589 thoughts on “HAD A MAXIMUS ASSESSMENT YET ?

  1. Zoro

    Kenn Gordon
    April 4, 2015 at 8:01 am

    Hi Guys Back again for my yearly comment. Well. This new company that have taken over from ATOS are not all dragons breathing fire of God laying on healing hands. It too a Whole year for them to give a decision on my health once again. However the sent a British Dr to see me at my home and she was armed with a file as thick as my arm. She explained to me that, they had received both, letters from the hospitals and from my Consultants. However she would still have to carry out a physical examination. Well prior to a year ago my conditions were, Epilepsy, Arthritis, Ataxia, Unstable Angina, Deafness in both ears, and bleeding stomach ulcers. She was very nice and accepted that my Large Japanese Akita was in fact my Medi-Dog (she lets folks know when I have a seizure and all the neighbours know when I have a Epileptic Collapse)(She did the same when I had a Heart Attack). S the dog was allowed to stay in the room. But in all fairness to this Dr, she was thorough and accurate. She asked questions about how my conditions affected my day to day life and referred to her nots and my files. When completed she said “I cant promise anything but I have read through your medical files and the support your claim. I will write my report and it will go to the DWP, but I can not see any reason as to why you should not continue to get the DLA part of PIP” well I waited for almost a year and then I got a letter stating that I had been awarded PIP that included the HIGH rate of Care and the HIGH Rate of motability. wow this was a surprise to me. Since then I have actually trapped my sciatic nerve and OMG I will never talk about folks who have supposed back pain again. at 5am I called a taxi and went to A&E when I got there I could not even walk across the room for treatment. The pain was actually making me physically sick. Apart from my heart attack I have never felt pain like this before. Anyway I digress I have nothing but good things to say about the New Company who do the medicals and they are more than willing to come and do home visits and are prepared to have independent witness by your carer or such like. One thing this lady told me is that ATOS have left a mess that will take over a year to catch up from and the waiting time for your medical is likely to be around 6 months-year, and then anything from 6 months to a year for it to either be accepted or rejected by the DM and the DM’s office have a Backlog of 2 years for Appeals. The situation is in meltdown

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    1. Liz Gardner

      It’s interesting that you should say that. I’m 62 old female with Rheumatoid Arthritis/Sjogren’s Syndrome and Cervical Spondylosis and a few other little problems. I recently saw a Maximus clerk at the DWP in Archway – she decided that I am ‘fit for work’ her decision has overridden the decision of a DWP doctor and an Atos Specialist Nurse (who treated me very well) plus of course my GP and my Rheumatologist. She also made me sit and wait for her for almost 75 minutes and was extremely ‘passive aggressive’. I’ve written to my MP for help and have been in touch with Lord Falconer to suggest a new variant on his failed “Assisted Suicide Bill’ – medics should not be giving folks lethal injection but why can’t Maximus – can’t work okay we can get into coffin, Maximus clerk delivers lethal injection, Maximus clerk closes lid and sends coffin to crematorium- what’s wrong with that at least it’s humane for what they are doing at the moment isn’t. Still glad to read that you were treated decently.

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    2. Joan Davis

      just want to ask if anyone phoned assessment appointment office to say I can not attend, then told there is no record of it, when I looked on my phone bill to prove that I did, there was a different number than I phoned. when i phoned the number on my bill, it was a recorded message sse telling me about there electric. I do realize this is so I can not prove I phoned them, but wondered if I has happened to any one else.

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  2. Zoro

    Hi Ken.

    Thanks for your honest input, we don’t often get good news.

    It seems Maximus are in a bit of a pickle, they have a bad reputation as it is, and now they are going to get themselves associated with ATOS as well, hence the reason I believe they are trying to come across as Mr nice folks, at least for the moment.

    But hey as long as at least some people are being treated fairly, that’s a start, we want an end to the LIMA nonsense, we want an end to the descriptors, and an end to sanctions, and we want an end to the hideous work capability assessment with an all round fairer system put in it’s place. We are not asking for very much, and until they give us it then we are still at war.

    Maximus as well as their ATOS predecessors are well know criminals, and they don’t fool us with their new Mr nice guy image for one second, so we will be vigilant as always.

    Cheers Ken, thanks for taking the trouble to give us some good news and important information.

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    1. Liz Gardner

      Nice. They are appalling far worse than ATOS well at least in the Archway Office in London – it is like something out of that film ‘Brazil’ really sinister and creepy – absolutely disgusting. I am now contemplating suicide as I don’t see a way out – can’t deal with DWP/Job Centre Plus just cannot cannot do it. I’m in constant low grade pain at best high grade pain at first and I just have not got what it takes to deal with them – just cannot cannot do it :’-(

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  3. Linda

    Glad you got a good result Ken. However, take nothing for granted with Maximus, their main objective is to make money off the backs of the sick and disabled, they will say whatever their masters (in this case the DWP) tell them to say. Yes their offices are nicer than Atos and they have a few pot plants dotted about and muzak playing in the background, but the same rules apply.

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  4. Linda

    “Everyone is sent a form” claims Maximus

    Maximus, the company carrying out employment and support allowance (ESA) assessments, insist that they send out ESA50 forms to “everyone” and that their staff are not authorised to tell claimants that they will not get a form.

    Benefits and Work has been investigating why some ESA claimants are not being sent ESA50 forms prior to a face-to-face medical assessment.

    In previous articles we revealed that some claimants who do not get an ESA50 and who query this are being told things like:

    “Not everyone will get a form.”

    “One isn’t needed in your case.”

    “You don’t need to fill one in.”

    However, in relation to the first two quotes Maximus have now claimed:

    “The above two quotes are not information our advisors are authorised to convey. If you are able to share the source of these quotes we will investigate accordingly. “

    In relation to the final quote, they say that:

    “This can be the case if a customer has been diagnosed with severe mental health conditions and it is too difficult for them to complete the form (which they will have been sent). We would however always encourage customers to complete an ESA50 so we are aware of how their condition affects them.”

    Maximus went on to say that:

    “For absolute clarity. Everyone who is referred is automatically sent an ESA50 and are asked to complete it if they are able to do so. If they are unable to complete the form they are encourage to nominate someone who can on their behalf. Ultimately failure to complete the form does not mean no assessment takes place, but every applicant receives the ESA 50 in the first instance.”

    We are pleased to receive this clear reassurance from Maximus.

    We would advise any reader who may be asked to attend a favce-to-face assessment for ESA without having received an ESA50 to contact Maximus and ask for a form to be sent out.

    If this is refused, or you still do not receive one, then make a formal complaint as Maximus will clearly wish to investigate and put the matter right.

    http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/3067-everyone-is-sent-a-form-claims-maximus

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    1. If they send me a letter saying that I need to report for an assessment on such and such a date, then I will immediately send a letter – registered post so they can’t say they never received it – back saying I want an ESA 50 form please.

      The more distance in time I put between these creatures and me the better.

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    2. My son as just had an Assessment by Maximus, he will not know the outcome for a while yet.I attended his so called Examination, by a female doctor I presume she was very abrupt when I tried to explain any of the questions my son was having difficulty answering due to his mental issues that he was born with due to him being a Twin an birth injuries to his head,he also has convulsions an diabetes type A.I won a tribunal in 2010 an the judges were in total agreement my sons medical condition would not improve to any degree that he would be able to look after himself unaided nor would he ever be able to work in a paid employment.yet we still have to go to these nightmare face to face Assessments.I think its a waste of resources an Tax payers money.as in most mental health issues the patient is not able to answer questions on there own conditions not being able to know the difference between excepted behaviour an problem behaviour.my son pretends he his able to things he realy struggles with as he feels embarrassed in telling a strange person especially an attractive youg female Doctor with a strong Baltic accent.also it effects his confidence after the examination totally humiliating for any one with similar health issues.

      hope this helps people they are not alone
      Mrs.Davenport

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  5. Linda

    Not much sign of Maximus at Maximus assessment…

    I attended a Maximus work capability assessment with someone this week and was intrigued to note that there was no Maximus branding that I could see outside the building, or in it. Maybe all the branding was lost, or still on the printer (there wasn’t any branding on the callup letter the person I went with to the assessment received either, now that I look at it). Outside the building, there was just a line on the listings boards which said Assessment Centre (I’ll put a photo up shortly when I can get it off my phone). Inside the building, there were a few notices with references to the Centre for Health and Disability Assessments, which I think is the official euphemism for “Place Where Maximus Carries Out Loathed ESA Work Capability Assessments.” Intruiging, as I say. Made me wonder if Maximus is trying to distance itself brandwise from this extremely unpopular aspect of its offering and/or to make its assessment centres hard to spot. Who can really say.

    Anyway – have started to attend these Maximus face-to-face work capability assessments now. I’ll be publishing in detail on them after the election, when I know which MPs to pressure with the evidence I have.

    Suffice to say for now that I remain amazed by the utter pointlessness of the whole WCA process and of the face-to-face assessments in particular (pointless for the person going through the assessment, that is. There’s plenty of point to it for Maximus – between £590m and £650m over three years and a presence in the UK, as the Guardian reported earlier this year). The people on the receiving end of it don’t do so well. The person I went with this week has very serious mental health problems – so serious that he really has hardly left his house this year. For this week’s face-to-face assessment, he had to drag himself miles across town to the assessment centre (a family member set aside the afternoon to do the driving) to attend an appointment where he was asked to talk about his mental health for a time and then told to briefly lift his arms and legs. Regarding the possibility of a home visit for assessment – I’ll get into the topic of home visits another time, I think. I’d make the general observation now that home visits can present people with a whole new set of concerns. A number of people have raised this point with me over the years. Not everyone wants government or government-funded officials poking around at their place. I sure as hell don’t.

    And anyway – the key point here is that this guy’s GP and usual medical consultants could easily have carried out this assessment. Maximus at home or at an assessment centre is entirely unnecessary. The WCA is outsourcing for the hell of it, like privatisation usually is. We’ve said it before and we’ll say it again – this outsourcing of disability benefit assessments to private companies like Maximus is for the benefit of private companies like Maximus and for governments that are desperate to show they’re tough on benefit claimants. Millions of pounds are being pissed away to those ends. Whoever gets into government will be made to answer to that. In a big way.

    http://www.katebelgrave.com/2015/04/not-much-sign-of-maximus-at-maximus-assessment/#comments

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  6. Peter Curtain

    Firstly, I don’t understand the obsession with Maximus and certainly not with branding. Maximus don’t need branding. Maximus, to all intents and purposes ARE the DWP. They are simply an outsourcing company (corporate whores if you like) who will do ANYTHING for money. They could just have easily been contracted by the Government to cull badgers or advise on flood defences.
    Maximus are a diversion. The DWP are the issue. Why do people insist on moaning incessantly and Maximus / ATOS / Capita? It makes no sense to me and simply shows niaivity.
    Wake up – it’s the Government!

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    1. Because Maximus are the Governments weakest point Peter, and we always attack the weakest point, and keeping attacking it until it collapses.
      That’s why ATOS completely collapsed, the pressure became unbearable with the result they couldn’t carry on in the open with impunity any longer. We need to do the same to Maximus, just keep constantly attacking them with everything we have, demonstrations, petitions, angry letters and e-mails to MPs in the new Government, and in the event of any deaths or suicides due to fallacious fit for work examinations (which will happen sooner or later), then we call them murderers on public forums and Blogs until they see sense and give up, they have a choice and can give up…but we don’t.

      The Government are the strongest point, and the most difficult to break, but we can get at them through their main weakness which is Maximus.

      The fact that the Government – Or DWP, it’s the same thing – were forced to get another company to actually do their dirty work for them and had to bribe them as well by paying them extra should tell us something.

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    2. stilloaks

      Hi Peter, thanks for posting.
      The primary purpose of our “Had a Maximus Assessment Yet?” page is to hopefully garner the experiences of those who have had dealings with Maximus, allow them to share those experiences and help others build up a picture of what they might expect when they have to deal with Maximus.
      I completely agree with your opinion that the real culprit is the government but until we have a way of changing their ideas, we have to try and attack one of the heads of the hydra or at least defend ourselves against it.
      Many who are facing Maximus (DWP/Government) for the first time are sick with worry, not knowing what to expect and any little insight into what lies ahead is of genuine help to them.
      It is not incessant moaning, it is information gathering, information is power. Just ask GCHQ.

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      1. Hi,
        a friend of mine had a ESA assessment with Maximus. He was in the Support Group and now they have scored him 0 points. The assessor was a bully, whispering so he could not hear what was being asked, whilst banging down hard on her Keyboard. She made no eye contact with him through out the assessment. The questions they asked with regard to his mental health issues where for example, “Can you go to the Doctors on your own”, my friend cannot as he suffers with terrible mental health issues and PTSD, and stated this, but she would not accept this answer, and rephrased the question to “if you had to”, to which he replied I cant I have terrible panic attacks, so she carried on and would not accept this until after about 5/6 times of hypothetical questioning he was forced to say yes. This evil Company are NOT providing Medical Assessments, as they are basing it all on Hypotheses, well MAXIMUS, my friends condition is REAL, and they will never get away with this. And the report which came back, well it was filled with fabrications, blatant lies. These scum are murderers, and should be held accountable for this behaviour. We thought ATOS where murdering filth, but they are a walk in the park compared to these Psychopaths. If you are suffering at the hands of these monsters get in touch with your MP, CAB and welfare Rights. They cannot get away with removing seriously ill people of the support they need. This EVIL Government should be done for crimes against Humanity. And all the mass media are covering them up. They are complicit in DEMOCIDE.

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        1. Absolutely, the media will not go near this, we all know why. So we must get the message out there instead, as this site, and all here are. I believe we will win, in the end.

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          1. Lorrayne black

            Hi All
            I’ve attended every appointment since they put me on the programme and completed the work placement ( which we were told by the obnoxious advisor) that there would be a job at the end of it, we’ll as usual that was just a con to bump his bonus up, anyway last year I was diagnosed with an extrinsic compression on a vein in my bladder this causes severe pain and swelling sometimes to the point where I can’t walk, which I have evidence of and am awaiting a laparoscopy to diagnose anything else that is going on. Yesterday I felt awful but still went to attend my appointment, as I went to sign in I collapsed in agony and an ambulance was called and I was taken away to hospital, my bloods and pee samples were fine which I knew they would be but my blood pressure was really low but there wasn’t anything they could do as they know it’s related to the pain. Today I cannot attend and rang to tell them that the MEDICAL PROFFESSIONAL DOCTOR advised me to rest as I’m still getting the dizzy feeling and the pain is still there when even trying to walk round slowly, so I cant really get to my doctors atm. These people really do not understand and are ignorant or have any compassion regarding others illnesses or disabilities. My obnoxious rat of an advisor has told me to come in tomorrow with a med certificate which is fine but his attitude towards me is snotty and he can’t have me keep fainting on Maximus’s premises but still forcing me to come in tho he saw me in the ambulance, even the paramedic said what a Hitler he is. So let’s see if this sanction happy little rat gets me and my family screwed over eh? The stress does not help mine or my husbands condition ( he has Cyclical Vomiting Syndrome and not entitled to dla, even tho his condition could kill him). I’m sick of being demoralised by this poxy dwp company and its mandatory BS programme where they say theyre all for equality. Well ain’t that a lie!!

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        2. tom warner

          Knowledge is power , and that’s what is the underlying reason behind treason may’s IP Bill the snooper charter , it will do nothing to prevent terrorist attacks , or paedophile rings sharing their filth over the internet, laws are already in place to spy on someone’s internet activity if they have a warrant, so no need for this waste of money

          As for the WCA one thing that the could easily implement is re-embursing travelling expenses via the faster payment system, So that people aren’t out of pocket for several weeks waiting for the money to be paid into their bank account especially those who have to get a taxi to their F2F farce pre-assessment rate is currently £73.20 each week , a taxi could cost £60-70 return fare, it’s disgusting that the state expects them to go without money money that they are supposed to live off in order to attend the wca farce, how is this deemed reasonable?

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  7. Peter Curtain

    And when they give up they will be replaced by another company – and so it goes. That’s what I meant. Go after the Government.

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    1. We can have a go at the Government Peter, first we’ll have to see what type of Government is going to be in power after May the 7th, if it’s a Conservative Government we can basically forget it especially with UKIP and Northern Ireland’s DUP in tow.

      If it’s a coalition of say New labour, SNP and the Greens then we have a chance, because that’s the most likely Government scenario to be sympathetic to our cause. Those three have all said they are going to abolish the bedroom tax and zero hours contracts, so that’s a start, the evil Tories are going to concede absolutely nothing.

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      1. Lisa

        Well heres one for you i went for a assessment in november 2016 and the assesser was talking about herself saying she has just came back to work has she lost a family membee due to cancer and with me suffering anxiety and depression i shoul go and see this hupnotise £150 per session its private not nhs and he can help me i recieved a letter sayin i got 0 points i have put a complaint in and she is gettinh investagatied under the serious complaints codes of practice

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        1. That just shows how out of touch and arrogant these people who work for these mercenary – so called – health care firms are.

          She – and her type – have no inkling that her lies and deceit in her deliberately false – so called – medical report – is actually destroying your/our lives.

          And even if she was aware, she wouldn’t give a rats ass anyway.

          You see…everything is about her and how much money she can make as fast as possible, doesn’t matter how many people she – and her ilk – have to stand on or ride rough shod over, as long as she gets her money.

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  8. Peter Curtain

    I honestly don’t believe Labour will do any kind of deal with the SNP – and I don’t thing the Greens (God bless them) will wield any power at all. Better get ready to fight Boris!

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  9. Peter Curtain

    But do you think the SNP really want to be involved in UK politics? Their main focus will surely be independence won’t it? Maybe Labour should do a deal with the LibDems and, if necessary, the Greens. Also, if the Greens get their way and they will seriously affect the level of energy consumption long-term which will depress demand and depress the price of oil ….. and that’s pretty much all that Scotland has after tourism and financial services (and most of the financial companies will leave).

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    1. Of course they want to be involved in British politics, because what’s good for England can only be good for Scotland, there’s no point trying to ruin England, that would just weaken Scotland.
      So a strong England and Wales is a strong Scotland.

      The greens will have no control over the price of oil, OPEC decide what the price is, if they want to sell oil at 10,000 Dollars a barrel then there’s nothing anyone can do about that, if they want to sell it at a Dollar a barrel then there’s nothing anyone can do about that either. The reason why it’s down at the moment is because of the sanctions against Putin forcing him to use his own reserves, once he’s the west’s best friend then the world oil price will rise very quickly.

      Anyway, it’s all academic, because no matter who grabs power on May the 7th, it wont improve our working class lives very much, it’s going to be the same old lies and deception, New labour and the SNP – in my opinion – are just the best of a very bad lot..!!

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    1. It says DWP examination reloaded. Reloaded meaning… as in returned.

      A site for folk who will be or are being examined on their fitness to work by the Department of work and pensions henchmen, was ATOS healthcare, now a company called Maximus.

      This site used to be called dwpexamination and ran for around five years, there was a hiatus which lead to a visitor drop off from the site due to the demise of ATOS healthcare assessing people for employment and support allowance and being replaced with Maximus, now that Maximus have taken over from ATOS and really start examining ESA/PIP claimants on their fitness to work we expect a complete absence of delight from people who will not be happy with the result of their examination.

      Since the majority of people being examined will have no idea that Maximus are a criminal corporate company with profit before health as their agenda, then it stands to reason they will not understand the actual reason/s why they’re being stitched up like a kipper by Maximus and the DWP… and deliberately refused Employment and support allowance.

      This site – as well as other sites on the internet – will be a refuge, a place where they can find out what rights they have, for instance can I appeal ?, what is a mandatory reconsideration ?, can I get legal aid to help pay for a medical report ?, how long does it take for an appeal date, what is the appeal form called ?.

      There’s lot’s of questions that can be asked, and hopefully myself and others who visit the site will answer them, as I have already successfully done for the last five years.

      I’m a bit puzzled why anyone can come onto a site and see a page called ”HAD A MAXIMUS ASSESSMENT YET” and not have a clue what it means, but start commenting on the page anyway, then a few weeks down the line ask what it actually means.

      I’m not trying to be funny Peter but I find that very strange..!!

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  10. Peter Curtain

    I’m sorry but I hadn’t realised that examination had something to do with Maximus assessment. I may not be as bright as you.
    It was not my intention to cause any kind of offence. I just don’t know much about these things. I have never been through the process before.
    Anyway, I haven’t found anything that will help my situation here so I’ll move on.
    I suppose know we have the Tories back we’ll all be killed off anyway. It won’t take much. I’m not very strong.

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    1. stilloaks

      Hi Peter, if you can let us know what kind of information you are seeking it may be possible for us to help you. It is impossible for us to help anyone unless we know what it is they require.

