forum and it was offered by Black triangle, which was to give them some space on their Icelandic server, this means the forum is outside British jurisdiction, since the Icelandic parliament voted to retain free speech on the internet unlike our Government who only tolerate free speech when it suits them all other types of speech that are not in their interests are ignored or squashed with the help of the mainstream media and their corporate friends, this Icelandic server cannot be touched by our Government and therefore the forum has the chance to tell the truth, and that is all we are doing, not breaking the law just exposing these people and telling the truth.
    So I ask anyone who want’s to know the truth then pick a username and read up http://www.dwpexamination.org of course if Daily mail/Express bullshit and looking at Sun dolly birds and David Beckham and Posh spice is more to your taste then please go elsewhere.

    There were other anti-ATOS sites and they are doing a good job as well, they stood firm and refused to be intimidated and guess what ? so far ATOS have stayed away, just goes to show that we can beat these people because the fact that they tried to use threats to shut us all up shows them up for what they are, Charlatans, bullies and cowards. We have no intention of folding to threats, so we will keep telling you the truth, and we will not go away until ATOS healthcare have been swept out of the way to make room for a new fairer test of our health functional abilities.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 23, 2012 @ 12:05 pm

  158. Hi ALL

    While i spoke to the DWP about my payment, they have received my appeal (which i already know) but still they are not going to pay me anything today although i am in the appeal process. They say that the appeal has not been billed so they can not release a payment although i have had no money for 2 wks, no credit cards, savings or way to make money. They say that i need them to look at the appeal and a descision will be made by end of week. I LIVE IN HOPE !!! but what do i do till then i thought if an appeal had been received they would at least give you something untill they look at it more closely. but then again i am not surprised, WHY THE HELL CAN THEY TREAT PPLE WITH ILLNESSES LIKE THIS.

    They asked on the phone if i receive any other benefits but didnt give me chance to answer or explain that i get DLA but it all goes to my Mobility car, so not sure if they expect me to live on that while in APPEAL !!!!! but its not the money i receive. can anyone enlighten me ???

    Well i am living in hope they reach a descision by end of wk, can not believe they stop your benefit and leave you with no money to live on when bills are due and you have a house to run !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    EVEN MORE FRUSTATED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Paula — January 23, 2012 @ 2:40 pm

  159. And this is the very thing we are trying to get through to people, they are going to take your/our benefits away, so anyone on sickness benefits needs to understand that they are not going to help you/us in any way whatsoever, they are not going to contact your Dr or GP for medical reports on your behalf, they are not going to contact your Consultant/s for medical reports on your behalf, they are not going to inform you of your rights, they are not going to add any information to your appeal pack that will help you win, and they certainly aren’t going to rush and put money in our accounts, the sooner we get this through our heads the sooner we can think up ways to combat it, it’s just that we are being hindered because some of us are not getting the message. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but it needs to be said that it’s in our own best interests if we can grasp this.


    Comment by dwpexamination — January 23, 2012 @ 3:18 pm

  160. I have got a Job Intervew Later for a Clearning Job for 10 Hours a week 5.30pm to 7.30pm Monday to friday the rate is 6.08 per hour

    Are you still allowed to claim ESA doing this? Works out at 60.80 a week which i feel i could do but any longer i would struggle with

    Comment by colin — January 24, 2012 @ 2:19 pm

  161. Hello Colin.

    I was invited to attend a work focused interview last Friday morning, and one of the questions I asked was could I work some hours if I feel better and still claim my ESA ? the advisor replied you can work up to 16 hours per week provided you clear it with us first and it will not affect your ESA.
    Obviously if you don’t clear it with them and they find out, and they will find out eventually, then you could find yourself with problems to solve.
    Believe it, but check it..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 24, 2012 @ 3:02 pm

  162. Can people who was Found Fit for work who is apealing agaist it do Permitted Work of 10 Hours a week Cleaning which earns £60.80 a week i am getting the basic rate off esa while my apeal is going ahaed can i still do Permitted Work

    Also my apeal is to be placed in the work related group not the support group as physcally i am fit but mentaley have limted capabiles is what i am apealing for i scored 12 points on a medical should of been at least 24 points citzens advise said telling them the problems i have

    Comment by colin — January 27, 2012 @ 3:04 pm

  163. Colin…While you appeal you will have to hand in a sick note, this obviously means your Dr has said you are unfit to work..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 27, 2012 @ 3:45 pm

  164. I suffer from depression, anxiety and panic attacks going back 20 years. Have been on medication for 4 years since a suicide atttempt and have seen several therapists and on another NHS waiting list to see yet another one. I had my assesment in november’11, and failed with 0 points. Got my ‘notice’ of benefits being stopped a few days before christmas and then stopped a few days after the new year. I have put in an appeal and got help with it which is difficult for me to do in any case. In the meantime i have had to claim JSA as i didnt know which benefits i should apply for which took 3 weeks to be paid and wasnt the full amount becasue of the 3 days they dont pay. I didnt know i could claim esa while appealing until reading it here. why do the dwp make it so hard for anyone to find out anything yet alone claim. Been a almost a month since putting apeal in and havent heard back about it but have an ‘interview’ with an someone at jobcenter next week so see what happens.

    Comment by mikey — January 29, 2012 @ 2:18 pm

  165. Mikey…This is what we are trying to do, help people to get to know their rights and act on them, the fact that the DWP don’t tell you that you are entitled to the assessment rate et al is disgraceful, don’t let anything like that happen to you again Mikey when you deal with these fools remember that they have no interest in helping you, every action they take is all designed to help them and their figures, we are just numbers to them.
    There is no shortcut to learning your basic rights but we have done the breaking to save you the aching all you need to do is just read and you can do well to start here and acquaint yourself with the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org get to know what this dreadful Government has in store for us if we do not resist.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 29, 2012 @ 2:55 pm

  166. My mother couldn’t recall completing the ‘limited capability form’ also known as the “ESA50″ which was done back in June 2011. When I asked the DWP for a photocopy prior to the assessment (which took place at the end of January 2012) they told me that ATOS have the paperwork. when I asked ATOS, they refused to send a photocopy on the basis that the the forms remain the property of the DWP. Three times I requested this information over the phone with the DWP and each time was told that it would be sent. Eventually, ATOS called my mum and told her that there was insufficient time to post this prior to the interview and was told to come in early on the day. Both my mum and I attended Argosy House in Plymouth, turned up half hour early, only to be told that the office was closed for lunch. When I explained we arrived early to read paperwork, we were given the information upon producing valid ID. I was then asked if I had finished with the file as the nurse was ready to start the assessment, ten minutes prior to the scheduled time appointment time!! When we went in, the assessor asked my mum to confirm if she is in receipt of Employment Support Allowance, (ESA) which she is not and we were then asked if we wanted to continue?? We did continue but made it absolutely clear that ESA was not being claimed, much to the confusion of the assessor…..

    Does anybody at these awful tincan organisations run by admin clerks know what they’re talking about??

    I would really like to hear from the creator of this page, and would be grateful if perhaps you could email me at (joe.thms@hotmail.co.uk) please, no spam!

    Many Thanks…

    Comment by Anonymous — January 30, 2012 @ 6:05 pm

  167. Hello Joe.

    The answer to your question is NO they haven’t a clue what they are doing, unless it has something to do with screwing you for every penny they can, of course I’m sure you have worked out that the reason they would not send on the paper work (ESA 50) is because they do not want you to prepare by refreshing your memory, so in future Joe when you deal with these people make sure you have a copy of absolutely everything you send them.
    I’m a bit confused on why they sent your mother an ESA 50 if she is not claiming Employment support allowance, and confused even further why she went for an appointment for an assessment for a benefit she isn’t even claiming, and again why they still went ahead and assessed her, but I suppose there is a method in the madness somewhere it’s just that I’m not seeing it.
    Is it possible that she is claiming IB (Incapacity benefit) and has been asked to attend an assessment for a transfer to ESA ?, please let me know, because I’m always interested in expanding my knowledge of the Kafkaesque world that is ATOS/DWP.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 30, 2012 @ 7:31 pm

  168. Hi

    I was up until 3 months ago claiming JSA, I then fell sick so claiming ESA waiting for the dreaded medical.
    When I was claiming JSA I got help with my mortgage interest, and I so far still in receipt of this.
    IF, and I say – if, I go onto ESA full term, does help with my mortgage still apply, and if so – how long for.

    Thanks Lilly.

    Comment by Lilly — January 31, 2012 @ 4:33 pm

  169. Hi Lilly.

    If you go on to ESA then you should get help with the interest on your mortgage, what that help is I’m not sure because I do not have a mortgage myself but renting. Ask this important question on the forum Lily http://www.dwpexamination.org because there are people active on there with your problem and will be able to give you definite answers.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 31, 2012 @ 5:00 pm

  170. Further to your comment, yes my mother receives income support topped up with IB, or other way around? i’m not overly sure, but yes you’re quite right her benefit is likely to transfer to ESA but I was rather alarmed that the assessor felt it was only in relation to ESA only…The DWP confirmed this when I later phoned them!

    Would be interested in chatting to you in greater detail if you’re interested..I particularly like the webpage you’ve created and it appears you’ve had quite a few responses…get in touch if you would like to know…email in prev post, 166.



    Comment by Anonymous — January 31, 2012 @ 6:30 pm

  171. Hello Joe.

    Yes your mother is being transferred to ESA because IB is being phased out, that’s why your mother was assessed for ESA, there isn’t going to be any IB and that is causing the confusion for a lot of people, in fact there are some folk who think they are on sickness benefits for life that’s not true unless they are so ill that death is imminent, from Oct 2008 everyone who is eligible for any type of sickness benefit will be assessed sooner or later, the whole idea is to deliberately fail as many people as possible and force them to appeal, they have found that a lot of people can’t be bothered to appeal and just go and sign on instead, these are the type of people that has made it impossible for genuine claimants, well at least you know now.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 31, 2012 @ 8:32 pm

  172. Hello all,

    I am new here, found this site after googling. I have read all your posts and can say that I am disgusted at the way the sick and disabled are being treated.

    My husband, who is 60and worked all his life and paid his national insurance and taxes was diagnosed with prostrate cancer in August 2009, he worked night shift in a heavy metal factory and they were changing him to days. He carried on working while having hormone injections and then was given options as to his treatment in December and he opted for radiotherapy Jan 2010 after being told 3 months he should be ok. His firm had to let him go as he would be off for over 3 months. He was called for a medical whilst having radiotherapy and put in the work group. We thought he would be able to return to work but in Sept 2010 he started having bowel problems, no one told us he radiotherapy carries on ‘cooking@, which was very embarrassing for him. He was still under the hospital every few months. In October the form arrived and I duly filled in explaining he was having problems. A medical was arranged for November 2010 the HCP was very nice and my husband explained what was happening and she said she strongly advised him to see his GP again as it could be something serious, which worried the life out of us. We immediately made an appointment to see our GP who arranged for him to see a gastroenterologist but the appointment wasn’t until a few months later. The first we knew he was taken off ESA was when we did not get the payment in the bank and after a few phone calls was told to wait for the letter. It arrived a week later, three weeks without money, then I had to get the appeal form. At first panic, then the phone calls trying to get through to Glasgow, but as some of you probably know when you ring that number they give you, it can go to anywhere in the country and they all give you different answers. Eventually, I go through to Glasgow and told the person there that my husband had to have further investigation and he said I had to send in all the information to show he was having this. Six weeks go by, we borrow off family over Christmas. I ring many times, eventually get through to the person I spoke to and he tells me that my Husband will be given another 9 months in the work component. I asked for a copy of the report by the HCP at ATOS. He was given 6 points for not being able to get to a toilet in time!!! and thats all. No mention is made of her instructing him to go and see his GP or that he is depressed and taking medication as his PSA levels were rising and that his Urologist has told him that if they keep rising there is nothing they can do.

    I filled in the DLA form, he was refused because of the medical report, even though he was reinstated. He didn’t want to appeal he had had enough. So we left it as he was having further investigation to see why he was having bowel problems. He was told that he had radiation colitis and they said it may go and it may not. He cannot go on holiday, or on long or short journeys. He finds it so embarrassing and wonders if he will ever be well again. So far it hasn’t gone and guess what another form arrives to be filled in. This time I want to be able to fill it in properly, I take great care and making sure that I don’t just tick the boxes but fully explain on separate bits of paper. I got a copy of the descriptors and do my research about ATOs and how they train their HCPs. My husband gets his medical appointment on Jan 16th, 2012. We attend and greeted by a very abrupt lady who takes us down a very long corridor, a long way from being able to reach a toilet in time if needs be, hence to say I could see the panic on my husband’s face. She says, your GP says you have depression and then rolls off one question after another until my husband says why am I here. She becomes a bit annoyed, my husband becomes upset. I step in and tell her about the last medical and that nothing was mentioned about him seeking further investigation. She becomes annoyed and says she cannot speak for her colleagues. She asks, if my husband wants to carry on with the interview, he says do I have any alternative and she says we should end it.

    Why I am telling you this, is I honestly thought oh he will be definately taken off and given nil points. He had to see his work adviser for the second time on 26th last week and we were still waiting for the decision letter and it was only the work adviser was able to tell us he had tried to phone us to let us know he had been put into the support group for a year. We received the letter a day or so ago informing him, but no mention of how long or any report. I have had to ring and find out and request the report. Have also been told by the housing benefit that because he will get just over a fiver more he may have to pay more rent and council tax. At least he will not have to worry for a year. I worry for him as he is still not out of the woods as his PSA level continues to rise and we are hoping they can treat it.

    Whatever any of you decide to do, fight your corner and believe in yourselves, get as much help as you can from any source and APPEAL. It wastes their time and money and many many people have their decisions overturned. Its wrong what is happening, this Government and the previous should be ashamed of themselves. We need to get as many people to see what is happening to the sick and vulnerable in our society, we are supposed to be a caring and compassionate and to make sure we protect the less well off and protect in times of need. Best of luck to you all x

    Comment by sickofit60 — February 1, 2012 @ 2:29 am

  173. Hello sickofit.

    Thank you for taking the time to write and send us your story, it’s a disgrace how they have treated your husband, and he is not the only one I can assure you this is happening to thousands and thousands of people all over Britain and it’s been happening for over three years, I can tell you and I’m not boasting but if it wasn’t for this Blog and our sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org amongst others, your husband would have been thrown to the wolves long ago, and almost certainly homeless like I was three years ago before this Blog was formed.
    We have a way to go, but the pressure our members have put on this Government has helped to stop them in their tracks, the evidence is beginning to emerge that some people like your husband are actually getting ESA, fantastic because that was almost unheard of three years ago well not without a bitter fight that lasted for over a year.
    This DLA business ? this refusal based on a dodgy functional assessment is a con they hope you will not appeal, whether you decide to still appeal is up to you but think of this, if you don’t appeal then you are throwing away your legal right to extra money for your husband because an appeal costs nothing, and also remember ATOS/DWP despise weakness, if they see that browbeating someone will put them off appealing because they can’t be bothered or the stress is to much then that person is unfortunately opening themselves up for serious problems in the future, they are heartless bully’s and have no mercy.
    I can understand your husband just wants them to just go away and give him peace to live his life, but you are going to find they are not going to go away, a new fresh brown envelpoe will thud on his doormat with the same old dross ”You are required to attend a…Your benefits may be affected if you do not attend etc” it’s just a matter of time.

    But meanwhile congratulations on the fight and the result. Remember your husband shouldn’t have to fight, he shouldn’t have to struggle to fight these people, that money and his entitlememt to ESA is his by right and not by fight, he has paid his taxes and his NI, he has more right than most folk.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 1, 2012 @ 6:34 am

  174. I would just like to say well done black triangle I have looking at your website and found it most encouraging I have been trying to help my sister who unfortunately is going thro` this ATOSs rubbish ref appeal and tends to ignore things and bury her head hoping it will all go away but as we know it will not so we have to deal with it as best we can but with people like you around does at least make you feel that you are not alone which how it must make people feel I would like to say a very very big thank you to you and keep up this most important work Good Luck for the future regards the man in the midlands

    Comment by Mr Pete Sakk — February 1, 2012 @ 11:58 am

  175. Hello Pete.

    Well thanks Pete and much appreciated, what a lot of people don’t realise is we at DWP examination and our very important sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org do this for free and because we want to help people, WE are not professionals but are victims as well, we tell the truth about ATOS/DWP and this dreadful Government through real life experience because we and the folk on our companion site have all been where your sister is, have all been victims and all we want is a fair assessment and an end to ATOS/DWP corruption, as long as these miscreants are active then we will stay active, if I die then someone else will pick up the flag and carry on.


    Comment by dwpexamination — February 1, 2012 @ 2:19 pm

  176. Hi all,

    Wish I had come across this site earlier. Just knowing others are going through the same problems gives me moral support.

    I won’t go into a long story about my illness but suffice to say, I suffer from Chronic Pain from an ailment that the doctor’s have not been able to give a name to. Neuropathic pain is the best they have come up with and that no cure is known. I live on pain killers 24/7.

    My benefits were stopped on August 19th, 2011. I appealed immediately and I have been waiting since then to hear back from them. Only this past week, I received a package of all my notes and a cover letter to tell me that I was unsuccessful in my appeal.

    I have now applied to go to a tribunal. I definitely cannot work and in fact have severe trouble just coping with life within our own home.

    I am hoping to find a representative to attend the tribunal with me. What do people suggest is the best option here – a solicitor, a doctor [if possible]?

    Having not received any benefits for 6 months has had a detrimental affect on our finances and we feel that we are on a continual downslide because of it.

    I cannot see how I can apply for Jobseekers Allowance when I would be lucky enough to even manage to attend the initial interviews because of my ill health.

    One further question and I think I already know the answer, but if I go to tribunal and [hope, hope, hope] I am successful and win my case, do they back pay from the day they stopped payment or is it as I assume, there will only be payment from the date of the tribunal?

    Good luck to all!

    Comment by James — February 5, 2012 @ 10:12 am

  177. Hello James.

    First of all I have to explain, you were not unsuccessful at a tribunal you were unsuccessful at the DWP decision makers reconsideration, do you see the sly trick they have played on you ? don’t worry though because that’s normal in the madhouse that is the Department of work and pensions.

    And you have made the correct decision in carrying on with the appeal to the tribunal, it’s not clear if you have contacted your local welfare rights office, or contacted the CAB (CAB are busy and swamped at the moment but you may have luck) but you will find it very difficult to find a DR or Solicitor to represent you, but if you do then kudos to you.

    When you attend the tribunal they will ask you about your ability to work and not how much pain you are in, so you must demonstrate to the panel that your functional ability is degraded and that is why you need ESA and therefore help back to work in the future, this means concentrating on the different descriptors that affect you and your ability to function and therefore work.

    So from the date you were told by the DWP (Not the ATOS assessment date) that you were in their opinion unfit for work you should have been payed at the assessment rate, you must ask for the assessment rate because they do not tell you, they tell you instead to sign on for Job seekers allowance, this is another con and needs to be stopped. On the assessment rate you still get the same help with rent rebate and council tax rebate etc.

    So what to do is write them a polite letter and let them know that ”You are disappointed that your appeal was considered and refused and that due to your serious health problems you did not expect a decision of refusal by the Departments decision maker therefore could you please pay me the assessment rate from the date I was found unfit for work (INSERT DATE) until my appeal is heard.
    It will be backdated and paid in to your bank account, say nothing and you will get nothing.

    As for your last concern, since they will pay back to the date you were found unfit for work by the DWP if you win your appeal that could be 9 months or a year backdated money, they will deduct the assessment rate you were paid in the meantime while you waited for the appeal. If you were unfortunate and lost the appeal then you pay them back nothing, you just don’t get the extra. So you have nothing to lose if you appeal and plenty to gain.

    If you need help or have any questions you would like to ask then you would do well to log in to the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org on there you will get all the help you need from people like yourself who have been through the hell that is DWP/ATOS.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 5, 2012 @ 12:26 pm

  178. I had an ATOS medical in November and failed ,.like everyone else it seems, was told to appeal when I received the letter from ATOS, this didnt arrive till just before Christmas, as soon as I got it sent off the appeal and heard absolutely nothing. On Jan 5 my benefits were stopped, including Housing and Council tax benefits.
    I called the DWP who asked if I’d sent a medical certificate with my appeal, but I was never asked for one. I called Welfare rights, who called the DWP for me and were also told I needed a medical certificate (why arent we told this? are we supposed to be psychic?)
    I sent the medical certificate off and have still heard nothing, I havent had a penny since 5 Jan. What am I supposed to do? I cant pay my rent, my son is having to pay for food, bills etc, but he’s only on minimum wage.
    How is this possible? Im getting desperate, a month with absolutely no income is making my health even worse, I cant sleep with worry. how can the DWP leave anyone with no income whatsoever?

    Comment by Mel — February 6, 2012 @ 6:02 am

  179. Hello Mel.

    The DWP have been doing this to people for three years, and that’s all the way back to OCT 2008, it’s an absolute disgrace, the Government have control of the media like the Daily express, Daily mail and the Sun etc and therefore they will report nothing that has anything to do with ATOS this means the DWP are running riot and ruining lives.
    Minister for work Chris Grayling has admitted that at least 31 people have died after being told by the DWP they were fit for work, we know that so far at least 13 were suicides as a direct result of the policies of this Government and their henchmen in the ATOS/DWP sham.

    We have been trying to inform people on what is happening here and on the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org but no one pays attention until it happens to them, the public have been totally brainwashed and don’t realise they are losing all their rights as each week goes by.
    Your experience though extremely painful to you is nothing to what thousands have been suffering over the years, you say you have sent in the sick note at long last and appealed ? why do you expect any money if you don’t ask for it ? how do you know what to ask for ? because they don’t tell you that’s why, the answer is you must ask for the assessment rate whilst waiting for the appeal to be heard, if you do not ask for the assessment rate they will give you NOTHING if you don’t know your rights they will rob you blind, as I said and this applies to everyone get to know your rights. http://www.dwpexamination.org and don’t get fooled again.

    Ask them for the ASSESSMENT RATE because you are waiting for an appeal to be heard, you can phone them but do not rely on it, send a short letter and explain you have sent in the sick note and are appealing, by the way the sick note has to be backdated to the date you were erroneously informed by the DWP that you were fit for work etc, if you do this you will find that they will backdate the money they owe you eventually.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 6, 2012 @ 9:33 am

  180. @ dwpexamination

    Thanks very much for your helpful reply.

    Are you saying then, that I am entitled to request the basic assessment rate is given to me and back dated until the date that the DWP stopped my payments back in August, 2011?

    If so, could you point me to the location within the forums that deals with this particular issue?

    Thanks again for your invaluable help.

    Comment by James — February 6, 2012 @ 9:57 am

  181. Hello James.

    Backdated to the date the DWP decision maker informed you that you were in their opinion unfit for work, only you know that date, it is not the date you were assessed by ATOS.
    You can log in here http://www.dwpexamination.org and look at the various pages for any information you need, you can also ask any relevant questions you like under the general discussion page James and they will be answered.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 6, 2012 @ 11:48 am

  182. Any help and advise please , totally confused . upset. I got a form from the DWP/ATOS it was a nasty old bunch of mind f–k questions but I stuck with it and answered it all…I have Diviculitis,Anklosing Spondylitis,multiple osteoarthritis.Unspecified breast disease,[basicly means regular scans and procedures].Vertebrasilar insuffiency..profound sinus bradycardia/heart defects. varied damage from meningitis.Asthma.hypertension.and of course as if you didnt know it depression..Also a few years ago I was attacked in the street and the trauma of the attack/head injury,uncovered stuff that i had buried away because it was to painful to deal with..I very nearly lost the plot and had a lot of counselling and had to attend a day hospital for two years.I was unable to defend myself due to my many health problems..To this day I cannot cope with someone walking close behind me or someone i dont know next to me,,I,m a nervous wreck…I put all this on the rotten form…I was due to have a device fitted into my chest wall on november the 18th..its to record when i get what they call episodes , I actually lose conscieness and usually hurt myself ..just like the day when i came out of hospital i arrived home to find a letter from them telling me i had been put into the work related catogory? talk about maximum impact ,I,m sorry to say and very ashamed that i accidently on purpose overdosed…What i mean is i was in agony from having a deep incision in my chest,still groggy from what they did ..I read the letter over and over from the c—s ..trying to make sense of it….tried to phone them even..i was upset on the phone and the man on the other end ,,laughed at me [dont worry i have its name]..I tried to get to another room . had an episode .fell lost concieness ,hit my head on the radiator [i think]..and it all came back to haunt me again…I desperately wanted to shut my mind down ,stop the thoughts from tormenting me [sorry to bad to tell on here]..so every time i woke up which was every 20/30 minutes.i was taking a handful of pills..long story cut short here hospital said i had damaged my stomach lining and must not take the painkillers again..and of course i didnt bargain for the withdrawal symptons as i had taken these pills for 20 years.plus. anyway i havent even been called for a medical? they sent me that work related letter without a medical so i got in touch with ‘mind’ and they helped me with an appeal . i,ve been waiting to hear from them about how its going,,but nothing ,,until yesterday when i got another form to fill in about limited capability for work..??? what are they trying to do??? its the same questions..it says about the face 2 face thing again….it says to send in medical evidence?? they have it all it was sent with my appeal , i cant bother my doctor again , i just cant,,,why are they doing this…i feel so unwell…its causing so much trauma…i dont know which way to turn ,what do they want?BLOOD? PLEASE HELP.

    Comment by lyn — February 13, 2012 @ 12:28 am

  183. I forgot to add that i have worked in the past..And now at present have just been changed from income support to esa….I also receive high rate care/mobility dla…although i have an appeal going through they have not stopped any benefit? sorry to go on but i,m in a terrible state about it all.

    Comment by lyn — February 13, 2012 @ 12:32 am

  184. Hello Lyn.

    First of all I will tell you that you did the right thing and contacted MIND for help to appeal for the support group.

    And once you understand how the DWP/ATOS system works you may feel a little better, everyone and I mean everyone who is on any kind of sickness benefit is going to be contacted by ATOS, it is done by computer, when a certain time goes by the computer churns out your name and its time they contacted you to see if your health condition/s have improved this is why you have had another letter with the stupid form ESA 50 to fill in (I got one on Saturday morning) there is no escape from a ESA 50 for anyone.

    This constant sending out letters repeatedly is ATOS/DWP strategdy to try and wear us all down and get so fed up that we decide to escape the hassle and go and sign on, don’t fall for their trap, do not allow them to upset you, just keep going to MIND and keep filling in the forms.

    Now you are wondering why they have sent you a new ESA 50 while you are appealing ? surely these idiots would have the brains to realise you are appealing to get in to the support group you are thinking ?. The answer is NO this shower of clowns at ATOS do not know you are appealing to get in to the support group because that is not their remit, that is the responsibility of the shower of clowns at the DWP who take to do with all the appeals.

    Do you see what’s happening ? the DWP and ATOS have a very poor relationship in communication and as I said haven’t a clue what the other is doing so now that you know that, the best thing to do is fill in the new ESA 50 with the same information as the last time, getting MIND to help and wait to see what happens at the appeal whether you get in to the support group or not, what happens at the appeal will determine what you do next.

    By the way, no one is getting in to the support group automatically, everyone (unless they are virtually brain dead) is being forced to appeal if they want to get in to the support group, their idea is simple ? they know that a certain percentage will drop out of the process of appeal because they just can’t be bothered with the hassle anymore, and all that effort just to get in to the support group just isn’t worth all that effort that’s involved.

    You didn’t need to go for an assessment because the ATOS Dr has looked at your medical notes and decided you just didn’t need to attend, this is not for your benefit but for theirs, this is recent strategy by ATOS because a couple of years ago you would have had to attend a medical assessment and told you were fit for work, that was the strategy they employed then, but much has changed since then, and due to the efforts of this Blog and our sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.org as well as other Blogs and forums on the net the pressure on ATOS to get things right has borne fruit, they are still playing the madam don’t get me wrong, but they have conceded and more concessions are on the way and they will keep conceding if we keep putting pressure as much pressure on them as possible, the Labour MP Tom Greatrex has helped to point certain ATOS/DWP anomalies out in Parliament, and the recent Spartacus report has helped as well. Everyone is doing their part, it takes time, so bear with us and one day we will get what we always wanted and asked for which is just a ”fair assessment without hassle, an assessment that’s free from the stress and worry of constant appeals”. Meanwhile until we get these concessions we just have to play their game, but one day it will end believe me.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 13, 2012 @ 9:59 am

  185. I received a letter today 17th feb 2012 stating my e.s.a has been stopped as I received no points at my atos medical assesment. I’m going to appeal as is totally contradicts what I told the assesor during my hour and twenty minute assesment! I will continue to get medical notes during this time. Its a legnthy process,since I’ve been claiming this benefit even though my medical evidence states that the exact things they make u do I.e. Constant meetings and medicals is what aggravates my condition thus giving me no time whatsover in concentrating on getting better! I’m not ready to work yet. If I was given the correct help instead of continually being assesed maybe just maybe I could become a tax payer once again. I don’t see how a non medical proffesional in a profit making scheme can go above what my doctor says!

    Comment by lorraine johnson — February 17, 2012 @ 3:11 pm

  186. God I wish I had found this site 7 months ago!! I have noticed you deal mainly with ESA claims (which mine is in part) but I was hoping to get some advice about my claim. I cant register on the blacktriangle site from my mobile and dont have internet access at the moment. I started claiming DLA in 2006 for depression, anxiety, hiperhydrosis etc. After 5 years of different anti-depressants, anxiety pills, counselling and the like I was finally diagnosed a depressive bipolar and as having a mood disorder as well as my continued hiperhydrosis and severe IBS issues. Last july 2011 I had to send in my normal 3 yearly re-claim…… Which they lost :-( I had no letter to state my DLA was being stopped or the severe disability premium I got attached to my ESA. My first knowledge of this was when my ESA payment was £110 short. After calling and discovering that my DLA form was “not received” I of course filled a new one out immediately and sent it recorded delivery (which I proceeded to do with every piece I have sent since). After 8 weeks I had a letter stating that they were sorry for the delay but were waiting on a report from my GP. Eventually after dozens of calls and 14 weeks I had a letter to say the decision maker had decided based upon the information on my claim form and my doctors report I wasnt entitled to any DLA at all. As im sure you can imagine this hasnt exactly been productive for my health, I honestly never thought I could be this poor or this low!! Although I seem to be more resiliant than I thought, surviving 6 months without heating or hot water nor being able to do a proper food shop has not killed me yet……. Emphasis on the yet!! After getting the decision and several more fraught phone calls I decided to appeal straight away and not bother with a reconsideration. I asked for copies of my doctors report so I could use its contents to write my appeal. I was advised that it could take up to 3 weeks for them to send these. I then had a letter saying that because I had requested this info then I had extra time to appeal, up until 12/12/2011. After 3 weeks the copies of reports had not turned up and after a few calls I found out the request for them had been lost. I eventually received them on 8th december. My doctor had written 19 words on a 6 page questionaire. She stated basic facts and gave no other information. For example. Question. Please give details of the effects of the disabling condition(s) on day to day life. (A) Self care – for example, washing, dressing, feeding, using the toilet, continence, ability to rise from a chair and ability to communicate. (B) Insight and awareness of danger. (C) Ability to get around including pain, gait, balance, breathlessness, visual loss and communication difficulties. My doctor has answered (A) Can self care (B) Has insight (C) Can get about. This meant that in my appeal I could explain that the decision had obviously only taken my doctors report into consideration as my claim form was incredibly detailed about how my conditions affect my life and those doctors answers were just barely answering the questions. I sent the appeal again by recorded delivery and have proof of delivery on 12th december – the exact day they needed it by. Sure enough a week later I had a letter a week later saying my appeal was outside the time limits allowed. I filled out yet another form saying why it was late (it wasnt) and enclosed a highlighted copy of the letter I had giving extra appeal time. I was told the appeal would take around 12 weeks (i am aware this is a very ‘flexible’ time frame) which is around the 5th March 2012. In all honesty I have prepared myself for a negative response. Ive nearly given up so many times due to the constant blunders at DWP, being sick of repeating myself and just everything being too much to deal with on top of my illnesses but I refuse to give in and let them win. I just wondered if there would be anything more I could do after this? I have a record of everyone Ive ever spoke to at DWP, dates, times, names and content of calls. Thanks. Emma

    Comment by Emma — February 20, 2012 @ 3:27 pm

  187. Hello Emma.

    It looks as if your Dr is not very supportive ? neither was mine and he used to work for ATOS in to the bargain, I had to go to another GP in the surgery for a medical report because the ex ATOS GP wouldn’t do it, and instead gave me a scribbled letter with around a dozen words on it, he just refused outright to examine me or give me a decent honest medical report, a report he would be getting paid for by the way, so it left me with a problem and I solved it by writing a two page letter of complaint to the other DR who was more Senior, I highlighted the fact that I was having to degrade myself by asking that GP for a report, also mentioned he couldn’t give a toss about my health or listened to a word I said and so on.
    The other GP saw my problem and decided to give me a full examination followed by a medical report that was fit to present to a tribunal, which he charged £150 from the taxpayer. It did help me win my case at the tribunal.

    So if your GP isn’t playing the game then I can suggest you either arrange an appointment with another GP preferably more senior in your surgery or do what I was prepared to do and that is JUST LEAVE and go to another practice, if you do this then a medical examination is on the cards because you are a new patient, would also be a good time to ask for an honest report on your health to present to a future appeal tribunal.

    The last thing you need is an unsupportive GP (Probably a Tory voter) because dealing with the DWP is hard enough as you have found out by experience, they must be the most incompetent Government Department ever, every office from the top of Britain to the bottom packed with idiots, losing everything, sick lines, ESA 50s, ESA 85s and so on, they just infuriate me no end.
    If you try to explain to people what they are like no one believes you, it’s about time they got their finger out and start doing what they are paid to do which is help genuine people who are ill.

    So Emma if they refuse to accept your appeal because of their incompetence then a good idea is to send a letter to your MP and ask him/her if it is normal to be refused a right to defend yourself at a tribunal because the DWP will not recognise or concede you were given an extension by them and instead of honouring their word have decided to renege instead.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 20, 2012 @ 4:17 pm

  188. They did accept my appeal. They couldnt very well refuse to when I had proof that I was given an extension and in time for that. I think it helped that I named who I spoke with at DLA and what they had said to me. I had a letter a couple of weeks ago saying they were waiting on a report from my consultant so hopefully they will be a bit more forthcoming than my gp. I stopped seeing my gp a while ago as she became disinterested and unhelpful – a fact that I also stated in the appeal. It is absolutely ridiculous the way they ‘run’ their offices. Everybody is contradicting each other. In one phone call last october I was told by the first person that my doc report had been received and id get a decision within 2 weeks. The next person said the doc report hadnt been received at all but they had chased it up. The third person told me that they hadnt even requested the blinking doctors report in the first place!! I swear nobody has any idea what they are doing!! The real irony is that had it not been for a cock-up with my medical in 2010 I would have been to college and come off benefits by now. I REALLY hate having to rely on the government for money but what employer in their right mind would employ me – who may need to take a few days off with no notice because im either on a manic high or crashing low. Who will probably subject my collegues to swinging mood changes. Who will faint if I overheat in any way or even if I dont overheat ill still be constantly sweating regardless of the temperature – over somebody who doesnt have any of these issues. And you have to be upfront about them too. After I was finally diagnosed as bipolar and put on the right medication (it gives a lovely zombify-ness and an average of 16 hours sleep a night/day – but it really does level me out) I had geared myself up to brave the public, the strangers and the environment to go back to college and train as a beauty therapist so I could work for myself and avoid being around too many people at once. But because my medical was messed up and had to be repeated I missed the start of the college year as DWP refused to allow me to start the course until the medical report was back or else I would lose my benefits. I couldnt start the course last year because of all this stuff with my DLA, I was neither in the right frame of mind to do anything nor able to afford the extras id need to pay out. Its so degrading and draining to have to basically beg for help all the time. Its like the last few years of my life have been spent on a repeat cycle and every day is groundhog day…… Without the amusing bits :-S

    Comment by Emma — February 20, 2012 @ 5:22 pm

  189. Hello Emma.

    They could refuse to accept your appeal and that’s one of the problems with the DWP they think they are a law unto themselves, it’s difficult for us because they know that outside help isn’t very forthcoming, and any time they are challenged by someone with some authority like an MP, then they chicken out and say something like ”Oh there must have been a mistake”, basically they are bullies, have you seen the 1971 Stanford experiment ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbax9v9N_bU go on and have a look and see what human beings are capable of once they are in possession of a bit of power, it’s chilling..!!.
    And I believe that’s what’s happened to ATOS and the DWP, been granted a little bit of power over other folks lives and it’s gone to their heads.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 20, 2012 @ 6:09 pm

  190. Someone told me over the wkend that DWP workers have been / or will be paid bonuses? Does anyone know more on this matter?

    Comment by Anonymous — February 21, 2012 @ 6:28 am

  191. Thats is what i did went to another GP and he knows me very well within the same practice he thought it was disgraceful that i got turned down with 12 points were i could of picked up at least 18 points to be placed in the work related group
    Its been nearly 2 Mouths Now I Have Had No Letter from DWP saying we have agnollege your appeal

    My doctor also said make sure that your mom deals with it for you as she can explain to them the stuff i have problems with

    Comment by colin — February 21, 2012 @ 7:55 am

  192. Hello Anon.

    That’s interesting, and as far as I know there is no reliable information on whether the DWP get bonuses or not, it wouldn’t surprise me if they did, and if they do receive bonuses for carrying out their dreadful work then I believe it should be in the public interest to know exactly what they have or have not to do to receive these bonuses. If anyone out there has any information regarding DWP bonuses and what these bonuses are for then any such information would be appreciated..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 21, 2012 @ 8:50 am

  193. Hello Colin.

    You haven’t heard from the DWP in two months regarding your appeal ? I hope you are getting at least the assessment rate while you await their reconsideration ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 21, 2012 @ 9:04 am

  194. Yea i am getting the Basic Rate do anyone know how long i will be waiting to at least get a letter from DWP for what the next step of my Apeal is going to be
    Tribunal or Win without a Tribunal

    I never even received an acknowledgement from dwp to say we are looking into it or anything just wondering whats going on

    Comment by colin — February 21, 2012 @ 10:30 am

  195. Hello Colin.

    The DWP are never in a hurry to tell us anything, they can acknowledge you in a couple of weeks or months, it’s all to suit them, I can tell you they will not forget you though, so it’s all down to patience until you hear from them.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 21, 2012 @ 2:22 pm

  196. Further to the bonuses I found the following links…..

    http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/re_51_million_pounds_paid_in_dwp and


    Hope this Helps,


    Comment by Anonymous — February 21, 2012 @ 8:29 pm

  197. Thanks Anonymous, we will have a look..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 21, 2012 @ 9:22 pm

  198. Hello Anon.

    I see in the FOI request the DWP have dodged the question which was what are these bonuses for and who gets them, replying that two departments get them, totally unacceptable answer.

    On the PCS page it is slightly more clear, these bonuses are performance related in the different bands conveniently not mentioning what kind of performance is to be expected to receive a bonus.

    I strongly suspect that the bonus system runs along the lines of the more people they deny benefits to the more bonus one receives, and the more poor souls they can con in to accepting voluntary workfare and preferably at the same time find a way to deny that poor soul benefits because they didn’t comply with some obscure rule or regulation.


    Comment by dwpexamination — February 21, 2012 @ 9:39 pm

  199. I suspect you’re right…nothing surprises me with this inept organisation!!

    Moving slightly away from the disability aspect, (apologies) I find the bonus information rather ludicrous, particularly as some Civil Service departments have experienced ‘pay freezes’, ‘removal of bonuses’ and ‘job losses’…Now, lets look at the NHS reforms…or perhaps not as this will only incense us, I’m sure!!…

    So, whilst we all despair, the DWP bask in glorious performance related bonuses which we all know is BullS*** as surely they are ‘thee worst performing government owned organisation’ in the whole of the UK!

    Who should we blame for this?


    Comment by Anonymous — February 22, 2012 @ 11:37 pm

  200. Some say the secretary of state is to blame, all decision makers act on his behalf they all make their decisions in his name, even though the decision makers know that their decisions are cruel and inhuman they justify these inhuman decisions because they claim it isn’t really them who makes them but the Secretary of state, this is how they can get to sleep at night, the old ”I WAS ONLY FOLLOWING ORDERS NONSENSE” Google the Milgram experiment in fact here it is here in a modern repeat of the original, http://www.google.co.uk/url?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DBcvSNg0HZwk&rct=j&sa=X&ei=tyBGT8nVC5CFhQeNhe2hDg&ved=0CCcQuAIwAA&q=the+milgram+experiment+video&usg=AFQjCNGFo1tKBVdo8y7wd2tb4GXDecedYA&cad=rja for a full explanation and demonstration how human beings can justify cruelty as long as someone higher up is prepared to accept responsibility.
    So the DWP cannot be allowed to say I was only following orders, they, just like the mass murderers at Nuremberg must also accept that they have a thinking brain of their own and therefore any harm caused to disabled or ill people through their erroneous life and death decisions should also be shouldered by them as well as the Secretary of State.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 23, 2012 @ 8:41 am

  201. Bad news folks, last night an alleged attempt to take over the Government in a beer hall Putsch was ruthlessly squashed, Eric Jones Labour MP was arrested and detained for headbutting and punching some like the cat that got the cream smirking Tory Members of Parliament.

    For Gods sake what’s this Country coming too, all the guy did was bash a few Tory skulls, the man is a hero and he deserves a bleeding medal not taken to the cells like a common criminal..!!


    Comment by dwpexamination — February 23, 2012 @ 11:15 am

  202. Hi I’m Lisa writing for my mother ‘ she can’t use Internet or phone due to tenosynovitis’ & shoulder & neck pain . She has just failed a incapacity medical’ they say she can lift item such as milk carton (she can’t) put her hand up & over her shoulder (she can’t) the list hoes on . Not once does it mention any point for not being able to dress & wash her self ‘ can’t do house work the list is endless ‘ can any one help please

    Comment by Lisa — February 26, 2012 @ 1:56 pm

  203. Hi Lisa.

    Your mum needs to appeal, since you know what the ATOS Dr said about her this must mean she is in possession of the ESA 85 ATOS assessment report, that’s good and a start, next you need to get what’s called a GL 24 appeal form, you can pick one up from any DWP office.

    Remember before she was called for the assessment she filled in an ESA 50 questionnaire ? well compare what she said on there with what the ATOS Dr said on the ESA 85, on the GL 24 appeal form you will see a small box for the appeal, use that box as an introduction to the appeal, as in ”I wish to appeal against your decision that finds me fit for work, I believe I have shown evidence in my GPs report, and along with the oral evidence both which I provided at my ATOS assessment on (Insert date) that proves my fitness for work is severely limited.

    Also add at the end that you would like to be paid at the assessment rate while waiting for the appeal to be heard, if you don’t ask them you don’t get any money, you need to ask them they will not tell you that you are entitled to the assessment rate, but tell you to sign on instead.

