Dwp examination

Tribunal Victory

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Hello again readers, here it is as promised. A report on my alleged “examination”, my appeal and consequent Tribunal. I apologise for the delay but my health has not been good of late and I have had other priorities to deal with.

As I sat waiting to be seen, a man came out of a darkened room to my right and in front of me, I didn’t know at the time he was my examining Doctor. I could not see clearly into the darkened room, there didn’t appear to be any windows, if there were they were blacked out. I imagined this was the observation room from where your entrance to the building could be watched as could the waiting room. CCTV is a great tool for gathering evidence….He walked past me, went to his room, waited a few minutes, came to the door then called my name…..

The “Healthcare professional” followed me into his office obviously observing me from the word go. He introduced himself, asked me to take a seat and said he was going to ask me questions relating to the information I had provided on my ib50 form. Choosing to ignore the glaringly obvious reason for my claim, his ‘examination’ began with questions relating to several other minor ailments I had listed. I later realised that these were the easiest to dismiss thus proving I was a liar (In his eyes anyway).

Apart from establishing I had, had major surgery within the last 6 months, no further interest was shown in its consequences, and no actual physical examination around this surgery took place. He then asked where arthritic pain was, which joints it affected, but did not investigate sciatica. He eventually asked if arthritis was getting worse. I said it had, and was not improving at all.

Next he carried out the briefest examination of my ankle (this consisted of prodding my lower shin with his index finger) More attention was paid to the movement of joints in wrist, back, arms, neck and head. He then asked me to bend my knees outward and lower myself (rather like a ballet move) which I told him I could not do and as a “Doctor” the reasons should have been glaringly obvious. I was also asked to climb (up 2 narrow steps) onto a bed and raise my legs as far as I could, I asked Dr to help me rise, but had to get up myself. The alleged “Healthcare professional” ignored my request for help and made no effort to help me rise? He then took my blood pressure and felt my pulse, (he couldn’t have taken its rhythm as he did not hold long enough).

I showed him my appointment letters for my operations and visits to specialists; however he seemed totally disinterested and said he could not ask to see them even though the letter I received asked me to bring them with me?

He asked me what I would do if “they” offered me a job now. I said it would be physically impossible at present as I am still recovering from my operation and other issues, however, I made it plain to him I had no intentions of remaining on benefits and hoped to return to work as soon as possible, which may take time given my present condition. He asked if I preferred full or part time work, I said full time but the likelihood would be part time to begin with. I also said I had an advisor at Jobcentre plus who is working with me to find suitable work.

He asked me if I watched T.V., Not much I replied, How about Radio, Almost never, Newspapers, No, books , got one for xmas, haven’t read it. Do you go to the pub, club, Pictures, theatre or restaurant rarely was my reply. He asked if I did any gardening (I thought this was a stupid question for an allegedly educated man), no, do I have any hobbies, apart from the internet, no. He seemed surprised and sceptical at my replies and gave me the impression he did not believe me! He also asked who was with me. I found this an odd question but courteously replied “a friend”.

During the examination the alleged “Doctor” asked both closed questions and (as I later established) rather “fluid” questions in a manner which was clearly designed to confuse the claimant, and which sometimes demanded a contradictory response to previous questions. I found this very disconcerting and frustrating.

Do you drive?

What kind of car do you have?

Who do you do your shopping with?

Who does the cooking at home?

How did you get here?

How long did your journey take?

On completion of the so called examination the Doctor asked if I had anything to add, I said my piece, which was firmly ignored and he ended the examination by focusing on his computer screen and dismissing me like a naughty child. I persisted and asked if we could go through his responses and make sure there were no inconsistencies. He immediately looked uncomfortable, cleared his throat and mumbled he did not have time and a copy of his report would be sent to the decision maker. I left, knowing he had done everything he could to stop my claim.

I requested a copy of the report and appealed within the month.

The appeal

When I received the report I could not believe my eyes, it was laced with assumptions, lies and other glaring inconsistencies which bordered on the ridiculous. I went through the report with a fine toothed comb over the following week or so. I knew I would make a mess of appealing if I tried to do it in one go so I deliberately took my time.

Day one:  First I copied it then I looked at all of the entries the alleged “Doctor” had made. I marked those I considered to be untrue first, then those that were assumptions, then those that were down right lies. I stopped there too angry to go on

Day two: I wrote the opening statement of my appeal and commented on the untruths first by asking how the “Doctor” had arrived at his prognosis, without testing my physical ability. A good example was his lie I could climb stairs without problems.

Day three: Next I dealt with the assumptions, entries he had made on a whim. A good example was the answer saying I used a mobile phone to make arrangements and text friends.

Day four: Next I dealt with the lies. A good example was that I could walk 400 yards without problems, despite the fact I was using a stick and I made it clear it was substantially less during the “examination”.

Day five: I spent about an hour double and treble checking my work. I had listed around 20 entries I was challenging. Satisfied I had done the best I could I gave a friend of mine a look and he pointed out two other items, which I added to the appeal.

Several months later, I received my tribunal date. Having taken advice from UKBIX I contacted the Local Authority who arranged a meeting with a representative. The first time we met we discussed my case in detail and assessed its merits and from that gauged our chances of success. It was 60/40 in my favour. This was mainly due to inconsistencies in his report to the Decision maker, his gross misdiagnosis of my condition and fitness level, his obvious assumptions and glaring lies.

A second meeting was arranged for the day before the tribunal, by this time I had my anger at the alleged “Doctor” under control and had accepted the idea that the Tribunal members were genuinely independent of the DWP and ATOS and were there to listen to the evidence I gave and make a decision based upon the facts before them. Make no mistake, these people are not easily fooled and will recognise those who are trying to defraud the system. Equally, if you are a credible witness, answer their questions clearly and precisely and are honest the chances are they will find in your favour.

It is important to remember that the Tribunal, in my case consisting of 2 members (3 is not unusual), one a Doctor the other a Judge and that they are not the enemy. With that in mind you can rest assured that your case will be heard fairly and amicably. The judge will defer to the Doctor and may occasionally ask you a question.

After introductions the hearing will began. The Tribunal established a time period upon which I had to focus when answering my questions. I was asked about how I felt then and that was compared to how I felt now. I assumed that this was to establish weather my condition was the same, worse or better. In my case I was a lot better than at the time of the examination and said so. The questions were asked very clearly and precisely. The Doctor and Judge listened carefully to my answers and after around five, maybe six questions the Judge asked for a break to make their decision. I left the room with my representative, we were called back in after about five minutes and informed that the Tribunal had overturned the “Doctors” decision and had awarded me well over 40 points. This was a massive victory and represented a ten fold increase in the number of points the “Healthcare Professional” had given me on the day of my examination.

Remember, the Tribunal is independent of the body against which you are appealing or have a grievance with. They are very astute people who will recognise you have been wrongly diagnosed and restore your benefits if they see fit. Equally if you are swinging the lead, the will notice this too and will react accordingly. Be patient, take any evidence you can with you and above all, get help. Do not go alone, do not go in with all guns blazing, simply be yourself. It is important to come across as a credible witness and to tell the truth.

My benefits were restored within 2 weeks and I have had no problems since, although I expect they will have me in again. Only this time I’ll be even more prepared……

245 Comments »

  1. Glad to hear you won your appeal! I am seeking advice from Welfare Rights, and hope mine goes as well as yours. I have much the same complaints against ATOS procedures & criteria as you’ve posted on here.

    Comment by Mike — October 26, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

  2. hi there nice to hear you won your appeal,i have mine in a few days time and i am doing it myself though cab have prepared my submissions and stuff which i am gratefull for.the amount of half truths and misreporting of my statements by the hcp and subsequently by the md and the reworked md’s report is astounding ,i am taking extensive notes etc to have my say and hopefully put it right with the truth of my statements,i have the full backing of my doctor,and i have been preparing my self for the appeal with the help of my brother who helps look after me . would you have any advice for me as regards the chance to make a statement telling the tribunal about the md and hcp misreporting of my statements?

    Comment by larry — October 26, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

  3. All I can say is be confident, remember the Tribunal are completely independant of the DWP and if you come across as a credible witness with a genuine appeal it can only help your situation. I was asked to focus on the time around my medical, and how I was then when answering my questions. I chose not to comment upon the alleged Doctors performance as I am not medically qualified to do so, however, I did say he grossly underestimated the effects of my disability at that time. Dont be angry, dont slag anyone off simply present the facts. Good luck and let us know how you get on.

    Comment by dwpexamination — October 27, 2009 @ 4:44 pm

  4. hi there again ,well i had my tribunal today and sadly for me it ended in dissapointment. although after what seem like interrogation style questions ,and plenty of them by the doctor on the tribunal,i was adjudged to have come up short again to exactly the same amount of points which was 13 (i know unlucky for some in this case me !).the questions he asked me were mainly centred on me and the difficulty the doctor had personally in believing i could have a lower lumbar and leg problem for 4 years and it wasn’t improving and my gp had not taken a great deal of action until just recently to get me consultant expert help ,the doctor on the tribunal seemed to hold that against me personally and he said as much he said he had a problem with it also when i told him i couldnt get out a great deal at all he didint seem to believe anyone would live like that without constantly getting on at their gp ! i told him i thought the medical matters and the problem solving of my condition was the concern of my gp and i followed his advice on treatment,i said i couldn’t keep storming into my gp’s surgery every week stating the obvious ,i was half expecting him to say i was guilty of not changing my doctor. any how i think i mentioned that the hcp in the original medical had badly reported my condition in regards qualifying answers statements made by my self and she did not report correctly on my difficulty performing some of the tests , the chairman duly noted this. the reworked medical by a second md had pushed my points score down to 3 from an original 13 by the hcp,this was reinstated to 13 by this tribunal and they did not seem to explain adequately why they were giving me those points back ? they did in fact award me 16 points in total but they said two sets of points or descriptors overlapped and they could only take into account one of those descriptors hence the 13 point total and the disallowance of said benefit.so it would seem the md was wrong to demand the hcp look at her findings again and hammer my score into the ground but they(the tribunal)were not prepared to go the full way and award me more then she originally did! i dont think the line of questioning by the dr on the tribunal was fair or impartial i think he had allready made up his mind before hearing my account of things ,but its a case of i’ve been living on 51 poUnd a week for the last 7 months now ,and allthough i have an upcoming neurologists consultancy soon (for which i guess they could have adjourned)i cant go on with that income and its ironic now the cooler weather is in i can

    Comment by larry — October 29, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

  5. continued,
    stand straight or feel my fingers , in an ironic final twist even though i was it would seem in the room for a good while having a load of questions fired at me by the doctor,it transpired that the wait to get the decision took mere minutes. i was out of the room waiting for about five mins total and they had me back in he informed me that i was getting more points but sadly for me not enough ,i could appeal blah blah blah ! they got the decision typed so quick they totted score up in my favor, found for me,ie allowed appeal and when i was in the room looking at it i was puzzled ,the clerk came out of the room and had a hastily amended one for me in ink ,explaining it was a mistake but it all left a rather sour taste in my mouth to say the least,the speed it was done was all rather suss! any how as i’m going to type i’m deciding if i should contact my cab and see if there is anything i can do seeing as i am the same, my back and leg are the same, and they cant just change to keep some penny pinching benefits agency happy . all your help or advice of fellow forum readers is appreciated !

    Comment by larry — October 29, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

  6. Re Larry’s experience,
    I am sorry to say that I had almost exactly the same experience at my Tribunal yesterday. I got the impression as soon as I walked into the room and saw the expression on the doctor’s face, that there was no chance of a positive outcome. The doctor proceeded to hector me, asking the same questions over and over in an attempt to trip me up, until I simply said ‘I’ve already answered that’ over and over. I was also severely criticised for being very dissatisfied with my ‘medical’ assessment and sending in a complaint about it. I actually worked in the specialty I am now a victim of, for 6 yrs, and know how I should have been examined!
    He concentrated solely on my upper body function – I have severe lower back problems after two operations left me a scarred spinal cord and facet joint syndrome – and just laboured the issue until the legal representative called a halt to it.
    He then moved on to my deafness, but because I can apparently hear well, despite being deaf in my left ear – I have learned to lip read and told him so – totally ignored of course – he dismissed this. He glossed over my arthritis as quickly as possible and then we finally moved to my back.
    My husband repeatedly tried to back up my statements and was virtually told to shut up, although he didn’t, thank god.
    Even after informing them that two Senior Consultants had supported an application by my Occupational Health Department for me to be medical retired – which has been approved, and even though the wording used in both their reports was that I had ‘Limited Capacity for Work’- the thing I thought I was being assessed for, this evidence was totally dismissed as not being within their designated descriptors.

    They informed me that in their opinion I have some fitness for work, even though I cannot ever be sure on a day to day basis that I will even manage to get downstairs due to my back pain, and that I can now apply for Jobseeker’s Allowance. I was completely shocked by this suggestion, and asked them to tell me what employer, who knows anything about risk assessment, would be prepared to employ me, in view of the instability of my condition and the fact that I cannot sit for more than 1/2 in an office chair without experiencing loss of function and increasingly severe pain? The answer? A shrug.

    I am so frustrated at a system that can treat people with genuinely life shattering conditions so callously. It’s not as if I haven’t paid tax and NI all my working life, I have, and cared for others whilst doing it. I abhor benefit cheats, and never thought I would be for one second, regarded as a possible cheat myself. Quite an eye opener, isn’t it?

    Comment by Lynne — March 16, 2010 @ 10:32 pm

  7. Yes, unfortunately you seem to have been the victim of a “bad” hearing. These happen from time to time and the only reason I can think of is that the “Doctor” may have once been employed by ATOS and is still applying thier standards. Check with the BMA and make sure he is registered in the first place, secondly try to find out what the next step is as it appears at first glance that your case may not have been given fair consideration. We can only change this situation by challenging it, we should do so at every opportunity and take it to the highest possible point we can in the justice system. One thing to bear in mind, it is stressful and unless you have the stamina for a long drawn out battle, forget it and walk away or you may do yourself more harm than good. Personally I have come to the conclusion that this is all a game, I treat it as such and now actulally enjoy the process of challenging thier decisions. I know people might find this a bit odd, but if they say no when I feel I am legally entitled to benefits, if I can contribute the process of bringing this organisation down and I can make them work for thier illegal victory (if they win that is) I am a happy chap. Good luck and thanks for a very frank and accurate discription of your experience, I hope you report these people to the local fire authority, the HSE and take action under the Disabiltiy Discrimination Act.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 17, 2010 @ 8:15 am

  8. HI ALL…Was reading the above,and a very similar thing happened to me,I lost my IB appeal last year,the doctor on the panel was totally biased,and felt she had made up her mind,before I even went in,I noted her name and looked up the net,and guess what,she works in a private hospital,and runs a private clinic,I had absolutley no chance…so the conclusion is,if the doctor on the tribunal panel, is involved in private health,there is a clear conflict of interest,and should not be allowed to continue,for the sake of fairness all round…….DAVID.

    Comment by David — March 21, 2010 @ 2:42 pm

  9. Excellent news, you won your appeal!

    Claiming for what’s rightfully yours ought not to be as stressful as the Dicks for Work and Pensions put you through.

    I’ve felt like giving in many times, but then I snap out of my depression, become so fired up with rage… and that’s when I demand my rights. Politely, of course.

    I have 5 prolapsed discs in my lower spine, worn facet joints, 2 prolapsed discs in my neck, sciatica in my right leg, nerve damage and cramps. Crohn’s disease. Severe anaemia… I faint a lot. A blood disorder > Beta Thalassaemia… breathless, anaemic, tired – very tired. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Depression. Insomnia. Deaf in one ear. Partial loss of sight in both eyes, cataracts (both eyes) and not operable because of my anaemia and steriod medication I need for Crohn’s.
    There’s others, but too silly to mention.

    Now, what do you think the medical examiner asked me? LOL!
    Can I walk unaided and for how long/far?
    What are my hobbies?
    Why I’m depressed? ETC.

    I crashed a car, badly… in the 80′s and though most of the damage was internal, I never had a proper examination – Italy, see? 20 years along the line… had an MRI scan and the results shocked me! I’d been suffering in silence and working as a self employed fashion designer. Raised two kids alone. Did my best. Then I got sick. Really sick. Vomiting, collapsing, losing weight… my GP referred me for tests (colonoscopy ! and gastroscopy… and I had stomach tumours! Got the all clear after self treating naturally > Hemp Oil, but went on to develop Crohn’s… just like that! Although the enterologist beleives I’d had Crohn’s from childhood – skinny, see?

    Moral of the story: Only YOU know your body/illness/how it affects you. Not some ATOSser medical examiner. So insist, resist, persist and you’ll have the right outcome.

    *I swear I’ll go insane(er) if I lose my appeal! LOL!

    Comment by Franka — June 16, 2010 @ 11:15 am

  10. As my hero used to say “Hasta la victoria siempre!”

    Comment by Franka — June 16, 2010 @ 11:35 am

  11. How many points did you score?

    Comment by dwpexamination — June 17, 2010 @ 5:44 pm

  12. Points…? F**K knows. I’ve requested a copy of my full medical report – IB85, and score sheet IB58.
    Still waiting for post…

    Comment by Franka — June 17, 2010 @ 6:53 pm

  13. Update on my case. I have had to claim JSA and I am STILL waiting for my Statement of Reasons from Judge Goodman for my hearing on 21 May 2010. I’ve rang, emailed, written, but to no avail. I’ve just today contacted the Senior President for him to help chase it up. If I was a cynical person I would say that the Judge is taking so long in the hope that I will just go away and she doesn’t have to try and justify a travesty of justice. I have £1500 and a benefit am entitled to owing to me, I have no intention of letting this go.

    Update to follow…

    Comment by pete — July 6, 2010 @ 6:08 pm

  14. Keep on advancing on them “P”, you must not back down now. Why not register on the new forum? its at http://dwpexamination.myfreeforum.org theres quite a community growing there.

    Comment by dwpexamination — July 7, 2010 @ 6:08 am

  15. I can hardly believe it. I scored 9 out of 15 points at my medical (was amazed I even scored that cos I suffer from depression) and appealed, this was in April last year. I have been waiting for nearly a year for my tribunal date to come through and today, I received a letter from the DWP telling me they have looked again at the evidence and have changed their decision, so there is no need for the tribunal… I won! I am now over £600 better off because I have received my money in arrears. Just had to tell you all about this positive outcome and to repeat again, and again, and again.. appeal, appeal, appeal!!! You owe it to yourself not to let ATOS and the DWP get away with this horrendous, disgusting treatment of the ill and disabled. Good luck everybody.

    Comment by Jackie — March 9, 2011 @ 5:36 pm

  16. hi there ,i,m not feeling too well these days so i’ve got my bro to type this at my dictation,i find it quite awkward sitting at the comp for any length of time these days if at all. i just want, in putting this account down, to inform fellow forum readers and casual readers of subsequent events since my failed medical and subsequent appeal. i immediately applied for E.S.A, stating basically the same condition complaint.i was given the usual shambolic assessment at atos,but still awarded 6 points i appealled and in september last year i was awarded the fifteen points and a win.
    the difirrence this time around was they couldn’t hold not having a consultants report against me and another condition far worse then a crumbling spine reared its head in the form of asbestos ,although the tribunal only found for me on an additional 9 points for the great difficulty i have walking as well as sitting etc.