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    2. No offence taken Peter and no offence was intended, you asked for an explanation (on the dwpexamination title above) on what examination means, and I gave you a full explanation. Sorry if it wasn’t the explanation you wanted to hear.

      Good luck.

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  11. Kate

    I got put into the support group last year. And I was told that would last until Nov of this year. With the backlog I am assuming I wont hear for a while, after that date? Just I am getting very nervous now the Tories have a majority.

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    1. stilloaks

      Hi Kate, it is my belief that they are concentrating on the new claims for the moment which has led to the backlog, hopefully you will get a bit more peace beyond November, before you are summoned before the Spanish Inquisition.
      However there is no harm in being prepared in advance, there is a downloadable and fill out on your computer ESA50 in our PDF section.
      It should be noted that some who are being reassessed are finding that the forms they are receiving have changed and parts have extra sections added. You can read more about that here.
      I would suggest that you prepare yourself in advance as leaving it until the last can be very stressful.
      I do not blame you for feeling nervous, now that the Torags have a majority, I doubt that there is a disabled person in the country who is not very worried.
      Take care and let us know if we can help in any way.

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  12. Kate

    Yeah last time they didn’t come to see me as my CPN faxed them. They just put me straight into the support group.
    But due to cuts I am losing her this year but getting another no idea how good they will be. I am terrified. Non stop panic since the election result. I did vote but by postal as I have severe social anxiety on top of everything else and I prayed it wouldn’t got this way. I have been sick and throwing up from how scared its made me.
    Thanks for the form. If I fail their awful test hopefully you guys can tell me how to appeal as I am clueless to all that. I also want to appeal if they put me in WRAG. Hopefully the fact I was already in the support group before should go in my favour.

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    1. stilloaks

      We will endeavour to help as much as possible Kate.
      You raise a good point, just what a great job the CPN’s do (probably the reason king rat cameron and his axeman IDS are making them redundant in record numbers.) I have dealt with three different CPN’s over the years and more informed, understanding and helpful people, I have yet to meet.
      Try not to worry yourself sick before the event, read and prepare yourself as much as you can, this will make you feel calmer and stronger because you are prepared and informed.
      Any questions let us know and we will help you find the information that may help.

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  13. Kate

    Thanks last time it was a little while after when my review was up and I was being transferred from incapacity to ESA. I will try not to worry too much as like you said there is a backlog so its unlikely I will hear from them in November. Just part of my condition means I get anxious about everything to the point I get very ill.
    So around October I will fill in the online forms so I am right up to date and thus prepared for this. Right now I think I need to calm down as I am getting very unwell, haven’t slept or ate for days now. I don’t think they realise all of this makes people worse not better. Like we don’t have enough to deal with people sick in the first place.
    Thank you so much for the advice and support. I really am lost at sea here so it was good to know I am not alone.

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    1. kirsty

      Hi Kate sounds like your a worrier like me. Look up over sensitive personal online and you will probably tick all the boxes. Worrying for days with not sleeping and eating is me.

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  14. jeffrey davies

    https://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2015/02/15/a-truly-chilling-move-now-maximus-are-trying-to-buy-remploy/
    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/company-fined-millions-fraud-tipped-4457618
    http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/incompetence-discrimination-and-fraud-the-us-company-that-could-take-over-from-atos/
    http://voxpoliticalonline.com/tag/out-of-court-settlement/

    i wonder i wonder will saint sueuy help us all in this fight but now sadly another who took the devils dollar yes there will be a few who will praise but most will cry out has sadly this company like the one before is being paid for results and that will cause many to fail jeff3

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  15. Marco

    Hi All, I have just been sent a new form esa50, but i will contact c.a.b . for help in filling it out as they helped me out last time and i won my appeal also with the help of c.a.b. ,but i was put in the wrag group ,been on that for the last two years and only reporting to jcp every 3 months and 6 months ,so i have a new challenge again ,not looking forward to this again, but i will not go down with out a fight !!

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    1. We’re all in the same boat Marco, waiting for the ESA 50 form with great trepidation.

      C.A.B are good, let’s hope they aren’t so busy as a couple of years ago, when they had so many clients they didn’t even have time to answer the phone.

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      1. The CAB outreach service is being cut as a result of local authority cuts, which this government are responsible for because they cut funding to local governments with their austerity bs
        The CAB outreach service carry out things like representing people at tribunal hearings who where denied PIP and ESA by the DWP (department for work and persecution ) So they are ramping up the hardship in every way possible
        Maximus Are not different to ATOS , infact i wouldn’t be surprised to find that many of the staff who worked for ATOS now work for Maximus , they have one objective and this is to award as many people as they can Zero points

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    2. That’s the spirit Marco!
      We should fight til Gov gives in. I marched with junior doctors this April 26th. Believe you me: it felt GREAT! to scream at #10, at those evil cowardly criminals Hunt/Cameron/Osbourne, hiding inside.
      They said: docs are too stupid to understand their contract, too militant, harmful to the public. Their media said it too. But I was THERE. It was an AMAZING demonstration. We cannot let them break us. Junior doctor+qqq++s declared war on this gov to protect their patients. They will win. I take docs’ peaceful, sarcastic, powerful protest as my inspiration.

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  16. Marco

    Hello again, Well after receiving this new esa50 form and filling it out in august and sending back again in august just before bank holiday, Today i have received a new date for my face to face assessment 28/09/2015, just like to say this time in making my appointment they have been very quick ? i think last time i had to wait about 9 months ,so they must of cleared all the back log from previous year’s ? any body else had a quick reply back from DWP over the face to face appointment ?

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    1. Marco

      Hi Jeffery, No i haven’t as only got letter today , do you think i should then ? and do i have too request that in advance ? as i only have two weeks to go before i see them !

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  17. jeffrey davies

    marco we learnt by asking to have it recorded can delay it further has they wait to get recording equipment but having it recorded could save the lies look at the letter sent by maximus and tell them you like assesment recorded they have to do this but some will say anything just not for you to get it but its your right chriss greyling stood up and told house that it was claimenst right to do this jeff3

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    1. Just received this from benefits and work.

      ESA medicals cancelled
      With the DWP paying hundreds of millions of pounds a year to Maximus for ESA assessments, you’d think that between them they could find the cash for a few dozen dual audio recorders. Especially as the DWP insist dual recorders, which produce two identical CDs have to be used if a claimant wants a recording of their medical.

      But it seems not.

      According to Frank Field, over the last five years medical contractors, formerly Atos and now Maximus, have been responsible for 940,000 cancellations – over 1,500 a week on average.

      The main reasons for those cancellations are staff shortages and a lack of recording equipment. Frank Field has protested to Stephen Crabb, the secretary of state for work and pensions, saying:

      “It’s unbearable for people at the bottom to be left in the lurch at such short notice.

      “To have so few pieces of recording equipment available has bestowed on them the status of a holy relic, upon which the well-being of so many vulnerable and disabled people hinges.”

      We’d be very interested to hear from anyone who has had their appointment cancelled because no recording equipment was available.

      THE MORAL…Demand your assessment is recorded, and that’s everyone, tell them it’s your right to have the fit for work assessment recorded, and you want a copy of the recording on CD, make Maximus dig into their profits and buy recording machines or else get of everyone’s backs.

      NO ASSESSMENTS ON THE CHEAP, IF THEY WANT TO ASSESS US, THEN THEY WILL PAY..!!

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  18. Linda

    Hi Marco,

    As Jeff says, it is essential to contact Maximus and insist that you wish to have the assessment recorded, it is your only insurance against them lying about your condition to the decision makers. Also, I would recommend that you take someone with you to witness the proceedings, don’t make the mistake I made by going alone.

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    1. Marco

      Hi Linda, I will phone them tomorrow then and request this , as for taking some one with me I live alone and in my 60’s now and my best two friends have now passed away alas ,so will not be able to take any body with me! if I’m disallowed my claim i will put in a appeal like i did in 2012 and i won it then all on my own ,no one to take with me ,but i did get help from cab with filling in my appeal form !

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  19. Jeffery Davies

    Also since your last assessment any other medical evidence to date take copys of it and pass it over one at the time making sure they look at it ask for their name and number

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  20. Jeffery Davies

    Well you can look up to see if they are part of their union you see we caught many out who were working but not registered with their union so getting it does help no matter if one forgets or doesnt want to then has soon has you get home write that sar letter to dwp asking for everthing they used to asses you if you need help with this it can be given but dont after the assessment go home and ponder whot they going to do attack them with the sar it atleast shows them you no mug jeff3

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    1. Barrie

      Could you elaborate more on this please do you ask for their name union number and who’s union you referring to, and when you’ve requested a sar letter from the DWP where do you use the both in your arsenal if need be thanks Barrie

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          1. It’s a conveyor belt system, and everyone’s just a number, they’d love to get us all in there on the conveyor belt (to speed things up) gagged (so you can’t scream) and strapped to a trolley and then they can tattoo that number on your arm before proceeding with the assessment, but they can’t, apparently all that’s (so far) illegal.

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  21. Shadow.

    Hi Zoro. Just popping in to say that I had my Maximus assessment over 8 weeks ago and that I am still getting my benefit payment. I had the SAR request today showing the HCP scored me Nil points. Not sure what is going on here as I am a bit confused with this.
    Anyway I thought it would be selfish of me in not letting you know how things are progressing with my claim for ESA. Still look in from time to time to read all the work you & Stilloaks put in here.

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    1. Hi Shadow.

      The HCP scored you nil points and two months later you haven’t even been contacted by the decision maker ?, and you are still being paid ?.

      Long may the payments continue then.

      No wonder you’re confused though, I’m confused too, because it’s the very first time I’ve ever heard of that.
      Usually (as you probably know) the decision maker contacts us within a week, telling us the bad news, and gleefully informs us when the last payment will be.

      I can’t think of a single reason why they would not inform you immediately that you were awarded (hate that word awarded by the way) zero points by the HCP (Hate those three letters too) as I said, I’ve never heard of that happening at least all the way back to early 2009.
      Very strange, is it possible the decision maker has so much work to do that you (and hundreds of others) have been forgotten for the moment ?, I don’t think so.
      Or another possibility…have the DWP taken fright and realise (finally got the message) that they are now (seriously) going to be investigated by the UN ?. And the DWP are now trying to figure a way out ?.
      When the UN investigators see (amongst all the other horrors) that just about everyone is getting zero points at these fixed fit for work assessments, they are going to put two and two together aren’t they ?.
      They are going to say to each other – with braised eyebrows – how can that be possible ?.

      The DWP are – must be – finally realising they will have massive unsurmountable problems to solve very shortly, some of the questions that will be asked by the UN will be excruciating, questions that just can’t be answered in a way that looks credible.

      Well Shadow – like most of the folk who look in on this Blog – you’re not daft, and I’m sure you have worked out already what the DWP have planned by still continuing to pay you – whilst hedging their bets – knowing the HCP gave you zero points. You can’t be the only one.
      Your subject access request obviously threw a spanner into the works.
      As always with the DWP, there’s no rhyme nor reason, at least that’s what it all looks like to us, so take nothing for granted and expect nothing from them anytime.

      *
      *
      *
      (PS) On a lighter note.

      All the good work that’s been done to keep the Blog going is by Still Oaks these days, so cheers to Still Oaks and all the energy he puts in, even though he doesn’t feel that great sometimes.

      At least that’s what I told that CIA guy who phoned me last week asking who is responsible for this Blog..lol.

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      1. Shadow.

        Thanks for the reply back Zoro.

        All I can say at this time is that the dreaded HCP has lied and added his version of events from what actually went on at MY ASSESSMENT. I’m picking at the report right now and whilst doing that going over the recording of this damned excuse of a FTW bollocks we all have to go through.
        So much for writing the report as verbatim. His version is some what off.

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        1. What can I say ?.

          Almost every (99%) assessment report is a complete fabrication, some truth with mostly all lies.

          You know it, the evil twat who assessed you knows it, the decision maker knows it, I know it and everyone on here knows it, the Government all know it, and the appeal panels all know it.
          The only people who don’t know it are the Daily mail reading morons. Unfortunately for us they are the people we really have to convince.

          What’s that saying ? Oh yes…you just couldn’t make it up..!!

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      2. stilloaks

        I am not bitter Zoro but I felt it only right to tell you that I passed your name on to ISIS. (Israeli Secret Intelligence Service) Funny thing is when the guy answered the phone he said “Central Intelligence Agency, how can I help you?”
        Must be an austerity thing, sharing the the same telephone number and all.
        On the plus side that nice Mr Putin, has said that my summer home in Siberia does qualify me for Russian Citizenship.
        “вот и все люди” 😀

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  22. Shadow.

    Hi Zoro.

    THE RESULT IS IN.

    Nil Points from the DWP.

    They used the information I gave them in 2012. ‘ESA50’ & the information/recommendations the HCP supplied. LAST MONTH. However I did send out a new updated ESA50 2015 and gathered medical information. They didn’t even take note of any of this info I supplied to the HCP. It is assumed I can do a lot more than they know what limitations I have. Using the time I spent in my assessment. All of just over an hour of being seen.

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    1. Hi Shadow.

      It was to be expected, that’s the bad news, and it’s what we – unfortunately – all have to look forward to.

      The good news is you will win your appeal, that’s the easy part, the hard part is getting through this mandatory reconsideration nonsense, it’s a waiting game and that’s what they’re relying on to try and break you.

      Get by that (as I said the hardest part)…and you can then apply to the tribunal (you must apply to the tribunal personally now, they no longer do so after the fake reconsideration) to appeal.

      Of course you will mention (when asking for the mandatory reconsideration) that you have supplied new information lately and they should take that into account.

      Make sure you note whether the decision maker has acknowledged (in any return letters) what you are saying, because it’s important later – for tribunal appeal purposes – that you made the DWP aware that new information was supplied and they took no notice of it.

      You can’t lose, if the DWP refuse to acknowledge the new information then that strongly helps you at the future tribunal hearing, if they do acknowledge the new information and point blank refuse to take it into account (they have to state a reason why to try and look credible, but sometimes they ignore your request) then the tribunal panel at least will take it seriously and they will want to know why.

      A win in the end for you, but a dreadful waiting game.

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      1. Shadow.

        Thanks for that Zoro.

        My fight goes on. Yes hard it will be, but I have to do this. Not just for me, but for all of us that are unfit to work. I have nothing but contempt for these within this government or its agents who deem us FTW. All for a dip into the pot of gold. That pot of gold that the British people pay into by paying Taxes. This contemptuous government use this money to pay their way and line their own and their friends pockets. This is not deciding who is or who is not fit for work. It is an attack on the people. To measure up for this false pretense of Austerity.

        On wards and upwards people.

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        1. What’s the point in worrying, the worlds going to end very shortly anyway, according to this religious crackpot.

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3240788/Will-world-end-September-28-Rare-super-blood-moon-eclipse-later-month-herald-apocalypse-says-pastor.html

          That’s the bad news, the good news is Iain Duncan Smith is a Christian (well so called Christian) and presumably believes all this type of crap, so he’ll probably be crazed out of his mind night after night, worrying himself sick until at least the end of this month.

          (PS)
          I can personally assure everyone, that when we all wake up on September the 29th, son of a gun we’ll all still be here.
          And this John Hagee, the Christian pastor, should sit down and shut ficken up.
          He’s scaring the weans.

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  23. Shadow.

    And the wealth shall all be gone and the elite will be just like you & I… Star dust. Well at least we can all imagine such a travesty for them bastards. Roll on the 29th eh.

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  24. The Ex Incapacity claimants with long term diagnosed physical problems are the biggest losers
    the majority will have small ill health pensions from there previous employers
    Under Incapacity benefit means testing only affected this over £84 ////////////9 i believe )
    thereafter a percentage was removed from extra £
    Uder ESA it all counts
    ———
    I was healed by ATOS zero points
    prior to that was on £104 incapacity benefit
    i recieved a £60 pw ill health pension from my employer ( 18 yrs )
    was given 15 points at tribunal 11 months later ESA wrag
    ——————————————————————-
    Since 2014 my ESA has been reduced to £21 pw
    doesnt cover the cost of the enforced £8 council tax + £14 bedroom tax i find myself paying
    There is no support for people like me no public outcry no justice
    ——————

    Having won my apeal i now find myself in the ” WRAG ” I believe if the DM had investigated the data used at the Tribunal then it would be clear i should be in the Support group

    Having several Muscoskeletal conditions all asociated with chronic pain
    all classed as debilitating and degenerative with no expectation of improvement
    Fused Spine with degenerative disc disease at all levels of the lumbar a#spine along with plate irregularity
    “scheuermanns ” disease
    Scheuermann’s disease is notorious for causing lower and mid-level back and neck pain, which can be severe and disabling. The sufferer may feel pain at the apex of the curve, which can be aggravated by physical activity and by periods of standing or sitting;
    this can have a significantly detrimental effect to their lives as their level of activity is curbed by their condition

    Hip “Perthes Disease
    Common symptoms include hip, knee (hip pathology can refer pain to a normal knee), or groin pain, exacerbated by hip/leg movement, especially internal hip rotation (twisting the leg toward the center of the body). The pain is moderate to severe, at times rendering the patient unable to stand. There is a reduced range of motion at the hip joint, and there is a painful or antalgic gait. There may be atrophy of thigh muscles from disuse and an inequality of leg length. In some cases, some activity can cause severe irritation or inflammation of the damaged area including standing, walking, running, kneeling, or stooping repeatedly for an extended period of time. In cases exhibiting severe femoral osteonecrosis, pain is usually a chronic, throbbing sensation exacerbated by activity
    Also have refered pain and problems with the other leg due to altered walking patterns
    Arthritis and cartlidge
    Have developed problems in both kneecaps over the last year which are not helped by any increased mobility

    that apart i believe that the following regulation should be taken into consideration
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    The Employment and Support Allowance Regulations 2008
    Exceptional circumstances Regulation 29
    29. (1) A claimant who does not have limited capability for work as determined in accordance with the limited capability for work assessment is to be treated as having limited capability for work if paragraph (2) applies to the claimant.
    (2) This paragraph applies if—
    (b)the claimant suffers from some specific disease or bodily or mental disablement and, by reasons of such disease or disablement, there would be a substantial risk to the mental or physical health of any person if the claimant were found not to have limited capability for work.

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  25. Marco

    Hello All, Well what a day having got my self all worked up today for my Assessment , my appointment was at 3.30 got there just at 3.15 was waiting , then at 3.45 the lady from receptionist came to see me to ask if i could come back at another date or wait up to an hour , I said I will come back ,she said it wont affect your benefit at all , so they have made me another appointment in 3 weeks time now ! the lady who was sitting next to me was there before me i asked her when her appointment was ,she said it was suppose to be at 3pm asked her how long you been waiting she said since 2.45 pm ,that’s a hell of a long time to wait i said to her ,not good all this is it folk’s ? Any way got to go through all this stress again now of waiting ! also i asked about my taxi fare ,she said they only give up to £5.00 now , (does any body know if that’s true ? ) I said the fare to here cost me £3.50 , just before i left i asked the reception’s to make a note of my double trip for when i come back for my expense’s !!

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    1. stilloaks

      Hi Marco, not sure if that is true about the taxi fare, but it would not surprise me.
      Sorry to hear that you are being put through more psychological torture, it seems these days to be their primary goal.
      I hope everything goes right for you next time.
      Take care and thank you for keeping us up to date.
      It is the best way to help others preparing for this unnecessary torture, by sharing our own personal experiences and is very much appreciated. Thank you.

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    2. Marco…They always double book, ATOS do it (I was once a victim) and now it seems Maximus are carrying on where ATOS left off.

      They double book assessments every day in every assessment centre (some people don’t bother turning up to be assessed and don’t bother telling them) to make sure they always have a surplus of customers. They don’t care if the customer (That’s what they call us) is stressed or has a hard time getting to the assessment centre, as long as they have a surplus of bodies.

      Beware, it has been reported that some folk have had their benefits stopped for non attendance, when in fact they did indeed – as you have – attend their fit for work assessment but were sent home by an ATOS (Maximus same thing) representative.

      I’m not saying it’s widespread, but just be aware it’s a possibility and be ready for them just in case.

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      1. Marco

        Hi Zoro ,It’s disgusting if that’s true ,i can believe it though thinking about it ,they really don’t care what we have to go through even leading up to our assessment’s all the week’s of worry of leading up to it all can be too much for some people , but the fight goes on with me ,they won’t break me !! like i said in past i wont go down without a fight , Just one thing with me ,i just turned 60 so only another five more years to go, oh forgot they raised the retirement age now by one more year !! just one more stab in our back’s !! I will keep an eye on my payments with my bank !!