    Then get A4 paper and number all the descriptors you are contending and describe how you cannot reach and how it affects your functional ability, go through everything that affects her health and also affects her ability to work. For instance I cannot hold or lift such and such because of severe pain and discomfort. Describe everything that’s relevant, I cannot lift my arm up, again because the pain and severe discomfort inhibits me from doing so. Naturally you will have your own way of describing your health issues.
    On each page make sure they are numbered and a good idea would be to put your National insurance number on each page as well, they have a habit of losing things at the DWP.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 26, 2012 @ 3:39 pm

  204. Thank you for your reply’ if I phone up for her Monday ‘ can they over turn the decision on the phone ??? If not how long do appeals usually take’ & how successful are they ‘ my mother has been on this benefit for thirty years ‘ if she does not win her appeal I worry who would employer her ???? But I really for the life of me see what job she could do as when she is really bad with pain ‘ I have to wash dress her etc’ cut food up basically do everything for her’ she gets very depressed over this . Thanks again destessed Lisa :)

    Comment by Lisa — February 26, 2012 @ 3:49 pm

  205. So sorry I ment to ask how much that benefit is that you spoke about ??? Will her d.l.a. & industrial injuries benefit be stopped while her appeal is going on ?? Her D.L.A states indefinitely on it . Thanks again ‘ yr help is most appreciated . Lisa :)

    Comment by Lisa — February 26, 2012 @ 4:06 pm

  206. Hi Lisa.

    The chances of overturning the decision on the phone is virtually nil I’m afraid. the DWP don’t do sob stories or any kind of sympathy, they are like the Pharaoh Ramses his heart was cold and he wouldn’t let Moses people go, in other words the DWP are like that…cruel and heartless, anyway you must have a letter saying she has been found fit for work otherwise you would not have the ESA 85 ?.

    You have to appeal then, there’s no way round it, unless a miracle happens it’s possible but I’m not seeing it, I know the DWP so well.
    The assessment rate is only £65 something a week and paid fortnightly, but you get your rent rebate and council tax rebate so you will be no worse of than a JSA claimant.
    There has been different reports regarding this DLA business, some people report that their DLA stopped after an ESA test and others say they were not effected, there doesn’t seem to be any rhyme or reason with the DWP.
    One thing is clear though everyone on DLA working or not working will have to face this nonsense of a test sooner or later, it’s just a matter of time.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 26, 2012 @ 4:31 pm

  207. Do the appeals take long’ & is best going to dial for help with the forms & help etc . Thank you once again for your much needed help

    Comment by Lisa — February 26, 2012 @ 4:48 pm

  208. Hello Lisa.

    An appeal can take an average of 9 months, could be longer or shorter depends on how busy they are, and at the moment they are very busy and that’s likely to continue for a while yet.
    Yes it’s better to get support in filling in forms, my suggestions are in case you don’t get anything and you are stuck on your own without any help, go to dial then.
    Where I stay it’s almost impossible to get help because there are far to many people appealing, and so in early 2009 I had to start from the beginning and learn the hard way, if you can get help then take it, but remember don’t delay because you only have a month to get it to them, the DWP don’t tolerate late returns, and gives them an excuse to mess you around even more..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 26, 2012 @ 6:51 pm

  209. Hello all my name is lyn i left two comments on the 13th feb..Thank you so much for your reply.i forgot about my comments this is due to memory problems caused by meningitis..And when i,m going through reading the comments i came across mine read them then realized that this person has the same problems as me only to then realize it was me… Anyway the reason why i,m here today is because after having many tearful talks with my brother and him seeing first hand the effects of the intentional psychological damage its had on me he suggested to think of a personal name for the ones causing the damage ..example…write down just received another letter/form, from the c—s…if it doesnt work for you it may help as they are all faceless and nameless and do not care about you….by the way i just got yet another grey paged nazi interrigation form today from the C—S Heres a message for the c—s i,m not giving up!

    Comment by lyn — February 28, 2012 @ 11:50 am

  210. I’m having problems using the hole of this site ‘ ie not good with computers HELP I want to no help with tribunral

    Comment by Lisa — February 28, 2012 @ 1:25 pm

  211. Hi Lyn.

    We try and answer every ask for help, that’s why we are here, we don’t want anyone going through this dreadful ATOS/DWP process to feel they are alone, abandoned or left on the scrapheap.
    The truth is you are not alone thousands and thousands of genuine people are having to endure this ATOS nonsense, I myself have received the letter with the questionnaire from ATOS and just filled it in, I am in no hurry to send it though, but my return has to be with them by the 7th of March (I think) so I will hand it in personally to the ATOS shop tomorrow or the next day, when it suits me not when it suits them…LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 28, 2012 @ 1:27 pm

  212. Doescevery body have to go to tribunral ??? Or are there cases that are over turned before this stage ??? My mother is so stressed about all this ‘ I’m trying to find out as much info 4 her as poss ‘ her medical did not reflect what shevwas asked ‘ & a lot of the questions did not fit in to the boxes of my mothers illness ie tenosyatious or how ever you spell it ‘ it’s her wrists + she has neck & shoulder problems ‘ on what my mother answered she should of at least got 15 points & more

    Comment by Lisa — February 28, 2012 @ 1:31 pm

  213. I dont know the answer to that one sorry, i,m waiting to go myself and i feel terrified,i dont know why..its the way they make you feel.,i,ve got nothing to hide so therefore i should be able to relax but because of the way they treat you it actually makes any health conditions much worse .so really they are just shooting themselves in the foot…. With my sister in laws medical results my brother went through it and with a red felt tip pen put a cross next to wrong answer and wrote the word FALSE, which a lot of these so called medical people and their results are….Tell your mum to try and take deep breathes ..think of them [not the tribunal] as c—s…just dont say it out loud..tell your mum its not her fault that she has a debilitating condition and above all else DO NOT LET ANYONE TRIVIALISE THAT HEALTH CONDITION. because its not them that has to struggle every minute of every day with it…sorry but i sometimes get a bit angry, but my brother says this is a good thing..and when i think about it over the last few months i,ve cried so much, i even had these C—s on my back the day i came out of hospital with a deep incision in the middle of my chest still groggy from the anesthetic…They dont care, so you have to… dont let them blind you with words or put words into your mouth..answer questions based on your worse days because if you have a degenerative disease then unfortunately its going to always be like that one day…….I have heard that decisions can be reversed before a tribunal.. but dont take my word for it…

    Comment by lyn — February 28, 2012 @ 3:15 pm

  214. Not that I want to frighten anyone, but as a close member of my family has had hip replacements (and is also currently experiencing the scrutinies which many of you are experiencing here), I found this news article on hip replacements… If anyone wants to know more, Newsnight on BBC2 shown on Tuesday 28 February at 1030pm explores the issue further.


    Comment by Anonymous — February 28, 2012 @ 10:38 pm

  215. Hello Anonymous.

    Thanks for pointing that BBC 2 programme out for us, we know all about people with hip replacements being messed around by ATOS/DWP, it gets worse, people who are brain damaged, people who have lung cancer, people who can hardly walk because they have had a brain tumour have had their benefits stopped and at the same time told by these dreadful people they are fit for work..!!
    Yes I know it’s hard to believe, I know it’s difficult to get your head round and I wouldn’t blame you if you didn’t believe it, but take it from me, it’s true..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 28, 2012 @ 11:16 pm

  216. Just wondering,at the tribunal would I be permitted to request that each member informs me of what political party they support? Simply because I feel that if the panel should contain conservatives then I don,t think that,s acceptable in light of what they are doing to people.I feel we/I would not get a fare hearing so to speak..I know this is probably a catch 22 question though because the conservatives seem incapable.of telling the truth…so how would I know? do they have to swear to some kind of oath first? maybe I could ask after that?….what do you all think. would it come under the freedom of information act even?

    Comment by lyn — February 29, 2012 @ 1:59 pm

  217. Hello Lyn.

    I suppose if you asked any of them what political party they supported they would look upon it as cheek, even though you have a point, they don’t see it that way. Bear in mind that there are New labour supporters who espouse the same claptrap as the Conservatives, so finding out whether they are or are not Conservatives wouldn’t do you much good.
    I think you would find that if you asked that question the answer would be something like ”Well now Lyn, I don’t think that’s relevant, after all we are impartial” so you would be no further on in knowledge than when you first started, and probably get the appeal of to a bad start.
    It’s best to attend and act as if you are not too bright, they will ask some functional health questions with regard to ability to work, answer them as honestly as you can and show some written support from your GP and hope they see sense..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 29, 2012 @ 3:38 pm

  218. yes I see what you mean its just the naive part of me thinks I can,and my thoughts runaway with me…but I can understand now how that might go down like a lead balloon..do you know if the people who have had ‘medicals’ and those that haven,..t are seen by the same type of tribunal? or would it be different in some way.,and if i can ask you also you might remember i said about getting another Nazi form even though i have appealed..,,,i have filled it in and now just waiting for mind to add yet another note..Thing is with the first one where it said about face 2 face i thought sod that no,why should i have to stress myself out trying to get somewhere when i,m so bloody unwell? so i put in the box that i want a home visit,,,,as you know i got changed to esa.and some little sneak had decided to put me in the work group..? appealed….now on this second form i have put exactly the same.and also put home visit only…..when they get this can they now send me for a medical? my brother says he don,t see how they would do that,but i dont put nothing past them…they are so callous…I will try and research how to protect myself just in case they do…maybe legal advice is needed…This has been an awful few months and i know it has been for most people.I feel so sorry for everyone ,what they are being put through..its like all the worst ugliest,biggest school bullies rolled into one… The tribunal place is just five minutes way so that,s not a problem but the ‘medical’place is 30 miles away..and the only longest journey i have to do is about 4miles and that,s hospital to go on the heart monitor so i don,t have a choice but that wears me out for days after…sorry to go on just trying to explain why i said home visit.just remembered another thing you know when they phone you and say i have to tell you that this call is recorded…i said ok..but then at the end of the call i said oh by the way my calls are recorded….which they sometimes are because of nuisance calls…but they did nt like it told me its against some act or other…oh..they can ..you cant…don,t think so…really going now..sorry.

    Comment by lyn — March 1, 2012 @ 12:05 am

  219. Hi Lyn.

    You mentioned advice ? why aren’t you trying to find a welfare rights office or CAB ? you said Mind ? can they help ? surely there must be something in your area ?

    Yes it’s the same tribunal whether you’ve had a medical or not. if it’s for sickness benefits then it’s the same, what I can tell you is if you are put in the WRAG that’s the work group then I’m not joking Lyn you should accept it, appealing just to get in to the support group is not very fruitful if you win, so if you lose that appeal don’t be surprised and don’t let it bother you.
    The WRAG (work group) just means at the worst a call to go for an interview on how they can help you find work in the future when you are feeling better, it’s around a 20 minute interview and they cannot force you to take a job when you are unwell.

    As for recording your calls ? well you have every right to record calls because you have had Idiots in the past trying to phone and annoy you, and you were honest and told them that the call was being recorded you weren’t being sneaky, so what are they going to do about it ?, I think you will find there is nothing they could do, recording calls on your personal phone is not against any law or regulation they are talking rubbish..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 1, 2012 @ 8:13 am

  220. I have read everyone’s situations and feel so uplifted to see i am not the only one like a fly in the ointment in the DWP system. I mean not a nice situation to be in but hopefully if everyone fights against this system of making peoples lives a misery things may change. I agree if people do nothing, they win, and the fat cats just keeping getting fatter. It would appear that no matter what ailments people are suffering from the medical assessment report will show everyone with 0 points. Benefits will stop .People who fight aginst the decision get told to appeal on a GL24 form. More form filling. Then you get told it will be 6 months before the appeal is looked at , what do people do in the meantime. Beg and Borrow it seems.
    I have worked all my life paid taxes and ni contributions but now found myself with nothing apart from my fantastic children. I fought agains bankrupcy, and reposession of my house after 6 years of battling.I then lost my job and became unemployed for the first time in my life. I played ball with everyone with honesty but it dosent count for anything, DWP don’t care if i go under my kids will to. My kids are why i keep fighting, even though thing are drastic. . Fight for what you believe in and dont be scared. Watch the news, corruption is everywhere.

    Comment by Annette Bennett — March 2, 2012 @ 12:59 pm

  221. Hello Annette.

    If you are appealing you can claim the assessment rate, you don’t have to go without money, the DWP don’t tell you that you are entitled to the assessment rate because they don’t want you to know.
    And you are right you are not the only one, there are thousands and thousands being messed around with these people.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 2, 2012 @ 2:17 pm

  222. well said Annette,I,m sorry but not Suprised to hear they have given you such a bad time…i agree to fight .trouble is when you have certain illnesses you don,t get much energy,so although I keep trying to find that fight i am also Passing out all over the place…but am not going to give up…just in case it kills me…I have made a video of every aspect ,[and believe me some have been quite terrible]..I will continue to add to this and it has instructions to be sent to certain media……because they cannot be allowed to treat genuine people like they do and then get away with it…someone has to be responsible,I think that Cameron and co will go down in history as the most cruel Government that were responsible for in effect murder on a grand scale..I wish you well and am happy that you have the support of your family…

    Comment by lyn — March 2, 2012 @ 2:31 pm

  223. Do many people get there benefit over turned before an appeal ?????? I have just sent all my mothers pap per work off’ photos of her hands & wrist very swollen & red’ she suffers with tenosyovitis & shoulder pain ‘ & a two month sick note ‘ the doctor is happy to send another 1 if need be & surport her

    Comment by Lisa — March 2, 2012 @ 5:19 pm

  224. The honest reply is not very many Lisa, they are in the business of taking not giving, of course they have an excuse to ease their conscious, which is Iain Duncan Smith and Chris Grayling told us to do it..!! to avoid disappointment expect then to send a letter saying we have considered your appeal etc and you are still fit for work..!! If that happens phone them and also send a letter to confirm that you still wish to carry on with the appeal to the tribunal…Thank you very much.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 2, 2012 @ 6:41 pm

  225. thank you for providing a web site and helping your fellow human beings, like you I also like to help people in trouble, and giving you advice on what to look out
    for regarding the policies of Mr Duncan Smith, My Story, I am currently on benefits, I was injured by a drunk driver had some other health problems and was
    awarded I.B and DVLA, I got compenasation through a court and a back payment on benefit of several thousand pounds, the benefits agency witheld my
    compensation until any monies were deducted to pay them benefits, they released the monies left under the CRC proceedures, indicating my benefits were not
    means tested and authorised release of my payments, prior to this I had undergone a 3 year appeal which I won on the basis of “Maladministration” of the
    benefits proceedure, I was told that my award was none means tested and not effected by savings, I subsequently saved some of my monie as my qualifications
    were revoked due to illness, prior to this I was a qualified PSV, HGV Driver, qualified fork lift and side loader driver, I also held medical certificates as a qualified
    air diver, these were all refused after my illness on grounds of my medical condition, by the govenment and health authority, during my time on benefit I was
    told I could work 16 hours a week and earn up to 20 pound per week, I went to colleage for 4 years and became a qualified photo-journalist, I have continued
    study of journalisim up to 2009, but had two massive heart attacks requiring emergency surgery, I have not been good since that time as my heart was badly
    damaged, I am no longer capable of long physical work as my body becomes totally exhausted and it effects my heart. I recently got a letter from the benefits
    agency wanting details about my compensation going back to 2007, I contacted them and found they had interfered with my benefit history and deleted in-
    formation from the computor and added false details in relation to my type of benefit, ie, they altered a none means tested benefit, IB to a means tested
    benefit IC, they did this without any medical and have effectively overuled a tribunal court, they had not told me before what they had done, little did they know
    I had kept all the files going back to 2006, when I confrounted them with this, they claimed they had found my other records and confirmed I was on IB, but
    stated IB did not pay me enough in law, they had no option to top up with IC by a few pounds per week, I explained they should have told me this, and it contradicted what I had been told is years earlier, I am now subject to investigation by them and tax office I have done nothing wrong, followed their instructions
    and alway’s told the tax office about my compensation payments, which are now below 10,000, the point I wish to make is, the benefits office are effectively
    in my opinion criminally altering past data and facts on computors to stop peoples or reduce previously awarded benefits, they are doing this in a very crafty
    and deceptive way, and working on the basis that people may not keep records of the benefits and awards they were being previously paid, I would therefore
    advise all claimants to KEEP RECORDS OF THEIR BENEFITS, I now the government and the police refer to people like us as paracites and scoungers, but
    I must say I would rather be driving trucks again and diving, doing the things I used to enjoy and earning monie, being on benefits is like living like prisoners
    in a concentration camp in the 1930′s, no future, no holiday’s, just a day to day existance of state abuse and degrading treatment, obviously the tories do not
    frighten me, and if again I have to done broadsword and do battle in or corrupted courts then so be it, to the death if necessary. I make a point, do not let this
    tory govenment deny you of your rights, they will try any means to do, even resorting to crime, keep records of your entitlements and be prepared for attacks
    on your benefits. I hope my experience and article will help many victims currently trapped in a life of benefits, May God Bless you All and Protect your basic
    rights.Carl Fenn.

    Comment by Carl Fenn — March 3, 2012 @ 5:14 am

  226. Hello Friends, I have made three sucessful appeals against the DWP, I want to tell you what to look out for and the crafty criminal practices you may come up
    with during the appeal, concerning medical evidence and other documents you are allowed to present in law, run a check on any sent to the DWP during their
    initial appeal stage, ie, adjudication officer descison, I warn you, they will withold as much of this evidence as they can to win the case, try and deliver this by
    hand or get someone to do it for you, get a signature if possible, they will claim you did not sent it or it has been lost, be aware of alterations to state records
    during the appeal and deletions of evidence, you can in law claim maladministration if they delete evidence that would have made your claim valid, be aware
    if they summon you for a medical, and the doctor writes a false report about what went on during the medical or witholds evidence about your condition, give
    challenge about his dishonesty, I called him a deceptive liar, and inidicated he should defend my allegations, he failed to turn up at the hearing as I could
    conclusively prove what he had done, where doctors write a report you look fit and healthy, argue, that what you may look like is nothing to do with your con-
    dition regarding internal organs, request the tribunal disregard any such evidence as unreliable, if the DWP asks you if you have any hobbies or try to obtain
    information about your private life, do not provide it, do not confess to questions you have been involved in sport, go swiming or ride a bike or drive a car, they
    will use this to say you are fit for work, do not, I QUOTE do not underestimate the decptions the will use to stop your payments, trust No GP on the payroll
    of the benefits office, many of them are right wing, and see you as a paracite privately, they will do you no favours, remember the more they save the state
    the more they can claim in greedy obese pensions for themselves, why do think so many doctors have become multi-millionares of late, they know things are
    tight, and by saving monie they secure their own greedy existance, and fat pensions, they look down on claimants and abuse you rights, alway’s check their
    reports, you will be shocked at what they write and withold during appeals, if you find this is the case, make a seperate report yourself and present this as
    evidence giving details of treatment and drugs, keep copies of all prescriptons, they will deny you are being treated and in some cases withold details, just
    remember any independent appeals service can only rule on the evidence you provide to them, provide everything, I am aware in Norwich some retarded
    people have been hoodwinked by the office, I have seen cases where they have compiled dodgey reports where people cannot read very well, I advised them
    to appeal and they have won thousands, one person know gets three benefits when I pointed out the doctors act was criminal, in claiming he was very when
    in fact he was very ill. I hope I have been able to help some of you. I am going to bed now as it is very late, May god bring you victory over them. Good luck.
    Your Friend Carl Fenn.

    Comment by Carl Fenn — March 3, 2012 @ 6:27 am

  227. Hello carl.

    Thanks very much for coming here and telling it how it is, and it’s all the truth, the amount of right wingers against us is astonishing. the DWP and all these ATOS DRs are nothing but liars, We on this Blog have been saying all this for years, we have been trying to get it across to people they are not your friends so beware of the false smiles, even the tribunals are rotten with corruption, one arm around your back in friendship and the other arm/hand is searching for a dagger.

    Yes Carl something has happened with the evidence at least at one of my tribunals, I can’t prove it but when I was there I got the impression that the appeal they had in front of them was different from the one I sent them, this was around the time last year when the tribunal service were letting the DWP and ATOS in the back door to tamper with peoples appeals, a criminal act and nothing was done about it.

    The appeal system is getting worse as well and the new descriptors have changed the goalposts, just yesterday one of our members on the forum was asked how far he could walk before he had to stop and rest he answered around 40 metres, and one of the panel said if you were in a wheelchair how far do you think you could propel it ?, he said I don’t know because Ive never been on a wheelchair but probably not very far because I have arthritis in my arms.

    I mean folks what in Gods name has ”can you propel a wheelchair ?” if you have never used one got to do with it ? obviously some clumsy attempt to catch people out is being enacted here.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 3, 2012 @ 10:41 am

  228. Hi , Thankyou for your reply. It would seem that it dosen’t matter what ailments people have, or if appeals are sent in with DR certificates, DWP seem to be able to get away with treating people the way they do.They score people with no points no matter what your illness is. I am concerned to read that there have already been 13 suicides, i read on the news today that David Cameron has said he cares ! What can be done to fight against this system legally. I am against people who scam the system and they should be caught and dealt with, but genuine people who have always been honest not to be be punished because of them. I am sending in another letter to DWP and my Doctor has written a letter as well to see if i can get their decision reversed, but after reading everyone’s comments, i fear it will be a waste of time.

    Comment by Annette Bennett — March 3, 2012 @ 6:43 pm

  229. Hi Annette.

    The whole purpose of scoring zero points or below 15 points is to force an appeal, they claim to have a strong desire to root out spongers, but the truth is they have already and long ago run out of spongers, all that’s left is genuine disabled and ill people, as for the so called spongers (There wasn’t that many of them anyway) they have long gave up, only the genuine are left.

    But like a runaway train they ATOS/DWP can’t stop, like Lions ripping up their prey they will keep going until there is nothing left, they don’t care if we kill ourselves or just drop out of the system and become non-entities, they want to put an end to any kind of benefits.

    Well we can try our best to stop them, Cameron is not long for this world let me tell you, the rest of the Country are starting to wake up and see what kind of madman he is, the next step is Nazism, let’s hope something happens to prevent that, given that he is going to do what he likes then we need a COUP TO GET RID OF HIM

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 3, 2012 @ 7:45 pm

  230. I had my fit to work letter 2 weeks ago.I suffer from bad depression .I have IBS bad which leads to incontinence and I’m also hard of hearing,The examiner said that I was lying and can hear perfectly! I was also scored 0 points.I lip read mostly as I lost my hearing aid but the horrible examiner would not let me explain, just said you havent got a hearing aid! I’ve been hard of hearing since 8 (now 48) I honestly cant handle this,I’ve not slept,I cry constantly and think the world would be better off without me! The only thing that stops me is I care for my agoraphobic mum, unpaid since 1998! I got penalised as I had to go to the examination centre on my own as theres only my mum and she couldnt go and by bus as could not afford a taxi as it was really far away. .I dont know what to do ,please help me!

    Comment by Julie — March 4, 2012 @ 12:46 pm

  231. I believe you…..lease contact your local MIND. tell them what,s been haPpening to you ..ask them to send someone to help you as soon as possible……please don,t give up X

    Comment by lyn — March 4, 2012 @ 1:20 pm

  232. Julie…Just to let you know and keep you in the picture, you will not get points for hearing problems if you can lip read !!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 4, 2012 @ 1:32 pm

  233. JULIE…I have been feeling exactly the same..its horrible i know as do thousands of others..have you got a good doctor,by this i mean a doctor that actually looks up from what they are doing and listens..if not ..STOP TALKING until you have their full attention..Ask them to write you a letter of support .also listing your health problems…If you need an up to date hearing test as proof most opticians do them for free just ask for the results after….The plonker that did your medical had no right to say that to you.DO NOT ALLOW ANYONE TO TRIVIALISE YOUR HEALTH CONDITIONS its you that has to live with them not them!!! Is your depression in your medical files? if not make sure your doctor has it recorded..And please do contact MIND..if you have a MIND office near you better still if its a walk in …or please phone them..i did..and i,m glad i did….i think maybe you should be receiving some kind of allowance for the care of your mum? MIND also have their own welfare rights so ask them about it….TO END IF THE SAID PLONKER ACTUALLY SAID TO YOU THAT YOU LIED YOU CAN TAKE THEM TO TASK ABOUT THAT…COMPLAIN…..BUT GET THIS FIRST LOT OUT OF THE WAY FIRST….Just to end years ago when i had a medical the plonker there said he thought that my Anklosing Spondylitis wasnt that bad, apparently he is now mangled up in a wheelchair…..[i know someone that indirectly works for the dwp] thats how i got to hear about it….its true what they say..what goes around , comes around….

    Comment by lyn — March 4, 2012 @ 1:51 pm

  234. I commented here on the 25th of October and found some sound advice and help I have followed the further comments, and it has disgusted me just how these ATOS people and the DWP have treated the ones that need to most help and assistance, I’ve sat back and watched people that “Claim” everything that they can, and get it, without a question asked, I’m here tonight because I’m ashamed to say “I’m at my lowest and have given up, I’ve given up on the letters sent, and the non reply’s, the phone calls, the pleading with my doctor to do something about it, but what gets me most is the needless waiting for the non exhisting phone call to say, “We hear You”, but I know that’s not coming,I’ve been living on pennies, trying to make them stretch further, I eat once a day, my luxury is toilet paper, a neighbour, a complete stranger brought me a plate of food this evening, and I took it, I have been given no choice and this is what it has come to, ” when the pity of others, is something that you grasp onto and your pride takes second place, if you can…. hold onto the fact that one day it might get just that little bit easier, I have faith in that you are all stronger than me, and that such a small site like this can and will give you hope and an answer, this site had given me the strength to hold on as long as I have, and has given people out there the most amazing insight and assistance, All I have to offer is my Love and Respect for all involved on here, You helped me, when I had no one and I thank You for that, but I’m really Tired now, and I think it’s about time my fight has to take a back seat. With all my heart and soul, Each and every one of you……take a deep breath and fight with every breath you have, In this wee Scottish lass she has faith that “You Can Do It” .

    Comment by Laura — March 4, 2012 @ 10:53 pm

  235. Hello Laura.

    There’s no need for you to give up that’s what they want you to do, you can fight on, and you can get plenty of help here on the forum as well as moral support and ways to get through this hell, pick a username and log in http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ to lots of folk in the same boat as yourself.

    I hope your getting some sort of money ?, there’s no need to do without money ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 4, 2012 @ 11:17 pm

  236. Between Rent, Council Tax and Gas and Elec, I have under £100 a month to live on, that doesn’t entail monthly travel to get me to and from appointments and other immediate needs, that doctors wont prescribe, believe me if it wasn’t for the help this site has given me, I think I’d have thrown the towel in a long while ago, all I can do is admit the defeat now, god only knows when or if someone from the DWP/Atos will grow a pair and contact me, I’m all done in, my friend, Thank you for giving me the opportunity to have a place to go to air my circumstance and I owe you a lot. In fact I owe you a lot more than any other, you gave me the tools and the back up to go as far as I did. I thank you with what energy I have left in my body and soul.

    Comment by Laura — March 4, 2012 @ 11:45 pm

  237. Hello Laura.

    What’s your circumstances at the moment ? are you appealing ? are you being re-assessed ? what’s happening ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 5, 2012 @ 5:07 am

  238. Following a heart attack i had a heart by pass in 1992 followed by 3 more heart operation resulting in 6 stent in my heart latest in 2009..I suffer from angina,back and leg pain and i get short of breath with smallest activity.i have been on incapacity and income support since 2006.i am 57 years old.
    Following my medical assesment i had a phone call from benefit office saying i am fit to work and my benefit will stop from 17/03/2012.I informed them that i wish to appeal and he said if i can only get basice ESA of £67.50 but i need to get a doctor certificate and send it to them.
    Does anyone know if this correct and i do need a new sick note.i am seeing my gp tomorrow .does anyone know how long this sick note should be for.they said other option is to apply for JSA but i do not want to do this eventhough i am going to loose around £30 a week untill the appeal is heard.Please advise me if you can.thanks.

    Comment by fereydon — March 5, 2012 @ 3:45 pm

  239. Hello fereydon.

    Yes it’s true, you will have to provide a sicknote from the date the DWP informed you that you were fit for work, since the appeal is going to take some time, then get the sicknote for as long as possible, for instance my GP gives me them for three months, other GPs provide a six month, when your sicknote runs out then just go and get another one and so on, when the appeal is heard and you win then you do not have to provide a sicknote any longer.
    You will lose the £30 a week, but when you win your appeal all those £30 a week/s are backdated and forwarded to your account, and the world spins on..!!

    You can get help with the appeal and other information here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ at the forum.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 5, 2012 @ 4:15 pm

  240. Hi Lisa here. Can any 1 tell me if they stop yr DLA & industrial injuries benefit while yr incapacity benifit is waiting to be looked at again or waiting 4 appeal ‘ would be most greatful to finding this much needed information out . Thanks guys Lisa :))

    Comment by Lisa — March 5, 2012 @ 11:50 pm

  241. Hello Lisa.

    There’s some confusion here because some people have been reporting a cessation of their DLA after being found fit for work after an IB or ESA assessment, others have had to report for a DLA assessment separately, it might depend on how zealous the decision maker is that handles the case, some are more harsh than others.
    I’ve mentioned before that the DWP don’t seem to have any kind of cohesion or rhyme or reason, for instance phoning them and asking the most simplest of questions frequently gets the wrong answers.
    A case in point was the time a couple of years ago I won an appeal, and after a couple of weeks I received a letter informing me that I was due to send in a sicknote, I phoned them and told the DWP muppet on the phone that since I have appealed and won two weeks before I am not required to forward a sicknote, he insisted that I did but he would check with his superviser, he came back and said yes Sir I can confirm that you do have to send in a sicknote, I didn’t bother arguing with this idiot and just said ok then, of course I sent in nothing.
    A couple of weeks later I received a letter saying we were contacted by the appeal service and they have allowed your appeal, therefore you do not have to send in a sicknote.
    Honestly they haven’t a clue..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 6, 2012 @ 12:20 am

  242. Just a question,I,ve been reading through the messages and with reference to Doctors sick notes?Why are the doctors giving out such short sick notes? This in itself would put someone under pressure..,After a major operation someone would need at least 6 months to recover if at all..I,m sure that when my doctor did them for me they were for longer[after a major operation]and thereafter as other health problems developed he then told me that he was going to write me off and then registered me disabled…To be eligible for any sickness benefits then you had to be considered 80 per cent disabled which unfortunately i fell into that Catergory…still had to go through all the medicals etc…I,m sticking to my guns now though if they want to see me they can come here…not budging…done enough of all that c—.I,ll ask them if they mind being recorded for my video diary..Bet that goes down like a lead balloon….TOUGH!!

    Comment by lyn — March 7, 2012 @ 2:28 am

  243. Hi Lyn.

    I suppose it’s up to the individual GP how long the sick note should be for, most would give a six month one for a major operation, a three month is standard I suppose for most people, if it needs to be extended then it can, after all it is just a piece of paper that costs nothing to renew.
    The medical functional assessment is a different thing all together, the functional assessment is designed to drive you/us round the twist and force you/us of benefits, it’s got absolutely nothing to do with health.
    They even admit that it is not a medical, but rather they call it a functional assessment, when challenged to why they need DRs and Nurses then if it’s not a medical ?, the pre-arranged reply is ah but it has a medical component.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 7, 2012 @ 5:47 am

  244. I see,,so really its all about Degradation and mental cruelty……..Nien! Nein! it is a shower ! not a gas chamber!

    Comment by lyn — March 7, 2012 @ 10:53 am

  245. I have been on IB since 2006 due to arthritis of the knee, self neglect, bereavement, depression, tics, panic atacks, phobia of socialising and self harming amongst other things. I went for the ESA asessment in December and was not informed of any decision, I come to find out i had failed it when i wasnt being paid at the start of january, after some research i requested the score sheet and atos report etc and did 6 A4 pages of appeal, I am recieving the asessment rate at the moment minus £10 per week for the crisis loan i was forced to get whilst i had no money, living on approx £55 a week, have to go hungry at times due to bills and feeding the dogs etc.. I went and seen my GP the day i had the medical to show him my self harm as the atos worker “Miss Susan Brown” didnt care to see them, he sent me to a psychiatrist who in turn couldnt wait to get me out the room as she wanted to “go home” – She said this to me when i was taking a while to answer questions, typical. (I dont know what her report consisted of?) Neverthless my GP seems a good guy, hes got me on 30mg of Mirtazapine and wants to see me every fortnight, Hes been giving me monthly sick notes from Jan to send in to those B******* at the DWP, this week he reffered me to counceling, upped my dose to 45mg per day, gave me a 2 month sick note and also gave me a number to call if im feeling vulnerable or wanting to self harm. My problems are an endless list and i went into detail on my appeal form. Whether i get it or not is another matter, theres no way i can work though, I cant cope being with strangers, socialising. I just can not cope mentally. I also care for a relative who is on the highest rate DLA, she is bedbound most of the time and hasnt left the house for 8 years. We help each other in whatever ways we can.

    I have been reading the comments and thought i would add my 2p, Does anybody think the fact i care for my aunt and recieve underlying entitlement to carers allowance would this have any bearing on the decision ? If they refuse it i can claim IS but my aunt would lose her Severe Disabilti payments, but then i would be claiming the wrong benefit also? Something needs to be done, why oh why did you people vote tory?!

    Anyway Good Luck everyone, dont give up.

    Comment by Tyson — March 7, 2012 @ 5:22 pm

  246. I would have thought that the fact you care for your aunt and receive a carers allowance,The DWP should of left you alone ?surely this cannot be right..Carers save this Government millions by caring for family for what is a very small allowance….I can see you have a lot on your plate ,you,ve probably been doing it all on your own, struggling along trying to cope,while neglecting yourself…its ok, we all do it at times..Its very sneaky of ATOS/DWP/ to treat you the way they have, you are so obviously not fit for work,.even if you were not a carer…..Its good that your doctor is supporting you if a little late in the day..I hope you can get into counselling soon and can find some strength ….and as always I think that ‘MIND’ are very good with help and can supply you with an advocate for your appeal..Also they have their own welfare rights officer so they will sort the benefit issue out for you so you will know where you stand….i refuse to give up…the effect on my mental state has at times been terrifying,but then I get controlled anger… anger at these faceless morons…that do not have a clue about me or my restricted life….good luck

    Comment by lyn — March 7, 2012 @ 5:56 pm

  247. Thankyou Lyn.

    Comment by Tyson — March 7, 2012 @ 7:12 pm

  248. I Have Had My deission today which i am still not able to get ESA but is going farward to a Tribunal Im well scared off court rooms cuz last time i was in court i got lucked up in prision for a very petty crime culd not get bail i hate court rooms

    Apealing for the Work related Group Not for the Support Group as I Do want to Work and have help as well with mangeing the condtion i have got

    I have got Chronic Hydrocephalues and Learning Difficulties which Affects my Memeory and Behaver and if my Hydro is getting bad i got to have brain Surgerys
    Iv had one in Oct 2011 but am under a Nerosugern who will be montering me as Hydro is only treatable NOT Cureable meaning Brain Surgerys when needed and i have to Have MRI Scans as well

    For More Info on Hydro Check Out


    Comment by colin — March 7, 2012 @ 10:20 pm

  249. Hello Colin.

    That’s normal from the DWP, there have been some people who report that their ESA 85 was actually favourable ie the ATOS Dr agreed (very rare but has happened) they were unfit for work, but still the DWP decision maker overruled and rubber stamped.
    Make sure you have some kind of supporting evidence to present to the appeal either from the hospital or your GP, and if you need help with your appeal then pick a username and log in here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 7, 2012 @ 10:46 pm

  250. What Kind of Support will i need for my Apeal will my Hosptail Discharge and Medical Recoreds be good enough to support it

    I am seeing my GP monday to see what he thinks about it that is what my mom told me to do My GP is Good and Knows my Condtion as well my Sick note runs out on the 15th so i am going to let my GP Know to see Wether he can give me another one on the monday so i can send it straght off so my Payments ant going to be affected

    Will I Have to Pay for my Medical recoreds for my apeal??

    Comment by colin — March 8, 2012 @ 12:48 pm

  251. Hello Colin.

    Get everything you can to support your appeal, and try and get a GPs report, how can I get a GPs report and not pay for it you may ask ?, well contact welfare rights and ask them the address of the nearest legal aid offices near you, phone them up and ask for an appointment, they will ask what your problem is, and you reply well I’m appealing a DWP fit to work decision and I need a medical report from my GP ? can you help ?.

    They will arrange an appointment to ascertain your financial situation, this means a simple bank statement that’s about it, they want to see if you are eligible for legal aid, if you are eligible then they will send a letter to your GP asking for the medical report on your behalf, the GP will send them the medical report and charge them his/her fee, then the legal aid office will send you a copy to present to the tribunal.

    As long as you are like me poor then you should have no problems, just a wait for the report that’s all.
    By the way I know all this because I’ve done it twice..!!
    The reason you need to go through all this and avoid paying, is because everyone and his dog wants a piece of the action.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 8, 2012 @ 2:58 pm

  252. I Have Received My Tribunal Papers Today Asking me Do i want to Carry on apealing and do i want a Hearing and so on and gave me an est of the Apeal it said Sept 2012 I Be waiting for Aprox

    I Said Yes I Want to Carry On Apealing and I Want a Hearing which has been Sent today

    My Sick Note is Due to Run Out On 15/3/2012 which i am going to docters monday to ask for my Sick Note earler so i can get it posted to DWP and also i am going to get My GP To look at the Apeal papers they sent me to see what he thinks and he may be able to help with Providing me with My Medical Records

    Will DWP Know that i am still Apealing??
    The Stamp by the Tribunal Sevice is a First Class Stamp that was prepaid

    My Hearing it being Heard at Worcester Mags so i am pritty Nervise as that was the court that sent me to HMP for 2 weeks on Remand for a petty crime but i have my Mom reprsenting me and i should be fine il probley be sweeting as i usealy do at Formal meetings

    Comment by colin — March 9, 2012 @ 11:54 am

  253. Hello Colin.

    Yes the DWP will know sooner or later that you are still appealing, they are more likely to be contacted if you drop the appeal, you made the correct decision in carrying on with the appeal, the reason they contacted you is because they are busy and hope to cut down on the number of appeals.
    The appeal service is nothing to do with the criminal courts, except as a subsidiary, they will not know or even want to know if you have been to court for a crime, their remit is DWP appeals and the like. So be cool and remember they want to know how your illness affects your ability to work, not how much pain you are in but how you can function in a workplace.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 9, 2012 @ 1:31 pm

  254. Will I Still Get the Basic Rate While i am waiting for my Hearing as it seems quit a long way Sept 2012 is but could be later then That

    I ask my GP to give my sick notes in 3 mouths instead of 2 so then it will only be 2 trips in 6 Mouths rather then 3 Trips to the Docters for sick Note

    Comment by colin — March 9, 2012 @ 3:27 pm

  255. Well its been 11 weeks since I appealed the ESA decision, and still nothing has been done, yet they are the first to stop appeal payments if my certificate runs out, and the new one is still waiting to be scanned into the system. Although my doctor is sure this one runs out on the 23rd, not the 12th of this month, but she is having to write another one.

    I am at the stage of going back into work, making my condition worse, and taking a chance. I cant wait any longer to hear if my appeal has been accepted or if I need to go to a tribunal. Since the appeal started 3 months ago I have only just come off clerical and been put on to the system, I have had to phone up for my payment every fortnight, and to top it off they have decided to deduct the social loans I had while I waited up to 10 days for my normal payment.

    If you are having to produce certificates, please get them early, just to be on the safe side, it shouldn’t matter if there is an overlap.

    Comment by Not A Cliff Fan — March 9, 2012 @ 3:49 pm

  256. Hello Colin.

    I hope you asked them for the assessment rate Colin ? because they will tell you to sign on if you don’t ask them.

    Once you receive the assessment rate then they pay it until your appeal is heard, if you win the appeal then they reimburse you of all the weekly components they did not pay you, that’s a lot of thirty odd pounds a week all mounting up until SEPT 2012, some people have had over a thousand pounds back, I received over eight hundred the last time, the longer you wait for the appeal and win the more they need to pay you backdated money they with held from you..!!
    It costs nothing to appeal, but could cost you if you don’t appeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 9, 2012 @ 4:20 pm

  257. Yes i was getting the Basic Rate while i was waiting for the next Stage of my Apeal which went from Dec 2011 till at Least Sept 2012 so i just got to keep sending in my sick notes and i be coverd for my Basic Rate still will i

    Comment by colin — March 9, 2012 @ 7:23 pm

  258. My Mom is Reprsenting me at my apeal to help me deal with the Hearing as i find it quit hard to explain myself when in formol siturations

    My Mom works in a care home will they grant her a day off to support me at my apeal??
    Another words if she took an unpaid leave for the Hearing would my mom get her money back from her lost days work

    Comment by colin — March 9, 2012 @ 7:27 pm

  259. Hi Colin.

    Yes you will still keep getting the basic rate until your appeal is heard, so in the meantime make sure you know when your sick note is due, because sometimes the DWP don’t remind you..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 9, 2012 @ 8:01 pm

  260. Hi Colin.

    That’s good that you have at least someone to represent you at the appeal, the appeal doesn’t take that long, with me it was only 20 minutes and I was called back in to be told my appeal was allowed and I was entitled to ESA.

    As for your mum getting time of from her work ? that’s something your mum will have to find out from her employer, I would have thought that since it is a genuine day off then I don’t personally see a problem, but as I said that’s up to her employers.
    Paid while off ? maybe she could exchange one of her holiday days, but again she will have to come to an arrangement with her employer, these questions are impossible for anyone to predict Colin..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 9, 2012 @ 8:08 pm

  261. Because of My Hydrocephalues My Memoery is Affected My Docter Gives me a call when my sick notes about to run out as he knows i am apealing for ESA
    I am going to gather up some Medical Recoreds and My MRI Brain Scans Iv had over the years as well That Proves the Medicaly i have Hydrocephlaus and i was dignosed with learning difficulties when i was younger so i am going to try and get everything i possabley can from now till Sept for My Hearing

    I am going to see My Docter on Monday to Get a Earler sick note to get it posted asap so i gets paid friday still hopefully and see what my docter can do to support the apeal

    Comment by colin — March 9, 2012 @ 9:54 pm

  262. Hello Colin.

    Well you sound as if you are doing all the right things to give you the best chance of winning your appeal Colin, other than what you are doing there’s not a lot you can do in the meantime, getting a GPs report would be great though, but basically it’s a waiting game until you are asked to attend..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 9, 2012 @ 10:30 pm

  263. please can anyone give me an approximate idea of how long it will take to be called for first medical examination after sending in esa 50? like so many others i feel sick with worry and stress and finding it hard to cope. being sick is hard to deal with without the forced prolonged feeling of being dishonest that this procedure invokes.thanks

    Comment by vee — March 10, 2012 @ 10:05 am

  264. Maybe a month or so before your claim is due to run out Vee. Chase them up on the results aswell, they didnt inform me and i only found out i had failed it when i didnt get paid, then had to manage a month with virtually no money and a £40 crisis loan. A change of politics is needed very badly.