    Comment by larry — March 10, 2011 @ 10:02 am

  17. any how that as i said was back in september last year,so after having waited almost 9 months for a fair shake from the benefits system atos have decided by january to send me another questionairre,to which answers applied in the usual manner ,and also adding that i thought it was a bit unfair so soon after winning a tribunal and the the fact that i have a potentially life threatining illness alongside a degenerative disease of the spine along its whole length,maybe i should of wrote such a letter directly to the D.W.P because in any event atos took no notice and as of writing today i’m due for another no doubt shambolic medical assesment on tuesday the 15 of march. there no doubt they will attempt to take away the additional points awarded to me by a legally convened judical sitting so shortly after having been awarded them. basically my conditions, although only one, my spine was taking into account last time around,are degenerative and chronic.

    Comment by larry — March 10, 2011 @ 10:16 am

  18. i have not been afforded any intervention in the form of surgery on my spine or drugs or anything ,and in the case of the asbestos related complaint any change in that respect usually ends in the pine box treatment which no doubt atos would love to supply tommorow will full goverment backing no doubt. but grumblings aside,i would like to know the roads other claimants have gone down whilst in a similar position because i can just see after next tuesday ,myself having to repeat the whole scenario of last year when trying to get E.S.A for the first time . i want to avoid this because i am physically and mentally very stressed with the whole issue and the thought of having to repeat the whole process again is really starting to sicken me. i may write legally to the D.W.P ITSELF setting out my case in an attempt to avoid another appeal as i think my situation may warrant it ,any comments from my fellow forum friends appreciated immensly

    Comment by larry — March 10, 2011 @ 10:24 am

  19. Hi Larry, First to here from more people in a similar situation to your self feel free to join our sister forum at http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/index.php Its free and there is a better opportunity for you to share your cusrrent situation with others who may be able help you further. There is also a page on first contact with ATOS whish you should read. Some information I know has worked inthe past is, Never attend a medical alone. Thale someone with you who can take notes, to help with this I have roduced an assment form for ATOS. Its available on the assessing atos page of this blog. You will also find a contacts form which you should print off and keep next to your phine, it is essential that you or your representitive keep accurate notes on any conversations over the phine from now, you may rely on this later. Make sure you are dropped off outside the building if possible as admitting to using a bus goes against you. Ifyou live far away from your examnation centre try to stay with friends or family who live nearby the night before to shorten the journey in. You will be asked abotu your journey when you are in there. If the HCP asks you to do things which cause you pain it is your right to refuse. If the HCPin in any way agressive, bullying you, sarcastic etc make a complaint against them to ATOS directly they must investigate your complaint. You really need to look at this Bblog and our forum to gather as much information you can before your medical, please feel free to ask the forum members for help, I guarantee you will find nothing but support there. Good luck and keep us informed. If you can a description of the medical centre you go to, nearby parking, access etc will be appreciated. It serves to help others goingthere after you.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 10, 2011 @ 1:24 pm

  20. hi there thanks for the previous post affording me some valuable advise on my upcoming medical assessment at atos. i have been to an esa medical before and it seems that no matter what you say or how you act they have their agenda all set out before hand,and basically the claimant may as well for all intents and purposes not be there at all. for me in my mind these things are all won at the appeal stage ,they basically fail you at the assessment regardless of your testimony and medical back ups in the forms of gps reports and consultant reports etc.my previous post was one to ascertain if any one on these forums had avoided going to a tribunal appeal by putting their evidence to the dwp after failing the so called medical assessement,and thus avoided the appeal stage? once again your help on this mater gratefully accepted.

    Comment by larry — March 10, 2011 @ 8:58 pm

  21. Hi Larry, generally information I have says that ATOS issue the form on the advice of the DWP. When you complete the fom a DWP expert looks at it and forwards your case to ATOS if they deem you as requiring further investigation. You are advised not to enclose any additional information , which should in stead be sent to your local JC+ . To me this preempts a denial of benefits by ATOS anyway. After the alleged medical which is not a medical you can offer any supporting evidence to the HCP who will not ask for it and will only pay it scant attention as he has already failed you. You then recieve a letter on the day your benefit is due telling you your Benefits have been stopped, another deliberat ploy by JC+ who know you have nothing to live on and must claim another Benefit. You are also informaed to appeal, this is when additional evidence should be sent as the DM is required by law to take that into account, do not send copes, copies will be ignored as anecdotal. This is rarely successful and its off to the tribunal. Just lately somepeople are reporting that thier cases have been “REVIEWED” before the tribunal and they no longer need to attend as thier Benefits have been reinstated, its becoming more common as the Government have allowed ATOS and the DWP into Tribunal records by the back door to artificially reduce the appeal success figures at tribunal. This helps them with thier statistics as a) your case is resolved before a tribunal is reached and b) theis results in the number of successful appeals falling. See where I am leading, its therefor eimportant to get this infrmation into the public arena as quickly aspossible so if it happens to you please tell us. If it does hapen then it may be worth speaking to a slicitor to see if any legal action can be taken against ATOS for writing a fraudulent report which caused you loss.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 11, 2011 @ 8:32 am

  22. hi there thanks again for the reply to my post ,as i said previous i fully expect atos with thier apparent immunity from proscution for deliberate wrongdoings to not only award me probably zero points as seems to be the fashion ,but in the process take away the six points they actually gave me this time last year and the further 9 points awarded to me by a tribunal the following sept/oct time. and this will be on the back of nothing having changed in my condition physically just the added knowledge of a far more and actual life threatening illness which has now been diagnosed in asbestos,i find it incredulous that a governing body like the tribunal service can have points they awarded me just expunged by a totally unqualified atos hcp . that would be the same as a labourer telling an archtect his job or a porter trying to explain brain surgery to a top head surgeon ,it beggars belief that this kind of thing is currently going on in this country.

    Comment by larry — March 11, 2011 @ 12:57 pm

  23. hello again to the forum,i would have been on here before now but i had to wait until my brother who helps look after me was available to type my dictation .i have had my medical assessment last tuesday the 15th march. it was a real bad day for me as i have had any amount of trouble with my chest and my lower back was practically immobile . i for once, or so the atos person informed me,was seen by an actual doctor.i have to say this time i received what seemed to be a far more thourough examanation then the previous esa and i.b medicals. he seemed to ask me an array of questions and some of those were pretty point blank and did not seem to be deliberately tricky for devious purposes.i answered truthfully in all respects as i allways do and he seemed to accept most answers without criticism.the whole process took around 50 mins or so and he seemed to be indicating that i needed help but not in so many words and he seemed to be under the impression that it was a first time application though i did tell him i had been to these medicals before . well any how time no doubt will tell and i could just be thinking wishfully given whats happening!

    Comment by larry — March 21, 2011 @ 11:27 am

  24. I won my ESA tribunal in November 2010, I got sent the paperwork, along with a letter, asking me to confirm my bank details for the arrears to be paid, I confirmed my details by both letter and telephone, they told me the arrears would be paid within 3 working days of the delivery team getting my details…That was on the 31st January, a little bit more than 3 working days me thinks…Does anybody know how long it takes to get your arrears through after you win a tribunal and have confirmed your bank details? I called them and they promised a call back I never got also,
    I suffer from anxiety, I’ve now had to live, ill for more than a year, funded by small donations from family, from their state pensions, after i was sent a letter saying i won my tribunal and another saying my arrears had be issued! I still have no payment, 4 months after my tribunal, that’s like 18months of hell with no benefits, since autumn 2009,
    please help me i am going a bit bonkers with all this unexplained waiting, I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks, waiting for month ‘after’ my arrears appear to have been issued and still not in my bank,
    please advice on payment schedules for arrears, after tribunal and confirmation of bank details!
    thanks, R D x

    Comment by R D — March 26, 2011 @ 4:38 am

  25. Hello RD.

    It was seven weeks before i was paid arrears after I won my tribunal last year, they are very slow in coming back with the goodies when you win.

    On the other hand if you had lost your appeal, rest assured you would have known all about it in a letter from the DWP as well as confirmation you are no longer entitled to ESA etc, and all within a week.

    What to do is write them a letter, asking why you haven’t been paid your arrears, also why has it taken nearly five months and you still haven’t heard anything.

    I suspect they will come up with some excuse like your bank details were not quite right or some other baloney. (they told me once that my money would not go in to my account etc).

    The main thing is, you are getting them to take notice you are still waiting for your legal right to full benefit plus arrears to be restored as soon as possible.
    Phone calls to the rabbit at the other end of the call centre are not very productive i’m afraid !!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 26, 2011 @ 9:02 am

  26. hi there forum,on the issue of waiting for arrears there R.D i was paid all my arrears after winning my appeal in sept last year within a week,the whole process from first being denied esa via the assessement all the way to appeal victory took around nine months or so.i am currewntly awaiting my decision on my latest medical assesment that i had to attend just five months after wining my appeal,i will endevour to keep the forum posted on that.

    Comment by larry — March 26, 2011 @ 7:48 pm

  27. hi there forum, as i promised and after being able to get my bro to help me again i’m back on forum to let folk know how i got on with medical. well as expected but not on merit ,only on how things are i have once again been denied my E.S.A. i have been put right back to where i was before my appeal at the back end of september last year. the atos or D.M i dont know which yet, has taken away the points that the appeal tribunal awarded me all nine of them. although nothing has changed with my life or medical condition apart from now being aware of a far more serious condition in asbestos they have found fit to deduct me pints again based on absoulutely nothing,just the most basic of so called medicals.i have recieved no treatment for my degenerative disc disease of the spine which is along its whole length especially the lower lumbar,i receive no pinkillers apart from paracetomol which due to a liver complaint i have to be carefull with,and because of my chest condition with the asbestos worry i wont take steroids in my back either. so hear i am back to square one after getting a desicion in my favour just five or so months ago? can anyone enlighten me on steps i can take next rather than just putting straight in for an appeal can i phone or write to the dwp asking what is going on and how is this fair or correct and maybe asking them to look at it again? i will not allow them to put not only my health but my actual life in jepordy!

    Comment by larry — April 8, 2011 @ 5:09 pm

  28. Larry the short answer is no.
    The DWP are not interested in our problems, you must appeal, you have won before and you will win again.
    Their whole remit is to sicken you, and hope you will go away, don’t go away, fight back and win again.

    Larry for more advice go to the new forum (click below) and you will get plenty of help to beat these people.

    http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/index.php

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 8, 2011 @ 7:27 pm

  29. hi there forum, thanks again for your valued opinions on these esa matters,i realise where you are coming from ,when you say the dwp aint interested at all in anything other than their remit ,ie to dismiss as many claims as possible valid or not. but having said that i’ll be damned when i have a legitimate claim that can be backed up by fact ie medical findings and testimony from medical proffesionals,if i am going to just accept having to spend another nine months of my precious life on awaiting for an appeal that i dont think i should have to entertain. so i am going to ask for an explanation,which i will no doubt challenge,force them if i can, to look at my medical evidence ,testimony ,facts etc,and see if they cant adjust what i believe once more to be a wrong decision. i will go all the way down the line with this before i accept the inevitable appeal route,though i realise come what may i need to lodge my intention to appeal within a month so i need to speak and maybe write to them with haste.i wont have whats left of my life ruined by these people who dont seem to give a damn about people’s conditions at all.

    Comment by larry — April 10, 2011 @ 11:06 pm

  30. Hi Larry.

    I’m sorry I didn’t have any good news to tell you, what they are doing is not just morally wrong it’s criminal.
    As I see it, the only thing you can do is send photo-copies of all your medical records to the DWP decision maker, also fill in the GL 24 form and on a blank piece of paper an explanation of why you believe their decision to find you fit for work is erroneous.
    I have to let you know the way they operate, first of all the ATOS Doctor doe’s not send the DWP your medical records, this is of course deliberate. And what most people find is that on the letter you recieve from the DWP finding you fit for work because you didn’t recieve enough points etc. There will be a number of boxes ticked off, and the chances are the medical evidence box will not be ticked. And even if it is ticked of because you sent it to the DWP instead of ATOS it’s still not valid according to them because they will claim they don’t have the necessary medical experience, therefore you should have sent it to ATOS. A kind of pass the parcel.
    A cynical ploy to try and fool you into believing your medical evidence was considered and found inadequate, the truth is they don’t consider anything, the decision maker didn’t even see it. And as I said that’s because ATOS do not send any medical evidence you show them on to the DWP.

    Let’s get something straight Larry, these people are criminals, they will try any dirty trick they can to deprive you of your legal rights.
    So what can you do, given that they have planned all this, well send the DWP your GL 24 and all your medical evidence and appeal. that’s all there is.
    If you ask them to reconsider their decision, they will not do it (The reconsideration process is another con, because they dont consider anything) you will find your paperwork goe’s straight to the appeal panel anyway.

    So Larry I don’t want to bullshit you, I want you to see what’s coming, and take the correct course which is don’t fool around, just get that appeal in, and of course dont forget to ask for the assessment rate while you are appealing, this is important, because if you don’t ask they will give you nothing, they will assume (HOPE) you are going to apply for Job Seekers Allowance.

    As I said they are operating a twisted logic, as in let’s mess them around as much as possible and sicken them so much, they will just go away and sign on to get away from all that stress, and that’s another one off the disability figures. One less to worry about. Or an opportunity to sit in their offices gloating, look there’s another one who was swinging the lead, Mr Iain Duncan Smith is a clever man, he knows how to sort them out all right. Yes he was right all along.
    Well let’s prove Mr Iain Duncan Smith wrong, and appeal and win. Or make it so difficult for them that one day they get it in to their thick skulls that browbeating, issuing threats of benefit withdrawal or trying to make you bend to their will is just not going to work. Therefore they will have to choose a different course or change their modus operanda.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 11, 2011 @ 2:30 pm

  31. hi there forum ,i’ll start by giving thanks to my brother for his typing services enabling me to get on here and have a bit of a ramble about yesterdays contact via phone with the dwp .i contacted them first thing yesterday,having set out my pertinent questions the evening before.
    only a minute or two into the conversation the dwp operative started getting a little shirty ,practically getting upset because the questions i was asking,ie- why have i been dissallowed a benefit based on the withdrawal of the points awarded just five months previuosly by a legally constituted tribunal,when she was not prepared to answer that question she started making references to the manner and tone of my voice and said she would have no option other than to terminate the call,just i was trying to say :dont start with that nonesense i’m entitled to answers by law; she hung up.basically she started getting worried when i was pressing the issue of who actually dissallowed my claim ie was it the atos dr or the decision maker ,was there an overule? . any how i immediately called again ,made a complaint about conduct of first operative and reached an aggreement with the second operative to have my esa 85 report and a written explanation from the dm forwarded to me,though from what i’ve been hearing and reading on these forums i wont hold my breath for those any time soon. any how as previously advised by good folk on here i wont leave putting my gl24 form with my dr’s opinion and my medical consultants evidence in any later then next week .i will write do the benefits centre reiterating what was discussed on monday just to have something on the record.

    Comment by larry — April 12, 2011 @ 9:25 am

  32. Cheers Larry, and thanks to your brother.

    The person you spoke to on the phone doesn’t know anything about you, and is just answering the phone, don’t waste any more of your valuable time and energy trying to get it through their skulls.

    I see you have applied for a GL 24 and your ESA 85, when you recieve it, could be anytime, just depends when the decision maker gets their finger out their ass and decides to stop talking about East-enders or Coronation Street, sometimes it’s quick some times it’s slow, I recieved mine under 24 hours for instance.

    Then sit down and relax, because you are going to see the biggest load of claptrap imaginable, the Welfare rights and CAB etc, they all know this and have become desensitised over the last couple of years.

    It’s a human condition we are all susceptable too, after all after you have seen your first tiger victim, I’m sure it is going to come as a shock, but after you have seen 20, 30, 40, 400 well it’s just another poor sod.

    God knows when it will all end Larry !!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 12, 2011 @ 10:59 am

  33. once again thanks for the reply forum. as you predicted they sent my esa 85 the very next day ,and basically if it wasn’t for having my name on it ,i wouldnt have a clue exactly who it refers to.it is basically full of half truths misinterperated answers, and questions i basically cant remember ever being asked. and as for the serious matters regarding this report it is full of downright lies,and they all seem to be centered around the crucial points of medical matters for me its outrageous .i am going to forward my gl24 immediately along with a powerfull letter debunking this quite frankly ludicrous so called medical report along with my dr’s opinion of my state of health and my consultants,and i’m going to try and get myself so long needed proffesional help in the form of a counsellor because apparently according to this dr for atos having asbestos disease is a mere trifle and nothing to worry about and that is just the mental side of things,apparently a crumbling spine and potentially cancerous skin condition are also things that should just be ignored and forgotten about ,sooner or later somebody in power must step forward and do something about this scandal.

    Comment by larry — April 12, 2011 @ 8:50 pm

  34. Well it’s up to us Larry, we are the pioneers, there is nobody before us, if we say or do nothing, then people in the future will look back to the past and say that you knew what they were doing, you knew they were corrupt but you stood with folded arms and did nothing.

    Everything that was hard fought for after the two world wars, like the national health service, the benefit system and other stuff like the right to not be treated like a slave will be lost if we do nothing.

    That’s one reason why I urge everyone to join our sister site and try and help, no matter how small. http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/index.php

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 13, 2011 @ 1:13 pm

  35. hi there again forum, just a few words to update ,i have as of saturday 23 april received notice that i will be going to appeal ,and they are putting the assessment rate of

    e.s.a into my account shortly. it would seem by the letter that they have looked at it again but they have not qualified this by any opinions in this letter or any phone calls etc.
    so it would seem they have not been interested in my medical reports ie consultants findings used at last appeal successfully,nor the unequivocal opinion of my gp as regards my ill health,they are prepared to go with the findings of the atos dr which to be quite frank is more shot full of holes credibility wise, then any of the previous reports which have been discounted on close scrutiny.
    truly if it was not for my brother, sacrificing his time and life partially, to keep me bouyed up through my general life and these unessesary appeal procedures i dont know what i’d do . i am now receiving medication for depression due to this ongoing 3 year hassle ,whilst trying to battle against illness,aspects of which are life threatning,although not represented the last time out i have cab looking at my case this time around as they seemed perplexed given my illnesses ,and having won an appeal tribunal just last oct .and nothing having changed condition wise apart from my resolve to keep fighting them, they are puting their head person on my case so fingers crossed. any comments from the good people on this forum is much appreciated.
    once again lots of thanks to my brother in his assistance online typing and grammar etc.

    Comment by larry — April 23, 2011 @ 10:00 am

  36. As you can see Larry it’s not personal we are just National insurance numbers to them, I’ve had the same problems and so have thousands of others, just don’t get depressed about it, and just keep going.
    You are going to win the appeal no problem, just have to survive on the assessment rate for cash at least for the moment, all money will be returned in the future and the rigmarole will start again.
    At least your not under any illusions about them…!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 23, 2011 @ 3:04 pm

  37. hi there thanks again for your considered reply,its nice to see folks caring for each others welfare ,lets hope a public swelling of outrage at whats going on regarding benefits is soon to follow. anyhow i’m hoping when i forward my appeal papers and submissions drawn up by cab and with testimony from my dr ,councillor ,and consultants etc will be enough to maybe prevent having to go through the rigours of an appeal once more,though i wont be holding my breath,unless thats what the dwp actually want,it really doe’s get you thinking along those lines that they would actually ,rather you were dead!