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        1. If Corbyn gets in then you’ll retire aged 65, he might even reverse and lower the retirement age to 60 with a better pension, who knows.

          Anything can happen now, if a bunch of cabinet Tories get caught in a high profile scandal (possible with that lot) then NO confidence in the Government could be announced and a new general election demanded.

          Suppose some Tories die off and the party can’t recoup those seats in by-elections (instead falling to Labour) then they may not have enough to have a majority and unable to pass legislation effectively, therefore making the rest of their tenure untenable.

          As I said, anything can happen over the next few years, all it could take is just one terrible Tory mistake (pig gate doesn’t help them) and before you know it we all wake up one morning and Corbyn is the new prime minister.

          Let’s try and be optimistic, hard I know…but let’s try anyway.

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  26. jeffrey davies

    when ones arive at assesment centre you ask at the counter for expensive form while booking in this proves you turned up but if you left without picking it up and waiting untill next time to be rebursed i wonder would they cough up has for taxi fares they do still pay whotever the cost has they agree before you even get there when they contact one

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  27. Marco

    Hi Jeffrey, Yeah i did fill out a expensive form when i arrived , I filled in bank details etc . ,it’s when she said they only pay an allowance now of £5.00 , but just before I left after she made a new appointment for me i said to her please make a note of my double trips next time i come back !

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  28. jeffrey davies

    if they agreed before with you then they pay both ways get intouch with your mp on this matter has shes talking shitte I think my brothers was around 54pounds he had his back you bet atos maximus crapita don’t pay this has dwp does

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  29. Shadow.

    Hi Marco. As you know 0r at least should, if you had requested a taxi to the assessment, you would have needed a Doctors letter to cover the request before being granted such. If then they “Maximus” granted you the means of transport via a Taxi, then the full amount of the cost is payable by them. Makes no matter how far or as to how much the cost was. They have given you the right to travel in that way. The full cost is then paid to you in reimbursing you your monies. Don’t let them fob you off with their petty playground rules. You are entitled to the full cost to be paid back to you. I asked for a cheque. Don’t give them your bank details. It only takes a short while before being reimbursed via a posted cheque.

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    1. Marco

      Hi Shadow, No i could not get a doctors appointment till next month October with my doctor , so a doctors letter was out of the question in time for my assement , this i explained to them when I arrived at the assessment place , also any letters requested from my doctors you have to pay for them which i think is also wrong ? should i phone them on there freephone no to find out ?

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      1. Shadow

        Well. In that case it’s your loss. I’m sorry. But that’s my opinion. You should have had it already in place prior to your assessment. But saying that. Having to wait as long as that to see the Doctor is a disgrace, but then Maximus should have been informed about this and you should have cancelled the appointment until you could supply them the doctors letter stating your issue for the request. All in it together for what they can make from us is more like it. Better luck next time Marco.

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        1. Marco

          Hello All, well I received my cheque yesterday Friday for my taxi fare , and going back to what the woman told me last time saying they only allow £5.00 was wrong , as i told her my fare to here cost me £3.50 and the cheque they sent me was for £7.00 , By the way folks the letter the cheque was attached too said ATOS ,came from ATOS Preston office address? I thought they had been sacked by our torie goverment ?

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      2. Elle

        Just to let people know, if you find yourself in Marco’s position in need of someone to accompany
        you to your WCA or Jobcentre (crucial to act as your notetaker and witness along with requesting in advance to have it recorded) join your local Unemployed Workers Group. They are similiar to this forum but meet in person to support each other with their experiences and expertise (and you will find ‘veteran’ expert members skilled in helping you through the whole process and winning). If you don’t have a local one find out about getting help to organise one in your area.
        Strength, knowledge and success in working together.

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          1. Shadow.

            Hi SO. I did a Google search on this and had no luck. Us in the Welsh counties seem alone. The only thing I did come up with was in reference to the year 1935 which saw a major confrontation between the police and South Wales miners protesting changes in unemployment legislation.

            I wonder if jeff3 would remember this 😉 lol

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        1. Marco

          Hi Elle,Thanks for that information ,I googled it and think there is one here in my town ,going to contact them to see if they will help me ? tried making a appointment with my Doctor again he can’t see me at all till end of October ,but managed to get them to ask Doctor to phone me this coming Thursday ,terrible really this ,but it’s been like that with my Doctors for about 5 years now .,you could die before you get too see Doctor !! hopefully when he phones i can ask him to do me a letter ready for them at my new assessment appointment they made with me last time i went on the 28th of September ,my new one is 19th of October !

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          1. Shadow.

            Hi Marco. This Doctor of your’s needs a kick where it hurts. it’s unbelievable you’re having to wait for such a long time, in this your very much need of help from him. I will say that if this were my doctor I would have a very strong word with him. I hope that you get to explain this dire need of his assistance to help you along this slippery path that you are walking. Lay it on thick to him, on just how important this is to you. He has to be told in a very way to drill it in to his thick scull what it is you need from him. I sincerely Hope that chance will come this following Thursday.

            Good luck friend.

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            1. Marco

              I will do my best of course Shadow , but it’s true been like this for longer then five years now , terrible trying to get an appointment with him ! but I’m not alone regarding this too !

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              1. Shadow.

                I surely hope so Marco. I surely do. How anyone should have to wait as long as that for an appointment beggars belief, I’d have moved surgery a long time past. But saying that. it took just over 2 & a half year for mine to get his finger from his posterior.You have to be on his case for as many times as you can. Pester the little toe rag as much as you can. It is a hard road I know. He will, Maybe. Fall in with you.

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          2. serenityskatsu

            My Dr in London it took weeks to get an appointment and then he had no sympathy couldn’t give a fig. I’m in Scotland now and my Dr here is a huge improvement, easy enough to get an a appointment and they give you something for whatever is ailing you.

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  30. Marco

    Hello All , Some good News at last , Well after going for my 2nd Medical Assessment on the 19th of this month , been waiting for an answer since ,well today in post i received my letter from D.W.P. saying i am now being moved from wrag group to support Group , Does that mean they will leave me alone now and no more medical assessment’s and trips to J.C.P ?

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    1. stilloaks

      Firstly Marco Congratulations! Well done for fighting them for the decision which you knew to be the correct one.
      Did they inform you of the length of time for the award?
      If not it would be a good idea to contact them and find out that information.
      It is usually, one, two or three years.

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      1. stilloaks

        Forgot to say for the duration of the award you will not have to go to JCP and there will be no medical assesments until nearer the end of the award. 😀

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        1. Marco

          Also had some silly questions asked me at my medical ,they never asked questions like this before at my previous ones , how long does it take you to have a bath, wont say any more ,but really silly questions, i asked if he was a doctor he said yes and told me his name, but as i’m deaf didn’t hear it properly , he first asked me when i went in as he could see i wear hearing aids ,how we going to do this , i asked how do you mean he siad hearing me i said is there a loop system here installed ,he asked what’s that ?, i thought to my self he can’t be a doctor ? i said they have them installed in government buildings and bank’s etc, he can’t be much of a Doctor if he doe’s not know what a loop system is ?

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          1. Marco

            Hi Leslie, Sorry i can’t help you on that ,as i received just a letter from DWP Saying what I typed to Stilloaks ! they have not sent me any details on how i was awarded points ?

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            1. stilloaks

              From Benefits and Work Website…
              To be awarded employment and support allowance (ESA) and placed in the work-related activity group, you need to show that you score at least 15 points in the limited capability for work assessment.

              (Alternatively, you may be exempt from the assessment or covered by the exceptional circumstances rules. The test for getting into the support group is an additional one which does not involve scoring points).

              The points can come from either the physical or mental health assessment or from a combination of the two. So, for example, 9 points from the physical health test and six ponitsfrom the mental health test would be sufficient for you to be found to have limited capability for work.

              Each test is divided into a number of activities and each activity is divided into a number of descriptors, each of which scores points ranging from 15 down to zero.

              Only one descriptor from each activity, the highest scoring one that applies to you, counts towards your score. So if, for example both 1(b) and 1(c) applied to you, then you would only score 9 points – not 18 – even though one is about using steps and the other is about mobilising. This is because both descriptors are from the same activity.
              https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/employment-and-support-allowance/esa-glossary/1354-work-related-activity-group-descriptors
              Hope that helps.

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              1. Hi
                Was awarded 15 points from tribunal
                foolishly refused offered aditional points for depression

                ESA wrag £21 pw for the last 2 yrs
                only been called into jobcentre twice in that time last one 10 months ago as they see me for what i am

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  31. Shadow.

    Hi Marco. So happy for you now you have what is deserved to you my friend.

    I had my MR decision and have had a no change. I posted off the appeal papers this morning so just waiting to take that slip of paper to the JC office. I’ve been to see CAB and I’m hoping I will get the help from them.

    Found fit by a nurse same as Leslie. And agreed by an incompetent DM. Even though the ESA50 used was outdated and my updated was disposed of. It clearly states on my last MRI that over the years my condition has worsened, not got any better. It’s a tough world out there Marcus. But I am sure glad you stuck it out. ^5

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    1. Marco

      Hi Shadow, thanks for your comment’s ,just never give up m8 ,stick it out till the end !! Just heard on news the tax rebate saga has been voted down by the lords , another kick in the face to the Tories lmao !!

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      1. The votes came after Lords leader Baroness Stowell of Beeston warned peers not to challenge the “primacy” of the Commons on financial matters.

        Lady Stowell said Chancellor George Osborne would listen “very carefully” to concerns about the cuts if the Lords stepped back from rejecting or delaying them.

        Aye right, ficken sure he will…lol

        Cry Osborne cry.

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      1. Jeffery Davies

        L has you only getting 21 pounds you should be asking council about nill monies has they shouldnt be taking any off you seek advice other than you have a partner living with you but if single seek advice jeff3

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        1. unfortunately get a £60 ill health retirement pension
          and my partner
          ( i kidney removed through misdiagnosis which led to 10 yrs untreated chronic pain the other taken out stripped of its nerves and replaced in her groin a catheter internally alongside her spine delivering morphine from an implanted pump )
          receives severe disability + mobility and care
          which she will no doubt lose when assessed and will probably end up on ESA as well
          ————
          the govt states a couple only require £160 to live on
          should try being at home all day and keeping warm
          lol lol lol

          or having to pay for groceries to be delivered or use taxis

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  32. Shadow.

    All those Labour peers who voted in favor. should be stripped of their title and kicked from the House of ill-repute. Maybe tried for contempt even. If they can’t follow the directions of the leader then banish them for good. Be done with these fools that deem it right to follow the opposition.

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  33. Jeffery Davies

    L you need to get advice I was having less four yrs or five iv forgoten but they held that crap over me telling I worked and couldn’t get help has there wasnt any social security anymore but slowly I find they stopped partners monies and strangely my monies went up to two hundred and thirty one pounds so there is still social security yes you got a pension but taking that away from whot I said should leave you with your total hope this helps has they realy do take yhe p the dwp

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    1. Beware of Government tricks.

      If one phones the Department of work and pensions (DWP) and asks hello is this the Department of social security ? ((DSS).
      They’ll just say NO it’s not, you have the wrong number, and then put the phone down, hoping you’ll take the hint and never phone them again.

      In other words, there is no such a thing as the social security.

      So it’s true, there is no social security…anymore.

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  34. Jeffery Davies

    Yes they keep telling you that but iv found out it is two hundred thirty one pounds for a couple yes they hid this away but now find its not the esa they say one has to live on no rent no rates either but how I got to it well its gone completely out of my two brain cells but its still there otherwise I be on l monies

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  35. Well a very merry xmas ile be having
    ——————
    Wife been invited to attend SDA to jobseekers interview on dec 1 st
    ————————————————————
    will score zero points in the assessment
    and zero points at appeal
    —————————–
    physically more able than me
    yet unemployable through her illness

    lol lol lol

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    1. stilloaks

      Hi Leslie, have you asked for it to be recorded? If not contact them and ask for it to be recorded.
      This is very important and may even get the assesment put off till after Christmas as they do not have a huge number of recording machines.

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  36. Hi
    Will be doing and asking for the qualifications of the asssor
    —————
    Wife Has LOIN PAIN HEMATURIA SYNDROME the prevalence of LPHS is about 0.012 percent. This qualifies LPHS as a rare disease
    ———-
    has a internal catheter implanted alongside her spine connected to a morphine pump implanted i her stomach
    had one kidney removed ( through misdiagnosis ) and the other relocated in her groin

    to look at her theres nothing wrong with her

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  37. stilloaks

    I assume it is sometime since your wife submitted her application for SDA, so the next step might be to submit a SAR (Subject Access Request) to the DWP for all information and submissions pertaining to your wife. Next is to get a hold of your wife’s medical records. (Unfortunately many doctors charge for this) This will allow you to submit extra evidence when you compare the original SDA application with the information in the medical records. New information on conditions etc can be added in support of the ESA claim, if it goes to mandatory reconsideration.

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    1. 2002 she was awarded sda after ten years of untreated chronic pain ( through misdiagnosis )
      which included 18 months of hospitalisation beetween 1988 to 1992 at that point they removed the kidney as a form of pain relief not realising lphs would pass to the remaining kidney within 6 months when that happened they labeled her as a drug seeker with mental problems and the whole system refused pain treatment’
      12 years of absolute hell

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  38. Her pain clinic have said they have helped in several successful APPEALS
    for others with the intrathecal pumps

    i believe the way foreword would be that not being put in the support group ( is that where to aim ) and forcing her to work would put her in danger due to the inherent risks that come with damaging either the pump but more specifically the catheter alongside her spine ( menengitus being one of several )

    0

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  39. stilloaks

    Absolutely correct. The Support Group is where your wife should be.
    Before the medical get a letter from her doctor or consultant (Both would be even better) backing up that significant harm and deterioration would occur if your wife had to return to work.
    If you can get experienced help from the pain clinic that would be a very good route to take, in the event of an appeal.

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  40. live ruraly 20 miles from leeds ( where the assessment is held ) govt funding cuts mean there are
    very few advice centers around here the village one is open 4 hours once a fortnight pre booked appointments and they are always booked months in advance
    this government really stitched us up
    [[[[[[[[[[[
    question
    when she appeals ( forgone conclusion) after the mandatory reconsideration fails will she still recieve benefits ?

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    1. stilloaks

      During the time period awaiting the result of mandatory reconsideration, you will receive no payments.
      After the Mandatory reconsideration decision is given. Where an ESA disallowance is confirmed following an MR, ESA is payable pending an appeal against a decision that a claimant does not have limited capability for work.

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        1. Shadow.

          Hi Leslie. You should make a claim due to fact of the amount of income you have coming in. A couple would be eligible to at least £140 odd a week.Maybe a claim for Income Support to top up what you are getting now. I would make inquiries, as to the amount you are on doesn’t add up to me. I do know that IS pays around £114 for a couple. See Link.

          Good luck.

          https://www.gov.uk/income-support/overview

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  41. Shadow

    Your OH can claim JSA after the result to be found FTW between the MR and up too the time she gets the MR DM decides. Only when you appeal and have notification from HMCTS can she then claim ESA at the appeal rate.

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  42. Shadow.

    I had a letter from the DWP today. Informing me that they have revised their decision and have placed me in the WRAG. Not what I wanted but at least it brings a result. I shall still go for the SG which is where I want to be. 🙂

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    1. Placing you in the WRAG without you having to appeal to a tribunal (they know you will win no problem, and might even get awarded the Support group) is at least a concession, and that alone proves you are not fit for work.
      It’s just a battle to get the Support group now.

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  43. Shadow.

    And that is what I shall pursue Z. I’m going to contact the CAB come Monday and see what they think about the shift in changing the assessment decision, and MR all of a sudden. Are they getting cold feet I wonder.

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    1. It’s a major concession, if the DWP grant the WRAG without a real fight then that means they are admitting and conceding you are really not fit for work. Remember they are saying it, not the tribunal who are saying it, which most people (and I’m one) have to go through to get that concession.

      There’s one trick they use, and I have to bring it to your attention in case you don’t know about it.

      They (the DWP) may tell you that if you appeal to the tribunal then you could lose the WRAG award of ESA, in other words it works both ways.
      It’s really a bluff to frighten people, as long as you have the support of your Doctor then the tribunal will not demand you come of the WRAG of ESA.
      I’ve never known anyone with Doctors support and have an acknowledgement from the DWP that they’re not fit for work, being downgraded to zero at a tribunal.

      It’s true though that the tribunal have that power, but as I said, if the DWP have already conceded then it’s just a question if you are entitled to the support group.
      It just depends on your Doctor or hospitals support.
      Sometimes, and I’ve heard of this, when a person who really should be in the support group appeals to the tribunal then sometime down the line just before the appeal date they get a letter from the DWP saying…

      We have looked at our decision again, and etc etc etc.

      A bunch of fucken chancers eh ?.

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  44. Shadow.

    Thanks Z. I’ll get on to my Dr about this. Not sure if you knew that the Dr I used to go see had me removed from his surgery, Kind of a long story. But I’ve a new one now. Only seen one of them just a few weeks ago to get a Med 3 from them & a chat to bring them up to speed. So I shall give them a call to book me in for a chat. See where I stand with them.

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  45. jeffrey davies

    just like you shadow i had to change surgerys but then the ones im with now treat me and help just hope you get the same jeff3

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  46. The Chaz

    I had an at home assessment for PIP, the assessor made out that he was concerned about my health and put on a friendly front, then awarded me ZERO points. Same for a centre-based ESA ssessment, made out he was listening, asked suitable questions, then gave me ZERO points. Both Judases exactly the same as ATOS. I had to tribunal PIP and appeal ESA.

    Bigger and bigger problems with DWP, took me 5 months to find out what was happening with ESA, and DWP has insisted on sick notes something not needed for nearly 10 years on Incapacity Benefit. Right load of charlatans..

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    1. stilloaks

      Wow! words fail me. That works out at £122,000 each, just to prove that there are no disabled people, only those “suffering” from benefit dependency. After all Stephen Fiddler Crabb’s mother worked her way out of it why can’t we? Cancer? the best cure is work! The only way you can find that of course, is if you “Develop” your CV, “learn to smile and feel positive”, or through online CBT” and of course learning how to teamwork through building “Paperclip Towers”
      I take back all I previously said about Trident, we do need it, in our hands (NOT the hands of our Psycho never elected) and aimed at Westminster!!!!
      V for Vendetta!

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  47. Maximus will keep the very busy i’m 100% certain different name but same old same old score as many WCA’s with Zero as they can, DWP and it’s descriptors is another part of this government scam the choice of words used such as MOBILISING and not walking if you can walk 50,100, 200 mtrs or not means zero to the DWP , Because of this word they use MOBILISING could mean crawling, using a scooter, or anything really, Then they use the term AIDS (not the disease) but sticks crutches or manual wheel chair , Even if you don’t have them or couldn’t afford to buy a wheelchair, So you also now need some medical reason as to why you cannot use those AIDS that they will assume you could use otherwise

    Their methodology is so wrong it’s almost inconceivable that a western government can legally persecute the sick &disabled in this way

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  48. Shadow.

    Welcome to the world of ZERO Tom. I along with others had a a score of zero for the mobility part of this botched assessment. Even though I tried to explain that with every step I take the pain intensifies. Not even the medical evidence I produced was not enough for the dim wit nurse who did this assessment to find me FTW. He also failed to note my anxiety and depresion even though I had mentioned the fact of it. Telling him about times where I would become agressive which was also noted on my ESA50. But then even maximus faild to use the updated ESA50 I had sent them where instead they had used the old 2012 one they had recieved from the DWP/ATOS. Even though they granted me time to send them an updated version and cancelled my appointment for another 4 weeks. I had to fight my doctor for three years for an updated MRI scan and for more evidence from the Physio department on the three ruptured discs, the bilateral sciatica, the spinal stenoisis, achilies tendonitus in both ankles, No This simply was not good enough for the nurse who examined me. His report was nothing but a fabrication, lies and deciet. Yet I was scored ZERO POINTS Just like you. It was a chance of luck that I had other medical evidence to show. Which I had sent to the tribunal via my case worker at the CAB. The DWP got note of this and changed the decision to allow me ESA and placed me in the wrag early this year. Jan 8th. I am apealing this as I do not think it fair of them to place me in the wrag.

    Fight them Tom. Don’t give up hope. My fight is still on.

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  49. Shadow.

    According to a recent FOI found on speye.wordpress.com asking for a full list of medical conditions that require a doctor to do the medical assessment for ESA PIP. It has been admited by the DWP that a nurse should have not conducted my WCA but instead it should have been either a Doctor or Physiotherapist only:
    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/314412/response/784207/attach/html/3/FOI%20417%20Conner%20S%20response%20final%2017.3.16.pdf.html

    Scroll down and there it is. “Spinal cord compression” One of the symptoms I have.
    Now I don’t know how significant this is in my case, but, I am sure many of you would be glad to know this fact. The nurse that took my WCA had no Neurology nor Physiotherapy qualifications what so ever. Yet found me FTW. I’m thinking of passing this new information to my case worker at the CAB See what she thinks of this new information I have found.