    Comment by Tyson — March 10, 2012 @ 10:42 am

  265. Hello Vee..sorry I don,t know how long it takes,,..i understand that you feel sick with worry and stress ,and finding it hard to cope….and its not nice..But the way I think about this is they are actually shooting themselves in the foot,because it.s making your health worse ,I don,t know what your health problems are but if its pain related then any form of stress can make pain escalate…so you can turn this into an ‘advantage’ for you..see your Doctor tell him what this stress is doing to you…no sleep.no concentration.pain,and so on..If you have a difficult Doctor write to him asking for help…Tell yourself that its not your fault that you have an illness.[lets face it if you had a choice you,d like to be well],but that,.s not the case .I know these forms are terrible,the questions are unreasonable,I doubt they are even looked at and whoever compiled the questions must have some kind of mental defect….its all done to have maximum effect on you..I felt the same as you until I found this site and as time as gone on I have started to feel stronger…every now and again i get weak but just remind myself that i didn,t ask to be unwell.And its you that has to live day to day with your illness not them so like i always say DON,T LET ANYONE TRIVIALISE IT….also it might not work for everyone but i refer to the DWP/ATOS as the C—-…it helps..just don,t say it out loud..example…when a letter comes through i just say …its a letter from the C—-! and then i write that word on the envelope…i don,t. know why but it really does help me…Good luck…

    Comment by lyn — March 10, 2012 @ 10:48 am

  266. Hello Vee.

    The short answer to your question is anything from a week to a couple of months, it all depends on what part of the Country you are in, and how busy that particular office is at the time. I’m waiting for my date to be interrogated, that’s nearly two weeks now..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 10, 2012 @ 10:49 am

  267. many thanks all, tis very much appreciated.
    my esa50 had to be in by feb 8. its the uncertainty thats finishing me off! i live in the south west so dont know how busy this office will be!
    lyn, i have several conditions including narcolepsy cataplexy severe vertigo and complex regonal pain syndrome, i also have a permanantly unhealed broken leg. im pretty much housebound and so have too much time to dwell and worry! i guess this too will pass—blooming soon i hope, character building it maybe but tis soul destroying too!

    Comment by vee — March 10, 2012 @ 11:50 am

  268. Well Vee,anyone with half a brain cell would know that you are unemployable…re..narcolepsy/cataplexy alone…due to health and safety..some nazi will probably still score you silly points or none…but prepare yourself for that now…and tell yourself that you will appeal and win….I know it is soul destroying.. but don,t let the C—- win…its a beautiful day….don,t let them ruin it.. I wish you well..x.

    Comment by lyn — March 10, 2012 @ 2:09 pm

  269. Readers…Do you care about your National health service, if so please sign Eoin Clarke’s petition (Will not vote for Lib-Dems again if they allow this Bill through), it’s on the right hand side of the page, and only takes a minute to sign and click your e-mail return as confirmation..


    Comment by dwpexamination — March 10, 2012 @ 3:50 pm

  270. thank you lyn, tis great finding this blog, it really helps. wonderful sunshine, beautiful day….zippity doo dah i wont let the pressure get in my way!x

    Comment by vee — March 10, 2012 @ 5:40 pm

  271. 270. done thanks

    Comment by vee — March 10, 2012 @ 5:43 pm

  272. I went to My Docters today asking for a sick Note For My Appeal He has gave me another one today which has been sent off 1st Class its for 3 Mouths and I am due to be paid Friday

    My Mom and Dad are going away for the weekend will i still get paid as its due friday my last sick note runs out on the 15th my docter has done it so it overlaps as my Docter know what DWP are like

    Comment by colin — March 13, 2012 @ 1:57 pm

  273. Hello Colin..There should be no reason why your benefit is not paid….your certificate has been sent off on time.,and the one before that should cover you…so there should be no problems at all….If by some flute its not then first thing Monday morning you need to get on the phone and ask why….If the DWP had any compassion [you have got more chance of having tea with the Queen]Then ideally they should take it on board that you have memory problems and make 100 per cent sure that they take you and your health into account…

    Comment by lyn — March 13, 2012 @ 2:29 pm

  274. Hello Colin.

    Nobody can predict what the DWP will do ? by rights you should receive your money by Friday because you have went out of your way to comply with all their demands, but sometimes that’s not good enough Colin, sometimes jumping through every hoop get’s you nowhere (And the DWP wonder why they are hated so much) but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try, and I can see that you have been trying, so expect your money to be there, but don’t be disappointed if it isn’t there Colin.

    Just in case the worse happens and it isn’t though, try and borrow a couple of quid to see you through for a couple of days..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 13, 2012 @ 2:56 pm

  275. Hello Lisa here ‘ how long does it take for them 2 send appeal papers out ???? My mum had her medical feb 13 th with in 2 wks was told she failed ‘ sent sick note & photos off & that the letter had 2 b singned for’ her money is of last payment today ‘ getting worried now as don’t want her to be left with no money in the next fortnight ‘ should I phone for her & ask what is going on ???? I’m hoping when they read the covering letter & view photos they will there & then over turn it . Many thanks Lisa :)

    Comment by Lisa — March 14, 2012 @ 9:20 am

  276. I have been on the sick for 5 years. I have passed every medical except the one I had 1 week ago. I suffer from anxiety, depression and I am an alcoholic. I have to care not only for myself but my elderly mother to. I was awarded 0 points. The medical was 20 minutes long and not very in depth. All I can do now is put what little energy I have left into my appeal. Reading peoples comments on here has made me realise I am not alone.

    Comment by alan — March 15, 2012 @ 10:14 am

  277. Hello Alan.

    You are not alone and getting zero points is normal, I need to explain something though, the so called medical is not a medical anymore, they have changed the wording, it is now called a FUNCTIONAL ASSESSMENT it’s important you understand the difference, it’s a functional assessment on how your illness affects your ability to work.
    If you ask these jokers if it’s not a medical then why do you need DRs and Nurses to carry out the assessments ? and why do we need medical reports from our GPs or the hospital to present to a tribunal ? their pre-arranged answer is ”Well it’s a functional assessment, but it has a medical component” so then, you need to demonstrate to a tribunal, how your illness affects your functional ability to work, you can get lots of help and support here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ if you run in to problems.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 15, 2012 @ 10:30 am

  278. Hello all

    I too have just been kicked off ESA after the usual 15 minute interview.

    As I am physically fit (bar asthma) I’m deemed fit to work.

    My agoraphobia, anxiety, depression, paranoia (and that old black dog that is contemplation of suicide which my “fail” letter brought to the forefront) seems to have little to do with the affair.

    The pittance that ESA gave me enabled me a tiny bit of freedom and self preservation.
    Without it I will soon be homeless as my folks whom i’m presently living with simply cannot afford to keep me.

    It’s a right bugger for a 41 year old who used to have a nice house in North London and a decent job as a designer but due to lack of support from work/mental health teams/Atos is now going to be yet another homless statistic.

    If and when I do become streetbound, I’ll make a point of being a pain during the Olympics to show all the visitors what a “caring” nation we are. Even if I have to walk to London. (actually I prob wont even be able to get to the end of the road, but it’s the thought that counts)

    Bitter? Too blimmin right.

    Anyhoo, enough of my tale of woe. I just wanted to angst and get this of my skinny chest.

    I’d advise everyone who has “failed” (what a lovely term!) to use the appeals process, don’t put it off or ignore it as I know most of us want to.

    I sent mine off a few days ago, well within the month timline. I’ll let you know what comes of it, although I’m not holding my breath.



    Comment by orlok — March 16, 2012 @ 7:07 pm

  279. Hello Orlok.

    Your doing the right thing by appealing, I hope you are getting help from your local welfare rights or the Citizens advice bureau ?, you can also tune in here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ they can help as well.
    Your not alone, thousands are going through this ATOS nightmare, they have been hounding me for three years.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 16, 2012 @ 9:21 pm

  280. I also failed but did get 6 points,i am appealing with the help of the charity MIND….The medical examiner even cut the medical short because she could see i was suffering.I am deemed fit for work but who wants to employ a alcohol dependant panic attack sufferer with anger issues?Any employers please contact me asap…lol

    Comment by ian crabb — March 18, 2012 @ 1:53 pm

  281. Hello Ian.

    Let’s look on the bright side, you are appealing with the help of MIND not a lot of people get that chance, they have to appeal all on their own.

    You also have a start on most other people because you have that six points, most others who are appealing start with zero points.
    And you are missing one vital factor, it’s not about getting you or any of us in to employment, it’s about getting you of the sickness benefit figures, they couldn’t give a rats ass if you found employment, so treat it as a game, ask for the assessment rate and wait for the appeal date and go and convince the panel why you will be a danger to yourself or others in the work place, and win that appeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 18, 2012 @ 5:28 pm

  282. Hi All,

    My tribunal is coming up on in 3 days time.

    Is there anyone out there who can tell me what to expect? My fiancee, an excellent communicator, will be my representative but we are still worried they will confuse us into saying the wrong things.

    How many people attend the tribunal?

    How much time do they give you?

    Do they actually listen to what you have to say or do you think they make up their mind based on the written evidence already provided?

    If anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks :)

    Comment by James — March 18, 2012 @ 6:30 pm

  283. Hello James.

    Since I don’t know you or know anything about your health issues I can only be a rough guide.

    The panel is usually made up of two members a Judge and a Doctor, you sit directly opposite them and the Judge introduces themselves, they also tell you that they will ask you questions on your fitness to work, they may tell you to relax etc.
    They are not interested in your illness as such or how much pain you are in, but how your illness prevents you from working, obviously I cant know what questions they would ask you personally so all I can do is give you a rough guide based on my own experience.

    My problems where/are my back and my ears, I already knew I would not get anything for my ear problems because other than the 5 points I had to start for reduced hearing, the descriptors were and still are so arranged by the Government that they must have (deliberately ?) forgot to include ear problems in along with the descriptors.

    So I had a 5 point start and had to rely on my back problems.

    The judge started by asking if I understood the purpose of the ATOS assessment ? and I said yes, it’s a functional assessment, and you will ask me questions about my functional ability rather than any illnesses I may have.

    Then the Doctor started asking me a bunch of functional ability questions and the first one was : How far can you walk before you need to stop ?
    And I answered, up to a couple of hundred yards.
    Why do you feel the need to stop ? I answered, because after a certain length of time say 80 yards my back goes in to a clamp and I have to stop sooner or later, or my back will collapse etc.

    The Judge asked ”how did you arrive here ?” and I said, my brother gave me a lift.

    The next question was similar to the walking and it regarded standing, and the reply was similar, I had support from my GP in a written report and they either believe me or they don’t, they believed me and I got 18 points in all, more than enough for ESA.

    If they didn’t believe me they would issue me with a denial, and after asking for their statement of reasons why, they are probably saying something like we prefer the ATOS HCPs version etc.

    That’s the main gist James, some panels are better (more sympathetic) than others, I’ve had both, so good luck..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 18, 2012 @ 7:13 pm

  284. Submitted my appeal on 20/1/12 – Just had a letter today saying ” We will prepare a submission and send your appeal letters and papers, giving our reaons and evidence for the decision, to the tribunels service. We will send you a copy of these papers. The tribunels service will let you know when and where your appeal will be heard.”

    What does this mean exactly, does it mean they can decide without me or if they will ask me to attend, should i wait for further information before i seek representation?

    Thanks very much.

    Comment by Tyson — March 19, 2012 @ 1:12 pm

  285. Hello Tyson.

    It just means the DWP are telling you that they have sent their version of events to the appeal panel and since you have a right to see what they have written then they have to send you a copy.
    Do not wait for further information, contact your local welfare rights office and ask their advice on what to do next, also ask of course if they will represent you at the appeal. If they can represent you then they will need a copy of the DWP submission as well as a copy of your appeal, do not rely on the DWP acting on your behalf. See what welfare rights say first, do not delay.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 19, 2012 @ 1:44 pm

  286. Thanks for that information, should i request a copy of my appeal or should i just supply the photocopies i had made of the 5 pages i churned out for my appeal ? I would feel uncomfortable sitting there while someone read through it tbh but if thats the only way then so be it.

    Comment by Tyson — March 19, 2012 @ 1:58 pm

  287. Sorry, I forgot to ask, will the tribunel service see my appeal along with the dwp excuses and if they do are they able to overturn it without even calling for me to attend ? Thanks a lot.

    Comment by Tyson — March 19, 2012 @ 2:01 pm

  288. Tyson…They are not going to overturn it, because they have already sent it on the appeal service, surely by now you have had a letter from the DWP saying they have reconsidered and they have still found you fit for work ?.
    As I said contact welfare rights and explain to them you are appealing, they will help.
    Yes the tribunal will see your appeal, how could they make a judgment on your fitness for work if they didn’t have a chance to see it,. they also see the ESA 85 from ATOS along with the DWP submission, all that’s left is for you to produce a report from your GP or consultant and they will read that when it arrives.
    If you get help from the Welfare rights, they will advise any DRs or consultants reports you get then send them to welfare rights first, and they will show it to the appeal tribunal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 19, 2012 @ 3:59 pm

  289. Ok thanks for the advice, no this is the first letter ive had since my appeal was lodged, they are useless. Should i inform my GP that its going to a tribunel panel to decide and that i need a report from him or will they request it, last time i asked him for a letter (for my initial appeal) he said they would get in touch with him and that theres some sort of special form for him to fill in. Thanks so much.

    Comment by Tyson — March 19, 2012 @ 7:26 pm

  290. Hello ‘ I phoned benefits today to see what was happening with my mums claim ‘ they said that they had received paper work & photos & sent it over to Worcester ton see if decision can be over turned’ is this usual proses ???? Or is that a good sign ??? Lisa :)

    Comment by Lisa — March 19, 2012 @ 9:13 pm

  291. Hello Lisa.

    Photos of what ? what claim ? ESA ? DLA ? Has she just started the claim ? Or is she re-applying for a benefit ? I’m not being funny but could you tell us some information that can help answer the question?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 19, 2012 @ 9:38 pm

  292. It’s 4 incapacity benefit ‘ and she got turned down at medical’ photos of her hands swollen ‘ as she suffers wv tenosyovitis of the wrist & hands shoulders . Lisa :)

    Comment by Lisa — March 19, 2012 @ 9:41 pm

  293. Hello Lisa.

    I assume she has appealed then ? if so then yes her claim is being re-considered by the sound of things, but don’t hold out much hope, because our experience has been that they don’t consider anything, the decision has already been made by ATOS, the decision maker just rubber stamps it, the reason they tell you it’s being re-considered is to gain them time. To avoid a cruel disappointment expect a brown enveloped letter saying it’s been re-considered and your appeal has failed please sign on for JSA, of course your mum will do no such thing, and she can contact them stating she would like to carry on with the appeal to the tribunal service.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 19, 2012 @ 10:39 pm

  294. Hello Tyson.

    You need to understand something, ATOS will not contact your GP for a report because it is not in their interests to do so, ask yourself this ? why would ATOS (Who are paid to get you off benefits) ask your GP for a medical report ?.

    If you want a report from your GP then here’s how to get one, your GP is right that he has a form to fill in, but it’s not ATOS that sends it, your GP wants paid for writing the report and since you are on benefits it doesn’t look likely that paying for the report out of your own pocket (when you need every penny just to survive) is going to bring a smile to your face.
    That is the whole point of legal aid, and that is what you have to apply for first (A report can cost £150-£200) legal aid.

    To get legal aid you first need to contact a legal advice centre near you (Addressees can be obtained from your nearest welfare rights office or CAB) and explain that you are contesting a DWP fit for work decision, and would like to apply for legal aid for a GPs report, they will arrange an interview and ask you to bring bank statements to prove you do not have a healthy account, they will contact the legal aid board on your behalf and ask for clearance that you are entitled to legal aid, once approved then the legal advice centre will contact your GP by letter and ask for a medical report on yourself, one of two things will happen, your GP will send the medical report to them and demand his fee, and you will automatically get a copy (Which you can copy yourself for the appeal).
    Or he will call you to his surgery and give you a full medical examination, then write out the report and Ditto.
    Some GPs give you the examination and some don’t, mines does..!!

    I hope this explains the procedure, please get this nonsense out of your head that ATOS/DWP are going to be applying for things on your behalf, they will do no such thing, you need to know your rights and you need to do everything for yourself, they will do everything they can to stop you, so tell them nothing regarding your plans.

    Take care Tyson.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 19, 2012 @ 11:12 pm

  295. Thank you 4 yr reply’ she she will appeal ‘ I asked today about the payment can’t think wot u call it ‘ is it reduced something ??? They said she will automatic get it ‘ is this right ?? C.b.a has told her when she gets appeal papers they will help her ‘ I just hope she will be a lucky one & have her decision over turned ‘ so I guess this happens but not often . Lisa :)

    Comment by Lisa — March 19, 2012 @ 11:30 pm

  296. Its terrible that people who are so obviously unwell are being treated in such a disgusting way..[including myself ] I wonder how in a supposed civilised country that it can even happen…The last thing any of us want to be doing is trying to gather up information,papers,records and goodness knows what else when we only have limited energy in the first place…its mental cruelty..,and its criminal…The excuse for humans that orchestrated this treatment are not only cruel but also very stupid….stupid enough to think that their wealth and snobbery buys them immunity from an accident like going through a windscreen ,or being struck down by something like meningitis…here,s the thing it doesn,t The wealth buys you a more luxurious bed to be ill in that,s all. I,m not overly religious but I do have faith in my heart,and I have been praying for much needed., strength.,,which I think I maybe getting somehow,But its the fear that won,t go away.. .The fear that people can be so premeditated and cruel to those that have disabilities and illness through no fault of their own…I believe it will go back on them,,because it always does..There will be some kind of backlash on Cameron.,,It might not be until his kids are adults and they say to him dad , why did you treat those people like that….In the meantime I wish everyone who,s lives have been upset by all this treatment ,lots of strength.I would say i,d include you all in my prayers but some people don,t like that ..

    Comment by lyn — March 20, 2012 @ 12:25 am

  297. Hello Lisa.

    That’s right expect the worst anything better is a bonus, by the way the rate you get when appealing is called the assessment rate, the same as job seekers allowance, and when you win your appeal the component part that they don’t pay you is all toted up and backdated.

    At the moment some people are lucky and getting some leeway from the DWP, but that’s not because the DWP have all of a sudden seen the error of their ways, the real reason is because ATOS and the DWP are under tremendous pressure and are struggling to cope, to ease that pressure they are allowing some people through on to ESA sometimes even without an assessment.

    To the superficial observer this gives the impression they have taken on board Professor Harrington’s recommendations, nothing could be further from the truth, they (DWP) are totally closed to any kind of justice just as much as they ever where, the fact that they cannot process quick enough has led to this false impression, things will change when they are under less pressure in the near future.

    (PS) NO you don’t automatically get it, when it comes to the DWP you don’t automatically get anything, if you want the assessment rate you need to ask for it and confirm it in writing, if you don’t they will tell you to automatically sign on, don’t listen to these muppets.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 20, 2012 @ 6:19 am

  298. Hi Lyn.

    And it can only get worse when the National health service gets dismantled today, health insurance will be next but we won’t be eligible for decent care, just the basics like a bandage or splints.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 20, 2012 @ 7:35 am

  299. The past 3 days I have spent mostly in bed ill. A family member rang up our local health clinic yesterday 8:45am. A doctor rang back to speak to me 11:20am and refused to come out to see me. Short of begging I tried to explain that I was very ill but the doctor kept saying they don’t do call outs and I would have to wait till the next day to be seen and I would have to come to the clinic. No matter what I said they refused point blank to help me.

    Comment by alan — March 20, 2012 @ 10:21 am

  300. Hello Alan.

    They haven’t been coming out to see people for years, the days of DR Findlay are over, of course if the DR got a basic pay and a bonus for every patient He/She paid a visit too, then they would be phoning you up if you would like a visit please..!!

    Things are going to get worse when the NHS is finally privatised today, the first thing the DR will say is do you have a credit card ? if you say no, the last thing you will hear will be BRRRRRRRRRRR, as the phone is dropped.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 20, 2012 @ 10:36 am

  301. Thats helpfull, I’ll do that. Many thanks DWP for your help.

    Comment by Tyson — March 20, 2012 @ 10:44 am

  302. I am picking up my copy of my Medical Records today my mom is going to keep a copy and send a copy to the tribunal service people

    do we need to send them my medical records to them before the hearing or on the day of the hearing?
    as we are gathering up proof now for my disabilty then i am going to get my gp and other people to write up about things what i have problems with

    e.g when my mom and dad goes away then my big brother and his girlfriend will make sure that i am ok so my mom was thinking of getting a letter of them as well

    Comment by colin — March 20, 2012 @ 11:47 am

  303. Howdy Colin.

    Hope your ok today.

    Your going to get the medical records and copy them ? excellent, make sure you make up a few copies just in case, and always keep the original and send them the copies, on the day of the tribunal you can take the originals with you in a little folder ready to hand it over just in case there is any problems like for instance they have misplaced them or they have got lost.

    Do you have a representative ? like welfare rights or the CAB ? if you do then do not send the medical records to the tribunal service, send the copy to your representative instead, they will be grateful because it helps them prepare your case better.

    Of course if you do not have a representative then send it on to the tribunal, but try and get someone like the CAB or welfare rights it’s not to late, you can still give them a copy of your medical records anytime.

    Take care Colin.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 20, 2012 @ 12:03 pm

  304. Alan,If your present state is due to a flare up of your long term health conditions. then you need to make a note of that…Get someone to help write it down ..and date it…get the same person to make and keep a copy….. long term health conditions especially that cause pain can be aggravated by stress, and as you are being put through the mill by the system…Then its probably caused a flare up ,increased pain.increased depression.and so on….Then let the tribunal/Atos/Dwp/doctor/be aware of that….and ask them to acknowledge you by letter….

    Comment by lyn — March 20, 2012 @ 12:14 pm

  305. Does anyone have a number for me to contact so that i can have a representative from welfare rightsi am in the midlands area

    Comment by colin — March 20, 2012 @ 3:35 pm

  306. Hello Colin.

    Google up on your computer Welfare rights department and the City nearest you, if you are say in Birmingham for instance then there may even be a couple because Birmingham is so big heres one in Birmingham that looks good http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=welfare%20rights%20birmingham&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CGYQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.birminghamlawcentre.org.uk%2Fbenefits%2Findex.htm&ei=TqZoT-WDBcS4hAem6pmuCg&usg=AFQjCNGOYEIGzH3IEVIBxl_f-4Wx5l-SJQ&cad=rja if that doesn’t suit then there’s plenty of others, pick the City and nearest welfare rights (Or Law centre that deals with benefits) judging by the address near you and phone them up and just ask if they can help you or give you advice where to go..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 20, 2012 @ 3:51 pm

  307. just recieved my letter infroming me of not getting esa or income support and to sign on at job centrre going to doctors tomorrow to get a sick note.
    i am glad that my son came along with me as i reckon decision was already made before we went through the door
    have had to laugh at the report that was sent sounds as if it was another person doing the medical am stated in this letter that i had had no trouble filling in thier form sorry, advice centre worker filled it in according to this letter can get to a strange place on my own never go anywhere strange on my own stated that i could go to shops 15 mins away how on earth do they know how far it is to my shops also because i only take mild painkillers that is another reason somehow or another to turn me down do not take the strong ones for 2 reasons do not want to a zombie and the side effects are not nice
    have had to use a solictor as all our cabs and advice centres are choc a bloc with this atos system and the appeals from, nice to know am not the only one in this position

    Comment by june — March 22, 2012 @ 7:17 pm

  308. Hello June.

    Your right you are not the only one, there are thousands and thousands having to go through this rubbish tick box assessment.
    Pity about the welfare rights and CAB being to busy, they are choc a blog I know, I’m due in for my test soon and expect to be told the same as you, so I’m all geared up and ready for action.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 22, 2012 @ 7:41 pm

  309. Well the dreaded brown envelope fell through the letter box on Friday, i was feeling lousy suffering the after effects of a hysteroscopy, my legs were shaking.
    How i got the letter open, was another omen, but to cut the story short, i passed the medical, but they have put me in the WRAG category which means that i will have to go to see an adviser at the local job centre.
    I hardly go out these days, due to Depression and anxiety caused by Chronic pain from Chrons disease adhesion’s and gastric symptoms, as well as RLS..
    so i will appeal, and feel quite calm about the situation.
    Atos must be sick and tired of me, my latest topic, trying to get the full amount of traveling expenses i payed out for attending my medical examination,a receipt was given for £5,my sister filled the car up on that day, and kindly accompanied me to the medical.
    Travel expenses letter also fell through the letter box on Thursday, atos had given me £4, ripped of by 50p, if they do that to every Service user,NO WONDER THE COMPANY IS GETTING RICH QUICK, i e mailed them and asked them to reimburse the full amount.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — March 24, 2012 @ 9:27 pm

  310. So you got the dreaded brown envelope on Friday, I think its done on purpose so you have the whole weekend to get stressed about the unfair wording of it..Mine arrived on a Friday to awhile back now, and I,ve had a few since…I now write the word C—- 0n the front and back…it just makes me feel a whole lot better…Really the fact that you are recovering from an operation should be taken into account..but of course it won,t be…Same happened to me ,just got home from hospital I,d had a reveal device inserted into my chest..,,.At the hospital the doctor said its much the same as being stabbed in the chest within an inch of your life…I was still not with it because of the anesthetic…And I got a letter from the C—-.I tried to call them but of course there was no answer…I Collasped with the stress..long story. fast forward …Monday I called the world and he,s wife..I like you got put into the WRAG group…I suffer with depression like you also…I got the most help from contacting ‘mind’..its up to you but they can help by attending the tribunal with you….They are very busy but your appeal is like mine a long way off so by then there will be someone…I,m glad that you feel calm about it..that,s the best way to be…When I had climbed down from the wall,s .I thought to myself its not my fault that i,m unwell..I did not ask to have an illness,,,none of us do….And if i was an employer would I employ me? No!! Would I employ you?No!…The fact that they still persist by putting us into the WRAG group is like saying one of many things …we don,t give a Flying F if your ill….We don,t care that it upsets you ,we are going to trivialise your health conditions..I got a call from them two weeks after my op..they said I should be going there to discuss jobs and help to work and so on..I should add that I have anklosing spondylitis,spondylosis.diviculitis,multiple osteoaritis,asthma,non specified breast disease.post traumatic stress disorder.depression..two heart defects..And they want me to go and talk about work????I said no…called MIND..told them that they were now harrassing me on the phone and they got onto them..they have been brilliant,So far I have not had anymore calls from them…I still get the stupid forms through..even though I have an appeal going through..apparently I will still keep getting these every three months…but now i have this calm feeling about it all like you i can,t wait to fill it in….Sorry to go on but I reconized a bit of me in what you were saying..also when you have chronic pain no one really understands that..I know what you mean…its like having the feeling of a toothache pain all through your body…Hope you get your full refund…cheeky sod,s

    Comment by lyn — March 24, 2012 @ 10:29 pm

  311. thanks for your support just glad son had presence of mind to record some of the interview good luck for your future

    Comment by june — March 25, 2012 @ 12:10 pm

  312. Hi All,

    Carrying on from comment 282…

    I had my tribunal hearing this past week and was successful.

    Interestingly, the panel [an independent doctor and lawyer] agreed that I was not able to work in my condition, but stated that the descriptors used in the medical assessments, did not allow for this fact. Consequently, they referred to a special regulation [Rule 29] which allowed them to over-ride the medical assessment and stated that ‘working was detrimental to my health’.

    It seems very strange to me that the medical assessment does not allow for this within itself.

    Anyway, I am very glad to have won the appeal and just hope they do not take too long in sorting out my monies owing. i have not received a penny from the DWP since 19th August, 2011 and even though I sent them a letter a month ago, pointing out that I was still entitled to the basic rate [thanks to the information provided within this forum] I have not heard back from them as yet.

    I believe that now the appeal has been won, I should be entitled to a full payment, backdated, for both my basic assessment rate and the money from the appeal. As my finances are in dire straits, I watch the letter box with great eagerness at the moment.

    Thanks to all who have provided such useful knowledge on this forum. It really is very much appreciated.

    Comment by James — March 25, 2012 @ 12:28 pm

  313. Hello James.

    Great news James, they had no right to withhold payment of the assessment rate, anyway you ill get the whole lot backdated to the date you were informed by these charlatans you were supposed to be fit for work.

    The special circumstances rule/s is 29 (2)(b) is the WRAG, 35 (2)(b) is the support group.
    The ATOS DR could have allowed it on your behalf and gave you ESA with the WRAG, don’t let anyone kid you, it’s ATOS that decide if you are entitled to the necessary points and therefore whether entitled to benefits or not.

    Remember James now that you have won a tribunal they will recall you within a matter of months, so get prepared now to defend your future rights, log in here and find out what’s going on http://dwpexamination.org/.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 25, 2012 @ 2:51 pm

  314. I am lucky i have a job to go back to, have been a bank nurse for many years, so can pick to do one shift a week, which would be a lot more than the esa, but occupational health said that i cant go back with the constant diarrhea caused by the crohns disease,which is also chronic and lifelong, God knows what they will do with me.?
    I also got my backdated esa, as i have been on the assessment rate for a year.oh yes they are giving us all a £10 bonus for Christmas, has anybody else had this statement in their letter?
    I am expecting another letter from them, but does anybody know if i will have to supply another fitness note, because a friend of mine has been on esa for 5 years and he does not have to supply a medical certificate.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — March 25, 2012 @ 5:47 pm

  315. Hello Alison.

    You don’t have to supply a sicknote if you are receiving ESA, only if you are appealing a DWP fit for work decision.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 25, 2012 @ 6:41 pm

  316. I have been put in the wrag group, will i need a sick note for that? got one until 18th April 2012 anyway.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — March 25, 2012 @ 6:58 pm

  317. Hello Alison.

    You don’t need a sicknote if you are on the Work related activity group or the support group.
    The reason for that is obvious, they recognise you have an illness, on the other hand if you are appealing then you are disputing their decision finding you fit for work and therefore while you wait for the appeal they demand a sicknote.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 25, 2012 @ 11:06 pm

  318. Do I automatically receive 67.50 per week ESA while appealing or do I need to re-apply for ESA all over again?. My last payment of ESA is due 02/04/12.

    Comment by alan — March 27, 2012 @ 10:24 am

  319. Hello Alan.

    If you are appealing then you need to ask them to pay you the assessment rate of ESA, they do nothing automatically, so if you are appealing a DWP fit for work decision then inform them immediately that you wish to be paid at the assessment rate and you have sent a sick line in.

    They sometimes don’t tell you to send in a sick line in, because they don’t want you to appeal and they don’t want to pay you anything, and they don’t need to pay you if you don’t send them a sickline.
    So get a sick line send it in and (attache a letter) ask for the assessment rate.
    If you unfortunately are not granted ESA at your appeal, then you still don’t need to sign on, that’s when you can re-apply for ESA, there is two stipulations though : Six months have to pass when you were informed that you were fit for work, and there has to be a worsening of your condition, or a new health issue has arising in the meantime.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 27, 2012 @ 12:12 pm

  320. Hi all, i have been in touch with the DWP this am, i got a 3 hour call back, i was placed in the WRAG group after a recent medical examination, i am on contribution based esa until the 365 day period ends in May, i will be unable to claim income based esa as my husband is working full time, so i will appeal ASAP to go into the support group.
    Right my medical report came last Friday, after requesting he former on a daily basis from the DWP, that leaves me ten days to get an appeal together, they will give me no more time extra time to comply, even though it took them so long to send the report.
    I didnt receive my score, so i asked the Guy on the telephone what the scre was, he said 18 npoints, 6 points for coping with change, 6 points for getting about, 6 points for coping socially.
    All the above score relates to depression and anxiety, which is caused by chronic pain, crohns disease with bowel adhesions, Hiatus hernia, which causes severe restless leg syndrome, RLS, Gynnocoogy problems which have been causing severe abdominal pain, all this has not contributed to any score, which is the real reason why i am off anyway, so after all the medical evidence i gave them from 5 consultants have not been taken into consideration,
    Due to the DWP an atos incompetance i have now got no time to get a letter from my GP for appeal, or see a welfare rights adviser, would you advise appealing without representation? as i have only got ten days to put something together would the documentation have to be perfect for any appeal, as in writing and spelling etc, as they have given me no option but to rush things?

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 10, 2012 @ 7:10 pm

  321. Sorry a few spelling mistakes,

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 10, 2012 @ 7:11 pm

  322. Iv got my medical recored s now from my Neurosurgery appointments and brain surgery and also my learning difficulties from a young age to now. But i do not know what to do now? as i am going to the tribunal hearing as said in my earlier comments on here

    do i send it to the tribunal service or to DWP the medical records??

    Comment by colin — April 10, 2012 @ 7:39 pm

  323. And yet you would be deemed unemployable with the health conditions they have Accidently on purpose decided to leave out., I note your depression and anxiety[most likely escalated due to the lack of knowledge and compassion from Atos/DWP.Its not too late to call your local’MIND’ I suffer from depression also..If your depression is recognised by your doctor/in your medical records/on a prescription for it ..then please do contact them..ask to speak to someone that can maybe go to a tribunal with you and/or offer advice if they can,t at short notice or you,d rather just get advice…I turned to them..I was in a terrible state long story but the Nazi,s were on my back the day before i was due to have a heart procedure and then again on the actual day i came out of hospital,I was in pieces,’MIND’ have helped me so much they will be supporting me at the tribunal..I wish you well..

    Comment by lyn — April 10, 2012 @ 7:46 pm

  324. sorry should have said my comment was meant for alison

    Comment by lyn — April 10, 2012 @ 7:48 pm

  325. Hi Marie here ‘ am I right in thinking that as I’m being paid reduced allowance 4 incapacity benefit ‘ that I lost them over turning their decision that atos made ‘ & now I have to wait 4 appeal at tribunral

    Comment by Lisa — April 10, 2012 @ 7:53 pm

  326. You must appeal to the Jocentre to allow you more time, do this in writing giving your reasons for asking. Next waste no time seek assistance from welfare rights, write and tell them your situation and they may be able to assist. If you do decide to appeal against the dm’s decision to put you in the wrag you may have to do so unassisted which, although daunting is not impossible.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 11, 2012 @ 6:57 am

  327. Dont worry, i usually amake loads

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 11, 2012 @ 6:58 am

  328. Sorry colin I need more information, my oppo may have dealt with your previous enquiry, please give me more information



    Comment by dwpexamination — April 11, 2012 @ 6:59 am

  329. Ok No probs iv have been dignosed with chronic hydrocephalus and learning difficulties i was turned down for esa but i scored 12 points at my medical. i scored 6 for social and another 6 for getting about. but i have apealled cuz i find it hard cooking learning complexed things and also have behaver problems which is all in my medical notes which i have got.

    when i got out of prison i also had to see a work physiologist so i will get a copy of my notes from that as well

    i was told my appeal was going to the tribunal service.
    but were do i send my medical stuff tribunal service or DWP ??

    Comment by colin — April 11, 2012 @ 10:16 am

  330. Send nothing to the DWP it will probably just get lost. Take it with you to your tribunal and hand it to the clerk who will speak to you about additional information before the tribunal

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 11, 2012 @ 2:06 pm

  331. i have this morning spent over three and a half hours on hold waiting for a reply for a crisis loan for an middle aged relative who does not have internet or a mobile phone why do they take over 3hours to answer a phone for a crisis loan in 3hours all i have heard is sorry all our advisers are busy you may want to call back later or contiue to hold i am still ont the phone now fro 09.30 this morning please i urge other people to phone this number and see who gets through the qickest this must be near a world record for holding i can gaurantee no one will get an answer within 1 hour they do not to answer the phone they do not want to proccess your claim they think that if they keep you on hold long enough you will give up and hang up the phone here is the number 0800 030 7952 does anybody know how i can complain as this is surely unfair for those in a genuine crisis

    Comment by colin — April 12, 2012 @ 11:10 am

  332. he was told to apply for a crisis loan last week as he had to go and see his son so he left to see his son who had been arrestted in birmingham he did not tell the jobcentre and left he was due to sign on in scotland the following day they refused to sign him left him in birmingham with no money to get back he had to borrow it he does not get paid again until tues and he has had nothing since sun he has had no gas or electric he has got the odd bit of food in the cupborad i am still on hold do not think i will get an answer by 16.00pm

    Comment by colin — April 12, 2012 @ 11:24 am

  333. This needs to be reported..it,s just more degrading treatment directed at people that are unwell./elderly etc.Trouble is who do you tell?who will listen? who will care enough to do something in this i,m alright Jack society…..Sorry i wish i could help..but those that want to help can,t because they are in the same position,and those that could help don,t want to….what does the person need? would you mind saying?

    Comment by lyn — April 12, 2012 @ 11:32 am

  334. thanks anyway but my phone will be dead witin 40mins so i will have to start the whole proceess over again once i get my phone charger and then keep phone plugged in i am fuming that a crisis loan service is not a crisis loan service does anybody know who i can complain to as this is driving me nuts i wish i never got involved now but hey ho something has to be done and i aint going to keep quiet but first i have very little experince in benefit complaints can some please tell my first step to complain i have sent my brother to the job centre an hour ago but no joy they do not want to help so who is my first call to this is a disgusting way to reat people

    Comment by colin — April 12, 2012 @ 11:43 am

  335. Its because the numbers dedicated to giving us things we are entitled to are very low in the call centres, whereby if they are taking something away they can manage to tell you in a crack.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 12, 2012 @ 12:54 pm

  336. Hi Lyn, we can all help by gathering together like we are here, we have huge voting power and if we put our mind to it we can make a difference. Tell all of your friends about this site and our sister forum at http://www.dwpexamination.org and let them know they have somewhere their voices will be heard.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 12, 2012 @ 12:57 pm

  337. Another dreaded brown envelope dropped through my door last night at 5pm, yes Royal mail what a service.
    They are stopping my contribution based esa on 30th April 2012, i cannot get income based esa because my husband is working full time, i am very lucky really, and feel sorry for the persons that are really struggling to even feed themselves.
    I have took two days to submitt some documentation with regards to appeal to be put into the support group, as i have a new lot of medical evidence.
    The Lady on the telephone from the DWP said today that i would only have to submitt the G whatever form first the small suare that you need to document why you are appealing, with no other submission, ie the continuation sheets of paperwork if you have ran out of space on the other form, is this right?, even though i have written my whole appeal out now, should i present all that documentation and the mega bunch of hospital consultant letters now? to the DWP or wait till the tribuneral itself before present them with the whole big court bundle, what a sarcastic woman i am because my submission is bigger than any family court bundle.
    Feedback please.
    Also the form states that if you need representation i should name the person on the form, because of not having a chance to get representation i cannot name any individual

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 13, 2012 @ 11:04 am

  338. Also because i cant name an individual at the momment are you allowed to name a representative at a later date?

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 13, 2012 @ 11:09 am

  339. What would happen if i decided to do one shift a week at work while i was appealing for the support group, would that be putting into their minds that i am lying about my health problems?

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 13, 2012 @ 11:12 am

  340. Hi,

    Its a bit short notice but here goes.

    First the G whatever? form you need is a GL24, it has a small area in which you are invited to enter your reasons for appealing. Are you sure you were told not to submit additional pages? because if you have you need to ring Jpbcentreplus and make a complaint because you are allowed to continue on additional sheets.

    Please be sure to number the pages i.e 1 of 2 etc depending on how many pages you have. Also include your name and NI number. You may enclose any additional information you have but you do so at your own risk as JC+ are noted for “losing” personal information. Best bet is to complete it, assemble what you have to submit and hand the lot in yourself.

    Good luck


    Comment by dwpexamination — April 13, 2012 @ 1:25 pm

  341. Yes, just say so on the form

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 13, 2012 @ 1:27 pm

  342. They would probably say FFW! 0 points

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 13, 2012 @ 1:33 pm

  343. HI……CAN YOU HELP? We were claiming ESA for a few months as I suffer from depression and PTSD and my husband found it difficult to juggle home life looking after me and 4 kids on top of work! I had a ESA examination and scored 0 points to which i appealed and failed and had to go to a tribunal. Whilst waiting for the tribunal date my husband was offered a full time job…out of the blue… which even though its a massive strain he had to accept in case the tribunal found in favour of the DWP and to find another job in this climate would be very difficult. So we informed the DWP and he started work a few weeks ago……then we get a letter stating that the tribunal had gone ahead without me being present and had been found in my favour i had more than the 15 points needed….we are so angry and feel incredibly let down by the system and even though we are better off financially the strain on our family is enormous. My rate of ESA was the assesment rate but was told that would increase if i passed the examinations…….am i entitled to have that backdated to my examination date……even if we are no longer on benefits??

    Comment by Cherrypie — April 14, 2012 @ 11:24 am

  344. Have you not had notification of your success at tribunal from the Tribunals service? You need to look into this because a while back the Tribunals service allowed ATOS and the DWP to access cases waiting tribunal. You need to find out when you were awarded your 15 points and who failed to ell you. If you want further advice please give a clear indication of the time line and the order in which the events occurred otherwise it can be confusing.



    Comment by dwpexamination — April 14, 2012 @ 6:33 pm

  345. Cherrypie, In theory I would think yes, but you,ve probably got more chance of having tea with the Queen.,,you could only ask or better still state everything in a letter send by recorded delivery.,So they can,t say they did not get it. good luck

    Comment by lyn — April 14, 2012 @ 10:15 pm

  346. Hi thanks for replying. I had Atos examination end of September………appeal lost mid November and told to wait for tribunal! My last esa payment was 4 weeks ago and my tribunal was held 2 weeks ago so obviously there was some kind of overlap between us notifying dwp and the tribunal team……..i assumed they would stop the tribunal and seeing as I never even turned up it would be kicked out anyway………im guessing i should never assume anything from the dwp!!

    That makes me a little bit more madder though because the tribunal found in my favour without interviewing me, no further medical records and only on the basis of what was originally submitted when i 1st made my claim back in may 2011!

    Comment by Cherrypie — April 15, 2012 @ 10:56 am

  347. ATOS and the DWP know we are vulnerable and are prepared to take a chance we will not attend the tribunal. Tribunals are there to adjudicate and make a decision which is seen to be fair. The very fact they are there in the first place indicates how corrupt the process is.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 15, 2012 @ 12:06 pm

  348. TWATOS as i call them have totally destroyed all the work my health care professionals have done with me t o make my daily life bearable , I have mixed personality disorder – emotionally unstable and impulsive, dependent and schizoid, two forms of major depression, having had various drugs, talking therapies I have been informed the depression will not get any better. I have a chronic sleep problem and that’s only my mental health.
    Hypothyroidism. IBS, Incontinence (mainly bed wetting) not to mention a sensory neural hearing impairment and female problems for which I’m under a uro gynaecologist.0 Score at medical assessment done by a physiotherapist unqualified to assess mental health, you know about Royal College of Psychiatrists view of the role of physiotherapists in CMHT’s
    Have been informed it could be a year before my appeal so have to suffer on £67.50 a week. Is there not a human rights law which means the government cant force people into poverty and debt?

    Comment by Sharon Hudson — April 17, 2012 @ 8:58 pm

  349. Sharon ,sorry to hear you,ve been on the mental cruelty roundabout……I understand that your life is compromised and difficult …even better than that you know it is because you have to try and deal with it every minute of every day…As for them they know absolute ZILCH!! If you havent already done so please contact your local’MIND’, Tell them about your mental health,Tell them that you need an advocate to discuss your options.Tell them how distressed and worried you are…I did, I am glad I did they have been very supportive all the way…can I ask you. you don,t have to answer of course but are you on Disability living allowance? If not then you should be,,’MIND’ can also help you with the forms for this benefit….good luck..