    Comment by larry — April 23, 2011 @ 7:34 pm

  38. Yes let’s hope Larry, and let’s hope we can hold on long enough (with the constant hassle and appeals) untill we can get rid of this dreadful Government. the by-elections on May the fifth could be the start, so once again let’s hope so !!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 24, 2011 @ 7:56 am

  39. ive won 1st appeal in 209 had my esa restored.only within 4wks called back for next mwd,where i lost esa again spent 12 months in 2nd appeal where i won for a 2nd time.ive now been asked to fill in esa50 and will be no doubt asked for a 3rd med,there seems they pay no mind to appeals.what can i do?

    Comment by alan brown — May 18, 2011 @ 9:34 pm

  40. Hi Alan.

    As soon as you win an appeal, it’s not long before you have to fill in another ESA 50, as you have found out by your own experience.

    This is their plan, which is to constantly get on your back, make your life as difficult as possible and pay you as little money as possible.
    They don’t like people winning appeals, ( because you have proven them wrong) they have no respect and care not how you feel. Their excuse is, well you may have got better in the last few months while waiting for your appeal to be heard. They have even told this to people with brain tumours and lung cancer, and yes even the terminaly ill have to constantly fill in their Idiotic forms.
    You ask what can I do about this ?, well you can fill in their ESA 50 form appeal and beat them again, and again, and don’t let them beat you, just keep beating them at their own game.
    You can get more help by clicking on to the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/index.php and listen up to people who are in the same boat as you and I.

    Don’t forget, the DWP know that sooner or later if you go through enough appeals, you are bound to meet up with an appeal panel on an Ideological mission, a panel of David Cameron lovers who will deny you, no matter what evidence you produce, and no matter how ill you are, yes some of the appeal panels are in cahoots with the DWP, and they know it’s only a matter of time before you fall foul of them someday.

    At the above forum we are trying to take steps to end this madness, before more people end their lives in suicide, yes people are killing themselves because of this, because they don’t know there is thousands suffering as they do and it is little known because they just don’t report it in the mainstream media and newspapers.
    This is not just happening to you and I, this is happening to thousands of people all over Britain Alan.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 19, 2011 @ 6:14 am

  41. i have just crashed at my tribunal at durham as expected im an ex soldier with no union support can anyone give me a push in which direction to go for help cheers

    Comment by gploo — May 19, 2011 @ 5:28 pm

  42. Hello gploo.

    I see you have logged in to the forum, go to the general discussion and tell us a little more.

    For instance are you applying for ESA and what help you do have at the moment, CAB ?, Welfare rights ? or were you on your own at the tribunal ?.
    If the first tier tribunal have not found in your favour, then all is not lost, you can apply for a ”statement of reasons” That means the tribunal Judge must explain in writing the reasons why they took the decision they did.
    When you recieve a copy of the statement of reasons, then you can go through it with a fine tooth comb and look for a possible error in law.

    What are/is errors in law you may ask ? yes a good question, because to apply to the Commissioner in the second tier tribunal, the statement of reasons must have some error in law, you can’t just say I don’t agree with the Judges decision, as I said there must be an error in law.

    For instance, it could say on there that you can do certain things now that you couldn’t do on the date the DWP informed you that you were fit for work, since the tribunal hearing is supposed to be refering to that date, then they can’t refer to the present and use that to find you fit for work. You see, they must keep to that date in time (when you were informed by the DWP), and not the present, because that is, would be an error in law. You would be surprised how often they do it and try to get away with it.

    Another example of an error in law, would be, a reference on the statement of reasons to matters that never happened, for instance, saying that the ATOS Doctor said certain things that were not on the ESA 85.
    Yes that happened to me, the tribunal judge wrote on the statement of reasons that the ATOS Doctor said on the ESA 85 that I could bend my back to touch my knees, if that was true then there would be no error in law. But it wasn’t true, absolutely nowhere on the ATOS ESA 85 medical report did it say the Doctor asked me, or even mentioned bending my back to touch my knees, but the tribunal Judge said it did on the statement of reasons.
    And that is an error in law, because they can’t refer to things that never happened, because as you can see, it’s just desperate nonsense to try and justify their erroneous decision. And when compiling the statement of reasons they either overlooked it, or hoped I wouldn’t notice.

    And you would be surprised on the amount of stuff they overlook, so that’s your first stop, apply and get that statement of reasons, also get welfare rights help if you don’t have it.

    And I can tell you I know how it feels when you have been stitched up by a crooked tribunal, because I have been there, and it’s very frustrating because in your heart you know the decision was ideological, you know they were biased and don’t give a toss, remember you are not alone…!!

    The best revenge is to beat them at their own game.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 19, 2011 @ 6:21 pm

  43. HI everybody,by fiilling in a esa 50 you are immediately cancelling your old claim,they dont tell you that,consult a solicitor straight away after wining your appeal and have them for harassment,your physical condition and circumstances are not going to change in a couple of months,and we all know the system is as bent as a butchers hook.its us against them.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 29, 2011 @ 11:41 am

  44. Why do you have to re-apply for e s a when your already entitled to it,that is the whole point of you going to a tribunal in the first place,do not fill in a esa50 after you have won your tribunal,otherwise you are cancelling the claim your already claiming,before you know it they will be sending you another letter from that cowboy organisation athos again,and you will have to go through it all again.its a farce and a con,you have wrights as a human being,its not your fault your disabled,consult a solicitor straight away after winning your tribunal,and beat them.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 29, 2011 @ 12:02 pm

  45. hi all.i won my tribunal which was held wedsnesday just gone dec.21st.little compensation for the last year of hell stress having money and rent stopped and nearly bein driven to suicide.i scored 0 points courtesy of a cow from atos who was only a physio.i have asthma.osteo arthritis spondylosis and depression.she deemd nothing wrong with me .how kind of her.i hope she sleeps well at night cos i havent for a year.victory is bittersweet as they can put me through the same hell anytime they please.if i dont receive my backpay i will play holy hell.the same will happen if they dare send me another medical form so soon after me just winning.my solicitor will file harrassment charges at my request.i am sick to death of these bastards and they wont brow beat or bully me into claimin jsa.they must think cos we are ill we know nothing.how wrong they are.fight people and keep fightin.thats what i will be doing no matter what they try and make me do.my heels are dug firmly in waiting for them to play silly buggers again but now having been through it ,i am forearmed and forewarned of what to expect.they are in for a royal shock

    Comment by lynnleeds — December 24, 2011 @ 7:14 pm

  46. Hi Lynnleeds.

    Forewarned and then forearmed that’s the way to go, you can get the best forewarned and forearmed here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ anyway good to see you won your tribunal, you may have a wait for your backdated money, because when you win a tribunal they are never in a rush to contact you, of course if your appeal was rejected the opposite applies and the average time for them to contact you is usually around a week.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 25, 2011 @ 1:00 am

  47. am fully expecting to be given the runaround,so am geared up with solicitor on standby and mp being kept informed.these idiots treat us like fools,but we know we are far from that.this experience has taught me one thing-I am stronger than i thought.i nearly gave in a few times but was fuelled by anger and i will fight them all the way again to tribunal if need be.which part of xrays dont lie is it hard for them to get?They are saying i will fight with you,but first i will cut your arms and legs off so you dont stand a chance.how fair of them!!!!am far from done with them,but if they think they will annoy me they are wrong.i will annoy them until they finally say f*** it.good luck to all on appeal.never give up as by giving up you allow them to rule your life with a rod of iron.it unnerves them when you wont go away.i can last as long as them at this game.thats how to treat it.its a game of wits.once you have been through it you know what’s coming and thats an advantage in my eyes,even if you go through the same feelings.its still the same format. lets band together and show them we are made of steel not plastic they can mould.also my arthritis is degenerative.surely they know this means it will never get better,only worse.

    Comment by Anonymous — December 25, 2011 @ 11:58 am

  48. Hello Anon.

    That’s what it is a game of wits, but they hope you/we commit suicide and save them some money and improve their benefit denial figures, unfortunately sad but true.
    Your right about banding together and we have made a start here at the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/
    it might last a while this forum because we aint going to give up, they will give up first.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 25, 2011 @ 12:08 pm

  49. hi i have registered.am just waiting for someone from the sister forum to approve it.the more we kick off then theres a slight chance a member of the houses of parliament with even the slightest degree of hearing might just listen.if i can help in any way to anyone or the forums please let me know.i wont let the bastards grind me down.am available to help at any point.if anyone needs advice or i can join in helping bring the tyrants down.

    Comment by Anonymous — December 25, 2011 @ 12:17 pm

  50. hi the last 2 anon posts were me lynnleeds.i think i hadnt logged in sorry.but yes if i can do anything pls let me know

    Comment by lynnleeds — December 25, 2011 @ 12:20 pm

  51. Hello Lynleeds.

    That’s you in, we were getting a lot of spam from all over the world so now we vet everything at the door, cheers and merry Xmas.

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 25, 2011 @ 4:16 pm

  52. hi dwp am having a great eveing.am emailing all my mp’s and also working my way through the list of house of lords emailing every single one of them.should be fun seeing who is on our side.am not stopping til have emailed the whole damn lot of em.about time the little people went right to the top and gave them an idea of what goes on.so by morning or whenever they go back the lot will have the same email on their desks.am on a mission now.am fedup at the thought of going through the same carryon time after time,so am telling them how it really is not what the dwp n atos say it is.they hearing from someone whos lived through it and if i dont get any replies will keep at it.anyone wishing to follow suit google house of lords list and get cracking lol.

    Comment by lynnleeds — December 26, 2011 @ 7:30 pm

  53. Hi Lynleeds.

    By now these MPs and Lords should have received hundreds if not thousands of e-mails and letters, the more the merrier though..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — December 26, 2011 @ 8:07 pm

  54. yep the more we needle them,the more they be thinking sod it have to do something.or thats the hope anyway.am mailing 2 journalists who work for the aily mirror too.they not afraid have done tons of stuff on atos and the dwp.they speak their mind.sommerlad and penman.look em up on daily mirror tell em your experiences they have written loads of things about what dwp and atos have done.am going to email everyone i can think of til someone does something.the more who do it the more chance of being heard.

    Comment by lynnleeds — December 26, 2011 @ 8:12 pm

  55. i am spittin bricks.you’re right they dont half give you the runaround trying to get your money when you have won!!!!5.10pm and am waiting for another callback which hasnt happened.pls tell me i dont have to still send sicknotes now i have been placed into one of the 2 groups aka wrag.i understand its only while on appeal and up to tribunal you have to do that.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 11, 2012 @ 5:11 pm

  56. the above comment is me lynnleeds.sorry forgot to log in again.its 3 weeks since i won and am badgering them.my MP is now on the case.my solicitor rang them after sending them letter and copy of tribunal.they wouldnt speak to her saying shes not my rep!!!!!!!she said if you look on the gl24 i think you will find i am.gawd theylie so much its unreal.anyway am digging in.am determined to get what they owe me.am just annoyed its yet more stress and fighting even after i have won.lynnleeds

    Comment by Anonymous — January 11, 2012 @ 5:14 pm

  57. I’m spitting bricks as well old boy, I won my tribunal seven weeks ago and I’m still waiting to hear from the DWP, so it’s like this when you lose an appeal you hear from the DWP within a week, when you win an appeal you never hear from them again…LOL.
    And you are correct, you do not need to send in a sick/fit note when you win an appeal, but that doesn’t stop these bozos from sending you a letter demanding you have to send one in, if they do insist just phone them and explain the situation, mind you I phoned them and the Idiot on the other end of the phone swore blind I still had to send in a note, so what I did was I just didn’t comply, just totally ignored them and they got the message eventually.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 11, 2012 @ 8:07 pm

  58. old boy lol.have i grown something:Pyep yer right if we had lost we would have been shoved into the whole process again right away.all we can do is keep epstering them until they finally cough up.theres no way they keeping my money.my mp should be at em tomorrow giving em some stick.am gonna be a bigger pain up their backside than theyve been up mine.

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 11, 2012 @ 8:13 pm

  59. You will get it eventually, but sorry to be the one to tell you that they don’t go out of their way, so try and be like me and be patient, maybe for me it’s next week and that will be two months, that’s nearly a grand the buggers owe me.

    These people in the DWP are working class people they are not upper class like Cameron, but they treat their own folks like dirt, they know what they are doing is totally immoral, but still the horror goes on, the type of people that would slot in to some dreadful place like Belsen or Treblinka as guards and wouldn’t think twice about it in fact would relish and love every minute every second…!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 11, 2012 @ 8:15 pm

  60. i totally agree they have swinging bricks for hearts.one day god willing they will become ill forced to give up work and go through what every one of us has done.then see how they fair.

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 11, 2012 @ 8:17 pm

  61. Well you did introduce yourself as Anonymous old thing…!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 11, 2012 @ 10:32 pm

  62. i know lol i signe din but it didnt show.well the house of lords played a blinder in the news eh?but the dwp n govt says theyre still carrying on doing what theyre doing.will see how far this one goes.

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 12, 2012 @ 1:11 pm

  63. Hello Lynn.

    You do not have to supply a sick note if you have won a tribunal, trust me, they did the same to me and I called them up and told them that I do not have to supply a sick note because I won my tribunal the week before, the guy at the other end of the phone insisted and even asked his line manager for a confirmation, he came back and said yes Sir it’s confirmed by my boss you do have to send in a sick note.
    So I sent them a letter, and pointed out that on such and such a date the tribunal upheld my appeal and as you know (WINK WINK) a sick note is no longer needed.
    Saying as you know on your letter to them, will do the trick..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 14, 2012 @ 10:45 am

  64. ok will give that a whirl will pen a letter today and send it.sorry for moaning.it just seems they keep the misery going for the hell of it.thanks

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 14, 2012 @ 10:46 am

  65. have written saying my tribunal was upheld on 21st dec,as you know i no longer need sicknotes sending in.then i put have checked with solicitor,welfare rights benefits officer and ibwrag.

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 14, 2012 @ 11:02 am

  66. That’s right, was upheld in your favour on the 21st, don’t worry about it, I know it’s a flippen pain, but we all have to go through this hassle with these idiots it’s par for the course.
    I mentioned somewhere on the Blog that I won my appeal 7 weeks ago and so far haven’t even had an acknowledgment from the DWP let alone receiving any backdated money they owe.
    It’s all designed to annoy us and stress us out so that we give up and just go and sign on, they are just a bunch of monsters with no heart or social conscience.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 14, 2012 @ 11:13 am

  67. no i havent had acknowledgement or callbacks when have rung so they stonewalling.woe betide them if they do stop my money after receiving this letter off me.i will raise holy hell.they break their own rules and lie so much its a wonder the devil himself hasnt come and bitten em all on the arse.he needs to.i wish them all no sleep constant worry and stress like we’ve all had with a final wish that every time they go to the loo its to shit pineapples lol .sorry but its way i feel.i wont give up they can go tittle before i will give in to them.thanks for the help.

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 14, 2012 @ 11:18 am

  68. Lynn.

    By pure coincidence this letter just came through my door, half an hour ago, I will type it in for you to see.

    ABOUT YOUR EMPLOYMENT AND SUPPORT ALLOWANCE.

    Please note you do not need to send us any further medical certificates, this is because you are in or will be going onto the main phase of employment and support allowance. You will receive or have already received a separate letter about this. We have also sent a letter to your Doctor.

    You will still need to attend for an assessment if we ask you.

    Where to get more information.

    If you want more information about anything in this letter, please get in touch with us.
    The phone number and address are at the top of this letter.

    I hope this helps put your mind at rest Lynn, so forget it, just send the letter and get on with living your life.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 14, 2012 @ 12:31 pm

  69. sounds great i hope i get a letter like that too.well done and good luck with getting your money .thanks for letting me know appreciate it.

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 14, 2012 @ 12:36 pm

  70. hi me again lol.am just wondering are you still on low rate esa like i am?i thought mine would have been changed to full rate now as its a month weds since i won.i have mentioned it in my letter to them.am still on same rate as when i was on appeal.

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 14, 2012 @ 9:09 pm

  71. hi nelson.yes my mp sent me a letter stating he is not happy with whats happening regarding getting my esa sorted and backpay.i emailed him all my details and he said he is going to take this up onmy behalf.a fact i also mentioned to them in the letter i sent today.i dare say they will have me marked as volatile or a trouble causer for daring to speak up to them but do i care?nope!!!we are all standing up to them and i personally think they started something thats seriously going to bite them big time when it all goes tits up.come on people.power to us.be brave face them and give em hell.and thanks to whoever started this forum.its brought together a lot of people,helped a lot of people and also made us into our own community.we are pioneers because nobodys been there but us.if i can help in any way pls feel free to let me know.i will never give into them and would love to help people who are just starting this horrible journey.3 cheers for this website.

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 14, 2012 @ 9:28 pm

  72. Still on the low rate for the moment, I checked my bank account this afternoon, even though they said they have paid the back date money in to my account, maybe later on in the week then, as I said before it’s all designed to stress you out so that you give up, or so they think, all they are doing is making people even more determined by getting their backs up.
    Don’t forget to log in to the sister forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and learn more on what Cameron and his henchmen have got in store for us in the future.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 15, 2012 @ 2:09 am

  73. hi there its larry here its been a while since i’ve posted on here,i was expecting to post again regarding my appeal tribunal around october,but after waiting 7 months or so they approached me in the waiting area at the appeal tribunal service and just said they had to adjourn that day as running late.they asked me if i wanted an early hearing as soon as possible and naturally i said of course i would. i was thinking this would be maybe the next week or so but i received a letter a week later saying it would be in january the following year almost 3 months additional waiting.i dont know why this would be the case as surely if they are running late then everyone just gets bounced back a sitting but 3 months ? what gives? maybe the fact that i forwarded more evidence on a few occasssions leading up to my october hearing propmted the dwp to ask the tribunal for a time favour ? i dont know. any how the time has finally arrived for this tribunal it is tommorow morning at ten just over 10 months after first being refused esa after having just won an appeal for it 5 months prior to that. i have asbestos related disease of the lungs ,degenerative disc disease along all my spine ,i have a particulary nasty and chronic skin ailment where i’d rather not have it,i have liver problems ,and i suffer from depression as a result of said ailments 3 of which are chronic one even life threatening,i have forwarded letters of findings from my consultants which were accepted and not challenged at all by the dwp last time out ,this time i have testimony by my brother who helps me on a daily basis, further medical reports,and further gp letters from an exasperated gp wh beggining to be more pissed of by these dwp characters than even i am!

    Comment by Anonymous — January 17, 2012 @ 11:45 pm

  74. its larry here again ,iv’e forgotten how to log in correctly though i’ll get to grips with it again i hope. any how i will hope to keep the forum on here up to date with tommorows tribunal hearing hopefully i’ll have a result to instill some confidence back in british fair play and natural justice. it seems ironic that of all the things i complain of and which i can back up medically the atos dr was only interested in debunking the problems i have with mobility ie walking the very problem i was awarded an additional 9 points for last september 2010!he even go’s out of his way to admit i have severe swelling of the lower pelvic area which makes it very difficult to sit or stand in any comfort ,but my spinal problems are of no consequence to my ability to walk? last i knew every one needs their spine and legs to walk i dont know of many hips or spines or coyx that dont move around whilst walking,if a person has difficulty sitting or standing then being underway walking aint going to be any less painfull. we all only have 1 spine and everythings attached to it last i knew . my bro did a bit of research on this atos dr and it turns out he aint a specialist in anything particular,nor is he actually registered to practise as a gp ,and the things he is supposed to have garnered from me in a 45 min examination is downright remarkable,the mental analysis alone would have freud or jung salivating with jealousy. any how i am worn out with all this mental stress regarding these ma tters and i had best save my efforts
    for tommorow and i just hope i get a fair tribunal panel because if its down to fairness i have no worries at all.