    I’ve a good mind to make a full complaint to the DWP about this information I have found and see what they say. CC Maximus.

    I would love to hear your take on this new piece of information that has come to light.

    Shadow.

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      1. tom warner

        The WCA isn’t anything but a farce a F2F interview nothing more, I have recently been diagnosed with Stage 4 OA in on knee, Seen the orthopaedic surgeon and my x-rays and it don’t look good, (very obvious changes ) he has referred me for a Knee brace , basically he agreed with me about delaying the TKR surgery as i don’t want to repeat it again 10-12yrs down the line, he examined my knees, and was able to feel the looseness/wear in the joint
        But commented on that i had maintained full movement which some people don’t
        But the lack of exercise due to the knee has caused me to gain lots of weight and this is now having an impact on my general health high BP has been stage 2 levels , i need this brace to be able to exercise & loose some weight and avoid BP meds

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      2. Revised WCA
        Handbook
        MED

        ESAAR2011/2012HB~001
        Date: 5 July
        2016
        ——————————-
        This training has been produced as part of a training programme for Healthcare
        Professionals approved by the Department for Work and Pensions Chief Medical
        Officer to carry out benefit assessment work.
        ———————————–
        The HCPs have to ensure that they are fully familiar with all the conditions a
        claimant has indicated on an ESA50 or
        in the available evidence (such as Med 3, 113, previous ESA85/IB85 reports)
        before commencing filework activity or a face-to-
        face assessment.

        Various resources are available such as the LiMA repository,
        relevant and appropriate Evidence-Based Medicine (EBM) based internet sites
        , and
        the HCP may also discuss the case with an experienced HCP / CSD (Customer
        Service Desk) HCP / MFC (Mental Function Champion) HCP.

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  50. Shadow

    I have received a phone call from the DWP just a moment ago. I am shaking as I write. After confirming my name and asking if he could talk and ask just ONE question and if I would answer him I said it would all depend on what the question was. NO I did not record the call. I had not had my recording device with me. I was taken by surprise.

    Anyway. He went on to ask if I was appealing for support group to which I said YES that is correct. I did ask him why he had asked me this and he said that I would be hearing from him again withing the next few days. I had a little blow out with him concerning things that had gone on at my assessment with the HCP lying and fabricating the evidence I had handed him.

    Is this the end of my fight, Have they finally conceded? I bloody hope so.

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    1. stilloaks

      Hard to say what is going on there Shadow. Did you get the name of the person you spoke to?
      Also keep a note of the time/date of the phone-call and write down as much of the pertinent details from the call as you can remember.
      I will keep my fingers crossed for you.

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  51. Shadow

    I have no clue myself either SO. I didn’t pick his name up as I was trembling a little bit and in a bit of shock when he said he was from DWP I spoke more than he did lol In quite a bit of an aggressive tone. However I did call my case worker directly after dropping the call and apparently she also had a call from them too but she was busy with another client at the time.

    I also mentioned the FOI I posted earlier and she asked if I could send a link or a copy of that information. 🙂

    Mind you don’t get cramp crossing them fingers now wont you SO 😉 Cheers.

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    1. If the DWP decision maker thinks you can win an appeal before a tribunal for the support group – or anything you are appealing against – they sometimes just concede.
      They’re trying to cut down on people winning appeals, there’s to many, and it’s making the DWP look bad.

      With the DWP…you never know what they’re going to do next though.

      Good luck Shadow.

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      1. Shadow

        Thank you Zoro. All down to you and the fabulousness of the site you shared with the late Nelson.
        I do not know where I would be if it were not for people like you. I owe you a debt of gratitude.
        Cheers.

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  52. Shadow

    Right. In a nut shell. A bit confused, but. Had a call back from my case worker.The appeal courts have asked the DWP to re-submit paper work and to answer as to why they had a change of heart in awarding me ESA WRAG as the old appeal has now been archived and no longer available. The Judge is asking/telling the DWP to submit all updated notes before him so as the new appeal can continue.

    That’s the gist of it folks.

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  53. Anish

    Hi all,
    My mother is 62 years old, she has been getting esa for last few years. I had been thru several tribunal appeals since 2010 when she first made the claim and in the end she was put on wrag and hasn’t been bothered for almost three years . Today she has received an essesment form from the new company maximus.
    She has got another 3 and half years left till she reaches her state pension age.
    Do you guys think they will be lenient or take her age under consideration when assessing her case?
    I thought it would be a lot easier for dwp to leave her case alone at her age, well, my mum thought so untill this morning.
    Any advise will be greatly appreciated. ( it could be a matter of just buying time / delay things for as long as we can)
    Many thanks

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    1. Hi Anish.

      It’s been most peoples experience that they take nothing into consideration, not age, not health, nothing.

      There is a way to delay the assessment though – and in some cases delayed for months – is to demand the assessment is recorded.

      You can also of course wait as long as possible to send back the ESA form but still keep their deadline, and make sure you attache notification on the ESA form that you wish the assessment to be recorded. They may try and fob you off with a phone call (as they did with me), or sometimes a letter, telling you (and they’re bluffing) that you can’t get your assessment recorded, but you must insist that it’s your right to have the assessment recorded and it’s also your right that you must get a copy of the recording on disc before you leave the assessment centre.

      They are so short of recording machines they sometimes don’t contact you for months, it’s been known – with some people – for the Government assessors to abandon the assessment altogether with the DWP saying they’ve looked at your situation again etc.

      Nothing is guaranteed though, they might just whip out a recording machine just for your mum, but the chances of that are very slim, because the truth is we are just numbers to them, and they have very few recording machines to spare.

      Good luck and let us all know what happened.

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  54. stilloaks

    Hi Anish, leniency is not a word in the Maximus / Atos / Capita vocabulary.
    Do you have access to a local CAB to help you fill in the ESA 50? It would be better if you could organise something like that, also does your mum have a supportive Doctor who can write a letter of explanation of her health problems? As much medical evidence as you can get hold of should be included with your completed form.
    Above all you must ask for the assessment to be recorded and check back with them several times to ensure that it will be.
    A useful guide on the ESA50 and completing it is available here…

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj7zNKJ8Z_MAhUMDcAKHSefA8MQFgg2MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nawra.org.uk%2FDocuments%2FCardiff_Mar_10%2FFit%2520for%2520Purpose%2520%2520A%2520Guide%2520to%2520Completing%2520the%2520ESA50.pdf&usg=AFQjCNF8PMSL1RA8TxazHME1L0wqqy3-lQ

    Hope that helps.

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    1. Anish

      Thanks, thankfully we have a team of good gps in our surgery so should be able to get a supporting letter. I will have to fill the esa50 form myself as getting a CAB is next to impossible in timr.

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  55. jeffrey davies

    has above but it depends where one lives councils are now helping to fill the esa or pip forms has they now have welfare officers filling the gap jeff3

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  56. Shadow.

    Hi Anish & Welcome.

    You mention an appeal. Does your mother still have a copy of the verdict. IMO it could be of some use. You can’t really tell, but it’s worth a shot adding this too the ESA50. It could bare some weight, but I wouldn’t count on it.

    Another thing. Transport. How would your mum attend? You could hit them with a request for a Taxi to and from the designated office of interogation. You will how ever need the doctors blessing and a letter stating this fact that a Taxi is required for traveling.

    Good luck to your mum.

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  57. Anish

    Hi, yes i have all the paper work, when my father past away i knew it was going to be tough for mum so i kept a separate file just for dwp papers.
    Normally i take her to the assesment myself.

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  58. Anish

    Quick update:
    I have posted the esa50 today. Deadline is 20th of this month. I have included a letter by GP supporting her claim also tribunal letter from the past.
    Lets see.
    Now waiting for face to face assesment. I have requested for the interview to be recorded.

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  59. CE/4405/2013

    DECISION OF THE UPPER TRIBUNAL
    (ADMINISTRATIVE APPEALS CHAMBER)

    Decision

    1. This appeal by the claimant, brought with my permission given on 3rd February 2014, succeeds. In accordance with the provisions of section 12(2)(b)(i) of the Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act 2007 I set aside the decision of the First-tier Tribunal sitting in Luton and made on 29th May 2013 under reference SC914/12/01182. I refer the matter to a completely differently constituted panel in the Social Entitlement Chamber of the First-tier Tribunal for a fresh hearing and decision in accordance with the directions given below.

    Directions

    2. The claimant should consider requesting the tribunal to hold an oral hearing and in default of such request consideration should in any event be given as to whether an oral hearing should be held. The parties should regard themselves as being on notice to send to the clerk to the tribunal as soon as is practicable any further relevant written medical or other evidence. The fact that the appeal has succeeded at this stage is not to be taken as any indication as to what the tribunal might decide in due course. The new tribunal will have to consider afresh all of the evidence and make its own findings of fact.

    The Relevant Law

    3. Employment and support allowance (“ESA”) was introduced by section 1(1) of the Welfare Reform Act 2007. Subject to the satisfaction of other conditions which are not relevant for the purposes of my decision, section 1(2)(a) of the Act provides that a claimant is entitled to ESA if he satisfies the “basic conditions”. The basic condition that is disputed in this case is defined in section 1(3)(a) as being that the claimant “has limited capability for work”.

    4. Section 1(4) provides that:

    1(4) … a person has limited capability for work if –
    his capability for work is limited by his physical or mental condition, and
    the limitation is such that it is not reasonable to require him to work.

    5. Section 8 of the Act provides that whether a person’s capability for work is limited by his physical or mental condition and, if it is, whether the limitation is such that it is not reasonable to require him to work shall be determined in accordance with regulations which provide for an assessment by reference to the extent to which a person who has some specific disease or bodily or mental disablement is capable or incapable of performing such activities as may be prescribed.

    6. The relevant regulations are the Employment and Support Allowance Regulations 2008. Regulation 19 and Schedule 2 provide for the assessment. Regulation 19(2) describes the assessment as an assessment of the extent to which a claimant “who has some specific disease or bodily or mental disablement is capable or incapable of performing the prescribed activities”. Regulation 19(3) provides that a claimant has limited capability for work if he obtains a score of at least 15 points in respect of descriptors listed in Schedule 2. Regulations 20 and 29 set out certain circumstances in which a claimant is to be treated as having limited capability for work regardless of the assessment score.

    Background and Procedure

    7. The claimant is a man who was born on 30th May 1962. The papers are inconsistent as to his occupational and benefit history. The Secretary of State’s submission to the First-tier Tribunal stated that he had been entitled to incapacity benefit (the predecessor benefit to ESA).since 2nd May 2002. The medical examiner recorded in 2007 that he worked as some kind of manager until he stopped work in 2005. On 7th February 2012 the claimant completed form ESA 50. This is a 20 page questionnaire about limited capability for work and is reproduced in the Upper Tribunal file. The main difficulties to which he referred in his answers were caused by the effects of an old fracture in his right hip resulting in a shorter leg, damage to his neck ad shoulder affecting the grip in his right hand, trouble sleeping causing loss of concentration and memory, and borderline depression. His GP had also referred to chronic back pain.

    8. On 18th March 2012 the claimant was examined on behalf of the Secretary of State by Dr Dibor. On the basis of Dr Dibor’s report the Secretary of State decided on 4th May 2012 that no more than 6 points could be allocated (in relation to mobilising) and that as from 25th May 2012 the claimant no longer had limited capability for work and was not entitled to ESA. After representations from the claimant and a further report from his GP (dated 4th May 2012) the Secretary of State decided on 2nd October 2012 that a further 6 points could be allocated in respect of limitations on his ability to stand or sit at a work station. This made a total of 12 points, but this was still below the 15 point threshold and the outcome decision on entitlement was not changed.

    9. Meanwhile, on 6th June 2012 the claimant had appealed to the First-tier Tribunal against the decision of the Secretary of State. The First-tier Tribunal considered the matter on 29th May 2013. The claimant attended with his wife but was not represented. The tribunal confirmed the decision of the Secretary of State, agreeing that it was appropriate to allocate 12 points. It made no comment on regulation 29 except to say that “No exceptional circumstances applied in terms of Regulation 29(2)(b)” (paragraph 9 of the statement of reasons). On 17th October 2013 a judge of the First-tier Tribunal refused the claimant permission to appeal against the decision of that tribunal. The claimant now appeals by my permission given on 3rd February 2014. The Secretary of State opposes the appeal and supports the decision of the First-tier Tribunal.

    The Issues

    10. The representatives now acting for the claimant have raised a number of grounds of appeal, but in view of my decision to allow the appeal it is only necessary to address two of them.

    11. The first issue relates to the identification of the date of the decision of the Secretary of State that was under appeal to the First-tier Tribunal. Section 12(8) of the Social Security Act 1998 provides:

    12(8) In deciding an appeal … the First-tier Tribunal –
    (a) need not consider any issue that is not raised by the appeal; and
    (b) shall not take into account any circumstances not obtaining at the time when the decision appealed against was made.

    12. On the face of it the decision under appeal was made on 4th May 2012. There was some indication that the claimant’s condition had worsened between then and the date of the First-tier Tribunal hearing, but if 4th May 2012 was the date of the decision under appeal, the effect of section 12(8)(b) is that such deterioration could not be taken into account by the tribunal.

    13. However, the claimant relies on the provisions of regulation 30 of the Social Security and Child Support (Decisions and Appeals) Regulations 1999. There is a general rule in section 9(6) of the 1998 Act that an appeal against a decision of the Secretary of State lapses when the decision is revised under section 9 before the appeal is determined. Exceptions to this rule may be created by regulations. Regulation 30(1) of the 1999 regulations provides that such an appeal shall not lapse where the revised decision “is not more advantageous to the appellant than the decision before it was revised”. The effect of this exception is that in such cases the claimant does not have to submit a fresh appeal against the revised decision.

    14. Regulation 30(2) lists “Decisions which are more advantageous” for these purposes as including decisions where more benefit is paid or benefit is paid for a longer period, or a financial gain will accrue to the appellant, or the amount of any recoverable overpayment of benefit is reduced or the benefit is decided not to be recoverable, or a disqualification or restriction or suspension is removed, and certain other eventualities.

    15. The claimant argues that the list in regulation 30(2) is not exhaustive (which must be correct), that the decision of 2nd October 2012 increasing the number of points from 6 to 12 was “more advantageous” for these purposes and that the First-tier Tribunal could therefore take account of deterioration in the claimant’s condition down to 2nd October 2012.

    16. I do not accept this line of reasoning. The increase in the number of points from 6 to 12 might affect the type of work that the claimant could be expected to do, but he continued not to have limited capability for work within the meaning of the ESA scheme, and he obtained no financial benefit from the increase in the number of points. The list in regulation 30(2) might not be exhaustive but every eventuality listed has financial consequences within the social security system (indirectly in the case of a decision to reverse an earlier decision that there has not been an industrial accident). On the basis that all cases that can come within a list must have something in common with the essential features of the list, my opinion is that a revised decision that has no financial consequences, such as a decision increasing the number of points but giving a total that is still below the threshold, cannot be included in the meaning of “more advantageous” for these purposes.

    17. I also point out that if the claimant’s argument were correct, the effect would not be to enable the First-tier Tribunal to take account of the deterioration. It would be to lapse the appeal to the First-tier Tribunal, requiring the claimant to make a fresh appeal (which would now, of course, be well out of time).

    The Regulation 29 Issue

    18. In so far as is relevant regulation 29 of the Employment and Support Allowance Regulations 2008 provides:

    29(1) A claimant who does not have limited capability for work as determined in accordance with the limited capability for work assessment is to be treated as having limited capability for work if paragraph (2) applies to the claimant.

    (2) This paragraph applies if
    (a) …
    (b) the claimant suffers from some specific disease or bodily or mental disablement and, by reasons of such disablement there would be a substantial risk to the mental or physical health of any person if the claimant were found not to have limited capability for work.

    It should be noted that “any person” in 29(2)(b) includes the claimant himself.

    19. The claimant argues that the First-tier Tribunal was in error of law by simply stating a conclusion on the applicability of regulation 29 without considering how that conclusion was reached in light of the claimant’s difficulties and the kind of work that he might be expected to do. The Secretary of State argues that regulation 29 was not raised in the appeal to the First-tier Tribunal and that it is not compulsory for that tribunal to consider regulation 29 in the detail now suggested by the claimant.

    20. Virtually every appeal to the First-tier Tribunal against a decision by the Secretary of State that a claimant does not have limited capability for work raises the issue of whether regulation 29 applies. It is inherent in the decision and should at the very least be given some thought by the tribunal (except in obvious cases or where a competent representative of the claimant concedes that there is no dispute about it). In this case, of course, the First-tier Tribunal did give regulation 29 some thought, but not in any detail. A number of Upper Tribunal decisions have been cited to me on the amount of detail that is required. I do not propose to review them. I agree with the comments of Judge White in NS v Secretary of State [2014] UKUT 0115 (AAC), CE 2298 2013 that whether regulation 29(2)(b) requires to be considered depends on all the circumstances of the case (paragraph 41), that the more narrowly focussed the descriptors become the more likely it is that the “safety net provision” of regulation 29(2)(b) will be in issue (paragraph 50), and that if it is in issue then some reason must be given for any conclusion (paragraphs 52 and 53).

    21. The amount of detail that needs to be given must depend on all of the circumstances. If the tribunal finds that a claimant has no difficulties at all in any of the relevant areas of activity, then that might be all that need be said. However, in the present case both the Secretary of State and the First-tier Tribunal found that 12 points should be allocated. This was serious stuff. Only one more point-scoring descriptor needed to be identified to take the claimant over the threshold. In such a case an unreasoned conclusion on regulation 29 amounts to a failure by the First-tier Tribunal to give proper reasons and is an error of law.

    22. For the above reasons this appeal by the claimant succeeds.

    H. Levenson
    Judge of the Upper Tribunal
    8th May 2014

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    1. It apears that if a tribunal awards you points it should then look in depth as to wether rule 29/35
      applies
      seemingly this isnt happening
      Many who had the correct advice apealed to the next tier and won
      there are many examples on the net the one above is typical

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      1. Shadow

        My appeal date is set for a little over two weeks time. Going to get my teeth into this link. Cheers LP.

        Will also send this to my case worker at CAB. This could be very useful to my appeal. Thanks Leslie.

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  60. Anish

    Well done, posted mum’s esa50 today. Lets see. Can’t believe they are putting her thru all this trouble she is 62 and has 3 years left for her state pension.

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  61. Shadow

    A Question…

    I wrote to the DWP asking for a copy/SAR of the LiMA computer questionnaire that was used in my assessment along with the written additions made by the HCP that were typed into the programme.

    Today I had a reply. It goes on to say:

    “Please note that if a HCP does make any notes during an assessment they are always destroyed once the information is transferred to the Centre for Health & Disabilities computer system LiMA”.

    Instead they sent information that I already hold in a form of the Medical Report Form.
    IMO I do not believe them, not one bit.

    This is a vital piece of evidence that I would have liked to have had. It would show the lies fabrications and everything else corrupt about this WCA.

    Can anyone confirm this please ?

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    1. Hi Shadow, not sure what they are talking about here sounds like playing games. Have I got it correct that what you wanted from them, was a copy of your medical assessment report?

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      1. Shadow

        Hi stilloaks,

        What it was that I had requested was the actual LiMA Examination Result along with the written notes added too by the HCP.

        The Medical Assessment Report was included in my SAR I had sent for back in September of last year.

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          1. Shadow

            That is why I put it to you all SO. It felt very weird to me that they would do exactly that.

            As I said. ” I do not believe them one bit”.

            Why exactly would they want it destroyed. Makes no sense to me at all.

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    2. in reality they would have no requirement to make seperate notes
      they ask you a question
      you answer
      they decide which box to tick

      however anything entered manually into the program me should be visible
      ———————-
      if you end up mandatory reconsideration
      dwp
      ask the dwp for a statement of reason regarding any decision
      any evidence they based their decision on
      and in the case of finding you fit for work
      ask them what work the dwp considers you fit for

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  62. Shadow

    Hi Leslie,

    I am at the appeal stage which is due in a little over a weeks time. I have gone through the MR stage, I’m not sure if you are up to speed with my case.

    FTW… Even after submitting a MR.

    Appealed October 2015

    Sent further information to the HMCTs November 2015.

    January 2016 DWP inform me of a change and award me ESA WRAG.