    Comment by lyn — April 17, 2012 @ 10:16 pm

  350. Hi Sharon.

    Yes I believe there is a human rights law that stops this inhuman treatment of seriously ill and disabled people, but our Government have decided they can ignore it, you will notice they don’t ignore human rights laws when it comes to dealing with certain alleged terrorists from Jordan, Theresa May has the audacity to stand up in Parliament and spout to everyone that she can’t allow Government workers to disobey the law, but she and her colleagues in Government can give the go ahead to contractors like ATOS healthcare to lie and cheat and fabricate assessment reports left right and centre to pass on to criminal decision makers in the DWP.
    The arrogance of these people is astounding, but one day the worm will turn and they will pay for their criminal activity.
    Anyway the advice from Lyn is correct and contacting MIND is what you should do in the meantime, until we all find a way out of this mess.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 17, 2012 @ 11:29 pm

  351. im so angry as i failed my medical in march i sent the appeal form and a 3 month med certificate back to them (atos) in plenty of time infact it was 2nd april, i hadnt heard back from them on mon this week so i rang them as i would usually get paid this friday and hey guess what theyre saying they havnt received anything from me i said “your kidding me” the reply was “unfortunately no im not kidding you” after being on the phone for half hour before getting through …and who pays for that ?…yea us .. i was told i had to resend it all AGAIN and call them back AGAIN on wed luckily i had photocopies i had to take it all to the jobcentre for them to fax it through when i got there on the bus ( more money im havin to pay out cos of them) they wouldnt do it for me i was told to make an appointment so then i had to go back 3 hours later … i was so angry by now …fuming , rang them back on wed i was told i wont be getting any payment from them this week as it takes a few days for them to look at the appeal letters etc and it is to be agreed i can go ahead with the appeal ……i could ring a number for a crisis loan ‘they said haha thats all the advise she could give me then ring them back on fri (tommorow) to see if they have looked at my appeal …. so i am being penalised for their incompitance and its like there isnt anything i can do about it as theyre allowed to do this to us and they know it …. yea as someone said near the top of the page its saving them money by doing this to so many people …… yet we have to suffer , wish me luckk with my phonecall tommorow maybe i will ring them today … there should at least be a free phone number if so does anyone have it ? thanks

    Comment by steffi mae — April 19, 2012 @ 7:38 am

  352. Hello Steffi.

    Now you know what we are up against, because you now have direct experience of how the DWP operate, by the way I do hope You sent the appeal and sick line to the DWP and not to ATOS.
    I know your telling the truth because the same thing happened to me, and more than once, it’s a disgrace that they should be allowed to get away with this, but it seems that the DWP at least for the moment are unaccountable and can do what they like.

    I have a sick line right now ready to send to them and believe it or not I’m scared to send it to them because I know these incompetent fools might/could lose it, I hate the DWP, I hate the bastards with a passion you wouldn’t believe.

    You get them on here (This blog) occasionally whining about how hard the job is, and how they sympathise with our plight etc, and shouldn’t/don’t blame them it’s not their fault and so on.

    Well if the job at the DWP is so stressful it’s about time they took their own advice then and got another job or another career because according to them it’s so easy to get a job, it’s so easy to get another career.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 19, 2012 @ 8:35 am

  353. helloooo thanks for replying yea i did send it to the place at the top of my decision letter ‘dwp. got me thinking then haha., you dont happen to have a free phone number for the dwp/atos place do you? im gonna give them another call and demand some money AGAIN . quite right in what your saying yea they should take their own stupid advice if they cant hack it ! thanks again :)

    Comment by steffi mae — April 19, 2012 @ 9:37 am

  354. I just want people to know in case it can help someone…I am very unwell with various health problems too much to go into but the most recent one is a heart operation and another due this may…All this time, in fact the day I came out of hospital still not fully awake because of the aneasthetic,These C—s were on my back,I have been given a heart monitor at home,and it still does not stop them…The C—s put me in the wrag without even seeing me..I appealed ..every single phone conversation to and from the C—s is recorded..quite simple if you have speaker phone,[usually in charity shops for a couple of quid]..Once on the phone one of them tried to change my mind about an appeal[I think they realised that I maybe ill and that they,ve made a great big c–k up.But just because i,m ill does not make me stupid..So I said NO i want to go ahead with the appeal because I want to tell the panel about what you lot are doing to people,And I Mean that….I also have a recording of one of the stuffed shirts who was foolish enough to laugh at me….Silly boy……and its name too…As I have mentioned before I turned to ‘MIND’ and they have supported me so much..I still have to fill in the daft forms from Atos they still insist on sending them..,I still get letters from the job centre telling me to go there and talk about getting back to work…Got one the other day,telling me to go there on the exact same day as my next operation in may…even though they know all this..they know about the heart monitor…I just call’Mind’.Then they call them and in directly tell them to leave me alone..it is all about money.. Also I want to add something about what Sharon Hudson said…about all the work her doctors had done with her to try and make her life more bearable has now been undone, this has happened to me to and i,m sure many others especially with mental health issues..I think a signed account by these Doctors would really stand up at a tribunal…Why should these bunch of morons get away with making an already difficult life miserable as well…its CRIMINAL.

    Comment by lyn — April 19, 2012 @ 9:52 am

  355. Hello Steffi Mae.

    If you had sent it to ATOS you would have been no further on because they wouldn’t have bothered telling the DWP and would have thrown it in the nearest bin anyway.
    I don’t know what the solution is because it’s really all down to the DWP, they are actually interfering with their own working lives, they are actually making their lives more difficult because they know there is a serious problem with missing sick notes and letters but still they do nothing.
    The only numbers available are the ones you get on the correspondence they send us, mine is an 0845 number, and should be free from the house, I believe it costs from a mobile though but I haven’t actually tried it, that’s just what I’ve been told.
    By the way I don’t phone them because it’s a waste of time, the people that reply on these phones are morons, so I write them a letter keep my fingers crossed and hope it gets through.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 19, 2012 @ 10:02 am

  356. RESULT :) ive just rang them and 20 min later i got through and i have been granted ‘weyhey’ as from today every 2 weeks half my usual payment better than nothing i suppose, done me good coming on here its helped to let it all out thankyou very much , the 0845 numbers are only free to a BT landline and as ive just changed from them its not free no more,good idea i think next time i shall be writing to them … i wish you luck in your appeal and everyone else on here i expect i shall be back my doc told me they are getting through appeals really quickly at the moment and as im waiting for a couple of ops to be done he only gave me a 3 month sick note that was a month ago, i dont know what will happen if they knock me back again can we appeal again ? even if i was fit for work who would employ anyone awaiting op’s ‘ nobody i expect ……….i’ll be back soon thanks again

    Comment by steffi mae — April 19, 2012 @ 11:30 am

  357. i liked lyn’s line in her message ‘ Why should these bunch of morons get away with making an already difficult life miserable as well…its CRIMINAL….. well said lyn

    Comment by steffi mae — April 19, 2012 @ 11:38 am

  358. Steffie.

    If you were unfortunate enough to lose an appeal then there’s nothing to stop you from re-applying for ESA, the only conditions are your health has to have worsened or you have a new health problem, and one last condition is 6 months have had to have passed from the date when you were last told by the DWP you were fit for work.
    The three months sick line is normal, when it runs out just get another three months sick line etc and hand it to the DWP, since appeals are taking over six months at least at the moment then the condition that six months have had to have passed is easily met.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 19, 2012 @ 1:51 pm

  359. Hello Lyn.

    Of course they are going to try and persuade you not to appeal to get in to the support group, because that’s what they have been told to do to keep the figures down, and they also know you will win.
    I think it’s them who should be asking for help from MIND not us..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 19, 2012 @ 1:57 pm

  360. john – hey just in shock over what’s going on with atos and dwp i’m waiting for my face to face assesment sent form back but haven’t heard back been nearly two months can’t phone them no phone also can’t talk on phone my health problems are all mental health issues spent a long time street homless because of them managed through a freind to get a house in a different location now am often shut in and can’t deal with any kind of stress as this often makes me suicidal thought of being homless again too much to cope with i live in scotland where there are no mind advocates ,before moving up here i got a lot of help from mind as before i refused to even admit i had mental health problems and they helped me destigmatize my own reaction to my problems .trouble is i’m completly isolated here very rare contact with gp never seeing same one i’m on meds – anti depressants , anxity meds but despite being agoraphobic will have to go to this assesment alone as i know no one here and i can’t afford to have my benefit stopped as would starve i’m on income support but i don’t have to sign that’s the only allowance for my illness/personality disorders after reading through great forum , i must admit i am just considering just singing on though as i am no way strong enough to fight this not without help i live on a island no mental health help here . i just feel so sorry for what everyone has to go through and want to say well done to them for fighting this viscious gang of a**holes and morally bankrupt psychopaths

    Comment by Anonymous — April 19, 2012 @ 3:38 pm

  361. I think you are exactly right…most of them havent got one brain cell between them & if I didnt know better I,d say they were reading from a script….& thank you steffi mae…its just that I know so many people who are ill, I can actually see it with my own eyes the psychological effect its had on them….And when I go i,m going to make sure the tribunal knows all this…[sorry for bad spelling]…Like to just add that when I first found this site I was in a terrible state,even felt suicidal…frightened , intimidated..Apart from a few weak moments I have felt stronger,I am angry now that I have things into perspective,but its not an anger that wears me out…its an anger at injustice.and I know how to use that to every ones advantage…

    Comment by lyn — April 19, 2012 @ 3:59 pm

  362. John,sorry to hear that you are so isolated..Hope you dont mind…but you might find the following helpful.. I note you have no phone and also find it difficult to talk on one…If at all possible there is someone that could go with you to a phone box? Then please try an organisation called Breathing space its only for use in Scotland.its a free phone number.0800 83 85 87..MONDAY TO THURSDAY FROM 6PM TO 2AM…FRI/WEEKENDS 6PM TO 6AM. If its not possible to access and use a phone…please try and email them…They say to expect an answer within 3 /4 days..info@breathingspace.co.uk They can help you i,m sure….They deal with a wide range of health problems and money worries…please try….nothing ventured nothing gained…good luck.

    Comment by lyn — April 19, 2012 @ 6:28 pm

  363. As many of might no by now I have to wright 4 my mum ‘ I’m Lisa ‘ & my mum is Marie ‘ she suffers from tenosynovitis ‘ & like most of u is at her wits end of atos & wpb wot ever they r called, I’m sat wiv her rite now ‘ she is in so much pain ‘ n just now wants 2 end it all ‘ ( die) as she can’t live normal life just life of pain n life of on her own n now this from benefits saying she can work wot a joke ‘ let’s just hope mates on here we can talk herb round .HELP PLEASE xx

    Comment by Lisa — April 19, 2012 @ 11:43 pm


    Comment by Lisa — April 19, 2012 @ 11:53 pm

  365. Lisa …please make your mum a cup of tea..sit down with her, please explain to her that nearly if not all of us on here have felt like that,including myself…..The pain that your mum is in is most likely being made much worse by the stress caused from ATOS/DWP..try and settle her into bed…and tomorrow call your mums doctor…keep it brief..tell them you are worried about your mum ,tell them that she has been put into the work catergory and that she is unwell, in constant chronic pain and you need them to support you…Please tell your mum from me that she is not alone.There are many others feeling the same right now…tomorrow your mum can look at things in a more positive light…As for the pain..I know that theres nothing to take that pain away painkillers make you drowsy but dont really do much for pain..but there are other treatments..I dont know where you live but I wonder if you,ve heard of the EXPERT PATIENTS PROGRAMME..At the moment they have just started a persistent pain course…its totally free..I hope you have one in your area..This one is in Greenwich/Charlton..if you are near there please come back and I can put the details for you to contact…As for the job centre saying she can work? you really need to talk with the person in charge on here because I dont know much about that but I think that because of what your mum suffers from its clear to me that because of health and safety rules she could not be employed anyway…I,m wondering if the decision could be appealed ? Please tell your mum to try and not worry because she needs her energy.and not to waste her energy on the stupid idiot letters ..please tell her also that I will be putting you both in my prayers tonight to pray for strength for you…Apparently some of tomorrow will be sunny..Dont let them b——s ruin that day!! goodnight god bless Marie & Lisa.xx xx

    Comment by lyn — April 20, 2012 @ 12:44 am

  366. Hi lyn ‘ thank u 4 yr time in writing bk ‘ I had 2 call other family members in tonight as not that often my mum shows her deep feelingvs as she is very deep & personall person ‘ I’m apstill feeling very upbset by ow all this has got my mum & ow her pain affected. Her this evening concidering she is like this most of her life ‘ I’m really worried bout her ‘ she seems to ave lost her sole ‘ it’s to much to put in 2 words as I’ve been wiv her every step of the way 4 last 16 yrs but really now justbdontnno wotbshe is going 2 do next S she seems to b in very dark place at mo PLEASE HELP

    Comment by Lisa — April 20, 2012 @ 1:00 am

  367. I have made her cup of t & had good chat ‘ but don’t think she really feels any better bas of her pain n feeling usualess & can’t live normal life x help

    Comment by Lisa — April 20, 2012 @ 1:05 am

  368. Lisa, your mum is being like that at the moment because she must be thinking that she will have to go out to work somewhere,and she,s worried because if she cannot cope with every day things like holding a cup without dropping it,then how is she supposed to go to work..this is why they/job centre.atos.dwp/cant be allowed to do this to her, but thats all i can give you on that for now just in case i give you the wrong information,..I,m glad you told other family members and they came round…you sound like you are worn out with worry to Lisa…would it be possible to make a few sandwiches etc and take your mum out for a picnic in a local park or something..you know something nice to take her mind of off it for awhile..? I hope the family members have perhaps calmed her down a bit….And you can now relax and get some sleep..but please make sure your mums doctor knows about whats happened tonight..when things have settled down a bit. you will be able to see other options and then things maybe wont seem so bad…I wish I could do more….try and get some rest Lisa..x

    Comment by lyn — April 20, 2012 @ 1:23 am

  369. Thank u 4 yr comment lyn ‘ been great help ‘ but not used to seeing my mum in such dark place ‘ really do believe she has had enough ‘ just dont no wot 2 do nextas she refuses 2 c gp as they can’t help any more ‘ just wish I cud get het there to tell them wot has been happening of late & just may be they cud do something ‘ or new drugs anything to keep her here x& my b happy

    Comment by Lisa — April 20, 2012 @ 1:36 am

  370. Hello Lisa.

    What’s the circumstances at the moment ? has your mum been granted ESA ? and put in to the work related category ? is she getting money ? has she been refused ESA ? is she appealing any DWP decisions ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 20, 2012 @ 7:07 am

  371. Lisa,If you can,t get your mum to go to the doctors,or the doctor to come out to you….[ got more chance of a date with George Clooney ] Then write to her doctor ,, again keep it brief and to the point..,.something like..Dear Doctor,,As you are aware my mother Marie../////// suffers from ///// say all health conditions,.,She is in constant pain,.and is finding it hard to cope , As of late her condition has been made much worse by being put under pressure from the DWP,,They have made an unreasonable decision about my mum and now say she has to go to work,.As you know Doctor //////// her condition is very debilitating…She is extremely depressed due to the unfair treatment…I am therefore asking you for your support..I t would be so helpful if you could please write a detailed letter for us…please Acknowledge my letter Doctor/////// I am very worried and dont know what else to do ….Thank you very much ////////From Lisa ///////// Send by recorded delivery…keep a copy…if you can include your mums hospital number,,,,Apart from that I don,t know what else to say because I don,t know if you have appealed?or what happened at medical? points etc? Later on Lisa someone else could come up with better or more advice then this so keep an open mind,,,you don,t have to take this advice,,,its just an idea…good luck.

    Comment by lyn — April 20, 2012 @ 7:18 am

  372. HELP!!! having a weak moment….As I think I,ve said before I have several health conditions,,,,The most recent being two heart defects,I have a heart monitor here that records everything…That means that the seizures I have just had will be recorded at the hospital,The same hospital where I had this thing fitted into my chest wall.and I,m due to go back next tues to discuss further procedure in may..In the meantime I ,m supposed to avoid stress…Thats a laugh…You may remember that I always advise people to contact ‘MIND’ which I did last week because even though I have an appeal going through the morons still keep bugging me…And even though also I was put into the WRAG by some other faceless nameless morons without even having a medical.They still insist on sending me their grey letters…one arrived today..but then again it is friday so no prizes for working that one out…its done for maximum effect….Tried to phone them[you may remember I record everything ] just as well because after calling twice only to listen to a lot of irrelevant nonsense…was strangely cut off…call me paranoid which I am sometimes but I think it was done on purpose..finally get to talk to someone …they say oh yes why didnt you attend work appointment….I say you were contacted by ‘Mind’..was we? well theres nothing here to say that? so I,m wondering if ‘Mind’ have also been frightened off by them..I tell the moron on the phone that i have to go back to hospital .blah blah ,blah…I could have been telling her I have a pimple on my Arse the reaction would have been the same…When I calmed down..lots of deep breaths…I called the cardiac unit .told them I can,t avoid stress like you advised because of mental cruelty brigade..They are going to talk with me about it on tues and then they are going to contact them…In the meantime what I want to know is if I have an appeal going through against the WRAG decision..Then can they still send me these letters and still expect me to attend back to work interviews or is it ok not to go…Or should I just go and plug my heart monitor in their cruel ill informed Arses…hey!! they might work better then…

    Comment by lyn — April 20, 2012 @ 11:20 am

  373. Hello Lyn.

    You don’t need to do anything they say, but if you want your benefits then you have to go, if you don’t go then it’s more stress etc.
    It’s a catch 22, but if you can take your heart monitor and sit down at the WFAs desk and plug it in, then I think you will find they will not ask you to attend a work focused interview ever again, and you will still get your benefits.
    Lyn could you pick a username and log in to the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org , the forum members are always interested in helping people like yourself who are being abused by the system.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 20, 2012 @ 1:02 pm

  374. The back to work interviews I have attended have been relatively simple affairs where I was given information on what help is available to me should I feel I was ready to return to work. I was informed as I was too physically ill to attend (mobility issues) I could have my next interview over the phone. I have never heard of anyone being “forced” back to work so if that’s what is worrying you?

    Reliance on a third party to do something for you is fraught with danger, I know people like me have cognitive issues and often need help of another person, hell that’s why we (dwp examination) exist. When you engage the assistance of another person to help you it is often better to ensure they do what they say they are going to do to ensure it gets done. I can hear shouts of “what’s the point of asking for help if you have to see something through yourself”?. Well the answer is simple, if someone trusted me to do something for them I would do it, if I couldn’t do it I would not accept the task. People like me who have issues which we may need help with must also take some responsibility for our actions and ensure all is well. Having done the above it is pretty safe to lay the blame firmly at the feet of the person (DWP in this case) rather than at the feet of our assistant.

    The result of this is the stress you are suffering, best thing to do is to

    a contact MIND and see if the call was made in the first place.

    b if it wasn’t made find out why.

    c if there isn’t a good reason for the call not being made, complain

    d if the call wasn’t made then you must go back to MIND demand they help you sort out the mess they created by not keeping their end of the bargain.

    You are not paranoid, sometimes calls are interrupted at inappropriate times particularly and unusually when calling the dwp, notice it is never the other way around when they call you?

    I do not know for certain what the situation is regarding an appeal of this nature. I assume, and I stress its an assumption that as with other forms of appeal the status Quo must be maintained and that may mean you do not have to attend back to work interviews.



    Comment by dwpexamination — April 20, 2012 @ 1:04 pm

  375. I am astonished, the brown envelope syndrome again, the brown envelope has just been put through the door with DWP on it, i thought it was a letter for a new work related interview, as i cancelled the interview this week due to exacerbation of crohns disease, they are sending me a new appointment date out.
    To my astonishment they have given me DLA, both levels at the lower rate, but i am very very surprised.
    I took my bundle into my branch of job centre plus yesterday for reconsideration and ? appeal for ESA, to be put in the support group, from the wrag group, as i had new medical evidence to give them, my contribution based esa finishes 30th April 2012, i feel quite confident with reference to doing the appeal as LIP.
    They said they didn’t give out receipts, so i am about to telephone them now to see if the information has been recorded on their system.they said the bundle will be sent by internal post, if i was a gambler I WOULD BET THAT THE PACKAGE DOESN’T GET THERE, THANK GOD I HAVE COPIES OF EVERYTHING TO SEND AGAIN IF THE PACKAGE GOES MISSING.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 20, 2012 @ 1:27 pm

  376. Thank you Nelson..I have now registered…update….a couple of hours ago I get a call from the job centre..nice lady this time she said the following which has confused the F out of me….on our systems it appears you were indeed in The WRAG group . but in December 2011 your tribunal appeal was cancelled and you were then put into the support group..however sometime in the start of this year you have been put back into the WRAG..???F——-G CONFUSING OR WHAT!!!my head feels like I have a merry go round in it …I,m convinced that they have only called me because I told them I had contacted the cardiac unit…which I have…She said that she promises to sort it out and get back to me monday….I HOPE YOU ARE OK NOW MARIE AND LISA…..ITS A GOOD IDEA TO KEEP COPIES OF EVERY SINGLE THING.ALISON.I DON,T TRUST THEM…MIND HAS JUST CALLED AND RESPONDED TO MY MESSAGE ,AND GUESS WHAT THEY WERE INFORMED NOT JUST BY PHONE CALL BUT BY LETTER AS WELL…..VERY FRIGHTENING…THANK YOU ALL IN THE MEANTIME I,M KNOCKING MYSELF OUT WITH A COUPLE OF SLEEPERS…TODAY HAS BEEN FAR TOO MUCH TO TAKE….X

    Comment by lyn — April 20, 2012 @ 2:58 pm

  377. Hi DWP examination. I went to the CAB as per your advise and was assigned a rep to deal with my appeal. Because i had already requested the ATOS medical report etc and replied to it, then recieved a letter saying my appeal has been sent to the tribunel service, he said alls i can do now is wait for a tribunal date. He then phoned me today and said “After looking at the ATOS report, he said its not the full report and that its only a part of it, he said the Tribunel service will send me a copy of the full report in a few weeks and a copy to him because hes my rep. The report was 17 pages or so from the nurse who seen me on the day. Am i missing something, is there some “other” report that hasnt been sent?

    Many thanks.

    Comment by Tyson — April 20, 2012 @ 3:41 pm

  378. Hello Tyson.

    It seems the CAB advisor is telling you that part of the report is missing, there is only one ESA 85 assessment report and he can see there’s something not right, when you get the full report in a couple of weeks then it will all fit together.
    The reason the CAB advisor can’t help you at the moment is because you have already done all the work, and he is telling you the next stage is to be patient and just wait for the appeal date.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 20, 2012 @ 4:02 pm

  379. Hello Lyn.

    As I have said before there is no rhyme or reason in the way the DWP work, their organisation is a complete shambles..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 20, 2012 @ 4:04 pm

  380. Hi DWP , thanks for your advice. Will post back if i get any updates. :)

    Comment by Tyson — April 20, 2012 @ 4:16 pm

  381. Hi My Name is Chris

    i have just recieved my medical exam results which was a sham from start to finish i had the same doctor inspect my health as i had seen 2 years previous when i was going through recovering from a stoke,He told me then i was not fit for work at that time due to me just having had a stroke so i was awarded full benefit and no more was said about this until last week ,my right arm is numb from the elbow up to my shoulder and i can’t feel very well with my hand (ie) i lose grip easily without knowing, my eye sight on my left side is weak and getting worse even with glasses i have to keep getting retested for new glasses regularly my left leg gives way under extreme stress and i also suffer with miagraines and blackouts in the summer months when its excessively hot. I missed the target for qualifing by 3 points due to the doctor not including my blackouts correctly saying and i quote (has blackout less than once a month)When in fact i have them nearly every 2 to 3 days during the summer, i have had 4 years of jumping through hoops just to sort out my benefits up till know being told that in one months time i will not get my benefits at all, my landlord will most probably let me stay in my home for upto six months as long as i am able to sort this problem out but how the heck do i start ?who should i ask for help a solicitor or c.a.b who’s best to help me please help as i have got to the end of a very very long rope and iam fresh out of idea’s oh and yes i have filled in the toilet roll sheet from the dwp for my appeal already ty

    Comment by Chris Greenfield — April 21, 2012 @ 2:36 am

  382. Hello Chris.

    First of all before you send of your appeal, contact your nearest welfare rights or CAB and ask if they can help by looking at your appeal and if they will check that it’s correctly filled in, that will help get you in their door, but since you only have a month then don’t delay sending the appeal because they (DWP) can give you serious hassle.

    You say you will lose your benefits in one months time ? you must be on contributory ESA then, this poxy Government have recently brought in a new law which said that anyone on contributory ESA work related group will lose it after a year, and not only that it will be retrospective as well, this is why they are telling you that you will lose it in May because you are well over a year on work related contributory ESA.

    If you have a partner earning £149 a week then you will lose it, if you have savings over a certain amount then you will lose it, I’m assuming you have some savings and that’s why you don’t qualify anymore, you can’t go on to income related ESA because the same rules apply, you can only get income related ESA if your savings or income is virtually nil, in other words you have to be like me (Hasn’t got a pot to piss in).

    There is only one way to go and that is to appeal and try and get in to the support goup of ESA because the above law doesn’t apply, it only applies to the work related contributory ESA, and that is why you should make an effort to contact the nearest welfare rights or CAB because they know what can help get the Support group in an appeal and what cant.

    Chris I’m not being funny but you really need to keep ahead of the Tory game, they don’t want you/us to have any money, they don’t want you/us to be ill, let’s be honest about this, they just want you/us to die and their paying out sickness benefit problems are over.

    If the Tories win the next election (God forbid) you and I will get taken to a special camp somewhere in Britain (Probably some island of the North of Scotland that no one visits or cares about) for special treatment, and I’m not joking, get switched on and quick because they are going to switch you off.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 7:43 am

  383. Back from my very long deep sleep.not supposed to take sleeping pills with heart defects but really could not cope yesterday and I could not stop my head from spinning with the mental anguish caused by these nameless faceless Bastards…..I,m still none the wiser till Monday….dwpexamination….I know you are not joking I have been thinking along these lines for awhile now..When you take into consideration what some Governments have done to their people. And Cameron,Grayling,Osborne,and the rest of the Nazi type excuse for human beings are just so sneaky..They are a Government turning on their own people,not just ill/disabled/elderly..but people that work hard but are just unfortunate enough to be low earners…will they get away with it? probably because if we tried to voice that to someone ,anyone who would listen they,d most likely wonder if we wasnt the full ticket,one brick short of a tower block..I talk to someone in the USA have done for a few years through President changes,Apparently Obama pretty much the same..no compassion,people that are unwell don,t stand a chance..Cameron has a crafty knack of getting his own way but then again he is like a spoilt child and as we all know they always get what they want….He made a speech about people in council property..If you have more rooms then you need you should down size give your place up for a family..this upset me i have been here 20+ years..but i then came round to the idea thought ok maybe with help i can do that…this was until two other empty council houses were occupied rented to immigrant men in their 3s and 4s? no wives? no kids? no families then?So F u Cameron its a great big NO from me…Getting back to original comment,sorry I do tend to wander off but I am lonely..as I,m sure most of you have experienced that along with ill health you find that your lonely as well because you cant join in with fun activities,you have to think and plan and that takes the fun out of stuff so people dont bother much with you…But anyway what about someone to try and help us to bring to light what This nasty Government is doing..Dont know why but I keep thinking of Stephen Fry he comes across as a caring man that has compassion and I believe he did make a comment before about Government plan,s….I wish I could sue the DWP/ATOS/JC/ I had two seizures yesterday..I get them anyway which is why i have a heart monitor but the fact that the cardiac unit told me to avoid stress and that this lot of moronic Tory Boot Licker,s have done nothing but put me and many others under extreme stress ,There must be a way,,And we must make 100% sure they DO NOT WIN the next election..other wise I dread to think of the outcome..

    Comment by lyn — April 21, 2012 @ 9:30 am

  384. Hello Lyn.

    This is now Germany 1934, Herr Cameron hates the poor, the disabled, as for the low earners etc he has nothing but complete contemt, he’s worse than the Sheriff of Nottingham, next thing you know Cameron will be cancelling the Xmas scraps for the orphans.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 11:03 am

  385. Having my contribution based esa terminated on April 30th 2012, which means we will be £400 a month worse off,we will be really struggling financially, i may have to decide to go back to work and do one shift a week, i will obviously have to be seen by occupational health, but the post hysteroscopy pain has now abbated i feel that i might be able to contribute a few hours at work, i am on the nursing bank, and have to now ring on the morning of a late shift up to 12pm, and do a few hours that day, that is how my line manager and HR have decided to mannage my addaptions, due to many cancelled shifts in the past, due to diarrhoea having to cancel shifts within an hour before i was due to go to work.
    I will not do anything drastic, but we cant live on fresh air,do you think if i deided to work one shift a week, do you think that the DWP would sanction me, as you can work up to 16 hours a week even if you are in the support group, feedback please.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 21, 2012 @ 11:59 am

  386. I can,t say what I really want to now so you will have to read between the lines…and I know you can do that…put it this way WOMD Blair was fortunate enough to walk off into the sunset and write a book making him even richer and although he f—–d up with the war and that he did in effect apologise., , which helped just a little bit to lets say let him off the hook..Cameron does not have it in him to apologise for anything ,I mean all the lives lost so far to suicides,loss of family life,,persecution of people who by no fault of their own have disabilities..everything in life has a consequence…I would not want to be Cameron..when the chickens come home to roost…you only have to read through history to see what happens to Governments that turn on their own people…..The sun has come out..what a lovely day…I feel much more positive today,Thank you.X

    Comment by lyn — April 21, 2012 @ 12:34 pm

  387. It stad…can you elaborate more please…Thank you

    Comment by lyn — April 21, 2012 @ 12:59 pm

  388. Hello Lyn.

    That was spam that made it through the filter LOL, we get about a hundred of those a day, and it’s rare for even one to slip through, anyway I deleted it myself.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 1:41 pm

  389. Hello Allison.

    Are you already on the support group ? I have to assume you are not because they can’t stop your ESA.
    So you must be on contributory ESA work related, if so then as you say it stops at the end of April, so you are not getting any benefits so how can you be sanctioned if your doing some work ?, It’s probably me that’s reading it wrong.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 1:46 pm

  390. Hello Lyn.

    Don’t you worry about Cameron, he’s going to get everything he asked for, this Mays council elections is going to be his first eye opener, oh and Clegg too..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 1:50 pm

  391. Ah I see, Could,n,t quite make out if it was praise or sarcasm…Because I know that some people who think they are invincible tend to be not very understanding about people like us…..That is until they go through a windscreen,get knocked down,and so on…..Consequences….

    Comment by lyn — April 21, 2012 @ 1:50 pm

  392. Hi, i have put in an appeal to be put into the support group,i have also asked for a reconsideration first, my medical examination was on 9th March 2012, i wa notified two weeks later that i would be placed in the WRAG group, it took the DWP over three weeks to send me a copy of the atos medical report, which only allowed me ten days to put my appeal together, they wouldnt give me any longer to submitt by appeal, because of their delay in them sending me a copy of the atos medical examination, the 28 day deadline for appeal was 21st April, which is today, i took the appeal bundle into my local DWP branch on 19th April, they refused to give me a receipt, and said the bundle would be sent by internal mail, hope they have got it in time.
    Yes my contribution based ESA is suposed to terminate 30th April, but a Guy on the phone said that it shouldnt finish until sometime in May, so i will send them another letter recorded delivery about that.
    With appealing to get into the support group, i just wondered because of this if i worked one shift at work the DWP might think that i have done a Lazarous act, and they may think i am lying about the seriousness of my medical conditions, i also have given them new medical evidence post hysteroscopy findings, but as i have already said i will be loosing £400 a month, so because of this i need to ge money from somewhere, and the only way is to do that shift at work, as i feel slightly recovered from the after effects of surgery, i feel that to aid my depression as well a few hours at work may help,to bring that lost revenue in as well as being good for my brain.
    Another question can you e mail the DWP ?

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 21, 2012 @ 2:04 pm

  393. I cant gewt income based esa because my husband is working full time.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 21, 2012 @ 2:06 pm

  394. Hello Allison.

    You are appealing to get in the support group ok got that, to be eligible to be in the support group your pulse rate has to be almost zero, so if they find out you are working to get some money to survive then unfortunately and in my opinion they will hold that against you at an appeal, in fact they will be tripping over themselves to tell the appeal panel you are capable of work and not only should you not be in the support group but not entitled to sickness benefits at all.

    Of course, you and I know this is all bullshit, but unfortunately the twisted minds of the DWP don’t see it that way, I can see your catch 22 situation and it’s extremely frustrating, they have planned all this to cause as much chaos to peoples lives as possible.
    They stop your money so you have to struggle to do some work to get some to just survive and they use that to deny you from ever getting any, they want us of benefits even if it kills us, it’s a nightmare.

    Remember if you are appealing for the support group you can’t just say well it only applies to the time I was told by the DWP I was fit for work and placed in the WRAG, because as I said TO BE ELIGIBLE for the support group is ongoing, in other words ALMOST DEAD with no hope of recovery.

    Examples of the support group would be CANCER with a few months to live, Quadriplegic, seriously mentally retarded, all your bones are broken and you are lying on a hospital bed, if you had lung cancer and can be controlled by chemotherapy, I believe they would deny you the support group, my point is to be eligible for the support group you have to be beyond ill.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 2:31 pm

  395. I just don’t know what to do, have put the appeal in but we will be in poverty like others,the appeal will take many months i bet, i doubt whether they will reconsider?
    I will have to see how i feel in a weeks time,because i am in the WRAG group and loosing benefit, in that sense i suppose i have got nothing to loose by going back to work, if i worked a Sunday i would get more money than i would be allowed anyway, it is a catch 22, because crohns is very debilitating but i do have an occasional good day when i could work a few hours.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 21, 2012 @ 2:59 pm

  396. I remember several years ago my Son was on the sick due to depression, he had the dreaded atos medical, as usual he scored zero points, appealed and won, but he had found a job two weeks before he got the appeal result back because he felt slightly better so he found himself a part time job.
    A friend of mine has been on JSA for five years, they put her on a mandatory work placement, after three days she went sick with the gastric flu bug, she then applied for income based ESA for the two weeks she had off, she has now had the dreaded questionnaire to fill from atos, even though she has signed back on JSA.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 21, 2012 @ 3:10 pm

  397. Hello Allison.

    Oh he’s a Dictator all right there’s no doubt about that.

    And your right the appeal will take a while, sometimes as much as nearly a year, just make sure you have all the medical reports for them to read and answer the questions correctly to give yourself the best chance, I wish you the best of luck on that one.
    Keep us informed and take care..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 3:46 pm

  398. Allison…She’s on JSA and she has had a letter from ATOS demanding she attends an examination ? just proves they haven’t a clue what they are doing, you just couldn’t flippen well make it up could you ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 3:49 pm

  399. If it takes a year god help us all, they expect us to live without money for a year?, JESUS, my husband will be penniless by then, after he has supported me with no money whatsoever coming in, in that case i will have no choice, i suppose i will have to drop the appeal then? that is what they want us all to do? and to be dead,
    This Government has brought the Country to its knees. they have got more rights in Egypt than us now,transport is a hundred percent better than ours, they even get sick pay now.
    Yes she has been on JSA for five years, she was put on a mandatory work placement, was there for three days, became ill for weeks had to sign off JSA for the two weeks, she applied for income based esa for the two weeks,got payed, felt better, went to sign on again for JSA, then earlier this week got the atos health questionnaire to fill in, i wonder now if they will dock her two weeks esa they paid her?
    How do you stop your appeal then just send them a written letter?
    The trouble with crohns and bowel adhesions you can have one good day, and the rest of the week in agony,.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 21, 2012 @ 4:09 pm

  400. They stopped my appeal without telling me? I only found this out yesterday ..I was appealing about being put into the WRAG group…got told also that I was in WRAG then Support then WRAG….I think they don,t know what to do with me…I told them I record everything at the end of any conversation…I told them I wanted to go for the appeal so I can tell the panel exactly what they are doing to people ..So I think they are giving me a bad time because of that……I know it sounds mad but I think they are capable of anything..I won,t back down though..

    Comment by lyn — April 21, 2012 @ 5:21 pm

  401. Hello Allison.

    Are you getting any money from them while you are appealing ? I’ll take a guess you are not, so what is to stop you from doing some work ? if they did find out then what are they going to do about it other than informing the panel you worked a shift or two, after all you were just trying your best to get work ready, I don’t see how you have anything to lose by carrying on with the appeal, it’s not as if they can take money from you if they are not giving you any.

    If I were in your shoes I would do what suits me not them, but it’s up to you what you do next, remember anything can happen in the next year, who knows what can happen, maybe ATOS will be found out for what they are, maybe the appeals will be bursting at the seams and can’t cope and you get a letter saying you have won your appeal so don’t bother turning up, as I said you have absolutely nothing to lose by carrying on..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 5:44 pm

  402. Hello Lyn.

    They have stopped your appeal and allowed you in to the support group without a fight ? is that what you are saying ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 5:50 pm

  403. Thank you for the advice, no after 30th April my contribution based ESA is finished, i cant get income based esa because my husband works full time, so we will be loosing £400, i was placed in the WRAG group about a month ago, after atos medical, i had 18 points,they didn’t take any of my medical conditions into consideration.the points given were based on my depression and anxiety brought on by chronic pain, ie crohns disease, hiatus hernia causing daily gastric pain, RLS, and other conditions to many to name.
    I was on the sick since last April, and they only called me for a medical in March 2012, so i was on the basic £67 a week contribution based esa until i was placed in the WRAG group post medical a few weeks ago, passed the medical put into the wrag group a month ago, i had new medical evidence to give post hysteroscopy, i was feeling so ill for the past month because of post operative bloating exacerbating my medical problems problems, so ithought i would appeal and get put into the support group.
    I waited a month for the medical report only to get it ten days ago, they would give me no more time to appeal, so i had to do it myself, without help from CAB ETC, but i am used to representing people at family court hearings, with my group PAIN, due to this i decided to go LIP.
    I am getting no money from the 30th April,

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 21, 2012 @ 6:18 pm

  404. Hello Alison.

    Since they are not going to be giving you anything then as I said I don’t see what you have to lose..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 7:05 pm

  405. No..I was put into the WRAG without being seen without going through the Gas Chamber experiment ‘medical’.,…So I appealed..They phoned me late last year,[this was the same call where one of the twits laughed at me]I told him to laugh his back side off because I had it recorded…followed by silence…gulp..call ends..Then another twit calls up 5 mins later talking softly.kindly.I think trying to suggest I cancel appeal I said NO!! so as far as I was concerned I had an appeal going through….But on thursday they tell me its been cancelled.,And on their wonderful systems They can see it as follows…WRAG…APPEAL…SUPPORT GROUP…APPEAL CANCELLED..NOW WRAG AGAIN….which is why I knocked myself out with pills…sorry can,t explain any better than that…..I,m just in knots over it…heart monitor will have smoke coming out of it soon if this goes on much longer….

    Comment by lyn — April 21, 2012 @ 8:37 pm

  406. Hello Lyn.

    They just don’t want you to appeal and get in the support group, maybe they know you will win ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 21, 2012 @ 11:17 pm

  407. Its horrible no matter what way we look at it…even the word ‘win’ …..win what exactly…a gold bracelet?..a spa weekend? oh I get it…I win the right to be believed about my long term health conditions! well I never, am I lucky or what.! goodnight god bless everyone X.

    Comment by lyn — April 22, 2012 @ 12:12 am

  408. Hi

    reply to comment 382

    Sorry but i was in such a state i did not make my position very clear i am on income support with a premium added to it due to my disability, i have been on this for over 10 years due to my health going from bad to worse over the years and through my own stupidity what i mean is when i was in a position to work they told me i was not able to go back as they would not find me fit for work (lmfao) but know after more than 10 years of being on the same benefit they say i no longer meet the medical requirements by 2 points because no mention of my blackouts has been included in the doctors report but thanks to your advice i have made an appointment to see my solicitor and cab advisor on monday and will have my appeal in on the same day hopefully. I think as do many uk citizens that because labour put us in this situation before they where voted out of office the conservatives and libiral democraps thinks the only way to sort out the debt is by making the poor pay for it and white wash the problems out of eye site and the people will rejoice at the marvallous job they have done to get us in the black while putting more people back on the streets homeless and penniless wel i for one will not go back on the streets again for anyone and if that means going to the uero court of human rights to fight the damn government for what i am intitled to then by christ i will they allready took my kids and that killed me nearly due to the stress so when i am done i will be back here to help people with advice and any help i can offer thanks for the enlightenment and the reply cheers and see you soon with an update

    Comment by chris greenfield — April 22, 2012 @ 4:39 am

  409. Hello Chris.

    Getting that appointment with the CAB was a smart move, they have experts and will know if you are saying the right things on your appeal, what you put on there can make all the difference.
    Don’t worry about all the lies the ATOS Dr said about you, the CAB know all about them, they see hundreds every day packed to the brim with lies, so don’t go there and expect them to say something like ”Get off, they didn’t write that did they ?” and look at you as if they are surprised, the reason for that is they have all become desensitised over the last three years and looking at an ATOS report with a festival of lies has become normal to them and just par for the course.
    So treat it for the little Government game that it is and win that appeal..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 22, 2012 @ 7:12 am

  410. Hello Lyn.

    They use the word AWARD as well, as in qualified for the award, as if you’ve been awarded a medal or something.
    Well at least the word win rhymes with Lyn..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 22, 2012 @ 7:17 am

  411. I was just thinking, i have not had my work related interview yet even though from 30th April 20121 my contribution based esa will stop, not entitled to income based esa has my husband is working,so f they try to palm me off on a work placement for 8 weeks talk about slavery i wont even be getting any benefit for doing it, so i will just go back to work a few hours at my job that they are keeping open for me.
    If i do not got for the work related interview the only sanction that they can present me with it to stop paying my national insurance stamps,as i will be receiving no benefit for them stop.
    I scored 18 points at the atos medical, and could be faced with forced labor,with no provided benefit,SOMETHING RESEMBLING HITLERS GERMANY.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 22, 2012 @ 11:03 am

  412. I like that ,,,,rhymes with Lyn..to me that,s a positive……I can concentrate on that and it will take my mind of off winning my ill health!!!. ta . x ……..That was short for Thank you with a kiss….Just in case you thought it might be sneaky old Dave putting a tax on the comments..

    Comment by lyn — April 22, 2012 @ 11:23 am

  413. Hello Alison.

    Since they are not paying you any money, or will not be shortly, I think they would have a cheek to ask you to attend a work focused interview. I wouldn’t put it past the arrogant bastards to try, but to be honest I should think it would be extremely unlikely, I can remind you though the cohesion between the DWP and Job centre plus is very poor, so it’s possible the FWA could send for you thinking they are paying you, it won’t harm your appeal if you went to the first one at least, just to check it out, you can have a laugh when you quietly mention you no longer receive payment and are basically attending on your own free will and not as their pet..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 22, 2012 @ 11:28 am

  414. Still not heard anything yet? In the meantime does anyone know if the DWP/ATOS/JCP/ can be sued with a no win no fee solicitor? grounds would be mental cruelty, unreasonable behaviour ,you know something along those lines…Just asking..can see a few things but not an actual case..And is it worth contacting the court of human rights in Strasberg? If it is then why don,t we all contact them or has that already happened?