    Comment by larry — January 18, 2012 @ 12:03 am

  75. Hi again Larry.

    I think they are resorting to the ATOS tactic of double booking just in case people don’t turn up they have a fresh supply of cadavers, your day was fruitful for them hence the postponment.
    Remember Larry now that they have decided that it is not a medical you attended but a functional assessment you have to prove or convince this panel that your health condition affects your ability to function, an example would be your disc disease inhibits your ability to stand, walk bend etc.
    Good luck and remember the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ let us all know how it went..

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 18, 2012 @ 5:23 am

  76. I’m sure you’ll do ok Larry, just concentrate on getting across how bad it affects your ability to function and you will win, don’t forget what you wrote on your ESA 50 and keep your concentration there and get those points.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 18, 2012 @ 5:30 am

  77. hi there i’ll start this brief post by announcing my long awaited for(10 months) success at my latest appeal.my appeal on wedensday 18th was first time slot, and the dr, and presiding judge were inquisitive in thier questioning of me on medical matters,ie how my ailments of which i have a few, effect me on an everyday basis.they arrived at the same decision that was rendered on sept 2010 taking into my account my difficulties with mobility ,that is walking ,and my inability to be able to sit or stand in comfort for any period, due to my spinal condition.again i was awarded a further 9 points on a basic 6 i was awarded by the atos hcp.they did not seem to rate the atos hcp’s report at all and they were more than a little peeved that again for a third year running the dwp preffered not to show, and basically wing it on the basis of the scantiest of rebuttles to my drs, and my consultants, and my brothers, and my own personal testimony.i am receiving treat ment for depression due to 3 of my ailments, or conditions, being chronic ,two of those ,degenerative and one of those(asbestos) being potentially fatal.i was rated 66 points by cab representative, who did a sterling job preparing submissions for me, my brother was a little dismayed that the presiding tribunal were content with my spinal problems only. though i am starting to understand the political, shall we say, undercurrent that runs alongside all this dwp ,esa controversy,and the pressure the gov is bringing to bare, on a hard pressed tribunal service, to recommend most folks, short of imminent death, for a the wrag group if they do have to get an award of some sort. this enables the gov to start the whole process again,hoping to sicken you into submission if you dont go raving bonkers first, or succumb physically , through a seizure of some sort.i am seriously considering legal action for physical and extreme mental anquish if i receive a medical appointment letter or esa renewal anytime soon in the post. my advice to any one going in front of the tribunal, is just be as honest as you can when being asked about how things affect you ,and make sure you garner every bit of relevant info and medical testimony ,and drs reports you can and help make the presiding tribunals job easier.if you have a genuine case then what the dwp will forward, will usually be a load of half baked tosh which a well honed proffessional on a tribunal panel will see through with ease,so keep your composure ,assist the tribunal and allow your eveidence and testimony to kick the dwp and atos into the short grass.once again thanks to my brother who not only helps me on an almost daily basis, but is good enough to listen to me ramble ,whilst typing it all down for me,enabling me to keep the forum posted. good luck all, with your appeals, and managing your conditions.

    Comment by larry — January 20, 2012 @ 12:40 am

  78. Cheers Larry…And thanks for getting back to us, I hope we helped a bit as well, cheers to the CAB and your brother it’s good to see another success story and lends credence to our fight against this dreadful money making regime called ATOS.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 20, 2012 @ 4:41 am

  79. hi now how you are all feeling went for a medical had a lady doctor she made me feel like a child. she spent nearly all the time on the compter and look at me as if i was not telling the truth. had been throw breast cancer and had a atro bypass opertion. then got a letter and my money was stopped have no faith in the goverment.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 20, 2012 @ 3:27 pm

  80. Hello Anonymous.

    I hope you are going to appeal, you can get help here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ you do not have to sign on when appealing you can still get money etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 20, 2012 @ 4:08 pm

  81. yes do appeal.its scary but worth it trust us.we have all been through this.this forum is brill for good advice from people who have lived this horrible experience.we are all here to help.dont give in to them and dont listen to the dwp.you are entitled to low rate esa while on appeal ie 20 percent less income than you had.fill in the gl24 and grab yourself a welfare rights benefit officer or solicitor.

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 21, 2012 @ 8:51 am

  82. as for myself.the story so far total refusal to acknowledge i won so my mp and my solicitor have now written demanding to know what the hell thay are playing at.my solicitor is also lodging a formal complaint to darra singh the new jobcentre plus chief executive,watch this space.i say that tonuge in cheek as its saturday morning and am fully expexcting some form of shitty letter designed to panic me all over the weekend when i cant get hold of them lol.any news on your money yet dwp?4 and half weeks and counting here lol

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 21, 2012 @ 8:54 am

  83. Hi Lynn.

    Sorry I couldn’t get back to you sooner, yes I received my money sometime between Monday and Saturday, went to the bank on Saturday and it was there, so we are talking around six and a half weeks to seven weeks wait, I suppose it just depends on how busy they are, I prefer to wait a little longer if it means it will keep them hog tied every day and up to their eye balls in work. The letter from Darra Singh will almost certainly be a template by the way.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 22, 2012 @ 9:02 pm

  84. yep will be interesting to see if he replies and what he says.aww am glad you got your money sweetheart.well done you.well i havent had any mail off them.am awaiting their response to my as you know letter lol.i think i am being a right royal pain cos my solicitor wont let it lie lol.with my mp wading in too i reckon they will have me marked as a troublecauser lol.

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 22, 2012 @ 9:07 pm

  85. Something should be done about this miscommuncating light between the tribunal service and the DWP and then us the so called customer (Have you ever bought anything from the DWP or ATOS ?),
    I don’t believe it’s the fault of the tribunal service because if you lose an appeal then the DWP let you know within a week this means obviously that the tribunal service are getting on with it. And of course if you win then there is no hurry for the DWP to get back to you whatsoever..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 22, 2012 @ 9:41 pm

  86. well the dwp have had 3 copies of my results one off tribunal and 2 off my solicitors yet they still buggering about.will see what the post brings this week if anything.all theyre doing is throwing a deaf un as they do when people win.but i wont let them am at them every verse end.they should end up paying me if only to keep me off their backs lol.i been ringing them pestering and with my letters,mps letter and numerous ones off solicitor its probably stressing them out lmao.good!!!!!!!!!the only thing the dwp and atos could sell is manure.theyre ruddy full of it.if i ever win lottery,i plan to hire a muckspreader full and spray all their offices with as much shit as theyeve given me lol.yep if had lost they would have been at me straight after xmas.its alld esigned to piss us off like you said.but in reality its making me stronger.and more determined for when they start the merry go round of it all again.

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 22, 2012 @ 9:48 pm

  87. congrats dwp on finally receiving whats rightfully yours,pity we all have to carry on in this manner to receive help from a so called caring society.and you keep at them lynn in that churchillian manner and they’ll realise how their heroes the nazis felt back in 45. i got renumerated shall we say pretty speedily last time around so i aint anticipating any speedy recompense this tim e around no siree! any hassle be it financial or otherwise this time and its my brief who’ll be speaking to em. also a belated thanks to all the very welcome encouragement i’ve received on here ,and i’m beggining to think the nation may be waking up a little to the scandal that is unfolding around benefits etc!

    Comment by larry — January 22, 2012 @ 10:08 pm

  88. If you win the lottery then take them for an expensive court case that they would almost certainly lose due to the evidence from all the fabricated functional assessments forwarded from people they have lied to over the last three years at least.
    By the way, they used to call it a medical assessment but it seems they ran in to problems calling it a medical, so now it’s a functional assessment. Their twisted logic runs like this, if one has a brain tumour or lung cancer then they can walk cant they ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 22, 2012 @ 10:24 pm

  89. they would tell a glass eye on life support it was fit!!!

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 22, 2012 @ 10:28 pm

  90. hi larry am 5 weeks on wednesday since i won and they point blank hevnt acknowledged it but i intend to make damn sure they cough up.am actually enjoying pestering them lol.

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 22, 2012 @ 10:30 pm

  91. The nation is beginning to wake up Larry but it’s still a long hard road, this Government is the most ruthless Government since the Tories from the 1920s. Cameron admitted on the Andrew Marr show last week that he doesn’t care if he loses the election as long as he believes he’s doing the right thing, probably what he meant to say was I don’t give a toss if your lives are fucked up as long as my friends and I before we go screw you all for everything we can get.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 22, 2012 @ 10:31 pm

  92. at last a letter of ackowledgement off the dwp that i won.it says am entitled to 96 pounds odd per week from 7th july last year when they stopped my money.no mention of when my money is going up or when i will receive arrears but its a start!!!

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 24, 2012 @ 10:29 am

  93. thats great news lynn,nice to hear your getting there,so what group exactly have they placed you in? and would you consider appealing the grouping if your not happy? hope to be able to get back on later when feeling better to natter a touch more . catch you’s later!

    Comment by larry — January 24, 2012 @ 10:42 am

  94. hi larry they placed me into the work related activity group.yes i would consider appealing it if my condition goes downhill fast.i have degenerative osteo arthritis

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 24, 2012 @ 10:49 am

  95. Hi Lynn.

    Yes same here 96 odds, and you can expect yours anytime, hope it’s soon because you have waited long enough..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 24, 2012 @ 10:53 am

  96. so has your money gone up then or still waiting?

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 24, 2012 @ 11:11 am

  97. hi there again forum folks. just dropping a line to let you’s know i’ve received notification of my new payement level,and the arrears coming to me. it is informing me that i will be in receipt of£ 91.40 pw from day of my decision,and naturally the back monies are paid to me at what ever the level was over that period i presume it was the same amount. and in april it will be around £94.25 per week.,i have aked my cab representative what i can do in that situation,she says until the law is changed we all just have to bare it, and up our veracity on confronting them,i dont think she was of the opinion that a private action for harrasement would serve a purpose, though i ‘m still sure if someone just enacted one, we could force the issue at lords and euro level,this behaviour of the gov is just plain wrong . i’m so exhausted by all this that i aint even in a hurry to check bank to see if they forwarded the back monies, i’d hate to see the figure i’ve made my self even more ill for! i presume once they have informed me of the amount that they are ready to forward it.

    Comment by larry — January 26, 2012 @ 1:15 pm

  98. crikey that was quick.i havent had any letter confirming when my money is going up or about arrears lol.they must actually work in your area haha instead of sitting thinkin how to make folks lives a misery.well done you.oh dont worry if this malarky keeps up i am planning a few things.fearless freddy here lol.am so pleased you have been sorted out so quickly.my letter just said i would be on 96 per week but no start date yet.you can relax for a few mths now anyway kiddo well done.

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 26, 2012 @ 1:18 pm

  99. i know john packer the right rev who vetoed the benefits cap so thats one avenue.the other is i know some of the members of lords from leeds and also i intend to kick up a storm at the way they treating people by any means i can.we been brought together by adversity and we survived even if we feel crappy.at least now we are forearmed and know the procedure.i have friends who are mps who are dead set against this cruelty one being fabian hamilton mp.am not letting it lie just cos i won.am determined to make them see we wont lie over and play dead. you enjoy spending your money lad.i know i will.yes its made us ill but also made us stronger.

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 26, 2012 @ 1:30 pm

  100. Hello Larry.

    With the DWP muppets presume nothing and approach with caution, just because they say they will do something doesn’t mean they will rush to do it, as always when dealing with the DWP patience really is a virtue.
    As for taking them to court, that’s not a problem the chances are you will win no problem because there are to many witnesses to their crimes and will be only too happy to give you all the assistance you need, just make sure you have an extremely large bank account though, because you are going to need it.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 26, 2012 @ 2:31 pm

  101. hey dwp yer around lol.was wondering if you were ok.has your money gone up now?reason am asking is my payday is weds and wondered if mine would go up.but i guess like you say its wait and see.

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 26, 2012 @ 2:35 pm

  102. Well I did say…….I also remembered the song ”I KNOW THEM SO WELL” LOL. Anyway you will get the captain cash Lynne just take each day as it comes, it’s best that you get used to it because as long as these muppets are in charge of running this big giant muppet show, there’s more of the same on the way..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 26, 2012 @ 2:35 pm

  103. Hi Lynne.

    Think of the things you can do with that money, choose any charity, give to the poor, this isn’t blood money it’s a fee nothing, fee nothing, fee nothing more. FROM THE MASTERPIECE ALBUM ”JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR”

    I didn’t give mine to charity though, I spent it on myself…LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 26, 2012 @ 2:40 pm

  104. yep and more and more of us too which is good.am glad yer ok.i got my money earmarked for stuff for the flat.least i will have nice things to look at while am plotting lmao.am glad yer ok.

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 26, 2012 @ 2:41 pm

  105. charity begins at home lol good for you:)

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 26, 2012 @ 3:16 pm

  106. Hi I had my appeal yesterday and was turned down, I had got the points to be transferred from ib to esa but they had placed me on the wrag group, the nurse who assed me said that Wouldn’t be returning to full time employment but she said that I could walk over 200 yards before feeling severe pain and now I worried that I will lose my dla and motability car that I depend upon, my gp had arranged an xray to show the damage to my ankle,I had a motorbike accident and spent a year in hospital and two years before returning to work in the railway and then continued to work for the next twenty seven years the railway gave me a light job and after an operation to cut and tie veins to try and stop varicose ulcers failed to help I was told to elevate my leg for half an hour every now and then as I had chronic veinous insuffisency as well as arthritis the railway said they could not othorise this and had to let me go,my right leg is two inches shorter than the left and is twisted so it is affecting my spine,I’m in such pain and dont sleep well I’m just exhausted, after the tribunal nobody said that I could appeal their desision do you know if you can do that. Kindest Regards

    Comment by Colin McGilvray — January 26, 2012 @ 7:02 pm

  107. hi colin sorry to hear you were turned down.as for appealing a tribunal,you can appeal to an upper tribunal but you have to prove the first tier triubunal broke some law.you can appeal to dwp and give as much medical evidence as possible backed by gp xrays etc and see if that will work.get your mp and anyone else on board who has any clout.i wish you the best.

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 26, 2012 @ 7:13 pm

  108. Hi Colin.

    Did you have any representation with you at the appeal ? like the CAB or Welfare rights ? if so you can ask the rep to apply for a statement of reasons on your behalf, a statement of reasons is what it says, a statement of reasons of their justification of denying you the support group, if not and you want to appeal then you really need help to forward a possible submisssion because there is a lot of hoops to jump through.
    Once you see the statement of reasons then you can decide if they have broken the law, if they have then you can appeal to the second tier tribunal.

    But can I suggest something else Colin, the difference between the WRAG and support group in monetary terms is around £5 odds, and the work focused interview you may be asked to attend is a formality because when the adviser sees how bad you are physically it’s unlikely you will be asked back.
    Also bear in mind that these interviews although you are forced to attend, they cannot force you to take a job. So think again, is it really worth appealing for £5 odds. The decision is yours of course, personally I couldn’t be bothered with the hassle.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 26, 2012 @ 8:52 pm

  109. hi there again forums,i’m just dropping yous a line to say i got a letter asking me to send a sick note in although i’ve won my esa appeal and have been placed in the wrag group,so i’ve written of to the dwp to inform them of their error with proof of my win, and the actual letter they sent me informing me that i was indeed in the wrag group .this letter was dated a day after the sick note letter and sent by exactly the same dwp office! also i’d like to inform the forum that again like last year, i have received my back monies exactly a week after my victory,it sadly do’s not seem to be the case for most folk on here,i’m beggining to wonder if there’s something they-DWP- know that i dont,its starting to worry me a little.

    Comment by larry — January 27, 2012 @ 7:57 am

  110. hi larry congrats on getting your backpay.treat yourself to something nice now:)they always know things.the goalposts are moved every day in an effort to make us give up.theyve misjudged us because we wont.all they are doing is annoying the hell out of everyone and making them fight more.i have to say i lost last year cos it was consumed with them and their treatment of me and many others.it ruined 2011.

    Comment by lynnleeds — January 27, 2012 @ 8:55 am

  111. So Larry you got your money within a week did you ? they must like you ? maybe they are lining you up for one of those new a jobs in Job centre plus……..LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 27, 2012 @ 10:09 am

  112. Hi Lynn and dwpexaminations thank you for your support, I had been to the job centre for the first time ever and that was before the appeal and the lady there put on the computer that there was no likelyhood of me returning to work she also said that she would just phone to see if there had been any changes and not have me coming in which is great but what I am worried about is losing the dla as the nurse had said that I could walk over two hundred yards before feeling pain, now at the appeal they said they would only accept new evidence from when I had the assesment and did not look at the radiographers report on my ankle because the nurse had said that my foot does not move but on the report it says that I have anterior osteophyte formation which is boney spurs growing on the joint also that the joint and forefoot were degenerating, well when I filled in assesment forms and for dla I only said that I had been told infection had got into the joint so I would say that was new evidence. What do you guys think. Kindest Regards Colin

    Comment by Colin McGilvray — January 27, 2012 @ 12:10 pm

  113. Colin..It’s difficult to see how it can affect your DLA if you have won appeal for ESA, but it has happened to some people and they have had to appeal, but if the worst does happen then an appeal with a win is the way.
    You can always get new evidence if you need it while waiting..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 27, 2012 @ 1:42 pm

  114. Hi dwpexaminations I contacted my mp’s office and they have said the same that the dla can’t be touched and if any payments are stopped I have to contact them and they said to wait for the written verdict to see what they have said and then if need be to contact them which I will be doing because when this new pip payment comes in things are going to get a lot more harder.
    Kindest Regards
    Colin

    Comment by Colin McGilvray — January 27, 2012 @ 6:37 pm

  115. I am on employment support alliance and i went to a medial assessment and scored 0 then i applied and won and got backdated money now after 3 month I have received a letter that i have to fill in a esa50 form again and then I assume I have to go to a medical assessment for the 2nd time its like they are causing stress to me and making my illness more worse what was the point me winning the appeal first time any one can help?