    Made a request for a further appeal for SG. Even though I could possibly loose WRAG

    The very last page of the forms sent in a MR Notice is two sided with recommendations to seek training and life skills. Via Working links and others. Salus is among them. So to is Remploy. First Aid for example. Employment focused educational course designed to help people into employment. Group support sessions. Referrals to external agencies. Health management courses. CBT. “Cognitive Behavioral Therapy”. Dance and performing arts. Designed to prepare people for employment as a performer. Volunteering opportunities. Customer services. College courses.

    It’s quite a mouth full with nothing to suggest any form of real employment they think I am or could be capable of doing. But plenty of training and the such.

    There is more. But this is just a sample of the ideas they have given in getting me into employment.

    And yes the HCP did place additional information into that machine. It is called the Medical Report.

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  63. jeffrey davies

    like working in a office but when pointed out whot office they said in the back office i asked who incharge of my safety if i blackout they then forget to state that working like that is against working practises but then hay who are we jeff3

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  64. Shadow

    Hi jeff3, This was the reason I had requested this information early in the year only to not get that bit of info, so I had to make another request stating that I wanted that information only 30 odd days ago in the hope it would come through with a chance to run over it with my case worker at the CAB. There are things written by him in that report that I wanted. And for it to be shown what he said at my appeal.

    The bastards will say anything to fob you off at the DWP. There is no fucking way this was destroyed. They are holding information away from me. Information that could prove crucial for me at my appeal.

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  65. jeffrey davies

    yet we win at appeal they tightining up on whot they release now in those sar we ask for just another ploy that they do but win we do shadow and hope you do too

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    1. Shadow

      All I wanted was too see the tick box questionnaire results that were entered into the LiMA programme, along with what the HCP had entered in relation to my answers I gave him, to what I thought would have related to which tick box was scored. Having that info would be a big difference to how the points were awarded in my examination.

      To state that they destroy the evidence in relation to my assessment. Or any assessment for that fact, is and surly must be a total lie. You would think they would keep all records pertaining to anyone’s Medical Examination. No matter that the session was recorded on a duel tape recorder, it unfortunately doesn’t prove what was entered into the machine.

      I am flabbergasted at the reply they gave.

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      1. Hi Shadow, I think I may have found the reason they will not give you a copy of the questions and replies as entered into the LIMA programme. They claim it is because of commercial interest. From an FOI I found…

        “Were the public sector to release, under the Act, commercially valuable information such as
        that inherent in the LiMA system, the public sector would find it difficult to engage the expertise
        of commercial licensees (an expertise the public sector does not have) in deriving latent value
        from its information systems, to the detriment of the general taxpayer who would be deprived
        of the royalty revenue which might otherwise be realisable. For these reasons, we believe that
        it is right to maintain the exemption in relation to the specific information you seek.”

        Although the request on that FOI was different from yours, it would indicate why they will not release any LIMA collected information.

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        1. Shadow.

          Ummm! ?

          In othe words. Mind your own business then I take it.

          There is or should not be any exemption as to the details input into that programm. They are partly mine. And my answers belong to me. As does the input to generate the findings are a part of my assessment, and in that case be subject for scrutiny. And made available to me.

          This is total bolloxs.

          Cheers SO.

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  66. Shadow

    The LT54 is liken to the HCP’s Medical Report. The DM, whom has no medical knowledge, I presume, has simply followed what ever the HCP has made in his findings and has simply made an agreement that the HCP is correct in his assessment of me.

    It is therefore true what has been known to us that it is the HCP who decides if we are FTW or not. And not the Decision Maker at the DWP. Overriding all the medical evidence collected and shown at our assessments.

    Not forgetting that it took two months for my decision to come through telling me of the outcome.

    It is of my opinion the LT54 is meaningless. It was all in what the HCP stated in making a statement that according to his clinical findings I am FTW. All the DM is there for is too tick mark me in agreement with the NURSE that assessed me.

    This is where the LiMA report is of significant value to me.

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  67. Shadow

    My Appeal was set for Today. But… I had a call from HMCTS Telling me that my appeal has been cancelled. Cancelled I said. Yes. Cancelled. Asking if the DWP had conceded he said no. The courts are awaiting a letter of some sort to be added to what they already have. I have no idea of what this letter consists of that they are requiring to put my appeal on hold. Also they want me to give them permission to access my medical records.

    I’ve never heard of this ever happening before. I’m about to call my case worked & CAB to try and get a much bigger picture of what to think of this matter.

    Why would they not proceed with the hearing that was set for today and all of a sudden call me to say it’s been put off for another day?

    Frustrated is not the word I would use. All this time preparing myself for today wasted. I’m rather slightly pissed off.

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    1. They might be waiting for a letter that’s to your advantage Shadow.

      That’s happened to me before, the DWP hadn’t informed the appeal panel that I actually won my last appeal, they worded it in a way that made it look like I lost my last appeal.

      It was spotted by my case officer, and he asked me before we went in to the tribunal room if I lost my last appeal, I said why what’s that got to do with this appeal ?, the case officer replied because the DWP are slyly saying you aren’t entitled to ESA because you have just recently been unsuccessful in your last appeal.

      The scumbags (deliberately, by using sly wording) meant my last reconsideration appeal, not my last tribunal appeal.

      The case officer pointed out to the panel that this was misleading and the appeal should be abandoned in my favour, the panel didn’t actually agree to abandon the appeal (nice try by my case officer), but agreed to postpone the appeal until they heard the truth from the DWP decision maker.

      The case officer said…THEY – the appeal panel – WERE NOT AMUSED THAT THE DWP WERE TRYING TO TRICK THEM.

      (Who likes being fooled ?)

      I came back a couple of months later, and after the DWP were forced to fess up with some grovelling reply, I WON MY APPEAL.

      So as I said it could be to your advantage, if not, then your advisor will almost certainly be onto it.

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  68. Angela Morris

    Fuming just received letter stating i didn’t attend assessment cannot attend something i knew nothing abiut , no lettet or phone call, i rarely go out and when i do answer phone is on 24/7 , got to wait till 1st june to find out if my benefit us being stopped or if i have to attend for assessment. Has anyone else had this experience.

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    1. It’s never happened to me personally.
      But in the past hundreds of people have complained – on various forums and Blogs – they were informed by the DWP that since you didn’t attend such and such an assessment at such and such an assessment centre on such and such a day…your benefits have been withdrawn.

      Do ATOS and now along with Maximus do that deliberately ?, I believe they do, the purpose being to help clear their massive backlog.

      What can you do ?, the only recourse is to inform the DWP that you have received no such letter to attend an assessment and therefore you wish to appeal immediately. Ive heard they sometimes just give you a new appointment rather than let it go to an appeal.

      As I said it’s never happened to me personally and I’ve had seven assessments going back to the health care company – Slumberger Sema – all the way back even before ATOS, but I believe it has happened to plenty of others, Maybe even someone on here.

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    2. Shadow

      Normally the DWP would send out a Form BF223 for your completion and to give reasons as to why you failed to turn up. The DM will look at your reason and if it is decided that it is of a good enough excuse then they will simply make a new appointment for you.

      You are not alone in this, as Z states.

      On many other forums people have had the same incidences of not receiving that call up paper.

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    3. S

      Saw your comment and had to reply. Yes they did this to me. About 18 months ago. I appealed and was very snobbilly questioned by a lady on the phone who ridiculed me and did everything but call me a liar. Went to a tribunal (No pay for the 7 months it took to get to tribunal) . Judge ruled in my favour. A wonderul lady from citizens advice and my MP’s office told me their had been about a dozen in the area all with the same issue. Coincidence? I think not

      Vile

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  69. Linda

    Hi Angela, as Shadow says, you will receive a letter from DWP, asking for your reasons for not attending, they won’t stop your benefits as long as you reply to them, and then they will make another appointment for you.

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  70. stephen

    Hi everybody. Just come across this website and see there is some great information.

    I was awarded in June 2012 esa support group. In May 2014 I was sent a letter saying because of the ending of Atos medical service I was to be extended on the support group for another 2 years.

    My 2 years have ended this June. I have not heard anything from DWP, no phone call and no ESA form from the new medical company” Maximus”

    Is there any backlog again or any other reasons why I have been just left.

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    1. Shadow

      Hi Stephen, Welcome.

      You seem to be doing alright for now as I would presume you are still receiving benefit payments. Which is a good thing. Maximus have a backlog indeed, Do not worry. The brownie could drop through any day soon.

      Time to start the process over again. Get everything ready. But for now do as you do. No need to panic just yet.

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    2. Hi Stephen, that’s good advice from Shadow, use the time to get everything ready for the next assessment and try not to worry yet, Maximus seem to be in meltdown at the moment and are struggling to reassess everyone as quickly as the Department of Woe and Punishment would like.
      Take care.

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  71. healed by ATOS 2013
    1 yr on ESA
    3 yrs on esa wrag reduced to £21
    4 trips to jobcentre + to see ” my ” advisor who agrees ime unemployable through illness
    3 Debilitating degenerative progressive skeletal conditions
    ——————–
    As wrag claimants are supposed to be capable of returning to employment at some future date
    At what point can i look foreward to actually having what i consider to be the correct level of benefits ??????

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    1. jeffrey davies

      yep they are saints at atos making us fit for work or is it that brucie bonus they get for marking you ffw hmmm yes iv been cut down to 31 pounds a week but had appealed and was waiting to go for that tribunal yep had my monies backdated won have you appealed their waiting on them but the jcp i talked about phoning me which was done but used my mp for this

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      1. Won the apeal april 2013 11 months after asesment o points
        was awarde 15 points recieved backdated benefit
        1 month later march 2013 ESA wrag becomes means tested
        £60 ill health retirement pension and wifes mobility + care
        allows tthem to reduce to £21
        and enforce £9 council tax to go with the £14 bedroom tax
        ————–
        34 yrs as the sole breadwinner reduced to feeling very inadequate

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  72. jeffrey davies

    yep a backlog but has shadow sais start getting your medcal notes ready has they will come like you i had a extra year for me through this backlog but have now recieved their brown one ready to start the fight again jeff3

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  73. jeffrey davies

    then one has to look at the assesment scoring iv forget whot these are called now sorry leslie perhaps someone can point you in the right direction to get oneself into the support group

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  74. pandytaylor

    well I had my ESA done last Monday 16/05/16 was in support group and by wed 18/05/16 I was informed that I got 0 points even though nothing has changed I was diagnosed with crps after an accident in 2012 if anything things have got worse constant pain poor mobility and unable to mobilise without my sticks . And guess what nothing but fabrications on my report the HCP said she done various lower limb checks when she didn’t also said I done a leg movement that is designed to be done lying down and all was normal even though she stated at the beginning of the report I was sat down on a chair with my leg resting on it for the 43 minutes of the assessment. Also quite a few other things she messed up on .Mandatory Reconsideration letter sent today pointing out her obvious contradictions took me 9 days to go through the report and compile the letter but I will not let her get away with it (complaint going into maximus regarding her lies with a copy of the recording my daughter made and if they do not take me serious I will release the recording to the papers and anybody else who will listen to it because there is enough proof on there to prove she has lied .:) posting on behalf of my partner

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    1. Shadow

      So glad you had it recorded. Don’t expect any sympathy from either the DWP nor Maximus. It’s all old hat these days. Deny deny deny. FTW. The cheating lying HCPs are expected to cross the t’s before the DWP dot the I’s.

      Appeal. If your MR goes pop.

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  75. stephen

    Hi Pandytaylor,

    Great news you have been placed in the support group. Just wondered, did they tell you how long before you will be re-assessed again. Do they still only give 2 years.

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  76. When i was asessed I refused a physical exam
    told the ” nurse ” she wasnt qualified to do an examination and they had already put me through enough physical exhertation in making me come to be assessed
    sat rigidly in the chair for 40 minutes ( biig mistake )
    as it was easier to deal with that pain than various pain from repeatedly standing and sitting bearing in mind i have hip/ spine and knee issues

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  77. Richard Tedeschi

    Isn’t an individual or company (Atos Death Care and Maximus in this case) who makes money based on lies and paid by the tax payer called FRAUD and punishable with fines and jail?

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    1. That’s true, but Goering decides who is and who isn’t a Jew.

      In other words, the people who make our laws and legislation decide if ATOS/Maximus are criminals or not.

      That alone tells us that this is no better than a Nazi state, someone said…A Dictatorial democracy.

      Churchill (that bloated self serving murdering criminal) once said, Democracy… it’s not great, but the best there is.

      Somehow I don’t thinks so Mr Churchill, at least not your kind of (waste thousands of lives at Gallipoli, deny us an NHS, and workers rights) democracy.

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      1. Alex

        Agreed, Churchills defense of democracy was the defense of a Cunt.
        Better than other forms? An Unelected Hereditary Monarchy is not this shite.
        Dictatorship, Tyranny, Despotism & Corruption are off the Charts with our elected
        officials in the UK.

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  78. Richard Tedeschi

    I had an ESA assessment with Maximus the other day, I already know they will score me zero points as they do or try to do with everyone… (I had already two assessments with Atos Deathcare in the past before having my total knee replacement and they scored me zero at both, appealed and won both very easily and obviously I can add).

    I have taken an ESA self assessment test online and I score 12 points in my opinion, less than the 15 required to receive ESA.

    My question is if anyone knows the answer, my condition is fluctuating (and neither Atos nor Maximus take this into consideration), which I told the Maximus assessor as well, meaning I have a total knee replacement and endurance limitations, if I walk or stand too much next day it will hurt most of the time and I can’t stand or walk for at least a day and have to rest, any job walking or standing for too long (even standing still for 30 minutes are out for me, can’t do them anymore).

    I told Maximus farce visit this, I’m wondering if the job centre is going to pretend from me that I apply for any job even though I can’t do any of those with too much standing or walking…???

    Many thanks, cheers 🙂

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    1. Richard…you sound like a decent chap, who wants to do the right thing.

      So I’m going to be truthful with you, I hope you don’t take offence.

      AND THE TRUTH IS THEY COULDN’T GIVE A RATS ARSE IF YOU LIVED OR DIED, AND THAT GOES FOR ALL OF US. IT’S ALL A FARCE.

      Watch this…the late George Carlin explains what’s going on.

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      1. George Carlin was a genius.
        I got my appointment in August mid-month after I sent out the evil E50
        (1 day before deadline). I will meet the scammers in 2 weeks! Yikes!
        However, after learning so much from reading your posts I will request my “ass-essment” to be recorded. If it causes delays for them…wink, wink😉.
        I will be armed with information. I will ask the person their credentials/name.
        I will ask CAB person to accompany me if possible. Information is power. If I get 0 points, I will fight til they give in. I will make their fascist process as painful for them (which is how I operate at Job Centre) as it is for me. I had the dubious “pleasure” of being in Maximus “Work Program” and I abused them for all they’re worth…in the end they gave up on me.
        They torture the weakest in our society to gain profit (both DWP & Max) which is morally repugnant.
        Zero points? Bring it motherfuckers!

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  79. Richard Tedeschi

    Hi Zoro, lol no I don’t take any particular offence, this is not personal, we’re really “All in it together”… (as some muppet in government says…).

    I’ve been going through this for a long time now I already have experience… I’ve seen people with half skull being given zero points, people in coma in hospital being sanctioned for not going to the Job Centre, I have protested on the streets outside of Atos Deathcare centres.

    I guess they are happy if/when someone dies because the corrupt mafia government hates the poor sick and disabled who cannot be oppressed and enslaved to support their (the millionaires in government who work for billionaires and other millionaires like themselves) parasitic lifestyles…

    I already know what to do when I receive that manipulated report full of lies, I’m going to ask them on which basis they can prove how I function properly and repeatedly and score zero points with a total knee replacement, I have done it in the past and it has worked.

    Me and my wife are moving out of the UK anyway this year onto other and better (in our opinion) things…

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  80. Richard Tedeschi

    I know Zoro, we all know here… how do you prove hunger, thirst or… pain?

    I have medical science, other people with the same situation as me and a big chunk of titanium and plastic in my knee to back up and prove what I say, Maximus/DWP/Government have nothing to backup what they say or prove it is as they say and that score point test they use makes little to no sense when you have a fluctuating condition.

    Mmmm… I dunno I guess it is OK for some people to being used, politics are one of the biggest tricks played on humanity making us or trying to make us believe they are necessary, it is a soap opera, they need us, we don’t need them, people like to be entertained whilst being oppressed, enslaved and robbed blind…

    We’re relocating to Malta with a plan that will allow me and my wife to take it a little more relaxed as far as money goes as it is quite cheaper to buy home and cost of life over there, my mother (and my father who passed away a couple of years ago) are helping us.

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  81. Anish

    Upadte: it has been over a month i posted mum’s esa50 back to the DWP. Nothing has come back in the post yet.
    I had asked for the assesment to be audio recorded i also sent them all the tribunal documents from past that went in our favour.
    3 more years to before she reaches her pension age.
    Lets see.

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    1. Asking for a recording definitely drags it out a bit.

      They are short of recorders apparently, and so short of recorders I heard (benefits and work e-mail) they are starting to use old fashioned tape machines to record assessments.

      That’s how low their profit margin is, they can’t afford to splash out on decent recording machines.

      Well who cares ?, that’s not our problem.

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      1. Shadow

        Maximus have been using tape recorders since they took over. It was what was used at my Interrogation. I did say to the HCP, Who has a tape deck in this day and age, don’t you have a CD recorders. lol

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              1. Shadow

                Lol.
                Lucky me has a two deck player on my old cd, radio player. Plus two mobile phone recordings for back up. Sound was good on tapes.

                No. Not one of the old large tape player recorders.

                PS. I’ve one of those in my bedroom. ;-). Ha ha.

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  82. Alex

    Seriously Guys, This abuse of People in Need of Help is only the Tip of the Ice berg with Elect A representative Democracy. Democracy is known as Pimping in English. Most people do not want to be whores that have to fuck/vote & give everything they have to Pimps/Politicians to take care of them, yet some people still pursue democracy as an end & it is going strong both in Europe & the USA due to all the propaganda, distraction, Coercion & denial surrounding what democracy actually is. When was the Last time a Politician mentioned the truth regarding who his bitches are, what arrangement they have to consent to supporting, how he/she treats them, who gets which end of the deal. For example People given a true choice free of Conniving, Manipulation, Coercion & Deceit would decide to have Freedom not enslavement at their own expense. Health Care paid for all, University Paid for all, A Gun that someone can steal & conceal for use in a crime would not be allowed, A guaranteed home for the poor & elderly & those unable to work. This is what Freedom really Looks like. Instead the whores support the Pimps which support Pimping which is called Elect a Representative Democracy. Yet True Pimping is more honest, than one person one vote of Democracy & still in the West, Unproven Democracies still successfully turn out their bitches to vote or to get fucked as a majority. The reason is that once abused it is all the victims/whores know to do. Not a good direction for Humanity, sticking to Peace, Human Rights & The Rule of Law are more Important for Humanity’s Development which is not wanted at any cost by Pimps in the West. The Bulk of the Ice Berg is what is done with our consent to rape, pillage & plunder others around the world. Creating, Installing & Maintaining Religious Extremist Fanatics is being done in a shameful way, with maximum denial, it’s grotesque. Expecting Decency or Civility from such Politicians is optimistic to say the least.

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  83. Alex

    They were called Atoss, because the Government couldn’t give A Toss about the people. Now they are called Maximus after the Gladiator, because the Government will have their Gladiator Maximus do to the people exactly what the Govt wants to do to all their ill whores which they respectfully call citizens to deceive them.

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  84. Richard Tedeschi

    Did a Maximus assessment about a month ago, still haven’t got a letter back from DWP with the usual zero points they score to everyone, not that I care that much nowadays, dealing with this farce feels like being catapulted back into the stone age…

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  85. Andy

    Hi
    My partner is due to go for one of theses assessments next week, is there any good advice you can give us.
    She has schizophrenia with social phobias plus other smaller conditions due to medication side effects and is currently in the Support group having no previous atos type medical before.
    She used to be on IB indefinite before being put on ESA.

    Thanks

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  86. Linda

    Hi Andy,

    Make sure your partner asks for the assessment to be recorded, this is her right, and it also cuts down on the lies. She should also take as much medical evidence with her, (I would also send any up to date medical evidence to DWP as well, to be kept on her file). Make sure she has someone with her at the assessment to support her.

    Good luck.

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  87. Andy

    Thanks for your reply,

    Yeah, i plan on going with her
    When she got the appointment letter she rang to request a private room because of her social phobias but they said ring back just before the date.
    Shocking she said its very hard to organise but you can stand outside on the main street till its your turn.
    On her questionnaire she told them she takes her medication twice a day one being at lunchtime but requires a sleep after because they knock her out.
    Her interview is at 1.30 pm but it takes at least 40 mins to get there and find somewhere to park etc.
    Do they even bother to read theses questionnaires beforehand.
    Evidence wise it hard to get her GP to write her a letter he is adamant they will contact him and he will make clear the risks if found fit.
    She has got from him her conditions when diagnosed and all medication prescribed.
    Its even harder to get contact with her psychiatrist who controls her medication/condition usually its a 6 month wait, due to him being head of the Northwest.