    Comment by lyn — April 23, 2012 @ 10:04 am

  415. wish you could somehow sue for libel but as you cannot get legal aid for that case that is out of the question but i do wonder if one of the families members who have committed suicide could bring about a case

    Comment by june — April 23, 2012 @ 10:35 am

  416. Yes the legal aid for Private Law cases have been stopped and that includes cases where there are child contact issues after divorce.definitely not in the best interest of the child.
    yes the Government have taken our basic human rights away, some kind of class action would be good, but would stand very little chance of succeeding.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 23, 2012 @ 11:34 am

  417. Well !!! I did not get a call back from JC+ this morning as promised! I really don,t know what to do now about anything.I know one thing is I,m trying to keep calm as I have hospital appointment tomorrow, I am going to tell them at the cardiac unit about how these void Bastards are treating me but I don,t suppose its going to make much difference…June,s comment about victims of suicide..you make a good point June because there,s a thing called an unaided suicide where no one even has to be there when the poor soul commits suicide…Alison..not if we got together right across the country and all put in a quid then see if we can find a solicitor that is humane ,someone with a sense of right and wrong.someone with a good heart…or am I living in cloud cuckoo land? My friend once said to me that my optimism was bordering on the f—–g ridiculous…maybe she was right…..

    Comment by lyn — April 23, 2012 @ 3:02 pm

  418. Hello Lyn.

    Unfortunately it is going to take an absolute shocking disaster, something that will make the front page in all the newspapers to expose ATOS the DWP and this criminal Government before anything is done.
    Other than that we just have to wait until they are eventually kicked out of office..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 23, 2012 @ 4:34 pm

  419. How long does that take exactly? can,t he get kicked out soon…I mean he has not kept his word about looking after the vulnerable in society..he has lied..I,m pretty sure there,s more to come in my opinion..So why is IT still here? How can the people of a country get rid of a supposed leader that was no good…before the end of that supposed leaders term of office?

    Comment by lyn — April 23, 2012 @ 5:05 pm

  420. Because that supposed leader was voted in, that’s what’s rightly or wrongly called democracy. So you can see then, there’s something seriously wrong with democracy, that’s why we need a different system of Government, because we have around three years before we get rid of this lot, meanwhile we just have to put up with them..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 23, 2012 @ 5:49 pm

  421. I have been reading the Daily mail comments that were made today after a lady conservative MP said that Cameron and Osborne were just a couple of posh boys with no idea about other peoples lives,One of the comments said to take a look on you tube and watch,On the edge with David Noakes…so I did…very disturbing..but probably true…try and take a look see what you think…I for one will be voting UKIP from now on…

    Comment by lyn — April 23, 2012 @ 9:25 pm

  422. Hello Lyn.

    Mr Noakes looks like a man who has it all worked out, and you ask what I think ? well I think he does have it all worked out..!!


    Comment by dwpexamination — April 23, 2012 @ 10:58 pm

  423. yes totally agreed…meanwhile back at the Ranch….local JC+ still not got back to me even though they promised..I guess the word promise don,t mean much now ….So I called the DWP myself …said to them look!! what,s going on? what does it say on your screen about me there..After passing through the security questions[ how comes people get through security with bombs when all I need to do is talk with someone?] any way the man on the line says there are no signs of my appeal being cancelled? So why on earth do the local JC+ say it has been….I am totally and utterly f—–g confused..Its not doing me any good health wise..I asked who was accountable for all this, of course there is no one name ,so they said they,d get someone to ring me back in half hour which I thought was nice…But that was an hour ago so not so nice and I did say I had to leave by 1,15 to go to the cardiac unit….So folks I,m still up s–t creek without a paddle…does anyone know how to do an E PETITION?

    Comment by Anonymous — April 24, 2012 @ 11:10 am

  424. And I,m not very understanding about politics so please can someone help….who do I vote for in the may elections that will go against the Conservatives/Cameron…Thank You x

    Comment by Anonymous — April 24, 2012 @ 11:13 am

  425. just came across this discussion, after researching this issue!
    i`ve been on Incapacitiy and lowest DLA for 5 years now, with osteo-arthritus and whats described as `degenerative spine disease`. basically, i`m in agony with my lower back when/if i so much as push a hoover round or even stand longer than 15 mins!
    i take 2 strong pain killers every 4 hours, plus 1 anti-depressant a day. i`ve tried tramadol, morphine patches, everything.
    before this started, i had a good job, earning £400-£600 per week. i had two cars, holiday every year, £400 bonus every christmas at work, a partner, everything. life was good.
    now, i have nothing and live on £100 per week on my own.
    i had one of these ATOS medicals about a month ago, which i thought was a joke. she did`nt ask any questions, which i did`nt answer, any different, to the form i filled in for DWP two months before. as far as the medical examination went, that was `push my arm down, now push it up`. NOTHING to do with my back at all.
    i had the phone call today …………… i`m fit for work!! lol
    some days i can barely walk. unbelievable.
    i`ve been told i have a month to try and overturn the decision and then appeal, but its besides the point. its the fact that i`m being painted with the same brush as those who do take advantage of these systems. not everyone on benefits is a scrounger.
    what they should be doing, instead of chasing sick people, is go after the `breed like rabbits jeremy kyle brigade`, that keep banging kids out like their going out of fashion, then moan that their 30k a year benefits is`nt enough, along with their 4 bedroom council house!!
    somethings wrong somewhere, thats for sure.
    i saw an article on t.v once about a year ago, that said 80% of claimants that go to appeal, WIN. jesus, that says alot about ATOS dos`nt it!!!!!

    Comment by mark — April 24, 2012 @ 9:04 pm

  426. Hello Mark.

    Well I don’t know much about the Jeremy Kyle brigade and to tell you the truth Mark I really couldn’t get a rats ass what they get, I’m interested in what we are getting, and that’s what you should be concentrating on, which is getting a GL 24 and appealing against their erroneous decision to find you fit for work, finding you fit for work is an absolute disgrace and your whole life from now on should be in the pursuit of justice and the restoration of yours and other unfortunate peoples rights.

    Remember the saying Mark ”JUDGE NOT…LEAST YEA BE JUDGED”.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 25, 2012 @ 6:39 am

  427. hi dwpexamination.

    totally with you and understand about what others get, but it is somewhat annoying, when i sit here in 24 hr pain, to be told i`m fit for work, yet a family or even single girl, can have 5 kids whilst on benefits and nobody bats an eyelid. certainly not in public anyway!!
    i`ve never been more than honest on my claim and have lost alot through my illness, as i mentioned above. i`ve never once sat on my backside and done nothing about, including various hospital appointments and for the last year and a half, have seen my doctor monthly, trying to get medication right. yet in a 5 minute so called `medical`, ATOS have advised DWP i`m fit, when for the last 5 YEARS, my doctor and consultants say `no`. even at the time of typing this, i`m waiting for an appointment at the hospital again, for the pain management clinic to see if they can help!
    the ironic thing is, i fully understand why they are doing it. i know, you know and they know, there are people who `play` the system. we`ve all seen it on t.v, where they claim they can`t get out of bed, yet play golf 5 times a week, stuff like that. like i said though, don`t use the same brush on everyone.
    i get £100 per week now. thats hardly a `lifestyle` i`m taking advantage of is it?

    rant over.
    at least there`s somewhere to vent. sorry to make your eyes bleed guys! lol

    Comment by mark — April 25, 2012 @ 4:20 pm

  428. Hello MARK.

    The people who are being exposed by the media on behalf of the Government are not like you, they are able bodied and you are not, but they never say that they are able bodied, they always conveniently forget to mention that and say we have caught another scrounger and so on.
    You can also vent your frustrations on the forum Mark http://www.dwpexamination.org, you are welcome.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 25, 2012 @ 5:43 pm

  429. I have some good news for a change looks like after a lot of intentional confusion they have decided to put me in the support group.This has been a long hard fight which at times made me feel like I wanted to end my life..To anyone going through the same distressing treatment there will be weak moments try and tell yourself these will pass and pray for yourself to have strength and then take a deep breathe and say I am not going to back down…They even cancelled my appeal without telling me, told me confusing information on the phone several times..and I have been in tears over it, a nervous wreck..But I never threw the towel in .and I have been put into the correct group….I am still going to put in complaints about Atos/DWP/ for the actions of trying to trivialise my health conditions and for the extreme stress they put me under since November 2011…It might help others in the long run…Thank you for all your help and guidance..lots of love to everyone x

    Comment by Anonymous — April 26, 2012 @ 11:09 am

  430. message above this one is from me…dont know why it came up anonymous?

    Comment by lyn — April 26, 2012 @ 11:10 am

  431. Hello Lyn.

    So all that hard work came to fruition ? now that your in the support group, do everything you can to stay there, just remember they will be back to hassle you for another examination in a few months, so be ready..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 26, 2012 @ 12:15 pm

  432. Thank you for letting me know that,,even though JC+ have told me today that I have been put into the support group for two years and that I will not be bothered by them…I knew that I would be so you have confirmed what I was thinking….They are like Bullies that try to break a persons spirit….They won,t break mine!!! I know how to deal with them now thanks to your support and advice…I,m Still going to complain about them though for what they do to people and about the Decision maker who I spoke to on the phone earlier she said and I quote…There is nothing to worry about you are still getting your benefits so why be upset…..I replied you don,t get it do you its the principle of what you,ve done ,questioning my integrity, making light of my illnesses. causing extreme anxiety and it is for those reasons that I,m going to complain about you and your department…I read somewhere its best to send in as many complaints as possible..You may remember that I told them I wanted to go to the tribunal to tell the panel about the way the department treats people who are genuinely ill…That is why they cancelled my tribunal..But just because they did that it does,nt mean I will go away ….hence the written complaints….

    Comment by lyn — April 26, 2012 @ 2:38 pm

  433. Hello Lyn.

    Your right, they just don’t get it, they have terrorised and made your life a misery and she expects you to love them for that, and just because you have fought back and won and only because you fought back they have now conceeded, if they thought you were weak they would have thrown you to the wolves and went to sleep that night without a thought in the world.

    Yes Lyn they will be back sooner or later, it’s just a matter of time, but the difference is that this time you will be ready for them, you are no longer under any illusions about the DWP and their sidekicks at ATOS healthcare.

    We have people on the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org who were totally clueless to all this just a few months ago, in their past life they didn’t know and didn’t want to know, now they have been forced to know and are experts on the DWP and ATOS.

    Take care.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 26, 2012 @ 3:45 pm

  434. Hello Anonymous.

    Sorry I haven’t got back to you sooner, you asked about the voting at the MAY election, well I can suggest the Respect party if you have a candidate where you stay, then there’s the Greens they don’t have much love for the Tories, and the Socialist workers party are the Tories deadly enemy. Even UKIP are better than the rabble we have and would be a good protest vote, the choice is yours of course.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 26, 2012 @ 3:56 pm

  435. Hello Anonymous, I’m sure an explanation will be forthcoming regarding your appeal, you need to badger them a bit.
    There’s a few petitions going at the moment, you can find one or two on our forum http://www.dwpexamination.org under the useful links page.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 26, 2012 @ 3:59 pm

  436. Hello.,I,m about to write my letters off complaint concerning disgusting treatment not just myself but to many people on here and who I know personally..I won,t name anyone,but will just refer to different comments on here..Do I mention the site? or is it best not to? I,m thinking maybe not in case of sabotage but I really don,t know…Thank you

    Comment by lyn — April 27, 2012 @ 12:18 pm

  437. Hello Lyn.

    You can point to our forum http://www.dwpexamination.org and quote from that, they can’t touch the forum because it is under Icelandic law and therefore outside the jurisdiction of the British Government and their sidekicks at the DWP and ATOS.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 27, 2012 @ 4:28 pm

  438. That,s Good then…Can I just say to anyone going through the the same confusion and bad treatment from DWP as I did..like for instance incorrect information..lack of information.the stopping of benefits without informing you of other benefit options.Someone,s attitude towards you,someone that says they will call back then does not..Anything like that…Then complain..be as civil as possible, shouting swearing is no good ,you will just lose the argument… Its obvious that A isnt talking to B between ATOS & DWP..This is why they are getting away with so much.,IT was only really after I said I wanted to complain that things strangely started to move fast. I will even go as far as to say the persons attitude changed became less stern and was very helpful…All I said was Right excuse me may I stop you there,,I,Have heard enough,I have had enough and regardless of the outcome today I want to send in a complaint…ABRACADABRA…Phone call to say been put in the support group…

    Comment by lyn — April 27, 2012 @ 5:25 pm

  439. Hello Lyn.

    If they mess you around then you must complain, show weakness and they are on you like a robbers dog..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 27, 2012 @ 6:01 pm

  440. Hi Lynn – did you make a formal complaint ? If so, how do you go about this ? I am being “messed about ” at present.. Case was supposed to be getting reconsidered since Dec 11. Heard nothing to date. Phoned them last week and was told must have been sent straight to Appeal but no notes to confirm this.. Was told to phone Tribunal as they would have all my details – they have nothing !! My CB esa runs out end of June after getting 0 points in November. How am I supposed to prepare for Tribunal if they haven’t sent me any documents ??? Have already sent letter to MP and DWP. Just wondered if there is anything else I should do.

    Comment by Anonymous — April 27, 2012 @ 6:19 pm

  441. hmm! sounds pretty much the same as what they did to me….except they cancelled my tribunal without telling me..I, wonder if this is what they,ve done to you?if so that means they thought you were most likely to win.,I ,d say at this stage make some notes of things you want answered..First thing Monday be prepared to sit by the phone,.when you finally get an answer..Say , There is a complete confusion over your case and I require from you today exactly what it states on your system..write it down..If you find that its something that upsets you like a decision that has been made without informing you…Then you calmly say you are going to put in a written complaint..It really sounds like there isnt a tribunal to prepare notes for to be honest…If that,s the case here then that is totally out of order..Also it could mean that you appealed against the WRAG decision?is that right? how many of them Atos forms did you fill in? if its two then they,ve done the same to you as they did to me..please can you say..I am sending three different complaint letters to ATOS/DWP/JC+ ..

    Comment by lyn — April 27, 2012 @ 7:07 pm

  442. Hi again Lynn – thanks for replying. I have only ever filled in 1 esa50 form . This is my first ever claim for anything, after working all my life. I contacted my MP after getting 0 points and it was probably only due to his influence that I even got a reconsideration – he contacted the Area Manager of DWP. My medical condition has worsened since initial medical and I have forwarded all details of this to MP and DWP also. I have just read the post today from the lady who is a double amputee and in constant pain and unable to wear her prosthesis – she has been placed in WRAG group. Absolutely outrageous !!! My problems seem small in comparison but I am so angry about the treatment we are receiving that I will fight for my rights..Even if I lose, I will know I tried.
    Forgot to say, DWP advised me I would have been told that my case had been sent to Tribunal – I just never received the letter, and that[s down to the Post Office – their words !! Then the Tribunal dept tell me nothing has been sent in the first place. Unbelievable.

    Comment by sma — April 27, 2012 @ 7:43 pm

  443. To be honest I think they are placing everyone into the WRAG group initially..Just to see how many of us crack up under the pressure of the mental cruelty like behaviour..I nearly lost the plot..I have several health problems and at present have a heart monitor plugged in at my home with a device fitted into my chest, but those bastards were relentless,,made my life a misery,,I had weak moments.thought about ending my life but then like you I thought sod it I,m not going to let some nameless faceless moron make my already difficult life miserable…I got a lot of support from this site..As for the DWP letters going ‘missing’ I don,t buy it..I keep hearing this,,I also did,nt get any notifications of any kind from them..In reality if letters really did go missing then the DWP would investigate the post office? don,t you think.. I think the tribunal dept are being honest here..Its good that you are angry rather than being upset…And bear in mind its not about winning or losing after all if you so called ‘win’ that means you will just be getting the money back you,ve paid into the system…its about your illness and how it effects your ability to work.and no one knows how you feel, how your mind and body can cope from day to day ..only you know this because you live with it..not some jumped up twit that does not know you and does not care about you…I,m not totally sure so double check but I think I remember reading on here somewhere that when your esa runs out you can then claim again?? FIGHT ALL THE WAY…

    Comment by lyn — April 27, 2012 @ 11:43 pm

  444. I Have now got a Tribunal Hearing Date 28th of may at 3 pm at Worcester Mag on my letter it states i need to send my supporting evidence 7 days before my hearing. so they can rew my side of the Appeal also it asked me to bring my Appeals Papers relating to my Appeal which was sent to me and my Rep by Worcester BDC Appeals.

    1] What is the Appeals Papers relating to my Appeal which was sent to me and my Rep by Worcester BDC Appeals? Is that the DWP Decision and explanation

    2] My Medical Records are Massive it states iv got Chronic Hydrocephalus and Learning difficulties and this Arachnoid cyst and also my chiled hood life aswell Should i take it to the Worcester Mag Court the Medical Records i have as i am afraid of posting it and they are asking for it 7 days before my hearing. just in case it gets lost in the post

    Comment by colin vernon — April 28, 2012 @ 1:17 pm

  445. Hello Colin , hope no one minds that I answer..I think if it was me and they wanted the papers 7 days before the tribunal..If the tribunal place is local to you or a short bus ride away you could or your representative could take it all in there and give it to them..just ask for and get a signed receipt…If the place is far away then post everything by REGISTERED post and get a receipt with a tracking number so you will be able to check online with Royal Mail that its been delivered .Trouble is I don,t know how heavy your papers are so it might cost say more than 5pounds?i know its a lot but I have used this service and its never failed me…Good luck..although taking into account your medical problems you should not even be there…The DWP disgust me….I think the tribunal can only be in your favour…

    Comment by lyn — April 28, 2012 @ 1:50 pm

  446. Yes on Monday tommow i will go to the court and give it to them i think tbh that is better as i know it there and i had paid 50 quid for the medical records and want only them to see it and no one elso its a 10 min bus ride probs not even that

    Its the same court were i got remanded in Custody back in Feb 2011 [2 weeks and 3 days] so i know were it is.
    My doctor and Neurosurgeon was not to happy about it as i have got behaver problems and social problems which is in my medical notes i say its at least 400 – 600 pages long at least so thats why i will give it them tommow so they can have a good read and any other letters i can get i have until the week before. i have got Hydrocephalus and a Anchored Cyst and learning difficulties. if you look up the hydrocephalus and the rest it states Behaver Memory and headaces and poor social skills.

    Comment by colin vernon — April 29, 2012 @ 11:32 am

  447. Hello Colin..I have looked it up and it is beyond belief why your case has even got to this stage,,shame on them,,I think its clear that because of your health problems something may have been missed,The DWP/ATOS should have taken your health problems more seriously and that is neglect on their part,The whole thing must have put you under an extreme amount of stress,Can I suggest that if its not been added already that your representative mentions? this to the tribunal…..And the fact that you had to pay 50 quid for your medical records..? maybe after the tribunal hearing has ended you could ask your rep to try and get that refunded back to you, because that is food .gas,electric for a week or two..I think that you havent much to worry about as far as the tribunal is concerned I wish you well, And It will be nice to read soon that it went in your favour..Good Luck.

    Comment by lyn — April 29, 2012 @ 11:58 am

  448. Well i have got my mandatory training day at work tomorrow, due to the DWP stopping my contribution based esa.
    We cant afford to loose £400 a month, i cant get income based esa, because my husband works, we will be in a desperate situation so i have no choice, i have been placed in the WRAG group anyway, so one shift a week at work with adaptions will replace the lost esa.
    I am not sure how things will work out, will have to refer myself to occupational health before i set one foot on a hospital ward.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 29, 2012 @ 12:34 pm

  449. Please don,t take this the wrong way .But its almost like the Blind Leading The Blind, I see that you say you dont have much choice…Did you appeal the DWP decision.? How do you care for others when you don,t feel that great yourself.I have a friend with crohn,.s which is aggravated by stress ,,What adaptions are there for you?Of course if you feel that you can work then that,s a bonus.

    Comment by lyn — April 29, 2012 @ 1:15 pm

  450. Right they gave me 18 points at my atos medical,that was related to my mental health problems, zero points for crohns disease, bowel adhesions, RLS , hiatus hernia causing severe epigastric pain.
    I had a hysteroscopy on 15th March 2012, showing lichens sclerosis, post op i was feeling lousy with severe abdominal pain and bloating, hospitalized two weeks ago, for one day with severe abdominal pain, was on iv morphine,
    Over the past week bloating abated, for the month of agony i requested to be placed in the support group, after decision letter that i was to be placed in the WRAG group, the decision letter came three weeks ago, because i was feeling so ill post operative, i decided to appeal to go into the support group, they have received my appeal bundle,had a letter to say they had received it.
    Last Wednesday i had a letter from the DWP to say my contribution based esa was stopping on 30th April 2012, cant get income based as my husband is working, which would mean loosing £100 a month, which would leave us in severe financial difficulties, the post op bloating disappeared,depression slightly better, so i feel that i could offer a few hours at work, and it will be a very few 7.5 hours a week, obviously the hospital trust may not allow me back anyway, as i will have to go to occupational health to get their opinion, the training is just one hour fire lecture, and infection control lecture so i would not be working, just sitting there for a couple of hours at the least, to return even to the ward, i would have to be passed fit by occy health.
    My adaption is that i can only do a very short shift, book the shift on the morning of the late shift, ring the nursing bank up until 12 pm of that day, if there was a late shift like 3 to 7 or something like that, that is the only way they will be able to accommodate me at the moment.
    I will not be getting any money from tomorrow anyway, they will be paying my ni contributions, so i am being forced to go for a work related interview on 9th May anyway, and could be forced out on a work placement even though they wold only paying my national insurance contributions,
    Obviously i will not be doing anything drastic, as my medical conditions fluctuate from day to day, i have had 4 good days this week,

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 29, 2012 @ 1:51 pm

  451. I would be loosing £400 a month sorry xx

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 29, 2012 @ 1:52 pm

  452. Hi Alison – I am in a similar position as per earlier post. My contribution based esa will stop in July. I will be 60 in a few weeks but due to the government’s changes, won’t get my pension until I am 62 . We will not qualify for Income based esa due to my husband working. His hours have already been cust so we will be losing twice once my esa stops and will be struggling like you. It’s a very difficult situation. The government knows the majority of people need 2 wages to survive these days, yet when one person becomes ill,the other person is supposed to suport them on a single wage !!!

    Comment by sma — April 29, 2012 @ 2:02 pm

  453. Yes, it is terrible,i will only be doing them very few hours to earn the money that the swines have taken off me, if i worked a Sunday i would get more money than the esa pays monthly anyway, we do not lift patients anymore, if i did a late the beds would all be made anyway, so i will have to see occy health anyway, so it is not a definite as to whether i can go back anyway, but thinking we could be placed on a mandatory work placement,only them paying our contributions WHAT A PROSPECT.?

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 29, 2012 @ 2:10 pm

  454. I was under the impression that 18 points were a pass for the support group? Why did they score nil points for crohn,s when major points should have been given for that alone…Alison you say you will be forced out onto a work placement? That might be the case but when you reveal your full medical details to any employer are they really going to take you on?Surely employers in all fields want staff to be 100% healthy so they can get the best performance out of them….I know there are certain disabilities where people are in wheelchairs etc that can with help are able to work but with an ongoing illness ,well that,s different..

    Comment by lyn — April 29, 2012 @ 2:16 pm

  455. I have had crohns since 1986, been on the nursing bank since 1989, so they have been coping with me for years.
    I kept cancelling shifts at short notice, sometimes with only an hours notice before i was supposed to be on the ward.due to diarrhoaa,
    I have got my last chance, my line manager and HR had a meeting with me this time last year, after canceling yet another shift, they stated that to prevent me letting everybody down the only way hey could work it is with me ringing the bank nurse office office on the morning of the days i feel well enough and do a few hours on a late of the day, if they had any shifts, I WAS WARNED THAT IF I BOOKED A SHIFT AND CANCELLED AGAIN THEY WOULD HAVE NO INTENTION BUT TO TERMINATE MY CONTRACT.
    The appeal waiting time could be up to a year , how do they expect anybody to live with no money, i am in the wrag group, i have to go for the work related interview on 9th May, even though i will be only getting them to pay my ni stamp, will be receiving no other money from them.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 29, 2012 @ 2:29 pm

  456. That,s what I mean first part of your last comment says it all..,I don,t know much about esa so I don,t want to give the wrong information ,,But I think you should be in the support group ..Has your GP sent detailed medical evidence to the DWP? have you seen it.? have you or anyone else requested that Atos/Dwp turn the decision round..Because I can only see this as causing you more stress when you already have more than enough to cope with…

    Comment by lyn — April 29, 2012 @ 2:50 pm

  457. I have sent everything from all consultants, five consultants, my GP will submit a report as well.a big package was handed over to the DWP.
    I am in the process of getting all my GP medical files under section 7 of the data protection act 1998, i have seen all my GP files, just waiting for photo copies, which will be another £50 charge.
    Just watching snooker one of the players playing today has crohns disease.
    Yes my Son had his appeal overturned a couple of years ago, he was given 0 points, appealed and won, but by the time he had won, he had got himself a part time job, he didn’t go to the tribunal himself.
    I have spoken to the DWP about this, the Lady said to me , even people in the support group could work up to 16 hours a week if they wanted to , mine would be 7 hour a week.but it is up to occupational health as well, i will make an appointment to see them.
    The HCP that i was seen by said she would suggest that i would be ready for work in six months, that is why she placed me in the WRAG group, and now i have to face wrag interview with no benefit coming in.
    I am waiting to hear if they will reconsider first.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — April 29, 2012 @ 3:21 pm

  458. Not sure about this but I was told that people in the support group could if they were able do voluntary work?The HCP that said you were possibly fit for work in 6 months / Is this the same HCP that gave you no points for the Crohns? If so what does she know? not a lot by the sounds of it..I really do hope it gets turned around for you.. I take your point about the snooker player with crohns but there are different levels of it and its hardly likely that the snooker player has much to do but pot the balls for an hour or so….hardly a days work…

    Comment by lyn — April 29, 2012 @ 4:43 pm

  459. Hello People
    Ive just spent the last 3 hours browsing the above posts and I am glad to find that I amnot alone in having problems with DWP/ATOS/benefits etc

    Im 40 now a never been on benefits before Ive had a challenging life to date and have been dealing with my mental illness since a child. I claimed ESA in January and it took 2 months for them to pay me anything. I then had to move when my home was repossessed after becoming bankrupt which also resulted in my self employed business being wound up. My partner had to give up her small parttime job as a result of this move and I was advised by jobcentre to add my partner to my esa claim something to do with dependent but dont really get it. Currently our household income is £60-70 below what “the govt says we need to live on” (because they havnt processed the addition of my partner (8weeks now)).This week I received notification that I got 0 on my ATOS assessment and my benefits are now stopped ie a furtherr £70 week below the govts living expenses.

    My GP has signed me not fit 4 work for 3 months and this certificate will last until 23 July . I also receive assistance from my CPN and a local charity (julian support) who help people with mental difficulties. I know I need to appeal this decision gp24 or whatever it is and julian support will assist me with this I have the very good support of my GP and CPN but all we have coming in at the mo are child benefit and child tax credit for 1 child. My bankrupcy has obviously had a big effect on my life and now the DWP wants my debts to build up whilst it processess my information very slowly and very badly.

    Cant they just leave me alone 4 three months and pay my family what the government says we need to live on?

    I was trying to use this time in my life to get well and DWP are making a bad situatioin worst

    thanks 4 listening


    Comment by rob mcevoy — April 30, 2012 @ 3:44 pm

  460. Hello Rob,Firstly the DWP don,t care if a person is well or not.., Would it be possible for someone from Julian support to fax through a message Telling them to get a move on?. Not sure about this next bit so please check it out first but my friend told me that if you are having difficulties then child tax credits may pay a bit more ?as I,ve said make sure you double check…Its best if you chase up the form for the appeal and get it sent off asap….Apart from that I,m sorry that you wont get a chance to maybe get well or better ,Be prepared for the anxiety caused by the DWP way of doing things or not doing things should I say…sorry I can,t be of more help but someone else here might be…

    Comment by lyn — April 30, 2012 @ 4:08 pm

  461. Hello Rob.

    The sooner you compose your appeal (Attache the sicknote) and send it off the sooner you will get paid the assessment rate, don’t forget to mention on the appeal submission that you would like to be paid the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard, if you do not mention it they will not tell you and help by tipping you off therefore you will not be paid.
    Can you contact MIND ? they have a great reputation and may be able to help as well.
    The main thing is to get your appeal in as I have stated above and your payments are retrospective to the date you were found unfit for work by the DWP.
    The assessment rate also guarantees rent and council tax rebates.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 30, 2012 @ 5:07 pm

  462. Looks like the Daily mirror has finally decided to be fair concerning the DWP/ATOS, Today carries a story about James Major an obviously very unwell man that was told he was fit for work…Anyway if anyone wants to check it out. ..maybe things are about to turn around…

    Comment by lyn — May 1, 2012 @ 4:54 pm

  463. Sorry should read Daily Mail …not Mirror.

    Comment by lyn — May 1, 2012 @ 4:56 pm

  464. Check out Sonia Poulsons article in the Daily mail today, the Daily mail ? are they beginning to see the light ?.


    Comment by dwpexamination — May 1, 2012 @ 5:16 pm

  465. do believe the tide is turning as the daily mail has run another story about the fisherman being declared fit for work when he has open ulcers on his legs and the scottish sun has run one about the atos and the scam that it involves we may be winning the war at long last
    thank you doctor carty for revealing what we all know

    Comment by june — May 2, 2012 @ 4:16 pm

  466. Me and my Representative have an appointment at cirterns advise on 17th of may to help send off the Evidence for my Chronic Hydrocephalus and arachnoid Cyst and learning difficulties i have so me and my Rep will be armed with prove when my big day comes on the 28th of may also go to my Hearing

    Comment by colin vernon — May 2, 2012 @ 4:45 pm

  467. June.Thats, excellent..I tried to post that story but I,m not very good at explaining things sometimes….I wonder if it will now turn around.I hope so because so many people have suffered under the extreme anxiety caused by what seemed like some kind of Nazi experiment…I got put into the support group after nearly 8 months of confusing hell…I also would like to report that a friend who suffers with crohns and depression has also learned that she has been put into the support group…something is definately going on…I read yesterday that when Cameron was handed the report of how to avoid poverty he did,nt even look at it….says it all really …

    Comment by lyn — May 2, 2012 @ 5:25 pm

  468. Well there may be some hope for me then? with Crohns disease, depression, hiatus hernia causing severe daily epigastric pain,RLS and gynecological condition, i may of lost my job. but still not lost the plot with regards to these evil incompetent morons, APPEAL BRING IT ON, I HOPE THEY MAY RECONSIDER WITHOUT GOING TO APPEAL BY THE TIME IT HAPPENS MY HUSBAND WILL BE PENNILESS..

    Comment by alisonsgypt — May 2, 2012 @ 5:33 pm

  469. Hello June.

    The Government will be horrified when they see that story, but they are fighting tooth and nail, look at this nonsense http://unemploymentmovement.com/forum/benefit/2434-changes-to-appeal-system-for-esa-as-of-april-2013

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 2, 2012 @ 5:34 pm

  470. Alison.

    A re-consider up the line has happened before, Aletheia one of our forum members got it http://www.dwpexamination.org but it’s rare for the DWP to concede like that.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 2, 2012 @ 6:08 pm

  471. Just read unemploymentmovement..Very frightening..people will starve to death.,How can this Bastard be stopped.,He must be suffering from some kind of Narcissism..I,m not usually like this BUT I HATE HIM I HATE CAMERON..How can he be stopped from doing this? Why are the rest of parliament letting him do this? Its A criminal act..In Effect it will be Murder….Can he be held to account for the people that will die as a result of this C—s actions….Sorry I,m very upset.,,My complaint letters have already been sent off and then I see this….WHAT CAN BE DONE?

    Comment by lyn — May 2, 2012 @ 7:54 pm

  472. Hello Lyn.

    The Daily mail have got the wind up, they know all those scrounger stories from the past will come back from the past to haunt them.


    Comment by dwpexamination — May 2, 2012 @ 8:37 pm

  473. Hello Colin.

    It’s best to be like you…WELL PREPARED..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 2, 2012 @ 9:13 pm

  474. Hello people, like alot of other people on this site its getting worse instead of better it seems!!!!! let me tell you about me!!
    Up untill the 9th jan i worked 30hours as a support worker and i loved my job!! i had been in the job for just over 5mths and 2 weeks on probation and only had a few weeks to go untill my 6mths were up!! On the 10th jan my doctor signed me sick for 3 weeks with sciatca as i could hardly walk!! may i also say up untill then had hid the fact from my employer that i had in the last 16 mth suffered from tennis elbow, often going to work hardly been able to bend it some days!!! Then after the 2 weeks my condition only seemed to get worse so recieved another 3 week sick note going from may i say ful time wages to ssp money of £83 a week!!! I then recieved a letter from my company saying they would not be given me a contracyt due to the fact i had time off work????
    As if that wasnt bad enough the dss sent me for a medical and that may i say was some what of a waste of time,
    The doctor sat and asked me some what silly questions!! then it came to looking at what i could do!! bend over and touch your toes!! [ i have this in my lower back and down my right leg siatca!!!! sorry cant do that!!! Now in the swatting position bend your knees and get down to floor height!! No sorry wont even try that one!!! Now the best to come was can you touch your head with your left arm!!! no due to my tennis elbow!! can you now put both hands together as if your praying!!!!
    Well i think i can do that yes, and it seems as if i didnt pray hard enough to make this doctor see am not willing to work!! i just cant at this moment in my life and am total gutted i lost a job i loved only to be informed today i recieved NIL POINTS FOR MY MEDICAL ass even though i infromed them i was due to now have key hole on my elbow, and they now think i have arthritis in the lower spine due to the fact i have suffered from a skin compliant for 20 years. And just to rub a little salt into the wound they didnt even send me the letter out to inform me!!! this very nice lady told me over the phone when she rang me today!!
    When i explained i was due to see a few more doctors and have this op done, only then did she inform me i could put a appeal in!!!
    So i now find myself in a state of utter shock to think they think am fit enough to work as i am, i cant stand for any length of time nor can i sit for the same, oh and am typeing with one finger with my good arm lol …… so i guess i will now have to wait for whatever forms to come and fill them in ………….. lucky me .
    thanks so much for nothing dss from a 54 year old lady whos willing to work whenever the doctor thinks am fit enough too ……….

    Comment by Anonymous — May 3, 2012 @ 3:53 pm

  475. Hello Anonymous.

    The DWP/ATOS are failing everyone deliberately, the idea is to force you to appeal or sign on for work, obviously you have to appeal there is no choice, but the strain can be lessened if you pick a username and visit our forum http://www.dwpexamination.org and ask any questions you like, you can get help on the correct way to appeal etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 3, 2012 @ 4:14 pm

  476. Sorry forgot to leave my name!!! its mrs jean baker x
    And thanks so much will look at that site x

    Comment by Anonymous — May 3, 2012 @ 4:30 pm

  477. When i 1st signed on sick in jan 2012 i was advised by a dwp guy to apply for DLA =, so i claimed for this benefit and was sent also for a medical in march 2012 only to be told i had’nt passed there medical. I remember that day very well as i could hardly walk with the pain in my lower back and ended up in tears!!! i guess what i now need to know is should i appeal it as well, the doctor at my ATOS did ask me had i claimed or been turned down by anyone else!!!
    Ive never ever put in for a DLA claim in my life!!! Ihave the DLA letter still saying i didnt pass their medical?? would this so called doctor have at the dss medical based my points on the DLA one do you think ……………. j ean baker

    Comment by Anonymous — May 4, 2012 @ 10:56 pm

  478. Hello.Jean..I,m sure you can still do this..wait six weeks then apply again for DLA,,fili n the form like it is your worse day , you will need to do this if you have a degenerative problem that will only get worse./or stay the same/but will not get better…Any future requests from ATOS or whoever,,because you find it so painful.Don,t go there…request on the form that you need /want a home visit…make sure you have someone there just to listen….That way when it states the very intimidating FACE TO FACE B——s..You just write there that you agree to a ‘medical’, but at your home…And yes of course appeal the other decision…GoodLuck…

    Comment by lyn — May 5, 2012 @ 1:42 am

  479. Thank you so very much for your help, i am now waiting for the appeal foams from the dwp to arrive!!! x

    Comment by Anonymous — May 5, 2012 @ 3:28 pm

  480. Hi its chris again i just visited the dwp to drop off a sick note to them and inquired as to whether they had recieved my appeal and guess what my claim is still active on there system no stop has been applied, and paul the gent i spoke to made a point of showing me the screen about my claim next payment due on the 21st of this month seems some one has screwed up as he could not even tell me which department was dealing with my appeal gave me 5 different possibles which my appeal could of gone to this just keeps getting more frustrating i have got to go back at 11 30 am tommorrow morning to see paul and take another copy of my appeal with me just in case will update you later tommorrow thanks for your advice

    Comment by chris greenfield — May 9, 2012 @ 12:59 pm

  481. Cheers Chris…Let us know what happened.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 9, 2012 @ 6:24 pm

  482. I rang the DWP today to see how my appeal was going with reference to being put into the support group.
    The Woman said that my case has been sent straight to tribunal without reconsideration, should they let me know in writing that they have not reconsidered and sent paperwork for appeal?
    I also asked if i could pay my national insurance stamp myself, she said that she didn’t know.
    Looks like i have now lost my job as well, they may of terminated my contract due to ill health for being off sick for a year, i sent two e mails to my line manager, which she has completely ignored, have now sent them to HR and her in letter form, my unison rep called me today, so she will get in touch with my line manager and get some answers.
    Even if i wanted to claim JSA, i wouldn’t be able to because in the eyes of the DWP i still have a job, as i still have not received a letter of termination, and there still might be a very slight chance that they might keep me on, because my name is still on their work system as well has being on the payroll system.
    While other people decide my future, which is horrendous, i am going away for a week, in the Sun, a very cheap break, so they can decide what they like, while i am sitting in 89 degrees.
    I am now being discriminated by my employer for being ill as well as the DWP.
    I feel so depressed, that my future is gong to be decided by other people.
    Check this out the DWP view of CROHNS DISEASE AND ULCERATIVE COLITIS, they state that it is a very debilitating disease, but they still expect you to work with it.



    Comment by alisonsgypt — May 9, 2012 @ 6:41 pm

  483. Nothing surprises me anymore with the DWP Alison, I’m waiting for my ESA 85 so that I can compose the rest of my appeal, that’s over three weeks now, I wouldn’t be surprised if they just lie and say they sent it…Chiseling crooks.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 9, 2012 @ 7:03 pm

  484. Hi, Could do with a little advise if anyone can help i would be very grateful..

    I have Just filled in my ESA 3 form i have depression and cant go out on my own but i have gone forward into a work programme.

    The DWP have messed up my claim by stating i have over £16,500 in the bank which i one million percent do not have!!

    I have sent them my statements twice to date and made 17 telephone calls and two letters disputing this, and all they do is tell me they are looking into it.

    They keep asking me for the rest of the statements that i do not have.??? Apparently i have 10 in total !!… (I Wish!)
    I cannot get through to them at all!!

    Not sure what to do if they decline my claim or who can help fight in my corner. I have absolutely no income other than this.

    Please help if possible


    Comment by Worried Sick — May 10, 2012 @ 5:23 pm

  485. Hello Worried sick.

    Why don’t you look up the phone number of the nearest welfare rights or CAB office, give them a call and explain your difficulties they will help you through to the best way forward.
    If you have less than £16,000 in the bank, sooner or later they will find out, so there is nothing to worry about, on the other hand if you have more than £16,000 (which is the cut off point for Contributory ESA) and you think they will never find out then please take my advice do not delude yourself because they will.
    It just takes a lot of time and patience when we deal with the DWP, when they find that you are telling the truth then every penny they owe you will be backdated.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 10, 2012 @ 7:07 pm

  486. Thankyou for that.. you have confirmed what i thought which was to contact the CAB.

    I truely do not have this money so i am happy to fight all the way. I am made to feel that i need to prove it and i cannot as i have nothing else to give them!

    I am just very flustrated with them especially as there is only one contact number which can take up to half an hour before you get to the call centre and then recently had to wait 24 hours for a call back.. This has been on going since the 12th April this year !!!

    I really appreciate your advice and you have a great site.

    Comment by Worried Sick — May 10, 2012 @ 7:57 pm

  487. Hello again, my doctor gave me a 8 week sick note on the 27th april then on the 3rd of may i recieved a call from the DWP informing me that i had failed the medical, i have since sent the appeal form in after seeing advice from the C.A.B however after reading some of peoples comments am now wondering if i now need a new sick note!!!! surely not as the one i sent off should cover me!!! i also was informed by c.a.b to ask for my esa to still be paid untill my appeal was heard?? i sent my letter by recorded del……….. living on fresh air …………… jean x

    Comment by Anonymous — May 13, 2012 @ 10:55 pm

  488. Hello Anonymous.

    Even though you have a sicknote in they sometimes demand you send another one on to them, they allowed my sicknote and so didn’t ask me, but I know the rules are they can demand if they so decide.
    Why not send a simple letter asking them to confirm if the current note you sent dating from the 27th note they already have is satisfactory, and add in there that you would like to be paid at the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard.
    If they send you a reply letter saying you are now on the assessment rate (And don’t mention anything about a sicknote) then this means they have accepted your appeal and also means they have accepted your sicknote.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 14, 2012 @ 5:39 am

  489. Thank you so very much for your reply i will do that ASAP . kind regards mrs j baker.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 14, 2012 @ 12:55 pm

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    Click on the link below and cast your vote.


    Comment by dwpexamination — May 14, 2012 @ 7:46 pm

  491. I applied for ESA in March 2011, and wasn’t assessed by Atos until August. I was given 6 points and appealed. I had the appeal hearing on May 11th this year – yes, 14 months since initial claim. I was awarded 18 points and was told that DWP will backdate my benefits – I think they mean from when the assessment period SHOULD have ended (June 2011). I have two questions:
    1) How long might I have to wait before I get backdated money? (I am currently getting basic rate ESA.) I had a similar appeal with DLA some years ago – it took nine months then too – but can’t remember how long it took to come up with the money.
    2) Is there any chance that DWP will appeal the tribunal’s assessment? (The hearing was done with very quickly – I suffer from depression and anxiety, and had a panic attack the minute the hearing started. I kept bursting into tears throughout and there doesn’t seem to be any doubt about my ability to work. The lawyer and the doctor at the hearing were very kind to me.)

    Comment by D. F. King — May 15, 2012 @ 1:28 pm

  492. Hi D.F.King.

    Your backdated money will be put into your account when they decide to get round to it, and by my experience that’s around six or seven weeks.

    I see you were getting paid the assessment rate after the 13 week period, in your case June 2011, in my opinion you should get paid from then, but that’s not what’s happening, the DWP are only paying from when they say you are fit for work, that’s the date after the assessment, you should have the letter.

    However just recently a welfare rights officer successfully appealed to a tribunal arguing his client should get paid from the last day of the thirteen weeks because it’s not his fault that ATOS didn’t assess him before the 13 weeks was expired, and leaves open the possibility of abuse by the DWP, as in what is to stop them from keeping you on the assessment phase for years in order to deny you the work related component.
    All this can get complicated and things are not so simple, you should check with welfare rights if the DWP don’t pay you back until June 2011, and see what they say, the DWP might be disputing that particular tribunal decision so that’s why you should check with an advisor.

    The DWP sometimes do dispute first tier tribunal decisions but it’s not very often, start worrying about it if it happens.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 15, 2012 @ 3:28 pm

  493. Thank you for your help. Page 147 of the CPAG guide (it’s the 2011-12 edition) is rather confusing. It says, ‘If the DWP has not yet determined whether you have limited capability for work, the assessment phase does not end until this has happened. If you are appealing against a finding that you do not have limited capability for work, the assessment phase does not usually end until the First-tier Tribunal has made its decision.’