    Comment by Anonymous — January 28, 2012 @ 6:48 pm

  116. Hello Anonymous.

    I wish I had my second ESA 50 just lately, they gave me my first one over three years ago and haven’t stopped since, assessed and refused ESA, appeal and win, assessed and refused ESA and so on and that has been my experience of ATOS ever since.
    You are obviously unaware that since OCT 2008 the goalposts changed, the object was/is to get as many people of sickness benefits as possible, some say the Governments ambition was one million, well so far they have failed, even though they tried every dirty trick in the book, even though they fabricated thousands of medical and functional assessments and even after all that they still couldn’t achieve their figures.
    They had some success for a few months because people didn’t know or weren’t sure of their rights but because people are now slowly but surely getting to know their rights and people are appealing in droves the Government are frustrated because they are not getting the figures that they promised, now a new set of descriptors were brought in starting May last year, these new descriptors are so draconian (as if the last ones weren’t draconian enough) that the chances of being found unfit for work has become highly problematic for the majority of people with health problems, it seems now you have to be a head on a cushion before you can qualify for ESA and therefore receive help and support in to work in the future. Sorry I don’t have any good news to tell you because as far as this Government and their idiotic assessments via ATOS are in place things will never change.
    You/we might not know who to vote for but you definitely know who not to vote for in the future…!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 28, 2012 @ 8:15 pm

  117. Hi can any one give me some advice please I got my tribunal in 2 weeks & to say im worried is an under statement but I have been told if I do win my appeal will prob be placed in the work related group even though ive gt oa ibs deformed painful feet depression & suffer panic attacks & walk with the aid of crutches who is going to give me a job & have also been told thati will only be allowed esa for 1 or 2 years anyone know if this is true help worried mam of 2 !!

    Comment by sharon price — January 31, 2012 @ 3:14 pm

  118. Hello Sharon.

    Let’s look at your problems one by one, you seem confident you will win the appeal and judging by your health conditions you described then I would have to agree with you.
    But you fear being put in to the WRAG, the difference in monetary terms is £5 and the condition they impose which is compulsory attendance at the Job centre to help with support in to work is nothing to worry about because in your condition the advisor will see that at least for the moment there is no chance of you working, and the chances of them dragging you back there is almost zero, so it’s just going to be a one off, so looking at it that way is it really worth all the hassle to get on the support group for an extra £5 per week.

    Your other worry regarding ESA is a little more complicated because you don’t say if you are on contributory ESA or income related, I am assuming for the moment it is contributory ESA if so then there was certain conditions, you could have £16,000 or more in the bank, or you have a partner who is working and earning £149 per week or more. if so then your entitlement will indeed stop after a certain amount of time, this is an injustice and we have been trying to oppose it here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ if you are on income related ESA then as long as your circumstances stays the same (you don’t come in to some money) then they will continue to pay you as long as you are entitled to ESA income related. Unfortunately if you save money they punish you..!!
    Let us know how your appeal went Sharon !!

    Comment by dwpexamination — January 31, 2012 @ 4:18 pm

  119. hi sharon don’t worry you will win because the benifit your claming is not job seekers alliance the benefit your claming is Esa for your illness its nothing to do with a job the benefit people are twisted the work related group is to make you go back to work but you are not looking for a job the whole point of you going to a tribunal is because of that consult a solicitor straight away after winning your appeal they will try to do the same thing again after couple of month. the peace of paper will be given to you by the tribunal is says

    The appeal is allowed
    the decision of the secretary of sate issued on —/—/2012 is set aside
    This is because reg 29 Esa regulations 2008 applies as there would be a substantial risk to this persons physical health if were found not to have limited capability for work

    s price is entitled to employment and support allowance (ESA)

    So keep that peace of paper as your proof so that you can use this against them.

    After word if you have problem say to the benefit people that I want every thing in writing all your policy and regulation others why they are falsely making everything up that you are fit for work even if you have cancer they say you can walk they get cought when you go to tribunal.

    Comment by Anonymous — January 31, 2012 @ 4:48 pm

  120. hey dwp my money finally went in this morning and guess what haha?you couldnt write this.i went in to post office and all the pin machines in every post office in leeds went down.i was able to check balance at atm outside but i only have post office account so will be go back tomorrow and try again and hope the machines are fixed lol.

    Comment by lynnleeds — February 1, 2012 @ 5:59 pm

  121. Hello Lynn.

    It never rains but it pours is the old Russian saying, anyway you won’t get to sleep tonight thinking of the things you can do with that money, try and keep some though because the slimy hand of ATOS will be back, sooner than you think..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 1, 2012 @ 6:19 pm

  122. without a doubt they will indeed.am going to stock up on food too so when that time comes i wont be stuck like last year.

    Comment by lynnleeds — February 1, 2012 @ 6:56 pm

  123. great news on finally getting your monies lynn,i think comments on putting a bit money back is good advice because the onslaught on unfortunate folk is set to get more intense,allways a little easier to fight em with as much back up as you can muster and that includes grub also.

    Comment by larry — February 1, 2012 @ 8:52 pm

  124. hi there forum folks,just dropping a line to let you’s know that i’ve been called in for a personal advisor interview at my local job centre,if its anything like the last one the young lady will ask me what my problems are,and when i explain them to her ,she’ll sit shaking her head and basically ask me why i’m there.i’m currently trying to shake of bad chest infection which has me bring up heavy blood and sputum,this wont be gone by friday thats for sure the asbestos doesnt relent for dwp matters sadly. so when the time comes to bring a big one up from the bowels of my lungs, then i dont give a damn where it go’s all over my back to work help plan hopefully,though i have nothing personal against the personal advisor, i reckon they must be fearing losing their jobs, or falling ill by now, they are certainly seeing the results of these gov policies up close thats for sure. after two successfull appeals it would seem i’m in front of a personal advisor on friday for nothing other than the gov whats to save around five pounds and hopefully kill me off into the bargain!

    Comment by larry — February 8, 2012 @ 8:20 am

  125. Larry…It’s just number crunching, the person that sent your file over to the WFA doesn’t even know what your problems are, you could have Bubonic Plague for all they care..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 8, 2012 @ 9:11 am

  126. I won my tribunal in Oct 2011, haven’t heard from DWP the only correspondence received on 3 occasions to tell me my medical certificate has run so have been forwarding them but reading this blog realised I needn’t have done so for the past 3 months the current one runs out in April.
    Re my backpayments my WRO has called them twice,last time called 10 days ago and was told there is a note on the system and to call back in 2 weeks time.This whole process has had a severe knock on effect on my health,I worked for 36 years due to no fault of mine was made redundant few years ago,I suffer with severe ibs,anxiety,depression and have knee and back problem.To get something back for when you are in need of after contributing all your life DWP/ATOS had made me feel like I am a scounger which made my condition worse.£67.45 a week is all I get no other help, I feel so angry I am nearly 58 and would have carried on working till retirement if I hadn’t been made redundant and became ill due to it all,
    This site has given me lots of courage and will to fight these people.
    AB

    Comment by Anonymous — February 16, 2012 @ 4:34 pm

  127. hi can anyone tell me if you dont win a tribunal do you still get the arrears as we have gone into debt owing to not getting all the money my son is supposed to live on, so he could not give me any keep , he has chronic anxiety and social phobia and has been quite bad his tibunal is in march im really worried that he wont get the arrears to be able to catch up with bills.

    Comment by julie — February 24, 2012 @ 5:36 am

  128. Hello Julie.

    First of all Julie I have to ask you are you getting any money while you are waiting for the appeal to be heard ? you should be getting the assessment rate up until now ?.

    So let’s assume you are getting the assessment rate, and god forbid your son loses the appeal then what will happen is that you will receive a letter from the DWP telling you (son) to sign on, there will be no mention of arrears because there will not be any on the other hand you will owe them nothing and will have to make a new claim, do not sign on though because you can re-apply for ESA as long as at least 6 months have passed and there has been a worsening of the claimants condition.

    (ps) I would suggest that losing an appeal would worsen anyone’s condition due to the unwanted extra stress.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 24, 2012 @ 10:23 am

  129. Hi thank for that information so prompt
    he does get assesment stage money, but not enough to give me any keep as natually he needs some i dont understand why he wont get his arrears as he is on esa at the time of assesment and going to a tribunal we still have to live in that time it seems so unfair, what can i do to improve our chances of passing the tribunal , when we went to the assesment the nurse checked him for physical stufff, even though he was clearly stressed at the time and only gave him 6 points so hence the tribunal, his doctor says he is not fit for work , will it go against us if we mention that my son has tried 3 times to do a collge course to try to get integrated and give him confidence with people, scott had home tutoring from age 14 due to his condition so has no qualifications from school.also you are not allowed to do any education full-time as scott would like to do as he missed out at school i have been up all night worrying about him it affects families too i have been tryng to get over deprssion too and have recently failed my tribunal. feeels like no one wants too help. hope im not going on too much its nice to talk to people who understand talk soon

    Comment by julie — February 24, 2012 @ 11:03 am

  130. Hi Julie.

    It would help at the tribunal if he had a favourable report from his GP, and also some representation for the tribunal like a welfare rights officer.

    To get a report from your/his GP you should contact your local legal advice centre (welfare rights can tell you their addressees) and ask for legal aid, it is means tested, so if you take bank statements it will speed the process, and explain that you would like them to request a medical report from your GP on your sons behalf, the GP will send for your son and give him a full medical check and also give his opinion on your sons health on a medical report, which you will receive a copy from the legal folk, the GP will charge the legal aid board the fee. And when you turn up at the tribunal you can hand the report to the clerk before your son get’s called.

    You have nothing to lose because if the medical report from your GP doesn’t raise a smile on your face then there is nothing in law that says you need to show the tribunal, or even tell them you have a report, they won’t know unless you tell them.

    At the tribunal the Doctor and Judge on there will ask questions like can you (your son) visit new places on his own etc, if your son says he is scared to visit places on his own and would rather not go to the new place, then he should receive points for that especially if he has support on the GPs medical report, there are other similar questions regarding mental health and I can’t help here because it is something you need to think about and get sorted before you go to the tribunal. Bear in mind that any questions from the tribunal will relate to what you/he have put on the ESA 50 questionnaire.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 24, 2012 @ 2:37 pm

  131. Meant to say, if your son had tried to attend college to gain confidence but couldn’t go because he was afraid of new places on his own etc then as long as it’s the truth and the panel are convinced it’s the truth then it would help in my humble opinion, he has 6 points to start, only 9 points to get, so concentrate on those descriptors he is contending the Physical stuff doesn’t matter to the panel because he is not contending them anyway..!!
    Or is he ? I don’t have enough information to help you more..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 24, 2012 @ 2:43 pm

  132. HI again
    thanks so much for the help, no its just his mental health that they seem to be unable to understand and it has just taken over his life just because someone looks strong it does not always follow that they are, its hard for even scott to explain sometimes and hes the one who is living with it. let you how i get on after the tribunal which is on the 7th of march by the way, still a bit nervous bout the whole thing for scotts sake as well,
    Speak soon watch this space

    Comment by julie — February 24, 2012 @ 8:09 pm

  133. Julie…I hope for a good result, if the worst comes to the worst well there’s always the chance to re-apply for ESA that’s all there is bar signing on for JSA, remember 6 months have to pass since the date he was informed by the DWP that he was fit for work before he can re-apply, and not 6 months from the date of the ATOS assessment.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 24, 2012 @ 8:33 pm

  134. Hi guys.I won my ESA tribunal on the 14/02 after 9 long months of waiting for it.iI have struggled on assesment rate ESA all this time and with 3 sons it has been an immense struggle I am dishearted to read on her how long it can take for most peoples correct ESA rate and backpay to be paid.I will be only two weeks on tuesday since my decision and it seems I will have to wait a few weeks or perhaps months till iys sorted its so unfair.I have been placed in the support group by the tribunal.Why is there such a delay.The stress and strain of a tribunal is enough and now the worry continues untill they pay you what you are owed.

    Comment by Rozzi — February 25, 2012 @ 1:45 pm

  135. Hello Rozzi.

    Yes it is unfair, and it’s unfair for a reason, you had the audacity to question their judgement, YOU HAD THE ABSOLUTE CHEEK TO DARE APPEAL AGAINST THEIR DECISION TO FIND YOU FIT FOR WORK, and god forbid you actually won your appeal, don’t you realise they have been made to look like incompetent fools ? and now Rozzi they are going to punish you by taking their time in letting you know officially that you have won your appeal, and they are going to take their time in paying you what is rightfully yours.
    I don’t know how long they will take before they get their fingers out their ass and comply, I can only tell you that it took 7 weeks before the bastards informed ME.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 25, 2012 @ 5:28 pm

  136. I have a feeling that like you my wait is going to run into months rather than weeks and in the meantime I have to continue to struggle like I have done for the past 9 months.The anxiety and stress over the past almost a year has been unbearable and after going to tribunal I thought it would end but it still contnues there is no light at the end of the tunnel with these people cos I have no doubt that the minute my correct ESA payment and back pay is sorted they will have me in for another ATOS medical which I have no doubt they will fail me on and the the whole thing will start again.

    Comment by Rozzi — February 25, 2012 @ 6:51 pm

  137. Rozzi…I won my latest tribunal on the 25th of Novemeber 2011, it was seven weeks before they told me (If you lose an appeal it only takes them a week to inform you) and two weeks ago I received a new ESA 50 questionnaire to be returned by the 7th of March 2012.

    The longer you wait to be informed, I suppose the longer you get to stay on ESA.

    I will return my ESA questionnaire at the end of the month, just a couple of bits to tidy up, of it will go and the whole rigmarole will start again..!!
    Should get called for an interrogation say the middle of March, so that’s a total of four months on ESA, this will be my life until we get rid of these people who do not have a mandate to Govern us.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 25, 2012 @ 7:19 pm

  138. hi
    forgot to ask where do i find a welfare rights officer and do i have to pay them and wiil they have to know scotts case and what he goes through in order to help us, also the doctor i think will only give me a letter to take to the tribunal which only says the basics about how long he has been going to the doctors and his medication hes on.
    thank you

    Comment by julie — February 27, 2012 @ 4:56 pm

  139. Hello Julie.

    Your nearest city will have a welfare rights office, just look up the number and phone them and ask if they can help with any problems you have, welfare rights is free and payed for by the taxpayer, so is the Citizens advice bureau, phone them as well they may be able to help, if you can get help from welfare rights they will advise what to do next, I suspect they will advise you to inform the DWP to forward your case notes to them, and they will figure out what the best strategy for the tribunal will be.

    You should ask the Doctor to state on the letter a little more than the basics, for instance what his health problems are and how long he has had those health issues, and how they affect his ability to work, that is the main thing the tribunal is interested in, how does his health problems affect his ability to function in a work place.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 27, 2012 @ 5:10 pm

  140. ok thank you
    Good advice as ever i wiil try and get an more in depth letter talk soon

    Comment by julie — February 27, 2012 @ 8:47 pm

  141. hi there again forum,just on here to say i have had my work advisor interview,and just like last year the young lady who saw me,remebered me from last year, and seemed a little perlplexed at why i was back . after discussing my situation with her about my spine, and problems with the asbestos chest condition, and my depression, hernia and skin condition she was happy that she would only be required to see me once more.i really feel as though i was wasting her proffessional time with 3 million or so out of work a lot with families as well,surely her efforts would best be served by trying to help those folks, rather than a burned out old wheezebag like myself,what waste of precious time and resources.neither myself or the proffessional advisor mentioned could nail down any work or career path i would be able to undertake at this moment in time. but by being in the wag group i suppose i am saving the gov five pound a week and also by continuing to play there silly game i’m keeping other folks in work so its the least i can do i suppose heaven forbid if there aint at least something good coming from all this gov backed persecution!

    Comment by larry — February 27, 2012 @ 10:29 pm

  142. Hi Larry.

    You’ve said it all and answered your own question, the only problem was you had to actually tear yourself away from the comfort of your house, just to go and listen to a load of meaningless drivel..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 27, 2012 @ 11:08 pm

  143. just a questions Guys do you have to be minus a personality or any kind of emotion at all to be a DWP advisor?.Just wondered because whenver I phone they are completley and utterley rude to me.It is bad enough being in the position that you have to be in receipt of benefits in order to live.I feel like screaming this is not my choice i didnt choose to be ill,if it wasnt for the fact i have 3 sons I probably would have give up the ghost ages ago.I am continuing to phone them twice daily untill i get some answers as to when I well be receiving my back pay and correct ESA support group payment.Even though each time I phone they make me feel like the lowest of the low for eving daring to ask them when I will receive the money i am owed.
    I have literally managed on fresh air for the past few months and if i dont get paid v soon I probably wont be able to come online and chat to you guys cos i cant afford this months phone bill so if i disappear you know I how havent been paid.Any suggestions as to how i can hurry this along guys would be gratefully received…..:)…..

    Comment by Anonymous — February 28, 2012 @ 9:35 am

  144. sorry all didnt sign in correctley the previous comment was from me Rozzi…..

    Comment by Rozzi — February 28, 2012 @ 9:36 am

  145. Hello Rozzi.

    The people you were talking to ? the so called advisors ? are nothing of the sort, they are minimum wage muppets, skill less, and the DWP call centre is the only job they can get, they have no past, no present and no future and that is why they are rude.
    I can explain why the DWP decision makers take their time ? it’s because they want you to suffer hardship, they don’t want you to have anything from them that is easy, they are told to do this by the way.
    There is only one thing you can do Rozzi, well there is two things, first is send an e-mail to your Member of Parliament (Google it) and explain politely that you are facing real hardship and can s/he help, if s/he helps you, then you will be paid in at most a couple if days.
    The other is to send a letter to the DWP and explain that you have serious problems surviving and can you help to restore the money they owe, do not mention all the rude calls, just say that you can’t seem to get anywhere with a call etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — February 28, 2012 @ 10:29 am

  146. HI
    YEAH I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE TREATED TOO
    I HAD TO FIND SOME INFORMATION OUT ABOUT MY SON WHO BY THE WAY HAS GIVEN ME APPOINTEE STATUS TO TALK ON HIS BEHALF ON THE PHONE ABOUT HIS CLAIM BECAUSE OF HIS SOCIAL PHOBIA AND THEY THEY WOULDNT PROCEED BECAUSE I COULD NOT REMEMBER HIS PHONE NUMBER
    HE LIVES WITH ME WHY DO I NEED TO RING HIM ALL THE TIME
    MOST PEOPLE WANT WORK BUT THERE ISNT MUCH OUT THERE GOD FORBID WHAT WIIL HAPPEN WHEN I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE JOB CENTRE TO SIGN ON THEY TREAT YOU LIKE DIRT THERE TOO
    IN MY EXPEIRENCE IT HAS BROUTHT OUT MY WORST SIDE MANY TIMES THEY BETTER HELP ME FIND A JOB THIS TIME OR I DONT KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN

    DONT WORRRY ROZZI YOU ARE NOT ALONE IN BEING UNEMPLOYED AND ITS NOT YOUR FAULT THERE ARE NO JOBS

    BUT I DO WISH PEOPLE COULD BE TREATED WITH MORE RESPECT FROM THE JOBCENTRE AND THE DWP AND GIVE CONSTUCTIVE HELP TO GET BACK TO WORK

    Comment by julie — February 29, 2012 @ 1:05 pm

  147. hi thougt someone might comment on my rant the other day maybe not

    i got the doctors letter but again its mainly the basics although he does agree with me that it would cause scott more stress if he goes on to jsa and looses his tribunal so he signed him off a further 6 months but as we know the tribunal goes over the head of the GP and the CAB said they did have a welfare rights person in the office so looks like im on my own to put scotts case im sticking with the CAB though even when im signing on so i know my rights about everything to do with the JOBCENTRE and DWP they are all more slippery than snakes in grass

    Comment by julie — March 2, 2012 @ 12:10 pm

  148. Hello Julie.

    The tribunal will take in to consideration your GPs report, and that’s good news that he has agreed with you on your sons health issues.
    Stick with the CAB that’s a good idea, anyway remember at the tribunal they will want to know and ask questions on your sons ability to work, not what his illness or health issues.
    Would he be a danger to himself and/or others in the work place ? can he follow simple instructions etc, they all matter, but the truth is the main thing.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 2, 2012 @ 2:13 pm

  149. just to say i meant the CAB did NOT have a welfare rights person in their office.

    ok thanks for that i am always honest
    but these days it seems to get any where some people get everything if they are not
    let you know if we win after wed 7th

    Comment by julie — March 3, 2012 @ 9:23 pm

  150. Thanks Julie…Let us know and good luck.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 3, 2012 @ 10:21 pm

  151. Hi all just thought I would keep you all posted.Well three weeks on and still no news from the DWP.NO letter of acknowledgement of my appeal win.NO correct ESA payment and NO backpay.Still im being told the same guff.Im throughly sick of it all now.I have had to send in another sicknote for two months even though I have won and been placed in the support group.I enclosed a letter as well (which was very polite) asking when is this going to get sorted.Im just about at the end of my tether now.How many more people are going through the same thing as me I have literally survived on fresh air for the past 9 months.With a family as well to support it has crippled me.