    Thanks.

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  88. Linda

    “Do they even bother to read theses questionnaires beforehand.”

    No, they might just skim through them before the appointment. You are allowed one cancellation, if you haven’t already cancelled an appointment, I would ring and tell them that the time they have given, is not convenient, as it interferes with her meds. Ask them for a time and a location that suits you.

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  89. Richard Tedeschi

    Got a phone call today 01-07-2016 from DWP decision maker after one month I did Maximus work capability assessment, no surprises this time either: they scored me zero points just like the other two assessments I had with Atos which I appealed and won, the farce carries on and on… just another reflection of a totally corrupt and morally bankrupt government with no signs of civilisation………

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    1. Linda

      Sorry to hear that, Richard. Have you asked tham for a mandatory reconsideration? It’s scandalous the way they treat people, I hope you get the decision overturned.

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    2. You’ve nothing to lose Richard by demanding a reconsideration and just appealing.
      You can still sign on, and appealing – which costs nothing – will help affect their fallacious figures.

      We want them to see that mandatory reconsideration’s and threats are getting them nowhere.

      Everyone should just appeal on principle. AND MAKE THEM WORK FOR THEIR MONEY.

      If I won the lottery I’d still appeal just to show these vultures they were wrong.

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      1. les

        Hi
        How can you sign onto JSA
        thats an admission you are ” fit ” for work isn’t it
        ———
        ESA is for those either totally unfit (support group)
        or temporarily unfit ( wrag )

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        1. You’re allowed to sign on for certain types of work and still appeal.

          That’s the rules, you’re not admitting you are work fit, but could possibly do some kind of work, what that work could be if you have a damaged knee is difficult to say, perhaps answering a phone somewhere, which you haven’t a snowballs chance in hell of getting.

          Now here’s the rub, to show you how mad and desperate the system is, you could sign on and be told by a work focused advisor that you are not actually fit for any kind of work therefore you can’t sign on. Even thought the Government doughballs like I.D.S have already said you can apply to sign on and still appeal against an adverse unfit for work decision.

          You see ?, there’s no rhyme nor reason, it’s all just a farce, even the minister for the disabled is totally clueless to what the Biopsychosocial model espoused by Mansel Aylward is, presumably then he’s never heard of one of the biggest diddy’s ( A so called Professor) that ever walked gods earth and filled Iain Duncan Smiths and other Government heads with nonsense like pain is all in the mind.

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  90. Richard Tedeschi

    Hi Linda, it is OK 🙂 as after all I am lucky, my wife and I are relocating to live in Malta later this year with the help of my family, though as I stood for sick and disabled rights in the past and protested on the streets, I stand now.

    I asked for a copy of the work capability assessment over the phone today to see how they reached this decision, I sure don’t score zero points, I know for a fact as I have a total knee replacement and physical and endurance limitations and the way they scored me zero points other times I know it is all a farce… I say there is close to nothing medical about these assessments, they are political…

    The first time Atos scored me zero points was more than absurd… I went there on crutches, with a smashed knee with severe arthritis with piece of paper from the hospital that I was on a waiting list for total knee replacement and the name of the orthopaedic surgeon who later operated me, they (Atos and DWP) both went against what the surgeon and I said and that I would be ok with just a couple of months of physiotherapy and that’s it (no mention of my needing a total knee replacement or nothing else), another one miraculously cured by Atos.

    I’ll see what they tell me at the job centre on Wednesday when I’ll sign the JSA contract that I can’t just do any physical job with too much standing or walking like before, I want to work, in fact I have already been applying for jobs, just not as many jobs as I could do before.

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    1. Linda

      Same here mate, I was assessed by a midwife who measured my knees with the span of her hands, and pronounced me fit to work, even though it turned out later that I had a badly fractured my kneecap, which had been misdiagnosed by the hospital, I am still waiting for a knee replacement to this day.

      I returned to work, and was subsequently dismissed on the grounds that I was not fit for work by a subsidiary of Maximus called Health Management, , (you couldn’t make this shit up)

      I have had to sign up for Universal Credit, and they know I can’t do anything physically demanding, so, in their wisdom, they have instructed me to apply for a job, which on the application, states that it involves lots of heavy lifting. I despair, I really do. Don’t you just love these miracle healers?

      Good luck with your relocation to Malta, I envy you, at least you will be out of the clutches of this demented government.

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  91. Richard Tedeschi

    Hi Linda 🙂 ah knee problems, I am sorry to hear, I genuinely emphatise… to me we are really all in it together, we have to stay together (not like some buffoon said some time ago, the same buffoon who said Britain doesn’t quit and then he himself quit), I will as long as I live on the crust of this earth stand and fight for any type justice and offer an alternative which is good for the majority and not the minority like most governments worldwide do… I really despise politics as we know them.

    I received the DWP letter today, zero points, at this point it is not even worth for me to reply, it is all set up to fail basically everyone… nothing has changed just the name Atos before and Maximus now, two fraudulent companies.

    Something similar to what happened to you happened to me when I was in the work related group, I told and showed them many times I can’t stand or walk too much, the first job they found me was waking up a 4 in the morning and standing all day in a supermarket scanning products for inventory, I had to refuse, I told them why and they didn’t like it (you can’t make this shit up), I am actually surprised if/when they do get something right!

    I’ll see this coming Wednesday at the job centre what happens when I tell them I can do only jobs sitting down and with not too much walking.

    I was born in the UK and grew up in Rome Italy, been in the UK for eight years now, can’t take the weather any-longer, my home and destiny definitely is in southern Europe, I’m glad we can finally return there with a good plan (buy home and investment courtesy of our family helping us since life is so much cheaper down south).

    P.S.

    The government of the UK is actually pretty good (just about, still) if you compare it to the Italian government, but then Italy has been one of the most corrupt and thief governments in Europe for a long time but apparently the UK is now, I was reading an article about a mafia expert who points to this.

    Thank you so much for the nice wishes, I wish many good things and happiness to you too 🙂

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  92. Andy

    Her assessment seemed to go pretty well, strangely tho it was mainly questions relating to PIP.
    She hardly said a word and he said his report will recommend the Support group again.

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  93. Richard Tedeschi

    Had Maximus assessment and scored zero points. Signed up to the Jobcentre and applying for work now, as I have a total knee replacement and some endurance issues standing and walking too much, it says on my JSA agreement I can look for jobs with no standing in one place of more than 15 minutes and not too much walking, I cannot be forced to look for jobs with too much standing or walking, this how this was dealt with by Jobcentre if of any interest to anyone.

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      1. tom warner

        Sadly the HMCTS tribunal judges and medical panel members (often made up from retired dr’s) also appear to have their own agenda too, it’s not unheard of for deserving people to be denied sickness benefits , and some believe it or not don’t observe their own rules and act outside the law , i have had first hand experience of this

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    1. tom warner

      And nor could you be expected to walk any sort of distance from public transport, or be expected to stand whilst on public transport

      I also have been told i need full knee replacement i also have osteo arthritis in my opposite forefoot, and in my wrists /hands , having seen their report and DM report following the MR , i see their lies , they claim that my wca lasted for 1hr 40mins this is despite the fact the wca was audio recorded and it’s duration is less than 40mins, they also claim that i sat for some 50mins ? and that i have no problems with stairs, which is also incorrect, they also used the old imaginary wheelchair lines to deny awarding esa at the MR stage, assuming that if i had a manual wheelchair that i could propel myself more than 200mtrs, even though i do not have said wheelchair, and my GP sees that due to problems with my wrist/hands propelling my self in a wheelchair could be problematic and my mobility would be reduced further, that’s before you take into account of heath conditions associated with wheelchair use, like muscle wastage and weight gain and associated high blood pressure,
      The there would be the practicalities of storage and being able to use the wheelchair at /in the home, as well as being able to use on public transport at peak times ,

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    2. Anish

      Thank you guys for your reply, will call them around 20th to confirm they will be recording the assesment as i had already asked for the recording when i sent the form.
      Can’t believe they are making her go thru all this. She only got 30 months before she reaches her SP age.

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      1. Shadow

        Hello Anish.

        You should get a reply from them confirming the recording will take place. If not follow it up before your mum turns up. Tell them in no uncertain terms you want it recorded. No if’s no butt’s. Get it in writing. E-Mail would suffice.

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  94. Andy

    Missus got her letter from DWP a bit of a generic letter stating placed in support group, no details at all from the assessment or anything about points and how long etc.
    Is that normal?

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    1. They don’t want to give any information or make any concessions that can be used against them in the future.

      Now that the Support group has been conceded by the DWP, your wife has nothing to lose by requesting a breakdown of the points awarded and what was the recommendation of the assessor etc.

      Yes it’s normal Andy, as I’ve indicated above the less they tell you the better it is for them (because they’ve put little in writing) when they next time they call wife for an assessment and try and put her in the WRAG of ESA or shock horror try to pull a fast one and make out shes fit for work.

      They will possibly say no points were awarded because your wife definitely fitted the criteria for the support group of ESA, if so then get that in writing. It will help in the future.

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  95. Richard Tedeschi

    Very informative Zoro, thanks as usual, I don’t have any more interest appealing DWP decisions now, I’d rather concentrate on looking for work for the next two months and most importantly our move to relocate and live in Malta.

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    1. Shadow

      Hello Richard.

      Slightly saddened at your decision not to appeal, but that is your choice to make alone. I can understand the way you feel about this farce of bringing the Government to heel. As one Labour MP said just last week, but without the violent tone used. In fighting for what this is all about. Your right to a benefit taken away by one HCP and the DWP DM & the whole WCA.

      I can only offer you a hand shake and a wish of good luck to you & yours in your new homeland. All the very best too you.

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  96. Anish

    Hi all,
    Update: received mum’s appoinment today for her assesment.
    It’s on the 25th of august.
    To buy more time i am planning of postponing the appointment.
    Need advise from you guys to how to delay the appointment and what to tell them when i call to arrange another appointment.

    Many thanks

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    1. Wife’s assessment 3 hours before she was due to be assessed
      I had demanded ir recording and also that the assessment was done by someone with adequate knowledge of her condition and the usage of intrathecal morphine pumps so at minimum it had to be a DR
      ———————-
      canceled due to
      1) recording machine broken ( lol as i believe they only have the 1 in west Yorkshire )
      2) no DR available ( obviously cost more than a nurse midwife or therapist )

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  97. Hi Anish, have you asked for the assessment to be recorded? If not then contact them immediately and ask for it to be recorded that usually delays the appointment. You will have to confirm possibly several times, that it is going to be recorded as there are many who have asked for a recording find that when they get to the appointment, they claim to have no record of a recorded assessment being asked for.

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  98. Richard Tedeschi

    Thank you for the well wishes Shadow 🙂 we’re relocating in October this year less than two months from now. I have appealed in the past twice and DWP decision was overturned easily, I have protested in the streets and in front of Atos in Brighton in the past as well, we’re all in it together for real…

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    1. Shadow

      It’s a tough nut to crack, being unable to pay for legal assistance, gathering medical evidence, and then cutting legal aid stopping people who have no funds to pay for getting a legal representative. CAB are pretty good though. A great help. But even they are not able to attend the courts to assist, due to cuts.

      The whole system needs being abolished. It is a farce and nothing more.

      The Nazis thought it was a JOKE too…

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  99. Anish

    Another update:

    I called the maximus today to confirm my mum’s upcoming assesment will be recorded.
    Person on the phoned said: if the facility is available on the day than the assesment will be recorded and if not they will send us another appointment.
    I also insisted on have something in writing confirming the recording. I explained my mum had bad experience with atos and how they lied in many accaisions which put her thru a lot of stress and anxiety and that is the reason why she wants the recording done.
    Person on phone also said he will send an email to the relevent department and we should hear from them soon.
    Lets see.

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    1. Linda

      If you get to the assessment and they tell you that the recording equipment is not available, ask them for a travel expenses claim form, this is proof that you turned up for the appointment. They can’t then lie and say you were a ‘no-show’.

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      1. jeffrey davies

        no lins ask for it has soon has they now you are you then ask for the form has the buggers could very well hold this back if no recording there they use any method to show a no show

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    2. Shadow

      Hi Anish,

      I hope you recorded the call for your own and mums sake. They can and sometimes will refute that they said anything along those lines to you if the need arises for you to prove the existence of that call ever took place.

      While Linda is right, I would go another way about it. Do not ask if the recording equipment is there just yet. First and foremost, you should ask for the expenses claim form, fill it in and hand it back to the admin staff who gave it to you, asking for a copy of that form for you to keep as evidence of attendance. Second and most important is you have recording equipment with you to use and running on arrival. Make sure it’s working before hand, use two devices if you can as back up if one should fail. “I used three of which one failed.” Then and only then. Ask about the recording equipment. You can simply make a fuss and tell them to re book the appointment as and when the recording device is available. Turn around and walk out. No if’s no butts. You have proof of attendance with the expense claim form. One more thing. Try and take a photo outside of the venue. Just to show you were there on said date. and one inside the waiting room. Preferably with your mum in them. Just in case mum is dressed as she would normally dress as they have a habit of telling porkies on how one is attired.

      🙂

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  100. Anish

    Thanks a lot guys.
    Really appreciate your responces.
    For now we just have to wait.

    My mum’s appointment on the 25th of this month, so if i don’t hear from them by 22nd, i will give them another call.

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  101. Kenn Gordon

    Once again Back, This time it is not about me Hooray I hear you all shout.
    This time it is about my wife. My loving wife is unfortunate enough to have a condition called “Spino Cerebellar Ataxia SCA 13” This is about as rare a condition as they get, with only 3 families in the world suffering from this exact genetic affliction. The is a family in Philadelphia USA, a family in Lyon France and Our family here in the UK. The condition is on my wifes side of the family and also affect’s her two sons and our grandson. Yesterday I was acting for my stepson at his “CAPITA” medical and today for my wife.
    Now I dont know if this is a deliberate ploy to try and “Catch out” claimants for PIP or if the Nurse was in fact just 1 hour early. Anyway she arrived and sat down and started asking the usual questions. So I asked this “Nurse” what she was a Nurse for (knowing full well there are a wide variety of nursing skills etc ) she told me she was a Locum A&E Nurse. I then asked her if she knew what my wifes condition was. She answered “of course I Do” so I let that slip for a while until she asked the question “Was my wife expected to make a recovery” (I will just refer to it as SCA13 as the rest is a lot of repeat typing) I said SCA13 is a Progressive and Degenerative Condition with no known cure and will only ever get worse. so this nurse then asked are some days better than others (again see previous answer) some days are the same and some days are worse but no day is ever better than the day before. At this point my wifes Physio arrived for his appointment on time so he carried on doing his thing and the Nurse then decided that she could conduct the medical “Without my wife” (I know that they have to conduct a Physical examination and I also know they are supposed to ask for Proof of the patients ID None of this happened) so my wifes Medical examination for her to qualify for PIP was done without my wife or indeed any proof that this was my wife. When she was finished asking ME questions on my wifes disabilities. She said that her report would go to a DM and then be passed up the DWP food chain until a final decision would be made on my wifes claim . I shall let you all know how we get on and like I say Fortunately for us my wifes Physiotherapist was actually in the house at the time so this will prove interesting

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  102. Anishh

    Another update, i am afraid it is rather a starange one:

    My mum has an assesment appointment tomorrow. Well, had one.
    Ok, so i called CHKD last monday to confirm her assesment will be recorded, i also sent an email on saturday regarding recording. I got a reply on monday saying that the request has been sent to the relevant department and we will be contacted in due course. I wait till yesterday (tuesday) afternoon nothing comes so i emailed again. I get a reply within minutes saying she is chasing the birmingham office and will get back to me asap.
    I check my mail this morning, nothing. So i emailed again, not loising my cool at all, be as polite as i can be under the circustances.
    After an hour or so i get a call from my mum saying she has been contacted by the CHKD/maximus saying: they have obtained her further medical history/report from her GP and her case is currently being considered by thier health expert so she doesn’t need to go for her assesment tomorrow and they will contact her again in due course. Person on the phone must have realised my mum doesn’t undestand english very well so few minutes later a bengali speaking agent called and explained her the same thing in bengali. I also called them to reconfirm and this really seems to be the case.

    Confused???

    I have just sent another email to the person i have corresponding with to confirm what have been said on the phone.

    Very strange indeed.

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    1. Hi Anish, hopefully this could be good news. It is possible that they did not have the recording equipment and decided to look at the evidence supplied to see if it was worth there while
      rescheduling and getting the equipment. Realising the strength of the medical history records and GP letter they decided not to bother with the face to face interview.
      I certainly hope that is the case and will keep my fingers crossed for you.
      Let us know how you get on.
      Best wishes to you and your Mum.

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  103. Have an asessment 16th sept
    been on £21 ESA wrag since march 2013 (assessed march 2012 )
    ————–
    Midway through June i wrote to my GP asking him to support me as i know ile receive 0 at assessment and 0 at mandatory and will have to take it to tribunal same as last time
    —————————
    although he would gladly give me indefinite 6 monthly ” sick notes ” as ime patently too ill to work with several debilitating degenerative progressive muskoskeletal disorders
    include all the info from DPAC and Black Triangle
    —————-
    ALL RETURNED BY POST THIS AM unanswered
    took him 2 months not to read it
    what hope is there

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  104. Shadow

    I don’t think Dr’s are much concerned when it comes to supporting patients in these barbaric WCA’s/Pip assessments that are taking place. Most seem to think the DWP will write, asking for information by means of a 113 form to fill out, and that’s all they deem to think that’s all that needs to be done, when in fact it is simply is not enough. They get a payment from the DWP when filling in these forms. The Dr who completed the 113 was insufficient in the facts of ailments and conditions his patient has. Well mine was. My appeal was canceled at the last moment stating the Judge wanted more information and requested permission to contact my “NEW” Dr for all medical notes in my case. If only they were more helpful in allowing us our medical notes in the first instance without any delay and without requesting a payment for such evidence to be used in our fight for DEMOCRACY. What a fucking joke! This is not a democratic right. It is a farce and day light robbery. £50 – £100 is an insult to be paying for what is rightfully ours. Not as if they have to redo what is already on file now is it. And it doesn’t cost that much for the ink or paper. I know.

    Yet another scam against those who can not afford to buy medical information that is so desperately needed. It is disgusting on how much these so called Health professionals charge for this vital info we need when questioning these lying toe rags Maximus, crapita, atos and the ilk.

    ALL IN THE NAME OF AUSTERITY. Eye right it is. BOLLOCKS.

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    1. jeffrey davies

      means of a 113 form to fill out, hmm that initself doesnt hold much info cost 33pouns or so yet to not fight baCK is a crime has we leave these criminals get away with it shadow its all has you state a scam the biggest one ever were culling the stock under the guise of wca its far far too many heve died at their hands aktion t4 hitler only made 600000 on his figures alone rtu ids surpassed this figure but then justice will we ever see it hmmm i just hope karma gees up a bit

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    2. tom warner

      Not only this but they know that whatever they write in supporting letters ect is usually ignored anyway, plus GP’s are pushed for time as well

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  105. Shadow

    It’s not only the 113 forms jeff3. The medical evidence produced in the way of letters from Physio and consultants goes awash with these corrupt bastards in keeping with what the HCP reports as fact. A fucking NURSE. Who has not one iota of knowledge in real terms along with the shysters of a DM. Yes OK they have been a nurse for a number of years, Served in the army medical corp for a number of years, gained experience in the field, but that doesn’t give them the right to decide who is and who isn’t FTW after the TRUE FACTS.

    Raymond Mcbrien lied over and over and made countless assumptions.

    http://tinyurl.com/zw2342e

    I charge you with CONTEMPT & SLANDER.

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  106. jeffrey davies

    they dont want medical evidence has they ignore it you now that its can you bend down stand up thats their medical just like the german one but we also know that all that lovely evidence one sends to the dwp becomes new evidence at tribunals yes corrupt but untill it gets better we got to play the ga,me but to play well that means we give up but with the knowledge of us all we get there

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    1. Shadow

      Yes jeff3 that seems to be the truth. As you, I, and countless others find out that the truth hurts when it comes to the DWP and this fucking Nazi Government when handing over vital medical evidence. Why bother. Why bother at all if what we have to do, to obtain these documents in the first place, for them to be ignored and pushed under the carpet by these scrupulous bastards.