    If that is correct, it means that my assessment period did not last 13 weeks – but 14 months!

    Page 147 goes on to say, ‘However, if before your appeal is heard you experience a new condition or your condition significantly worsens [my GP wrote to that effect and I wrote the same thing in my submission; the tribunal seemed to accept the fact], a new determination on your limited capability for work can be made and it is possible for the assessment phase to end.’

    This suggests that my assessment phase may be deemed to have ended at some time between March 2011 and May 2012 after all.

    CPAG then write, ‘You are not entitled to an additional component in your ESA until the assessment phase has ended, but if the assessment phase lasts longer than 13 weeks, the component is backdated to the 14th week of your claim.’ I take that to mean, ‘Your assessment phase ran from March 2011 to May 2012, but you will be paid as if the assessment phase ended when it was theoretically supposed to, i.e. in June 2011.’ (Or do they mean this applies only to those people who can demonstrate their condition worsened – or experienced a new one – before the First-tier Tribunal met?)

    Comment by Anonymous — May 15, 2012 @ 4:10 pm

  494. Yes it should be backdated to the beginning of the fourteenth week of your claim, but the DWP don’t seem to be doing that, they are waiting until you have the assessment then telling you that you are now fit for work, and if you appeal and win they only pay you from the date they say you are fit for work.
    That’s why I’m saying contact welfare rights or the CAB and get the most recent up to date advice, because it’s not so simple.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 15, 2012 @ 4:32 pm

  495. I have got my Tribunal Hearing for my ESA Appeal on 28th of this mouth for my Learning Difficulties and my Chronic Hydrocephalus. i have paid 50 quid for my medical recored s which fills up a a folder and i also kept all paperwork from the DWP and my Appeal.

    Iv got Cizterns Advisa tommow morning at 10 to see a person for around 1 hour 30 mins they said to allow

    1] At my Tribunal what is going to happen? How long do they take My Appeal is at 3 pm Monday 28th May

    My mom is my Represtive and she cant not make the 28th as she on holiday but my Ant said she can go to my hearing with me as she knows a lot about me and will still be very good also shes the one i go to for my meals and that if my mom and dad on holiday.

    2] What do i do regarding this that my mom cant make it but i am happy for my ant to go to my hearing?

    3] What Happens if i Wins does the money get backdated that mouth or will i be waiting ages for it will my ESA Payments go up straight away when its next due?

    I had letter from tribunal service saying that i needs to sumit my proof 7 days before my hearing so tomorrow i will ask for help by the citizens advise so i only posts the relevant stuff to them

    4] How do i prove i have difficulties in Cooking and learning things as i know a bunch of medical records will not just do the trick its full of Physiologist reports and about my hydrocephalus right to when i was born

    My Appeal is to be placed in the Work Related Group

    Comment by colin — May 16, 2012 @ 8:16 am

  496. Hello Colin.

    The tribunals don’t mess around, they introduce themselves, this is the tribunal judge and that is Dr so and so, we will just ask you questions on your functional ability today.

    They will ask you why your mum has to make your meals etc, so you have to tell them why and the reason why you can’t do it, they will probably ask how you spend your day ?, if you go to a new place you’ve never been before can you go on your own ?, if not why can’t you go on your own ? and so on.
    They may ask other questions like how did you arrive here today ? was it by bus ? do you need someone to accompany you if you go on the bus ? or can you go on your own on a bus etc, how do you feel about your mum not being here today ? does it upset you ?.
    They might ask all of those questions or they might miss some of them and concentrate on what they consider to be the most important, it just depends on the Dr, they are all different and the questions are not set in stone.

    I don’t suppose there’s any easy way for them to ask these kind of questions so that’s probably why they just get to the point, and may come across as blunt, the hearing shouldn’t take too long, it varies but since it’s straightforward questions expect 15 to 20 minutes but be prepared for longer.

    Your aunt can explain that unfortunately your date clashed with a holiday your mum had already booked and is the reason why she is not here today.

    If you win the appeal then the money they owe will be backdated to the date the DWP said in their letter that you were fit for work, this can take any amount of time but a standard time for a backdate is roughly 6 weeks, so you need to be patient.

    If you were unfortunately to lose then don’t worry you will not have to pay them anything, you just see the CAB and apply for ESA again, the CAB will advise you on the best way to do this and what condition/s you have to meet to be eligible to apply again.

    Anyway Colin good luck at the appeal and let us know how you get on..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 16, 2012 @ 8:46 am

  497. Thanks i will let you all know hopefully i do win

    Will i have the outcome on the day of the Hearing?
    Will i get the enhanced rate on my Next payment date if i was to win or will i still get the basic rate till they have processed it?

    Comment by colin — May 16, 2012 @ 4:49 pm

  498. Hello Colin.

    Usually you get told on the day, sometimes if they want to have a longer think they post the result on, you get the full rate all backdated in one go.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 16, 2012 @ 6:59 pm

  499. hi please could you tell me how i would go about getting assesment rate?

    Comment by Anonymous — May 23, 2012 @ 1:29 pm

  500. Hi Dw

    Well i have seen it all just seen a news story on msn about a family of emigrants who did not like the area they lived in because there kids had to get taxis to school so complained to there council who have put them in a £2 million pound house in west london and it’s paid for by uk tax payers to the tune of £1800 per week, they get benefits to on top of there council tax to. so i ask you why is this government trying so hard to make the lives of those born here so bloody bad.

    War hero’s don’t get that response when they get injured they go on the esa line and get £112.80 to live on plus any pension they may of had from the armed services When is this country going to start doing what the rest of europe is doing and kicking this conservative/lib dem government out the front door of number ten and 11 and shouting loadly from the roof tops we are not taking any more crap from you idiots we elected you and we can unalect you so be warned,I should hear about my appeal shortly so will keep you posted as to what happens but for know i am getting roughly 1/3 of my benefits that i used to get on income support which was £310 every two weeks claiming as a couple with my partner

    Comment by chris greenfield — May 24, 2012 @ 2:21 am

  501. Hi Chris.

    I haven’t a clue why this Government want to house them in a two million pound house, it’s totally illogical and senseless, but I doubt if they will be there for long, last I heard they are all being moved to Hull.
    Anyway good luck at the appeal, do keep us posted Chris.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 24, 2012 @ 6:05 am

  502. Hi Anonymous.

    You get the assessment rate when you appeal against a DWP decision that they have found you fit for work, they will give you the assessment rate when you supply them with your sicknote and a GL24 appeal form.
    So you ask for the assessment rate when you compose your appeal, stick your sicknote in there as well and send it off to the DWP by registered post.
    The point is, you must ask for the assessment rate, they don’t just give you it, it’s supposed to be a secret, so if you ask them what you do for money while you wait for the appeal to be heard ? the muppet on the phone will say ”Why don’t you sign on”

    Don’t forget to mention on a separate note along with your appeal ”Please find one sicknote attached”

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 24, 2012 @ 7:19 am

  503. They did that when my mom phoned them my mom asked what am i going to do for money while i awaite my Hearing thic coming Monday and they said why dont you appy for JSA for Colin and then go from there.

    My mom said NO cuz it means he is fit for full time work and that will be used Against him in his tribunal so my mom rang up CAB and they told us to send a sick note and the Appeal form and a letter stating that i needs the basic rate while i wait.

    I will post on here on Monday Night after my Hearing and let you all know how i do.

    Comment by colin — May 24, 2012 @ 8:20 am

  504. Hello Colin.

    You should have been paid the assessment rate in all this time, as I said to Anonymous you have to ask for it, preferably in written form, because if you don’t ask you don’t get, at least you know now for the next time.
    Good luck with the appeal on Monday and let us know what happened.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 24, 2012 @ 8:35 am

  505. Hello all, with reference to the housing comments,I think its important to point something out, As most people are aware Cameron has made drastic and unfair changes to welfare reforms,He also made a speech awhile back about people that live in council houses with maybe more rooms then they actually need..He says these houses should be freed up for families,In normal circumstances that might be a good thing to do,But it seems to be untrue ,This is whats been happening near me,,people have been pressured into giving up their house for smaller but the ‘family ‘ houses they leave are then rented out to three or more men, immigrants, no wives,no children,so not for families then..If like alot of people you are paying rent and living in a council place where you happen to have spare rooms because your own family have grown and moved on…Dont let yourself be bullied out of your home, make use of your spare rooms , french students are a delight.and in most cases are permitted..This will enable you to keep your home.Of course its up to the individual,,I just wanted you to know the real reasons behind Crafty Camerons plans…

    Comment by ANNA — May 24, 2012 @ 11:18 am

  506. Hi DWP, Today i recieved my reply from my appeal, having looked at it again and taken into account my reasoning for meeting the descriptors etc.. They have refused it and are standing by the zero points, So its going to the tribunel service. Along with this letter the postman brought was another envelope, an award for DLA care component because I cant walk more than 200 meters without feeling severe discomfort or pain and because i dont wash or dress etc.. Isnt it a joke ?

    Im going to ring my CAB worker now and inform him of the outcome. Got Docs next week, fed up of asking him for sicknote. Feel like im pestering the man. Anyway thanks for the help.

    Comment by Tyson — May 24, 2012 @ 11:25 am

  507. Hi Tyson.

    That can only help at the tribunal appeal, walking less than 200 Metres doesn’t give enough points on it’s own though, but not being able to stand for any decent amount of time say less than ten minutes then that and the walking descriptor points should be enough, see what the CAB say ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 24, 2012 @ 11:58 am

  508. Thanks for that Anna…Cheers.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 24, 2012 @ 12:00 pm

  509. Tyson.Is your health condition degenerative? If so why not ask your Doctor to make your sick certificates longer?

    Comment by ANNA — May 24, 2012 @ 3:00 pm

  510. Thanks DWP, Hi ANNA, No its not degenerative, the Doctors dont care until your ready to die, then they’ll take notice, Although the GP i have now is ver, very good, I wont see any other in the practice, one or two are really awfull and shouldnt be in the job at all. Anyway, I was reffered once to an X Ray department for my Knee, results came back, I asked the Doc what it was, he just said “probably mild arthritis”… Thanks Doc, Its been with me for a lot of years, I think its muscle related, as i suffer with muscle pain in the groin. Had ultrasound, nothing shown up etc… Yet ATOS report states ive had no specialist treatment and i can walk fine, etc etc… Sorry for rambling !

    Comment by Tyson — May 24, 2012 @ 3:58 pm

  511. Sorry, I feel a bit cheeky asking him for a longer sick note, I hate having to ask him for one anyway :( Hes a nice Doctor though, Young Chinese fellow.

    Comment by Tyson — May 24, 2012 @ 4:00 pm

  512. get rid of all the foreign bastards thats having the benifits thats rightfully belong to people that are actually british.these leaches never get their jsa stopped ,never even see them signing on .thieves get everything they want,houses. hospital treatment and anything else that they want .while we the people that are acctually born in this country go without.fucking wrong

    Comment by Anonymous — May 25, 2012 @ 8:33 am

  513. Thats ok Tyson,When you had your ultrasound did they do your knee?Because Arthritis is usually determined from a deeper scan and from blood tests..Atos lie all the time or twist things,but then again look at Cameron & co lie after lie flows out of their mean mouths..I know what you,ve saying about some Doctors being not much cop.My Doctor is ok but sometimes he doesnt even look up from the computer so even though he says yesssss what is it,,I don,t say a thing until he looks at me,and if he then stares back at the computer I simply stop talking…He isnt happy about it but he shouldnt be so rude in the first place..you say you dont like asking him for a note anyway?He should be contacting you to make arrangements so you dont have to ask..Its not like you have nothing wrong is it? re,the xray results? Doctor said probably Arthritis? that xray was a waste of time then really and the outcome..probably Arthritis? The milkman could of come up with the same result….If you havent had ultrasound on your knee I,d insist on having one..Anyway good luck with everything.

    Comment by Anna — May 25, 2012 @ 2:12 pm

  514. I have just had my “Assessment” mailed to me. I scored “O”, I telephoned their contact number, after reading that (This letter may come as a Shock to you) Yes it did. My Incapacity Benefit will be stopped as from 1st June 2012. I asked by how much will it be cut & was informed over the telephone, that my New (Incapacity benefit increase from April.12th 2012) made up to £116.19p per week, will now be CUT down to £70 per week, which will mean a drop in income of £46 per week. My Industrial Injuries Benefit hopefully will not be affected,it is now £110.67p per week with April’s increase.
    My weekly spare cash will now be the grand sum of £25 after all my household Bills are paid & this will have to cover my food & any emergency that hopefully will never happen. (Thank God I gave up smoking 7 years ago, I do not drink & I now have no car or other transport, I have my Bus Pass. I am now 61 years old.
    I was informed that I am allowed to appeal & must include a Certificate from my Doctor, to be included in with my letter of appeal. I see my Doctor on Tuesday 29th May.
    I had my accident at work in August 1986, Three weeks after selling my house to enable me to start up my own catering business with the intention of moving to the South West of England.
    My Accident was a Fall which has caused Severe Sciatica, a Pilonidal Sinus within 18 months due to the Fall & within 3 years giving me Arthritis in my Neck. One year after my accident I was pensioned off unable to work. Four years later I was examined by a Back Specialist at his Surgery/Offices in Liverpool, I had prior to this appointment, had Two back Probes by a “Specialist”????? in East Sussex, I was told later by a Sports Physiotherapist, that the exercises that this Specialist had me doing for nearly one year, had (In the Physio’s own words) F***ed my Back up completely,making it worse.
    On moving back to Scotland in 1990, I made an appointment to see the Disability officer in Stirling, to see if it would be possible for me to have some form of a Part Time job. She told me to forget any ideas about ever working again, as my injuries would not be acceptable to any company to enable me to work even for the simplest of part time work.
    Added to this, in May 2003 I was mugged & Shot Three times while about to start a holiday abroad, I wa shot through each leg, luckily missing any vital arteries in my legs, unfortunately the Third bullet went into my right shoulder & lodged in the shoulder blade, this bullet hit the main artery & nearly killed me, Luckily I was driven straight to a brand new Clinic where I came back from the Darkness before the Light. This Bullet had cut through the nerves leading to my Thumb,Forefinger & Middle finger of my Right Hand. No operation to remove this Bullet, as I was informed by a Specialist in Stirling that to operate would more than likely Paralyze my Right arm.
    Yet ATOS have awarded me the grand total of “O”. I have been a widower for over 10 years now. Thankyou Mr Cameron & Clegg for helping me back to 100% Full Fitness. Is walking painful??? ask yourself, because it seems that ATOS would have me climbing Everest.

    Comment by Matthew Robertson — May 25, 2012 @ 8:58 pm

  515. Hello Mathew.

    The only solution for us is to keep appealing, they find you fit for work then you immediately appeal, they find you fit for work a couple of months later after you win your appeal then you get the GL 24 form and appeal again, if anyone asks you what to do because they are in despair then you tell them appeal, appeal, appeal and never ever give up..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 26, 2012 @ 6:42 am

  516. Even though I have been put into the support group for two years, I have been informed by JC+ that during this time I will still be ‘invited’ along for Nazi type medicals [ should I take a bottle of wine with me ,I wonder?] Anyway its been an horrific time,.I have wanted to end it, But now after trying hard to stay ahead of the mind games,extreme anxiety,..I,m not ever going to back down. One of the main things that keeps me going is I truly believe that CAMERON,IDS,GRAYLING AND ALL THE REST OF THE NAZIS WILL BE HELD TO BOOK FOR THE CLEANSING AND MURDER OF MILLIONS OF ILL AND DISABLED PEOPLE…BECAUSE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE,CONTINUE TO DO IS NOTHING MORE ,NOTHING LESS THAN MURDER…

    Comment by Anna — May 26, 2012 @ 10:01 am

  517. You can only appeal and win Anna, just keep going, adopt the attitude that they are going to give in first come hell or high water.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 26, 2012 @ 10:17 am

  518. Quick Question Guys only 2 days to go now till my Hearing scared now but iv been though worse so still going to go with my ant.

    1] I am 23 Years old i am Appealing for the Work Related Group of ESA what is the Rate if i Win my Hearing Monday?
    2] My Docter is trying to get me a letter in for Monday Agreeing with what was said at my CAB Appointment with my problems i have as they written a letter to the tribunal people what can i do if my docter dont get the letter done in time for my Hearing?

    My Appeal is about my Chronic Hydrocephalus and Learning Difficulties and the problems i have had and what challenges i faces with thses problems on a day to day basies

    Thanks Guys
    I will Let you Know how My Appeal Goes

    Comment by colin — May 26, 2012 @ 7:18 pm

  519. I am so sick of this country treating its own british born citizens like second class citizens. I could go on all day about that. However I recieved my decision from atos saying I had failed the medical even though I suffer from severe depression and anxiety and cant leave the house alone. Recieving there letter surely has made my mental state alot worse. I’m appealing there decision and am going to demand I be paid the assesment rate whilst my appeal is on going. Sometimes I feel ashamed to be british but then I think to myself, I’m not the one who should feel ashamed. Its the devil David Cameron and his evil spirit helpers. I WILL NOT be giving up my fight and I say to all of you out there who are going through the same NOT to give up also. We will get there in the end if we keep on fighting. We have to be strong and not be walked over.


    x x

    Comment by ryan taylor — May 27, 2012 @ 3:23 pm

  520. Hello Ryan, Thats the thing, Dont give up no matter what they say to you ,or any letters you get from them,Try not to read them straight away ,I find its best to give yourself a little talking to first telling yourself that its not to be taken personaly,.And that whatever the content then its not going to pull you down..And that with support you can and will tackle them…I am pleased to hear you are going to appeal.Depression is a terrible illness and is often underestimated unfortunately its one of those illnesses that you can,t really see..However the symptons can be debilitating in many ways..,i suffer depression myself so I can relate to you…I wonder if you have any connection with ;MIND;..I dont know where you live but some towns have a walk in place..And some samaritans also have a walk in ..or you could call ‘MIND’ and if you havent already tell them you really need help and support , sometimes, if they have enough staff they might send a person to your home, And I know they have Advocates to go to appeals with you… I trust that your depression is in your medical records? I say this because some Doctors are worse than useless and do not always write all details down,,To be honest I feel annoyed with Doctors at the moment they should be comimg out in full force against the Government especially as their integrity is under question…but their not and I find that odd… please dont let the cruel behaviour of a few twits ruin your days..Good Luck..

    Comment by Anna — May 27, 2012 @ 5:33 pm

  521. I Have Won My Appeal what happens Next i was Placed in the Work Related Group will my payments go straight up on my next payday or will it take around 6 weeks for them to deal with it i know my backdated money i get will take around 6 weeks

    Comment by colin — May 28, 2012 @ 8:43 pm

  522. Colin…It will take around six weeks to get paid, they wont forget about you, we just have to be patient, you might have to go for a work focused interview, they just ask basic questions like ”Have you ever had a job ?” and ”What did you work at before ?” etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 29, 2012 @ 4:30 am

  523. Hi my husband has psoratic arthritis and suffers with kidney stones due to constant grit flowing thru his kidneys . Psoriasis covers 80percent of his body and has arthritis in every bone and joint he also has direrculitis a disease of the bowl .he received zero points at his assesment we have appealed sent it in on 21 st May he telephoned today and was told they have received it but it has not been looked at and he has to send in sick notes until he hears from them. What a joke they are

    Comment by Anonymous — May 30, 2012 @ 3:21 pm

  524. Hello Anonymous.

    In normal circumstances I wouldn’t believe you, I would have said you were making it all up.
    But these are not normal circumstances, and it’s hard to believe but I know you are telling the truth, because it’s happening all over Britain, the fabricated functional assessments and the lies, their motivation must be very strong indeed.
    If ATOS are getting £250 for every person they find fit for work (Tony, why it’s important to appeal page on this blog) then that is a strong motivation and a direct conflict of interest, any kind of remuneration to find people fit for work is morally wrong..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 31, 2012 @ 5:06 am

  525. I Have Won My Appeal on May 28th for my ESA Work Related Does anyone Know when i will get a letter saying i am entitled to esa as i need this to claim back my Doctors medical records 50 back i paid and also my college needs it as well as i am going full time in Sept at Kiddminster College so i dont need to pay course fees and i know its income based as CAB checked while i was there before my hearing.
    what does it mean Income bassed ESA?
    i am in receipt of dla so college should not be affected with my ESA but i will check when i go to my first job center interview thing

    Comment by colin — May 31, 2012 @ 11:21 am

  526. I have been on IB for 6 years also DLA and my hubby gets carers allowance to look after me (that is A joke Sum of money) anyway I received a form this morning from local jobcentre asking me to fill in what benefits I receive and how much, find this weird as all they have to do is look it up on computer, or is this letter the start of something else, I know they want to reasses everyone just wondered if this was it coming my way,

    Comment by Anne Walker — June 2, 2012 @ 8:39 pm

  527. Hello Anne.

    I find it weird as well, perhaps they want to know your total income (any other monies as well) to determine whether you are entitled to contributory ESA or income related ESA when you are finally assessed by ATOS.
    Let us know what happens Anne ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 3, 2012 @ 8:31 am

  528. Not sure if this is the right place to ask but I am desperate for some information. I recently attended a “medical reassessment” for my Incapacity Benefit/ Income Support and while the DWP have acknowledged my inevitable appeal they have said nothing about whether I will still be paid until the appeal is heard.

    Comment by Steve Epton — June 5, 2012 @ 9:54 am

  529. Hello Steve.

    Send them a letter saying that since you are appealing could you please pay me the assessment rate while I wait for the appeal to be heard, also don’t forget to attache a sicknote if you haven’t already done so, they will pay nothing until you supply them with a sicknote..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 5, 2012 @ 2:14 pm

  530. What do they mean by Income ESA and Contributory ESA whats the diffence between them i know i was getting bass rate income related as CAB Checked somit to do with legal aid?

    Comment by colin — June 5, 2012 @ 8:56 pm

  531. It basically means if you have no income and very little in the bank then you are entitled to income related, if you have some income in to the home and/or savings (£16,000 ?.) then you may be eligible to contributory related provided the relevant NI stamps were paid.
    Now the Tories have recently rigged it so that anyone who is entitled to contributory ESA but the combined income from say him and wife is over £140 P/W and/or they have savings of a certain amount then they will lose their Contributory ESA and no longer be entitled to ESA at all, the alternative is to sign on, but to sign on you have to be fit for work so it’s a catch 22 situation.
    Of course the amount of savings is supposed to be £16,000 but that will change as time goes by, before long it will be £10,000 savings then it will be reduced to £6,000 savings before one is eligible then it will be £1,000 savings then it will be no savings, so anyone with any savings will not get any ESA and be forced to sign on or starve.
    The message is if you are going to be on ESA some time in the future (For instance, seriously ill but hanging on to your job for dear life) then it’s best if you give your savings away to your relatives, better they get it before the Government does, that’s just my opinion and that’s what I would do, of course when you do apply for ESA then the buggers will demand to know what you did with your savings etc.
    It’s clear the Government don’t want you to have any money at all, not even savings, well if that’s the case then I say SO BE IT.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 6, 2012 @ 7:59 am

  532. It basically means if you have no income and very little in the bank then you are entitled to income related, if you have some income in to the home and/or savings (£16,000 ?.) then you may be eligible to contributory related provided the relevant NI stamps were paid.
    Now the Tories have recently rigged it so that anyone who is entitled to contributory ESA but the combined income from say him and wife is over £140 P/W and/or they have savings of a certain amount then they will lose their Contributory ESA and no longer be entitled to ESA at all, the alternative is to sign on, but to sign on you have to be fit for work so it’s a catch 22 situation.
    Of course the amount of savings is supposed to be £16,000 but that will change as time goes by, before long it will be £10,000 savings then it will be reduced to £6,000 savings before one is eligible then it will be £1,000 savings then it will be no savings, so anyone with any savings will not get any ESA and be forced to sign on or starve.
    The message is if you are going to be on ESA some time in the future (For instance, seriously ill but hanging on to your job for dear life) then it’s best if you give your savings away to your relatives, better they get it before the Government does, that’s just my opinion and that’s what I would do, of course when you do apply for ESA then the buggers will demand to know what you did with your savings etc.
    It’s clear the Government don’t want you to have any money at all, not even savings, well if that’s the case then I say SO BE IT.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 6, 2012 @ 7:59 am

  533. Hello all, I have just seen some interesting stuff while reading Diary of a SAH stroke survivor, I wish I knew how to transfer it onto here but I am useless with computers ,but I got this.http;//www.consent.me.uk.. I havent known of this information before .But it could be that i,ve just missed it so I do apologise if its already been put on here… DIARY OF A STROKE SURVIVOR,http;//www.consent.me.uk..

    Comment by Anna — June 6, 2012 @ 11:35 am

  534. http://www.consent.sanctions.uk

    Comment by Anna — June 6, 2012 @ 12:00 pm

  535. I am Due to be Paid on Friday Will i get the Basic Rate Plus the Work Related Componment or will i just get the Basic Rate? income bassed esa i am on as cab checked for me anyone know what the rate is i am 23 years old and am on DLA Middle rate care and low for mob

    I won My Appeal on 28/5/2012 and was placed in the work related group scoring 18 points what is the requirements for the work related group?


    Comment by colin — June 6, 2012 @ 12:07 pm

  536. Colin.

    You will get the basic rate until such times as they decide to inform you that you have won your appeal, as for the requirements for the work related group ? well they expect you to try and find work that relates to your condition, they claim they will help you to do this, hence the reason for compulsory work focused interviews..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 6, 2012 @ 12:12 pm

  537. Iv had letter from DWP x 2 One asking for a sick note and the other saying my ESA is going to end cuz im on Contribution ESA which i know i am not becasue when i went to CAB before my tribunal she rang them up and they said im getting ESA Assessment Rate Income related so i have a feeling i have got another battle with them again going back to CAB Monday 12.30 pm and doctors tommow to get a sick note just to cover me even tho i have Won my ESA Hearing Work Related Group Appeal i feel really annoyed with them [DWP] ESA Hearing Win 28/05/2012 and Letters Dated 5/6/12 but CAB is going to challenge the Contribution ESA Letter as this adviser has rang them up and they said i was getting income Related i am seeing the same Adviser who saw me a week before my Case she told me just get another sick note and come and see me at 12.30 pm Monday and bring the letters i will sort it all out for you as this is beyond a joke. I am going to job center tommow to ask them to fax the Appeal Win Sheet to them DWP i bet they will not but my mom said you might as well try so i ant gonna have no money tommow great my ant who went to my hearing with me is going mad at them dwp

    Comment by colin — June 7, 2012 @ 9:53 pm

  538. That’s the only thing you can do Colin, just see your advisor and try and get this sorted out, the DWP make mistakes all the time, let’s hope this Contributory business is just that..a mistake..!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 8, 2012 @ 5:44 am

  539. please check the following out bhfederation & disability news … http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com. once again sorry if its already been put on here…Its such a terrible shame that this could not have come about before,Then 6.000 people who have lost their lives through being forced back to work after Atos.Dwp passed these very ill people as fit for work.,its too late for them..maybe things are about to turn around.But I still think that the Government should be held personaly responsible for the massive loss of lives.Due to their what can only be described as cleansing of the disabled..People have died their only crime was to be unwell. The whole experiment was horrific.it makes me cry when I think of how frightened and distressed those people must have been..The Government have caused these deaths..THE TRUTH WILL OUT…

    Comment by Anna — June 8, 2012 @ 11:11 pm

  540. Well, that’s just great! I have just received a letter from my Council Benefit’s Section that the DWP have informed them that I am no longer in receipt of IB/IS. So, not only have they cut off my means of staying alive they have now stopped my rent from being paid. I cannot beleive in the 21st century that a Government can do this to its own people. By the way, I see they found another £10 million to give in foreign aid!!

    Comment by Steve Epton — June 11, 2012 @ 9:58 am

  541. So sorry to hear this, the Government are responsible for Corporate genocide,just noticed a headline in today’s Daily Mail David Cameron apparently accidentally left his little girl in the pub after he and his family had been out for lunch, UNBELIEVABLE.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — June 11, 2012 @ 10:36 am

  542. It was always going to be like this when the Tories got into power. Maybe those people who actually voted for them and are now suffering because of it will vote for good old Labour next time.

    Comment by Tyson — June 11, 2012 @ 11:02 am

  543. They did the same to me Steve, just tell the Council housing association your circumstances and it will get sorted..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 11, 2012 @ 12:39 pm

  544. The little girl left him in the pub more like…

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 11, 2012 @ 12:43 pm

  545. Labour ? the best out of a bad lot I suppose..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 11, 2012 @ 12:44 pm

  546. Hi, I have been on IS AND IB for 7 years and never had to have a medical due to meeting the threshold of incpacity, ( Too sick)
    Yet I scored 0 points by the Atos Examiner Muppet.
    I have written an in depth letter explaining my objections with medical records and a supporting Gp Letter and sent them Special delivery but they cant confirm if they have them or not and niether can Royal Mail so be weary of postal services delivering these brown envelopes for you as they go missing it seems.
    Forget trying to get hold of the ESA yourself and get in touch with your local Mp office and get them to chase your case up for you as they will and ESA PEOPLE WILL GIVE THEM ANSWERS. (I hope so anyway !)
    I guess I will grinded into submission within the next 8 weeks if I havent been transfered to ESA Appeal rate when I can know longer afford my mortgage without the DWP financial help, the b******s
    Basicaly all of this mess has been planned by design I am told, The goverment were happy for us to become dependant on the state so we become used to it and enslaved to it and then strike when at our most vunerable to cripple us by pulling the blanket out from underneath us and watch all the poor people crumble into despair knowing full well we cannot work and eventually die basically and just leave the blood thirst rich intact or the elite as they like to be known, the pagun worshipers.

    Comment by p bloggs — June 22, 2012 @ 11:01 pm

  547. Dont worry,the maggots have started to wriggle out of the apple…watch them fall one by one..,.Letters always seem to go missing? and the esa people are never around..all done accidentley on purpose ,i,m sure its part of the intimidation…The DWP can be nasty sometimes..I have had a lot of dealings with them, the last call to them was a month ago I had phoned them after receiving a very confusing letter..I,m ill,I felt weak and upset, The person on the phone was cold , uncaring,I was in tears I asked why are you doing this to people,The reply I got was a very callous ,because we can….its frightening isnt it…but they,ve obviously been briefed…hope their proud..hope they can hold their nasty heads up along with the media that know exactly whats happening to us…The press has obviously been gagged…but when it does finally get reported in full people will be shocked by what this Nazi Government has done to genuine ill and disabled people,,some people will even cry…The truth will out….it always does…

    Comment by Anna — June 23, 2012 @ 12:19 am

  548. Yes the truth will out eventually that’s true, it always does, trouble is it might be too late to help us.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 23, 2012 @ 6:13 am

  549. How do we make the media report all the deaths caused as a result of disabled being passed as fit for work.? I believe it to be 6,000 people and rising…as a child we had lessons about Nazi Germany and of course the concentration camps. I wondered then at age 13 how comes so many thousands of people were murdered and no one tried to do anything…or tried to stop it…was it because it wasnt reported.was it because of all the propaganda? Just like now…there must be something we all can do to get all the facts into the press…can the media be sued for not reporting these deaths and the real reasons for them.?How can they splash over the pages about syria ? when the Government in the UK has been knowingly killing its own people…sadam hussein apparently gassed his own people..thats what kept being fed to us by the media so what is the difference???? sorry, its a bad day…no sleep..stressed..frustrated that this vital information is being withheld from the public…

    Comment by Anna — June 23, 2012 @ 8:25 am

  550. Google in Calum’s list, another site that speaks the truth, by the way the majority of the mainstream media have sold their souls to the Government and the Daily mail, the Express and the Sun in particular, sold their souls at least as far as the recent seriously flawed welfare reform are concerned.
    The Guardian and the Daily mirror seem to be exceptions, but even they haven’t fully grasped how bad the situation has become.


    Comment by dwpexamination — June 23, 2012 @ 9:43 am

  551. Yes, letters do seem to go missing, I sent my sick note in at the end of May via recorded delivery, they still claim they never got it. Just my luck i had misplaced the reciept for the registered letter aswell, had to go through all sorts of chaos trying to get a damn appointment with my GP to get a duplicate sick note, stress got a bit much and i resorted top self harming. 18 days with no money or food.

    Comment by Tyson — June 23, 2012 @ 11:57 am

  552. Yes same problem with me they lost 3 medical certificates, also sent by recorded delivery, all were signed for at the other end, no sympathy from my GP either he charged me for one replacement sick or as the DWP and atos call it fitness note, i am a sarky cow.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — June 23, 2012 @ 12:12 pm

  553. I had mine emailed over from my local jobcentre (so it didnt go missing, again) the way the sicknote was written, the guy at the jobcentre assumed i had altered it, they are all incompetent fools and its us that suffer because of it.

    Comment by Tyson — June 23, 2012 @ 6:20 pm

  554. Hello all, Just have to say because I find it a bit disturbing that apart from dwpexamination,, all other comments were centered on the missing/lost mail of my comments …while I realize this is frustrating and upsetting its small fry compared to what else I had expressed…Out of interest I would just like to know was it because you didnt read the whole thing? you did but didnt perhaps beleive it? you did but didnt care if it was true or not? or was it that you didnt think it was important because maybe it doesnt concern you directly? I would really be interested to know…

    Comment by Anna — June 24, 2012 @ 12:17 pm

  555. i had my young son returned to me after he was literally kidnapped by my local authority,i defeated them in the family courts and after stealing him they decided they were ott and gave him back after 1 year aged 2,the situation gave me severe depression which i could not discuss with my gp etc as previously they have worked against me to steal my son,i was recently imformed my esa has stopped and i have appeald,they jeapordised my sons placement by stopping all my money for a month without food or electric etc,its disgracefull and clearly infringes human rights,either abolish the welfare system or run it properly.My freind recently commited suicide because they stooped his benefit and he was made homeless,he did manage to smash the entire offices up b4 he hung himself he was a gr8 guy,win or lose its like this win i carry on with a view to getting off brenefits when my condition improves and back into work,lose i claim nothing and go back to my old ways of addiction depression and crime,i will drop off the radar live underground and probably be extremely wealthy,maybe they hate there voters so much they want them 2 be victims of crime and make huge insurance claims and waste police man hours,there r many i know who will live this way if necessary,

    Comment by Anonymous — June 27, 2012 @ 10:26 am

  556. Sorry to hear that this is affecting you and like this, and sorry to hear your friend felt so bad he felt the only way out was the ultimate.
    This has been going on for far to long, in fact a list has been started to point out to everyone that the DWP and this Governments draconian welfare policies are driving sick and disabled people to end their lives.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 27, 2012 @ 1:23 pm

  557. Hello There

    Just had the rudest DWP lady on the phone to me.

    I may not have helped as phones are a bit of an issue for me, but she wanted to talk about my appeal and instantly got very defensive as I stated their assesment of me was “misleading” and started to tell me I was wrong. I replied that I sill thought their version of events was uninformed and was indeed misleading. After this it went downhill as she then bought up the fact that i do occasionally do get out of the house to a pub.

    Now, when i visit the pub I firstly have to get there. Which involves going the most quiet and sometimes barely navigable routes. Once I get there I rush out to the end of the garden (rain/shine/snow/blizzard) as I cannot face being in the pub with people.

    The lady said, “well then you’re not agoraphopic as that means you cant go out at all”. I explained to her that that was not correct. She said it was and if I can go out then well….

    I explained that I have an abcess in my gum/tooth that has been there for 5-6 years and causes me pain but I don’t get it seen to as I cant face going out in the daytime and cant contemplate meeting people unless I’ve had a drink. (I can sometimes, but it’s hellish), she then stated she didnt really like dentists either.

    I corrected her and said, no you’re not listening, i like dentists thats not issue at all, i just cant get to them.

    I think then she mentioned the pub again.

    Well we went round and round with me attempting to explain my situation and her and her stating that any of my issues were not her dept. and that i should talk to my doctor.

    My Doctor, whilst a lovely chap, seems to think that the support DWP stuff doesn’t really involve him. I don’t know how to change this.

    I did get flustered and while talking to her I repeatedly did state that I was not “having a go at you rather the situation” she eventually said, well we need to cut this short as we are not getting anywhere and that she would indeed be referring my case to a tribunal.
    She recommended that i provide more info about my situation to give to the tribunal, I said how? how can I prove anything more? Throw myself infront of a bus? Show the tribunal my scars all over my arms? I don’t know what do do!.

    At this time is was getting quite raised of voice, but only because the lady had been so combatative from the beginning.

    Eventually she stated she really didn’t have time for this so I said fine, lets cut it short and just give me the info. She read out sume gubbins from a sheet of paper/screen to me and we parted ways.

    I dont think ill be on her xmas list.

    Now obviously none of this is verbatim and there are snippets from both sides missing, but Im writing this down as soon as I can so I remember roughly the course of events for you guys and for me.

    I’m angry, depressed and disappointed and feel again as if I have done something wrong as I “dared” to question their assesment.

    I’m not often a ranter and Im not blind to the jobs people have to do and the stresses involved, but if I had (when I worked) ever talked to a client like that I would have been for the high jump.

    I may not see pink elephants, but I am not well, not completely cuckoo but not well.

    I paid taxes, I just want/need a bit of support to get me back into the workforce again.

    From what I have seen and experienced, the government doesn’t seem to want/care about this.

    We are obviously all shell-suited scum that arn’t wanted at Ascot and Henley and god forbid if one of us ever gets into Claridges.

    /end rant



    Comment by Anonymous — June 28, 2012 @ 4:14 pm

  558. Well, you can go to Claridges if you wanted to? I fully understand your frustrations..I think the DWP are sort of briefed to act in such a callous way.So try not to take it personaly..Its best to keep it short and contained when talking with them,You dont have to explain anything like that over the phone.Doctor/hospital maybe not them..Just nat inss no..name etc…then state what you require.end of..ie..I do not agree with the mock doctors report and I want to appeal…[dont say mock]lol…You might want to get that gum boil looked at before it turns really nasty..And I understand about the pub..you were just being honest ,but sometimes they put you into an impossible situation where you have to be economical with the truth…otherwise we get labelled shirkers…I spent months in doors to frightened to go out because the depression escalated as they made me feel paranoid like I couldnt move…I called the dla I told them my health problems I told them about the DWP , letters etc..I asked am I allowed to go outside,,The answer was of course you can,,,,we dont expect you to stay inside all the time just because you have illnesses,.you say you feel as though you have done something wrong…take it from me you have done nothing wrong at all…enjoy the good weather..stop worrying..you have enough to deal with as it is….please draw a line under it and carry on….

    Comment by Anna — June 28, 2012 @ 5:24 pm

  559. Hello there,

    Sorry, my humour is a bit oblique at times, I know I can/could go there (Claridges) for tea, in fact I do live in Henley and used to work opposite Claridges in Brook St for an international firm, but that’s not how the government/DWP seem to see anyone who has challenges, to them we seem to all be “ratboy” scroungers rather than human beings (shell suits or pinstripes).

    As to getting treatment for my “boil” (ewww) not going to happen i’m afraid, I just don’t have the cash and my local dentist charges, regardless of the angst and fear in getting to him. If I could I would. Part of me doesn’t want my jaw to rot and fall off but the other part of me wants me to get some sort of septic poisoning.

    In future I will take your advice and keep it “short and sweet” I was just under the impression they were supposed to help. I’m too naieve!

    I’d love to experience the weather, but can’t do daytime, so I’m sweating it out in my little room. I might go for a little walk down the back alley when it gets dark enough. (Good God, that sounds pitiful!)

    I’m not worrying (any more than usual), just needed a good old rant at the universe, but thanks for your reply, the fact someone took a few mins out of their day to communicate with me is nice.

    Anyhoo, at least my appeal is going ahead which means there might be some light at the end of the tunnel.



    Comment by Anonymous — June 28, 2012 @ 5:53 pm

  560. Hello Anonymous.

    Don’t have discussions with these people on phones, get a GL24 form and a copy of your ESA 85 assessment report and appeal as soon as possible, by the way if you wish to appeal then to be paid the assessment rate you have to supply the DWP a sicknote, don’t forget to ask for the assessment rate because of you don’t they will not tell you and you will get nothing.

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 28, 2012 @ 7:16 pm

  561. Hi, Thank you for doing such a great job in helping us all in these sad times. My questions are, I passed an appeal process 10 years ago for multiple Osteo-arthritis and ank spondyalitis I have subsequently been diagnosed with Emphesyma that is caused by a genetic condition called alpha anti trypsin defeciency and not by smoking. I can’t breathe properly and cannot walk. I was turned down for DLA because I could walk to the door and let their doctor in, I didn’t appeal that because the appeal was held 50 miles away, how could I get there and i have been surviving on income support since. I haven’t received my medical interview request yet but as I see it is only a matter of time. What am I to do? Will they come here and see me or will they just write me off because I can’t get there. Will my already having won an appeal years ago help at all? I am so worried that I don’t know what to do. My doctor knows what the DWP is doing and will obviously give me sick notes I have a bone specialist as well as a lung specialist. My blood oxygen is 93% and will be on oxygen as soon as it falls another 1%. Any advice would be much appreciated as I am just so worried. I live alone no family and no support, I am 56 years old and was hoping to die before I was thrown on the street, but it does not look like that will be the case. regards Richard

    Comment by Richard Mosley — July 4, 2012 @ 3:30 pm

  562. Hello Richard.

    Since they haven’t sent for you yet then there’s no point in worrying, wait until they call you then you can ask your GP for a letter of support for a home visit.
    That’s all you can do until they visit your home and assess you, in my opinion your chances of being found fit for work are slim if your blood oxygen is at 93%, but on the other hand you need to understand the reason why they fail people who are seriously ill, which is to force them to appeal.
    It’s a grinding machine, and people are not taken into account, so protect yourself by going with the flow, if the worst comes to the worst then visit our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org where you will get all the help humanly possible.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 4, 2012 @ 4:37 pm

  563. Hello, Richard.I have been in a similiar situation many years ago..Having been turned down for DLA I did not bother to appeal,However I did reapply 6 weeks later and got it…I,m not sure if you can still do this but theres no harm in trying,So please if you want to contact DLA and ask for a form do not explain anything, do not say you,ve applied before..Then when it arrives fill the form in as if it is your worse day ever..I say this because I know full well how debilitating and painful Anklosing Spondylitis can be..And sadly its not going to improve…If the emphesyma came about after the rejected DLA then you need to especially state this…The questions are made to make you feel awful about yourself,please let this go over your head..If a question asks .,,,how long does it take you to get out of bed.. you say the truth..and as you have Anklosing spondylosis I,m sure its pretty much 20 mins to half hour…..A lot of people get put off by the Questions asked like …example..do you need help with taking pills…The answer would be yes ..you make notes to remind yourself , you get a phone call t remind you ..you have a timer and so on…You need to answer truthfully without feeling bad about yourself… re..medical review…If you did not request a home visit on your form ..then call them and tell them to make a note that you are not well enough to travel anywhere and you want a home visit…dont get into conversation with these people..Keep it very brief.. ask their name..take a note of it and the date and time… re, winning an appeal years ago means absolutely nothing to them…why does your Doctor continue to give you sick notes when you are so obviously ill?? When the decent thing to do would be to sign you off? none of us like talking to Doctors…How about you send him/her an email expressing how distressed you are about this terrible situation…Mention that you are finding it very difficult to cope and that the stress caused by the unfair and callous treatment by the DWP/JC+ etc is making your health much worse …I am sure the Doctor will help…If not then maybe he /she should take a different path in life…Anyway Richard nothing bad will happen if you send an email…its not a hanging offence..Please dont despair Richard, you will get through this..Look at what you,ve had to cope with so far…please dont fall victim because of a few nameless, faceless weazles… Just going to leave this number here because I found they had some good advise when I needed it..08088022000 they are called turn ..2..us And if you have a MIND near you .They can put you in touch with an advocate to help support you.. Heres my local Mind no..02083038932,, but if you call i,m sure you,ll be put through to your local one.. And above all else I know its easier said than done…But please try hard not to worry…all the time you are worrying it depletes your already compromised energy…And you need that energy to fight for whats right….Dont ever give up…lots of love ..Anna x

    Comment by Anna. — July 4, 2012 @ 4:58 pm

  564. Thank you so much Anna, I am so grateful, my tears are just pouring I am so grateful

    Comment by Anonymous — July 4, 2012 @ 5:05 pm

  565. i have just sat here and read through this page, its shocking the way everyone has been treated, but also nice to know i am not alone.

    i had my ESA medical in march and got 0 points, and my tribunal date is is august

    i suffer with depression, anxiety and social phobia. for me some of the hardest thing i have to do is go to anyway new or busy with people i dont know, i suffer with panic attacks, and this may sound melo-dramatic, but my mind just “shuts down” when i have to deal with situations like this. this system is terrible, and the whole situation has made me far more ill then i have been in years

    Comment by Anonymous — July 6, 2012 @ 8:04 am

  566. Hello Anonymous.

    It’s not our intention to frighten anyone, although (Frightening) it certainly is that, we want everyone to know what’s ahead of them, we don’t want anyone to be under any illusions of this Government (Along with their henchmen at ATOS and the DWP) and what they have in store for us.