    Comment by Rozzi — March 5, 2012 @ 3:46 pm

  152. no you dont have to send more sicknotes in once you have won and been placed in a group.write to them and tell them this saying as you know i dont need to supply more sicknotes as i won my tribunal.you only send them up to your tribunal.my good friend dwp told me this .we have all suffered for the last year so totally sympathise.we all been in same boat as you.

    Comment by lynnleeds — March 5, 2012 @ 3:52 pm

  153. Hi I finally got my back payments from Oct 2010, The decesion was made that I passed tribunal in Oct 2011,than last week received a letter from my Jobcentre to attend for an interview on the 12th March, if I don’t attend they will stop my ESA, I am going to hospital for some internal tests on wed and the side-effects might leave me feeling ill for a while so worried what if I cannot go or if I call them they won’t believe me…I am freaking out going to hospital and now this interview, I suffer with severe IBS,anxiety and depression.
    They said in the letter the interview would last up to 1 hour, does anyone know what they would ask and what should I prepare myself for?
    Really worried sick about it, don’t want to go throught the whole appeal/tribunal stuff again….stress of it will set me back even more.
    AB

    Comment by Anonymous — March 5, 2012 @ 7:20 pm

  154. Hello Anonymous.

    That’s the whole purpose of the constant merry go round of ATOS assessment then appeal then ATOS assessment, to induce stress and hope we drop out, they say it’s an hour but they want you out of there as quick as possible because they get a bonus for everyone they find fit for work so naturally the more that they can churn out the more money they can earn, with them that’s what it’s all about.

    The type of questions they ask are ridiculous, can you lift your arm to touch the back of your head ?, can you lift a pint of milk ?, then the less obvious questions designed to catch you out like how did you get to the assessment centre ?, answer it wrong and WISSSSH it’s the Russian front. The questions are all basic and all designed to give you zero points.

    If the worst comes to the worst then you can appeal, that’s what I have done over the last three years and that’s what I’m going to keep doing..!!

    You can get all the help you need with an appeal here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ , and there is also plenty of other useful information on there..!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 5, 2012 @ 7:36 pm

  155. Thank you for your reply dwpexamination……my letter is for interview at the Jobcentre (Employment and Support Allowance Pesonal advisor interview) which I suppose will be followed by ATOS the fake examiners who are there to make people like us feel like we are not worth living despite contributing all our lives working and due to health issues through no fault of ours we are not able to work we are treated like dirt and scoungers.
    Don’t think i am able to go through all that stress again.
    AB

    Comment by Anonymous — March 5, 2012 @ 10:10 pm

  156. HI
    thought id share the news cant beleive it
    WE WON THE TRIBUNAL YIPPEEEEEE mind you scott did have a bad panic attack and i did put his case passionately so they must have thought we were honest enough i thought we were not winning at one point
    just waiting for letters and things
    how long should i wait till i chase up arrears
    i feel like i have won the lottery O M G he he

    Comment by julie — March 7, 2012 @ 8:01 pm

  157. That’s great Julie…unfortunately it can take a while before the money is forwarded to the recipients account, it took seven weeks for mine, some are reporting four weeks, patience, the longer you wait the more money goes in.
    Remember they will be back someday, so use the time from now until then into studying your rights, this Government are wanting to take away the funding from the CAB and the welfare rights, so get to know your rights now and be able to defend yourself in the future..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 7, 2012 @ 10:39 pm

  158. sadly julie you hav’nt won the lottery, you’re actually in fact, just at the start of a long hard road for scott and your good self,as are we all, in similar positions. but i’m sure if we all share our experiences,and remain alert as to what is happening legislation wise,and keep ourselves informed as to our legal rights as dwp says above, them i’m sure we can continue to combat these government rogues,who are operating under no other agenda it would seem, other than to grind us into the dirt! we had the misfortune to succumb to nature and develop illnesses,now we must pay for that audacity with a reduced quality of life,whil’st cameron and his ilk continue to try and spit out those silver spoons which are no doubt ruining their lives. poor souls!

    Comment by larry — March 8, 2012 @ 7:41 am

  159. ok guys
    i understand
    i am trying to keep up with my rights as we all know its a minefield
    i/we have to beleive in people in doing the right thing and that we are compassionate towards each other even though they are at most part mean to us
    i treat them how they should treat me with fairness and honesty it does not always work but i do remind them of that when i need to
    this is why we have the C A B too

    i quote from a song
    THE HIGHER YOU BUILD YOURE BARRIERS THE TALLER I BECOME
    THE FARTHER YOU TAKE MY RIGHTS AWAY THE FASTER I WILL RUN

    what ever your circumstances be strong people i will continue to write

    Comment by julie — March 9, 2012 @ 9:57 am

  160. Hi wondered if anyone can answer my question please, i had a medical in february to go from incapacity to E.S.A,my appointment was at 15.10pm but i didnt get seen until 17.10pm, by a nurse. I have Fibromyalgia severe I.B.S spondilitis in neck and spine, and 1 buldging disc in neck and 4 in my back, i also have disc degeneration disease. Nurse appolagised for being so late has they were short staffed, she could see i was in pain. I came outof the room about 17.45pm, by then security was waiting to lock up and go home. I recieved the desicion yesterday that i have been put in the work related E.S.A and have to go for interviews at job centre. Im not fit for work like so many of us, i also gave lots of evidence to prove this. Should i appeal and how do you know what points you have scored, and how do you get a representative could this be a friend. Im just wondering how quick my report was done has the security was closing the building and everyone had gone home. If anyone can help i would be very grateful thanks Jeanette

    Comment by jeanette plester — March 11, 2012 @ 6:37 pm

  161. Hi Jeanette.

    What you need to do is appeal to get in the to support group, and the first thing you do is relax and do everything in stages.

    First stage is to write the DWP a letter, and tell them that you wish to appeal because you believe you should be in the support group, and you need the following : A GL 24 appeal form, and the ATOS ESA 85 assessment report and score sheet, also contact your local welfare rights office or Citizens advice bureau to see if they can help to represent you at the appeal, you can also log in here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ for help in how to appeal what to say on the appeal and also tell your story, believe me you are not alone out there.
    The ESA 85 and score sheet will tell you what points you scored and you can take action and submit the appeal when you see what they have written first.
    If you appeal for the support group you will not be required to attend work focused interviews. If you win the appeal then any money over and above what they have already paid you that they still owe will be reimbursed.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 11, 2012 @ 8:05 pm

  162. Hi Guys 4 weeks on now still not a dickie bird from you know who!!..Just waiting for them to open up this morning and im now going to rip strips off them.My welfare rights rep is going nuts as to how long this is all taking.No way has any answers and keeps giving me the same generic amswers.If nothing has been sorted by the end of this week im contacting my local mp.Winning your appeal is just the start your quite right larry.Assesment rate is a joke I have liteally had to decide wether myself and my family have to eat or pay bills over the last 9 months.So when bqckpay does eventually arrive it will be spent clearing everything.Im so fed up and down…….

    Comment by Rozzi — March 12, 2012 @ 7:54 am

  163. I won my Tribunal end of Oct 2011 just rec’d my back payment few weeks ago despite my welfare rights officer chasing it up since.They do take their time when it comes to handing out money they owe us which is contributed by us through our working life.
    I believe they have put me on work related activity programme but had no letters to say so after winning the Tribunal just letter from Jobcentre for the interview.which is later morning.
    Don’t know what to expect really stressing out,have been to hospital wednesday for a procedure which has left me feeling really weak and in constant pain.I have severe IBS,anxiety,depression…..I just feel like I have no fight left in me anymore.
    After working 36 years this is what it comes to you are treated as if you have never worked in your life,if I am able to I wouldn’t be asking for there help,I would rather go out an earn a living than have theses people treat me like this
    To think in my last job I use to deal with my local jobcentre staff who know me quite well but still treat me like I have never worked in my life which really upsets me, and its due to them my company had no contracts and had to make people redundant.
    Sorry about the rant!!!
    AB.

    Comment by Anonymous — March 12, 2012 @ 8:45 am

  164. Thank you Dwpexamination for your help i will stat appealing today.

    Comment by Anonymous — March 12, 2012 @ 9:38 am

  165. Hello Anonymous and Rozzi.

    The time people have to wait for an acknowledgement of an appeal win is absolutely ridiculous, if you lose an appeal by the way you are informed within a week, it seems the DWP don’t like genuinely ill people winning appeals.
    As for the DWP themselves ? most of them are in for a shock in the future Iain Duncan Smith is planning to sack them when his new reforms are fully implemented, that will wipe the smug smiles of their faces. When they are signing on in the land of no work they will see what its like from the other side ? will you have pity for them ?. I certainly wont..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 12, 2012 @ 9:51 am

  166. Ha ha exactly dwp last time i phoned ranting to see where my money was.I was told that there is only 1 person in wales who deals with working out any arrears and correct pay ments.I find this very difficult to beleive.your quite right as well when I initially failed my medical
    Last june I was contacted within 5 days of the medical and money stopped instantly they certainly had the man power to sort that out.The worst thing is you dont get any answers apart from it is with the decision maker and will be dealt with asap.what good is that I need to know how much i will be receiving and when.anything else is useless They have no compassion these people.whilst typing I have just received a call surprise surprise still not been looked at .Now advising me to call on Friday when it should have been looked At but cant gurantee it.Im fuming but what can I do my hands are tied I advised I had sent in a letter which I was advised to do requesting it get looked at straight away amd he told me this would not be taken into consideration as this would be looked at as queue jumpimg.All they keep saying is because of the high volume of appeals there is this delay,but why are there just large amounts of appeals due to ATOS incompetence.im so mad and frustrated im off for a good cry…….

    Comment by Rozzi — March 12, 2012 @ 10:21 am

  167. Hi Rozzi.

    Not just the medical, I meant the appeal ? when you LOSE an appeal they inform you within a week, presumably from the same person who hasn’t got time because they are so busy.
    It’s the same all over Britain, the reason you don’t get any answers is because the bozo you spoke to on the phone is a low paid numpty who neither knows nor cares, I’ve waited 7 weeks the last time to be officially informed, and before that was a 2 months wait, it’s a scandal, if the public really knew what was going on they would be shocked, unfortunately the public understand nothing of what goes on around them until it happens to them, and this is the mentality we are up against..!!

    I can only come on here and try and help people become aware of what’s in store for them if they don’t wake up, only the other day I met a chap who doesn’t even know that this Government are going to privatise the National health service, he said ‘THEY CAN’T DO THAT’ I gave up, I felt like banging his head of the wall to knock some sense in to him.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 12, 2012 @ 10:52 am

  168. I know how you feel Rozzi but be strong…..I am leaving in few minutes to face them and absolutly shaking with nervous and anxiety.
    Talking on this site really helps that we are not alone.
    Good luck and hope it gets sorted out soon.
    AB

    Comment by Anonymous — March 12, 2012 @ 10:53 am

  169. What a morning I had build up of going to my interview @ Jobcentre, was really not well enough to go as my anxiety,stress levels and IBS was really bad.
    Arriving there 10 minutes before my appointment, I was called in by a very nice lady who wasn’t the person I was meant to see, she could see I was not well….asked me did I have far to come to which Im said my friend brought me here by car…after struggling to sit down she told me the person I was meant to see is not here and might have to wait to see someone else, to which I said I am not well to wait for too long and my IBS is really bad,have cramps in my stomach and been to toilet 6 times and might need to go without any warning due to my symptoms.She said she will re-book me and I won’t be penalised as I had kept my appointment so my benefit won’t be stopped.( as though it was my fault the person who was meant to see me wasn’t there)

    Then she said will see if someone can see you quickly as you are not well enough to wait,went away for few minutes and lead me to this woman who was a customer service advisor.She was a hard faced woman who didn’t even look at me and carried on looking at the screen on her computer as I struggled to sit down.Than she said I don’t deal with this but as you are not well ust go through why you are here and started by saying you have limited capability to get work and we are here to help you get back into work …to which I said I have worked all my life and my last job few years ago I use to deal with clients from here.I explained to her what my condition is as had been to hospital last wed to have a biopsey to which she said you are going this wed to which I said no been last week and have papers with me if she want to see them to which she said no.So she said when do you think you will be better to which I said I have severe IBS,,Anxiety,Stress and Depression so I don’t know its unpredictable to situations…..thought the stress they have caused me is the worst of it all.By which time I was feeling very uncomfortable with my cramps so she said she will book me in to see the advisor in 2 months time and hopefully able to get you back into work.She also said lots of people on sick long term get so use to not going out and into routine so we would like to encourage to get them out and about and have something to look forward to in life.Oh than she said civil servants are recruting at the moment so I should apply for a job there….I felt like saying to her oh hello I am not well and under hospital which part don’t you get.

    I cannot believe these Robots who work there how they get jobs and have no sympathy for others, they will be sitting one day where I was sitting.

    2 months time same old same old again…
    AB

    Couldn’t wait to leave those hard faced robots they call advisors.

    Comment by Anonymous — March 13, 2012 @ 10:47 am

  170. Hello Anonymous.

    Thanks for taking the time to let us know how your WFI went, especially when you are not feeling too good.

    This work focused interview stuff is absolute nonsense, it’s all a stunt a gimmick to try and con people in to thinking they are trying to help them, and your right they seem to be an unfeeling bunch as well, both in looks and actions.

    Something to look forward to in life ? forcing ill people out of their sick beds to turn up at dreadful places like that ? that’s something to look forward too is it ?, they must be joking.

    Anyway after seeing you are obviously unwell there’s a good chance they will not call you back, let’s hope so..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 13, 2012 @ 12:17 pm

  171. Thank you for this website dwpexamination….reading other people’s comments and experiences gives each other support that we are not alone, it certainly gives me strength to carry on.

    I have a friend who works for JCP after being made redundant from the company I use to work for, She hates it, as they are not to be friendly with their customers,she is a people’s person…..because of the job climate she cannot afford to quit.Before I became ill and was on jobseeker I had applied for advisors position about 10 times doing online tests,getting pass assessment stage and was put on waiting list for interview stage ….than to be told they are not recruiting anymore so have to reaapply for any future vacancies and go from scratch, so it makes me think some advisors who have been working there for donkeys years would never get the job they are doing now if they have to go through what I had to.

    Glad I didn’t as I would have quit….

    Comment by Anonymous AB — March 13, 2012 @ 1:44 pm

  172. Hello Anonymous.

    An advisors position ? the reason you didn’t get it is because they are forced by law to advertise outside the orgaisation first, the position you applied for was already taken.
    Can’t you see it’s all a scam ?. The only way to get a job with the DWP for instance is if they need bottom line staff, or the complete opposite, a highflier with Government approval, all promotions that are worth doing are advertised for the sake of lip service and settled internally.

    There’s a bullying culture in the DWP, always has been, constant pressure and veiled threats every day.
    Well they chose the job. they know what they are doing to people is wrong, after all they are always telling us there is plenty of jobs out there, well I say go and get one and stop working for the Gestapo.

    DWP workers will get no help from me, they have been abusing myself and others for the last three years, just to stay in their poxy little 7 pound an hour jobs..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 13, 2012 @ 2:48 pm

  173. hi its me
    im just wondering dwpexamination
    how you know so much about the workings of the D W P and JOBCENTRE are you an ex worker of said bodies or are you just a poor put upon soul like us
    its just that sometimes we need to go armed with the right things to say at the various interveiws they tell us to go to
    im having a work focus meeting next week will they really help me or is it alll a con to appear like they are helping us i would like to know as ive not been offered any work for three years now as in the past they have not really helped me
    before i got illl and was on E S A i dont want to get ill again

    Comment by julie — March 13, 2012 @ 8:28 pm

  174. Hello Julie.

    Well let me quickly tell you my story, around three years ago the DWP sent me to ATOS for an assessment, I never thought anything of it, I didn’t know anything about the DWP and to be truthful I didn’t wish to know.
    I walked in there, well I virtually crawled in there, and it never occurred to me that the nurse who examined me would lie on the report, just never even entered my head.

    A few weeks later I received the brown one, and of course you know what it said on there don’t you ?, course you do, I couldn’t believe the lies she told, so I appealed and went to the tribunal and lost.

    I thought the whole world was against me, I thought this was some conspiracy, some kind of plot to make my life a misery, I was made homeless because the DWP never paid me any money, and all this was caused because I didn’t know my rights, I trusted they would do the right thing, but they let me down, the DWP and ATOS made a mistake when they did that to me, they picked on the wrong guy.

    I had an appeal for ESA coming up, the one before was for IB, but this time I studied and learned everything I could about the DWP and ATOS, I found out and learned a lot, and what I found was a cauldron of stinking corruption.

    So I went and won my appeal, got some backdated money, and vowed from then on, I don’t care how long it takes, I will see these bastards in hell, and that means being a thorn in their side, that means helping people to win their appeals, that means no surrender to these people, that means I don’t ask anyone if they are entitled to benefits or not, that’s not my concern, my concern is to help anyone who needs help to fight these people, and that help is free, I don’t want anything in return, giving people help in getting one over these bastards is reward enough for me.

    It would have been simpler if these idiots had just left me alone wouldn’t it ? but now I don’t care if they leave me alone, I will still fight them, every single day I get up and I think about how much I hate them.

    AS I SAID, THEY SHOULD HAVE JUST LEFT ME ALONE..!!