      Then in that case. DON’T BOTHER HANDING THEM OVER. The way I look at it is: The ESA50 is sufficient in itself for their eyes to see our reasoning to claim a benefit we are entitled to. No need for them to see the medical notes we may have obtained if this is the case.

      KEEP THEM FOR THE APPEAL. FUCK THEM UP IN A NEW LOOK IN DEFEATING THEM. If they will not accept our notes. Then I suggest from now, is fight them with an appeal. Keep your notes for a court to decide. Make them pay for our troubles in court. See them bleed crawling on the floor for redemption. Not even the buffoons behind a desk pretending to be DECISION MAKERS. Don’t make me laugh! Ha ha fucking ha.

      Still no news from the appeal courts. How long has it been. I really don’t know. I can’t remember, but I have the letter, it’s just I cant be bothered to look.

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  107. workhorse1

    It has now been 8 weeks since my ESA f2f reassessment which lasted 14 mins. I have as yet to receive a decision. Is this this the “norm ” I am getting more and more distressed as each day passes. I do not use the phone due to anxiety. Any input would be gratefully appreciated.

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    1. Linda

      8 weeks seems a long time to wait for a decision, but if they are still paying you, I would try not to worry. They possibly have asked for more information from your doctor before making a decision. Usually, if it’s bad news you would hear a lot sooner. Good luck.

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  108. Shadow

    If you are that concerned then maybe you should get an email off to them asking them “DWP” for the delay in processing your claim.

    As Linda says. If you are getting your monies then try not to be worried to much.

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  109. workhorse1

    Thank you Linda and Shadow for your input, I am still receiving payments and am reluctant to “rock the boat” so to speak lol. This is my 4th F2F and suffer from anxiety and depression, osteoarthritus ( had 1 knee replacement ) currently waiting for second knee replacement and hip replacement. Both are currently on hold as my bmi is too high at present. However my physical issues were not mentioned by the hcp during my interview? Perhaps they think ive had a miracle recovery. This site is amazing, so informative guys keep up the good work.

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    1. Shadow

      Hi again workhorse1,

      If you feel the need to write. Here is a template for your use. Edit where needed.

      correspondence@dwp.gsi.gov.uk, contact-us@jobcentreplus.gsi.gov.uk

      To whom it may concern,

      Please ensure that this email is passed promptly to the department that deals with official complaints.

      I had a WCA on ____________ I have still had no word from the DWP of the outcome of that WCA and I believe the delay to be inappropriate, as well as unnecessarily distressing for me.

      Please investigate this matter as a Tier 1 complaint, as 2 months is extremely excessive for a decision. I also expect the details of the decision to be sent to me – in writing only, please – with immediate effect. You have 5 working days to respond before I involve my MP. Please make sure you include a written Statement of Reasons with the decision letter. Please note that I recorded the WCA, so any attempt by the DWP DM to lie, misrepresent or omit data favourable to me will result in further action being taken against the party(ies) responsible.

      If you have any queries regarding this matter, then please contact me in writing, only. Email to this address is acceptable, and I accept responsibility for my data whilst in transit.

      Yours sincerely,

      _______________________

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        1. jeffrey davies

          its been asked in court recording ones wca isnt against the law recording it without telling them is not against the law its atos maximus crapita that doesnt like it jeff3

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        2. Shadow

          Well kenngordon.

          In that case. I am guilty of braking the law. I recorded using my own recording devices besides having a duel tape recorder supplied by Maximus. What are they going to do about it. SFA as far as I care. How many times did the HCP and Maximus brake the law in making false accusations and lies against me. Writing official medical reports and making a case for Slander if it were possible to do so. Where is the LAW FOR US.

          Imagine walking in for an assessment thinking the recording device they use was not faulty and after getting home to listen to the tapes only to discover they were blank and that the recording failed. Where would we stand in proving the lies they submit. What a right 2 & 8 that would place us all under eh!

          It was my decision to use my own apparatus and mine alone, to know I had the evidence to use against these rouge assessors and to show the lies made if I was found to be found FTW.

          Telling me that I had broken the law goes against the grain as far as I care. Do you think I was wrong in doing so ken. Please elaborate.

          If. & only if you are a troll causing a stir then please go do some research on Maximus and Atos before telling me that I have broken the law.

          SHADOW.

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        3. There is nothing stopping you covertly recording the WCA – where the grey area comes in appears as far as I am aware as to how you use it.
          If you transcribe your covert recording you can use that in evidence at a tribunal, not the original recording only the transcription. It is no different to taking notes, which anyone accompanying you is advised to do.

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        4. tom warner

          Why would you want to covertly record them, when they will provide an audio recorded WCA if you request one ? covert video evidence maybe to capture what audio can’t like how they actually examine you , ie the methods they use ,

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  110. Kenn Gordon

    I am sure that Maximus like ATOS can conduct a laying on of hands and cure you in a Laserus effectI saw on ty last night a woman who has 8 hours care each day and that she is afraid of losing her DLA in a switch to PIP. I have also see a woman on the new who has MS and (imho) she is a danger to herself as she walk, she walked down her path to her motability car and for that she was stopped from having Motability. at £23 billion so it is the obvious easy way for the DWP to claw back money. So we become a soft target. Just ask yourself what employer will employ a disabled worker (they will take mild disabilities) but not severe. This is not a question the DWP will accept. Yes we can all do Something. Some of us can work from home with assistance. However the jobs are just not there. There in lies the real problem. With more and more businesses closing each and every day so the unemployment rises. BUT if you are disabled then you are not on the unemployment register per sé. By taking people off the register, simply by sticking them on a course or ESA allows them to play with figures and then the government can claim that in their term they have reduced unemployment. You can do anything with the right figures.A Job used to mean 40 hours a week now it can be anything from 0 hours (even though the powers that be say they have banned 0 Hour contracts, they still exist. For firms it is actually beneficial to employ 5 people doing 8 hours a week rather than 1 person doing 40 hours a week. (they do not have to pay SSP they do not have to pay holiday pay just so many things make it better for the employer) So if you work 8 hours a week you do not qualify for Working Tax Credit so you get social security and other benefits (which cost the DWP just about the same as if you were unemployed BUT you are then one less person on the dole. The problem really exists in the fact that so many people who have never worked and paid their stamp actually take from the benefits pot. Not just UK citizens either. Other people from the rest of the EU can claim benefits (Any form of payments Social security/DLA/ESA/WTC/Housing/Council Tax etc etc ) The pot is smaller and the requirement greater. and Disabled and Sick people are the easiest target because we get more money than the average unemployed person (We require the extra Money to help with our care and Motabilty) but to the DWP this is the area that they have chosen to attack. Able Bodied folks who refuse a Job should have all benefits stopped. Just my opinion

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  111. Anish

    Another update:
    Got a rescheduled appointment for mum. 27th of september.
    I was a bit baffled to TBH so called them to find out.
    I was told that they got the information from the GP and now their specialist wants to see her, a nurologist apparently.

    Don’t know what to do guys🙁🙁🙁

    Any advise?

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    1. Hi Anish, I confess I am as baffled as you are.
      It strikes me as very unlikely that Maximus would have a neurologist in their employ, this is a specialist field. As they are in my opinion a profit driven entity it makes no sense for them to pay to have a consultation with a specialist. (The cost would out-way the reward) I had a good look around the net to see if there was anything similar, but could find nothing.
      I do know that if you had a prior important engagement on the 27th, (Or hopefully not, “you were unwell closer to the time”) you are allowed one cancellation.
      Which might give you time to find out what is going on, perhaps by speaking to your Mums doctor and asking what he thinks?
      Sorry I could not be more helpful on this, I have not come across anything like this before.
      Best wishes to you and your Mum.

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  112. jeffrey davies

    well has long has its recorded and you accompany her there did you ask if its going to be recorded their highly trained specialist could turn out to be that nurse who hasnt any other qualifications

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    1. Kenn Gordon

      A troll I am not sire and if you go back far enough on these threads wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy backkkkkkkkkkkkk to the start of ATOS you will see the problems that my family endured at the hands of the DWP and their lackies. I was just pointing out the one thing which is that to record ANYONES conversation and or video it THEORETICALLY you are required to get their permission. And yeas I know the DWP do it and I also took them to task and asked for copies of the Video of me entering and waiting in the Medical Assessment Centre at the back of the DWP offices here in Boston. Strangely they “Lost” the video of that day and my case against them was upheld. But now it is the turn of my wife, who suffer from a rare genetic motor neuron type condition Spino Cerebellar Ataxia SCA Type 13. So rare Most Doctors have never even heard of it. (But that did not stop Maximus/Capita) from making sweeping and incorrect comments about it, like “And when do you expect this condition to get netter” or “When do you expect to return to work” or “is there any medication that make this condition better”) It is as not only our GP/Specialist/Physiotherapist/Speach and swallowing Nurse/Ataxia Nurse/Occupational Therapist say IT IS A PROGRESSIVE AND DEGENERATIVE CONDITION WITH NO CURE OR TREATMENT that will stop its progress. My wife worked her whole life with this condition but now forced into a wheelchair and needing help for every daily task she can no longer work. So I do know all about the DWP and their outsourced services. I am sorry if you mistook my comments of warning as a troll looking for a knee-jerk reaction. Best Wishes. Kenn Gordon B.mus

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      1. Shadow

        Ken,

        Firstly I wish to apologize for not recognizing your handle. I’m sorry for that.

        But you of all people should know, that we have to do anything in our power to defeat these bastards, no matter how we do it. It is the only way we have of getting the truth out in most cases, by covertly recording our WCA’s as it has been known for these machines to not work.

        The now and before Government have employed a company who are renowned around the world for their deceit and corruption, as did ATOS. In falsifying medical reports and giving the DWP false information to feed their fat wallets for profit and gain.

        Covertly recording has had a huge impact on these bogus companies in defeating them at tribunal and getting the truth out. If I had another go I would attempt to secretly video the assessment too. Just to show how much they lie again when presenting false facts to the DWP.

        IE:-

        Claimant raised hands above head. Claimant lifted and carried a chair 3 metres. Claimant walked normally. Claimant sat with out any movement. You get my drift Ken. I could go on but then maybe not.

        I feel for you and your wife. I truly do. But. We have to fight them with anything we can to show how they cheat people like you and I, and I would do it again. Even if that means I’m braking the LAW.

        I have no pity for these NURSES WHATS SO EVER. They deserve to be imprisoned for the lies they tell and the SLANDER they make on not just myself, but the countless others who face this barbaric treatment of an excuse to remove benefits.

        SHADOW.

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        1. Kenn Gordon

          No worries on not remembering me I only pop up when I need to lol I actually used a Covert device inside a DWP Medical Assesment Centre the first time I had trouble with them and atos, And had the DWP managed to find and edit their own Video from that day years ago and I would have taken them to court with my totally UNEDITED version, I had stumble onto the wordpress pages back then and read all the negative stuff that was going on with the DWP & ATOS (But was still mindful of publishing covert video showing (as it would do Other people in the waiting area at the DWP Medical assessment centre) By all means though in the comfort of your own home you can have video. I personally have 8 Cameras in my own home one of which is in the lounge (they are there for security as we had previously employed a person to help us look after our home while me and the wife were both laid up sick. That person decided to rob us over a period of 6 weeks of £25k worth of jewelry built up over a period of some 35 years. as we could not say we saw that person stealing our stuff the police could not charge her, so after that I installed a Full CCTV system 8 cams and a HD recorder + I pay for a internet based Video Storage via internet all for £200 and a Safe ) That said a mobile phone will do propped up in the corner of the room or a single Camera. But back to the original point I made if you are in the DWP Building you can NOT video Public areas under the Data Protection act and I am sure that the DWOPO would use that to their favour. If you do take video only do it in the consultation room. BUT while in the waiting area be aware they are watching your every move If you walk nimbly over to the LOWER than normal seating and then stand up and walk over to the magazine rack and then back to your seat. You will have shown that you are able to easily get up and down from the seating position and to walk 10m to the magazine rack and 10m back!!!!!! eg 20m the NEW cut of point for Motability. So lads and lasses take care because BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING you as I am sure they are reading this.

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      2. jeffrey davies

        you do not need permission to record your wca a judge has said so but they just dont want you to has it can show up their lies just record without telling em

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  113. Anish

    Thanks stilloaks for your input. I see what you mean by mum not being well closer to the time😜😜.
    Also, just as last time i will insist on recording the interview and ask to obtain more information regarding the “specialist”
    I will give it till the 22nd and than start the correspondence.

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  114. OK kiddies Here I am back once more. it took me a bit of time to find BUT here is EVERYTHING you need to know about the Maximus WCA
    This is their OWN Handbook. of the way they have to try and twist things to make sick folks capable of work (in their Eyes) However with the info that is contained in this link (and it is a LOT to read)

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/535065/wca-handbook-july-2016.pdf

    DO READ ALL OF IT and yes it is like a book 255 pages. It even tells them how to spy on you when you are in the waiting room, to deliberately get you to complete tasks that MAY seem innocuous to you but in fact there are performing a DIFFERENT task
    I promise you it is an eye opener
    Best wishes
    Kenn Gordon B.mus (notice I am happy to use my real name)

    let me know what you all think, once you have read it

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        1. well as you know to to us it is not a game
          BUT everything in life has rules to be played by
          and as you say KNOWING the rules Helps a LOT!!!!
          I particularly like the one where they are actually supposed to have read our notes and familiarised themself’s with the Condition that they are evaluating.
          Which is quite amazing as in my wife’s case (her condition is progressive and degenerative with no known cure) All the time the Maximus NURSE kept asking “When my wife expected her condition to improve?” and “When would she be fit to return to work?” I kept telling her “the clue is in PROGRESSIVE and DEGENERATIVE . So we will see soon what a A& E nurse knows about a condition that affects 3 families in the world (Bugger All I should think going on her more than stupid questions, taken no doubt from her preset questions on her laptop)

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  115. Richard Tedeschi

    More than a rant an ascertainment on how one has to feel sorry for the ignorance in some type of humanity… the ones that live to amass huge amounts of wealth at the cost of others by oppressing and enslaving them with dictatorship, lies, wars etc, I’m talking about politicians and the millionaires and billionaires they work for (banks, corporations/private enterprises) and the people they delegate to do this work for them Atos, Maximus, DWP, Job Centre etc…

    So the first time I go to the job centre forced off from ESA by Maximus the advisor there shakes her head rambling in disbelief various times and recurrently when I tell her the amount of time I have been off work sick while she knows nothing of what I went through with sickness, hospitals and various surgeries, I almost asked her if it is a crime to be off sick and if there is a time limit to be off sick but I kept quiet.

    Another Job Centre appointment with the same advisor and she tells me it is good for me to go on a discover yourself course as it will keep me busy and give me something to do assuming I have nothing to do all day… while actually I have to squeeze going to this course between many other things I’m doing at the moment, to which I agree going to (I have already been on the WRAG work related activity group before).

    So the woman sounds like a brainless robot who is told what to say to claimants, I have never replied to any of these things this woman told me, she has no idea how busy I have been and I am getting rid of my father’s lifetime hoard (five garages and a huge house full), applying for jobs, doing house chores and shopping, enjoying my free time and hobbies like anyone else… I like Land Rovers and have one Land Rover Defender and play music, have a wife a mother and a life…

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    1. Linda

      They can be so patronising at times, I think they believe the rhetoric of all the channel 5 benefit programmes, that if they don’t fill our days with meaningless tasks or offer us up as free labour to businesses, we will sit around smoking and drinking cans of lager, whilst watching Jeremy Kyle on our widescreen tv.

      Like yourself, I have a busy life. Going to the Jobcentre is a necessary evil and a waste of time, and prevents me from doing more worthwhile pursuits, such as caring for my daughter and helping to look after my grandson.

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  116. I like watching Jeremy Kyle on my 70″ wide screen tv. nothing wrong with watching that.. just dont understand why folks would go on that or on the channel 5 “Life on the dole”
    Just because I have the finer things in life (paid for when both myself and my wife were working several jobs Before our conditions FORCED us to hang up our work boots) doe not mean I am a scrounger. ……It just means that I worked hard and put money into my home

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  117. im still laughing Jeremy kyle but each to their own well dont set me off on one my 49inch tv care of rtu ids ouch but we now unum lead through tony blair to this treatment we receive off those who should now better but fight we must has giving in means they win each helping another along this path jeff3

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  118. Richard Tedeschi

    Well… from my experience seeing and reading/learning what governments and most politicians of the world have been up to for the past centuries I know I better not believe anything them and people working for them say…

    Demonising poor, sick and disabled people and accusing them of everything bad THEY (Governments, politicians, millionaires and billionaire) are is just one of the many ways they use to put us people against one another and divide us, as poor, desperate and ignorant people and countries are easier to control…

    There is no right or left, just top and bottom, top being the parasitic mafia called government and the people they work for and bottom it is citizens who are being used/forced to feed the parasitic lifestyles of the above mentioned, truly the scum and ruin of the planet…

    The only ones I have faith in are people and good intentions as we are the ones with a true interest in making it better for everyone and ourselves.

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  119. Anish

    Update:
    Hi guys,
    Got my mum’s assesment appointment reschedule for 18th of next month.
    This time they have confirmed recording equipment will be available for the interview.

    Given my mum’s age (62 years and 6 months) and her medical condition; artharities, diabities, blood pressure, sleeping disorder etc, what is the liklyhood of her being put on care group guys?

    Many thanks

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    1. Hi Anish. I have to be honest and say there is no rhyme nor reason to their decisions and cold, hard facts seem to play no part either. It would seem logical and obvious, given the problems that your Mum has, to put your Mum in the support group.
      But the thing is from the stories I have read, neither seems to play any part.
      I have hope however that should your Mum be awarded anything else you would have a darn good chance on appeal.
      As always, best wishes to you and your Mum.

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  120. tom warner

    Maximus are no different to ATOS, apart from arranging F2F farces within the 13week target Did anyone really expect they would be,? They still will lie even when your F2F farce is audio recorded, they claim to examine you ,when they don’t & always will say that from their findings your conditions wouldn’t stop you from working these typically are less qualified than your GP or the consultant/specialist you may have already been referred to
    The sole purpose of the WCA is to deny ESA to the masses, only a very small proportion are awarded ESA by them, because if no one was awarded ESA from the WCA it would be too obvious,
    DWP decision makers are no different ,when the MR process was introduced quite a high percentage of people found fit for work had the decision overturned , more recently the figure is around 10% so is no more than a tick box exercise

    Even the tribunal service isn’t 100% independent from the DWP’s bias, some of their medically trained panel members are out of touch with current NHS workings, such as referrals from the GP, And some have their own agenda’s , the WCA should be scrapped

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        1. For example, it may become entirely legitimate for the DWP to tell a claimant who has received no award of PIP that, if they will accept standard rate daily living, the DWP will make an award. But if they continue to argue for enhanced rate the DWP will force them to appeal and do their best to ensure that no award at all is made.

          This sort of thing already goes on, but to make it a legitimate method of settling disputes will mean it happens a great deal more often.
          *
          Appealing for fairness is at the moment bad enough, after this new system takes over we can forget any kind of fairness from the already bent DWP and bent appeals system.

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          1. Useful PIP resource here…

            Choose from the options above for details of regulations and case law relating to personal independence payment. You can search by activity, issue or health condition to find out more about the legal framework and how the Upper Tribunal has interpreted the law.

            We hope that pipinfo will help advisers in assisting people to make a new claim for personal independence payment, and in challenging decisions to refuse, or award a lower rate of, the benefit.
            http://www.pipinfo.net/

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  121. First assessed march 2012 0 points
    tribunal 11 months later 15 points
    ESA wrag reduced to £21 in march 2013 through means testing
    a £60 ill health pension and my wifes DLA reduced it
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    Attended maximus last friday
    had to re-arange twice as they kept trying to send me to leeds 25 miles away rather than keighley 7 miles appointment time 1.30pm
    set off at 11.15 am walk bus walk
    an hour to get there ( already buggered from bus and walking ) 1.15 pm
    signed in reminded them i had asked to be recorded
    surprise surprise not down as being requested
    1.35 took 20 minutes to tell me they had a recorder it was in a drawer but she didnt think it was charged ?
    1.50 returned and said if i wanted to wait 45 minutes they would then see if it was usable

    declined their kind offer Why would i want to wait another 45 minutes and then probably be told it wouldnt be recorded
    if it worked would mean i wouldnt get home till approx 5.30
    got home 3.10 pm
    as it was i am still recovering from my day out knocked the stuffing out of me

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  122. jeffrey davies

    thats the way leslie refuse but one must ask for the travel allowance form firstly when booking in has they can state a no show another trick yet recording is a must with these devils

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  123. jeffrey davies

    yes we pay but then getting it back doesnt allow them to get away with it so speak but atleast they paying something notalot but just like you i got 31 pounds of which 1pound was for my morgage oh dear lasted quite a qhile but eventually you get whots yours if you kick that door long enough but why why why must evryone go through this hmmm iv come to that decision that they culling the stock through benefit denial

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  124. workhorse1

    Hi Guys ** UPDATE ***

    After nearly 13 weeks I have finally had the decision from my f2f wca interview.I have been left in the support group for the next 18 mths . When my son questioned why it took so long to give me a decision ( we rang them ) they said they had notified me by post weeks ago I’m assuming it was sent by carrier pidgeon as i have received zilch. A 2nd decision letter is apparently on its way. Thanks for all your help guys its really appreciated.