    A great place to start if one is still living in cloud cuckoo land is our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org it’s a great guide out of cloud cuckoo land and into the world of reality.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 6, 2012 @ 9:25 am

  567. hi im waiting to hear about my redision i have been on incapivity benifit for a long time i have won 2 appeals years ago and have had many medicals this last on signed me off . my doctor is on my side but we have to go through this part first i have been waiting now for 4 weeks to know whats going on because until they get in touch i don’t know if i need to go for another appeal how can they knock you off when you have a had a medical 12 /18 months ago and was found unfit for work your condition gets worse you attend another medical this year and your fit for work i suffer from depression ,dermatitus,
    bad hip joints, and going to one hospital for treatment for my hip they found out has well has my hip i have a very bad lower back bu because of the pain from my hip i didnt even know my back was in a bad condition which now i,m trying pyscho and if that dont work im going to have to have the injections in my spine i also suffer with asthma, and border line for aginna, sorry about the spelling my mind is going as well i can’t sit for long can’t walk for long cant drive for long without crying in pain thank you for your help kay

    Comment by kay hopkins — July 10, 2012 @ 6:33 am

  568. We are trying our best to help everyone Kay, we are all in the same boat and we need to stand together and we can win in the end, this can’t go on much longer and something has to give, the pressure on this Government is enormous and they are ready to crack, it’s just a matter of time.
    Visit our sister site and learn what’s happening, any news we find out goes straight on this site http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 10, 2012 @ 9:48 am

  569. hi just to give you a update i have had a letter saying that i am still signed off after asking for them to take another look at the decission and i am now considering weather to go for a appeal which i have done twice before and won both but they were a few years ago and by the letter i got back it seems everything has changed but i feel i have to try a appeal and see where that goes or do i go to job center and sign on but if i do that am i giving in to the goverment i still think their decission is wrong

    Comment by kay — July 30, 2012 @ 7:02 am

  570. Hi Kay.

    If you believe their decision is wrong there can only be one action, and that’s to appeal.
    Never ever sign on if you have real health problems, because that is asking for it, appeal and win again, you have nothing to lose.
    Even if (God forbid) you lost an appeal, you can re-apply for ESA again (Subject to a couple of conditions) so get in there and win that appeal or die trying.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 30, 2012 @ 11:43 am

  571. thank you i am going to appeal kay

    Comment by kay — July 30, 2012 @ 4:07 pm

  572. Great notes i have my tribunal tomorrow, Any Pointers how to address them. My husband is representing me

    Comment by linda — August 14, 2012 @ 7:21 pm

  573. Hello Linda.

    You don’t need to address them, they will know all about you (From your medical record), but they will introduce themselves, and probably explain they will be asking you some questions on your functional ability.

    So it’s best to just say hello good morning etc, and your husband can say something like, ”As you know my wife is contesting descriptor such and such and descriptor and so on.
    They will look at your case file and agree, then they will probably be talking to YOU and YOU only, (Do not be surprised at this) because the appeal is about you and not your husband, so don’t take offence.

    If you have a physical condition for instance then you will find that they will ask you how far you can walk before you feel such discomfort that you have to stop and rest (Notice the word discomfort and not pain) if you answer truthfully and correctly you will get points for that, provided they believe you.
    They will continue to ask questions like how long you can sit for, or stand for etc, again the correct answer gets points, they will not ask your husband how long you can stand for because as I said it’s not about him but about you.
    Just make sure your answers tally up with what you have written on your ESA 50 Questionnaire, they will have a copy and be comparing what you say with what you wrote at the time.
    The appeal hearing will concern the date the DWP decision maker found you fit for work and not the date you were assessed by ATOS, so if you can do something now that you couldn’t do at the time of the decision to find you fit for work, in theory this shouldn’t go against you.
    But we have found that in some cases admitting that you can do something you couldn’t do at the time you were found fit for work has went against people, what decision you take and how you answer is up to you, and is your own responsibility.
    Personally I believe one should tell the truth, which means that if I can walk over a hundred yds now, but couldn’t at the time, then it’s best to be honest and admit it.
    If you are unfortunate enough to lose the appeal you can ask for a statement of reasons, and if they dare to mention anything you could do now to justify refusing your appeal then you can get them on a ”POINT OF LAW”.

    Good luck Linda, and just stay cool.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 14, 2012 @ 8:29 pm

  574. Just a quick hello and to let you know I won my appeal!

    2+ years of waiting for an appeal date and for them not to adjourn or cancel… which they did a few times… and once from me as I was too ill to attend after being in hospital.

    Insist, resist, persist.

    Comment by Franka — August 16, 2012 @ 7:58 am

  575. Well Hallo Franka.

    Good news indeed, and you’re right there can be no let up, it’s a constant battle against corruption..!!.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 16, 2012 @ 8:17 am

  576. Hello all, i have been given my appeal date for the 5th of oct after having recieved 0 points in april 2012, i really cant wait to have my case heard as i feel so let down by this so called medical i recieved…………. or should i say didnt recieve!!! Let me put the readers of this page in the picture……….if i may .
    In jan 2012 i was given a sick note from my doctor for my place of work due to the fact i could barely walk with the doctor thinking i had slipped my discs, as was employed full time as a support worker and still on probation having only 5 weeks left before being given a contract……… however due to the fact my conditon didnt improve i was then given a futher 2 week sick note by my gp and informed i would be having MRI and other tests … oh forgot to mention i also suffered from tennis elbow [very painfull ] and was due to see about a operation as injections no longer worked.
    On the 17th feb 2012 i recieved a letter informing me from my employer i was being dimissed due to the fact i had been sick …………….. gutted however at this time i was still very much in pain [ siatica ] i then informed the DWP that i had now been dismissed and was still going to be claiming ESA!!!
    On the 17th april 2012 i was sent for this so called JOKE of a medical and recieved 0 points.
    I now sit typeing this with one hand having just had my op on my elbow yesterday also not in as much pain as i was back in jan with my back however i have good and bad days!! i am hoping by the5th of oct [6 mths after my so called medical saying i could walk without any pain??? and use my arm to pick things up with!!! will i be given a fair appeal as i so want to return to a job i so loved to do supporting people with learning disabilitys ,
    I want to stress to these people i will sit infront and inform them of people like myself who were sick and by being so I lost a job i loved…………..
    My doctor was the one who said i should appeal and gave my a letter to support me to do so.
    AM I SCARED OF GOING TO APPEAL HELL NO!!!! AM SO ANGRY AT THE FACT A PERSON WHO WAS IN FULL TIME EMPLOYMENT WENT SICK THEN LOST A JOB , AND THEN TO BE TREATED LIKE dirt sorry rant over…………….. i will however be letting the appeal panel know my feelings too lol ……..
    thanks alot J baker x

    Comment by JEAN BAKER — August 19, 2012 @ 12:39 am

  577. Hell Jean.

    At least you know what a sham it all is, and believe me it’s been going on for over three years, if anyone was in or had any doubts in the past then the two recent television programmes have dispelled them, I heard through a foreign contact that even the Iranian President Ahmadjinedad was shocked when he watched it on Al Jazeera.
    And Cameron has the audacity, the cheek to lecture other Countries all over the world about human rights, that little pipsqueak.

    When Cameron said we are all in it together, he didn’t mean us, he meant him and Osbourne, Iain Duncan Smith, Grayling and Lansley (All that crowd) are in it together with the banks, UNUM insurance, ATOS healthcare the Department of work and pensions and the judicial system backing them up to the hilt.
    Well as I said at least you aren’t under any illusions..!!

    By the way, on the news this morning, dozens of police officers are standing outside the Embassy of Ecuador just to catch one guy who defied them, told the truth, it’s this Government that are the criminals, Assange is just telling it how it is, FREEDOM OF SPEECH ? this Country is a joke.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 19, 2012 @ 8:00 am

  578. Hello all..I havent been here for a long time…I need some answers please…In short I met a very obviously disabled man at the hospital last week..We started talking, He had been in a car crash which had now left him with a twisted body.he needed two sticks to walk , and he had received a serious brain injury,,Now i,m not a medical person but I could see for myself the extent of this man.s injuries so much so that he does not recall his wedding and has no memory of his 4 kids…he dribbled from the side of his mouth and his eyes were not where they should be…BRAIN DAMAGED! but. yep you guessed it he has been passed as fit for work by the Nazis.Trouble is his wife has had a nervous breakdown through trying to cope with a man that does not remember her,And because of all the added stress from DWP/ATOS.JCPLUS.he went onto job seekers ..he is in pieces over this..I gave him all the details I could.but also had to write on the back of his hand tell family about note…I feel so sorry for this man who incidently was an engineer for 20plus years before the crash…Is there any way he can get this turned around..I DESPISE ALL THOSE EXCUSE FOR HUMAN BEINGS THAT ARE DOING THIS GENUINE DISABLED PEOPLE …..AND I HOPE IT ALL GOES BACK ON THEM…BIG TIME.!

    Comment by Anna — August 19, 2012 @ 12:32 pm

  579. Hello Anna.

    That’s a terrible story, and under normal circumstances I wouldn’t believe it, but these are not normal circumstances, something dreadful, really evil has came upon us, and to tell you the truth I personally don’t see a way out, I’ve been doing this for over three years and nothing seems to be happening, just the same old thing day in day out, another person stitched up like a kipper by ATOS and the DWP, or another suicide and these so called ladies and gentleman who run our Country sit back and do absolutely nothing, these criminals who spout about justice and we are all in it together make me sick to the stomach.
    Could you copy and paste this story in the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org people would like to hear it, perhaps suggest something even.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 19, 2012 @ 3:56 pm

  580. I really don.t know how to copy and paste?I,m not that great with computers ,only know the basics., Please can someone give me an answer to this one…..would it be possible for the police to investigate the Government? Atos/DWP/? Surely it cant be that thousands of innocent people are dying due to mental cruelty.,neglect.hunger.The only crime being that they were disabled.unwell. I was always under the impression that its against the laws of this country to kill someone,and yet its happening on a grand scale…Seriously,would the police be interested..? This Governmentis responsible for 6.000 deaths and rising,whether it be directly or indirectly…its a crime….so why is it not being investigated?????

    Comment by Anna — August 19, 2012 @ 10:51 pm

  581. They have the power, they can do what they want. Those at the top are sick people. Thats modern day and i hate it. I hate it all.

    Comment by Tyson — August 19, 2012 @ 11:31 pm

  582. It’s not being investigated because the Government are the police and the police are the Government. The police do what the Government say because they are two cheeks of the same bum..!!

    If you want to know how to copy and paste then here’s how : Highlight everything that you want to copy, then right click and a drop down box will appear, just click where it says copy.
    Then go to the page you want to past it on too, and then right click and you will see paste on there on the drop down box, just click where it says paste and everything you have copied will appear there on that page.

    You will never ever learn if you don’t have a go and try it, if you decide it is going to beat you then you will live the rest of your life ducking and diving and known as the person that can’t copy and paste.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 20, 2012 @ 12:00 am

  583. I haven’t been on here for a while as I have been dealing withe aftermath of having my ESA cut,but today I received a letter from the DWP. They have reversed their original decision and have now agreed to pay my ESA and put me in the support group. It is s good day but if it wasn’t for this website I would most likely have accepted their decision and would have been forced back into the workplace. Words fail me as to describe how this outrageous event in my life has affected me and up to now the callous way that the DWP is treating people who are sick and disabled. All I can say is that anyone that is being dragged through this nightmare then my advice would be: Appeal! Appeal! Appeal! A very big thank you to all the people who gave their advice and support. :-)

    Comment by Steve — August 20, 2012 @ 12:09 pm

  584. Thank you for the copy & paste lesson.I will certainly give it a try…The police/Government….What if every single disabled person going through the Nazi like experiment ‘medicals’sent in written complaints to the police and all the friends & relatives of all the disabled/ill people that have died since these ‘medicals’ first started…Why don,t the very same friends or for more impact the relatives of those who died take legal action against the Government for the mass loss of lives with maybe help from the court of human rights .They,d probably ignore one or two but 6,000 ??? I don,t think so….

    Comment by Anna — August 20, 2012 @ 12:53 pm

  585. Hello Anna.

    There’s already a website devoted to the ATOS/DWP inspired suicides, run by an ex police officer.
    Google in ‘Calums list’ and have a look.
    The various members of the Government involved in these deaths have been informed that they are going to be held responsible in the future.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 20, 2012 @ 1:44 pm

  586. Hi Steve.

    It’s not the end either Steve, it’s only temporary and they will be back one day, so get to know your rights http://www.dwpexamination.org and be prepared..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 20, 2012 @ 1:46 pm

  587. Thank you for your reply,you say inspired suicides…does this also include the various deaths from illness and disability having been made even worse by constant intimidation /mental cruelty by the Government and their hench men..and why do we have to wait for action in the future…If someone bumped off Cameron and co,The police would s–t themselves and fall over in it to get the persons responsible…So I don,t see the difference.?

    Comment by Anna — August 20, 2012 @ 7:12 pm

  588. I suppose it takes time Anna before people get the message, nothing is done overnight.

    Here’s a petition (Below) just started ”Stop the welfare reform death scandal”, hope you and anyone else who reads this can also sign http://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/stop-the-welfare-reform-death-scandal-3?time=1345473113

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 20, 2012 @ 8:21 pm

  589. My results for. My appeal about incapcity

    Comment by sarah ujka — August 26, 2012 @ 12:54 pm

  590. Was due a payment today, been starving for 3 days living off the crap in the freezer that i usually never eat, used all my tins of beans, alls thats in the cupboard is a tin of tuna. Payment not recieved, I sent the sick note on the 23rd 1st class recorded, I phoned them up today to enquire where my money was, the horrid boot on the phone was rancid, very nasty, told me they havent got my sick note, go get a crisis loan and literally cut me off. I checked my tracking no, and Royal Mail (The Queen herself) says it was delivered to on the 25th, so I call back, some nice lady filled in some sort of form for me and told me they will call back later on today, I hope they do because i really cant wait to buy food and pay my bills. This is the 2nd time they seem to have lost a recorded letter, I just hope they find it, I feel angry, not over the food or not having money but the way that woman spoke to me on the phone, Its a disgrace. Im having thoughts of self harming but im thinking, why should I, WHY ?

    Comment by Tyson — August 28, 2012 @ 8:50 am

  591. Hello Tyson.

    That’s right…why should you, why should you harm yourself because of what some inadequate who you do not even know or are likely to know said to you in a phone call.
    By the way they always say they lost sicklines, I’ve had that nonsense twice, the only way out that I can see is to hope they send your money on to your bank as soon as, if they don’t then the crisis loan scheme maybe the only option until it’s sorted.

    The lesson here and is a lesson I learned a long time ago is never rely on the DWPs word for anything, keep some money put by, because sure is eggs is eggs if they say your money will be there it wont be..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 28, 2012 @ 10:41 am

  592. Hi there DWP, thanks for the reply. I got the phonecall an hour or so ago and the guy was really polite, he told me that they have paid my money into my bank, even though they havent yet come across or processed my sicknote. I have checked online and it is in fact there.

    I can only assume they are all still drunk from the bank Holiday and my sicknote is underneath a pile of letters somewhere.

    My appeal is next month so hopefully all this sicknote rigmerole will come to an end one way or another.

    Anyway off to get some food for me and my dogs now. Thanks again.

    Comment by Tyson — August 28, 2012 @ 1:06 pm

  593. Incompetent morons, they lost 3 of my medical certificates even though they were sent by recorded delivery mail, all sick notes were signed for at the other end, BIRMINGHAM OFFICE, i think we should name and shame the offices now.
    I had to pay for a replacement sick note on the last occasion, so my GP rubbed his hands as well.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — August 28, 2012 @ 1:54 pm

  594. hi i would just like to know if its right i can recieve £71 while i’m waiting for my appeal i knew nothing of this until a phone call from the dwp asking me to get a sick note i told them i had sent in my form to appeal she said yes they had recieved it because i sent it recorded delivery she then went on to say that the form covered me for the first 2 weeks going back to june but i needed to get a not backdated from july which im doing tomorrrow i explained that the last time i appealed i was not allowed anything till i won or lost i won 2 appeals before the last one was a few years back i have to ring them when i get my doctors note and they will make me a appoinment at my local office so that office can fax my note through when i sent in my appeals form i also sent in a letter by myself and one from my doctor is this the right thing to do ?we went to the local c.a.b office for some help and information but because my husband earns just over £1.100 pounds per month they couldn’t help us we are a family of five and we have all the house hold bills etc but they just said post a doctors letter off with your form

    Comment by kay — August 28, 2012 @ 4:56 pm

  595. Hello Kay.

    You wont get paid anything until they see a sickline, so they need the notification you are appealing – which you have done – and they need the sickline as well, apparently that’s the law.

    Comment by dwpexamination — August 28, 2012 @ 8:23 pm

  596. HI all, I have just received notification from the appeal that I put in a year ago. They have turned me down because I only have 6 points for mobility and granted me nil points for my mental health score. I suffer with two slipped discs which have never got any better, I get permanent sciatica and have arthriitis in my knees. I am in constant pain. Also two years ago my partner committed suicide. I have always suffered with depresssion but this tipped me over and I started having panic attacks, nightmares and flashbacks to his awful death. (I found him hanging) ATOS gave me no points for mental health even though my doctors backed me. I also see a specialist for my back with a view to having an operation. I cant go on like this, I can see how people commit suicide after dealing with ATOS, they made me feel worthless and like a benefit scrounger. Up until I injured my back I always worked and have (and still am) brought up two children single-handed.
    I got myself in a right state over the appeal and suffered a massive panic attack the day I was due to appear in court. I hardly leave the house, cant travel well because of the pain and cant handle crowds. I cant do shopping or even keep on top of the housework but they have declared me fit for work!! Can anyone point me in the right direction of what to do next?
    Many Thanks

    Comment by Denise — September 5, 2012 @ 3:09 pm

  597. Hello Denise.

    Some questions to ask first : Where you represented at the tribunal ?, was it a paper tribunal or did you manage to get there ?.
    How long ago was it when the DWP said you were fit for work ?. Was it over six months ago ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 5, 2012 @ 5:56 pm

  598. Hi, and thanks for the early reply….I didnt manage to get there, it was held in another town and I couldnt face the travelling or any of it really, I went to pieces! So I wasnt represented either, I dont have a lot of support to be honest, apart from the doctors backing me. They said I was fit for work July 2011 and the appeal was heard 3rd Sep 2012. I have been really struggling on reduced benefits for the last year. Thanks again

    Comment by Denise — September 5, 2012 @ 6:17 pm

  599. Hello Denise.

    So I take it you have been signing on for Job seekers allowance then ? if you want you can re-apply for ESA again, there are two conditions though, the first condition is six months have had to have passed from the day the DWP informed you that you were not entitled to ESA before you can re-apply, and also there has to be a new health condition or a worsening of your present condition.
    I believe you easily meet the first condition because it was nearly a year ago, so the second condition ? has your health worsened ? if you re-apply they will ask you.

    One reason why you lost the appeal was because the hearing became a paper hearing, paper hearings are notorious for losing, better to make an attempt to go there and answer the questions face to face, the chances of winning are much better.
    Please sign in here to the forum, you can get lots of help there, now, and in the future, just think up a username and log in. http://www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 5, 2012 @ 6:49 pm

  600. No, not getting JSA, was on a reduced rate of ESA, was originally getting the lower rate of DLA as well but after the ATOS medical they stopped it based on ATOS’ report. I got the letter this morning to say I have lost the appeal. I expect to get a letter tomorrow to tell me my ESA has ended and to claim JSA but how can I do that when I wont be available for work? I have been sending in sick notes for the last year and found myself a part time job online (7 hrs per week) I went to my docs and asked if this would be advisable and he said Id rather you didnt work at all but I had to feed the family so I took it. I reported it straight away to the DWP and they “permitted” me to work these hours and still get my ESA.

    The thing that gets me is I originally went to the job centre to ask for help to get on a computer course. They informed me I was far too sick and should be on sickness benefit! I am now far worse than I was then and they have done a complete turn around !!

    Thanks for your help, reading this has made me realise there are a lot of us out there! And I will join the forum, thanks.

    Comment by Denise — September 5, 2012 @ 7:18 pm

  601. Well i think by this person taken a 7hour a week job just goes to show that this person IS FIT enough to work!!!
    Sorry but ive read the comments and if this person WAS as sick as she claims to be even working 7hours a week would be out of the question!!!
    Sorry it pains me to say ATOS maybe were right this time ?

    Comment by JEAN BAKER — September 5, 2012 @ 8:54 pm

  602. Well Jean, maybe 7 hours a week is the absolute maximum Denise can work, after all she is not doing it on the sly, she has been honest with the DWP and they have allowed it, in fact I think you will find (Read above) that the DWP have tried to dissuade her, but still she tries to do the right thing and make an effort, who are we to judge others ?.

    If 7 hours a week really is the maximum she can work from home the it’s obvious that on the contrary ATOS have been proved wrong yet again.

    JEAN…Let’s not fall in to the trap of Judging others, especially others we don’t even know, remember the saying ”JUDGE NOT LEAST YOU BE, ETC.”

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 6, 2012 @ 7:05 am

  603. Sorry just seems a silly thing to do WORK i this lady has that much wrong with her self?? as well falling into the trap that if she can even work 7 HOURS FROM HOME!!! atos will say if thats the case she is fit for work!!! Read this ladys comments and am sure others will be thinking the same thing!! HOWEVER I HAVE BEEN THE ONE THAT HAS MADE THE COMMENT!!

    Comment by JEAN BAKER — September 6, 2012 @ 12:21 pm

  604. Well she has to feed her family, I suppose it’s better than stealing, me ? if they take my money again and I’m starving then I would just steal, preferably from some big fat rich Tory swine to help shut his big fat face..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 6, 2012 @ 12:55 pm

  605. Hello everyone, Its always been the case that on certain benefits you were permitted to earn 15.00 per week anyway? As long as it did not go above that..,unless of course its changed? but i,ve not heard anything different…Its ironic though if it is the case because the benefits [who called it that, some twit i expect] are not enough to live on /survive on anyhow !! So by allowing someone to earn 15 quid its like they already know that…I admire the obviously unwell lady that does 7 hours ‘work’ ,At a time when she should be stress free and possibly resting [as anyone knows with a pain causing illness or depression ,energy is zapped] i hope that life improves for her soon,.I doubt its much of a wage but if it fills the cupboard for awhile ,well..that,s a good thing isn,t it…and it does not mean that she is fit for work?..It means she wants to keep herself and her family alive…

    Comment by Anna — September 7, 2012 @ 9:40 pm

  606. I could add my story here, but it going to be a lot more helpful to everyone here to hand out a film tip;
    Eat the rich, done by the Comic Strip go find it and enjoy!

    Comment by Pictsidhe — September 8, 2012 @ 10:14 pm

  607. Cheers for that and will do, actually I’ve heard of eat the rich before.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 9, 2012 @ 2:54 am

  608. Hi
    I go for my medical with atos this Friday 14th, I have neurofibromatosis segmented to right leg, have had 4 severe breaks with same leg, arthritis, Ostioporisis same leg, amputated toes, right leg 11/2 inches shorter, size 1 foot on rt leg and 5 on left, many operations to remove plexi form tumours etc, and a full knee replacement sept 2010, I have limited mobility, constant pain, and my outcome is I shall have to have an above the knee amputation as leg will not take much more, my gp and consultant are great have written good reports for me, also stating any extra unnecessary strain to leg will result in earlier amputation, also now at the grand Old age of 48 my back and left leg are beginning to suffer with the extra strain they have been put under since the age of 6, I already know that I shall lose my IB, I walk with 2 sticks all the time use a wheelchair and crutches, when I have to, but because I have use of my arms I know I will fail, I have spent the last few months completely stressed out as we are moving house as well, so that I have a downstairs toilet, and knowing that I will lose my money is a big thing for me, it is like a little wage to me so that I can contribute to life in some way to ease my husbands work load, he has also changed jobs so he can be with me during days, and my daughter takes over at night. I have lost all my independence which I cherished, I see my consultant tomorrow to discuss maybe having a brace to try to lengthen my time to keep my leg. I can only do more than 2 stairs on my bottom and all the time I am in constant fear of falling as each fall I’ve had as resulted in a break the last one in 2008 taking a year to heal, and causing me to travel down the aisle to marry my now husband in full pot and on crutches non weight baring quite a feat but worth it. I am not a grabber nor a lazy person or a liar etc etc, but boy have I felt like one these last few months while awaiting this execution, I shall go in feeling like i have done something wrong that i am a fraud that i am a scrounger when in reality i am a kind thoughtful person who sadly happens to be disabled and spends every day in pain, do they not realise I would give anything to be able to run walk, sit my grand children on my knee take them to the park, shop, clean and do my dream job and become a nurse, and just damn well be free of all this pain and not feel guilty for being born with a disability am so pleased to have found your site and read everything, I shall go in feeling like I’m not the only one in the world being made to feel a fraud a waster, thank you for all your write ups

    Comment by Mandy — September 10, 2012 @ 1:00 am

  609. Hello Mandy.

    The worst that can happen is you will win our appeal, by the way are you on Contributory or Income related ESA/IB ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 10, 2012 @ 4:29 am

  610. I’m sorry not sure what that means I have been on incapacity benefit for a while now, I really don’t know what form of IB it is how do I tell the difference sorry lol, maybe being a bit thick

    Comment by Anonymous — September 10, 2012 @ 9:11 am

  611. I am on esa work related. I was sent for a half hour interview to work links by the job center. Only when i got there it was a 2 hour induction for a 2 year 4 days a week collage program. I was told if i didnt do it money would stop. I had not taken my medication so i could attend this so called interview. I am on cytoxics and morphine. I tried to tell the man running it i was unwell and surely im in the wrong place. he was unhelpful and refused to listen that i ended up walking out crying.
    The lady in job center said i could appeal my esp which i have posted today but in the mean time i have to do this course or else :(
    I can barly spare a few hours a day where im not sick or sprawled out feeling dizzy and unwell. I dont know how in the hell i will manage these courses of 4 days a week 9-3pm.
    Jesus i have no cervix left suspected tumours on my pancreas, last week was in for scans on lymphnoids and also have crippling arthritus. Along with that i have a disabled autistic son to carefor. In between full time caring for a disabled child that i cant take there with me. my treatment schedule then the affects of medication. im guarenteed to loose my benefit as i cant do these hours they are asking. how long dose the appeals usally take?
    I can always take my disabled son with me, have the drips hanging out of me while i have my sick bucket at my feet… along with a nurse….. as thats what its going to require for me to attend this course.
    but health and safty i am not allowed to have any of this therefor simply cant go.
    i need to know how long it takes for them to stop my income and how long an appeal takes as i need a heads up for how long we are going hungry and homeless for
    many thanks

    Comment by jenny — September 10, 2012 @ 12:23 pm

  612. If you’ve been on IB for a while now then that sounds like income related IB, so they want to transfer you over to ESA, don’t worry about failing the assessment, just about everyone does, so just appeal and you will win.
    You can get help here http://www.dwpexamination.org and that’s help with everything, you can also get help from the CAB or the local welfare rights as well, so there’s nothing really to worry about, just a drop in income temporary then you will get it all back in time.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 10, 2012 @ 12:28 pm

  613. I have only ever been on esa but never had to do any of these couses i was always just a check on my health and that was it. I get dla too. but now the esa work related group means u have to do these collage things or work at local super market or loose ur benefit. I never got the diferance between these groups. work related, support..? I never took any notice as i have never been hit with an unrealistic ultamatum like this before.
    Im so worried as they expect me back next week to start this full time thing at the local collage which i know full well i cant do. I know appeal wont be back by next week so im flapping at how long it takes for them to take benefits away after i fail to comply to this rediculas request

    Comment by jenny — September 10, 2012 @ 12:35 pm

  614. Jenny…waiting for an appeal can be four months (In my latest case) or it can be nine months, it just depends, by the way you should be eligible for income while you wait for the appeal to be heard.
    Anyway, I don’t see why you have to attend this idiotic course, so you should take expert advice on this, contact the CAB or your local welfare rights office and get their opinion, they have experts there who can help you, don’t delay though, get on it as soon as possible and explain the situation to them..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 10, 2012 @ 12:40 pm

  615. Hi
    Thank you for your reply, I will put my feelings on my medical onto the site after Friday, must say I am dreading the whole thing, but feel a little better having read everything a lot of other people have been through and now know I’m not the only one totally stressed over the whole thing
    Kind regards

    Comment by Anonymous — September 11, 2012 @ 8:53 am

  616. It’s something we all have to do, the assessment itself is not an ordeal, they give the impression of being nice people when you are being assessed, but the truth is they have to fail you to get their bonus and keep their figures in line, everyone knows that, even the tribunals.
    So just go with the flow, and get it over with, and let’s see what happens.

    By the way,I’ve been for five fixed assessments in a row already, if I go there anymore, my shoes (Slip on shoes) will be walking in there themselves someday.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 11, 2012 @ 9:34 am

  617. Lol well at least we get to keep our sense of humour, I just can’t believe that the government think that this is a fantastic idea, how many poor people that are truly disabled and unable to work and not by choice are put through all this mindless crap… My vote will certainly never go with them, it stinks its ridiculous and as if disabled aren’t punished enough by being disabled, maybe our lovely PM should be strapped in a wheelchair or shoved on crutches only allowed to use one leg for 3 months see how they cope in a working environment. I thought government had lost the plot long ago now we all know they have. I did watch a bbc panorama programme a few weeks ago showing hidden cameras etc and that made me realise that we’re all doomed lol. The thing is like many more people that really do have a life long disability i would rather be able bodied and working for a living, and running around with my grandchildren, than stuck in constant pain, relying more and more on my family to cover everyday tasks for me, would any of our mp’s swap places with me I think not. Well all I can do is as you suggest, fed up of losing sleep over it thinking I’m gona be forced into something that will put me into a wheelchair permanently before my time.
    What your doing on here is a fantastic job in helping people understand the system and get through it.
    Thanks again

    Comment by Anonymous — September 11, 2012 @ 2:22 pm

  618. You are not going to believe this one, my Brother in law has been called to go for an ATOSSERS medical next week.18th September, he has not even received a health questionnaire to fill in, so only GOD KNOWS what they are going to base his medical problems on? possibly a questionnaire based on a medical he went for 3 years ago?
    I have told my Sister to ring atos and get the appointment cancelled, and explain what has happened straight away, but they are both seriously depressed and i cant see them doing anything because their motivation drive is zero at present.
    He has received no esa payments since March, they have been living on £75 a week that my sister has been earning from a 12 hour a week shop job she is doing, although very depressed she is not on esa, and manages to work a few hours a week, she sent her work wage slips to the DWP in support of my brother in law income based esa claim, even though they wee sent recorded delivery, the DWP have lost them.
    I am trying to motivate them both to take action, but my pleas are falling on death ears, i guess you can only take horses to water, i just feel so frustrated.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — September 11, 2012 @ 2:41 pm

  619. Mandy…Without a sense of humour you have nothing, may as well crawl away and die.
    Anyway with regard to roughing it, Iain Duncan Smith was invited to stay with a family on benefits as an experiment, just to see how he would cope if he was in that situation……………HE MADE AN EXCUSE TO STOP THE EXPERIMENT, THE BASTARD JUST COULDN’T HACK A WEEK.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 11, 2012 @ 3:17 pm

  620. Yes well trouble is the rest of us are in the real world, and the likes of them are in we don’t give a shit about the poor the needy the homeless the disabled they are in their own world of fat cigars 4**** hotels six houses a piece, private health care and a big fat disgustingly greedy pay cheque, why should they be bothered about the likes of people who need help, while they can merrily squander it all away on other countries and other things I would like to shout out but will hold my reserve at the moment lol

    Comment by Anonymous — September 11, 2012 @ 3:28 pm

  621. I do believe it, something strange is happening at ATOS/DWP at the moment with regard to these questionnaires, this has happened to others as well, one chap phoned the DWP and asked why he can be called for an assessment without filling in a ESA50 ? the answer from the DWP muppet was ”You don’t have to fill one in now, they can request you attend without filling one in” so as I said, it’s strange, and we need more information to figure out the motivation.

    There are other strange happenings as well, stuff like when you appeal they refuse to send a GL24 and also refuse to send a ESA85 assessment report, just a letter back from the decision maker saying we have acknowledged your appeal and you will be paid the assessment rate.

    They are also holding back certain information from the appeal panels to weaken your case, with the hope you lose the appeal etc. As I said before the DWP and ATOS are criminal organisations and the fact your Brother in law has lost motivation is understandable but fallacious, he must find the energy from somewhere to fight them, if he doesn’t they will walk all over him and have no pity or sympathy.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 11, 2012 @ 3:39 pm

  622. Have tried the dwpexamination.org page, tried to register but it keeps saying internal error, do I have to be on a laptop etc to register on that forum could you tell me please

    Comment by Anonymous — September 11, 2012 @ 7:27 pm

  623. Hello Mandy.

    As long as your on the internet you can get on, what are you using a phone ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 11, 2012 @ 7:30 pm

  624. Hi
    No it’s an iPad, I can get on the main page but can’t register or click on to read anything at all

    Comment by Anonymous — September 11, 2012 @ 7:48 pm

  625. Should be no problem with an I pad, let me get on it and see what I can do, will get back to you on this..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 11, 2012 @ 8:07 pm

  626. You must have done something as it let me register now, think I’ve done it all correctly not 100% certain but will find out when I try to post something
    Many thanks

    Comment by Anonymous — September 11, 2012 @ 8:58 pm

  627. Yes I noticed you were in, just float around and get the feel of it..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 11, 2012 @ 9:03 pm

  628. Helpful information. Fortunate me I discovered your site accidentally, and I am surprised why this twist of fate didn’t came about earlier! I bookmarked it.

    Comment by the future of healthcare technology — September 12, 2012 @ 8:18 am

  629. Hello all, Could not sleep last night, In the early hours I watched the house of commons live….Duncan Smith seemed to spend the intervals trying to impress a blonde next to him..He actually reminded me of a boy at school that always smirked when serious issues were being discussed…But anyway….moving on…There was one very brave lady from labour that stood up and posed the question about the horrific fact that 6,000 disabled and ill people have died under the welfare reforms…Did this question get answered? NO….it was very carefully side stepped….it was,nt even denied….Back to Duncan Smith…smirk……God…I hope and pray it goes back on these soul less heartless excuse for humans….They disgust me….

    Comment by Anna — September 12, 2012 @ 6:46 pm

  630. If I ever meet Iain Duncan Smith, I’m going to give him a Glasgow kiss…on the bridge of his nose.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 12, 2012 @ 7:39 pm

  631. totally understandable….

    Comment by Anna — September 13, 2012 @ 9:24 pm

  632. Hi everybody, I have had my atos medical thing today, what a waste of time, I was asked how I think my disability affects my life etc, then asked for my daily routine starting with the evening, then asked to be examined, the examiner politely told me getting up on to the couch would be to dangerous for me and let me stay in seat, after seeing how much arm movement I have which is full arm movement, my daughter then rolled up my jeans, he took a quick look at my bit of leg on show, complete with scars, said he can see how much leg is wasted and no need for further examination. Then asked my daughter if she drove me there which she did. Interview over will hear as and when by post, thank you and goodbye. Very pleasant but obviously I expected that after reading on here, my daughter bless her was very hopeful, but I said I could be dying and they will still stop money and declare me fit for work, anyhow will see what happens and report it on here, and in the mean time i shall keep reading with great interest and disbelief all that is put on these sites about this bloody rubbish we have to go through to prove we have a disability, being born disabled obviously doesn’t mean a thing and we are expected to maybe have the hand of god touch us and miraculously cure us of something that there is no cure for!!!!!!!! I WISH….

    Comment by Anonymous — September 14, 2012 @ 7:18 pm

  633. Hello Anonymous.

    No matter what happens we always live in hope, it’s a human characteristic, so let’s keep our fingers crossed for a result..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 14, 2012 @ 7:56 pm

  634. Sorry forgot to say its Mandy, I also should mention that the examiner was typing on his keyboard without looking at screen at a hundred miles an hour which makes me think that he wasn’t really typing at all just waiting for me to go and to just put a big fat zero against all the questions he asked me, has anybody else noticed that????

    Comment by Anonymous — September 14, 2012 @ 8:51 pm

  635. I had my WCA in May, 3 weeks later DWP Decision Maker phoned and said I had been awarded 6 points and couldnt understand why the score was so low after taking into account my past medical records and he called the next day to say they had found another 3 points for me (how very nice of him) but I needed 15 to qualify. Needless to say I am now awaiting an appeal date (10 months wait according to Tribunal service). My case is based on non-facts, blatant lies, misquotes and the fact I have been disabled since the 90′s. I have evidence to support my case but some of it is medical which is self conflicting to say the least (I cant put details here due to rare condition which will give any Atosser trained DWP rep the heads up) The lies in the so called medical report infuriated me that much I wanted to find and give the HCP a good slap in the face and I will if I get a chance regardless of the law, The lies have made me so ill that I’m now having panic attacks in my sleep. ATOSssers need to be held accountable for the way they operate but thanks to camoron they are safe for now. It will be close on 17 months from filling out the ESA50 to appeal date which indicates money is being wasted on appeals in between when the original descision if it had been carried out honestly would of saved £thousands. but crooked government and crooked assessors are costing far more than they ever hoped to save just to please the EUSSR fat cats. Rant Over good site btw and nice to know I’m not alone in the fight for honesty.

    Comment by Bill — September 17, 2012 @ 4:26 pm

  636. I have my tribunel date in less than a week and im wondering if they will ask to see my injuries due to self harming? Many thanks.

    Comment by Tyson — September 17, 2012 @ 6:35 pm

  637. Bill.

    It won’t be long before some people take it upon themselves to start handing out beatings, that’s old fashioned beatings where the client punches the HCP more times than the HCP punches the client…Well I’m not going to lose any sleep if the HCP is found fit for work..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 18, 2012 @ 1:21 am

  638. I would imagine so Tyson, they can ask to see but they are not allowed to examine..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 18, 2012 @ 1:23 am

  639. Atossers Leicester what a disgrace I just rang my sister her husband had an appointment today at 10am they had just parked the car driven by my sister. Their mobile telephone rang it was atos they had cancelled the medical because no hcp had turned up for work. Big deal they have offered to pay their traveling expenses. They called for him for a medical without him filling the Gestapo health questionnaire in. They would be basing their opinion on an assessment they did 4 years ago.he has received no money since April 2012 .

    Comment by Alison stevens — September 18, 2012 @ 9:09 am

  640. Hello Alison.

    This business about turning up and getting turned away is becoming very common lately, same with the no requirement to fill in a ESA50 questionnaire.
    I believe everyone who is expected to fill in a questionnaire is clued up now, everyone is or has realised that filling in the ESA/IB 50 questionnaire is so important that great attention to detail is employed, that doesn’t suit ATOS/DWP because people are not making the mistakes they used to make.
    I can’t understand why your sisters husband has received no money since April 2012, why did the money just stop ?. Was he on contributory ESA ? and the 365 days were expired ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 18, 2012 @ 10:44 am

  641. He was on income based jsa he became Ill changed it to ESA income based somehow they keep loosing sick notes my sister sent her wage slips for a 12 hour shop job she works at they lost them 3 times even though they were sent by recorded say after 5 months they are trying to sort it out . Then all of a sudden he got an appointment to go for atossers medical without ever being paid any money re his new claim they have been living on the 75 pound a week my sister has been earning . I have been trying to advise them but they are both seriously depressed that they won’t fight .

    Comment by Alison stevens — September 18, 2012 @ 11:09 am

  642. Alison, they need to fight, there’s no option, if they don’t then their lives will be a misery, it will never improve.
    Can they not seek advice from the CAB or the local welfare rights office ?. They are due money and these robbing bastards are just taking the piss.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 18, 2012 @ 2:40 pm

  643. I have my tribunal tomorrow andive just had a good read of all the papers i have, I have scanned over them before but decided to read them through in detail as my hearing is tomorrow. What a load of conjured up bullshit. One part that really pissed me off was this.

    Section 4: The facts of the case.

    On such a date Mr X attended for medical examination. The opinion of the healthcare professional in the report form (esa85) was that Mr Sykes did not meet any of the descriptors dealing with limited capability for work.

    Who is Mr Sykes? It isnt me….. My names not Sykes.

    The rest of the report refers to me but in the final opinion of the healthcare professional, Mr Sykes didnt meet the requirements.

    Have they looked at my report but gave me the decision of Mr Sykes ?

    Some of the wording in the report sounds pre meditated. As if it was written before i even stepped in the room.

    I have been and seen my GP today who has reffered me to the mental health team yet again as the idiots havent sent nothing back to him with regards to my initial assessment. I have self harmed over ten times in the past week my arm is red raw with burns and i dread tomorrow.

    Comment by Tyson — September 20, 2012 @ 3:43 pm

  644. Hell Tyson.

    Have you a representative to act on your behalf at the tribunal tomorrow ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 20, 2012 @ 4:04 pm

  645. No, my local CAB dont have enough funding to do this anymore, my representative has printed some info out to give to the tribunal on his behalf and also a doctors letter. The last tribunal i had was in 2004 and i was represented then and was succesfull, but they dont seem to do it anymore.

    Comment by Tyson — September 20, 2012 @ 4:12 pm

  646. Is that not you then Mr Sykes?
    If ATTOSSERS are anything like our Social Services Departments they may have sent you the results of somebody elses medical reports by mistake a regular occurrence of data protection breach.
    Possibly not but the incompetent idiots do everything wrong, nothing would surprise me.