    Anyway, your question, will they help you to get a job ?, the truth is there is no jobs and at the moment anyway they can’t help, if there were jobs though then they would help you get one, even if it’s just to stop you claiming benefits..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 13, 2012 @ 9:47 pm

  175. ok dwexamination thank you im sorry you had to go through all of that
    keep up the fight
    i just found out that i only just got £67 last friday when i should have got the usual £135 per fornight to keep me ,scott and my daughter

    (when she comes back home at the weekend from uni for easter holidays no were not rich she has all the loans ect so she will have a debt when she fininshes uni) not to mention i have to feed and keep her as well as pay billl electric,gas food clothes if we need it all this on £67

    and why did i not get the rest of MY money because they would not allow the backdated money from my tribunal day welll i wasnt told to apply for J S A straight away i thought it was done automatically as i had just been to a court and now i have write to them to reconsider why i did not do it straight away
    Yeah you are right they are B’#”###!!

    have u considered printing off these comments and taking it to your MP so they know what peopler go through would i get into trouble if i do it

    having some trouble typing this it wont let me sometimes are they on to us

    t peple go through just to live

    now hve to write to them to get them to reconsider why i did not do it straight away to ask for MY MONEY

    Comment by julie — March 14, 2012 @ 12:55 pm

  176. oh i forgot to say im going to the C A B tomorow mornig about that and much more stuff
    they wiii get fed up with me COS im alawys there lately
    but like you i dont care anymore sad to say
    keep you posted

    Comment by julie — March 14, 2012 @ 1:43 pm

  177. Hello Julie.

    The simple and honest answer is you didn’t know your rights, you weren’t even told about the assessment rate whilst appealing were you.
    This is what I mean Julie they tell you nothing, you are supposed to know all the rules, flippen hell the DWP workers themselves don’t even know all the rules so how do they expect us to know.
    If I were you I would invest some time in contacting the CAB or Welfare rights on what to put on that letter because it’s best you get it right, everything may depend on what you say on there, a phone call for an appointment to your nearest welfare rights office may bring some luck, give it a go before you write to the DWP, and from now on everything you do regarding these charlatans make sure you visit the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and ask someone before you do anything that’s important.

    (PS) I’ve just noticed you are going to the CAB, that’s the best thing to do, you need to get it right..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2012 @ 3:55 pm

  178. Hi dwpexamination does your money change when you appeal, ive gone from incapacity benefit to esa work related if i appeal do they stop some money , Im on income related and was thinking of appealing.Also do they make you go back to work and how long does one have on this benefit thanks hope you or someone can help.

    Comment by Anonymous — March 14, 2012 @ 4:30 pm

  179. Hello Anonymous.

    I take it you have been transferred from IB to ESA is this without having to endure an ATOS functional assessment ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2012 @ 4:40 pm

  180. Hi no i had a medical gave lots of evidence about my illness and got a letter to say i have been put in the work related group,
    and i will start having interviews with job centre. The letter says how much i will get thats all and ways i can appeal or ask them to look again at my claim. .My friend is disabled and said i can claim to care for her, but im so ill myself she was just trying to stop me having to be put in work i can not manage. Thanks dwpexaminer some things are so hard to understand like so many of us you dont expect to be sent back to work, its such a shock and they certainly dont tell you whats going to happen next, he they make things so hard to understand that you miss things.

    Comment by Anonymous — March 14, 2012 @ 5:12 pm

  181. Hello Anonymous.

    First of all i need to try and explain what a WFI is, it means you attend an interview to see what kind of work you could do in the future and how they can help, they cannot force you to take a job.
    The interview I went to lasted around twenty minutes and I was asked what work I had done before and other basic stuff, that was it really, the work focused advisor told me I could do 16 hours of paid work a week without it affecting my benefits, but the stipulation is I have to tell them that I was working 16 hours a week etc. She also informed me if I so wished I could do voluntary work when I felt better, but again if I do then I need to tell them this, I was also told I could claim £40 a week if I started a job etc.
    As you can see. it’s more informative than anything else, if there was lots of work out there for us to apply for then I’m sure these WFIs would be much heavier.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2012 @ 5:31 pm

  182. Hello Anonymous.

    Since they are going to transfer everyone from IB to ESA anyway then being put on to the WRAG in ESA is better than what most folk get, which is transferred to nothing and told they have zero points and therefore fit for work so go and sign on etc.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2012 @ 5:34 pm

  183. ok dwpexamination

    i willl get help with the letter thanks for now

    keep you posted

    Comment by julie — March 14, 2012 @ 11:24 pm

  184. Hi dwp and all heres the latest phone call at just after 9 this morning.DM adviaed has spoken to office dealing with my file.file has been pulled for today to get authorised and calculation of arrears done.she doesnt know figure yet but advised to call lae this afternoon when file updated advised all monies would be in my account for tuesay.Im spectical to beleive all this till i actually see that my account has been credited.will keep you all updated as to the outcome.Thanks DWP for all your encouragement and advise you have been great….

    Comment by Rozzi — March 15, 2012 @ 10:31 am

  185. Hi all confirmation now placed in correct support group.calculations been done money released will be in my accou t tuesday.totally drained now from it all im off for a cuppa.xxxxx

    Comment by Rozzi — March 15, 2012 @ 12:00 pm

  186. Hi Rozzi.

    Great news, and shows persistence pays..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 15, 2012 @ 1:17 pm

  187. Hi have been reading your site for a while now and have got some good advice. ihave Cerebral palsy spastic diplegia and back spasms i am 59 yrs old. i was found to be of not of limited caperbility by the so called “DOCTOR” I WON MY CASE LAST WEDNESDAY. i have a sick note till the end of july but today i got a letter saying i have to go to the job centure on the 5th of april and to see the atos quack again in june, do i still have to go before my sick note runs out? the letter says i do not need any more sick notes. many thanks Clive.

    Comment by clive — March 16, 2012 @ 1:06 pm

  188. Hello Clive.

    Yes I remember you, well at least your name.

    Are you saying Clive you won a tribunal last Wednesday and you already know you are going to have an ATOS assessment in June ? for that to happen then you would have to have already filled in an ESA 50 Questionaire.

    If you were placed in the WRAG then it’s true they can call you to the Job centre for an interview on how they can help you back to work, and because you have won an appeal then you do not need to send in sick notes.

    ATOS can call you anytime they please, doesn’t matter if you have a sick note for ten years, whether you have a sick note or not is irrelevant to ATOS healthcare.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 16, 2012 @ 1:27 pm

  189. Hello Claudia.

    If you do win the appeal then you are entitled to Employment support allowance in your case most likely the Work related activity group (WRAG)
    this means you will get £90 plus a week payable every two weeks, most of your rent and council tax will be paid, there will be a small portion of your benefit to pay for your rent and varies from person to person depending on how much their rent is etc. While you wait for the appeal date you will be entitled to what’s called the Assessment rate, this is the same money as Job seekers allowance which is around £65 a week plus help with your rent and council tax etc. And if you win the appeal then you can see the difference between the full rate of ESA and the assessment rate of ESA is around £30 a week and will all be refunded in to your account, this is what I mean when I said that it can build up to a thousand pounds or more, because it can take around 9 months for an appeal to be heard, so do the arithmetic and you can see it is worth the wait if you win. I you lose then you pay them nothing, you just start the whole process again in applying for ESA.

    After a period of time on ESA you will receive another ESA 50 Questionnaire from ATOS healthcare which you will need to fill in ans send on to them, they will most likely call you for another assessment of your ability to work and it’s almost certain you will be found fit for work and have to appeal again.
    This will go on and on ad absurdum, and you keep applying for ESA and then appealing and applying for ESA appealing ans so on.

    But what happens if you lose the appeal ? then you apply for ESA again, and you can do this because the two stipulations they demand are that six months have to pass when you were informed by the DWP that you were fit for work before you can re-apply, and also there has to be a worsening of your health condition or a new health condition. If you can meet these two conditions then you can re-apply for ever.

    Now this placed in the WRAG business ? it just means that you can be called to be interviewed by a Work focused advisor (WFI) and asked what help you may need in getting back in to work when you feel better, questions they ask are ”Have you a driving licence ? When did you last have a job ? What did you work at and for how long ? also you could be told that if you start a job you will be entitled to an extra £40 a week on top of your wages for a while to help you etc. They cannot force you to take a job though, but they will advise that if you take a part time job up to 16 hours a week then you can do it without it affecting your benefits, but they will tell you that under no circumstances can you do this without telling them you are doing it. They are quite strict about that and if caught well it’s not good news, I’m not suggesting you would do it or could do it, I’m just making you aware that they view that as very serious indeed if caught.

    You asked about a GP ? well as I said you really need a GP and you can get help from a legal advice centre in applying for legal aid to pay for a medical report from your GP so if you have a GP by now then good if you haven’t then get one as soon as possible as the CAB have already said it doesn’t look good at a tribunal that you can’t even be bothered to get yourself a free Doctor, it makes it look as if you don’t need medical help, so if you want to get money to survive then at least make it look as if you are trying to get better.

    I’ve never seen a DWP letter saying send us a ”medical statement” before, so I have to presume it means a sick note from your GP, if you appeal then this is one of their stipulations, they will pay you nothing until they get a sick note, when it expires then just get another one and so on, if you win your appeal then you do not need to send in a sick note.

    As for this plonker of a Doctor you encountered in the United States, let me tell you something about him ? I don’t even need to know him, he is a quack and probably wouldn’t last ten minutes over here before he was found out. He and all his other brainwashed brethren hate the British NHS they know nothing about it because they don’t want to know anything about it, all they see is a Health service similar to Cuba, this twit of a Doctor thinks it is a free health service, well it is up to a point, but it is paid for by the British taxpayer and so is not free, and anyone can get medical help, yes anyone, they don’t ask you for your credit card first then dump you at the side of the road if you don’t have one, this is where your fellow Countrymen are losing out, they are totally brainwashed in to believing their Government is the best and loved all over the world, what most Americans don’t realise is the majority of the people in the world just want to get on with their lives without interference from Bullies like Bush and that other idiot Putin the Russian.
    Sorry if this offends you but it’s the truth. And I would tell this moron who injected your back and has the audacity to slag us off, I will remind him that his Country rant on about democracy and freedom and at the same time some Black Americans are getting treated like dirt. Sorry but he etitomises everything about America that’s hated all over the world, as I said, and I don’t know him personally and as I said I don’t need to know him, I’ve already met (his type) him before, just opens his big mouth and lets his belly rumble. A COULD CRUSH A GRAPE CLAUDIA, WHEN A GET STARTED…LOL.
    Anyway…Good luck.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 16, 2012 @ 4:53 pm

  190. Thanks for your reply,i just re read the letter(3 in 2 days) it says “future assessments” my case is due for rereview on the 13/06/2012 they may contact me sooner. to see if being a 59 yr old spastic i will have got better. i went to the tribunal with my sister, i had to represent myself, the Judge and Doctor were very nice men, i got the impession that they are fed up with all this crap. as they asked me how the so called “Dr” had so many things wrong. i would love to tell you all about the sham medical and all but it would take me too long.
    So i will go to the job centure on 5 April, to see what special work i can do. Although i have been disabled all my my life i have been quite successfull. so i will resent talking to some one at the job centure on how to work. this is just vindictive. i will not and can not ever get better. id love to know how much it has cost to say “yes this man has a disability” but im sure now they will never give in and say “leave him alone”
    thanks again Clive

    Comment by clive — March 16, 2012 @ 6:55 pm

  191. Hello Clive.

    They review everyone, that’s part of the crap we have to put up with for the moment, maybe one day it will change but it doesn’t look likely at least until we get rid of this present Government, did you see on the news, Osbourne is going to give the super rich a tax break when he announces the budget, and it’s folk like the disabled and ill who are paying for it.
    Anyway this 5th of April WFI ? what happens is the Work focused advisor (Don’t laugh) will ask you a bunch of questions like : What have you worked at before ?, and how long did you do that job ?, do you have a driving licence ? are you aware that if you start a job you can claim an extra £40 a week on top of your wages ?, Are you aslo aware that you can work up to 16 hours a week without your benfits being affected ? and so on and on.
    Don’t forget to tune in to the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ you can turn on, but don’t drop out..!!
    The Judges and DRs at these tribunals must be fed up, no human being could possibly sit day after day after day reading the crap ATOS write on their reports, there comes a time when one would say to oneself this is absolute bollocks.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 16, 2012 @ 9:14 pm

  192. Hi and thanks for the tips on the questions, they will really piss me off. i took out a mortguage in 1983 and i payed it off in 1989. not bad for a spastic i think. ( just banging my own drum) thats why i know i will hate this INTERVIEW. should i just play the idiot? or tell them i worked 45 hours a week for 25p an hour when i was 15? (im sure you know that 25p is 5 bob and a pint iwas 1/10) thanks again Clive

    Comment by clive — March 16, 2012 @ 9:30 pm

  193. Clive old bean.

    When you attend your first ever Work focused interview, you will make DOUBLY sure that you are, in actions and looks the most stupidest bastard that ever lived..!!
    He/She will be desperate to get you out the door as soon as possible..!! LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 16, 2012 @ 10:39 pm

  194. Thanks for that, i just been coughing my lungs out laughing, that is the way i intened to go. should i i take a diazapam tablet first? i sound like a spastic when i do. joking aside i shouldnt have to go through this. even my Dr said your knakerd. ive worked bloody hard all my life, i payed more tax than many people, my poor Dad was in the army from 1935 to 1946 from dunkierk to berliln, he will be turning in his grave. . Clive

    Comment by clive — March 16, 2012 @ 11:08 pm

  195. hi dwp
    well i went to the C A B about not getting my money for one week cos of not signing on straight away after my tribunal to go on JSA she confirmed that i should have done it so its my fault naturally ho hum
    even though i didnt know what to next after the tribunal no-one said anything they just gave me the tribunal letter of failure and i went home she gave me a form to appeal against it for me to fill in im not sure what i should put on it i know what i would like to say ha ha
    any advice

    Comment by julie — March 17, 2012 @ 2:00 pm

  196. Hello Julie.

    Instead of signing on you could have (and still can) re-apply for ESA, as long as six months have passed when the DWP told you that you were fit for work (this applies because it was more than six months wait for the tribunal) there is one other stipulation when you re-apply for ESA which is there must be a deterioration of your present illness or a new medical condition.
    You need help Julie, don’t mess around, if you are keen on helping yourself then think up a username and go to the forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and ask any questions you like they will help you on to the correct road, also keep in contact with the CAB as well.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 17, 2012 @ 2:31 pm

  197. hi yeah ok dwpexamination

    are you changing this forum cos i accidentally went to another site
    is the blacktriangle thing a new one we can talk and get advice on im a bit confused although i find this one easier to write on or do i need to go on the one above you said about i have taken the advice into account from above

    Comment by julie — March 18, 2012 @ 12:04 am

  198. Hi Julie.

    Yes this is the Blog, the forum allied to us is http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ you can talk and get help on either of them, the forum has plenty of ESA victims you can relate too.

    This Blog is run by Joe and Nelson only, and we administer the Forum as well. The Blog is called dwpexamination because Nelson figured that would be the most likely keyboard entry for people needing help to fight ATOS/DWP. That is something with DWPEXAMINATION in it, rather than something saying ATOS which more often than not leads to official ATOS healthcare sites that no one is interested in.

    We believe in free expression for DWP/ATOS victims and as long as the commentator/poster isn’t a troll then we are fine with people being angry etc, we were once angry about the system ourselves but through time the anger leaves and cold logic takes over.

    This Blog was started by the way because far to many people were getting their rights abused by ATOS and the DWP, we thought that we should help to try and even the odds a little bit, here and the forum later on.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 18, 2012 @ 1:43 am

  199. ok dwp thanks for that info
    but you didnt say what i can put on my form to get my money back

    because it seems even if i say what happened when i left the tibunal, that they did not tell me to go and sign onto jsa straight away it may go against me even though its the truth

    they dont worrry about people not having any money to live on, even though when they send you letters from the D W P it always states that this is the money i should be liviing on by law (thats a laugh)
    i need to get this one weeks money back at least, cos by they said i should be living on it

    Comment by julie — March 18, 2012 @ 3:57 pm

  200. Hi Julie.

    Have you already signed on ? even though you lost the appeal you can re-apply for ESA.

    Remember if you have signed on you need to sign a form saying you are fit for work ? how bad is your health issues ? are you only signing on because you believed there was nothing else you could do to get money ?.

    Suppose for arguments sake you have decided you want to sign on for work, why not say on the appeal form the truth, you didn’t know you were allowed to sign on but you thought (someone said on the phone from the DWP) you were forced to apply for ESA which is some thing I didn’t feel I wanted to do because my circumstances have changed for the better and wish to start getting help back in to work. Saying that will almost certainly get you all your money backdated, because they want everyone of sickness benefits.

    On the other hand, you might not want to do that, you might not be interested in getting back to work because your illness hasn’t improved but has got worse so instead you may re-apply for ESA again.

    What I’m saying is I don’t know what you want to do, you have to make up your mind which way you want to go, because it doesn’t look good to the DWP if you yourself can’t decide.

    So if you want to re-apply for ESA then get the necessary form and fill it in, from the date you lost the appeal, or the date the DWP informed you that you have lost the appeal and therefore are no longer entitled to Employment Support allowance. Which leaves the problem what to say, I suppose you could say something like
    ”I have to inform you that there has been a worsening of my health (Insert what it is) and is the reason why I must re-apply for Employment and support allowance, I was hoping for an improvement in my health but unfortunately my health issues have got worse instead of better, please find enclosed a sick note from my GP to cover me for three months, when the note expires I will seek my GPs advice on whether he will allow me to sign on or remain on ESA.

    You are not guaranteed BACKDATED all the money they owe you but at least you can start the ball rolling for ESA.

    This is what happens when you don’t know your rights, you end up in sticky situations that are difficult to handle, so can I suggest you study up on the DWPs ways of working ?, because they will tell you nothing and I mean nothing, you have to find out everything for yourself.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 18, 2012 @ 5:15 pm

  201. hello again julie, just dropping a quick line with reference to dwp’s last statement,he is spot on .you are entitled to the money,you need the money,but the government will move heaven and earth to find a reason not to give you it.so like we all need to do in times of war,and this is indeed now a social war,a war to defend long established rights and levels of social decency,you need julie, to become battle hardened as quick as you can,because you’re on the front line now and by god they mean to shoot you down,but no worries dwp, and myself and ,thousands if not millions of others are alongside you ,and we aint going anywhere,i just wish the government would get that through their heads!

    Comment by larry — March 18, 2012 @ 6:23 pm

  202. hi dwp and larry
    i feel better enough now to sign back on and start looking for work now its not that im worrried about that
    its the government doing me out of the money i should be living on by law im off to my first work focus interview this thursday that should be fun as in the past they havent heiped me at all
    im not very battle hardened im tired of fighting all the time and not get anywhere and they use any excuse to stop your money

    Comment by julie — March 19, 2012 @ 11:14 am

  203. Hello Julie.

    Since you want to try and recover any money the owe you in a backdate then of course it’s not a good idea to say it’s all their fault EVEN THOUGH IT’S TRUE, maybe it’s best just to say that you have been making an effort to get work ready (true) and weren’t too sure if your GP was really going to sign you off or not, and by luck he has allowed me to start looking for work, something along that line will give you the best chance of recouping your money.

    Roughly the same as my answer (Below) yesterday.

    Suppose for arguments sake you have decided you want to sign on for work, why not say on the appeal form the truth, you didn’t know you were allowed to sign on but you thought (someone said on the phone from the DWP) you were forced to apply for ESA which is some thing I didn’t feel I wanted to do because my circumstances have changed for the better and wish to start getting help back in to work. Saying that will almost certainly get you all your money backdated, because they want everyone of sickness benefits.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 19, 2012 @ 11:25 am

  204. I had my money stopped in 2010 after failing my medical, I finally had my appeal on the 9th March 2012 and i won my extra points i needed. It has been 2 weeks since I won but not received anything yet from DWP and it is doing my head in, Welfare Rights are very good as that’s who i had representing me. Does anyone know how long it takes for the backdated money to get sorted?? Or is it best to contact them.