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    1. Hi Les as with all things ESA related the answer is more complex than that, it is to do with descriptors that are applied and used to decide whether you will be awarded support group or work related activity group…

      “Qualifying for the support group of employment and support allowance (ESA)is not about scoring points. Instead, if the decision maker accepts that any of the following descriptors apply to you, then you will be placed in the support group.”

      READ MORE.
      https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/employment-and-support-allowance/esa-glossary/1353-support-group-descriptors

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      1. Les

        hI stilloaks

        Am aware of the guidelines

        but the question still stands
        ————-
        has anyone ever got into the support group when awarded 15 points ( total on more than one descriptor ) ???

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          1. jeffrey davies

            we know they try all ways to keep you out of the sg rather putting you instead into wrag part were they can hussale you but also know people with 27 points never getting into the sg if you merit 2or 3 desciptors then they would have to place you into sg but then who decides the decision the decision maker who is never qualified to but get 15 then they will place you into the wrag

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  125. Anish

    Hi all
    I came across WASPI, women against state pension inequality, a few days ago while doing some research on the net.
    It’s basically a campaign group against the rise of woman pension age.
    Earlier this year their online petition was considerd and ruthlessly dissmissed by the pension minister. Since than their campaign has gathered real pace and they have been making a lot of noise lately. They have also managed to gain support from SNP, MPs around the country, some of them tory, and local councils.
    They are going to hand over paper petition on the 11th of this month.

    I am particularly interested in their campaign as my mother was born in 1954.

    What do you guys think? Do you think government will reconsider the matter, and even if they do will waspi have any thing to cheer about?

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    1. Linda

      I don’t think they will reconsider changing the retirement age for women now, as they would have to lower the mens age in the interests of equality. Also, they would have to reimburse all the women over 60, who should be retired, and pay back the benefits they owe them.

      There was talk of them allowing people to retire earlier with a reduced state pension, but I think that’s all it was, talk.

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    2. Hi Anish, hope you and your Mum are well.
      Just my opinion but I sincerely doubt if the never elected Government will reconsider the pension age rise for women. Pensions from their long term “Fiscal” point of view are unsustainable. In the short term they are seeking to reduce those who qualify for a pension, (age restriction) in order to kick the pension pot a little further down the road. In the longer term, there will be no state pension and millions of worthless private pensions, (the shortly to be realised economic collapse will destroy private pension funds)
      I admire WASPI for their hard work and continued fight and sincerely hope that I am wrong and the Government will backtrack. We live in hope.

      Worthwhile article here on the state pension…
      https://www.lovemoney.com/news/39001/why-the-state-pension-is-unsustainable

      Another article here on the private pension funds unsustainable worth…
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/07/12/british-pensions-are-now-383bn-underwater-as-liabilities-hit-rec/

      Take care and be well.

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  126. jeffrey davies

    hmm pension funny thing we pay into they our gov rob it but the peasants have and always had the right to retire at 60 65 has they tell us many live longer but so do many of us never make that grand old age i have many many friends through life who never made it to that age yet some who are lucky enought to get to live a few yrs more but notalot more has they grafted all their lifes die yet they robbed us when there is monies just that they prefer it to go elsewere yes we didnt loss bugger all it was they who had shares and monies in the banks who lost out yet we get to pay it back the monies they lost austerity was only for the peasants to take no monies atos serco crapita a4e g4s maximus and many more have our monies

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  127. Anish

    ****update****

    Had mum’s assesment this morning.

    I may have scored an owngoal on this occasion.
    It was confirmed on the phone that mum’s interviewd will be recorded so i thought it would be bit rude to ask the receptionist again if it would be recorded so i didn’t.

    10 minutes to the interview i didn’t notice any recording equipment on the desk so i asked the doctor and was told she didn’t know anything about it and if we want it recorded we have to rearrange the appointment, i think my mum was getting a bit fedup by then so carried on with the interview.

    Well, better get ready for the appeal proccess.

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  128. jeffrey davies

    oh dear did you atleast use a phone or recorder to record it privately also start the sar process asking for all they used one should phone before leaving asking them is it there has they do catch alot like this dispicable

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  129. Linda

    You could also write a letter of complaint saying that you had requested a recording but they hadn’t complied with your wishes, but to be honest, they would probably say that the onus was on you to check before the assessment.

    All you can do is as Jeff says, send a subject access request to DWP asking for all the paper work, this will help you pick out all the lies should you need to appeal the decision.

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  130. Shadow

    Letter arrived today. Appeal date set for next month. Two weeks time.

    Letter with more evidence the courts requested also included which I am going over now.

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  131. Shadow

    Forth attempt to post…

    Oh dear oh dear Anish

    I really do hope well for you mum. But this is why we inform people like you and others about how important it is to RECORD. This isn’t a day out to the beach but the government’s medical assessment to find anyone FTW. Even your mum.

    The use of the recording is to cover people like mum when the HCP’s Report hits the DWP full of inconsistencies and the lies they write.

    I sincerely wish this is not the case for your Mother and that the truth will unfold. You have no proof of what was stated at the assessment if the shit hits the fan so to speak.

    GOOD LUCK.

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  132. jeffrey davies

    DWP for an ESA50 and any other … ESA50, ESA85, LT54 and ESA113 in The SAR they could also request “all” documentation used in coming to the decision.

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      1. Shadow

        Thanks for getting back to me Zoro. My first two posts this morning went through. So my thoughts turned to paranoia thinking the gremlins ‘DWP’ are out to get me 😉

        Strange that some posts are put in the spam box indeed. You wold expect that to happen if the swear box was full and needed emptying lol

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  133. DONT FORGET to as for a COPY of the medical report that Maximus prepare for the DWP
    you can do that by contacting the DWP even before a decision is made about your PIP/DLA request
    Best Wishes to all
    Kenn Gordon B.mus

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  134. Anish

    Mistake been made☹️️☹️️☹️️☹️️If anything, walking out of the interview would have delayed things by 4/6 weeks.

    This is the 4th time i have taken mum to dwp assessment in last 5 years. Today’s interview has been the longest one. A hell of a lot of questions were asked. I was even allowed to change my car parking spot in the middle of the interview as all the parking space have no return within one hour policy.

    Surprisingly enough, today’s interview was actually carried out by a doctor.

    In the end when i was asked if we had any question for her, i asked her if she was represnting atos or maximus? She rather reluctantly said maximus. I told her having had 3 previous assesment with atos we had no faith in atos anymore.

    Don’t know what point we will get this time.

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  135. I have read some reports from Doctors who actually work for Maximus and they are actually starting to rebel against their (Maximus) guidelines on medicals
    They are now starting to actually READ the medical reports from specialists and are no longer arbitrarily toeing the Maximus line.
    It is a dangerous move for a Doctor to try and trump a senior specialist. as if they do so it can actually stall any career that a Doctor may have. They could face disciplinary action by the GMC by even questioning a senior specialist Doctors recommendation as to the fitness of a patient to work. A bit like a corporal telling a major how to fight a battle!!!

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  136. jeffrey davies

    hmm i hope so but the complaints the gmc has had must be huge but the monies are to temping for many they bring in outside doctors to overstep this but perhaps some are getting that we do no harm but realise they do

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  137. Rules
    ———-
    revised WC handbook Med – ESAAR2011/2012HB-001
    5 TH JUNE 2016
    ” THE H C P’S HAVE TO ENSURE THEY ARE FULLY FAMILIAR WITH ALL CONDITIONS A CLAIMANT HAS INDICATED ON AN ESA 50 OR IN HE AVAILABLE EVIDENCE
    ( SUCH AS MED3 113 PREVIOUS ESA85/ IB 85 REPORTS )
    BEFORE COMMENCING FILE-WORK ACTIVITY OR A FACE TO FACE ASSESSMENT
    ————————————————————————————————————–
    HAD MY ESA ASSESSMENT ON FRIDAY
    ASKED HER AT THE BEGINNING WHAT SHE UNDERSTOOD MY CONDITIONS TO BE
    ” ARTHRITIC KNEES ” CORRECT
    ” BAD BACK ” EXTREMELY VAGUE
    ” SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR HIP ” EXTREMELY VAGUE

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    Scheuermanns disease Fused spine at all levels of the lumbar spine along with plate damage all levels
    “Perthes disease severe femoral osteonocrosis
    all this was not only on my esa50 but had provided separate diagnostic evidence
    as it was being recorded i insisted on reading it out for her
    ——————
    several diagnosed muskoskeletal debilitating degenerative progressive disorders
    asessed by a nurse

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  138. jeffrey davies

    i hope you had their badge number and name ready to look up their qualifications you bet notalot of these very highly trained hcp yet read all the dwp has left them alone for in their quest to find one ffw yet now it seems they telling em to read your notes then ignore this has they are very highly trained assassins working at the dwp but you now the routine sar all lets hope they do at last take notice of your medical notes

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  139. Mr M

    I’ve just come across this page and I’m glad I did. I claimed ESA in 2013 and had an assessment with atos, scored 0 points and found fit for work. After a long appeal I won my tribunal in 2013 and was awarded 27 points and placed in the support group under regulation 35.
    April this year I completed a new ESA50 which was sent to me, I was told to go for the face to face assessment with maximus which I did last month.
    Today I’ve finally managed to get a copy of the medical report and I feel so lost and hopeless. It’s full of lies and untrue facts and I’m shocked as it was a audio recorded assessment too. I don’t know what to do 😦 there are many things that the assessor did not ask me which o had written in my ESA50.
    Should he of asked me? The coping with change section is a big part of my life as I’m unable to cope with any changes without becoming distressed. On the report it just said none of the above reply. He never asked me anything about it either.

    Thankfully I had my wife with me for support. I know the decision maker will say fit for work as the report is almost the same as the first medical with ATOS. It’s so unfair 😦 I can’t do this all over again I really can’t.
    Has anyone ever had a positive award after such a poor medical report?
    I know the decision maker will completely ignore what I have in my esa50 and side with the assasssment report.

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    1. Hi Mr M.

      There’s no easy or painless way to tell you this, but it’s all a cruel con.
      The whole idea is to deliberately fail you and sicken you and break your spirit so that you give up.

      But you mustn’t do that, you must fight for your rights, you must appeal, and win again.

      Ask anyone on here, the majority of us have been deliberately found fit for work, and all of us have fought back and won.

      I’ve had five assessments in a row, and subsequently five tribunals, yes five, going all the way back to 2009.

      I just wouldn’t let the filthy criminal bastards get the satisfaction of getting me onto job seekers allowance.

      The best way to get them of your back eventually is to fight back, not cave in.

      Giving up shows them you are weak and vulnerable, and when these bullies see that they never leave you alone, best to fight now, and save yourself a lot of hassle in the future.

      I haven’t been assessed for three years, I suppose they see me as incorrigible and therefore a lost cause.

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  140. I can tell you ATOS miraculously cured me of all ailments and scored me zero point and on appeal I scorded 32 points. I had my Maximus medical (at home) and the woman doing it said that she had all my specialist reports from Heart/neological/Gastro and Musco skeletal consultants along with my FULL gp medical records and I was told that “she did not even know why they bothered sending her out to conduct a medical” I was awarded Highest rate PIP so sometimes it works I had previously obtained the first and (then amended) second ATOS reports. I also requested the Maximus report (which had NO tape recording of questions).That said they are no longer LIFETIME Awards just 4 years so who knows what the next DWP contract will bring???????

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      1. jeffrey davies

        sorry kg couldnt resist that above atos at their best yet pip we now know they award 2 3 4 5 10 yrs awards and yet another one strangely iv asked around the welfare officers and they can only say it looks like life a life time award bugger brain has lost the words they used for this but something along these lines claim left open now whot you might say is that meaning but it may be their only way of saying it lifetime we see

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        1. I have already called it the “Lazerus Effect” in my original appeal. I heard something yesterday that they are going to return to the Lifelong awards (they say in fairness) but I would guess it is more likely because they cant clear the backlog of medicals.

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  141. jeffrey davies

    mr m sais It’s full of lies and untrue facts and I’m shocked as it was a audio recorded assessment too. I don’t know what to do😦 there are many things that the assessor did not ask me which o had written in my ESA50.
    yet its not the end of the world fight back dud you or i should say look at the medical report whose the highly trained hcp who done this fictional report first look them up on their nurses union site then report her to the poverty pimp company who done this wca then go after her through her union or him get your mp envolved kick up a stink about it but never give in first you have to ask for that mandatory decision before one gets to appeal but also sar all they used has youl need these to fight back just keep posting asking questions some body answer and you lead you to the right answer but dont give in has jb states its one big game learn to play it jeff3

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  142. Shadow

    My ASSASSINATION began with MAXIMUS not using an updated ESA50 but instead used an outdated version sent three years previously to ATOS. Even though I was promised by them that they would allow me time to complete an updated form and the old one would be disregarded.

    From the first sentence in the HCP’s MEDICAL REPORT the lies began to flow. Even though it was a recorded session, the lies still stood even after requesting a M.R. The medical notes I brought with me were disregarded and the HCP over rid them and used his own assumptions in his report. Failed me in not declaring the true facts by adding his own spiel on my symptoms and rubbishing the consultants and physiotherapy medical notes. So many inconsistencies & lies were made by this HCP NURSE Mr RAYMOND MCBRIAN. (NAMED & SHAMED)

    My Appeal is set for two weeks time. So we shall see what happens with their decision on whether I am FTW or not.

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  143. Linda

    Would you remove a person’s income because they were wearing Wellies when they met you?

    Yes, wearing Wellington boots is just one of the reasons Atos/Capita assessors have denied Employment and Support Allowance to benefit claimants at work capability assessments.

    Mike Sivier is asking people to help him compile a list of ridiculous reasons for being declined for esa, if anyone wants to give him examples complete his questionnaire.

    http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/10/26/would-you-remove-a-persons-income-because-they-were-wearing-wellies-when-they-met-you/

    These are some examples.

    “Owns a fish.”
    “Has dyed hair.”
    “Did a course 20 years ago.”
    “Opened a door.”
    “Had a handbag.”
    “Wiped their eye.”
    “Has nails varnished.”
    “Had tanned skin” (regardless of nationality).
    “Had a haircut/was shaven.”
    “Lies outside to eat lunch.”
    “Smiled.”
    “Scratched their back.”
    “Was a smoker without yellowed fingers.”
    “No visible bulge from an incontinence pad.”
    “Has an outdoor toilet.”
    “Wiped nose.”
    “Can use a phone.”
    “Can use a bus.”
    “Remembered to bring medical evidence.”
    “Handed over medical evidence.”
    “Held eye contact.”
    “Did not hold eye contact.”
    “Drank some water.”

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  144. Possible other reasons may also include
    1: Were Breathing
    2:: Had trouble breathing but were still alive
    3: Had not worn prosthetic limbs (was a real reason)
    4: wore Prosthetic limbs (was also a real reason for a war vet with no legs)
    5: Well Groomed appearance and smartly dressed (was used in my case) (I am ex military and have always taken pride in my appearance when attending meetings or official functions (my wife helps to do my buttons up as I cant mange to do that due to arthritis, she also Irons my clothes for me. I chose to buy quality clothing (albeit in the sales))
    6: Walked with a stick
    7: wore hearing aids
    8:stumbled over answers ( at the time of my medical I was on Co-Codomol, Diazapam, Amotiptoline, Gabapentin & Morphine!!!! Hell I did not know what day of the week it was let alone why I was there)
    9: Failed to attend due to hospital appointment (I was too busy the first time having a heart attack)
    I am sure that we will find several more including the first two that I was only joking about

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  145. Recieved my fortnightly £42.98 EESA last week
    —————————
    strangely recieved another payment of £87.81 today
    ———————
    had another asessment approx 2 weeks ago
    Any thoughts ?

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      1. Linda

        It’s hard to say Leslie, without you having received an award letter. You could ring them, if you feel well enough. It sounds promising though, hopefully you have been placed in support group.

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  146. Leslie

    Hi All
    recieved a brown envelope this afternoon
    actually cried like a baby when i read the first couple of lines
    ——
    we looked at your claim following recent changes ( total lie )
    you have moved from wrag to support ( where i should have been 2012 )
    —————–
    Hope they have used the £18,900 they unfairly removed wisely

    many thanks Les
    dont let the basterds grind you down

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    1. Leslie

      strangly
      the last page detailing how payments are worked out finishes with
      ———–
      the amounts on this page apply from the 14 oct 2016 to the 1 december 2016

      ????????????????????????????????????????

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  147. Linda

    So pleased for you Leslie, you finally got the award you are entitled to. The December date could be something as simple as your £10 christmas bonus changing the amount of the payment.

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  148. In the old days you got back payment to the original date of the claim now you only get paid from the date that they awarded the claim from we lost out to almost £20,000 over a 6 year period
    But god help you if you get an overpayment from them they want it back immediately or they put it in the hands of a debt collection agency. They never say sorry for their mistakes but if you make a mistake over a date for a appointment with them they just stop your money. without a second thought. We all know its a one way system whereby they think that all of us with disabilities just dont want to work or we are swinging the lead.
    yet they close the Remploy Factories where a lot of us used to work
    My wife has been of sick for almost 2 years her employer finally put in a wheelchair accessible til station. But have done NOTHING about the access to the changing area or the doors or the disabled toilet. (yet they were given a grant by the access to work funding)
    How about going after employers with the same gusto as they go after us disabled people

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    1. les

      POSTMAN JUST BEEN
      brought down to earth with a bump until i opened the mail i was £88 pw better off than ide been since march 2013
      ————-
      bradford council rent and council tax change due to change in status
      £15 council tax and £40 rent £55 ———- so i am now £33 better off
      —————-
      dont let em get to you

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        1. Shadow

          Go you… Happy for you Les. 🙂

          Not forgetting all the back pay you may get, the council want their share too.

          Bastards. & not a clerical fault either. But looking into the deep side of things. It is a clerical fault. DWP should pay it as you are not at fault here.

          I had to pay back the council an amount I was awarded once my back pay was reinstated.

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          1. Hi Shadow

            no backpay
            was assessed in 2012 scored 0 dwp mandatory rubber stamped that
            tribunal awarded 15 points 9 had no support of any kind ) put into WRAG 321 pw
            this was my second assessment (exactly same medical evidence ) just knew how to handle it better

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  149. Anish

    Hi all
    Good to hear Steven Nolan disscussing the dwp’s mistreatment of people on esa last night on bbc 5live show.
    It was very distressing to hear some of the horror stories from people phoning in.

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  150. Anidh

    Hi guys,
    It’s exactly been 2 weeks mum had the assessment. Still waiting for the ‘0 point letter in a brown envelope ‘

    On all previous occasions we had the letter pretty much with in the few days of the assessment, this time they seem to be taking their time.

    So what is the shortest and longest ppl here had to wait for their brown envelope letter?

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    1. jeffrey davies

      how longs a piece of string but it depends were one lives here in neath it can take 8wks or more even further it depends on their backlogs but one hopes you had it recorded but nows the time sar all they used they have 40 days to reply to this

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  151. Shadow

    Today was the day of my appeal & to be quite honest I was shiting myself on going.

    All that has changed. I do not need to turn up for the hearing. CAB phoned me to inform me that the judge has read the reports and has found in my favour & have placed in the SUPPORT GROUP.

    My fight is over and I have won. I am ecstatic and would love to buy each and everyone a drink in celebration.

    With the help and support I have had from you all I thank each any every individual person here, One person especially. Zoro. Thank you for being here. You are an amazing person as are many other people that come to this site.

    It was a long hard fight but now I can say it’s over.

    I should receive notification withing the next week or so. I will forever be in your debt Z Thank you again.

    HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN. 😀

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    1. Marco

      Excellent News Shadow , just goes to show never give up ,you should get all your back pay too, as I did ! I have another fight on my hands now, with P.I.P , From D/L/A , just filled out the form with C.A.B , And sent in last Thursday ,so probably have to have another face assessment now for that !, only had my face one for e.s.a last ( October 2015 ) when they put me in Support Group from wrag ! they do make us jump through hoop’s don’t they ?

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