    Comment by alisonsgypt — September 20, 2012 @ 4:42 pm

  647. Well I have yet to receive a letter saying they have received my appeal form yet. I posted it over 2 weeks ago… Hope they got it. Cos as of next week they expect me to take part in in 4 days a week course for 2 yrs which I’m supposed to start Thursday or I loose benefits… Just to add kick in pants hospital rang to say my liver is going down the pan now too :(. I’m scared as hell as I can’t receive treatment for my other illnesses as i have to go to course instead. I have 2 days a week in hospital so it’s eat and have roof over my head n my sons and let my body kill me off or get treatment and try to see my boy grow up but we loose benefits and end up starving on streets. What do I do? Die of failing organs and cancer or die with my boy of cold and hunger?? No one will listen at the job center they just say fill in appeal. I’m terrified

    Comment by Jenny — September 20, 2012 @ 6:57 pm

  648. Hello Tyson.

    You can ask for the decision to find you fit for work to be set aside, the papers do not relate to you, even if the panel have the correct submission papers, the ones you have aren’t yours.
    So the panel have two choices, they can set the decision aside and allow you ESA or postpone the appeal to a later date and request the correct appeal papers from the DWP.
    If the panel make the mistake of carrying on the appeal with the wrong name (Which they will not do) then an adverse decision against you can be counteracted with an appeal to the second tier (Which you will win) on a point of law.
    What does it say on the reps letter ? you really shouldn’t have waited this long before saying something to the CAB.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 20, 2012 @ 10:32 pm

  649. Hello DWP, thanks for your help.

    The letter from my advisor says due to funding restrictions and increased demand on our resources we are unable to be present at the appeal. Copy of the medical report from my GP which states i suffer schronic depression and frequently self harm, my refferal to the acute care team, info of my medication and the descriptors on which he believes i should score the required amount of points.

    Obviously he hasnt noticed the incorrect name on the statement of facts, I should have phoned him today only i didnt know it would have any bearing.

    All the papers refer to me, they are basically copies of one another all saying the same thing about 5 times over, that i can do this and i have no problem doing that etc.. The only one that refers to a “Mr Sykes” is the statements of facts (facts of the case)

    Having looked at them again just now it is actually the reconsideration papers from April this year that refer to Sykes from the secretary of state, not the initial ESA medical report which was last November.

    My appeal is tomorrow afternoon so i’ll have a bit of time in the morning to contact my rep if needed.. ?

    Thanks alot for your help DWP. T

    Comment by Tyson — September 20, 2012 @ 11:25 pm

  650. Hello Tyson.

    You should seek your reps advice as quickly as you can, ask what you can do at the appeal, these appeal panels are fussy about the correct dates, names and other details, and there’s a number of reasons why. First of all, justice has to be seen to be done, and seen to be done to satisfy all sides. It’s possible that when the decision maker reconsidered your appeal he/she believed you were someone else, after all what’s Mr Sykes got to do with you.
    Let’s look at it this way, suppose you win the appeal, the DWP could appeal in turn against the panels decision to find you unfit for work, they could reason that you are not Mr Sykes, or come up with some regulation or rule from out of nowhere, and you have to go through all that rigmarole again, better to get the correct advice before you get there, the rules and regs are complicated, and what we think might not be important can be very important.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 21, 2012 @ 6:21 am

  651. Yes, I suppose if i dont highlight it, the DWP will.

    Just phoned my case worker.. Hes on holiday.. Im waiting on a call from another caseworker to advise me further.

    Thanks. T.

    Comment by Tyson — September 21, 2012 @ 8:27 am

  652. Colleague of my rep has told me that its pretty much a typo and will be disregarded, as long as the papers are about you and refer to you then it wont hold much ground. Dreading this appeal, especially having to explain away the crap the ATOS woman wrote in the initial assesment. I dont think i’ll be able to do it. Very nervous. :(

    Comment by Tyson — September 21, 2012 @ 10:56 am

  653. Hi DWP, They gave me the decision, WRA component on reg 29 of the ESA regs 2008. They interrogated me until i broke down in tears then they gave me the decision. It wasnt nice whatsoever. I was forced to open up to them and it was very hard but i managed it and they awarded me it. The doctor was a bastard. Just like to say big thanks for your help and good luck to anyone out there who is going through this. DONT GIVE UP.

    I’ll probably be back here sooner rather than later. Kind regards. Tyson.

    Comment by Tyson — September 22, 2012 @ 3:29 pm

  654. Hi Tyson.

    Good result, special circumstances 29 (2)(b), don’t forget that ATOS will be back as soon as…Good luck.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 22, 2012 @ 5:48 pm

  655. I have been told on the phone ,as they told me if no mail by today ,phone up ,I did and was told my benifits have been stopped ,will get a letter to confirm .I am in a mess I was examined by a doc from the atos and my wife is in a mess too ,we are totally reliant on the help ,the car is my link to the outside world ,what is the next move ,could,nt sday but it is not good .

    Comment by Anonymous — September 25, 2012 @ 6:14 pm

  656. Hi Anonymous.

    Start immediately, compose a letter indicating you wish to appeal against their decision to find you fit for work, and in order for you to do so, please forward a GL24 appeal form as well as the ESA85 assessment report.

    Also mention on there that you would like to be paid the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard, and since I’m appealing you understand that a sickline has to be supplied to their office, please find one sicknote attached to this letter etc.
    Wait until you get their notification letter first, and meanwhile while you wait contact your GP and get that sicknote ready.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 25, 2012 @ 7:04 pm

  657. I have been told I am not gonna be entitled to esa after only receiving 12 out of 15 points at my assessment. I suffer severe anxiety and depression. I’ve put in a appeal as the healthcare professional said that I can go out on my own when clearly stated my partner comes everywhere with me. I wear a hearing aid after surgery and she said I could hear in a quiet room perfectly. how obvious wen ur trying very hard to concentrate in a interview. I’ve filled out a appeal form but I didn’t write on it asking for them to keep paying me. I didn’t know until I read on these forums I had to do this. I’m very worried my housing benefits and council tax will stop and I’ve got two small kids (5+3) to consider. I’m worried to death it’s making me literally feel sick. x

    Comment by carmen — September 29, 2012 @ 9:08 am

  658. Hell Carmen.

    Unfortunately if you wear a hearing aid then there is no points for that, without a hearing aid ironically enough it may be possible to get points.

    But you could get points for not being able to go out on your own, if you have proof in the form of a medical report or letter from your GP then that along with your own words can sway the tribunal in your favour.

    So write the DWP a letter, say on there that you wish to be paid the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard, also supply them with a sickline dated from the exact date the DWP decision maker informed you that you were fit for work.
    Don’t worry about the housing benefit, it will sort itself out naturally through time, if they give you hassle then explain to them what’s happening with regard to the appeal etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 29, 2012 @ 4:14 pm

  659. I sent the form off in haste without a sidenote or asking for payment cos I was so scared and panicked..I strongly disagreed with the report as the hp stated I was fit for work cos I could answer the phone abduct turn on a computer. I do this in my house as I have a fear of going out alone n panic attacks. I’m getting more depressed by the day.

    Comment by Carmen — September 30, 2012 @ 8:57 pm

  660. There’s nothing to stop you writing out that letter, it needn’t be long, just a short note asking the DWP to pay you the assessment rate while you wait for the appeal to be heard. That takes care of your rent rebate and council tax rebate as well as giving you some money to live on.
    If you don’t ask then you don’t get, unfortunately that’s the way the DWP are working these days, you have to fight for everything, they don’t hand anything on a plate.

    Comment by dwpexamination — September 30, 2012 @ 10:44 pm

  661. I’ve rang the doctors today to ask for a sick note and a letter and the response I got was” in my experience, letters off us doctors make no difference. Wtf is going on!!!! How am I gonna win this appeal with no back up.. what’s the point. Devastated is an understatement. X

    Comment by Carmen — October 1, 2012 @ 6:41 pm

  662. Thank u for listening to me drone on. Very sorry x

    Comment by Carmen — October 1, 2012 @ 6:44 pm

  663. Hello Carmen.

    Have you considered looking up the phone book for a legal (Services) advisor who specialises on benefits ? if you can get one then you explain the situation, tell them you need a medical report from your GP, they will ask you in to see them for an interview, the purpose of the interview is to ascertain whether you are entitled to legal aid.
    If you are indeed entitled to legal aid then they will send a letter to your GP and ask for a medical report, your GP will agree because he/she will be entitled to claim a fee from the legal services.
    What happens next is you will get a call from your GP for an appointment for a full examination, sometimes they don’t call you but send a report without the need to see you, a report will be written and sent to the legal services and a fee demand, legal services will send you a copy of the report and you can use the report at an appeal hearing, meanwhile legal services charge the legal aid board for their fee, the GPs fee etc.
    It doesn’t matter if you have no written support from your GP if you attend an ATOS assessment because as your GP said ATOS don’t look at them anyway, but you will need one for the appeal hearing.

    So grab that book, or better still look up the internet for legal services (They go by different names) and call them and explain the situation, if they can’t help then they sometimes give you the heads up to another company who does that kind of work.

    So stop being depressed, it’s amazing what you can achieve if you try.

    When you get the report in the future then let us know.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 1, 2012 @ 7:58 pm

  664. My friend is due her appeal hearing on friday after waiting just over 6 mths, however she has still been sending in the sick notes from her GP and last week was given a 8 week sick note that she sent off to DWP , her question is this!!! if she loses the appeal will her sick note still cover her and will it still mean that shes still going to get her Esa paid to her or will she have to make a new claim?? thanks for any advice ……. jane

    Comment by JEAN BAKER — October 2, 2012 @ 3:33 pm

  665. Hello Jean.

    If your friend loses her appeal on Friday, what will happen is this, within a week of the appeal date the DWP will send her the bad news and inform her that she is no longer entitled to ESA AND ALL BENEFITS WILL STOP.
    So then what can she do ?, well she can re-apply for ESA as long as at least six months have passed since the decision maker informed her she was work fit, and as long as she has a worsening of her condition or a new health condition she can then re-apply.
    There seems to be some confusion at the DWP on whether an existing sickline is still eligible or not, in theory it shouldn’t be eligible because remember the tribunal would have declared her fit for work on that date, that’s why her benefits have stopped, but the DWP don’t always insist on a new line, sometimes they do and sometimes they don’t, just depends on the whim of the decision maker that day I suppose.

    So then just re-apply, state a worsening or new health condition and if they want a sickline then they will soon send a letter demanding one. Then you can see the GP and explain that even though you have a sickline still live, the DWP are insisting they want a new one.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 2, 2012 @ 5:00 pm

  666. If your appeal is dismissed by a tribunal because they have only scored you 12 points and you have to claim JSA as they see you fit to work….If your doctor is still in agreement with your condition and continues to see you unfit for work then surely claiming JSA would be fraudulent.

    Comment by Ms.R — October 6, 2012 @ 2:49 pm

  667. Hello MS.R

    Well you would think so, but the DWP are so desperate to improve the sickness benefit figures they will take anyone now of the sick and on to Job seekers, anyone but the obviously dying, who just get told to re-apply for ESA, the little matter of fraud is overlooked.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 6, 2012 @ 3:05 pm

  668. Declaration condition of an ESA claim from is I understand that if i knowingly give information that is incorrect or incomplete,i may be liable to prosecution or other action…I am assuming that a similar condition is present on a JSA claim form…It is very contradictory.

    Comment by Ms.R — October 6, 2012 @ 3:51 pm

  669. The condition only applies to us (When it suits them) but never applies to them. So you can see it for what it all is, a farce.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 6, 2012 @ 4:22 pm

  670. hi. I went to my doc and explained about the appeal…she wrote me a sick note for a further six months due to my anxiety and depression. she couldn’t believe I only got 12 out of 15 points….I’m on the waiting list for more therepy too. I sent it off with a letter still asking to be paid like u recommended….now it’s just the waiting game. thanks for all ur help in my matter and fingers crossed. x

    Comment by Carmen — October 7, 2012 @ 6:44 am

  671. It usually takes around six to nine months for an appeal to be heard anyway Carmen, so if your not given a date by the tribunal service when your six months line is up then just see the Doc and get another one, just be careful you watch the date your sickline expires, the DWP sometimes don’t send a reminder (deliberately) hoping you overshoot your expiration date, they do this sometimes for a couple of reasons, the first reason is they hope you forget and they can deduct a couple of days from your assessment rate or better still you just completely forget to ask your Doctor altogether (Easily happens) and they can send a cruel letter saying ”You didn’t renew your sickline when it expired, therefore in order for you to receive money you can sign on etc, we enclose your P45 just show it to the reception at your local Job centre plus.

    It doesn’t say that exactly, but you get my drift ?. So check the dates, count six months and then see your Doctor and ask when the last line expired etc, get a line that follows to the day, and don’t let the DWP swindle you for even a single day.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 7, 2012 @ 9:27 am

  672. Good news………… recieved my letter from appeal today and WON!!!!!
    I think my honesty won it over for me, and the fact i worked before falling sick helped also………. The extra money they now owe me will be put into good use also …………… new winter boots and warm coat for when i return to WORK………. yes DWP their are people on this site who when fit enough return to work!!!
    ATOS will be reeling now knowing us under dogs are winning appeals lol lol …………. good luck people ………………. jean

    Comment by JEAN BAKER — October 9, 2012 @ 10:19 am

  673. One question i have forgot to ask however….. do i still have to send in sick notes or not….. thanks.

    Comment by JEAN BAKER — October 9, 2012 @ 1:35 pm

  674. Congratulations Jean on winning the appeal, no you no longer need to supply the DWP with sick notes.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 9, 2012 @ 3:31 pm

  675. Hello. Just me again. Been nearly two weeks since I sent off appeal form plus also sent in a six month sick note with attached letter asking to still be paid. I have not heard a thing back!!!!! To top it off I received a letter off council today saying they are suspending hb and ct….as far they know my incapacity benefit stops next week. Do I go to council and explain im appealing but I have no proof. My head is spinning as I’m so worried bout feeding my kids and keeping a roof over their heads. My depression is at a all time low. I can’t pull myself together as its one thing after another…I don’t know wot is supposed to happen next. X

    Comment by Carmen — October 13, 2012 @ 6:26 pm

  676. Hello Carmen.

    Yes you just inform the council you are appealing, the DWP will tell them nothing except you no longer receive benefits etc, they probably did this before you even appealed.
    Don’t forget to send a letter or contact the DWP and explain you are appealing and sent in a six month sickline, you need to keep on at them until you get confirmation your appeal has been received and you are on the assessment rate.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 14, 2012 @ 7:35 am

  677. I feel that this will fail big time, making more people suffer. My mum is ill she suffers from very bad Osteoarthritis in her legs and hips and degenerative lumbar spinal discs, she also suffers with depression and panic attacks, she in constant chronic pain due to having both illnesses together, she cannot walk much and not unaided but when she does walk she is very slow and stops many times due the the pain and discomfort, she cannot stand unaided and for long as the pain is bad and she is weak on her legs, she has problems sitting, when she does finally manage to sit its not long before she is in so much pain, she cannot bend, dress or have a bath on her own as she cannnot do it etc.. she struggles day to day, Her Dr and Hospital consultant have both said that there is no cure and she will not get rid of these illness and they will get worse, she use to work but due to her illnesses/disabilties she cannot anymore and that was said by her GP and Hospital Consultant. She had a work assessment for ESA and got told she fit for work, even though she could not do the things they asked her, she screamed in pain, the assesor must of been blind, she help hold my mum, but the report was so made up and so many lies and conradictions it was unbelieveable, she appealed, she got her hearing in novemeber, hopefully they will be more understanding and more aware of the illnesses and look at the evidance and facts, genuine ill and disabled people and being targeted in a big way.its NOT FAIR OR RIGHT to put genuine ill/disabled people who cannot work and need help through this, this country is becoming a ruin country, i agree that all the fakers and fraudsters claiming benefits just for the sake of it such be stripped of them etc… but its not happening that way

    Comment by ang — October 17, 2012 @ 3:15 pm

  678. Sorry, pressed send before i finished. Im just Worried about the appeal, a few people have mentioned that they have lost their appeal, people have said to my mum dont worry you be ok but thats what they said before she went for the assesment and look what happened, we got help/representation from CBA and we are going for an oral hearing, just worried in case she loses her appeal and be force to work which she cannot and lose her support?

    Comment by ang — October 17, 2012 @ 3:20 pm

  679. stupid me did it again, lol :-D anyone who suffers with the same as my mum or know someone who does and been through this and the appeal, got any adivce or can tell me about their experiance, thank you

    Comment by ang — October 17, 2012 @ 3:23 pm

  680. I have arthritis and did the same medical few yrs ago. I was put on ESA work related groupe which they expect you to either work in supermarket for free or attend collage 5 days a week. Which as you will know is also a problem. I’m told if I do not take part I loose my benefits. They don’t get that if one is fit enough to work full time they sure as well won’t want to do it for free and get a benefit of £71 a week. If I was we’ll enough I would be doing it for a full wage. I’m now appealing to get put into support group as since my initial medical I have since had cancer and my liver is now failing. I receive Dla which means I automatically qualify for basic ESA with no medicals. But I’m stuck in the second stage of fighting to keep benefits as I can do 5 days a week as I’m in hospital 2 days a week and recovery lasts a further 3 days.
    So even if u win ESA you still have a long way to go as they expect you to still preform the impossible or you loose everything.

    Comment by Jenny — October 17, 2012 @ 5:35 pm

  681. Hello ang.

    If she did unfortunately lose the appeal then she doesn’t have to sign on at the Job centre, she can re-apply for ESA again as long as six months have passed since she was found fit for work by the DWP decision maker, and as long as there’s a worsening of her condition or a new condition.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 17, 2012 @ 6:01 pm

  682. If you lose an ESA appeal and also lose the tribunal appeal against the first appeal and your condition has deteriorated even further which was confirmed verbally at the tribunal.I was advised that you can re-apply for ESA again straight away if it’s for a new condition….Is this not the case?

    Comment by Ms.R — October 18, 2012 @ 9:24 am

  683. Hello MsR.

    You can apply again for ESA as long as six months have passed since the date the DWP decision maker informed you that you were fit for work, provided you have a new health condition or a worsening of your present health condition.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 18, 2012 @ 1:39 pm

  684. Hi,
    Please could you give me some advice now…I have just received my papers today telling me I have been put into the wrag group, I immediately telephoned job centre and they are sending out my medical assessment report and also form for appealing. Please can you tell me what I have to do now, and if I appeal do they stop my wrap money etc, very confused with all the bumpf they have included in letter. There is no way I can attend work related interviews without taking somebody along with me, my disability and getting around worsens each week which I explained at medical, to no avail, anyway really need your advice now please I I want to do everything correctly so they cannot come down on me with some excuse
    Thank you

    Comment by Anonymous — October 19, 2012 @ 2:39 pm

  685. Hello Anonymous.

    When you appeal to get in to the support group they will not stop your money, they have already granted that you are entitled to the Work related group of ESA, they have conceded you have a health problem that precludes you from working and you need help to get back to work.

    You are saying you cannot work at all, that’s what the support group is supposed to mean, absolutely no chance of any kind of employment, and it’s difficult to get in to the support group of ESA, it really is.

    Before you appeal can I ask do you feel that there is no doubt in your mind that you will qualify for the support group ? you mentioned an assessment, can I ask if you were assessed as in attended an assessment at one of their centres or a home visit ? or did ATOS/DWP make the decision themselves to declare you unfit for work ?, and also can I ask if you are on contributory ESA ? or income related ESA ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 19, 2012 @ 4:01 pm

  686. Hi
    Ok first off I attended and Atos assessment at one of their centres with my daughter who drove me there, I am on contribution based ESA, the reasons why I feel or know that I cannot work at all, is that my disability stops me from walking any distance at all I have 2 walking sticks, crutches and a wheelchair, also because I have nf plexiform tumours in my leg…large one at back of thigh it stops me for sitting for very long on chairs etc I’m ok if I sit with my legs up I can jiffle to my hearts content, I have complete muscle wastage in right leg even the Atos examiner said that.. If I fall it results in severe break due to bone density etc, and have had 4 so far, completely putting me off my leg for up to 18 months also had complete knee replacement 2 years ago to help with pain and movement, hasn’t worked only worsened movement, but that was a risk my surgeon and I decided to take. I am under going treatment with my neuro surgeons as to try eliviate some pain for me. I am in constant pain on pregabalin for pain, have been disabled since the age of 6, age of 10 right leg an foot stopped growing so quite different in length etc, and in all honesty I cry myself to sleep at least 4 times a week because I just feel like breaking my leg off, as it aches so much, and the worse of it is my consultant and GP informed Atos on my medical report that any further deterioration etc will result in above the knee amputation, so sending me out to work will probably finish my leg off and I certainly do not want that I want to keep my leg as long as I can, my GP put it to them and me that I have the leg of a 70 year old and I am 48. So do I appeal or what do you suggest and if I don’t what happens after the 365 days are up etc, if I do anything out of the ordinary like go out for the day then that night and for a few days after I’m like a little old lady bent over double lol, and almost drag my leg around after me, I never used to class myself as disabled but for the past 4 years I certainly realise now that I am disabled and it only gets worse, I’m not lazy nor a scrounger, I would truly love to be fit again and work but I know working will bugger my leg up, HELP lol. Even my family can’t believe how bad things have changed for me over the last few years, and they would vouch for me as to how I never let it defeat me etc and would vouch for me now as to how bad things are, but they don’t count just my word which isn’t enough. Anyway honestly what do you think appreciate your advice etc on this matter

    Comment by Anonymous — October 19, 2012 @ 4:35 pm

  687. I’m appealing for support group I get income based ESA. I’m appealing as I have battled cancer, arthritis and now have auto immune disease where my own immune system is attacking my liver. My liver will not heal itself if its constant under attack and will eventually give up. So the end of the tunnel means unless I’m lucky enough to get a replacement which too will get attacked then… Well it’s game over. With it not functioning properly I suffer fatigue and the treatment to slow the attack cuts my immune system as a result a common cold can kill. They suggest u give up working when ur liver is shot. So in other words I’m a sitting duck till my time is up. I do feel that what ever time I have left I should be spending with my son who is 6 I’m only 29. I’m too ill and tired to jump through the hoops they demand of me on the work related group :(

    Comment by Jenny — October 19, 2012 @ 5:41 pm

  688. I’m so sorry that is incredibly sad, and to think I moan because I cant play with my grandchildren, at least I’ve had a life with my children, I know I shouldn’t moan and believe me I never used to but I’ve just got so tired of the constant pain and endless operations etc to try to help, but again at least I’m having some kind of life

    Comment by Anonymous — October 19, 2012 @ 6:10 pm

  689. Thankyou for your support. Just wish me luck with my appeal to be put in support group. I’m being forced to work either upto 40 hours in asda or 5 days a week full time in collage. They say if I don’t do either I will lose my benefits :( it’s madness I physically can’t do what they demanding. I should be allowed to rest and be with my boy. With out worrying that the time I have left my boy and I could end up on the streets :(

    Comment by Jenny — October 19, 2012 @ 6:25 pm

  690. Wish you all the luck in the world, and that just stinks, bloody hell is that what I’ll have to do, no way I can work at asda or attend college what on earth goes through their minds. Well good luck you deserve to go onto support 😊

    Comment by Anonymous — October 19, 2012 @ 6:41 pm

  691. Thankyou, yes you have to take part in some kind of work related activity. If u have a nice adviser at the job centre you may get away with a few hours in a cafe or something. I unfortunatly have just been given the adviser from hell who refuses to listen and is quite the bully :(
    I called the ESA to see how far my appeal has got the other day and apparently there is no record on my file of me making an appeal Arghhh
    I got a letter last month saying appeal was received and they will look at it so how come now there is no record of it?? I have mailed them a copy of there acknowledgement letter just to jog their memory. I do hope it hasn’t been lost and I have to start again. I don’t want to waste time fighting this. I’m scared to hell about what is going to happen to my boy when… I’m on my own who will take care of him? He has no one to take him on. I don’t need the extr stree and worry that I am being lumbered with. Worry I’m gonna lose my income, home :(
    It’s all to much I’m so close to a melt down. Believe me the physical pain I feel is nothing to the mental anguish I’m going through

    Comment by Jenny — October 19, 2012 @ 6:50 pm

  692. Hello Anonymous.

    You are on the WRAG contributory ESA, this means after the 365 day rule you will lose all sickness benefits and have to declare yourself fit for work and sign on.
    But you don’t need to do that because you have every right to appeal to get in the support group (The 365 day rule doesn’t apply in the support group of contributory ESA) and in my opinion you will win the appeal.
    On Monday send a letter to the DWP and ask for the GL24 appeal form because you do not agree with their decision to place you in the WRAG and therefore wish to appeal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 20, 2012 @ 8:37 am

  693. Ok thank you for that, I did telephone and ask them for an appeal form, but I shall also send my daughter to get one from local job centre Just incase they take an age sending one. I do have full support of my GP etc anyway and he said he will help me all the way. I think myself lucky for that. So I shall go ahead and appeal thank you very much for your help in this matter

    Comment by Anonymous — October 20, 2012 @ 4:39 pm

  694. Get in there Mandy, and don’t forget to request the ESA85 ATOS assessment report as well (In case you don’t have it), it will be a real eye opener.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 20, 2012 @ 8:39 pm

  695. Lol I certainly shall…I did request it and guy on phone said he will inform the office that deal with that to send it to me, I will keep on at them if I don’t receive it though..I’m guessing it will say I can climb mountains, drive buses, cook for a party of fifty whilst having a mop in one hand and a hoover in the other, and balancing laundry on my head!!!!!

    Comment by Anonymous — October 20, 2012 @ 8:56 pm

  696. If you were a head on a cushion, they would say you could work as a ball in a bowling alley..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 21, 2012 @ 4:36 am

  697. Lol very funny and probably true

    Comment by Anonymous — October 21, 2012 @ 7:57 pm

  698. Hello everyone.Just had a phone call from a woman from the DHSS or whatever they like to be called these days.She told me that my claim had failed and that as from November 19 my money would stop.I can appeal but if I want to be paid I need to get a sick note from my doctor,which is a new one on me.Obviously I’m going to appeal and drag it on as long as my sick note is valid and then maybe see what my next lot of hospital tests reveal and if this will persuade them that we are not scrounging layabouts.I am in the process of applying for carers allowance to help with my dementia afflicted mother but that money is deducted from her own benefits although she can claim some kind of top up but she loses some other benefit as she now lives with me however that is replaced with something else.I also lose something of a payment which the carers allowance is supposed to cover…………..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz It just goes on and on.I don’t understand how I’m supposed to work or which of the choice jobs to apply for…..so much choice.If I could take mum to work with me that could be an answer to a small part of the puzzle and then maybe she could help me stand for hours whilst doing the job be it sweeping,packing,delivering flyers,stacking shelves.Good fun on here eh??

    Comment by Michael — October 26, 2012 @ 11:08 am

  699. Hi Michael.

    Yes it would be fun, if it wasn’t so tragic, the scum from ATOS and the DWP are nothing but a band of criminals, they all know it’s a farce but walk around in their offices laughing and joking as if this is all normal and the way it’s supposed to be.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 26, 2012 @ 12:06 pm

  700. I just keep waiting in the hope of seeing a massive headline, something like….CAMERON,S NAZIS ARRESTED IN DAWN RAID FOLLOWING EVIDENCE GIVEN ON GENOCIDE OF A MASS SCALE!!! yes i know…All murdering rogues cover each others rotten backs ,But, you never know one of them might have a touch of Schlindler about them and hang the rest..While i love animals…If it were thousands of cats/dogs wiped out because of illness and/or disability. you know as well as I do..it would be on the front pages……

    Comment by Anna — October 31, 2012 @ 3:38 pm

  701. Hi everyone ive been to atos 4 times over the years and on the 3rd time they passed me 6 month later they send me back and they failed me ive never appealed before but im going to this time. the woman i saw looked down on me so much i hardly said a thing it was as if she made her decision as soon as she saw me i was wondering if anyone can help me with what it is id say and what evidence id put in the appeal letter would be appriciated thanks.

    Comment by Brian Meiers — October 31, 2012 @ 5:19 pm

  702. Brian.

    She didn’t fail you as soon as she saw you or even when you went in the room, she failed you before you even went in to the building.

    You can go all the way against these scumbags by thinking up a username and logging in here http://www.dwpexamination.org
    they will help you because they have been there, done it, wore the tee shirt, and wrote the book.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 31, 2012 @ 5:35 pm

  703. dwp.


    Comment by Brian — November 1, 2012 @ 10:14 am

  704. Hello again.
    Last week my ‘fail’ notice arrived and guess what,I kept a clean sheet.Not a single point did I score so I promptly called the number on the form and requested an appeal form…………..which hadn’t arrived this morning (well over a week) so I rang again and spoke to Karen who said she’d get a form in the post to me,I’ll not hold my breath.There is such an avalanche of paperwork dropping through my letterbox these days I’m finding it a bit difficult to keep up.3 or 4 lots of poll tax forms each contradicting the other and telling me I owe over a thousand pounds or there’s nothing to pay.If they don’t know what’s going on how are we supposed to fathom the thing out.I’m still wondering which benefits are going to be confiscated but employment support allowance is one of them although I’ve never heard of it before last week.Oh well hospital in a week for some tests so we’ll see how things go then.Strange how they didn’t even give me another week to have these tests before cutting me off.Oh well.


    Comment by Michael — November 7, 2012 @ 12:08 pm

  705. A guy got six points once and dropped dead with the stress, he couldn’t believe they actually seen their way and gave him six points.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 7, 2012 @ 1:44 pm

  706. I know that depression can get out of hand and can make people a little bit paranoid sometimes…..It does me, especially lately .I never used to feel that way it first came about in November last year, that,s when the briefed DWP nasties started to basically make my life a misery [and millions of others like me.] With numerous grey letters,cold blunt we don,t give a flying f— about you phone calls and so on….And there were times that I felt like topping myself..But then I came across this site and found some peace of mind, But the paranoia is still there ,And I have to question myself am I just mad….???? But then.,I had to call my gas supplier today , reason being I have a card meter and I just cant keep up with it, its bleeding me dry!! I asked them what the hells going on.The very nice man gently explained to me that he was sorry,and that they had been inundated with calls from people like me…I then said please I know its going to sound paranoid but it makes me wonder if this rotten government is just trying /hoping to kill more of us off…He said ok ,let me tell you I agree with you,we have lost a lot of customers lately…The call ended, but I was left thinking did he mean they.d lost customers because of Hypothermia? or to other suppliers? but it seems all suppliers have put their prices up?

    Comment by Anna — November 7, 2012 @ 10:52 pm

  707. God knows what he meant Anna, lost due to hypothermia probably, are they gonna care..?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 7, 2012 @ 11:47 pm

  708. Isn’t it just annoying when you see people like this, who actually believe that claptrap they are middle class.
    No you are not middle class, you have to work for a living that means you are working class.
    Cameron and his gang of criminals take a wage because their greed for money and power knows no bounds and they want too, not because they need too, middle class ? get real you idiot.


    Comment by dwpexamination — November 8, 2012 @ 7:14 am

  709. I had the misfortune to spend 12 plus hours in A&E over the weekend…Such a horrible experience, even though i was assessed as priority. .Having to hang around so long you start to take in all that goes on around you..Wish I could add something positive ,I see cleaners that went around objects like chairs instead of moving and cleaning under them.,nurses were few and far between.,people in distress asking for minor help like a pillow./water/ ignored..no compassion, Horrible aggressive loud mouth drunks . loads of foul mouthed no nothings on mobiles,yeah at the hospital innit!! ,I know i wasn.t the only one there that felt like it ,but i felt frightened…I didnt feel cared about at all.,After 7 hours i dared asked if I would be there for much longer,I got told that they couldnt say this was due to them having to deal with 6 overdoses,potential suicides,,I said how dreadful that is..the reply…yes it is we usually get 2 on average…straight away i felt empathy for these people….were they like i was last November? probably….if so I hope they get through it,,,find their strengths and fight this callous b—–d Government….

    Comment by Anna — November 13, 2012 @ 11:06 am

  710. Anna.

    The suicide and attempted suicide rate seems to be going up rapidly all over Britain, people just can’t take the stress of living in this Country anymore.
    Of course this criminal Government will cover it all up, and announce to the public that everything’s fine, the countries on the mend and there’s nothing to worry about.
    They will suck and bleed the Country dry then bugger of and leave the next lot to take over and deal with all the mess they leave behind.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 13, 2012 @ 12:12 pm

  711. Yes, Cameron has so much to cover up….re; emails between him and Brooks….nicely fades into the background while he makes massive false concern statements for victims of paedophiles !! And yet he is prepared to see millions of 18 to 24 year old,s on the streets in the near future . amongst predators.. Change of subject….I keep hearing that this Government, don,t know what they,ve doing.they don,t have a clue.they don,t know the cost of a loaf… Oh yes they do know what they,re doing…they know full well what they,re doing….And as for the cost of a loaf…they don,t give FLYING F—!! why should they!..if you,re not financially viable basically.the sooner you,re wiped out the better…closure of elderly care home,closure of hospitals,no care.neglect..,people being left without food and heating while benefits are processed…some waiting 6 weeks without benefits and the majority of these people have paid into this corrupt system all their lives….And with computers which have taken over the work of thousands and are supposed to be progress…meaning faster , more efficient,so why then does it take 6 weeks ….because that,s their orders…Christ.!! Hitler would have glowed with pride at these cruel individuals that is i,m sad to say our Government…

    Comment by Anna — November 13, 2012 @ 3:22 pm

  712. Hello again.
    Well now I have 3 appeal forms to go at.The first one didn’t arrive after the first week so I rang and asked for another.That didn’t arrive the next day so I called again for another and then all 3 dropped through my letterbox at once.I’m still debating with myself what to put in the tiny reasons box to accent my appeal and whether to send all 3 back by different means or not.Still have to go and visit (bother) the doctor for a sick note,I’m sure he has lots of other things to be doing but it looks like I might have to just go and waste some of his time this next week.I’m still really just winding up to full throttle as the absolute avalanche of paperwork coming to my house is overwhelming.Will keep reading with interest.

    Comment by Michael — November 14, 2012 @ 11:47 am

  713. Hello Michael.

    Don’t forget you can carry the appeal on as much as you like to A4 paper, the little box is only good for an introduction.
    Log in to our sister site http://www.dwpexamination.org and get help there as well..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 14, 2012 @ 1:39 pm

  714. Thanks for that,I’ll be filling out so much paper the sea levels will rise.I did think about cramming everything I needed to write in the small space they leave thus making it impossible to read.Childish I know but it amused me to think of them with a magnifying glass attempting to decypher it.

    Comment by Michael — November 15, 2012 @ 9:32 pm

  715. Michael.

    lol…I don’t think they would even notice, but just write back telling you that your appeal was carefully re-considered and sadly the original decision still stands..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 15, 2012 @ 9:54 pm

  716. Bugger !!!! Got my diagnosis yesterday,didn’t come as too much of a shock as I had started shaking uncontrollably some time ago and suspected it to be Parkinsons disease.Hit my girlie harder than me,she burst into tears in the waiting room.So now I have another thing to inform the DHSS about when I fill in the appeal form.My last payment is on Monday 19-11-2012 so I need to get my arse in gear.Bye for now.

    Comment by Michael — November 17, 2012 @ 10:54 am

  717. Hi

    just an update. back on 17 October i posted on here, this a recap “” ( My mum is ill she suffers from very bad Osteoarthritis in her legs and hips and degenerative lumbar spinal discs, she also suffers with depression and panic attacks, she in constant chronic pain due to having both illnesses together, she cannot walk much and not unaided but when she does walk she is very slow and stops many times due the the pain and discomfort, she cannot stand unaided and for long as the pain is bad and she is weak on her legs, she has problems sitting, when she does finally manage to sit its not long before she is in so much pain, she cannot bend, dress or have a bath on her own as she cannnot do it etc.. she struggles day to day, Her Dr and Hospital consultant have both said that there is no cure and she will not get rid of these illness and they will get worse, she use to work but due to her illnesses/disabilties she cannot anymore and that was said by her GP and Hospital Consultant. She had a work assessment for ESA and got told she fit for work, even though she could not do the things they asked her, she screamed in pain, the assesor must of been blind, she help hold my mum, but the report was so made up and so many lies and conradictions it was unbelieveable, she appealed, she got her hearing in novemeber, ))

    Well she had her appeal hearing on monday, it went well, she was awared enough points to pass the limited capabltiy for work and put in the support group. the appeal hearing was not a bad as we thought it be, they were friendly and listened and didnt judge, we were only in the actual hearing about just over 10 mintues, they said that they already sort of came to the decsion before hand just reading all the evidence and medical documentation that we and the CAB sent in and that they just wanted to clarify some things. so just to let people know not to give up.

    can anyone tell me how long have they waited for their money to go back up to what it should of been and for the back pay, we been told different things, and with christmas coming up, my mum could do with having her money increase to what it should be. Before ESA my mum was on income support with a sickness element on top, she then got told she be moved to esa and thats when she had her assessment in july 2011 but she didnt hear from that untill 14th october 2011 when they said she failed it, she been getting the bacis rate noe since then so thats 13 months so can anyone say when they would pay the back pay from.

    also another question, we was advised that she could be called back up for another assessment in about 3 months, but could be longer can anyone who won their appeal and then got assesed again few months later tell me if that happens can we send copy of the appeal and a letter stateing that their no change it health and that it was only a few months that appeal was won.

    sorry to be abit long


    Comment by ang — November 21, 2012 @ 12:52 pm

  718. Hello Lorraine.

    They will pay back to the date the decision maker found your mum fit for work, NB… not the date of the ATOS assessment.
    It doesn’t matter whether an appeal has been won, ATOS can call us back anytime they see fit.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 21, 2012 @ 3:26 pm

  719. How long dose an appeal take I sent in an appeal to be put from work related to the support group. I sent it in September. How long dose it take roughly?? I was told beginning of October that it was with the decisions maker. Not heard anything since

    Comment by Jenny — November 21, 2012 @ 7:47 pm

  720. Hello Jenny.

    You will get a letter from the DWP advising you whether or not your appeal was re-considered in your favour, if not then make sure you get it across to them that you wish to carry the appeal on to the tribunal service.
    That first re-consider letter can take a few weeks or a month or two even, then if you go straight to appeal it can take up to roughly nine months for the appeal hearing depending on what part of the Country you live in.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 22, 2012 @ 1:04 am

  721. please help!!!!have been without no esa for 5 weeks now because i failed to attend a medical.have a 12 year old son and less than £70 a week to live on.
    dwp have told me i cant have no money at all til i attend a medical and have sent my doctor a letter saying not to issue me any more sick notes as my esa been stopped in october.appealed decision to not accept my reasons for not attending medical and dwp are now taking me to a tribunal cause they still wont change their decision.have received aa medical questionairre form atos but still no money from esa.can they leave me with no money at all?thanksx

    Comment by akerry — November 22, 2012 @ 10:21 pm

  722. Hello akerry.

    Why in gods name are you messing around ?, five weeks ?, do you think the DWP care ?, you need to wake up, you don’t seem to understand what’s happening here, and how ruthless these people are, get in touch with your local welfare rights department and explain the situation, they can sometimes make a phone call on your behalf and get it sorted out, or at the very least advise you on your best course of action, you have a child, for gods sake, you need to take action now…tomorrow… to help yourself.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 23, 2012 @ 12:17 am

  723. This morning at 6am watched parliament select committee rooms,,Subject Atos ‘healthcare’. Robert Devereux permanent secretary of the DWP and Dr Bill Gunnyeon Chief medical Advisor of the DWP…The only positive I got from it was that now it seems any medical evidence can be given to the Atos mock Doctor..And has to be taken into account ,Apart from that I have never seen such a pair of shifty characters they were unable to produce real figures,explain the massive profit made by Atos so far,,,when asked about the ‘healthcare ‘professionals’ and how many were actually qualified doctors, no answer was given..only that a majority of them were therapists of sorts.Also when asked several times in different context why is it that a large percentage of decisions were overturned by the decision maker when that very same decision maker isnt even a medical person…no reply could be given…sometimes its enjoyable to see rats caught in the headlights it made up for yet another night of no sleep,

    Comment by Anna — November 27, 2012 @ 9:09 am

  724. They won’t lose any sleep Anna, until it gets to polling day, then they get the shakes………come the election there’s going to be a whole lorra shaking going on..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 27, 2012 @ 10:25 am

  725. Anyone appealed to the Upper Tribunal yet?
    Any advice,successes?



    Comment by dave — November 29, 2012 @ 11:03 am

  726. Hi Dave.

    Appealing to the upper tribunal is fraught with pitfalls, so unless you are trained in the law, especially social security type law, then you need help from the CAB or Welfare rights, first of all you or preferably your representative need/s to ask the appeal panel for a statement of reasons, that is a full explanation into why ESA or DLA or whatever it is was denied.
    Once you have that then your trained representative has to go through it looking for an error of law, if there’s no error of law then you cannot appeal, if you can find one then your representative can appeal on your behalf to the upper tribunal.

    Comment by dwpexamination — November 29, 2012 @ 12:00 pm

  727. Cheers dwp,

    I will ask for a statement of reasons as they have just quoted the fact that I scored 0 in the atos examination.I tried a job,post Atos, but ended up being violently ILL as a result,similar,if not worse,than when I had to give up my well paid job in 2005 after the death of my son.As a result of the Atos assessment I have ended up with worsening health.I wonder if there is a Human Rights Angle?

    Thanks anyway.

    Comment by dave — November 29, 2012 @ 12:17 pm

  728. Hi, I feel I must make a comment, I was in receipt of income support/incapacity benefit, and recently received my self assessment form which I returned along with a doctors letter and a six month sick note and said I was too sick to attend an interview so they should speak to my doctor, 3 weeks later I have a letter saying I will now receive employment support allowance because my illness or disability restricts the possibilities of working. They are going to pay me £25 more than they used to. I am sick as can be, but I just thought I would let people know that sometimes if you are sick and you have a good doctor it can be plain sailing. Good luck to everyone, I know it isn’t easy. Richard

    Comment by Richard Mosley — November 30, 2012 @ 6:38 pm

  729. Oh pal it’s just starting.. U may have been awarded ESA but I guess u r in work related group. U now will be forced to either work at asda for up to 40 hours a week, volenteer work or a full time collage course on writing cv’s! And if u don’t do what they ask they will take ur benefits off u. I’m in this boat. I am in middle of appealing to be put in support group as I’m in hospital 2 days a week then need time to recover. They demanded I do 5 full days a week at Poole collage or else!!! So far it’s been 2 months and I have yet to hear from the appeals dept

    Comment by Jenny — November 30, 2012 @ 7:57 pm

  730. Hi Richard.

    Sorry to burst your bubble Richard, your getting sickness benefits because of sites like this, our sister site and other sites like Black triangle and many more, because if it weren’t for those sites you would be in ASDA or Tesco filling shelves.
    Just thought I’d let you know that it’s not you and us, it’s us and you are included.

    Good luck to everyone ? sounds as if your going on a holiday where you will never see ATOS or the DWP again, if you think that then you have learned nothing.

    Just thought I would let you know my thoughts Richard..!!

    Sorry if I sound angry, but I am flippen angry, ATOS are in utter turmoil, they are on their last legs and are starting to make concessions, it’s got nothing to do with compassion or whether you have a good Doctor.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 1, 2012 @ 9:50 am