    Comment by Christine Dodd — March 22, 2012 @ 11:29 am

  205. Hello Christine.

    I have bad news and good news, the bad news is it’s possible to have to wait up to 8 weeks or longer before they decide to get their finger out and put right the wrong they have caused you, I personally have waited 7 weeks and another occasion it was 8 weeks, other people have reported quicker, I’ve been told sending the DWP a copy (Never originals with these people) of your tribunal statement with a letter explaining your appeal was upheld in your favour can sometimes work, but don’t bank on it Christine.

    As for the good news well that’s obvious, for every week that passes, the more money they owe you and the more money that will be going in to your account.

    You need to try and develop an excruciating patience when your dealing with the most incompetent Government organisation ever, corresponding with the DWP is absolutely soul destroying, and is meant to be.

    Apparently each office have assigned only one person to deal with appeal tribunal winners, but I’ve noticed for those unfortunates who lose an appeal, the wait is less stressful, they can tell you within a week that you have lost your appeal and now your 100 % fit and should sign on immediately.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 22, 2012 @ 12:14 pm

  206. hi dwp
    just thought i would up date you
    just sent off the appeal form to try and get my one weeks money they stopped cos i did not sign on straight after my tribunal

    went to my work focus interveiw
    all they do is tell you what help you can get while applying for work they didnt tell me about any of it when i first got unemployed
    makes me cross where was the help then
    after i year unemployed help should kick in for everone
    i hope this is for the better watch this space

    Comment by julie — March 23, 2012 @ 4:26 pm

  207. Cheers Julie…Hope you get your money..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 23, 2012 @ 6:56 pm

  208. I can’t sleep, in fact I’ quite dazed at he moment bu can’t sleep due to stress. plus I,ve had some sleep in the day. I have a tribunal i a couple of days time. I scored NIL points. I have lower limb problems that are verified by the doctor and a physio report. I am on strong painkillers hat mke me feel lathalgic and sleepy and he medication directly affects my day to day activities. I have contested virually everything in the Medical Report and went point by point which Physical Desriptors applied to me. Both CAB and Law Centre believe I should have been awarded a minimum of 35-36 points. I am worried about the quesioning at the tribunal and the type of questions they will ask?

    Comment by Jenny — March 27, 2012 @ 11:18 pm

  209. Hi Jenny.

    The questions they ask are directed at your ability to work, so called functional assessment questions, like how far can you walk, or (Anything that relates to your particular illness) how long can you stand etc, and they ask the basic reasons why you can’t. They are not interested in your illness/s or any pain you have as such but more why they prevent you from working.

    Comment by dwpexamination — March 28, 2012 @ 12:07 am

  210. Thank you for that but the Doctors letter clearly explains that due to the strong medication, I may feel drowsy and forgetful. he also explains on my bad days that I would even be restricted to less than 50 meters. In fact I fall asleep quite a bit during the day probably because of the codine in my tablets and have now become use to irregular sleeping patterns and having faily dipsy days. I was specifically asking about the type of things the doctor may make me do in court and specific questions they may ask. As you can tell, i’m really stressed and exhausted with i all.

    Comment by Jenny — March 28, 2012 @ 10:02 am

  211. Need to ask on behalf of someone who hasn’t got access to computer, if they have won the tribunal and received the back payment would that money be counted as savings if they have savings over £6000 but under £16,000 ……as the back payment has gone into their current account not the savings account.Does anyone know? would be very helpful.
    Thanks in advance.

    Comment by Anonymous AB — April 5, 2012 @ 10:30 am

  212. Hello Anonymous.

    I would say it does, even a penny over the £6000 would be over the limit, the Government don’t want anyone on benefits to save or have any kind of money over what they give you to survive, saving money is not encouraged and going over the limit without declaring it can have serious consequences and here’s the proof (see link below) £22, 000 ? OK an extreme example, but shows they just don’t want you to save any cash, and if they decide then they can make life very difficult for your friend if they wish, just a simple midas check and before you know it you are attending interviews to explain why you didn’t tell them about that extra cash which put you over the limit, of course if you do declare it then I think you may find your rent rebate or council tax rebate is affected or some other punishment for daring to have some spare cash.
    Please contact a local welfare rights office or CAB, even a legal advice centre who deals with benefits, there’s plenty in the phone book, get professional advice and keep your friend on the right road..!!

    http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=why%20did%20the%20lady%20who%20led%20a%20very%20frugal%20life%20%26%20saved%20her%20money%20be%20made%20to%20pay%20back%20more%20than%20she%20had%20saved%2C&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-2075861%2FPauline-Ford-58-saved-22k-nest-egg-benefits-pay-back.html&ei=Z4N9T-CGEczu8QO1prGtDQ&usg=AFQjCNE6dy5YjbwtME8WwqGiA5WeK4a2Xw&cad=rja

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 5, 2012 @ 11:48 am

  213. Hi ive just got home from my first WRAG meeting at JC+ the guy seemed embarrassed and said he thought i should be in the support group.

    Comment by clive — April 5, 2012 @ 2:29 pm

  214. Hello Clive.

    It just goes to show these so called work focused advisors haven’t got a clue what’s going on, just going through the motions day in day out and totally clueless to everything that’s going on around them..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 5, 2012 @ 4:04 pm

  215. Yes i got that impession too, i did tell him that they will find me fit for work again. he couldnt belive it when i told him i got no points for my walking (cerebral palsy both legs)
    Any way he said he was sure id pass the next assessment and he will see me again after that.

    Comment by clive — April 5, 2012 @ 4:14 pm

  216. Hello Clive.

    He’s sure you will pass your next assessment is he ? he’s having a laugh mate..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 5, 2012 @ 5:36 pm

  217. I know, i told him that i WILL FAIL again. he said but you have more evedence now and the tribunal win. i said he (quack) wouldnt look at anthing i took with me last time.

    Comment by clive — April 5, 2012 @ 7:35 pm

  218. Hi Clive.

    Just shows how much the so called WFA knows, he probably does think they will look at your new evidence, and he obviously doesn’t know that tribunal wins mean nothing to ATOS, he is living in cloud cuckoo land, and this numbskull is supposed to help you back in to work ?.

    GOD SAVE US MATE, THAT’S ALL I CAN SAY..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 5, 2012 @ 9:55 pm

  219. my name is john i need some advice was claming esa from 2009 because i have crohn’s disease realted arthritis stressful illness alway losing Weight from 62kg to 46kg and also joints pain lost of Appetite since then i was giving sick notes from the doctor and in 2011 iwas sent a medical assessment form i fill the form and sent it back then i was asked to go for a medical assessment the person did’nt look at my my illness only looking for bodily function
    and the main thing i suffer from is pain in my joints, abdominal pain and weight loss after 2 weeks i was sent paperwork saying i scored 0 and iam fit for for work then i appeal against the decision and went to the tribunal was asked question a told them everthing i suffer from and provided Evidence of my diagnosis after i won the Appeal so i did not need to sen a sick note any more then in 2012 i was sent a esa50 again i refuses to send it back then after 4 weeks my money was stopped i was told to make a new claim so i want know do i again need to send a sick note if you can help thank you

    Comment by Anonymous — April 14, 2012 @ 4:36 pm

  220. After 8 months of depressing fighting and ONLY 4 weeks since my tribunal win and 1 week after JC+ meeting. i went to stay with a friend for a few days i came home happy feeling better, and today i got a f$%^ing EAS 50. i feel so depressed now. thats it im going to see to bloody M.P. now.

    Comment by clive — April 14, 2012 @ 4:49 pm

  221. ATOS are recalling people as and when they see fit, your refusal was a gift to them because you played directly into their hands by refusing to comply. You should have completed the form in exactly the same way as you did your last and if you are worse, said so. I know I sound abrupt but these people have no compassion for us whatsoever. I would contact your welfare rights officer and seek guidance on this situation. Keep me posted

    Nelson

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 14, 2012 @ 7:00 pm

  222. Clive. please complete the form and send it back a couple of days before the deadline. You won at tribunal once you can do it again. Do not give in ATOS are recalling people as and when they see fit, its a disgrace.

    Comment by dwpexamination — April 14, 2012 @ 7:01 pm

  223. Hi im seeing my MP tomorow. what points should i make? i will go on about retesting ppl with degnerative problems though.Clive

    Comment by Clive — April 19, 2012 @ 1:45 pm

  224. hi can anyone help

    i have been claming esa for more then 3 years because i was Diagnosed with Crohn’s disease with realted artritas i gave sick notes from the doctor for 3years and last year i want for a medical and was given 0 points and i appealed and won and was given more money then i didnt need to send any more sicknotes now because of a esa50 questionnaie form that was lost on the post 4 times the closed my claim then i made a new claim i was sent a clam from for esa that was also lost now they are say we canot pay you allowance this is becausewe have appealed to the social security commissioners against the decision made by the indepdent tribunal i need some advice i got evedence of my illness and all the paper work and medcine i take i lost weight from 62kg now i weigh only 42kg they are evil puting my health at risk.

    Comment by Anonymous — May 10, 2012 @ 7:41 pm

  225. Hello Anonymous.

    You need to get legal help as soon as possible, there’s a couple of organisations you can contact to get advice, first of all in every City there are legal advice centres, these advice centres give you help as long as you are entitled to legal aid (Legal help) look up the phone book and phone one of them up.
    Alternatively you can contact your nearest welfare rights or CAB, and ask them to give you advice on the best way forward.
    But I have to ask you, surely you didn’t appeal on your own without professional help ?.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 10, 2012 @ 8:34 pm

  226. i appealed on my own without help from anyone just filled in a gl24 form i need to do the same this time again if i go to the tribunal with my paper work they can see my evidence because i found out why the tribunal allowed my appeal before because of the Reg 29 Esa regulation 2008 applies as there would be a substantial risk to his physical healt if were found not to have limited capability for work many people dont know that you have the right this a new regulation Act i got one month to appeal

    Comment by Anonymous — May 11, 2012 @ 2:12 pm

  227. Anonymous…They don’t tell you about the special circumstances rule, well done..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 11, 2012 @ 3:55 pm

  228. Hi i have got the LIMA computer manual. have you seen it?

    Comment by Clive — May 11, 2012 @ 4:01 pm

  229. Hello Clive.

    We have just seen some screen shots really and some mutterings to the HCP on what to enter on the ESA 85, I would be obliged if you went to the links page on the forum http://www.dwpexamination.org and entered it there, some of the members have IT experience and would surely be interested.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 13, 2012 @ 9:48 am

  230. Hello I have loged in on the other site and posted it under topics as LIMA. i hope it can be turned into an easy form to read and pass around.

    Comment by clive — May 13, 2012 @ 11:54 am

  231. Ah Dr Mengale I presume…LOL.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 13, 2012 @ 6:13 pm

  232. Thats me. I hope that you fined it useful as its very clear to read.

    Comment by clive — May 13, 2012 @ 6:40 pm

  233. Cheers Clive..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 13, 2012 @ 7:52 pm

  234. My Atos report was riddled with errors (lies) and I received 0 points. I lodged an appeal with the DWP and I also complained directly to Atos about the erroneous report and the nurse who did my assessment. Several weeks later I received a letter fom Atos admitting the report was not completed to their usual standard (although I believe this IS their usual standard!) and that there was not enough evidence given by the nurse to support the chosen descriptors. They did not, of course, admit there were actual lies within the report! They sent a copy of the letter to the DWP who subsequently reversed their decision without the need for an appeal.

    At least three of the errors in the report were glaringly obvious and should have easily been spotted by the decision maker if they had been looking at my ESA50 (which they are supposed to do) in conjunction with the report. At the very least they should have queried as to how the healthcare proffessional had arrived at that decision given the lack of evidence they provided. In light of this I have also lodged a complaint about the decision maker. Because the nurse made so many errors she is incompetent, or they were not errors therefore she is not incompetent but she did not act with honesty and integrity. The Nursing and Midwifery Council states that Nurses must act with honesty and integrity I have therefore reported the nurse who did my assessment and the case is being investigated.

    My advice to anyone who receives a report which is full of errors and/or omissions is obviously to appeal but also complain directly to Atos. Anyone can make a mistake or two but if your report is full of them and the HCP has obviously lied (not a “grey” area but an obvious untruth) or there are lots of atcual errors (in which case they are incompetent) then report them to their governing body. You never know if Atos get enough valid complaints and the GMC etc are getting bombarded with complaints something just might happen!

    Good luck all
    Norma

    Comment by Norma Roberts — May 16, 2012 @ 9:26 pm

  235. Well done Norma, if everyone was like you and the people on the forum then maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess…www.dwpexamination.org

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 17, 2012 @ 5:45 am

  236. First of all I’d like to thank everyone for their contributions and for all the encouraging advice. If only I’d known about this site earlier, I’m sure it would have halved my stress levels of the past 6 months. Yesterday I won an appeal after Atos awarding me 0 points. I suffer from depression and panic attacks so you can imagine how I’ve been affected by all this. The day before my Tribunal I went to Welfare Rights and was encouraged to emphasise 3 particular descriptors. Fantastic advise of course which turned 0 points into 21.

    I am heartened by the rallying cries and in it togetherness of you wonderful fellow sufferers, but also disheartened by the reality of the fact that DWP are in no hurry to backdate the money I’m due. The Judge on handing me the decision notice said that I will be reinstated back to what I was on before and I needn’t do anything. I got a letter this morning from the JC saying my sick note was due to run out and I need to send in another medical certificate by 23 May. If I understand the negative reports I’ve been reading correctly, would It be stupid of me to ignore this request and hope the various departments of DWP and JC communicate to each other and sort this out?

    Before I was failed by Atos I was receiving £227.00 per fortnight. I’m presuming my payments will go back to that and eventually the arrears will be reflected thus?

    Comment by maxspencer018 — May 17, 2012 @ 9:23 pm

  237. PS If I do nothing, will my payments stop and if so how can I prevent this happening. the last time I tried to phone DWP i was left on hold till I gave up

    Comment by maxspencer018 — May 17, 2012 @ 9:27 pm

  238. Hello Max.

    First of all congratulations on winning the tribunal appeal, it can take a while to get your money they owe backdated which will be back to the date the DWP informed you that you were fit for work, I’ve waited 7 weeks before for an appeal winning backdate, and yes I had the same nonsense from the DWP as in please send us a sick/fit note or else your benefits may be affected.

    Let me tell you, if you win an appeal you do not need to send in a sicknote, and it’s a waste of time trying to explain that to these (Minimum wage) idiots who man the phones for the DWP, so I can suggest the best way round it is to send the DWP a letter, and say on there that as your recent appeal has been allowed (attache a copy of the appeal decision) then as you know sending in a sicknote is no longer required, if you do not agree that there is no need to send in a sicknote after winning an appeal then could you please send me a letter and explain why you do not agree.

    I don’t envisage you will even get a reply, but they will catch your drift, and you will not hear from them again until they decide to inform you that since you have won your appeal then you are entitled to etc etc.

    By the way, no disrespect to minimum wage earners, but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 17, 2012 @ 10:18 pm

  239. Thank you dwpexamination. I’m off to the library to print a copy of the appeal decision and will include it in the reply envelope with a letter as you advise. I will be keeping a close eye on your thread (many thanks) and will keep posting updates as and when. As you and so many have said, we have to stick together and fight these bastards. This is war, and what doesn’t kill you off by thinking you are alone in this, only makes you stronger.

    I’d also like to add, with the benefit of hindsight that if anyone has any doubts about challenging a 0 point return from ATOS, then think again. Reading back my appeal papers I can now see where I went wrong in the first place. Thanks to this thread I now understand that ATOS are only interested in what you CAN do and not what you CAN’T. I strongly urge everyone to seek advise from Welfare Rights prior to an ATOS medical. Welfare rights will highlight the appropriate descriptors that emphasise what you CAN’T do – the very thing that I most definitely got wrong. If you are further down the road than this and been found fit for work, then if you haven’t already and there’s still time, then definitely appeal. Again, take the appeal form to Welfare Rights, they will help you fill it in and strengthen your case at the Tribunal.

    As I said in an earlier post, I sought advise from Welfare Rights the day before my Tribunal. The wonderful adviser sighed and tutted a few times at some of my comments written down in my appeal form but still convinced me that all is not lost and of course he was right. So my fellow Warriors, we band of Brothers and Sisters lets keep this strong to get even stronger. They might wear their suits and congratulate themselves as being masters of the universe but we see right through them. From Cameron down to the “peanut fed monkeys” – thanks dwpexam ;)

    Cheers!

    Comment by maxspencer018 — May 18, 2012 @ 9:21 am

  240. Hi Max.

    Your right there, it’s important that we pay attention to the ESA 50 questionnaire and we don’t inadvertently make things even more difficult for ourselves by filling it in wrongly.
    Anyway great advice for the readers Max, cheers and take care..!!

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 18, 2012 @ 2:07 pm

  241. here we go again just got medical form.at the end where it say comments i put no point cos thats what you give everyone-no fookin points!!!!time to get the armour back on and fight again gawd.

    Comment by lynnleeds — May 22, 2012 @ 11:57 am

  242. I Have Won My Appeal what happens Next i was Placed in the Work Related Group will my payments go straight up on my next payday or will it take around 6 weeks for them to deal with it i know my backdated money i get will take around 6 weeks for my Chronic Hydrocephalus and Learning Difficulties

    Comment by colin — May 28, 2012 @ 9:03 pm

  243. Hi colin, congratulations on your appeal win. Unfortunately you’ll have to wait for your money to go back to what it was when Atos “failed” you. 7 weeks seems to be the general agreement from what I’ve read on here. I won on 16 May and 6 days later my money hadn’t changed. In that time I’ve had 3 letters from them. The first one was to tell me that my sick note had run out. I wrote back to tell them that as I’d won my appeal I understand that I no longer require any more medical certificates – which of course is true. I also included in my reply a copy of the Tribunal Decision. Do send a copy in too if you have a sick note problem.

    The other 2 letters I got from them were to tell me that I owe them £60 and from the next payment they’re going to start taking £7.00 + per week till I’ve paid them back. I’m not too worried about this because I know that my appeal win will negate all this nonsense. They try to do everything they can to make it as difficult as possible and maximise our trauma. Also you’ll probably get another call from Atos in 3 months or so, so keep that in mind when planning to spend the back pay.

    Good luck colin and please keep us posted.

    Comment by maxspencer018 — May 29, 2012 @ 11:15 am

  244. Shall I Take a Copy of my Appeal Win to the Job Center also My sick Note would not run out till June 15th anyways so they should not be able to say my sick note as ran out CAB has kept the case open for me just in-case i do have any problems with DWP My Next Payment is Due on the 8/6/2012

    Comment by colin — May 29, 2012 @ 2:55 pm

  245. Hello Colin.

    Make sure it’s a copy and not the original, sometimes the DWP ask you to supply a sicknote after you win an appeal, this is probably because they haven’t had notice from the tribunal service that you are entitled to ESA, and so showing the job centre will not do any harm, better to send a copy though.

    You could get your mum to write a letter saying something like ” I am writing to you to let you know that my appeal on the 28th of May was allowed and the tribunal panel found I was entitled to ESA, please find attached a copy of the panels decision, Could you please confirm that sending in a sicknote is no longer necessary, my present sicknote ends on the 15th of June ”.

    This will let them know you have won, and hopefully stop them sending you annoying letters (Like supply us with a sickline) while they wait for the tribunals decision to arrive.

    Comment by dwpexamination — May 30, 2012 @ 5:57 am


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